30/10/2015

:00:00. > :00:00.Hello, it's Friday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling,

:00:07. > :00:21.Britain's last remaining detainee at Guantanamo Bay, is released.

:00:22. > :00:25.I can confirm he is on his way back to the UK and he will arrive in

:00:26. > :00:26.Britain later today. That was the Home Secretary,

:00:27. > :00:28.Philip Hammond, announcing We'll bring you the latest

:00:29. > :00:32.on this developing story. Also ahead - the abuse scandal at

:00:33. > :00:35.Winterbourne View leads to changes in the way those with learning

:00:36. > :00:39.difficulties are cared for. Numbers

:00:40. > :00:41.of hospital beds will be halved to We'll discuss if it'll work and

:00:42. > :00:48.if there's enough funding. New laws come in to change the way

:00:49. > :00:51.health professionals report signs of female genital mutiliation - we have

:00:52. > :00:54.a special report highlighting the At the moment, we are seeing 40 a

:00:55. > :01:10.week. But that is growing. Welcome to the programme,

:01:11. > :01:26.we're on BBC Two and the BBC News We are bringing you the breaking

:01:27. > :01:28.news that the last British detailing at Guantanamo Bay has been released.

:01:29. > :01:42.We will bring reaction throughout the morning. We are keen to have you

:01:43. > :01:44.get in touch with us. Texts will be charged

:01:45. > :01:53.at the standard network rate. Shaker Aamer is flying back to the

:01:54. > :02:01.UK right now. after 13 years in detention at the

:02:02. > :02:05.Guantanomo Bay detention centre. We heard he'd left

:02:06. > :02:08.a US military base in Cuba, heading This release at last,

:02:09. > :02:12.after a long campaign, many appeals Shaker Aamer was arrested

:02:13. > :02:15.in 2002 after maintaining he was He has never been charged or put

:02:16. > :02:18.on trial. He has four children and has

:02:19. > :02:21.permission to live indefinitely in We've been following

:02:22. > :02:27.his story here on the programme. Last week we heard from him

:02:28. > :02:29.about his hopes for freedom. His thoughts were relayed to

:02:30. > :02:32.his lawyer inside Guantanamo Bay His words are spoken for him -

:02:33. > :02:50.and just to warn you, I am not getting my hopes up about

:02:51. > :02:55.being back in the UK. I will believe it when I get there. There have been

:02:56. > :03:00.so many false promises over the years. They told me over eight years

:03:01. > :03:07.ago I was cleared to leave and here I am, still here. 239 is my prison

:03:08. > :03:12.number and they always call me buy it. I am not sure I would know to

:03:13. > :03:20.respond to anything else. Like my name, Shaker. I have known nothing

:03:21. > :03:26.about the real-world for more than 13 years. I am grateful to people

:03:27. > :03:33.supporting me in the UK, including MPs, well-known people. I hear you

:03:34. > :03:38.are offering to take on my hunger strike. Be careful, hunger strike is

:03:39. > :03:43.not fun. It is not easy to hurt yourself. I am not in good shape but

:03:44. > :03:49.I do not trust medical staff an inch. I told them I cannot tell the

:03:50. > :04:03.difference between you and the ones, when the Americans took me to

:04:04. > :04:07.Bagram. I know one thing about you, you just follow orders. Not

:04:08. > :04:13.instructions for a patient. You want me to trust you, take off the

:04:14. > :04:16.uniform and let me meet you in the room, where the guards are not

:04:17. > :04:21.listening into everything I say. You want me to trust you? If I ask for

:04:22. > :04:29.medicine and let me have it, rather than saying the rules and orders do

:04:30. > :04:34.not allow it. The prison has not gone back to a mass hunger strike

:04:35. > :04:39.yet, but that might happen. There are seven men who are on long-term

:04:40. > :04:47.hunger strike. Some people in camp six reject one meal a day in

:04:48. > :04:51.protest. The authorities said they will reinstitute searches because

:04:52. > :04:56.somebody hit something in private parts. That is not true. It is

:04:57. > :04:59.because there are new escort teams and they are going back to making

:05:00. > :05:07.the same mistakes, which they made in the past. Having that forced down

:05:08. > :05:13.your throat and pulled out twice a day is horrible. I have not been

:05:14. > :05:17.force-fed for a while, but I still have a phantom sensation of the

:05:18. > :05:23.tube. It feels like it is always there. It is a mistake to think

:05:24. > :05:27.people here hate Americans. Many of the detailing these here hate the

:05:28. > :05:32.American government, but even the hard-core people here are thankful

:05:33. > :05:43.of what people like the lawyers are trying to do -- detainees. I heard

:05:44. > :05:48.said once by an American, I love my country, it is my government I don't

:05:49. > :05:55.trust. Even Americans sometimes feel the same way. There is not a lot to

:05:56. > :06:00.read here, these days. I have been reading Good Housekeeping magazine.

:06:01. > :06:05.I am trying to do yoga. It makes me feel young, at least for a little

:06:06. > :06:10.while. I cry when I read about all the people who are trying to help

:06:11. > :06:18.me. All of you people have helped me to feel that I am not all alone. I

:06:19. > :06:23.read Inferno by Dan Browne. They called that struck. The worst

:06:24. > :06:28.sickness to hit the world is denial. The only solution is justice. All I

:06:29. > :06:40.have asked for is justice. Hate me. Only be just. Everybody, they have

:06:41. > :06:41.helped the whole world and thereby helped themselves.

:06:42. > :06:53.He and his supporters doubted he would be released but he is on his

:06:54. > :06:58.way back. It has been a long process. He was held at Guantanamo

:06:59. > :07:04.Bay over 13 years. Initially captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and

:07:05. > :07:11.was then handed to the Americans and transferred to Guantanamo Bay in

:07:12. > :07:14.2002. US documents allege he was a close associate of Osama Bin Laden.

:07:15. > :07:19.That is something he has always denied. He said he went to

:07:20. > :07:23.Afghanistan to do charity work. He was never charged, never face trial,

:07:24. > :07:28.and there has been a campaign to free him. The announcement he would

:07:29. > :07:35.be released came on the 25th of September. There was a 30 day period

:07:36. > :07:39.during which US Congress could review the decision. When Shaker

:07:40. > :07:43.Aamer was told about that decision in September, he told this programme

:07:44. > :07:48.through those letters that he was not getting his hopes up because he

:07:49. > :07:52.had been told he would be freed twice before, and since 2007 there

:07:53. > :07:58.had been two occasions he was cleared for release by US presidents

:07:59. > :08:07.and it did not happen and now it has and we have the confirmation from

:08:08. > :08:12.Philip Hammond. It is not clear what will happen when the aircraft lands,

:08:13. > :08:18.somewhere near London. We expect he will be reunited with his family. He

:08:19. > :08:22.is married, he has a British wife, four children. His youngest child

:08:23. > :08:28.has never met him. His supporters say it will take a long time for him

:08:29. > :08:32.to recover, physically and emotionally. Again in those letters

:08:33. > :08:37.we heard extracts from he spoke about having to readjust, from being

:08:38. > :08:41.prisoner number 239 to being himself again. We can talk to one of those

:08:42. > :08:43.who has campaigned for his release. Andy Worthington is director of the

:08:44. > :08:52.campaign group Stand With Shaker. Thank you for joining us. I spoke to

:08:53. > :08:57.you a couple of weeks ago and he did not believe this would certainly

:08:58. > :09:03.happen. What are your thoughts now? I am delighted, of course. It is

:09:04. > :09:08.almost 14 years since he lost his liberty to the United States. All

:09:09. > :09:12.those years without charge or trial. It is a day for justice he is

:09:13. > :09:19.finally being freed. He was cleared first in 2000 seven, per release,

:09:20. > :09:23.why has it taken so long? It is appalling to think eight years ago

:09:24. > :09:26.the US authorities said they did not want to hold him and it has taken

:09:27. > :09:30.all this time. One thing that happened over several years was they

:09:31. > :09:35.were wondering whether they could return him to his country of birth,

:09:36. > :09:39.Saudi Arabia, rather than the UK, where his British wife and children

:09:40. > :09:44.live and where he was given leave to remain. I've don't think that was

:09:45. > :09:48.something that would have been acceptable, but it was discussed. I

:09:49. > :09:54.think he was held because he was going to embarrass them. That is a

:09:55. > :09:58.sign how fundamentally lawless Lantana is. There is no process of

:09:59. > :10:04.being released that isn't political, so they decided to hold him because

:10:05. > :10:09.he is eloquent and outspoken. He has always resisted the injustices of

:10:10. > :10:12.the war on terror and told the authorities that loudly and

:10:13. > :10:17.repeatedly and they feared he would embarrass them if release. It is a

:10:18. > :10:25.sad state of affairs. We have just been hearing his words, spoken for

:10:26. > :10:33.him by N actor. He has been on hunger strike, what condition will

:10:34. > :10:39.he be in? We understand he is not very well. We had an analysis by an

:10:40. > :10:43.independent medical expert who came away with a shopping list of

:10:44. > :10:49.complaints, physically and mentally, ailments he has. Mentally he always

:10:50. > :10:54.sounds buoyant. I am sure he will do what he can. The adjustment is going

:10:55. > :11:00.to be difficult after so many years. The physical problems he has

:11:01. > :11:05.will have to be addressed immediately and I am hoping he will

:11:06. > :11:10.be left in peace to get the medical care and psychological care he

:11:11. > :11:18.needs. Has he been aware of the level of support he has had? I think

:11:19. > :11:22.he has been told that by his lawyers on visits, whenever his lawyers have

:11:23. > :11:28.been able to get information to him, they have made it clear. I

:11:29. > :11:32.think he knows. I do not know whether within Guantanamo Bay he

:11:33. > :11:36.would be clear how much it has been discussed at such a high level. This

:11:37. > :11:42.has gone up to the Prime Minister. Guantanamo Bay is such a closed

:11:43. > :11:46.place, it is easy for people to get trapped in there and forget about

:11:47. > :11:52.the outside world. I am sure he will be delighted to hear what has been

:11:53. > :11:58.happening. How and why did you get involved? I have been involved in

:11:59. > :12:02.the campaign to" Alamo Bay for almost 12 years -- Guantanamo Bay. I

:12:03. > :12:07.wrote about it as an independent researcher for a book. I concluded

:12:08. > :12:12.it was a terrible mistake and the majority of people held were bought

:12:13. > :12:19.the bounty payments and the majority had nothing to do with any military

:12:20. > :12:23.activity or terrorism absolutely. I became involved in the campaign to

:12:24. > :12:29.try to get British prisoners released because that was something

:12:30. > :12:35.I could do by being here in the UK. And so the campaign for Shaker Aamer

:12:36. > :12:42.has gone on and it has taken the most extraordinary pressure to get

:12:43. > :12:47.this point when he is coming home. What do you say to people who say he

:12:48. > :12:55.could not have been held this long if he is an innocent man? The

:12:56. > :13:03.problem is Guantanamo Bay is a place where guilt was presumed that the

:13:04. > :13:10.moment of capture. It is profoundly shocking to realise what they did

:13:11. > :13:13.was they tortured and abused prisoners so they would make false

:13:14. > :13:18.statements incriminating each other. That is the bottom line. It is not

:13:19. > :13:24.just true in the case of Shaker Aamer. This is a story repeated over

:13:25. > :13:29.and again. I don't mean to say they have not had a handful of people

:13:30. > :13:35.accused of terrorism, that is true, but it is an extremely small number.

:13:36. > :13:41.They have had hundreds of people held who are accused of being

:13:42. > :13:46.involved with the Taliban, but also over the years there have been

:13:47. > :13:51.people swept up because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time

:13:52. > :13:56.and because the US was paying bounty payments to Afghan and Pakistani

:13:57. > :14:03.allies. A significant amount of money to hand over people they could

:14:04. > :14:07.dress up as Taliban or Al-Qaeda. Clearly that happen to a majority of

:14:08. > :14:13.people held. They were not captured by the United States on the

:14:14. > :14:15.battlefield as we were told by the George Bush administration. Some

:14:16. > :14:21.people getting in touch with the programme are asking why Britain

:14:22. > :14:27.should have supported him in the way they have, he is not British? He was

:14:28. > :14:34.given permanent leave to remain. His wife and children are British. The

:14:35. > :14:38.obligation is on this country to fulfil its obligations. I do not

:14:39. > :14:43.think there is any question the United Kingdom was in any position

:14:44. > :14:48.to abdicate its responsibilities. Finally, you describe the condition

:14:49. > :14:54.you expect him to be in. You say he has been upbeat. Will he be able to

:14:55. > :15:00.reintegrate into society having been incarcerated for so long? I am sure

:15:01. > :15:06.the process of him adjusting to society is going to be difficult in

:15:07. > :15:13.so many ways. He has always struck me, and you will have heard from his

:15:14. > :15:17.words, as somebody who is capable of standing up for himself and will

:15:18. > :15:21.want to talk about what has happened to him, want to be involved in not

:15:22. > :15:27.just getting to go his family, but finding out all that he has missed,

:15:28. > :15:31.working to get Guantanamo Bay closed and free people still held there. He

:15:32. > :15:37.will be carrying the scars of the damage inflicted on him. A period of

:15:38. > :15:38.adjustment I am sure is going to be required to put pieces back together

:15:39. > :15:44.again. Thank you very much, Andy

:15:45. > :15:48.Worthington. Thanks for joining us today -

:15:49. > :15:50.still to come. The abuse scandal at

:15:51. > :15:54.Winterbourne View care home leads to changes in the way we care for those

:15:55. > :15:58.with learning difficulties. We'll discuss if they will work

:15:59. > :16:01.and if there's enough funding. And a police force trials asking

:16:02. > :16:04.victims report crimes on Skype. It's hoped to put more bobbies

:16:05. > :16:07.on the beat, but is it a sign of The Foreign Office has confirmed

:16:08. > :16:22.that Shaker Aamer, the last British resident held

:16:23. > :16:25.at Guantanamo Bay, has been released The 46 year old has been held

:16:26. > :16:31.in the the military prison in Cuba since 2002 but has never been

:16:32. > :16:40.charged or put on trial. Human rights campaigners have

:16:41. > :16:44.welcomed his release. It is nearly 14 years since Shaker lost his

:16:45. > :16:48.liberty to the United States. All those years without charge or trial.

:16:49. > :16:50.It is a day for justice that he is finally being freed.

:16:51. > :16:53.The NHS has announced that the number of hospital beds

:16:54. > :16:54.in England for people with learning disabilities

:16:55. > :16:58.NHS England is shifting them from specialist hospitals to being

:16:59. > :17:03.The move is in response to the abuse scandal exposed by the BBC

:17:04. > :17:07.A 16-year-old boy is due to appear in court in Aberdeen today,

:17:08. > :17:10.charged in connection with the death of another boy who was

:17:11. > :17:14.The first talks bringing together all foreign powers backing rival

:17:15. > :17:16.sides in Syria's civil war are getting

:17:17. > :17:29.The talks will seek to close the gap between the US and

:17:30. > :17:32.the Syrian government, Russia and Iran.

:17:33. > :17:34.Police have arrested a second teenage boy in connection

:17:35. > :17:36.with the investigation into alleged data theft from TalkTalk.

:17:37. > :17:39.A 16-year-old boy from Feltham in South West London was arrested

:17:40. > :17:42.on suspicion of Computer Misuse Act Offences.

:17:43. > :17:51.Victims of crime are being asked to talk to police on Skype instead of

:17:52. > :17:55.having officers visit their home. The trial launched by Cambridge

:17:56. > :17:57.police in Peterborough on Wednesday aims to provide more flexibility for

:17:58. > :17:58.victims as well as allowing better response times.

:17:59. > :18:01.Let's catch up with all the sport now.

:18:02. > :18:08.Good morning. Talking gymnastics this morning because Great Britain

:18:09. > :18:13.have been rewriting the history books at the world Championships.

:18:14. > :18:16.Both the men's and women's teams won their first-ever team medals this

:18:17. > :18:22.week, silver and bronze respectively, and 16-year-old Ellie

:18:23. > :18:25.Downey, after falling off her very first apparatus on the way to a

:18:26. > :18:29.bronze medal, which was the uneven bars, she regained her composure

:18:30. > :18:33.over the next apparatus. It was her decisive vault that ensured a podium

:18:34. > :18:38.finish for the women's team. We will be speaking to her big sister Vicky,

:18:39. > :18:45.who is also in the women's team -- Becky. Chelsea's former team Doctor

:18:46. > :18:49.Eva Carneiro will be seeking a claim against the club for constructive

:18:50. > :18:52.dismissal. It revolves around the first game of the season when

:18:53. > :19:01.manager Jose Mourinho criticised her and the head physio John Fearn when

:19:02. > :19:05.they dealt with a player injury. Eva Carneiro was dropped from first-team

:19:06. > :19:09.duties. As we understand it's Chelsea have been served with legal

:19:10. > :19:13.papers this week. The head of world rugby has said that this was the

:19:14. > :19:16.biggest and best tournament ever, we will hear more from him later in the

:19:17. > :19:24.morning and what he says the tournament has generated, record

:19:25. > :19:30.profits. Let's bring you a statement from the human rights legal charity

:19:31. > :19:35.Retrieve on the release of Shaker Aamer who is currently on his way,

:19:36. > :19:44.heading to England, due to arrive at around 1:30pm, having been released

:19:45. > :19:47.from Guantanamo after 14 years. The strategic director of Retrieve has

:19:48. > :19:51.put out a statement saying, we are delighted to Shaker is on his way

:19:52. > :19:56.back home to his family here in the UK. It is long past time. Shaker

:19:57. > :19:57.needs to see a doctor and get time to spend alone with his family as

:19:58. > :20:00.the. We're talking

:20:01. > :20:02.about the sensitive issue of female There were more than 1,000 new

:20:03. > :20:06.recorded cases of female genital mutilation

:20:07. > :20:09.in England between April and June. It is illegal in the UK and it is

:20:10. > :20:13.illegal to take someone abroad to And from tomorrow if someone

:20:14. > :20:16.like a doctor, a nurse or a social worker suspects

:20:17. > :20:20.a girl under 18 has suffered FGM Until now these there was a just

:20:21. > :20:27.a duty to tell social services. The hope being that this will deter

:20:28. > :20:31.the practice and could lead to the Our reporter Catrin Nye has been to

:20:32. > :20:36.meet women who have survived FGM. As you might expect her film coming

:20:37. > :20:39.up contains frank and graphic If you've got young children

:20:40. > :20:43.with you watching you might The film is seven minutes long

:20:44. > :20:51.if you don't want to watch it. Female genital mutilation consists

:20:52. > :20:53.of partial or total removal Part of the genitalia

:20:54. > :21:04.in women are cut, removed, sutured. It usually happens in a group

:21:05. > :21:07.of girls. It varies according

:21:08. > :21:15.to tribal custom. They are pinned down

:21:16. > :21:17.by family members they trust, The labia minora, the labia majora

:21:18. > :21:24.andclitoris is totally removed. And then

:21:25. > :21:29.the residual tissue is sewn across It is left with a small opening

:21:30. > :21:36.and sometimes not even a matchstick Through which

:21:37. > :21:40.the woman is capable of passing It is something I have to live

:21:41. > :21:51.with the rest of my life. And hence again why I don't

:21:52. > :21:54.want anyone else hearing another Leyla had FGM in Somalia

:21:55. > :22:01.as a child before moving to the UK. It wasn't until she had a baby

:22:02. > :22:04.she found out it wasn't normal. FGM has been illegal in the UK

:22:05. > :22:09.since 1985. But no one has ever

:22:10. > :22:16.been convicted it. Seeing this for the first time,

:22:17. > :22:18.at medical lectures, I have had people being sick in the

:22:19. > :22:24.audience because it was too much. In many countries in Africa,

:22:25. > :22:27.FGM is the norm for women. Exact figures on female genital

:22:28. > :22:39.mutilation in the UK are impossible A recent study estimated 127,000

:22:40. > :22:47.women who come to live in England and Wales are living with

:22:48. > :22:52.the consequences of FGM. Another 10,000 girls are

:22:53. > :22:55.likely to have had it. Now if a girl under 18 comes

:22:56. > :22:59.into this north London hospital or any hospital,

:23:00. > :23:01.and the staff see or are told she Teachers and social workers will

:23:02. > :23:08.also have to report to police. Campaigner Leyla has

:23:09. > :23:12.come to speak to staff. Gayle and Amina run a specialist FGM

:23:13. > :23:26.clinic. If another member of staff sees FGM

:23:27. > :23:29.they will tell these specialists. At the moment we are seeing 40

:23:30. > :23:33.a week. Especially with

:23:34. > :23:36.the current awareness, I guess, How do you feel

:23:37. > :23:44.about the fact that now, rather than contacting social services

:23:45. > :23:47.if you see a child with FGM, you are I have been saying to health

:23:48. > :24:03.professionals, you shouldn't feel anxious about reporting

:24:04. > :24:04.because it supports you. already if you discover a girl who

:24:05. > :24:09.is under 18 who has had FGM. This is a medical environment

:24:10. > :24:12.and there is confidentiality Do you worry about people seeing

:24:13. > :24:16.you as an arm of the police? No,

:24:17. > :24:18.if you are under 18 you are a child, We are here to support the women

:24:19. > :24:24.and be an advocate for the women. The thing that worries me is that

:24:25. > :24:28.for the first time, we are really cutting right across

:24:29. > :24:31.the principle of confidentiality for Junior and even senior doctors are

:24:32. > :24:41.deficient in their knowledge So without extensive re-education,

:24:42. > :24:45.I don't think this is really going Do you think your attitude

:24:46. > :24:55.is slightly defeatist? Why do you think some health-care

:24:56. > :25:04.professionals, experts in FGM, I think it comes

:25:05. > :25:10.down to not really understanding how You would report to me

:25:11. > :25:20.if I took my daughter to the hospital and her arm or finger was

:25:21. > :25:24.cut off, you would have to report me, so why is that any different to

:25:25. > :25:28.when her genital is cut off? I want to ask that health

:25:29. > :25:31.professional who is resistant to It is an offence in the UK for any

:25:32. > :25:43.person, whatever their nationality, to perform FGM here, assist a girl

:25:44. > :25:47.to perform FGM and to assist FGM It is also an offence for a UK

:25:48. > :25:52.national or resident to perform FGM abroad or assist

:25:53. > :25:56.a girl to perform FGM abroad. It is now also an offence to fail to

:25:57. > :26:00.protect girls at risk of FGM, which carries a maximum sentence

:26:01. > :26:03.of seven years in prison. This applies to parents

:26:04. > :26:07.and guardians of the girl. If this works, how would you feel

:26:08. > :26:10.if and when you see this first I would

:26:11. > :26:19.like to see cutters go to prison. I mean, if I had to be very honest,

:26:20. > :26:24.because for cutters, they know the implications that they

:26:25. > :26:33.are causing on these girls. And I think by having a cutter being

:26:34. > :26:37.put away, it will send a big message to the practising community,

:26:38. > :26:41.but also cutters out there. And

:26:42. > :26:44.if you see a parent go to prison? I would be very sad about it,

:26:45. > :26:52.because especially if it was a mother, because I know the mother

:26:53. > :26:55.is also a victim of this. The child always has to come

:26:56. > :27:01.first in this situation. The hope for those who back this

:27:02. > :27:07.change is it helps prevention sending out a stronger message FGM

:27:08. > :27:13.is not acceptable. Most of all these

:27:14. > :27:15.specialists say they want people to stop hiding the problem

:27:16. > :27:18.so women can get help and stop The sad thing is there are probably

:27:19. > :27:27.children out there who have suffered harm that we are not going to know

:27:28. > :27:29.about, And there may be children out there

:27:30. > :27:33.suffering from those complications and the

:27:34. > :27:38.parents are afraid to come forward because of the possibility of being

:27:39. > :27:43.convicted, and that is even sadder. To those mothers I say it is

:27:44. > :27:45.your duty to protect You don't want to see

:27:46. > :28:05.your child going through pain, Lots of you getting in touch. Karl

:28:06. > :28:11.on Facebook says, it must stop, it horrifies me. Bernie says, thanks

:28:12. > :28:15.for this information, I never had a proper explanation of what happened

:28:16. > :28:19.before. Utterly horrifying and inhuman. I don't know how it can be

:28:20. > :28:28.policed or stopped but keep up the publicity. This one says, nobody

:28:29. > :28:32.with Shaker Aamer being released, but let's remember, it is the US

:28:33. > :28:37.that took him, not us, so I do not expect to hear that we will pay him

:28:38. > :28:40.compensation. May says, this is disgraceful, he should be going back

:28:41. > :28:44.to Afghanistan. It will be interesting to see how much he has

:28:45. > :28:49.cost our country and how much he and his family will cost us. Darren

:28:50. > :28:52.says, how can Shaker Aamer not be bitter after being held in

:28:53. > :28:57.Guantanamo? If not, you must be strong. This one says, he is not

:28:58. > :29:04.British, he is a Saudi. His release to this country will cost a

:29:05. > :29:06.fortune. Always good to hear from you.

:29:07. > :29:09.There are to be very big changes in the way the NHS treats

:29:10. > :29:14.and cares for people with learning disabilities and autism.

:29:15. > :29:16.Within three years, NHS England will cut by half the

:29:17. > :29:20.The money saved will then be spent on creating community facilities -

:29:21. > :29:23.that is, helping people to stay out of institutions.

:29:24. > :29:26.This move is a response to the abuse scandal at

:29:27. > :29:29.Winterbourne View - where a BBC Panorama investigation exposed the

:29:30. > :29:31.physical and psychological abuse of people with learning disabilities.

:29:32. > :29:43.It might seem unbelievable now, but this is how we used to look after

:29:44. > :29:49.Locked up in what were called asylums up and

:29:50. > :29:55.down the country, often with little chance of ever being let out.

:29:56. > :29:58.I've been asked to tell you just a little about this new plan

:29:59. > :30:05.After the Second World War the NHS was created,

:30:06. > :30:09.and by the 1970s asylums and long-stay hospitals were closing,

:30:10. > :30:14.with the idea of better services in the community being born.

:30:15. > :30:17.But many with learning disabilities were still placed

:30:18. > :30:20.in large residential hospitals or homes, often miles away

:30:21. > :30:26.There were a series of scandals; in Cornwall in 2006, in London,

:30:27. > :30:34.and perhaps most shockingly Winterbourne View in 2011.

:30:35. > :30:36.The BBC programme Panorama sent an undercover reporter into

:30:37. > :30:41.Patients were being kicked and slapped.

:30:42. > :30:51.In the end Winterbourne View was closed.

:30:52. > :30:56.11 staff were convicted, six went to prison.

:30:57. > :30:58.The government promised things would change, but deadlines and targets

:30:59. > :31:02.were missed, and even now thousands with learning disabilities

:31:03. > :31:08.and autism are still being cared for in those large residential homes.

:31:09. > :31:10.At the last count 3,230 in England alone.

:31:11. > :31:18.Well, campaigners want much more community care.

:31:19. > :31:20.Individual flats like this one, on residential streets with support

:31:21. > :31:24.It's an idea NHS England now says it will put into practice

:31:25. > :31:31.And after decades of failure, can people with learning disabilities

:31:32. > :31:41.and their families now really trust the authorities to get it right?

:31:42. > :31:45.Let's talk to Karen Flood, who is Co-Chair of the National Learning

:31:46. > :31:47.Disability Board and has learning disabilities herself and Bill who

:31:48. > :31:52.also has learning disabilities - they're in Liverpool.

:31:53. > :31:55.And in the studio Sir Stephen Bubb - who led a review into the future

:31:56. > :31:58.of services for people with learning disabilities

:31:59. > :32:01.and Ray James, President of the Association of Directors of

:32:02. > :32:08.Adult Social Services who consulted on these NHS England plans.

:32:09. > :32:15.Thank you for joining us. Bill, you spend 25 years in an institution

:32:16. > :32:31.from the age of 28, what was your experience? It was as if you did not

:32:32. > :32:41.exist. You did not feel human. You did not feel you existed. It was

:32:42. > :32:48.just... It was like living in hell. What was it that made you feel like

:32:49. > :32:59.that? It was the way the staff treated you. They treated you like

:33:00. > :33:03.you were... You did not exist. They knew they could do whatever they

:33:04. > :33:09.wanted and there would be no comeback. What sort of things did

:33:10. > :33:16.you experience? One of the main things was, which happened to me,

:33:17. > :33:23.worse when we were going for showers. The staff would put a knot

:33:24. > :33:34.in the towel. When you were coming out of the shower, they would whip

:33:35. > :33:39.you. Why would they do that? Because they liked doing it. They got away

:33:40. > :33:44.with it. They got away with it. Nobody would do anything about it.

:33:45. > :33:56.They could abuse and nothing would happen. How did you react? I got to

:33:57. > :34:08.the point where I started using my fists. I decided if I wanted to get

:34:09. > :34:18.anywhere, I needed to become as non-feeling as they did. I cut all

:34:19. > :34:30.feelings. I became what they were. It was not a nice site. -- sight.

:34:31. > :34:35.You were nodding as Bill was talking. Does he describe situations

:34:36. > :34:40.you have heard time and again? Yes because some people who have told me

:34:41. > :34:44.what has happened in the past, like if they wanted a meal, they had to

:34:45. > :34:52.fight with each other. Or who is the quickest to get to the table? That

:34:53. > :34:58.is not right. Also, inspections, I have done them, I met a gentleman

:34:59. > :35:04.tied to a chair. When I came to see him one time he was tied to a

:35:05. > :35:10.wheelchair. The gentleman was deaf, could not see, could not do anything

:35:11. > :35:15.for himself. When I asked to see his bedroom, the support was not there

:35:16. > :35:20.to help him turn over. He was put in a straitjacket in his bed. That is

:35:21. > :35:26.not life. That happened a good few years ago. People think things got

:35:27. > :35:32.better, things never got better. There is abuse still going on today.

:35:33. > :35:39.The only way it will get better is by us all working and supporting

:35:40. > :35:43.each other. This is why we want our people out of these places. Because

:35:44. > :35:46.they have a right to have a life like everybody else, to live in the

:35:47. > :35:52.community, to have the support they deserve. They have never committed a

:35:53. > :35:58.crime. We seem to give the wrong people the support. We seem to give

:35:59. > :36:04.paedophiles, sex offenders more support than we give our own people,

:36:05. > :36:11.and victims. Things have got to change, it has got to get better. In

:36:12. > :36:16.2014, you wrote a report criticising the care people receive and called

:36:17. > :36:26.the change. Why has it taken so long? It is a very good question. My

:36:27. > :36:38.report was clear about the need to close these is and scale up to

:36:39. > :36:46.Trinity prevention. It is the -- community prevention. What has been

:36:47. > :36:49.a dismal failure, is after the Winterbourne View scandal there is

:36:50. > :36:55.still the same number of people, nothing has happened. I think the

:36:56. > :37:00.plan announced today by NHS England stars have... It will deliver the

:37:01. > :37:05.closure of institutions and the scaling up of community provisions.

:37:06. > :37:12.We may get a turning point. There will be scepticism from families and

:37:13. > :37:17.people with learning disabilities because of failures in the past. I

:37:18. > :37:21.think we have the plan and we may see institutions closed. They are

:37:22. > :37:27.going to close the biggest NHS hospital. They are going to work

:37:28. > :37:32.with charities to build up immunity provision. I am confident but I

:37:33. > :37:37.realise there is scepticism. You co-authored the NHS report, Ray

:37:38. > :37:42.James. Why should people have faith it will be better? This is a

:37:43. > :37:47.statement of intent that acknowledges things have not been

:37:48. > :37:50.good enough and it has caused people to make sure we come together and

:37:51. > :37:55.ensure people with learning disabilities can lead independent

:37:56. > :38:00.lives in their communities, close to their families, and not in

:38:01. > :38:04.hospitals, but in homes. There will still be people going into these

:38:05. > :38:10.institutions. The numbers are being halved, what is to say it will not

:38:11. > :38:14.carry on? While the numbers will halve, the intention is if someone

:38:15. > :38:19.needs treat and it will be for shorter periods of time. Part of the

:38:20. > :38:23.plan is working with the Care Quality Commission. We want to see

:38:24. > :38:28.more people like Karen, who are able to go and be quality checkers and

:38:29. > :38:33.volunteer and to tell us what they think the services like, so there is

:38:34. > :38:36.a range of people monitoring. Ultimately, I think society is

:38:37. > :38:41.waking up to the fact we have not done right people with learning

:38:42. > :38:45.disabilities and we all need to play our part. What is the length of time

:38:46. > :38:53.somebody should spend in these places? Bill, 25 years. That should

:38:54. > :38:58.not be the case. We should be talking about weeks and months, not

:38:59. > :39:05.years. Karen, do you have faith things will change in the

:39:06. > :39:08.institutions that remain? Yes. We have people with learning

:39:09. > :39:13.disabilities in paid jobs, doing this work, as well. Also we have

:39:14. > :39:18.brought in independent people with learning disabilities, and family

:39:19. > :39:23.members. The national Forum, the family Forum, are working together

:39:24. > :39:28.with them. There are too many people. Jane, Francis, a lot of

:39:29. > :39:33.other people, who have listened to what we have had to say, they have

:39:34. > :39:39.gone out there, not sat behind the desk, they have gone out and done

:39:40. > :39:45.their job. They support it 150%. It can only get better, not worse. Our

:39:46. > :39:49.people will not re-stuck in these places for the rest of their lives,

:39:50. > :39:55.thank God. Bill, you are in a place of your own and someone comes to

:39:56. > :40:01.help you. What difference has it made to your life? It has made a

:40:02. > :40:06.great difference. I can do what I want, go where I want, get up when I

:40:07. > :40:14.want, where I want. I can eat what I want. Also, I can choose when I want

:40:15. > :40:21.support. I can ring up my supporters and go, look, I am not feeling too

:40:22. > :40:29.good today, can we rearrange? Usually, yes. We can change the

:40:30. > :40:38.dates to when I want support, not when it is pushed on me. Thank you

:40:39. > :40:42.very much, all of you. A lot of you getting in touch. Steve on Twitter

:40:43. > :40:48.said Bill's story is not unusual and you still see the symptoms of

:40:49. > :40:52.institutionalisation today. Another said good to see Winterbourne View

:40:53. > :40:58.back on the agenda, a situation beyond resolved. Another asks

:40:59. > :41:02.community care is the cost, where is the money coming from?

:41:03. > :41:05.Would you be happy to talk to police about a crime via Skype

:41:06. > :41:17.The constabulary is hoping it will help reduce response times. Linking

:41:18. > :41:19.up with officers over the internet rather than visiting people at their

:41:20. > :41:22.homes. Here with me in the studio is

:41:23. > :41:25.Lucy Hastings, director of Bedfordshire Police

:41:26. > :41:27.and Crime Commissioner Olly Martins He suggested his force

:41:28. > :41:31.start using Skype two years ago. And Labour MP for

:41:32. > :41:42.Cambridge Daniel Zeichner is Thank you very much for joining us.

:41:43. > :41:48.What do you think about the idea of Skype? I think technology is part of

:41:49. > :41:53.everyday life and if people have a choice to report they cried and talk

:41:54. > :41:59.to an officer through Skype, that should be their choice. Clearly, if

:42:00. > :42:03.they are vulnerable, emotional, and the crime has highly impacted on

:42:04. > :42:07.them, they should have a choice to speak face-to-face. People might be

:42:08. > :42:11.concerned they will end up not having that choice and there is

:42:12. > :42:15.pressure to use Skype and some will not have access. A lot of people

:42:16. > :42:21.have access but I would like it to be a choice. Some people do not have

:42:22. > :42:26.access and it is enabling people to decide whether it is face-to-face

:42:27. > :42:31.contact or by the phone, or it is on Skype. People do use Skype

:42:32. > :42:35.regularly. It is a way of being able to speak to a police officer and it

:42:36. > :42:41.is whatever the follow-up is appropriate to how they have been

:42:42. > :42:46.impacted. Ollie Martins, you look to bringing in Skype in 2013 but

:42:47. > :42:52.didn't, why not? At the time there seemed to be a certain amount of

:42:53. > :42:57.controversy. The reality now, as we look at potentially 25 - 40% further

:42:58. > :43:01.cuts in what the government spends on policing, looking at that

:43:02. > :43:07.reality, I think we will have two embrace all the means at our

:43:08. > :43:11.disposal in the way we manage demand and still try to deliver a service

:43:12. > :43:17.to the public. Is it something you will now do? I think we are going to

:43:18. > :43:21.have to look at it and I will look at what is going on in Peterborough

:43:22. > :43:30.with a lot of interest. I will say that we are using an assessment

:43:31. > :43:34.model where we look at threat and harm risk, victim vulnerability. In

:43:35. > :43:39.order to determine the police response. I think that is the

:43:40. > :43:43.framework into which the use of Skype will fit. As your

:43:44. > :43:47.representative from victim support said, if you have someone who has

:43:48. > :43:51.run the ball, if there are investigative opportunities, if it

:43:52. > :43:57.is a high-risk case, the aim will be the police will still respond and

:43:58. > :44:01.send an officer. In other cases we will look at other ways of dealing

:44:02. > :44:06.with the public. Daniel, do you think it is a good idea? I am in

:44:07. > :44:13.Cambridge, the technology capital, so keen to encourage technology but

:44:14. > :44:18.in this case I think it is more about saving money than improving

:44:19. > :44:21.service. The story in the newspaper today, a guy beaten and bruised, the

:44:22. > :44:26.idea the first point of contact is a call on a mobile does not seem

:44:27. > :44:31.right. A lot of us have use video conferencing, which is fine, Skype,

:44:32. > :44:35.using it with your family, someone you know. If you have had a nasty

:44:36. > :44:41.experience you want one on one contact. What about the idea it is

:44:42. > :44:47.saving money, rather than what is best for victims? Daniel has a

:44:48. > :44:59.point. We are looking at spending cuts and in the Chancellor's review,

:45:00. > :45:05.he suggested 25-40%. I am in a force that has 169 officers per 100,000

:45:06. > :45:10.population. It is incumbent on me to make sure the way in which we use

:45:11. > :45:15.officers is about going to the most vulnerable victims, based high risk

:45:16. > :45:20.victim is, and frankly, I need to look at what other ways I can use

:45:21. > :45:27.for the public to contact us in relation to those cases that are not

:45:28. > :45:30.where the victims of honourable. That is the reality of where

:45:31. > :45:35.policing is going. Thank you very much. We would like to hear what you

:45:36. > :45:37.think about this. Please get in touch. Is it the best way for the

:45:38. > :45:50.police to use their resources? Shaker Aamer is on his way back to

:45:51. > :45:52.the UK from Guantanamo Bay. We will speak to someone who has been

:45:53. > :45:54.campaigning for his release for years.

:45:55. > :46:05.Bit of deja vu, last Halloween was a record breaker, up to 24 degrees in

:46:06. > :46:10.the London area. This year we have mild air pushing up from the south.

:46:11. > :46:12.It has been accompanied today by some rain, with the heaviest

:46:13. > :46:17.beginning to move away into the North Sea for the moment. The

:46:18. > :46:21.northernmost parts of Scotland just about staying dry. Otherwise a

:46:22. > :46:25.cloudy affair for most, maybe some brightness edging into

:46:26. > :46:29.cloudy affair for most, maybe some it will be something of a struggle,

:46:30. > :46:36.I think. Even in amongst all that cloud and the outbreaks of ring,

:46:37. > :46:39.temperatures of 15 or 16 degrees across southern England and Wales.

:46:40. > :46:43.We will keep the cloud by and large. South-east England could brighten

:46:44. > :46:47.up, maybe North Wales and Cumbria, and brightness towards the north of

:46:48. > :46:51.Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland. Rain lingering across the

:46:52. > :46:55.Midlands into the south-west. Still pretty high temperatures for this

:46:56. > :47:00.time of year. Brighter spots could get up to 18 or 19 degrees. Cooler

:47:01. > :47:03.across the northern part of Scotland, but mild air will work

:47:04. > :47:08.northwards overnight behind this weather front which gives another

:47:09. > :47:11.pulse of rain foremost before it begins to clear away just in time

:47:12. > :47:14.for the start of the weekend. When the sun breaks through on Saturday

:47:15. > :47:18.it will feel really quite pleasantly warm. The cloud might not break

:47:19. > :47:22.across eastern England and Scotland but drive virtually everywhere.

:47:23. > :47:27.Really a pleasant day for getting out and about and pretty good for

:47:28. > :47:31.the Rugby World Cup final at Twickenham, of course. Should be

:47:32. > :47:36.fantastic rugby weather for fans heading to the stadium. The weekend

:47:37. > :47:40.as a whole, we are talking about sunshine breaking through. Problem

:47:41. > :47:43.is we could see some over knife through Saturday night into Sunday

:47:44. > :47:50.which could be rather stubborn to clear. -- overnight fog. This ridge

:47:51. > :47:56.of high pressure will be building in from the east. A lot of rain being

:47:57. > :47:59.kept at bay towards the north-west. On the breezy side across north-west

:48:00. > :48:05.Butland but rain staying away to the north. More cloud around and some

:48:06. > :48:08.greyness. If you get that, temperatures in the low teens but if

:48:09. > :48:15.you get some brightness up around the mid to high teens quite widely.

:48:16. > :48:16.Headington next week, largely settled, grey skies for many of us

:48:17. > :50:21.but more dry weather to come. The meeting will seek to close the

:50:22. > :50:29.gap between the US, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iran. People have

:50:30. > :50:35.arrested a second teenager boy over the TalkTalk issue.

:50:36. > :50:38.A 16-year-old boy from Feltham in South West London was arrested

:50:39. > :50:42.on suspicion of Computer Misuse Act Offences.

:50:43. > :50:45.Victims of crime are being asked to speak to police on Skype instead of

:50:46. > :50:49.having officers visit their home, as part of a trial aiming to allow more

:50:50. > :50:51.The trial, launched by Cambridgeshire police

:50:52. > :51:01.in Peterborough on Wednesday, aims to provide more flexibility

:51:02. > :51:08.Let's catch up with all the sport now.

:51:09. > :51:14.I am delighted to say that two members of the squad can talk to us

:51:15. > :51:19.now from the Hydro arena. Let's start with you. Brilliant

:51:20. > :51:24.performance to win team bronze on Tuesday, and your little sister did

:51:25. > :51:29.not do too badly, did she? She didn't at all. It was a huge team

:51:30. > :51:33.effort. Still a bit shocked about what we managed to achieve, but so

:51:34. > :51:39.proud we were able to achieve it at the world Championships. Your

:51:40. > :51:43.team-mate said you were hoping for bronze but you went one better with

:51:44. > :51:48.silver on Wednesday, what do you think made the difference? I think

:51:49. > :51:53.it was just a combination of sticking together as a group, going

:51:54. > :51:56.about our own business, making sure we were concentrating on our own

:51:57. > :52:04.competition, not worrying about other teams like Japan and China.

:52:05. > :52:09.That allowed us to stay in. They got behind us, and made a difference and

:52:10. > :52:15.pushed is ahead in the medal rankings. It's not over yet, there

:52:16. > :52:22.are still more medals to be one. What do you make of GB's chances? I

:52:23. > :52:27.think it's going to be a great competition. We've got some great

:52:28. > :52:34.athletes competing. We've got Max and Lewis, and Dan Purvis, so we've

:52:35. > :52:38.got lots spread out, and then we have the final to night with Max and

:52:39. > :52:44.Dan Purvis. They are looking good and sharp and full of confidence

:52:45. > :52:48.after the other night's medals. As long as we go out and enjoy it,

:52:49. > :53:02.hopefully fingers crossed we can get some more medals. And it bodes well

:53:03. > :53:05.for Rio, don't you think? It really does, and for both teams to be

:53:06. > :53:09.making history in an Olympic year is incredible, it gave us so much

:53:10. > :53:14.confidence, we just want to push forwards for next year. Lovely.

:53:15. > :53:21.Thank you so much for joining us, good luck.

:53:22. > :53:32.The former Chelsea team Doctor Eva Carneiro is claiming constructive

:53:33. > :53:34.dismissal against the club. She was openly criticised by Jose Mourinho

:53:35. > :53:41.for her handling of an on field injury to Eden Hazard. On the eve of

:53:42. > :53:45.the Rugby World Cup final the head of the tournament says it has been

:53:46. > :53:51.the biggest and best so far. It has generated a record ?160 million

:53:52. > :53:56.profit as he told our sports editor. No question it's the biggest. And no

:53:57. > :53:59.disrespect to other World Cup holders of the past, World Cups

:54:00. > :54:06.should get better, you learn from them. I think this is the biggest

:54:07. > :54:12.and best World Cup we have had to date. What is that down too, because

:54:13. > :54:16.of where it was staged? I guess this underlines the ability of this

:54:17. > :54:18.country to host events. That's right, England are very good at

:54:19. > :54:23.putting on events such as these, they had a little curtain raiser

:54:24. > :54:29.called the Olympics. Good curtain raiser for the World Cup. Lewis

:54:30. > :54:35.Hamilton may have found the perfect way to settle any speeds with his

:54:36. > :54:40.team-mate Nico Rosberg, Mexican wrestling. This move is the running

:54:41. > :54:44.cross body, obviously. It was just a bit of fun before this weekend's

:54:45. > :54:48.Grand Prix. With Lewis Hamilton having wrapped up the world title

:54:49. > :54:56.with races to spare he is obviously letting his hair down. Brilliant

:54:57. > :55:04.pictures. Thank you for joining us this morning.

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:55:25. > :55:31.Shaker Aamer is flying back to the UK right now, raced after 13 years

:55:32. > :55:35.in detention at the Guantanamo Bay detention center. We heard he'd left

:55:36. > :55:39.the military base in Cuba heading for London earlier this morning. The

:55:40. > :55:42.release comes after a long campaign, many appeals and

:55:43. > :55:47.disappointments. Shaker Aamer was arrested

:55:48. > :55:50.in 2002 after maintaining he was He has never been charged or put

:55:51. > :55:53.on trial. He has four children and has

:55:54. > :55:56.permission to live indefinitely in Our reporter Jim Reed is

:55:57. > :56:07.here to take us through it. Tell us more about Shaker Aamer and

:56:08. > :56:10.how he ended up in Guantanamo? Details of his release are still

:56:11. > :56:16.coming in. It is significant for two reasons. He is the last remaining

:56:17. > :56:20.British resident. He is not a British citizen, but a resident. The

:56:21. > :56:24.18 Brits that were in that some point. Regardless of his nationality

:56:25. > :56:29.he was one of the most high profile most outspoken inmates of that camp,

:56:30. > :56:34.very involved in hunger strikes, for example. Acted almost as a

:56:35. > :56:40.spokesperson for some of the other prisoners inside. Tell us more about

:56:41. > :56:48.the circumstances of when he was detained? He went to Guantanamo Bay

:56:49. > :56:53.in 2002, before that in 2001 he was in Afghanistan. He spent much of his

:56:54. > :56:57.20s in the United States, acting as an interpreter at one point for

:56:58. > :57:00.American officials involved in the first Gulf War. He came to the

:57:01. > :57:05.United Kingdom in 1991 where he met his wife. He was never a British

:57:06. > :57:08.resident but settled down here and had four children. In 2001 he

:57:09. > :57:13.decided to take that family across into Afghanistan. The US military

:57:14. > :57:16.has also alleged that he was involved in military activity,

:57:17. > :57:23.there. He was fighting against coalition forces. He has always

:57:24. > :57:30.denied that. At the tail end of 2001, a group of bounty hunters

:57:31. > :57:33.picked up Mr Aamer and sold him into US custody. He went to the

:57:34. > :57:38.background air base, and in March 2002 he was sent on to Grant Hanley

:57:39. > :57:45.Mowbray. And how much is known about his time in Guantanamo Bay? The

:57:46. > :57:51.circumstances of his transfer have always been controversial. He says

:57:52. > :57:55.in the airbase in Campbell he was mistreated, you was tortured. At one

:57:56. > :57:58.point and this is crucial he says there were British intelligence

:57:59. > :58:02.officers in the room when that happened. So that could come out in

:58:03. > :58:05.the future. He says because of that treatment and torture he told the

:58:06. > :58:09.American authorities things that were frankly not true and as a

:58:10. > :58:14.result he was transferred to Guantanamo Bay. He was a high D10

:58:15. > :58:20.become involved in hunger strikes, we know he spent an awful lot of

:58:21. > :58:29.time in solitary confinement -- high-profile detainee. There were

:58:30. > :58:35.shouts of his mistreatment picked up by a documentary. He is on his way

:58:36. > :58:39.to the UK now, he is due to land at around 1:30pm, what will happen once

:58:40. > :58:42.he is back? We think it is likely he will be under some sort of

:58:43. > :58:45.monitoring under the terms of his release.

:58:46. > :58:51.monitoring under the terms of his government this is sort of a

:58:52. > :58:53.monitoring under the terms of his heavily for his release. You heard

:58:54. > :58:56.the Foreign Secretary welcoming it earlier. On the other there are

:58:57. > :58:59.allegations that British intelligence officers were at least

:59:00. > :59:01.present when some of this alleged mistreatment was taking place. If

:59:02. > :59:05.more details of that come out in mistreatment was taking place. If

:59:06. > :59:09.coming weeks and months that could be very embarrassing for the British

:59:10. > :59:12.government. There are always people who say no smoke without fire, how

:59:13. > :59:16.can it be that somebody completely innocent has been hell for this

:59:17. > :59:21.long? That's right, and it all comes back to 2001 -- been held for.

:59:22. > :59:25.People will always raise their eyebrows. For Mr Aamer and his legal

:59:26. > :59:30.team it is very hard to prove a eyebrows. For Mr Aamer and his legal

:59:31. > :59:32.negative, how do you prove you went somewhere and did not do something?

:59:33. > :59:39.That has been the case for the 13 or 14 years while he has been in

:59:40. > :59:40.detention. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell created the

:59:41. > :59:42.parliamentary group John McDonnell created the

:59:43. > :59:47.for his release. He says he is John McDonnell created the

:59:48. > :59:49.delighted to hear this news. He is breathing a

:59:50. > :59:52.delighted to hear this news. He is with other campaigners. He

:59:53. > :59:55.delighted to hear this news. He is simply a man in the wrong place at

:59:56. > :59:58.the wrong time. A charity work in Afghanistan who

:59:59. > :59:59.the wrong time. A charity work in ransomed and falsely imprisoned. He

:00:00. > :00:02.the wrong time. A charity work in has been cleared twice for release,

:00:03. > :00:07.never charged, and no serious evidence has

:00:08. > :00:08.never charged, and no serious him. I'm grateful for the Prime

:00:09. > :00:10.Minister's him. I'm grateful for the Prime

:00:11. > :00:14.year and a cross-party support we have received for his release. I

:00:15. > :00:17.hope he gets the full support he needs so that he can settle back

:00:18. > :00:20.into society and get on with the rest of his life.

:00:21. > :00:30.what is your reaction? There was some doubt he would actually get out

:00:31. > :00:38.in the end? of occasions where his family were

:00:39. > :00:41.told he was about to be released and he hasn't

:00:42. > :00:43.told he was about to be released and the moon to hear that he is finally

:00:44. > :00:47.on a the moon to hear that he is finally

:00:48. > :00:49.very soon. What do you say to people who say he is a Saudi citizen, he

:00:50. > :00:59.shouldn't be coming here? His wife is a British citizen and

:01:00. > :01:06.his four children are British citizens. If he was returned to

:01:07. > :01:08.Saudi Arabia, because he married somebody not Saudi, he could face

:01:09. > :01:16.criminal convictions. Is that the sort of country we are,

:01:17. > :01:19.into a situation where they are also likely to be tortured? What you

:01:20. > :01:23.expect to likely to be tortured? What you

:01:24. > :01:28.from our reporter who said it is likely he will be monitored when he

:01:29. > :01:32.returns. I think the first thing that will happen is he will go to

:01:33. > :01:38.hospital. He is in poor health after 15 years of torture. The report

:01:39. > :01:47.describes ways they tried to the hunger strike. Even the American

:01:48. > :01:52.Sennett said rectal feeding, force-feeding, amounted to torture.

:01:53. > :01:57.In the first instance, it will be him going to hospital, getting the

:01:58. > :02:01.medical attention he needs and reconnecting with his children.

:02:02. > :02:06.Reconnecting with his family. He has a 14-year-old son he has never seen

:02:07. > :02:12.will stop the question is asked, why would he have gone with his family

:02:13. > :02:17.to Afghanistan at that time? That decision in the end is the reason he

:02:18. > :02:21.ended up in Guantanamo. One reason he ended up in Guantanamo was

:02:22. > :02:26.because he was kidnapped and sold for a bounty and at that time the

:02:27. > :02:31.Americans in Afghanistan were buying any foreigner found in Afghanistan

:02:32. > :02:37.for $5,000 a time stop in Afghanistan that is a lot of money.

:02:38. > :02:41.He went there and it has been given many times they were setting up

:02:42. > :02:46.girls schools for the education of girls and building wells. I cannot

:02:47. > :02:51.think of a more noble thing to do, to go to a country recovering after

:02:52. > :02:57.20 years of war, when girls were not being educated, and trying to give

:02:58. > :03:04.them that step up. How do you expect him to see things? Having been

:03:05. > :03:09.incarcerated for 13 years, not charged, cleared for release in

:03:10. > :03:16.2007, and having stayed so many years after that, or will he be an

:03:17. > :03:22.angry man? Each person who comes out of Guantanamo deals with it

:03:23. > :03:25.differently. Moazzam Begg has often been complemented by those who

:03:26. > :03:30.disagree with him by the fact he has been forgiving and kind about the

:03:31. > :03:34.people who were his torturers in Guantanamo, even having them to

:03:35. > :03:45.visit him in the UK, he has been on speaking tours with Guantanamo

:03:46. > :03:50.guards. However Shaker deals with it will come out soon. He has every

:03:51. > :03:52.right to be angry, if that is the way he chooses to deal with this.

:03:53. > :03:55.Thank you very much for joining us. A 16-year-old boy is expected to

:03:56. > :03:58.appear in court later charged in connection with the death of Bailey

:03:59. > :04:01.Gwynne at a school in Aberdeen. Bailey, who was also 16,

:04:02. > :04:04.died after being stabbed at Cults His death follows the stabbing

:04:05. > :04:09.of a supply teacher in Bradford in the summer,

:04:10. > :04:11.and the murder of the teacher Once again it raises the issue

:04:12. > :04:19.of violence and weapons in schools. Figures released last year show that

:04:20. > :04:21.almost a thousand pupils had been caught with weapons

:04:22. > :04:28.in school since 2011. We're joined by Vincent

:04:29. > :04:30.Uzomah, the teacher who was stabbed We can also speak to Brian Lightman,

:04:31. > :04:34.who represents head teachers Here to discuss the issue is

:04:35. > :04:40.Tracey Ford. Her son was shot and killed

:04:41. > :04:43.in 2007 and she now works to reduce And we're joined by Katie Ivans from

:04:44. > :04:58.the Campaign for Real Education. Thank you for joining us. Vincent,

:04:59. > :05:07.you were attacked four months ago. Tell us the impact of the attack on

:05:08. > :05:15.you? The impact has had a serious effect on my family, my confidence

:05:16. > :05:23.to go back to work, and the psychological impact, as well. It

:05:24. > :05:30.has done a lot of damage. So far. Do you go over and over what happened

:05:31. > :05:36.and why it happened? Yes, in my mind, it comes up frequently. I

:05:37. > :05:41.think about it. I imagine it. I was told that is part of life. I need to

:05:42. > :05:50.go through that for me to recover from it. It was a school in Leeds

:05:51. > :05:55.where you had been trying to enforce discipline and the rules on mobile

:05:56. > :06:03.phones. A boy came in with a knife specifically to stab you. How do you

:06:04. > :06:08.think schools like yours could enforce a situation where kids

:06:09. > :06:17.cannot take a... I'm sorry coming Bradford, where kids cannot take a

:06:18. > :06:25.weapon into a school? My study was in Bradford and I feel there are a

:06:26. > :06:31.lot of things we can do to limit bringing weapons to school. Before I

:06:32. > :06:35.mentioned metal detectors. There are issues with metal detectors, the

:06:36. > :06:45.cost, the staff, how they are managed, the whole process. I think

:06:46. > :06:48.we still need to think of the positive effect of that. I think in

:06:49. > :06:55.other areas, like re-emphasising that part of the curriculum that

:06:56. > :07:03.will help students to value lives, to understand the consequence of

:07:04. > :07:10.some actions. On the offender and the victim. We can also look at the

:07:11. > :07:19.aspect of parenting. Maybe do some other kind of informal education on

:07:20. > :07:26.parenting. So that parents may understand their part to play in

:07:27. > :07:30.helping their kids. Some parents need to understand what their kids

:07:31. > :07:35.are going through in schools. Ask them how the day went, what kind of

:07:36. > :07:41.issues they face, how was your work? Homework, have you done it?

:07:42. > :07:51.Interaction between parents and their children. It can help them

:07:52. > :07:55.understand the value of life. Let that be from the parents or children

:07:56. > :07:59.understand what is allowed in society and what is not. At the

:08:00. > :08:04.moment, I think the crime rate is increasing and we need to do

:08:05. > :08:09.something about it. Tracy, your son was shot and killed in 2007 in

:08:10. > :08:13.Streatham. Do you agree with Vincent when you hear him saying some kids

:08:14. > :08:20.do not understand the value of life? There is a growing issue with

:08:21. > :08:26.violence. There are initiatives that happen around the country, around

:08:27. > :08:30.restorative Justice in schools, for young people to deal with conflict,

:08:31. > :08:37.to deal with anger. It does not happen enough. We are in a school

:08:38. > :08:40.working with young girls. It is, how do you help with young people to

:08:41. > :08:47.deal with some of the anger and issues they face? You work in

:08:48. > :08:51.schools primarily in London. Our weapons issue in these schools? I

:08:52. > :08:55.think weapons are an issue. In schools in Lambeth they have

:08:56. > :08:59.community safety officers in the schools, but I do not think it stops

:09:00. > :09:04.young people from leaving home with a weapon, or getting a weapon to

:09:05. > :09:07.protect themselves. We have a problem where you find a lot of

:09:08. > :09:12.victims are becoming perpetrators through the issue of fear. Katie,

:09:13. > :09:16.how do you keep weapons out of schools? The metal detector, I know

:09:17. > :09:23.a school around where I work, when they open, -- opened, a new academy,

:09:24. > :09:29.they have metal detectors straightaway. Does that completely

:09:30. > :09:32.put a lid on the problem? Of course it doesn't. Once they are outside

:09:33. > :09:39.the school they can get the weapon. You can get a knife from the kitchen

:09:40. > :09:43.drawer. I know of a case boy was stabbed a kitchen knife. His friend

:09:44. > :09:50.was standing over him, traumatised by this. This is going on. It has

:09:51. > :09:56.been going for a long time. It is not new. Our schools engaging with

:09:57. > :10:00.it, are they open enough about it? I don't know. What they want to do is

:10:01. > :10:04.get on with the education. This brings me to the point of how the

:10:05. > :10:10.schools are organised. I understand in a certain school that we might

:10:11. > :10:17.have in mind, I cannot possibly make this remark about it, but it

:10:18. > :10:20.generally helps when schools have an audit environment and ordered

:10:21. > :10:25.behaviour is expected and children are expected to treat each other

:10:26. > :10:28.with respect. If a school is disorganised, children are wandering

:10:29. > :10:35.in and out of classrooms, which is quite common, I have witnessed it,

:10:36. > :10:38.you can get violent incidents. I am aware of an incident where

:10:39. > :10:42.colleagues were working in a school and could not go ahead with the work

:10:43. > :10:46.because they came under violent attack from a group. They had to

:10:47. > :10:51.call in for help and their lives were at risk. There is a big

:10:52. > :10:56.problem. I don't know what a quick solution is. One thing schools can

:10:57. > :11:00.do is try to ensure the ordered environment. And ethics, ways in

:11:01. > :11:07.which we treat other people, and bring these issues to the fore. We

:11:08. > :11:14.do not know what has happened in other specific instances. I would

:11:15. > :11:16.like to get the thoughts from Brian Lightman, how concerned parent

:11:17. > :11:24.should be about the safety of schools. I don't think that parents

:11:25. > :11:29.should be enormously concerned. We have had some terrible incidents

:11:30. > :11:33.that have happened and one is one too many. We have to do everything

:11:34. > :11:37.we can to prevent these things happening. The reality is the

:11:38. > :11:44.majority of schools quarterly and safe places. There is far more knife

:11:45. > :11:48.crime and violence outside school than inside school. The other people

:11:49. > :11:52.you have interviewed have made it clear, some very good points about

:11:53. > :11:57.the fact there is a need for education in society as a whole. We

:11:58. > :12:00.need to do something to raise more awareness. Teachers are doing a

:12:01. > :12:06.great deal, the police and authorities are doing a lot, but we

:12:07. > :12:09.need to do more so people understand how this cannot happen and how we

:12:10. > :12:16.must do everything we can to make society safe. Vincent said crime is

:12:17. > :12:22.rising. There is a perception crime is rising, but the truth is figures

:12:23. > :12:29.indicate it is falling. Yes, I don't Inc crime is rising in schools or

:12:30. > :12:34.anywhere else. I think the reality is that one incident is one too many

:12:35. > :12:39.and that is what we must focus on, what can we do to raise awareness.

:12:40. > :12:46.It comes through education, the ethos of the school, society and

:12:47. > :12:50.messages to parents. That is the only way we can deal with these

:12:51. > :12:54.things. Thank you for joining us. Let us know your thoughts on the

:12:55. > :13:01.stories we are covering on the programme today. The main news. The

:13:02. > :13:06.Foreign Office confirmed that Shaker Aamer, the last British resident

:13:07. > :13:11.held at Guantanamo Bay is on his way back to the UK. The 46-year-old has

:13:12. > :13:15.been held in the military prison in Cuba since 2002, but has never been

:13:16. > :13:23.put on trial. Campaigners welcome his release. It is almost 14 years

:13:24. > :13:28.since he first lost his liberty to the United States. All those years

:13:29. > :13:33.without charge or trial. It is a day for justice he has been freed. The

:13:34. > :13:41.NHS has announced the number of hospital beds in England the people

:13:42. > :13:49.with learning disabilities will be hard. The move is in response to the

:13:50. > :14:01.abuse scandal at the Winter -- Winterbourne View scandal. Aid

:14:02. > :14:04.agencies say 21 people have died and many more are missing after boats

:14:05. > :14:13.overturned close to Turkey. teenage boy in connection with the

:14:14. > :14:16.investigation into alleged data theft from TalkTalk. A 16-year-old

:14:17. > :14:19.boy from Feltham in South West London was arrested on suspicion of

:14:20. > :14:22.offences under the Computer Misuse Five people have been taken to

:14:23. > :14:25.hospital after a coach crashed into a ditch and overturned near March in

:14:26. > :14:27.Cambridgeshire. A woman in her fifties suffered serious injuries.

:14:28. > :14:30.Police say they want to speak to the Police say they want to speak to

:14:31. > :14:33.the driver of a yellow bus which was seen in the area

:14:34. > :14:36.at the time of the collision. Victims of crime are being asked to

:14:37. > :14:40.speak to police on Skype instead of having officers visit their home, as

:14:41. > :14:43.part of a trial aiming to allow more The trial,

:14:44. > :14:45.launched by Cambridgeshire police in Peterborough on Wednesday,

:14:46. > :14:48.aims to provide more flexibility for victims, as well allowing

:14:49. > :14:49.better response times. Let's catch up with all

:14:50. > :15:00.the sport now and join Jess. Good morning. Here are the sports

:15:01. > :15:04.headlines. Former Chelsea team Doctor Ava Lakhani is seeking a

:15:05. > :15:08.claim against the club for constructive dismissal. -- Eva

:15:09. > :15:12.Carneiro. It is understood legal papers have been served this week.

:15:13. > :15:15.She left the club last month after being openly criticised by manager

:15:16. > :15:18.Jose Mourinho. England fast bowler Mark Wood has been rested for the

:15:19. > :15:23.third test against Pakistan which starts on Thursday. He has an ankle

:15:24. > :15:29.problem. He could be replaced by Liam Plunkett or Sammut Patel.

:15:30. > :15:33.England are 1-0 down in the three match series. The head of world

:15:34. > :15:38.rugby has said this World Cup has been the biggest and best so far,

:15:39. > :15:40.generating record profits. Australia and New Zealand meat in tomorrow's

:15:41. > :15:47.showpiece. That's all the sport for today.

:15:48. > :15:53.Shaker Aamer, the last British resident at Guantanamo Bay, is

:15:54. > :16:03.flying back to the UK right now after 13 years in detention. He is

:16:04. > :16:07.due to arrive in London in the next few hours.

:16:08. > :16:10.It's just over a week since Tata Steel announced it would be

:16:11. > :16:12.cutting 1,200 jobs from its works in Scunthorpe and

:16:13. > :16:15.Motherwell, compounding a dreadful month for the industry following the

:16:16. > :16:19.Who will lose their jobs and when is still under negotiation.

:16:20. > :16:32.We've been to the town as it faces a future without its biggest employer.

:16:33. > :16:34.Scunthorpe is the steelworks, and the steelworks is Scunthorpe.

:16:35. > :16:40.I was in the town centre on Saturday, and it's like there's a

:16:41. > :16:53.Put simply, without the steelworks, there would be no Scunthorpe.

:16:54. > :16:56.Tata Steel confirmed it was cutting 1,200 jobs in north Lincolnshire

:16:57. > :17:08.My name's Charlotte Upton and I'm an electrician

:17:09. > :17:14.When people got told about the job redundancies, obviously

:17:15. > :17:19.People are worried about how they are going to pay

:17:20. > :17:22.their mortgages, how they are going to afford Christmas.

:17:23. > :17:28.I think when the announcement was made, the best

:17:29. > :17:31.word to describe it would be stunned silence, while it's sunk in, the

:17:32. > :17:39.I'm Martin Foster and I'm the Unite trade union convener for

:17:40. > :17:45.A lot of people don't realise just how big the site at Scunthorpe is.

:17:46. > :17:54.In its heyday, it had 26,000 people employed in the steel industry

:17:55. > :18:06.at Scunthorpe, but over the years that has shrunk and shrunk.

:18:07. > :18:15.Customers are a lot of steelworkers, a lot of contractors

:18:16. > :18:19.from the steelworkers, and even lorry drivers passing

:18:20. > :18:21.through that's dropping off at the steelworks, so if the steelworks go,

:18:22. > :18:28.We're in the Grange Lane cafe in Scunthorpe.

:18:29. > :18:34.I've had the business for eight years.

:18:35. > :18:36.It upsets me to see them all really upset, wondering what's

:18:37. > :18:44.I do find it very concerning for everybody.

:18:45. > :18:47.The knock-on effects of the decline of the steelworks will

:18:48. > :18:54.The cafes around the corner or the car garages

:18:55. > :18:57.that are relying on the trade of the steelworkers, there will not

:18:58. > :19:06.be a person in Scunthorpe that won't be affected if the steelworks goes.

:19:07. > :19:09.I'm Christian, I work at Midland garage.

:19:10. > :19:14.I've recently bought the business after my boss retired.

:19:15. > :19:19.Everybody knows somebody who works on the steelworks, family, friends,

:19:20. > :19:22.stuff like that, so everybody is a bit concerned at the minute,

:19:23. > :19:33.Christmas is coming up and I have a young child.

:19:34. > :19:37.I couldn't justify spending a lot of money on toys and Christmas

:19:38. > :19:39.presents and stuff, when I don't know if I will have

:19:40. > :19:49.Over the last six, seven years we have lost circa 2,000 jobs

:19:50. > :19:57.The high street ten years ago was quite a busy place.

:19:58. > :20:00.You would see plenty of people milling about.

:20:01. > :20:03.The current 900 that has been announced for Scunthorpe

:20:04. > :20:06.Steel towns like Scunthorpe and Redcar have been buffeted

:20:07. > :20:11.The company blame the flood of cheap steel imports,

:20:12. > :20:17.Higher energy prices and business rates are magnifying

:20:18. > :20:22.We can't keep being the poor relations,

:20:23. > :20:25.we can't keep competing with other companies in Europe who pay lower

:20:26. > :20:32.All we want from the Government is a level playing field.

:20:33. > :20:34.If we don't, I fear that the industry

:20:35. > :20:42.This is the letter that I wrote to David Cameron, which I wrote to try

:20:43. > :20:46.and personalise the story of the steelworkers in Scunthorpe.

:20:47. > :20:49.It has been in national and local newspapers.

:20:50. > :20:51.On Facebook, I've had messages from people

:20:52. > :20:58.in Canada and America and stuff, which is really cool actually.

:20:59. > :21:01.I think, to be honest, we're part to blame for it, because everyone wants

:21:02. > :21:04.things cheaper, and the Chinese produce stuff on such a mass scale

:21:05. > :21:10.We should maybe look at ourselves and buy locally, as opposed to

:21:11. > :21:18.So you can see we've got all the smoke and everything coming out.

:21:19. > :21:22.When that's gone, what will we be looking at?

:21:23. > :21:25.Will we be looking at the steelworks rotting away there?

:21:26. > :21:29.For a lot of people in the town that is their bread and butter.

:21:30. > :21:37.There's ?9 million the Government's pledged to help retrain

:21:38. > :21:43.I want my job on the steelworks, I like my job.

:21:44. > :21:51.It was a job for life when I applied for it.

:21:52. > :21:54.I would be most upset if I had to leave Scunthorpe.

:21:55. > :22:00.All my family is here, I have a daughter who is 14,

:22:01. > :22:09.And, obviously, if we had to move that would be a big wrench for her

:22:10. > :22:15.I'm worried for my business, that I've worked for

:22:16. > :22:18.the last eight years for, put a lot of hard work into it, but I think

:22:19. > :22:25.At the moment, I'd say I don't see a future for Scunthorpe.

:22:26. > :22:28.I hope and pray there is going to be one, but no, I really,

:22:29. > :22:48.in my heart of hearts, don't hold out any hope for the steelworks.

:22:49. > :22:58.The creator and star of BBC One's Citizen Khan tells this

:22:59. > :23:04.It's now one of the country's most popular sitcoms with millions tuning

:23:05. > :23:07.in and tonight it returns to our screens with the new fourth series.

:23:08. > :23:11.We will speak to Adil Ray in a moment, but first a quick look

:23:12. > :23:41.Then you need to go back out, and right to the very end of

:23:42. > :24:00.Oh, it's very nice. one just through there.

:24:01. > :24:02.I particularly enjoyed the Pakistani room.

:24:03. > :24:26.Welcome. Thank you for having me. who have not been watching it get a

:24:27. > :24:28.chance to catch up tonight with the start of the fourth series.

:24:29. > :24:32.chance to catch up tonight with the about the show in a nutshell? It is

:24:33. > :24:34.essentially a family sitcom, in a tradition of British comedy, I like

:24:35. > :24:38.to think. The difference, tradition of British comedy, I like

:24:39. > :24:42.is that it happens to be a Pakistani tradition of British comedy, I like

:24:43. > :24:44.universal story of most families, tradition of British comedy, I like

:24:45. > :24:53.think. Where do tradition of British comedy, I like

:24:54. > :24:57.horses. I just kind of fell in love with it. My family did as well. I

:24:58. > :25:01.always thought one day I would love to do a comedy. I was doing

:25:02. > :25:07.always thought one day I would love on my radio show and after 9-11, and

:25:08. > :25:10.always thought one day I would love 7-7, I came across this character

:25:11. > :25:11.that appeared on lots of TV and radio shows which would be called

:25:12. > :25:15.community leader. I thought, what radio shows which would be called

:25:16. > :25:18.earth is a community leader? I was convinced news channels would get

:25:19. > :25:20.the guy with the longer convinced news channels would get

:25:21. > :25:23.put him in front of a mosque and convinced news channels would get

:25:24. > :25:26.him about what is happening thousands of miles

:25:27. > :25:30.him about what is happening thinks he will enjoy his 15 minutes

:25:31. > :25:32.of fame. The idea of that character came

:25:33. > :25:35.of fame. The idea of that character a satirical character. Once you

:25:36. > :25:37.start thinking about his wife and kids it becomes this family man.

:25:38. > :25:40.With some good kids it becomes this family man.

:25:41. > :25:44.co-writers Richard and kids it becomes this family man.

:25:45. > :25:49.developed it. You have spoken about re-humanising the Muslim community

:25:50. > :25:53.as well? Yes, I think so. The real desire to me, the intent of the show

:25:54. > :25:59.is to say, well look, we Muslim people are just like everybody else.

:26:00. > :26:03.Before 9-11, nobody really knew what Muslims were, they were not talked

:26:04. > :26:06.about, and now the image of them on television is either terrorists or

:26:07. > :26:13.horrible stories, things like Street grooming. Documentaries I've covered

:26:14. > :26:17.myself about Pakistani men. Here we have a bearded Muslim who kids laugh

:26:18. > :26:22.at, and realise it is just like my dad. The greatest feedback I have is

:26:23. > :26:26.from families who say the relationship between the youngest

:26:27. > :26:30.daughter and the father is just like me, or people saying that is just

:26:31. > :26:34.like my dad. He is tight, a big loudmouth, he can be a bit bigoted.

:26:35. > :26:38.These are things that are traits amongst many men, not just Muslims.

:26:39. > :26:39.There have been complaints from some muslins, quite a lot, let's look at

:26:40. > :27:14.one clip in particular. What do you say to muslins who say

:27:15. > :27:20.it insults them? I speak to others who say it is perfectly funny and

:27:21. > :27:25.great. The point is, if all muslims said citizen, is brilliant, we would

:27:26. > :27:29.have a problem. We must accept as muslims that we are a pluralistic

:27:30. > :27:33.community. For as many people who might say they are offended because

:27:34. > :27:37.she is pretending to read the Koran, the fact is it has happened. I

:27:38. > :27:41.remember sitting at my breakfast table with my mum teaching me the

:27:42. > :27:46.Crown and I have one eye on Grange Hill. -- teaching me the Koran.

:27:47. > :27:50.Nobody is perfect. But lots of people say they can relate to that

:27:51. > :27:55.and perfectly connect. By the very nature we have some muslims who

:27:56. > :27:59.don't like the show and they are a very small minority. Series one

:28:00. > :28:03.attracted 700 complaints, we've had no complaints so far that I know of.

:28:04. > :28:06.The fact we have a difference of opinion is a good thing. We are

:28:07. > :28:11.discovering that not all Muslims are the same, we have different views,

:28:12. > :28:16.even amongst a Muslim family. Do you almost see this programme as a bit

:28:17. > :28:20.of community service? No, I see it as helping pay my mortgage as the

:28:21. > :28:24.most important thing. But look, it is designed to be a comedy and we

:28:25. > :28:30.are trying to be funny. I believe things like citizen can't, Nadia

:28:31. > :28:33.winning the great British bake off, Moeen Ali opening the batting for

:28:34. > :28:36.England, Amir Khan being a boxing champion, all of these things are

:28:37. > :28:43.part of the narrative and we need positive messages. But as Muslims we

:28:44. > :28:47.need to realise we will not agree with all other Muslims, but we need

:28:48. > :28:51.to allow these creative voices in order to be a more mature and

:28:52. > :28:55.intelligent community. I read a story about when your family moved

:28:56. > :28:58.into a new neighbourhood, the neighbours almost trying to buy the

:28:59. > :29:02.house because they wanted to prevent you moving in and when you left they

:29:03. > :29:05.were sad because they'd got to know you, and that was quite a formative

:29:06. > :29:11.experience for you in shaping your views as yellow absolutely. I/O a

:29:12. > :29:15.lot to my mother. My mother was from an East African Kenyan background,

:29:16. > :29:19.and she had a very mixed up ringing. She was convinced we should live in

:29:20. > :29:24.a white area in Birmingham. She thought, we have a big family, 150

:29:25. > :29:28.cousins, so you will get the Asian influence from the family, let's

:29:29. > :29:31.live in a white area. It was National front, and yes, we had

:29:32. > :29:34.bricks through the window, and neighbours trying to buy the house

:29:35. > :29:38.before we moved in, and it was difficult times but that did not

:29:39. > :29:42.last very long. And after a while we began to love them and they became

:29:43. > :29:46.my uncle John and auntie Gladys and uncle Alfred and auntie Betty across

:29:47. > :29:52.the word. When we left they were in tears. I think that is a great

:29:53. > :29:56.message. We are living in times of the fear of the unknown. Britain has

:29:57. > :30:00.a long history of that. If you combat that and stick with it it all

:30:01. > :30:05.turns out, very romantically, good in the end. Do you see the funny

:30:06. > :30:06.side of everything? People often say of comedians there is a sad and

:30:07. > :30:17.Darkside. I try to. I think it is healthy.

:30:18. > :30:21.Question is, do not let yourself be offended. You cannot go out your

:30:22. > :30:25.door if you are going to be offended. Why would you let somebody

:30:26. > :30:31.offend you? It is in your power. Walk around with a smile and batted

:30:32. > :30:41.off. I remember in school, living in Yardley, I got called the P word. My

:30:42. > :30:46.mum could see it was upsetting me. I was eight, nine. She said do not

:30:47. > :30:52.worry, go back to school and have fun. That is what I did. That is a

:30:53. > :30:56.strength. It is not easy. You can take things personally, but we must

:30:57. > :30:58.try not to. Don't be offended, it is in our hands. Good advice. Good luck

:30:59. > :31:00.with the show. And you can watch Citizen Khan on

:31:01. > :31:05.BBC One tonight at 8:30pm. We can go back to the news about

:31:06. > :31:11.Shaker Aamer. Guantanamo Bay - is flying back to

:31:12. > :31:15.the UK after 13 years in detention. This release comes after

:31:16. > :31:18.a long campaign, many appeals and many disappointments after he was

:31:19. > :31:20.first cleared for release in 2007. He's due to arrive in London

:31:21. > :31:23.in the next few hours. Andrew Slaughter is the Shadow

:31:24. > :31:25.Justice Minister, he travelled to America as part of a delegation to

:31:26. > :31:36.try and secure Mr Aamer's release. Thank you for joining us, what is

:31:37. > :31:41.your reaction to the news he is on his way here? It is fantastic news.

:31:42. > :31:49.It does appear he is on his way and we'll be back in the UK later. We do

:31:50. > :31:52.not know what time. This is after 14 years of captivity without any

:31:53. > :31:57.allegations being proved, without any charge or trial, in the

:31:58. > :32:03.appalling conditions of Guantanamo Bay. There will be a lot to examine

:32:04. > :32:13.once he gets home and he is reunited with his family. What do you think

:32:14. > :32:15.should happen to him? There are suggestions he might be tagged or

:32:16. > :32:18.monitored. The priority, which is lawyers have asked for, is a medical

:32:19. > :32:23.check. He has been under a huge amount of mental strain. Tortured.

:32:24. > :32:28.His physical health is poor. He has been in solitary confinement a long

:32:29. > :32:33.time. Meeting his family again. I say again, he has never seen his

:32:34. > :32:38.youngest child. Those are the priorities. There is no reason why

:32:39. > :32:43.there needs to be supervision, tagging, any connection with the

:32:44. > :32:47.security services here in any way. There are issues to explore about

:32:48. > :32:51.his treatment there, perhaps in relation to compensation and matters

:32:52. > :32:56.of that kind, but I cannot see given the fact he was cleared for release

:32:57. > :33:00.by President Bush in 2007 and there have been eight years since then

:33:01. > :33:04.that anything should happen but he is set at liberty very quickly. You

:33:05. > :33:10.mentioned the issue of compensation, what do you mean by that? 16 Britons

:33:11. > :33:15.have been released from Guantanamo Bay so far and we do not know what

:33:16. > :33:19.has happened but there have been cases where compensation has been

:33:20. > :33:23.paid. Shaker Aamer has never asked for money and money does not

:33:24. > :33:27.compensate for having a large part of your life taken away and being

:33:28. > :33:32.treated in a brutal way and in particularly being deprived of

:33:33. > :33:38.liberty without due process, but as part of the examination of what

:33:39. > :33:42.happened, questions need to be asked about whether he is entitled to

:33:43. > :33:49.compensation just to rebuild his life. He has alleged he was abused

:33:50. > :33:55.by US personnel in Afghanistan with UK agents present. Does that need to

:33:56. > :34:03.be properly looked at? Absolutely. It is entirely a matter for him and

:34:04. > :34:08.he will have good legal advice. He has been supported during his

:34:09. > :34:12.captivity. I cannot speak for him. There are many questions to be

:34:13. > :34:17.asked. One reason why he has been held for so long, it is said, is

:34:18. > :34:22.because he has witnessed so much, not just his treatment but treatment

:34:23. > :34:28.of others throughout the 14 years. What are your thoughts on the fact

:34:29. > :34:32.it took so long? He was cleared for release in 2007 and two US

:34:33. > :34:39.presidents cleared him for release and it is 2015 he is finally coming

:34:40. > :34:45.home. What are your views on the way the US has handled this? The history

:34:46. > :34:49.of Guantanamo, and let's not forget over 100 people are left in there,

:34:50. > :34:54.is appalling. President Obama said it would be close seven years ago,

:34:55. > :34:59.he is now saying it might be again. Let's not forget the other people

:35:00. > :35:05.there. I went on a lobbying mission with Jeremy Corbyn and two senior

:35:06. > :35:08.Tories, David Davis and Andrew Mitchell, and we asked that question

:35:09. > :35:14.to John McCain and senior senators in the US, why, given he was allowed

:35:15. > :35:19.to be released eight years ago, was he still their? They could not

:35:20. > :35:23.answer that. I hope what we and the Prime Minister did has helped to

:35:24. > :35:28.secure his release. We must have an answer to that question. It is not

:35:29. > :35:36.acceptable for any country, but particularly a democracy like

:35:37. > :35:38.America, to keep people locked up without due process at all, but 14

:35:39. > :35:39.years is a disgrace. Andrew Slaughter, thank you.

:35:40. > :35:43.There are to be very big changes in the way the NHS treats

:35:44. > :35:45.and cares for people with learning disabilities and autism.

:35:46. > :35:46.and cares for people with learning NHS England will cut by half the

:35:47. > :35:50.The money saved will then be spent on creating community facilities -

:35:51. > :35:56.that is, helping people to stay out of institutions.

:35:57. > :35:57.I've been talking to Sir Stephen Bubb -

:35:58. > :36:01.who led a review into the future of services for people with learning

:36:02. > :36:03.disabilities - and Ray James, President of the Association of

:36:04. > :36:07.But first I spoke to Karen Flood, who is Co-Chair of the

:36:08. > :36:11.National Learning Disability Board, and Bill who has learning

:36:12. > :36:15.disabilities and told me of his experience of the system.

:36:16. > :36:27.You did not feel human, you did not feel you existed.

:36:28. > :36:37.What was it that made you feel like that?

:36:38. > :36:45.It was the way the staff treated you.

:36:46. > :37:00.They knew they could do whatever they wanted

:37:01. > :37:03.What sorts of things did you experience?

:37:04. > :37:09.One of the main things, which happened to me,

:37:10. > :37:16.The staff would put a big knot in the towel.

:37:17. > :37:20.If you were coming out of the shower, they would whip you with it.

:37:21. > :37:43.They got away with it, nobody would do anything about it.

:37:44. > :37:45.They could be abuse and nothing would happen.

:37:46. > :37:56.I got to the point where I started using my fists.

:37:57. > :38:01.I decided if I were to get anywhere, I needed to become

:38:02. > :38:20.Karen, an unbelievable way for people to treat other people but you

:38:21. > :38:29.Does he describe situations you have heard time and again?

:38:30. > :38:32.Oh, yes, because some people who have told me

:38:33. > :38:37.what has happened in the past is like if they wanted a meal, they had

:38:38. > :38:41.to fight with each other, or who was the quickest to get to the table?

:38:42. > :38:51.I met a gentleman who was tied to a chair.

:38:52. > :38:58.When I came to see him one time he was tied to a wheelchair.

:38:59. > :39:00.The gentleman was deaf, could not see, could not do

:39:01. > :39:05.When I asked if I could see his bedroom, the support was not

:39:06. > :39:12.He was put in a straitjacket in his bed.

:39:13. > :39:18.That happened a good few years ago, but people think things got better.

:39:19. > :39:28.The only way it is going to get better is by us all working

:39:29. > :39:37.This is why we want our people out of these places, because they have a

:39:38. > :39:41.right to have a life like everybody else, to live in a community,

:39:42. > :39:48.Because they have never committed a crime.

:39:49. > :39:50.We seem to give the wrong people the support.

:39:51. > :39:53.We seem to give paedophiles and sex offenders more support than

:39:54. > :40:13.In 2014 you wrote a report criticising the care people receive,

:40:14. > :40:19.why has it taken so long? Why have things like that been able to go

:40:20. > :40:24.one? My report was clear about the need to close these institutions and

:40:25. > :40:29.scale up community provision. What Karen has said is right. In the 21st

:40:30. > :40:35.century it is a disgrace we treat people with learning disabilities in

:40:36. > :40:41.the way we have in institutions. What has been a dismal failure is

:40:42. > :40:44.since the government pledged to move people out of institutions after the

:40:45. > :40:48.Winterbourne View scandal, there is still the same number of people,

:40:49. > :40:56.nothing has happened. But I do think the plan announced today by NHS

:40:57. > :41:01.England, it will deliver the closure of institutions and the scaling up

:41:02. > :41:06.of community provision. I believe we may be at a turning point. There

:41:07. > :41:09.will be scepticism from families and people with learning disabilities

:41:10. > :41:16.because of failures in the past. I think we have a plan and we may see

:41:17. > :41:20.institutions close. They are going to close the biggest NHS hospital,

:41:21. > :41:33.called stones, and they will work with charities to build up provision

:41:34. > :41:37.-- Calderstones. Ray James Yuko Warf of the report, why should people

:41:38. > :41:40.have faith things will be better? It is a clear statement of intent and

:41:41. > :41:51.acknowledges things have not been good enough in the past. -- you

:41:52. > :41:54.co-wrote the report. We will ensure people can lead independent lives in

:41:55. > :41:59.their communities close to their families, not in hospitals, but in

:42:00. > :42:02.their homes. There will still be people going into these

:42:03. > :42:08.institutions. The numbers are being hard. What is to say it is not

:42:09. > :42:12.carrying on as it has been? The intention is if someone needs

:42:13. > :42:16.treatment it will be the shorter periods of time. Part of the plan is

:42:17. > :42:22.to work with the Care Quality Commission. We want to see more

:42:23. > :42:26.people like Karen, who are able to eat quality checkers and volunteer

:42:27. > :42:32.and to tell us what they think the service is like and so there is a

:42:33. > :42:42.range of people monitoring. -- to be able to be quality checkers. We all

:42:43. > :42:47.need to play our part. Let's go back to the release of the last British

:42:48. > :42:53.resident detained at Guantanamo. Shaker Aamer is heading back to the

:42:54. > :43:04.UK and is due to land in London at 1:30pm. His father-in-law has given

:43:05. > :43:15.his reaction. Is it a day you thought you would see? Had to stop

:43:16. > :43:21.hoping for this day? I cannot hear. Today is a very happy day? Yes. Is

:43:22. > :43:31.it a surprise? Yes, it is a surprise. It is a miracle. That is

:43:32. > :43:37.the father-in-law of Shaker Aamer. Full coverage on the BBC News

:43:38. > :43:42.channel on his return to the UK. A couple of comments on the police

:43:43. > :43:47.trials of Skype for reporting crime. One Twitter message says they are

:43:48. > :43:51.having the trials are no other reason they cannot afford to send a

:43:52. > :43:57.policeman. Another says if it means you do not have to wait a week to

:43:58. > :44:01.report a crime, I guess it is OK. Have a lovely weekend. Goodbye.