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:00:00. > :00:08.Hello it's Thursday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

:00:09. > :00:18.have hit the centre of the Indonesian capital Jakarta.

:00:19. > :00:26.Gunfire has been heard and bodies have been seen lying on the streets.

:00:27. > :00:35.There seems to be a body lying in the middle of the street who police

:00:36. > :00:37.say is either the victim or the suicide bomber that carried out the

:00:38. > :00:38.attack. Police say the situation

:00:39. > :00:41.is now under control. We'll bring you the latest

:00:42. > :00:44.on this developing story Also ahead; the world of athletics

:00:45. > :00:50.is bracing itself for another report which is expected to reveal

:00:51. > :00:53."unbelievable" levels of corruption And why the NHS, prison service,

:00:54. > :01:01.police and teachers all need urgent reform and training in how to deal

:01:02. > :01:11.with transgender people. Hello, welcome to the programme,

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:01:36. > :01:38.Victoria Derbyshire. First this morning, at least seven

:01:39. > :01:41.people are dead after a series of large explosions and gun

:01:42. > :01:44.attacks in the centre Five of those killed

:01:45. > :01:50.are reported to be attackers. Security forces say they are now

:01:51. > :01:56.in control of the situation. The assault began mid-morning

:01:57. > :01:59.in Indonesia about five hours ago with a massive blast outside

:02:00. > :02:03.a United Nations building, followed by about half

:02:04. > :02:09.a dozen other explosions, including at a Starbucks

:02:10. > :02:10.cafe and at a cinema. There is no indication yet

:02:11. > :02:26.of who might be behind the attacks. This is what some have been telling

:02:27. > :02:31.the BBC in the past few hours. I'm at the intersection at the

:02:32. > :02:36.central business district in Jakarta where an explosion, at least two

:02:37. > :02:44.explosions from taken place a couple of hours ago now. One hit a small

:02:45. > :02:48.police post at the small intersection and the other seems to

:02:49. > :02:55.have hit a Starbucks cafe. The impact from the explosion's

:02:56. > :02:59.completely destroyed the cafe. There's debris everywhere and

:03:00. > :03:05.shattered glass. There seems to be a body lying in the middle of the

:03:06. > :03:10.street who police say is either the victim or the suicide bomber that

:03:11. > :03:15.carried out the attack. The security presence is, you know, there are

:03:16. > :03:20.hundreds of armed police, there's military bomb squads, there's

:03:21. > :03:26.snipers here around the building and at the intersection. There are

:03:27. > :03:30.Armoured trucks. I recently spoke to the Chief of the National

:03:31. > :03:34.Intelligence agency who told me this was definitely terrorism but that

:03:35. > :03:41.there are no indications yet that this is related at all to Islamic

:03:42. > :03:48.state. According to police, at least five or six attackers, terrorists.

:03:49. > :03:57.They're terrorists who throw a bomb and some snipers from the terrorists

:03:58. > :04:03.and also there are at least six explosions in the located incident.

:04:04. > :04:07.There's been rumours in Jakarta that there are some explosions in other

:04:08. > :04:15.parts of the cities but the police have denied that. Only in central

:04:16. > :04:23.Jakarta near the department store. But police have been trying to warn

:04:24. > :04:28.the people to be more careful because they might be putting some

:04:29. > :04:36.bombs around the area, in the Jakarta area. The first thing we

:04:37. > :04:38.heard was about 10. 45, there was an explosion. We looked out the windows

:04:39. > :04:43.and saw the police posts near this building had been blown up. There

:04:44. > :04:49.were three bodies on the roadway, I'm sure you have seen the photos of

:04:50. > :04:53.that, and that was a bit scary. Shortly afterward, there was a

:04:54. > :04:57.series of explosions which I think may have been grenade blasts but I

:04:58. > :05:01.don't know, but there were explosions actually in this building

:05:02. > :05:05.and the building shook a little bit. I understand they were on the ground

:05:06. > :05:09.floor of the building, there was a Starbucks cafe. I didn't see that

:05:10. > :05:15.happen, of course, but we certainly felt it and they were quite loud.

:05:16. > :05:19.Then we made our way gradually downstairs through emergency exits

:05:20. > :05:25.and, on the way, at various points, we could hear what sounded like

:05:26. > :05:31.gunfire or small explosions of some kind. Every now and then, a bunch of

:05:32. > :05:34.security police with sub-machine-guns and the like

:05:35. > :05:39.wandered in here and out again. There are lots of people around

:05:40. > :05:43.who're ready and willing to protect us, but there are no obvious signs

:05:44. > :05:48.of activity going on. I can tell at least.

:05:49. > :05:52.We'll keep you updated on that throughout the programme. The latest

:05:53. > :05:57.from the Indonesian Police, they are saying the attackers in Jakarta

:05:58. > :06:00.imitated the attacks in Paris. They are saying the situation is under

:06:01. > :06:03.control. We'll keep you updated as we get any more.

:06:04. > :06:06.The world athletics governing body, the IAAF, is braced for further

:06:07. > :06:12.The World Anti-Doping Agency is revealing another report

:06:13. > :06:15.into the doping and corruption scandal - and it's not expected

:06:16. > :06:22.Its first report, in November, led to Russia being suspended

:06:23. > :06:29.Back in August, the World Anti-Doping Agency or WADA,

:06:30. > :06:32.launched an urgent investigation after claims were made

:06:33. > :06:35.about widespread doping in international athletics.

:06:36. > :06:38.The Sunday Times and a German broadcaster claimed hundreds

:06:39. > :06:41.of medal-winning athletes had suspicious blood test results.

:06:42. > :06:44.On top of that, they alleged the results weren't followed up

:06:45. > :06:47.by the International Association of Athletics Federations,

:06:48. > :06:53.The files were examined by two of the world's

:06:54. > :07:06.Values in the database, there is no question in my mind that athletics

:07:07. > :07:10.World Championships and Olympic events have been contaminated by

:07:11. > :07:14.doping. Some results were simply grotesque in their extremity and

:07:15. > :07:15.quite easily the worst I've ever seen.

:07:16. > :07:23.There were a series of damning revelations.

:07:24. > :07:26.Not only did they find what they called "state-sponsored"

:07:27. > :07:29.doping amongst Russian athletes, but also that the London 2012

:07:30. > :07:32.Olympics was "sabotaged" by "widespread inaction"

:07:33. > :07:45.against athletes with suspicious doping profiles.

:07:46. > :08:33.Here is a bit more on part 1 of the WADA Report.

:08:34. > :08:39.It's worse than we thought. It has the effect of affecting the results

:08:40. > :08:42.on the field of play and athletes are both in Russia and abroad are

:08:43. > :09:26.suffering as a result of that. I was devastated. Shocked at the

:09:27. > :09:29.level and depth and the audacity really that people thought they

:09:30. > :09:33.could get away with this and that they have got away with it for so

:09:34. > :09:39.long. Angry on behalf of my sport, at the damage that has been done to

:09:40. > :09:41.athletics by this and I really do think that action has to be taken.

:09:42. > :09:45.In the aftermath of the report's release,

:09:46. > :10:09.The council has voted to suspend the from competing in international

:10:10. > :10:15.The council has voted to suspend the Russian Federation. It's done so by

:10:16. > :10:22.22-1 votes, the strongest sanction that we could apply tonight and it

:10:23. > :10:28.is why our council has sent such a strong message. So the Russians were

:10:29. > :10:31.banned but the Spotlight began to shift to the IAAF and the pressure

:10:32. > :10:32.on Lord Coe increased. There are no claims of corruption

:10:33. > :10:36.against him, but there are growing allegations of a cover up

:10:37. > :10:39.within his organisation. One of Lord Coe's close colleagues,

:10:40. > :10:42.Nick Davies, stepped aside in December after the BBC saw

:10:43. > :10:45.an internal email from the IAAF which showed a plan to delay naming

:10:46. > :10:49.Russian drugs cheats in the run up to Moscow's 2013

:10:50. > :10:51.World Championships. Davies says he hasn't done anything

:10:52. > :10:54.wrong but says doesn't Here's what our Sports Editor,

:10:55. > :11:05.Dan Roan, said at the time: It was laid out in an e-mail before

:11:06. > :11:09.the event by the IAAF's deputy secretary, until tonight the right

:11:10. > :11:14.hand man of President Lord Coe, although there is no suggestion he

:11:15. > :11:19.was aware of the proposal. Writing to former consultant, son of the

:11:20. > :11:41.former President, Davies said: Davies also suggested using the

:11:42. > :11:45.political influence of Coe, then Vice-President, and his marketing

:11:46. > :11:49.company CSM for an unofficial PR campaign to stop what he called

:11:50. > :11:52.planned attacks on Russia by the British media.

:11:53. > :11:56.It is a damning blow to the credibility of the organisation.

:11:57. > :11:59.That's really shocking because, what the IAAF should have been doing is

:12:00. > :12:03.saying, if we know people are cheating, we are going to get them,

:12:04. > :12:07.expose them and make sure they don't compete, that's our prime job, not

:12:08. > :12:08.worrying about the PR strategy for trying to make sure the stories

:12:09. > :12:13.don't come out in the first place. And today's report is expected

:12:14. > :12:14.to look more closely Senior figures are likely to be

:12:15. > :12:19.criticised in a further blow There've been no allegations

:12:20. > :12:25.against Lord Coe, but questions are sure to be asked over

:12:26. > :12:28.whether he's the person to clean Jamie Baulch was part of the British

:12:29. > :12:36.4 x 100 metres relay side who who were denied a gold

:12:37. > :12:39.at the 1997 World Athletics They were upgraded 13 years later

:12:40. > :12:51.when it emerged that one of the US We are told unbelievable levels of

:12:52. > :12:56.corruption in the sports governing body will be revealed. What are you

:12:57. > :12:59.anticipating? Well, yes, I think it's a very sad state of affairs for

:13:00. > :13:04.people like me and the rest of the sport and people who love athletics.

:13:05. > :13:10.It's obviously brown envelopes going left and right and it makes me sick

:13:11. > :13:14.because people like me get affected by it, livelihoods get changed and I

:13:15. > :13:19.just think it needs to be exposed and out there.

:13:20. > :13:22.How do you feel as this is emerging? Is it reassuring you that it's being

:13:23. > :13:27.looked at or further undermining your trust? I've lost a lot of

:13:28. > :13:32.respect and trust for the sport, you know. I'm actually happy I've

:13:33. > :13:36.retired and I'm out of the it, to be honest because, watching it now,

:13:37. > :13:43.it's very saddening. My thoughts are, basically, if you can, you

:13:44. > :13:47.know, I blame the people who are the sponsors because it's all about

:13:48. > :13:54.money and greened at the end of the day and if sponsors like Nike didn't

:13:55. > :13:57.endorse people like Justin Gatland and paid these people who've done

:13:58. > :14:03.injustice, I think the system would be a lot better. Obviously a very

:14:04. > :14:05.injustice, I think the system would complex picture and it's all

:14:06. > :14:10.allegations at this stage, but do you feel that a grip is being got?

:14:11. > :14:16.Yes. I think we are slowly getting there, due to the fact that we are

:14:17. > :14:21.talking about it right now and I just hope that Lord Coe can change

:14:22. > :14:26.it. I hope what he did for the Olympics four years ago was

:14:27. > :14:29.fantastic and he can do a brilliant job now, I'm hoping he can, it's a

:14:30. > :14:33.lot of pressure on the guy and I wouldn't want to be in his shoes

:14:34. > :14:38.right now. You have been directly impacted on by people that you were

:14:39. > :14:42.competing against, having taken drugs, a medal was subsequently

:14:43. > :14:46.given to you but many years later. What impact does it have on someone

:14:47. > :14:52.like you and others who feel that you have lost out when you've

:14:53. > :14:54.trained cleanly and honestly? Well, you know, for me, I did this sport

:14:55. > :14:58.when I started, when I was 11 because I love running. When you get

:14:59. > :15:03.very good at it, you start getting paid which is fantastic and you want

:15:04. > :15:07.to get medals and achieve and make your parents and family proud of

:15:08. > :15:14.you. When you miss out on a world gold medal or Olympic gold medal,

:15:15. > :15:17.there's the limitations, the damage limitation, you could be talking

:15:18. > :15:22.about a million pounds of revenue from a silver to a gold and it's not

:15:23. > :15:31.just about that, it's very saddening. There's people who've

:15:32. > :15:39.come forward on the rostrum got upgraded to third. Having that

:15:40. > :15:43.wonderful moment in history is gone which is a shame.

:15:44. > :15:47.There's still a long way to go before transgender people get

:15:48. > :15:50.equal treatment in the UK - that's the finding of a new report.

:15:51. > :16:03.And reports keep coming den of reports of sexual assault against

:16:04. > :16:04.men on New Year's Eve. We will hear from two British teenagers who said

:16:05. > :16:07.they were targeted in Paris. At least seven people are killed

:16:08. > :16:13.in a series of large explosions and gunfire in the heart

:16:14. > :16:22.of Indonesia's capital, The authorities said the attackers

:16:23. > :16:26.were copying terror actions in Paris last year. They said they believe

:16:27. > :16:27.there were at least seven attackers, including suicide bombers, and five

:16:28. > :16:30.of them are among the dead. Hywel Davies is in Jakarta and works

:16:31. > :16:44.in an office block close Tell us what you saw and heard? I'm

:16:45. > :16:58.about 150 metres away from the scene of the explosion. We started to get

:16:59. > :17:03.initial reports, it sounded like fireworks, we didn't pay too much

:17:04. > :17:07.attention, five, six, seven what sounded like small explosions but

:17:08. > :17:11.then reports started to come through on social media, police arrived in

:17:12. > :17:20.the area, some sort of incident started to unfold. My understanding,

:17:21. > :17:26.being close to the scene and the Indonesian people but I'm with, it

:17:27. > :17:30.does sound like they've targeted a small police outpost in the centre

:17:31. > :17:34.of Jakarta. There is a very big roundabout in the centre of the city

:17:35. > :17:40.which is surrounded by a number of exclusive 5-star hotels and office

:17:41. > :17:45.buildings, and there is a small police outpost on the edge of that,

:17:46. > :17:51.and it sounds as though the initial blasts were at that roundabout, at

:17:52. > :17:55.that police outpost. There is a Starbucks cafe opposite that police

:17:56. > :17:59.outpost and it sounds like there were a couple of blasts there as

:18:00. > :18:03.well. Some reports that the Starbucks was targeted and then they

:18:04. > :18:06.targeted the police outpost but the understanding here is that it was

:18:07. > :18:11.the police in Jakarta which have been targeted and that it was pure

:18:12. > :18:18.colour incidents that Starbucks was very close by. -- pure coincidence.

:18:19. > :18:25.It wasn't concerning as much initially from the blasts because

:18:26. > :18:30.the blasts themselves, the rumour was that they were quite small. The

:18:31. > :18:35.concerning factor was when our office was put into lockdown, the

:18:36. > :18:38.reports of gunfire, various office was put into lockdown, the

:18:39. > :18:44.of attackers fleeing the scene on motorbikes with automatic weapons,

:18:45. > :18:53.and that was the most concerning factor. From what we understand it

:18:54. > :18:56.is under control now. The roads heading into Jakarta have been

:18:57. > :18:59.closed, they are completely free of traffic, which is quite a strange

:19:00. > :19:07.situation in itself because normally the city is so busy, but slowly but

:19:08. > :19:15.surely things do seem to be coming back to normal here. There is quite

:19:16. > :19:20.a lot of misunderstanding. People here in Jakarta are still not that

:19:21. > :19:25.clear as to what went on. Thank you very much. Just to let you know the

:19:26. > :19:29.latest report coming through from AFP from the police in Jakarta is

:19:30. > :19:37.that they are saying they believed a group affiliated to a local group

:19:38. > :19:41.affiliated to Islamic State is feared to have carried out the

:19:42. > :19:42.attacks, copying the attacks in Paris last November. We will keep

:19:43. > :19:44.you updated. Here in the UK, hundreds more police

:19:45. > :19:47.officers are to carry guns and double the number of armed

:19:48. > :19:49.vehicles in London to respond Five people, including a woman

:19:50. > :19:54.and a baby, are killed in a car bomb attack at the police

:19:55. > :20:04.headquarters of a Turkish town. 40 were injured.

:20:05. > :20:08.Could films like The Revenant or Carol be in line for an Oscar? Later

:20:09. > :20:10.today we will find out who has been nominated to win in the 88 Academy

:20:11. > :20:12.Awards in Los Angeles. Let's catch up with all the sport

:20:13. > :20:15.now and join Will Perry. And England are playing

:20:16. > :20:22.South Africa in the third Test. England's third test against a

:20:23. > :20:27.bigger under way in Dallas by, the hosts won the toss and decided to

:20:28. > :20:30.bat, probably because they did not have a wicketkeeper. Quinton de Kock

:20:31. > :20:38.apparently fell over at home last night, he is ruled out, they have

:20:39. > :20:38.flowed in Dane Vilas from Port Elizabeth, he arrived in the last 20

:20:39. > :20:45.minutes or so. South Africa 40 without loss, England 1-0 up in the

:20:46. > :20:50.series so far. Wins the Leicester, Stoke and

:20:51. > :20:56.Sunderland in the Premier League Darts lied. Arsenal's lead at the

:20:57. > :20:59.top cut after an incredible 3-3 draw at Liverpool, many calling that the

:21:00. > :21:04.game of the season so far. And the world anti-doping agency

:21:05. > :21:09.will repeat a real -- will release a report at TPM this afternoon

:21:10. > :21:12.claiming there was no way members of the IAAF, including Sceptre, the

:21:13. > :21:18.current president, could have been aware of the extent of doping.

:21:19. > :21:25.And Naomi Brodie has gone out of qualifying in Australia, Dan Evans

:21:26. > :21:26.inaction now, James qualifying in Australia, Dan Evans

:21:27. > :21:27.We will keep you up to date. The NHS, prison service,

:21:28. > :21:29.police and teachers all need urgent reform and training in how to deal

:21:30. > :21:31.with transgender people. That's one of the findings

:21:32. > :21:34.of the first parliamentary report into the issue by the Commons Women

:21:35. > :21:36.and Equalities Committee. It is now asking the Government

:21:37. > :21:40.to draw up a new strategy to tackle the problem within

:21:41. > :21:41.the next six months. The report says that transgender

:21:42. > :21:44.people still experience high levels of transphobia on a daily basis

:21:45. > :21:48.and that the NHS is "failing in its legal duty" to provide equal

:21:49. > :21:51.access to services and guarantee zero tolerance of

:21:52. > :21:54.transphobic behaviour. It calls for police officers to have

:21:55. > :21:56.mandatory training for dealing And for transgender people

:21:57. > :22:02.to have the choice of an X on their passport instead

:22:03. > :22:04.of male or female. Our reporter Jim Reed has been

:22:05. > :22:07.looking at some of the issues I felt uncomfortable around girls

:22:08. > :22:34.because I saw something in them that I liked and that I identified with,

:22:35. > :22:44.and I didn't feel comfortable around guys because...

:22:45. > :23:23.such pressure to be masculine. I was literally waiting for three

:23:24. > :23:27.years to speak to somebody about this and I thought,

:23:28. > :23:30."I might not even be here in three The gender recognition process,

:23:31. > :24:13.as it is currently, It's unnecessary and you're

:24:14. > :24:20.being judged by other people, you're having other people

:24:21. > :24:25.look at you and say, "Well, I agree with you

:24:26. > :24:39.on what you identify as." For the first time, MPs have

:24:40. > :24:41.actually listened to trans people The only thing that I'm concerned

:24:42. > :24:47.about is whether MPs are going to take the report

:24:48. > :24:50.and they're actually going to run with it and they're actually

:24:51. > :24:54.going to make sure that all the stuff gets into law

:24:55. > :25:04.and this actually happens. Let's go live to the Conservative MP

:25:05. > :25:15.Maria Miller who's behind the report Thank you for joining us. What

:25:16. > :25:20.surprised you the most about this issue? We took evidence from more

:25:21. > :25:25.than 260 people and organisations for our inquiry, the first from the

:25:26. > :25:28.new Women And Equalities Committee committee. We were shocked by the

:25:29. > :25:32.level of abuse and public service failure when it comes to trans

:25:33. > :25:36.people. The report has got more than 30 recommendations and I hope the

:25:37. > :25:39.Government looks carefully at what we have recommended. If there was

:25:40. > :25:42.one headline you could put out there, but would it be in terms of

:25:43. > :25:51.the area that needs to be looked at and what needs to change? I think

:25:52. > :25:53.the area that particularly concerned us was the NHS, and the NHS should

:25:54. > :25:56.be there for all of us but at the moment the evidence we have received

:25:57. > :26:02.would suggest it is not there in the way it needs to be for trans people.

:26:03. > :26:06.That is about making sure we have proper training for people within

:26:07. > :26:10.the NHS about how to support trans people but also that there is no

:26:11. > :26:14.delay there in people receiving the support that they need, because

:26:15. > :26:21.particularly for young people that delay can see not just damaging but

:26:22. > :26:26.tragic. What changes specifically should happen? We need to make sure

:26:27. > :26:28.that NHS England put in place continuous professional development

:26:29. > :26:33.training for all its medics throughout the health service, but

:26:34. > :26:38.also that the regulatory authorities take misconduct in this area

:26:39. > :26:43.seriously because we received evidence which would suggest that

:26:44. > :26:50.sometimes, in some parts of the NHS, trans people are under receiving end

:26:51. > :26:54.of significant discrimination. You have compared the treatment of

:26:55. > :26:57.transgender people in this country with the treatment of gay people,

:26:58. > :27:06.where you have said that Britain has led the world. What does the way

:27:07. > :27:11.transgender people have been treated say about this country, in your

:27:12. > :27:17.view? I believe that, as a nation, we have, at our heart, issues of

:27:18. > :27:23.equality, and indeed attitudes on this are changing. Only today the

:27:24. > :27:28.Fawcett Society, an organisation known for its campaigning zeal on

:27:29. > :27:33.women's issues, have issued a really important piece of research which so

:27:34. > :27:37.is that 44% of people are already aware of the fact that gender isn't

:27:38. > :27:44.simply a straightforward as male or female. I think attitudes are

:27:45. > :27:47.changing, films like The Danish Girl and announcements by people like

:27:48. > :27:53.Caitlin Jenne, OK it is Hollywood and not normal life for people in

:27:54. > :27:56.Britain, but they start to raise awareness of the issue and prompt

:27:57. > :27:59.the need for change. At the moment, our public services and laws are

:28:00. > :28:06.lagging behind public opinion. Maria Miller, thank you very much.

:28:07. > :28:09.Here in the studio, Fox Fisher, and Dr James Barrett.

:28:10. > :28:17.Fox, you are female to male transgender, what do you think about

:28:18. > :28:25.what you have heard? It sounds promising, I'm female to male but

:28:26. > :28:32.also on the non-binary spectrum. But I am very excited about changes or

:28:33. > :28:37.acknowledgement of non-binary people in the UK. So you would prefer not

:28:38. > :28:43.to have to define yourself as female or male? But you have to currently?

:28:44. > :28:47.Absolutely. I took part in a documentary a few years ago and

:28:48. > :28:48.Absolutely. I took part in a not able to be non-binary them

:28:49. > :28:51.because they didn't think the audience would understand it. Now we

:28:52. > :28:55.are starting to see more people, also celebrities, coming out as

:28:56. > :28:59.non-binary which help people understand what it is like to be

:29:00. > :29:03.between male and female, to define as that. Did you only discover you

:29:04. > :29:09.were non-binary having transitioned? Yes. Presumably you thought when she

:29:10. > :29:13.became male everything would be right and you discover that wasn't

:29:14. > :29:17.the case? It has been a long process, it started with me not

:29:18. > :29:22.defining as a woman, that started my journey. I realised I didn't fully

:29:23. > :29:26.define as a man either. But regardless of that I'm very excited

:29:27. > :29:32.about awareness for trans-people across the board in the past ball or

:29:33. > :29:34.five years, it has really exploded and we have seen a lot of changes

:29:35. > :29:38.happening. What you are describing is something when you are grubbing

:29:39. > :29:44.up, you don't understand it within yourself and there are no role

:29:45. > :29:49.models around you, little understanding of the -- when you are

:29:50. > :29:53.growing up. It is difficult then to see how society as a whole gets to

:29:54. > :29:57.grip on something that is relatively new, all relatively new in terms of

:29:58. > :30:02.our understanding and what is out there? I think our perception is

:30:03. > :30:06.shifting, we are learning as we are going on, language is shifting as

:30:07. > :30:11.well. I was not born knowing the terminology about trans-issues but I

:30:12. > :30:14.have developed that and I think we are all learning as we go along.

:30:15. > :30:20.Maria Miller was highlighting certain issues in the NHS, have you

:30:21. > :30:24.come across issues in the NHS? I have, and I'm a film I get and

:30:25. > :30:29.record other people story so I have got quite a few people but have told

:30:30. > :30:34.me how things were not that great for them and how it affected their

:30:35. > :30:37.mental health and was very costly for them, if they decided to go

:30:38. > :30:41.privately in order to be seen quicker. If they didn't do that, and

:30:42. > :30:48.this is the case for me with my personal story, if I didn't go

:30:49. > :30:49.Private at the time that I did, I don't think I would still be around

:30:50. > :31:09.now. What with the issues? The process is

:31:10. > :31:12.quite long winded, the GP would try to talk me out of it, but I had

:31:13. > :31:17.thought about it for about a decade and overcome a lot of personal

:31:18. > :31:24.hurdles. Once I was in the system, it did take a very, very long time

:31:25. > :31:24.and I was quite frustrated with the amount of time that it took. It

:31:25. > :31:36.affected me psychologically. Dr Barrett, how common is it for a

:31:37. > :31:42.GP to try to talk transgenders out of this? Extremely common. I can

:31:43. > :31:47.recall somebody who went to see their GP and their GP confidently

:31:48. > :31:49.assured them the NHS didn't do this sort of thing and the patient was

:31:50. > :31:53.very disappointed, upset and wrote to their MP in order to complain and

:31:54. > :31:57.say that the NHS should do this sort of thing and the MP quickly

:31:58. > :32:01.established that actually it does, there are NHS gender identity

:32:02. > :32:05.clinics and the oldest is actually 50 years old and the GP had simply

:32:06. > :32:12.confidently said something that wasn't true. So for complete

:32:13. > :32:18.clarification, what should happen, what is available? There are seven

:32:19. > :32:20.gender clinics in the country, not geographically positioned where you

:32:21. > :32:27.would wish, but there are seven. There is no need for patients to see

:32:28. > :32:29.a psychiatrist before referral, they can be referred directly by their GP

:32:30. > :32:35.and, working in a gender identity clinic, as I do, I would rather

:32:36. > :32:38.people were briskly referred because local psychiatric services are

:32:39. > :32:41.unlikely to be helpful because the patients essentially don't have a

:32:42. > :32:46.psychiatric problem. What they need to see is a gender identity clinic

:32:47. > :32:49.as speedily as possible. With MPs talking about this now and the

:32:50. > :32:54.infrastructure in place as it is, should this be a relatively simple

:32:55. > :32:58.issue to put right? Belatedly but very welcomely, the NHS has put a

:32:59. > :33:03.considerable amount of funding into gender identity services. I think

:33:04. > :33:07.historically they felt it can't be that big an issue or it may go

:33:08. > :33:11.historically they felt it can't be and there is now a recognition that

:33:12. > :33:15.it won't go away and the money is there. Of course, if you throw money

:33:16. > :33:19.at something, it won't make things better in a week because you have to

:33:20. > :33:27.train up all the clinicians involved from the many disciplines involved,

:33:28. > :33:32.surgery, speech therapy, chronology, hair removal, psychology and the

:33:33. > :33:36.report has said quite properly why is this part of psychiatric

:33:37. > :33:47.services, we couldn't agree more. It isn't obvious that it's going to fit

:33:48. > :33:49.into endochronology because there's more to it and there's more to it

:33:50. > :33:53.than surge rip. It's a specialism on its own because there are so many

:33:54. > :33:58.disciplines involved. I'm the President of the British Association

:33:59. > :34:02.of gender identity specialists and we are pushing for recognition that

:34:03. > :34:06.this is a little specialism in its own right and that people involved

:34:07. > :34:10.are going to come from different areas of clinical practice and need

:34:11. > :34:14.to be sort of separately specialised in this area and working in well

:34:15. > :34:18.established clinics with proper training so that patients who arrive

:34:19. > :34:31.can be confident that they are seeing somebody who knows what they

:34:32. > :34:35.are doing. Maria Miller was talking about Hollywood, we had Hollywood

:34:36. > :34:39.stars, but does that help, does that sort of awareness coming through

:34:40. > :34:42.make a difference? I think it does because it's in the public

:34:43. > :34:46.perception, but to look at these people and imagine that they are

:34:47. > :34:51.spokespeople for the trans community is just not possible because they

:34:52. > :34:56.have access to all sorts of stuff that other people don't like

:34:57. > :35:00.finances to be able to pay for surgeries and have stuff happen

:35:01. > :35:09.very, very quickly but it does help public perception. I agree it does

:35:10. > :35:13.but transpeople are people, they are welders, fitters, teachers, they are

:35:14. > :35:16.ordinary people living ordinary lives and when they hit the Health

:35:17. > :35:21.Service which is the bit that concerns me, it's not so much

:35:22. > :35:26.clinics where people like I work, the level of dissatisfaction with

:35:27. > :35:30.people who work in clinics runs at half a percent, it's the rest of the

:35:31. > :35:34.Health Service. A month ago I travelled to a conference with a

:35:35. > :35:39.surgeon who does gender reassignment surgery and he related a patient

:35:40. > :35:45.he'd operated on, she did well, went back to where she live and had a

:35:46. > :35:52.minor post-op complication and was admitted to a hospital that didn't

:35:53. > :35:59.know what they were doing and they persistently referred to her as "he"

:36:00. > :36:03.and put her on a male ward. One in five GPs is reluctant to prescribe

:36:04. > :36:09.when we advise them exactly how to do so. In all of Buckinghamshire,

:36:10. > :36:16.there isn't a single GP who will prescribe for a single patient on

:36:17. > :36:20.the basis of a decision taken by a single GP who sat on a committee.

:36:21. > :36:25.The local endochronologyists won't prescribe either and say they lack

:36:26. > :36:28.the training or experience which I find somewhat implausible. We have

:36:29. > :36:33.flagged this up to NHS England and said, this is a crisis coming down

:36:34. > :36:40.the track, you can't have a whole county where there is no hormone

:36:41. > :36:47.treatment given out. Nobody seems to be doing anything. The GPs say it's

:36:48. > :36:50.terribly specialist. The How specialist is it? How many

:36:51. > :36:55.transgender people would you estimate there are? It's very

:36:56. > :37:01.difficult. You would need to do population surveys. At the maximum,

:37:02. > :37:05.probably about 1% of the population, but people seeking medical

:37:06. > :37:09.intervention, less than that. We are still talking large numbers of

:37:10. > :37:14.individuals which would be handleable if we had a joined up

:37:15. > :37:18.service with GPs prepared to take specialist and vice from clinics and

:37:19. > :37:22.go with it. There are always claims that, I'm not experienced at doing

:37:23. > :37:28.this, but if you never do it, you never get the experience so things

:37:29. > :37:31.will never change. Exactly. En The patients are younger than me, you

:37:32. > :37:36.are younger than me, I'll be dead, who is going to prescribe for you

:37:37. > :37:41.then! ? Thank you both very much. Lots of people getting in touch.

:37:42. > :37:46.Lucy says it's society that has a long way to go, health care

:37:47. > :37:51.education and so on. Equality for trans people seriously needs

:37:52. > :37:56.improving. Young people are being encouraged

:37:57. > :37:58.to train as social workers when they graduate but will

:37:59. > :38:01.the stress of the job We'll speak to two women

:38:02. > :38:14.about their experiences Chris Grayling has become the first

:38:15. > :38:19.MP to say he may campaign about leaving the European Union. Norman

:38:20. > :38:26.Smith is in Westminster for us. We are interrupting you tea break

:38:27. > :38:31.sorry. David Cameron has said campaigners can campaign, is it now

:38:32. > :38:34.open season? Chris Grayling very carefully doesn't actually break

:38:35. > :38:39.ranks and publicly say, I am going to campaign to leave, but frankly he

:38:40. > :38:44.does the next best thing. I don't think anyone's under any illusions.

:38:45. > :38:51.He is going to argue for Britain to leave the EU. I was reading his

:38:52. > :38:53.Telegraph article and he's not calling for a minor tweak, he says

:38:54. > :38:59.at present we can't defend our national interests. He says that

:39:00. > :39:02.very often we are outvoted by eurozone countries even though we

:39:03. > :39:05.are not in the eurozone and our rules are decided by the European

:39:06. > :39:10.Court of Justice, rather than our own courts. So he is pretty

:39:11. > :39:15.passionate I think and pretty clear that he wants to leave. There's been

:39:16. > :39:23.very striking sentence in the article. Let me read it to you:

:39:24. > :39:27.Staying in the EU with current terms of membership unchanged would be

:39:28. > :39:34.disastrous for Britain. Disastrous. So no doubt where he stands. He's

:39:35. > :39:36.not sitting on the fence. He's pretty much absolutely clear he

:39:37. > :39:40.wants to pull out. What is interesting is whether this will be

:39:41. > :39:46.the prelude to an all out Civil War, whether they are going to be gouging

:39:47. > :39:51.each other's eyes out. Mr Grayling appeals not to descend into a rerun

:39:52. > :39:57.of the glacial Civil War. He says, as Conservatives on different sides

:39:58. > :40:02.of the argument, we need to treat each other's views with respect and

:40:03. > :40:09.good grace. We need to remain friends. Now, the question is, will

:40:10. > :40:14.the Tory party party be able to fight this referendum without

:40:15. > :40:18.getting stuck into each other like they did with the Maastricht saga

:40:19. > :40:21.with John Major, or will feelings over Europe just be too much and

:40:22. > :40:28.inevitably it will descend into carnage? Well, this morning, we

:40:29. > :40:33.heard from Damien Green, part of the pro-European stronger in Europe

:40:34. > :40:37.campaign and he too appealed to Tories to try and do this without

:40:38. > :40:43.spilling blood all over the place. This is what he said. I don't think

:40:44. > :40:47.Chris is right. I think that there are some myths pedalled in his

:40:48. > :40:54.article. It's surprising that he says where we are is disastrous in

:40:55. > :40:55.that he and I fought a successful general election campaign less than

:40:56. > :41:01.a year ago pointing out Britain's deficits coming down, jobs being

:41:02. > :41:05.created, apprenticeships being created, inflation is low,

:41:06. > :41:09.unemployment is low. That is as a member of the European Union, so I

:41:10. > :41:17.think his language about that is pretty overstated.

:41:18. > :41:21.Now, what is interesting is, how do Downing Street view this and feel

:41:22. > :41:25.about Chris Grayling tip-toeing up to the wire and saying, hi, I'm

:41:26. > :41:32.going to campaign to pull out? They think it's not much of a big deal.

:41:33. > :41:35.They are pretty relaxed. Why? Bluntly, no offence to Mr Grayling,

:41:36. > :41:39.is because it's Mr Grayling. If it would have been someone like Theresa

:41:40. > :41:43.May, well, if it would have been Theresa May who many people are

:41:44. > :41:47.wondering will she campaign to pull out, that would have been entirely a

:41:48. > :41:51.different matter. Similarly if it would have been the Mayor of London,

:41:52. > :41:54.Boris Johnson, if he'd have written that article, you rather think

:41:55. > :41:58.Number Ten would be in a nervous sweat. What is interesting to me is,

:41:59. > :42:04.we are only potentially a few weeks away from all this kicking off

:42:05. > :42:10.because Mr Cameron's talking about trying to get a deal hammered out at

:42:11. > :42:13.the summit, so we are getting towards the stumbling blocks.

:42:14. > :42:17.There's no sign of the big beasts being prepared to lead the out

:42:18. > :42:22.campaign and you wonder how much of a disadvantage that is going to be

:42:23. > :42:24.to those who want to leave the EU. Thank you Norman. Get back to your

:42:25. > :42:33.tea and paper! See you later. Let's get the latest weather

:42:34. > :42:39.update with Matt Taylor. We keep hearing that snow is on the

:42:40. > :42:49.way. It's been a messy mix across the UK.

:42:50. > :42:52.Some had ice, rain, sleet, snow and some have soon different types of

:42:53. > :42:57.weather. Let me show you why. It can come down to 0.5 of a degree or so

:42:58. > :43:02.as to whether you get rain or snow. This time of year, what falls from

:43:03. > :43:07.the sky when temperatures are freezing will be snow initially. It

:43:08. > :43:11.false into warmer air, it felts, the freezing level gets lower and low

:43:12. > :43:16.sore at this point, the snow will follow. If you live up a hill, you

:43:17. > :43:21.could be in the snow, down in the valley, you could be in the rain

:43:22. > :43:26.that. 'S why people close to each other see different weather types.

:43:27. > :43:32.You can see the green fields in the valley and up the hill, the

:43:33. > :43:37.snow-laden skies. You need to pick up the intensity, the heavier the

:43:38. > :43:41.rain, the colder the air gets. The water evaporates and the snow

:43:42. > :43:47.eventually follows it to the surface. You can bring colder air

:43:48. > :43:52.into the surface too, bringing the snow down and affecting all of us.

:43:53. > :43:57.I learnt something from the weather reports every day, whether it's a

:43:58. > :44:03.new word or explanation on how things work, brilliant thank you!

:44:04. > :44:07.We continue this messy wintry mix across the UK. Certainly today it

:44:08. > :44:11.has been pretty interesting so far and we'll continue to sea a mixture

:44:12. > :44:16.of sunshine, rain, sleet and snow through the rest of the day too.

:44:17. > :44:22.This picture from Morpeth is where it's been snowing in the last hour

:44:23. > :44:29.in Northumberland. Heavy snow flak flakes and it's continuing to snow

:44:30. > :44:33.in north-east England. The sleet and snow pushing south. Further west,

:44:34. > :44:37.wintry flurries into the north-west of Scotland, Northern Ireland

:44:38. > :44:41.developing into the afternoon, but many western areas should stay dry

:44:42. > :44:46.and sunny. To go with the cloud, the rain sleet and snow from parts of

:44:47. > :44:51.south-east England, East Anglia Lincolnshire, this is where we could

:44:52. > :44:57.see severe gales. Gusts of up to 60mph. Wherever you are, whether you

:44:58. > :45:01.have the sunshine, or not, it's going to be feeling raw in the wind.

:45:02. > :45:07.Snow is still falling in the showers in north-west Scotland and we could

:45:08. > :45:09.see some lying snow by the end of the afternoon.

:45:10. > :45:14.In Northern Ireland, the showers start to get going. A sunny

:45:15. > :45:19.afternoon in Wales but it will feel cold in the wind. One or two

:45:20. > :45:22.showers, a bit of sleet is possible over the higher ground. Temperatures

:45:23. > :45:26.may read about three to eight this afternoon but the strength of the

:45:27. > :45:30.wind, especially in the east, will make it feel subzero out there. If

:45:31. > :45:36.you have light winds at the moment, it doesn't feel too bad but wait

:45:37. > :45:41.until the wind gets going. Stronger winds depart into the North Sea.

:45:42. > :45:45.We'll see some wintry showers across the western areas too. Perhaps more

:45:46. > :45:49.widely a problem will be the ice as temperatures drop below freezing for

:45:50. > :45:55.just about all of us. Could get as low as minus eight or ten in parts

:45:56. > :46:01.of Scotland, if not a nudge lower. Cold, icy start tomorrow. Lying snow

:46:02. > :46:05.in the north and west. A fine balance between rain, sleet and snow

:46:06. > :46:10.once again but if anything, more drier weather around tomorrow. A bit

:46:11. > :46:11.of sunshine but it will still feel chilly, even with highs of around

:46:12. > :46:19.three to eight. amount of time that it took. It

:46:20. > :46:27.affected me psychologically. What follows is higher pressure in

:46:28. > :46:31.the UK, which means some very cold weather indeed. We could see

:46:32. > :46:36.temperatures across Scotland drop as low as -15, if not lower, which will

:46:37. > :46:39.put us into the coldest spell for four or five years. But at least by

:46:40. > :46:43.day we should all see some crisp winter sunshine.

:46:44. > :46:49.I'm Joanna Gosling, in for Victoria Derbyshire.

:46:50. > :46:49.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:46:50. > :46:58.The Indonesian capital Jakarta is targeted in a series of gun and bomb

:46:59. > :47:02.attacks. It is thought by the the attackers and two civilians have

:47:03. > :47:07.been killed. We will get the latest and speak to eyewitnesses at the

:47:08. > :47:14.scene. There seems to be a body lying in the middle of the street,

:47:15. > :47:15.who police say is either the victim or the suicide bomber that carried

:47:16. > :47:19.out the attack. Sexual assaults on women

:47:20. > :47:22.on New Year's Eve have now been reported across six

:47:23. > :47:29.European countries. We will hear from a British teenager

:47:30. > :47:31.who was attacked in Paris. The Revenant, starring Leonardo

:47:32. > :47:39.DiCaprio, is expected to lead the list of Oscar-nominated in Los

:47:40. > :47:45.Angeles later. We will speak to two previous winners.

:47:46. > :47:49.At least seven people are killed in a gun and bomb attack

:47:50. > :47:51.in the heart of Indonesia's capital, Jakarta.

:47:52. > :47:53.The national police spokesman says those behind the attacks

:47:54. > :47:55.were probably linked to the Islamic State terror group.

:47:56. > :47:58.They believe there were at least seven attackers, including suicide

:47:59. > :48:05.bombers, and that five of them are among the dead.

:48:06. > :48:11.Police say that the attack is now over.

:48:12. > :48:16.Here in the UK, hundreds more police officers will carry guns,

:48:17. > :48:19.and the number of armed response vehicles will double in response

:48:20. > :48:23.The World Health Organisation is expected to declare

:48:24. > :48:28.West Africa's Ebola epidemic officially over later today.

:48:29. > :48:30.The epidemic has claimed more than 11000 lives

:48:31. > :48:31.since it began in December 2013.

:48:32. > :48:34.Let's catch up with the latest from the cricket in South Africa

:48:35. > :48:37.and the rest of the day's sport, with Will Perry.

:48:38. > :48:42.We're an hour and a half into that Third test in Johannesburg.

:48:43. > :48:43.The hosts won the toss and decided to bat, probably because they didn't

:48:44. > :48:48.Quinton de Kock apparently fell over at home last night,

:48:49. > :48:51.he's ruled out and and they've flown in Dane Vilas from Port Elizabeth,

:48:52. > :48:53.he's arrived in the last 45 minutes or so.

:48:54. > :48:55.England have had a breakthrough at the Wanderers.

:48:56. > :48:58.Ben stokes with the wicket after Stiaan van Zyl attempted this

:48:59. > :49:00.pull shot, easy money for Johnny Bairstow

:49:01. > :49:10.Dean Algar and the retired captain Hashim Amla are at the crease.

:49:11. > :49:23.England one-up in the four-match series with one match to play.

:49:24. > :49:32.As you've ben hearing The World anti doping agency will release a report

:49:33. > :49:36.at 2pm this afternoon where they claim there was no

:49:37. > :49:37.way members of the IAAF Council, including current president

:49:38. > :49:40.Sebastian Coe, could have been unaware of the extent of doping.

:49:41. > :49:43.The report, written by WADA's first president, Dick Pound,

:49:44. > :49:55.A huge 23 goals in seven Premier League games last night.

:49:56. > :49:57.The pick of them at Anfield, where Arsenal and Liverpool drew

:49:58. > :50:00.3-3, many calling it the game of the season so far.

:50:01. > :50:04.Arsenal were on course for victory when Olivier Giroud's second

:50:05. > :50:07.of the evening put them 3-2 up shortly after the break.

:50:08. > :50:08.Liverpool left it late though.

:50:09. > :50:12.Joe Allen with a volley in the 90th minute to earn his side a point -

:50:13. > :50:14.much to the delight of his manager Jurgen Klopp.

:50:15. > :50:17.That point for Arsenal means their lead at the top

:50:18. > :50:24.of the table is cut, with Leicester level on 43 points

:50:25. > :50:27.after a 1-0 win at Tottenham, Robert Huth with a header 7 minutes

:50:28. > :50:36.Sunderland moved above neighbours Newcastle with a 4-2 win at Swansea

:50:37. > :50:38.who are just a point above the bottom three now.

:50:39. > :50:41.Jermaine Defoe with a hat-trick at the Liberty Stadium.

:50:42. > :50:46.There were also wins for Southampton and Stoke.

:50:47. > :50:51.We will be speaking to Matthew Hoggard at 10:30am and of course

:50:52. > :50:53.will keep you up-to-date with that test in Johannesburg.

:50:54. > :50:57.We're on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel until 11am this morning.

:50:58. > :50:58.Your contributions are really welcome.

:50:59. > :51:00.Texts will be charged at the standard network rate.

:51:01. > :51:06.We have been talking about transgender equality, lots of people

:51:07. > :51:09.getting in touch. An anonymous text saying, why would teachers need

:51:10. > :51:15.retraining to deal with transgender people? Surely you need to be an

:51:16. > :51:19.adult have a sex change, teachers deal with people younger than that.

:51:20. > :51:25.On Twitter, concerned about trans-phobia and wider development

:51:26. > :51:29.around the trans-enquiry, far more should be done to ensure protection.

:51:30. > :51:35.People should be educated about transgender, I learned when two

:51:36. > :51:38.non-binary people worked in the school where I work.

:51:39. > :51:40.And of course you can watch the programme online wherever

:51:41. > :51:43.you are via the BBC News app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria.

:51:44. > :51:48.And you can also subscribe to all our features on the news app

:51:49. > :51:52.by going to 'add topics' and searching 'Victoria Derbyshire'.

:51:53. > :51:55.Let's get more on the news that at least seven people are dead

:51:56. > :51:58.after a series of large explosions and gun attacks in the centre

:51:59. > :52:01.Indonesian police have said the attackers imitated the terror

:52:02. > :52:11.Let's speak to Rebecca Henschke, who's Head of the BBC

:52:12. > :52:21.It seems it is over, et al latest. The Indonesian police say it is

:52:22. > :52:24.under control, that there have been casualties, mostly on the attackers

:52:25. > :52:28.people side. We are getting reports that one of the victims is a foreign

:52:29. > :52:30.national. The attack took place not far from the United Nations office

:52:31. > :52:35.in the centre of Jakarta, an far from the United Nations office

:52:36. > :52:38.at the Starbucks cafe which has been completely destroyed and also at a

:52:39. > :52:42.police post, so clearly targeting Western targets and also the

:52:43. > :52:45.Indonesian police. Lots of targets, the police

:52:46. > :52:49.described it as a Paris style attack. Seven dead, five of them

:52:50. > :52:56.thought to be the attackers, so in terms of actually successfully

:52:57. > :53:01.attacking civilians, it sounds like they were dealt with pretty quickly?

:53:02. > :53:06.That's right, much quicker than perhaps Mumbai, which went on for

:53:07. > :53:09.days, as similar kind of attack, so the Indonesian police have been able

:53:10. > :53:14.to control the situation quickly. In the years following the Bali bombing

:53:15. > :53:16.the Indonesian police have set up a number of anti-terrorism forces

:53:17. > :53:23.which have been praised for being able to stop attacks like this from

:53:24. > :53:24.happening in Indonesia, said there has not been a serious

:53:25. > :53:25.happening in Indonesia, said there attack in the country for quite some

:53:26. > :53:29.time. What reaction has there been to

:53:30. > :53:36.this? People on social media particularly

:53:37. > :53:41.have really taken on the hashtag of We Are Not Afraid and there are

:53:42. > :53:45.calls for people to come to that location where the attack was

:53:46. > :53:49.tomorrow in white to show they are not afraid. But there has been, of

:53:50. > :53:56.course, a feeling of insecurity. This is the heart of Jakarta, a

:53:57. > :53:59.place where people come and hang out, cinemas, usually a very safe

:54:00. > :54:04.and bustling place, so, for me, personally, I lived there, there is

:54:05. > :54:08.a feeling of fear, I guess. And, as with Paris, the sort of

:54:09. > :54:12.places that people meet up and relax, soft targets?

:54:13. > :54:17.Very much, a place that people spend a lot of time late into the night, a

:54:18. > :54:21.popular cafe, popular cinemas, a bustling shopping area, also close

:54:22. > :54:25.to the financial hub, close to the BBC bureau there and the United

:54:26. > :54:31.Nations. You said about the police response

:54:32. > :54:34.being praised previously, they obviously learned lessons from

:54:35. > :54:38.previous incidents. What sort of measures have they brought in to

:54:39. > :54:43.ensure that they can respond so quickly to something like this?

:54:44. > :54:44.ensure that they can respond so There has been a special

:54:45. > :54:47.anti-terrorism force setup that has received funds from the Australian

:54:48. > :54:53.Government but also working closely with the United states and before

:54:54. > :54:57.Christmas security was increased in Jakarta because there were warnings

:54:58. > :55:01.that an attack like this would happen, and that was based on

:55:02. > :55:06.intelligence coming from Australia. The Indonesian police arrested nine

:55:07. > :55:12.suspects at that time and they said there were conversations they were

:55:13. > :55:15.picking up that there would be a concept in Jakarta, some kind of

:55:16. > :55:18.attack like this, so at that stage they said they had stopped the

:55:19. > :55:20.attack from happening but now they think it was just postponed until

:55:21. > :55:36.now. Thank you.

:55:37. > :55:39.We can talk to Angga Saragih, whose office is near the scene

:55:40. > :55:51.I heard the first explosion, there is some work for transport happening

:55:52. > :55:55.outside and it is was not until people started going to the windows

:55:56. > :55:59.to see what was happening, you could see panic on the road, people

:56:00. > :56:07.abandoning their motorbikes, some people driving off really quickly. I

:56:08. > :56:16.saw people flocking to see what was happening as well, which was weird,

:56:17. > :56:25.not a smart thing to do. Then however many explosions happened, a

:56:26. > :56:28.couple of shootings as well. That is when me and a couple of colleagues

:56:29. > :56:34.took the decision that it might not be such a good idea to be near the

:56:35. > :56:40.windows, so we sort of went back to our desks, turned on the TV and sort

:56:41. > :56:45.of took it all in through Twitter and all that to see what was

:56:46. > :56:50.happening. There were people sending them videos as well from office

:56:51. > :56:57.buildings that are really, really close by. There are a couple of

:56:58. > :57:03.videos of the attackers loving themselves up going around on social

:57:04. > :57:11.media platforms, one of which is very popular in Indonesia, people

:57:12. > :57:14.sharing that as well. Then we started seeing heavy military

:57:15. > :57:26.vehicles rolling in, cordoning the main roads. We started checking back

:57:27. > :57:36.every half hour to see what was happening and probably about an hour

:57:37. > :57:39.ago they allowed us to leave and we started to see the buses going back

:57:40. > :57:49.on operations but only in limited areas, they wouldn't get past the

:57:50. > :57:50.hotel roundabout, they would turn around, so I guess they are still

:57:51. > :57:58.cordoning off that area to gather evidence or whatever. Thank you very

:57:59. > :58:02.much indeed for giving us such a contented description of what has

:58:03. > :58:06.been unfolding there in Jakarta. Some breaking news to bring you from

:58:07. > :58:11.West Midlands police, two more men, both aged 26, we are hearing, have

:58:12. > :58:14.been arrested in Walsall on suspicion of Syrian related

:58:15. > :58:19.terrorism offences, that just through from West Midlands police.

:58:20. > :58:27.Two arrests in Walsall. We will keep you updated as we get any more.

:58:28. > :58:30.Still to come for 11am: As the world of athletics braces itself for

:58:31. > :58:36.another report due to reveal more corruption in the governing body, we

:58:37. > :58:42.hear the thoughts of one athlete hoping to make it to reopen.

:58:43. > :58:45.It's two weeks since New Year's Eve and the number of reported sex

:58:46. > :58:47.assaults on women on that night just keeps rising.

:58:48. > :58:49.They've now been recorded in six European countries,

:58:50. > :58:51.with more than 500 incidents in Germany alone.

:58:52. > :58:54.But the accounts of what happened were slow to emerge via social

:58:55. > :58:56.media, and some women have made accusations that there was a virtual

:58:57. > :58:58.media blackout in the days after it happened.

:58:59. > :59:07.The German government says it will make it easier to deport asylum

:59:08. > :59:09.seekers who commit crimes, after police there revealed most

:59:10. > :59:10.of the suspects are foreign nationals.

:59:11. > :59:18.In a moment we'll hear from a teenager from London who says

:59:19. > :59:18.she was assaulted as she celebrated New Year in Paris.

:59:19. > :59:19.But first let's take a look at what's been

:59:20. > :59:24.Police forces around Europe are continuing to investigate claims

:59:25. > :59:27.of sexual assault against women on New Year's Eve.

:59:28. > :59:30.More than 500 criminal complaints have been filed in Germany relating

:59:31. > :59:33.to incidents occurring that night, with 40% alleging sexual assault.

:59:34. > :59:47.The attacks in Cologne appear to have been organised around

:59:48. > :59:54.the city's train station - and it's thought up to

:59:55. > :00:08.1000 men in groups surrounded women, penning them in, before attacking.

:00:09. > :00:11.The attackers have been described as being of North African

:00:12. > :00:15.This in a country where more than a million asylum seekers

:00:16. > :00:23.Elsewhere in Germany, there have been reports

:00:24. > :00:28.Police in Hamburg have told the BBC that more than 50 women now have

:00:29. > :00:30.reported attacks with similar tactics, while complaints have also

:00:31. > :00:32.been filed in Berlin, Stuttgart, Dusseldorf and Frankfurt.

:00:33. > :00:35.Police in Kalmar, in Sweden, have received 11 sexual harassment

:00:36. > :00:37.complaints regarding New Year's Eve, including from women

:00:38. > :00:45.In Salzburg, in Austria, two men have been charged

:00:46. > :00:48.with sexually assaulting women on New Year's Eve and New Year's

:00:49. > :00:56.In Zurich, in Switzerland, a total of six women now

:00:57. > :00:59.they were sexually assaulted after entering a crowd of multiple

:01:00. > :01:01.men with dark coloured skin, the authorities say.

:01:02. > :01:06.And in Helsinki, in Finland, police say they are investigating

:01:07. > :01:06.two possible criminal offences relating to harassment.

:01:07. > :01:08.They're centred around a gathering of asylum seekers.

:01:09. > :01:11.Now a teenager from London has told this programme that she was sexually

:01:12. > :01:13.assaulted by a group of men while celebrating

:01:14. > :01:23.Klaudia Fior who's 18 was near the Eiffel Tower

:01:24. > :01:26.with her friend Kamali Brown at around 1am when she says a group

:01:27. > :01:28.of men who'd gathered nearby started touching them both.

:01:29. > :01:33.They say they spoke to passing police officers but they couldn't

:01:34. > :01:35.take the matter further because they couldn't

:01:36. > :01:40.A short while later Klaudia says she was dancing in a crowd

:01:41. > :01:43.when a group of five to six men surrounded her and sexually

:01:44. > :01:45.assaulted her when she was on the ground.

:01:46. > :01:48.We've tried to get in touch with police in Paris; they've told

:01:49. > :01:51.us they're looking into our enquiry and will get back to us.

:01:52. > :01:55.Klaudia and Kamali are here and I should add both of them have

:01:56. > :01:58.waived their right to anonymity in this case and have agreed to talk

:01:59. > :02:10.Thank you both very much for coming in. Talk us through what happened

:02:11. > :02:13.because you were in Paris and it started out near the Eiffel Tower as

:02:14. > :02:21.an evening of celebration with no obvious problems? We didn't have any

:02:22. > :02:24.plans so we were in Paris so we said, the Eiffel Tower. We were on

:02:25. > :02:29.the bridge by the Eiffel Tower playing music. After a while as we

:02:30. > :02:32.got closer to the tower, we had families coming over to us and

:02:33. > :02:37.dancing with us so we created a crowd around us. Then there was

:02:38. > :02:42.police trucks going through the mid Sol we had to move to the side. --

:02:43. > :02:47.middle so we had to move to the side. That's when the men started

:02:48. > :02:50.touching us in places inappropriate. That's when the police asked us did

:02:51. > :02:54.they want us to do anything but because they weren't able to

:02:55. > :03:03.communicate to us in English, they dismissed it and walked off. Explain

:03:04. > :03:04.what happened, were the men passing? There was a load of people at the

:03:05. > :03:08.side and in front of us. This is at the moment when there were loads of

:03:09. > :03:12.crowds on the bridge, everyone had to move down because the police were

:03:13. > :03:16.coming up. We were moving down and there were loads of men manoeuvering

:03:17. > :03:21.their hand through people in order to get to us. And were they in a

:03:22. > :03:25.crowd together and what age, could you tell where they were from? From

:03:26. > :03:29.when the attack happened, they weren't men that I would say all

:03:30. > :03:33.knew each other, they were quite random and unfamiliar with each

:03:34. > :03:41.other, but I would say they were all between 30s and 40s. How did you

:03:42. > :03:46.both feel at the early stages when you were being groped - you spoke to

:03:47. > :03:51.the police and they couldn't help? At that point I didn't know the

:03:52. > :03:54.extent that could lead to. I was just like, they were probably drunk

:03:55. > :03:59.it's not that serious, so at that moment in time I was just getting

:04:00. > :04:04.angry but didn't feel no deeper emotion towards it until it

:04:05. > :04:09.happened. More frustrated that people were touching us, rather than

:04:10. > :04:15.like scared. Most of them would touch us and walk away and there

:04:16. > :04:19.were still families around us. We didn't feel like like we were

:04:20. > :04:26.threatened. So when did things change? When we were walking, it got

:04:27. > :04:30.to a point where the police said we didn't have to move any more so we

:04:31. > :04:32.stopped on the bridge. The music was playing throughout the whole time.

:04:33. > :04:37.Members of the public started to dance again so we were like, oh

:04:38. > :04:42.everything's fine, we don't have to worry any more and then... And this

:04:43. > :04:47.was families? Yes, people younger than us that were still there with

:04:48. > :04:50.us and then there was a moment where I went into, they'd created a circle

:04:51. > :04:56.for everyone to dance in the middle. Who is they? All the public and the

:04:57. > :05:00.men that were there as well. So I went into the middle and within a

:05:01. > :05:08.split second, a man had groped my bum. I turned around to see who it

:05:09. > :05:15.was to just be like "can you stop" and, as I done that, that's when all

:05:16. > :05:19.the men grabbed me and made me fall to the floor. So you were

:05:20. > :05:24.effectively swallowed up by a group of men? Yes. Where were you at this

:05:25. > :05:28.point? She fell in front of me but I couldn't see her, there were so many

:05:29. > :05:34.men on top of her. How many men? Five or six. Then there was still a

:05:35. > :05:43.lot of men trying to get in on it around the sides. I couldn't... I

:05:44. > :05:46.felt so helpless. She was just on the floor. At first I didn't

:05:47. > :05:53.think... At first I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but Kamani

:05:54. > :05:57.managed to get a recording of it by accident, it's a dance we do often

:05:58. > :06:01.so she was about to record that and from the video you can see the way

:06:02. > :06:07.the men approached me at first, it seemed as if they were coming to

:06:08. > :06:11.dance with me in the middle so Kamani thought they were having fun

:06:12. > :06:17.with me. Then after a while you could hear me screaming and Kamani

:06:18. > :06:19.tried to get through but it wasn't that easy. As much as there were

:06:20. > :06:24.five to six men on top of me, directly next to me, there was

:06:25. > :06:29.another 50 surrounding us. So you were lying on the ground? I was

:06:30. > :06:34.crumpled up in a ball. Trying to protect yourself? Yes. What were

:06:35. > :06:40.they doing? They grabbed me clothes and completely ripped them apart so

:06:41. > :06:47.I was butt naked on the floor. What did they rip off, everything? I had

:06:48. > :06:52.a unitard on, so once they ripped one part of it, the whole thing came

:06:53. > :06:57.apart. Then they started grabbing like parts of my body. Then they

:06:58. > :07:00.snatched my chains off. Then after that happened, that's when they

:07:01. > :07:07.started penetrating me with their hands. Was there anything that you

:07:08. > :07:16.could do that was going through your mind? I was genuinely just under so

:07:17. > :07:17.much shock and my initial reaction was, don't let them touch you, don't

:07:18. > :07:20.let them get too close to me so I thought if I put myself in a little

:07:21. > :07:25.ball I would be able to stop them from getting too close to me. I

:07:26. > :07:29.tried to get up but because there was so many people there, every time

:07:30. > :07:35.I lifted myself up, someone would push me back down. So honestly, as

:07:36. > :07:41.much as it only lasted two to three minutes, it felt like it was going

:07:42. > :07:44.on for ever and I felt completely powerless that I couldn't do

:07:45. > :07:49.anything to get myself out of the situation. The fact is you were in a

:07:50. > :07:52.situation where there were lots of other people around. I'm sure all

:07:53. > :07:55.sorts of things were going through your mind at the time but could you

:07:56. > :07:59.believe that in an environment where you felt safe a short while ago,

:08:00. > :08:05.suddenly you were caught up in something like that? That's what was

:08:06. > :08:08.really frightening. When I stood up, I didn't feel upset about what

:08:09. > :08:12.happened, what upset me is the amount of people that had the same

:08:13. > :08:15.intention of doing that. I was like, how could so many people unfamiliar

:08:16. > :08:20.with each other think that what they are doing is OK and to think out of

:08:21. > :08:23.all the people on the bridge at the time, there was only one man who

:08:24. > :08:29.came and helped me up and led me off to the side.

:08:30. > :08:34.There was so many people watching. Some people who were younger than

:08:35. > :08:37.us, after the incident happened, they disappeared, no-one helped us

:08:38. > :08:43.afterwards. Some of the men were asking us where our parents were as

:08:44. > :08:49.if it excused their actions. So they spoke English? Some of them, quite

:08:50. > :08:56.brief English, they didn't understand everything. Did they

:08:57. > :09:00.speak French, could you tell where they were from? Mostly they were

:09:01. > :09:05.French but mostly they just laughed or looked at us and kind of

:09:06. > :09:09.dismissed as if as if we weren't saying anything. Afterwards, what

:09:10. > :09:14.did they do? Afterwards when the man who helped me came and got me and

:09:15. > :09:20.took me to the side, I stood at the side and because they'd ripped my

:09:21. > :09:25.clothes I was practically naked so Kamali gave me her jacket. What was

:09:26. > :09:31.really disgusting is that, I was obviously in tears and there was men

:09:32. > :09:37.still standing next to me touching me thinking that that was OK for

:09:38. > :09:41.them to do that. Kamali obviously was like "we're leaving", so we

:09:42. > :09:44.started walking around the bridge and there was about another seven

:09:45. > :09:52.men still following us all the way down to the bottom of the bridge

:09:53. > :09:57.coming up to me and they were like saying "do you want help" but they

:09:58. > :10:05.were the same Kneen had touched me because there were some faces that I

:10:06. > :10:10.had recognised. I was just like, we were like give us the number for the

:10:11. > :10:14.police and they laughed, ignored us and followed us. They followed us

:10:15. > :10:18.all the way to the bottom of the bridge until we got to a cafe and

:10:19. > :10:23.they realised that we had called the police. After the incident happened,

:10:24. > :10:25.all of a sudden there was not a single police officer on the bridge

:10:26. > :10:31.so there was no-one we could turn to and ask for help until we got to the

:10:32. > :10:39.restaurant. How quickly did the police respond? We waited like 20

:10:40. > :10:40.minutes. What was their attitude when you reported it? When we were

:10:41. > :10:46.speaking to the police officers who came and got us and dropped us at

:10:47. > :10:48.the station, some of them were quite sympathetic with the situation

:10:49. > :10:52.regardless of I don't think they could understand everything I was

:10:53. > :10:58.saying but some were quite dismissive. One lady seemed like...

:10:59. > :11:05.She kept asking if I drank alcohol and the way she asked it seemed as

:11:06. > :11:09.if I'd drunk that's the reason they came to me so it was like my fault

:11:10. > :11:12.because I'd been drinking, so they were ignorant to the situation. When

:11:13. > :11:17.we got to the police station, the police officers were quite nice and

:11:18. > :11:24.they did kind of make sure we were all right.

:11:25. > :11:29.How do you feel about it now? To be honest, everyone expects me to be

:11:30. > :11:33.really down whereas I'm not, that's not how I feel whatsoever, to me

:11:34. > :11:37.it's kind of showing that at first I was like, I feel afraid to be myself

:11:38. > :11:41.again because all I was doing that night was being myself, being the

:11:42. > :11:44.normal bubbly self that I am, so when that happened I sort of felt I

:11:45. > :11:48.was being punished for that. After when that happened I sort of felt I

:11:49. > :11:52.while, I came to realise that I hadn't done anything wrong that

:11:53. > :11:58.night, it was not my fault in any way, shape or form, no matter how

:11:59. > :12:02.anyone puts it. After a while I came to terms with it and thought, I

:12:03. > :12:05.can't blame myself for what happened because it wasn't my fault. I don't

:12:06. > :12:10.let it affect me but there are moments like after it happened I

:12:11. > :12:14.didn't leave my house for a while because I didn't want to be

:12:15. > :12:20.surrounded by crowds and when I did leave the house I went to Oxford

:12:21. > :12:22.Circus and it was so busy and I had a panic attack because there were so

:12:23. > :12:26.many people that I didn't know. There are moments when I don't want

:12:27. > :12:29.to be here, I don't want to do that because it's changed the way I view

:12:30. > :12:34.things. At the same time, it's not had that much of a major effect but

:12:35. > :12:40.I don't know if that's because of the mindset that I've put myself in.

:12:41. > :12:45.Being there as well, Kamali, obviously you are being incredibly

:12:46. > :12:52.supportive for Klaudia, it's been very hard not being able to help

:12:53. > :12:53.your friend at the time? The worst thing was not being able to get to

:12:54. > :12:59.her, the fact that so many people were on top of her and you couldn't

:13:00. > :13:02.grab them, none of them would come off her, none would like acknowledge

:13:03. > :13:08.the fact that they were doing something wrong. Then even

:13:09. > :13:15.afterwards, I've never seen her so distressed and it was so painful to

:13:16. > :13:20.watch her in tears and I just hated all of it. And right now I'm happen

:13:21. > :13:26.nay she's handling it so well and that she's so mentally strong

:13:27. > :13:30.because I don't think I could handle it as well as she's handling it.

:13:31. > :13:35.Klaudia and Kamali. Paul on Twitter feels sorry for the girls,

:13:36. > :13:40.disgusting, and another Twitter viewer says very brave. I said

:13:41. > :13:44.earlier we have tried to talk to the police in Paris. Our BBC reporter in

:13:45. > :13:49.the City's told us that they have spoken to women's defence groups

:13:50. > :13:52.about claims on assaults on women on New Year's Eve. They say they didn't

:13:53. > :13:55.record a spike in reports that night. We should be clear that the

:13:56. > :13:59.case we have just been talking about is not linked to the attacks on

:14:00. > :14:05.women in Cologne but people are starting to ask what was behind

:14:06. > :14:08.those attacks. An official report said the combination of sexual

:14:09. > :14:12.violence and robbery had not been seen in Germany. It refers to

:14:13. > :14:17.something which means group sexual harassment in crowds. It's a term

:14:18. > :14:20.that's been used to describe incidents reported in Cairo's Tahrir

:14:21. > :14:28.Square at the time of the Egyptian revolution, but what does it mean?

:14:29. > :14:38.Let's talk to Sally Nabil in our Cairo brew row. Bureau, tell us

:14:39. > :14:41.about that? It's a day-to-day phenomena. If we come to verbal

:14:42. > :14:45.harassment, not just physical, we can say that maybe not a single

:14:46. > :14:50.woman in Egypt's not been verbally harassed at least once in her life.

:14:51. > :14:55.The UN issued a study a couple of years ago saying that maybe 90% of

:14:56. > :15:05.Egyptian women have been sexually harassed in the street. When it

:15:06. > :15:10.comes to collective sexual harassment, we can see on occasions

:15:11. > :15:14.where there are huge gatherings, especially down town for example

:15:15. > :15:18.when people were celebrating the election of President Sisi two years

:15:19. > :15:23.ago, there were reports about collective sexual harassments where

:15:24. > :15:28.a lot of girls were almost raped in Tahrir square and the area

:15:29. > :15:32.surrounding it. The problem is, a lot of people here put the blame on

:15:33. > :15:39.the girls sometimes. They say that because the girl is not decently

:15:40. > :15:44.dressed, so it's as if inviting her harasser to abuse her. But this is

:15:45. > :15:52.not necessarily true because some girls who're fully covered up who

:15:53. > :15:55.eeven wear the full face cover, they are sexually harassed as well --

:15:56. > :16:00.even. A lot of girls do not come up and speak about it because this is a

:16:01. > :16:04.social taboo, a social stigma, they are embarrassed, shy, they don't

:16:05. > :16:08.want to report it, so the problem is that not all the victims believe

:16:09. > :16:12.that they are victims and that the society is going to support them

:16:13. > :16:14.because, from a social perspective, a lot of people sometimes put the

:16:15. > :16:21.blame on the girl. Still to come before 11: How

:16:22. > :16:25.high-calibre graduates in England are being targeting to become

:16:26. > :16:34.children's social workers. And The Revenant, starring

:16:35. > :16:37.Leonardo DiCaprio, is expected to lead the list of Oscar

:16:38. > :16:40.nominations this lunchtime - we'll speak to two previous

:16:41. > :16:43.academy award winners. At least seven people are killed

:16:44. > :16:48.in a gun and bomb attack in the heart of Indonesia's

:16:49. > :16:50.capital, Jakarta. The national police spokesman says

:16:51. > :16:56.those behind the attacks were probably linked

:16:57. > :17:04.to the Islamic State terror group. They believe a number of attackers

:17:05. > :17:07.set of suicide bombs. Police say the attack is now over and the president

:17:08. > :17:10.has insisted that Indonesia will not give into terror.

:17:11. > :17:13.Here in the UK, hundreds more police officers will carry guns,

:17:14. > :17:15.and the number of armed response vehicles will double in response

:17:16. > :17:19.West Africa's Ebola epidemic will be declared officially over today

:17:20. > :17:25.The epidemic began in December 2013 and killed more than 11,000 people.

:17:26. > :17:29.Could films like The Revenant or Carol be in line for an Oscar?

:17:30. > :17:32.Later today we'll find out who's been nominated to win in the 88th

:17:33. > :17:43.Let's catch up with Will Perry at the BBC Sport Centre and you've

:17:44. > :17:45.got the latest from the cricket for us.

:17:46. > :17:49.Let's bring you the latest from Johannesburg.

:17:50. > :17:54.England against South Africa, of course.

:17:55. > :17:54.The hosts won the toss and decided to bat.

:17:55. > :18:00.We can speak to the former England bowler Matthew Hogard.

:18:01. > :18:05.We had a strange situation where South Africa will without a

:18:06. > :18:08.wicketkeeper, Quinton de Kock apparently slipping over at home, he

:18:09. > :18:11.was ruled out and they have had to fly in Dane Vilas from Port

:18:12. > :18:16.Elizabeth who has now arrived, he is on the balcony. It is like the

:18:17. > :18:27.Chuckle Brothers! It is, if it happened in England there would be a

:18:28. > :18:34.lot of who are! Quinton de Kock was going to open the batting, to offer

:18:35. > :18:43.some part time the JP Duminy, said there has been a lot of shuffling

:18:44. > :18:44.and changing of personnel in South Africa. But what can you say about a

:18:45. > :18:47.be of the? He has taken over the rain as a tutor, not only has he won

:18:48. > :18:51.the toss, a tricky one to say whether they should bat or bowl

:18:52. > :18:55.first, they are batting and he is doing well. Is that why South Africa

:18:56. > :19:00.chose to bat, because they did not have a wicketkeeper? There is plenty

:19:01. > :19:04.in that picture for the bowlers. It is difficult to bowl and then run

:19:05. > :19:08.behind the batsman and catch it yourself! You need a keeper, you

:19:09. > :19:14.need all 11 players to play the game. It is a little bit like Lords,

:19:15. > :19:17.the cracks can open up in Johannesburg, it normally quickens

:19:18. > :19:22.up on day two and the indentations made by the ball on day one can

:19:23. > :19:27.prove a bit more effective on day two. It was a tough choice between

:19:28. > :19:32.batting and bowling, but get in the first half-hour and make a, which is

:19:33. > :19:35.what the South Africans are doing. They have weathered the new ball,

:19:36. > :19:38.and they are in the process of setting themselves up to be in a

:19:39. > :19:43.good position after the first session. Advantage South Africa

:19:44. > :19:46.early on but England got that wicked, what did you make of that

:19:47. > :19:55.from Stiaan van Zyl, a hawk which went straight into the hands of

:19:56. > :19:56.Jonny Bairstow behind the stumps? I've seen the Australia opener David

:19:57. > :20:02.Warner get out a couple of times I've seen the Australia opener David

:20:03. > :20:07.like that in their series. Who else but Ben Stokes? What can he do

:20:08. > :20:15.wrong? He scored 150 in the last test match and has come on and a.

:20:16. > :20:20.Ben Stokes doing well -- come on and take our wicket. How much of a

:20:21. > :20:26.feather in the cap will it be for Trevor Bayliss if they can win the

:20:27. > :20:30.series? He will have taken a back-seat and said, it is all about

:20:31. > :20:32.the players, all I have done is encourage them to perform. You will

:20:33. > :20:40.shift it straight back onto the players. But all of the reports

:20:41. > :20:44.coming out of the changing room are very successful, a very happy coach.

:20:45. > :20:48.Thank you, Matthew Hoggard, former England bowler joining us here on

:20:49. > :20:51.Victoria Derbyshire. We will keep you up-to-date with the result of

:20:52. > :20:56.that one on the News Channel throughout the day. England 1-0 in

:20:57. > :20:59.the series with one match to play. Lovely, thank you, see you later.

:21:00. > :21:01.The world athletics governing body, the IAAF, is braced for further

:21:02. > :21:04.The World Anti-Doping Agency is revealing another report

:21:05. > :21:07.into the doping and corruption scandal - and it's not expected

:21:08. > :21:11.Its first report, in November, led to Russia being suspended

:21:12. > :21:16.Today's report is expected to look more closely at the conduct

:21:17. > :21:21.There've been no allegations against Lord Coe, the IAAF

:21:22. > :21:23.President, but questions are sure to be asked over whether he's

:21:24. > :21:38.the person to clean up the sport's image.

:21:39. > :21:41.Let's speak now to Joolz Adineran, an international 110m hurdler who's

:21:42. > :21:50.Good luck on that, you find out in July. But what do you think of what

:21:51. > :21:55.is emerging today? It is shocking, the revelations are painful. I, like

:21:56. > :21:58.many schoolchildren around the country, grew up with a love of

:21:59. > :22:01.competition and the belief that if I worked hard enough I would have a

:22:02. > :22:04.chance of winning, so it is concerning for young and

:22:05. > :22:08.up-and-coming athletes. There have been delegations about doping dating

:22:09. > :22:13.back so many years, did you would have an element of cynicism

:22:14. > :22:17.potentially about some of your competitors, without specifically

:22:18. > :22:21.pointing fingers? But because the previous allegations is it something

:22:22. > :22:26.that is always in the background? Athletes like myself sacrificed so

:22:27. > :22:30.much, we train six days a week, 48 weeks of the year, for a decade or

:22:31. > :22:33.longer. Everything you do is channelling performance, from the

:22:34. > :22:36.time you go to bed until the time you get breakfast, it is on the

:22:37. > :22:42.premise that when you step outside you will be on a level playing

:22:43. > :22:45.field, and so to think that your sporting achievement, opportunities,

:22:46. > :22:49.livelihood could be stolen from you by a three to choose to cheat, it is

:22:50. > :22:57.a sickening revelation, a sickening thought. -- by athletes. What we are

:22:58. > :22:58.expecting today is a focus on the people in the sport who are meant to

:22:59. > :23:03.be overseeing everything and making sure allegations are followed up.

:23:04. > :23:08.How does it make you feel that there are questions being asked about that

:23:09. > :23:12.particular aspect of things? It is a major concern. I think sport and

:23:13. > :23:16.society has a collective responsibility to reduce that number

:23:17. > :23:20.eventually to zero of the three athletes who are tempted to cheat

:23:21. > :23:24.for financial gain. It is important that there are harsh penalties and

:23:25. > :23:28.they make sure they use strong deterrent and better education, not

:23:29. > :23:31.just in this country but across the world, to protect young

:23:32. > :23:36.up-and-coming athletes, clean athletes like myself. The experts at

:23:37. > :23:36.what are best placed to make athletes like myself. The experts at

:23:37. > :23:48.recommendations but I certainly believe that all testing should be

:23:49. > :23:50.carried out by an independent body not at all associated with any

:23:51. > :23:52.sporting governing body like the IAAF because political and

:23:53. > :23:55.commercial interests should not be allowed to implement anti-doping

:23:56. > :23:57.efforts. From what you don't so far, do you feel athletes have been let

:23:58. > :24:01.down by the governing bodies? For athletes like my fab lab been

:24:02. > :24:07.affected directly, like many British athletes have, it is a painful

:24:08. > :24:11.revelation -- athletes like myself. We see this as an opportunity for

:24:12. > :24:16.action to be taken, for better protection to be provided for

:24:17. > :24:19.up-and-coming athletes. We have got so much talent in this country. And

:24:20. > :24:22.for the doping reform agenda to be prioritised in the media. It is

:24:23. > :24:26.important to stay in the present and focus on solutions and this coming

:24:27. > :24:30.to the set this is a positive in that way, let's focus on those

:24:31. > :24:32.positives. Do you have trust going forward? I have concerns, I'm

:24:33. > :24:48.concerned for young people and the real Olympics who may

:24:49. > :24:54.be dissuaded from supporting athlete in my sport. Thank you very much,

:24:55. > :24:56.and good look with reopen the 16. Social work - it's a profession

:24:57. > :24:58.that's renowned for heavy workloads and difficult cases,

:24:59. > :25:00.but it has been under immense scrutiny in recent years with plenty

:25:01. > :25:03.of Government-backed reviews into where the profession

:25:04. > :25:04.is going wrong. Child protection failures have

:25:05. > :25:06.led experts to question whether the right people

:25:07. > :25:09.are doing the job and how We're talking about a series

:25:10. > :25:13.of high profile failures, like the death of eight-year-old

:25:14. > :25:17.Victoria Climbie. In 2000, she starved to death

:25:18. > :25:20.after prolonged abuse at the hands Social workers, police and the NHS

:25:21. > :25:24.all failed to raise the alarm. Baby P - Peter Connelly -

:25:25. > :25:27.died in his home after suffering 50 A series of damning inquiries

:25:28. > :25:35.revealed 60 missed opportunities And chances were missed to help

:25:36. > :25:46.four-year-old Daniel Pelka - he was starved and beaten for months

:25:47. > :25:49.by his mother and her partner before Each case an example

:25:50. > :25:55.of shocking child cruelty. Today, a programme that recruits

:25:56. > :25:57.and develops children's social workers, called Frontline,

:25:58. > :26:01.will be rolled out nationally. That means 1000 new professionals

:26:02. > :26:04.will be available to support some of the most disadvantaged children

:26:05. > :26:06.and families in Britain by 2020. So what does it take

:26:07. > :26:10.to be a social worker? Let's talk now to two of them

:26:11. > :26:15.at different ends of their careers. Raphael Caedenhead,

:26:16. > :26:17.a newly-qualified social worker, and Karen Goodman, a social

:26:18. > :26:19.worker for over 30 years and Professional Officer

:26:20. > :26:28.at the British Association of Social Thank you both for coming in. We

:26:29. > :26:38.were running through some of the headlines there that have fairly or

:26:39. > :26:41.unfairly given social workers a bad name. How do you see it? We have a

:26:42. > :26:44.number of routes the training into social work, it is a wonderful

:26:45. > :26:48.profession but we need to be positive about the work and have a

:26:49. > :26:51.level playing field for training and to be supporting social workers

:26:52. > :26:57.throughout their careers. We need to the social workers retained in their

:26:58. > :27:00.jobs so there is not the high turnover, the experience and

:27:01. > :27:04.majority that we need in the profession is there, maintained and

:27:05. > :27:07.supported. They are very much on the front line, you are very much on the

:27:08. > :27:14.front line in terms of when it comes to the care of children, other

:27:15. > :27:17.agencies are obviously involved, but it is the social workers that have

:27:18. > :27:22.often borne the brunt of criticism. Tell other bit more about the

:27:23. > :27:30.pressures that you have encountered in your 30-year career. Social

:27:31. > :27:31.workers are the lead agency in child protection work but we work with

:27:32. > :27:35.other professionals. The work is challenging and difficult, but to

:27:36. > :27:39.say that the social work training is at the core of the problem is not

:27:40. > :27:42.the case. We have to look at the broader context of the work.

:27:43. > :27:51.Constant criticisms don't how to retain staff. We need a mature, well

:27:52. > :27:56.supported staff where social workers are encouraged to stay and there is

:27:57. > :27:59.not constant criticism, the target culture, the impact of poverty, the

:28:00. > :28:04.reduction of services working together with other agencies, those

:28:05. > :28:07.are sorts of things we have to be addressing at the same time. Why

:28:08. > :28:13.have you gone into it? A very good question. Listening to what you were

:28:14. > :28:17.saying, there is a negative cultural set of presumptions about social

:28:18. > :28:21.work. For me, put simply, I have a passion and desire to work with

:28:22. > :28:28.abominable children and their families, complex and difficult

:28:29. > :28:31.situations -- former rebel children. To give you history about my own

:28:32. > :28:34.context, I did a Ph.D. The three years, I spent a year doing

:28:35. > :28:39.volunteer work and in that period I was volunteering as a Samaritan. It

:28:40. > :28:45.was really by chance that I came to realise about Front line, I'm in the

:28:46. > :28:50.first cohort so there had been nothing similar before that. The

:28:51. > :28:57.attraction of it was the emphasis on direct work with families and

:28:58. > :29:03.therapeutic practice. I applied, I was placed in Harrow, and extremely

:29:04. > :29:07.supportive local authority. I think what the work does is it enables you

:29:08. > :29:11.to see some of the transformative work you can do with families. I

:29:12. > :29:17.think some of the media assumptions can seem negative. It is much harder

:29:18. > :29:22.to see the positive that we are doing. I think front line has

:29:23. > :29:28.provided me with an opportunity to learn and equip myself with some of

:29:29. > :29:34.those therapeutic practices... What are those practices? We work

:29:35. > :29:40.collaboratively with the Institute of family therapy and have experts

:29:41. > :29:46.in motivational interviewing, a way of having conversations with people

:29:47. > :29:49.that elicits change. That is interesting, speaking to other newly

:29:50. > :29:53.qualified social workers, they often say that with their courses there is

:29:54. > :30:01.not so much of an emphasis on practice, whereas from the get go

:30:02. > :30:04.with us we really were role-playing, discussing therapeutic techniques.

:30:05. > :30:08.Is this a change in the way social work is being done? Is this

:30:09. > :30:12.different from how you started out? Some of it is the same, some of it

:30:13. > :30:17.is different. It is important to look at the context of this work. It

:30:18. > :30:23.is very good that Raphael has had this opportunity. We have to make

:30:24. > :30:24.sure that these opportunities are therefore for all such workers who

:30:25. > :30:32.are training. We are training many social workers at the moment, they

:30:33. > :30:34.are coming through, but are the jobs available? Some of them report back

:30:35. > :30:36.that they cannot find work after the training because local authorities

:30:37. > :30:39.are looking for those who have good experience. What we need to make

:30:40. > :30:45.sure is that we are retaining those social workers. How difficult is the

:30:46. > :30:48.work, when it comes down to very difficult judgment calls on whether

:30:49. > :30:56.to take a child out of their family environment or whatever the decision

:30:57. > :30:59.is that is being taken, when cases are under the spotlight in the

:31:00. > :31:02.media, it is easy for people to read the headlines of the story, point

:31:03. > :31:07.the finger and say, it is pretty clear cut, this should have

:31:08. > :31:10.happened, but at the time how difficult is it? Social work has

:31:11. > :31:14.never been easy. All of us have these difficult decisions to make,

:31:15. > :31:19.gathering the information together with other colleagues, not just

:31:20. > :31:21.social workers but police, health colleagues, education colleagues.

:31:22. > :31:25.When you put that before the courts, it is the courts that make the

:31:26. > :31:34.ultimate decisions on the assessment that the expert evidence, but the

:31:35. > :31:36.blame culture as an outcome, the naming and shaming of individual

:31:37. > :31:41.social workers by judges and the media cover, it does not help the

:31:42. > :31:44.situation. Caseload at the moment are extraordinarily high, you have

:31:45. > :31:48.social workers very much in the media today working very long hours,

:31:49. > :31:52.some of the issues need to be addressed as well as a training. As

:31:53. > :31:56.I said, it is about seeing what happens for the professionals after

:31:57. > :32:02.they have been trained. Two to three years into the work is considered at

:32:03. > :32:04.the moment quite experienced. My experience is unique to be in the

:32:05. > :32:07.profession for many, many years before you are considered

:32:08. > :32:09.experienced. We need to look at how we retain staff so they become

:32:10. > :32:18.mature experienced and resilient. How difficult do you anticipate it

:32:19. > :32:24.to be when it comes to the judgment cause, does it worry you? All social

:32:25. > :32:26.workers should feel a sense of responsibility and even slight

:32:27. > :32:32.anxiety when making those very big decisions. I think something I've

:32:33. > :32:36.noticed since I'm just kind of starting out really, it's really

:32:37. > :32:42.easy for blinkered thinking to embed itself in local authorities. Explain

:32:43. > :32:45.a bit more about that? Yes. So with some models of social work practice,

:32:46. > :32:49.you've just got you, the practitioner, the social worker, and

:32:50. > :32:52.you're talking things thug with a more senior colleague and with just

:32:53. > :32:58.the two of you, sometimes it's very easy to kind of, there might be

:32:59. > :33:07.blind spots or thingious don't quite see in the full picture, and you try

:33:08. > :33:12.to do things as a group, so there are less chances that the blind

:33:13. > :33:15.spots won't seen, so that's very helpful in terms of making those

:33:16. > :33:22.decisions. Thauch thank you both very much.

:33:23. > :33:23.Some breaking news on those attacks in the Indonesian capital Jakarta.

:33:24. > :33:29.Seven people killed, including five of the attackers. Police say it's

:33:30. > :33:33.under control. We are hearing the so-called Islamic state-media linked

:33:34. > :33:38.group has revealed IS fighters were behind the attacks in Indonesia this

:33:39. > :33:44.morning. It quoted an unspecified source saying the attack targeted

:33:45. > :33:51.foreign nationals. There is been no official IS statement on the

:33:52. > :33:58.foreign nationals. There is been no ject yet but the group who claims

:33:59. > :34:04.it's IS, they have a reliable track record.

:34:05. > :34:06.The Oscar season is upon us. Eddie Redmayne will be hoping to build on

:34:07. > :34:13.his success after losing out on a Golden Globe in the leading actor

:34:14. > :34:18.category to Hollywood star Leonardo DiCaprio on Sunday. Kate Winslet is

:34:19. > :34:27.a hopeful for her role in Steve Jobs. Let's take a look at some of

:34:28. > :34:31.the main runners for the awards. Is that you? What do you know? ! I'm

:34:32. > :34:52.saying to myself, I know that girl. Great to see you, it's been months.

:34:53. > :34:53.Ted Grey is meeting us and we are going to Phil's party. You are

:34:54. > :34:59.going, aren't you? I planned to get there a little... You two go ahead.

:35:00. > :35:02.Cow coming along? No, I have to make a few calls before dinner anyway. I

:35:03. > :35:08.really should run. Are you sure? Of course.

:35:09. > :35:20.Came up at the last minute. Officers in London. Clients. Scott Lindus,

:35:21. > :35:27.fishing expedition. What kind of fishing trip, Jim? Salmon. Tell me

:35:28. > :35:34.it's a routine business trip and I won't worry. I need my passport.

:35:35. > :35:36.Give me something to hold on to, I don't even care if it's not the

:35:37. > :35:49.truth. I'm doing this for us. What is the matter with you girls

:35:50. > :35:56.now? Nothing is the matter with us, Mrs Keogh. Is this bawl she's found

:35:57. > :36:02.herself a young man? She won't say anything about it. And why should

:36:03. > :36:10.she, to you gossip amongsters. Anyway I met him on Saturday when he

:36:11. > :36:15.called for her and he's very nice. Is he nice looking? Didn't like his

:36:16. > :36:24.shoes much. What on earth is wrong with his shoes? Funny colour. A

:36:25. > :36:30.sermon on giddiness is required, a giddy girl is every bit as evil as a

:36:31. > :36:33.slothful man and the noise she makes is a lot worse. Enough! Here with us

:36:34. > :36:37.now to talk about the nominations, two people who themselves are part

:36:38. > :36:48.of the elite group of Oscar winners. We can talk to Paul Franklin who's

:36:49. > :36:55.won two for visual effects for Inception and Interstellar nominated

:36:56. > :36:57.for dark Knight and James Lucas for best live action short film in 2015,

:36:58. > :37:02.James was co-writer and producer of the film. Thank you both for coming

:37:03. > :37:07.in. I wanted to be able to say I held one, I tried to lift it and was

:37:08. > :37:11.shocked, they're really heavy. Weighs about ten pounds, yes, so

:37:12. > :37:15.it's quite a hefty chunk of metal. So when you get given that, were you

:37:16. > :37:21.surprised at the weight? Absolutely. Yes. But you are so excited, there

:37:22. > :37:24.is so much adrenaline that you could pretty much lift up anything. Before

:37:25. > :37:31.you get that though, the nominations happen. Paul, when you were first

:37:32. > :37:33.nominated, how did you hear about it and what did you think? I think I

:37:34. > :37:38.heard about it from a text message from a friend because back in 2009,

:37:39. > :37:43.you didn't have quite the same feeds on the Internet like today. There

:37:44. > :37:47.wasn't an official notification that you'd been nominated, you get a

:37:48. > :37:50.letter in the post later on so I was trying to find the news and somebody

:37:51. > :37:55.on the stairs said, you've been nominated. How strange to find out

:37:56. > :38:02.that way. Exactly. How did you feel? Elated. Fantastic. Being nominate

:38:03. > :38:04.suicide a recognition that you have achieved a certain standard within

:38:05. > :38:07.what you are doing and it's a great vindication of everything you have

:38:08. > :38:11.done on the film. How did you feel, James, and how did

:38:12. > :38:16.you find out, because there is this glitzy ceremony to announce the

:38:17. > :38:20.nominees? Yes, exactly. I was with my wife and the director and

:38:21. > :38:27.co-writer and there was a phone call. We all congregated to Soho

:38:28. > :38:34.House when it was announced live from LA and yes, they went through

:38:35. > :38:41.the category, the nominees and because it was in alphabetical order

:38:42. > :38:43.ours came last. As they called them out, I was thinking, oh, no, and it

:38:44. > :38:46.felt like it wouldn't happen and after that, there was the phone

:38:47. > :38:51.call. We went absolutely mental. Incredible. Euphoric. Absolutely

:38:52. > :38:56.wonderful. Did it feel like the culmination of some very hard years

:38:57. > :39:00.of hard work? Absolutely. I grew up in small town New Zealand and had

:39:01. > :39:08.always been relatively obsessed by film and that was always the goal,

:39:09. > :39:14.so some years down the line, to become nominated for an Oscar and

:39:15. > :39:19.then to go to the Hallow ground of the Dolby Theatre is wonderful. My

:39:20. > :39:23.dreams come true. Your little independent short movie's obviously

:39:24. > :39:26.had huge critical, as well as popular acclaim, but when you were

:39:27. > :39:34.making it, was the thought of something like this ever on the

:39:35. > :39:38.radar? No, not at all. When we were freezing in a disused office in

:39:39. > :39:41.Enfield where we shot the film, that was the furthest thing away from my

:39:42. > :39:46.mind. The idea was just to make the best film we could possibly make.

:39:47. > :39:52.When is it the word Oscar first starts to pass people's lips in your

:39:53. > :39:57.movie? Somewhere down the line the film started gaining momentum and

:39:58. > :40:04.started to get a buzz about it and we screened the film, got into a

:40:05. > :40:10.little known film festival and we won our category there. That

:40:11. > :40:16.qualified us to begin to to the Oscars. Paul, you've got a sleighly

:40:17. > :40:22.different story in that your recognition is for big budget

:40:23. > :40:27.movies? Yes. I design visual effects for Hollywood blockbusters. So when

:40:28. > :40:30.you are working on those, is there a level of expectation around the time

:40:31. > :40:36.that they'll go on to get this sort of recognition? Not really. I think

:40:37. > :40:37.probably the best way to guarantee that you are not going to win an

:40:38. > :40:41.Oscar is to set out to win one in the first place. I've seen a lot of

:40:42. > :40:46.people try to do that in all aspects of film-making and when we were

:40:47. > :40:51.walking on Interstellar, it's clear the film is going to be spectacular

:40:52. > :40:53.and make a splash in the market place, but film-makers are

:40:54. > :40:57.superstitious and if you start talking about Oscars, you are going

:40:58. > :41:01.to jinx it. It's not going to happen. Famous last words, yes. So

:41:02. > :41:10.what difference has it made for each of you? It allows you to go into

:41:11. > :41:12.meetings with people that wouldn't have given you access before because

:41:13. > :41:16.it's a sort of a recognition that you have achieved a certain status

:41:17. > :41:19.within film-making and that you are capable and professional and you

:41:20. > :41:25.know what you are doing. Then also they... So do you drop it into every

:41:26. > :41:34.conversation or have it at the bottom of every e-mail or text

:41:35. > :41:35.people "by the way... "? No, hopefully the people you are talking

:41:36. > :41:38.to already know that you've got the Oscar and it basically means you

:41:39. > :41:45.don't have to go and prove that you know what you are doing certainly

:41:46. > :41:49.from my area of film making which is technical and it definitely helps

:41:50. > :41:52.but can also work against you sometimes because people assume,

:41:53. > :41:59.he's got the Oscar now, he's going to be so expensive and out of our

:42:00. > :42:00.realm. There is a curse attached sometimes, you have to be careful.

:42:01. > :42:08.What about you, James? It's opened up doors that were firmly closed

:42:09. > :42:12.before I won the Oscar. It legitimizes me as a serious

:42:13. > :42:18.film-maker and... A brilliant start to your film-making career? It

:42:19. > :42:23.really is. To use a boxing analogy, I suppose it's I've gone from being

:42:24. > :42:27.amateur to professional and maybe moved up a few divisions as well

:42:28. > :42:31.alongside it. It's been fantastic and things are really moving now. As

:42:32. > :42:40.winners, do you get to go to the ceremonies from now on? No. No, you

:42:41. > :42:42.winners, do you get to go to the don't. We are both members of the

:42:43. > :42:49.Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts Sciences and you are not guaranteed

:42:50. > :42:53.a place but you get to go sometimes. We get to vote so we are part of the

:42:54. > :43:00.process of judging the films. Where do you both keep them? Not in the

:43:01. > :43:05.downstairs loo? ! We recently moved to a new house and have a place we

:43:06. > :43:08.can display the Oscars in. Before that, they mainly lived in a

:43:09. > :43:15.cardboard box in the attic because there was not anywhere secure I

:43:16. > :43:17.would leave them where I could be sure people wouldn't be fiddling

:43:18. > :43:20.with them. And yours? Mantlepiece, bedroom, sometimes I like to wake up

:43:21. > :43:25.and see it looking down upon me and I like to have him there when I'm

:43:26. > :43:29.writing as well. It keeps my mind on the job, keeps me focussed. Keeps

:43:30. > :43:32.you inspired. Thank you both for bringing those in. The nominations

:43:33. > :43:35.will be revealed in a special programme on the BBC News Channel

:43:36. > :43:39.with Jane Hill and the film critic Jason Solomons at 1. 30. Thank you

:43:40. > :43:44.very much for your company and for all your messages, we are back same

:43:45. > :43:47.time tomorrow, I'll see you from 9. 15 on BBC Two, the BBC News Channel

:43:48. > :43:49.and online. Have a lovely afternoon, thank you for all your comments

:43:50. > :44:06.today. See you tomorrow. Bye. So, no-one pays tax here?

:44:07. > :44:10.No-one pays taxes.