09/11/2015

:00:07. > :00:07.Hello. It's Monday. It's 9.15am. I'm Joanna Gosling.

:00:08. > :00:12.A dark day for athletics, claims that senior officials took bribes

:00:13. > :00:28.I'm more determined than ever to rebuild in the trust in our sport.

:00:29. > :00:30.It won't be a short journey. What's behind an apparent

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:00:35. > :00:36.the UK abolished the death penalty, we'll be speaking to the prison

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:01:22. > :01:29.searching "Victoria Derbyshire". Doping cover-ups,

:01:30. > :01:31.extortion and money laundering, all allegations rocking the world

:01:32. > :01:36.of athletics this morning. Later today the World Anti-Doping

:01:37. > :01:38.Agency will publish a report into all of this with one of its authors

:01:39. > :01:42.saying it will expose "a whole Allegations already centre

:01:43. > :01:46.on this man Lamine Diack, the former President of world

:01:47. > :01:50.Athletics governing body, the IAAF. He's now at the centre of a French

:01:51. > :01:53.investigation over claims he took bribes from the Russian athletic

:01:54. > :01:57.federation to cover up positive His son and three others have also

:01:58. > :02:02.been charged with various alleged breaches of the IAAF's Code

:02:03. > :02:05.of Ethics. Lord Coe, the current head of world

:02:06. > :02:10.Athletics, has said he's stunned by A great deal of anger and a lot

:02:11. > :02:18.of sadness. These are dark days for our sport,

:02:19. > :02:21.but I'm more determined than ever It's not going to be

:02:22. > :02:26.a short journey. The day after I got elected I

:02:27. > :02:31.started a massive review. Understandably in the light

:02:32. > :02:34.of the allegations that were made at the beginning of the week, that

:02:35. > :02:38.review has been accelerated and I'm determined to rebuild and repair the

:02:39. > :02:40.sport with my council colleagues. But this is

:02:41. > :02:50.a long road to redemption. Jess at

:02:51. > :02:54.our Sports Centre this morning. What are we expected to find out

:02:55. > :03:04.today? We are expect to go find out about

:03:05. > :03:09.alleged systematic cheating on a scale never seen before. Expecting

:03:10. > :03:13.confirmation of widespread doping cover-ups, bribery, money laundering

:03:14. > :03:19.and it really doesn't look goed for the sport of athletics at the

:03:20. > :03:23.moment. We have been warned by the co-author, Richard McLaren that he

:03:24. > :03:28.expects a different scale of corruption, similar, if not worse,

:03:29. > :03:33.to the recent allegations levelled at Fifa, football's world governing

:03:34. > :03:38.body. This began to gather pace in December last year when a German TV

:03:39. > :03:43.documentary allegedly exposed widespread cheating in the sport,

:03:44. > :03:48.primarily in Russia where athletes to pay officials to supply them with

:03:49. > :03:53.banned substances. Allegedly the IAAF knew about this and covered it

:03:54. > :03:57.up. Nothing has been confirmed, but when it is at 2pm, this would be the

:03:58. > :04:00.worst crisis in the history of the sport.

:04:01. > :04:03.Jess, thank you very much. But if you're a young athlete, what

:04:04. > :04:05.impact does these allegations have JJ Jegede is GB Long Jumper

:04:06. > :04:10.and Richard Yates is a GB Hurdler. We're also joined by

:04:11. > :04:21.Michele Verroken who used to be Thank you all for joining us.

:04:22. > :04:26.Michelle, first of all, from what you've heard, are you surprised? Are

:04:27. > :04:30.you shocked? Well, in some respects, I'm not surprised. I'm hugely

:04:31. > :04:37.disappointed. I mean, the system that was put in place to try and

:04:38. > :04:41.protect athletes is in itself apparently being corrupted. It seems

:04:42. > :04:48.to be the officials who are very much part of the profiteering from

:04:49. > :04:54.this, the athletes themselves are the victims of this need for better

:04:55. > :05:00.performances. This desire to be, you nou, number one in the world and

:05:01. > :05:05.also the country's own ambitions to be winning medals. So in some

:05:06. > :05:09.respects I'm not surprised because that's been the whole nature of

:05:10. > :05:16.doping in sport, but I'm it is appointed that des spite years of a

:05:17. > :05:20.world anti-doping code, a new system, a lot of investment of

:05:21. > :05:22.money, time and particularly athletes efforts in the anti-doping

:05:23. > :05:27.system, we are where we are with actually the same problem facing us.

:05:28. > :05:32.Until now, concerns have always centred on whether the drugs testing

:05:33. > :05:36.regimes are tough enough. Where do these latest allegations take that

:05:37. > :05:39.debate? Well, the drug testing regime

:05:40. > :05:43.continues to be tough. It is just not tough enough. But also the

:05:44. > :05:46.checks and balances that are in the system, the pressures that are put

:05:47. > :05:51.on individuals and I know that myself, the pressures that can be

:05:52. > :05:56.put on you, not to publish, you want to present information in a

:05:57. > :06:01.particular way. Really do in the end take their toll on people and you

:06:02. > :06:06.have to say, "Is this right? Are we vieding a good enough system?" I'm

:06:07. > :06:10.describing this to people as the ultimate betrayal of trust where

:06:11. > :06:16.there is the provision of doping substances. There is the hiding of

:06:17. > :06:20.results, and athletes who have tried to compete, drug-free, are saying,

:06:21. > :06:24."What is the point?" And yet really, these are only a minority of people

:06:25. > :06:29.doing this. Doing untold damage across all sport.

:06:30. > :06:31.doing this. Doing untold damage JJ Michelle was saying ultimate

:06:32. > :06:37.betrayal of trust. How do you feel about this? I was so shocked when I

:06:38. > :06:41.heard it yesterday. As athletes we sort of know that some might be on

:06:42. > :06:46.drugs, you know, we can't believe that everybody has the same moral

:06:47. > :06:52.code as we do. But to hear it, that the IAAF have been brabd to stop

:06:53. > :06:55.people getting caught, that's bigger than most athletes would have

:06:56. > :06:59.thought of. We know maybe an athlete might take it, but our governing

:07:00. > :07:05.body, that's a serious betrayal of trust. We thought they were trying

:07:06. > :07:10.to back us, but if that's not the case, what hope do we have as a

:07:11. > :07:15.sport? They are just allegations at this stage. Are they allegations you

:07:16. > :07:19.had ever heard before? No. I wouldn't have thought it would have

:07:20. > :07:24.an IAAF problem. I thought it would be, maybe we have heard about

:07:25. > :07:28.Russians and their more prone to sometimes be caught for drugs or the

:07:29. > :07:32.Eastern European block, but not everybody, but we do hear that the

:07:33. > :07:38.Eastern Bloc, you know, maybe are more prone it take drugs. In

:07:39. > :07:41.Britain, we have such a thorough doping or thorough testing process.

:07:42. > :07:45.Britain, we have such a thorough It is not the same around the whole

:07:46. > :07:48.world unfortunately. How does that make you feel when you are competing

:07:49. > :07:51.against people and you are not necessarily always confident that it

:07:52. > :07:57.is a level playing field? It is tough. You know, it's, as athletes

:07:58. > :08:00.all we can do unfortunately control what we do, and our training and

:08:01. > :08:04.when you get there and you are beat by a few centimetres by somebody

:08:05. > :08:09.that might be on drugs, that's very demoralalising. It is like what's

:08:10. > :08:12.the point in actually doing this? But most athletes are driven, so

:08:13. > :08:19.they are going to keep going despite what might be happening. Richard,

:08:20. > :08:22.how do you feel about all of this? Yeah, obviously, the reports are

:08:23. > :08:27.worrying. I think that's mixed with a bit of anger as well because you

:08:28. > :08:32.know, you want to have ultimate can have dins in the governing body and

:08:33. > :08:35.these reports that are coming out do make you very concerned.

:08:36. > :08:43.What do you think the penalties should be? Well, it depends on the

:08:44. > :08:48.nature of the doping and what exactly has happened. I know there

:08:49. > :08:52.is voices from within the sport where people want to see lifetime

:08:53. > :08:57.bans and very, very strict penalties and there is suggestions that Russia

:08:58. > :09:01.itself will be expelled from the athletics world temporarily. I don't

:09:02. > :09:04.know whether that will happen. We will have to wait and see what the

:09:05. > :09:08.contents of the report say. But what we need to see is confidence

:09:09. > :09:14.installed within the governing body and I suppose that's down to Seb Coe

:09:15. > :09:19.now to take action and you know, he has spoken out in relation to this,

:09:20. > :09:23.but actions speak louder than words. Where would you say this has left

:09:24. > :09:27.athletics in terms of public perception and also the way other

:09:28. > :09:33.athletes feel about it and the governing body? Yeah, as I say, it

:09:34. > :09:36.is certainly worrying. I think you can compare it somewhat to how

:09:37. > :09:42.cycling was let's say 20 years ago. It is looking as if athletics is

:09:43. > :09:45.going done that route. You know, the athletes are obviously very

:09:46. > :09:50.concerned just looking at Twitter this morning, there is worrying

:09:51. > :09:55.comments. A lot of athletes suffered in this respect having been denied

:09:56. > :09:57.their moment on the podium by someone who has subsequently been

:09:58. > :10:01.caught cheating and they are never going to get that moment back. The

:10:02. > :10:05.athletes themselves can be punished when they are caught, but there are

:10:06. > :10:10.things that can't be undone and you know, you can't turn the clock back

:10:11. > :10:14.to standing on the podium on first or second place in front of

:10:15. > :10:19.thousands of fans and you know, Jamie mentioned this morning that he

:10:20. > :10:22.has been denied being a hero for a day due to someone who was

:10:23. > :10:26.subsequently caught cheating and although, you know, he gets his

:10:27. > :10:32.medal subsequently upgraded, he'll never get that moment unfortunately.

:10:33. > :10:36.Could this be a watershed moment for the sport, Michelle? The report is

:10:37. > :10:39.out later and it's likely to be extremely hard hitting from

:10:40. > :10:45.everything we've heard? Well, I hope so because we've had so

:10:46. > :10:49.many water head moments over the years and what is indicated is there

:10:50. > :10:54.is not just an International Federation, it is possibly a

:10:55. > :11:00.national anti-doping organisation involved, but people have covered up

:11:01. > :11:06.something that we have been working hard to address. We have been trying

:11:07. > :11:09.to discourage, deter, athletes from the use of doping substances and

:11:10. > :11:13.unfortunately, situations like these must make athletes think, "What is

:11:14. > :11:17.the point?" And we don't have severe enough sanctions. We know that in

:11:18. > :11:22.actual fact it doesn't seem to matter if you take one steroid or

:11:23. > :11:26.you take three. You get the same penalty and you can still come back

:11:27. > :11:31.and we know there are residual benefits. So something has to be

:11:32. > :11:35.done and it is really important that people are allowed to do their job

:11:36. > :11:41.in the anti-doping world, but do it fairly. We can't go on persecuting

:11:42. > :11:44.the athletes who are only really responding to that desire to win

:11:45. > :11:49.medals. What do you say to that JJ? What are

:11:50. > :11:54.the pressures on athletes? Athletes, we want to win, yes, but if you have

:11:55. > :12:01.a moral code like I would, like I do, there is no point winning if

:12:02. > :12:05.you've cheated. What we really need is a uniform banning or a violation,

:12:06. > :12:09.if you are banned for drugs, you know, at the moment, it is two years

:12:10. > :12:15.and it is just really too late, you know. I got injured in March, I tore

:12:16. > :12:20.a ligament and I was out for the whole of the season, I'm coming back

:12:21. > :12:24.next month, that would be like a minor drug ban. It has to be a

:12:25. > :12:28.minimum of four years so they feel it is a deterrent that if I take

:12:29. > :12:33.drugs, I might not actually be able to get back, but currently, two

:12:34. > :12:37.years is a little pat on the wrist. We need it to be stronger, four, six

:12:38. > :12:41.years and I think that really would start deterring athletes from taking

:12:42. > :12:46.drugs. Michelle, why hasn't that happened?

:12:47. > :12:52.Well, we understand there have been legal challenges which have

:12:53. > :12:56.previously considered a lengthy ban just unacceptable. But I think now

:12:57. > :13:02.the mood is really changing. We're seeing this as a corruption activity

:13:03. > :13:06.and it is important that sport makes its voice heard on this and the

:13:07. > :13:10.athletes have, in this country certainly, have always said they

:13:11. > :13:16.believed in a life ban. The vast majority were voting for a life ban,

:13:17. > :13:20.but let's sort out the inadvertent doping from those who are

:13:21. > :13:26.deliberately cheating and cheating others and sadly the system that we

:13:27. > :13:30.have gives us a kind of ten year statutory limitation. It may take

:13:31. > :13:35.another ten years to sort out any doping incidents that happened at

:13:36. > :13:40.the 2012 Games. So we're talking about a long time for athletes to

:13:41. > :13:45.then be recognised for their true performances and to be honest,

:13:46. > :13:49.that's far too long. So we need to address that situation right now in

:13:50. > :13:53.order to give confidence to athletes who are training today, tomorrow,

:13:54. > :13:58.that what they are doing, they can do with confidence that the system

:13:59. > :14:03.will protect those who don't cheat. Richard, how much of a shadow does

:14:04. > :14:07.all of this cast over athletes who are clean, but who are performing at

:14:08. > :14:12.the top of their game, who perhaps feel that people might question how

:14:13. > :14:17.they are doing so well? Yeah, I mean, the first thing to say is that

:14:18. > :14:22.as an international athlete you want to have confidence that things are

:14:23. > :14:26.on a level playing field. You want to have confidence in the system.

:14:27. > :14:30.There is a big shad over the sport at the moment and I'm sure it will

:14:31. > :14:34.get worse later on today when the report comes out around 2pm. But you

:14:35. > :14:37.know, I mean, from my point of view within the sport, you do hear

:14:38. > :14:43.stories, you hear suggestions about people who might be doping. You know

:14:44. > :14:47.if they suddenly become very good. People will start talking, but until

:14:48. > :14:52.that's backed up by plaque and white evidence, you know, you can't really

:14:53. > :14:57.suggest that someone is cheating. I think what we want to see is, you

:14:58. > :15:02.know, absolute evidence as to you know who has been cheating and see

:15:03. > :15:07.what this report says later on, but it is concerning that not only is

:15:08. > :15:11.money being taken at the top level, if indeed the allegations are

:15:12. > :15:14.correct, but what they're doing is they are effectively changing

:15:15. > :15:19.results on the track and in the field by taking these supposed

:15:20. > :15:24.bribes which in some ways is more serious than what's recently

:15:25. > :15:29.happened at Fifa, in football. Laurence has texted to say, "Lord

:15:30. > :15:33.Coe means well, but has no chance of cleaning up the doping cover-ups."

:15:34. > :15:36.Derek e-mailed, "Anyone caught taking drugs in athletics should be

:15:37. > :15:43.banned for life and the country banned for life. It seems harsh, but

:15:44. > :15:46.it is the only way to stop it." Michelle picking up with what

:15:47. > :15:47.Richard was saying, do you think this is a bigger scandal than the

:15:48. > :15:57.one at Fifa? Potentially it could be, because

:15:58. > :16:02.this is about corrupting the system itself, and at various levels the

:16:03. > :16:06.sport. We have seen corruption by individuals profiteering, but this

:16:07. > :16:07.is actually changing results for everybody. What happened at Fifa did

:16:08. > :16:13.not really everybody. What happened at Fifa did

:16:14. > :16:17.that what we see in the English everybody. What happened at Fifa did

:16:18. > :16:22.Football League. So, actually, it has affected the lives of individual

:16:23. > :16:27.athletes, and in some respects it is casting a slur over the London 2012

:16:28. > :16:32.Games after everybody thought it was fantastic. But perhaps the wrong

:16:33. > :16:36.athletes were here, and that is really concerning, because athletes

:16:37. > :16:42.will have worked very hard for that moment. So we have to be realistic

:16:43. > :16:47.about what we can now do, here the report, we know the IAAF has got its

:16:48. > :16:48.ethics commission working on this, and French prosecutors. We are going

:16:49. > :16:55.to go through months of an awful and French prosecutors. We are going

:16:56. > :16:59.of daring of souls and bearing of information, and then we have to

:17:00. > :17:00.really pieced back together a system that is going to give confidence to

:17:01. > :17:08.those athletes to continue to that is going to give confidence to

:17:09. > :17:13.compete. Thank you all. Keep your thoughts

:17:14. > :17:15.50 years after the death penalty was abolished in the UK,

:17:16. > :17:20.we'll be talking live to the neice of Derek Bentley,

:17:21. > :17:30.where David Cameron is due to speak to business leaders about Europe.

:17:31. > :17:34.Spending cuts of 30% over the next four years,

:17:35. > :17:43.George Osborne reaches a deal with some government departments.

:17:44. > :17:45.Transport, local government, environment and the Treasury

:17:46. > :17:50.they will reduce their budgets by an average of 8% a year.

:17:51. > :17:52.An independent report into alleged corruption in athletics

:17:53. > :18:00.The World Anti-Doping Agency set up an inquiry

:18:01. > :18:02.after it was alleged that Russian officials had accepted bribes

:18:03. > :18:04.to cover-up their athletes' positive drug tests.

:18:05. > :18:06.The new head of world athletics, Sebastian Coe, has acknowledged

:18:07. > :18:13.there will be a long road to redemption for the sport.

:18:14. > :18:17.I am more determined than ever to rebuild the trust in our sport. It

:18:18. > :18:20.is not going to be a short journey. Nine prisons are to be built under

:18:21. > :18:23.new government plans to close Victorian jails and sell them

:18:24. > :18:27.for housing. The reforms are part

:18:28. > :18:34.of the Chancellor's Spending Review He says around 10,000 prisoners will

:18:35. > :18:37.be transferred to new institutions, which will save around ?80 million

:18:38. > :18:43.a year. says it's on course to win 70%

:18:44. > :18:46.of the parliamentary seats Although just a few results

:18:47. > :18:51.have been officially announced, the party's leader,

:18:52. > :18:53.Aung San Suu Kyi, Under the constitution,

:18:54. > :18:59.the military is guaranteed a quarter

:19:00. > :19:02.of all parliamentary seats. And take a look at these pictures

:19:03. > :19:05.from Mississippi. It's a hole that opened up

:19:06. > :19:09.in a car park outside a restaurant - diners described

:19:10. > :19:10.how they were eating their meals when the lights suddenly went out

:19:11. > :19:14.and they heard a loud crash. They rushed out to find their cars

:19:15. > :19:29.swallowed by up the 14m hole. Let's catch up with all the sport

:19:30. > :19:34.and join Jess, and as we have been hearing, dark days for athletics.

:19:35. > :19:38.Yes, it looks as though athletics is facing its worst crisis in its

:19:39. > :19:42.history, we are expecting confirmation of widespread doping,

:19:43. > :19:47.cover-ups, bribery and extortion, and as the current president, Lord

:19:48. > :19:51.Coe has said, these are dark days for the sport, and it faces a long

:19:52. > :19:56.road to redemption. We expect the publication of the report at two

:19:57. > :20:01.o'clock this afternoon. Elsewhere in sport, Danny Kent has

:20:02. > :20:06.become Britain's first Grand Prix motorcycling world champion in 38

:20:07. > :20:12.years. Andy Murray is travelling to the Queen's Club later today. He

:20:13. > :20:17.hopes to prepare for the Davis Cup final against Belgium at the end of

:20:18. > :20:21.the month by practising on clay. And a special guest for you this

:20:22. > :20:26.morning, Joanna, a wrestler will be live with me at ten o'clock. He has

:20:27. > :20:31.been billed as the next superstar of WWE. I admit, I used to watch it as

:20:32. > :20:36.a child, and I have asked the producers for a crash mat. Hopefully

:20:37. > :20:39.we can get a live demo going, turn the BBC Sport Centre into a

:20:40. > :20:41.wrestling ring, I don't know, what you think?

:20:42. > :20:43.50 years ago today, an Act of Parliament abolished

:20:44. > :20:58.It followed a series of high-profile cases in the 1950s. Derek Bentley

:20:59. > :21:04.was just 19 years old when he was hanged for the murder of a policeman

:21:05. > :21:06.during a burglary. In 1998, the Appeal Court quashed his conviction.

:21:07. > :21:08.Our legal correspondent Clive Coleman looks back at some

:21:09. > :21:11.of the cases that led to the end of capital punishment.

:21:12. > :21:18.And he used to laugh, when we used to go in there.

:21:19. > :21:25.He said one day, I don't want to live, my baby's dead now.

:21:26. > :21:28.In 1950, Maureen Westlake's half brother, Timothy Evans, a simple man

:21:29. > :21:30.with learning difficulties, was accused of murdering his wife

:21:31. > :21:37.At his trial at the Old Bailey, he accused the man who lived

:21:38. > :21:41.in the flat below the couple at 10 Rillington Place in Notting Hill,

:21:42. > :21:42.former Special Constable John Christie.

:21:43. > :21:47.Three years after Timothy was convicted and hanged,

:21:48. > :21:53.were discovered in an alcove in Christie's kitchen.

:21:54. > :21:55.He was a serial killer who'd murdered six women,

:21:56. > :21:59.including his own wife, and confessed to killing Beryl.

:22:00. > :22:03.We used to have to see him in the street.

:22:04. > :22:09.Eileen and I used to say we wanted to go up and rip into pieces.

:22:10. > :22:16.But we couldn't do anything or say anything because we couldn't,

:22:17. > :22:20.In 1953, another man with learning difficulties,

:22:21. > :22:23.19-year-old Derek Bentley, was hanged

:22:24. > :22:27.for the murder of a policeman during a bungled burglary.

:22:28. > :22:30.The court was told his accomplice, 16-year-old Christopher Craig,

:22:31. > :22:34.shot the officer, but he was too young to be executed.

:22:35. > :22:37.The case increased public disquiet about the death penalty.

:22:38. > :22:43.Derek Bentley was posthumously pardoned.

:22:44. > :22:48.ARCHIVE: On June the 21st, Ruth Ellis,

:22:49. > :22:51.was found guilty of murder at the Old Bailey...

:22:52. > :22:53.But it was the execution of a glamorous young mother

:22:54. > :22:58.that raised public concern about the death penalty to a new level.

:22:59. > :23:01.Here, still in the walls of this north London pub are

:23:02. > :23:05.bullet holes from the shots fired by Ruth Ellis on Easter Sunday 1955.

:23:06. > :23:08.She'd laid in wait for her lover David Blakely to leave the pub.

:23:09. > :23:18.she fired three more bullets and killed him.

:23:19. > :23:21.Ruth Ellis had extraordinarily powerful personal mitigation.

:23:22. > :23:24.Days before the killing, David Blakely's physical violence towards

:23:25. > :23:32.crowds supporting her massed outside Holloway prison.

:23:33. > :23:36.But what finally led to the abolition of the death penalty?

:23:37. > :23:39.Those notorious cases in the 1950s which created a lot of

:23:40. > :23:44.public disquiet and were regarded as miscarriages of justice.

:23:45. > :23:47.There was a new generation of MPs elected in the '50s who were

:23:48. > :23:49.opposed to capital punishment and there was very active lobbying

:23:50. > :23:52.outside Parliament by campaign groups to end the death penalty.

:23:53. > :23:55.It was those three factors coming together

:23:56. > :23:58.that really led to abolition in 1965.

:23:59. > :24:00.Maureen Westlake understands the emotions

:24:01. > :24:03.of those whose loved ones are murdered,

:24:04. > :24:07.but not putting someone to death by a state executioner.

:24:08. > :24:17.There was a botched attempt to change the law in 1957,

:24:18. > :24:19.but it wasn't until this day in 1965

:24:20. > :24:24.that capital punishment was itself finally laid to rest.

:24:25. > :24:31.have abolished the death penalty for all crime.

:24:32. > :24:36.In 2014, at least 22 counties around the world carried out executions.

:24:37. > :24:44.And in the same year, 2,466 people were sentenced to death worldwide.

:24:45. > :24:46.Let's speak to Julian Knowles QC and barrister,

:24:47. > :24:51.Maria Bentley-Dingwall is the niece of Derek Bentley and a human rights

:24:52. > :24:54.activist, and Robert Douglas is an ex-prison officer of 15 years.

:24:55. > :24:56.In 1963, he guarded the murderer Russell Pascoe,

:24:57. > :25:09.one of the last men to be hanged in this country in Bristol.

:25:10. > :25:17.Maria, first of all, how much did what happened to Derek shape your

:25:18. > :25:22.life? I got into politics, I became a counsellor, and I thought, if

:25:23. > :25:29.no-one else is going to do it, I will do it myself. It was very much,

:25:30. > :25:33.like, watching my grandparents be' agony, that they could not get the

:25:34. > :25:40.courts to reopen it, I thought, this is the only route, so I started as a

:25:41. > :25:45.councillor and worked my way up. So was it something that was always

:25:46. > :25:51.around you? Oh, yeah, especially the BBC, because they done a

:25:52. > :25:55.documentary, they realised we had all the furniture from when Derek

:25:56. > :25:58.was alive, so one of the wagons turned up outside the house, took

:25:59. > :26:04.most of the furniture, it seems normal! If I was playing in the

:26:05. > :26:09.corner of the room and mum and grandad were doing an interview with

:26:10. > :26:15.camera crews, it was everyday life. You said about the fact that your

:26:16. > :26:24.grandparents could not get the courts to revisit, because obviously

:26:25. > :26:30.of the finality of what happened. It wasn't around to show that Derek did

:26:31. > :26:34.not make that statement, that it was a coerced statement, that he did not

:26:35. > :26:43.say those words, because we found a police officer who said that Derek,

:26:44. > :26:48.luck, he said, I was only feet away, but I wasn't allowed to give

:26:49. > :26:53.evidence, I was not stopped but I was coerced, it wouldn't be for the

:26:54. > :26:58.best. What impact does it have on a family like yours when there has

:26:59. > :27:04.been that finality but you are carrying on fighting for a

:27:05. > :27:08.miscarriage of justice? He was ultimately, his conviction for

:27:09. > :27:13.murder was ultimately quashed in 1998, but that was a very long

:27:14. > :27:18.battle. It was a long, long battle. Sadly, my grandparents did not get

:27:19. > :27:22.to see it, my mother died a year previously, and that is the biggest

:27:23. > :27:28.travesty, that they were not there to see their hard work... I was born

:27:29. > :27:33.into it, but they went through it, they sat in their sitting room on

:27:34. > :27:37.the 28th of January, and at nine o'clock that morning they knew that

:27:38. > :27:43.their son has just been murdered. Can you imagine how that must feel?

:27:44. > :27:49.That you cannot do anything? The night before, Mum wanted to go and

:27:50. > :27:54.see Derek, and there is a glass window up, and she just wanted to

:27:55. > :27:59.get a chair and break through it so she could hug her brother for the

:28:00. > :28:05.last time. But you weren't allowed to touch them, in case you were

:28:06. > :28:12.going to do them any harm. That is what I have had all my life, the

:28:13. > :28:18.feelings, but the love too, the love of an uncle I have never had. But I

:28:19. > :28:23.know he loves me and I love him. And you have dedicated your life to what

:28:24. > :28:30.happened. Yes, and also to make sure that other cases around the world

:28:31. > :28:35.too, that we highlight the injustice of the death penalty, because some

:28:36. > :28:42.countries just use it for, you know, because you have stolen something.

:28:43. > :28:49.It is wrong, death is wrong. For a country to be a humanitarian

:28:50. > :28:53.country, you have got to have a legal system that you can be proud

:28:54. > :28:57.of. I want to bring in Robert Douglas, you were speaking about the

:28:58. > :29:02.agonising final moments of Derek's life for your family. Roberts saw it

:29:03. > :29:12.on the other side, in that you were a former prison officer, actually

:29:13. > :29:17.with Russell Pascoe, one of the last meant to be hanged in this country,

:29:18. > :29:23.as he was heading for his execution. What was your perspective? Well, it

:29:24. > :29:29.was part of the job, when you were a prison officer back then. I sat with

:29:30. > :29:33.Russell Pascoe in December 1963, and if you were a prison officer, you

:29:34. > :29:38.knew there was always a chance you may have to sit with somebody for

:29:39. > :29:44.six weeks, which obviously happened to me. And most of the time, when a

:29:45. > :29:49.prisoner comes into the condemned cell, he has his appeal, then he has

:29:50. > :29:54.an appeal to the Home Secretary for clemency, and then the day before,

:29:55. > :29:58.the last thing is an appeal to the Queen. When they come in, they are

:29:59. > :30:04.quite relaxed, they think they have three chances to get off, and only

:30:05. > :30:08.when it gets towards the end does it become really heavy. How did you

:30:09. > :30:13.feel about the death penalty at the time? Did you question it? Well, at

:30:14. > :30:17.the time it was part of life. I must say, I am not just saying it because

:30:18. > :30:21.she is on the show, but even before I became a prison officer, I thought

:30:22. > :30:26.Derek Bentley should never have been hanged. I think the police were so

:30:27. > :30:29.determined to get somebody, they could not get Christopher Craig, so

:30:30. > :30:35.they twisted what Bentley was supposed to have said, let him have

:30:36. > :30:40.it. He was telling him to give him the gun, so they did not get into

:30:41. > :30:44.further trouble. I have great sympathy for the Bentley family.

:30:45. > :30:49.That is very kind of you, and I know the prison officer that looked after

:30:50. > :30:52.Derek, he, you know, he came to us afterwards and spoke to ask, and he

:30:53. > :30:57.looked after Derek, and he wrote his last letter, and he was a really

:30:58. > :31:01.lovely guy. So it helped Derek's last stage tremendously, so that is

:31:02. > :31:10.really kind of you to say that. It is a huge responsibility for the

:31:11. > :31:15.prison guards involved in these cases? It was a case of sitting with

:31:16. > :31:19.them. There were three officers and you were in three pairs. I went down

:31:20. > :31:25.from Birmingham Prison where I was stationed to Bristol and I teamed up

:31:26. > :31:31.with another officer and it was a case a condemned man was never left

:31:32. > :31:45.alone. His co accused was a nasty piece of work, so the officers told

:31:46. > :31:50.us, but Pascal was led astray. We played cards and Monopoly and sat

:31:51. > :31:57.and talked and told jokes and he had his birthday when he was in and I

:31:58. > :32:05.brought him in a cream cake for his birthday. The remaining ten days I

:32:06. > :32:14.would bring him in a cream cake. We got on very well with Pascal, but he

:32:15. > :32:18.had been led astray. What is the legacy for this country having had

:32:19. > :32:22.the death penalty and having it abolished now? Our abolition

:32:23. > :32:27.experience taught us a number of things, first of all that legal

:32:28. > :32:31.systems can go wrong and it is firm policy goal of the UK Government and

:32:32. > :32:37.it has been a for a number of years to work for abolition and the work

:32:38. > :32:39.is bearing fruit, countries are gradually abolishing the death

:32:40. > :32:43.penalty and that's largely as a result of the UK Government and

:32:44. > :32:46.other governments working through the United Nations which encourages

:32:47. > :32:50.countries to look for alternatives to the death penalty. It resulted in

:32:51. > :32:54.the UK Government having this as a firm policy goal which it does

:32:55. > :32:59.actively pursue. Secondly, it affects the way in which the UK's

:33:00. > :33:04.law enforcement agencies work with other overseas agencies in criminal

:33:05. > :33:07.investigations. We are reluctant to help other countries in cases where

:33:08. > :33:11.there maybe a death sentence imposed. All of that is drawn from

:33:12. > :33:15.the lessons that we learned during abolition as I say namely that

:33:16. > :33:24.systems fail. No matter how many protections you have, no matter how

:33:25. > :33:28.many layers of appeal, the system can fail. The system failed and

:33:29. > :33:31.because we've learned those lessons, we're determined to make sure that

:33:32. > :33:40.similar tragedies don't happen around the world. One of the

:33:41. > :33:43.arguments that people cite for the death centre penalty is it is a

:33:44. > :33:49.deterrent? The best work has been done in the United States where

:33:50. > :33:54.sophisticated models have been built up and the General Awe did Office in

:33:55. > :33:57.the United States had an overview of all studies and there is no

:33:58. > :34:02.deterrent effect that can be shown. I agree with that. The work I've

:34:03. > :34:12.been and the prisons I have been into, they are full of murderers. It

:34:13. > :34:14.isn't a der at theant. Deterrent. Rehabilitation is a thing we have to

:34:15. > :34:17.look forward at in all the countries. It does cost more money

:34:18. > :34:25.and the governments say, you know, we haven't got it, but we have to do

:34:26. > :34:30.it. We have to look forward and it has to be down that route. It just

:34:31. > :34:34.fundamentally has no place in a modern, moral legal system. Exactly.

:34:35. > :34:39.Thank you very much. We have to leave our discuss.

:34:40. > :34:42.-- discussion. We're going to go to David Cameron. He is giving a speech

:34:43. > :34:47.right now about Europe to business leaders and we can listen in. Has

:34:48. > :34:51.always spoken truth to power. Someone who I've worked with very

:34:52. > :35:02.close will, your great leader, John Cridland, John, thank you very much.

:35:03. > :35:07.APPLAUSE Let me welcome Caroline, it is great

:35:08. > :35:10.that the Crib is going to tap into strong female leadership, it is

:35:11. > :35:13.about time and a great welcome to her. I'm sure she will do a

:35:14. > :35:17.brilliant job. Can I welcome what you are saying about global

:35:18. > :35:22.ambition? That's right for Britain. Not least in a week when we welcome

:35:23. > :35:25.the Indian Prime Minister, having recently welcomed the Chinese

:35:26. > :35:31.president and John, can I welcome what you say about a scoring Britain

:35:32. > :35:36.as an Aston Villa fan, this is something close to my heart, scoring

:35:37. > :35:42.would be a very good idea! Thinking about what to speak about today, I

:35:43. > :35:47.went back to what I said to you in 2010 when I stao on a stage just

:35:48. > :35:51.like this and I said I wanted the next five years to be amongst the

:35:52. > :35:55.most dynamic and enterprising in Britain's history. Now, I'm not

:35:56. > :35:59.standing here and claiming we have solved all of Britain's economic

:36:00. > :36:04.problems, but we are in an immensely stronger position today than we were

:36:05. > :36:07.five years ago. You can see that in the 900,000 more businesses there

:36:08. > :36:12.are operating in Britain. You can see it in the fact that we employ

:36:13. > :36:16.two million more people. But I also think these have been years where

:36:17. > :36:21.the entrepreneurial spirit has really got going again in Britain.

:36:22. > :36:28.I'm not going to dazzle you with statistics, but it is notable that

:36:29. > :36:33.we've got unicorns, you might think what the hell are unicorns? A

:36:34. > :36:37.unicorn is a start-up business that's already reached ?1 billion in

:36:38. > :36:44.value. Four out of ten unicorns in Europe are based here in Britain,

:36:45. > :36:50.businesses like Just Eat, like asos, you can see it in the fact when

:36:51. > :36:53.compared with 2010, venture capital is investing ten times more in

:36:54. > :36:58.Britain than it did five years ago. You can see it in the fact that in

:36:59. > :37:03.the last five years, 191 new companies have decided to head

:37:04. > :37:09.quarter here in Britain, far more than any other country in Europe.

:37:10. > :37:12.These have been years of enterprise, go to tech city, it is an

:37:13. > :37:17.extraordinary thing that just five years ago, there were 250 businesses

:37:18. > :37:23.in tech city. There are now over 3,000. It is Europe's tech hub. So I

:37:24. > :37:28.think these have been years of enterprise. They are years of dithat

:37:29. > :37:33.meusm, but we have got so much more to do. I want to briefly say where I

:37:34. > :37:37.think we are. Identify what the next challenges for us to tackle together

:37:38. > :37:41.are and then mention two of the biggest challenges, the deficit and

:37:42. > :37:45.Europe and then I'll happily take your questions. And in terms of

:37:46. > :37:48.where we are, we've got this position of a stronger economy, a

:37:49. > :37:52.deficit down by half, the fastest growth in the G7, we have done it

:37:53. > :37:56.through partnership. You were very clear about what you wanted from

:37:57. > :38:02.Government. You wanted lower taxes and we've cut our corporate taxes to

:38:03. > :38:05.the lowest in the G20 and we are heading for an 18% corporation tax.

:38:06. > :38:10.You said you wanted regulation lifted off business. We've taken ?10

:38:11. > :38:14.billion of regulation off business and our rules on regulation, if any

:38:15. > :38:18.minister of mine wants to introduce a regulation, they have to cut two

:38:19. > :38:24.regulations that, I think is working well. You said you wanted planning

:38:25. > :38:27.reformed and we produced thousands of planning guidance with 50 key

:38:28. > :38:32.pages so Britain starts building againment you said you wanted

:38:33. > :38:36.infrastructure prioritised, we haven't solved our infrastructure

:38:37. > :38:40.problems by any manner of moons, but we are about to complete the biggest

:38:41. > :38:45.infrastructure project anywhere in Europe, we have given the green

:38:46. > :38:50.light to HS2 and we have set-up, not just an infrastructure plan, but now

:38:51. > :38:53.a cross party, all party, non political infrastructure commission

:38:54. > :38:57.to make sure we build what we need for our future. Now we haven't

:38:58. > :39:04.managed to achieve all of the things I would like to, but under those key

:39:05. > :39:08.issues, taxes, infrastructure, red tape, planning, skills, in the last

:39:09. > :39:12.Parliament we trained two million apprentices so we are beginning to

:39:13. > :39:16.deal with Britain's skills deficit. I think we have come a long way, but

:39:17. > :39:19.we have come a long way businessed on partnership and I hope that this

:39:20. > :39:23.organisation, under its new leadership, will continue to work

:39:24. > :39:27.with us. We want to be the most business friendly, the most

:39:28. > :39:31.enterprise friendly Government anywhere in Europe. That's the goal.

:39:32. > :39:34.So help us to achieve that. One of the ways we can measure progress is

:39:35. > :39:40.through the international definition of the best place in the world to do

:39:41. > :39:44.business and we've just moved to sixth out of the entire globe. This

:39:45. > :39:48.is the sixth best place anywhere in the world to start and to run a

:39:49. > :39:52.business. So first point, keep working with us to drifr that.

:39:53. > :39:57.Second thing, what do we need to do next? The problems that remain we

:39:58. > :40:01.are still not exporting enough, we still don't have a balanced enough

:40:02. > :40:04.economy, and we've got a particular issue with some of our

:40:05. > :40:08.infrastructure including broadband. So let me say some of the things I

:40:09. > :40:13.think I need to focus on and dare I say t some of the things I hope that

:40:14. > :40:16.you will focus on. And in terms of our focus in Government, you're

:40:17. > :40:20.going to see a real drive to help more of you export. We still have a

:40:21. > :40:24.situation in Britain where about 11% of our companies export, we want to

:40:25. > :40:28.drive that up and you can already see the big advertising campaign,

:40:29. > :40:32.the big promotional campaign to encourage exporting. We still need

:40:33. > :40:36.to do better on skills. And you're going to see from us the funding for

:40:37. > :40:42.three million apprentices in this Parliament. And as said, a big focus

:40:43. > :40:45.for us is going to be broadband. If you're a business, or an individual

:40:46. > :40:49.or a household and you're not connected to broadband, it is like

:40:50. > :40:52.not being connected to the road network or not connected to the

:40:53. > :40:58.electricity network and today I can say what we're going to do next.

:40:59. > :41:04.We're taking this country from 2010, about 45% of homes passed to now 83%

:41:05. > :41:09.of homes passed we're on track to get to 95% of homes passed in 2017,

:41:10. > :41:14.but one of the ways we're going to get to that next step and go beyond

:41:15. > :41:19.it is to treat broadband in the same way that we treat tell fondy and in

:41:20. > :41:21.the same way we treat electricity which is to have a Universal Service

:41:22. > :41:28.Obligation. which is to have a Universal Service

:41:29. > :41:33.with Ofcom about how best to deliver it, but the minimum guarantee of 10

:41:34. > :41:35.with Ofcom about how best to deliver megabits per second that should be

:41:36. > :41:36.with Ofcom about how best to deliver delivered through a universal

:41:37. > :41:39.service guarantee. For us, delivered through a universal

:41:40. > :41:49.on exports, a focus delivered through a universal

:41:50. > :41:53.more balanced than it was, we have seen unemployment fall in every

:41:54. > :41:57.region. We have actually seen exports and manufacturing grow

:41:58. > :41:58.faster outside London and the South East than inside it, but there is

:41:59. > :42:02.much more we can do and I'd really East than inside it, but there is

:42:03. > :42:06.encourage you to work with us with this devolution revolution that's

:42:07. > :42:08.encourage you to work with us with taking place where we where we

:42:09. > :42:11.devolve the uniform business rate to local authorities. This will be one

:42:12. > :42:16.of the biggest changes in the way we run our country in years because in

:42:17. > :42:18.future, the local councils will want to attract your businesses to set-up

:42:19. > :42:22.in their area. Today, to attract your businesses to set-up

:42:23. > :42:25.little interest in doing that. In future f you

:42:26. > :42:34.will keep the money and reconnecting will keep the money and reconnecting

:42:35. > :42:38.very big change. In terms of the things I hope that you

:42:39. > :42:38.very big change. In terms of the and challenges if you like that I've

:42:39. > :42:38.thrown out to are not always easy, let me mention

:42:39. > :42:45.a couple. are not always easy, let me mention

:42:46. > :42:49.the national Living Wage. I know this is a challenge for

:42:50. > :42:50.the national Living Wage. I know it is the right challenge. We have

:42:51. > :42:55.got to move towards an economy where it is the right challenge. We have

:42:56. > :42:56.we have lower taxes, higher pay, it is the right challenge. We have

:42:57. > :42:59.lower welfare. It makes no sense it is the right challenge. We have

:43:00. > :43:03.have an economy where we take money away from people in taxes, give it

:43:04. > :43:07.back to them in ever more complicated benefits. Instead of

:43:08. > :43:10.having an economy where we pay people properly and don't take their

:43:11. > :43:13.money in taxes and encourage enterprise and work.

:43:14. > :43:17.money in taxes and encourage with us on the national Living Wage.

:43:18. > :43:21.Second thing is please work with us on the skills agenda. I know it is

:43:22. > :43:24.going to be a challenge. The apprenticeship levy, but we all know

:43:25. > :43:29.we need a more highly skilled economy. The Government can play its

:43:30. > :43:31.part, not least through school reform and you will hear from Nicky

:43:32. > :43:35.Morgan this afternoon, but we need you to play your part through

:43:36. > :43:38.funding the apprenticeship levy and making sure we are one of the

:43:39. > :43:43.leaders in Europe when it comes to skills and not one of the followers.

:43:44. > :43:49.Let me just mention finally, as I said I would, sorry one more thing

:43:50. > :43:53.I'm asking for you, a bit of a shopping list. One more thing I want

:43:54. > :43:56.to ask you from is to work with us on the agenda of fighting

:43:57. > :43:59.discrimination and promoting equality. Everyone in this room

:44:00. > :44:04.believes in opportunity. Everyone in this room believes you should be

:44:05. > :44:09.able to rise as high as your talents allow you, but we have to admit that

:44:10. > :44:13.for some people that opportunity is blocked because of where they come

:44:14. > :44:16.from or the colour of their skin or the circumstances that they were

:44:17. > :44:21.born into. We need to crack that together. And what I said at the

:44:22. > :44:25.party conference about name blind application which is going to take

:44:26. > :44:28.place in our universities and also take part for instance our Civil

:44:29. > :44:33.Service, please, the more of you that can work with that, I think,

:44:34. > :44:36.the better. We want to build a country where we really access the

:44:37. > :44:41.talent of everybody and no one is held back. Let me finally mention

:44:42. > :44:44.the two, perhaps the two biggest challenges of all that we face in

:44:45. > :44:48.our country in the coming five years. I think we're in a strong

:44:49. > :44:51.position. The economy is growing. Unemployment has been coming dourngs

:44:52. > :44:55.business is thriving, all over the world people can see this is a very

:44:56. > :44:58.enterprising place to come and investment here are the two big

:44:59. > :45:03.challenges we've got to solve. First of all, we haven't finished the work

:45:04. > :45:07.on the deficit. It has come down by half, soon to be down by a third,

:45:08. > :45:11.but we've got to finish the job. Some people, when we look at what

:45:12. > :45:14.we're doing, this say, of course, I understand you've got to live within

:45:15. > :45:18.your means, Ind stand you have to reduce the deficit, but why are you

:45:19. > :45:23.targeting a surplus? Let me tell you briefly why I think it is so

:45:24. > :45:27.important. By 2019, this country would have been growing for nine or

:45:28. > :45:32.ten years and if at the end of nine or ten years growth, you're not

:45:33. > :45:37.putting aside money for a rainy day, you're not paying down your debt to

:45:38. > :45:40.GDP ration yo, then when are you going to do that? To me, one of the

:45:41. > :45:44.most important things that a Government can deliver is long-term

:45:45. > :45:55.economic security and stability. If you wait for a minute, you can

:45:56. > :46:00.have a discussion, rather than interrupting what is a very good

:46:01. > :46:05.conference. , on, guys, if you sit down now, you can ask me a

:46:06. > :46:07.question, rather than making fools of yourselves by standing up and

:46:08. > :46:16.protesting. APPLAUSE

:46:17. > :46:29.Yeah. You have made your point, thank you very much. Well done. Even

:46:30. > :46:40.I can remember that script without any notes! Thanks, guys! Right...

:46:41. > :46:46.The final two points, deficit, on the deficit, it is important we get

:46:47. > :46:50.to a surplus. We need to reduce our debt to GDP ratio so we are strong

:46:51. > :46:54.and secure. Why does it matter so much? I don't stand on a stage like

:46:55. > :47:00.this and tell you I have abolished boom and bust. There may be rainy

:47:01. > :47:04.days and, no-one can tell, and as Prime Minister, as an economy, we

:47:05. > :47:08.should be thinking about how we cope with rainy days, how we give

:47:09. > :47:12.ourselves the capacity to respond with a strong and robust set of

:47:13. > :47:17.public finances. I would say work with us, help us to explain why, in

:47:18. > :47:21.some years, it is important to run a surplus. The final challenge,

:47:22. > :47:25.Europe, and this is going to be a huge question for our country in the

:47:26. > :47:29.year ahead and until we have that referendum. Now, I am not going to

:47:30. > :47:33.lay out all the arguments for you today, not least because I have a

:47:34. > :47:39.very big speech tomorrow, and I don't want to pre-empt myself, as it

:47:40. > :47:42.were. But I just want to say this, first of all, the negotiation I am

:47:43. > :47:49.engaged in, that is really starting with this letter that I am sending

:47:50. > :47:53.Donald Tusk, the council president, tomorrow, I think it is vital for

:47:54. > :47:56.the future of our country. I am not satisfied with the status quo in

:47:57. > :48:00.Europe, and the things I want fixed, whether it is making a more

:48:01. > :48:04.competitive Europe, whether it is making sure we are out of ever

:48:05. > :48:07.closer union, making sure there is proper fan is between those in and

:48:08. > :48:13.out of the eurozone, as John Cridland said. -- fairness. Or

:48:14. > :48:17.whether it is reducing the pressures of immigration, these are big and

:48:18. > :48:21.important changes, and it is vital that we achieve them. Once I have

:48:22. > :48:25.achieved them, if I can achieve them, you will see me campaigning

:48:26. > :48:29.vigorously for Britain to stay in a reformed Europe. If I cannot achieve

:48:30. > :48:33.them, I rule nothing out. Europe needs to change, and I think it is

:48:34. > :48:38.very important we make this argument. And it is a massive

:48:39. > :48:42.challenge for our country, so while I am not starting, not firing the

:48:43. > :48:47.starting gun on the referendum campaign, what I have done in recent

:48:48. > :48:51.weeks is just to debunk some of the daft arguments that people put

:48:52. > :49:00.around. So last week I talked about what I think is a very duff argument

:49:01. > :49:04.put about by the out campaign, which is that it would be easy for Britain

:49:05. > :49:09.to sign up to a deal like Norway. I think that would be a bad idea. If

:49:10. > :49:14.we look at the detail of the deal that Norway has, they pay more per

:49:15. > :49:18.head into the European Union than we do, they take more migration than we

:49:19. > :49:23.do, and yet they don't have a seat at the table to determine what the

:49:24. > :49:27.rules are. So that is a bad deal, so the people who definitely want to

:49:28. > :49:31.leave, they need to come up with a better argument than, let's have a

:49:32. > :49:37.position like Norway. But I also want to debunk an Arquin and that is

:49:38. > :49:41.sometimes but around... We will leave the Prime Minister talking to

:49:42. > :49:45.business leaders at the CBI conference, starting to talk about

:49:46. > :49:48.Europe, saying he is not firing the starting gun on the campaign but

:49:49. > :49:52.starting to flesh out the arguments more. We will be hearing from Norman

:49:53. > :50:00.Smith later, and you can watch the rest of that speech online at the

:50:01. > :50:07.BBC website. Let's get the very latest weather update with Carol

:50:08. > :50:11.Kirkwood, but before that, we want to hear bit more about you, how are

:50:12. > :50:15.you feeling today? Relieved, Strictly was a wonderful

:50:16. > :50:18.experience, such good fun. Let's have a look at some of your best

:50:19. > :50:27.moments, there have been a lot of them!

:50:28. > :50:33.I think Pasha is gorgeous. You are the best. If I could not get the

:50:34. > :50:39.steps, he would say, don't worry, you will get them tomorrow. The

:50:40. > :50:45.judges were mostly encouraging, Joanna. Sometimes they were a bit

:50:46. > :50:51.harsh! It was such good fun, Pasha is patient, a gentleman, he never

:50:52. > :50:57.ever humiliated me in any sense, just lovely, I could not praise

:50:58. > :51:02.highly enough. Such fun. Good for the waistline as well! You were

:51:03. > :51:07.amazing, and the audience loved you. The audience at home were so kind,

:51:08. > :51:12.because it was the audience that kept as in, the scores were not

:51:13. > :51:17.great, but it really was good fun. I guess it is a release of endorphins,

:51:18. > :51:22.all that exercise, good music, just than sing to it, but it is so

:51:23. > :51:27.different. When you are dancing at a party, you just move in time to the

:51:28. > :51:31.music. With this, you think of every single step, get your neck up, chest

:51:32. > :51:36.out, bend one leg, straight in the other, all in one beat, it is harder

:51:37. > :51:42.than it looks. I want to see you at the next BBC party! You and me on

:51:43. > :51:48.that dance floor, it is a date! Lovely to have you back, what can

:51:49. > :51:53.you tell us about the weather? It is a bit unsettled, quite a lot

:51:54. > :51:57.of rain around and also some wind. For the rest of this week, that is

:51:58. > :52:02.roughly what we are looking at, windy conditions at times, rain at

:52:03. > :52:06.times, and it is going to stay mild as well. Now, temperatures have been

:52:07. > :52:11.above average for the time of year, and they will continue to be so,

:52:12. > :52:16.especially tomorrow morning. It is a windy start to the day, and it has

:52:17. > :52:21.been from the word go. Rain across parts of Scotland, Northern Ireland,

:52:22. > :52:24.northern England and Wales, some could lead to localised flooding

:52:25. > :52:29.across West Yorkshire in particular. Gusty winds, gusting up

:52:30. > :52:32.to 50 or 60 mph across central and southern Scotland, the transparent

:52:33. > :52:36.roots, possibly a bit more than that, something to bear in mind if

:52:37. > :52:50.you are travelling, the wind and rain is not a nice one. -- windy

:52:51. > :52:55.along the south coast this afternoon, gusts of up to 40 mph,

:52:56. > :53:13.but for a lot of southern and central and eastern England it is

:53:14. > :53:15.dry. Four. Increasingly the wind will strengthen

:53:16. > :53:17.dry. Four. Increasingly the wind Isles, gusts of up to 60 mph.

:53:18. > :53:21.Through the Isles, gusts of up to 60 mph.

:53:22. > :53:29.strengthen across Northern Ireland, it will bake a little bit, but

:53:30. > :53:34.strengthen across Northern Ireland, night. -- abate.

:53:35. > :53:35.strengthen across Northern Ireland, still high for during the day if we

:53:36. > :53:40.looked still high for during the day if we

:53:41. > :53:41.Tomorrow morning, still windy, for some of us a wet one.

:53:42. > :53:44.Tomorrow morning, still windy, for the rain across Northern Ireland and

:53:45. > :53:48.Scotland. the rain across Northern Ireland and

:53:49. > :53:54.but through the the rain across Northern Ireland and

:53:55. > :53:58.Midlands, in the direction of East Anglia. Look at the temperatures,

:53:59. > :54:03.Midlands, in the direction of East 10-17 Celsius. In fact, parts of

:54:04. > :54:07.south-east Scotland, north-east England and Cheshire could have

:54:08. > :54:10.17-Nadine, way above average. And as we move through Tuesday into

:54:11. > :54:13.Wednesday, the we move through Tuesday into

:54:14. > :54:15.has been producing the rain for the next couple of days will still be

:54:16. > :54:18.with us. You can tell next couple of days will still be

:54:19. > :54:22.squeeze on the isobars that it is also going to be windy, not as windy

:54:23. > :54:24.as today, but nonetheless you will notice it. This is the band of rain,

:54:25. > :54:27.in the north we are notice it. This is the band of rain,

:54:28. > :54:31.showers. South of notice it. This is the band of rain,

:54:32. > :54:40.cloud, temperatures by then Hello, it's Monday,

:54:41. > :54:42.I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme

:54:43. > :54:54.if you've just joined us. As the world of athletics braces

:54:55. > :55:03.itself for reports of corruption, Richard Yates tells us the claims

:55:04. > :55:07.have shattered his faith in the sport. We thought they were trying

:55:08. > :55:14.to back as, but if that is not the case, then what sort of hope do we

:55:15. > :55:16.have as a sport? All the details and more reaction to the claims.

:55:17. > :55:19.Hundreds of British tourists are still stranded in Sharm el-Sheikh.

:55:20. > :55:22.We'll look at the effort to bring the last of them home.

:55:23. > :55:25.Why are more girls and young women getting involved in violent crime?

:55:26. > :55:40.We'll be joined live by former girl-gang members.

:55:41. > :55:46.The Chancellor has agreed cuts of 30% with four government department

:55:47. > :55:52.as part of the Spending Review aimed at putting the public finances back

:55:53. > :55:54.into surplus by 2020. Transport, local government, environment and

:55:55. > :56:00.the Treasury have told the Chancellor they will reduce their

:56:01. > :56:04.budgets by 8% a year. A report into alleged corruption in athletics is

:56:05. > :56:08.due to be released later today. The World Anti-Doping Agency set up an

:56:09. > :56:11.inquiry after it was alleged that Russian officials had accepted

:56:12. > :56:15.bribes to cover up positive drug tests. The new head of world

:56:16. > :56:19.athletics, Lord Coe, has acknowledged there will be a long

:56:20. > :56:22.road to redemption for the sport. I am more determined than ever to

:56:23. > :56:31.rebuild the trust in our sport. It is not going to be a short journey.

:56:32. > :56:33.Take a look at these incredible pictures from Mississippi.

:56:34. > :56:36.It's a hole that opened up in a car park outside a restaurant.

:56:37. > :56:38.Diners described how they were eating their meals

:56:39. > :56:41.when the lights suddenly went out and they heard a loud crash.

:56:42. > :56:44.They rushed out to find their cars swallowed by up the 14-metre hole.

:56:45. > :56:48.Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Jess.

:56:49. > :56:52.Sport dominated by the doping story today.

:56:53. > :56:55.As you've been discussing this morning, Joanna, the big story today

:56:56. > :56:59.is the report that's to be published later that's expected to confirm

:57:00. > :57:07.allegations of widespread bribery and corruption within athletics.

:57:08. > :57:13.The findings of an independent commission,

:57:14. > :57:14.set up by the World Anti-Doping Agency,

:57:15. > :57:16.are to be published at two o'clock this afternoon.

:57:17. > :57:21.has already said that these are dark days for the sport.

:57:22. > :57:27.Away from that story, the Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp said he felt

:57:28. > :57:30.It was Liverpool's first defeat under their new German manager.

:57:31. > :57:32.Sections of the Anfield support left

:57:33. > :57:35.after Scott Dan's late goal put Palace 2-1 up.

:57:36. > :57:39.Klopp said, I turned around and I felt pretty alone at this moment.

:57:40. > :57:44.in the final of the Paris Masters yesterday by Novak Djokovic.

:57:45. > :57:46.He lost in straight sets to the world number one,

:57:47. > :57:50.but immediately set his sights on this month's Davis Cup final.

:57:51. > :57:53.He'll begin practising on clay today for the match against Belgium

:57:54. > :58:01.And it's Danny, champion of the world.

:58:02. > :58:03.That's Danny Kent, who yesterday became Britain's

:58:04. > :58:05.first Grand Prix motorcycling world champion for 38 years.

:58:06. > :58:09.He won the Moto3 title in Valencia yesterday.

:58:10. > :58:14.The last British world champion was Barry Sheene in 1977.

:58:15. > :58:17.From a British champion to an Irish one.

:58:18. > :58:22.it doesn't get much bigger than the WWE.

:58:23. > :58:26.And British and Irish wrestlers are playing an ever growing part.

:58:27. > :58:31.I'm delighted to say that I'm joined by rising star Finn Balor.

:58:32. > :58:39.You have brought your belt, which is great to see. Title! But you have

:58:40. > :58:45.not brought your costume or make-up, I was expecting to see you dressed

:58:46. > :58:50.up, did you not have time? It is a process, and we really save that for

:58:51. > :58:55.the big show, just as myself today. How does the costume come about? Do

:58:56. > :58:58.you do it yourself? Where does the inspiration come from? The

:58:59. > :59:03.inspiration is that everybody has two sites to their personality, and

:59:04. > :59:08.on one hand my personality is very laid-back and introverted, but I

:59:09. > :59:13.believe everyone can be extroverted, and this costume helps me release

:59:14. > :59:18.that demon. Fantastic to see, you seem quite reserved, but the videos

:59:19. > :59:22.I have seen a view on the internet, anything bad, exuberant,

:59:23. > :59:27.extroverted, how does it take you to get into your persona? Before I go

:59:28. > :59:31.live on TV, I might have green juice, how do you do it? It is

:59:32. > :59:35.something that has been developed over the years, a long time to

:59:36. > :59:39.develop the persona, not something that happens on the spur of the

:59:40. > :59:42.moment. But with regards to preparation on the day, it can take

:59:43. > :59:48.five or six hours to really get warmed up and ready to go. And you

:59:49. > :59:52.are only in the ring for a few minutes? Well, it depends on what

:59:53. > :59:56.show, it could be up to 30 minutes. How did you get started in

:59:57. > :00:06.wrestling? Signing with the WWE must be a big thing for you. Obviously,

:00:07. > :00:08.that was a huge deal, but my wrestling journey started in Kent,

:00:09. > :00:11.England, in a small wrestling gym there. I spent six years training in

:00:12. > :00:20.Kent, somehow found my way to Japan, trained in a Japanese dojo,

:00:21. > :00:23.and then the opportunity to sign with the WWE was an opportunity I

:00:24. > :00:28.could not refuse. You have been billed as the next big superstar. I

:00:29. > :00:33.would be under more pressure if I was not being hailed as the next big

:00:34. > :00:36.superstar. I know it is a lot of responsibility to live up to, but I

:00:37. > :00:41.am ready for the challenge. Thank you so much for joining us, you will

:00:42. > :00:53.be performing in the Manchester Arena tonight. Yes, it is sold out,

:00:54. > :00:56.but still some tickets for tomorrow night, we will be there too. Good

:00:57. > :00:59.luck with that, I hope you bring back another title, good to see you

:01:00. > :01:01.when you have made it in a few years.

:01:02. > :01:08.Thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme.

:01:09. > :01:14.if you've just joined us, we're on BBC Two and the BBC News

:01:15. > :01:24.Doping cover-ups, extortion and money laundering,

:01:25. > :01:33.all allegations rocking the world of athletics this morning.

:01:34. > :01:45.Peter said, "Until athletes are banned, it will never stop." Another

:01:46. > :01:47.viewer says, "Athletes should get the medals on a podium at a later

:01:48. > :01:55.date." Your contributions to this

:01:56. > :01:57.programme and your expertise Texts will be charged

:01:58. > :02:00.at the standard network rate. And of course you can watch

:02:01. > :02:02.the programme online wherever you are via the bbc news app or

:02:03. > :02:05.our website bbc.co.uk/victoria And you can also subscribe to all

:02:06. > :02:08.our features on the news app, by going to add topics

:02:09. > :02:10.and searching Victoria Derbyshire. Doping cover-ups,

:02:11. > :02:15.extortion and money laundering, Later today the World Anti-Doping

:02:16. > :02:17.Agency will publish a report into all of this with one of its authors

:02:18. > :02:21.saying it will expose "a whole Allegations already centre

:02:22. > :02:23.on this man Lamine Diack, the former president of world

:02:24. > :02:26.athletics governing body, the IAAF. He's now at the centre of a French

:02:27. > :02:30.investigation over claims he took bribes from the Russian Athletic

:02:31. > :02:32.Federation to cover up positive His son

:02:33. > :02:35.and three others have been charged with various alleged breaches

:02:36. > :02:46.of the IAAF's code of Ethics. Richard Conway is with me. Richard,

:02:47. > :02:49.how much detail are we expecting in the report later? It will be a

:02:50. > :02:53.substantial report. We heard from the head of the World Anti-Doping

:02:54. > :02:58.Agency. He said it would be a robust report. I think many people will

:02:59. > :03:03.want that. These allegations, are as bad as they can get. These are

:03:04. > :03:06.allegations about the guardians of athletics potentially taking money

:03:07. > :03:10.in order to cover-up doping violations in order that athletes

:03:11. > :03:14.could continue to compete. For fans of the sport, for clean athletes,

:03:15. > :03:16.they will want to see a That a thorough investigation has been

:03:17. > :03:20.done, but then, of course, the question comes to what action will

:03:21. > :03:26.be taken? This report and the people behind it, don't have powers to

:03:27. > :03:30.implement sanctions or to take action, but the IAAF does. The

:03:31. > :03:33.attention will shift to them, to Lord Coe to see how they will get a

:03:34. > :03:37.grip on the crisis and how they are going to tackle the allegations that

:03:38. > :03:48.are essentially a cancer at the heart of the sport.

:03:49. > :04:00.Let's get the thoughts of Roger and Chris. He is laughing, but it is not

:04:01. > :04:05.a laughing matter this. We are awaiting to hear this, in a few

:04:06. > :04:09.hours time, there will be a press conference and this announcement,

:04:10. > :04:12.but if the suspicions are true that the governing body of the sport have

:04:13. > :04:16.been covering up drugs tests and taking money to cover up drugs

:04:17. > :04:19.tests, it changes everything because up until now, you have always

:04:20. > :04:21.thought the governing body is there to not just run the sport, but to

:04:22. > :04:27.protect the innocent athlete. accept that athletes will cheat. We

:04:28. > :04:30.accept that. I have always felt that the

:04:31. > :04:32.accept that. I have always felt that also think you are working

:04:33. > :04:34.accept that. I have always felt that framework and a sport that's

:04:35. > :04:38.protecting the innocent athlete. If it finds out that in the corridors

:04:39. > :04:41.of power, they haven't been doing that, they have been protecting

:04:42. > :04:48.guilty athletes, it is a dark day for athletics. Chris, what are your

:04:49. > :04:52.thoughts? Roger nailed it really. The IAAF and its officers there are

:04:53. > :05:00.to police, protect and promote our sport. It is thought it is a certain

:05:01. > :05:06.bad ap unless certain federations and certain individual athletes that

:05:07. > :05:10.are contravening the law, the right that right at the very top, right at

:05:11. > :05:12.core, you have got people who are cheating and enabling people to

:05:13. > :05:14.cheat and it doesn't bear thinking cheating and enabling people to

:05:15. > :05:23.about. You then ask how cheating and enabling people to

:05:24. > :05:28.go? You will say, if a king is corrupt, the nation perishes, does

:05:29. > :05:32.this percolate? Nobody on his or her own can actually lead the

:05:33. > :05:37.corruption. They need to have people in the right places. That's a really

:05:38. > :05:41.scary thought because as I have said, you thought it was a few loose

:05:42. > :05:44.cannons before, but if it is really this deep and this far, we are all

:05:45. > :05:49.in trouble. Roger, what's the way to tackle

:05:50. > :05:55.this? There is one man who has to tackle that and that's the new

:05:56. > :05:59.president, Sebastian Coe, he is coming in to a sport that's at its

:06:00. > :06:04.lowest point. He has got an opportunity to be very firm and to

:06:05. > :06:08.be very strong. There is the case, is the deterrent strong enough to

:06:09. > :06:11.stop people cheating? It is one thing stopping individuals and

:06:12. > :06:14.another thing stopping federations. If there is a federation that

:06:15. > :06:19.appears to have a lot of drug cheating going on, then you should

:06:20. > :06:22.ban that federation or those and the Lieths from the World Athletic

:06:23. > :06:25.Championships, I don't think he will do that, but it will be on the table

:06:26. > :06:29.for discussion. Do you think he should do that? You need to look at

:06:30. > :06:33.changing the culture, that's a pretty big step to take. Why not?

:06:34. > :06:37.You are penalising everybody for a few. We need to see the details as

:06:38. > :06:40.they come out. Then there is the whole point, a the moment, it is a

:06:41. > :06:46.four year drugs ban and you can come back and have another chance. Seb

:06:47. > :06:49.Coe said he is for life bans, but he can't see it through because the

:06:50. > :06:56.legal profession will challenge that and the sport will lose. You will

:06:57. > :06:59.see Coe taking strong action. He has been vice president of the

:07:00. > :07:04.federation for the last few years and a lot of people are questioning

:07:05. > :07:08.him. That's understandable, but unfair, because he claims he knew

:07:09. > :07:11.nothing about this. I believe him. This has taken him by surprise.

:07:12. > :07:17.Where there allegations swirling around? No, there was allegations

:07:18. > :07:23.and suspicions about drug taking by athletes and maybe federations he is

:07:24. > :07:27.saying and I believe him that no one thought there was corruption going

:07:28. > :07:32.on within the corridors of power and the sport. Chris, what measures do

:07:33. > :07:41.you think would change things going forward? I think, cometh the name,

:07:42. > :07:45.cometh the hour, Lord Coe needs to lead by example. One of the

:07:46. > :07:51.challenges that we have is that sport at this top level is big

:07:52. > :07:57.business. Lots of money. I do think it will be tough, but I think Lord

:07:58. > :08:03.Coe would need to will being at some of the ambassadory position that is

:08:04. > :08:09.he has got with big businesses that are linked to the sport. And you

:08:10. > :08:18.know, and re-think whether it looks good being there to police and

:08:19. > :08:22.protect while, it is a tough one, while being linked to promoting

:08:23. > :08:27.themselves? You can really see how there is this, it is not virtuous,

:08:28. > :08:32.but there is this unhealthy thing where you have got sponsors and

:08:33. > :08:36.athletes and federations federations all trying to promote themselves and

:08:37. > :08:41.get ahead of the sport. Lord Coe needs to be seen to cut himself away

:08:42. > :08:47.from that and really have this, you know, I'm at the top of the sport,

:08:48. > :08:52.I'm going to sort it out. I think he is the right person. I think he is

:08:53. > :08:57.charismatic, but also he has been in politics long enough to know the

:08:58. > :09:01.game. I do think it is sad news if this has been going on and Lord Coe

:09:02. > :09:05.has been the vice president and he had no inkling. That will be a

:09:06. > :09:09.little bit alarming too because you would think that, you know, you

:09:10. > :09:13.would think that if you are that close to the corridors of power, you

:09:14. > :09:19.have an inkling, it doesn't mean you would think it is right or you can't

:09:20. > :09:25.say something unless you have got some proof. If you would think if he

:09:26. > :09:30.was that close he would have an inkling, otherwise, what's going on

:09:31. > :09:33.up there? He is clear. He said he hadn't heard anything until the

:09:34. > :09:38.start of the week and he certainly believes everyone else in the sport

:09:39. > :09:42.is in the same boaten that. He will speak on behalf of a lot of people

:09:43. > :09:45.involved in athletics who have the deep frustration that one of the

:09:46. > :09:48.thereins is all happening is that athletics more than any other sport

:09:49. > :09:52.has invested time and money and effort to drug test as many people.

:09:53. > :09:56.In our way, we were tested, but not like they are now. A lot of sports

:09:57. > :09:59.don't bother because of course, the more athletes the you test, the

:10:00. > :10:06.greater chance of catching the odd one. If you catch one, it is front

:10:07. > :10:12.page news. We have had Mo Farah and Paula Radcliffe dragged into the

:10:13. > :10:20.situation. Is he off? We will carry on without you!

:10:21. > :10:24.Thank you, Chris. Thank you. He a prior engagement.

:10:25. > :10:27.That's what is happening. The sport has invested so much time and money

:10:28. > :10:31.and effort into trying to clean itself up and of course, by doing

:10:32. > :10:35.that, you discover things that are happening and I think that was OK

:10:36. > :10:39.when it was catching athletes cheating, but why this is such a big

:10:40. > :10:43.deal, I don't think anyone really thought that some of those athletes

:10:44. > :10:46.have been helped by the people who run the sport and I think it's,

:10:47. > :10:51.there will be a lot of questions that Seb Coe will ask a lot of

:10:52. > :10:55.people, but he will ask himself now, but as Chris said, maybe we are

:10:56. > :10:58.biassed, but we think he is the right man at the right time and he

:10:59. > :11:03.is someone who won't be scared to make big decisions now and I think

:11:04. > :11:06.we will see him putting through big policies because you have to get the

:11:07. > :11:09.trust of the public for a sport to be accepted again and I think this

:11:10. > :11:12.is an all-time low for athletics. Thanks, Roger. Let us know what you

:11:13. > :11:17.think about that. Hundreds more British tourists are

:11:18. > :11:19.expected to be flown home from Sharm el-Sheikh today, following the

:11:20. > :11:22.Russian plane crash nine days ago. Thomson Airways has confirmed

:11:23. > :11:25.in the past hour it will have four flights departing from the Egyptian

:11:26. > :11:33.resort today. The Foreign Secretary warned that

:11:34. > :11:34.airport security around the world may have to be overhauled as a

:11:35. > :11:38.result. Someone put something in their

:11:39. > :11:41.suitcase to see if they'd actually Yes, there where two or three

:11:42. > :11:45.people on board, apparently no The lady that was sat next to us

:11:46. > :11:50.said well, I've got two lighters and they didn't check that and they

:11:51. > :11:53.didn't go through any of this. So they've stepped up security

:11:54. > :11:56.for 50% but not the other one, so what's the point in doing it

:11:57. > :11:59.for anyone if you're not going to do To get onto our plane,

:12:00. > :12:03.there were two queues. One side was doing bag checks,

:12:04. > :12:06.the other side didn't check Didn't feel particularly safe,

:12:07. > :12:12.did you? We went through security with the

:12:13. > :12:17.bags, obviously lost our luggage, Got through and then we saw one

:12:18. > :12:23.of the cleaners just walk straight through with two massive bottles

:12:24. > :12:26.of water. Completely unchallenged and

:12:27. > :12:29.after that point we were both Lets get the latest with

:12:30. > :12:46.our correspondent Sally Nabil How long are the delays that

:12:47. > :12:52.holiday-makers are facing? It might take a few more day to say

:12:53. > :12:54.repatriate all the British holiday-makers back home. The

:12:55. > :13:00.numbers of flight have been few compared to the number of

:13:01. > :13:05.passengers. The Sharm el-Sheikh Airport is a small one. It can't

:13:06. > :13:08.take all the flights at one go. The hold luggage will be kept at the

:13:09. > :13:12.airport until arrangements are made to deliver them back to the UK. The

:13:13. > :13:16.fact that the repatriation process is going slower than expected has

:13:17. > :13:20.frustrated some of the passengers. We have spoken to people. They told

:13:21. > :13:24.me their plans have been disrupted and others are running out of money

:13:25. > :13:29.and they were hoping to get back home as soon as possible, but

:13:30. > :13:31.according to the airport authorities, arrangements and

:13:32. > :13:34.co-ordination is going on between the Egyptian side and the British

:13:35. > :13:37.one so they can bring all the tourists back home as soon as

:13:38. > :13:40.possible. On the other hand, the fact that many of the British

:13:41. > :13:44.tourists are leaving in addition to the Russians, of course, is a major

:13:45. > :13:49.blow to the tourism industry in Egypt. The Government started a

:13:50. > :13:52.promotional campaign on the local media and on social media addressing

:13:53. > :13:57.Egyptians who are living abroad to come and spend their holidays here

:13:58. > :14:01.in Egypt because the country is in bad need of foreign currency and it

:14:02. > :14:06.mainly depends on tourism for that. What is being done in terms of

:14:07. > :14:10.making sure that security is improved for the Sharm el-Sheikh

:14:11. > :14:15.long-term at? Tighter security measures have been put in place

:14:16. > :14:19.actually since British aviation experts arrived at the airport three

:14:20. > :14:23.or four days ago. We could see long queues of people waiting to check-in

:14:24. > :14:28.because the security checks are taking much longer than before.

:14:29. > :14:31.Tourists are being personally searched. The baggage are being

:14:32. > :14:35.scanned. I have spoken to the tourists and they told me when they

:14:36. > :14:38.first arrived two or three weeks ago, the picture was totally

:14:39. > :14:42.different. They described the security measures at that time as

:14:43. > :14:46.being messy and chaotic and now, despite the fact that they are

:14:47. > :14:49.taking a longer time to check-in, some of them told me this makes them

:14:50. > :14:56.feel safer. Thanks for joining us today,

:14:57. > :14:58.still to come before 11am: Former girl-gang members tell us why

:14:59. > :15:01.more young women seem to be getting involved in violent crime. And David

:15:02. > :15:07.Cameron tells business leaders he And David Cameron tells business

:15:08. > :15:25.leaders he will fight for a better The Chancellor has agreed cuts.

:15:26. > :15:30.Transport, Local Government, environment and the Treasury have

:15:31. > :15:34.told the Chancellor they will reduce their budgets by 8% a year.

:15:35. > :15:39.An independent report into alleged corruption in athletics is due to be

:15:40. > :15:42.released later today. The World Anti-Doping Agency set-up an inquiry

:15:43. > :15:45.after it was alleged that Russian officials accepted bribes to

:15:46. > :15:48.cover-up their athletes positive drug tests. The new head of world

:15:49. > :15:55.athletics Lord Coe, acknowledged that there will be a long road to

:15:56. > :15:59.redemption for the sport. I am more determined than ever to rebuild the

:16:00. > :16:04.trust in our sport. It is not going to be a short journey.

:16:05. > :16:08.The Prime Minister, David Cameron, has been speaking to a conference of

:16:09. > :16:13.UK business leaders, urging them to consider whether Britain would be

:16:14. > :16:17.more successful inside or outside the EU. In a letter to the European

:16:18. > :16:22.Council president Judy be published tomorrow, he will outline his

:16:23. > :16:27.demands for changes to the EU. -- due to be. I am not satisfied with

:16:28. > :16:32.the status quo, and the things I want fixed, whether making sure we

:16:33. > :16:36.are more competitive, out of a closer union, making sure there is

:16:37. > :16:41.proper fairness for people out of the eurozone, as John Cridland said

:16:42. > :16:43.a moment ago, or reducing the pressures we face through

:16:44. > :16:48.immigration, these are big and important changes, and I think it is

:16:49. > :16:53.vital we achieve them. Nine prisons are to be built under new government

:16:54. > :16:57.plans to close Victorian jails and sell them for housing. 10,000

:16:58. > :17:02.prisoners will be transferred to the new institutions, 3000 new homes

:17:03. > :17:04.will be built on old urban sites. Ministers say the plans will save

:17:05. > :17:08.?80 million a year. The Ministers say the plans will save

:17:09. > :17:13.opposition party in Myanmar, thereby and a sushi, says it is on course to

:17:14. > :17:21.win 70% of Parliamentary seat in the elections. -- led by Aung San Suu

:17:22. > :17:25.Kyi. Under the constitution, the military is guaranteed a quarter of

:17:26. > :17:29.all Parliamentary seats. Some incredible pictures from

:17:30. > :17:33.Mississippi, a whole that opened up in a car park outside a restaurant.

:17:34. > :17:36.Diners were eating their meals in a car park outside a restaurant.

:17:37. > :17:38.they heard a loud crash, they rushed in a car park outside a restaurant.

:17:39. > :17:43.out to find their cars swallowed up by that enormous hole. Luckily

:17:44. > :17:46.no-one was injured. Let's catch up with all

:17:47. > :17:48.the sport now and join Jess. The Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp

:17:49. > :17:51.said he felt all alone as his side lost at home to

:17:52. > :17:53.Crystal Palace yesterday. It was Liverpool's first defeat

:17:54. > :17:56.under their new German manager. Sections of the Anfield support

:17:57. > :17:58.left after Scott Dan's late goal

:17:59. > :18:02.put Palace 2-1 up. in the final of the Paris Masters

:18:03. > :18:06.yesterday by Novak Djokovic. He lost in straight sets to the

:18:07. > :18:08.world number one but immediately set his sights

:18:09. > :18:11.on this month's Davis Cup final. He'll begin practising on clay

:18:12. > :18:14.today for the match against Belgium That's Danny Kent who yesterday

:18:15. > :18:21.became Britain's first Grand Prix motorcycling world champion

:18:22. > :18:22.for 38 years. He won the Moto3 title in Valencia

:18:23. > :18:24.yesterday. The last British world champion

:18:25. > :18:42.was Barry Sheene in 1977 And we await what could be the worst

:18:43. > :18:47.crisis ever to hit athletics, a report into corruption and doping in

:18:48. > :18:51.the sport will be published at two o'clock by Wada. Further details of

:18:52. > :18:52.that across the BBC News Channel as we have them. That is all the sport

:18:53. > :18:55.for now. The Prime Minister has told business

:18:56. > :18:58.leaders that the big argument with Europe isn't whether Britain

:18:59. > :19:00.can survive outside Europe The Prime Minister was heckled

:19:01. > :19:15.by a member of the audience Norman Smith is at the CBI

:19:16. > :19:20.conference for ask, did he come up with much detail, Norman? Well,

:19:21. > :19:24.Joanna, welcome to the press room in the bowels of this hotel where the

:19:25. > :19:28.CBI conferences taking place. I thought it was quite a significant

:19:29. > :19:32.speech, because the language we heard from Mr Cameron, saying he was

:19:33. > :19:38.deadly serious about maybe leaving the EU, I am not bluffing, do not

:19:39. > :19:42.doubt my resolve, I think DC was this - most people in politics

:19:43. > :19:47.think, at the end of day, Mr Cameron will probably say, OK, I have done

:19:48. > :19:52.the best deal I can, we ought to stay in the EU. In other words, they

:19:53. > :19:56.are not entirely sure he is really serious about pulling out of Europe.

:19:57. > :20:00.Today he wanted to knock that on the head, because if you have got that

:20:01. > :20:04.kind of approach, basically, it is difficult to get anything out of EU

:20:05. > :20:10.countries, because difficult to get anything out of EU

:20:11. > :20:15.do not have to give him that much. I think he wants to send a message

:20:16. > :20:19.saying, do not doubt my determination, if you do not give me

:20:20. > :20:23.what I want, yes, I will pull out. There was no compromise on the sort

:20:24. > :20:28.of demand he was seeking, saying, for example, that they would require

:20:29. > :20:33.some sort of treaty change, changes would have to be irreversible,

:20:34. > :20:38.legally binding. Again, he said he wanted to get that four-year ban on

:20:39. > :20:42.EU migrants being able to claim benefits in the UK, and you just got

:20:43. > :20:46.the sense that he was today toughening up his line, and the sort

:20:47. > :20:52.of posture he strikes ahead of that letter he's going to send out to the

:20:53. > :20:57.EU presidents tomorrow, Donald Tusk. Interesting too, there was a protest

:20:58. > :21:03.in the middle of the speech, actually, by a couple of people, a

:21:04. > :21:09.mini protest, a couple of people, I think we can see them here, saying

:21:10. > :21:15.CBI is the voice of Brussels. Now, apparently, that was from some group

:21:16. > :21:20.called Students For Britain, I have not heard of them, but obviously

:21:21. > :21:24.they want us to leave the EU. I guess that is because there is a

:21:25. > :21:30.perception that the CBI, by and large, is in the pro EU camp. A lot

:21:31. > :21:33.of unhappiness about it among the boat stopped leave groups, saying

:21:34. > :21:42.that CBI is representing business opinion. -- the vote to leave

:21:43. > :21:47.groups. Mr Cameron is trying to fire a warning shot across the boughs of

:21:48. > :21:52.leaders who think he is not serious that Britain could leave the EU.

:21:53. > :21:54.For many, it's seen as the gateway to Europe.

:21:55. > :21:57.Every day the Greek island of Lesbos is seeing thousands of migrants

:21:58. > :22:01.and refugees land on its shores as they try to seek a better life.

:22:02. > :22:03.A major international conference is being held in Malta this week

:22:04. > :22:05.to discuss ways of dealing with the problem.

:22:06. > :22:07.Volunteers from around the world have now stepped in

:22:08. > :22:10.to provide much of the basic help the refugees and migrants need.

:22:11. > :22:12.The BBC spent the day filming a volunteer working

:22:13. > :22:34.for a dutch medical charity, the Boat Refugee Foundation.

:22:35. > :22:41.So we are coming close to one of our landmarks, which is a burned-out

:22:42. > :22:45.car. It is a car that burned-out a couple of weeks ago, that is how we

:22:46. > :22:51.operate. When we go on the dirt road, we will contact each other and

:22:52. > :23:00.referred to these landmarks, like the burned-out car, where boats are

:23:01. > :23:09.arriving at those spots. A boat right there.

:23:10. > :23:29.Come on, very good, very good. All right, watch out! I am just checking

:23:30. > :23:33.if, especially the case, if everyone is all right, there are no kids

:23:34. > :23:35.trampled or anything, just to have a first look to see if

:23:36. > :23:45.trampled or anything, just to have a right on the boat. You can

:23:46. > :23:52.translate. OK, you are doing good, you are doing great. This man had an

:23:53. > :23:55.impairment with his legs. That is something pre-existing, I just

:23:56. > :24:03.wanted to know if, other than that, he is OK. Can I do the bandage? I

:24:04. > :24:12.want to take and off and do it again. Can you turn a little bit?

:24:13. > :24:19.The child had been in the water for more than an hour, so we started CPR

:24:20. > :24:23.right away, unfortunately we lost the child on the docks, in the

:24:24. > :24:28.harbour. The second child we were able to get somewhat of a pulse, so

:24:29. > :24:33.that child was being transported in the ambulance but unfortunately

:24:34. > :24:39.died. That must devious guard. Well, yeah, they small children, yes, four

:24:40. > :24:46.or five years old. -- that must leave you scarred. We are heading

:24:47. > :24:51.back to base camp to Eftalou, to the medical post. We are going to see

:24:52. > :24:59.what is going on there, see if there is people that need our help that

:25:00. > :25:02.cannot be covered... A lot of people are now being transported back to

:25:03. > :25:11.the base camp, and we have a medical team which is trying to figure out

:25:12. > :25:16.if we can help them in anyway. This was a woman from Iran who just came

:25:17. > :25:20.off the boat, apparently she was on the bus somewhere with some Afghan

:25:21. > :25:27.men who wanted to throw her off, that is what she told us. There was

:25:28. > :25:31.some distress, which resulted in palpitations and hyperventilation,

:25:32. > :25:35.dizziness. Her blood sugar was somewhat low, so we provided some

:25:36. > :25:43.extra sugar to try and increase that. But these, obviously, are the

:25:44. > :25:46.cases that we get, because of all the trauma that they have gone

:25:47. > :25:56.through with their travels. She has been travelling for two months now.

:25:57. > :26:02.So we need a lot more volunteers, a lot more physicians to cope,

:26:03. > :26:06.nurses, just to cope with the amount of refugees coming here during the

:26:07. > :26:10.winter months, because that is what the estimation is. With the weather

:26:11. > :26:16.changing, it is very important that we are Paul Davies ulcers of people

:26:17. > :26:20.ready to go with that. -- that we have all the resources

:26:21. > :26:23.and people to go with that. From women who beat their

:26:24. > :26:25.boyfriends, to drunken brawlers, to girl gangs, a rising number

:26:26. > :26:28.of women are involved in violence. Last month video posted online

:26:29. > :26:30.showed girls fighting at a brawl in East London with more than 200

:26:31. > :26:33.teenagers gathered to watch. In Belfast, a fight between two

:26:34. > :26:36.girls was organised on social media and became a spectator event

:26:37. > :26:38.for the city's teenagers. It contradicts the portrayal

:26:39. > :26:40.of girls involved in gang life who, over the years, have often been

:26:41. > :26:43.described as victims, forced to hide weapons

:26:44. > :26:44.and carry drugs. With one in five of all violent

:26:45. > :26:47.crimes and a third of domestic violence incidents

:26:48. > :26:49.reported to the England and Wales Crime Survey involving

:26:50. > :26:51.a female perpetrator, are some young women choosing

:26:52. > :26:53.more violent lifestyles? That's the theme of a BBC Three

:26:54. > :26:57.documentary tonight. They spoke

:26:58. > :26:59.to two former girl gangers Then next year,

:27:00. > :27:18.everybody is on knives, and then next year,

:27:19. > :27:20.everybody is on guns and then the next year,

:27:21. > :27:22.little kids have Tasers. They can electrocute you,

:27:23. > :27:27.and you will be knocked out, and then in that little time you're

:27:28. > :27:30.sleeping you could be slapped. You could be taken away.

:27:31. > :27:32.You don't know. Of course, you're going to

:27:33. > :27:36.have to carry a weapon, like. What everyone needs to understand

:27:37. > :27:39.as well is that everyone has soldiers behind them,

:27:40. > :27:41.so don't ever think when they're having an argument with one person

:27:42. > :27:44.that it's only that one person. You're having an arguement

:27:45. > :27:46.with the whole crew. They describe one fight

:27:47. > :27:51.between rival gangs where people were left

:27:52. > :27:55.with life-changing injuries. Someone getting hammered

:27:56. > :27:57.in the head. I think that was

:27:58. > :27:59.the most serious one. Her head was just moving a lot,

:28:00. > :28:02.and from nowhere, she got hit with the hammer, so I'm

:28:03. > :28:05.assuming she was giving it the mouth and the attitude that didn't need

:28:06. > :28:10.to be brought to the scene, and then she just got hammered.

:28:11. > :28:13.Did they deserve a hammering? They didn't deserve a hammer,

:28:14. > :28:18.but they had weapons. So the way I look at it,

:28:19. > :28:22.if we didn't go with no weapons obviously, we went with a bit of

:28:23. > :28:25.weapons, but right if we didn't go with no weapons or take weapons from

:28:26. > :28:28.them, we would have been the victims No, do you know

:28:29. > :28:35.why I don't think of them? Because obviously I apologise

:28:36. > :28:38.for what happened to them, but why I don't think of them is because

:28:39. > :28:42.I had to go to jail for them... No, you had to go to jail

:28:43. > :28:45.because of what you did. Of what I did, fair enough,

:28:46. > :28:52.but like I don't know yeah, I don't want to sound rude like,

:28:53. > :28:55.but that's this is... why I'm patching my words

:28:56. > :29:00.because they started it. They got hurt and we went to jail.

:29:01. > :29:04.But why did you start it? This is what I mean?

:29:05. > :29:06.It makes us look bad again. who used to be the leader

:29:07. > :29:11.of a girl gang in London. Cherie Johnson turned her back

:29:12. > :29:13.on crime and now runs Shared Intense Support, which helps

:29:14. > :29:20.young women escape gangs. And Nadine Woodley also works

:29:21. > :29:34.with young women Tracey, you described yourself as

:29:35. > :29:39.the baddest girl in Brixton. OK, people took it the wrong way, I

:29:40. > :29:43.didn't mean like I was the most naughty, most of violent person and

:29:44. > :29:48.no-one could mess with me. I used to do a lot of crimes that boys did,

:29:49. > :29:48.no-one could mess with me. I used to and girls were not doing that at the

:29:49. > :29:54.time. Why did you get into and girls were not doing that at the

:29:55. > :29:57.had a really bad childhood, I believe that children are

:29:58. > :30:01.by-products of their environment, and mine was out of sync, my mother

:30:02. > :30:05.was a manic depressive, my father was convicted on a life term for

:30:06. > :30:12.rape, all sorts went on in was convicted on a life term for

:30:13. > :30:16.house. So you had no guidance. Well, even though Mum wasn't well, not

:30:17. > :30:20.mentally well, she tried to keep me in hand. She didn't leave me to just

:30:21. > :30:26.do what I want, I used to get the odd slap and whatnot, she did try.

:30:27. > :30:29.So did you effectively choose this lifestyle? It is still

:30:30. > :30:32.So did you effectively choose this that shocks, in spite of the

:30:33. > :30:42.statistics we were talking about, women and

:30:43. > :30:44.statistics we were talking about, a shock element when women do it,

:30:45. > :30:45.the question of whether they are actively choosing a violent

:30:46. > :30:45.lifestyle. actively choosing a violent

:30:46. > :30:51.you, I did actively choosing a violent

:30:52. > :30:53.from what was happening at home. Me committing crime

:30:54. > :30:56.from what was happening at home. Me that I thrived on, and it may be

:30:57. > :30:58.made me forget that I thrived on, and it may be

:30:59. > :31:01.was 15, I was young, but I loved I had a warped mentality. Where

:31:02. > :31:20.frightened of you? How I had a warped mentality. Where

:31:21. > :31:28.would you have drawn the line in terms of what you would have done? I

:31:29. > :31:33.haven't killed anyone. I am not a murderer, I don't have anyone's

:31:34. > :31:37.blood on my hands, but my mind was warped. What sort of things did

:31:38. > :31:47.blood on my hands, but my mind was do? The stabbed my sister. How old

:31:48. > :31:51.were you? How old was she? She is nine years younger than me. When

:31:52. > :31:52.people ask me in interviews because I have done interviews before,

:31:53. > :32:00.people ask me in interviews because remorseful? I'm like if only you

:32:01. > :32:03.knew. The people closest to me are the people I harmed. I have to live

:32:04. > :32:15.with that every day. It is hard. the people I harmed. I have to live

:32:16. > :32:20.I was a good manipulator. I was fully aware of what I was getting

:32:21. > :32:24.myself involved in and I thrived off the power that came with it. When

:32:25. > :32:30.you say you were a good manipulator, tell us what you mean? I could

:32:31. > :32:34.easily install fear into people, I could coerce people into doing

:32:35. > :32:37.things I wanted them to do. I was good at delegating and generally

:32:38. > :32:45.organising stuff that had to be organised. You sound like a criminal

:32:46. > :32:50.mastermind? Is that how you saw it? Not really. I was just adapt to go

:32:51. > :32:56.my environment. So I have always been raised around a lot of male

:32:57. > :32:59.family members or friends and I noticed they had that trait. They

:33:00. > :33:02.were always good at delegating and leading and manipulating so I

:33:03. > :33:06.learned that quite early and use that had to um power myself as

:33:07. > :33:12.opposed to at the time becoming a victim. So what sort of things did

:33:13. > :33:18.you do? Or did you tell others to do?

:33:19. > :33:22.Some of the things you don't want it speak about because it is so

:33:23. > :33:28.embarrassing. I am a mum now. Some of the things I wish I hadn't done,

:33:29. > :33:34.but it could be stuff as organising big drug deals, making sure cash was

:33:35. > :33:37.delivered. Mabelinging sure that those in the hierarchy weren't in

:33:38. > :33:43.the limelight, having peoplen a lower standard doing the work and

:33:44. > :33:47.making sure that my team and those high up are safe and not in the

:33:48. > :33:51.limelight. When you say it is embarrassing? Well, it is

:33:52. > :33:54.embarrassing when you look back at your behaviour as a teenager and now

:33:55. > :33:57.you have got more understanding, you have gone into the world and you

:33:58. > :34:01.have seen things and you might have children, you might be exposed to

:34:02. > :34:04.education, etcetera, it gives you a different perception on what's right

:34:05. > :34:10.and what's wrong. As well as knowing what's right and what's wrong

:34:11. > :34:13.because your parents install that in you in from I don't think, it is

:34:14. > :34:17.just embarrassing talking about the things you did when you are young

:34:18. > :34:23.because you don't want to be paint with that brush anymore. None of

:34:24. > :34:27.those skills will help me to empower myself now. It is embarrassing. When

:34:28. > :34:31.did your perception of what you were doing change? You always know. No

:34:32. > :34:36.matter what background you're from, your parents always teach you right

:34:37. > :34:40.from wrong irrespective of what they are going through. You are always

:34:41. > :34:44.aware, but for me, the big wake-up call was when I was 18, when I was

:34:45. > :34:48.in a relationship and my daughter had come along, for me, that was

:34:49. > :34:54.just the breaking point. It was no more. It was non negotiatable

:34:55. > :34:59.irrespective of what I would lose, it was non negotiatable. How long

:35:00. > :35:04.had you been doing the sort of things you were involved in? My

:35:05. > :35:09.family were billion known. It has always been there. It is not a

:35:10. > :35:13.matter of making the switch, it is just identifying the correct path at

:35:14. > :35:21.the right timement you come to a point in your life and it is like,

:35:22. > :35:26."Do I carry on this way or carry on as a normal civilian?" That hit me

:35:27. > :35:30.at 18 and it was time to change. What's your perception of women

:35:31. > :35:35.choosing a violent lifestyle, is it a choice? Well, part of it is a

:35:36. > :35:39.choice in the sense of like these two ladies said, you know, I know

:35:40. > :35:42.what it is that I'm doing when I go out there or when I'm hitting

:35:43. > :35:46.another person. However, I just think that a lot of young people are

:35:47. > :35:49.exposed to a lot of different things out there these days and what we

:35:50. > :35:56.have to remember, what these two ladies said they were young at the

:35:57. > :35:59.time and what you are influenced around at that age, your brain has

:36:00. > :36:03.not matured to a point for you to be making the right decisions. In the

:36:04. > :36:06.line of work we do, we have to have supervision where you understand the

:36:07. > :36:09.work you're actually doing and scientifically our brain is not

:36:10. > :36:14.fully developed until we are about 25 to make the right decisions.

:36:15. > :36:16.While we are expecting 15-year-olds, 14-year-olds to know what they are

:36:17. > :36:20.doing when they are seeing violence on the TV every single day, they are

:36:21. > :36:25.seeing it on their estates, you know, when I was younger, hearing of

:36:26. > :36:32.people dying was more elderly people. You knew someone's grandma

:36:33. > :36:35.died. Now, I work with young people and they tell me their friend has

:36:36. > :36:40.been stabbed and they are coming to school and having to suppress the

:36:41. > :36:44.feelings. Underneath any form of anger is hurt, whether it is a male

:36:45. > :36:47.or a female and it is about understanding what the core issues

:36:48. > :36:51.underneath that are affecting young people. The clip we saw, the young

:36:52. > :36:54.girls, they are living in fear. That's why they went to that

:36:55. > :36:57.situation with weapons because they are living in fear. We have got

:36:58. > :37:00.young people that have never moved outside the area or crossed the

:37:01. > :37:03.street because in their mind, something is going to happen to

:37:04. > :37:07.them. So therefore, what they are trying to do is take the situations

:37:08. > :37:13.in their own hands before they then get attacked. Now, with young

:37:14. > :37:19.female, I'd say, women are like onions, there is lots of layers to

:37:20. > :37:23.us and basically, we are emotional creatures anyway. We have our

:37:24. > :37:27.growing pains. We have our monthly cycle and on top of that, you have

:37:28. > :37:30.got how you're trying to fit in the world, you have got social media and

:37:31. > :37:35.all the other stuff on top and as women, you know, we're fighting to

:37:36. > :37:42.get paid the same, we're fighting to get noticed the same or in terms of

:37:43. > :37:45.image. When you look at young people, that's a lot of stuff on

:37:46. > :37:49.their brain that they're having to deal with at a young age and they

:37:50. > :37:52.are having to grow up a lot quicker and that's causing them to agent

:37:53. > :37:56.outment I didn't go out on to the streets and get involved in crime,

:37:57. > :38:01.but I was an extremely angry teenager and if someone said

:38:02. > :38:08.something to me it wouldn't take me two minute to say punch them in the

:38:09. > :38:13.face. They don't punch. If someone steps into your personal space and

:38:14. > :38:18.as the youngsters call it, they feel violated, if someone puts their hand

:38:19. > :38:25.on you your natural reaction to is to hit back. For some, it is a

:38:26. > :38:30.natural reaction. Some people go home and self-harm, some people

:38:31. > :38:35.bully others, some people lash out at their parents. Self-harm is not

:38:36. > :38:41.an option. I did try self-harm one time, no joy. The amount of girls,

:38:42. > :38:47.young people, at this, sorry, in this age, that are self-harming is

:38:48. > :38:51.massive. Whereas once upon a time you had young girls self-harming and

:38:52. > :38:54.you didn't know, you could go to school and their tops would be like

:38:55. > :38:59.this and you could see it. How can they be going to school and people

:39:00. > :39:03.can see they are self-harming? What happened to that energy? I worked

:39:04. > :39:07.with young girls at 11 they said they might have been sexually abused

:39:08. > :39:11.at home and the school is wondering why at 16 they have turned into a

:39:12. > :39:19.monster, but all we are concerned with they are not following Ofsted

:39:20. > :39:23.or behaving right in school. That gets transferred on to the streets,

:39:24. > :39:26.you get an opportunity to lash out. What might have made things

:39:27. > :39:32.different for either of you, do you think? Where do we start? The first

:39:33. > :39:36.one, I guess, so coming from my organisation's prospective is having

:39:37. > :39:40.the resources to reach out to these women because these women are hidden

:39:41. > :39:44.to the untrained eye, but to our eyes, they stand out from a far. We

:39:45. > :39:47.can identify them from afar. First of all, it is having the resources

:39:48. > :39:51.because it is all good us being here, being able to deliver and

:39:52. > :39:55.lead, but without the correct resources, we can't access the women

:39:56. > :39:59.and deliver the support. What sort of things can you do for a young

:40:00. > :40:02.girl who is fooling the emotion that is we are hearing about and growing

:40:03. > :40:05.up in a tough environment and feeling the need to protect

:40:06. > :40:13.themselves and that seems to be the only way? Can you take someone like,

:40:14. > :40:16.short of taking someone out of the environment, what can be done? You

:40:17. > :40:19.have got to change their perception of themselves and the environment

:40:20. > :40:24.that they are in and you have got to empower them and try and give them

:40:25. > :40:28.options to make educated decisions. So if I talk with a young person, I

:40:29. > :40:32.say to them, you know, I'm not going to say, "No, don't do that." I will

:40:33. > :40:39.say, "This is the consequence of that." This is the outcome of that.

:40:40. > :40:43.Do you want this as your outcome? That's what no one is telling them.

:40:44. > :40:51.Young kids are more likely to take on board what you say if you have

:40:52. > :40:55.had that lifestyle. People like us, they take us in. We speak from the

:40:56. > :40:59.heart. They understand. When you are a teenager, your emotions are

:41:00. > :41:04.heightened. Falling out with your best friend is massive. 24 hours not

:41:05. > :41:09.talking to your friend and with girls in groups, if we were in a

:41:10. > :41:13.group and we went to a girl's school and you weren't speaking to me and

:41:14. > :41:17.you made these two not speak to me, that's a long week. That's silently

:41:18. > :41:22.violent because no one is speaking to me for the whole entire week.

:41:23. > :41:25.Next week, I need to get my friends back. So I'm going to aggress you so

:41:26. > :41:35.these come on back. So I'm going to aggress you so

:41:36. > :41:35.mixing with. How difficult is that? I don't think

:41:36. > :41:40.all. Do you have to have a completely new set of people...

:41:41. > :41:46.all. Do you have to have a have got to fight from within.

:41:47. > :41:46.You're born have got to fight from within.

:41:47. > :41:52.reason. Kids do know what they are have got to fight from within.

:41:53. > :41:57.doing. Did you do it yourself or did someone sort of... You do it

:41:58. > :42:06.yourself. For me, it was doing it yourself. Me personally, it is about

:42:07. > :42:09.resocialising. I resocialised my whole entire friends. The thing

:42:10. > :42:09.resocialising. I resocialised my about reformed, it doesn't just

:42:10. > :42:14.happen, and it stops, it is an about reformed, it doesn't just

:42:15. > :42:16.going process, sometimes it might be a life process, there are trigger

:42:17. > :42:19.factors. There might be a life process, there are trigger

:42:20. > :42:22.we are used to that can set things off. It is about changing

:42:23. > :42:25.we are used to that can set things social network and re-positioning

:42:26. > :42:27.yourself with positive people. If we were to meet a few years

:42:28. > :42:30.yourself with positive people. If we would not abpositive relationship.

:42:31. > :42:36.Now, we can align ourselves and deliver something really powerful.

:42:37. > :42:39.We were from two rival boroughs, but we come with a different purpose and

:42:40. > :42:45.because of our strong leadership qualities we can drive force a big

:42:46. > :42:49.message. When you think about girl gangs and things, do they know what

:42:50. > :42:53.they are really fighting about? Do they know what's behind what they

:42:54. > :42:58.are trying to keep up and carry on? Even boys. Do you understand why the

:42:59. > :43:01.whole postcode rivalry came from? Thank you for coming in. Thank you

:43:02. > :43:05.thoughts with us. The Home Office thoughts with us. The Home Office

:43:06. > :43:14.told us that they are taking action thoughts with us. The Home Office

:43:15. > :43:19.a network of over 80 experts with experience of dealing with gangs and

:43:20. > :43:25.drug dealing and they are providing ?1.6 million of funding for 13 young

:43:26. > :43:27.drug dealing and they are providing support to women and girls. You can

:43:28. > :43:35.watch the special documentary looking at the rise of female

:43:36. > :43:36.9pm. Thank you for your company today and

:43:37. > :43:38.for your messages. Tomorrow, we Thank you for your company today and

:43:39. > :43:45.be hearing from the woman who Thank you for your company today and

:43:46. > :43:48.exposed a bogus landlord by inviting him on a date.

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