0:00:20 > 0:00:25Hello and welcome to the programme. Coming, Carillion senior executives
0:00:25 > 0:00:31are lost for words.And you are still all right, all of you. Aren't
0:00:31 > 0:00:40you?100 years after the first one and get the boat, female MPs are
0:00:40 > 0:00:45still severing abuse.What this is about is massage and is seeking to
0:00:45 > 0:00:52silence women who dare to speak out. And plane speeding about the online
0:00:52 > 0:00:57abuse of a model's disabled son.We do not like you, but what you have
0:00:57 > 0:01:03done is amazing because it will help lots of people.The chairman of the
0:01:03 > 0:01:06collapsed company Carillion has told MPs about how upset he is about the
0:01:06 > 0:01:11demise. They provided services for schools, hospitals and prisons. It
0:01:11 > 0:01:16went into liquidation leading suppliers unpaid and a hole in the
0:01:16 > 0:01:19company entered scheme which amounts to nearly billions of pounds. An
0:01:19 > 0:01:25array of senior executives get a joint committee of MPs as either the
0:01:25 > 0:01:27story, but the chairs of the committees were not impressed saying
0:01:27 > 0:01:31afterwards that the directors were delusional who maintained that
0:01:31 > 0:01:36everything was hunky-dory until it all went suddenly and unfortunately
0:01:36 > 0:01:44wrong.DPhil perhaps that you are asleep at the wheel and surprised?
0:01:44 > 0:01:53No I do not think I was asleep at the wheel, because as soon as I got
0:01:53 > 0:01:58the role we were looking to tackle issues and the key focus of my time
0:01:58 > 0:02:04in the role was to bring net debt down and that...So you feel that in
0:02:04 > 0:02:07the nine months that you are in the business you did the right thing at
0:02:07 > 0:02:18the right time?I believe I did everything that I could have done.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21The words cannot describe the depth of my despair, I am devastated by
0:02:21 > 0:02:28the impact and -- that the collapse has had, on pensioners and customers
0:02:28 > 0:02:36and suppliers and staff. It is very difficult to say, how sorry or how
0:02:36 > 0:02:43desperate we are by the situation. There were loud voices telling you
0:02:43 > 0:02:48things were going wrong, and you are saying that there was no indication
0:02:48 > 0:02:52that something was wrong until the last minute. I simply say it is
0:02:52 > 0:02:57incredible.Sorry, I am not saying there was no indication, I am not
0:02:57 > 0:03:01saying we got all that decision is right, I am not saying I are there
0:03:01 > 0:03:05of those things.We have had one session here where people are
0:03:05 > 0:03:07pointing fingers and your main evidence so far is that you have
0:03:07 > 0:03:15these advisers and in effect pointed your finger at them, what is your
0:03:15 > 0:03:19responsibility for this collapse? Board and complete, total. Very
0:03:19 > 0:03:28good. No question in my mind about that, full responsibility, no
0:03:28 > 0:03:33question and if I look back, of course there are things we looked at
0:03:33 > 0:03:35would have done differently.I'm asking if you think it is justified
0:03:35 > 0:03:40in a time when the share price of the cup -- company is falling quite
0:03:40 > 0:03:48substantially, whether it is right to increase the remuneration of the
0:03:48 > 0:03:52chief executive.We thought it was right at the time because we wanted
0:03:52 > 0:03:56to retain in that business of period when that sector was volatile.And
0:03:56 > 0:04:01the benefit in hindsight, do you think those decisions were right?I
0:04:01 > 0:04:06thought a lot about the decisions that we have made, and I think that
0:04:06 > 0:04:13decision in terms of increase in his pay was correct.So you think that
0:04:13 > 0:04:21in 2016, the chief executive deserved...Ever made in January it
0:04:21 > 0:04:25in the back with consulting and shareholders.I'm asking you in
0:04:25 > 0:04:31hindsight, do you think the reward of £1.5 million at a time when
0:04:31 > 0:04:35there's lots of evidence to show what happened to the business,
0:04:35 > 0:04:39whether that was justified?I completely understand the anger that
0:04:39 > 0:04:46people will feel about the paper has been made to executives, in my role
0:04:46 > 0:04:48on the remuneration committee, I have to balance factors including
0:04:48 > 0:04:55the market and the advice we get... You already said that, I asked you
0:04:55 > 0:04:58would benefit of the hindsight if you think that the packet was
0:04:58 > 0:05:08justified? Wu acting insight that we should've looked that they were paid
0:05:08 > 0:05:12against targets that could have committed with overall performance
0:05:12 > 0:05:19of the business. And all of your sitting here, with millions of
0:05:19 > 0:05:23pounds of payment over a period of years, and you say how sad and
0:05:23 > 0:05:28disappointed you are, but what actions do you take to show that?
0:05:28 > 0:05:33Because it is just words, is it not? Is just work, I'm sorry, I'm I'm
0:05:33 > 0:05:40disappointed, but the money is in the bank. It is not is it? For the
0:05:40 > 0:05:44people who are retired or coming up for retirement. So instead of the
0:05:44 > 0:05:49words, why cannot do something? Why not give money back and try and make
0:05:49 > 0:05:56a difference and put right some of the wrong.Can I put it another way?
0:05:56 > 0:06:01You opened up about how sorry you are, but it does not seem to me that
0:06:01 > 0:06:07the sorrow leads as Richard says, too any way of you put the money
0:06:07 > 0:06:11back and all for if you have done rather well after the company which
0:06:11 > 0:06:18you then in different ways, helped to crash. Does that not move you at
0:06:18 > 0:06:26all? I mean, why should we believe you, that you feel so sad about all
0:06:26 > 0:06:32of this it does not extend to the chequebook.I am genuinely, shocked
0:06:32 > 0:06:41and saddened by the events. I genuinely am. And I am very happy to
0:06:41 > 0:06:48engage with the company and understand what...You have to wait
0:06:48 > 0:06:51for someone to have an engagement with you, it's part of your DNA. Is
0:06:51 > 0:06:58it not?It is, but I do need to understand what the position is. I
0:06:58 > 0:07:03do not know what my position is today.It's clear isn't it, pensions
0:07:03 > 0:07:08are taking cuts, large numbers of people are going to not get paper
0:07:08 > 0:07:13contracts, and other people have lost their jobs, and you are still
0:07:13 > 0:07:25all right. All of you. Are you not? Carillion executives loss for words.
0:07:25 > 0:07:30Now, female MPs should not have to put up with hate and abuse 100 years
0:07:30 > 0:07:35after the first women got the vote in the UK. The women in the
0:07:35 > 0:07:39qualities Minister, also told the Commons should look at cost to
0:07:39 > 0:07:45pardon suffragettes convicted of militant activities. She was making
0:07:45 > 0:07:49a statement as MPs commemorated the anniversary of that 1918
0:07:49 > 0:07:52representation of the people act, which gave women over 30 web
0:07:52 > 0:07:56property the right to vote. The comments was awash with purple and
0:07:56 > 0:08:01green emblem of the suffragette movement.I'm proud to be part of
0:08:01 > 0:08:06the most diverse House of Commons in British history, we have our second
0:08:06 > 0:08:13female Prime Minister. Third of those in Cabinet are web in and we
0:08:13 > 0:08:17have the highest ever number of female MPs. Outside of politics, we
0:08:17 > 0:08:22have seen so much progress since 1918. More women are in a more
0:08:22 > 0:08:27diverse range of jobs ever before, and increasing at the top of the
0:08:27 > 0:08:30fields.The women could not hold himself that true equality was a
0:08:30 > 0:08:38done deal.Weekdays vile sexist abuse. We have seen a concerted
0:08:38 > 0:08:41effort online and off-line to destroy the confidence of women who
0:08:41 > 0:08:45want to be involved in political life. Just last week, we learned
0:08:45 > 0:08:51that the labour leader had quit over what she called over bullying and
0:08:51 > 0:08:58sexism by supporters of Jeremy Corbyn. The honourable lady received
0:08:58 > 0:09:01endless verbal abuse, in fact she has disgraced leader received over
0:09:01 > 0:09:08half of all the online abuse sent to female politicians. As she has set
0:09:08 > 0:09:12herself, it is the sheer volume and hatred which makes it so
0:09:12 > 0:09:17debilitating, so corrosive, and so upsetting. And to my own
0:09:17 > 0:09:22constituency, I am often asked by people who come up to me, how can
0:09:22 > 0:09:28you bear it? The hate, and I will tell you I buried. Like other women
0:09:28 > 0:09:32in this chamber do, because I know that the male matter in politics,
0:09:32 > 0:09:39and in light. I was hoping that the Minister was going to make an
0:09:39 > 0:09:42announcement today that the Government was going to issue may be
0:09:42 > 0:09:49an official apology to the women of the suffragette movement or a pardon
0:09:49 > 0:09:54Navy for those who are oddly imprisoned and sexually assaulted in
0:09:54 > 0:10:00battle to get women the vote.By instead, all we have is another free
0:10:00 > 0:10:07announcement of how utterly disappointed.I support the move to
0:10:07 > 0:10:15ask and consider the case to bring candidates. What this is about his
0:10:15 > 0:10:21misogynists seeking to sign into women who dare to speak out.
0:10:21 > 0:10:25Particularly, this is against younger women and black women. Now,
0:10:25 > 0:10:30voters have the right to choose who they want, man or woman to represent
0:10:30 > 0:10:33them. And once that representative is elected to Parliament, it is
0:10:33 > 0:10:38their right and duty to be able to get on with the job without being
0:10:38 > 0:10:43subjected to intimidation, threats, or violence. This is about our
0:10:43 > 0:10:47democracy, and I hope members on all sides of the House will get this
0:10:47 > 0:10:50their full support.I would be doing a disservice to suffragettes who
0:10:50 > 0:10:53stood up for their causes, which were more than just getting above
0:10:53 > 0:10:58for women, if I do not say that today we still have a government
0:10:58 > 0:11:02that pursues policies and social security cuts which hurt when in
0:11:02 > 0:11:06budgets and 85% of cuts have come out of women pockets, and we get to
0:11:06 > 0:11:12see the justice for this campaign is.I would generally say that this
0:11:12 > 0:11:15government is focused on the Isherwood making sure to do that,
0:11:15 > 0:11:19both in terms of positives and making sure that we have a better
0:11:19 > 0:11:23approach to the gender pay gap, and in terms of protecting women, which
0:11:23 > 0:11:26is why we bring forward domestic abuse bill year which will address
0:11:26 > 0:11:32of this.A couple of senior MPs wanted a lot to force political
0:11:32 > 0:11:35parties to publish the gender balance of the candidate list.It
0:11:35 > 0:11:43may not be very conducive for this party to publish the list, but it
0:11:43 > 0:11:46would encourage us to select more women for candidates to take a role
0:11:46 > 0:11:52in public life.She said she would take a look at his suggestion. You
0:11:52 > 0:11:57are watching Tuesday Parliament with me, Mandy Baker. Do not forget you
0:11:57 > 0:12:00can thought -- find previous editions of this programme by going
0:12:00 > 0:12:07to the BBCi player. Weber has claimed that ten more cash strapped
0:12:07 > 0:12:12councils could be about to take the same emergency measures as
0:12:12 > 0:12:16Northamptonshire. Issuing a section 1114 notice, stopping all spending
0:12:16 > 0:12:20apart from what is needed to safeguard vulnerable people. Labour
0:12:20 > 0:12:23said that shifting local -- local government cost to taxpayer did not
0:12:23 > 0:12:29work as it did not raise enough money.The Treasury notes that and
0:12:29 > 0:12:34the local government sector knows that. So when the Minister is going
0:12:34 > 0:12:37to stand up to the Chancellor and demand the money that local
0:12:37 > 0:12:41government needs, because the local Government Chronicle are suggesting
0:12:41 > 0:12:47that there are already at least ten other local authorities preparing to
0:12:47 > 0:12:54issue 114 notice this. How this Minister treat Northamptonshire,
0:12:54 > 0:13:00will be looked on very closely by the sector.The Minister said that
0:13:00 > 0:13:04all councils have a duty to balance budget.The Government has been
0:13:04 > 0:13:08aware of concerns about Northamptonshire County Council
0:13:08 > 0:13:16finances and governance for some time. This is why the secretary is
0:13:16 > 0:13:20straight -- stay, appointed an inspector to undertake independent
0:13:20 > 0:13:25best value inspection on the 9th of January. This independent inspection
0:13:25 > 0:13:30is due to report on the 16th of March.Before the report came out,
0:13:30 > 0:13:35it was wrong for them to comment on it he said, but one local
0:13:35 > 0:13:40conservative felt no such restraint. It gives me no pleasure Mr Speaker
0:13:40 > 0:13:45to say that with this of this notice, becomes the worst run the
0:13:45 > 0:13:49local authority in the country. Undoubtedly there is huge pressures
0:13:49 > 0:13:57the social care budget, exacerbated by no temperature's fast rowing
0:13:57 > 0:14:01elderly population. And the funding review is welcome, but will come too
0:14:01 > 0:14:06late I'm afraid for that counsel. The Mac all seven MPs have lost
0:14:06 > 0:14:09confidence in the leadership of the Council. There is no question served
0:14:09 > 0:14:14that this is not about money, this is about the governance of the
0:14:14 > 0:14:21Council and I Cabinet has to go and it has to go now.Jeremy Hunt has
0:14:21 > 0:14:26ordered an urgent review of medical malpractice cases following concerns
0:14:26 > 0:14:29over a recent manslaughter clays involving the death of a 6-year-old
0:14:29 > 0:14:33boy. Medical professionals were but a High Court ruled that that Doctor
0:14:33 > 0:14:41should be struck off and they argued shipping under
0:14:41 > 0:14:45It is fair to say that the recent case has caused huge concerns, so
0:14:45 > 0:14:52today I can announce that I've asked the former president of the Road
0:14:52 > 0:15:01College of surgeons to conduct a rapid review -- Royal College of
0:15:01 > 0:15:09surgeons to... So that mistakes are learned from and not covered up, how
0:15:09 > 0:15:19we ensure there is a clarity about where the line is drawn in medical
0:15:19 > 0:15:24practise respect... And any lessons that need to be learned by the
0:15:24 > 0:15:27General medical Council and other professional regulators.
0:15:27 > 0:15:34STUDIO: Other MPs wanted to know what Ministers would do to integrate
0:15:34 > 0:15:48the dot it's important that the dot -- Anne Holton is now on -- Halton
0:15:48 > 0:15:53is now on the...There's not enough money, the Government keeps trying
0:15:53 > 0:16:00to avoid. Mr Speaker, we've given extra funding over the next three
0:16:00 > 0:16:08years to help councils, that's addition to giving them access to
0:16:08 > 0:16:16nine point dedicated social care funding by...The former top civil
0:16:16 > 0:16:20servant at the Foreign Office has been an outspoken attack on the
0:16:20 > 0:16:23Government's the dramatic vision for Britain after it leaves the European
0:16:23 > 0:16:28Union. The idea of global Britain is to show that the UK will remain
0:16:28 > 0:16:32fully engaged with the world. Doctor Simon Fraser seemed less than
0:16:32 > 0:16:37impressed.To be frank, I think many countries that for the time being
0:16:37 > 0:16:43we've lost the plot in terms of understanding or we intend to go and
0:16:43 > 0:16:49it has to be said that in terms of big geopolitical strategy, whilst
0:16:49 > 0:16:55Brexit is consuming us and this country, it is not the central deal
0:16:55 > 0:17:01in global geopolitics. I think that global Britain at the moment is
0:17:01 > 0:17:07really a slow oven, and we need more clarity of thought. As a set in the
0:17:07 > 0:17:12streets that Mr Murray referred to, it seemed to me that we need to
0:17:12 > 0:17:19think through, where that leaves us on the international stage, what are
0:17:19 > 0:17:23the objectives that this country outside the European Union will be
0:17:23 > 0:17:26seeking to achieve in its international policies, what are the
0:17:26 > 0:17:30priorities for us, what is the message we want to give to the
0:17:30 > 0:17:39world? What are the relationships and institutions and other methods
0:17:39 > 0:17:47of leverage that we're going to use to achieve our goals. At the moment,
0:17:47 > 0:17:53there's a lot of mushy thinking about this and a lot of simplistic
0:17:53 > 0:17:56words, and we need to sit down and put some hard content behind it.
0:17:56 > 0:18:05When I was a vicar, the organist used by any old music, and we used
0:18:05 > 0:18:10to call that vamp until ready. And global Britain is that, it is damp
0:18:10 > 0:18:14till ready. They will make noise until they've come up with a
0:18:14 > 0:18:18decision and some kind of policy for the future. It's a sensible thing to
0:18:18 > 0:18:27do, to be honest. Just put any old slogan up. Until we get to the point
0:18:27 > 0:18:29where we know what Brexit really looks like, I'm trying to be
0:18:29 > 0:18:34generous to her.I don't think I'll interfere with your relationship
0:18:34 > 0:18:41with the Prime Minister. This is an unusual statement. It seems to me
0:18:41 > 0:18:45that global Britain is a very sensible aspiration as it was three
0:18:45 > 0:18:53years ago. Because this is the self image... It was the policy of the
0:18:53 > 0:18:59Foreign Secretary that we should be present around the world button as
0:18:59 > 0:19:02many places as possible so we were engaged in networks around the
0:19:02 > 0:19:06world, and we were able to influence events. I think that is a good
0:19:06 > 0:19:14policy. The challenge us in my view is leaving the European Union is a
0:19:14 > 0:19:20step in a different direction. It is probably the most important ever
0:19:20 > 0:19:26this country is involved with. So it de-globalize is us. I think it
0:19:26 > 0:19:28creates a challenge as to how we're going to pursue our global
0:19:28 > 0:19:39aspirations.Last week, MPs voted to vacate the Palace of Wen Spencer
0:19:39 > 0:19:41sometime after 2025 to allow extensive restorations of the
0:19:41 > 0:19:52building. -- palace of when Spencer/ Palace of Westminster.There are
0:19:52 > 0:19:56difficult decisions to be made on how we best protect one of the
0:19:56 > 0:19:59world's most iconic buildings for future generations. We must address
0:19:59 > 0:20:05these decisions head-on. The patch and bend approaches no longer
0:20:05 > 0:20:12sustainable. STUDIO: When that the dot the House
0:20:12 > 0:20:19of Commons has lifted our affairs -- it is the citadel of British
0:20:19 > 0:20:26liberty.I don't know how was this country can be governed by the then
0:20:26 > 0:20:30by the House of Commons playing its part... For me the House of Commons
0:20:30 > 0:20:36is down the road. Or for a temporary period, here. And I think we should
0:20:36 > 0:20:41think about that. Very, very seriously. And I think any of us
0:20:41 > 0:20:48that have watched the film artist our -- Darkest Hour, they understand
0:20:48 > 0:20:57the emotion about that.Think about her spoilers, random electric fires,
0:20:57 > 0:21:01routine and constant maintenance and equipment failures, floods, I am
0:21:01 > 0:21:05frankly amazed that this building functions as well as it does.
0:21:05 > 0:21:26STUDIO: Lesley -- Lady Stowell... This is fundamental surgery. The
0:21:26 > 0:21:33bits that we can see that keep this building habitable...It's not often
0:21:33 > 0:21:37a reality TV star is called to give evidence in front of a Parliamentary
0:21:37 > 0:21:42committee. But on Tuesday, Katie price appeared before MPs to make an
0:21:42 > 0:21:45impassioned plea for criminal action to be taken against malicious
0:21:45 > 0:21:51trolling on social media. She has long campaigned on behalf of her son
0:21:51 > 0:21:54Harvey, who has a series of disabilities.This is what worries
0:21:54 > 0:22:08me. To even doubt... the someone has taken the time to mock his picture
0:22:08 > 0:22:16on it, mock words, and I mean, is that normal? And it happens a lot. A
0:22:16 > 0:22:23lot. What I'm thinking is, it's bad, but what goes through peoples heads
0:22:23 > 0:22:29so that people's heads... I've got loads of gatherings together and I
0:22:29 > 0:22:34went to the police. I went to the police twice, they've arrested two
0:22:34 > 0:22:38people, got all of their computers, phones and everything. And the
0:22:38 > 0:22:41police were embarrassed because it got to a point where they couldn't
0:22:41 > 0:22:45take it any further because they couldn't charge them with anything,
0:22:45 > 0:22:49because there's nothing in place. They had to drop the cases, and
0:22:49 > 0:23:00since then, its continued -- it has continued. It's getting worse.It's
0:23:00 > 0:23:07not just us it affects, we know by the amount of contact that we've had
0:23:07 > 0:23:14from people is that everyone, it's from children to adults...You think
0:23:14 > 0:23:19you know why he is singled out? Is it because of his disabilities? Is
0:23:19 > 0:23:26he subject to racial abuse?It's a lot of racial abuse. I think they
0:23:26 > 0:23:31find him an easy target to pick on. But I'm his voice, and I'm going to
0:23:31 > 0:23:37protect him.Wouldn't you want to happen to the?If you are going to
0:23:37 > 0:23:44be a nanny, you get police checked. They want to know your address, they
0:23:44 > 0:23:51want to know all the information. So you if you pave your carpets,... It
0:23:51 > 0:23:54say someone came to you for an interview and you let that person
0:23:54 > 0:24:06and said, guess, I will take on. You realise that the that the dot -- you
0:24:06 > 0:24:11realise that they had a history of online abuse. This is the point.
0:24:11 > 0:24:16Something on the record, basically. Keeping in mind, this is my point of
0:24:16 > 0:24:22view. You are allowed your free speech, and you can have banter, you
0:24:22 > 0:24:27can say your point of view about things. But there is a point,
0:24:27 > 0:24:31hopefully the next discussion of it, where you sit down and draw a line,
0:24:31 > 0:24:37when does it become a criminal offence.It's taken off and it's the
0:24:37 > 0:24:41way it's going to go in the future. With a lot of things. It's got to be
0:24:41 > 0:24:46policed a bit more now. There has to be lost put in place, and guidelines
0:24:46 > 0:24:52to what you can and can't do. And as she was touching him, freedom of
0:24:52 > 0:24:57speech, that still important, but there's got to be guidelines online
0:24:57 > 0:25:02as there are off-line.Do the two you viewed there is a gap in the
0:25:02 > 0:25:11law?Completely. I mean, like I say, in my petition, I got 200,000
0:25:11 > 0:25:15signatures, and people said, I don't like you, which is not very nice, we
0:25:15 > 0:25:19are not fans of years, we don't like you but what you are doing we think
0:25:19 > 0:25:25is amazing because it will help a lot of people. I know you lot
0:25:25 > 0:25:29sitting there agree with me, really. I think everyone agrees. This is the
0:25:29 > 0:25:37thing. It's a no-brainer. Only one I've ever spoken to has not agreed.
0:25:37 > 0:25:43We just have to get the Government to do it. It is that the dot help
0:25:43 > 0:25:51everyone.That's all we've got time for. From me, Mandy Baker, goodbye.