16/11/2015

:00:07. > :00:08.Hello it's Monday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:09. > :00:23.Shock, anger and fear in France as the country tries to rationalise why

:00:24. > :00:31.it was hit again by terrorist attacks. A manhunt is under way.

:00:32. > :00:41.Police have carried out more than 150 raids on addresses across the

:00:42. > :00:50.country. France has also sent jets to bomb Raqqa in Syria. Plus,

:00:51. > :00:55.massive investment in UK security amid fears the same could happen in

:00:56. > :00:59.Britain. We will do everything we can to make sure we keep our people

:01:00. > :01:07.safe but we live in a very dangerous world.

:01:08. > :01:10.Raids are taking place across France this morning in search of surviving

:01:11. > :01:13.members and accomplices of the group behind the Paris attacks.

:01:14. > :01:18.So far, 129 people are known to have died.

:01:19. > :01:21.Here are pictures of just 9 of them - as well as many Parisians,

:01:22. > :01:25.they included people from Britain, America, Belgium and Mexico -

:01:26. > :01:29.tourists, students, fashion designers, merchandise sellers,

:01:30. > :01:33.lawyers, mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters -

:01:34. > :01:40.all killed in 193 minutes of terror across the French capital.

:01:41. > :01:42.36-year-old Nick Alexander was from Essex - he was selling merchandise

:01:43. > :01:47.His family say he was "everyone's best friend" and died

:01:48. > :01:58.His girlfriend Polina Buckley spoke to reporters.

:01:59. > :02:07.How would you like people to remember him? He was the greatest

:02:08. > :02:26.person in the world. In the past couple of minutes, two

:02:27. > :02:38.more of the suicide bombers have been identified. Passport showed one

:02:39. > :02:41.of them was 25 years of age. One of the attackers at the Bataclan was

:02:42. > :02:48.28. An eighth man is on the run. The French Prime Minister Manuel

:02:49. > :02:51.Valls has revealed they believe new terror attacks are being planned

:02:52. > :02:53.in France and in other European countries following the carnage

:02:54. > :02:55.in Paris. In an interview this morning he

:02:56. > :02:58.also said the French intelligence services had prevented several

:02:59. > :03:08.attacks since the summer. He said the attacks were planned and

:03:09. > :03:14.organised from Syria. We know that operations were being prepared, not

:03:15. > :03:22.only against France but other European countries as well. Islamic

:03:23. > :03:25.State issued a statement, stating clearly these countries were

:03:26. > :03:27.possible targets. It's emerged that a suspect -

:03:28. > :03:30.who's on the run - was spoken to by French police hours after

:03:31. > :03:32.the killings, and then released. Salah Abdeslam, who's 26, is thought

:03:33. > :03:36.to have rented a car in Belgium that was found near the Bataclan theatre,

:03:37. > :03:38.where 89 people were murdered. Raids have been carried out

:03:39. > :03:41.in various locations across France, Our reporter Jim Reed has

:03:42. > :04:05.the latest. We were quite close to the stage,

:04:06. > :04:16.just dancing. People were screaming, shouting and screaming. Firing

:04:17. > :04:22.indiscriminately into the crowd. It lasted an eternity, it was probably

:04:23. > :04:25.an hour. As Paris comes to terms with the worst terror attack since

:04:26. > :04:33.the Second World War, the investigation is moving quickly.

:04:34. > :04:37.Reports that at least one of the suicide bombers had a ticket to the

:04:38. > :04:49.game and tried to get inside before being challenged by security.

:04:50. > :04:56.It was here that police found the Syrian passport near the body of one

:04:57. > :05:01.of the attackers. Officials have said it was used to travel the

:05:02. > :05:05.migrant route but no direct link has been made with the attack and at

:05:06. > :05:11.this stage there is the possibility it was planted, forged or stolen.

:05:12. > :05:15.Around the time of the stadium attack, gunman struck at six

:05:16. > :05:23.different locations in the east of Paris. Most of them were cafes and

:05:24. > :05:26.restaurants. I thought it was a firecracker then it got louder.

:05:27. > :05:33.There was a pile of bodies on the left-hand side, about four that had

:05:34. > :05:40.been sitting at the tables on the right-hand side. On Sunday the focus

:05:41. > :05:45.was on this car, suspected to have been used as a getaway vehicle.

:05:46. > :05:50.French media said police found abandoned in the outskirts of the

:05:51. > :05:54.city with three rounds of ammunition and assault rifles. It was in the

:05:55. > :05:58.Bataclan concert venue that there was the greatest loss of life. ATI

:05:59. > :06:03.confirmed dead with dozens more in a serious condition. New footage

:06:04. > :06:16.emerged of the moment shooting broke out. A second car has been traced to

:06:17. > :06:22.this man, one of three brothers suspected of being involved in the

:06:23. > :06:26.attacks. A manhunt is under way for the 26-year-old, reportedly stopped

:06:27. > :06:33.by police shortly after the attacks driving in another car North to the

:06:34. > :06:36.Belgian border, but he was let go. The international connection now

:06:37. > :06:45.appears to be key. Police made a series of arrests in Brussels,

:06:46. > :06:53.detaining several men including the older brother of Salah Abdeslam. The

:06:54. > :06:59.names of the other attackers are starting to be released. This

:07:00. > :07:11.brother from the same family blew themselves up outside this bar.

:07:12. > :07:16.In Paris last night it was about the victims far more than the

:07:17. > :07:23.perpetrators. Funerals will take place in the coming days. 129 are

:07:24. > :07:29.now confirmed the dead from at least 13 different countries. More than

:07:30. > :07:30.300 have been injured, many very seriously.

:07:31. > :07:43.The Paris prosecutor is seeing one of the suicide bombers was a French

:07:44. > :07:46.national, born in a presumed suburb, and was known to French

:07:47. > :07:53.anti-terrorist police and had been known since 2012, and had been the

:07:54. > :07:55.subject of an international arrest warrant since 2013. A little bit

:07:56. > :08:07.more about another of the suicide bombers... It is the same one,

:08:08. > :08:08.actually. Placed under formal investigation for terrorist

:08:09. > :08:10.conspiracy. France has responded to the attacks

:08:11. > :08:13.in Paris on Friday by launching its biggest bombing raid yet against the

:08:14. > :08:35.self-styled Islamic State group. A wave of French jets struck

:08:36. > :08:38.a number of targets in the Syrian city of Raqqa, which is controlled

:08:39. > :08:44.by the militants. The French govt says they have the

:08:45. > :08:47.right to self defend themselves, after the Islamic State group said

:08:48. > :09:00.it carried out the Paris attacks. Jeremy Corbyn has suggested those

:09:01. > :09:04.extra strikes from France will probably not make any difference. He

:09:05. > :09:07.said the answer has to be a political settlement in Syria though

:09:08. > :09:08.he acknowledged this would be very difficult to achieve.

:09:09. > :09:10.Here, the government has announced extra funding for security

:09:11. > :09:14.and intelligence staff at MI5, MI6, and GCHQ - which will allow them to

:09:15. > :09:22.It's the biggest increase in security spending since the July

:09:23. > :09:32.David Cameron says "protecting the British people is my

:09:33. > :09:35.number one duty as prime minister " and that the new recruits will

:09:36. > :09:37.help in a "generational struggle" against extremism.

:09:38. > :09:39.In an interview on Radio 4 this morning he also said

:09:40. > :09:42.the government has been aware of groups of militants in Syria

:09:43. > :09:48.potentially sending people back to carry out attacks in Britain.

:09:49. > :09:53.It is very important that we carry on with our lives. What these

:09:54. > :10:00.terrorists want to do is change our way of life and destroy our way of

:10:01. > :10:03.life and we should be vigilant. In a free society you never have 100%

:10:04. > :10:08.security but you also have the people and the police working

:10:09. > :10:11.together to keep us safe. Remember that but remember that our freedom

:10:12. > :10:17.depends on showing resolve and carrying on with our way of life,

:10:18. > :10:24.which is exactly what we want to do. The biggest loss of life was at the

:10:25. > :10:33.Bataclan Theatre. Michael O'Connor was caught up in the attack. It was

:10:34. > :10:36.just like an automatic rifle firing into the crowd. People falling all

:10:37. > :10:48.over the place, screaming, pushing to get away. It was so fool as well.

:10:49. > :10:54.Once I realised what was going on, my first instinct was to get me and

:10:55. > :10:57.my girlfriend out of there. I don't think I heard the attackers shouting

:10:58. > :11:04.or saying anything, they were just firing indiscriminately into the

:11:05. > :11:09.crowd. When they had emptied the magazine, everybody got up and tried

:11:10. > :11:17.to make another --, they be loaded and started firing into us again.

:11:18. > :11:23.People were wounded and conscious but not crying out, trying to stay

:11:24. > :11:29.quiet. I could see lots of other people who were obviously dead. At

:11:30. > :11:32.one point we could tell there was activity on the balcony, we were

:11:33. > :11:39.whispering to each other that we would be OK. I thought I was going

:11:40. > :11:47.to die. At one point, because I could not see properly, it sounded

:11:48. > :11:54.like they were firing down from the balcony into the main area. I

:11:55. > :12:02.thought at some point they would shoot us as well. It was towards the

:12:03. > :12:06.end of a song. It sounded like firecrackers. People did not know

:12:07. > :12:17.what was going on. Thought it was part of the gig. Right up to the

:12:18. > :12:23.front of the stage, the lead singer ran off. At that point we realised

:12:24. > :12:31.this was not part of the show. This was reality. When they ran off stage

:12:32. > :12:36.there were gunshots, everything was quiet and the lights went on.

:12:37. > :12:43.Everybody dropped to the floor, people were hugging each other,

:12:44. > :12:46.protecting each other. It was really distressing. Could not believe what

:12:47. > :12:52.was happening. The gunfire continued. There was not any

:12:53. > :13:00.screaming, just silence, there was not even the echo of guns, these

:13:01. > :13:05.bullets kept hitting people. Everybody was silent, people were

:13:06. > :13:09.lying there, it felt like it was about ten minutes but it was

:13:10. > :13:21.probably about two minutes. People starting to crawl away. There was

:13:22. > :13:24.not a point where we could run, we were just crawling toward the fire

:13:25. > :13:29.exit. Some people were frozen with fear, not moving, it was disturbing

:13:30. > :13:40.that you were climbing over people, people just like you. I turned round

:13:41. > :13:48.to see where the sound came from and as I turned round, there were rows

:13:49. > :13:51.of people dropping to the floor. We followed. We looked up and just saw

:13:52. > :14:00.this guy walking around the edge of the room with a rifle, we both

:14:01. > :14:05.thought that was it for us, but thankfully after that, the doors

:14:06. > :14:13.opened and we were close enough that we got out fairly soon. People and

:14:14. > :14:16.governments across the world have pledged solidarity with France and

:14:17. > :14:46.have been spontaneous tributes as well. Here are some of them.

:14:47. > :15:00.My message to the French people is simple. This is an attack not just

:15:01. > :15:04.on Paris but not just on people of France but an attack on all of

:15:05. > :15:18.humanity and the values we share. All of the places where people were

:15:19. > :15:23.killed were places where people were having fun and there is no one in

:15:24. > :16:38.this world that should have the right to stop us doing what we love.

:16:39. > :16:49.Just to let you know this is being reported by Reuters, Belgian police

:16:50. > :16:55.have carried out a raid in the Brussels district where some of the

:16:56. > :17:04.suicide bombers are said to have lived.

:17:05. > :17:10.Coming up: We will hear from David Cameron on the Paris attacks,

:17:11. > :17:14.talking from the T20 summit in Turkey. We will hear what he says

:17:15. > :17:19.life. And as the Prime Minister warns of further attacks in Paris

:17:20. > :17:21.and across Europe, we will be live in Paris with Ben Brown in a few

:17:22. > :17:28.minutes. A manhunt is underway for one

:17:29. > :17:39.of the key suspects of the Paris terror attacks in

:17:40. > :17:41.which 129 people were killed. Police are searching

:17:42. > :17:42.for Brussels-born 26-year-old It's emerged that he was questioned

:17:43. > :17:46.in the hours afterwards Two more of

:17:47. > :17:56.the attackers have just been named. The authorities are already looking

:17:57. > :18:00.for him after he broke bail in 2013. A Syrian passport was found

:18:01. > :18:03.near his body. France has hit back

:18:04. > :18:06.against the Islamic State militant group in response to the Paris

:18:07. > :18:08.attacks, launching air strikes against their stronghold

:18:09. > :18:10.in the Syrian city of Raqqa. The defence ministry said 20 bombs

:18:11. > :18:13.were dropped in the raid overnight, hitting targets including

:18:14. > :18:15.a command centre, a munitions depot In the UK more money is to be

:18:16. > :18:19.made available for the security David Cameron says

:18:20. > :18:22.an extra 1900 officers would help in what he called a generational

:18:23. > :18:25.struggle against extremism. He's also told the Today programme

:18:26. > :18:28.that Britain should consider also I support the action in Syria.

:18:29. > :18:39.It is happening anyway. The question is,

:18:40. > :18:41.should we go further? I have always said I think it

:18:42. > :18:44.is sensible that we should. ISIL don't recognise

:18:45. > :18:48.a border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we.

:18:49. > :18:50.I need to build the argument, I need to take it to Parliament,

:18:51. > :19:01.I need to convince more people. We won't hold the vote unless we can

:19:02. > :19:08.see Parliament would endorse the A 16-year-old has been arrested

:19:09. > :19:10.on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked

:19:11. > :19:12.in East London. The officer was stabbed

:19:13. > :19:14.in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour

:19:15. > :19:16.in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said

:19:17. > :19:19.the constable is in a serious but stable condition in hospital.

:19:20. > :19:22.Around 60 flood warnings remain in place across Britain this

:19:23. > :19:26.morning, but the most serious risk is believed to have passed.

:19:27. > :19:28.Torrential rain over the weekend has caused flooding in parts of Cumbria,

:19:29. > :19:41.Lancashire and Yorkshire. Good morning. The French national

:19:42. > :19:44.team will travel to England today for the international friendly. They

:19:45. > :19:49.did have the offer for the game not to go ahead after the English FA

:19:50. > :19:56.suggested they could cancel the game, but all 23 players wanted the

:19:57. > :19:59.game to go ahead. Just like many sports stadiums across the world,

:20:00. > :20:04.the Wembley arch will be lit up with the colours of the French flag to

:20:05. > :20:08.show solidarity with the French people. Elsewhere in sport, Lewis

:20:09. > :20:13.Hamilton says that he will work hard to try and understand why he is now

:20:14. > :20:19.losing team is the sadist team-mate Nico Rosberg. Nico Rosberg racked up

:20:20. > :20:22.his second victory against Lewis Hamilton in quick succession after

:20:23. > :20:28.winning the Brazilian Grand Prix yesterday. And Andy Murray begins

:20:29. > :20:32.his ATP world tour finals campaign against David Ferrer out this

:20:33. > :20:36.afternoon. It will be interesting to see how Andy Murray get done because

:20:37. > :20:43.he has been preparing for the Davis cup final, which starts next week,

:20:44. > :20:48.on play, but this surface is a hard court so it will be interesting to

:20:49. > :20:55.see if he can step up to that challenge. -- on clay courts. Thank

:20:56. > :20:59.you. Inevitably our programme is dominated by events in Paris at the

:21:00. > :21:02.weekend. Let's go live to the capital and Ben Brown. What has the

:21:03. > :21:09.French Prime Minister been saying this morning? Manuel Valls has been

:21:10. > :21:13.saying that we have got to live with this terrorist threat. We have to

:21:14. > :21:16.fully live, but live with this threat, and that is the message that

:21:17. > :21:22.people here in Paris and around France are beginning to get. They

:21:23. > :21:28.have the attacks, the Charlie Hebdo killings, in January at the

:21:29. > :21:31.beginning of this year, and all the terror that followed them. And now

:21:32. > :21:35.the year is ending with more terrorism, even more deadly. Manuel

:21:36. > :21:41.Valls said Islamic state cannot win the war against us but this

:21:42. > :21:44.terrorist organisation is seeking to weaken and divide us. Here in Place

:21:45. > :21:48.de la Republique, in the heart of Paris, is where people have been

:21:49. > :21:52.coming to lay flowers and light candles in memory of the dead, but

:21:53. > :21:58.also leaving slogans saying that France will not be weekend or

:21:59. > :22:05.divided by this terrorism and they will stand up to it and defy it.

:22:06. > :22:09.What more can you tell us about the identity of the attackers?

:22:10. > :22:13.Interesting because new details have just emerged in the last few minutes

:22:14. > :22:17.about two of the suicide bombers. One of them who blew himself up

:22:18. > :22:22.outside the stadium where President Hollande was during the France

:22:23. > :22:28.friendly match with Germany, the star to France, that was Ahmad Al

:22:29. > :22:32.Mohammad. -- Stade de France. A Syrian passport was found by his

:22:33. > :22:36.body and if that is authentic, he was 25 years old and born in Syria.

:22:37. > :22:43.We are just getting that information now from the Paris prosecutors

:22:44. > :22:50.office, and the identity of another suicide bomber has been given, Samy

:22:51. > :22:53.Amimour, 28 and from France. This is interesting and very significant

:22:54. > :22:58.because this man was born in Paris and was known to the French

:22:59. > :23:02.intelligence services, we are hearing. He was actually placed

:23:03. > :23:08.under formal investigation in October 2012 for terrorist

:23:09. > :23:13.conspiracy. He was right on their radar. He broke bail in 2013. An

:23:14. > :23:19.international arrest warrant was issued for him. Three of his

:23:20. > :23:24.relatives have now been detained but this was a man who was on the radar

:23:25. > :23:30.of French intelligence, so yet more questions for them. And how would

:23:31. > :23:36.you describe the atmosphere today? Still very tense, Victoria. When we

:23:37. > :23:43.arrived here on Saturday morning, the city was pretty empty. Just in a

:23:44. > :23:46.few hours after the attacks, people frightened, nervous, staying in

:23:47. > :23:50.their homes and afraid to go onto the streets. And yesterday more

:23:51. > :23:55.people did come out onto the streets and they did want to attend vigils

:23:56. > :23:59.at the various scenes of the six attacks, lighting candles, laying

:24:00. > :24:02.flowers, showing solidarity. Then there was panic last night when

:24:03. > :24:06.people thought there had been a new attack right where we are in Place

:24:07. > :24:12.de la Republique, and people started running. Hundreds of people running,

:24:13. > :24:16.they thought for their lives. People are so on edge, really. There was

:24:17. > :24:20.not only gunfire but there were rumours that there had been some

:24:21. > :24:23.shooting and so they ran. There were extraordinary scenes in cafes with

:24:24. > :24:27.people diving under tables and lying on the floor because they thought

:24:28. > :24:31.new attacks had started. And particularly because one of the

:24:32. > :24:37.suspect is still on the run, 26-year-old Salah Abdeslam. Police

:24:38. > :24:40.have said that he is dangerous and should not be approached if seen.

:24:41. > :24:47.That is adding to the sense of nervousness and tension here. Thank

:24:48. > :24:51.you. Ben Brown live in Paris. It is probably worth repeating what the

:24:52. > :24:58.Paris prosecutor is telling us this morning about two of the suicide

:24:59. > :25:03.bombers. As we were saying, a 28-year-old French man, Samy

:25:04. > :25:06.Amimour, charged in 2012 in a terrorism investigation, and placed

:25:07. > :25:10.under judicial supervision, but he dropped off the radar and was the

:25:11. > :25:13.subject of an international arrest warrant. Another of the suicide

:25:14. > :25:20.bombers who blew himself up outside the Stade de France, tried to get

:25:21. > :25:27.in, found with a Syrian passport, by the name of Ahmad Al Mohammad. 25

:25:28. > :25:30.and born in Syria. The prosecutors are saying fingerprints from the

:25:31. > :25:34.attacker match those of somebody who passed through Greece in October.

:25:35. > :25:39.And three members of the family have been in custody since early Monday

:25:40. > :25:46.morning. The very first attacker to be formally identified was Omar

:25:47. > :25:48.Mostefai, a 29-year-old French man, born just South of Paris and we have

:25:49. > :25:55.been finding out more about him. I'm in Chartres,

:25:56. > :25:57.which is a town about an hour south of Paris, and we are

:25:58. > :26:01.outside the house of Omar Mostefai. It's here he lived in around 2012,

:26:02. > :26:04.but we've been on the trail It started when we were

:26:05. > :26:09.in Courcouronnes, the town just south of Paris, 15 kilometres south,

:26:10. > :26:11.and part of the Banlieux. I spoke to people there,

:26:12. > :26:15.and they kind of painted a picture of a bit of a

:26:16. > :26:19.street rat, bit of a kind of local Arrested eight times by police,

:26:20. > :26:22.involved in petty crime. But I spoke to a friend

:26:23. > :26:26.of his who said he was a nice guy, just one of the lads,

:26:27. > :26:29.used to drive around in cars and just generally hang out, nothing

:26:30. > :26:31.particularly menacing about him. But something seems to have happened

:26:32. > :26:34.in 2010 when he came here to Chartres and he was flagged by the

:26:35. > :26:37.government as a possible radical. In 2012, his brother at least thinks

:26:38. > :26:41.he may well have gone to Algeria, and from there possible he even

:26:42. > :26:45.went to Syria, but I've got to say We've been on the trail

:26:46. > :26:50.of this young man and it seems that it's gone from street rat to

:26:51. > :27:06.dangerous, dangerous radical. Still to come, we will be live in

:27:07. > :27:09.Paris where we will get political reaction on the terror attacks.

:27:10. > :27:12.Let's speak to Norman Smith about reaction here and in particular what

:27:13. > :27:17.David Cameron has been saying on the radio this morning. What would you

:27:18. > :27:21.draw from what he has said? A number of interesting lines. The most

:27:22. > :27:24.striking thing is that he said there have been seven thwarted terrorist

:27:25. > :27:32.plots in the UK in the last six months alone. They are not on the

:27:33. > :27:35.scale of what happened in Paris but seven is an awful lot in six months

:27:36. > :27:39.and that underlines the nature of the threat we now seem to face. He

:27:40. > :27:43.also announced there would be beefing up of security services and

:27:44. > :27:48.extra cash to take on 2000 more spies, bluntly. The budget for

:27:49. > :27:51.aviation services will be doubled, so more security officers at

:27:52. > :27:56.airports, more scanning, more research will technology to go into

:27:57. > :28:00.scanning equipment. And there will be a review into a number of

:28:01. > :28:04.airports in the Middle East and North Africa which are used by a lot

:28:05. > :28:11.of British travellers, just to see if the security there is up to date.

:28:12. > :28:14.And on top of all that, the investigatory powers bill, which we

:28:15. > :28:18.have talked a lot about, giving the security services more power to look

:28:19. > :28:22.at our emails, internet and data usage, there are indications that

:28:23. > :28:26.David Cameron might speed that up through the Commons. What is

:28:27. > :28:30.absolutely critical in many people's mines will be whether we are going

:28:31. > :28:35.to start bombing and joining in the air in Syria. The indication from

:28:36. > :28:39.David Cameron is no, not now, because there simply is no

:28:40. > :28:43.parliamentary majority for it. Labour MPs are opposed, the SNP, the

:28:44. > :28:51.Liberal Democrats, all opposed. But this is the thing. There are signs

:28:52. > :28:54.that the West, Britain, America and France, are willing to strike a deal

:28:55. > :29:00.with President Putin because the language has changed. If a deal can

:29:01. > :29:08.be done with Putin said that Russia focuses all its efforts on attacking

:29:09. > :29:12.IS, all its diplomatic efforts there, that could potentially mean

:29:13. > :29:15.some Labour MPs think they have a diplomatic route and we could be

:29:16. > :29:19.willing to support military action if there is a diplomatic route. Just

:29:20. > :29:24.listen to what David Cameron said on the wireless this morning about

:29:25. > :29:29.relations with Russia. It sounds much more conciliatory. Of course we

:29:30. > :29:34.are using our military power in Iraq, directly combating Isil and

:29:35. > :29:38.they have lost 20% of the territory that they held, but we are also

:29:39. > :29:45.using our military power to stop in their tracks threats to this

:29:46. > :29:48.country, as we did with Hussein and in helping the Americans with

:29:49. > :29:54.so-called Jihadi John, who were all in Syria. On the issue of going

:29:55. > :29:59.further, I support the action in Syria. We are part of the enablers

:30:00. > :30:03.for that. It is happening anyway. The question is whether we should go

:30:04. > :30:07.further and join that action. I have always said that I think it is

:30:08. > :30:11.sensible that we should. Isil do not recognise a border between Iraq and

:30:12. > :30:15.Syria and neither do we but I need to build the argument, take it to

:30:16. > :30:30.Parliament, convince more people. We will not hold that vote unless we

:30:31. > :30:33.can see that Parliament would endorse that action, because to fail

:30:34. > :30:35.on this would be damaging. It is not a question of damaging the

:30:36. > :30:38.Government. It is not damaging our country and its reputation in the

:30:39. > :30:40.world. I will build the case, but in the end Parliament must decide. So

:30:41. > :30:43.air strikes and joining in, in the immediate future, no. David Cameron

:30:44. > :30:49.is not going to risk it, not just because of the personal blow to his

:30:50. > :30:53.own authority but the diplomatic risks. It would be a political coup

:30:54. > :30:57.for Islamic state. The view in Government circles is that if they

:30:58. > :31:01.can get Putin on board, if they can get some broad agreement reached,

:31:02. > :31:05.then he can go back to the Commons and say, look, I want you to support

:31:06. > :31:09.air strikes but I have a diplomatic plan as well. Many Labour MPs are

:31:10. > :31:14.saying they will not support air strikes unless there is a clear

:31:15. > :31:18.diplomatic plan. If David Cameron and Obama can hammer out a

:31:19. > :31:21.diplomatic plan, then it is quite possible that David Cameron will

:31:22. > :31:23.come back to the Commons and say, look, here it is, now will you back

:31:24. > :31:34.air strikes? David Cameron addressed that this

:31:35. > :31:39.morning but there are differences because we are an island. That is a

:31:40. > :31:43.fairly significant factor. When you speak to the police they say the

:31:44. > :31:53.availability of guns in Britain is much less, particularly automatic

:31:54. > :31:58.weapons. The other thing David Cameron spoke about is we have

:31:59. > :32:05.different border controls. They have an agreement so that in the rest of

:32:06. > :32:10.Europe when you are in, you are in. But let us not be naive, we have

:32:11. > :32:19.seen terrorism on the streets already, and we should expect more

:32:20. > :32:24.police on the streets, more presence at sporting events, such as the

:32:25. > :32:28.coming football match. I wonder whether the Chancellor will need to

:32:29. > :32:31.think again about cuts to police budgets because you can imagine the

:32:32. > :32:37.Home Secretary will be saying to him, hang on a second, you cannot

:32:38. > :32:49.seriously be talking about cutting police numbers. We are getting more

:32:50. > :32:55.details about the suicide bombers all the time. The French Daugherty

:32:56. > :33:11.is identifying another two of the attackers. -- French authorities.

:33:12. > :33:16.One of the attackers came from Turkey, he was found with the Syrian

:33:17. > :33:19.passport alongside him. Still not clear if that passport was genuine

:33:20. > :33:29.or not. His family are saying that he went to Syria two years ago.

:33:30. > :33:41.More information coming in all the time. Let us speak to a

:33:42. > :33:57.French-Algerian journalist who specialises in Islamic politics. How

:33:58. > :34:03.do you respond to what happened? My first thought was I was glad I was

:34:04. > :34:17.not there. I go back and forth an awful lot. My sister, my brother, my

:34:18. > :34:25.friends live in Paris. My first reaction was to say, thank God I am

:34:26. > :34:29.safe. I will make sure family and friends were caught in this tragedy,

:34:30. > :34:35.I spoke to my sister and she said she was about to go out with

:34:36. > :34:40.girlfriends around that time. They got lazy about it and they remained

:34:41. > :34:47.away from the capital. I also spoke to my younger brother, who lives in

:34:48. > :34:50.Paris, and told him to stay at home because there was no indication at

:34:51. > :34:55.that point that the attacks were over. There could be further attacks

:34:56. > :35:01.and, as it happens, there is an ongoing crisis, with one of the

:35:02. > :35:06.terrorist at large, with one of the accomplices. It is very much an

:35:07. > :35:10.ongoing threat and I wanted to make sure, he is a distinctive looking

:35:11. > :35:16.young man, there was always going to be a risk of him being arrested or

:35:17. > :35:23.being the victim of violence because of retaliation attacks. Rate. That

:35:24. > :35:27.is interesting you talk about retaliation, is that an

:35:28. > :35:34.inevitability? There are always going to be people who will want to

:35:35. > :35:37.link the attacks and try to stigmatise entire communities

:35:38. > :35:47.because of the background of the perpetrators, of the attacks. To

:35:48. > :35:50.give you some staggering figures, after the Charlie Hebdo attacks,

:35:51. > :35:57.within hours they work grenade and arson attacks in France against

:35:58. > :36:04.mosques. In the six months, physical assaults against Muslims have

:36:05. > :36:09.increased by 500%. There was an increase of 100% of verbal abuse,

:36:10. > :36:15.with women wearing headscarves being targeted particularly, including

:36:16. > :36:20.children who refused to do the minute of silence because they did

:36:21. > :36:25.not feel that they were with Charlie Hebdo. They were pulled out of

:36:26. > :36:34.classrooms and taken to police stations. We are talking about

:36:35. > :36:44.children aged 8-12. This feels different, don't you think? It feels

:36:45. > :36:46.very different. It was indiscriminate, particularly

:36:47. > :36:58.sinister because of the targets. It is very easy to attack civilians.

:36:59. > :37:06.The danger of -- the nature of these attacks makes it the most cowardly

:37:07. > :37:10.possible. I think there will be a different feeling to Paris. There is

:37:11. > :37:16.a determination to put a resilient front and say, never again but we

:37:17. > :37:19.heard that slogan in January. There was marching across Paris. It was

:37:20. > :37:32.highly symbolic. It was necessary, but I think the French will expect

:37:33. > :37:37.more than token a stick marches. They expect the government to do

:37:38. > :37:41.much more than that, including intelligence, proper intelligence.

:37:42. > :37:46.Let me ask you about some of the information coming out this morning,

:37:47. > :37:52.that one of the men went to Syria a couple of years ago and was on the

:37:53. > :37:57.radar of the authorities, under judicial supervision until 2013,

:37:58. > :38:01.then dropping off the radar. Indeed. There is something depressingly

:38:02. > :38:08.familiar and predictable about the profile of the terrorists, not only

:38:09. > :38:14.those involved in these attacks but also invariably, they tend to be

:38:15. > :38:19.young French men of North African background who live on housing

:38:20. > :38:25.estates, very much deprived areas. They tend to come from troubled

:38:26. > :38:37.backgrounds, involved in petty criminality. They have a track

:38:38. > :38:45.record of radicalisation. It includes spending time abroad.

:38:46. > :38:53.Countries where we can have an affiliation. There is still a heck

:38:54. > :39:01.of a leap from growing up in a deprived suburb and then 20 years

:39:02. > :39:06.later turning up with a suicide vest and a Kalashnikov to kill Muslims,

:39:07. > :39:15.Christians, French people, at a rock concert. There is indeed, but there

:39:16. > :39:22.are clues that you cannot ignore, and that includes the radicalisation

:39:23. > :39:30.aspect. Invariably, these young people are known to security

:39:31. > :39:33.services. I think the radicalisation aspect makes them particularly

:39:34. > :39:43.interesting for the security services, people who should be

:39:44. > :39:47.monitored properly. Trips abroad to countries like Syria, that is not

:39:48. > :39:52.innocent. It takes a handful of sociopaths from that background to

:39:53. > :40:00.absolutely reek havoc. These are people who, in their minds, have

:40:01. > :40:04.nothing to lose. There is a tacit agreement that they are prepared to

:40:05. > :40:10.kill as many people as possible and die themselves. May I just add that

:40:11. > :40:17.after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, we have heard from the Prime Minister

:40:18. > :40:23.of France, he spoke very frankly and bluntly about an ethnic, territorial

:40:24. > :40:29.and social apartheid in France. The high-rise estates, characterised

:40:30. > :40:40.with delinquency, discrimination and poverty. It is a fertile ground for

:40:41. > :40:47.people to become liable to carry out the radicalisation. The French

:40:48. > :40:53.interior minister is about to hold a press conference in Paris, we will

:40:54. > :41:01.cross live when he begins. Why do you think Paris again? To be

:41:02. > :41:09.perfectly honest, I'm sure there are many reasons, but there is also an

:41:10. > :41:16.intrinsic link, it seems, between foreign policy and domestic

:41:17. > :41:21.affairs, and there is certainly a relation there between France's

:41:22. > :41:27.decision to tackle an extremely serious, global problem, that is

:41:28. > :41:35.barbaric, radicalisation linked to groups like Isis, strikes in their

:41:36. > :41:44.territory, eastern Syria, western Iraq, and the perception that it is

:41:45. > :41:49.an unjust crusade, and yet another attack on Muslim countries, that in

:41:50. > :41:56.itself, we know that groups like Isis have mastered the art of

:41:57. > :42:04.communication and they can certainly use that as a propaganda tool, to

:42:05. > :42:12.recruit vulnerable minds. Thank you for talking to us. This news is

:42:13. > :42:18.coming into us. It is from a source in David Cameron's office. Britain

:42:19. > :42:29.foiled the attack -- foiled an attack on the UK in the last month.

:42:30. > :42:35.British authorities foiled an attack on the UK in the last month. That is

:42:36. > :42:42.being reported by Reuters. We will bring more answers to that. We are

:42:43. > :42:48.going to speak now to people living in France because it is not just a

:42:49. > :42:52.global effort going on but also a network of collaborators. As that

:42:53. > :42:58.recessed takes place some community leaders have said they fear a sinner

:42:59. > :43:05.may -- they fear a lot of hatred coming towards French Muslims.

:43:06. > :43:08.Letters park to a member of the foundation for ethnic understanding.

:43:09. > :43:17.-- let us speak. Is a backlash inevitable against some Muslims

:43:18. > :43:28.living in Paris? Thank you for your invitation. Yes, of course we are

:43:29. > :43:36.fearing backlash. Honestly speaking, we have already witnessed some

:43:37. > :43:40.rallies in the north of France against Muslims, we have seen masks

:43:41. > :43:50.that have been tagged with racist slogans. -- mosques. At the same

:43:51. > :43:54.time, we need to bring a new narrative into society, saying that

:43:55. > :44:00.we have failed to answer the Charlie Hebdo attack, we have failed to

:44:01. > :44:05.bring a long-term solution in terms of foreign policy, the mess the

:44:06. > :44:14.conveyors, we need to bring back those issues to the table of

:44:15. > :44:19.politicians and ask them, and demand some real solution on those topics.

:44:20. > :44:25.What do you think of your President's response, to send more

:44:26. > :44:31.French jets to drop bombs on Islamic State's stronghold in Raqqa? I wake

:44:32. > :44:40.up this morning and I have seen this news and I was taken aback. Do we

:44:41. > :44:44.really think sending weapons and bombing a city like Raqqa will solve

:44:45. > :44:49.the issue? We know that the terrorist attack happened from

:44:50. > :45:00.people who were born and raised in this country. I don't think bombing

:45:01. > :45:05.Daesh is the solution, I don't think it is right to do that and not think

:45:06. > :45:10.about the situation that happens because of President Assad. We need

:45:11. > :45:12.to look at our foreign policy and see where we failed, because we

:45:13. > :45:24.failed. Thank you for talking to us. This reported by Associated Press,

:45:25. > :45:31.the latest on the attacks in Paris. A French official says the suspected

:45:32. > :45:38.mastermind of the attacks was also linked to thwarted train and church

:45:39. > :45:44.attacks, they have identified him as a Belgian man and they say he is

:45:45. > :45:52.believed to be linked to various attacks on a Paris bound high-speed

:45:53. > :45:57.train and Paris church. The official was not authorised to be publicly

:45:58. > :46:09.identified. The suspected mastermind is a Belgian man. He is believed to

:46:10. > :46:13.be linked to the watered attacks. At the moment, seven people are in

:46:14. > :46:18.custody in Belgium suspected of links to the attacks. An

:46:19. > :46:21.international arrest warrant has been issued for a Belgian born

:46:22. > :46:34.Frenchman believed to be involved as well.

:46:35. > :46:41.A lot of rain in the last 48 hours, with dramatic footage of rivers

:46:42. > :46:45.breaking their banks, cars getting submerged and a lot of flooding

:46:46. > :46:50.across northern areas. This picture is Yorkshire and the river cruise at

:46:51. > :46:54.very high levels. The bad news is more wet and windy weather

:46:55. > :46:57.throughout this week with more chance of flooding, but then

:46:58. > :47:02.something colder with wintry showers later. That is a long way off so I

:47:03. > :47:06.will go back to the here and now. Monday is breezy with severe gales

:47:07. > :47:09.developing in northern Scotland through the afternoon. Wintry

:47:10. > :47:12.showers over the Scottish mountaintops and rain to lower

:47:13. > :47:18.levels. A cold things in the northern half of the country and

:47:19. > :47:23.mild in the South. Wetter weather coming in too much of England and

:47:24. > :47:27.Wales, including areas in the North that have already seen flooding.

:47:28. > :47:31.That storm is bringing severe gales that slowly move away. Both weather

:47:32. > :47:35.systems clear away, but then we say hello to the next area of low

:47:36. > :47:39.pressure hurtling into south-western parts of the country throughout

:47:40. > :47:43.Tuesday, bringing more wet and windy weather in areas where we do not

:47:44. > :47:47.need any more rain. Temperatures on the mild side in the southern half

:47:48. > :47:52.of the country but quite cool in the North with temperatures in single

:47:53. > :47:55.figures. Into the middle part of the week, we see the next area of low

:47:56. > :48:02.pressure moving in. This one has a sting in its tail, bringing gales to

:48:03. > :48:06.northern parts of the UK. Then this next area of low pressure brings in

:48:07. > :48:09.more wet and windy weather. Keep tuned to the weather forecast and

:48:10. > :48:14.keep up to date on the flood weather warnings.

:48:15. > :48:19.Thank you. Good morning. It is ten o'clock on Monday. I am Victoria

:48:20. > :48:23.Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme

:48:24. > :48:25.if you've just joined us.. Standing in solidarity - the whole

:48:26. > :48:29.of Europe is set to fall silent in an hour's time as people across

:48:30. > :48:32.the continent pause for a minute's silence to remember the victims

:48:33. > :48:38.of the Paris terror attacks. I just turned round to see whether

:48:39. > :48:43.sound came from and everybody was just dropping to the floor, row

:48:44. > :48:46.after row, so we followed suit. I remember looking up from the floor

:48:47. > :48:53.for just a second and seeing this guy walking around the edge of the

:48:54. > :48:56.room with a rifle. Meanwhile, seven of the Paris attackers are

:48:57. > :49:01.identified as the manhunt for an eighth continues. Police have

:49:02. > :49:05.carried out 150 raids on suspected Islamist militants. Meanwhile France

:49:06. > :49:10.retaliates for the attacks, carrying out a wave of air strikes on Raqqa

:49:11. > :49:22.in Syria, the stronghold of the so-called Islamic State. In the UK,

:49:23. > :49:25.it has been revealed that seven security attacks were foiled in the

:49:26. > :49:34.last six months and one in the last month. Good morning. The main news

:49:35. > :49:38.so far this morning: A manhunt is under way for one of the key suspect

:49:39. > :49:47.in the Paris terror attacks, in which 129 people were killed.

:49:48. > :50:00.Police are searching for 26-year-old seller Abdul and -- Salah Abdeslam.

:50:01. > :50:09.He was born in France. Police are also searching for Omar Mostefai,

:50:10. > :50:12.who broke bail in 2013, and Ahmad Al Mohammad, whose Syrian passport was

:50:13. > :50:16.found next to his body. The mastermind of the attacks has been

:50:17. > :50:21.identified as a Belgian man called Abdul Hamid Abood. French police

:50:22. > :50:25.have carried out 150 raids across the country since Friday night.

:50:26. > :50:28.Several people have been arrested and weapons seized. The French Prime

:50:29. > :50:34.Minister Manuel Valls says the attacks were planned from Syria and

:50:35. > :50:38.more were being prepared. We know that operations were being prepared

:50:39. > :50:43.and are still being prepared, not only against France, but other

:50:44. > :50:47.European countries as well. Islamic State issued a statement on Saturday

:50:48. > :50:52.in which they claimed responsibility for the attacks, and it stated

:50:53. > :50:56.clearly that these countries were its possible targets. France has hit

:50:57. > :50:59.back against the Islamic State militant group in response to the

:51:00. > :51:10.attacks, launching air strikes in their stronghold of the Syrian city

:51:11. > :51:13.of Raqqa. 20 bombs were dropped overnight targeting munitions depots

:51:14. > :51:21.and a training camp. It has emerged that Britain prevented a tax on the

:51:22. > :51:27.UK last month, following knowledge that more money will be made

:51:28. > :51:30.available for MI5, MI6 and GCHQ. David Cameron said 1900 officers

:51:31. > :51:37.would be involved in what he called a generational struggle against

:51:38. > :51:43.extremism. He also told the Today programme that we should continue

:51:44. > :51:46.considering air strikes in Syria. I support air strikes in Syria and we

:51:47. > :51:51.are part of the enablers of that. The question is whether we should go

:51:52. > :51:54.further and support the action. I think we should. Isil do not

:51:55. > :51:57.recognise a border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we but I

:51:58. > :52:01.need to build the argument, take it to Parliament and convince more

:52:02. > :52:03.people. We will not hold that vote unless we can see that Parliament

:52:04. > :52:08.would endorse that action. A 16-year-old has been arrested

:52:09. > :52:11.on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked

:52:12. > :52:13.in East London. The officer was stabbed

:52:14. > :52:15.in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour

:52:16. > :52:17.in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said the constable is

:52:18. > :52:20.in a serious but stable condition. Around 60 flood warnings remain

:52:21. > :52:22.in place across Britain this morning, but the most serious risk

:52:23. > :52:25.is believed to have passed. Torrential rain over the weekend has

:52:26. > :52:28.caused flooding in parts of Cumbria, The French national team travel to

:52:29. > :52:38.England today after turning down an offer to withdraw from

:52:39. > :52:41.tomorrow's friendly at Wembley, Like many sports stadiums

:52:42. > :52:43.around the world, the Wembley arch will be lit up

:52:44. > :52:50.in the colours of the French flag. Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg beat

:52:51. > :52:53.his team mate Lewis Hamilton for the second time in a row,

:52:54. > :52:57.winning the Brazilian Grand Prix. Rosberg started on pole,

:52:58. > :53:00.led at the first corner, Hamilton sealed the Championship

:53:01. > :53:07.title last month. Andy Murray begins his ATP World

:53:08. > :53:10.Finals campaign later today. Murray hasn't had the ideal

:53:11. > :53:18.preparation for this event. The world number two is also looking

:53:19. > :53:22.ahead to the Davis Cup final against Belgium

:53:23. > :53:35.and faced the challenge of having to That is all the sport for now. Thank

:53:36. > :53:40.you. The French Interior Minister has just begun a press conference in

:53:41. > :53:55.France. They present a threat against our country. I have

:53:56. > :54:02.announced that six French citizens have been identified. 34 were

:54:03. > :54:10.prevented from leaving the country. And including the imam is, the

:54:11. > :54:13.preachers of hate. For months now, the services of the Interior

:54:14. > :54:22.Ministry have gathered the necessary means and measures in the cultural

:54:23. > :54:31.centres and also locations of face to prevent this. The procedure is

:54:32. > :54:39.under way and will be examined by the Council of ministers, these

:54:40. > :54:46.measures. The judicial framework, the state of emergency, will allow

:54:47. > :54:55.us to amplify this work in the long term, to prevent attacks and protect

:54:56. > :55:04.French citizens. I have an exceptional mobilisation within the

:55:05. > :55:14.scope of emergency measures so that we carry out a search of households

:55:15. > :55:20.and homes. Over the past 48 hours, 100 targets have been identified.

:55:21. > :55:26.Individuals have been identified since last night. The police and

:55:27. > :55:33.gender armoury are working in coordination with territorial

:55:34. > :55:41.services and have carried out 68 searches of individual houses and

:55:42. > :55:49.suspects following accusations. This will speed up and this is important

:55:50. > :56:04.and essential our investigations over the radicalised objectives and

:56:05. > :56:15.also to give us the information. The state of emergency has been applied.

:56:16. > :56:20.The searches were into loos, Leon -- Toulouse, Lyon and throughout

:56:21. > :56:27.France. Not a single area will be left alone within the maximum alert

:56:28. > :56:35.where the forces of the law are mobilised within my authority. I

:56:36. > :56:54.would like to give the first 24 individuals that have been detained.

:56:55. > :56:58.18 drugs and stupefying drugs have been found. We have also found

:56:59. > :57:05.telecommunication means that would have been used. For example an

:57:06. > :57:12.object has been identified that would have been used for the

:57:13. > :57:18.trafficking of arms and drugs. We have managed to find a Kalashnikov,

:57:19. > :57:27.three automatic pistols, and an anti-bullet fest. Under the

:57:28. > :57:33.direction of the Republic's prosecutor and judiciary, we have

:57:34. > :57:38.orders to search the household of a number of people. We found a number

:57:39. > :57:45.of automatic pistols and military uniforms and rocket launchers. The

:57:46. > :57:58.judiciary police is carrying out its investigation as we speak. As you

:57:59. > :58:03.know, there could be a connection, a link with terrorists. Everything

:58:04. > :58:08.gathered last night will be studied with regard to a terrorist link.

:58:09. > :58:19.This is just the beginning. These actions will continue. The reply of

:58:20. > :58:25.the Republic will be solid and total. Those who want to hurt the

:58:26. > :58:32.Republic, they will be attacked. They will be dealt with, and those

:58:33. > :58:38.who help them, therefore as the Prime Minister has reminded us this

:58:39. > :58:46.morning, we are applying all investigation means to dispel the

:58:47. > :58:56.radical Imams who dispel hatred and putting them under house arrest.

:58:57. > :59:01.They have been targeted. Ladies and gentlemen, this terrorist barbarism

:59:02. > :59:04.has opened a war against us. There are no other options except one and

:59:05. > :59:16.this is the one the French have adopted. And the French Government

:59:17. > :59:20.is applying a response from the Republic against those who wish to

:59:21. > :59:22.destroy us. The terrorists will never destroy the Republic because

:59:23. > :59:31.the Republic will destroy them. Thank you. That was the French

:59:32. > :59:36.Interior Minister. Various details about the identities of the suicide

:59:37. > :59:41.bombers. He talked about 68 searches of suspects' houses across France.

:59:42. > :59:46.Weapons and ammunition that have been seized including pistols and

:59:47. > :59:49.rocket launchers. Here, Downing Street sources are saying that

:59:50. > :59:53.security services prevented one attack in the UK in the last month

:59:54. > :59:56.and earlier today the Prime Minister said that seven attacks were

:59:57. > :00:01.prevented in Britain in the last six months. Frank Gardner, our security

:00:02. > :00:06.correspondent, is here. Would that be pretty typical for what has been

:00:07. > :00:09.thwarted? Well, the number of attacks they are thwarting is far

:00:10. > :00:21.higher this year than it has been in the past. It is right back to the

:00:22. > :00:24.intense period around 2005 and 2006 and possibly worse. They are resting

:00:25. > :00:26.one person on average every day on suspicion of terrorism offences,

:00:27. > :00:31.which is really alarming. The pace of the arrests, the pace of the

:00:32. > :00:36.threat, it is unprecedented. The scale of the thwarted attacks that

:00:37. > :00:40.David Cameron referred to there is tiny compared to what has happened

:00:41. > :00:44.in Paris. They would still be damaging. If those attacks had gone

:00:45. > :00:48.through, I am sure it would have been very bad for anybody involved,

:00:49. > :00:53.but they are not on the scale of Paris. Nothing that we have seen

:00:54. > :00:58.here, apart from 7/7, is on quite that scale. There was the liquid

:00:59. > :01:02.bomb plot, which was huge, but these are relatively minor. I think that

:01:03. > :01:06.the intelligence agencies in Britain and probably in other countries have

:01:07. > :01:11.probably lulled themselves into the idea that the most likely threat

:01:12. > :01:15.will come from lone operators, people like the people that attacked

:01:16. > :01:20.Lee Rigby in the streets of wallets, who will be radicalised, yes, but

:01:21. > :01:24.not predicting on a watch list and will suddenly be spurred into

:01:25. > :01:28.action. But we have seen from Paris that this was carefully planned and

:01:29. > :01:33.coordinated and almost certainly directed from Raqqa in Syria, so

:01:34. > :01:37.that is back to the Al-Qaeda model of a centralised direction, sending

:01:38. > :01:51.out teams from overseas, the Middle East, the wider Middle East.

:01:52. > :01:58.The government has announced they are increasing the manpower of the

:01:59. > :02:07.intelligence agencies, that is GCHQ, MI5, MI6, by 15%. 1900 new

:02:08. > :02:16.intelligence and security officers are going to be added. A huge part

:02:17. > :02:23.of the challenge is to break these in critical applications, break into

:02:24. > :02:38.them, if they can communicate with each other, they cannot be detected.

:02:39. > :02:42.The challenge for any government is to make sure those powers are not

:02:43. > :02:54.abused, if they get the bill through, it is very important they

:02:55. > :02:56.are not abused by councils, snooping on people where they live, seeing if

:02:57. > :03:02.they are putting out their rubbish on time and things like that. The

:03:03. > :03:06.thing it does not address is community policing, that is quite

:03:07. > :03:09.dangerous because one of the big success stories is that communities,

:03:10. > :03:18.not necessarily Muslim communities, have been very good at feeding up

:03:19. > :03:22.information if they think they are concerned about somebody being

:03:23. > :03:26.radicalised, leaving a bag unattended, that is a really ported

:03:27. > :03:37.part of intelligence gathering. There is a limit to how much you can

:03:38. > :03:41.intercept traditional intelligence gathering, a lot of it is the public

:03:42. > :03:45.being public spirited. If you reduce community policing there is a risk

:03:46. > :03:50.you will lose those eyes and ears on the ground. Can I ask you one final

:03:51. > :03:55.question about weapons and ammunition and the kind of things

:03:56. > :03:59.that were used in Paris, where they are coming from and why it is so

:04:00. > :04:05.easy to get them across, and is it possible that kind of weaponry could

:04:06. > :04:09.end up in Britain? It is not impossible, Britain has been speared

:04:10. > :04:15.the kind of big marauding terrorist attacks we have seen in Paris twice

:04:16. > :04:20.this year. That is partly because it has tighter border controls, we are

:04:21. > :04:30.not part of the agreement which allows free passage of people across

:04:31. > :04:43.borders without checks. The weapons come from the Balkans. It is very

:04:44. > :04:48.easy for them to cross borders in the EU. The Germans got lucky, they

:04:49. > :04:57.stopped the car where the boot was full of AK-47s. Unfortunately they

:04:58. > :05:07.did not think to inform the rest of Europe, even though this person had

:05:08. > :05:12.Paris in his Saturn Avenue. Who knows if that would have thought of

:05:13. > :05:22.them. -- in his GPS navigation device. Weapons like this appear in

:05:23. > :05:27.all these attacks, they have not so far appeared on the streets of

:05:28. > :05:38.Britain. But we are not immune to it. There was the IRA connection a

:05:39. > :05:52.long time ago. But nobody is being complacent about this. What do we

:05:53. > :06:03.know about the identity of the men who carried out the attacks? Seven

:06:04. > :06:07.have been named. One is Salah Abdeslam, he was spoken to by police

:06:08. > :06:17.hours after the attacks and is thought to have rented a car. Two

:06:18. > :06:23.other suspects are his brothers. One of them blew himself up near the

:06:24. > :06:25.Bataclan. A third brother is reported to have been arrested by

:06:26. > :06:39.police in Belgium. Another has been named as the

:06:40. > :06:45.attacker who died at the stag do France.

:06:46. > :06:51.A Syrian passport was found near his body. Then there is a 28-year-old

:06:52. > :07:01.from near Paris, also thought to have died, blowing himself up at the

:07:02. > :07:08.Bataclan. He was charged in 2012 over claims that he planned to

:07:09. > :07:13.travel to Yemen. He was going to be placed under judicial supervision

:07:14. > :07:29.and then dropped off the radar. Our correspondent is in the centre of

:07:30. > :07:32.Paris. We are here at the Place de la Republique, the place where

:07:33. > :07:36.people came in January to express their defiance. They have come back

:07:37. > :07:41.here after the killings, they have lit candles and left flowers,

:07:42. > :07:44.leaving messages saying that France and the French values of democracy

:07:45. > :07:48.and liberty will not be beaten by terrorist attacks like the one we

:07:49. > :07:56.saw on Friday night. The death toll currently stands at 129. This is

:07:57. > :08:00.still very much a city on edge. Very tense, very nervous. Last night

:08:01. > :08:05.people heard rumours that shots had been fired. It was a false alarm.

:08:06. > :08:12.People were running for their lives and taking cover under tables in

:08:13. > :08:30.cafes, to give a sense of panic in this city. I am joined by senior

:08:31. > :08:42.French politicians to discuss the aftermath of these killings. Thank

:08:43. > :08:48.you to both of you. What are your thoughts in the wake of these

:08:49. > :08:56.terrible attacks that have left so many dead in this beautiful city?

:08:57. > :09:04.They are terrifying attacks. It is the most violent attack we have had

:09:05. > :09:08.in our country since the Second World War. It was a very coordinated

:09:09. > :09:15.action. We need to think about how we can resist this new type of

:09:16. > :09:26.terrorism. Even though we're used these kind of attacks, I must say.

:09:27. > :09:40.Francois Hollande said this is a war against terrorism, do you agree with

:09:41. > :09:47.that? In January we had a very big attack, but it is the first time it

:09:48. > :09:52.was so bad, and I think you need to think differently in France, to

:09:53. > :10:01.fight this. You need to think differently in the Europe, we need

:10:02. > :10:12.to have something different because now the problem comes from Syria and

:10:13. > :10:20.Iraq, and you need to have Europe fighting these people who come here

:10:21. > :10:26.to kill us. You need to fight this. You need to have the same thinking,

:10:27. > :10:34.the same solidarity between Europe, Russia and America. Some people have

:10:35. > :10:39.asked questions about the French intelligence services, one of the

:10:40. > :10:48.suicide bombers was known to them. Have there been failure is

:10:49. > :10:57.questionable I would not say that, we had discussed about the

:10:58. > :11:07.coordination of security services. We have discussed having a modern

:11:08. > :11:13.security service. We need to analyse, get back to Parliament and

:11:14. > :11:23.discuss together how we can find out different solutions because the next

:11:24. > :11:36.attacks might be different, everything is flexible, we need to

:11:37. > :11:41.react in that way, to get security services to adapt. Do you think

:11:42. > :11:47.there will be more attacks? I do not know, we are engaged in a war

:11:48. > :11:55.against Islamic State in Syria, foreign policy, we need to think

:11:56. > :12:01.about how we can react in the Middle East, how we can get together,

:12:02. > :12:16.otherwise every state can close its borders. Do you think there could be

:12:17. > :12:26.more attacks? Yes, everything is possible, I think it is possible,

:12:27. > :12:32.you can never say, it is something for a long time, because a big

:12:33. > :12:35.problem in the world, it is very difficult for us to say but I think

:12:36. > :12:44.we could have more attacks. Many thanks to both of you. There will be

:12:45. > :12:51.a minute's silence in France and across Europe later today to

:12:52. > :12:55.remember the dead, and Francois Hollande will be addressing a joint

:12:56. > :13:02.session at both houses of the French parliament later. The Prime

:13:03. > :13:07.Minister, David Cameron, who is at the Jeep 20 summit, has told a press

:13:08. > :13:13.conference the summit had agreed important steps to cut off terrorist

:13:14. > :13:18.financing and counter extremist ideologies. He told a press

:13:19. > :13:30.conference the summit has collectively agreed important

:13:31. > :13:41.steps. Raids are taking place at locations across France. The Prime

:13:42. > :13:45.Minister said the authorities were using a state of emergency to

:13:46. > :13:49.question people who were part of the radical jihadists movement. Our

:13:50. > :13:56.reporter has the latest. They were just randomly shooting

:13:57. > :14:09.first in the dark. We were quite close to the stage,

:14:10. > :14:15.just dancing. We heard a bang, there was shouting and screaming, firing

:14:16. > :14:18.indiscriminately into the crowd. A random massacre, it lasted a

:14:19. > :14:25.lifetime, and eternity. It was probably an hour. As Paris comes to

:14:26. > :14:28.terms with the worst terror attack since the Second World War, the

:14:29. > :14:34.investigation into what happened on Friday appears to be moving quickly.

:14:35. > :14:37.In the north of the city, at the stadium, reports that at least one

:14:38. > :14:40.of the suicide bombers had a ticket to the game and try to get inside

:14:41. > :14:53.before being challenged by security. It was here that police found a

:14:54. > :14:57.Syrian passport near the body of one of the attackers. Officials have

:14:58. > :15:04.confirmed it was used to travel the migrant routes through Greece. No

:15:05. > :15:09.direct link has been made with the attack and at this stage there is

:15:10. > :15:19.the possibility it was planted, forged, or stolen. Around the time

:15:20. > :15:26.of the attack, there was six strikes in and around the east of Paris.

:15:27. > :15:39.There was a firecracker, it went on and then it got louder.

:15:40. > :15:46.Also -- on Sunday the focus was on this black car, used as a getaway

:15:47. > :15:53.vehicle. The police found abandoned in the outskirts of the city with an

:15:54. > :15:59.initial the back-seat. It was in the Bataclan concert venue there was the

:16:00. > :16:03.greatest loss of life. More than 80 are confirmed dead there with dozens

:16:04. > :16:06.more in a serious condition. New footage emerged of the moment

:16:07. > :16:15.shooting broke out as the band played. A second car used in this

:16:16. > :16:21.attack has been traced to this man, Salah Abdeslam, one of three

:16:22. > :16:25.brothers suspected of being involved in the attacks. A manhunt is under

:16:26. > :16:31.way for the 26-year-old, who was reportedly stopped by police,

:16:32. > :16:37.driving in a car north to the Belgian border. The international

:16:38. > :16:46.connection appears to be key. Police made a series of arrests over the

:16:47. > :16:52.weekend in Brussels. They detained several men including the older

:16:53. > :16:54.brother of Salah Abdeslam. The names of the attackers are slowly being

:16:55. > :16:58.released, including another man from that same family. He blew himself up

:16:59. > :17:14.in a bar. Another 150 police raids have taken

:17:15. > :17:25.place on militant targets across France this morning in cities from

:17:26. > :17:28.Paris to Grenoble to Toulouse. But in Paris last night it was about the

:17:29. > :17:35.victims rather than the perpetrators.

:17:36. > :17:41.Still to come, as the UK be supped security, we will speak to a

:17:42. > :17:55.counterterror advisor. A manhunt is under way for one

:17:56. > :17:58.of the key suspects of the Paris terror attacks in

:17:59. > :18:01.which 129 people were killed. Police are searching

:18:02. > :18:04.for Brussels-born 26-year-old It's emerged that he was questioned

:18:05. > :18:07.in the hours afterwards Two more of the attackers have

:18:08. > :18:12.been named this morning. One was Samy Amimour,

:18:13. > :18:16.he was born in France, and the authorities were already

:18:17. > :18:20.looking for him after he broke bail in 2013 on terror-related charges,

:18:21. > :18:23.and Ahmad Al Mohammad, a Syrian French police have carried out more

:18:24. > :18:39.than 150 raids across They seized what they described as

:18:40. > :18:41.an arsenal of weapons including a rocket launcher.

:18:42. > :18:46.24 people have been detained and 38 weapons have been seized.

:18:47. > :18:48.In the last few minutes the French Interior Minister gave

:18:49. > :18:59.We found a number of military uniforms and rocket launchers.

:19:00. > :19:02.France has hit back against the Islamic State militant

:19:03. > :19:04.group in response to the Paris attacks, launching air strikes

:19:05. > :19:06.against their stronghold in the Syrian city of Raqqa.

:19:07. > :19:09.The defence ministry said 20 bombs were dropped in the raid overnight

:19:10. > :19:11.hitting targets including a command centre, a munitions depot

:19:12. > :19:19.Islamic State have claimed there were no casualties as a result of

:19:20. > :19:22.the strikes. It's emerged that Britain prevented

:19:23. > :19:24.an attack on the UK last month, It comes as more money is to be

:19:25. > :19:29.made available for the security David Cameron says

:19:30. > :19:32.an extra 1900 officers would help in what he called a generational

:19:33. > :19:34.struggle against extremism. The Prime Minister also told

:19:35. > :19:36.the Today programme that Britain should consider also joining air

:19:37. > :19:49.strikes on Syria. I support the action in Syria. We

:19:50. > :19:53.are part of the enablers for that. It is happening anyway. The question

:19:54. > :19:56.is whether we should go further and join that action. I have always said

:19:57. > :20:04.that I think it is sensible that we should. Isil do not recognise a

:20:05. > :20:07.border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we but I need to

:20:08. > :20:11.build the argument, take it to Parliament and convince more

:20:12. > :20:13.people. We won't hold that vote unless we can see that Parliament

:20:14. > :20:16.would endorse more action. A 16-year-old has been arrested

:20:17. > :20:18.on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked

:20:19. > :20:21.in East London. The officer was stabbed

:20:22. > :20:23.in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour

:20:24. > :20:25.in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said the constable is

:20:26. > :20:28.in a serious but stable condition. Around 60 flood warnings remain

:20:29. > :20:33.in place across Britain this morning, but the most serious risk

:20:34. > :20:35.is believed to have passed. Torrential rain over the weekend has

:20:36. > :20:38.caused flooding in parts of Cumbria, The French national team travel to

:20:39. > :20:49.England today after turning down an offer to withdraw from

:20:50. > :20:51.tomorrow's friendly at Wembley, Like many sports stadiums

:20:52. > :20:55.around the world, the Wembley arch will be lit up

:20:56. > :20:58.in the colours of the French flag. Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg beat

:20:59. > :21:04.his team mate Lewis Hamilton for the second time in a row,

:21:05. > :21:10.winning the Brazilian Grand Prix. That secures Nico Rosberg's second

:21:11. > :21:17.place in the drivers championship. Andy Murray begins his ATP World

:21:18. > :21:20.Finals campaign later today. Murray hasn't had the ideal

:21:21. > :21:24.preparation for this event. The world number two is also looking

:21:25. > :21:27.ahead to the Davis Cup final against Belgium

:21:28. > :21:42.and faced the challenge of having to That is all the sport. Stories of

:21:43. > :21:47.people who managed to survive the attacks in Paris have emerged. We

:21:48. > :21:53.are joined now by a woman from Perth who survived the Bataclan attack.

:21:54. > :21:58.How are you? Shaky and jumpy but glad to be home. Tell us where you

:21:59. > :22:03.were in that venue when you heard the shooting began. We were right at

:22:04. > :22:08.the very front, to the left of the state, at the end of the barrier.

:22:09. > :22:13.What did you think was happening when you first heard the sounds? I

:22:14. > :22:19.knew it was gunfire, I knew we were under attack. Did you? I think a lot

:22:20. > :22:24.of people thought it was part of the stage show, that it was fireworks. I

:22:25. > :22:30.didn't feel like that. I knew it was a gun going off. What did you do? I

:22:31. > :22:35.looked over and I saw bullets hitting the bottom of the stage. My

:22:36. > :22:47.friend sort of smiled and looked like a lot of people were doing in

:22:48. > :22:49.the confusion. Instantly there was a second blast of bullets. At this

:22:50. > :22:51.point the band looked very confused. People started grasping and they

:22:52. > :22:57.automatically ducked down. I said to Christine, that is gunfire, run, get

:22:58. > :23:02.out of here, and we just ran. Where did you head to? We were about ten

:23:03. > :23:06.feet away from the exit, and if we had gone left, that exit would have

:23:07. > :23:13.taken us out into the street. We went right, into the backstage area,

:23:14. > :23:20.which is a maze of different rooms. And you ended up where? First of all

:23:21. > :23:24.we ran into this larger room. It looked like an equipment room. There

:23:25. > :23:29.was a little alcove and we thought, if we get our shoes off, we can run

:23:30. > :23:33.quicker. We had boots on and we were trying to get them off. We were in

:23:34. > :23:38.this little alcove and there was another door. We tried it and it was

:23:39. > :23:51.a door to a cupboard. There was another one we tried that was locked

:23:52. > :23:55.and the third one we ran down a couple of stairs, we tried that door

:23:56. > :23:57.and it opened and we ran in. It was the seller. We realised we were

:23:58. > :24:01.trapped. Could you hear what was going on in the menu above you? Oh,

:24:02. > :24:05.yes. It was just stampede and screaming and gunfire. You did not

:24:06. > :24:09.know if you had got to a place of safety because you did not know

:24:10. > :24:15.where the gunmen would go after that. No. Nothing felt safe at that

:24:16. > :24:20.moment in time. We went to run back out of the room but it was silly to

:24:21. > :24:32.stay in there, we were trapped, get out. As we went to run out, the door

:24:33. > :24:34.swung open and two other guys came running in. We shouted no, and we

:24:35. > :24:37.realised they were in the same situation as ours. They just shut

:24:38. > :24:40.the door. The room had one of those automatic sensor lights that just

:24:41. > :24:44.kept flickering on and off and we could not get it to go out. We

:24:45. > :24:48.thought we were going to have to smash it with our shoes or

:24:49. > :24:53.something. One of the Italian guys managed to get it off and we just

:24:54. > :24:57.ran to the very back of the seller and we crammed ourselves into the

:24:58. > :25:04.smallest space. We just waited in darkness. As you said, when that

:25:05. > :25:08.door open and you either shouted or thought no, for that second you

:25:09. > :25:21.thought potentially they were gunmen? Yes. Wow will stop -- wow.

:25:22. > :25:27.And how long were you in that cellar for crouched against the back wall?

:25:28. > :25:34.We did not get out until 1am. How did you know to get out? Did

:25:35. > :25:38.somebody come and find you? We heard somebody speaking in English, are

:25:39. > :25:42.you the police? Really the police? They confirmed they were. We don't

:25:43. > :25:46.know where that person was hiding but it was close to us. Then the

:25:47. > :25:56.Italian guys, who could speak very good French, told them that we were

:25:57. > :26:00.there, please get this out, two men and two women. When you are merged,

:26:01. > :26:06.could you see into the main gate area? No. They completely surrounded

:26:07. > :26:12.us and told us not to look down and to keep looking forward and we did

:26:13. > :26:15.not need to see anything. Obviously you do look down. We were shaking

:26:16. > :26:20.and we were looking where our feet were going and there was just blood

:26:21. > :26:26.everywhere. We knew that people were very injured very close to where we

:26:27. > :26:31.had been hiding. How do you reflect on what happened and the fact that

:26:32. > :26:38.you managed to escape? I feel a little bit guilty. You know... There

:26:39. > :26:42.were only four of us in that room. There was another room on the other

:26:43. > :26:47.side. It was similar to ours and there were 25 people crammed into it

:26:48. > :26:51.and luckily they all managed to escape as well after two hours.

:26:52. > :26:57.Worth their people out there that could have been in the room with us?

:26:58. > :27:02.-- could there have been people out there? It is every man for himself

:27:03. > :27:05.at that point. We had to be so quiet and we could not move. If anyone of

:27:06. > :27:13.us had moved we were potentially getting four people killed. Yes. And

:27:14. > :27:18.what do you think towards the men who did this? I mean, it is just the

:27:19. > :27:23.most cowardly thing to do, to walk in and shoot people in the back.

:27:24. > :27:29.That is what they did. They don't discriminate. There were people of

:27:30. > :27:35.all religions in that building. All races, all having a good time,

:27:36. > :27:41.uniting together in music. That is the last thing that you expect to

:27:42. > :27:44.happen to you. Does it make you think any differently about the

:27:45. > :27:53.weight you will... I think we are losing the connection but I will

:27:54. > :27:58.allow -- plough on. Does it make you think differently about the way you

:27:59. > :28:03.will live the rest of your life or is it too soon to think like that?

:28:04. > :28:06.It will certainly make you conscious. I don't think you can

:28:07. > :28:09.ever be as carefree again. We were walking down the street the other

:28:10. > :28:14.day and a guy made a sudden hand movement and we jumped out of our

:28:15. > :28:18.skin. It will take a while to get over loud noises. I have seen the

:28:19. > :28:32.footage of when the gunfire opened, when it all started, and that

:28:33. > :28:35.just... That scared me. I cast again, it was like reliving it. We

:28:36. > :28:38.have to get back to being normal. I don't think anyone is safe again but

:28:39. > :28:44.we can't have any fear. Thank you so much. I am really grateful for your

:28:45. > :28:51.time. She said that you have to get on with things but for her she will

:28:52. > :28:57.be less carefree. David Cameron has said today that he his prepared to

:28:58. > :29:00.make compromises with Russia in order to defeat the so-called

:29:01. > :29:05.Islamic State and find a political solution to the civil war in Syria.

:29:06. > :29:11.He has been speaking on the radio for Today programme. Of course we

:29:12. > :29:15.are using our military power in Iraqi, against Isil, and they have

:29:16. > :29:20.lost about 25% of the territory that they held. We are also using our

:29:21. > :29:24.hard military power to stop in their tracks the threats to this country,

:29:25. > :29:31.and we did with Hussein and indeed helping the Americans with so-called

:29:32. > :29:35.Jihadi John, who were all in Syria. On the issue of going further, I

:29:36. > :29:40.support the action in Syria. We are part of the enablers for that. It is

:29:41. > :29:44.happening anyway. The question is should we go further and join that

:29:45. > :29:48.action? I have always said that I think it is sensible that we should.

:29:49. > :29:53.Isil don't recognise a border between Iraq and Syria and neither

:29:54. > :29:58.should we. I need to build the Osmond, take it to Parliament and

:29:59. > :30:01.convince more people. We will not hold that vote unless we can see

:30:02. > :30:06.that Parliament would endorse that action because to fail on this would

:30:07. > :30:09.be damaging. It is not a question of damaging the Government. It is a

:30:10. > :30:14.question of damaging our country and its position in the world. I will

:30:15. > :30:18.build the case but in the end Parliament must decide. David

:30:19. > :30:22.Cameron is meeting President Putin at the G20 summit in Turkey today.

:30:23. > :30:29.In the last few moments he has told a press conference that they have

:30:30. > :30:36.agreed important steps to cut off terrorist financing and counter

:30:37. > :30:41.extremism ideologies. We will hear more from that press conference on

:30:42. > :30:46.BBC News. MI5 and MI6 and GCHQ will also get more funding to recruit

:30:47. > :30:54.nearly 2000 extra officers. David Cameron has urged President Putin to

:30:55. > :30:58.work with the international community in Syria. Let's talk to

:30:59. > :31:03.Liam Fox, former defence secretary, who wants Britain to take part in

:31:04. > :31:07.air strikes against Syria. Also with me is Yasmin Qureshi, who believes

:31:08. > :31:12.air strikes are not necessarily the answer. We also have two security

:31:13. > :31:16.experts, Chris Phillips from a police unit that supports the

:31:17. > :31:20.counterterrorism strategy of the Government, and Simon Trundle, a

:31:21. > :31:26.terrorism advisor. Welcome to all of you.

:31:27. > :31:35.Is Britain at War with Islamic State? I have been reticent about

:31:36. > :31:38.this term, war on terror, because it is suggesting it is finite and it

:31:39. > :31:46.suggests you can win a war on terror. I described in my book that

:31:47. > :31:53.we lived with the fear of the IRA, resort bombings, we saw what

:31:54. > :31:56.happened in Hyde Park, these are not new in terms of a particular

:31:57. > :32:09.phenomenon on, but what we are seeing is a different way it is

:32:10. > :32:14.being perpetrated. You are correct, Britain should have been involved in

:32:15. > :32:20.the air strikes, if they are a threat to the United Kingdom, and we

:32:21. > :32:28.have a way to degrade that threat, we should be taking it. And

:32:29. > :32:31.alongside that, parallel, diplomatic strategy that there is the

:32:32. > :32:37.information space, that is to do with the idle logical -- ideological

:32:38. > :32:44.battle, dealing with that side of things, then there is the physical

:32:45. > :32:51.battle space, and I think there will be a growing question as to whether

:32:52. > :32:57.the international coalition is working. They do have a territory

:32:58. > :33:04.they are operating from that needs to be denied to them. Bearing in

:33:05. > :33:09.mind what we've seen at the weekend, why are you still against air

:33:10. > :33:16.strikes against Islamic State in Syria? At the Foreign Affairs Select

:33:17. > :33:22.Committee we had an enquiry into this and we published a report.

:33:23. > :33:29.Talking to the experts on the ground and people who know what is

:33:30. > :33:39.happening in Syria and Iraq, for months we have been doing strikes,

:33:40. > :33:51.bombing in Iraq and Syria. Britain has not been bombing Syria. I don't

:33:52. > :33:57.have a problem with bombing the people who carry out these actions

:33:58. > :34:08.but the question is what we will achieve at the end of it. We have

:34:09. > :34:14.been bombing for months on end. But Isis is becoming stronger and one of

:34:15. > :34:19.the reasons is because President Assad needs to be dealt with as

:34:20. > :34:27.well, he is barrel bombing, he is killing, most of the people fleeing

:34:28. > :34:33.from Syria are fleeing from President Assad. Until we deal with

:34:34. > :34:49.him, and we come with a proper solution. Some are suggesting air

:34:50. > :35:05.strikes as a panacea. It is not. A lot of people need to concentrate

:35:06. > :35:09.their minds on this. You need to stop people joining them and stop

:35:10. > :35:14.giving them a lot of publicity and allowing them to go on the Internet

:35:15. > :35:19.and put out horrific things that they are doing which is trying to

:35:20. > :35:24.frighten people. Nearly 2000 security and intelligence jobs

:35:25. > :35:31.created. How much difference will that make? I feel guilty about

:35:32. > :35:37.putting a negative to positive because it is a good thing, but

:35:38. > :35:41.three years ago we had them in place and the security services have

:35:42. > :35:46.reduced the number of people. Back up to the capacity we had? We need

:35:47. > :35:51.to be careful about knee jerk reactions. We need these people all

:35:52. > :35:54.the time. Not just after an attack. It takes time to train these people

:35:55. > :35:59.and get them in a position where they can do their job properly. How

:36:00. > :36:08.prepared is the UK for Paris style attack? A lot of work has been done

:36:09. > :36:12.by the security services in preparation for this attack. It is

:36:13. > :36:16.dependent on intelligence. Hopefully you detect the attack before it

:36:17. > :36:23.takes place you can respond after the attack by rounding up

:36:24. > :36:28.supporters. You will never be prepared for every attack. They will

:36:29. > :36:33.have some success in terms of terrorism like Paris because it is a

:36:34. > :36:40.very low technology attack. It is men with weapons prodding through

:36:41. > :36:47.the streets. You cannot respond quick enough. What should citizens

:36:48. > :36:55.do if they find themselves in that scenario? If you hear something

:36:56. > :37:12.unusual, move away as quickly as possible. I'm advising people. If an

:37:13. > :37:21.attack starts off, close down your own entrance, so they are no longer

:37:22. > :37:31.a target. In terms of the French bombing, they destroyed a training

:37:32. > :37:37.camp and the munitions base, should Britain be joining in? I think we

:37:38. > :37:41.should show solidarity and join in, it is absurd that we are attacking

:37:42. > :37:48.them on one side of a nonexistent border but not on the other side. I

:37:49. > :37:54.think it is part of how we deal with them. Would make Britain more of a

:37:55. > :37:58.terrorist target? This is the mistake people make, these people

:37:59. > :38:04.hate us because of who we are, not because of what we do. What they

:38:05. > :38:12.said about France is, because of the intervention in Syria, that was a

:38:13. > :38:19.target. What about places that have been targets before? This sort of

:38:20. > :38:26.justification does not watch. These people have a very vicious ideology

:38:27. > :38:31.that is married to a religious fundamentalism and we must not allow

:38:32. > :38:39.the excuse to be made that it is our fault. You disagree? I agree with

:38:40. > :38:43.the fact it is not a justification, but I think it is a very simple

:38:44. > :38:53.thing to say that it is because they hate our way of life. Whenever these

:38:54. > :39:07.things happen, whether in London or Paris, these people always say, they

:39:08. > :39:12.give their explanation, if you think about all this terrorism that has

:39:13. > :39:16.been happening in the last number of years in the Middle East, most of

:39:17. > :39:19.the people who have died have been Muslim people. Hundreds and

:39:20. > :39:32.thousands of them have died. The issue here is, they say it is our

:39:33. > :39:33.intervention. The bombers of the London Underground were

:39:34. > :39:40.third-generation British. It was not someone else's country. We need to

:39:41. > :39:47.understand why jihadists are jihadists. They hate our values, our

:39:48. > :39:51.history, who we are as a country. They are using a perverse form of

:39:52. > :39:57.Islam to justify this and it has happened before in interventions.

:39:58. > :40:04.September the 11th in New York happened before there was any

:40:05. > :40:12.American intervention. We must understand and not make excuses. I

:40:13. > :40:15.want to bring viewers this breaking news being reported by Reuters,

:40:16. > :40:23.Belgian police have arrested the wanted suspect, Salah Abdeslam. This

:40:24. > :40:27.is the French national who was actually stopped and questioned

:40:28. > :40:39.after the attacks on Friday night, but the French police stopped him on

:40:40. > :40:50.the border and let him go. Thank you for coming on the programme, all of

:40:51. > :40:55.you. Surely these pictures of people gathering to observe a minute's

:40:56. > :41:00.silence to honour the victims of the attacks.

:41:01. > :41:10.Francois Hollande will lead the tributes in France in recognition of

:41:11. > :41:18.the many who lost their lives. People gathering across France to

:41:19. > :41:33.pay tribute and these images show you the Place de la Republique, the

:41:34. > :41:57.main gathering point. This is the silence in London.

:41:58. > :42:05.The Minister would like to thank you for your solidarity and solidarity

:42:06. > :42:12.of the British government is very important. That is the French

:42:13. > :42:16.embassy. In Trafalgar Square people are beginning to gather as well.

:42:17. > :42:29.Floral tributes have been laid as you can see. Bringing you that use

:42:30. > :42:38.again, being reported that Belgian police have arrested the wanted

:42:39. > :42:45.suspect, Salah Abdeslam. Back to Ben Brown in Paris.