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0:00:01 > 0:00:04Now on BBC News, Tuesday in Parliament.

0:00:24 > 0:00:30Welcome to Tuesday in Parliament as MPs get down to their line by line

0:00:30 > 0:00:38scrutiny of the bill putting EU law into the statutory regulations.It

0:00:38 > 0:00:43is about one main question and it is democracy.I asked the government to

0:00:43 > 0:00:49reconsider silly amendments thrown out because they have a good article

0:00:49 > 0:00:55in the Daily Telegraph.Also calls for more to be done to tackle tax

0:00:55 > 0:00:58avoidance and questions for the government over whether Islamic

0:00:58 > 0:01:07State extremists were allowed to free the city of Raqqa.On this

0:01:07 > 0:01:13release of fighters, our ability to hold these criminals to account.It

0:01:13 > 0:01:18was time for MPs to finally get down to the detailed scrutiny of the bill

0:01:18 > 0:01:25putting EU law into UK law to avoid a legislative Black hole come

0:01:25 > 0:01:35Brexit. The bill is being scrutinised in committee, line by

0:01:35 > 0:01:41line, by all MPs. It is a mammoth piece of legislation running 260

0:01:41 > 0:01:51pages, add another 200 pages of amendments propose. So start

0:01:51 > 0:01:57reluctant Brexiteer Frank Field proposed the build should propose a

0:01:57 > 0:02:04date of except of March three, 2019. The Brexit secretary wants to build

0:02:04 > 0:02:13two feet except date on 11pm March 29 2019.While the government is

0:02:13 > 0:02:17introducing its own timetable, set by the European bureaucrats whoever

0:02:17 > 0:02:24they are, I think we should actually make a decision today it and leave

0:02:24 > 0:02:31on our terms and on our time. I have never bought a house without having

0:02:31 > 0:02:38in the contract that date when it is mine, when I can actually get in.I

0:02:38 > 0:02:43think is an allergy about buying a house falls down at its first

0:02:43 > 0:02:48hurdle. Nobody commits to buying a house before knowing what they are

0:02:48 > 0:02:56buying. It is possible that negotiations may go to the 59th

0:02:56 > 0:03:03minute of the 11th hour. In those circumstances, does it really make

0:03:03 > 0:03:08sense to bind the hands of the country, of those who are

0:03:08 > 0:03:11negotiating on the heart of the country to get the best possible

0:03:11 > 0:03:16deal we can get, which is also the weakness of the government 's

0:03:16 > 0:03:22amendment.This argument falls when you look at Article 50 itself. It

0:03:22 > 0:03:27was very specific for a very simple reason and that is, in that time

0:03:27 > 0:03:32scale it is therefore determined on those negotiating to reach an

0:03:32 > 0:03:35agreement or agreed not to reach an agreement. Just changing that

0:03:35 > 0:03:40timescale does not allow you to reach an agreement. That is the

0:03:40 > 0:03:46whole point of compression, to get an agreement.We recognise the

0:03:46 > 0:03:52importance of being crystal clear on the setting of except date and the

0:03:52 > 0:03:57government is keen to provide the certainty that people are seeking.

0:03:57 > 0:04:01In light of these, three at one amendment has been brought forward

0:04:01 > 0:04:12with amendments three 100 and 82 11pm 29th of March 2019. Of course,

0:04:12 > 0:04:18this is slightly different to the amendment of the honourable member

0:04:18 > 0:04:23in that it also sets a time. Under Article 50 there is a date but also

0:04:23 > 0:04:29it has in itself provisions for the possible extension of the period if

0:04:29 > 0:04:34that is what is actually needed to conclude an agreement and that is

0:04:34 > 0:04:39what I have to say, this amendment by the government is is a very

0:04:39 > 0:04:46strange because it seems to me to add nothing to the strength of the

0:04:46 > 0:04:49government negotiating position and, in fact potentially create a very

0:04:49 > 0:04:55great problem that could be brought back to visit us at a later stage.

0:04:55 > 0:04:58The government has had months to repair this deeply flawed deals.

0:04:58 > 0:05:05Environmental protection, and limiting the scope of delegated

0:05:05 > 0:05:12powers etc, but instead, they have chosen to come to this house with

0:05:12 > 0:05:17the gimmick on the departure date, a gimmick that is about the Prime

0:05:17 > 0:05:22Minister negotiating with her party rather than trying to get a Brexit

0:05:22 > 0:05:26deal that prioritises job, the economy and the livelihood of our

0:05:26 > 0:05:31people.The majority wanted to leave the European Union. It settled

0:05:31 > 0:05:39nothing else. Nobody expected lead to win, including the Leave campaign

0:05:39 > 0:05:47as LAUGHTER he would have taken no notice of the referendum had they

0:05:47 > 0:05:51notice, nobody actually paid any attention to what leaving actually

0:05:51 > 0:05:57meant. There are some very, very serious issues to be settled in this

0:05:57 > 0:06:00bill and a half the government to reconsider the silly amendment

0:06:00 > 0:06:04thrown out because they have a good article in the Daily Telegraph which

0:06:04 > 0:06:23actually might do harm. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE..It is an absolute

0:06:23 > 0:06:28privilege to follow the right honourable member and I welcome the

0:06:28 > 0:06:31applause from the Labour Party benches as well...Some of the

0:06:31 > 0:06:38benches.We will seek to find common cause with colleagues from across

0:06:38 > 0:06:44the house. However, we know that what we are trying to achieve, even

0:06:44 > 0:06:49if we achieve common ground, is to make the situation in not better but

0:06:49 > 0:06:53less bad and that is not a situation that any member should ever find

0:06:53 > 0:06:58themselves in when they come to this house. I would urge members to

0:06:58 > 0:07:02reconsider, I would urge the government to press the reset

0:07:02 > 0:07:07clause, there is far more at stake than the future of this government

0:07:07 > 0:07:14all members of this house.These are built, this whole issue is about one

0:07:14 > 0:07:18main question and the word is a democracy. Whether or not we have

0:07:18 > 0:07:23the right to govern ourselves in this sacred House of Commons which

0:07:23 > 0:07:27is the basis on which the people of this country in general elections

0:07:27 > 0:07:33make decisions of their own free choice, whether it is to vote for

0:07:33 > 0:07:38the Labour Party or the Liberal Democrats or the SNP or the

0:07:38 > 0:07:43Conservative Party, and then had to make a decision in this house as to

0:07:43 > 0:07:48how they going to be governed.At the end of that debate, Frank Field

0:07:48 > 0:07:56withdrew his proposal that Brexit should happen on March 30, 2019.

0:07:56 > 0:08:01They will vote on the government 's preferred date later in the process.

0:08:01 > 0:08:06The government should compel British overseas territories and Crown

0:08:06 > 0:08:10dependencies such as Bermuda and the Isle of Man to do away with secret

0:08:10 > 0:08:18tax arrangements. Debate on tax avoidance, Dave Margaret Hodge, she

0:08:18 > 0:08:23said it was one way to ensure rich firms and individuals who fill their

0:08:23 > 0:08:29duty to pay tax in the UK.The culture of powerful corporation and

0:08:29 > 0:08:35the wealthiest in a society, as revealed in the Paradise Papers,

0:08:35 > 0:08:40Constitution and national and international disgrace. --

0:08:40 > 0:08:46constitutes. It is not just a trivial or return practised by a

0:08:46 > 0:08:51small number of greedy individuals and co-operation but a widely

0:08:51 > 0:08:55accepted behaviour of too many of those who were rich and influential.

0:08:55 > 0:09:03There is no such thing as a magic money tree the Prime Minister told a

0:09:03 > 0:09:12nurse who had not had an increase in eight years. Do they grow on the

0:09:12 > 0:09:19Cayman Islands, Bermuda and tax dodging to be picked and put into

0:09:19 > 0:09:25our public services, we would not have police services and teachers

0:09:25 > 0:09:31facing the sack.I completely agree with their remarks which are very

0:09:31 > 0:09:36pertinent to what we will be discussing in the debate. An tax is

0:09:36 > 0:09:40an essential part of the social contract into which we all enter as

0:09:40 > 0:09:45members of the community. As members of society we agree to abide by a

0:09:45 > 0:09:50set of rules and regulations that make all our lives better.She said

0:09:50 > 0:09:54several things I agree with, the incident everyone should pay their

0:09:54 > 0:10:00fair share to the tax system and that tax avoidance is something we

0:10:00 > 0:10:06should work together on, yet, she not feel a little ashamed about her

0:10:06 > 0:10:11party's attempts to block steps before the most recent election that

0:10:11 > 0:10:18would have reduced some of the tax avoidance?I am trying not to make

0:10:18 > 0:10:24this overly partisan but I feel more ashamed as a member of a limit at

0:10:24 > 0:10:28her party 's reluctance to adopt a very clear and simple measure that

0:10:28 > 0:10:33could actually tackle tax avoidance. She said transparency would change

0:10:33 > 0:10:38behaviour.We should compel our overseas territories to publish

0:10:38 > 0:10:45public registers in all their territories. In the past, a

0:10:45 > 0:10:49Conservative government has used its powers to outlaw capital punishment

0:10:49 > 0:10:55in our territories and the Labour government used the same powers will

0:10:55 > 0:11:00skim a nation against gay people. Today we should work together to our

0:11:00 > 0:11:04rule of the secrecy of these jurisdictions that leads to such

0:11:04 > 0:11:10massive tax injustices.The minister defended the government's records.

0:11:10 > 0:11:15We have raised £160 billion in additional revenue as a consequence

0:11:15 > 0:11:20of clamping down on tax avoidance, invasion and non-compliant since

0:11:20 > 0:11:322010. We have brought in to point £1 billion tracking down those who

0:11:32 > 0:11:35would soar to inappropriately hide their finances in overseas tax

0:11:35 > 0:11:49jurisdictions. -- 2.8. A further 35 measures will come in from 2015 are

0:11:49 > 0:11:55raising 18.5 billion pounds and one of the problems is we have been so

0:11:55 > 0:12:00active bringing in so many measures that, unfortunately, not all of them

0:12:00 > 0:12:07have been notice.A significant tax return, would it be better if we

0:12:07 > 0:12:15were to invest tax officers and go after the multi- billion-dollar tax

0:12:15 > 0:12:18avoidance?The minister insisted the government was going after the tax

0:12:18 > 0:12:25cuts. You are watching Tuesday in Parliament. Don't forget, you can

0:12:25 > 0:12:30find previous editions of this programme by going to the BBC

0:12:30 > 0:12:42iPlayer.

0:12:42 > 0:12:44committee has been questioning why there is a need for the review of

0:12:44 > 0:12:47there is a need for the review of security capabilities. The

0:12:47 > 0:12:52conservative MP, Johnny Mercer, himself or for me -- former Army

0:12:52 > 0:13:06lieutenant, ask the question.Is it hard to accept and we are so

0:13:06 > 0:13:09appalled a booking at board threats that we have to do the thing again

0:13:09 > 0:13:15two years later.The whole package includes the strategic decision by

0:13:15 > 0:13:22the nation to leave the EU and to change by implication the nature of

0:13:22 > 0:13:26our posture in the world. So that's a very good start to a review

0:13:26 > 0:13:33reconsideration. And the finances associated with that including the

0:13:33 > 0:13:37fundamentals such as the fundamental shift in the pound dollar balance.

0:13:37 > 0:13:42General Sir Richard Barron 's was the head of joint forces command for

0:13:42 > 0:13:46three years.If defence officials were here they could show you pages

0:13:46 > 0:13:50of analysis showing we are in a different climate with Russia and we

0:13:50 > 0:13:54need to worry about North Korea and various tensions in the Middle East

0:13:54 > 0:13:59and they would also begin to describe just in terms of military

0:13:59 > 0:14:02capability, there are reasons to be UK homeland which armed forces can

0:14:02 > 0:14:08deal with.We are very close in the commercial sector to huge advances

0:14:08 > 0:14:15in AI which will change the nature of the human machine performance and

0:14:15 > 0:14:18that will change incredibly quickly without the law being in place for

0:14:18 > 0:14:23military conflict. It's just, I think, I would guess between five

0:14:23 > 0:14:28and ten years and now, which is within the horizon, we are going to

0:14:28 > 0:14:32have a wholly different approach to the nature of the human in warfare

0:14:32 > 0:14:42and there is not a whisper of debate on the subject.Which areas to see

0:14:42 > 0:14:48this first and foremost coming into defence thinking and operationally

0:14:48 > 0:14:57within the MOD or rather forces?Any area that has very rapid

0:14:57 > 0:15:04decision-making associated with weaponry. So if the human in the

0:15:04 > 0:15:10loop is in a decision-making loop is slower than the enemy, you will

0:15:10 > 0:15:18lose. You have to do, in a Darwinian way, accelerate your utility of AI

0:15:18 > 0:15:24at least as fast if not faster than the enemy.Sir Mark Lyall Grant was

0:15:24 > 0:15:28a National Security Adviser who helped put together the Strategic

0:15:28 > 0:15:31Defence Review in 2015, telling the committee why there had to be

0:15:31 > 0:15:36another reviewer now.A number of things have happened since then

0:15:36 > 0:15:41which call into question the affordability of the review. There

0:15:41 > 0:15:47is obviously an extra element which is the referendum to leave the

0:15:47 > 0:15:52European Union but that does not have a very significant impact on

0:15:52 > 0:15:57either the threat assessment or the commitment made. Only one of the 89

0:15:57 > 0:16:03commitments in the review mentions the European Union at all. So I

0:16:03 > 0:16:06don't think that development fundamentally changes the properties

0:16:06 > 0:16:12of the review but as I mentioned since then, partly perhaps linked to

0:16:12 > 0:16:19the referendum decision, the pound has gone down. Some of that money

0:16:19 > 0:16:23can be hedged and has been hedged by the Ministry of Defence and not all

0:16:23 > 0:16:27of it. Some of the costs have gone up and that is fairly normal

0:16:27 > 0:16:36process. We should be fairly familiar. All those issues are

0:16:36 > 0:16:43there. As I mentioned, some of the efficiency savings have not come

0:16:43 > 0:16:48through as fully as they liked. There is an issue in the Budget.

0:16:48 > 0:16:55That review is due to be published next month. This week, the BBC

0:16:55 > 0:16:58learned that several hundred Islamic State fighters and their family

0:16:58 > 0:17:04members were allowed to leave the Syrian city of Raqqa when it fell to

0:17:04 > 0:17:11US- backed forces. Labour's Collings was concerned.These fighters have

0:17:11 > 0:17:17gone somewhere. There is a threat to neighbouring countries. What

0:17:17 > 0:17:20assessment has the government done in terms of the threat to

0:17:20 > 0:17:25neighbouring countries and particularly countries that are

0:17:25 > 0:17:32fighting Daesh and what assessment has the minister made on fighters on

0:17:32 > 0:17:39our ability to hold the kernel -- these criminals to account?The

0:17:39 > 0:17:44withdrawal from the city happened under the gaze of the coalition.

0:17:44 > 0:17:48Britain was said not to have been involved in the agreement with the

0:17:48 > 0:17:53aim had been to minimise civilian casualties.We are continuing to

0:17:53 > 0:17:56work with the coalition, 73 countries including several

0:17:56 > 0:18:03neighbouring countries, to ensure that those are seeking to leave. But

0:18:03 > 0:18:10they are held accountable. And that those foreign fighters seek to

0:18:10 > 0:18:18return to the UK, that there is due process. That they are held to

0:18:18 > 0:18:25account for their crimes abroad.The government should honour the

0:18:25 > 0:18:30controversial promise on the side of the Birch Leave campaign bus, saying

0:18:30 > 0:18:34millions of pounds would be available for the health service.

0:18:34 > 0:18:39Simon Stephens insisted ministers needed to scrap the cost of the pay

0:18:39 > 0:18:44NHS workers, a point raised by the Shadow Health Secretary.Does he

0:18:44 > 0:18:49agree with Simon Stephens who says it would be an own goal not to fully

0:18:49 > 0:18:53fund the scrapping of the pay cut in the Budget next week and expected to

0:18:53 > 0:19:01be paid for by a productivity gains? The government is willing to be

0:19:01 > 0:19:07flexible in terms of funding additional pay. We do want some

0:19:07 > 0:19:17important reforms and if those negotiations do well and we have had

0:19:17 > 0:19:20very constructive discussions, I'm hopeful we can get a deal everyone

0:19:20 > 0:19:26is happy with.So he doesn't agree with Simon Stephens. Can I ask him

0:19:26 > 0:19:30about his comments last week that it that underfunding continues, the

0:19:30 > 0:19:34waiting lists will rise from 4 million to 5 million, Cancer care

0:19:34 > 0:19:40will deteriorate and the mental health pledges won't be met, the 18

0:19:40 > 0:19:44week target will be permanently abandoned. Is it not the case that

0:19:44 > 0:19:48in the Budget next week, if the Chancellor doesn't allocate at least

0:19:48 > 0:19:54an extra £6 billion a year, but he will have failed the Secretary of

0:19:54 > 0:20:04State?What Simon Stephens noticed, when he came up with this plan in

0:20:04 > 0:20:132014, Labour refused to back it. What we were prepared to put on his

0:20:13 > 0:20:18side of the house. And what he also said as he is quoting Simon Stephens

0:20:18 > 0:20:24is that when the British economy sneezes, the NHS catches a cold and

0:20:24 > 0:20:29it will be far worse than a cold to the NHS if we have Labour's run on

0:20:29 > 0:20:35the prowl.Later a bill to address -- address another service bugbear,

0:20:35 > 0:20:40car parking charges at hospitals. Hospital car parking charges are a

0:20:40 > 0:20:46stealth tax on the NHS. We cannot say in good faith that the NHS is

0:20:46 > 0:20:52free at the point of access paid by general taxation if people with cars

0:20:52 > 0:20:57basics tour June -- extortionate fees to go to hospital appointments

0:20:57 > 0:21:03and work and visit sick relatives. The bill had support from across the

0:21:03 > 0:21:07house but one MP was concerned about course.I am concerned about the

0:21:07 > 0:21:13funding stream. 200 million was mentioned. It is certainly more than

0:21:13 > 0:21:18162 million mentions. That would be a funding gap that would need to be

0:21:18 > 0:21:26provided. If we have 162 million, we would be better spending on hospital

0:21:26 > 0:21:30care rather than hospital parking. That bill will go onto the next

0:21:30 > 0:21:36stage of consideration but it stands no real chance of becoming law. The

0:21:36 > 0:21:40football Association needs to take a long hard look at itself in the

0:21:40 > 0:21:44light of allegations of bullying and races in women's football according

0:21:44 > 0:21:49to the Sports Minister, Tracey Crouch. A barrister last month ruled

0:21:49 > 0:21:54the former England women's coach Mark Sampson had made unacceptable

0:21:54 > 0:22:00remarks to two England players. At a committee session, one of the

0:22:00 > 0:22:04players accused the FA of behaviour bordering on blackmail when it

0:22:04 > 0:22:11dismissed complaints. A Labour MP, Julie Elliott, took up the issue.

0:22:11 > 0:22:16One of the things claimed about the FA investigation, one of the things

0:22:16 > 0:22:22she said was she felt it was constantly protecting the reputation

0:22:22 > 0:22:25of the FA and that came across to the committee very clearly in the

0:22:25 > 0:22:34answer is that the employees do. Dancing on the head of a pin. Rather

0:22:34 > 0:22:41than if they admitted they had done wrong. You think that is a realistic

0:22:41 > 0:22:46claim that it was all about protecting the reputation of the FA?

0:22:46 > 0:22:52I do think it's right to me to sit there...I think it is right but to

0:22:52 > 0:22:56your opinion.I said I thought the FA handled the incident really

0:22:56 > 0:23:12badly. In a way, it has quite rightly taken the shine off the work

0:23:12 > 0:23:24that is the FA has done on reform of the government. I think that the FA

0:23:24 > 0:23:33have to take a long hard look at itself.What about the gaps it

0:23:33 > 0:23:47showed an acknowledgement?Lastly, there was good news for bees. A ban

0:23:47 > 0:23:54on neo-nicotinoid pesticides will be banned in the UK. It can cause bees

0:23:54 > 0:24:00to lose their bars.Why do bees matter? First, they are exceptional

0:24:00 > 0:24:04animals in the Roman rite and although there are over 250 speeches

0:24:04 > 0:24:08of bees including 25 species of bumblebee, they have some remarkable

0:24:08 > 0:24:14characteristics. They can navigate their way in an astonishingly

0:24:14 > 0:24:18sophisticated way with a combination of using the angular angle of the

0:24:18 > 0:24:21Sun, counting landmarks and exploiting electrical fields and

0:24:21 > 0:24:24they can exchange information with other bees about the precise

0:24:24 > 0:24:32location of a perfect flower known as a waggle dance. Beyond are

0:24:32 > 0:24:38intrigued to value, they play a vital role in the border environment

0:24:38 > 0:24:43and that was summarised beautifully by a poet stating, to be, the flower

0:24:43 > 0:24:48is the fountain of life and to the flour, is the messenger of life.The

0:24:48 > 0:24:53role of pollinating is that it is fundamental to our agricultural way

0:24:53 > 0:24:57of life and it's in the interest of farmers as well of those with an

0:24:57 > 0:25:01interest in pollinating that we get this done together. One in every

0:25:01 > 0:25:07three mouthful of food depends on pollinators.The minister said he

0:25:07 > 0:25:17had consulted the expert committee on pesticides.There may also be a

0:25:17 > 0:25:20persistence of neo-nicotinoid in soils which may have a wider effect

0:25:20 > 0:25:23on as a precautionary basis, we have decided to act on that. They were

0:25:23 > 0:25:29clear in their recent advice. The evidence is not that clear at the

0:25:29 > 0:25:34moment. It is, they believe, reason to extend the restrictions further

0:25:34 > 0:25:42and that's why we've taken the restrictions we have.That is it

0:25:42 > 0:25:46from either now but do join me tomorrow for a round-up of the best

0:25:46 > 0:25:49of the day in Westminster including the highlights from Prime Minister's

0:25:49 > 0:25:55questions but the knee, for now, goodbye.