08/12/2015

:00:00. > :00:00.Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:00. > :00:12.South African paralympian Oscar Pistorius has been granted

:00:13. > :00:16.bail this morning after being found guilty of murdering

:00:17. > :00:35.The accused Schmidts to the house arrest and may leave the house

:00:36. > :00:44.between 7 o'clock in the morning and 12 o'clock midday and is only

:00:45. > :00:46.allowed to travel within t radius permitted.

:00:47. > :00:48.Also today, yet more misery for people whose

:00:49. > :00:51.homes have been destroyed in the floods with warnings

:00:52. > :00:59.We'll speak to some of those affected.

:01:00. > :01:02.Plus one of the leading candidates to be the next President

:01:03. > :01:05.of the United States of America is calling for Muslims to be banned

:01:06. > :01:17.Donald Trump is calling for a shutdown to Muslims until

:01:18. > :01:19.representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

:01:20. > :01:21.We'll get reaction from American Muslim's.

:01:22. > :01:24.Plus, should this man be a contender for the BBC's Sports

:01:25. > :01:30.Britain's world heavy weight boxing champion Tyson Fury has made

:01:31. > :01:34.homophobic and sexist comments but do personal views matter

:01:35. > :01:44.when it comes to recognition for his sporting triumphs like this?

:01:45. > :01:52.Bedlam in the ring as Tyson Fury wins one of the most coveted prizes

:01:53. > :01:55.in sport. He comes from a gypsy background. The self-styled gypsy

:01:56. > :02:02.King is the heavyweight champion of the world!

:02:03. > :02:05.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News

:02:06. > :02:09.Throughout the programme we'll keep you

:02:10. > :02:12.across the latest breaking news and developing stories and, as always,

:02:13. > :02:16.Particularly keen for you to tell us what you think

:02:17. > :02:19.of Britain's world heavyweight boxer, Tyson Fury, and whether he

:02:20. > :02:22.should be on the BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist.

:02:23. > :02:25.There's a campaign to get him removed

:02:26. > :02:30.from the list because of sexist and homophobic remarks he's made.

:02:31. > :02:40.But do personal views matter when it comes to sporting achievements?

:02:41. > :02:47.Richard is cross, he says for goodness sake, Tyson is a breath of

:02:48. > :02:53.fresh air another says. Anne says, he should be removed. Although

:02:54. > :02:57.everyone is entitled to their opinions, Mr Fury's are offensive

:02:58. > :02:58.and it does sports personality a disservice.

:02:59. > :03:01.Carol will be here with all the weather details just

:03:02. > :03:05.We'll talk to people who clearing up their businesses just

:03:06. > :03:13.The South African paralympic champion, Oscar Pistorius, has been

:03:14. > :03:16.granted bail, after his conviction for killing his girlfriend was

:03:17. > :03:21.These are the latest pictures as Oscar Pistorius arrived

:03:22. > :03:34.His lawyer says he'll appeal to the highest court against the ruling.

:03:35. > :03:38.The judge said it would not be in the interests of justice to prevent

:03:39. > :03:47.him leaving his home and said he'd remain under house arrest pending

:03:48. > :03:55.sentencing. He has proved that he is not a flight risk. Initially, the

:03:56. > :04:04.applicant was charged with an offence mentioned in schedule 6

:04:05. > :04:09.which offence attracts a sentence of life imprisonment and even if he was

:04:10. > :04:18.facing life imprisonment, he did comply with the bail conditions that

:04:19. > :04:24.were put by the court. I have seriously considered part of the

:04:25. > :04:31.agreement between the defence and the state that the applicant should

:04:32. > :04:38.not leave the house at all should bail be granted. I have further

:04:39. > :04:44.considered this matter is to be postponed to April next year, as it

:04:45. > :04:50.was discussed in Chambers. I'm of the view that it will not be in the

:04:51. > :04:54.interests of justice to the accused or the applicant, should not leave

:04:55. > :05:09.the house at all. Have you considered all the

:05:10. > :05:18.submissions that were made by both counsel -- having considered. I make

:05:19. > :05:37.the following order; the case is postponed to the 18th April, 2016.

:05:38. > :05:41.Applicant is released on bail of 10,000 Rand.

:05:42. > :05:45.Karen Allen is outside the court for us.

:05:46. > :05:53.Tell us what happened in court today, Karen?

:05:54. > :05:58.Well, a case that lasted a little over an hour, the judge basically

:05:59. > :06:03.set out the bail conditions for Oscar Pistorius. Remember, he is now

:06:04. > :06:07.a convicted murderer following last week's appeal. The bail conditions

:06:08. > :06:13.are essentially this; that he will be allowed to leave the house

:06:14. > :06:16.between 7 and 12. He'll have to notify the authorities that he

:06:17. > :06:21.intends to leave the house but won't be able to go beyond a radius of 20

:06:22. > :06:26.kilometres of his uncle's house. He'll also have to hand over his

:06:27. > :06:31.passport. There was concern that he may be able to go overseas. That is

:06:32. > :06:35.why they are also electronically tagging him, very different to the

:06:36. > :06:40.conditions he faced when he was convicted for manslaughter and he

:06:41. > :06:43.was basically serving his correctional supervision, as they

:06:44. > :06:47.called it. The bottom line though, is that in today's court case where

:06:48. > :06:51.Oscar Pistorius, who was sitting literally a metre away from me,

:06:52. > :06:54.looked a much more relaxed man. He went into court knowing that the

:06:55. > :06:58.prosecution and his defence lawyers had already come to an agreement

:06:59. > :07:01.that he should be allowed to continue some form of house arrest.

:07:02. > :07:05.Of course, it wasn't up to them, it was up to the judge, but as you

:07:06. > :07:09.heard in your clip a moment ago, he wasn't deemed to be a flight risk.

:07:10. > :07:13.So when in the last few minutes Oscar Pistorius left the gates here,

:07:14. > :07:17.he looked far more relaxed despite the heavy presence of the

:07:18. > :07:23.international media here as he prepares to spend Christmas at home.

:07:24. > :07:31.And in terms of his next legal move, what does that involve?

:07:32. > :07:35.Well, as you heard, the plan is to appeal last week's decision to the

:07:36. > :07:37.highest court in the land. That is the constitutional court here in

:07:38. > :07:42.South Africa. Now, the papers have to be lodged in the next few days.

:07:43. > :07:47.Then on April 18th, we will get an indication as to whether or not that

:07:48. > :07:52.constitutional court case has been a success. If it has been a success,

:07:53. > :07:58.then we could make many, many more months before a date is set -- wait

:07:59. > :08:01.many, many more months. If it fails, it's only then that Oscar Pistorius

:08:02. > :08:06.will come back to the High Court to face sentencing for that murder

:08:07. > :08:09.conviction, so it's enormously complicated, but throughout that

:08:10. > :08:13.time, those bail conditions are likely to remain in place, which

:08:14. > :08:16.means the possibility of him going to jail could be delayed for many,

:08:17. > :08:19.many more months still. Thank you very much.

:08:20. > :08:22.Let's talk now to Gushwell Brooks, a journalist in Johannesburg,

:08:23. > :08:26.who's been following the case from the beginning.

:08:27. > :08:32.In terms of the bail conditions allowing Oscar Pistorius for now

:08:33. > :08:37.being able to leave his uncle's house for a period of time, what is

:08:38. > :08:40.the reaction? Well, I mean looking at the Twitter feed and listening to

:08:41. > :08:44.the comments people have made thus far, it's quite clear that people

:08:45. > :08:49.feel that yet again, it's a situation of someone with money,

:08:50. > :08:53.someone with influence, some with collar, being able to manipulate the

:08:54. > :08:59.legal system. On top of that, I think the constitutional cou, that

:09:00. > :09:05.doesn't help that scenario either. Is there any evidence that he's

:09:06. > :09:09.manipulated that, it was only a short while ago that his conviction

:09:10. > :09:13.was changed? I believe there is an argument to be made for the fact

:09:14. > :09:19.that money obviously brights you greater access to justice. I don't

:09:20. > :09:23.necessarily think that it's based on opinion or evidence -- buys you

:09:24. > :09:28.greater access to justice. It's down to opinion and people are getting

:09:29. > :09:34.tired of Oscar Pistorius trying various legal mechanisms to stay out

:09:35. > :09:39.of court. But anybody, everybody in his position would go back to court

:09:40. > :09:43.to have a bail hearing? Indeed. I don't think that the bail

:09:44. > :09:47.application is the issue, thing the bail application was going to happen

:09:48. > :09:51.anyway. What is of concern to a lot of people is the fact that Oscar

:09:52. > :09:55.Pistorius is appealing this matter through the constitutional court.

:09:56. > :10:01.Just to make you aware, because this was a capital crime or a serious

:10:02. > :10:04.offence, murder was obviously, the case of murder and culpable homicide

:10:05. > :10:09.was actually heard in the High Court. The state then appealed to

:10:10. > :10:13.the Supreme Court of Appeal and now he is appealing to the

:10:14. > :10:18.constitutional court which would obviously be the final leg of his

:10:19. > :10:22.appeal process. I think that what people are frustrated by is that the

:10:23. > :10:25.ordinary Joe on the street wouldn't be able to exhaust all these legal

:10:26. > :10:38.mechanisms. Thank you very much for talking to us again.

:10:39. > :10:41.US rock band Eagles of Death Metal have appeared on stage in Paris,

:10:42. > :10:44.less than a month after Islamist gunmen stormed their gig

:10:45. > :10:49.They were invited to appear during a U2 concert.

:10:50. > :10:51.Bono embraced singer Jesse Hughes ahead of joint rendition of Patti

:10:52. > :11:04.There is nothing left except to introduce you to some

:11:05. > :11:07.people whose lives will forever be a part of the city of Paris.

:11:08. > :11:09.These are our brothers, our fellow troubadours.

:11:10. > :11:12.They were robbed of their stage three weeks ago and we would

:11:13. > :11:19.Would you welcome the Eagles of Death Metal!

:11:20. > :11:46.Is everybody here having a good time?

:11:47. > :11:52.I said, is everybody here having a good time?

:11:53. > :13:22.No fear. We are here. Yes. It is the goodness. It's great. It's very

:13:23. > :13:34.great to sing this night I think because this band have seen the

:13:35. > :13:49.devil, the Black Friday, yes. I'm so happy. Eagle of Death Metal, I love

:13:50. > :13:57.you. I think it's very good therapy for the band. For the first time,

:13:58. > :14:09.one more time in Paris after a few weeks, after the terrorist attack, I

:14:10. > :14:18.think it's very good for us and it was a very emotional moment for me.

:14:19. > :14:25.It was very, you know, like heart-beating. The whole stage was

:14:26. > :14:30.with them and it was very good. I think this is a good thing for us to

:14:31. > :14:36.see them again because they come back and we are here, we are here to

:14:37. > :14:58.sing again and life is going on. Thanks for getting in touch about

:14:59. > :15:01.Tyson Fury. Some of you are cross about hope phobic comments and what

:15:02. > :15:06.you regard as sexist comments as well. We are going to talk to his

:15:07. > :15:11.uncle and trainer just after ten. Do get in touch and you can have a chat

:15:12. > :15:15.with him. E-mail from Janet, nominating this dreadful man is a

:15:16. > :15:22.disgrace. Total failure as a human being. Why does the BBC want to

:15:23. > :15:28.align itself with someone like this, giving him a platform to broadcast

:15:29. > :15:32.is unforgiveable. This is a tweet from Jack, he's a bigot, get him

:15:33. > :15:37.off, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned. Mark on Twitter says

:15:38. > :15:42.freedom of speech is vital. Alloy people to decide through the voting

:15:43. > :15:46.system. Ian West on Twitter says, what was sexist about saying someone

:15:47. > :15:52.looked good in a dress? Time for people to grow up. If you missed

:15:53. > :15:55.that, he said that Jessica Ennis-Hill slapped up good and

:15:56. > :16:01.looked good in a dress. If you want to talk to us, do put on your text,

:16:02. > :16:17.e-mail or tweet, call me and we'll do our best to call you back.

:16:18. > :16:20.We'll be speaking to Tara Hudson, a transgender woman sentenced to 12

:16:21. > :16:22.weeks in an all-male prison who says she was repeatedly propositioned

:16:23. > :16:27.by male prisoners and feared she might be raped.

:16:28. > :16:32.First it's the main news this morning.

:16:33. > :16:34.South African paralympian Oscar Pistorius has been granted

:16:35. > :16:36.bail after being found guilty of murdering his girlfriend

:16:37. > :16:39.The judge extended his house arrest until a sentencing

:16:40. > :16:46.Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

:16:47. > :16:48.of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

:16:49. > :16:51.16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

:16:52. > :16:58.US Presidential contender Donald Trump calls for Muslims to be banned

:16:59. > :17:00.from entering the country in the wake of the California shootings.

:17:01. > :17:03.The White House condemned his remarks while rival Republican

:17:04. > :17:13.Donald J Trump is calling for a total

:17:14. > :17:15.and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our

:17:16. > :17:24.country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!

:17:25. > :17:46.A hospital trust has apologised for placing a do not resuscitate order

:17:47. > :17:50.on a patient. The family only found after he was discharged from

:17:51. > :17:55.hospital in Margate in 2011. Those are the headlines.

:17:56. > :18:00.The sport now and here is Olly. Good morning. You feel that football

:18:01. > :18:04.is really going to dominate the agenda. Last night we had the FA Cup

:18:05. > :18:14.third round draw. That's always one of the most anticipated moments of

:18:15. > :18:26.the season. Not many non-league sides left. Just the four. White

:18:27. > :18:32.Hawks have a plum draw at Everton. There are four British teams in the

:18:33. > :18:37.Champions League. By tomorrow night, there could be just the one,

:18:38. > :18:42.Manchester United, have to win tonight to reach the knock-out

:18:43. > :18:47.stage. It is a crunch time for the women at the hockey finals. We will

:18:48. > :18:51.hear from one of their stars who hasn't played since winning a bronze

:18:52. > :18:56.medal at the London Olympics in 2012. BBC Wales had their Sports

:18:57. > :19:03.Personality of the Year awards last night. Rugby union fly-half Dan

:19:04. > :19:10.Bigger taking the prize to cap a brilliant year for him. That's

:19:11. > :19:14.coming up at 10am. Carol will bring you the details

:19:15. > :19:20.about the weather because more rain is expected. So many people are face

:19:21. > :19:27.ago nightmare because of the flooding caused by Storm Desmond.

:19:28. > :19:29.Helen Williamson and her family live in Cockermouth

:19:30. > :19:32.in Cumbria which has been flooded three times in the last ten years.

:19:33. > :19:46.The yard is pretty much clear. I have got a couple of puddles in it,

:19:47. > :19:51.a good thick inch of river sludge, whatever it maybe.

:19:52. > :19:55.I have not been out on to the main street. I don't know what it is

:19:56. > :20:09.going to be. So let's go and have a look. Yes, no river anymore. Just a

:20:10. > :20:15.whole lot of sludge. Pretty devastated really. What a mess. This

:20:16. > :20:23.is from inside the sweetie shop that's next door to us. All the nice

:20:24. > :20:27.biscuits. And all the lovely Christmas hampers. Everything has

:20:28. > :20:34.been washed off that bottom floor. This is Julie trying to get things

:20:35. > :20:42.sorted out and this is June and poor June and June is out of her house as

:20:43. > :20:47.well. She has been flooded out of her house in Victoria Court. And all

:20:48. > :20:52.the lovely display and all this is going to have to go because it is

:20:53. > :20:59.contaminated. It is a shame. This is the butcher's. As you can see,

:21:00. > :21:06.everything is spoiled. All the refrigeration has to go out. A big

:21:07. > :21:10.clean up in order. All those Christmas turkeys, all that

:21:11. > :21:15.Christmas stock, here is Mr Harrison now. What are you going to do about

:21:16. > :21:20.Christmas now? What's going to happen with Christmas. I will be

:21:21. > :21:23.open tomorrow. Good. Excellent. This is Jonty and Fiona's shop again.

:21:24. > :21:28.There is a little bit of water there and it is sludge all the way back.

:21:29. > :21:37.This is Fiona and this is Jonty. What's the next step? Well...

:21:38. > :21:46.Dehumid fires and cleaners and start moving the damaged stock out. Later

:21:47. > :21:55.this morning, we will be open for business. All the children's wellies

:21:56. > :22:02.and things from the window display. This is the counter all destroyed

:22:03. > :22:07.and the lovely pyjamas ruined. What a shame. This is our lovely local

:22:08. > :22:14.bookshop on main street. And this corner bit is where all the

:22:15. > :22:19.children's books are. On a Wednesday morning, this area here which has

:22:20. > :22:25.been cleaned up already beautifully is where all our toddlers sit and

:22:26. > :22:29.they have their story time on a Wednesday morning and it is horrible

:22:30. > :22:33.to see everything in a state of disarray and everything ruined and

:22:34. > :22:36.all the lovely stock they had in for Christmas. It is a sad sign,

:22:37. > :22:39.especially when it is children's books, but there is lots and lots

:22:40. > :22:44.and lots of helpers. Everyone is coming to help out which is nice and

:22:45. > :22:52.it is actually quite typical of Cockermouth. This is the newsagents.

:22:53. > :23:01.Look, they have cleaned up and they are all ready for business already.

:23:02. > :23:07.That's absolutely amazing. Thank you very much, Helen for doing that for

:23:08. > :23:14.us. Let's talk to Jo and Julia Clifford

:23:15. > :23:18.and Jonty, the toy shop owner from Cockermouth and the Mayor of

:23:19. > :23:22.Tewkesbury. Tewkesbury experienced really bad flooding in 2007 and we

:23:23. > :23:28.thought we would bring you together so John in a moment, you could, you

:23:29. > :23:33.know, if you felt able, talk to Jonty and Jo and Julia about what to

:23:34. > :23:37.do. Julia and Jo, you have been running this fitness centre in

:23:38. > :23:41.Carlisle for eight years. What state is it in now? Well, unfortunately,

:23:42. > :23:46.we haven't been able to get down there yet this morning. I do know

:23:47. > :23:53.that all, we are in the worst hit area of Carlisle. The water was

:23:54. > :23:57.pumped out last night. So a couple of other people that have businesses

:23:58. > :24:02.down there are down there now so until I can actually get down, we

:24:03. > :24:05.are on our way down as soon as we finish with you, the water was up to

:24:06. > :24:09.the ceiling so we have lost absolutely everything in our

:24:10. > :24:14.business. We know that, but until we get down there today, I guess we

:24:15. > :24:20.won't see if there is anything we can salvage at all. Are you Julia or

:24:21. > :24:26.Jo? I'm Julia. Nice to talk to you. Jo, are you insured? Well, we have

:24:27. > :24:31.got the basic insurance. However, when we were asked about, if we

:24:32. > :24:35.wanted to take out flood insurance because of the floods in 2005, we

:24:36. > :24:39.are in the biggest dip I guess in the city, it was really expensive

:24:40. > :24:42.and we thought it will never happen again. Well, we were told it would

:24:43. > :24:46.never happen again by the Environment Agency. It is once in

:24:47. > :24:49.100 years. I think most of the small businesses around there have said

:24:50. > :24:52.no, because the insurance was really expensive, being a high risk area.

:24:53. > :24:59.No, we are not insured against floods. I know you say you haven't

:25:00. > :25:03.been down there yet, Julia, can you give us an estimate of how much this

:25:04. > :25:12.flood will have cost in terms of damage to your business?

:25:13. > :25:16.Well, the entire business, I guess. We're lucky inasmuch as we have 100

:25:17. > :25:21.plus members and we have managed to contact every single one of them via

:25:22. > :25:26.phone yesterday. We spent the best part of eight hours on the phone

:25:27. > :25:31.calling our members and every single member, because we're small, and

:25:32. > :25:36.intimate, and we give the personalised care they have all

:25:37. > :25:41.agreed to stand by us, we have got on our Facebook meet you down there

:25:42. > :25:45.at 11.30am for the major clean-up, if we estimated on our machines and

:25:46. > :25:52.computers and everything else, maybe 25, ?30,000. ?25,000, ?30,000.

:25:53. > :25:57.That's a nightmare the that's an absolute nightmare. You sound really

:25:58. > :26:01.pragmatic. But this must be incredibly stressful? Well, we

:26:02. > :26:02.haven't slept for the best part of three days hence looking like this,

:26:03. > :26:10.but I think the fact that I have to three days hence looking like this,

:26:11. > :26:14.say first of all the human side of this is... Community spirit.

:26:15. > :26:20.Community spirit. We're southerners, but we have been adopted up here for

:26:21. > :26:26.the last eight years is phenomenal as usual it is the small people on

:26:27. > :26:30.the ground that are the ones that have been phenomenal and given, you

:26:31. > :26:33.know, I just want to see right now what the council and the Government

:26:34. > :26:37.are going to do about this, you know, there is plenty of resources

:26:38. > :26:41.when it comes to other countries that are affected in, you know,

:26:42. > :26:45.tragedies, or plenty of resources when it comes to bombing other

:26:46. > :26:53.countries. So I just hope to god that the Government do something for

:26:54. > :26:56.us for a change. OK. Jonty, it is astonishing that you're

:26:57. > :27:04.opening later today. That's fantastic.

:27:05. > :27:07.Well, we didn't get fully hit, we only got two-and-a-half three foot

:27:08. > :27:15.and we went through this six years ago. We are quite experienced. We

:27:16. > :27:19.know what we're doing. We were on the phones as soon as the water

:27:20. > :27:23.starting coming in. We have got the carpets coming up behind me as we

:27:24. > :27:27.speak and as soon as that's done and it is safe for people to come back

:27:28. > :27:31.in, the doors will be open. It is the support of the community that

:27:32. > :27:35.gives you the strength and we're lucky too because it is just our

:27:36. > :27:39.business. Our home is not flooded. We have friends and customers who

:27:40. > :27:43.are staring at sodden walls and wondering where to start this

:27:44. > :27:47.morning. So, you have to count your blessings really. Do you mind me

:27:48. > :27:54.asking if you're insured, Jonty? I am. I'm lucky. But a lot of

:27:55. > :27:59.businesses aren't and a lot of householders aren't, not because

:28:00. > :28:05.they didn't want to be, but because the premiums were either

:28:06. > :28:07.unaffordable or not even offered and the Government's flood Re Scheme,

:28:08. > :28:11.they have taken six years to get it into operation, it will start next

:28:12. > :28:16.year, but for everyone flooded in Cumbria, that's 12 months too late.

:28:17. > :28:19.It certainly is. John, welcome. These kind of stories must sound

:28:20. > :28:24.really familiar to you. You had three-and-a-half feet of water in

:28:25. > :28:28.your house back in 2007. Are you able to give some practical advice

:28:29. > :28:34.particularly to Jo and Julia who have not experienced this before?

:28:35. > :28:39.I don't think I feel it would be impertinent to give them advice

:28:40. > :28:45.really, but just to tell you about our experience. We were insured

:28:46. > :28:50.thank god, but the insurance premiums doubled afterwards and so

:28:51. > :28:56.did the amount we had to pay before we got the money from them. But the

:28:57. > :29:02.cost to us in 2007, the total cost of the flood was over ?60,000

:29:03. > :29:06.because the whole of the bottom part of our house was wiped out. I would

:29:07. > :29:09.echo exactly what everybody says about community feeling. In

:29:10. > :29:14.Tewkesbury what made it wonderful, it was a dreadful experience, but

:29:15. > :29:18.what made it possible to live through and made it quite positive

:29:19. > :29:22.was the extraordinary atmosphere the town had and I'm sure that seems to

:29:23. > :29:27.be the case in Cockermouth and places in Cumbria. How long did it

:29:28. > :29:35.take? How long did it take you to get back on your feet as it were?

:29:36. > :29:40.Well, we were living upstairs, it was like being a student at the age

:29:41. > :29:47.of 58! We lived upstairs in a couple of bedrooms for nearly eight months.

:29:48. > :29:50.So it was quite interesting. Interesting is a diplomatic word you

:29:51. > :29:57.are awes using. What was it really like? Well, it was stressful. To be

:29:58. > :29:59.perfectly honest, it was ghastly. I got used to Marks Spencer's ready

:30:00. > :30:04.meals because we didn't have a cooker! I quite liked their ready

:30:05. > :30:08.meals, but I don't know if I am allowed to say it on the BBC! Of

:30:09. > :30:12.course, you are. Don't be daft. But a lot of people in Tewkesbury were

:30:13. > :30:17.forced into caravans and some people forced to live out of town and the

:30:18. > :30:22.place became a kind of hotspot for every cowboy builder in the country

:30:23. > :30:25.with which is a danger because you are desperate to get people to do

:30:26. > :30:29.things, you end up with some builders, not all, we were lucky we

:30:30. > :30:32.had a good builder, but some builders are dreadful and that's

:30:33. > :30:38.something to be conscious of, I think.

:30:39. > :30:42.Jo, Julia, you have got to be it in for the long haul, clearly? Oh,

:30:43. > :30:47.absolutely and we do appreciate this is going to take sometime. And like

:30:48. > :30:52.I said, you know, I have already been in touch with the British

:30:53. > :30:57.Chamber of Commerce and Cumbria growth hub, they have promised there

:30:58. > :31:02.will be some sort of support and advice for small businesses because

:31:03. > :31:06.it is as usual, you know, it is the small businesses affected because as

:31:07. > :31:09.everybody clearly stated nobody can afford if you're running a small

:31:10. > :31:12.business, nobody can afford the premiums that the insurance

:31:13. > :31:13.companies take advantage of once this has happened in a particular

:31:14. > :31:23.area. Briefly, what would it have cost you

:31:24. > :31:30.per month to get insurance? About ?175 on top of what we'd pay. So

:31:31. > :31:34.over the time, that is a lot of money. Can I add something. It's

:31:35. > :31:39.going to take longer than you think to get back into your premises.

:31:40. > :31:42.Start looking for alternative premises, get new sqiment on short

:31:43. > :31:46.leases because the most valuable asset you have is your membership,

:31:47. > :31:49.the community of your membership, and that is not just an asset from

:31:50. > :31:55.the work point of view but they will support you. So try and get up and

:31:56. > :31:59.running somewhere else, Cumbria County, the nuclear partners, all of

:32:00. > :32:03.them are coming forward with schemes to offer temporary premises to

:32:04. > :32:07.people, so they're people that really this morning you should be

:32:08. > :32:12.trying to get in touch with. Thank you, Johnny, that is very much

:32:13. > :32:19.appreciated, thank you -- onty. Thank you very much all of you --

:32:20. > :32:26.Jonty. The town is having its Taste Cumbria

:32:27. > :32:27.weekend, which is going ahead. Business as usual. Thank you very

:32:28. > :32:31.much. Still to come today, Donald Trump,

:32:32. > :32:35.one of the men hoping to be the next US President has said that Muslims

:32:36. > :32:38.should be banned from entering the US until the authorities can,

:32:39. > :32:42.as he puts it, "figure out" A transgender woman sent to

:32:43. > :32:49.an all-male prison has told this programme she was frightened she was

:32:50. > :32:52.going to be raped inside with male prisoners asking

:32:53. > :32:56.her for sexual favours. 26-year-old Tara Hudson was

:32:57. > :32:58.jailed for 12 weeks after she She was moved to a female prison

:32:59. > :33:04.after a petition calling for her to be relocated, gathered

:33:05. > :33:07.more than 150,000 signatures. She told me what life was

:33:08. > :33:33.like inside prison. It was a bad experience. You asked

:33:34. > :33:42.me because obviously I was there for six weeks. What happened with the

:33:43. > :33:47.male inmates? It was really, really scary. In what way? Well, I didn't

:33:48. > :33:53.know what they were going to do to me. I feared being raped. I was

:33:54. > :33:58.subject to sexual harassment. It was really difficult for me. Right. What

:33:59. > :34:02.kind of things, if you don't mind me asking, would other inmates say to

:34:03. > :34:11.you? They would want me to show my bust. And did you complain to the

:34:12. > :34:16.authorities? I wasn't given the opportunity. The officers didn't

:34:17. > :34:20.care much. When you were told you were going to this particular jail,

:34:21. > :34:34.which is a jail for men, what was your reaction? Fear and shock. I

:34:35. > :34:39.didn't think it would happen to me. But did you say, I'm Tara, I

:34:40. > :34:45.identify as a woman and have done for over half a decade? I did. When

:34:46. > :34:50.they brought me down from the dock, I told them, I'm transgender, you

:34:51. > :34:56.know, how are we going to deal with the situation, because at first they

:34:57. > :35:02.told me I was going to a female prison and I didn't end up there.

:35:03. > :35:14.I ended up at the male prison. And the officers would call you Mister?

:35:15. > :35:19.They would call me Mister Tara Hudson which I've not heard the

:35:20. > :35:27.phrase Mister in such a long time, I was outraged and so angry. I was

:35:28. > :35:31.angry because of the hypocrisy of it all. You were sent to prison because

:35:32. > :35:35.you are still legal hi a man that,'s what it says on your birth

:35:36. > :35:41.certificate. You still have a penis, you are still legally a man? Yes.

:35:42. > :35:43.And you don't have a gender recognition certificate? I guess so.

:35:44. > :35:51.What I'm Capel paining for at the recognition certificate? I guess so.

:35:52. > :35:54.moment is for the change of the gender certificates -- campaigning

:35:55. > :35:59.for. You want it scrapped? Updated. In what way? In the '80s,

:36:00. > :36:05.transgender people were a lot less likely to come out of the closet and

:36:06. > :36:11.they would live their lives as male, but it's 2015, transgender is in the

:36:12. > :36:16.Spotlight, we're here and people can see we're here, so why should I have

:36:17. > :36:22.to jump through so many hoops to identify who I am? In a legal sense?

:36:23. > :36:29.I know who I am, I don't need to sit in front of a board and prove to

:36:30. > :36:32.these people who I am. For the certificate, it's, you have to prove

:36:33. > :36:36.that you have been living as a female for over two years. They can

:36:37. > :36:41.look on my Facebook and see that I've been living as a female for

:36:42. > :36:45.over half a decade. If you didn't have the certificate though, if it

:36:46. > :36:48.was scrapped which is what you are now going to campaign for, I wonder

:36:49. > :36:52.if the system could be open to abuse, somebody could say, a man

:36:53. > :36:57.could say they are a transgender woman in order to be sent to a

:36:58. > :37:03.female prison? This is why I said to you before that there should be a GP

:37:04. > :37:06.involved, of course, most definitely, but there doesn't have

:37:07. > :37:13.to be the gender recognition certificate. A GP can clarify

:37:14. > :37:20.whether that person is, what gender role they are living in, you know.

:37:21. > :37:25.There are no official figure force the numbers of transgender people in

:37:26. > :37:30.jail but it's thought to be around 80, something like that. Over the

:37:31. > :37:35.last couple of months, two other male-to-female trans-prisoners were

:37:36. > :37:46.found dead in all-male jails. How do you respond to that? Sorry, my eyes

:37:47. > :37:52.well up because I think about those two girls that committed suicide and

:37:53. > :38:00.I was close myself but I was a tough person and I made it through. If you

:38:01. > :38:06.want to keep persecuting transgender people and you want to keep pushing

:38:07. > :38:10.them to the edge where they want to take their own lives and where they

:38:11. > :38:12.are taking their own lives, carry on with the gender recognition

:38:13. > :38:16.certificate, but it's not how it should be.

:38:17. > :38:30.Thank you very much for talking to us.

:38:31. > :38:55.A Prison Service spokesperson told us:

:38:56. > :39:09.A petition reaches 91,000 names to remove Tyson Fury from the BBC

:39:10. > :39:12.Sports personality of the year list, the numbers are going up. Text from

:39:13. > :39:16.Phil, I don't agree, but he's the only one with a personality, the

:39:17. > :39:19.others are robot who is say what others want to hear. A texter says,

:39:20. > :39:23.it's about time someone had the nerve to speak his mind, sick of

:39:24. > :39:28.this mittically correct nonsense and all the lefty idiots that promote

:39:29. > :39:33.it. John e-mails, Tyson's opinions are just that, his opinions. Spotty

:39:34. > :39:37.is about recognising sporting achievements and personalities. To

:39:38. > :39:43.those offended, it's not his fault you are offended, it's yours, I will

:39:44. > :39:49.vote for Tyson as he's shown not only is he a sporting legend, he per

:39:50. > :39:53.sizes his right to freedom of speech and opinions and he's willing to

:39:54. > :39:59.back his speeches all the way instead of doing a political U-turn.

:40:00. > :40:03.Another says, his name must appear on the short list so the population

:40:04. > :40:08.can decide, controlling the list of candidates is the tactic of

:40:09. > :40:12.dictatorships. If you want to talk to us about Tyson, write on your

:40:13. > :40:15.text, e-mail or Tweet, call me, and that is what we'll do.

:40:16. > :40:19.A Hospital Trust has apologised for placing a "Do Not Resuscitate"

:40:20. > :40:22.order against the name of a patient with Down's Syndrome.

:40:23. > :40:31.Our Health Correspondent Jane Dreaper can tell us more.

:40:32. > :40:38.I've had a lot of people get in touch about this in shock. Andrew

:40:39. > :40:42.Waters went into hospital in Margate in 2011. He had tell men that. He

:40:43. > :40:47.was around 50 years of age and need add special tube to help with his

:40:48. > :40:51.feeding, but he'd had a good quality of life, lots of hobbies and enjoyed

:40:52. > :40:55.doing some paid work as well. His family spoke so warmly about the

:40:56. > :41:00.life he'd enjoyed. They only found out about the order saying he

:41:01. > :41:04.shouldn't be resuscitated once he was discharged from hospital, one of

:41:05. > :41:08.his carers found the form folded up in his bag and it listed his Down's

:41:09. > :41:12.Syndrome and learning difficulties among the reasons for that

:41:13. > :41:17.resuscitation notice. The family were horrified. His brother Michael

:41:18. > :41:24.told me about the family's reaction to finding the resuscitation notice.

:41:25. > :41:30.For someone to make that decision without actually consulting a member

:41:31. > :41:33.of the family or any one of his carers was just totally

:41:34. > :41:39.unacceptable. No-one has the right to make such a decision in such a

:41:40. > :41:44.disgraceful way. To put those reasons down, no-one deserves that

:41:45. > :41:49.and, you know, there was nothing wrong with his health really at the

:41:50. > :41:52.time that would have any effect on resuscitation. People with Down's

:41:53. > :41:56.Syndrome, they are no different from anybody else at the end of the day,

:41:57. > :42:05.they deserve the right to live like you and I would. Like I say, there

:42:06. > :42:15.are a lot of people out there that really don't understand the feelings

:42:16. > :42:19.or what they experience. With Andrew, he couldn't tell you when he

:42:20. > :42:24.was ill, he couldn't even tell you if he had a cold or sore throat, you

:42:25. > :42:30.know, he couldn't say, I don't feel very well, because they don't give

:42:31. > :42:35.that away. Looking back now, do you feel this case has sort of proved

:42:36. > :42:41.something to yourselves as a family and to the wider world about the

:42:42. > :42:46.family of Andrew's life -- about Andrew's life? I hope so, because

:42:47. > :42:52.they bring a lot of joy and happiness. You can't take that away

:42:53. > :42:58.from anybody at the end of the day. Andrew, you know, never ever had a

:42:59. > :43:02.bad word to say about anyone, he was always happy go-lucky, you know,

:43:03. > :43:09.made everybody smile, everybody that he came across, always had a smile

:43:10. > :43:15.for him. He was probably the happiest person I ever knew.

:43:16. > :43:19.The motivation behind these orders can often be a well-meaning one.

:43:20. > :43:23.They often want to spare patients from what can be a brutal process

:43:24. > :43:29.and of course resuscitation doesn't always work, but in this case it

:43:30. > :43:33.really upset the family because his health wasn't in any imminent danger

:43:34. > :43:37.and they felt as though he'd been written off when they were not

:43:38. > :43:42.consulted about the case. The lawyer that's pursued this case says it

:43:43. > :43:46.underlines that if a patient such as Andrew doesn't have capacity to make

:43:47. > :43:50.their own decisions, doctors and medical staff must talk to the

:43:51. > :43:54.family, the carers. Other cases have underlined that, once again we see

:43:55. > :43:55.it in the courts and let's hope the hospitals follow suit.

:43:56. > :43:57.Thank you very much. In a statement,

:43:58. > :44:26.East Kent Hospitals University NHS It's coming up 2010 o'clock which

:44:27. > :44:33.means it's time for the weather. It's even more important isn't it,

:44:34. > :44:38.Phil? -- up 2010 o'clock. It looks scenic here in Cumbria

:44:39. > :44:42.until you look closely. Quite dark, but blimey. You can see the tide

:44:43. > :44:48.line on that particular residence as well. So despite the blue skies,

:44:49. > :44:56.yes, we were in record territory. The headline was made yesterday

:44:57. > :45:04.lunch time When we had the figures in, Honister made the 24-hour

:45:05. > :45:10.record. Can I have that in feet? About 30-odd inches, so 2'6"ish.

:45:11. > :45:18.OK. I want to put it in historical

:45:19. > :45:21.context. There is the new record, 24 hour totals remember, and some of

:45:22. > :45:34.these events were longer. In 2009, just down the road from Honister,

:45:35. > :45:39.216, but 180 mill metres. Everybody said that was a once in a lifetime.

:45:40. > :45:43.Everybody said it could be at risk from further episodes, that is when

:45:44. > :45:49.the flood defences were beefed up. But if, and I don't know the context

:45:50. > :45:54.of this, but if you were working on that basis, you then begin to see

:45:55. > :45:58.the context of where we are now, hence the difficulties. Again, I

:45:59. > :46:02.make no excuses for anybody in this, but you can see the problem about,

:46:03. > :46:08.how big are the defences, where do they go and on which river. You

:46:09. > :46:12.think about the topography of the Cumbrian fells and I want to further

:46:13. > :46:16.contextualise this, if I may bring you up-to-date with what happened

:46:17. > :46:21.overnight, because this is further rainfall, a weather front moving

:46:22. > :46:33.through the area. That produced 15-20mm or so.

:46:34. > :46:39.The last of that rain hanging on as we speak. Brighter skies follow on

:46:40. > :46:43.behind, but on this bigger picture, you get the sense that we have

:46:44. > :46:46.further pretty hefty showers to be had across western parts. They will

:46:47. > :46:49.be there this afternoon across the moors of the south-west, but

:46:50. > :46:52.generally a fresher feel to the day, despite the fact that some

:46:53. > :46:56.temperatures are good for the time of year. From North Wales,

:46:57. > :46:59.northwards and up into the north-west of England and through

:47:00. > :47:03.Northern Ireland for a time, and certainly across the western side of

:47:04. > :47:07.Scotland here, the showers ganging together to give longer spells of

:47:08. > :47:11.rain and maybe snow above 300 or 400 meters and we are looking at the

:47:12. > :47:15.potential for the odd rumble of thunder. It is not without sunshine,

:47:16. > :47:24.it is a half decent day provided you don't get caught with the showers.

:47:25. > :47:27.And then a new area of cloud and rain coming back in helping to lift

:47:28. > :47:32.the temperatures later in the night. As you step out first thing, it

:47:33. > :47:35.won't be as chilly as you expect. This is persistent rain and it is

:47:36. > :47:43.coming in the form of weather fronts and notice the number of isobars

:47:44. > :47:47.there. This is more significant rain. Over

:47:48. > :47:52.the higher ground of the north-west of England and Western Scotland we

:47:53. > :47:55.could be looking at 80 mill meet he is and that's why this is the

:47:56. > :48:00.greatest concern of the week, but not quite the same beast. There is

:48:01. > :48:04.movement here. I'm taking you through Thursday, the last of the

:48:05. > :48:07.mild air trapped in the south. What follows behind, brighter, fresher

:48:08. > :48:12.conditions, a greater chance of snow fall on the Scottish hills. Again

:48:13. > :48:15.above a few hundred meters. There is quite a bit going on. Wednesday is

:48:16. > :48:19.the day of concern. There will be rain at times. It will be windy

:48:20. > :48:23.especially on Wednesday. It will turn cooler as we move towards the

:48:24. > :48:30.later part of the week. If you have got any concerns at all, we have our

:48:31. > :48:35.weather website. When you see the red boxes on there, that's where you

:48:36. > :48:38.can get the latest because we never close on the weather warnings and on

:48:39. > :48:41.the flood warnings. So we're keeping a close eye on the weather

:48:42. > :48:52.situation. If it is relevant to you, I hope you do too.

:48:53. > :48:54.Hello. It's just after 10am. It's Tuesday.

:48:55. > :48:57.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:48:58. > :49:00.American Presidential hopeful, Donald Trump is slammed from all

:49:01. > :49:04.sides after saying Muslims should be banned from entering the country.

:49:05. > :49:12.Donald Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims

:49:13. > :49:13.entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure

:49:14. > :49:17.out what the hell is going on. We'll have reaction to

:49:18. > :49:19.his outburst and ask whether some US Over 90,000 people have signed

:49:20. > :49:25.a petition to remove boxer Tyson Fury from the BBC's Sports

:49:26. > :49:27.Personality of the Year shortlist. So should his controversial comments

:49:28. > :49:48.affect the recognition he receives Tyson Fury makes history. He becomes

:49:49. > :49:54.the first from a gypsy travellers background to win one of the most

:49:55. > :50:02.coveted prizes in sport, the self-styled gypsy king is the

:50:03. > :50:07.heavyweight champion of the world. We will talk to Tyson Fury's uncle

:50:08. > :50:08.and trainer shortly. More heavy rain is on the way -

:50:09. > :50:12.the last thing those whose homes have been destroyed in the floods,

:50:13. > :50:20.want to hear. As usual it is the small people on

:50:21. > :50:23.the ground are the ones who have been phenomenal and given, you

:50:24. > :50:26.notion I just want to see right now what the council and the Government

:50:27. > :50:31.are going to do about this, you know, there is plenty of resources

:50:32. > :50:35.when it comes to other countries that are affected in tragedies or

:50:36. > :50:41.plenty of resources when it comes to bombing other countries. So I just

:50:42. > :50:48.hope to god that the Government do something for us for a change.

:50:49. > :50:53.Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

:50:54. > :50:56.of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

:50:57. > :50:59.16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

:51:00. > :51:25.Oscar peus storious's lawyer said he will appeal his murder conviction.

:51:26. > :51:36.The accused submit to the house arrest and may leave the house

:51:37. > :51:41.between 7am and 12 midday. He is only allowed to travel within the

:51:42. > :51:48.radius of 20 kilometres from the house.

:51:49. > :51:50.US Presidential contender Donald Trump calls for Muslims to be banned

:51:51. > :51:53.from entering the country in the wake of the California shootings.

:51:54. > :51:55.The White House condemned his remarks while rival Republican

:51:56. > :51:59.A hospital trust has apologised for placing a "do not resuscitate" order

:52:00. > :52:04.The family of Andrew Waters was not consulted or informed and found out

:52:05. > :52:11.only after he was discharged from hospital in Margate in 2011.

:52:12. > :52:14.Only three police forces in England and Wales are fully prepared to

:52:15. > :52:19.combat so-called honour-based crimes like forced marriage

:52:20. > :52:21.and female genital mutilation according to an official report.

:52:22. > :52:23.Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said well-trained

:52:24. > :52:30.officers capable of spotting victims were thin on the ground.

:52:31. > :52:35.Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Olly.

:52:36. > :52:37.We had the draw for the third round of the FA Cup

:52:38. > :52:40.last night, that's when the top teams find out who they've got.

:52:41. > :52:42.The holders Arsenal will face another Premier

:52:43. > :52:44.Eastleigh are the only non-league side definitely

:52:45. > :52:50.The three other minnows still standing have all got second round

:52:51. > :52:54.replays to get past, Whitehawk have the greatest incentive.

:52:55. > :53:01.The Brighton based club, that play in the sixth tier

:53:02. > :53:15.The winner of the replay will have a trip to Premier League Everton.

:53:16. > :53:21.I wanted the reds, but we got the blues. It is a tough, tough game to

:53:22. > :53:26.get through and with Dagenham as well, they are going to fancy their

:53:27. > :53:29.chances big time. It is a massive carrot for whoever gets through.

:53:30. > :53:34.Everybody is going to want to play in that game. It is 50/50 and it is

:53:35. > :53:36.the best on the day and whoever gets through and it will be a tough test

:53:37. > :53:38.to get past them. So a trip to Goodison the prize,

:53:39. > :53:41.there was a match there last night and Romelu Lukaku scored

:53:42. > :53:43.his 50th goal for Everton in It was the equaliser against Crystal

:53:44. > :53:50.Palace in the Premier League. Starting tonight,

:53:51. > :54:01.it's the final round of group Four English teams involved,

:54:02. > :54:06.only Manchester City are sure Both Manchester Clubs are playing

:54:07. > :54:18.tonight, United have to win away I have the experience as a manager

:54:19. > :54:24.that the goals shall come because when you are creating chances at the

:54:25. > :54:29.end you shall score and finish that kind of chances and that's why we

:54:30. > :54:32.have that belief and it is a matter of time.

:54:33. > :54:36.Great Britain's women don't have to beat Australia at the Hockey World

:54:37. > :54:41.League finals to get out of their group, but it would avoid

:54:42. > :54:45.They're yet to win a match at the tournament in

:54:46. > :54:48.Argentina, but this afternoon's game marks a comeback for Christa Cullen.

:54:49. > :54:51.She retired after winning a bronze medal with the team at the London

:54:52. > :54:54.Olympics, she went off to work in animal conservation in Kenya, she

:54:55. > :55:06.It is not a position any athlete year and this will be her first

:55:07. > :55:10.It is not a position any athlete wants to be in sitting on the

:55:11. > :55:13.sidelines watching the girls play and frustrated is an under

:55:14. > :55:16.statement, but at the same time, you know, it is where I was at. I have

:55:17. > :55:18.got to accept it. Get on the pitch and really do my bit for the time.

:55:19. > :55:23.That's what they expect from me. The Wales rugby union fly-half

:55:24. > :55:26.Dan Biggar is the BBC Wales Sports He's had a fantastic year, playing a

:55:27. > :55:32.key role at the World Cup as Wales His

:55:33. > :55:35.kicking was the difference in the victory against England Biggar, who

:55:36. > :55:38.has a rather quirky kicking routine, also shone during the Six Nations

:55:39. > :55:41.where Wales just missed out on the title to Ireland despite

:55:42. > :55:56.winning four matches out of five. That's all your sport. I will be

:55:57. > :56:01.back with the headlines at 10.30am. You have been telling us whether you

:56:02. > :56:06.want Britain's new heavy world champion to be dropped from the

:56:07. > :56:13.shortlist of the BBC Sports Personality of the Year.

:56:14. > :56:15.Tyson Fury has been criticised for sexist and homophobic comments.

:56:16. > :56:18.On women he has said, "I believe a woman's best place is

:56:19. > :56:21.He also compared homosexuality to paedophilia saying,

:56:22. > :56:24."There are only three things that need to be accomplished

:56:25. > :56:27.One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries.

:56:28. > :56:30.One of them is abortion and the other one's paedophilia.

:56:31. > :56:32.Who would have thought in the 1950s and 1960s that those

:56:33. > :56:36.Effectively saying that if those three things were legalised,

:56:37. > :56:58.On Jessica Ennis-Hill he said she looks good when she has a dress on.

:56:59. > :57:02.If it is about personality, I should win this hands down. If it is about

:57:03. > :57:05.sporting achievements I should win this hands down. There has been no

:57:06. > :57:11.other heavyweight in a long, long, long time or boxer from England who

:57:12. > :57:14.has been to a super champions back yard, the reigning heavyweight

:57:15. > :57:17.champion of the world for 11 years who is going down in history as one

:57:18. > :57:22.of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time in people's opinions and

:57:23. > :57:25.I have been to Germany and his own back garden and dethroned him and

:57:26. > :57:30.I'm representing Great Britain and Ireland. There has never ever been

:57:31. > :57:36.that before, so that's an achievement that will never ever be

:57:37. > :57:41.done again. The criticism is about the comments afterwards saying

:57:42. > :57:46.Jessica Ennis-Hill slaps up good, looks good in a dress and a woman's

:57:47. > :57:53.best place is in the kitchen and on her back? Well, I did say that. Can

:57:54. > :58:00.you just rephrase the statement. She looks good when she has got make-up.

:58:01. > :58:04.Is that a crime when I say I think a woman looks good in a dress. The

:58:05. > :58:09.comment is maybe on how Jessica looks rather than on her

:58:10. > :58:12.achievements? I was asked a question about Jessica Ennis and I think she

:58:13. > :58:18.looks fit in a dress. That's my opinion. If there is people who

:58:19. > :58:22.thinks she looks ugly well they should keep their opinion to say

:58:23. > :58:27.themselves. There is another comment. Keep them coming. You say

:58:28. > :58:31.that there are three things that need to be accomplished before the

:58:32. > :58:38.devil comes home meaning I think the devil takes charge of everything and

:58:39. > :58:42.one is home sexuality being legal? Home sexuality and abortion and

:58:43. > :58:47.paedophilia. Them three things need to be accomplished before the world

:58:48. > :58:53.finishes. Now, that's what the Bible tells me, right? So it may take a

:58:54. > :58:57.while before them three things have to be accomplished, but make no

:58:58. > :59:01.mistake, them three things must be accomplished before the world

:59:02. > :59:06.finishes, whether it takes 1,000 years, 2,000, two days, who knows

:59:07. > :59:11.how long it will take. Them three things need to be accomplished,

:59:12. > :59:14.those aren't my opinions, I didn't say that, that's what the Bible

:59:15. > :59:19.tells me. That's all I said. I didn't say I had a problem with

:59:20. > :59:24.homosexuals or abortionists, I didn't say I'm with it or against

:59:25. > :59:26.it, I just stated what I am taught through my scriptures.

:59:27. > :59:38.Thank you for talking to us. It is an outstanding sporting achievement.

:59:39. > :59:45.Unbelievably brilliant. I think everybody agrees on that. What do

:59:46. > :59:49.you think about this petition to remove Tyson's name from the

:59:50. > :59:56.shortlist? It is up to everybody's opinion is

:59:57. > :59:59.how they perceive Tyson, you know, if you're trying to get everybody to

:00:00. > :00:03.like you then it is a poor job, you know. There is a lot of people out

:00:04. > :00:06.there and everybody has got a different opinion, a different view

:00:07. > :00:10.on everybody's comments. It just depends how they view it and they

:00:11. > :00:14.will be for and against winning the competition. So there is not much I

:00:15. > :00:20.can really add to it. Do you think he should be withdrawn from the

:00:21. > :00:25.shortlist? No, I don't think. He gives his opinions. He hasn't got a

:00:26. > :00:30.key in his back, he is not a robot, there is freedom of speech, we're in

:00:31. > :00:33.2015, and you know, if he is offensive, he needs to explain his

:00:34. > :00:37.actions and you know, move on from there, but he is entitled to his

:00:38. > :00:41.opinion just like everybody else has got theirs, it is not against the

:00:42. > :00:44.law. Let me read comments from our viewers watching around the country.

:00:45. > :00:48.Kevin says, "I don't care who wins, but surely people should be allowed

:00:49. > :00:53.to vote for whom ever they wish. After all, it is called sports

:00:54. > :01:06.personality and Tyson's remarks are part of his personality." Martin

:01:07. > :01:10.says, "Tyson Fury deserves award. As for his utterances it should

:01:11. > :01:19.undermine the joy he brought to boxing enthusiasts." And Pat says,

:01:20. > :01:25."The words of Tyson Fury are sick. His achievements as an athlete have

:01:26. > :01:26.been recognised by celebrating his ignorance is totally unacceptable."

:01:27. > :01:38.Is that fair? Well, he's not giving his own

:01:39. > :01:45.opinion. He's going off what the scriptures say. It's the conflating,

:01:46. > :01:50.for some people, of homosexuality and paedophilia. Does he understand

:01:51. > :02:00.how that can be insidious and offensive to some people? I think a

:02:01. > :02:05.lot of things Tyson says and what it means can be read the wrong way. Of

:02:06. > :02:10.course paedophilia is nothing like homosexuality, you know, there's a

:02:11. > :02:15.vast, vast difference, there's no similarities whatsoever. Give us an

:02:16. > :02:22.insight then, Peter, into what he was trying to say?

:02:23. > :02:27.PROBLEM WITH SOUND Homosexuality is an abomination,

:02:28. > :02:30.that is what it states in the Bible. It states abortion is the same and

:02:31. > :02:35.paedophilia with children is the same. Maybe he's come to the

:02:36. > :02:43.assumption himself that, you know, this is what he sees. That is all I

:02:44. > :02:48.can say, but he's not putting them, you know, he's not saying in his own

:02:49. > :02:51.view that homosexuality is anything like paedophilia, you know. Maybe he

:02:52. > :02:54.should refrain from saying that, I think he should and I think he needs

:02:55. > :03:00.to address it properly and explain to the people out there exactly what

:03:01. > :03:07.he does mean. Right. And apologise possibly? Well, yes, if it's coming

:03:08. > :03:11.out exactly like that, that paedophilia is the same as

:03:12. > :03:15.homosexuality, there does need to be some kind of redress.

:03:16. > :03:19.Would he come on the programme and talk about it with a British track

:03:20. > :03:24.and field athlete who, at the moment I'm not going to name, but who's

:03:25. > :03:28.told me that he thinks he should be removed from the short list for

:03:29. > :03:32.Sports Personality of the Year? I think mainly our culture and

:03:33. > :03:38.religions is what it is but everyone's given a free will in this

:03:39. > :03:43.world to do exactly as they want and people's genders, behaviour, should

:03:44. > :03:49.be respected. So if anybody's been put out by these comments, then they

:03:50. > :03:53.should be addressed and Tyson needs to explain exactly what he does mean

:03:54. > :04:00.in-depth. I want to play you this clip. I know you know about this

:04:01. > :04:04.clip, it's an interview with IFL Television where he's talking about

:04:05. > :04:08.an interview he gave with the Mail on Sunday sports journalist Oliver

:04:09. > :04:19.Holt. Our audience may not have seen it, so here it is. Oliver Holt tried

:04:20. > :04:27.to get me into trouble and it didn't work. 6'6" and 25 stone, he's going

:04:28. > :04:30.to break his jaw completely with one straight right hand. I ain't going

:04:31. > :04:34.to do it because I'll get in trouble, but the big fella there,

:04:35. > :04:38.he'll an nigh rate him. So Oliver, take a good look at him, that's the

:04:39. > :04:45.face you are going to see before you hit the deck. I know you say that is

:04:46. > :04:49.a joke, he was joking, Tyson was joking, does it really come across

:04:50. > :04:54.as a joke? It does when you are watching it and see it on IFL when

:04:55. > :05:02.everybody is laughing and making jokes and even what Tyson is saying,

:05:03. > :05:06.you know, I wouldn't get in trouble because somebody else would do it.

:05:07. > :05:11.So the reality and everything else, he's setting off talking sensible,

:05:12. > :05:16.then he breaks into jest. These jesting remarks are being taken

:05:17. > :05:19.somewhat seriously when they shouldn't be, but also Tyson needs

:05:20. > :05:24.to realise now, because some jesting can be taken the other way. He needs

:05:25. > :05:29.to take stock of what he says now and only speak what he really means,

:05:30. > :05:33.rather than joking around. And even more so now he's in this incredibly

:05:34. > :05:37.powerful position in terms of the way people will listen to what he

:05:38. > :05:48.says because of his sporting achievement? Look, you know, I'm his

:05:49. > :05:51.uncle, my personal opinion, homosexuality, abortion,

:05:52. > :05:57.paedophilia, it's not for me, but that's my personal thing. I have

:05:58. > :06:01.nothing against homosexuals or people having abortions, that's up

:06:02. > :06:04.to them, we don't know the circumstances, everything's all

:06:05. > :06:08.about circumstances, so this is a big free world we live in and people

:06:09. > :06:12.should be let to live their own ways. People mainly need to keep

:06:13. > :06:20.their beliefs probably to themselves. Have you told him that?

:06:21. > :06:27.We have had a few discussions and Tyson is his own man and I think

:06:28. > :06:34.he's one of these, Tyson, where it's hard for people to get a grip of his

:06:35. > :06:38.personality. Sometimes what he truly believes comes out the wrong way, so

:06:39. > :06:41.he needs to sit back, think back about what he says and if it's

:06:42. > :06:50.offending people, he needs to actress it. Thank you very much for

:06:51. > :06:51.talking to us. Thanks for Al your comments.

:06:52. > :06:54.Still to come before 11, we'll hear from a woman who lost custody of her

:06:55. > :06:58.daughter - after a Judge ruled the girl should live with her biological

:06:59. > :07:05.One of the men hoping to be the next US President has said that Muslims

:07:06. > :07:08.should be banned from entering the United States including Muslim

:07:09. > :07:13.Donald Trump who is hoping to be the Republican candidate for

:07:14. > :07:16.President called for a "total and complete" shutdown should remain

:07:17. > :07:27.until the US authorities "can figure out" Muslim attitudes to the US.

:07:28. > :07:35.Donald J Trump is calling for a total, complete shutdown of Muslims

:07:36. > :07:37.entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure

:07:38. > :07:47.out what the hell is going on. We have no choice. We have no

:07:48. > :07:51.choice. His comments follow last week's

:07:52. > :07:53.deadly shootings in California where a Muslim couple,

:07:54. > :07:57.believed to have been radicalised, opened fire and killed 14 people

:07:58. > :08:01.at a health centre for disabled Republican Jeb Bush, who's also

:08:02. > :08:06.running for president, described Trump as "unhinged" Another

:08:07. > :08:11.Republican Senator Marco Rubio said the comments were "offensive and

:08:12. > :08:15.outlandish" South Carolina Senator Republic Senator Lindsey Graham

:08:16. > :08:18.called his views "downright dangerous" Whilst the

:08:19. > :08:22.leading Democratic candidate for President Hilary Clinton called

:08:23. > :08:28.it "reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive" Here's some more reaction

:08:29. > :08:31.to Mr Trump's idea from Nihad Awad, who's from the Council on

:08:32. > :08:44.American Islamic Relations. This rhetoric echoes the policies

:08:45. > :08:49.enacted by Nazi Germany against the juice. Have we learnt anything from

:08:50. > :08:57.history, Mr Trump? These are not just words? The mainstreaming of

:08:58. > :09:00.Islamophobia in the election is I think discrimination, hate crimes,

:09:01. > :09:07.violent attacks against Muslims and mosques. This inflammatory rhetoric

:09:08. > :09:09.is putting the lives of millions of American Muslims and their children

:09:10. > :09:18.in danger. She's the spokesperson

:09:19. > :09:32.for Republicans overseas. Kate What do you think of that? He

:09:33. > :09:34.flies on the hoof. He's made some reprehensible statements now and it

:09:35. > :09:41.will be hard for him to go back and it will be hard for him to say that

:09:42. > :09:47.he didn't mean what he said. I think he's in real trouble now. Well, he

:09:48. > :09:52.rarely goes back on what he's said and, before now, people have said, I

:09:53. > :09:56.think he's in real trouble now, his comments continue to get coverage

:09:57. > :10:01.and support? They get coverage and they get support but that support is

:10:02. > :10:04.dwindling. There is a poll out a few hours ago that Senator Ted Cruise is

:10:05. > :10:08.starting to overtake him in the polls which will be the first

:10:09. > :10:15.primary, the first vote, and his poll numbers have been going down.

:10:16. > :10:22.He's still up there, no denying that, but the sensational media fury

:10:23. > :10:26.is dwindling. We are still just at the very beginning of this. On a

:10:27. > :10:31.scale of one to ten, how racist is he? I mean personally, I find his

:10:32. > :10:37.comments reprehensible, I do believe that they are racist and they do not

:10:38. > :10:42.represent moderate Republicans. Ten? Nine, ten, I mean, he said a few

:10:43. > :10:48.months back that Mexican imgrants were rapists and murderers, now he's

:10:49. > :10:53.outdone himself. These comments are equally awful, he continues to make

:10:54. > :11:00.mistakes. I'm not sure I want to give him a ten, we don't know what

:11:01. > :11:04.will come out next. Jeb Bush and mark owe Rubio say positive things

:11:05. > :11:07.about Mexican and hiss tannic immigration, they have come out and

:11:08. > :11:11.said, we have crossed a line, this is not our party. There will be some

:11:12. > :11:19.people in America who agree with Donald Trump and the fact that he's

:11:20. > :11:24.a candidate for your nomination for the next President of America kind

:11:25. > :11:29.of gives those people who believe that about Muslims some sort of

:11:30. > :11:33.confirmation that what they think is right? This is a tough time and I

:11:34. > :11:37.will say that Trump sup importanters aren't just coming from the

:11:38. > :11:41.Republican Party, he's running as Republican, but many supporters are

:11:42. > :11:44.independents and democrats and people have never really been

:11:45. > :11:49.involved in the political process before who feel that politicians

:11:50. > :11:52.don't really represent them. He's been an excellent retaliation vote

:11:53. > :11:55.if you will, for those people. The problem is that he's in this

:11:56. > :11:59.political vacuum where no-one else is stepping up to the plate and his

:12:00. > :12:03.outrageous comments are getting coverage. The people who want to

:12:04. > :12:07.rebel against the political establishment, and I sympathise, are

:12:08. > :12:11.going to him. We need somebody far more moderate than him who can say,

:12:12. > :12:14.look, I'm going to take on the Washington insiders, I'm going to

:12:15. > :12:17.think about people like you in the streets but I'm not going to be

:12:18. > :12:23.awful and bigoted and racist in that process.

:12:24. > :12:27.If you were a Muslim woman in the States right now, would you feel a

:12:28. > :12:34.bit apprehensive wandering around the streets? What would you be

:12:35. > :12:37.thinking? I have great faith in American citizens, I believe

:12:38. > :12:41.Americans to be good people and I have great faith that fellow

:12:42. > :12:44.neighbours and people will not be going out into the streets and

:12:45. > :12:49.attacking people. But certainly if I thought that a man leading in the

:12:50. > :12:53.polls was calling for me to be put into a database because of my

:12:54. > :12:57.ethnicity or religion, calling for me to leave the country and not come

:12:58. > :13:02.back, I would certainly feel uncomfortable. George W Bush a week

:13:03. > :13:06.after 9/11 gave a beautiful speech about how Americans who were to

:13:07. > :13:10.intimidate Muslims in America were not just the worst of Americans but

:13:11. > :13:14.the worst of human kind and he said, we as Americans must be very careful

:13:15. > :13:19.to respect everybody's religion. That is what our country is founded

:13:20. > :13:24.on, the freedom to religion. So I'm hopeful that neighbours will stem up

:13:25. > :13:26.to the plate and be good to their fellow neighbours regardless of who

:13:27. > :13:28.to the plate and be good to their they are, what they look like and

:13:29. > :13:33.where they come from. Thank you very much. Let me bring you this news: A

:13:34. > :13:39.serving West Midlands police officer is going to appear before Dudley

:13:40. > :13:43.Magistrates Court charged with rape. PC Ben Clay was arrested after the

:13:44. > :13:49.allegation earlier thissier year was made. He was charged at the end of

:13:50. > :13:52.the October. The alleged offence happened while the officer was off

:13:53. > :13:55.duty. He's a neighbourhood police officer and was suspended from his

:13:56. > :13:58.position at Wolverhampton police station and he'll appear before

:13:59. > :14:08.Dudley Magistrates Court tomorrow charged with rape.

:14:09. > :14:12.The influence left-wing groups like the socialist groups are to be

:14:13. > :14:25.limited by Jeremy Corbyn. Let's talk to Norman Smith.

:14:26. > :14:31.This Momentum was set up by Jeremy Corbyn after he became leader and

:14:32. > :14:38.it's half in the Labour Party, half out. Some of its members are from

:14:39. > :14:42.the Labour Party, some belong to the Socialist Workers' Party or the

:14:43. > :14:45.Communist Party or whatever and it exists alongside the Labour Party

:14:46. > :14:49.and many, many Labour MPs are deeply suspicious about it. They view it as

:14:50. > :14:54.the new militant tendency, saying it's got a target list of moderate

:14:55. > :15:00.Labour MPs which it wants to cull and, in effect, it's Jeremy Corbyn's

:15:01. > :15:05.shock troops to try to reshape the Labour Party in his image.

:15:06. > :15:08.Supporters of Momentum say, absolute rubbish, it's about trying to get

:15:09. > :15:11.people involved in Labour Party politics who aren't really that

:15:12. > :15:15.interested in the Labour Party so they are trying to get involved

:15:16. > :15:19.people who may be campaigning against library closures or who're

:15:20. > :15:23.angry about food banks or who're opposed to Syria, that there is

:15:24. > :15:28.nothing sinister about it at all. That certainly was the line of their

:15:29. > :15:34.spokesman. Have a listen to what he said. By and large, I've been to

:15:35. > :15:36.many Momentum meetings and there is a positive, inclusive atmosphere

:15:37. > :15:39.whereby people do politics differently and we have groups where

:15:40. > :15:42.you have someone speaking at the front often and there is

:15:43. > :15:46.facilitation into small groups coming back together. It's generally

:15:47. > :15:50.positive, inclusive, it's new Labour Party members often or people who

:15:51. > :15:54.previously felt disengaged or people who've always been part of the

:15:55. > :15:57.Labour Party. Because of this organisation,

:15:58. > :16:01.momentum, allows people who have no interest in the Labour Party really,

:16:02. > :16:04.people who're members of the Communist Party or Socialist

:16:05. > :16:08.Workers' Party, the fear is that members of other parties are able to

:16:09. > :16:14.shape Labour Party policy, in other words to drive it ever further to

:16:15. > :16:17.the left, in effect it's being used by people who're not members of the

:16:18. > :16:23.Labour Party. So what has now been decided is that the only people who

:16:24. > :16:27.can vote and take part in Momentum meetings, which impact on the Labour

:16:28. > :16:32.Party, must also be members of the Labour Party. So does that meet all

:16:33. > :16:37.the concerns? No it doesn't. I've spoke to some Labour MP who is say

:16:38. > :16:40.that is not good enough, they ask why does the organisation even

:16:41. > :16:42.exist, if you want to be involved in the Labour Party, join it, you don't

:16:43. > :16:47.have to be part of a separate organisation. In fact, one Labour MP

:16:48. > :16:51.Steven Kinnock, blamed Momentum for much of the online abuse of a lot of

:16:52. > :16:54.the people in the Labour Party who backed the bombing in Syria, he

:16:55. > :16:56.blamed Momentum for that and suggested maybe they should be

:16:57. > :17:10.disbanded. Have a listen. Abusing Labour MPs because they took

:17:11. > :17:13.a different view on what was a very complex and emotive issue then I

:17:14. > :17:18.think that an investigation needs to be held and if that concludes that

:17:19. > :17:23.momentum is organising and organise straighting these things then I

:17:24. > :17:29.think yes, the NEC needs to rule and look to disband the organisation.

:17:30. > :17:36.The row over Momentum symbolises the rift within the Labour Party between

:17:37. > :17:39.if you like the Corbyn istas and the other, you find the Shadow

:17:40. > :17:44.Chancellor, John McDonnell, going along to meeting of Momentum, happy

:17:45. > :17:48.to address them and encourage them and you get the deputy leader of the

:17:49. > :17:53.Labour Party describing them as a rable. They are a divisive body in

:17:54. > :17:57.the heart of the Labour Party, but one that Jeremy Corbyn seems to

:17:58. > :18:01.regard as crucial to his support and his standing within the Labour

:18:02. > :18:12.Party. Norm arnings thank you very much.

:18:13. > :18:18.Jacqueline, this is about Tyson Fury, Jacqueline says, "Tyson Fury's

:18:19. > :18:22.views are the same as Isis. How dare the BBC put him up for sports

:18:23. > :18:27.personality." "He might be asked to talk in schools if he wents and work

:18:28. > :18:29.with young people and his views might be a problem."

:18:30. > :18:33.The majority of police forces in England and Wales are poorly

:18:34. > :18:35.equipped to deal with honour crimes according the Government's official

:18:36. > :18:47.As a petition to remove boxer Tyson Fury from the

:18:48. > :19:00.BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist reaches 92,000 names.

:19:01. > :19:05.Tell what yous you think. -- tell us what you think.

:19:06. > :19:08.Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

:19:09. > :19:10.of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

:19:11. > :19:14.16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

:19:15. > :19:21.The lawyer for Oscar Pistorius has said he will appeal a murder verdict

:19:22. > :19:28.after judges changed his original manslaughter conviction last week.

:19:29. > :19:32.He has been placed under house arrest. Judges changed his

:19:33. > :19:37.manslaughter conviction to murder. US Presidential contender Donald

:19:38. > :19:40.Trump calls for Muslims to be banned from entering the country in the

:19:41. > :19:42.wake of the California shootings. The White House condemned

:19:43. > :19:44.his remarks while rival Republican A petition calling for the removal

:19:45. > :19:50.of world heavy weight boxing champion Tyson Fury from the BBC's

:19:51. > :20:13.Sports Personality of the Year His uncle and trainer told this

:20:14. > :20:17.programme that his comments didn't mean he should be pulled from the

:20:18. > :20:21.shortlist. He is not a robot. There is freedom of speech. We are in

:20:22. > :20:26.2015, if he is offensive, he needs to explain his actions and you know,

:20:27. > :20:29.move on from there, but he is entitled to his opinion just like

:20:30. > :20:31.everybody else has got theirs. It is not against the law.

:20:32. > :20:34.A hospital trust has apologised for placing a "do not resuscitate" order

:20:35. > :20:38.The family of Andrew Waters was not consulted or informed and found out

:20:39. > :20:47.only after he was discharged from hospital in Margate in 2011.

:20:48. > :20:50.Only three police forces in England and Wales are fully prepared to

:20:51. > :20:51.combat so-called honour-based crimes like forced marriage

:20:52. > :20:55.and female genital mutilation according to an official report.

:20:56. > :20:57.Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said well-trained

:20:58. > :21:02.officers capable of spotting victims were thin on the ground.

:21:03. > :21:14.Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Olly.

:21:15. > :21:16.The FA Cup third round draw was made last night.

:21:17. > :21:21.Holders Arsenal will face fellow Prmier League side Sunderland,

:21:22. > :21:25.That's if they can get past their second round replay

:21:26. > :21:33.There was a match at Goodison Park last night as Everton drew 1-1

:21:34. > :21:35.against Crystal Palace in the Premier League.

:21:36. > :21:43.Romelu Lukaku scored the their equaliser, his 50th goal for

:21:44. > :21:45.Everton in his 100th appearance for the club.

:21:46. > :22:00.Manchester United have to beat Wolfsburg in Germany tonight

:22:01. > :22:04.to qualify for the last 16 in the Champions League.

:22:05. > :22:10.Manchester City are already through,

:22:11. > :22:14.Christa Cullen will play her first competitive international in three

:22:15. > :22:17.years for Great Britain's women's hockey team today - Britain face

:22:18. > :22:22.Australia in their last group game at the World League Finals

:22:23. > :22:25.A mother who lost custody of her daughter after a judge ruled the

:22:26. > :22:29.girl should live with her biological father and his male partner has told

:22:30. > :22:31.this programme people should think very carefully before entering

:22:32. > :22:36.The High Court judgement followed a legal dispute over the nature

:22:37. > :22:40.of the parents' agreement when the child was conceived.

:22:41. > :22:42.The father said that the woman had agreed to be

:22:43. > :22:52.The mother said that the father had agreed to be a sperm donor.

:22:53. > :22:55.The family court judge, Ms Justice Russell said it was in the

:22:56. > :22:58."best interests and welfare" of the young girl throughout her childhood

:22:59. > :23:01.to live with her father and his partner, and to spend some time with

:23:02. > :23:06.She's been speaking exclusively to our reporter Sanchia Berg

:23:07. > :23:09.Her words are spoken for her, and we're not revealing her identity

:23:10. > :23:41.My baby's dad and myself, we knew each other for over 25 years. We

:23:42. > :23:47.were both from Romania. We were very good friends. We were very good

:23:48. > :23:50.friends. I was at a point in my life when I felt my biological clock was

:23:51. > :23:53.running out and I wanted to be a mother one more time before that

:23:54. > :24:02.happened. And I proached my best friend to be my sperm donor. We both

:24:03. > :24:07.agreed before conception was done through artificial insemination that

:24:08. > :24:13.the child to be, if it will happen, would live with me and he would play

:24:14. > :24:19.a role in the child's life and visit when his busy schedule will allow

:24:20. > :24:28.him to. Was there any discussion of surrogacy? We were good friends for

:24:29. > :24:32.25 years. I trusted him with my life I can say say. He agreed that I

:24:33. > :24:34.would be the main carer of the baby and I would look after the baby. He

:24:35. > :24:48.would visit while he can. Was there at one point the idea put

:24:49. > :24:52.forward that you would all live together and that's why he and his

:24:53. > :24:56.partner rented a much bigger house and you lived there for a little

:24:57. > :25:01.bit? I didn't live, I visited. There was never a point that I would live

:25:02. > :25:08.there. I have my place where I'm still, to this day and that was the

:25:09. > :25:12.way. We talked about it with myself and my friend and that I would be in

:25:13. > :25:18.my home, I would live there, he would visit and he would spend time

:25:19. > :25:27.with the baby in his home as well and come into my home. It was the

:25:28. > :25:32.two of us talking about parenting a child and one of the reasons I asked

:25:33. > :25:41.him to be my sperm donor is that I wanted my child to have a father, I

:25:42. > :25:45.didn't want my child to not know who the father was. Was any of this

:25:46. > :25:48.written down in a formal agreement? We were discussing things as two

:25:49. > :25:54.good friends. There was no writing down anything. We would just talk as

:25:55. > :25:58.good friends. Looking back at the whole duration of the court

:25:59. > :26:03.proceedings, one of the things that the judge cited later and cited

:26:04. > :26:08.against you was the fact that you had the baby baptised without

:26:09. > :26:12.telling him about it. In fact, you lied to the court about having the

:26:13. > :26:22.baby baptised. Why did you do that? She was only seven months old and

:26:23. > :26:27.she needed protection. That's how I felt, baptism is a form of

:26:28. > :26:32.protection, it is like a shieldment we believe that babies are like say

:26:33. > :26:38.a naked person. The baptism is like a shield to protect them from

:26:39. > :26:43.outside world. But it was a court order and so as the judge said you

:26:44. > :26:49.lied to the court and that was one of the reasons why afterwards when

:26:50. > :26:54.the judge looked at everything altogether why she tended to find

:26:55. > :27:00.against you and find for the father. So when you look back, do you think

:27:01. > :27:05.ah, that was much more important than I realised at the time?

:27:06. > :27:10.Everything I did, I did for the best interests of my baby. So having her

:27:11. > :27:17.baptised was in her best interests as I saw it. In her judgement, the

:27:18. > :27:23.judge said that you were in quotes, "Homophobic." She said for example

:27:24. > :27:28.you had told your daughter's family that he was gay and he hadn't known

:27:29. > :27:34.this. How would you respond to that? How can be homophobic when I knew my

:27:35. > :27:37.baby's dad for 25 years and he is openly gay for most of that time.

:27:38. > :27:40.Were you shocked when you heard the judgement?

:27:41. > :27:44.Were you surprised when you heard the judgement?

:27:45. > :27:49.I was shocked, yes. I was in tears. I was very upset. I

:27:50. > :28:18.still am. I still am. How is it when you see her? It is

:28:19. > :28:25.wonderful when I see her. It really is wonderful. She is a typical child

:28:26. > :28:35.and very clever and she knows who I am and we play. I sing to her. I

:28:36. > :28:40.talk to her in Romanian. She understands Romanian languages well

:28:41. > :28:44.and it is very difficult because I have someone behind your back

:28:45. > :28:51.watching every single movement you do with your child. It makes me feel

:28:52. > :28:54.like a criminal. When you think about co-parenting some people in

:28:55. > :28:57.this position because this kind of arrangement is becoming more and

:28:58. > :29:01.more common, some people will sit down and draw up a really detailed

:29:02. > :29:04.arrangement before the baby is born as to how the parenting could work.

:29:05. > :29:08.Do you think that would have been a good idea?

:29:09. > :29:13.I have never thought about it before. When we were talking about

:29:14. > :29:20.having a baby or after conception, before the birth, I never thought. I

:29:21. > :29:24.never came across my mind because I trusted my friend with my life. Yes,

:29:25. > :29:30.people should be more careful, I think. What they do.

:29:31. > :29:33.We invited the biological father of the child and his partner to be

:29:34. > :29:36.They declined, but gave us this statement,

:29:37. > :29:39."There are no winners in this case, only what is best for

:29:40. > :29:43.We are saddened that our daughter's mother feels the need to tell our

:29:44. > :29:47.story so publicly, and would urge anyone watching this to also read Ms

:29:48. > :29:50.Justice Russell's judgment, and to be aware that the Court of Appeal

:29:51. > :29:55.We have and will always be driven by our strong desire to protect

:29:56. > :29:58.our daughter from any harm, be it now or in the future, from

:29:59. > :30:01.any negative or speculative stories that may upset her in future years.

:30:02. > :30:07.We ask that our privacy as a family is respected".

:30:08. > :30:16.You can watch the interview again on our programme page if you want to.

:30:17. > :30:18.It's claimed only three police forces in England

:30:19. > :30:20.and Wales are fully equipped to deal with honour-based violence,

:30:21. > :30:22.forced marriage and female genital mutilation.

:30:23. > :30:24.An official report suggests only Northumbria,

:30:25. > :30:28.Derbyshire and West Midlands are tackling those offences properly.

:30:29. > :30:34.Let's talk about this with Jasvinder Sanghera, who ran away after she was

:30:35. > :30:37.going to be forced into an arranged marriage at the age of 14.

:30:38. > :30:39.Diana Nammi, who set up a support group

:30:40. > :30:53.for women after one of her friends was murdered in an honour killing.

:30:54. > :31:01.I think it is worth so-called honour crimes involve? I

:31:02. > :31:04.was born in Britain and 35 years ago, the expectation on me and my

:31:05. > :31:11.seven sisters, we had to behave in a certain way. So not to dishonour the

:31:12. > :31:16.family. So the basic things that a normal adolescent teenager would do

:31:17. > :31:21.you weren't allowed to do, go out with your friends, date a boy, these

:31:22. > :31:26.things were deemed dishonourable and shameful and if you did them you put

:31:27. > :31:30.yourself at risk of harm and being whipped off abroad for marriage or

:31:31. > :31:34.murder. So you understood that within a family dynamic and you live

:31:35. > :31:37.your life, not being allowed to integrate into wider western society

:31:38. > :31:41.and the expectation of the family is you behave in this way and you will

:31:42. > :31:44.be married off and if you say no to the marriage, again, that is deemed

:31:45. > :31:50.dishonourable and shameful and you put yourself at risk. So these are

:31:51. > :31:58.codes of behaviour we are expected to confirm by and if we don't, we

:31:59. > :32:00.put ourselves at great risk and many people within the family think the

:32:01. > :32:16.same way and are doing this to you. Diana, how do you react to the

:32:17. > :32:24.report that suggests that not many police forces are equipped. This is

:32:25. > :32:29.what we want, police and other organisations to deal with honour

:32:30. > :32:36.based violence cases more seriously and with sensitivity. Of course, the

:32:37. > :32:47.only police forces, three of them in the UK only, is far from the number

:32:48. > :32:52.we need, which is shocking. In many cases women's lives are a lottery.

:32:53. > :32:56.We don't want it to happen. We want all police forces in the UK to be

:32:57. > :33:00.able to take all the cases seriously, to understand what is

:33:01. > :33:08.honour based violence, to identify the signs, to never turn down any

:33:09. > :33:14.women. Honour based violence is about life-and-death and it's very

:33:15. > :33:19.serious and can be very quickly escalated and women's lives can be

:33:20. > :33:22.taken by their own family members. Jasvinder, I don't know if you

:33:23. > :33:27.accept what the police have made great strides in this country when

:33:28. > :33:31.it comes to investigating domestic abuse crimes, for example, but this

:33:32. > :33:37.extra element, this aggravating element of so-called or perceived

:33:38. > :33:39.honour, is the thing they potentially now need to concentrate

:33:40. > :33:46.on, certainly judging by this report anyway? You see, I was born in

:33:47. > :33:53.Britain, I expect to be afforded the same level of protection as my

:33:54. > :33:59.counterparts. This report is incredibly important and it's

:34:00. > :34:04.echoing the report the IPCC did in 2006 as a result of the murder of a

:34:05. > :34:08.woman who went to the police and appealed on five occasions and said,

:34:09. > :34:12.I've been seen kissing a boy at a tube station and for that I'm going

:34:13. > :34:18.to be killed. She was murdered. That report highlighted the need for

:34:19. > :34:23.awareness and for police forces to get this mainstreamness as part of

:34:24. > :34:27.it. This report is saying the same thing as back then. We need forces

:34:28. > :34:31.to come on board. That is not acceptable then is it? No, it's not.

:34:32. > :34:35.The thing here is, the biggest question here today is going to be,

:34:36. > :34:40.will this impact on police engagement because it's not

:34:41. > :34:42.mandatory, we are relying on leadership, police and crimes

:34:43. > :34:46.commissioners officers, they don't have to do this, it's about the will

:34:47. > :34:56.and I hope this inspection and this report impacts on that.

:34:57. > :35:00.Can I ask you about your experience and your sister's experience? Sure.

:35:01. > :35:05.I'm one of seven sisters. My sister was taken out of a classroom at the

:35:06. > :35:10.age of 15 to marry a man she'd only met in a photograph. She was left in

:35:11. > :35:13.India for nine months, forced to marry and, let's remember, when you

:35:14. > :35:17.are forced to marry you are going to be raped on your wedding night. She

:35:18. > :35:23.was brought back to the UK, expected to go to school again, then be taken

:35:24. > :35:27.away to become a dutiful wife and daughter-in-law. My sister suffered

:35:28. > :35:31.an horrific marriage, the people you can turn to are meant to be your

:35:32. > :35:35.family, they sent her back to the abuser because it was deemed

:35:36. > :35:39.shameful and dishonourable to leave your husband. My sister set herself

:35:40. > :35:43.on fire in her early 20s and took her own life by suicide. That was

:35:44. > :35:47.deemed more honourable. This is the thing here, this concept exists.

:35:48. > :35:51.When our victims report to the police, very often they are not

:35:52. > :35:55.believed, there is inappropriate engagement with family members

:35:56. > :36:01.who're doing this as a protective factor. My sister reported, Shafilea

:36:02. > :36:05.Ahmed reported to five organisations, the police were in

:36:06. > :36:08.that, again, being sent back to the family thinking somehow you can work

:36:09. > :36:13.this out. You can't. The police need to understand that and frame this as

:36:14. > :36:16.child and public protection. Diana, what would you say to someone

:36:17. > :36:19.watching now who might be going through something similar to what

:36:20. > :36:24.Jasvinder's described, should they go to the police bearing in mind

:36:25. > :36:29.today's report that says only three out of 43 forces are equipped to

:36:30. > :36:34.deal with this? Exactly. I'm hoping this will be like a wake-up call for

:36:35. > :36:40.police forces all over the UK and especially in England and Wales.

:36:41. > :36:46.This, of course, we need to be mandatory. The training? The

:36:47. > :36:54.training and also having a leadership and also having training

:36:55. > :36:59.for all the police officers in the UK so they are fully aware of the

:37:00. > :37:05.issue of honour based violence and respond to that quickly and gently.

:37:06. > :37:12.Women should not give up. Always there is help. If the police doesn't

:37:13. > :37:18.do that, organisations are here to help. We have been with cases. What

:37:19. > :37:33.are the names of the organisation? Iranian and Kurdish women's rights

:37:34. > :37:39.organisation, we call it IKWR. When you came to the UK, your translator

:37:40. > :37:44.was murdered? She was. The only thing I can do for her, it was to

:37:45. > :37:51.report to the police. That happened about 17 years ago. When I called

:37:52. > :37:55.the police, they said the incident happened in Iraq so it's their duty

:37:56. > :37:59.to investigate the case and I said she was a British citizen and, as a

:38:00. > :38:02.British citizen she's killed, missing, you need to investigate the

:38:03. > :38:07.case and that she is a victim of honour killing. They told me, this

:38:08. > :38:15.is your culture and if we interfere, you will call us racist, so I

:38:16. > :38:19.thought that establishing this organisation and campaigning against

:38:20. > :38:22.honour killing and to raise awareness within the police

:38:23. > :38:32.organisations is very, very important. We have had lots of

:38:33. > :38:38.successes, but the police response has been patchy. There is help

:38:39. > :38:48.always. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for coming on

:38:49. > :38:50.the programme. Tyson fury's uncle's told the

:38:51. > :38:56.programme the world champion didn't ever mean to compare homosexuality

:38:57. > :38:59.and paedophilia. So many of you have got in touch to tell us what you

:39:00. > :39:03.think about whether Tyson Fury should be on that short list, should

:39:04. > :39:07.stay on that short list for Sports Personality of the Year. The

:39:08. > :39:11.petition calling for him to be removed has reached just over

:39:12. > :39:17.92,000. We'll talk to some of you in a moment, but here is a reminder of

:39:18. > :39:21.what his uncle said. If you are trying to get people to like you,

:39:22. > :39:24.it's a poor job. There are a lot of people out this, everybody's got a

:39:25. > :39:28.different opinion, view, on everybodying's comments, so it

:39:29. > :39:32.depends how they view it and they'll be for and against him winning the

:39:33. > :39:35.competition so there's not much I can add to it. Do you think he

:39:36. > :39:39.should be withdrawn from the short list? No, I don't. He gives

:39:40. > :39:44.should be withdrawn from the short opinions, he hasn't got a key in his

:39:45. > :39:51.back, he's not a robot, there is freedom of speech, we are in 2015

:39:52. > :39:54.and if he's offensive, he needs to explain his actions and move on from

:39:55. > :39:58.there, but he's entitled to his opinion, just like everybody else

:39:59. > :40:02.has got theirs, it's not against the law. Some comments from our viewers

:40:03. > :40:05.watching around the country; Ke sin says I don't care who wins but

:40:06. > :40:10.showerly people should be allowed to vote for whoever they wish, after

:40:11. > :40:16.all it's called Sports Personality and Tyson's remarks are part of his

:40:17. > :40:20.personality. Martin says Tyson deserves every accolade and award

:40:21. > :40:24.for his sporting achievement, as for his utterances, that's another

:40:25. > :40:30.matter but shouldn't undermine the joy he's brought to boxing

:40:31. > :40:38.enthusiasts and Pat says, the words of Tyson Fury are sick, we shouldn't

:40:39. > :40:44.tolerate his behaviour the way we shouldn't tolerate racism or hate.

:40:45. > :40:47.His achievements have been recognised but celebrating his

:40:48. > :40:54.ignorance is unacceptable. Is that fair? Well, he's not giving... You

:40:55. > :41:00.heard him say he's not giving his own opinion, he's going off what the

:41:01. > :41:05.scriptures say. It's the conflating for some people, the conflateling of

:41:06. > :41:09.homosexuality and paedophilia. Does he understand how that can be

:41:10. > :41:17.insidious and offensive to some people? I think a lots of things

:41:18. > :41:25.Tyson says, what he means and the way it comes out of his mouth can

:41:26. > :41:30.sometimes be read the wrong way. Paedophilia is not the same as

:41:31. > :41:33.homosexuality, there's no similarities whatsoever, there is a

:41:34. > :41:40.vast difference. Give us an insight then into what he was trying to say?

:41:41. > :41:50.In the Bible it states that homosexuality is an abomination, it

:41:51. > :41:55.is like abortion and paedophilia, they are stated as an abomination.

:41:56. > :41:59.Maybe he's come to the assumption himself that this is what he sees,

:42:00. > :42:07.so, you know, that's all I can say, but he's not putting them, he's not

:42:08. > :42:11.saying in his own view that homosexuality is the same as

:42:12. > :42:15.paedophilia... Peter Fury, Tyson's uncle and

:42:16. > :42:19.trainer. Dave in Reading has got in touch with us this morning. He was

:42:20. > :42:23.watching Peter earlier. Hi, should he be removed then from the short

:42:24. > :42:29.list? My comment was that in order to be

:42:30. > :42:35.on Sports Personality of the Year, the person needs to have a

:42:36. > :42:38.personality and he hasn't. Well, according to some of our viewers

:42:39. > :42:42.he's absolutely got a personality, so he's absolutely right to be on

:42:43. > :42:53.that short list? Well, listen, I'm a boxing fan, I've boxed myself, I've

:42:54. > :42:58.got a personality, that man hasn't. Do you find his comments

:42:59. > :43:05.unpalatable? I do. Simply because he's not explained himself. Right,

:43:06. > :43:08.so because you find his comments unpalatable it confirms for you that

:43:09. > :43:12.he doesn't have a personality because you are not keen on him as a

:43:13. > :43:16.man, is that fair, I don't want to put words into your mouth? That is

:43:17. > :43:19.fair. He does not have a personality and he does not put his views

:43:20. > :43:24.forward in 2 way that makes it palatable? Yes. It's about sporting

:43:25. > :43:30.achievement isn't it? Look at the people on there, Andy Murray, Lizzie

:43:31. > :43:34.et cetera, it's about their sporting achievements, rather than what their

:43:35. > :43:38.character is like isn't it? Why is it called Sports Personality then?

:43:39. > :43:41.We have this conversation every year, you are absolutely right.

:43:42. > :43:43.Thank you very much for coming on the programme, nice to talk to you.

:43:44. > :43:46.Thank you very much for watching today. We are back tomorrow at 9.

:43:47. > :43:48.15. Have a good day. Bye.