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:00:08. > :00:09.Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:13.This morning - after the terror in Paris on Friday

:00:14. > :00:16.night - stories of bravery, and acts of heroism continue to emerge.

:00:17. > :00:20.We now know this pregnant woman survived after hanging on a ledge

:00:21. > :00:24.outside the Bataclan theatre - the man who rescued her says he got

:00:25. > :00:32.In the next few minutes we'll bring you more exceptional stories

:00:33. > :01:08.D a safe house that they believe has been used. In the last couple of

:01:09. > :01:14.minutes, Russia confirms that a bomb caused the Egypt plane crash that

:01:15. > :01:17.killed 224 people last month after traces of explosives are found on

:01:18. > :01:21.the debris. President Putin has promised to find the perpetrators in

:01:22. > :01:23.every corner of the planet, he says, and punish them. We'll have all the

:01:24. > :01:29.details. Also on the programme -

:01:30. > :01:32.news of the world's most extensive This injured fire-fighter was given

:01:33. > :01:37.this man's scalp, ears And - The actor Charlie Sheen - who

:01:38. > :01:53.claims to have slept with thousands of women - is expected to announce

:01:54. > :01:57.he is HIV positive on US television. Hello, welcome to the programme,

:01:58. > :02:13.we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News Throughout the morning we'll keep

:02:14. > :02:18.you up to date with events in Paris and Brussels; here, we're also

:02:19. > :02:24.expecting the chancellor George Osborne to warn in a speech around

:02:25. > :02:28.1030 that Islamist extremists could launch cyber attacks on British

:02:29. > :02:56.banks to air traffic control. He'll talk about cyber attacks on

:02:57. > :02:58.possibly air traffic control and banks.

:02:59. > :03:01.Throughout the programme let us know what you

:03:02. > :03:03.think about the way Britain, France, Russia are dealing with the group

:03:04. > :03:08.You can watch the programme online wherever you

:03:09. > :03:11.are via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/Victoria.

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:03:15. > :03:17.by going to add topics and searching Victoria Derbyshire.

:03:18. > :03:20."I desperately want people to remain positive and not turn to hate.

:03:21. > :03:23.I don't want revenge, no-one should want more revenge".

:03:24. > :03:28.The words of one of the survivors of France's deadly terror attack

:03:29. > :03:33.Thomas Tran Dinh was at the Bataclan venue watching

:03:34. > :03:37.his favourite heavy metal group when the gunmen opened fire.

:03:38. > :03:40.He had to run over dead bodies to escape.

:03:41. > :03:53.Thomas, thank you very much for talking to us this morning, we do

:03:54. > :03:56.appreciate your time. I know you have a really positive message you

:03:57. > :04:00.want to give to the British audience here which we absolutely want to

:04:01. > :04:04.hear, but I wonder if first of all I could ask you about where you were

:04:05. > :04:17.in the venue when you heard the shots being fired? Yes, hello. First

:04:18. > :04:27.of all, it's not a heavy metal band, it's just a rock band that is - you

:04:28. > :04:32.should check out why they are called their names, because it would be

:04:33. > :04:37.like basically the beatings of hip-hop or the Rolling Stones of pop

:04:38. > :04:44.music. But anyway, it's important because it's a really funny band and

:04:45. > :04:51.a really good mood is laughing and actually, I saw them in April and I

:04:52. > :05:04.was really excited because I convinced a lot of friends to go

:05:05. > :05:12.with me. They are all alive so I don't have to live with any guilty

:05:13. > :05:19.if something happened. -- any guilt. I was actually at the front row of

:05:20. > :05:23.the venue because I heard my favourite song at some point and I

:05:24. > :05:36.wanted to be at the front row. My friend was there so I was hugging

:05:37. > :05:42.him. My band member was there too, we are in a band, it was the band's

:05:43. > :05:50.first night out. So I was at the front row for that song which chorus

:05:51. > :05:55.says "save me, you've got to save me", so that makes some strange

:05:56. > :06:07.meaning right now. So I was at the front row so they started... There

:06:08. > :06:11.was a Sound and there were some gun shots but at the time we didn't know

:06:12. > :06:17.it was gun shots. Me and my friend just thought it was the drummer who

:06:18. > :06:21.messed up, you know, it sounded like the drummer messed up and we looked

:06:22. > :06:29.at the band and they looked surprised too so we knew that it

:06:30. > :06:39.wasn't the drummer. People started to push. We lay down on the ground.

:06:40. > :06:48.I didn't know much and, at some point, I don't know, but they put

:06:49. > :06:58.the lights back on and we started to see people in blood and they were

:06:59. > :07:05.still shooting. I don't know. I think it was maybe 15 minutes, maybe

:07:06. > :07:10.less, I don't know. But they continuously shot at us so... We

:07:11. > :07:24.were lying down there. I know the guy who was next to me,

:07:25. > :07:30.he got shot in the leg. It was such a good mood of the concert, please

:07:31. > :07:34.check them out because it's really funny music and that album is

:07:35. > :07:40.engraved in our hearts now, but yes...

:07:41. > :07:47.And he just smile at me and laughed and said "damn, I'm going to miss

:07:48. > :07:53.this Sunday's Foo Fighters concert". Did he really? Yes, we laughed

:07:54. > :07:58.together. He didn't say damn, he said some Frenchier words, but

:07:59. > :08:02.anyway... LAUGHTER

:08:03. > :08:06.And we laughed. He made it out alive, it's a small world and he's a

:08:07. > :08:11.friend of a friend and I'm also waiting for him to get in touch and

:08:12. > :08:16.recover. We are all so close to each other because we were so close to

:08:17. > :08:22.death. You know, people started to... My friend was... He didn't

:08:23. > :08:28.remember that, but we were together hugging each other before, so he was

:08:29. > :08:37.I think nervously smiling but he told me I looked desperate so I

:08:38. > :08:48.don't know... Because his smile gave me the courage to run away. I was

:08:49. > :08:54.waiting for an opportunity to try to run because you don't see it now but

:08:55. > :09:00.I'm really tall, two metres tall, so I play video games too and I know

:09:01. > :09:14.that I can, you cannot dodge a bullet and I have a really little

:09:15. > :09:19.chance to survive. My friend at some point, he ran away and, you know, I

:09:20. > :09:24.thought, I need to do that too. I couldn't see anything because I was

:09:25. > :09:28.lying on the ground and I didn't want to stick my head out because,

:09:29. > :09:34.you know, you never know, right, if you stick your head out they might

:09:35. > :09:42.shoot you. I just didn't know. I heard some people say, they are

:09:43. > :09:47.going upstairs. I thought, if they are upstairs, they are going to just

:09:48. > :09:54.shoot us from above and we are all going to die.

:09:55. > :09:59.So that is the only moment I took my head out and there was no-one. I was

:10:00. > :10:06.close to the stage because I was in the front row. So that song really

:10:07. > :10:18.saved my life, you know, and the chorus is "save me", so I started to

:10:19. > :10:24.run and maybe it took five seconds, but there was a lot of bodies

:10:25. > :10:32.drenched in blood. So they shot the people who tried to escape. So, you

:10:33. > :10:37.know, if I made my move earlier, I would be dead; I would. Here

:10:38. > :10:41.speaking with you now. If it would be one minute later, I would be dead

:10:42. > :10:50.too. There was some injured people outside too. I just ran, you know, I

:10:51. > :10:58.just ran. That is what is important is, within I was out, my first

:10:59. > :11:03.thought is not even I'm alive, it's just about my loved ones, you know.

:11:04. > :11:07.Thomas, I am so grateful for your time and I'm going to ask you to

:11:08. > :11:11.pause for just a moment and we are going to come right back to you so

:11:12. > :11:16.that we can hear your message of positivity, but I'm told that John

:11:17. > :11:20.Kerry is holding a press conference in Paris right now.

:11:21. > :11:27.We can cross to him and hear what he has to say. . ... Significant steps

:11:28. > :11:31.we believe we can take together in a number of different areas to

:11:32. > :11:37.increase our efforts and be more effective even against Daesh. We

:11:38. > :11:41.already are doing that. President Hollande will be visiting

:11:42. > :11:44.Washington. The Presidents will meet, we'll have further

:11:45. > :11:49.discussions. We are absolutely committed to increasing our efforts

:11:50. > :12:01.in every degree possible and thoughtfully. Carefully. My sense is

:12:02. > :12:08.that everybody understands that with Lebanon's attacks, with what's

:12:09. > :12:15.happened in Egypt, with anchor radio, Turkey, with the attacks now

:12:16. > :12:18.in Paris -- Ankara, we have to step up our efforts to hit them at the

:12:19. > :12:21.core where they are planning these thing, and also obviously to do more

:12:22. > :12:25.on borders and in terms of the movement of people.

:12:26. > :12:32.But the level of cooperation could not be higher. We have agreed even

:12:33. > :12:37.to exchange more information and, I'm convinced that over the course

:12:38. > :12:41.of the next weeks, Daesh will feel even greater pressure. They are

:12:42. > :12:47.feeling it today, they felt it yesterday, they have felt it in the

:12:48. > :12:55.past weeks. We are taking out leaders, we have liberated

:12:56. > :13:00.significant communities, Tikrit, included, three quarters of the

:13:01. > :13:04.border of northern Syria is now under the control, taken away from

:13:05. > :13:09.Daesh. We'll work with Turkey to close the last portion. So there is

:13:10. > :13:15.a clear strategy in place and step by step I'm confident that the

:13:16. > :13:23.momentum will pick up. So I thank you all and particularly again I'm

:13:24. > :13:28.confident that over the next days, Paris, which knows how to rebound,

:13:29. > :13:35.will do so, and I look forward to being back here for the Cup 21 with

:13:36. > :13:41.President Obama and I'll stay for that longer and I think that will be

:13:42. > :13:48.an important statement by the world that no-one will interrupt the

:13:49. > :13:51.business of the global community. Certainly not despicable, cowardly

:13:52. > :13:53.acts of terror. Thank you all very much.

:13:54. > :13:59.Thank you. That's the oust Secretary of State

:14:00. > :14:04.John Kerry speaking live in Paris. Just before we spoke publicly, he

:14:05. > :14:07.talked to staff at the US embassy before meeting the French President,

:14:08. > :14:11.Francois Hollande. He told his staff that Daesh, we know them as

:14:12. > :14:15.so-called Islamic state, Daesh kill people because of who they are and

:14:16. > :14:21.what they believe. You'll have heard him say that he believes anyway that

:14:22. > :14:25.Daesh are feeling the pressure and that those attackers will be hunted

:14:26. > :14:29.down. Anything else live from Paris of

:14:30. > :14:32.course, you will hear it first on the programme. Let me bring you this

:14:33. > :14:38.news as well being reported by Reuters. Egyptian authorities, we

:14:39. > :14:43.are told, are holding two employees of Sharm El-Sheikh Airport suspected

:14:44. > :14:47.of aiding those who planted the bomb on that Russian plane, so two

:14:48. > :14:51.employees of Sharm El-Sheikh Airport are being held by the Egyptian

:14:52. > :14:55.authorities. The pair are suspected of aiding those who planted the bomb

:14:56. > :14:59.on the Russian plane which killed over 200 people and the authorities

:15:00. > :15:02.in Moscow this morning also, just after 9 our time this morning,

:15:03. > :15:07.confirming that it was a bomb that destroyed that plane. President

:15:08. > :15:14.Putin saying that he will hunt down the attackers in every corner of the

:15:15. > :15:20.planet and punish them. Let's continue our conversation with

:15:21. > :15:23.Thomas who was at the Bataclan on Friday evening and who eloquently

:15:24. > :15:28.and poignantly this morning has described the events on Friday, as

:15:29. > :15:32.he experienced them. I wonder what you think when you

:15:33. > :15:37.hear politicians, your own President or the US Secretary of State, John

:15:38. > :15:40.Kerry, and President Putin in fact talking about hunting down the

:15:41. > :15:47.perpetrators, is that the kind of language that you want to hear?

:15:48. > :16:06.I just heard John Kerry right now, I shut myself off from the news these

:16:07. > :16:24.last few days, I have not read anything. Why is that? I was fearing

:16:25. > :16:47.people would seek revenge, but that is not what I need, as a survivor.

:16:48. > :16:52.They were not even there. I can say that because I got out and it took

:16:53. > :17:02.me three hours to know. I was thinking about my friends, I had the

:17:03. > :17:15.chance to live abroad, I had friends everywhere. I thought, I need to

:17:16. > :17:23.take that trip and spend three weeks. I can see on the blackboard

:17:24. > :17:33.behind you it says smile. What does it say underneath? Smile everyday. I

:17:34. > :17:43.broke up with my girlfriend this year, so I put that therefore a

:17:44. > :17:51.reminder. It makes a lot of sense right now. Yes. Thank you for

:17:52. > :18:01.talking to us. I'm going to ask you if you could stay with us. I would

:18:02. > :18:17.like to introduce you to three other people who have survived. They would

:18:18. > :18:30.very much like to talk to you. Can I say one more thing? Please love

:18:31. > :18:39.people. I understand he is easy and primal but we need to be stronger

:18:40. > :18:53.and unite. We need to unite, love each other, and I hope love will

:18:54. > :19:00.prevail. We will speak more in a second. I have a couple of messages

:19:01. > :19:06.for those watching you on British television. Deborah says, my heart

:19:07. > :19:13.is breaking listening to this young man. Brenda says he tells it so

:19:14. > :19:20.real, he is so brave and has brought me to tears. How do you get over

:19:21. > :19:24.such a horrific experience? We will speak more to you in a moment. Thank

:19:25. > :19:27.you for your time. Let's bring you the main news.

:19:28. > :19:30.Russia has said a bomb caused a Russian airliner to crash

:19:31. > :19:32.as it left Sharm El-Sheikh in Egypt, killing 224 people.

:19:33. > :19:39.Traces of explosive have been found in the debris.

:19:40. > :19:46.Egyptian authorities are holding two implies.

:19:47. > :19:57.We will go back like to Paris. The very latest headlines from here,

:19:58. > :20:03.after the attacks which killed 129 people in Paris. A manhunt is

:20:04. > :20:07.continuing today for the key suspect in the attacks, Salah Abdeslam. He

:20:08. > :20:12.is believed to have fled across the border from France back to his

:20:13. > :20:14.native Belgium. French police investigating the attacks have been

:20:15. > :20:22.carrying out more than 100 raids overnight. Meanwhile, the American

:20:23. > :20:29.Secretary of State has been in Paris holding talks with Francois Hollande

:20:30. > :20:33.during his visit, and showing solidarity with France. He described

:20:34. > :20:37.Islamic State as psychopathic monsters and said America stands

:20:38. > :20:46.shoulder to shoulder with the French people. France has been carrying out

:20:47. > :20:54.more air strikes in Syria. Tend to place last night. Francois Hollande

:20:55. > :21:02.has said Isis will be pursued without mercy. Let's bring you the

:21:03. > :21:17.rest of the news. The British Government is announcing

:21:18. > :21:22.extra funding for GCHQ. George Osborne is going to say that

:21:23. > :21:32.everything online is a target from banking to traffic control. Official

:21:33. > :21:42.figures, just released, show the rate of the consumer Price index

:21:43. > :21:45.remained at -0.1% in October. Surgeons in the United States say

:21:46. > :21:52.they have carried out the world's most extensive face transplant. The

:21:53. > :21:59.patient was a volunteer firefighter who suffered severe burns when

:22:00. > :22:03.trying to rescue a woman. They have changed his entire scalp, ears and

:22:04. > :22:09.eyelids. We will bring you more on that in the programme later on. Time

:22:10. > :22:17.for the sport. Football dominates the morning. The eyes of the world

:22:18. > :22:21.will be on Wembley this evening as England take on France. The colours

:22:22. > :22:25.of the Wembley arch will be lit up in the colours of the French flag

:22:26. > :22:34.and Wayne Rooney has said the game will be an act of togetherness. Many

:22:35. > :22:39.of the players will be familiar with the French players as they played

:22:40. > :22:44.together at club level. Originally, this game was preparation for 2016

:22:45. > :22:52.but it is known about the sense of the occasion. The Belgium versus

:22:53. > :22:58.Spain game has been cancelled. The Republic of Ireland will join

:22:59. > :23:01.England, Wales and Northern Ireland in the Euros next summer after

:23:02. > :23:08.beating Bosnia-Herzegovina last night.

:23:09. > :23:12.Before we brought you the headlines, we were having a

:23:13. > :23:23.conversation with Thomas, who was at the Bataclan and told us his story

:23:24. > :23:29.of how he escaped the venue. We can introduce three people who have

:23:30. > :23:36.survived terrorist attacks. Jackie was on the underground when the

:23:37. > :23:46.carriage in front of her exploded during the seven July Bombings. Will

:23:47. > :23:50.Pike was injured during an attack on the title Mahal. And Olivia was

:23:51. > :23:57.caught up in the Tunisian terror attacks. She locked herself in a

:23:58. > :24:02.room for two hours whilst gunfire echoed around her. Thank you for

:24:03. > :24:06.coming on the programme. I know that you were listening intently to what

:24:07. > :24:15.Thomas was saying. Firstly, what do you think about his message of not

:24:16. > :24:22.heating people? I completely agree with Thomas. It is remarkable that,

:24:23. > :24:39.so close to the incident, he is able to articulate that. It is really

:24:40. > :24:48.brave. It was really difficult to listen to. It is massively brave. To

:24:49. > :24:57.be able to have such forgiveness, so soon after it happened, and to be

:24:58. > :25:04.able to spread love, rather than hate, because it is very easy to

:25:05. > :25:10.want to hate in this situation. What would you say to Thomas? Carry On

:25:11. > :25:14.thinking exactly the same things he is thinking. He is obviously quite

:25:15. > :25:21.an incredible soul. To be so fresh and be able to convey a message of

:25:22. > :25:27.love is incredible and I think the fear that he has is knowing that his

:25:28. > :25:32.primal reaction leads to furthering of the aggression and the violence,

:25:33. > :25:39.that is the scary thing. Where do we go from here? Let us spread a

:25:40. > :25:44.message of love, knowing that the actions will be generated by anger.

:25:45. > :25:49.That is the tragedy. Can I ask all of you, what did you first think

:25:50. > :25:59.when you heard about the news from Paris? I was at work, I am a head

:26:00. > :26:07.chef, it was Friday night, needless to say I was running around like

:26:08. > :26:17.mad. I heard about it from my boyfriend. He told me what was going

:26:18. > :26:25.on. Fortunately it was quite late on in the evening. I stopped completely

:26:26. > :26:35.in the kitchen, gave the reigns over at to another chef and took myself

:26:36. > :26:46.out the back, and I dissolved into tears. I was a complete mess. When

:26:47. > :26:50.the plane landed in Britain after Tunisia, I felt safe and I put my

:26:51. > :27:03.feet down and thought I could get home now. Hearing that it is so

:27:04. > :27:17.close, it is not in our country. I've never been so scared. What

:27:18. > :27:25.about you? I was having some drinks with my friend and he looked down at

:27:26. > :27:31.his phone and was just like, oh God, 120 people dead in Paris. I have

:27:32. > :27:37.become really good at managing my emotions but it did hit me quite

:27:38. > :27:42.hard. I did not want to talk about it, because I have had drinks and do

:27:43. > :27:50.not want to start considering that. I went to bed and I turned on the TV

:27:51. > :28:05.show and the first thing started using Mumbai. I ended up writing a

:28:06. > :28:09.poem that helped convey what I was thinking. I hoped that people would

:28:10. > :28:15.be aware of how I was thinking because people who are close to you

:28:16. > :28:19.want to know what we have gone through and that we are a. It is

:28:20. > :28:28.important for me to let them know that. It brought it back, it felt as

:28:29. > :28:35.if it was happening again. Didn't really? I know it is ten years on

:28:36. > :28:48.but for me, it feels as if it happened only three years ago. It

:28:49. > :28:52.really brought it back. It will be the same for many other people. We

:28:53. > :29:03.communicate with each other and we say, are you OK? Support each other.

:29:04. > :29:12.I want to ask you all, perhaps this is more relevant, how you tried to

:29:13. > :29:20.recover from the traumatic experience of being at the heart of

:29:21. > :29:26.a major terrorist attack? Obviously, everybody's situation is different.

:29:27. > :29:32.I was wrapped up with a severe physical injury, that has had

:29:33. > :29:39.caveats, I am in massive amounts of pain, so you focus on that, that

:29:40. > :29:44.takes eight months, there is a lot of crying, you're releasing so much

:29:45. > :29:52.emotion wrapped up in the whole event, attached to the injury. Would

:29:53. > :29:58.you mind explaining the nature of your injuries? I fell three stories

:29:59. > :30:02.trying to escape the building. I cannot walk, will never walk again.

:30:03. > :30:11.It is a classic paraplegic spinal injury. Because it is surface value,

:30:12. > :30:17.people can see me and approach me with sensitivity. I am able to have

:30:18. > :30:22.far more emotionally engaged conversation straightaway. People

:30:23. > :30:27.are always well-intentioned. It means that it is kind of out in the

:30:28. > :30:31.open whereas I just wonder whether or not I would have had that

:30:32. > :30:36.opportunity to be quite so engaged if maybe I had not been injured.

:30:37. > :30:42.Very interesting. What would you say because certainly there are no Overt

:30:43. > :30:52.injuries? Mine were minor by comparison. I healed from the

:30:53. > :30:57.physical injuries but I had post-traumatic stress disorder and

:30:58. > :31:04.it hit me very badly. I had extensive trauma therapy which I do

:31:05. > :31:10.consider saved my life because it's not... You can learn how to manage

:31:11. > :31:21.it but you can't cure its. -- cure it. It may not hit everyone, it may

:31:22. > :31:26.hit people, nobody knows whether it's going to happen to them or not

:31:27. > :31:31.and sometimes it takes years to kick in. Can I ask when it was that you

:31:32. > :31:40.first got back on an underground train in London after the bombings?

:31:41. > :31:47.Two weeks. I Dumb tum I still can't believe that. I can't even... I

:31:48. > :31:55.don't even want to look at a beach right now, I really don't. It wasn't

:31:56. > :32:06.easy. I had no control over anything and I had to get some back. So

:32:07. > :32:15.brave. I don't know that it was brave. Of course it was brave. Brave

:32:16. > :32:19.or stupid. Not even necessarily stupid, but of course it was brave.

:32:20. > :32:22.The thing is, I had to get control of my life back and a big part of

:32:23. > :32:30.that is travelling on the underground, it's how I get to work.

:32:31. > :32:35.I didn't want somebody who I had never met have that kind of power

:32:36. > :32:39.over my life. Yes. So I had to take that back and I had to do it one

:32:40. > :32:45.piece at a time and that was the first piece. A symbolic piece. It

:32:46. > :32:51.was and I fixated on it and I had to do it alone as well. Now, I did it,

:32:52. > :32:56.but then the more I did it, the harder it became and it became that

:32:57. > :33:01.I couldn't then... I had to get off the train and then I had to turn

:33:02. > :33:07.around and go back home. So the journeys became shorter and shorter

:33:08. > :33:11.and then I realised I needed help. Will and Olivia, do you understand

:33:12. > :33:15.that emotion of wanting to regain control, because in a way, the

:33:16. > :33:19.terrorists, the attackers had taken something away from you, and it's

:33:20. > :33:27.about taking it back? Completely actually. I don't know, the aspect

:33:28. > :33:32.of control, it's a reminder, it's a cliche, we are never really in

:33:33. > :33:37.control. But what is it to feel comfortable, safe, trustworthy in

:33:38. > :33:46.the place you're in? I mean, you know, you got back on a train two

:33:47. > :33:51.weeks later because had to and I've been invited back to Mumbai to take

:33:52. > :33:55.part in a documentary. It's not that I'm prepared to face up to it, it's

:33:56. > :34:06.just that I don't need it right now, you know, is that to do with a sense

:34:07. > :34:13.of control or personal safety? There are lots of aspects of 7/7 that you

:34:14. > :34:20.want to leave behind. Yes. I don't think that I'd ever go back to

:34:21. > :34:25.Tunisia, I don't think I ever would. I still, even after all those

:34:26. > :34:30.months, still feel so sorry for the people because it's not their fault.

:34:31. > :34:35.You know, it's a beautiful place, it's so gorgeous. Same with India

:34:36. > :34:38.and the nurses and the people that helped were just apologetic.

:34:39. > :34:42.Everybody was so lovely. They felt embarrassed. I was likes, you don't

:34:43. > :34:46.need to apologise, it's not your fault, but it's so difficult for

:34:47. > :34:50.them now and it's such a shame. I would like to bring Thomas back in.

:34:51. > :34:55.Thomas has been listening to all of you. Thomas, firstly I would like to

:34:56. > :35:01.read some messages, if I may, from members of our British audience.

:35:02. > :35:05.Lynn says on Twitter, how lovely the young survivor of the Paris

:35:06. > :35:09.atrocities is, Thomas, you are a beautiful person. Tanya says, love

:35:10. > :35:15.and strength to dear Thomas. David says, all the best to Thomas in his

:35:16. > :35:19.efforts to deal with this trauma. Katarina, such wisdom in such a

:35:20. > :35:24.young man, incredibly real, honest and moving account. Heather says,

:35:25. > :35:30.interesting that so many of our leaders respond with actions of

:35:31. > :35:35.revenge, but the victims mostly have love in their hearts. Ian has

:35:36. > :35:39.e-mailed to say, I felt like I was listening to John Lennon when

:35:40. > :35:42.listening to Thomas. What a remarkable young Mantom mass is, if

:35:43. > :35:46.I could reach out and hug him, I would. If all those responsible for

:35:47. > :35:51.loss of life took this approach, wouldn't it be a wonderful world,

:35:52. > :35:55.thank you for being brave, Thomas. Sharma says, as a British Muslim,

:35:56. > :35:59.I'm worried for my children, every day we hear of retaliation for the

:36:00. > :36:04.terrible atrocities that took place in Paris. There have been so many

:36:05. > :36:08.cases and each time they have been verbally or physically abused being

:36:09. > :36:12.called terrorists. What Thomas said today is so important, we have to

:36:13. > :36:15.love each other, revenge against innocent Muslim who is 're disgusted

:36:16. > :36:25.by these atrocities is not the answer. And so it goes on. I want to

:36:26. > :36:29.ask you, Thomas, when you hear Will and Jackie and Olivia, less so

:36:30. > :36:32.Olivia because the Tunisia beach attack was so recent talking about

:36:33. > :36:45.trying to recover from what they experienced, what are you thinking?

:36:46. > :36:54.I haven't sought help too much right now. I'm just thinking, thank you

:36:55. > :37:05.for the love and support, I thank you all. I don't know... ... I felt

:37:06. > :37:11.we have been through the same things. I don't really know. I don't

:37:12. > :37:23.know how it's going to be in the next few days and weeks. I don't

:37:24. > :37:33.know. Thomas, where you are now... I'm home, yes. I mean, the state of

:37:34. > :37:40.mind that you're in now... . Oh. The way some of us survivors of 7/7 are

:37:41. > :37:49.still in touch with each other and the way that we got through these

:37:50. > :37:57.early days was minute by minute. Hm. By not thinking about anything

:37:58. > :38:02.beyond what you're doing right now. Just concentrate on the moment and

:38:03. > :38:10.you will find that those moments get longer and longer and you will be

:38:11. > :38:13.able to think, then you'll get through ten minutes, then you'll get

:38:14. > :38:21.through an hour and then it will be a bit longer, but it does take time.

:38:22. > :38:27.But there is a long and hard road, Thomas, I'm still on it, but there

:38:28. > :38:34.are people who know what you're going through and have been there.

:38:35. > :38:40.There is a way forward. Thank you. Hi, Thomas, it's Will, I

:38:41. > :38:50.would just like to say that, everything that you've said so far

:38:51. > :38:57.is just absolutely perfect. I mean, it's not about not having a bad bone

:38:58. > :39:01.in your body, it's not about being, you know, an infallible human being,

:39:02. > :39:05.but just, you know, stay true to what you believe in, because yes,

:39:06. > :39:14.you believe in the right things, man.

:39:15. > :39:24.I actually, you know, I did like you because I couldn't sleep that night

:39:25. > :39:32.and at seven, a beautiful day rose up and I wrote an essay that I

:39:33. > :39:38.wanted to send to my dear one but I just published it publicly and I

:39:39. > :39:49.think that's why the BBC call me too. It helped me to write down. I

:39:50. > :39:52.found a lot of strength in creativity and it's paradoxical in

:39:53. > :40:00.that good things come from bad and we just know this from history and

:40:01. > :40:05.regardless of whether it's a political or personal message, for

:40:06. > :40:08.me, on my personal journey, if I can effect my friends and family around

:40:09. > :40:14.them and let them know that oppression and hatred on my behalf

:40:15. > :40:18.isn't what I want, but a sort of regurgitation of love and happiness

:40:19. > :40:22.in any form and friendship. Yes. Then that really has become quite

:40:23. > :40:26.important. I've become a bit tedious and a bit of a preacher, but, you

:40:27. > :40:38.know, what else is there in some respects? Yes, there's nothing

:40:39. > :40:45.there. I mean, I went to the office yesterday and it was me wanting to

:40:46. > :40:55.see people really. It was a bit overwhelming. You know, let us be

:40:56. > :41:00.simple and love each other. I'm not a hero, I just can't effect people

:41:01. > :41:06.around me, I want to affect them with love and if every single people

:41:07. > :41:10.on this planet does so, we'd be in better shape, you know. Thomas, I

:41:11. > :41:13.want to thank you so much for your time this morning, I really, real hi

:41:14. > :41:16.appreciate it and thank you so much for talking to Jackie, Will and

:41:17. > :41:19.Olivia here, back in London, thank you, and we wish you lots of love

:41:20. > :41:26.and strength, thank you. Thank you all.

:41:27. > :41:30.Bye, Thomas. Bye. Jackie, Will and Olivia, thank you so much for coming

:41:31. > :41:34.on the programme, we really appreciate your time. Some more

:41:35. > :41:37.messages, from Kate, she says, listen to Thomas, love is always

:41:38. > :41:41.stronger than hate, I'm praying for our world, this texter who doesn't

:41:42. > :41:45.leave their name, I whole heartedly appreciate and am in awe of the

:41:46. > :41:50.brave, brave people on your programme this morning. I have

:41:51. > :41:53.suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and recovery is not about

:41:54. > :41:59.wanting revenge. Thomas and your guests are an extraordinary... Wow,

:42:00. > :42:02.look at what he is doing. Thomas is an extraordinary man and his

:42:03. > :42:07.strength and courage are absolutely incredible. Kim texts to say, I wish

:42:08. > :42:11.to send my love, blessings and positive thoughts to all your guests

:42:12. > :42:15.today who've survived the various terrorist attacks. I wish you all

:42:16. > :42:19.the best for positive futures, I want to tell you all that you are

:42:20. > :42:22.special, unique, inspiring and beautiful people and you must never

:42:23. > :42:31.forget that. Thank you all so much.

:42:32. > :42:34.Russia has said a bomb caused a Russian airliner to crash

:42:35. > :42:44.as it left Sharm El-Sheikh in Egypt, killing 224 people.

:42:45. > :42:50.In President Putin has pledged to find those who carried out the

:42:51. > :42:54.attack. Our correspondent jointh joins us now. The jet, it was always

:42:55. > :42:59.suspected that it was brought down by a bomb. We now have information

:43:00. > :43:06.from the Russian Intelligence Services which say that traces of

:43:07. > :43:11.explosion ivingives were found in the wreckage -- explosives. Islamic

:43:12. > :43:13.state, or the group calling itself Islamic state, has already claimed

:43:14. > :43:17.responsibility, so this is now known to be a terrorist attack. The

:43:18. > :43:23.question now, of course, is how that bomb got on board the plane. What

:43:24. > :43:26.security flaws there were at Sharm El-Sheikh airport, whether those

:43:27. > :43:30.flaws might exist in other places. And if so what can be done about it.

:43:31. > :43:34.It's worth remembering that air transport is fundamentally extremely

:43:35. > :43:37.safe and there are stringent safety standards, but in this case, clearly

:43:38. > :43:44.something went wrong and the focus of the investigation now will be to

:43:45. > :43:47.find out what exactly went wrong. In the meantime, Vladimir Putin has

:43:48. > :43:51.made it very clear that his campaign against militants in Syria and

:43:52. > :43:54.particularly Islamic state, will not be relaxed at all. Russia is clearly

:43:55. > :43:59.very angry about what's happened and intends to take the matter further.

:44:00. > :44:02.Thank you very much. We'll bring you the latest news and sport at 10,

:44:03. > :44:07.before that, here is the weather from Matt.

:44:08. > :44:10.Good morning. Heavy winds and rains so far this week and there is more

:44:11. > :44:16.to come. Nasty weather to the end of the day, England and Wales this

:44:17. > :44:20.time, coming from the second named storm of the season. We have had

:44:21. > :44:24.Abigail, now we have got Barney behind me. This is the second named

:44:25. > :44:29.storm. Storms named by the strength of the winds, the strongest on the

:44:30. > :44:38.back edge of this where the isobars are tightly packed. Way ahead of

:44:39. > :44:42.that, we see rain spread in. There are high rivers and saturated

:44:43. > :44:46.grounds in some parts. Rain spreads in across much of Northern Ireland,

:44:47. > :44:49.western England and Wales. The rain across the southernmost areas will

:44:50. > :44:52.push through quickly. An hour or two of rain, maybe a bit longer before

:44:53. > :44:56.drier and brighter conditions develop once again. The rain more

:44:57. > :44:59.prolonged in northern England, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

:45:00. > :45:04.Exactly the areas where we don't need it. Scotland, one of the

:45:05. > :45:09.drivers, brightest conditions that we have got. A bit of sunshine here

:45:10. > :45:11.and there. Temperatures six to eight degrees, but central southern

:45:12. > :45:14.Scotland and Northern Ireland continues to see some rain to end

:45:15. > :45:18.the afternoon, as will the far north of England. Eastern England, into

:45:19. > :45:25.parts of East Anglia and the far south-east, outbreaks of rain and

:45:26. > :45:31.heavy bursts. Pretty mild in the south. At the end of the day the

:45:32. > :45:39.strongest winds push in just after the evening rush hour. The worst of

:45:40. > :45:43.the winds in the Midlands. 70-80mph. Elsewhere, across the southern half,

:45:44. > :45:47.50-60 gusts certainly likely. That will have a big impact later on and

:45:48. > :45:50.into the first part of the night. Certainly if you are on the move,

:45:51. > :45:55.there could be some trees down, power lines down and a bit of damage

:45:56. > :45:59.as well. If you are heading out later, keep up-to-date with your

:46:00. > :46:04.local radio station. The storm system moves out the way

:46:05. > :46:08.tonight, dry for a time and already another one set to push into its

:46:09. > :46:13.position but a bit further north. While much of England and Wales

:46:14. > :46:17.eastern Scotland start dry, western parts of Scotland turns wetter, but

:46:18. > :46:22.really just bursts of rain pushing south and east. The odd are youof

:46:23. > :46:27.thunder and gusty showers to go with that. By the end of the afternoon,

:46:28. > :46:31.it's Northern Ireland and western Scotland with gales maybe which will

:46:32. > :46:34.become severe, slightly less than the winds we'll see through the rest

:46:35. > :46:37.of the today. Thursday and Friday, Scotland sees the worst of the wet

:46:38. > :46:40.weather on Thursday, brighter conditions further south, reverse

:46:41. > :46:43.that around into Friday, but just notice the temperature, Edinburgh

:46:44. > :46:47.down to six and by the end of the week we'll all feel much colder and

:46:48. > :47:00.yes, there is the sign of snow in the forecast. Bye.

:47:01. > :47:06.This morning one of the survivors of the Paris terror attacks -

:47:07. > :47:09.who had to play dead in the Bataclan theatre to survive - tells

:47:10. > :47:12.us he's detemined to stay positive in the wake of the shootings -

:47:13. > :47:31.I would fear people will want hate and revenge, reactions that I can

:47:32. > :47:38.understand but it is not what I need is a survivor. You can see the full

:47:39. > :47:41.interview on our Facebook page. Stories of bravery, and acts of

:47:42. > :47:44.heroism are continuing to emerge. We now know this pregnant woman

:47:45. > :47:47.survived after hanging on a ledge outside the Bataclan theatre -

:47:48. > :48:07.the man who rescued her says he got I am reporting from the heart of

:48:08. > :48:13.Paris, where people have been coming to mourn the dead, laying flowers

:48:14. > :48:20.and leaving messages to show their defiant and they will not leak out

:48:21. > :48:23.by the terrorist. The message was Paris will always be Paris.

:48:24. > :48:25.Also on the programme - news of the world's most extensive

:48:26. > :48:28.This injured firefighter was given this man's scalp, ears

:48:29. > :48:56.We will tell you how the medics did it.

:48:57. > :49:04.The main news: Russia says it was a bomb that brought down an airliner

:49:05. > :49:08.in immediate. Traces of explosive have

:49:09. > :49:11.been found in the debris. Egyptian authorities are holding two

:49:12. > :49:31.implies. Go back to Paris for the latest

:49:32. > :49:32.there. In the French capital, after the attacks...

:49:33. > :49:35.A huge manhunt is still under way for one of the key suspects.

:49:36. > :49:38.Salah Abdeslam is believed to have fled across the border to

:49:39. > :49:43.French police investigating the Paris attacks have carried out

:49:44. > :50:00.The American Secretary of State, John Kerry,

:50:01. > :50:02.is holding talks with the French president, Francois Hollande,

:50:03. > :50:04.during a visit here to Paris, to show solidarity with France.

:50:05. > :50:07.He's described the IS militants as "psychopathic monsters" and said

:50:08. > :50:27.We need to step up our efforts. We need to do more on borders.

:50:28. > :50:29.France has carried out more air strikes against so-called

:50:30. > :50:41.Ten aircraft took part in the raids against the militants'

:50:42. > :50:52.President Hollande has said IS would be pursued without mercy.

:50:53. > :51:01.In the rest of the news, Islamist extremists are planning cyber

:51:02. > :51:09.attacks. Government says anything online is a target, from banking to

:51:10. > :51:15.traffic control. The money for cyber security is being doubled. The

:51:16. > :51:20.latest inflation figures show that the UK is in its longest run of flat

:51:21. > :51:31.or falling prices since records began. We have had negative

:51:32. > :51:41.inflation again. If you look at the price of goods, something even more

:51:42. > :51:46.interesting appears. The price of services has arisen and that has

:51:47. > :51:54.kept it more or less even. That is because of the price of fuel, and

:51:55. > :51:58.there has been an abundance of food. Bumper harvest has meant there is so

:51:59. > :52:11.much wheat, the price of bread has fallen. We have had these lucky

:52:12. > :52:18.harvests. That will not last. The fuel price cannot go down forever.

:52:19. > :52:28.The Bank of England is betting there will be upward pressure. Is negative

:52:29. > :52:40.inflation bad? It can be under certain circumstances. It happened

:52:41. > :52:45.to some event in Japan in the 1990s. What is relevant about that is the

:52:46. > :52:59.debt. What people forget about inflation is what is good about it,

:53:00. > :53:05.the debt becomes more manageable overtime. If you don't have much

:53:06. > :53:19.inflation then the debt hangs around for a longer. There are a few silver

:53:20. > :53:26.linings, the price of alcohol... I am off at the moment! Between

:53:27. > :53:39.September and October, prices dropped by 0.4%. You need to buy

:53:40. > :53:43.fewer euros. Thank you very much. Surgeons in the United States said

:53:44. > :53:49.they had carried out the world's most extensive scalp and face

:53:50. > :53:57.transplant. The patient is a volunteer firefighter. His operation

:53:58. > :54:07.lasted 26 hours and replaced his entire scalp, ears and islets. We

:54:08. > :54:11.will talk more about that later. The Wembley arch will be lit up in the

:54:12. > :54:20.red white and blue of the French flag. Screens inside the ground will

:54:21. > :54:26.show the lyrics of the French national anthem, encouraging people

:54:27. > :54:33.to sing along. The manager says they will represent their nation with

:54:34. > :54:38.pride. It has been a difficult, stressful time but we have been

:54:39. > :54:43.together and each of us has kept up to date with the events. We have

:54:44. > :54:57.shared our grief. We have tried to be professional. Now the time has

:54:58. > :55:01.come to focus on the game and approach it with the dignity and

:55:02. > :55:07.sobriety the situation deserves. France host the European finals and

:55:08. > :55:19.Ireland will be there after beating Presley had to Governor --

:55:20. > :55:30.Bosnia-Herzegovina in Dublin. Brilliant touch at the back post.

:55:31. > :55:37.That is all the sport. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the

:55:38. > :55:41.programme. Over the next hour we will bring you the very latest

:55:42. > :55:45.developing stories in Paris and at 10:30am we are expecting to hear

:55:46. > :55:49.from George Osborne. He is due to announce that funding for cyber

:55:50. > :55:56.security will double to almost ?2 billion per year by 2020. So many of

:55:57. > :56:09.you have been getting in touch about the interview with Thomas. He was in

:56:10. > :56:16.the Bataclan Theatre and spoke poignantly about his experience. Ray

:56:17. > :56:22.says, it was a brave and moving account. Maggie said, what an

:56:23. > :56:29.amazing young man Thomas is. To tell his story takes huge strength. Kate

:56:30. > :56:35.says, please listen to Thomas. Love is always stronger than hate. This

:56:36. > :56:39.person says, I appreciate him, I am in awe of the brave people on your

:56:40. > :56:46.programme this morning. Mark says, Thomas and your other guests talking

:56:47. > :56:51.about the Paris terror attacks, never give up forgiving, it is so

:56:52. > :57:01.important. Lindsay says, people like Thomas and your other guests, it is

:57:02. > :57:08.humbling, I am in due all. What an amazingly sensitive programme. Do

:57:09. > :57:16.keep those coming in. You can subscribe to all the features on the

:57:17. > :57:21.news app. Our correspondent has been in Paris since Saturday and I think

:57:22. > :57:26.what has emerged in the last 24 hours is the number of opportunities

:57:27. > :57:37.the Paris authorities and the Belgian authorities had to stop this

:57:38. > :57:40.attack on Friday. Details are emerging about the various attackers

:57:41. > :57:47.and some of them at least were known at various stages to the

:57:48. > :58:05.authorities. That is a real concern for ordinary people. One of them had

:58:06. > :58:11.been on the radar of the intelligence services in 2012, he

:58:12. > :58:20.was wanted for a terrorist conspiracy. He skipped bail and an

:58:21. > :58:28.arrest warrant was put out for him. Another French citizen behind the

:58:29. > :58:34.attacks was a petty criminal with suspected Islamist links. We will

:58:35. > :58:36.get a report on what we do know about the men who carried out these

:58:37. > :01:09.attacks. That is what we know about the

:01:10. > :01:13.attackers so far. We have heard this morning in fact that French media

:01:14. > :01:16.are reporting police have discovered a safe house they believe was

:01:17. > :01:21.becauseth used by the attackers before Friday night to prepare their

:01:22. > :01:26.attacks in the Bobigny districts in Paris. They have also carried out a

:01:27. > :01:32.huge number of raids again, about 120 raids at various properties

:01:33. > :01:37.across the country overnight and carried out more arrests as their

:01:38. > :01:40.investigation continues. We have been hearing more

:01:41. > :01:44.exceptional stories from survivors and in particular a lot of people

:01:45. > :01:49.want to know who happened to the pregnant woman. Many saw footage on

:01:50. > :01:54.social media and websites, what can you tell us about her? Yes, this was

:01:55. > :01:59.the Bataclan Concert Hall down the road from here where #1r50 0 people

:02:00. > :02:03.had been packed in there watching that American rock band -- 1500

:02:04. > :02:07.people. That is when the gunmen burst in and caused mayhem and

:02:08. > :02:10.terror. People ran for their lives, including this heavily pregnant

:02:11. > :02:16.woman, to escape from the gunfire. She hung on to a ledge outside. But

:02:17. > :02:20.she was pregnant and she was screaming "help, help, I'm pregnant,

:02:21. > :02:25.catch me if I fall", then according to one newspaper here, there was a

:02:26. > :02:29.man called Sebastian who'd also escaped and he said that he saw her

:02:30. > :02:34.as he ran from the gunfire as well. She was begging people down below if

:02:35. > :02:40.they could catch her if she fell. They were about 15 metres from the

:02:41. > :02:45.ground. He says he held on for five minutes and then the pregnant woman,

:02:46. > :02:50.who was exhausted, begged him to help get her back inside and that's

:02:51. > :02:53.what he did. So he did help her very considerably, but the ordeal went on

:02:54. > :02:58.and in fact when he got back in, he said he didn't know where she went

:02:59. > :03:03.afterwards, he went back in and five minutes later, he felt the barrel of

:03:04. > :03:08.a Kalashnikov against his leg and a terrorist yelling "get down from

:03:09. > :03:12.there, lie on the ground". It gives you an indication of the utter

:03:13. > :03:17.terror of that night, Victoria and just how people, as they ran, tried

:03:18. > :03:24.to survive that onslaught, so many bullets flew around. Appalling

:03:25. > :03:30.horror that evening. I asked you yesterday, Ben, about the atmosphere

:03:31. > :03:33.in Paris. You described it as tense. Behind you today, we can see it's

:03:34. > :03:40.much busier. How would you describe it now? It is tense. Let me show you

:03:41. > :03:45.what is going on here because we are in one of the great landmarks really

:03:46. > :03:56.of central Paris. This is where people come in times of pain and

:03:57. > :03:59.trouble. They came here after the Charlie Hebdo killings in and this

:04:00. > :04:07.is where they came for the protests after that. Now, they are leaving

:04:08. > :04:14.messages, some saying Je Suis Paris, you know, I am Parisian, we must go

:04:15. > :04:18.on. Another message is one that means Paris will always be Paris,

:04:19. > :04:22.whatever the terrorists do, however many people they kill and however

:04:23. > :04:25.they attack us. There is nervousness and tension. The President's said,

:04:26. > :04:29.you know, they are at war with terrorism and the Prime Minister

:04:30. > :04:34.here has said heap have to brace themselves for more attacks. I think

:04:35. > :04:39.we can talk to a couple of people who've come here to lay messages and

:04:40. > :04:46.to try to remember the dead. Tell us why you have come here? Je Suis

:04:47. > :04:50.Paris, we have come to see how Paris stay together, in this time of

:04:51. > :04:55.tragedy, we are solid. It's just terrible what happened. We come to

:04:56. > :05:01.pay our respects. Are you at all frightened of coming out on to the

:05:02. > :05:05.streets? No, no, not at all. Can Paris bounce back from this?

:05:06. > :05:11.Definitely, definitely. We cannot fear the terrorists. In Paris, life

:05:12. > :05:14.goes on, life goes on. What did you think after the attacks here that

:05:15. > :05:21.killed so many people, 129 people lost their lives, a lot of young

:05:22. > :05:24.people like you actually? For us, we are ex-pats that live here but we

:05:25. > :05:30.are part of the French culture and people and we come here to show that

:05:31. > :05:33.we are all one, that even though it can be scary, we have to show the

:05:34. > :05:37.terrorists it's not going to stop it, we move on with our lives and we

:05:38. > :05:41.united, we are not going to stop, we are going to continue to live our

:05:42. > :05:46.lives without fear because terrorism doesn't rule us, fear does not rule

:05:47. > :05:49.us and we are Parisians. The attacks on Friday were almost against people

:05:50. > :05:55.having a good time weren't they, people in cafes, at a rock concert,

:05:56. > :06:00.football match? That is what I think the terrorists are trying to do, try

:06:01. > :06:03.to attack places where you would spend your Friday, Saturday night.

:06:04. > :06:07.That is why we have to come out and show them every day why we don't

:06:08. > :06:10.have fear and what they are trying to do will not work. The French

:06:11. > :06:14.Prime Minister's said there could be more attacks and that people should

:06:15. > :06:30.prepare themselves for more - do you think there might be? We have to be

:06:31. > :06:35.prepared. We have to focus on what is important. There's been a lot of

:06:36. > :06:39.solidarity throughout the world. The tri-colour has been shown on Paris

:06:40. > :06:43.buildings. Do you think that's helped? The support around the world

:06:44. > :06:46.has been fantastic. All around Facebook and social media, it's been

:06:47. > :06:50.amazing, the support, and that needs to keep on coming. Thank you so much

:06:51. > :06:55.for talking to us. Good luck. Thank you. That is the message from a lot

:06:56. > :07:00.of the Parisians we have talked to here. Some of them have been

:07:01. > :07:03.nervous. On Saturday, we got here early in the morning off the

:07:04. > :07:08.Eurostar, the streets were almost empty, people afraid to come out of

:07:09. > :07:12.their homes. Now they are coming out here, laying flowers, lighting

:07:13. > :07:18.candles and showing the messages of defiance, Victoria. Ben brown live

:07:19. > :07:22.in Paris, many thanks. France has carried out more raids overnight

:07:23. > :07:31.against so-called Islamic state in Raqqa. The French President has

:07:32. > :07:38.vowed to destroy IS and declared that his country is at war. It comes

:07:39. > :07:42.as the first of a series of flights carrying Syrian refugees from camps

:07:43. > :07:46.to the UK is expected to arrive today. The Government's pledged to

:07:47. > :07:50.take 20,000 Syrians over the next five years. We thought it would be

:07:51. > :07:53.useful to speak to some Syrian nationals about their feelings in

:07:54. > :07:58.the wake of Friday's attacks and get their views on what is happening in

:07:59. > :08:05.their own country under President Assad and under so-called Islamic

:08:06. > :08:16.state. The Reverend has family in Syria and he regularly returns home.

:08:17. > :08:19.Reverend Nadhim Nassar has family in Syria and regularly returns to

:08:20. > :08:26.his home town of Latika Muzna al Naib Fardous Bahbouh.

:08:27. > :08:36.Give us an insight into what is happening under President Assad and

:08:37. > :08:42.Islamic state? It's terrifying living in Syria with the war going

:08:43. > :08:47.on for over five years. We are incredibly sad. We have the same

:08:48. > :08:54.struggle in Syria, the same terror, it's horrifying. We hope to find a

:08:55. > :08:59.solution for the Syria conflict both through getting rid of the

:09:00. > :09:04.extremists and also ending the Assad atrocities. Can you give us a real

:09:05. > :09:08.insight into life for your friends and family back home? Let me start

:09:09. > :09:18.with what Syrian activists did yesterday. They had a protest in a

:09:19. > :09:22.stronghold Isis town to denounce and to show their solidarity with

:09:23. > :09:27.France. OK, so just let's pause on that for a second. So, to have the

:09:28. > :09:32.courage to have such a protest to show solidarity with France in a

:09:33. > :09:37.town which is run by so-called Islamic state, I mean that takes

:09:38. > :09:43.something? That is not the only town that did this. Another heavily bound

:09:44. > :09:48.area by Assad and Russia, have held a candle light vigil for the

:09:49. > :09:52.victims. Syrians are very clear about their enemies. Isis is an

:09:53. > :09:58.enemy but they also know the cause of Isis which is the Assad regime.

:09:59. > :10:03.And if the West want to end Isis, if they want to root Isis down, they

:10:04. > :10:08.have to tackle the disease first. So just explain what you say is that

:10:09. > :10:11.link between President Assad and Isis, how did Isis, how was it born

:10:12. > :10:16.from the way President Assad runs your country? Well, the Assad regime

:10:17. > :10:23.put all the civil society activists in jail and released the extremists.

:10:24. > :10:31.Extremism only grows in the shadows of great aggression. Imagine Paris

:10:32. > :10:35.happening every single day in your country with the world turning your

:10:36. > :10:40.back on you, negotiating with your killer, legitimizing your killer and

:10:41. > :10:47.not even considering the voice of the victims. The words yesterday

:10:48. > :10:55.stood in solidarity for a moment of silence with Paris. Is the world

:10:56. > :11:00.standing in solidarity for Paris, yes. Is it standing in solidarity

:11:01. > :11:05.for Syrians? What do you think, Reverend? To put everything in one

:11:06. > :11:10.corner and to say this is the problem, it's a bit simplistic

:11:11. > :11:14.because the oppositions were also fragmented and they worked with Isis

:11:15. > :11:18.very closely in the beginning and, before they turned against them.

:11:19. > :11:25.That is because Isis and the opposition parties were united

:11:26. > :11:31.against President Assad? I can't agree with that. I disagree. Isis

:11:32. > :11:35.fight the senior rebels. A really good fact - since the Russian

:11:36. > :11:39.aggression started on Syria, Isis gained more ground because Russia is

:11:40. > :11:42.bombing Syrian rebels. OK, but it's been asked by western leaders

:11:43. > :11:50.yesterday in Turkey to stop doing that and we heard from president

:11:51. > :11:53.Putin that he would concentrate his fire power on so-called Islamic

:11:54. > :12:02.state. I was in Iraq also, I just came back from there a couple of

:12:03. > :12:07.weeks ago, and the people who left Mosul were devastated in Iraq, as

:12:08. > :12:13.well as in Syria. The minorities in Syria have been persecuted,

:12:14. > :12:19.displaced and they have been... They are the majorities as well. I'm

:12:20. > :12:26.coming to that. The pain of the minorities is not less than the

:12:27. > :12:35.majority because war is war, war, the victims of war usually is

:12:36. > :12:41.everybody. You were recently in Latakia, how much has it changed?

:12:42. > :12:44.Dramatically. It changed because it tripled in population. Now, for

:12:45. > :12:48.example, schools are overwhelmed. . ... People people are flooding

:12:49. > :12:56.there? Of course. We have a problem with water. Electricity,

:12:57. > :13:03.accommodation. Every hole in the city is occupied by families, so

:13:04. > :13:09.when in a very short time you have tripled your population, the

:13:10. > :13:17.infrastructure doesn't hold. That is where a lot of help is needed.

:13:18. > :13:23.OK. Those who are displaced from within Syria, they are invisible to

:13:24. > :13:29.the world. Everybody concentrates - you yourself said the planes are

:13:30. > :13:33.bringing refugees from the camps - what about the people inside Syria?

:13:34. > :13:38.There are no, for example, minorities in the camps. Not a

:13:39. > :13:44.single Christian exists in the camps around Syria. Either in Jordan,

:13:45. > :13:48.Iraq, or in Turkey or in Lebanon. All the Christians and the

:13:49. > :13:54.minorities are displaced within Syria. What do we do with that? So

:13:55. > :13:59.the problem is far bigger. If we want to tackle the problem of

:14:00. > :14:03.refugees, let's find a political solution for the conflict in Syria.

:14:04. > :14:07.This is when we fight really the problem of refugees. I'm going to

:14:08. > :14:10.pause there, but thank you so much all of you for coming on the

:14:11. > :14:16.programme, thank you. Thank you to you too for your many,

:14:17. > :14:21.many messages regarding Thomas, the Parisian who spoke to us earlier on

:14:22. > :14:25.the problem who told us about surviving what happened at the

:14:26. > :14:29.Bataclan Theatre on Friday evening. Nick on Twitter says, a lovely

:14:30. > :14:34.articulate fella he was, so right, Primevel feelings of revenge after

:14:35. > :14:38.the attacks are not helpful. Susan tweets that Thomas was precious,

:14:39. > :14:43.wise, strong, brave, thank you for your heart rending message of love.

:14:44. > :14:47.We must learn from you. And Imelda tweets, dear Thomas, survivor of the

:14:48. > :14:53.Paris attacks, you say please love people, I hope love prevails, so do

:14:54. > :14:56.I, with my admiration, love. Thank you for those.

:14:57. > :14:59.The actor Charlie Sheen who claims to have slept with thousands

:15:00. > :15:02.of women is expected to announce he is HIV positive on US television.

:15:03. > :15:05.He rose to fame in the 1980s after starring in hit films

:15:06. > :15:19.Now Come on, boy, get your skin on that thing. We ain't got all day.

:15:20. > :15:25.Dig, dig! Somebody once wrote, "hell is the imPope Benedict of reason,"

:15:26. > :15:31.that's what this place feels like. It's hell. I hate it already, it's

:15:32. > :15:34.only been a week. Some God damn week. The hardest thing I've ever

:15:35. > :15:36.done is go on point, three times this week, I don't even know what

:15:37. > :15:42.I'm doing. I'm so tired. In 2011, he was sacked

:15:43. > :15:44.from his starring role in the sitcom Two and a Half Men, with the show's

:15:45. > :15:47.producers accusing him of Joining me now from Hollywood is

:15:48. > :16:05.Showbiz Journalist Jeanne Wolf. Why do we expect this announcement

:16:06. > :16:09.from them? What are we expecting? The whole town is guessing but there

:16:10. > :16:14.have been leaks from the National Enquirer, from people all over the

:16:15. > :16:18.city, that Charlie is going to say that he was declared HIV-positive.

:16:19. > :16:23.We don't know what his demeanour will be, we don't know what his

:16:24. > :16:29.attitude will be, there is talk that he's been on treatment and that his

:16:30. > :16:33.blood is clear of HIV, there are a lot of questions and you've got to

:16:34. > :16:41.understand, Charlie is wild guy, he certainly declared that he was above

:16:42. > :16:45.treatment, unstoppable, that he could have women and prostitutes and

:16:46. > :16:50.drugs and he would be fine. For a lot of people, in a crazy way he was

:16:51. > :16:54.kind of a hero. Other people, they are furious, they think this is a

:16:55. > :17:05.morality tale and Charlie is going to get his. He has been around for a

:17:06. > :17:08.long time. He's part, -- he is part of a Hollywood family. A lot of

:17:09. > :17:16.people love him very much. They remember him as a young guy, they

:17:17. > :17:22.remember his success. This is a shocking disclosure no matter what

:17:23. > :17:25.your lifestyle is. If the announcement is as people expect, I

:17:26. > :17:31.wonder what sort of reaction you will get? I think you'll see a wide

:17:32. > :17:37.range of reactions. Some people will be very angry at his lifestyle and

:17:38. > :17:51.things he has said and done, other people be very sympathetic, you will

:17:52. > :18:00.see some legal action, lawsuits, every bit of speculation. He has got

:18:01. > :18:08.ex-wives, an ex-fiance, he had a long record of acting success and a

:18:09. > :18:25.long record of wild living. Thank you for talking to us. This news is

:18:26. > :18:30.just in. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe has said he has increased the number of

:18:31. > :18:36.armed response vehicles in London by a third. He said there would be a

:18:37. > :18:43.fool team available waiting to respond to any attack like this. He

:18:44. > :18:50.said this would involve increasing the number of firearms trained

:18:51. > :18:59.officers in London by a third. 2000 of London's 32,000 officers are

:19:00. > :19:06.firearms trained. It is not clear when he is going to increase the

:19:07. > :19:11.number but he says he definitely wants to do it at some point. Russia

:19:12. > :19:16.says it was a bond that brought down a Russian airliner in the the Jets,

:19:17. > :19:24.killing 224 people. Traces of explosives have been found in the

:19:25. > :19:31.debris. Reports that the Egyptians have arrested two of the ploys have

:19:32. > :19:35.been denied by authorities there. Ben Brown is in Paris with the

:19:36. > :19:42.latest. A lot of developments this morning. The massive manhunt going

:19:43. > :19:48.on for the terror suspect Salah Abdeslam. He is believed to have

:19:49. > :19:54.fled across the border from France to his native Belgium. French police

:19:55. > :20:01.investigating the attacks have carried out another series of raids,

:20:02. > :20:07.more than 100, and the American Secretary of State is here, he has

:20:08. > :20:15.been holding talks with Francois Hollande and showing solidarity with

:20:16. > :20:31.France. He described Islamic state as psychopathic monsters. I am

:20:32. > :20:43.convinced that Daesh will feel even more pressure. There has been a

:20:44. > :20:50.military response to what happened. French warplanes carried out more

:20:51. > :20:59.air strikes in Syria overnight, particularly the stronghold of the

:21:00. > :21:06.city of Raqqa. Francois ball-on says they will be pursued without mercy.

:21:07. > :21:14.In the rest of the news, Islamist extremists are planning cyber

:21:15. > :21:19.attacks according to George Osborne. The money for cyber security is

:21:20. > :21:27.being doubled to reach ?2 billion per year by 2020. He will speak in

:21:28. > :21:31.the next few minutes or so. The latest inflation figures show that

:21:32. > :21:36.the UK is now in its longest run of flat or falling prices since records

:21:37. > :21:44.began. The supermarket price war and low fuel costs kept inflation

:21:45. > :21:48.unchanged at -0.1% in October. Facing a new future. Surgeons in the

:21:49. > :21:55.United States say they have carried out the world's most extensive scalp

:21:56. > :21:59.and face transplant. The patient, a volunteer firefighter, suffered

:22:00. > :22:03.severe burns as he tried to rescue a woman. His operation lasted 26

:22:04. > :22:14.hours. Medics replaced his entire scalp, ears and eyelids. Times the

:22:15. > :22:21.sport. Here are your sports headlines. Players will represent

:22:22. > :22:29.their country with more pride than ever says Didier Duchamp, the

:22:30. > :22:36.manager of France. It comes four days after the stadium where they

:22:37. > :22:40.played was targeted. The Republic of Ireland have made it to Euro 2016,

:22:41. > :22:46.Jonathan Walters scoring both goals. Andy Murray won his first

:22:47. > :22:54.match at the 80 peter finals, and he next faces Rafael Nadal. -- ATP

:22:55. > :22:57.World Tour Finals. Victory would ensure that he ends the year as

:22:58. > :23:02.world number two for the first time. Michael Vaughan said the side

:23:03. > :23:05.would be celebrating that they will not be facing Mitchell Johnson again

:23:06. > :23:13.after he announced retirement from international cricket at the end of

:23:14. > :23:15.the current season. French police investigating attacks in Paris have

:23:16. > :23:21.carried out more than 100 raids across the country in search of

:23:22. > :23:31.radical jihadists. Efforts are underway to find that key suspect.

:23:32. > :23:42.He is a Belgian national believed to be one of the only ones to have

:23:43. > :23:46.survived. What is the focus? Yes, he is still at large, despite two

:23:47. > :23:51.raids, one here and one in Strasbourg. The raid focused on a

:23:52. > :23:58.house that was known to be linked to people who were already in Syria. It

:23:59. > :24:04.was a house where are woman had gone. Salah Abdeslam was not in the

:24:05. > :24:09.apartment. We thought we'd give you a flavour of where we are. At the

:24:10. > :24:12.back we have the town hall. The mere is in there under considerable

:24:13. > :24:15.pressure at the moment. The Prime Minister and the interior minister

:24:16. > :24:20.pointing to the fact that this is always being linked to terror

:24:21. > :24:25.attacks and plots around Europe. Look at how many satellite trucks

:24:26. > :24:29.are here. Very much the focus of the European media, more and more

:24:30. > :24:38.arriving every day. As we show you around you might not on the face of

:24:39. > :24:48.this think it is a pool community -- think it is not well off. It is the

:24:49. > :24:55.second worst off community in Belgium. They have a particular

:24:56. > :25:02.problem with conservative ideological ideas in the community.

:25:03. > :25:06.The people who are going to Syria are second and third generation. As

:25:07. > :25:11.we spin around you will see that there is a very big media presence.

:25:12. > :25:17.This is about the best-known building in Belgium. The reason for

:25:18. > :25:21.that is that they are up on the first floor, that is the family home

:25:22. > :25:26.of Salah Abdeslam. His mother is in there. His brother, who was picked

:25:27. > :25:33.up on Saturday and interviewed by police but released without charge.

:25:34. > :25:37.He works at the town hall. He came out to speak to as yesterday,

:25:38. > :25:43.saying, the terrible events, the family is very shocked but we have

:25:44. > :25:48.no idea, my mother is grieving because she has lost one son, a

:25:49. > :25:55.brother who blew himself up and her other son is now linked to an

:25:56. > :26:01.international manhunt. People have gone in and out of the door to give

:26:02. > :26:08.condolences to the mother. Obviously very difficult time for the mother.

:26:09. > :26:17.Let's go to GCHQ, the Chancellor is speaking about potential cyber

:26:18. > :26:20.attacks. We must act as one, and as David Cameron said, we will do

:26:21. > :26:23.everything we possibly can to help the French at this moment of

:26:24. > :26:29.national trauma. That includes making available to them the

:26:30. > :26:31.sharpest of our own national capabilities, which includes the

:26:32. > :26:38.skills and capabilities here at GCHQ. Before the dreadful events of

:26:39. > :26:42.the weekend, we'd already indicated that we would be increasing

:26:43. > :26:51.substantially the resources that we dedicate to countering the terrorist

:26:52. > :26:57.threat posed by Islamic State. The Prime Minister has made clear that a

:26:58. > :27:01.further 190 staff will be recruited to keep Britain's safe. This was

:27:02. > :27:06.already going to be an important outcome of the Spending Review that

:27:07. > :27:10.I will announce next week. What has unfolded in Paris has reminded us

:27:11. > :27:14.all that it is a vital one as well. As the threat develops, we will need

:27:15. > :27:25.to make sure that our capabilities developed to match it. Following

:27:26. > :27:29.what happened to the flight two Russia, the payment has announced we

:27:30. > :27:32.will be doubling the amount that we spend on aviation security. The

:27:33. > :27:35.answer is not just more resources but ensuring those who keep us safe

:27:36. > :27:39.have the right legal framework that allows them to do their job while

:27:40. > :27:43.preserving the values and the freedoms which we are so determined

:27:44. > :27:48.to defend. Through the investigatory power bill, the government and

:27:49. > :27:53.parliament will make sure that the security agency and the police have

:27:54. > :28:00.the powers they need to access vital intelligence about the activities of

:28:01. > :28:02.those who wish harm. That the termination to confront threats

:28:03. > :28:10.against our country is at the heart of what you do here at GCHQ -- this

:28:11. > :28:14.determination. To the men and women of GCHQ in this audience I say this,

:28:15. > :28:21.the TV cameras today will not show your faces and the public will never

:28:22. > :28:27.know your names but you are the unsung heroes who never get the

:28:28. > :28:31.recognition you deserve because of the sort of work that you do. But

:28:32. > :28:41.you work day and night to keep us safe and I want to thank you. One of

:28:42. > :28:44.the ways you keep us safe is by tracking terrorist groups and

:28:45. > :28:48.collecting the information we need to stop those attacks. Our

:28:49. > :28:53.intelligence agencies historically disrupt about one terrorist plot

:28:54. > :29:01.every year but this year you have prevented seven. Let me thank you on

:29:02. > :29:08.behalf of the British people. I'll so want to thank those in the

:29:09. > :29:12.audience who are here because your partner is in keeping Britain safe

:29:13. > :29:16.in cyberspace. Not just those from GCHQ but across government, the

:29:17. > :29:23.Armed Forces, academia. This is a shared effort between us, and

:29:24. > :29:31.earlier this year, the Prime Minister asked me to chair the

:29:32. > :29:42.committee on cyber. I see the huge collective effort being used to

:29:43. > :29:46.combat cyber attacks. As Chancellor, I know about the enormous potential

:29:47. > :29:53.for the Internet to drive economic growth. I'm also acutely aware of

:29:54. > :29:59.the risk of cyber attack undermining the confidence on which our economy

:30:00. > :30:04.rests. I know that we cannot afford to build strong cyber defences

:30:05. > :30:09.unless they rest on the solid foundation of sound public finances.

:30:10. > :30:13.Next week, I will present the conclusions of the Spending Review

:30:14. > :30:17.that will deliver those solid foundations. We've already reached

:30:18. > :30:22.provisional agreement with four departments and today I can confirm

:30:23. > :30:29.that we have provisionally settled a further seven Whitehall departments.

:30:30. > :30:34.The Cabinet Office, HM Revenue and Customs, the Scottish, Welsh and

:30:35. > :30:38.Northern Irish offices. This means over half of the Whitehall

:30:39. > :30:42.departments have now reached provisional agreements on their

:30:43. > :30:49.resource budgets. Combined these departments will on average see a

:30:50. > :30:53.reduction in real term spending of 24% by 2019-20, contributing to our

:30:54. > :30:57.economic security and enabling us to spend more on key priorities,

:30:58. > :31:04.priorities that include our national security.

:31:05. > :31:08.I'm very clear that we cannot afford national security without economic

:31:09. > :31:12.security. As we have seen in recent months and weeks, there'll be no

:31:13. > :31:16.economic security Security for our country without national security.

:31:17. > :31:21.Nowhere is that more true than when it comes to cyber.

:31:22. > :31:27.Now, when I was born, the Internet was barely two years old, it was the

:31:28. > :31:32.preserve of academics, used to connect dozens, rather than billions

:31:33. > :31:36.of users. There weren't many at the time who predicted it would

:31:37. > :31:39.transform our world. Today, the Internet's changed our world in

:31:40. > :31:43.countless ways and continues to evolve at a pace that would have

:31:44. > :31:48.stunned even its own pioneers. Every part of the way we live is being

:31:49. > :31:57.touched and reshaped by it. Britain helped create the Internet. One of a

:31:58. > :32:02.long line of British scientists have given us an outsize role in shaping

:32:03. > :32:06.our own digital future. Britain is enriched by the Internet and has

:32:07. > :32:11.embraced the Internet, a far higher proportion of British retail is done

:32:12. > :32:15.online than in any other country in the world. Now, that's an enormous

:32:16. > :32:20.economic and commercial opportunity for our country. When the Internet

:32:21. > :32:25.was first created, it was built on trust. That trust, appropriate

:32:26. > :32:31.inside a community of scholars, is not merited in a world with hostile

:32:32. > :32:36.powers, criminals and terrorists. The Internet's made us richer,

:32:37. > :32:41.freer, connected and informed in ways its founders cannot have dreamt

:32:42. > :32:45.of, but it's also become a Vector of attack, espionage, crime and harm.

:32:46. > :32:53.That's what I want to talk to you about this morning.

:32:54. > :32:57.Government has a duty to protect the public from cyber attack and ensure

:32:58. > :33:01.the public can protect itself in cyberspace. I want to set out how we

:33:02. > :33:06.are fulfilling that duty and I'll explain how we have invested in

:33:07. > :33:10.Britain's cyber security and set out our plan for the next five. The

:33:11. > :33:14.national cyber plan I'm announcing means investing in defending Britain

:33:15. > :33:17.in a cyber age. It's a key part of the Spending

:33:18. > :33:21.Review that I will deliver next week.

:33:22. > :33:26.For the review is all about security.

:33:27. > :33:30.Economic security, national security and the opportunity that comes to a

:33:31. > :33:33.country that provides that kind of security.

:33:34. > :33:39.It's right that we choose to invest in our cyber defences, even at a

:33:40. > :33:42.time when we must cut other budgets. For our country, defending our

:33:43. > :33:47.citizens from hostile powers, criminals or terrorists, the

:33:48. > :33:51.Internet represents a critical access of potential vulnerability

:33:52. > :33:55.from our banks, to our cars, our military to our schools, whatever is

:33:56. > :34:02.online is also a target. We see from this place, every day,

:34:03. > :34:04.the maligned scope of our adversary's goals, their warped

:34:05. > :34:09.sophistication and frenetic activity.

:34:10. > :34:15.The stakes could hardly be higher. If our electricity supply or our air

:34:16. > :34:18.traffic controlor our hospitals were successfully attacked online, the

:34:19. > :34:24.impact could be measured, not just in terms of economic damage, but of

:34:25. > :34:29.lives lost. Isil's murderous brutality has a

:34:30. > :34:33.strong digital element. At a time when so many others are using the

:34:34. > :34:36.Internet to enhance freedom and give expression to liberal values and

:34:37. > :34:44.creativity, they are using it for evil. Let's be clear, Isil are

:34:45. > :34:47.already using the Internet for hideous propaganda purposes, for

:34:48. > :34:52.radicalisation, for operational planning too. They have not so Farc

:34:53. > :34:58.been able to use it to kill people by attacking our infrastructure

:34:59. > :35:01.through cyber attack. They do not yet have that capability, but we

:35:02. > :35:06.know they want it and we know they are doing their best to build it. So

:35:07. > :35:10.when we talk about tackling Isil, that means tackling their cyber

:35:11. > :35:13.threat, as well as the threat of their guns and bombs and their

:35:14. > :35:18.knives. It's one of the many cyber threats

:35:19. > :35:23.we are working to defeat. Getting cyber security right requires new

:35:24. > :35:27.thinking. But certain principles remain true in cyberspace as they

:35:28. > :35:33.are true about security in the physical world. Citizens need to

:35:34. > :35:37.follow basic rules of keeping themselves safe, installing security

:35:38. > :35:41.software, downloading software June dates, using strong passwords.

:35:42. > :35:44.Companies need to protect their own networks and harden themselves

:35:45. > :35:49.against cyber attacks. The starting point must be that every British

:35:50. > :35:52.company is a target, every British network will be attacked and that

:35:53. > :35:57.scriber crime is not something that happens to other people. The

:35:58. > :36:02.Government cannot duck its responsibilities. There are certain

:36:03. > :36:06.things only Government can do in cyberspace, just as in the physical

:36:07. > :36:12.world. Government has a unique ability to aggregate and to educate.

:36:13. > :36:15.Only Government can legislate and regulate, only Government can

:36:16. > :36:19.collect secret intelligence. Government has a duty to protect the

:36:20. > :36:24.country from hostile attack, Government has a duty to protect its

:36:25. > :36:28.citizens and companies from crime. Only Government can defend against

:36:29. > :36:33.the most sophisticated threats, using its sovereign capability. That

:36:34. > :36:38.is exactly what we will do. It is this sovereign capability that

:36:39. > :36:43.brings me here to GCHQ. Through my time in office, I've seen for myself

:36:44. > :36:46.the extraordinary quality of this institution, the dedication, the

:36:47. > :36:52.integrity and ingenuity of its staff and the difference you make to

:36:53. > :36:58.protecting our nation. Coming here as the first Chancellor to give a

:36:59. > :37:03.speech in GCHQ, I'm conscious of the rich institution in our island's

:37:04. > :37:09.story. The father of GCHQ was Winston Churchill. It was his first

:37:10. > :37:13.Lord of the admiralty that he established Room 40, as it was then

:37:14. > :37:16.called, and gave it its charter. It was an operation to decrypt German

:37:17. > :37:21.commune cases during the First World War. A secret held on an

:37:22. > :37:30.extraordinary close hold even within Government.

:37:31. > :37:35.Circulated its intercepts on pieces of paper called flinsies. By 1924,

:37:36. > :37:39.he's been Chancellor of the Exchequer, actually a pretty lousy

:37:40. > :37:43.one! He wrote to the Prime Minister, Stanley Baldwin, saying this; in the

:37:44. > :37:50.years I've been in office since Room 40 began in the autumn of 1914, I've

:37:51. > :37:54.read every one of its flimsies and attach more importance to them as a

:37:55. > :37:59.means to judging policies than any other source of knowledge at the

:38:00. > :38:05.disposal of the state". ". STUDIO: The Chancellor speaking at

:38:06. > :38:09.GCHQ there. Let's talk to Norman Smith what WHO's been listening.

:38:10. > :38:15.What would you draw from that? A couple of interesting things. We

:38:16. > :38:19.think of Isis using the Internet to spread their propaganda to try to

:38:20. > :38:24.radicalise fear. Mr Osborne's fear is that they are trying to use it as

:38:25. > :38:29.much as bombs and Kalashnikovs, they want to wager cyberwar to disrupt

:38:30. > :38:33.our banks and energy supplies, to disrupt our hospitals, and therefore

:38:34. > :38:36.extra cash is being shovelled towards cyber security. The second

:38:37. > :38:40.thing I think is interesting, I don't know if you heard him talking

:38:41. > :38:44.about the agreements he's reached with various spending departments to

:38:45. > :38:47.implement cuts of around 20%. What is interesting is, so many

:38:48. > :38:52.Government departments are having their budgets cut, but the one area

:38:53. > :38:56.not being cut is those involved in antiterrorism. So we have more cash

:38:57. > :39:01.for cyber securities and more spies being recruited, more money for the

:39:02. > :39:06.SAS and you just sense that when it comes to tackling IS, the Government

:39:07. > :39:12.is finding plenty of cash for that. I must ask you about Jeremy Corbyn,

:39:13. > :39:16.in particular his own party's reaction, his own MPs' reaction to

:39:17. > :39:20.his comments about shoot-to-kill. Remind our audience about what he

:39:21. > :39:30.said about shoot-to-kill? That's why I've come here to the committee

:39:31. > :39:34.corridor, it's deserted now but last night Labour MPs were shuffling out

:39:35. > :39:40.here, many shaking is their heads and in particular at his suggestions

:39:41. > :39:45.that the police were allowed to kill terrorists on the streets if they

:39:46. > :39:51.were waging attacks. If you were Prime Minister would you be happy to

:39:52. > :39:55.order people, to order to shoot-to-kill? I'm not happy with

:39:56. > :40:00.the shoot-to-kill policy in general. I think that is quite dangerous and

:40:01. > :40:03.I think can often be counterproductive. I think you have

:40:04. > :40:07.to have security that prevents people firing off weapons where you

:40:08. > :40:11.can. There are various degrees of doing things, as we know, but the

:40:12. > :40:15.idea you end up with a war object streets is not a good thing. Surely

:40:16. > :40:19.you have to work to prevent these things happening that,'s got to be

:40:20. > :40:22.the priority. Labour MPs were utterly appalled at that. Let me

:40:23. > :40:27.give you a flavour of what some of them said. John Mann said, are you

:40:28. > :40:29.telling Labour Party members that if someone is outside with a

:40:30. > :40:33.Kalashnikov, you are not going to shoot them. Another said, when

:40:34. > :40:40.people are getting shot in cafe terraces in Paris, we don't want to

:40:41. > :40:44.be ruminating about shoot-to-cull policies and another MP said I

:40:45. > :40:48.didn't think it could get any worse, there was fury, rather than just a

:40:49. > :40:53.hot rage. They didn't like the fact he wouldn't give them a free vote on

:40:54. > :40:58.air strikes, they were unhappy at his scepticism over using a drone to

:40:59. > :41:02.kill so-called Jihadi John and they were deeply, deeply disturbed by his

:41:03. > :41:08.ties to the Stop the War Coalition. You sense in the aftermath of the

:41:09. > :41:11.Paris atrocities the discontent, the dismay at the leadership of Jeremy

:41:12. > :41:12.Corbyn which is just building and building within the Labour Party.

:41:13. > :41:22.Thank you very much. Before the end of the programme, we

:41:23. > :41:25.wanted to bring you this moving and uplifting conversation between a

:41:26. > :41:28.father and his son in Paris which has been shared thousands and

:41:29. > :42:50.thousands and thousands of times on social media.

:42:51. > :42:57.Oh, my gosh, that is absolutely divine. We have shared that on

:42:58. > :43:01.Twitter and Facebook if you want to share it again or see it yourself.

:43:02. > :43:05.Thank you very much to all of you who've got in touch, particularly

:43:06. > :43:09.about the interview with Thomas who survived the Bataclan massacre on

:43:10. > :43:15.Friday night. More messages from you, Lynn saying "amazing programme

:43:16. > :43:20.today, peace and light to everyone involved", Louisa says, love and

:43:21. > :43:26.forgiveness sounds fine, but if it's your mother, daughter or child shot

:43:27. > :43:32.dead, no". Another viewer says, they kill easily without compassion and

:43:33. > :43:36.they do not feel human emotion. Isis won't stop until we collectively and

:43:37. > :43:40.militarily stop them. Ian says, I didn't see the full interview with

:43:41. > :43:46.Thomas, but listening to him brought tears to my eyes, God bless you

:43:47. > :43:49.young man. LOL says what a wonderful, wise and mature chap,

:43:50. > :43:52.revenge is never the answer. If you want to watch the interview again

:43:53. > :43:58.and the other survivors of previous terrorist attacks, you will be able

:43:59. > :44:00.to find it later on our programme page at www.bbc.co.uk/victoria, see

:44:01. > :44:02.you tomorrow, buy.