0:00:18 > 0:00:20Hello and welcome to the programme.
0:00:20 > 0:00:24Coming up in the next half hour: Labour accuses the Government
0:00:24 > 0:00:30of treating Parliament with contempt.
0:00:30 > 0:00:33Transparency and accountability are two words this Government does not
0:00:33 > 0:00:33understand.
0:00:33 > 0:00:35There's a cross-party welcome for new measures to protect
0:00:35 > 0:00:40babies during childbirth.
0:00:40 > 0:00:43Anyone who has been involved in birth knows that even the healthiest
0:00:43 > 0:00:45pregnancy can go wrong at the last minute.
0:00:45 > 0:00:50And deja vu for one former party leader.
0:00:50 > 0:00:54I must say, I noticed one or two policies in the budget that looked
0:00:54 > 0:01:00somewhat familiar.
0:01:00 > 0:01:01But first,
0:01:01 > 0:01:03how will leaving the EU affect the economy?
0:01:03 > 0:01:04That's the question behind the controversial
0:01:04 > 0:01:05Brexit impact statements.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08The history of these is a bit tortuous, but in a nutshell,
0:01:08 > 0:01:11the Government prepared a series of papers setting out how Brexit
0:01:11 > 0:01:12would affect 58 different sectors.
0:01:12 > 0:01:14MPs wanted these papers to be shown to the Brexit committee,
0:01:15 > 0:01:16and voted accordingly.
0:01:16 > 0:01:17So ministers said they'd hand them over.
0:01:17 > 0:01:18And they have done.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22But not in their complete form.
0:01:22 > 0:01:28Cue the Shadow Brexit Secretary.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31Transparency and accountability are two words this Government does not
0:01:31 > 0:01:36understand. On the 1st of November, after a three-hour debate, this has
0:01:36 > 0:01:41voted in favour of a humble address requiring all 38 sectoral analysis
0:01:41 > 0:01:47is to be passed to the Brexit Select Committee. Not some reports, not
0:01:47 > 0:01:51redacted report, the full ones. The Government did not seek to amend the
0:01:51 > 0:01:56humble address, nor did it vote against the motion. After your
0:01:56 > 0:02:00advice, the Government accepted that the motion was binding. It is simply
0:02:00 > 0:02:04not open to the Secretary of State to choose to ignore it and to pass
0:02:04 > 0:02:07to the Select Committee the documents that he chooses. Whether
0:02:07 > 0:02:12he is in contempt of Parliament is a matter we will come to at some later
0:02:12 > 0:02:16date, but he's certainly treating Parliament with contempt.We have
0:02:16 > 0:02:20not edited or redacted reports. At the time the motion was passed and
0:02:20 > 0:02:23subsequently, we were clearly documents did not exist in the form
0:02:23 > 0:02:26requested. We have collated information in a way that doesn't
0:02:26 > 0:02:37include some sensitive material, but the documents which he admits he
0:02:37 > 0:02:39hasn't seen do not contain redactions. It is noticeable that
0:02:39 > 0:02:41the original suggestion of redactions in the debate on the 1st
0:02:41 > 0:02:44of November came from him. He also said in the debate that he had
0:02:44 > 0:02:48accepted all along that the Government should not put into the
0:02:48 > 0:02:52public domain any information that would undermine our negotiating
0:02:52 > 0:02:55position, and there is a level of detail and confidential issues and
0:02:55 > 0:02:59tactics that should not be discussed. Statements that the Right
0:02:59 > 0:03:03Honourable and learn it gentleman made during the debate itself.If
0:03:03 > 0:03:07the wished to resist the publication of the paper as it had, it should
0:03:07 > 0:03:11have voted against the motion. If it wished to qualify or to edit the
0:03:11 > 0:03:15papers that it had, it should have sought to amend the motion. And we
0:03:15 > 0:03:21cannot allow post-Brexit to start reducing the parliamentary
0:03:21 > 0:03:26sovereignty to a slightly ridiculous level.In June, the Secretary of
0:03:26 > 0:03:30State said on the Andrew Marr show that we have nearly 60 sectoral
0:03:30 > 0:03:34analyses already done. In September, this was reiterated in the response
0:03:34 > 0:03:38to my Freedom of information request. In October, the Secretary
0:03:38 > 0:03:40of State confirm this to our committee and said that the reports
0:03:40 > 0:03:43were in excruciating detail and the Prime Minister had seen the
0:03:43 > 0:03:48summaries. In November, we heard that they never existed. On what
0:03:48 > 0:03:52basis, Mr Speaker, that completed reports be uncompleted and on what
0:03:52 > 0:03:56basis is it right that the Government do anything other than
0:03:56 > 0:03:59did the reports in full to the Select Committee in line with the
0:03:59 > 0:04:05resolution of this house?The Government has provided the report
0:04:05 > 0:04:08covering 58 sectors to the Select Committee and I look forward to the
0:04:08 > 0:04:10Select Committee being able to scrutinise those in detail, but I
0:04:10 > 0:04:14say to the honourable lady, she has been resisted in pressing for as
0:04:14 > 0:04:18much of this information as possible to be put in the public domain. Her
0:04:18 > 0:04:22front bench have also been persistent in recognising, but not
0:04:22 > 0:04:26all of the information subject to negotiations could possibly be done
0:04:26 > 0:04:29without damaging our national interest.Can remind the minister
0:04:29 > 0:04:32that the question of what the Government will provide to the
0:04:32 > 0:04:35Select Committee is not for the Government or indeed for the Select
0:04:35 > 0:04:39Committee to decide. This Parliament has decided, and there is no
0:04:39 > 0:04:43discussion, no debate, no negotiation, as to the extent to
0:04:43 > 0:04:47which that decision will be complied with. It must be complied with in
0:04:47 > 0:04:51full.I made it very clear to the Secretary of State what procedure
0:04:51 > 0:04:54the Select Committee would use to consider the reports, and I may put
0:04:54 > 0:05:00it like this, do object to any suggestion that the Select Committee
0:05:00 > 0:05:04of which I was chair cannot be trusted to do that job.
0:05:04 > 0:05:05But one or two MPs wondered
0:05:05 > 0:05:10if select committees could in fact be trusted.
0:05:10 > 0:05:14Does the Minister share my concern as to how a letter sent by the
0:05:14 > 0:05:17Secretary of State to the committee managed to reach journalists at the
0:05:17 > 0:05:22daily Mirror? Does that encourage him or discouraging when it comes to
0:05:22 > 0:05:27sharing confidential information.My honourable friend raises a very
0:05:27 > 0:05:29interesting point and of course all leaks should be taken extremely
0:05:29 > 0:05:29seriously.
0:05:29 > 0:05:34Several Conservative Brexiteers came up with a suggestion.
0:05:34 > 0:05:40It was a mistake not to amend the opposition motion, and as a result
0:05:40 > 0:05:44the Government is now skating on very thin parliamentary ice. The
0:05:44 > 0:05:47issue can be solved next week if the Government would come back with a
0:05:47 > 0:05:50sensible motion which every member in this house really ought to
0:05:50 > 0:05:57support.As with other honourable friend, I take his suggestion very
0:05:57 > 0:05:59seriously.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01And after that debate, the Speaker suggested
0:06:01 > 0:06:02in quite a forceful way
0:06:02 > 0:06:05that the Brexit Secretary should have a chat with the Brexit
0:06:05 > 0:06:07Committee as soon as possible.
0:06:07 > 0:06:10Now, the Chancellor has been accused of favouring London and neglecting
0:06:10 > 0:06:13other parts of the country in the measures
0:06:13 > 0:06:15outlined in his Budget.
0:06:15 > 0:06:22The criticism came at Treasury Questions at the start of the day.
0:06:22 > 0:06:28The Chancellor will know that even after the budget that the Southeast
0:06:28 > 0:06:32and London will still have a disproportionate share of the
0:06:32 > 0:06:34infrastructure spending. Could the Chancellor undertake to give an
0:06:34 > 0:06:38annual report to Parliament which will detail both be spending but
0:06:38 > 0:06:41also the likely economic impact of that spending across different
0:06:41 > 0:06:47regions?It is a legitimate question. Much of this
0:06:47 > 0:06:51infrastructure investment will have impact across the country, for
0:06:51 > 0:06:56example investment in HS two will benefit parts of the North of
0:06:56 > 0:06:59England far more than it will benefit many of the area through
0:06:59 > 0:07:03which the railway will run.Mr Speaker, what specific impact of the
0:07:03 > 0:07:09Chancellor think a 1 billion two-year grant that is equivalent to
0:07:09 > 0:07:13the one he gave to Northern Ireland would have on regional economic
0:07:13 > 0:07:17growth in, for example, my honourable friend for Barnsley
0:07:17 > 0:07:23Central, Sheffield city region? There are many things that we can
0:07:23 > 0:07:25invest in every region of the country and I am pretty confident
0:07:25 > 0:07:30that I could take £1 billion to any region of the UK and invest it in a
0:07:30 > 0:07:34way that would enhance productivity and stimulate economic growth.The
0:07:34 > 0:07:36Bank of England deputy governor recently argued that Brexit could
0:07:36 > 0:07:40lead to a sharp step down in the UK's productivity growth. This is
0:07:40 > 0:07:44likely to hit regions in different ways and today the social mobility
0:07:44 > 0:07:47commission talked about the widening geographic divide. What impact does
0:07:47 > 0:07:55he believe his extra resources, talked about in light of preparation
0:07:55 > 0:08:00for Brexit, will have on tackling regional productivity issues and
0:08:00 > 0:08:04social mobility?Well, Mr Deputy Speaker, we know some of the things
0:08:04 > 0:08:08that drive our low productivity performance, regional difference is
0:08:08 > 0:08:12one of them, low levels of capital investment in private business is
0:08:12 > 0:08:17another. Relatively low levels of public infrastructure investment and
0:08:17 > 0:08:21poorer skills. And what we set out in the budget is a raft of measures
0:08:21 > 0:08:24that will address all of them. Today's state of the nation report
0:08:24 > 0:08:29made very clear the issues of social mobility that are facing many young
0:08:29 > 0:08:33people in England today. Given the Government's record of cuts to
0:08:33 > 0:08:37social funding, school funding, raising tuition fees, high youth
0:08:37 > 0:08:40unemployed and a failure to provide affordable housing for families and
0:08:40 > 0:08:44young people, these findings are not surprising. I would like to ask what
0:08:44 > 0:08:47action the Minister will take to combat the intergenerational divide
0:08:47 > 0:08:52for young people right across the country?Under this Government, we
0:08:52 > 0:08:55are increasing the number of apprenticeships. We have improved
0:08:55 > 0:08:59the school curriculum, brought in new academies and free schools, and
0:08:59 > 0:09:04use unemployment is at its lowest level for over 13 years.This
0:09:04 > 0:09:07Speaker, in the budget, over £1 million of the so-called extra money
0:09:07 > 0:09:10for Scotland was in the form of financial transaction money. That is
0:09:10 > 0:09:15money that the Scottish Government has got pay back. The block grant
0:09:15 > 0:09:21for spending on front line services is down £230 million in real terms.
0:09:21 > 0:09:25How can the Chancellor suggest that £230 million of a reduction for
0:09:25 > 0:09:31Scotland is a good deal for our country?Scotland's spending power
0:09:31 > 0:09:37has been increased by £2 billion in this budget, including financial
0:09:37 > 0:09:41transactions which support fantastic schemes such as help to buy. But
0:09:41 > 0:09:45what we need to see is the SNP Government using their powers to
0:09:45 > 0:09:50deliver for Scotland, such as improving their appalling results in
0:09:50 > 0:09:56English and maths education.
0:09:56 > 0:09:58Liz Truss.
0:09:58 > 0:10:02You're watching Tuesday in Parliament, with me, Mandy Baker.
0:10:02 > 0:10:10Don't forget you can find all our programmes on the BBC iPlayer.
0:10:10 > 0:10:17Has told his staff they were involved in setting exams by the
0:10:17 > 0:10:22pupils. The head of economic 's had left the school amid allegations he
0:10:22 > 0:10:29had leaked practice questions to other teaching staff.MPs on the
0:10:29 > 0:10:34education committee are looking into the integrity of the exam system.
0:10:34 > 0:10:40Detection of malpractice is of importance and we go about it any
0:10:40 > 0:10:47number of. One way we did and detect malpractice is that all schools that
0:10:47 > 0:10:58hold our examinations are subject to unannounced examination. Before the
0:10:58 > 0:11:01examination to ensure that confidential material has not been
0:11:01 > 0:11:06opened during the exam to make sure that the exam has been supervised.
0:11:06 > 0:11:13That is one thing we do. We actively encourage whistle blowing by anybody
0:11:13 > 0:11:18with valuable information. In these cases it was whistle blowing that
0:11:18 > 0:11:25let us catch it, not by the media but whistle-blowing directly to the
0:11:25 > 0:11:30organisation. We also carry out statistical and other examination of
0:11:30 > 0:11:36the exam scripts after we receive them in order to spot improbable
0:11:36 > 0:11:42performance or copied scripts.A Labour MP worried how big the
0:11:42 > 0:11:48problem was.Is it systemic? Is historic? Is it happening now in the
0:11:48 > 0:11:57press have got on to it?Can I and Sir? I agree with the idea of
0:11:57 > 0:12:02integrity. I say to my pupils is they have to do the right thing when
0:12:02 > 0:12:07no one is looking. In this case, it was our own teachers in the
0:12:07 > 0:12:11economics department who had concerns about the head of
0:12:11 > 0:12:16Department. They reported it to me and I reported it to the examination
0:12:16 > 0:12:22board. It had all been dealt with. The teacher had been dismissed three
0:12:22 > 0:12:27weeks before the matter hit the public domain.Do you think the
0:12:27 > 0:12:33high-stakes accountability of the examination system, it does not
0:12:33 > 0:12:38condone malpractice, but do you think in the state sector as well it
0:12:38 > 0:12:43could lead to teachers feeling under pressure to get those results by any
0:12:43 > 0:12:47means?That is a question I have asked myself. In the case of my
0:12:47 > 0:12:53school, I do not believe that to be the case. We pride ourselves that
0:12:53 > 0:12:59the education we offer is more than examination results. We do not enter
0:12:59 > 0:13:04league tables in August, or release our results at that point because it
0:13:04 > 0:13:12is not a metric that we are prioritising. Certainly, in our
0:13:12 > 0:13:17schools when I meet annually with heads of department we have an
0:13:17 > 0:13:21annual review of the departmental performance and there is no
0:13:21 > 0:13:27discussion about a drive to improve examination results. Each of the
0:13:27 > 0:13:34committee asked about teachers being in teaching and setting exams.I
0:13:34 > 0:13:37have teachers who are involved in setting exams and know in advance
0:13:37 > 0:13:43what are coming up in the exams for ten separate exams because two of
0:13:43 > 0:13:51them set for two separate boards. Seven of those ten exams are papers
0:13:51 > 0:13:56that pupils will set, three are not. We have brought in additional
0:13:56 > 0:14:00safeguards following this case.Are the parents made aware of what
0:14:00 > 0:14:08teachers are setting the exams?No, we do not. We caught the other way
0:14:08 > 0:14:12and have now said that teachers are not to disclose to pupils and they
0:14:12 > 0:14:19are involved in examining because we think that perhaps put them at a
0:14:19 > 0:14:22risk if pupils know they are involved in setting. We have a
0:14:22 > 0:14:30register that sits with me. It is not publicly discussed with other
0:14:30 > 0:14:39colleagues or pupils.
0:14:39 > 0:14:44Jeremy Hunt said the NHS in England must do more to learn from mistakes
0:14:44 > 0:14:50because each year 1000 babies die unexpectedly or are left with brain
0:14:50 > 0:14:55injuries.Still birth rates are falling but still lag behind many
0:14:55 > 0:14:59countries in Europe and when it comes to injury, brain damage
0:14:59 > 0:15:05sustained at birth can last a lifetime with about two
0:15:05 > 0:15:13multi-million pound claims settled against the NHS every week. This
0:15:13 > 0:15:19year 76% of the 1000 cases of birth related deaths or serious brain
0:15:19 > 0:15:23injuries that occurred in 2015 might have had a different outcome with
0:15:23 > 0:15:27different care. From next year, every case of you still worth
0:15:27 > 0:15:34neonatal death, suspected brain injury or maternal death that is not
0:15:34 > 0:15:43aside to the -- that is notified to the programme, when thousand
0:15:43 > 0:15:47incidents annually will be investigated not by the trust at
0:15:47 > 0:15:52which the incident happened, but independently with a thorough
0:15:52 > 0:15:56learning focused investigation conducted by the health and safety
0:15:56 > 0:16:03investigation Branch.Labour welcomed the plan. The survey this
0:16:03 > 0:16:11year showed 57% of women having a baby have a red flag event,
0:16:11 > 0:16:14dangerously low staffing levels, women not receiving one to one care
0:16:14 > 0:16:20during labour. We believe that the NHS remains underfunded and
0:16:20 > 0:16:23understaffed. Can the Secretary of State tell us today what action he
0:16:23 > 0:16:31intends to take so that maternity services are funded and the staff
0:16:31 > 0:16:34shortages are addressed as part of a strategy to improve safety across
0:16:34 > 0:16:40the board.If we are to put more money into the NHS, we need to have
0:16:40 > 0:16:44the doctors, midwives and nurses to spend that money on. That is why in
0:16:44 > 0:16:50the last year the Government has committed to a 25% increase in the
0:16:50 > 0:16:55number of nurse training places and 25% increase in the number of
0:16:55 > 0:17:00medical school training places.It is easy to spot the women who has a
0:17:00 > 0:17:06past history of difficult birth. It is easy to spot the women with
0:17:06 > 0:17:10obesity and diabetes, but anyone who has been involved in birth knows
0:17:10 > 0:17:15that even the healthiest pregnancy can go wrong at the last minute. For
0:17:15 > 0:17:22us, and in rural parts of the north of England and west of England, the
0:17:22 > 0:17:27issues of transport and how someone is identified quickly during labour
0:17:27 > 0:17:30and transported if higher specialism is required, something that has to
0:17:30 > 0:17:37be looked at.As every parent who has lost a child knows, what they
0:17:37 > 0:17:43want most is answers. Can I congratulate the Secretary of State
0:17:43 > 0:17:47on bringing forward the health and safety investigation Branch because
0:17:47 > 0:17:52that independence will be crucial for the buy in of parents to know
0:17:52 > 0:17:56what has happened in that particular case. How will learning from those
0:17:56 > 0:18:05investigations be shared?I want to thank her for her extraordinary
0:18:05 > 0:18:09campaigning on this issue and so, yes, we want parents to get the
0:18:09 > 0:18:14answer more quickly but we also want to be able to answer the question
0:18:14 > 0:18:16that every parent asks, can you guarantee this will not happen
0:18:16 > 0:18:24again? These investigators will have a dual remit, get the bottom of what
0:18:24 > 0:18:27happened but spread that message around the system so that same
0:18:27 > 0:18:31mistake is not repeated. That is the whole objective about setting up a
0:18:31 > 0:18:37team of people to do this.Even after all these years, when my wife
0:18:37 > 0:18:43and I hear news this morning takes us back to our baby daughter who
0:18:43 > 0:18:47died at birth. We had four children and healthy grandchildren but we
0:18:47 > 0:18:57still look back to that awful time. Our baby was sickly, it was not
0:18:57 > 0:19:00clear, but the fact of the matter is we care very much about the children
0:19:00 > 0:19:04who lose their child and I as a member of Parliament and getting
0:19:04 > 0:19:10worried about rationalisation and units are getting further away from
0:19:10 > 0:19:15where the population live and we are worried when we do not give the
0:19:15 > 0:19:21midwives and doctors the full support to do their difficult job.
0:19:21 > 0:19:25We must give doctors, nurses and midwives all our full support
0:19:25 > 0:19:28because they do an extraordinary job.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30The government's been challenged by members of the House
0:19:30 > 0:19:33of Lords over its plans to improve air quality.
0:19:33 > 0:19:38Earlier this year a report from the United Nations accused
0:19:38 > 0:19:40the UK government of "flouting" its duty to protect the lives
0:19:40 > 0:19:42and health of citizens from illegal and dangerous levels
0:19:43 > 0:19:44of air pollution.
0:19:44 > 0:19:48A Labour peer cited findings from the UN.
0:19:48 > 0:19:52Air quality in 44 of our towns and cities is such that it is too
0:19:52 > 0:19:54dangerous to breathe.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56According to the Royal College of Physicians, last
0:19:56 > 0:20:05year the health impact of poor air quality was £20 billion and it is
0:20:05 > 0:20:07estimated that 50,000 people per year die because of poor
0:20:07 > 0:20:14air quality of whom 9,000 are in London.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16Surely we have to more than the minister said
0:20:16 > 0:20:19the Government is going to do?
0:20:19 > 0:20:24My Lords, the Government does take this
0:20:24 > 0:20:27seriously because we are well aware of the health issues.
0:20:27 > 0:20:29This is an issue which is affecting many countries.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32As the noble Lord will know, 17 other EU member states have this
0:20:32 > 0:20:33problem with nitrogen dioxide.
0:20:33 > 0:20:40It is why we are working closely with local authorities so we
0:20:40 > 0:20:41can escalate particularly those local authorities
0:20:41 > 0:20:43where we need to make my rapid progress.
0:20:43 > 0:20:45We are well aware of the health consequences.
0:20:45 > 0:20:49It is very serious.
0:20:49 > 0:20:51Will the Minister explain to the House whether there are
0:20:51 > 0:20:53ongoing discussions with motor manufacturers in the UK,
0:20:53 > 0:20:57particularly those
0:20:57 > 0:21:04who only off vehicles with diesel engines whilst exporting to other
0:21:04 > 0:21:06parts of the world with petrol engines
0:21:06 > 0:21:07in exactly the same vehicles?
0:21:07 > 0:21:10Isn't it clear, particularly after what my
0:21:10 > 0:21:16noble friend has said, that oxides of nitrogen and other
0:21:16 > 0:21:18particular matter from diesel engines is the biggest single
0:21:18 > 0:21:23threat to health in this country and particularly among children
0:21:23 > 0:21:25who are going to and from school and playing
0:21:25 > 0:21:31and shopping at street level and risking damage to the health?
0:21:31 > 0:21:39A lot of what the noble lord has said I agree
0:21:39 > 0:21:42and it is why this country intends and why we have had investment
0:21:42 > 0:21:44in the ultra low emissions vehicle regime.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46It is very important that we are in discussions with the
0:21:46 > 0:21:48manufacturers and the most important thing, and one
0:21:48 > 0:21:49of the problems we have
0:21:49 > 0:21:51had with nitrogen dioxide is the driving
0:21:51 > 0:21:53emissions test had been on a
0:21:53 > 0:21:57laboratory basis, not a real driving basis.
0:21:57 > 0:21:59From September this year, all new cars will have
0:21:59 > 0:22:08to meet emission limits in real driving conditions.
0:22:08 > 0:22:10The last Labour Government cut the duty on
0:22:10 > 0:22:12diesel and encouraged us to buy diesel cars.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14Will my noble friend not take lectures from then on what
0:22:14 > 0:22:15we should be doing?
0:22:15 > 0:22:21My lords, we now have to deal with what is a serious issue.
0:22:21 > 0:22:23We are only now not compliant in nitrogen dioxide.
0:22:23 > 0:22:26We are compliant in all other areas of air quality.
0:22:26 > 0:22:32This is one we need to address and my noble
0:22:32 > 0:22:38friend is right, this problem is because we dashed for diesel and it
0:22:38 > 0:22:40is the diesel vehicle that has caused the problems with nitrogen
0:22:40 > 0:22:43dioxide that we are now addressing.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46It was the final day of Commons debate on the Budget measures.
0:22:46 > 0:22:48And one former party leader was experiencing
0:22:48 > 0:22:53a sense of deja vu.
0:22:53 > 0:22:55I noticed one or two policies in the budget that
0:22:55 > 0:22:57look somewhat familiar.
0:22:57 > 0:23:01The energy policy, the energy price cap used to be parked of a Marxist
0:23:01 > 0:23:07universe, now it is Government policy.
0:23:07 > 0:23:11The use it or lose it policy on land banking was described
0:23:11 > 0:23:16by the foreign secretary as Mugabe style land expropriation.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19Now it is on the way to becoming Government policy.
0:23:19 > 0:23:28The former head of Theresa May's policy unit
0:23:28 > 0:23:36I welcome the easing of the pay cap.
0:23:36 > 0:23:37so that those on the front line
0:23:37 > 0:23:40of our public services, the heroes who run into burning
0:23:40 > 0:23:43buildings and bullets for us get the pay rise that they deserve
0:23:43 > 0:23:44that is appropriate and affordable.
0:23:44 > 0:23:46But the signal also that those in the public services
0:23:46 > 0:23:48who are responsible for management, for delivering productivity,
0:23:48 > 0:23:52are rewarded for that productivity and on the basis of it.
0:23:52 > 0:23:54The SNP turned to the cutting of the growth forecasts
0:23:54 > 0:24:04and the level of government debt in the budget.
0:24:07 > 0:24:10The target set by the Government since they came to power,
0:24:10 > 0:24:12the Tory chancellor in 2010, they have failed to deliver.
0:24:12 > 0:24:13That means...
0:24:13 > 0:24:15Yes, of course I'll give way.
0:24:15 > 0:24:17I am grateful to the honourable gentleman for giving way.
0:24:17 > 0:24:20Does he agree with me that the real story behind the budget
0:24:20 > 0:24:23was the growth forecast that will impact not just the borrowing
0:24:23 > 0:24:25that he's talking about but public spending and the whole shape
0:24:25 > 0:24:28of the British economy and society in the years ahead?
0:24:28 > 0:24:31Don't we need an urgent debate on how we really raise that growth
0:24:31 > 0:24:33rate and the industrial strategy was not up to that
0:24:33 > 0:24:34job, which is tricky?
0:24:34 > 0:24:36The first part I agree with entirely.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39The big story from the budget was growth figures marked down
0:24:39 > 0:24:41over the period and the productivity per head almost
0:24:41 > 0:24:42halved for the period.
0:24:42 > 0:24:45And pay growth marked down, which impacts on real people.
0:24:45 > 0:24:47As to a debate, we have been having debates on the productivity
0:24:47 > 0:24:50conundrum on growth since before I was an MP.
0:24:50 > 0:24:54Given I am now about 110, that was some time ago.
0:24:54 > 0:24:58The veteran Stewart Hosie.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00And at the end of that debate MPs this happened.
0:25:00 > 0:25:02Order.
0:25:02 > 0:25:04The question is as on the order paper.
0:25:04 > 0:25:13As many as are of the opinion, say "aye"...
0:25:13 > 0:25:15Aye...
0:25:15 > 0:25:16LAUGHTER.
0:25:16 > 0:25:18You are not in very good form.
0:25:18 > 0:25:21Well, they had another go and although the response
0:25:21 > 0:25:23was still a bit lacklustre, the Speaker decided that it
0:25:23 > 0:25:25did amount to approval and the Budget was passed.
0:25:25 > 0:25:28So that's all for now, but do join me at the same time
0:25:28 > 0:25:30tomorrow for a roundup of, amongst other things,
0:25:30 > 0:25:31Prime Minister's Questions!
0:25:31 > 0:25:36But for now, from me, Mandy Baker, goodbye.