10/12/2015

:00:00. > :00:07.Hello it's Thursday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

:00:08. > :00:15.The debate continues on where to build a new airport runway.

:00:16. > :00:18.Ministers were due to decide before Christmas.

:00:19. > :00:21.But it could be delayed for another 6 months.

:00:22. > :00:24.David Cameron's expected to make an announcement this evening.

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:01:15. > :01:18.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC

:01:19. > :01:23.Throughout the programme we will bring you up to date

:01:24. > :01:26.with the latest stories including the news that French prosecutors

:01:27. > :01:30.are investigating the decision to award the 2021 World Athletics

:01:31. > :01:33.Championships to Eugene in the United States.

:01:34. > :01:39.Plus, we'll talk later about the growing number of people

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:02:08. > :02:10.The debate over airport expansion rages on;

:02:11. > :02:15.The Government was due to make a decision on whether to build

:02:16. > :02:18.a new runway at Heathrow as recommended by the Airports

:02:19. > :02:22.Commission before Christmas, but this week it emerged that this

:02:23. > :02:24.could get delayed by another six months.

:02:25. > :02:26.We're expecting an announcement from the Prime Minister this evening.

:02:27. > :02:30.Businesses are warning that pushing the decision back could cost

:02:31. > :02:34.We'll discuss that in a moment, but first let's look at how

:02:35. > :02:39.Why does the UK need another runway in the South East?

:02:40. > :02:42.60 million Brits travel abroad each year by air

:02:43. > :02:44.and that figure is steadily increasing.

:02:45. > :02:49.According to the Airports Commission, which has been looking

:02:50. > :02:52.into airport capacity, all major south east airports,

:02:53. > :02:55.such as Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton and Stansted will run out

:02:56. > :03:01.If that happens it's estimated it could cost the economy

:03:02. > :03:07.So, the government needs to decide whether to build an extra runway

:03:08. > :03:13.After three years of deliberation, the Airports Commission said

:03:14. > :03:15.this summer that Heathrow was the "clear and

:03:16. > :03:20.Here's what the head of the Commission Sir Howard Davies

:03:21. > :03:31.The economic benefits of expanding Heathrow are much greater than any

:03:32. > :03:33.other option. You get additional trade benefits, connectivity

:03:34. > :03:36.benefits, additional long haul routes to important cities in

:03:37. > :03:38.emerging markets which will be crucial for our economy in the 21st

:03:39. > :03:40.century. It was due to make the call before

:03:41. > :03:45.Christmas, but it's rumoured that's Politically this decision

:03:46. > :03:50.is a tricky one for David Cameron. He's previously said

:03:51. > :03:52.he won't support expansion A number of high profile Tories

:03:53. > :03:57.are also against Heathrow expansion the London Mayor Boris Johnson,

:03:58. > :04:00.and the man they hope will be the next mayor

:04:01. > :04:02.Tory MP Zac Goldsmith. This was Boris Johnson at

:04:03. > :04:18.the party's conference this Autumn. If we are going to build new airport

:04:19. > :04:28.capacity, let's not bodge it with one runway in the wrong place in a

:04:29. > :04:33.short-termist old, failed, tired and environmentally disastrous solution.

:04:34. > :04:34.One of the many things that you and I Zac are right on.

:04:35. > :04:40.David Cameron may decide later to order another review looking

:04:41. > :04:43.at the environmental impact of expanding both options.

:04:44. > :04:48.Another delay will not go down well with businesses.

:04:49. > :04:51.We can speak now to two business leaders about this potential delay.

:04:52. > :04:53.Iain Anderson runs the international communications company Cicero

:04:54. > :04:56.and Baroness Valentine speaks on behalf of London Businesses.

:04:57. > :04:58.Also James Thornton from environmental group Client

:04:59. > :05:08.Baroness Valentine, what do you think of the delay? I think it's

:05:09. > :05:13.completely and utterly pathetic. We have been waiting 50 years, we keep

:05:14. > :05:17.doing consultations, keep coming up with recommendations, they need to

:05:18. > :05:21.take a decision. Why do you think the decision is not being made? Do

:05:22. > :05:24.you think politics is coming into it? Yes, we have spent three years

:05:25. > :05:27.with an Independent Commission and landed back in the political soup.

:05:28. > :05:32.The whole point of the Independent Commission was to avoid the

:05:33. > :05:36.political soup. Iain, what is the impact on business? I think it's

:05:37. > :05:40.really significant. We have been waiting for a decision for a long

:05:41. > :05:45.time. I work a lot with inward investors so I spend a lot of time

:05:46. > :05:53.in the States, Asia and circling over Heathrow, and people are really

:05:54. > :05:56.asking the question, is the UK serious about ensuring that business

:05:57. > :06:04.can have open access to British markets? That is a real concern.

:06:05. > :06:07.James, as you are concerned about the airport expansion, presumably

:06:08. > :06:11.you welcome another delay, even though it's only six months? Any

:06:12. > :06:14.decision that gets made and a decision will be made, needs to take

:06:15. > :06:18.into account the environmental consequences of building extra

:06:19. > :06:22.capacity. Now, in the UK, we are violating the relevant air pollution

:06:23. > :06:26.laws. We had to take UK Government to court and we won a judgment in

:06:27. > :06:30.the UK Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ordered the Government to come

:06:31. > :06:35.into compliance with air pollution laws "as soon as possible". Now, the

:06:36. > :06:40.Government is saying that as soon as possible means at least 2025 and the

:06:41. > :06:43.problem is, expanding he's row would increase the air pollution and they

:06:44. > :06:48.haven't suggested a way to get around this problem. What do you say

:06:49. > :06:53.to that? What I would say is that, Davis spent a lot of time looking at

:06:54. > :06:57.the questions. Heathrow is coming up with answers to this question. Most

:06:58. > :06:59.of the environmental issues that are going on are about

:07:00. > :07:03.of the environmental issues that are the airport, rather than the planes

:07:04. > :07:14.in the sky. This has been looked at, we don't need to look at it again.

:07:15. > :07:18.Just to Just to add, circling planes at Heathrow, very bad for emissions.

:07:19. > :07:24.The Government's known it's had to hit the targets for 15 years, what

:07:25. > :07:26.have they been doing? ! Well, they seem to have been doing nothing.

:07:27. > :07:31.They stood up in the Supreme Court and said, we had no intention of

:07:32. > :07:36.coming into compliance. They knew they had to come in at 2000. The

:07:37. > :07:41.Government's potentially delaying the decision because of their own

:07:42. > :07:45.inability to act on our pollution. It's pathetic. I think the

:07:46. > :07:49.Government is delaying the decision for party political reasons. This is

:07:50. > :07:53.about a problem within the Conservative Party and the

:07:54. > :07:58.about a problem within the election next year. If you asked,

:07:59. > :08:02.and the numbers have been done on this, 70% on MPs across Britain

:08:03. > :08:07.would actually vote for the Davis decision.

:08:08. > :08:14.That is clear already. It's also clear that the meeting air

:08:15. > :08:17.pollution targets or legal requirements in Heathrow or in the

:08:18. > :08:22.rest of the UK is not difficult. Absolutely right. So with those

:08:23. > :08:26.targets those still outstanding, where would you say that does leave

:08:27. > :08:34.the airport expansion, is six months even going to be enough? It depends

:08:35. > :08:37.what they come up with. They have to comply with a plan of air quality

:08:38. > :08:41.laws as soon as possible. They haven't done that yet. Do you think

:08:42. > :08:45.Heathrow is the better option, bearing in mind what the others have

:08:46. > :08:50.been saying about the concerns for the environment with traffic on the

:08:51. > :08:54.ground? Heathrow appears to have worse air pollution problems than

:08:55. > :08:59.alternative options, it really does, but any of these situations can be

:09:00. > :09:02.addressed. Can I just say, it will take ten years once we even make the

:09:03. > :09:06.decision so we can sort out the air pollution in the ten years before we

:09:07. > :09:10.actually get a plane off the ground. You can also make it a condition of

:09:11. > :09:15.the planes taking off. I mean, when this was last decided with Andrew

:09:16. > :09:19.Adonis in the early 2000s, he said we won't put in any extra capacity

:09:20. > :09:24.unless we are sure we are complying with the environmental stuff so we

:09:25. > :09:29.can make it a condition. 40% of our exports travel out of the country by

:09:30. > :09:32.air. Over half of those exports travel out through Heathrow. You

:09:33. > :09:37.know, something needs to happen here and quickly.

:09:38. > :09:43.So put it in figures, the impact of the delay on the economy? So Davis

:09:44. > :09:47.has already said a further impact of the delay could cost, you know, over

:09:48. > :09:51.?30 billion for the economy. Actually, getting on with it

:09:52. > :09:56.could... How is that figure reachd? OK, so they are looking at a figure

:09:57. > :10:00.around the gross value. Basically what happens in terms of the

:10:01. > :10:05.opportunities that are being lost, because we are not actually getting

:10:06. > :10:09.on with this. If we got on with, again according to Davis, we'd also

:10:10. > :10:14.create 190,000 jobs in terms of construction, but also in terms of

:10:15. > :10:19.the opportunities across Britain. Which is why the unions have come

:10:20. > :10:26.out strongly in favour saying please take a decision. Some other numbers

:10:27. > :10:33.were relevant and meaningful. Air pollution deaths in the UK. This

:10:34. > :10:36.isn't a hyperthey wantical thing. The Government's own numbers which

:10:37. > :10:43.are probably conservative, say there are 40,000 people a year die from

:10:44. > :10:46.air pollution. Very important stuff -- hypothetical.

:10:47. > :10:49.We are expecting to hear from the Prime Minister later. Thank you all

:10:50. > :10:52.very much. Do let us know your thoughts on that. We'll hear some of

:10:53. > :10:54.your thoughts later. French prosecutors have opened

:10:55. > :10:57.an investigation into the awarding of the 2021 World Athletics

:10:58. > :10:59.championships to the American The city, in Oregon,

:11:00. > :11:04.is closely associated Until recently, the new president

:11:05. > :11:08.of athletics' world governing body, the IAAF Lord Coe was a paid

:11:09. > :11:11.ambassador for the company. He's denied lobbying

:11:12. > :11:14.anyone about the bid. Our correspondent Mark Daly has been

:11:15. > :11:24.following this story. Tell us a bit more about the

:11:25. > :11:29.decision to award it to Eugene in the first place because that was

:11:30. > :11:34.controversial from the start? Yes, this story is essentially about the

:11:35. > :11:39.embattled IAAF's decision to award what's the premier event in the

:11:40. > :11:43.world, athletics calendar, the World Championships, to Eugene in 2021.

:11:44. > :11:50.This was controversial because it was done without by pass, the usual

:11:51. > :11:53.bidding process, much to the annoyance of the Swedish city of

:11:54. > :11:58.Gothenburg which was planning a rival bid. French prosecutors who've

:11:59. > :12:02.been investigating allegations of corruption and bribery within the

:12:03. > :12:08.IAAF, have now turned their attention to this decision. The

:12:09. > :12:13.French national financial prosecution service have launched a

:12:14. > :12:19.new investigation into the reasons behind the awarding of the 2021

:12:20. > :12:23.Championships to Eugene, that is a city closely associated with Nike,

:12:24. > :12:29.known as the birthplace of Nike. This comes a couple of weeks after

:12:30. > :12:34.the BBC revealed that Lord Sebastien Coe who is now President, but whilst

:12:35. > :12:43.Vice-President of the IAAF in January this year, appeared to have

:12:44. > :12:49.been in discussions with the Nike senior executive, as well as the

:12:50. > :12:52.then President of the IAAF about his support for the World Championships

:12:53. > :12:58.coming to Eugene. Why was this an issue? Well, at the time, Lord Coe

:12:59. > :13:03.was a paid ambassador for Nike, and he was apparently discussing IAAF

:13:04. > :13:09.business with Nike about an event that they could be seen to

:13:10. > :13:12.financially benefit from. Now, under mounting pressure, Lord

:13:13. > :13:18.Coe resigned from his position at Nike two weeks ago. In this

:13:19. > :13:23.morning's Today programme on Radio Four, Lord Coe was specifically

:13:24. > :13:27.asked about this and the Eugene bid. We have selected cities before not

:13:28. > :13:32.within a bidding cycle. There was at that point no bidding cycle and

:13:33. > :13:41.Eugene was not put forward by the IAAF, it was put forward by the

:13:42. > :13:44.United States Track Field and by 23-25 votes, my council decided this

:13:45. > :13:47.was for the foreseeable future the best opportunity to get the world

:13:48. > :13:52.athletics Championships into the United States. Every sport is

:13:53. > :14:00.falling over itself to get into the largest sports market in the world.

:14:01. > :14:05.So this was not, the A-list was not -- A, this was not without precedent

:14:06. > :14:09.and B, the council made a judgment that for the foreseeable, they were

:14:10. > :14:12.not. It aggrieves me to say this, but the powerhouse of the United

:14:13. > :14:15.States track and field that we see at the Olympic Games is not

:14:16. > :14:20.replicated across the country. They did not have cities like Miami, Los

:14:21. > :14:27.Angeles, Chicago falling over themselves and this was a city put

:14:28. > :14:30.forward, not by the IAAF, but by United States Track Field. Mark,

:14:31. > :14:35.in terms of the French investigation, are there my

:14:36. > :14:40.implications for Lord Coe? He's already been voluntarily interviewed

:14:41. > :14:44.by the French police. Not about Eugene specifically, but about the

:14:45. > :14:51.wider allegations surrounding his predecessor. Now, he stands accused,

:14:52. > :14:58.he and three others, of pocketing around a million dollars in bribes

:14:59. > :15:03.where he's been accused of effectively extorting money from

:15:04. > :15:08.mainly Russian athletes in order to cover up positive doping tests.

:15:09. > :15:14.There is no suggestion that Lord Coe is at all involved in any of this

:15:15. > :15:20.and Lord Coe himself has strenuously denied he's ever lobbied Mr Diak.

:15:21. > :15:25.His support for Eugene was primarily based on fact in his opinion it was

:15:26. > :15:28.the best city for it. Now that French prosecutors have launched an

:15:29. > :15:36.investigation, it's likely they'll want to ask Lord Coe what, if

:15:37. > :15:44.anything, he knows about the reasons behind Mr Diak deciding to opt to

:15:45. > :15:48.call the surprise vote. That is what I understand of this part of the

:15:49. > :15:53.investigation. He's got a lot on his plate right now, hasn't he? Nobody

:15:54. > :15:59.should underestimate the task ahead of Lord Coe. This has been the most

:16:00. > :16:04.tumultuous 12 months in the sport of athletics history, perhaps more so

:16:05. > :16:09.than the scandal of 1988 when Ben Johnson tested positive in the final

:16:10. > :16:14.of the 100 metres in Seoul. Last December we first heard about the

:16:15. > :16:20.allegations of systematic doping in Russia, in June there was a Panorama

:16:21. > :16:24.programme about allegations concerning Mo Farah's coach Alberto

:16:25. > :16:28.Salazar at the Nike Oregon project, shortly after that we heard about

:16:29. > :16:32.the allegations of systematic blood doping amongst thousands of athletes

:16:33. > :16:38.and then perhaps most significantly, just a few weeks ago, the World

:16:39. > :16:42.Anti-Doping Agency produced what can only be described as a davming

:16:43. > :16:48.indictment of the state of doping within athletic.

:16:49. > :16:55.The second part of the report, focusing on corruption in the IAAF,

:16:56. > :17:00.is yet to land. We expect that to be published in the middle of January.

:17:01. > :17:02.Lord Coe certainly does not have his problems to seek. Thanks very much.

:17:03. > :17:05.Still to come: A mother and her seven children,

:17:06. > :17:08.including a baby of just three weeks old, have drowned while trying

:17:09. > :17:11.to cross the Aegean Sea from Turkey into Greece.

:17:12. > :17:13.A total of 13 children have been washed up on Turkey's beaches

:17:14. > :17:21.We'll be speaking to our correspondent there.

:17:22. > :17:26.Plus, we have exclusive access to a programme to help stop young adults

:17:27. > :17:29.who have been in prison from reoffending. Often they do not

:17:30. > :17:30.qualify for the support given to youth offenders. We will find out

:17:31. > :17:34.why. The Prime Minister, who's in Poland

:17:35. > :17:40.for talks on European Union reform, says 'meaningful change'

:17:41. > :17:41.has already begun. Mr Cameron said there was goodwill

:17:42. > :17:44.and engagement to keep the UK He also said Poland had agreed

:17:45. > :17:49.to work with Britain There's been more floods misery

:17:50. > :17:56.for parts of Cumbria and Lancashire. In one village, Glenridding,

:17:57. > :17:58.the river overtopped its banks People have been moved

:17:59. > :18:05.to safety overnight. The Army, fire crews and mountain

:18:06. > :18:08.rescue teams have all been called Our news correspondent Fiona Trott

:18:09. > :18:20.is in Appleby in Cumbria. Just what they don't need?

:18:21. > :18:25.Exactly. People all the time keeping an eye on those river levels. Taken

:18:26. > :18:30.care in Appleby, a flood warning is in place, you can understand why.

:18:31. > :18:34.The level rising sharply over the last few hours. St Michael's village

:18:35. > :18:38.in Lancashire, evacuation taking place there at the moment, a lot of

:18:39. > :18:43.rain water overnight, a lot of flooded homes this morning. A severe

:18:44. > :18:48.flood warnings in place, which means danger to life. Let me take you now

:18:49. > :18:52.to lend wedding and show you footage taken by a local shopkeeper. Look

:18:53. > :18:56.how fast that was going past his shop door last night. That is why

:18:57. > :19:01.for the second time the military work brought back help fire crews,

:19:02. > :19:06.help the police to get people out of their homes. They had to use rope to

:19:07. > :19:11.get people out of one building. That was the situation in Glenridding.

:19:12. > :19:15.Here in Appleby, people trying to clear up but still worried about the

:19:16. > :19:20.rain and the river levels. You can see this local shop here, all of the

:19:21. > :19:23.furniture and stock abandoned on the pavement, and look at the river

:19:24. > :19:27.level, underneath the bridge. You can see it is still closed, some of

:19:28. > :19:29.this local shop here, all of the furniture and stock abandoned on the

:19:30. > :19:31.pavement, and look at the river level, underneath the bridge. You

:19:32. > :19:36.can see it is still stopping people from going over, one of many bridges

:19:37. > :19:40.due to be inspected by the military in Cumbria to make sure they are

:19:41. > :19:44.safe. So, 13 flood warnings in place across England and Wales, one severe

:19:45. > :19:48.flood warning for Saint Michael's in Lancashire and where the evacuation

:19:49. > :19:51.is taking place at the moment. Thank you.

:19:52. > :19:54.French prosecutors are investigating the decision to award the 2021

:19:55. > :20:03.World Athletics Championships to Eugene in the US state of Oregon.

:20:04. > :20:11.The city is closely linked to the American sportswear giant, 90. Lord

:20:12. > :20:12.Coe, until recently an ambassador for the company, has denied lobbying

:20:13. > :20:13.the bid. The Nuffield Trust says the NHS

:20:14. > :20:16.will struggle to cope this winter, unless more beds are made

:20:17. > :20:18.available in care homes. It says more than a third

:20:19. > :20:21.of hospital beds are taken up by a small group of patients,

:20:22. > :20:24.mainly fragile and elderly people, and it suggests targeting

:20:25. > :20:32.more help towards them. The Government says it will robustly

:20:33. > :20:37.defend a compensation claim being made by one of the killers of

:20:38. > :20:41.Fusilier Lee Rigby. Michael Adebolajo says he was assaulted two

:20:42. > :20:44.years ago by officers at Belmarsh prison whilst being restrained.

:20:45. > :20:47.A surrogate dog in the US has given birth to the world's first

:20:48. > :20:50.All seven pups, who have three sets of biological parents,

:20:51. > :20:53.are said to be healthy and doing well at Cornell University

:20:54. > :20:56.They were born after 19 embryos were transferred to the host

:20:57. > :21:04.Let's catch up with all the sport now.

:21:05. > :21:06.After Manchester United went crashing out of the Champions League

:21:07. > :21:10.on Tuesday night, all eyes turned to Arsenal and Chelsea,

:21:11. > :21:13.with worries all three could have been playing in the Europa League.

:21:14. > :21:17.Arsenal needed a two-goal win against Olympiakos in Greece -

:21:18. > :21:22.Olivier Giroud the hero with a hat-trick in their 3-0 win.

:21:23. > :21:25.For Chelsea, a point would have been enough at home to Porto -

:21:26. > :21:29.they won 2-0 to top Group G and ease the pressure on manager Jose

:21:30. > :21:33.Things looking brighter in elite football,

:21:34. > :21:35.but what about at the grassroots level?

:21:36. > :21:38.I'll be talking to Kelly Simmons, FA's Director of Development

:21:39. > :21:41.and Participation, about the huge investment -

:21:42. > :21:45.?260 million - pledged over the next four years,

:21:46. > :21:47.asking how and where the money will be spent.

:21:48. > :21:52.Many suggesting the cash needed to improve the game should be more,

:21:53. > :21:54.especially given the huge finances in football.

:21:55. > :21:57.We'll also talk athletics and Greg Rutherford,

:21:58. > :22:03.the Olympic gold medallist, still part of the Sports Personality

:22:04. > :22:05.Of The Year shortlist after previously withdrawing

:22:06. > :22:06.his nomination.

:22:07. > :22:08.I'll be back with those stories in more detail in around

:22:09. > :22:20.Thank you. Lots of you getting in touch about the expected delay to

:22:21. > :22:23.the decision on airport expansion. We are expecting David Cameron

:22:24. > :22:27.potentially to delay a decision on Heathrow or Gatwick for another six

:22:28. > :22:31.months when he talks about it later. Gary says, meanwhile, who is paying

:22:32. > :22:34.the bill for the earth work currently taking place and work

:22:35. > :22:38.carried out like to be stationed and wrote in? And other says, there will

:22:39. > :22:45.be no second or third runway decision the Gatwick or Heathrow

:22:46. > :22:54.until after the May 2016 London may boat. On Twitter, are there plans to

:22:55. > :22:58.make North hold the short-haul hub? On Twitter, no decision has been

:22:59. > :23:02.made for 50 years, which would indicate the extra runway is not

:23:03. > :23:05.needed, we are fine without it. Another on Twitter, David Cameron

:23:06. > :23:08.just cannot make difficult decisions.

:23:09. > :23:09.Do keep getting in touch, not just on that but all of the stories we

:23:10. > :23:11.are covering today. A mother and her seven children,

:23:12. > :23:14.the youngest a baby of just three weeks old, have drowned while trying

:23:15. > :23:17.to cross the Aegean Sea The family were fleeing

:23:18. > :23:20.the Syrian civil war. In the last ten days,

:23:21. > :23:30.13 children have been washed up on Turkey's beaches -

:23:31. > :23:33.their families all trying to make Our reporter Mark Lowen

:23:34. > :23:37.is following the story from Cesme in Western Turkey and

:23:38. > :23:43.joins us live now. Tell us what has happened here.

:23:44. > :23:49.It is a heartbreaking story, the story of a man who came with his

:23:50. > :23:55.family from Syria, and Islamic State held area, and he, his sister, his

:23:56. > :24:00.wife and seven children tried to make a short crossing across the

:24:01. > :24:06.Aegean Sea to a Greek island, tantalisingly close. They paid 7000

:24:07. > :24:09.US dollars, about ?4000, for what they hoped would be a sturdy boat,

:24:10. > :24:15.more so than the rubber dinghies that have capsized all too often.

:24:16. > :24:19.But the engine failed, the boat flooded with water and capsized, and

:24:20. > :24:24.he lost his wife and seven children. The eldest was nine years old, the

:24:25. > :24:28.youngest just 20 days old. Sitting on the beach-front here in Cesme,

:24:29. > :24:31.you told me about the family that he had lost.

:24:32. > :24:36.TRANSLATION: I had the most affectionate wife.

:24:37. > :24:38.I took my family out of Syria to escape the killing.

:24:39. > :24:42.My children could have had a future in Europe.

:24:43. > :24:46.What is your message to other Syrians who want to make

:24:47. > :25:02.They said we would reach Greece within 15 minutes.

:25:03. > :25:04.I advise everyone, don't come, stay in Syria, however

:25:05. > :25:20.You said this is not an isolated case, and tragically it is not, 13

:25:21. > :25:23.children have died in the last ten days here. Another bout of six

:25:24. > :25:27.Afghan children drowned in the last few days as well. Turkey is under

:25:28. > :25:36.pressure to stem the flow of migrants and refugees, they are

:25:37. > :25:46.signing a deal with the EU in the next two years to patrol the border,

:25:47. > :25:54.but with just a fraction of the Syrians here in Turkey living in the

:25:55. > :25:58.cities and towns, hard to control, and the dream of Europe burning

:25:59. > :26:02.bright, it will be difficult to restrain those seeking sanctuary

:26:03. > :26:07.from the Turkish civil war. Let's bring you breaking news about the

:26:08. > :26:12.number of terror arrests in September. We are hearing from the

:26:13. > :26:16.Home Office that 315 terror suspects were arrested in the year to

:26:17. > :26:20.September, a record number. They say that is partly down to a major

:26:21. > :26:25.increase in the number of females detained. Looking at a breakdown of

:26:26. > :26:31.the figures, the number of women and girls detained more than doubled

:26:32. > :26:34.from 21 to 50. The number of under 18-year-olds arrested for terrorism

:26:35. > :26:39.related offences almost doubled from eight in the year ending September

:26:40. > :26:49.20 14th to 15th in the year ending this September -- the year ending

:26:50. > :26:51.September 2014. A record number, we will bring you more on that if we

:26:52. > :26:55.get it. Coming up: Why the education

:26:56. > :26:57.regulator is expected to say that more exam papers than ever

:26:58. > :27:00.were remarked this summer. If you commit a crime

:27:01. > :27:02.after the age of 17, you're treated as an adult

:27:03. > :27:04.by the authorities. There's little or none

:27:05. > :27:06.of the support that's given A committee of MPs is now looking

:27:07. > :27:11.at whether that should be the case, or if young adults need

:27:12. > :27:12.special treatment. We've been given exclusive access

:27:13. > :27:15.to an innovative project in south London which is already trying

:27:16. > :27:19.to help these offenders. Set up by police officers

:27:20. > :27:22.at Brixton police station, its aim is to stop them

:27:23. > :27:26.committing further crimes. This report is from

:27:27. > :27:30.Ashley John-Baptiste. Literally it was a couple

:27:31. > :27:38.of weeks after my birthday. I was having a drink,

:27:39. > :27:40.I threw a plastic bottle out I looked out of the window

:27:41. > :27:47.and I realised the man I could not speak a word in English

:27:48. > :27:53.but I understood he was upset. I was under the influence of alcohol

:27:54. > :27:56.so I went to the kitchen, Got into his car, and he was trying

:27:57. > :28:10.to call the police so I smashed I tried to stab him a few times,

:28:11. > :28:16.when he was sitting in his car. I can't really say, I don't

:28:17. > :28:22.remember how I did it, but I just know he suffered

:28:23. > :28:37.an injury in his shoulder. I was given a custodial

:28:38. > :28:40.sentence of four years. Prison for me at the age

:28:41. > :29:02.of 18 was really hard. The separation from my family,

:29:03. > :29:06.from my parents, it was hard to understand that now I am

:29:07. > :29:09.wasting my life in here sitting in a cell when I could have been

:29:10. > :29:13.studying, trying to get a job. Trying to do things that

:29:14. > :29:16.are positive to my life. But clearly, because of the choice

:29:17. > :29:19.that I made, now I am sitting Young adults are treated much

:29:20. > :29:26.like adult offenders but the evidence shows

:29:27. > :29:28.they are different. Recent research has found

:29:29. > :29:32.that they are still maturing, more challenging to manage,

:29:33. > :29:34.and crucially, more I went back to prison for the simple

:29:35. > :29:49.reasons that there was no support. I wanted to get a house,

:29:50. > :29:56.I wanted to get a job, I wanted to get an apprenticeship,

:29:57. > :29:59.I wanted to do something positive. But the reality is that there

:30:00. > :30:02.was nothing there and on top of it So if you turn up to a job interview

:30:03. > :30:07.the first thing they will look at is, do you have

:30:08. > :30:09.a criminal record? OK, well, let me give it to somebody

:30:10. > :30:29.else who has those things. People made the assumption

:30:30. > :30:32.because I am now older I should know And the reality is, that I wasn't

:30:33. > :30:38.aware of what I am doing, fully. So I needed support,

:30:39. > :30:41.I needed support in the sense of show me what's

:30:42. > :30:42.right, what's wrong. Or maybe not necessarily what's

:30:43. > :30:45.right and what's wrong, but how do I overcome the wrong

:30:46. > :30:57.to turn it into a right thing? This is often the first part

:30:58. > :31:01.of the journey for young adult offenders - an overnight

:31:02. > :31:04.stay in a police cell. A group of police officers

:31:05. > :31:07.here in Brixton, south London, have decided this is

:31:08. > :31:10.the crucial time to intervene. They have set up a radical

:31:11. > :31:13.new project to try and stop young We will go and speak to him,

:31:14. > :31:34.see if he wants to engage with us. If we can sit down with him we can

:31:35. > :31:37.find out what the story is. If he wants the help I am sure

:31:38. > :31:41.we can give it to him. This is a unique new scheme, to try

:31:42. > :31:44.and stop young adults reoffending. It targets anyone who is brought

:31:45. > :31:48.into custody here under the age of 25 and tries to get them a job

:31:49. > :31:51.when they are released. To help them find work

:31:52. > :31:54.when they are released We are just going to make our way

:31:55. > :31:58.down to cell seven. A young man called Abdi

:31:59. > :32:00.was brought in last night I understand you don't

:32:01. > :32:05.want to be on the camera However, not everyone

:32:06. > :32:09.wants their help. That's fine, I won't take up

:32:10. > :32:14.any more of your time, Do you remember my name's Anne-Marie

:32:15. > :32:40.and I am coordinating Are you still happy

:32:41. > :32:43.to talk? Do you remember when

:32:44. > :32:55.you was first arrested? But when he got arrested he pointed

:32:56. > :33:07.out, saying it was me. I'm just gonna you ask you a few

:33:08. > :33:20.questions about you and your interests, what sort

:33:21. > :33:23.of things you like doing, Are you into football,

:33:24. > :33:30.anything like that? OK, what sort of art and design,

:33:31. > :33:42.what do you like doing? Design peoples tattoos,

:33:43. > :33:50.design graphics, stuff like that. So why didn't you

:33:51. > :33:52.become a tattooist? So is that something that

:33:53. > :34:01.you would be interested in as well? You just had the consultation

:34:02. > :34:09.with Marcus, how did it go? It went really well,

:34:10. > :34:12.Marcus really opened up. Lots of potential, lots of interests

:34:13. > :34:17.I was tapping into and that I am going to develop and explore

:34:18. > :34:19.with Marcus later on. At this stage how hopeful

:34:20. > :34:24.are you that you can get him a job? I am 100% positive about that

:34:25. > :34:29.and I am very hopeful. Where do you think you would be

:34:30. > :34:33.without the lifeline It's the best thing I've

:34:34. > :34:51.heard since I've been To hear they will come and do that,

:34:52. > :34:58.it made me feel good. Now I feel like, if they do let me

:34:59. > :35:02.out I have someone I can speak Do you think this could be the end

:35:03. > :35:09.of your life of crime? These young adults that

:35:10. > :35:21.want to engage with us, when they engage with us and say

:35:22. > :35:25.they want to change, they have every chance

:35:26. > :35:27.of anybody else. We have young people

:35:28. > :35:30.that we arrest that can be brought If they want to engage

:35:31. > :35:35.with us they have got a lot Drug dealers know risk,

:35:36. > :35:39.they know business strategy When you tell them that,

:35:40. > :35:45.when you say that the line you are going down is wrong

:35:46. > :35:48.but the skills you have are right to be used in business and be used

:35:49. > :35:51.in other elements, they start There currently aren't any national

:35:52. > :36:01.programmes to deal with young adult offenders, meaning it's up to local

:36:02. > :36:05.services to take initiative. When you turn 18,

:36:06. > :36:11.that is pretty much it. Unless you are a serial offender

:36:12. > :36:14.there is not much else there for young people

:36:15. > :36:17.that make those mistakes Although we have only been

:36:18. > :36:26.going for six months what it has really proved is that this works

:36:27. > :36:29.and can fit anywhere else I've been arrested

:36:30. > :36:48.more than 50 times. Why have you been arrested

:36:49. > :37:02.so many times? Because crime is all

:37:03. > :37:06.I've known for a good - I have had jobs but they've never

:37:07. > :37:13.lasted. I've worked up to a month and lost

:37:14. > :37:16.jobs through drug abuse, Yeah, I don't know, I haven't got

:37:17. > :37:24.an exact answer Why do you think you're

:37:25. > :37:30.still getting arrested? Because I feel once you're

:37:31. > :37:32.in the system you're stuck. I feel like, once you've -

:37:33. > :37:37.maybe once or twice as a kid could have been swept away

:37:38. > :37:40.but when I got arrested so many times and was in and out of court

:37:41. > :37:44.so much, now if I got arrested for spitting on the floor I reckon

:37:45. > :37:47.I would be straight in court. Whereas if you or someone else that

:37:48. > :37:50.hasn't been arrested so much done it I just feel like it doesn't matter

:37:51. > :37:55.what I do, I'm stuck in that life. It's like a circle I can't

:37:56. > :38:02.get out of. Within two days of being out

:38:03. > :38:06.they have constantly been ringing my phone and try to get me

:38:07. > :38:09.to come and see them and that, so it does seem like they are trying

:38:10. > :38:13.to help me if I'm honest. Has that ever happened

:38:14. > :38:14.to you before? I've had help offered to me most

:38:15. > :38:20.of the times but it has always been And I have always said

:38:21. > :38:28.no, to be honest. But for some reason,

:38:29. > :38:31.something about these lot made me They've got me a job interview

:38:32. > :38:37.for a demolition job. And they are saying that if it goes

:38:38. > :38:40.through, like, well, it could take me around the world

:38:41. > :38:43.and that sort of stuff. How do you respond to the prospect

:38:44. > :38:48.of getting a job that could take Makes me feel happy,

:38:49. > :39:17.to be honest with you. Marcus, who was featured

:39:18. > :39:21.in our film, pleaded guilty He is now free to take

:39:22. > :39:31.up his offer from the magazine. The stakes are high for getting

:39:32. > :39:34.the right exam grades. For pupils it can mean

:39:35. > :39:36.the difference between gaining or missing out

:39:37. > :39:38.on a university place. For a school it can mean

:39:39. > :39:41.changes in league tables. But what happens if there are doubts

:39:42. > :40:01.over the accuracy of the marking? This morning we found out there's

:40:02. > :40:03.been an increase of 22 % which has led to 90,000 grades being changed.

:40:04. > :40:07.Let's talk now to Sam Wright, she had her English AS Level

:40:08. > :40:11.remarked from U to C this year, Steve Taylor, Chief Executive

:40:12. > :40:15.of the Cabot Learning Federation and Martin Lavelle, Headteacher

:40:16. > :40:26.Sam, you first of all, U to C, that must have been stressful while you

:40:27. > :40:30.were waiting for that to happen. Tell us about it? I didn't expect to

:40:31. > :40:34.it be regraded so when I was told it was being regraded I was happy about

:40:35. > :40:38.it because I was very upset to get the U at first and it was quite a

:40:39. > :40:42.shock. What were you expecting to get? I didn't think that the exam

:40:43. > :40:46.had gone amazing so I expected to get like at least a D but when it

:40:47. > :40:53.came back a U I was really upset about it. So what impact did it have

:40:54. > :40:56.on you in any potential choices? It meant that my university choices I

:40:57. > :41:02.had to lower them down because of that U, I couldn't apply to the ones

:41:03. > :41:05.that I wanted to. So I had to fine lower offering universities and

:41:06. > :41:10.things like that. Steve Taylor, Chief Executive of a group that runs

:41:11. > :41:17.14 academies. How can this be happening? First of all,

:41:18. > :41:22.congratulations to Sam on ending up with a grade she no doubt absolutely

:41:23. > :41:26.deserves. We look at the data and figures and we can be concerned

:41:27. > :41:30.about possible uncertainties in if system, but fundamentally on the

:41:31. > :41:33.other end, there are young people who've worked extremely hard over a

:41:34. > :41:37.period of time and it's absolutely right that there's an opportunity

:41:38. > :41:42.for schools to challenge where there may be a remark that could make a

:41:43. > :41:48.difference to someone's future. The number of challenges being made is

:41:49. > :41:51.increasing based on the new figures. Across your academies, what are you

:41:52. > :41:55.seeing? Are schools putting in more challenges with the schools you are

:41:56. > :41:58.working with? No, actually, ours have remained pretty consistent. The

:41:59. > :42:03.way it works is that we see that there are some pupils that have

:42:04. > :42:06.narrowly missed out on a grade that's either the one that'll get

:42:07. > :42:10.them on to their next course or the one we expected them to get and our

:42:11. > :42:14.perspective is, if you are the parent of that child, you are

:42:15. > :42:17.looking for someone to help you out, and if there's a chance to check,

:42:18. > :42:22.you would expect a school to do that and to help you do that. It's not

:42:23. > :42:27.something we plan for, we don't have an idea in advance of how many

:42:28. > :42:32.remarks there'll be, we want to make sure, especially after all of the

:42:33. > :42:36.work that's gone into supporting young people up to their exams that,

:42:37. > :42:39.they have the best possible chance of getting the right grade. Martin,

:42:40. > :42:44.do you have faith in the exam boards? I recognise what Steve's

:42:45. > :42:52.been saying and I am glad you have Sam here as well because as you have

:42:53. > :42:56.heard, at its heart of all this is a young person who's worked damn hard.

:42:57. > :42:59.I find it a bit of a situation at the moment, I don't have absolute

:43:00. > :43:03.faith in the exam system, no. There are pressures they are under, about

:43:04. > :43:08.the quality assurance of the marking which is done in the first place.

:43:09. > :43:11.There are concerns around the grading and the grade boundaries

:43:12. > :43:17.which seem to change after the exams have been sat by students. I think

:43:18. > :43:21.there are real issues. But equally, I think people just bat on and we

:43:22. > :43:28.don't panic, we do what Steve said, look at the students who are within

:43:29. > :43:32.a mark or two and worth checking but it's a concern. Are you putting many

:43:33. > :43:36.pupils forward and, I guess if they are not being put forward, they'll

:43:37. > :43:42.be maybe thinking, hang on, when you hear about a U to a C, even a U to

:43:43. > :43:46.an A we have heard about, a loot of people might be thinking, maybe

:43:47. > :43:52.these things should be put in as a matter of routine? I don't think we

:43:53. > :43:56.are rushing to put people in because at the end of the day it costs money

:43:57. > :44:00.and if you are not successful you can end up with a big bill, we are

:44:01. > :44:06.talking tens of thousands of pounds. It's a big industry. Tell us more

:44:07. > :44:10.about what you mean by that? Well, I think what you will find at this

:44:11. > :44:14.time of year, head teachers across the country looking at the grades

:44:15. > :44:18.will have real concerns. I've been at a meeting with Enfield's head

:44:19. > :44:22.teachers where concerns have been raised about the quality of marking,

:44:23. > :44:26.about the incredible changes in some subjects which just weren't

:44:27. > :44:28.expected, you have experienced teachers who've done nothing

:44:29. > :44:34.different and certain think grades have plummeted but it's a case of

:44:35. > :44:40.looking at that. We are in a bit of a - sorry I'm digressing - but we

:44:41. > :44:43.are in a perfect storm. Schools are under pressure, with massive changes

:44:44. > :44:48.to the curriculum. We are having to look at how we cope with budget cuts

:44:49. > :44:54.in real terms of maybe 7% because we are having a stand still budget, but

:44:55. > :44:58.we have got to find money to pay for national insurance et cetera. There

:44:59. > :45:02.are sort of cold-hearted decisions which have to be made about what the

:45:03. > :45:06.priorities are. The priorities are always going to be the students,

:45:07. > :45:11.it's got to be the outcomes, they get one chance at a decent life and

:45:12. > :45:17.education, and we just have to make sure that somehow we are bouncing

:45:18. > :45:23.all these things and ensuring that the young people come out with their

:45:24. > :45:29.deserved results at the end -- balancing all those things.

:45:30. > :45:32.Let's catch up with the very latest weather update with Carol.

:45:33. > :45:46.Good morning. We have seen a huge amount of rain

:45:47. > :45:50.in the last 24 hours. Quite a difference in the amount of rain we

:45:51. > :46:00.have had on the coastline compared to inland. 12 millimetres there in

:46:01. > :46:04.the last 24 hours. Much more than that, 42 millimetres and 68

:46:05. > :46:09.millimetres, inland. A lot of rain in a short amount of time,

:46:10. > :46:12.especially when the ground is saturated.

:46:13. > :46:16.Today, we are looking at further rain showers moving south. But it is

:46:17. > :46:20.winter and we are seeing snow as well. One of our weather watchers

:46:21. > :46:25.sent in this picture from the Highlands this morning. We had a

:46:26. > :46:30.line of showers going through, we should not be surprised to see snow,

:46:31. > :46:34.it is winter! The temperature was one Celsius. In stark contrast as we

:46:35. > :46:36.can further south, and even now further south, temperatures in

:46:37. > :46:41.double figures. The weather is all over the place.

:46:42. > :46:48.So it will not be a white Christmas? If I knew that I would be straight

:46:49. > :46:52.to the bookies! Today, we have got rain, the rain

:46:53. > :46:55.that affected parts of England this morning is continuing its descent

:46:56. > :47:00.south eastwards and you can see what has been happening in the last six

:47:01. > :47:04.hours or. Behind it, and line of showers there, that what produces

:47:05. > :47:09.the snow across Carrbridge and Aviemore, for example. As we go

:47:10. > :47:12.through the course of the day, the rain comes out and you can see the

:47:13. > :47:17.line of demarcation between the mild area in the south and the cold as

:47:18. > :47:21.flooding in behind it. Temperatures roughly around five Celsius behind

:47:22. > :47:26.the band of rain. Locally lower than that and ahead of it's still in

:47:27. > :47:30.double figures. ", We have got the rain is slowly making its journey

:47:31. > :47:35.south eastwards, still windy ahead of it, a lot of cloud and drizzle.

:47:36. > :47:38.Behind it, I returned to sunshine and showers. Some of the showers

:47:39. > :47:42.will be happy and thundery with Hale, someone merge, giving heavier

:47:43. > :47:46.downpours, and some of the downpours across Scotland will the wing

:47:47. > :47:51.trimmer is even at lower levels but most will tend to be in the hills

:47:52. > :48:00.and mountains -- across Scotland will be wintry. Equally, a lot of

:48:01. > :48:04.dry weather around and some sunshine. Here is the line of rain

:48:05. > :48:08.from the south-west, through the Midlands, into East Anglia. The far

:48:09. > :48:12.south-eastern corner hangs to the dry conditions. By the time we get

:48:13. > :48:16.to 3pm, the rain should have cleared Wales and it will be colder but also

:48:17. > :48:20.brighter. Through the evening and overnight, the rain makes it down to

:48:21. > :48:23.the south, for a time it will dry in the south-west apart from a few

:48:24. > :48:26.showers but by the end of the night more rain coming back in from the

:48:27. > :48:31.south-west across the southern counties. Back into the cold air,

:48:32. > :48:36.there will be some clear skies and some frost around tonight, and still

:48:37. > :48:39.those showers. Once again on higher ground they are likely to fall

:48:40. > :48:45.asleep or snow but the heavier showers they have some of that at

:48:46. > :48:49.lower levels. Tomorrow, the weather front will be in the south but you

:48:50. > :48:54.can see how it is starting to turn around and Saturday will come back

:48:55. > :48:57.in our direction. On Friday, while we have another weather front in the

:48:58. > :49:03.north, we will see rain at both ends of the country. Here is the cloud

:49:04. > :49:07.and rain, breezy conditions across southern counties for a time, that

:49:08. > :49:12.will move away leaving showers. North, another weather front

:49:13. > :49:17.producing outbreaks of rain and some of that being wintry, more

:49:18. > :49:20.especially on higher ground. In between, some sunshine. Not a bad

:49:21. > :49:24.day although it will feel cold anywhere from East Anglia, through

:49:25. > :49:29.the Midlands and into Wales. Temperature levels only four in

:49:30. > :49:36.Aberdeen to highs of around 13 as we pushed down to the Channel Islands.

:49:37. > :49:40.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:49:41. > :49:45.The debate continues on where to build a new airport

:49:46. > :49:48.runway but the Government's decision could be delayed for another six

:49:49. > :49:50.months, a move businesses claim could cost billions.

:49:51. > :49:52.David Cameron's expected to make an announcement this evening.

:49:53. > :49:54.Some of the world's biggest tobacco businesses are taking

:49:55. > :49:59.It's over new rules which will mean all branding, logos and trademarks

:50:00. > :50:06.Health officials want plain packaging to be used instead.

:50:07. > :50:09.We have exclusive access to a programme to help stop young

:50:10. > :50:11.adults who have been in prison from reoffending.

:50:12. > :50:14.Often they don't qualify for the support given to youth

:50:15. > :50:22.offenders - we'll be finding out why.

:50:23. > :50:29.If they do let me on, I have got someone I can speak to, try to get

:50:30. > :50:32.me into it. Do you think this could be the end to the life of crime?

:50:33. > :50:45.Yes. The Polish Prime Minister has told

:50:46. > :50:51.David Cameron she does not CIA to eye with him on curbing benefits for

:50:52. > :50:54.migrants from the European Union. Mr Cameron is in Warsaw to try to win

:50:55. > :50:56.backing for the reforms he wants before a promised referendum on

:50:57. > :51:05.Britain's's membership of the EU. A Syrian woman and all seven

:51:06. > :51:07.of her children have drowned as they attempted to cross

:51:08. > :51:10.the Aegean Sea, from Turkey They had been fleeing

:51:11. > :51:12.Islamic State militants. The only member of the family

:51:13. > :51:15.to survive was the children's father, who has warned other Syrians

:51:16. > :51:24.not to make leave the country. TRANSLATION: I had the most

:51:25. > :51:29.affectionate wife, I took my family out of Syria to escape the killing.

:51:30. > :51:35.My children could have had a future in Europe. Now I have lost my

:51:36. > :51:40.family, my world. What is your message to other Syrians who want to

:51:41. > :51:46.make the same journey? I would say, don't take this risk. Don't go by

:51:47. > :51:50.sea. You will lose your children. The smugglers are traitors, they

:51:51. > :51:55.said we would reach Greece within 15 minutes. I advise everyone, don't

:51:56. > :51:58.come, stay in Syria, however difficult it is.

:51:59. > :52:01.There's been more floods misery for parts of Cumbria and Lancashire.

:52:02. > :52:03.In one village, Glenridding, the river overtopped its banks

:52:04. > :52:06.People have been moved to safety overnight.

:52:07. > :52:09.The Army, fire crews and mountain rescue teams have all been called

:52:10. > :52:22.There has been a big increase in the number of requests to remaster GCSE

:52:23. > :52:24.and A-level according to the exam regulator. The proportion of results

:52:25. > :52:26.that were changed has actually dropped slightly.

:52:27. > :52:33.French prosecutors open an investigation into the decision

:52:34. > :52:35.over who'll host the 2021 World Athletics championship.

:52:36. > :52:38.It's gone to the US city of Eugene, which is closely linked

:52:39. > :52:44.The new president of athletics' governing body, Lord Coe,

:52:45. > :52:47.who was until recently a Nike paid ambassador, has denied

:52:48. > :52:55.NHS England has published performance data for England,

:52:56. > :52:59.showing key target for ambulance response times, A waiting, cancer

:53:00. > :53:02.care and diagnostic tests are still being missed. On many measures the

:53:03. > :53:08.figures are worse this year than this time last year and show a

:53:09. > :53:11.deterioration since September. The Government says it will robustly

:53:12. > :53:13.defend a compensation claim being made by one of the killers of

:53:14. > :53:15.Fusilier Lee Rigby. Michael Adebolajo alleges

:53:16. > :53:17.he was assaulted two years ago by officers at Belmarsh Prison

:53:18. > :53:19.while being restrained. A surrogate dog in the US has given

:53:20. > :53:22.birth to the world's first All seven pups, who have three sets

:53:23. > :53:26.of biological parents, are said to be healthy and doing

:53:27. > :53:29.well at Cornell University They were born after 19 embryos

:53:30. > :53:34.were transferred to the host Hello, thank you for

:53:35. > :53:39.joining us this morning. Welcome to the programme

:53:40. > :53:44.if you've just joined us. We're on BBC Two and the BBC News

:53:45. > :53:48.Channel until 11am this morning. Your contributions to this programme

:53:49. > :53:51.and your expertise really is key. Texts will be charged

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:53:54. > :53:55.the programme online wherever you are via the BBC News app

:53:56. > :53:58.or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria. And you can also subscribe

:53:59. > :54:02.to all our features on the news app by going to 'add topics'

:54:03. > :54:11.and searching 'Victoria Derbyshire'. We will be hearing some of your

:54:12. > :54:15.comments on the stories we have covered in a few moments. First, the

:54:16. > :54:19.latest on the news we broke a little while ago that a record number of

:54:20. > :54:21.terror suspects were arrested in the year to September according to the

:54:22. > :54:23.latest Home Office figures. Our home affairs correspondent

:54:24. > :54:31.Danny Shaw is here. These are figures for England, Wales

:54:32. > :54:36.and Scotland in the year to be in the September. What they show is

:54:37. > :54:40.there were 315 terrorism related arrests, up by more than a third on

:54:41. > :54:44.the previous year. What is interesting about these figures is

:54:45. > :54:49.there has been a big increase in the number of girls and women who have

:54:50. > :54:54.been detained, that has gone up from 21 to 50. Still a small proportion

:54:55. > :54:58.of the total but increasing. The number of under 18s who have been

:54:59. > :55:04.arrested has gone up from eight to 15, almost doubled. In some ways

:55:05. > :55:07.this comes as no surprise, we know that the terrorism threat level is

:55:08. > :55:10.stuck at Sabia, which means an attack is highly likely. We know

:55:11. > :55:17.there has been a huge amount of activity by police following events

:55:18. > :55:22.abroad and concern here about people travelling to Syria to fight and so

:55:23. > :55:26.on. In someways this isn't a surprise, but it does show the scale

:55:27. > :55:30.of the police activity and the threat they face. What happens to

:55:31. > :55:35.those people once they are arrested, the figures provide some indication.

:55:36. > :55:41.39% were charged with an offence, usually a terrorism related offence.

:55:42. > :55:47.22% released on police bail, 37% released without any charges. A

:55:48. > :55:50.significant proportion of those arrested do not face any action at

:55:51. > :55:54.all from the police. Is it possible to read much behind

:55:55. > :55:58.these figures in terms of other more people are being radicalised or

:55:59. > :56:02.whether it is that the security services are getting a better grip

:56:03. > :56:05.on being able to monitor what is going on?

:56:06. > :56:09.It is probably a bit of both. We have heard from counterterrorism

:56:10. > :56:13.officials that there is increasing concern about radicalisation, but it

:56:14. > :56:16.also may be that the police counterterrorism agencies do have a

:56:17. > :56:26.stronger grip on what is going on out there. We know that seven plots

:56:27. > :56:28.have been boiled over the last year, there were arrests last week,

:56:29. > :56:31.charges this week. This is something going on every day, every week. The

:56:32. > :56:34.resources for counterterrorism are protected by the Government, so

:56:35. > :56:37.there will be more officers recruited by the police, certainly

:56:38. > :56:38.by the security agencies as well, to deal with the threat.

:56:39. > :56:41.Thank you. Let's catch up with all

:56:42. > :56:47.the sport now and join Hugh. Olivier Giroud scored a hat-trick

:56:48. > :56:54.to complete Arsenal's great escape and take them through to the last 16

:56:55. > :56:58.of the Champions League. After losing their opening two group

:56:59. > :57:01.games, they needed to beat Olympiakos by two clear goals

:57:02. > :57:03.in Athens, or they would fail to reach the knock-out

:57:04. > :57:06.stage for the first time. But Giroud's first hat-trick

:57:07. > :57:09.for Arsenal made sure they'll be Chelsea finished top of their group

:57:10. > :57:21.with a 2-0 victory over So all smiles at the top

:57:22. > :57:31.of the game, but what about amateur players and the kids

:57:32. > :57:33.just starting out? Are the costs involved too much

:57:34. > :57:38.for families at a time Well, they are putting ?260 million

:57:39. > :57:46.into coaching and pitches Their director of development

:57:47. > :58:02.and participation, Kellie Simmons, It is an ambitious plan to change

:58:03. > :58:06.pictures like this all over the country. Since the football

:58:07. > :58:10.foundation started, there has been nearly three quarters of ?1 billion

:58:11. > :58:13.invested into facilities, there are some fantastic ones across the

:58:14. > :58:18.country but still some like this, we need to turn that around. We are

:58:19. > :58:23.arresting in 3G pitches so that children can play-on high-quality

:58:24. > :58:26.services, train and high-quality surfaces, and that suits adults who

:58:27. > :58:30.want to play midweek and after work, so it is important to get that

:58:31. > :58:34.across the country. But there are those who say the extra costs, there

:58:35. > :58:38.are teams folding up and down the country because of the running costs

:58:39. > :58:42.of clubs like this. Is there a support network for the clubs and

:58:43. > :58:47.families to keep kids participating in sport? Children's football is

:58:48. > :58:56.flourishing, we have had 5000 additional children's teams across

:58:57. > :58:58.the country in the last four years alone, mini soccer is thriving.

:58:59. > :59:01.There is support, what I would say to parents is to look on the website

:59:02. > :59:03.to find their local clubs, high-quality, free coaching

:59:04. > :59:08.available for young children, and we support clubs to get the costs down

:59:09. > :59:17.through free kit, grunts, education, there is a range of support. That is

:59:18. > :59:20.as well as the big facility grants. What about those who drop out of the

:59:21. > :59:25.game, children and apples, is there a support network aside from the

:59:26. > :59:30.money for coaching and pitches to make sure they stay in the game?

:59:31. > :59:34.There is a range of support. Through the clubs, we know children tend to

:59:35. > :59:39.drop out at 14, 15, 16, not just from football but team sport

:59:40. > :59:42.generally. A range of programmes in schools, colleges, further education

:59:43. > :59:45.to keep them involved in the game whilst they might be studying and

:59:46. > :59:50.have other pressures. A different problem just the 11 aside game for

:59:51. > :59:58.those who cannot commit to the nine-month season, midweek leagues,

:59:59. > :00:02.walking football for old people, there is a range of options

:00:03. > :00:05.available. Have a look on the website, talk to the county football

:00:06. > :00:08.Association, there are ways for everybody to get involved. Thank you

:00:09. > :00:09.for joining us, it will be good to see how the plan is delivered over

:00:10. > :00:17.the next four years. The Olympic long jump champion

:00:18. > :00:20.Greg Rutherford says he did pull out of the BBC Sports Personality

:00:21. > :00:23.of the Year awards show in the wake of comments from fellow

:00:24. > :00:25.nominee Tyson Fury, Rutherford, who's also the world,

:00:26. > :00:28.Commonwealth and European champion, took exception to controversial

:00:29. > :00:30.comments made by the world heavyweight champion

:00:31. > :00:35.on a range of topics. But he said he decided to attend

:00:36. > :00:38.the show on December 20th to make his family proud and thank

:00:39. > :00:40.them for their support. That is all the sport by now, I will

:00:41. > :00:45.have the headlines at 10:30am. Should we expand Heathrow airport,

:00:46. > :00:48.or is Gatwick the better option? The Government was due to make that

:00:49. > :00:51.decision before Christmas, but this week it emerged

:00:52. > :00:55.that this could get delayed We're expecting a decision from

:00:56. > :01:00.the Prime Minister this evening. The potential delay has been

:01:01. > :01:04.criticised by his political opponents, who feel he's manouvering

:01:05. > :01:07.himself out of a tricky situation. We can go now to our

:01:08. > :01:26.Political Guru Norman Smith Let's be honest, this is longest

:01:27. > :01:30.running saga in British politics. It's been dragging on since the

:01:31. > :01:34.1960s, since we last won the World Cup, since Harold Wilson was Prime

:01:35. > :01:37.Minister when he set up a commission just like David Cameron to look at

:01:38. > :01:42.where to build another runway or another airport in the south-east of

:01:43. > :01:45.England. What happened? Well, the Commission reported and the report

:01:46. > :01:52.got chucked in the bin and nothing happened and here we are years later

:01:53. > :01:55.after innumerable investigations, inquiries and commissions and

:01:56. > :02:01.nothing's happened. So will today be the day when David Cameron finally

:02:02. > :02:08.decides? Well, making the case for Heathrow leading the charge is the

:02:09. > :02:11.Chancellor. Now, Mr Osborne is backed by big business, he's backed

:02:12. > :02:16.by the Scottish Government, he's backed by many of the smaller

:02:17. > :02:20.airports in Birmingham and elsewhere which have hub connections with

:02:21. > :02:24.Heathrow, but basically, the Chancellor's argument is that it

:02:25. > :02:29.would be a huge boost to the British economy. There have been estimates

:02:30. > :02:32.that over the next 50 years it could create something like 70,000 jobs,

:02:33. > :02:39.boost the economy by around ?200 billion. Against him, is the man who

:02:40. > :02:45.could be his rival for the Tory leadership once Mr Cameron goes.

:02:46. > :02:50.Boris Johnson. He is leading the charge against Heathrow. Now, the

:02:51. > :02:57.Mayor of London argues that Heathrow is just in the wrong place because

:02:58. > :03:02.it means more flights going over poor old Londoners to reach

:03:03. > :03:09.Heathrow, and that, he says, will mean more pollution, more noise,

:03:10. > :03:13.more houses blighted. So he has said that if Mr Cameron gives the

:03:14. > :03:18.go-ahead to a third runway, he'd lie down in front of the bulldozers to

:03:19. > :03:21.stop it. So what does Mr Cameron do? Well, would he say yes? Well, he

:03:22. > :03:28.might do, because there's a lot of big beast in the Tory party, people

:03:29. > :03:31.like William Hague saying for heavens sake, just agree to give

:03:32. > :03:35.Heathrow the go ahead. He might do because if he doesn't there are

:03:36. > :03:46.concerns that international airports will overtake Heathrow as the major

:03:47. > :03:50.hub airport. PROBLEM WITH SOUND

:03:51. > :03:55.Might he say no? Well, Mr Cameron might say no, because if he does

:03:56. > :04:01.give it the go-ahead, he risks potential Civil War in the Tory

:04:02. > :04:07.party. Not just Boris Johnson, but the current Tory candidate for

:04:08. > :04:13.Mayor, Zach Goldsmith's threatened to force a by-election if Mr Cameron

:04:14. > :04:16.gave the go ahead to a third runway. There's the possibility of

:04:17. > :04:20.resignations from the Cabinet too, from people like Justine Greening,

:04:21. > :04:25.so he might not want a Civil War. But there's a personal reason why I

:04:26. > :04:32.think Mr Cameron might be very, very cautious. Have a look at this. This

:04:33. > :04:38.is an election leaflet from the last election and look at Mr Cameron's

:04:39. > :04:46.pledge on that when he said, "no ifs, no buts, no third runway" at

:04:47. > :04:50.Heathrow. So what is going to happen today when ministers meet? David

:04:51. > :04:56.Cameron will be sitting in the chair to decide what to do. My guess is it

:04:57. > :05:01.could be our old friend Fudgurama. In other words, Mr Cameron may sell,

:05:02. > :05:05.well we think Heathrow's got an awfully good case but perhaps they

:05:06. > :05:09.need a bit more time to make sure they've taken account of all the

:05:10. > :05:13.environmental concerns so tell you what, why don't we put it off for

:05:14. > :05:18.another six months before we reach another final decision and by the

:05:19. > :05:22.way, after the Mayoral elections after London and therefore hopefully

:05:23. > :05:27.in Mr Cameron's view avoiding a Civil War. Do you think that we'd

:05:28. > :05:31.definitely get a decision in six months if that's what happened? No

:05:32. > :05:35.is the truth. There is a view that Mr Cameron might not want to take

:05:36. > :05:40.this decision at all during this Parliament. When you talk to some

:05:41. > :05:44.people around Boris Johnson, they say, well, we think what is going to

:05:45. > :05:50.happen is Mr Cameron will put it off for six months saying there are

:05:51. > :05:52.issues around noise pollution, night flights, transport, and that

:05:53. > :05:56.Heathrow simply won't be able to come up with an answer to all those

:05:57. > :06:00.problems in six months. In fact, it will take more like two years and

:06:01. > :06:04.then they'll have had to redraw and redraft their plans so much they'll

:06:05. > :06:12.pretty much have to go back to square one and there'll have to be a

:06:13. > :06:18.whole new planling process in two years and guess what, Mr Cameron is

:06:19. > :06:23.not even Prime Minister then. So we are in for fudgurama or long grass!

:06:24. > :06:28.We'll talk about it in a moment with our guests. A quick word for you on

:06:29. > :06:32.an urgent question in the Commons later on unexpected hospital deaths.

:06:33. > :06:37.What are you expecting? Yes, we have been covering that this morning

:06:38. > :06:40.which is indications that the southern Health Authority which

:06:41. > :06:47.basically covers Hampshire, one of the largest Mental Health Trusts in

:06:48. > :06:52.the UK, has basically presided over a catalogue of failures in terms of

:06:53. > :06:56.investigating the deaths of patients and reports suggest over the past

:06:57. > :07:01.four years or so, there may have been more than 1,000 deaths which

:07:02. > :07:04.have not been properly investigated. Now, obviously, if that is true,

:07:05. > :07:09.that would be a major scandal. Labour have now secured an urgent

:07:10. > :07:13.statement in the Commons in the next half hour when they are going to be

:07:14. > :07:18.pressing, not just over what has happened, but how much confidence

:07:19. > :07:23.patients using the southern Health Authority can have now that things

:07:24. > :07:28.are being done properly. Also question marks about the board,

:07:29. > :07:31.about whether they should stay in place and also what sort of measures

:07:32. > :07:35.are going to be put in place to make sure this can't happen again. One

:07:36. > :07:38.interesting thing, I was just listening to the Care Minister in

:07:39. > :07:43.the last Government, Norman lamb, who was saying this morning he was

:07:44. > :07:46.completelyoblivious, didn't know, he wasn't told what was happening in

:07:47. > :07:53.this Health Trust. Thank you, Norman. I said we'd talk

:07:54. > :07:57.to a Tory MP and London's candidate former, they are joining me in the

:07:58. > :08:02.studio now, Bob Stuart and Sadiq Khan, thank you very much for coming

:08:03. > :08:06.in both of you. Sadiq Khan, Heathrow, Gatwick, do you think this

:08:07. > :08:10.is being kicked into the long grass potentially because of Zac Goldsmith

:08:11. > :08:13.and the political headache? Any decision to delay whether he

:08:14. > :08:16.increase airport capacity may be good for the internal politics of

:08:17. > :08:20.the Conservative Party, but it's bad news for London, the south-east and

:08:21. > :08:24.our country. The Government's got to decide. I'm in favour of a new

:08:25. > :08:31.runway at Gatwick Airport. You are now? The case has been made for the

:08:32. > :08:37.increased flight capacity. The reason why Heathrow is a bad idea

:08:38. > :08:41.is, last year alone, almost 10,000 Londoners died because of air

:08:42. > :08:45.quality. There are children in parts of London whose lungs are

:08:46. > :08:48.under-developed. Early this year, the UK Supreme Court held that our

:08:49. > :08:53.air was in breach of the air quality directive. So the air in London is a

:08:54. > :08:56.killer, it makes you sick and it's illegal. Those circumstances are not

:08:57. > :09:01.in favour of Heathrow, but I do think the case has been made for a

:09:02. > :09:05.new runway at Gatwick. It will be cheaper, lead to jobs and growth but

:09:06. > :09:09.it will provide competition for Heathrow to be better rather than

:09:10. > :09:14.bigger. You had a conversion this year didn't you, you used to be

:09:15. > :09:18.supporting Heathrow, Zac Goldsmith said it's about as authentic as

:09:19. > :09:23.Donald Trump's hair? He should check his facts. In 2009 I was in favour

:09:24. > :09:28.of increased flight capacity as I am now. The facts have changed and I'm

:09:29. > :09:33.not scared to change my mind if the facts change. Last year 10,000 died,

:09:34. > :09:36.children's lungs underdeveloped and the Supreme Court this April said

:09:37. > :09:42.the air was unlawful. Experts say if we stay as we are, we can't meet our

:09:43. > :09:46.air quality obligations, that's before the runway at Heathrow

:09:47. > :09:52.Airport. Cameron should say yes to Gatwick, no to Heathrow and let's

:09:53. > :09:57.get on with it. Why isn't he making a decision Bob Stuart? Probably for

:09:58. > :10:01.the run we have just rehearsed, that it's politically difficult at the

:10:02. > :10:05.moment. When won't it be? It's always going to be politically

:10:06. > :10:10.difficult and right now we have got the Mayoral election. I think

:10:11. > :10:17.Sadiq's right, it's very political now. The reporter suggested

:10:18. > :10:20.Heathrow, the Davies Report has suggested Heathrow, but a lot of

:10:21. > :10:26.people think that's wrong and a lot of people matter and we live in a

:10:27. > :10:30.democracy. If a lot of people feel, regardless of the report, I don't

:10:31. > :10:36.want these aeroplanes coming over my house, I think it's dangerous and

:10:37. > :10:41.there's air quality stuff, therefore I object, and frankly, politicians

:10:42. > :10:45.have got to listen to that. Under the circumstances, if we have really

:10:46. > :10:50.got to make a decision now, there'll be far less objection if it was in

:10:51. > :10:56.favour of Gatwick. Does it come down to nimbyism a lot

:10:57. > :10:59.of the time? Well, the numbers of people affected by noise under

:11:00. > :11:03.Heathrow is more than the numbers of people affected by the noise in

:11:04. > :11:08.Paris Amsterdam, Brussels and Madrid added together. So if Cameron and

:11:09. > :11:12.the Government say yes to Heathrow, there'll be legal challenges taking

:11:13. > :11:16.many, many, many years, yes to jobs, yes to growth, yes to increased

:11:17. > :11:22.flight capacity and you can do it by expanding Gatwick. The numbers

:11:23. > :11:25.affected by noise is a fraction, 30,000 versus 800,000, the air

:11:26. > :11:29.quality issues aren't there, they are not breaching the directives. We

:11:30. > :11:33.create jobs in that part of the country, it's a win-win and I would

:11:34. > :11:36.say to David Cameron and to George Osborne, internal Party Politics all

:11:37. > :11:39.well and good, think about the well-being of London, the south-east

:11:40. > :11:44.and our country. Is he damned if he does, damned if

:11:45. > :11:48.he doesn't and therefore goes back to what Norman was saying, it's most

:11:49. > :11:53.likely in the end potentially to keep getting kicked further into the

:11:54. > :11:56.long grass? I think that is a perfect description, damned if he

:11:57. > :12:01.does, damned if he doesn't and could well be put into the long grass. I

:12:02. > :12:04.think I agree with Sadiq that decisions should be made and, under

:12:05. > :12:10.the circumstances, with all the objections, with all the reports and

:12:11. > :12:15.with all the pressure to try and get London a really good airport system

:12:16. > :12:20.it's probably going to have to be Gatwick, let's get on with it and do

:12:21. > :12:23.it. Bear in mind that probably we'll need more capacity in that in the

:12:24. > :12:30.lifetime, well perhaps in your lifetime, maybe not in mine. We'll

:12:31. > :12:33.need more capacity if we are to be continuing to be such a

:12:34. > :12:34.world-leading city and, at the moment, we are at Bushing point and

:12:35. > :12:38.we've got to do something about moment, we are at Bushing point and

:12:39. > :12:48.The buck has been passed over so many years. What would you say if a

:12:49. > :12:54.decision isn't taken in six months. Norman was kind and diplomatic in

:12:55. > :12:58.his language. I'm persuaded there is an argument for increased capacity,

:12:59. > :13:02.Mr Goldsmith isn't. We should bite the bullet and go with Gatwick. I'm

:13:03. > :13:06.in favour of reconsidering expanding city airport, Boris Johnson ruled

:13:07. > :13:09.that out, but we have got to invest in high speed. High speed II is

:13:10. > :13:14.important, we have got to think about III. I'm if favour of a cross

:13:15. > :13:19.rail II. I was the minister in charge of cross rail I. We need to

:13:20. > :13:24.think about cross rail III. Think about the trams, improving the

:13:25. > :13:27.trains, a generation of new buses, hybrid and electric. We have to

:13:28. > :13:32.think about being green but also having jobs, growth and being

:13:33. > :13:35.sustainable. There is a huge runway in the south-east that could be used

:13:36. > :13:40.but the fact of the matter is, if we are really going to sort out our

:13:41. > :13:46.airport capacity, a decision does have to be made and, if people

:13:47. > :13:49.really object to Heathrow, beyond the fact of the report, including

:13:50. > :13:54.the fact of air quality, we have actually got to make a decision. It

:13:55. > :13:58.seems to me, based on those factors, that Gatwick is probably an option

:13:59. > :14:03.that we could actually accept all round. Equally, I think that at some

:14:04. > :14:07.stage we are going to have to come back to the table and think how we

:14:08. > :14:12.get even more capacity for airports around London. Before I let you go,

:14:13. > :14:16.Donald Trump's hair was mentioned earlier in the discussion. Sadiq

:14:17. > :14:22.Khan, I want to get your views on him, whether you think he should be

:14:23. > :14:26.allowed into Britain, there is a petition with 350,000 people saying

:14:27. > :14:31.he shouldn't. I want to go to the Mayor of New York and talk about the

:14:32. > :14:34.housing crisis, I'll be stopped, I want to talk about creating jobs and

:14:35. > :14:38.entrepreneurship, I'm be stopped from doing so because I happen to be

:14:39. > :14:43.a Muslim. There are many Muslims from around the world who love

:14:44. > :14:49.America like I do but who will be stopped from going there to visit

:14:50. > :14:53.families and on holiday. His views are outrageous and divisive and I

:14:54. > :14:56.hope he loses badly. Are the views enough to get him banned from

:14:57. > :15:01.Britain? I would like him to come here so I can introduce him to

:15:02. > :15:06.Muslims like myself who 're tolerant and respectable. There are no no-go

:15:07. > :15:11.areas in London. I'm in favour of debating him, showing him how wrong

:15:12. > :15:16.he is, proving what a bafoon he is. He's got to recognise his views lead

:15:17. > :15:21.to people thinking all Muslims may be terrorist, thinking Muslims are

:15:22. > :15:24.like that, and that is why his views are divisive. I want to educate him,

:15:25. > :15:29.I want him to realise the follies of his ways so when he loses the

:15:30. > :15:33.Republican race and hopefully loses the presidential race, I'm looking

:15:34. > :15:38.forward to educating him and giving him a tutorage in being able to be a

:15:39. > :15:41.good citizen. What if he keeps going, is he fit to be President?

:15:42. > :15:47.That's for the American people to decide. I have huge respect for the

:15:48. > :15:55.Americans. Democracy, we'll have to see which way the cards fall,

:15:56. > :16:01.obviously my personal views are, if people vote for this guy, that's the

:16:02. > :16:07.choice they have made. I want them to recognise that proud Muslims have

:16:08. > :16:09.died serving our countries. We have multiple identitied, British,

:16:10. > :16:14.Muslim, South Londoner, a husband and a father, you know, you are not

:16:15. > :16:18.recognised and defined simply by your faith and his comments have

:16:19. > :16:23.caused huge offence to non-Muslims as well. Would the passports have

:16:24. > :16:28."Muslim written on them? ! Them?!". Still to come before

:16:29. > :16:32.11am: Staying put - Donald Trump insists he'll never

:16:33. > :16:34.pull out of the US Presidential race, despite an avalanche

:16:35. > :16:36.of criticism from politicians and the media after he called

:16:37. > :16:39.for a temporary ban Some of the world's biggest tobacco

:16:40. > :16:44.businesses are taking It's over new rules which will mean

:16:45. > :16:48.all branding, logos and trademarks Health officials want plain

:16:49. > :17:02.packaging to be used instead. The Polish Prime Minister has told

:17:03. > :17:07.David Cameron that she does not see eye to eye with him on curbing

:17:08. > :17:10.benefits for migrants Mr Cameron is in Warsaw

:17:11. > :17:15.to try to win backing for the reforms he wants before

:17:16. > :17:17.a promised referendum NHS England has published

:17:18. > :17:25.performance data for the health It shows key targets

:17:26. > :17:28.for ambulance response times, A waiting, cancer care

:17:29. > :17:29.and diagnostic tests On many measures the figures

:17:30. > :17:33.are worse than this time last year and show a deterioration

:17:34. > :17:40.since September. A record 315 terror suspects

:17:41. > :17:42.were arrested in the year to September, driven in part

:17:43. > :17:45.by a major increase in the number of females detained,

:17:46. > :17:47.Home Office figures show. They accounted for around one in six

:17:48. > :17:50.of the total counter-terrorism arrests, a rise of 7%

:17:51. > :17:57.on the previous year. There's been a big increase

:17:58. > :18:00.in the number of requests to re-mark GCSEs and A-levels, says

:18:01. > :18:05.the exams watchdog Ofqual. There's also been a rise

:18:06. > :18:08.in the number of re-grades awarded. But the proportion of exam results

:18:09. > :18:10.that were changed has A Syrian woman and all seven

:18:11. > :18:14.of her children have drowned as they attempted to cross

:18:15. > :18:17.the Aegean Sea, from Turkey They had been fleeing

:18:18. > :18:20.Islamic State militants. The only member of the family

:18:21. > :18:23.to survive was the children's father, who has warned other Syrians

:18:24. > :18:32.not to make leave the country. TRANSLATION: I had the most

:18:33. > :18:36.affectionate wife. I took my family

:18:37. > :18:39.out of Syria to escape the killing. My children could have had

:18:40. > :18:42.a future in Europe. What is your message to other

:18:43. > :18:48.Syrians who want to make I would say, don't take this risk.

:18:49. > :18:55.Don't go by sea. The smugglers are traitors,

:18:56. > :19:00.they said we would reach I advise everyone, don't come -

:19:01. > :19:07.stay in Syria, however French prosecutors open

:19:08. > :19:19.an investigation into the decision over who'll host the 2021

:19:20. > :19:22.World Athletics championship. It's gone to the US city

:19:23. > :19:25.of Eugene, closely linked The new president of athletics'

:19:26. > :19:34.governing body, Lord Coe, who was until recently

:19:35. > :19:36.a Nike paid ambassador, has denied

:19:37. > :19:39.lobbying for the city. The Government says it

:19:40. > :19:41.will "robustly defend" a compensation claim being made

:19:42. > :19:43.by one of the killers Michael Adebolajo alleges

:19:44. > :19:46.he was assaulted by officers at Belmarsh Prison

:19:47. > :19:48.while being restrained. Let's catch up with

:19:49. > :19:50.all the sport now. The main headlines in sport this

:19:51. > :19:52.morning concern the Champions And thankfully the procession

:19:53. > :20:01.of two British clubs. Olivier Giroud was Arsenal's hero,

:20:02. > :20:04.with a hat-trick in their 3-0 win Chelsea finished top of their group

:20:05. > :20:09.with a 2-0 win over Porto at Stamford Bridge,to

:20:10. > :20:10.help ease the pressure Olympic long jump champion

:20:11. > :20:15.Greg Rutherford says he will stay as part of the Sports Personality

:20:16. > :20:18.of the Year shortlist because of it's importance

:20:19. > :20:22.to his family. He had wanted to be removed,

:20:23. > :20:25.after controversial comments I'll have more on BBC

:20:26. > :20:36.News throughout the day. Earlier in the programme,

:20:37. > :20:40.we showed you a film about an innovative new project

:20:41. > :20:42.developed by police in South London, to try to stop young adults

:20:43. > :20:45.who commit crimes from reoffending. It's run by officers

:20:46. > :20:47.and a group of volunteers, who try to find work for those

:20:48. > :20:50.who end up in custody. Here's our reporter

:20:51. > :20:51.Ashley John-Baptiste. We will go and speak to him,

:20:52. > :21:08.see if he wants to engage with us. If we can sit down with him we can

:21:09. > :21:12.find out what the story is. If he wants the help I am sure

:21:13. > :21:16.we can give it to him. This is a unique new scheme, to try

:21:17. > :21:22.and stop young adults reoffending. It targets anyone who is brought

:21:23. > :21:28.into custody here under the age of 25, and tries to get them a job

:21:29. > :21:31.when they are released. Are you still happy to talk?

:21:32. > :21:35.Yeah? I'm just gonna you ask you a few

:21:36. > :21:56.questions about you and your interests, what sort of things

:21:57. > :21:59.you like doing, what sort Are you into football,

:22:00. > :22:05.anything like that? OK, what sort of art and design,

:22:06. > :22:15.what do you like doing? There currently aren't any national

:22:16. > :22:36.programmes to deal with offenders So it's up to local services

:22:37. > :22:45.like this to take initiative. When you turn 18, that is

:22:46. > :22:48.pretty much it. Unless you are a serial offender

:22:49. > :22:50.there is not much else there for young people that make

:22:51. > :22:53.those mistakes the Though we have only been

:22:54. > :23:03.going for six months what it has really proved is that this works

:23:04. > :23:06.and can fit anywhere else Where do you think you would be

:23:07. > :23:10.without the lifeline of this It's the best thing I've

:23:11. > :23:23.heard since I've been To hear they will come and do that,

:23:24. > :23:29.it made me feel good. Do you think this could be the end

:23:30. > :24:09.of your life of crime? So how should 18 to 25-year-old

:24:10. > :24:12.offenders be dealt with in the criminal justice system?

:24:13. > :24:14.Here to discuss this further is the founder of the Divert scheme,

:24:15. > :24:18.And Steve Gillan, the general secretary of Prison Officer's

:24:19. > :24:24.We also have here two former offenders, Dario and Chelsea.

:24:25. > :24:30.Thank you all very much for coming in to talk to us. Dario, tell us

:24:31. > :24:36.about your experiences in the prison system. My first experience was a

:24:37. > :24:45.young offenders Institute at the age of 16, I was sentenced to 12 months,

:24:46. > :24:50.of which I served six. I came out of prison, reoffended, and re-entered

:24:51. > :24:54.the prison system for an offence of aggravated burglary, which I served

:24:55. > :24:58.nine years, that was my custodial term of which I served five. The

:24:59. > :25:05.aggravated burglary for which you were sentenced involved what? Taking

:25:06. > :25:11.a family hostage? We took the family hostage, we demanded large amounts

:25:12. > :25:14.of money, and we were later arrested within the vicinity of where the

:25:15. > :25:19.offence took place. At the time you were in the age group being

:25:20. > :25:23.discussed today. Would you say you should take adult responsibility for

:25:24. > :25:28.what you did? Definitely, I believe so, because we thought about it, we

:25:29. > :25:34.have to take responsibility for our actions. Yes, I think we should be

:25:35. > :25:37.treated as adults. Chelsea, you went to prison at 18. Tell us what that

:25:38. > :25:47.was for and what your experience was. That was during the riots, 2011

:25:48. > :25:51.riots. I was published all over the newspapers and the media are a lot

:25:52. > :25:57.and was portrayed in a way that I wasn't. In what way, how did you see

:25:58. > :26:02.yourself and how did you think people saw you? There was a story

:26:03. > :26:05.about me being an Olympic ambassador, but that was when I was

:26:06. > :26:09.in school, but it was released as if I was an ambassador at the time I

:26:10. > :26:14.committed the offence, and it got published in the newspapers, I was

:26:15. > :26:18.on ITV, BBC News, front pages, everywhere. The thing about that is

:26:19. > :26:25.that I was a young female, 18 years old, and what I committed was

:26:26. > :26:29.throwing missiles at a police car, with police officers inside will

:26:30. > :26:37.stop I was seen at the forefront of a large group of people, so I was

:26:38. > :26:40.seen as the leader of the pack. And that made it very public and a lot

:26:41. > :26:45.of people popped onto that because I was a female, I was young, and I was

:26:46. > :26:53.all over the newspapers. I felt like I was made an example of, and my

:26:54. > :26:58.offences, there were eight in the end, violent disorder, two counts,

:26:59. > :27:02.burglary, common assault, criminal damage, loads, and eventually I got

:27:03. > :27:07.sentenced to a two years two months in prison because I was also wearing

:27:08. > :27:12.a tag. You were in the age group the report is talking about, saying the

:27:13. > :27:14.tend to be people like you should be treated differently. What do you

:27:15. > :27:20.think about the way you were treated? Because I was put over the

:27:21. > :27:24.newspapers, I felt it had already given the judge... He would have

:27:25. > :27:29.made up his mind already before he even looked at me and had a

:27:30. > :27:32.chance... Obviously judges have to be open-minded, but your experience

:27:33. > :27:38.once you were behind bars, how did you see that? There are newspapers

:27:39. > :27:43.in presence and a lot of people did see it. First of all, officers felt

:27:44. > :27:47.they needed to talk to me about it because they felt people would come

:27:48. > :27:51.up to me and said things or attack me or whatever, but no one did

:27:52. > :27:54.because of the nature of my offence, it was against police officers, but

:27:55. > :28:00.the prison of this is did not take a liking to me because of the offence.

:28:01. > :28:04.Steve, you are general secretary of the prison Officers' Association. Do

:28:05. > :28:07.you have any sympathy over the weight 18 to 25-year-olds are

:28:08. > :28:13.treated in prison? Know, on the whole I think they are treated very

:28:14. > :28:21.well in prison. I thank Dario for his view in saying he should have

:28:22. > :28:23.been treated as an adult for the offence he did and he took

:28:24. > :28:28.responsibility for that, and that is what I am here to betray, that there

:28:29. > :28:36.was a problem within our prison system, 86,000 prisoners now, we saw

:28:37. > :28:44.the statistics from your earlier film about 14, 15,000 of them are 18

:28:45. > :28:50.to 25-year-olds. Once people are in the criminal justice system it is

:28:51. > :28:54.very difficult to turn them around, and where I believe that we need to

:28:55. > :28:59.intervene much earlier, before people get into that criminal

:29:00. > :29:04.justice system. Jack, you set up the scheme we featured in our report. Do

:29:05. > :29:09.you think that 18 to 25-year-old should be treated differently?

:29:10. > :29:15.Without a doubt. As soon as you turn 18, the system lets you go a bit.

:29:16. > :29:21.Between those ages, you haven't developed the majority to take on

:29:22. > :29:25.the risks that come into life and making those decisions. Dario said

:29:26. > :29:29.he felt at 18 he knew what he was doing, you did something violent, he

:29:30. > :29:33.was punished, he said he should have taken responsibility. Definitely,

:29:34. > :29:38.but your rain is not developed enough to take on risk, you need the

:29:39. > :29:43.added support. The first time Dario comes into police custody, he needs

:29:44. > :29:49.that one-to-one help to get him onto the right path to stop the tailspin

:29:50. > :29:56.from happening. Sometimes, when you are 18, you turn an adult, society

:29:57. > :29:59.expects you to completely take responsibility for what you are

:30:00. > :30:05.doing. Sometimes you need that extra help. Steve? I slightly disagree, I

:30:06. > :30:10.think 18 to 25-year-olds are adults. People make choices in life, some

:30:11. > :30:14.choose the wrong path. What I'm not failing is that you abandon people,

:30:15. > :30:18.because quite clearly Dario and Chelsea have turned their lives

:30:19. > :30:27.around, they have done that themselves. Others, they may want to

:30:28. > :30:31.go and assist others. But we have to look at the victims of crime as

:30:32. > :30:37.well, they are just as important as those that perpetrate crime, and I

:30:38. > :30:41.think we have got to have a root and branch review of how we deal with

:30:42. > :30:47.these issues in England and Wales, because we cannot continue doing

:30:48. > :30:54.what we're doing, because it is not working. The key is to start as

:30:55. > :30:57.early as possible. If you start at 80 you get the foundations right,

:30:58. > :31:02.fewer victims, fewer people coming into police custody, going to

:31:03. > :31:05.prison, less mental health, so there is no argument for how early you

:31:06. > :31:09.should start, the earlier the better, because if you stop the

:31:10. > :31:14.issues emerging then we don't get people coming into the system.

:31:15. > :31:27.Do you think there is a danger of them being treated differently.

:31:28. > :31:31.In each situation we have to treat everybody individually. Mario said,

:31:32. > :31:35.although I was an adult, I still needed some form of direction. I

:31:36. > :31:37.needed someone to guide my foot steps in. That circumstance,

:31:38. > :31:44.everybody is an individual. What I am if fave of is what the officer

:31:45. > :31:46.said. Prevention for me is better than the cure so we

:31:47. > :31:50.said. Prevention for me is better while we are at the police stations,

:31:51. > :31:54.Probation Services, we need to work a as a whole in order to just

:31:55. > :31:57.communicate with the young people and address the issues going on in

:31:58. > :32:03.their mind to see how we can move forward.

:32:04. > :32:10.Chelsea, you have southernth turned your life around -- you have turned

:32:11. > :32:15.your life around, but we were hearing for kids coming out of

:32:16. > :32:19.prison with a criminal record, it inevitably taints them. Have you

:32:20. > :32:24.found you have to fight to be able to progress? Initially yes, I felt

:32:25. > :32:27.like I had to fight because everyone remembered my face and stuff. It's

:32:28. > :32:32.about yourself as an individual. People can say stuff and put

:32:33. > :32:37.barriers up against you but if you have changed within your mindset and

:32:38. > :32:43.how you do things, you should be able to progress forward. For me

:32:44. > :32:48.having a criminal record hasn't stopped me getting jobs. I have a

:32:49. > :32:51.job and I do youth work which is really rewarding. There are

:32:52. > :32:57.obstacles but it's up to the individual to move forward and leave

:32:58. > :33:00.that behind. People might say, you are an ex-offender, but I'm just

:33:01. > :33:05.Chelsea now and ex-offenders in the past have moved forward and everyone

:33:06. > :33:10.that can see that I've moved forward and believed in my change have stuck

:33:11. > :33:15.to Chelsea as well but in order for someone to progress and progress

:33:16. > :33:19.against the obstacles, they need to move forward, forget the negatives,

:33:20. > :33:22.move forward with the positives, onwards and upwards. If you can do

:33:23. > :33:26.that within yourself, you have the ability to push all the negatives

:33:27. > :33:30.and the people and progress and you will get a job.

:33:31. > :33:37.Ava on Facebook, moaning about lack of support in prison, don't commit

:33:38. > :33:40.the crime then. Tweet from T 2 A alliance, commendable intervention

:33:41. > :33:44.by the Met police highlighted but system needs to support youngsters

:33:45. > :33:49.who're not motivated too. That's the issue isn't it, I guess,

:33:50. > :33:52.Jack, these two are sorted themselves out, but there'll be

:33:53. > :33:56.people who feel they can't for whatever reason? Without a doubt,

:33:57. > :33:59.definitely. Divert helps with that because we understand people aren't

:34:00. > :34:04.on that level of being employable yet so we have a range of really

:34:05. > :34:07.good partners, St Matthew's partnership in Brixton, Spear,

:34:08. > :34:12.Jack's foundation, to get people up to that level and to sort of get

:34:13. > :34:17.them from feeling there is no hope to actually being Dario and Chelsea

:34:18. > :34:22.and being in their position saying, I can do this. That can take a lot

:34:23. > :34:28.of time. I do recognise that and that's what Divert offers.

:34:29. > :34:33.Another text, it's clear reoffenders are not well educated and lack of

:34:34. > :34:36.education is the problem, more needs to be done, not more jail.

:34:37. > :34:44.Politicians should make their minds up. At which age a person is old

:34:45. > :34:51.enough to take action for their actions and they get no vote and no

:34:52. > :34:55.support. We shouldn't lower the voting age from a texter. Lot of

:34:56. > :34:59.texters bringing voting age into this debate. Chelsea, you are

:35:00. > :35:02.nodding, what were you thinking about in particular there? Just

:35:03. > :35:05.thinking some of the comments people are saying, there are some good ones

:35:06. > :35:12.and some that are just like, "really? " So what are the ones you

:35:13. > :35:16.would say "really? " You need to say it again because it's gone in my ear

:35:17. > :35:21.and I've thought, it's so pants I don't even want to listen to it. The

:35:22. > :35:27.ones that have said people aren't taking responsibility for

:35:28. > :35:31.themselves? Yes, I just think, 18-25, for me, when you go into

:35:32. > :35:38.prison, they class young offenders from 18-21, so you are a young

:35:39. > :35:43.offender, so although you may be 18-21 or 25, doesn't necessarily

:35:44. > :35:46.mean that you've committed an offence and should be punished in

:35:47. > :35:51.this way and that way because you are really bad, because people don't

:35:52. > :35:53.have the support on the outside to even realise they have made

:35:54. > :35:56.mistakes. For somebody to take responsibility is a big step if

:35:57. > :35:58.their life, if they can't take responsibility because they don't

:35:59. > :36:02.understand what they have done wrong, you can't knock for them for

:36:03. > :36:06.that really. People, in order to learn, I believe you make mistakes.

:36:07. > :36:12.Some mistakes are too bad that you can't change them as quick as you

:36:13. > :36:16.want to, but when you are young, 18-25, even younger, you shouldn't

:36:17. > :36:19.be expected to do big, big, big things if you haven't been exposed

:36:20. > :36:25.to things that can help you and enable you to do those things. Some

:36:26. > :36:27.people need the tools and skills to develop self-awareness and if you

:36:28. > :36:32.are not aware how can you take responsibility, you shouldn't knock

:36:33. > :36:38.it. Just to support that... Sorry, we are out of time, but thank you

:36:39. > :36:40.all very much for talking so frankly about this.

:36:41. > :36:43.Despite tobacco companies being banned from advertising

:36:44. > :36:45.on television and sponsoring sporting events, most of us,

:36:46. > :36:48.whether we smoke or not, will know they belong

:36:49. > :36:52.Today, some of the world's biggest tobacco businesses

:36:53. > :36:54.are taking the Government to court over new rules which will mean

:36:55. > :36:57.all branding, logos and trademarks are banned from fag packets

:36:58. > :36:59.and instead they will be forced to use plain packaging.

:37:00. > :37:02.The Government hopes the measures will discourage people from smoking.

:37:03. > :37:03.Companies argue it will hit their business.

:37:04. > :37:06.Our legal eagle Clive Coleman is outside the High Court

:37:07. > :37:23.Talk us through the arguments this case centres on, Clive?

:37:24. > :37:29.This case is This case is not about whether smoking is bad for you, it's

:37:30. > :37:33.about whether the regulations on plain packaging are lawful. As you

:37:34. > :37:37.say, the effect they'll have, and they come in in May of next year, is

:37:38. > :37:42.that anything other than the health warning on the packet, the packet

:37:43. > :37:51.has to be brown or green in colour, they can't use logos or trademarks.

:37:52. > :37:55.For example the Marlborough Roof which is estimated at around $1

:37:56. > :38:02.billion, companies won't be able to use those marks or logos and even

:38:03. > :38:06.their names will have to be in modest type face and non-descript

:38:07. > :38:10.type-face if you like. They are bringing this challenge and saying,

:38:11. > :38:14.look, it's unlawful on a number of grounds. The Government can't simply

:38:15. > :38:18.ride rush or do away with our valuable property rights in those

:38:19. > :38:22.trademarks and logos, it's being said. Also they are saying, it's

:38:23. > :38:26.disproportionate. The Government are basing this on evidence from

:38:27. > :38:31.Australia which brought this in in 2012 and the evidence-based just

:38:32. > :38:34.isn't there. In Australia, people downtraded to cheaper brands and in

:38:35. > :38:37.fact that could have had the effect of increasing smoking. Those

:38:38. > :38:42.arguments are taking place in court as we speak.

:38:43. > :38:44.The US Presidential hopeful Donald Trump remains defiant -

:38:45. > :38:47.he says he'll never pull out of the race,

:38:48. > :38:50.despite an avalanche of criticism from the media and politicians

:38:51. > :38:53.of his call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering America.

:38:54. > :38:57.A UK petition calling for the poll frontrunner

:38:58. > :39:00.and billionaire businessman to be banned from coming here has

:39:01. > :39:03.got more than 400,000 signatures and could be

:39:04. > :39:08.Last night, Mr Trump told CNN that his Muslim friends

:39:09. > :39:13."I'm doing good for the Muslims," he said.

:39:14. > :39:16."Many Muslim friends of mine are in agreement with me.

:39:17. > :39:19.They say, 'Donald, you brought something up to the fore

:39:20. > :39:23.that is so brilliant and so fantastic.'"

:39:24. > :39:26.So we asked some American Muslims to explain in five words how

:39:27. > :39:52.American politics causes brain damage.

:39:53. > :40:23.I feel unapologetically Muslim American.

:40:24. > :40:53.I'm joined now by Zainab Chaudry, a Muslim political activist

:40:54. > :40:59.and poet, who is based in Maryland in the US.

:41:00. > :41:10.Thank you for joining us, Zeinab, Donald Trump is absolutely standing

:41:11. > :41:13.by what he said. How do you see it? It's unbelievable that a candidate

:41:14. > :41:18.running for the highest office in the land would not only make these

:41:19. > :41:23.kind of bigoted remarks that he has gone on record not once but numerous

:41:24. > :41:28.times as making, but would double down and continue to defend these

:41:29. > :41:32.kind of remarks, even in light of the significant backlash that he's

:41:33. > :41:36.received. Not only from members of the opposing parties, but also

:41:37. > :41:41.members, higher ranking members, of his own party. There's been strong

:41:42. > :41:45.criticism of him in the United States and elsewhere. What impact do

:41:46. > :41:50.you think his comments potentially could have?

:41:51. > :41:54.Initially we were extremely concerned about the backlash towards

:41:55. > :42:00.the Muslim community and that is something that we are seeing rite

:42:01. > :42:05.now. We are seeing a spike in hate crimes and anti-Muslim bigotry in

:42:06. > :42:08.attacks on houses of worship. We have been seeing an unprecedented

:42:09. > :42:12.level of the attacks over the course of the few weeks since the horrific

:42:13. > :42:16.Paris terror attacks. But recently... Sorry, you are linking

:42:17. > :42:23.that to Donald Trump's comments, it's too soon to see any impact from

:42:24. > :42:27.those presumably directly? Well, we know that bigoted remarks from

:42:28. > :42:34.polices and elected leaders and public officials have an impact on

:42:35. > :42:39.shaping the public psyche. They tend to help create this fear and anxiety

:42:40. > :42:45.within Americans towards Islam and Muslims and we are seeing this

:42:46. > :42:51.phenomenon during elections for the past several years. Unfortunately,

:42:52. > :42:56.whenever we have, since Mr Trump announced intentions to run for

:42:57. > :43:03.presidency, the remarks he's made in terms of advocating for special IDs

:43:04. > :43:06.for Muslims, Muslim refugees, for promoting surveillance of Muslim

:43:07. > :43:10.communities, these kind of statements, they really alienate the

:43:11. > :43:15.Muslim community in their eyes and help to create the sense of

:43:16. > :43:20.tolerance for this kind of bigotry which we are not of course directing

:43:21. > :43:24.all of the blame for the kind of anti-Muslim and sentiment that we

:43:25. > :43:31.have seen on his shoulders. But he's had a significant role to play in

:43:32. > :43:34.helping to start animosity towards Muslims -- stir animosity. His

:43:35. > :43:38.latest remarks have helped underscore that sentiment. We are

:43:39. > :43:44.now seeing American Muslims who're stepping forward and saying that we

:43:45. > :43:47.reject this kind of bigotry. Zeinab, thank you very much. Thank you very

:43:48. > :43:50.much for your company today and all of your messages, it's always great

:43:51. > :43:52.to have your company, I'll see you same time tomorrow. Have a good

:43:53. > :43:55.afternoon. Bye.