:00:00. > :00:00.We can briefly look at some pictures from Paris where the national
:00:00. > :00:00.memorial service is about to get underway.
:00:00. > :00:11.Now on BBC News it's time for the Victoria Derbyshire programme.
:00:12. > :00:22.This is the scene from Paris where a national memorial
:00:23. > :00:25.service is being held for the 130 people who died in the
:00:26. > :00:31.The Labour Party is in turmoil over air strikes in Syria.
:00:32. > :00:33.A warning of resignations from the Shadow Cabinet after Jeremy
:00:34. > :00:36.Corbyn writes to MP's explaining why he won't support greater British
:00:37. > :00:40.One group of influential Syrians tells us they want
:00:41. > :00:43.the government to come up with a proper political solution to
:00:44. > :00:47.Plus the scammers tricking victims who are searching
:00:48. > :01:02.The first thing you think is how could I have been so stupid, sending
:01:03. > :01:06.him money three times. He was pushing for more and when I told him
:01:07. > :01:17.I would not pay again, he became abusive.
:01:18. > :01:20.to the programme, we're on the BBC News Channel
:01:21. > :01:25.At Ten we'll bring you the latest as the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn
:01:26. > :01:28.faces the threat of resignations from his shadow cabinet over his
:01:29. > :01:33.And at nine thirty we'll take you to Paris as the city remembers
:01:34. > :01:36.the 130 people killed in the attacks two weeks ago.
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:01:59. > :02:00.Two people are due to be sentenced today for their part
:02:01. > :02:05.in what is thought to be Britain's biggest ever romance scam.
:02:06. > :02:08.Romance fraud is where one person makes another believe they're
:02:09. > :02:11.in love with them, only to exploit the relationship for money.
:02:12. > :02:20.In this instance, the victim was conned out of
:02:21. > :02:21.one point six million
:02:22. > :02:25.pounds after falling for a man she met on an internet dating site.
:02:26. > :02:28.more than three thousand cases of suspected romance crime in
:02:29. > :02:36.this cost victims more than thirty-two million pounds.
:02:37. > :02:38.But how do scammers go about tricking their victims?
:02:39. > :02:40.BBC reporter Angus Crawford has seen their tactics first-hand,
:02:41. > :02:59.You put up your profile on several dating sites. What do you think of
:03:00. > :03:05.this guy? He says hello beautiful, what does
:03:06. > :03:16.he say about himself? He is introducing the subject of
:03:17. > :03:33.money very quickly. Hello Daniel. How are you? You have
:03:34. > :04:02.a nice voice, wow. With ?50? Hi Daniel, my name is
:04:03. > :04:12.Angus Crawford, I'm from the BBC, we know that you are a scammer.
:04:13. > :04:20.Daniel has put down the phone, he is not an American soldier in Nigeria,
:04:21. > :04:21.is just a scammer trying to get money out of lonely, vulnerable
:04:22. > :04:23.women. Angus Crawford there,
:04:24. > :04:25.exposing an online dating scammer. He told me in the first message that
:04:26. > :04:38.the receiving end of such a scam? He told me in the first message that
:04:39. > :04:45.he was American, living in California.
:04:46. > :04:54.He sounded nice, decent, he sounded like an interesting person that you
:04:55. > :05:01.could talk with. How quickly did you start to enjoy talking to him? My
:05:02. > :05:05.common-sense was telling me that something was not writing this
:05:06. > :05:11.story, he sounded too much like movie character. He supposedly had a
:05:12. > :05:18.son located in Ghana living with a caretaker. When that Sun was calling
:05:19. > :05:25.my phone and he was calling me mum, the fact that I didn't have children
:05:26. > :05:29.but I had always wanted them, in my case that was the game. All of the
:05:30. > :05:34.money requests were revolving around the sun, because the scammer was
:05:35. > :05:40.smart enough to know that if he asked me for money for himself it
:05:41. > :05:45.wouldn't work. Tell me out the money requests? The first one was when the
:05:46. > :05:52.sun was having his birthday. He was cleaning of having an iPad. --
:05:53. > :05:56.dreaming of having an iPad. So yes, no big deal I sent the money. The
:05:57. > :06:01.next request is when the sun had an accident at school, and he injured
:06:02. > :06:06.his head, he needed surgery and they requested money for the surgery.
:06:07. > :06:16.After that, it was nice and smooth for two weeks. And then,
:06:17. > :06:24.the son had got cholera and I was thinking that something was not
:06:25. > :06:33.right. When you finally discovered this was all a lie, what did that do
:06:34. > :06:39.to you? Well, it was not a pleasant feeling. The first thing you think
:06:40. > :06:43.is how could I have been so stupid? After sending him money three
:06:44. > :06:45.times, he was pushing for more and when I told him I would not pay
:06:46. > :06:54.again he became abusive. So just how common is online dating
:06:55. > :07:03.fraud and what can we do to tackle it? With me, is a chief executive of
:07:04. > :07:09.a dating agency and a lady who lost ?8,000. And another man, who is the
:07:10. > :07:16.owner of scams survivors .com. First of all Barry, you lost ?8,000, tell
:07:17. > :07:20.me. I had been widowed for dossiers and I decided with loss of my
:07:21. > :07:26.girlfriends that we would try online dating. -- two of my girlfriends.
:07:27. > :07:31.Quite early on, I came across somebody, similar to what you had
:07:32. > :07:37.seen, was the soldier in Baghdad. He was widowed, his wife had died in a
:07:38. > :07:45.car crash, and he was alone in the world. That triggered that sense of
:07:46. > :07:52.aloneness because mum is my middle name in many ways. He very quickly
:07:53. > :07:57.said, I only want to chat with you, you are the only person that I want
:07:58. > :08:00.to see. He's younger than me and I was very flattered by it and the
:08:01. > :08:07.picture I had, was dropped dead gorgeous. And my friends were
:08:08. > :08:11.saying, trust you Valerie. And then he would tell me when he was going
:08:12. > :08:17.out on mission and I would set up all night to wait for him to e-mail
:08:18. > :08:23.me to say that he was safe. When I drove anywhere, because he's wife
:08:24. > :08:28.died in a car crash I would tell him when I had written that I was safe.
:08:29. > :08:32.This was only about a month when this started to happen, we started
:08:33. > :08:37.to talk about what would happen in the future. At that point, when I
:08:38. > :08:42.had been widowed I had already lost my home and my car because my
:08:43. > :08:46.husband had died of cancer, and we had spent everything to try and find
:08:47. > :08:52.a cure for him. So I kind of had that pattern anyway, he said, it was
:08:53. > :08:59.really classic comedies said, when he came home, we would look to buy a
:09:00. > :09:06.house. Ira member saying, I have very little, I don't have a home
:09:07. > :09:11.very more. He said, I don't mind babe, which I read loved when he
:09:12. > :09:17.called me babe. He said I want us to buy a house. That was that. That is
:09:18. > :09:20.how he built the story, then he started to talk about a fellow
:09:21. > :09:30.officer in the Army who had made some money with this deal, he was
:09:31. > :09:38.weaving you in. What happened was, he told me about this, and I said,
:09:39. > :09:43.beware of being scammed. He actually e-mailed me saying, how could people
:09:44. > :09:46.do such a terrible thing. And ie not back, and I said they came from very
:09:47. > :09:53.poor countries and there was an issue there. It is the same
:09:54. > :10:00.effectively as what we have seen? It is the same story, what we have seen
:10:01. > :10:07.on screen, is intelligent people with triggers, and those triggers
:10:08. > :10:12.are being pressed. It is that sense of targeting and behaviours. The
:10:13. > :10:19.other side of the coin, 10 million people, are dating, they are not all
:10:20. > :10:24.being scammed. That is why we have got to keep it safe precisely for
:10:25. > :10:31.the reasons we are talking about. Wayne is part of a scam support
:10:32. > :10:34.group, is it always easy to spot? It can be but then again it can't.
:10:35. > :10:42.There are certain things that you need to look out for, you can read
:10:43. > :10:46.them on the forums. Are people being caught because of the companies
:10:47. > :10:52.being vigilant or is it always after somebody has been scammed? They
:10:53. > :10:57.usually come to us after they have been scammed, some will feel
:10:58. > :11:03.suspicious, but in most cases it is people who have already been
:11:04. > :11:09.scammed. If it is relatively easy to spot, what are the companies doing?
:11:10. > :11:14.I think there are two things that you have to do, the bit that you
:11:15. > :11:19.cannot see is all of the attempts that are identified or blocked. The
:11:20. > :11:23.first associate member of our association, they do software around
:11:24. > :11:29.online dating and scammed a section. We will be looking at the profile,
:11:30. > :11:35.the messaging, the visual stuff, checking all of those things.
:11:36. > :11:43.Because, we want that, to weed out a bunch of people to try and keep the
:11:44. > :11:48.sites safe and great and fun. Nothing is 100%, this is life. Here
:11:49. > :11:52.is the advice and guidance that we give about staying online, using the
:11:53. > :11:58.service that the dating company provides. Not chatting on Facebook,
:11:59. > :12:10.and private numbers. What advice would you give? Classic lead, never
:12:11. > :12:15.send any money. Never ever. I know how hard that is because it took me
:12:16. > :12:18.a long time to actually be able to say, I would relate to the woman in
:12:19. > :12:25.the article because you just feel an idiot. There is also, look at the
:12:26. > :12:33.language that someone is using. Does it make sense in English. What is
:12:34. > :12:37.the spelling like, I know that we don't teach spelling. There are tips
:12:38. > :12:42.like that, it is something that is within you, looking at your own
:12:43. > :12:47.need. I was lonely, this was something that triggered me. I think
:12:48. > :12:52.another important thing is, don't let it spoil the rest of your life.
:12:53. > :12:56.That is good advice, thank you all. Thank you all very much.
:12:57. > :12:59.France is remembering the 130 people who lost their lives in the Paris
:13:00. > :13:04.Survivors and families of victims have been invited to
:13:05. > :13:11.the event which is being held at the at Les Invalides in the city.
:13:12. > :13:13.President Francois Hollande is due to speak at the special service.
:13:14. > :13:16.Ben Brown is in Place de la Republique where people are
:13:17. > :13:27.And we will be bringing you coverage of the service over the next half
:13:28. > :13:32.hour. Francois Hollande will be speaking for 20 minutes during that
:13:33. > :13:38.service, he has urged every French citizen to take part by flying the
:13:39. > :13:42.French trick of law. -- the French flag.
:13:43. > :13:49.Yes you join us at the Zabaleta lead in the heart of Paris, in this
:13:50. > :13:56.majestic splendour, it is the backdrop, for this National Service
:13:57. > :14:03.of remembrance, by President Hollande, and the former president
:14:04. > :14:07.of France Nicolas Sarkozy. And also the relatives of the 130 people who
:14:08. > :14:13.lost the lives in the attacks two weeks ago and also some of the
:14:14. > :14:17.survivors will be here as well. Many of the survivors in fact still in
:14:18. > :14:21.hospital, being treated for their wounds, some seriously ill. Those
:14:22. > :14:26.who have been able to make it will be here at this National Service of
:14:27. > :14:30.remembrance. President Hollande has asked that people right across
:14:31. > :14:36.France trade the national flag, the red white and blue across their
:14:37. > :14:40.homes and businesses so that this is a day of remembrance for the victims
:14:41. > :14:45.of the Paris attacks two weeks on, not just here in Paris, but indeed
:14:46. > :14:55.right across the country. I am joined outside Les Invalides, by a
:14:56. > :15:03.French journalist, who was caught up in the attacks. As one of the
:15:04. > :15:08.survivors, it must have been a very traumatic night, two weeks on what
:15:09. > :15:14.are your thoughts? Thankfully I decided not to go to the bar, where
:15:15. > :15:17.I was going to go to a birthday, where the attack happened. But I
:15:18. > :15:24.still got caught in the area because I was going later. Thankfully I did
:15:25. > :15:27.not see any corpses lying on the ground, unlike my friends who did
:15:28. > :15:33.see those dreadful scenes. It was a scary night. A night I will never
:15:34. > :15:37.forget, just like the rest of France because these are unprecedented
:15:38. > :15:40.attacks against France, in the wake of the attacks it just seemed like
:15:41. > :16:00.the whole nation is getting together.
:16:01. > :16:11.What does this mean for the Paris and France? Is it cathartic? Maybe
:16:12. > :16:19.France tries to get some closure? Absolutely, closure is the keyword,
:16:20. > :16:25.two weeks after the attacks. 130 dead we all know and Paris who knows
:16:26. > :16:30.someone who knows someone. We all know people who got injured. We have
:16:31. > :16:38.all been affected by this story. It hit the neighbourhood where I was
:16:39. > :16:51.born and brought up, the area of la Republique. More than half of the
:16:52. > :16:56.victims were under 35. That is why the French need to unite and stick
:16:57. > :16:59.together in difficult times. It is important that the French president
:17:00. > :17:09.has Napoleon's ashes were brought.
:17:10. > :17:15.Usually you play tribute to military men but the victims who died fell
:17:16. > :17:22.for France and that is the symbol of this remembrance service here at Les
:17:23. > :17:26.Invalides in the heart of Paris. President Hollande, we can see the
:17:27. > :17:31.motorcycle riders, some of the dignitaries arriving here at Les
:17:32. > :17:37.Invalides. He has declared this state of emergency, for three
:17:38. > :17:42.months, how nervous are people feeling one fortnight on from the
:17:43. > :17:47.attacks? One or two of the attackers could still be at large, are people
:17:48. > :17:51.nervous? People are nervous and the state of emergency could be extended
:17:52. > :18:00.more than three months. That is what has been announced yesterday. You
:18:01. > :18:05.have less people taking the metro. Some people do not go to bars any
:18:06. > :18:10.more and stay at home. You do notice that restaurants are emptier than
:18:11. > :18:14.usual. There is this sense of anxiety. People are slightly skewed.
:18:15. > :18:20.Life is getting back to normal slowly. It will take time for the
:18:21. > :18:26.French to come to terms with what happened. This was unprecedented,
:18:27. > :18:30.Paris has never seen such attacks on its soil. Especially when you see
:18:31. > :18:33.those committed by terrorists, some of them were born in France and
:18:34. > :18:40.working for the public transport service. People are scared. It is
:18:41. > :18:43.nice to see the scenes with people behind us with the French flags.
:18:44. > :18:50.This is not something we do in France very often. It is not like
:18:51. > :18:53.the United States. We do not have software to grind the French flag
:18:54. > :19:00.and not every family has a French flag at home. President Hollande, we
:19:01. > :19:05.have seen him getting out his khaki at Les Invalides. One family at
:19:06. > :19:09.least are boycotting the service, blaming the French government,
:19:10. > :19:12.saying they should've done more to prevent the terror attacks after
:19:13. > :19:19.Charlie Hebdo. How much anger is there with the feelings of security
:19:20. > :19:23.services? What has to be said is the political unity crumbled very
:19:24. > :19:29.quickly. As early as Sunday, two days after the attacks, the
:19:30. > :19:31.centre-right opposition party with former President Nicolas Sarkozy
:19:32. > :19:36.criticised the government with drastic ages needing to be brought
:19:37. > :19:41.in. Not enough security was given to the French people in the wake of the
:19:42. > :19:45.Charlie Hebdo attacks. That was very important and that is why one family
:19:46. > :19:52.who has decided to boycott this event. They feel more should've been
:19:53. > :19:53.done to prevent attacks. Just listen to the French national anthem that
:19:54. > :21:04.is plain. The food ceremony here at Les
:21:05. > :21:09.Invalides, the French national anthem being played, we can hear the
:21:10. > :21:14.name of all of the victims that lost their lives. -- the full ceremony.
:21:15. > :21:20.Their names will be read out alphabetically and there will be
:21:21. > :21:24.one-minute silence. Let us talk to the French journalist with me who
:21:25. > :21:30.was caught up in the attacks. Important really, do you think, for
:21:31. > :21:36.the French authorities to have the service with all the ceremony we
:21:37. > :21:42.concede here? It is not just any day of remembrance, this is in the heart
:21:43. > :21:49.of Paris on a day of majestic ceremony in majestic surroundings.
:21:50. > :21:54.Les Invalides behind us that honours the military men, Napoleon's ashes
:21:55. > :21:57.were brought here. This is the most prestigious tribute you can make and
:21:58. > :22:02.the best way to honour these victims, these 130 victims. It is
:22:03. > :22:08.very important to have the families of these victims, relatives, friends
:22:09. > :22:14.and survivors here. It will bring closure to the French people,
:22:15. > :22:20.hopefully. Showing these victims and their families that the French state
:22:21. > :22:25.does think about them and that it is very important for the French nation
:22:26. > :22:30.as a whole, and that is why you have so many French flags out today in
:22:31. > :22:34.the heart of Paris in Les Invalides. And the whole of France is thinking
:22:35. > :22:40.about these people. Across France you will have French flags. There is
:22:41. > :22:48.a wave of patriotism in the wake of these attacks. We are just listen
:22:49. > :23:02.now to a bit more of the service as it gets under way.
:23:03. > :30:50.what are at Les Invalides of the National service of remembrance for
:30:51. > :30:54.those who lost their lives in the Paris attacks two weeks ago. The
:30:55. > :31:01.deadliest attack on France since the Second World War. The deadliest
:31:02. > :31:08.terrorist attack in Europe since the Madrid train bombings of 2004.
:31:09. > :31:15.We were seeing just then some of the pictures of the names of those who
:31:16. > :31:24.died, so many young people. The average age was just 35 years old.
:31:25. > :31:27.We will listen in now, because they are reading alphabetically the names
:31:28. > :34:05.of all of the victims of those who died that night.
:34:06. > :36:28.(NAMES AND AGES OF VICTIMS READ OUT) (NAMES AND AGES OF VICTIMS READ OUT)
:36:29. > :46:16.Will TRANSLATION: Friday the 13th of November, this data we will never
:46:17. > :46:27.forget. France was struck in an act of war organised from far-away and
:46:28. > :46:39.carried out in cold blood by an assassin. He killed 130 of hours and
:46:40. > :46:54.injured thousands. Today, the whole nation, all the nation is forced to
:46:55. > :47:02.remember the victims, 130 lives taken away from us. 130 laughs that
:47:03. > :47:12.we will never heard again, 130 voices have been killed for ever.
:47:13. > :47:24.These women and men, represent the joy of life, that is why they were
:47:25. > :47:32.killed and because it was France. They represented liberty and they
:47:33. > :47:40.were massacred. During this serious and painful time, we are the nation
:47:41. > :47:50.comes together, I offer my compassion and affection to the
:47:51. > :47:53.families and the close ones who have came here today to share the same
:47:54. > :48:00.pain. The parents who will never see their children. Children who will
:48:01. > :48:07.grow up without their parents. Couples who have been torn apart by
:48:08. > :48:17.losing loved ones. Sisters and brothers have been separated for
:48:18. > :48:22.ever. 130 dead and scores of injured who have been scarred forever,, ties
:48:23. > :48:31.to within themselves. -- traumatised. I would like to see
:48:32. > :48:38.these words, France will be on your side. We will bring together our
:48:39. > :48:51.forces to alleviate the pain and after having buried the dead, it is
:48:52. > :48:57.our duty to happen... I solemnly promise you that France will put
:48:58. > :49:02.everything at its disposal towards the army who have carried out these
:49:03. > :49:10.crimes. It will operate relentlessly. I promise you that
:49:11. > :49:16.France will stay France, the same France that those who have been
:49:17. > :49:22.taken away from loved. And if there was one reason for us to stand up
:49:23. > :49:30.today, one reason to fight for our principles, one reason to defend
:49:31. > :49:39.this republic which is our common republic, people find it in their
:49:40. > :49:48.memories. These women and men who have come from 150 communities in
:49:49. > :49:51.France, cities, suburbs, villages. They have also came from all over
:49:52. > :50:03.the world, 17 countries today share the pain with others. These women
:50:04. > :50:11.and these men. On Friday the 13th of November where in Paris, a city that
:50:12. > :50:18.shines a light of ideas, that changed during the day and the
:50:19. > :50:25.night, they were at the cafe terraces, a place for ideas and
:50:26. > :50:37.meetings. They shared and savoured meals on this evening of Opurum. In
:50:38. > :50:47.the Bataclan, listening to an American band that showed them
:50:48. > :51:00.friendship. These women and men of all ages. The majority were under 35
:51:01. > :51:12.years old. They were children when the Berlin Wall fell.
:51:13. > :51:20.world. We understood that the world is threatened by new perils on the
:51:21. > :51:46.11th of September ten. France was the enemy of no people.
:51:47. > :51:50.The soldiers operate wherever they are asked to do to protect the weak
:51:51. > :51:58.but not to impose its domination. These women and men represented the
:51:59. > :52:05.youth of France. The youth of a free people who loved culture, its
:52:06. > :52:16.culture. Which means all of the cultures. Amongst the victims of the
:52:17. > :52:19.Bataclan, a lot of them choose to use music as the job. It was the
:52:20. > :52:24.music that was the target of the terrorists. It was this harmony they
:52:25. > :52:28.wanted to break. It was this happiness that they wanted to
:52:29. > :52:37.eradicate with the damage of the bombs. To answer them better, we
:52:38. > :52:46.will multiply our songs, our concerts, our spectacles. We will
:52:47. > :52:54.continue to go to the stadiums, especially the much loved stadiums
:52:55. > :53:02.like the Stade de France and Saint Denis, and we can also show the same
:53:03. > :53:13.emotions by showing our differences, our origins, other colours, our
:53:14. > :53:23.creeds and faith. We are one and the same nation. What do the terrorists
:53:24. > :53:28.want? To divide us? To depose us? To make us fight against each other?
:53:29. > :53:34.They will fail. They have the cult of death but we have got to love,
:53:35. > :53:39.the love of life. Those who were killed on the 13th of November where
:53:40. > :53:57.France, the whole of France, they were students,, engineers, graphic
:53:58. > :54:02.designers, waiters, photographers. Publicists. They represented the
:54:03. > :54:13.jobs and the talents of France and the jobs in France. All of them for
:54:14. > :54:17.their families and the country. By remembering their faces, the names
:54:18. > :54:34.and also their hopes and joy. We will act tomorrow. Our enemies
:54:35. > :54:40.incarnated height. -- height. Those killed in London or Paris or
:54:41. > :54:49.Madrid, the enemy is fanaticism. That wants to subjugate mankind to
:54:50. > :54:55.an inhuman order. It is an Islam that denies the second message of
:54:56. > :55:02.Islam. We will prevail together with our forces, the forces of the
:55:03. > :55:10.Republic, with our arms, the arms of democracy, with our institutions,
:55:11. > :55:15.and the wrong hands of the right. In this fight, we can count on our
:55:16. > :55:24.military engaging in difficult operations in Syria, in Iraq. We can
:55:25. > :55:29.count on our police forces as well as the judicial system who have
:55:30. > :55:35.braved -- behaved in an admirable way to make sure that the terrorists
:55:36. > :55:40.are dealt with. We can count on our Parliament to adopt all of the
:55:41. > :55:46.measures that call for the defence of the interests of the country
:55:47. > :55:53.within the national concord and also the respect of the fundamental
:55:54. > :55:59.liberty and we can count on each French man and woman to be
:56:00. > :56:07.vigilant, to be resolute, to show humanity and dignity. We will carry
:56:08. > :56:16.on this fight until the end and we will win by staying faithful to the
:56:17. > :56:21.idea of France. Which is to live with a relentless willingness to be
:56:22. > :56:32.together. An attachment to the nation. Confidence in our collective
:56:33. > :56:41.fate. I can affirm to you we will not change. They will remain united.
:56:42. > :56:52.-- we will remain united around what matters. I salute before your
:56:53. > :57:02.families gestures from so many friends who came to light a candle
:57:03. > :57:09.to lay some flowers. Or to do something to express their feelings
:57:10. > :57:19.to qualify this gesture and the word fraternity. What can I say about the
:57:20. > :57:25.mobilisation of all of all the come to the rescue of the victims? To
:57:26. > :57:31.accompany those who survived, to console the loved ones. This
:57:32. > :57:43.admirable gesture, also expresses what we are, a united country which
:57:44. > :57:48.is happened since the 13th of November. It represents the gravity
:57:49. > :57:56.and the challenges that are facing the country. Those who fell victim
:57:57. > :58:00.on the 13th of November incarnated our values and our duty more than
:58:01. > :58:12.ever which is to make sure these values live and we will not give in
:58:13. > :58:22.to either fear or hatred. If angle at overcomes us, we should remain
:58:23. > :58:28.composed. -- anger. We should defend liberty every single day. The will
:58:29. > :58:38.to make Frans a great country, proud of its history, way of life,
:58:39. > :58:44.culture, universal presence and the inspiration that our country gets --
:58:45. > :58:50.gives to the country whenever it is hurt. I cannot forget the images
:58:51. > :58:59.from all over the world who joined us in the same movement and to
:59:00. > :59:03.memorise those who fell in Paris as if the entire world was in mourning.
:59:04. > :59:10.The patriotism that we are witnessing today is manifested with
:59:11. > :59:19.the flanks that have adorned the entire country. People singing the
:59:20. > :59:25.national anthem. This has nothing to do with any instinct of revenge,
:59:26. > :59:32.this patriotism is the symbol of our unity and our admirable persistence
:59:33. > :59:38.in the face of the strike that could happen to us. France will remain
:59:39. > :59:44.intact despite the tragedy, despite the blood that has been shared
:59:45. > :59:53.because of its principal of hope and tolerance. The tragedy has touched
:59:54. > :00:02.us all, the families first and the French, irrespective of the creed,
:00:03. > :00:11.origin, confession, it has touched us but it will make us stronger. I
:00:12. > :00:18.am going to tell you my confidence in the next generation. That
:00:19. > :00:24.generation knew at an early age tragic events that actually formed
:00:25. > :00:28.the identity. The attack on the 13th of November will remain in the
:00:29. > :00:39.memory of today's youth as a terrible initiation about the
:00:40. > :00:47.harshness of the world. But also to invent a new commitment. I know that
:00:48. > :00:55.this generation will solemnly carry the flame that we will transfer.
:00:56. > :01:05.It'll have the courage to take on hand at the future of our nation.
:01:06. > :01:11.The pain that has touched the martyrs of the 13th of November has
:01:12. > :01:17.invested in this youth. Liberty should not be avenged but it should
:01:18. > :01:23.be served. I salute this new generation, it has been hit but it
:01:24. > :01:39.has not been covered. this generation will climb short
:01:40. > :01:51.show proof of grandeur, it will live, in the name of the dead that
:01:52. > :02:00.we will commemorate today, despite the tears, this generation has today
:02:01. > :02:06.the Republic, long-lived France. -- long live France
:02:07. > :05:34.(FRENCH NATIONAL ANTHEM MILITARY BAND STYLE)
:05:35. > :05:43.so the Marseillaise played again here at Les Invalides, in the court
:05:44. > :05:49.of honour, one of 15 courtyards inside Les Invalides, a setting for
:05:50. > :05:53.this national day of remembrance. We were listening there to President
:05:54. > :06:00.Hollande, a very powerful and emotional speech by him. He was
:06:01. > :06:05.talking about how France would not give in to fear or to hatred, the
:06:06. > :06:12.whole world is in mourning. The enemy he said is fanaticism, that
:06:13. > :06:17.wants to subjugate mankind. He said, we will prevail with our forces.
:06:18. > :06:22.They want to divide us, said President Hollande, they will fail,
:06:23. > :06:29.they have the cult of death, he said, but we have love, the love of
:06:30. > :06:32.life. He talked about the 130 victims, those that lost their lives
:06:33. > :06:39.in these attacks. President Hollande, who is now leaving Les
:06:40. > :06:43.Invalides, he talked about how, there were parents who would never
:06:44. > :06:47.see their children again, children who would never see their parents
:06:48. > :06:54.again. Couples that have been torn apart by the terror attacks of two
:06:55. > :06:57.weeks ago. He promised, the relatives of the dead who were
:06:58. > :07:02.thereat the service in the heart of Paris that France would be on their
:07:03. > :07:09.side. France would do everything, she said, it could to destroy the
:07:10. > :07:13.fanatics. But France he also promised, would stay the same
:07:14. > :07:20.France, the same France of those who had died, and loved. 130 people from
:07:21. > :07:28.17 different countries who lost their lives, two weeks ago, and he
:07:29. > :07:32.said that all of France shares their pain. He pointed out that the
:07:33. > :07:44.majority of the victims had been under the age of 35. The main target
:07:45. > :07:48.of the terrorists, he said, had been the happiness, of those people, who
:07:49. > :07:55.were out on a Friday night, enjoying rock music at the Bataclan, a meal
:07:56. > :08:03.in a cafe or a restaurant, or a drink, or watching the football
:08:04. > :08:09.match. At the Stade de France. They want to divide us, said President
:08:10. > :08:14.Hollande, but they will fail. It has been a traumatic fortnight, for all
:08:15. > :08:22.of France, for President Hollande, who looks tired and very emotional,
:08:23. > :08:31.as he addressed the relatives of the 130 people who died. He is now
:08:32. > :08:33.leaving Liz at their lead, -- leaving Les Invalides, this is a
:08:34. > :08:41.National Service of Memorial and remembrance. A chance for all of
:08:42. > :08:46.France, to pay their respects to those who died, not only the 130 who
:08:47. > :08:50.died but also the hundreds who were injured in the attacks, one
:08:51. > :08:57.fortnight ago. Many of those are still in hospital, some of them
:08:58. > :09:01.still seriously ill. Here at Les Invalides, not just relatives and
:09:02. > :09:05.some of the survivors as well, but also some of the paramedics who were
:09:06. > :09:17.first on the scene. Some of the police as well. A moment for France
:09:18. > :09:22.to remember in the majestic surroundings of Les Invalides where
:09:23. > :09:27.Napoleon is buried. One of the most famous monuments in Paris. And a
:09:28. > :09:30.fitting memorial perhaps, for those who lost their lives, to the terror
:09:31. > :09:51.attacks two weeks ago. An extraordinary powerful and moving
:09:52. > :09:54.memorial there, in Paris. Remembering the victims. The
:09:55. > :09:57.aftermath of the Paris attacks has seen a debate here as to whether
:09:58. > :10:02.Britain should take part in air strikes against IS in Syria, now the
:10:03. > :10:07.Labour Party has been plunged into crisis because of divisions over the
:10:08. > :10:11.issue. David Cameron called on MPs to back the plans to extend bombing
:10:12. > :10:15.operations against so-called list and mixed eight, Jeremy Corbyn told
:10:16. > :10:19.his Shadow Cabinet that he would not support the move. Senior Labour
:10:20. > :10:21.figures are now threatening to resign. He would not support the
:10:22. > :10:27.move. Senior Labour figures are now threatening to resign. What is the
:10:28. > :10:32.latest for us in the row in the Labour Party? The row is deadly
:10:33. > :10:37.serious, clearly at the moment, you have the position that probably half
:10:38. > :10:41.of Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet might be ready to support air
:10:42. > :10:45.strikes as part of a strategy taking on so-called Islamic State. Jeremy
:10:46. > :10:50.Corbyn lit the touch paper if you like in terms of internal disputes,
:10:51. > :10:54.by having a Shadow Cabinet meeting and then immediately going out and
:10:55. > :10:58.writing to MPs saying that he was against air strikes. This was after
:10:59. > :11:02.having had a 90 minute discussion suggesting that they come back on
:11:03. > :11:08.Monday, reflect about it over the weekend. What people are saying, is
:11:09. > :11:12.that, he is trying to pressurise MPs into backing his position and trying
:11:13. > :11:17.to get some of the new members coming into the party, giving them
:11:18. > :11:22.support, to put pressure on the MPs as well. What David Cameron is
:11:23. > :11:26.doing, he is meeting heads of government and of the Commonwealth
:11:27. > :11:31.in a special summit in Malta, he is trying to argue of course that it is
:11:32. > :11:34.essential for Britain's security to go ahead with air strikes as part of
:11:35. > :11:39.a wider strategy because his political strategy is also to detach
:11:40. > :11:44.enough Labour MPs from Jeremy Corbyn to make sure that he can have a
:11:45. > :11:45.Parliamentary vote and to go ahead. Again he restated his position this
:11:46. > :11:59.morning. INAUDIBLE
:12:00. > :12:04.Yesterday, we agreed there was a compelling case I would urge all of
:12:05. > :12:08.them to vote on the basis of the arguments for effective action, to
:12:09. > :12:13.keep our country safe. Vote on those arguments and we can do the right
:12:14. > :12:16.thing. David Cameron calling for that Parliamentary vote, but he
:12:17. > :12:21.knows that it will undoubtedly split the opposition if he does so. This
:12:22. > :12:25.was admitted in fact by the Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn, year someone
:12:26. > :12:30.who was sceptical about air strikes in the absence of a wider strategy,
:12:31. > :12:34.he seems to be convinced by the Prime Minister but also by the fact
:12:35. > :12:37.that the UN Security Council was calling for more robust action
:12:38. > :12:41.against Islamic State in a resolution just one week ago. This
:12:42. > :12:46.morning he admitted that his party still has some weight to go to try
:12:47. > :12:50.and heal its divisions on this issue. In the end, it is for each
:12:51. > :12:54.member of Parliament to make a judgment about how they will cast a
:12:55. > :12:58.vote and I should say that we have yet to see the motion, that the
:12:59. > :13:02.Prime Minister may bring before the House of Commons. That is why, I'm
:13:03. > :13:06.convinced of the need to take effective action but we will only be
:13:07. > :13:11.able to make a final judgment, when we have a
:13:12. > :13:17.proposition before the House of Commons. I think that all of us will
:13:18. > :13:20.do the right thing, it is possible for all of us to reach different
:13:21. > :13:27.conclusions about what should be done in this complex and difficult
:13:28. > :13:31.situation. He admitted is complex and difficult, it certainly is for
:13:32. > :13:36.the Labour Party. There is a chance that the party unites, but in all
:13:37. > :13:41.likelihood sources are telling us that there is probably around 40
:13:42. > :13:45.Labour MPs who are likely to back the Prime Minister, maybe more than
:13:46. > :13:49.that. Certainly it seems to be half of the Shadow Cabinet, slightly
:13:50. > :13:54.more, are minded to be convinced. That could set them on a collision
:13:55. > :13:57.course with Jeremy Corbyn unless he is willing to offer a free vote, to
:13:58. > :14:03.let them vote with a conscience. So far he has not yet he did that.
:14:04. > :14:07.Monday's meeting, and the Parliamentary party is going to be
:14:08. > :14:11.crucial to determine its future as well as in turn to
:14:12. > :14:17.determine whether the Prime Minister will have a vote on air strikes.
:14:18. > :14:21.COMMENTATOR: Thank you very much, while politicians wrangle on what to
:14:22. > :14:26.do, there is a tool information as to what life is like inside an
:14:27. > :14:30.Islamic strongholds. The group has made Raqqa its headquarters, it has
:14:31. > :14:35.become one of the main targets for air strikes by America, Jordanian,
:14:36. > :14:44.Russian and now Frenchman a tree jets. The citizen journalist, is the
:14:45. > :14:48.only source of information. They use you chew, and other social media to
:14:49. > :14:52.inform the rest of the world about murders, explosions and rape. In a
:14:53. > :15:04.town that was a safe haven in the early days of the Syrian Civil War.
:15:05. > :15:14.I am from Raqqa, Syria, I am one of the co-founders. We have 18
:15:15. > :15:19.reporters inside the city, and the team outside, we are ten. The team
:15:20. > :15:25.outside, -- inside they send us breaking news. And they deleted
:15:26. > :15:27.automatically from Boeder vices, then how team outside, write
:15:28. > :18:16.articles. So what will be the impact on
:18:17. > :18:24.Syrians and charities trying to provide support on the ground
:18:25. > :18:27.if Britain joins air strikes? In a letter obtained exclusively
:18:28. > :18:29.by this programme from a group of influential Syrians living
:18:30. > :18:32.in the UK, they ask David Cameron to find a find
:18:33. > :18:35.and a find a political resolution One of those behind the letter
:18:36. > :18:38.Dr Mohammad Isreb - Here with me is student
:18:39. > :19:25.Razan Saffour whose still has some family members living in Syria - she
:19:26. > :19:28.wants to see President Assad removed from power but doesn't want the UK
:19:29. > :19:31.to get involved in air strikes. Sam Taylor is a senior Syria Advisor
:19:32. > :19:49.for the charity Medecins Sans We read out a little bit of the
:19:50. > :19:55.letter, tell us more about why you decided to write this. I would like
:19:56. > :20:00.to see that Syrian people are not considered Isis as a threat to them,
:20:01. > :20:04.it is a threat to the west. They see that the biggest threat is the
:20:05. > :20:12.President Assad regime. That has killed 70% of the people who have
:20:13. > :20:18.died Russia has joined the region to support President Assad. They are
:20:19. > :20:24.using cluster bombs, white phosphorus and burning hospitals.
:20:25. > :20:35.This is not even targeting Isis most of the time. We should have a
:20:36. > :20:39.comprehensive alternative solution as Hilary Benn suggested. To the
:20:40. > :20:49.Syrians, with the Syrians, we look like we are joining Russia in
:20:50. > :20:54.helping President Assad. They will never be able to fight an ideology
:20:55. > :20:58.like Isis by simply bombing from the air, we need to sort it out from the
:20:59. > :21:02.ground. In order to gain the trust of the city and people that we are
:21:03. > :21:06.on the site, we have to find a solution to protect them from the
:21:07. > :21:13.hideous crimes that are committed by President Assad everyday. We
:21:14. > :21:20.suggested a safe area in the letter so that people could seek safety. We
:21:21. > :21:25.will never be able to get rid of Isis unless they get rid of
:21:26. > :21:33.President Assad. We said that Syrians do not consider ISA threat
:21:34. > :21:37.to them. We were hearing from some people in Syria talking about the
:21:38. > :21:46.way it is being impacted on the ground. Syrians do consider Isis as
:21:47. > :21:50.a threat but in the perspective, President Assad is the major
:21:51. > :21:56.threat. 70% of the 200,000 people died because of the bombs from
:21:57. > :22:02.President Assad. Syrians do see Isis as a big threat but they see them as
:22:03. > :22:06.a symptom of the main disease which is the President Assad regime. We
:22:07. > :22:13.will never be able to get rid of ices unless we get rid of the main
:22:14. > :22:21.threat which is President Assad. I agree with the respective gentleman.
:22:22. > :22:24.Ices survived in Syria because it failed as a state because President
:22:25. > :22:30.Assad would rather destroy the country than lose power. Because of
:22:31. > :22:40.this, President Assad is the cause and Isis is the symptom. Bombing
:22:41. > :22:47.from the air will not stop Isis. It may kill the people currently in
:22:48. > :22:56.Isis pottable not kill the ideology. It will just create more extremism.
:22:57. > :23:08.That is what ices thrives on to remain in Syria. The danger is that
:23:09. > :23:15.it sends a message that the West is not supporting Syrians, it is
:23:16. > :23:21.supporting Assad. It Syrians do see IAS as a threat on the ground, will
:23:22. > :23:31.they not see Britain becoming involved as being supportive? They
:23:32. > :23:35.see Isis as a symptom of the brutality of Assad. The priority is
:23:36. > :23:42.to get rid of back to rather than bombing Isis if that makes sense.
:23:43. > :23:47.What impact have the air strikes been happening on your operations on
:23:48. > :23:54.the ground because you have got 150 medical field centres operating in
:23:55. > :23:58.this area? Just to be clear, we those centres with supplies and
:23:59. > :24:03.other things. We do not work directly inside Syria in many places
:24:04. > :24:11.because it is simply too dangerous. The situation is such that MSF is
:24:12. > :24:15.incapable. The front lines change all the time and you talked about
:24:16. > :24:20.the level of bombings in civilian areas which is huge. The risk of
:24:21. > :24:24.kidnappings is significant. We only work if I places in northern Syria
:24:25. > :24:28.but we support 150 structures. What we hear from those structures is
:24:29. > :24:34.that they are being targeted in bombing raids, by missiles and by
:24:35. > :24:38.barrel bombs. The impact of providing health care is huge. You
:24:39. > :24:42.have got a system that existed previously insidious that was
:24:43. > :24:50.decent. A health care system. It is now crippled and on its knees, it is
:24:51. > :24:55.destroyed. You are a humanitarian medical organisation but do you have
:24:56. > :24:57.any view on whether air strikes are making the situation any safer on
:24:58. > :25:04.the ground for civilians and people try to help them what impact they
:25:05. > :25:07.are having? We are an independent humanitarian organisation and we
:25:08. > :25:12.will not take any position on that and what we can see very clearly, it
:25:13. > :25:27.is a political solution, it is needed. More bombs is not going to
:25:28. > :25:32.hasten political solution. What is the way to a political solution? The
:25:33. > :25:42.International committee has been so divided on what to do. It is united
:25:43. > :25:45.now against IAS. First of all, the city and organisations around the
:25:46. > :25:49.UK, they are about 20 organisations, we made a policy
:25:50. > :25:59.document which comprehensively looks at sorting the Syrian crisis,... We
:26:00. > :26:03.see that we need to put political pressure to put the dash to stop the
:26:04. > :26:10.barrel bombs in Syria. As the gentleman said, it is the medical
:26:11. > :26:14.centres in Syria that are being targeted by the barrel bombs and the
:26:15. > :26:18.white phosphorus, and cluster bombs. Eight hospitals have been
:26:19. > :26:24.bombed by Russia since they started their campaign in Syria. What we
:26:25. > :26:38.need is to provide a no bombings on. -- a bombing zone. This will
:26:39. > :26:50.make Syrians feel able to combat Isis by themselves and reach a
:26:51. > :27:02.political solution. Thank you all. Let us go back to the memorial
:27:03. > :27:05.service in Paris. President Hollande bowed to destroy Islamic State and
:27:06. > :27:08.said the victors will be remembered. This day that we will never forget.
:27:09. > :27:22.-- the victims. Franchise was cowardly struct in an act of war
:27:23. > :27:22.organised from far-away. And carried out in cold blood, an assassin has
:27:23. > :27:44.killed 130 other thousands. -- of other people. --
:27:45. > :27:57.today, the entire nation is forced to remember the victims, 130 lives
:27:58. > :28:01.taken away from us. 150 alas that we will never hear again. 130 voices
:28:02. > :28:16.that have been killed for ever. These women and men represented the
:28:17. > :28:17.joy of life and that is why they were killed. And because it
:28:18. > :28:37.Frans we have been killed. The represented liberty and they were
:28:38. > :28:43.massacred. A very moving the ceremony at Les Invalides. Majestic
:28:44. > :28:49.surroundings for this service of remembrance. The 130 people that
:28:50. > :28:53.lost their lives one fortnight ago well remembered. Relatives of the
:28:54. > :28:59.dead were here. Some of the survivors were here. Politicians
:29:00. > :29:04.from all parties, President Hollande and former presidents. We can talk
:29:05. > :29:11.to the British ambassador to France who was in there for the service.
:29:12. > :29:14.Very emotional, was it important for France to have this very formal
:29:15. > :29:22.ceremonial National service of remembrance? I think it was. We are
:29:23. > :29:26.two weeks on from the somatic event. This is a classic spot in Paris, it
:29:27. > :29:32.is like the Royal Hospital in Chelsea, built for the victims of
:29:33. > :29:37.wars. A very austere place. A very moving ceremony, 130 names read out
:29:38. > :29:42.slowly and seemed to go on for ever. All of the families there. It was a
:29:43. > :29:46.moment of conclusion for the families. And a very powerful
:29:47. > :29:50.address from President Hollande who looks to be very emotional and
:29:51. > :29:56.tired, not surprisingly given the last two weeks. A powerful speech in
:29:57. > :30:01.which he said that the terrorists represent the cult of death. The
:30:02. > :30:06.victims represent love and the love of life. And then the music that
:30:07. > :30:10.accompanied that brought that message. He was saying that the
:30:11. > :30:15.entire young generation was attacked but we have confidence that the
:30:16. > :30:19.young generation will respond and keep the values of France after this
:30:20. > :30:24.attack. I felt he spoke very well and very movingly after a very tough
:30:25. > :30:28.week. He is off now to the Commonwealth summit in Malta to talk
:30:29. > :30:32.about climate change. This was a very important moment for France.
:30:33. > :30:36.What is Paris like two weeks on? How nervous are people? We read about
:30:37. > :30:41.the terror cell where the police the terror cell where the police
:30:42. > :30:45.went in, they were preparing another attack on the business district of
:30:46. > :30:49.Paris. People here, are they still scared that there could be more
:30:50. > :30:53.attacks? People are still nervous but equally determined it is not
:30:54. > :30:57.going to change their way of life. Paris is getting back to business in
:30:58. > :31:03.the cafes. We have got a big climate summit that in this weekend. Life is
:31:04. > :31:04.continuing and this is part of putting these terrible events into
:31:05. > :31:23.context by moving on. Yes, Nick Alexander who died, the
:31:24. > :31:27.number of British people who were wounded at this ceremony, and so
:31:28. > :31:32.many nations involved. Just an enormous number of people.
:31:33. > :31:40.It was very sobering to hear all of the names read out one by one. And
:31:41. > :31:46.he was saying this was a tragedy for the world and it was a world fight
:31:47. > :31:50.against terrorism as well? It is a struggle of the entire civilised
:31:51. > :31:54.world, against this one terrorist group. The Prime Minister has called
:31:55. > :32:01.it a death cult. I think he was mobilising opinion partly in the
:32:02. > :32:02.fight for our values, in not allowing this violence, to destroy
:32:03. > :32:11.everything that we live. I know that some of the relatives,
:32:12. > :32:14.one family did not want to come because they held the French
:32:15. > :32:20.authorities partly responsible for what happened. Because they did not
:32:21. > :32:25.stop it after the Charlie Hebdo attacks? People had their ruin
:32:26. > :32:29.views, but I felt a tremendous solidarity, President Hollande used
:32:30. > :32:39.the term solidarity, that all of the people had given the victims, of
:32:40. > :32:45.course, every family has to make their choice. And President Hollande
:32:46. > :32:51.has asked people to fly the trickle across the country, a day of
:32:52. > :32:56.remembrance, right around France. It is everywhere now, it is a bit like
:32:57. > :33:01.what happened if after 7-7, with the union Jack, it is about pride of the
:33:02. > :33:09.country, that was very much in evidence. And an important, a stress
:33:10. > :33:17.on life getting back. Going on, living your life, enjoying life, not
:33:18. > :33:23.being cowed by terrorists? Yes, we have life and love and solidarity
:33:24. > :33:26.and friendship, enjoying ourselves, what do the terrorists offer us?
:33:27. > :33:32.Nothing like that that was one of the themes he had. Thank you very
:33:33. > :33:38.much, Sir Peter Ricketts, the British ambassador to Paris, talking
:33:39. > :33:41.inside that National Service of remembrance, he was there, in which
:33:42. > :33:48.President Hollande said that the enemy is fanaticism, "they want to
:33:49. > :33:53.subjugate mankind, but we will prevail with our forces. " A very
:33:54. > :33:58.emotional service that has just come to an end. Thank you.
:33:59. > :34:04.Next to some Pyrenean work that is helping to cut some child death
:34:05. > :34:08.rates, death rates among sick children in the UK don't compare
:34:09. > :34:15.well to Europe oz best performing country Sweden for child mortality.
:34:16. > :34:18.Every year, there could be as many as 1951 excess deaths compare to
:34:19. > :34:25.Sweden, among sick children in the UK. But a new campaign called safe
:34:26. > :34:33.wants to change this, it is remarkably simple. It wants nurses,
:34:34. > :34:39.doctors, and families to huddle, to exchange information. To see
:34:40. > :34:49.what difference it is making, we have got a doctor, a nurse, and a
:34:50. > :34:52.mother who got involved when her daughter became ill. Peter you are
:34:53. > :35:01.effectively the pioneer, it was your idea, tell us how you came about it?
:35:02. > :35:04.Basically it is a simple intervention, in Cincinnati
:35:05. > :35:09.hospital, they pioneered this, saying could we anticipate something
:35:10. > :35:13.going wrong before it goes wrong? Usually, when the child
:35:14. > :35:18.deteriorates, you send a rescue team, what they said, is is it
:35:19. > :35:22.possible for us to look ahead of time to see which children made it
:35:23. > :35:26.and what are the things that we need to look at. They published the paper
:35:27. > :35:31.around two years ago, in the paper they showed that they could decrease
:35:32. > :35:38.and planned transfers by over 50 or 60%. That means a majority of people
:35:39. > :35:43.who were potentially collapsed, were picked up earlier. It is moving from
:35:44. > :35:48.anticipation to action, and the introduction of the huddle which is
:35:49. > :35:52.a small group meeting where nursing staff, parents, share information
:35:53. > :35:56.about the children who may deteriorate in the future, rather
:35:57. > :36:01.than in the past, it changes the way people are thinking about health
:36:02. > :36:06.care. It is remarkably simple, how is it making a difference? Everybody
:36:07. > :36:12.has that information anyway, but it was not being shared? It is about
:36:13. > :36:16.situational awareness, it comes from the military, it is knowing where
:36:17. > :36:21.your troops are at all times so that they do not have friendly fire. In
:36:22. > :36:26.sports it is the same, knowing where your colleagues are. In health care,
:36:27. > :36:30.everyone has a different lens on patients, the parents have want you,
:36:31. > :36:34.the nurse has want you, the doctors have another view, and the vital
:36:35. > :36:39.signs may not reveal the truth of what is happening. In this case, we
:36:40. > :36:43.get all of the players to try and tell us what is actually happening.
:36:44. > :36:47.This is integrated together in this huddle, it happens to war three
:36:48. > :36:52.times a day depending on the situation, and we tested out to see
:36:53. > :36:54.what is the best way to do it, and that information will then increase
:36:55. > :37:02.situation awareness and hopefully, will give us the situation before
:37:03. > :37:06.they deteriorate. You are a parent, you got involved in this article
:37:07. > :37:11.child ended up in hospital. What happened in your situation and what
:37:12. > :37:18.inform Jory spirits is? So my daughter Martha was diagnosed with
:37:19. > :37:22.leukaemia, four years ago. She spent six months intensive treatment, and
:37:23. > :37:27.during that time, we observed lots of really good practice, and for me
:37:28. > :37:32.fundamentally it was about the fact that we were able to build oration
:37:33. > :37:36.ships with doctors and nurses and we were communicated with. -- build
:37:37. > :37:43.relationships. When we were anxious was when information was not shared,
:37:44. > :37:51.so when I had the opportunity of joining this project, I knew it was
:37:52. > :37:55.simple things that were like being informed, a simple thing like having
:37:56. > :37:59.a voice as a parent, we are used to thinking that the doctor knows best,
:38:00. > :38:06.you sit and wait and listen. That is not the way that it is now, patient
:38:07. > :38:08.centred care is about involving everybody, like play specialists, I
:38:09. > :38:19.knew my daughter very well, the lady who delivered, all of this
:38:20. > :38:25.district said that she was all right but I had a gut reaction that she
:38:26. > :38:30.was not OK. Now we have got the proper mechanisms where that can
:38:31. > :38:35.happen nationally. That was not the norm, I think it is becoming more of
:38:36. > :38:40.the norm like through techniques like the huddle. Talking about her
:38:41. > :38:48.situation missiles like a model of involving the parent and everybody
:38:49. > :38:53.who is looking after a child. Was that unusual, when it was four years
:38:54. > :39:00.ago? Identikit was unusual, it is always the aim. We have always been
:39:01. > :39:07.keen to involve parents, in their care. But this is the way of helping
:39:08. > :39:08.us, to get to, they know that the huddle is going to happen. We
:39:09. > :39:15.got posters up, we can tell them this is how it is working, if you
:39:16. > :39:27.are worried, we will listen to you all concerned.
:39:28. > :39:28.Have we seen specific examples of it working, transforming the situation,
:39:29. > :39:37.otherwise it having the bedside nurse, who is
:39:38. > :39:43.having the, session with the family, they know that their concerns will
:39:44. > :39:48.be passed on, and the parents know their children the best. We value
:39:49. > :39:52.that conversation, that we will take that with us to the huddle, that is
:39:53. > :39:58.what our focus and the huddle will be. It sounds like the added
:39:59. > :40:02.ingredient is the parental input, is that the thing that is making the
:40:03. > :40:08.big difference? That is one of the key
:40:09. > :40:13.parent has a partner to manage the children. Also this is about
:40:14. > :40:18.changing the culture in the wards, I grew up with the doctor knows best
:40:19. > :40:23.view, and we need to change that, and say that everybody's view is
:40:24. > :40:28.important. This programme is aiming at doing that, what happens is that
:40:29. > :40:32.the team comes to a decision, what is the best way forward? The whole
:40:33. > :40:36.idea is to identify children and mitigate against potential
:40:37. > :40:40.deterioration and if necessary, to escalate early, so that you don't
:40:41. > :40:46.change the way that we do most of change the way that we do most of
:40:47. > :40:52.our health care, and seeing the spread, from 12 hospitals to 28
:40:53. > :40:56.hospitals, trying this out. We can get an answer and changing the way
:40:57. > :41:01.that we behave. Do you think that lives are being saved? It is
:41:02. > :41:11.difficult to say, we having bedded value Aitor is, to save lives in the
:41:12. > :41:17.long-term, I would say two or three years you would have to do it. What
:41:18. > :41:21.has happened, is that in a small hospital, they may have one or two
:41:22. > :41:26.unexplained deaths, that might deteriorate. In a larger children's
:41:27. > :41:31.hospital they may have more. We will not see more the death rates coming
:41:32. > :41:34.down necessarily, but the number of children that we have two rescue
:41:35. > :41:38.because we identify them earlier and then we will seek the rate of rescue
:41:39. > :41:43.go down so in the long term yes I think that will happen. If there is
:41:44. > :41:47.more of a culture of everybody getting together and talking through
:41:48. > :41:54.the most appropriate way to deal with a child in this instance, does
:41:55. > :41:58.that lead to a change more broadly in how issues are dealt with
:41:59. > :42:07.afterwards? If things go wrong in terms of learning lessons? I think
:42:08. > :42:12.from my perspective yes, I think the doctors and nurses I have met in
:42:13. > :42:16.terms of the safe programme, there isn't the same defensiveness, so I
:42:17. > :42:22.think learning lessons from the stakes, wings are much more open.
:42:23. > :42:27.Historically, the sense is, that you are criticising. Now it is about
:42:28. > :42:30.learning together, it is a responsibility for all to improve.
:42:31. > :42:35.So in terms of the doctors and nurses that I have met, there is
:42:36. > :42:41.definitely an appetite, we are continuously looking for ways to
:42:42. > :42:45.improve. Is that your experience? Definitely, we have a culture of can
:42:46. > :42:51.do now. Was there a culture of cover-up? In general, has there been
:42:52. > :43:00.a sense in the health service to explain things away as unavoidable,
:43:01. > :43:04.unforeseen circumstances? I think that we are more proactive now, if
:43:05. > :43:09.we can take a situation that is going well, what works well and how
:43:10. > :43:15.do we use that. Much more positive way to look at health. The important
:43:16. > :43:20.thing is to learn when things go wrong, these are very complex
:43:21. > :43:23.situations. But what we would like to do is to say that it is possible
:43:24. > :43:29.to anticipate more, and to learn more in the future, as well as to
:43:30. > :43:34.study what really works, and mostly you will have fantastic experience,
:43:35. > :43:40.good care and we need to study that as well as what goes wrong. Thank
:43:41. > :43:43.you all so much for coming in. Thank you.
:43:44. > :43:51.Now I'll programme this morning has been dominated by that act of
:43:52. > :43:57.remembrance in Paris, for the people who died, in the terror attacks. Let
:43:58. > :44:01.us take you to Paris where people continue to lay flowers, in a
:44:02. > :44:05.speech, the President of France, Francois Hollande says that France
:44:06. > :44:13.will do everything it has, to destroy the Army fanatics. Goodbye.
:44:14. > :44:15.The weather this weekend will ruffle our