15/01/2016

:00:00. > :00:12.day for primary school admissions in England,

:00:13. > :00:15.head teachers say the system is too confusing and risks

:00:16. > :00:21.Also ahead: They've signed up to donate,

:00:22. > :00:25.New figures reveal hundreds of bereaved relatives have prevented

:00:26. > :00:36.organs from being donated despite the wishes of a loved one.

:00:37. > :00:40.I've been waiting on the organ donor register list for a kidney for seven

:00:41. > :00:42.years now. One small step - Tim Peake gets

:00:43. > :00:45.ready for the first ever space walk Hello, welcome to the programme,

:00:46. > :00:59.we're on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel until

:01:00. > :01:02.11am this morning. Head teachers are warning

:01:03. > :01:04.that the admissions system for primary schools in England risks

:01:05. > :01:10.harming children's education. On the deadline day for admissions,

:01:11. > :01:12.the National Association of Head Teachers says the process

:01:13. > :01:14.for entry is fragmented It's warning new schools are often

:01:15. > :01:20.set up in areas where they aren't needed, while other areas

:01:21. > :01:24.face huge shortages. We'll be debating the issue

:01:25. > :01:27.with our studio audience a little later - but we want

:01:28. > :01:29.to hear from you. If you've struggled to get your

:01:30. > :01:32.child into school then do Texts will be charged

:01:33. > :01:35.at the standard network rate. And, of course, you can watch

:01:36. > :01:37.the programme online wherever you are - via the BBC

:01:38. > :01:44.News app or our website. More than 500 families in the UK

:01:45. > :01:47.have refused to let a loved one donate their organs since 2010,

:01:48. > :01:50.even though their deceased relative NHS Blood and Transplant says it

:01:51. > :01:58.wants to change its approach by no longer formally seeking the consent

:01:59. > :02:01.of these families before organ Currently you have to register to be

:02:02. > :02:06.a donor unless you live in Wales. They are the first UK nation to make

:02:07. > :02:10.every adult a potential organ donor. Their system, known as presumed

:02:11. > :02:12.consent, means that people who do not want to donate

:02:13. > :02:14.their organs will have There are 22 million people

:02:15. > :02:21.on the NHS organ donor register and currently 6,578 people

:02:22. > :02:24.on the transplant waiting list. Joining the register is a legal

:02:25. > :02:27.decision but support from families is needed to fulfil

:02:28. > :02:42.the donor's wish. In 2014/2015 organ donation fell

:02:43. > :02:42.for the first time in 11 years. One of the most common organs

:02:43. > :02:44.needed is the kidney. Let's get more on this

:02:45. > :02:52.with our health correspondent Just explain exactly how it works.

:02:53. > :02:57.If somebody signs up and says they want to donate their organs, they

:02:58. > :03:02.die, the relatives still need to get involved in the process and can

:03:03. > :03:07.block it? Ultimately, when you are on the organ donor register it as a

:03:08. > :03:11.legally binding decision, that is what NHS Blood and Transplant really

:03:12. > :03:15.wants to drive home today and open up as a conversation. But these

:03:16. > :03:20.situations happen when somebody has had a very catastrophic injury or

:03:21. > :03:23.illness, they have -- may have been in a car crash or had a heart

:03:24. > :03:28.attack. You are looking at families having one of the worst days they

:03:29. > :03:34.possibly can. Clearly, when some are very upset and may not know about a

:03:35. > :03:36.decision someone might have made some time ago to go on the organ

:03:37. > :03:40.donor register, they find it out, it can be a shock and if it seems to

:03:41. > :03:43.compound their distress, although there is legal authority to go

:03:44. > :03:46.ahead, nobody wants to make the decision to go ahead with organ

:03:47. > :03:52.donation in the face of refusal by families. What is striking today is

:03:53. > :03:57.that the situation happens in quite a significant number of cases,

:03:58. > :04:00.around 100 families a year refused to support donation in this

:04:01. > :04:05.situation, that has stayed fairly stable in recent years. No NHS blood

:04:06. > :04:09.and transport says it may no longer formally seek the consent of

:04:10. > :04:13.families? -- now NHS Blood and Transplant says? They would

:04:14. > :04:20.underline that they already have consent. They see this as a more

:04:21. > :04:20.honest approach, a way of taking away the

:04:21. > :04:22.honest approach, a way of taking from these families at a very

:04:23. > :04:28.difficult time. Some families might still feel they are very opposed to

:04:29. > :04:31.this, in which case they would possibly be asked to sign a special

:04:32. > :04:36.form explaining why they are refusing in the face of this

:04:37. > :04:39.consent. Looking at the system in Wales which is different, we can

:04:40. > :04:42.perhaps learn lessons from the ultimate system, the presumed

:04:43. > :04:53.consent. The system only came into effect about

:04:54. > :05:12.six weeks ago. Everybody is presumed to be an organ

:05:13. > :05:17.donor in Wales unless they have the doubt. They had to have a big public

:05:18. > :05:19.education campaign. Scotland and Northern Ireland are very

:05:20. > :05:28.interesting looking at what has happened in Wales. The system is

:05:29. > :05:32.under pressure. Every year around 1000 people die because they have

:05:33. > :05:36.not had a transplant. There is a need to get these organs, bringing

:05:37. > :05:44.families along with the staff doing this very vital work.

:05:45. > :05:46.With us now is Sally Johnson, director of organ donation

:05:47. > :05:48.and transplantation at NHS Blood and Transplant.

:05:49. > :05:50.James Hardie is a specialist nurse in organ donation.

:05:51. > :05:52.He works with families through the consent process

:05:53. > :05:53.for Imperial College Hospitals in London.

:05:54. > :05:56.And we can speak to Nicola Pietrzyk and her ten-year-old son Matthew

:05:57. > :06:00.Matthew is on the transplant list awaiting a new kidney.

:06:01. > :06:10.Thank you very much for joining us. Sally, why are the wishes

:06:11. > :06:10.Thank you very much for joining us. deceased being overridden to the

:06:11. > :06:16.Thank you very much for joining us. extent that they are? It is a really

:06:17. > :06:19.tough day for families. It is something that they did not expect

:06:20. > :06:23.on morning that they would have to make this decision, that they would

:06:24. > :06:30.be involved in the death of somebody that they loved. We know that the

:06:31. > :06:35.majority of families are proud to support there are littered' wish.

:06:36. > :06:39.There are a small number of families, about 100 year. It is

:06:40. > :06:44.usually because they did not know that there role to have wanted to be

:06:45. > :06:50.an organ donor. It comes as a complete surprise. On the worst day

:06:51. > :06:54.of your life to discover this is an additional shock is really hard to

:06:55. > :06:59.take in. What they don't always appreciate is that their relative

:07:00. > :07:04.has given legally valid consent to be an organ donor. We want to make

:07:05. > :07:07.that clear to them to try to make them understand that they don't need

:07:08. > :07:14.to make the decision, to take that virgin away from them, make it a bit

:07:15. > :07:17.easier and, really importantly, somebody wants to be an organ donor,

:07:18. > :07:23.we should try to make that happen -- to take that decision away from

:07:24. > :07:29.them. Could a family expressing a view be ignored, because legally the

:07:30. > :07:33.consent is already there? Sensitivities come into play. It

:07:34. > :07:36.consent is already there? that why it is not happening? We are

:07:37. > :07:39.dealing with human beings at a really, really tough time. Of course

:07:40. > :07:45.we are sensitive to how families feel. I need to be able to make sure

:07:46. > :07:50.that people like James and our other specialist nurses have the tools to

:07:51. > :07:55.represent the voice of the donor who wanted to save someone else's life.

:07:56. > :07:58.Why ask the families if it adds to pressure at a very difficult time

:07:59. > :08:04.and they don't have to give consent, why? We need to involve families in

:08:05. > :08:08.the process. We don't know what risk those organs might pose to the

:08:09. > :08:12.recipient. The only way we can really find out some of that

:08:13. > :08:19.information about people's lifestyle, their behaviour, we have

:08:20. > :08:25.to work closely with families to find out whether the organs are safe

:08:26. > :08:29.to use. It happens the other way round, sometimes someone who had not

:08:30. > :08:36.volunteer to have their organs donated, the family would say, we

:08:37. > :08:39.are happy to go ahead? Absolutely. Lots of times, 60% of families

:08:40. > :08:44.donate to organ donation. Some of those will be people on the

:08:45. > :08:48.register, some people who have never discussed it with their family, but

:08:49. > :08:52.the families say, you know, that person was the sort of person who

:08:53. > :08:58.would have wanted to help others, we are happy to support that. James,

:08:59. > :09:03.you are a specialist nurse working with families through the consent

:09:04. > :09:09.process. Talk as too late. You need to be incredibly sensitive in how

:09:10. > :09:17.and when you raise it, and it has to be raised quickly? Yes, as Sally

:09:18. > :09:22.says, people who have become organ donors have suffered from sudden

:09:23. > :09:26.catastrophic illnesses like a heart attack, road traffic accident or

:09:27. > :09:30.brain haemorrhage. Often the request for organ donation is taking place

:09:31. > :09:34.as little as an hour or less after they had been told that their loved

:09:35. > :09:38.one has died or is likely to die. It is a very sensitive conversation

:09:39. > :09:46.that we undertake in collaboration with intensive care colleagues to

:09:47. > :09:47.try to ascertain how we will move forward. Why do people say no when

:09:48. > :09:53.they know the loved one had said yes in life? It is very difficult to

:09:54. > :09:59.fully appreciate and understand those reasons. The timing is very

:10:00. > :10:07.challenging for families. This is not a decision they are being asked

:10:08. > :10:11.to make in a normal state of mind. It is a highly and shoes and

:10:12. > :10:14.stressful time. As Sally said, not knowing what your loved one wanted

:10:15. > :10:19.places an additional pressure on you, which is why we encourage

:10:20. > :10:24.people, if they have signed up for the organ donor register, is to make

:10:25. > :10:28.sure that their relatives are aware. Let's bring in Matthew Ebden Nicola

:10:29. > :10:33.Pietrzyk, Matthew is ten, how long have you been on the transplant

:10:34. > :10:36.Pietrzyk, Matthew is ten, how long waiting for a new kidney? How long

:10:37. > :10:43.has he been waiting, Nicola? Seven and a half years. What has that been

:10:44. > :10:50.like? Torture. You are waiting everyday for a phone call that we

:10:51. > :10:54.feel will probably never come. Matthew, you are having dialysis

:10:55. > :11:00.right now, aren't you? You needed for five hours today? Year, I am

:11:01. > :11:06.having to have it for five hours today. What does that mean for you?

:11:07. > :11:10.You are ten, presumably you want to run around and you have to be

:11:11. > :11:17.conducted to this machine quite a lot of the time? What is it like for

:11:18. > :11:24.you? It is really boring and sad that I can't play out with my

:11:25. > :11:36.friends on my street after school. But, like... Unfortunately we have

:11:37. > :11:40.lost the sound with Matthew and Nicola, we will try to fix the

:11:41. > :11:46.technical issues and go back to them as soon as we can. An example of

:11:47. > :11:50.people who are waiting and knowing at any moment they might get that

:11:51. > :12:01.call and then had to spring into action. Examples like that are

:12:02. > :12:05.poignant. It is such a personal decision deciding whether to opt in

:12:06. > :12:13.or out and what happens with relatives? Wales has this different

:12:14. > :12:29.system, what do you figure is the best system? At day -- we are

:12:30. > :12:34.watching closely, doing our best. It took Wales several years to bring in

:12:35. > :12:37.the new system but it can't immediately... Legislation can't

:12:38. > :12:43.immediately solve the problem. People like Matthew needs an organ

:12:44. > :12:49.today, he can't wait. We need everybody to think about being a

:12:50. > :12:55.donor, record their wishes and talk to the family. I mentioned how it

:12:56. > :13:02.can work the other way around... Oh, I think we have them back. Join in,

:13:03. > :13:14.Nicola? I appreciate that bringing legislation and will not change

:13:15. > :13:20.things, but I think we need to change opinions so bad for the

:13:21. > :13:34.future we do not have this problem, and we are in a situation... SOUND

:13:35. > :13:36.FAILED. We have intermittent issues. We are talking about sometimes

:13:37. > :13:41.relatives deciding after a loved one We are talking about sometimes

:13:42. > :13:46.has died that their organs should not be donated -- should be donated,

:13:47. > :13:51.even if they had not given consent. You could argue that that is

:13:52. > :13:55.overwriting file wishes because maybe they did not consent because

:13:56. > :14:00.they did not want to. How engaged people with organ donation? People

:14:01. > :14:06.are getting more in caged and programmes like this help to spread

:14:07. > :14:09.the message. -- more engaged. The more we talk about it, the more

:14:10. > :14:13.likely it is that everyone has made a decision. At the end of the day,

:14:14. > :14:19.you can join the organ donor register to say you wish to be a

:14:20. > :14:21.donor, you can record an absolute refusal if that is what you want,

:14:22. > :14:26.but if you refusal if that is what you want,

:14:27. > :14:30.would say remember you are more likely to need an organ and be in a

:14:31. > :14:34.position to be able to give one, so we desperately need everybody to

:14:35. > :14:39.think about saying yes. It is perfectly easy to make your decision

:14:40. > :14:44.known. If you don't want to go online, you can do it via our call

:14:45. > :14:55.centre, or you can legally consent or refuse your consent by talking to

:14:56. > :14:57.your family. James, what difference does it make after somebody has died

:14:58. > :15:01.if they are an organ donor, in terms of how long a body has to be held?

:15:02. > :15:06.There are practical issues coming into play which is possibly one of

:15:07. > :15:10.the things that is off-putting when people are dealing with death? There

:15:11. > :15:15.is never any suffering by that person as a consequence of their

:15:16. > :15:23.decision to become an organ donor. I think the positives that come from

:15:24. > :15:26.that to the donor Bliss family are enormous. Annually we have a

:15:27. > :15:34.ceremony by the order of St John to recognise the amazing gift that a

:15:35. > :15:34.make, which brings the family of the donor great comfort to know that

:15:35. > :15:36.their loved one died and did something incredible, saving and

:15:37. > :15:44.changing the lives of others. Would they ever meet in person that the

:15:45. > :15:46.organs were donated to? Orchid Asian listed in the greatest

:15:47. > :15:50.confidentiality, but often the recipient at the donor will wish to

:15:51. > :15:58.send letters to each other -- organ donation is. They come to the

:15:59. > :16:03.specialist nurses, we ensure that confidentiality is maintained. Just

:16:04. > :16:07.going back to the process, what difference does it make up this be

:16:08. > :16:13.has died, if organs will be donated in terms of what happens to the

:16:14. > :16:20.body, and does it have any impact on time frames that happen after death?

:16:21. > :16:28.People are often concerned that it might delay a funeral. Once somebody

:16:29. > :16:33.has died and organ donation has been agreed as the way forward, we call

:16:34. > :16:39.in a retrieval team. They will retrieve the organs just like any

:16:40. > :16:45.other operation, really. Then our specialist nurses perform last

:16:46. > :16:49.officers, make sure that the body is cared for and is ready to be seen by

:16:50. > :16:58.the families when it is returned to them, if that is what they want. One

:16:59. > :17:00.person says families have no right to block the donation, they would

:17:01. > :17:06.not block their inheritance, would they? Another person says, families

:17:07. > :17:14.should not be able to veto what position and adult made. -- what

:17:15. > :17:22.decision an adult mode. Another person says, the rest of the UK

:17:23. > :17:25.needs to follow Wales in terms of consent, she says she has cystic

:17:26. > :17:35.fibrosis and she needs help to lead a normal life. Another person says

:17:36. > :17:39.it is the same as contesting a will. We can go back to Nicola and

:17:40. > :17:43.Matthew. We have had trouble talking to you, I don't know if you have

:17:44. > :17:45.been able to hear much of the discussion, but you said that you

:17:46. > :17:52.would like everywhere to follow the example of Wales with a system where

:17:53. > :17:58.people have got to opt out. What about the impact on a family like

:17:59. > :18:05.yours if someone... If an organ donation comes through? What people

:18:06. > :18:11.don't realise, Matthew Elliott asked in use has relied on a machine every

:18:12. > :18:16.single day -- Matthew has relied. He has relied on a machine to keep him

:18:17. > :18:22.alive every single day. Such a shame, we are having technical

:18:23. > :18:27.difficulties, so frustrating. Nicola donated one of her own kidneys to

:18:28. > :18:29.Matthew, but it did not work, unfortunately, so they are still

:18:30. > :18:39.waiting and hoping that they will get the call one day. Thanks for

:18:40. > :18:41.joining us. Please keep your thoughts coming in. Still to come,

:18:42. > :18:47.if you eat a bar of chocolate, how long do you need to exercise to burn

:18:48. > :18:48.off the calories? We look at new food labels which will tell you

:18:49. > :18:51.exactly that. And as the deadline runs out

:18:52. > :18:53.for primary school applications, we discuss the pressure put

:18:54. > :18:57.on parents and schools to get children into their

:18:58. > :19:10.preferred school. BT has been given final approval to

:19:11. > :19:13.take over the mobile phone operator EE, in an estimated deal worth ?12.5

:19:14. > :19:16.billion. Head teachers demand action to ease

:19:17. > :19:18.the pressure on school places in England - on the deadline day

:19:19. > :19:23.for primary school admissions. Three arrests over the Indonesia gun

:19:24. > :19:24.and bomb attacks that killed two people - so-called Islamic State

:19:25. > :19:28.says it was behind it. Here in the UK - the NHS

:19:29. > :19:31.changes its policy on organ donation to cut the numbers of bereaved

:19:32. > :19:34.families blocking the use of organs from people who'd given

:19:35. > :19:43.their consent to the procedure. Matthew has been waiting now seven

:19:44. > :19:45.and a half years, you are waiting every day for a phone call that we

:19:46. > :19:49.feel probably will never come. Anglican leaders signal

:19:50. > :19:52.their continued opposition to gay marriage by imposing sanctions

:19:53. > :19:54.against the US Episcopal Church, Major Tim Peake prepares

:19:55. > :20:03.for the walk of his life. He'll undertake an historic six hour

:20:04. > :20:07.space walk starting at lunchtime. Let's catch up with all the sport

:20:08. > :20:10.now and join Ore Oduba. How are England's cricketers getting

:20:11. > :20:26.on in South Africa this morning? They are doing a bit better, South

:20:27. > :20:32.Africa are now all out, 313, but the hosts have added 83 runs for the

:20:33. > :20:36.last three wickets, and so England would have hoped to have got them

:20:37. > :20:41.out for a little bit less than that. England are now trying to get back

:20:42. > :20:47.to par in that Test match. England are leading 1-0 in the four match

:20:48. > :20:49.series. We are going to be talking tennis, the draw has been made for

:20:50. > :20:54.the first grand slam of the tennis, the draw has been made for

:20:55. > :21:01.the Australian open, Andy Murray will begin against the aid senior

:21:02. > :21:07.German, Alexander Spero -- 18-year-old German. Andy Murray has

:21:08. > :21:11.made the final four times in Melbourne, but lost them all, so he

:21:12. > :21:18.is hoping for fifth time lucky. Johanna Konta has been given a tough

:21:19. > :21:21.tour against Venus Williams, the eighth St, so that is a very tricky

:21:22. > :21:28.start for her. The tournament begins on Monday morning -- the eighth

:21:29. > :21:32.seed. Ronnie O'Sullivan and Ross Hawkins are into the semifinals of

:21:33. > :21:39.the Masters in the snooker. Thanks for joining us. The Health Secretary

:21:40. > :21:42.now has been speaking. The Health Secretary says he cannot

:21:43. > :21:45.give an "absolutely guarantee" all accident and emergency

:21:46. > :21:47.departments will remain open when doctors go on strike

:21:48. > :21:49.again next month. Jeremy Hunt says the government

:21:50. > :21:51.was "busting a gut" and "hoped" Talks with the BMA at ACAS

:21:52. > :21:55.will continue today., and he hopes it would not be

:21:56. > :22:05.necessary to impose a new contract He has been talking after the

:22:06. > :22:08.strike. Yes, you might remember there were plenty of medics who

:22:09. > :22:12.thought Jeremy Hunt was not as visible as he might have been in

:22:13. > :22:16.recent days, not doing as many interviews as they would have hoped,

:22:17. > :22:21.but he was everywhere this morning. He has a good manner for this, he

:22:22. > :22:31.has the air of not a brutal minister, but more of a disappointed

:22:32. > :22:31.father, who is sure you will come round

:22:32. > :22:36.father, who is sure you will come that he will get his way. And that

:22:37. > :22:40.will be emergency care, because the difference if the next strike goes

:22:41. > :22:45.ahead, that will be withdrawn by junior doctors, as well. Very

:22:46. > :22:50.gently, in that way of his, he is pointing out that it is still

:22:51. > :22:53.possible that in some places in England, accident and emergency

:22:54. > :22:55.services might have too close for the day, and this is what he told me

:22:56. > :23:03.earlier. We hope that every A department

:23:04. > :23:03.will be able to open. At the moment the signs

:23:04. > :23:06.are that they probably will. We are going through an exhaustive

:23:07. > :23:08.process to check what is going It's obviously a very big deal

:23:09. > :23:13.if junior doctors are not providing But we are working very hard

:23:14. > :23:22.and also talking with the BMA to try to do what we can to make

:23:23. > :23:25.sure that patients are kept safe Right now that is a hope

:23:26. > :23:29.and not a guarantee? It is a hope and not a guarantee

:23:30. > :23:33.but I think we will be able to say in the next week whether we are

:23:34. > :23:36.confident we can deliver that. Finally, again, to check my

:23:37. > :23:39.understanding of your words, you seem to suggest there

:23:40. > :23:41.is room for negotiation, The talks at ACAS today

:23:42. > :23:50.are going on and you are not saying "We are adamant we are not moving

:23:51. > :23:53.an inch", there is the possibility that there could be concessions

:23:54. > :23:56.on your side and some sort of deal? We are absolutely prepared

:23:57. > :23:58.to negotiate and both sides have We have to stick within the cost

:23:59. > :24:05.envelope that we have. In the end both sides want to do

:24:06. > :24:09.the same thing which is to be able to promise NHS patients

:24:10. > :24:11.they will get the same high-quality care seven days a week and I think

:24:12. > :24:14.that's what doctors want and it is what I want

:24:15. > :24:17.as the Health Secretary. We should be able to find a deal

:24:18. > :24:25.which is why these strikes The indications are, although no one

:24:26. > :24:29.tells you exactly what is going on in the room, it is the issue of

:24:30. > :24:38.anti-social hours, how much is classed as anti-social witch doctors

:24:39. > :24:43.can claim extra pay for, that is the crux of the dispute -- which

:24:44. > :24:49.doctors. And there is the tension, of course, but there is the broader

:24:50. > :24:55.conversation, trying to win the public sympathy. There was an aide

:24:56. > :24:59.there, for Jeremy Hunt, ready to take a film Jeremy Hunt, which could

:25:00. > :25:03.be tweeted so the Department of Health could get their message out,

:25:04. > :25:05.they are taking that side of this dispute very seriously indeed.

:25:06. > :25:08.Thanks for joining us. Coming up: Making history in space -

:25:09. > :25:10.British astronaut Tim Peake prepares to step outside the

:25:11. > :25:12.International Space Station. Food labelling needs to change

:25:13. > :25:20.so people can see how much exercise they would need to do

:25:21. > :25:23.to burn off the calories - that's according to a leading

:25:24. > :25:28.public health charity. The Royal Society

:25:29. > :25:31.for Public Health - the RSPH - said "activity

:25:32. > :25:35.equivalent" calorie labelling should be put on the front of food

:25:36. > :25:38.and drink packs, with pictures showing the exercise needed

:25:39. > :25:40.to match the calorie intake. They've released a poll, too,

:25:41. > :25:43.which found that more than 60% of the 2000 people they asked

:25:44. > :25:48.would back the change. We can speak now to Shirley Cramer,

:25:49. > :25:51.the chief executive of the RSPH and Dr Sally Norton,

:25:52. > :26:04.a UK Leading Health Expert and NHS Widely think this would be a good

:26:05. > :26:08.idea? -- why do you think. We think this is a good idea, because we have

:26:09. > :26:12.a problem with obesity and overweight, 60% of the adult

:26:13. > :26:18.population are overweight or obese and that is climbing. We need to

:26:19. > :26:20.think of a number of ways where we and that is climbing. We need to

:26:21. > :26:24.can provide better information for people about the food they are

:26:25. > :26:29.eating, we know that people do use the front of pack traffic light

:26:30. > :26:33.labelling, but half of the people are also confused about that. We

:26:34. > :26:39.were looking for something which might make it much simpler, clear

:26:40. > :26:42.and very quick to get the information, so that you can make a

:26:43. > :26:50.good decision about the food you are buying. What would it look like on a

:26:51. > :26:54.pack? We have done some examples which are pictorial, because you

:26:55. > :27:00.merit things and many words are difficult to read quickly. --

:27:01. > :27:04.numeric. There is a picture of someone walking or running or

:27:05. > :27:08.swimming or cycling and the number of calories next to that, so you can

:27:09. > :27:14.see that if you have a packet of crisps that is 170 calories and that

:27:15. > :27:22.will take you 30 minutes of walking to burn off those calories. Doctor

:27:23. > :27:26.Norton, is it a simple equation, to make when you are working out, what

:27:27. > :27:31.you need to do to burn off a certain amount of calories? We are in danger

:27:32. > :27:35.of being overly simplistic, but it is right that we need to be

:27:36. > :27:37.promoting the message that we need to eat and move more to counteract

:27:38. > :27:45.the amount of food and drink to eat and move more to counteract

:27:46. > :27:48.taking in, but we are in danger of oversimplifying it and giving the

:27:49. > :27:53.wrong message, that all calories are created equal, and they are. If it

:27:54. > :27:57.takes you 20 minutes to run off the calories of a can of Coke, that has

:27:58. > :28:01.got nine teaspoons of sugar in it and know nutritional value, you

:28:02. > :28:06.could be having something more nutritious, vitamins, proteins, in

:28:07. > :28:09.that, as well, and so it is important that we don't think we can

:28:10. > :28:17.eat whatever we like as long as we run it off later. Do you think that

:28:18. > :28:20.this labelling would be a good idea? It is right that people are confused

:28:21. > :28:24.with food labelling, there is so much information, and I have trouble

:28:25. > :28:29.reading it half the time. You are looking for things like the number

:28:30. > :28:32.portions which are contained in that serving which is often very

:28:33. > :28:35.difficult to find, and so we do need something which is very quick

:28:36. > :28:40.because people often scan labels and we need a clear message that this is

:28:41. > :28:44.something which is quite high in calories and might not be good for

:28:45. > :28:50.you. What do you say to that, surely? There is a drive at the

:28:51. > :28:59.moment to look at the way that food is labelled and simple fire, but is

:29:00. > :29:05.this an over simple -- simplified, but is this an over simplification?

:29:06. > :29:11.We are hoping that the government will do something very substantial

:29:12. > :29:16.about sugar in childhood obesity strategies, but for most people are

:29:17. > :29:22.it is quite confusing, there's a lot to read. We want parents and others

:29:23. > :29:27.to be able to make choices based on the evidence, and if you are an

:29:28. > :29:36.adult woman you need around 2000 calories a day and a man needs

:29:37. > :29:40.around 2500 calories. Just understanding having two packets of

:29:41. > :29:44.crisps... We have some breaking news, Lord Janner's child abuse case

:29:45. > :29:50.has been formally dropped in the light of the death of the

:29:51. > :29:55.87-year-old. The seedings were left in limbo following the announcement

:29:56. > :29:57.that he died, but this morning the prosecutor told the trial judge that

:29:58. > :30:03.the Crown would not go ahead with the planned trial -- the proceedings

:30:04. > :30:07.were left in limbo. The trial was due to happen at the Old Bailey in

:30:08. > :30:11.April. Lord Janner was charged with sexual offences dating back to the

:30:12. > :30:16.1960s against nine alleged victims who were mostly under 16 at the

:30:17. > :30:21.time. He had been declared unfit to stand trial, due to irreversible

:30:22. > :30:25.dementia, and you might remember the controversy over the decision not to

:30:26. > :30:32.charging by the Crown Prosecution Service because of his health. It

:30:33. > :30:36.led to a review and a decision was taken that there should be a trial

:30:37. > :30:41.of the facts, and that would have meant that effectively a trial going

:30:42. > :30:44.ahead but without him participating meant that effectively a trial going

:30:45. > :30:48.and that was due to happen in April. He died at the age of 87 and that

:30:49. > :30:53.was being looked at, but now it will not go ahead. We can speak to our

:30:54. > :30:58.home affairs correspondent, who is outside the Old Bailey. Is this a

:30:59. > :31:03.surprise, that the trial will now not go ahead?

:31:04. > :31:11.Not really. The court was told by Richard Whitton QC, representing the

:31:12. > :31:16.Crown Prosecution Service, that ordinarily death brought criminal

:31:17. > :31:20.prosecutions to an end because there was no longer any one to convict or

:31:21. > :31:26.acquit. He said there was speculation after Lord Janner Bliss

:31:27. > :31:30.death that that might be different, for this process known as a trial of

:31:31. > :31:36.the facts. But the court heard that was not the case, there is no

:31:37. > :31:41.provision in law for posthumous proceedings, even if a defendant was

:31:42. > :31:47.found unfit to stand trial, as was the case for Lord Janner. After a

:31:48. > :31:50.hearing which lasted no more than 12 minutes, the court was told that it

:31:51. > :31:56.had a certified copy of Lord Janner Bliss death certificate, the judge,

:31:57. > :32:00.Mr Justice Openshaw, said that criminal proceedings against Lord

:32:01. > :32:05.Janner were entered by his death and the file would be marked, the

:32:06. > :32:10.defendant is deceased. -- were ended by his death. Throughout, Lord

:32:11. > :32:14.Janner insisted he was innocent of any of the allegations he was

:32:15. > :32:21.accused of, and his family has also said throughout that he is innocent.

:32:22. > :32:23.A lot of pressure was brought to bear after the Crown Prosecution

:32:24. > :32:28.Service initially decided that a trial could not go ahead because of

:32:29. > :32:32.the State of his health. This was something that the alleged victims

:32:33. > :32:41.had wanted to see. It is too early for any reaction, but what might you

:32:42. > :32:47.expect to hear on that front? This is now the end of the criminal

:32:48. > :32:52.process. The allegations against Lord Janner will also be considered

:32:53. > :33:01.as part of the God art public inquiry into historical child sex

:33:02. > :33:07.abuse. -- the Fed inquiry. That is an inquiry, not the same as criminal

:33:08. > :33:15.proceedings. This does not prevent any of the alleged victims from

:33:16. > :33:21.pursuing civil proceedings, that is claims against Lord Janner pars

:33:22. > :33:25.estate. Thank you. That's quickly returned to the

:33:26. > :33:32.conversation on food labelling. I interrupted you, Sally Norton. We

:33:33. > :33:34.interrupted to go to the Old Bailey. Just to summarise what you were

:33:35. > :33:39.saying about food labelling and the best way forward, there are so many

:33:40. > :33:43.suggestions about what is the best thing. Should everybody be working

:33:44. > :33:50.together to come up with the ideal label? That would be a good idea.

:33:51. > :33:53.These are voluntary food labels. We heard from the food and drink

:33:54. > :34:00.Federation when they saw the policy paper on the labelling and they were

:34:01. > :34:02.very supportive and encouraging. I think if the food industry

:34:03. > :34:06.understand the importance of labelling in having the right

:34:07. > :34:13.information, and appropriate information, to families, we are

:34:14. > :34:17.hopeful we can work together and get the right information out. What

:34:18. > :34:22.would an ideal label look like for you, Sally? It has to be clear and

:34:23. > :34:26.easy to read at a glance, people don't spend more than a few seconds

:34:27. > :34:32.reading it. We have to be careful that manufactures -- manufacturers

:34:33. > :34:37.are not using false labelling, calling things natural, organic,

:34:38. > :34:44.farm fresh and these different terms that make people think they are

:34:45. > :34:48.healthy. People are more likely to buy them and eat more of them, maybe

:34:49. > :34:53.even pay more for them. There are lots of aspect is in terms of food

:34:54. > :34:55.labelling packaging. Thank you both very much. Let us know what you

:34:56. > :34:56.think. Still to come today: David Bowie's

:34:57. > :34:59.music is expected to top the UK His album Blackstar is on course

:35:00. > :35:06.for the number one spot, We'll reflect on the reaction

:35:07. > :35:07.to his death this week. They've been dubbed the bad grandpas

:35:08. > :35:09.- the elderly gang responsible for the ?14 million Hatton Garden

:35:10. > :35:12.raid are facing jail after the final It took them two nights over Easter

:35:13. > :35:20.weekend last year to breach a vault in London and make away with cash,

:35:21. > :35:26.gold, diamonds and other jewellery. It was the work of a group of men

:35:27. > :35:30.in their 60s and 70s who plotted They were caught after secret

:35:31. > :35:34.recording devices planted in their cars captured them boasting

:35:35. > :35:36.about being involved in the biggest It's emerged police are looking

:35:37. > :35:43.for a mystery eighth suspect amid fears he may of fled overseas

:35:44. > :35:48.with ?10 million in loot. Our correspondent

:35:49. > :36:03.Daniela Relph explains. Hardly the usual suspect, a combined

:36:04. > :36:07.age of 278. When others would be enjoying retirement, these four men

:36:08. > :36:11.were plotting a daring heist. Brian Reader was the one the other is

:36:12. > :36:19.called the master. The oldest, even used a free bus pass to get Hatton

:36:20. > :36:24.Garden. CCTV placed the scene disguised as a workman. He came with

:36:25. > :36:28.experience. Brian Reader appeared in the dark handcuffs to buying clothes

:36:29. > :36:36.police officers. Decades earlier, the notorious ?26 million robbery

:36:37. > :36:39.from a warehouse at Heathrow. In his mid-40s then, he was sentenced to

:36:40. > :36:47.eight years in jail for handling stolen gold bullion. Terry Perkins

:36:48. > :36:53.celebrated his 67th birthday during the burglary. Here he is, pushing a

:36:54. > :36:58.wheelie bin of stolen jewels. A diabetic, he brought his medication

:36:59. > :37:04.in, he said that without it he would have been taken out in a bin. He had

:37:05. > :37:08.a criminal past, sentenced to 22 years for his part in the ?6 million

:37:09. > :37:12.raid on the Security Express headquarters in London. The

:37:13. > :37:17.detective who helped convict him as astonished at his latest crime. I

:37:18. > :37:21.was absolutely flabbergasted. I would have thought he would have

:37:22. > :37:27.learned a lesson and retired and got on with his property letting.

:37:28. > :37:33.Obviously he decided to have one more go for his pension. 74-year-old

:37:34. > :37:37.Kenny Collins was the lookout on the night of the burglary. Although some

:37:38. > :37:40.of the group claimed he fell asleep during the coach at ease. He was

:37:41. > :37:46.filmed the morning after walking away from the scene, smartly

:37:47. > :37:48.dressed, briefcase in hand. He had helped plan the heist and the

:37:49. > :37:54.aftermath and often brought helped plan the heist and the

:37:55. > :37:58.Dempsey with him. Danny Jones was described in court as the eccentric,

:37:59. > :38:05.a Walter Mitty character who liked to wear a fez and his mother's

:38:06. > :38:10.dressing gown to bed. He admitted that he had hidden some of the

:38:11. > :38:15.jewellery under family memorial stones at a north London cemetery.

:38:16. > :38:21.The police found far more than he revealed. He was the youngest of

:38:22. > :38:26.four at 60, here on a walkie-talkie appearing to coordinate events. He

:38:27. > :38:30.had a history of burglary. The raid as Hatton Garden over the Easter

:38:31. > :38:35.weekend was bowled but flawed. What would make a group of pensioners,

:38:36. > :38:42.even with their criminal past, take such an enormous risk? This kind of

:38:43. > :38:49.criminal enterprise makes them feel alive, takes them out of the

:38:50. > :38:51.banality, the ordinariness of their everyday lives. It is the dream

:38:52. > :38:56.aspirational job that everybody in this kind of world, that kind of

:38:57. > :39:01.underworld, dreams about. Even at their rage, they couldn't resist.

:39:02. > :39:08.But their final crime was too ambitious. They were too naive. This

:39:09. > :39:09.group of unusual suspects now face spending their twilight years in

:39:10. > :39:12.jail. Taxi driver Jon Harbinson

:39:13. > :39:14.was cleared of his alleged role He was asked to look after three

:39:15. > :39:18.bags at his home by his uncle William Lincoln, who was convicted

:39:19. > :39:21.yesterday, having been told they did not contain

:39:22. > :39:30.anything important. Thank you very much for joining us.

:39:31. > :39:33.It has been a court case that has captured the public imagination

:39:34. > :39:38.echoes of the ages of the defendants as much as anything? Indeed,

:39:39. > :39:45.absolutely, everyone has talked about it. That is why you have me

:39:46. > :39:49.here, I suppose. Your client was cleared of involvement in what

:39:50. > :39:54.happened. What were the allegations against him? They allege that he was

:39:55. > :39:59.a driver and he stored some of the loot. Luckily, you was innocent, it

:40:00. > :40:07.was nothing to do with me. He was falsely accused. His uncle was one

:40:08. > :40:12.of those convicted? Yes, his uncle, Billy Lincoln, Billy the Fish, as he

:40:13. > :40:19.was called in court, was convicted of both charges, hiding the loot and

:40:20. > :40:23.his part in the burglary. An interesting case to be involved

:40:24. > :40:31.with, extraordinary, talk us through... You were seeing it at

:40:32. > :40:42.close quarters. Quite an audacious crime. They went in over the Easter

:40:43. > :40:43.weekend, having taken on a faulty piece of equipment, a hydraulic

:40:44. > :40:48.pump, which was used to push away the Cabinet once they drilled into

:40:49. > :40:52.the vault, once it broke, they had to go away, waited a day, went to a

:40:53. > :40:59.DIY shop, bought a replacement pump and went back two nights later. It

:41:00. > :41:07.takes courage, whatever else you think of these people. If you wanted

:41:08. > :41:10.to be flippant you could almost say it is like a script out of a

:41:11. > :41:15.Hollywood movie because of the way that the various defendants have

:41:16. > :41:20.been characterised, their age and their characters? Indeed, we British

:41:21. > :41:25.quite like our heist. There was no violence involved, no one was

:41:26. > :41:33.surprised or scared by it, they went in and they went out overnight and

:41:34. > :41:36.got away with ?14 million worth of jewellery, at least initially.

:41:37. > :41:40.Unlike perhaps the great train robbery, which captured our

:41:41. > :41:43.imaginations 40 or 50 years ago, where we sometimes forget that the

:41:44. > :41:51.train driver was quite badly injured in that particular heist, this one

:41:52. > :41:55.we can be forgiven for having some grudging admiration for it. Thank

:41:56. > :41:57.you very much, barrister Philip Sinclair.

:41:58. > :42:00.Still to come: Do get in touch with us this morning if you've

:42:01. > :42:03.struggled to get your children into the school you want them

:42:04. > :42:08.We'll be discussing the pressure on places just after ten o'clock.

:42:09. > :42:14.Let's get the latest weather update with Matt.

:42:15. > :42:21.What is the latest? I thought before we looked at the UK whether we would

:42:22. > :42:26.step further out across the Atlantic. On Tuesday we would

:42:27. > :42:31.talking about the earliest Pacific hurricane in a good few years. We

:42:32. > :42:37.can match that, the Atlantic has got in on the game. Up to the top right

:42:38. > :42:42.of the charts, the Azores, circled here is hurricane Alex, the first

:42:43. > :42:47.Atlantic hurricane in January since 1938. Almost a record rate cut,

:42:48. > :42:51.phenomenal for this time of year. Usually you would need C

:42:52. > :42:55.temperatures of around 27 degrees, but at the moment there is unusually

:42:56. > :43:01.cold air lying above pretty cold waters. That has injuries this

:43:02. > :43:06.hurricane. What does it mean, you can predict too Farah head, so will

:43:07. > :43:11.hurricane can -- hurricane season continue all the way through? It

:43:12. > :43:15.does not start until the summer officially, but we will keep a close

:43:16. > :43:21.eye on it. Keeping a close eye on the Azores, it will not affect us

:43:22. > :43:26.directly, it will push off towards Greenland, but it may have an

:43:27. > :43:28.influence on the weather next week, as I will show you.

:43:29. > :43:33.At the moment, some pretty cold there across the UK. Much quieter

:43:34. > :43:38.than an Atlantic hurricane. Snow again through the night and frosty

:43:39. > :43:43.conditions this morning. This is the scene earlier on in the Highlands,

:43:44. > :43:46.snow on the ground, temperatures dropping to -6 overnight. Wintry

:43:47. > :43:51.flurries across Scotland at the moment are pushing southwards, rain

:43:52. > :43:56.and sleet around the coast, sleet and snow inland commerce and

:43:57. > :44:00.developing into Northern Ireland. If you are in Wales and south-west

:44:01. > :44:05.England. But a dry, crisp and sunny day for most. Still a bite in the

:44:06. > :44:12.breeze, taking it feel colder than temperatures would suggest. Dropping

:44:13. > :44:14.snow here and there, covering across parts of Scotland. Looking dry and

:44:15. > :44:18.brighter into the afternoon. More down across Northern Ireland for a

:44:19. > :44:22.time. We will start to see the showers run back into north-west

:44:23. > :44:26.England and North Wales once again. For the end of the afternoon, there

:44:27. > :44:33.could be snow over the hills. Some of the showers across South Wales,

:44:34. > :44:40.it should be dry and sunny for most do the afternoon, though, that

:44:41. > :44:41.feeling chilly. A very cold night tonight, temperatures set to drop

:44:42. > :44:46.further than last night. The breeze is quite noticeable demi- eastern

:44:47. > :44:49.coast of England. Clear skies for the West, mist and fog in Northern

:44:50. > :44:58.Ireland. Even in the towns and city centres, temperatures generally

:44:59. > :45:05.around freezing, if not below. -7 in Wales, -8 in parts of England, -10

:45:06. > :45:09.in Scotland. Some wintry flurries in the eastern coastal counties of

:45:10. > :45:13.England, still a strong notable in East Anglia. Make the most of the

:45:14. > :45:17.morning Scott -- sunshine in Northern Ireland and western

:45:18. > :45:21.Scotland. A bit of a spoiler on the way, more cloud through the

:45:22. > :45:27.afternoon, and by the end of the day and into the evening because the

:45:28. > :45:29.outbreaks of rain, sleet and hill snow. The main risk of snow is

:45:30. > :45:33.across parts of western Scotland, away from that we finish Saturday on

:45:34. > :45:38.a dry, crisp and frosty note. With cloud pushing into the West, eastern

:45:39. > :45:41.areas are where we are likely to see the frosty as conditions but also

:45:42. > :45:45.the best of the Sunday sunshine across southern and eastern areas.

:45:46. > :45:48.More cloud for the north and west, a grey day in Northern Ireland,

:45:49. > :45:55.Scotland and northern England especially raw, rain, sleet and snow

:45:56. > :46:01.at times. Into next week, cold and warm our battling it out either side

:46:02. > :46:02.of the UK. Which one winds? That is open to uncertainty, but there is

:46:03. > :46:11.the chance of Hello it's Friday, it's 10am,

:46:12. > :46:14.I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria Welcome to the programme

:46:15. > :46:17.if you've just joined us. The child sex abuse case

:46:18. > :46:25.against Lord Janner Starting school should

:46:26. > :46:38.be an exciting time - but for many families,

:46:39. > :46:40.over-subscribed schools and shrinking catchment

:46:41. > :46:42.areas make the whole We'll ask why there's such

:46:43. > :46:46.a pressure on places. It's the final countdown

:46:47. > :46:48.for Tim Peake - as he prepares to become the first astronaut

:46:49. > :46:50.representing Britain And David Bowie's latest album

:46:51. > :46:55.is set to rise to the top of the charts - along with the rest

:46:56. > :46:58.of his greatest hits. We'll look back at the reaction

:46:59. > :47:01.to his death this week. The child sex abuse case

:47:02. > :47:10.against the late Lord Janner It's because of the 87

:47:11. > :47:21.year-old's death last month. Our home affairs correspondent is

:47:22. > :47:29.outside the Old Bailey. The hearing lasted around 12 minutes and there

:47:30. > :47:34.was a statement from the prosecutor representing the Crown Prosecution

:47:35. > :47:39.Service, and the judge who was appearing in the court by video

:47:40. > :47:45.link, you said criminal proceedings against Lord Janner were ended by

:47:46. > :47:53.his death -- he said. The file would be Mark that the defendant is now

:47:54. > :47:57.deceased -- would be marked. Before his death a judge ruled he was unfit

:47:58. > :48:04.to stand trial, that he was not fit to plead. He faced 22 allegations of

:48:05. > :48:09.sexual offences against nine alleged victims, and his family has always

:48:10. > :48:21.insisted that he was innocent. Instead of a trial, there was what

:48:22. > :48:26.-- was going to be what is known as a trial of facts, where he would not

:48:27. > :48:30.be present at court. The court heard there was no provision made for

:48:31. > :48:34.posthumous proceedings even if a defendant was found unfit to stand

:48:35. > :48:40.trial, as Lord Janner was. This now brings to an end the criminal

:48:41. > :48:45.process. There is the possibility for alleged victims to take civil

:48:46. > :48:52.action and also the Goddard enquiry into historical child sex abuse will

:48:53. > :48:56.also look into this case. Daniel, at the Old Bailey, thanks.

:48:57. > :48:59.BT has been given final approval to take over mobile phone operator,

:49:00. > :49:02.EE - in a deal worth an estimated ?12.5 billion.

:49:03. > :49:05.Head teachers demand action to ease the pressure on school places

:49:06. > :49:10.in England - on the deadline day for primary school admissions.

:49:11. > :49:13.Three arrests over the Indonesia gun and bomb attacks that killed two

:49:14. > :49:17.people - so-called Islamic State says it was behind it.

:49:18. > :49:20.Here in the UK - the NHS changes its policy on organ donation

:49:21. > :49:23.- to cut the numbers of bereaved families blocking the use of organs

:49:24. > :49:29.from people who'd given their consent to the procedure.

:49:30. > :49:34.Matthew has been waiting seven and a half years now, it is torture, you

:49:35. > :49:37.are waiting every day for a phone call which we feel probably will

:49:38. > :49:40.never come. Anglican leaders signal

:49:41. > :49:42.their continued opposition to gay marriage by imposing sanctions

:49:43. > :49:44.against the US Episcopal Church, Major Tim Peake prepares

:49:45. > :49:50.for the walk of his life. He'll undertake an historic six hour

:49:51. > :49:53.space walk starting at lunchtime. Let's catch up with all the sport

:49:54. > :49:57.now and join Ore Oduba. A good day for England's cricketers

:49:58. > :50:13.in South Africa yesterday, We have had plenty of action this

:50:14. > :50:19.morning. In Johannesburg, England have finally dismissed South Africa

:50:20. > :50:23.for 313, but not without incident. The hosts started again and 206 to

:50:24. > :50:31.7-7 and England picked up two wickets. -- 200 67-7. South Africa

:50:32. > :50:35.added 37 for the last wicket, and Jimmy Anderson was removed from the

:50:36. > :50:40.attack for running on the wicket, but it was wrapped up when Ben

:50:41. > :50:45.Stokes took his 50th Test match wicket. England have not got off to

:50:46. > :50:57.a good start, Alex Hales out for just a single. England are 19-1. The

:50:58. > :51:05.Pakistan bowler Mohammad Amy has returned to action after he was

:51:06. > :51:07.jailed and banned for spot fixing after a Test series against England

:51:08. > :51:24.in 2010 -- Muhamed Amir. And now to the Australian open, Andy

:51:25. > :51:28.Murray has reached four finals in Melbourne, and he has lost all of

:51:29. > :51:34.them, but the draw has been made for the tournament, and he will begin

:51:35. > :51:42.his tournament against one of the rising stars, an 18-year-old German.

:51:43. > :51:47.Johanna Konta will take on Venus Williams in the first round. Play

:51:48. > :51:51.begins on Monday. Happy to be here and I'm looking forward to

:51:52. > :51:53.competing. I've played a couple of good matches already this year and

:51:54. > :51:59.I'm looking forward to playing some more. It is the beginning of the

:52:00. > :52:04.season and it is new and exciting. Sitting down for interviews is new

:52:05. > :52:07.again. I will be talking to Greg Rusedski on the programme in about

:52:08. > :52:11.half an hour about the British interest going into the first major

:52:12. > :52:17.of the year. We have got to talks Newco, Barry Hawkins has joined

:52:18. > :52:24.Ronnie O'Sullivan in the semifinals of the Masters at Alexandra Palace

:52:25. > :52:28.-- we have got to talk snooker. Barry Hawkins look to back up the

:52:29. > :52:41.match with the ping, but the referee made an interesting call. -- pink.

:52:42. > :52:47.Foul. Foul? He called a foul for a perfectly legitimate shot, which

:52:48. > :52:50.baffled the commentators and the player, but the referee apologised

:52:51. > :52:59.and he owned up to his mistake. All smiles. Barry Hawkins into the last

:53:00. > :53:05.four. The remaining quarterfinals are played today and both matches

:53:06. > :53:08.will be on BBC Two. Even professionals make mistakes, but as

:53:09. > :53:10.long as you apologise, we are all good, it proves. LAUGHTER

:53:11. > :53:14.. Thank you for joining us this

:53:15. > :53:17.morning, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

:53:18. > :53:20.we're on BBC 2 and the BBC Big reaction from you this

:53:21. > :53:24.morning on news that 500 families in the UK have

:53:25. > :53:26.refused to let a loved one donate their organs since 2010 -

:53:27. > :53:29.even though their deceased relative "Refusing to donate organs

:53:30. > :53:33.from somebody who wanted to give their organs

:53:34. > :53:35.is disgraceful". "People like me will die

:53:36. > :53:37.because of families like that". "People should discuss their wishes

:53:38. > :53:44.with relatives organ donation". "Then there would be no surprises

:53:45. > :53:46.at a terrible time". "I believe if you would

:53:47. > :53:54.receive a organ donation, "Don't take your organs to Heaven.

:53:55. > :54:03.Heaven knows we need them here". Thanks for getting in touch -

:54:04. > :54:05.do continue to tweet, Texts will be charged

:54:06. > :54:11.at the standard network rate. You can watch the programme

:54:12. > :54:14.online wherever you are - via the bbc news app

:54:15. > :54:17.or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria - and you can also subscribe

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:54:22. > :54:39.'Victoria Derbyshire' The sexual offences charged against

:54:40. > :54:44.the late Lord Janner have been dropped. He died last month at the

:54:45. > :54:47.age of 87, he had already been declared unfit to stand trial

:54:48. > :54:50.because of his deteriorating and irreversible dementia, and they

:54:51. > :54:56.tried of the facts had been scheduled for April. -- a trial will

:54:57. > :55:04.stop our correspondent is outside the Old Bailey. He has more

:55:05. > :55:07.reaction. Within the past hour, the judge said that criminal proceedings

:55:08. > :55:11.against Lord Janner were ended by his death. And that his file would

:55:12. > :55:17.be marked, the defendant is deceased. Today's hearing was to

:55:18. > :55:21.establish whether any kind of criminal proceedings could still

:55:22. > :55:25.continue posthumously, and ordinarily a criminal trial would

:55:26. > :55:32.not continue after a defendant has died, but as you referred to there,

:55:33. > :55:35.Lord Janner had been found to be unfit to stand trial because of his

:55:36. > :55:40.dementia and instead what was to happen later this year was a trial

:55:41. > :55:50.of the facts where a jury would have established if Lord -- Lord Janner

:55:51. > :55:55.had done what he was alleged to, without establishing guilt or

:55:56. > :55:58.innocence. The court was told by the prosecution that there was no

:55:59. > :56:01.provision in law for posthumous proceedings even if a defendant was

:56:02. > :56:09.found unfit to stand trial as Lord Janner was. To discuss what this

:56:10. > :56:13.means, I'm joined by Liz who represents eight of the alleged

:56:14. > :56:17.victims. Lord Janner's family have said that he is innocent, we should

:56:18. > :56:21.say, they have said he is innocent of the allegations that were made

:56:22. > :56:25.against him. But those that you represent lady wanted to bring those

:56:26. > :56:32.allegations to court as part of a criminal process -- those that you

:56:33. > :56:35.represent wanted. They are devastated, but they understand the

:56:36. > :56:38.reasons why a criminal proceedings cannot go ahead, but the real

:56:39. > :56:43.travesty in this case is that many of them gave their statements to the

:56:44. > :56:46.police decades ago. There have been so mini missed opportunities to

:56:47. > :56:53.bring this case to justice while Lord Janner was alive -- so many.

:56:54. > :56:56.Now the only option left them is to attend before the Goddard inquiry,

:56:57. > :57:01.they have that will be taken as a priority and for them to give their

:57:02. > :57:08.evidence in person. This is the independent inquiry led by Lord

:57:09. > :57:12.Goddard which will look into these allegations as part of the overall

:57:13. > :57:18.enquiry. Yes, I hope that she will indicate that she will now hear the

:57:19. > :57:21.Lord Janner case as a matter of priority, and what is a tragedy is

:57:22. > :57:26.that the police have painstakingly gathered evidence in the last three

:57:27. > :57:32.years since many more allegations came to light and much of that

:57:33. > :57:37.evidence will not be heard. It is a real loss of justice to the victims,

:57:38. > :57:43.they totally understand why. It is the end of the criminal process, but

:57:44. > :57:49.they are still able to proceed in the civil courts, is that going to

:57:50. > :57:52.happen? We have already commenced court proceedings and thereby half

:57:53. > :57:57.in the civil courts and although he is now dead and cannot face a

:57:58. > :58:02.criminal trial, his estate can still face the criminal proceedings and

:58:03. > :58:08.they very much want that to happen. This is for the facts to be

:58:09. > :58:14.established. Many thanks. A judge has now brought to an end the

:58:15. > :58:18.criminal proceedings, and there is still the possibility for the

:58:19. > :58:21.alleged victims to pursue civil claims and the Goddard inquiry is

:58:22. > :58:23.also going to be looking into this case as part of its wider remit.

:58:24. > :58:26.Thanks for joining us. It's deadline day today

:58:27. > :58:29.for parents in England - who have until midnight to apply

:58:30. > :58:32.for primary school places. The National Association

:58:33. > :58:34.of Headteachers has strongly criticised the school

:58:35. > :58:39.planning process - saying that it's fragmented

:58:40. > :58:40.and confusing for parents. They say the problem is so bad it

:58:41. > :58:46.risks harming childrens' education, and local authorities need more

:58:47. > :58:49.power to control where new schools open to make sure places are created

:58:50. > :58:54.where demand is greatest. In a moment we will discuss

:58:55. > :58:57.all of this with primary school head teachers, council leaders

:58:58. > :58:59.and parents who've been But first let's get some more detail

:59:00. > :59:02.from our education correspondent So why is this a very difficult

:59:03. > :59:15.process for parents? It is one of those experiences as a

:59:16. > :59:20.parent that you'd read, not quite up there with changing nappies, but it

:59:21. > :59:27.is a pretty joyless task -- that you dread. By tonight, midnight, you

:59:28. > :59:30.have got to choose up to six schools, make the selections and

:59:31. > :59:33.apply, is worth putting down at least three to make sure that you

:59:34. > :59:39.get something you want. Depending where you live, you can apply it six

:59:40. > :59:51.times with different schools in different boroughs. Parents will

:59:52. > :59:54.then find out, and about four out of ten would not get their first

:59:55. > :59:59.choice, it has become more complicated and a more confusing

:00:00. > :00:06.system recently. There are changes to the system? The National

:00:07. > :00:09.association of head teachers says the system is broken and they have

:00:10. > :00:14.said it has been Balkanised, not just fragmented, but often

:00:15. > :00:17.uncooperative and schools do not work together for the greater good,

:00:18. > :00:22.because free schools and academies have the freedom to run their own

:00:23. > :00:25.admissions, and so parents can apply to 64 schools of six different

:00:26. > :00:32.types, and the schools might not inform each other -- can apply to

:00:33. > :00:37.six different schools. And so the local authorities might not be able

:00:38. > :00:42.to provide their legal duty to provide every child with a place at

:00:43. > :00:44.school. Which of course would harm the child.

:00:45. > :00:48.Let's talk now to a group of people directly affected by all of this -

:00:49. > :00:54.Titilayo Oluwatudimu, is the founder of a free school -

:00:55. > :00:56.Councillor Alisa Flemming, Labour Cabinet member for children,

:00:57. > :01:07.families and learning at Croydon Council -

:01:08. > :01:11.and parent Antonia Bennet - who has been through the system.

:01:12. > :01:22.Antonia, what happened with you? Antonia, what happened? We made the

:01:23. > :01:24.Antonia, what happened with you? We application in 2012 and in 2013

:01:25. > :01:24.Antonia, what happened with you? We made

:01:25. > :01:25.Antonia, what happened with you? We application in 2012 and in 2013 we

:01:26. > :01:25.Antonia, what happened with you? We made the

:01:26. > :01:25.application in 2012 and in 2013 we received

:01:26. > :01:25.application in 2012 and in 2013 we made the application

:01:26. > :01:25.application in 2012 and in 2013 we received a letter

:01:26. > :01:25.application in 2012 and in 2013 we made the application in

:01:26. > :01:25.application in 2012 and in 2013 we received a letter stating

:01:26. > :01:26.application in 2012 and in 2013 we made the application in 2012,

:01:27. > :01:26.application in 2012 and in 2013 we received a letter stating that we

:01:27. > :01:28.had not got our choices. received a letter stating that we

:01:29. > :01:30.made the application in 2012, in 2013 we received a letter stating we

:01:31. > :01:30.did 2013 we received a letter stating we

:01:31. > :01:31.had not got our choices. Isaac was being

:01:32. > :01:31.had not got our choices. Isaac was did not have

:01:32. > :01:31.had not got our choices. Isaac was being placed

:01:32. > :01:31.had not got our choices. Isaac was did not have our

:01:32. > :01:32.had not got our choices. Isaac was being placed in a

:01:33. > :01:32.had not got our choices. Isaac was did not have our choices. Isaac was

:01:33. > :01:32.had not got our choices. Isaac was being placed in a school

:01:33. > :01:32.did not have our choices. Isaac was being placed in a school 45

:01:33. > :01:33.did not have our choices. Isaac was being placed in a school 45 minutes

:01:34. > :01:35.bus journey was away, two buses. being placed in a school 45 minutes

:01:36. > :01:37.being placed in the school of 45 minute bus journey away. We

:01:38. > :01:37.being placed in the school of 45 bus journey was away, two buses. We

:01:38. > :01:38.being placed in the school of 45 minute bus journey away. We tried

:01:39. > :01:39.bus journey was away, two buses. We tried to appeal the process,

:01:40. > :01:39.bus journey was away, two buses. We minute bus journey away. We tried to

:01:40. > :01:39.bus journey was away, two buses. We tried to appeal the process, but

:01:40. > :01:39.minute bus journey away. We tried to tried to appeal the process, but we

:01:40. > :01:40.minute bus journey away. We tried to appeal the

:01:41. > :01:40.tried to appeal the process, but we did not

:01:41. > :01:40.tried to appeal the process, but we appeal the process,

:01:41. > :01:40.tried to appeal the process, but we did not fit the correct

:01:41. > :01:41.tried to appeal the process, but we appeal the process, but

:01:42. > :01:41.tried to appeal the process, but we did not fit the correct criteria.

:01:42. > :01:44.tried to appeal the process, but we appeal the process, but we did

:01:45. > :01:44.did not fit the correct criteria. Isaac

:01:45. > :01:44.did not fit the correct criteria. appeal the process, but we did not

:01:45. > :01:44.meet appeal the process, but we did not

:01:45. > :01:44.Isaac went appeal the process, but we did not

:01:45. > :01:44.meet the appeal the process, but we did not

:01:45. > :01:45.Isaac went to a appeal the process, but we did not

:01:46. > :01:47.meet the correct criteria. appeal the process, but we did not

:01:48. > :01:50.Isaac went to a school 45 minutes away, in the end. Hanley schools

:01:51. > :01:51.were closer? away, in the end. Hanley schools

:01:52. > :01:51.meet the correct criteria. How many schools

:01:52. > :01:51.meet the correct criteria. How many were closer? 23

:01:52. > :01:51.meet the correct criteria. How many schools were

:01:52. > :01:51.meet the correct criteria. How many were closer? 23 schools.

:01:52. > :01:54.meet the correct criteria. How many schools were close to you?

:01:55. > :01:54.meet the correct criteria. How many were closer? 23 schools. --

:01:55. > :01:54.meet the correct criteria. How many schools were close to you? 23

:01:55. > :01:54.meet the correct criteria. How many were closer? 23 schools. -- how

:01:55. > :01:54.many. schools were close to you? 23

:01:55. > :01:57.schools were closer, this was schools were close to you? 23

:01:58. > :01:57.many. This schools were close to you? 23

:01:58. > :01:57.schools were closer, this was the closest

:01:58. > :01:57.schools were closer, this was the many. This was

:01:58. > :01:57.schools were closer, this was the closest undersubscribed school.

:01:58. > :01:58.schools were closer, this was the many. This was the closest school

:01:59. > :01:59.which was under subscribed. closest undersubscribed school.

:02:00. > :01:59.Crikey. closest undersubscribed school.

:02:00. > :01:59.which was under subscribed. How did you

:02:00. > :02:00.which was under subscribed. How did Crikey. How

:02:01. > :02:00.which was under subscribed. How did you feel?

:02:01. > :02:02.which was under subscribed. How did Crikey. How did that make you feel?

:02:03. > :02:03.which was under subscribed. How did you feel? We were devastated, I

:02:04. > :02:03.Crikey. How did that make you feel? Devastated.

:02:04. > :02:03.Crikey. How did that make you feel? you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:04. > :02:04.to quit my you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:05. > :02:04.Devastated. I had to you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:05. > :02:04.to quit my job you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:05. > :02:05.Devastated. I had to quit my you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:06. > :02:05.to quit my job and you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:06. > :02:05.Devastated. I had to quit my job you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:06. > :02:05.to quit my job and get a you feel? We were devastated, I had

:02:06. > :02:06.Devastated. I had to quit my job and to quit my job and get a part-time

:02:07. > :02:06.job to fit to quit my job and get a part-time

:02:07. > :02:06.get a part-time job to quit my job and get a part-time

:02:07. > :02:07.job to fit in with taking to quit my job and get a part-time

:02:08. > :02:07.get a part-time job to to quit my job and get a part-time

:02:08. > :02:07.job to fit in with taking him to to quit my job and get a part-time

:02:08. > :02:07.get a part-time job to fit in job to fit in with taking him to

:02:08. > :02:08.school. job to fit in with taking him to

:02:09. > :02:09.get a part-time job to fit in with taking

:02:10. > :02:11.get a part-time job to fit in with school. 45 minute to drop him at

:02:12. > :02:17.school and then 45 minutes back. school. 45 minute to drop him at

:02:18. > :02:17.taking Isaac to school. It was 45 minutes to drop him at school, 45

:02:18. > :02:19.minutes back, I spent hours travelling every day. The impact on

:02:20. > :02:20.him was heartbreaking. Having to travelling every day. The impact on

:02:21. > :02:21.school and then 45 minutes back. It him was heartbreaking. Having to get

:02:22. > :02:21.school and then 45 minutes back. It was difficult,

:02:22. > :02:21.him was heartbreaking. Having to get your

:02:22. > :02:21.him was heartbreaking. Having to get was difficult, getting

:02:22. > :02:21.him was heartbreaking. Having to get your child about

:02:22. > :02:21.him was heartbreaking. Having to get was difficult, getting up at

:02:22. > :02:21.him was heartbreaking. Having to get your child about seven I

:02:22. > :02:22.him was heartbreaking. Having to get was difficult, getting up at seven

:02:23. > :02:23.o'clock in the morning, he was difficult, getting up at seven

:02:24. > :02:23.your child about seven I am,. was difficult, getting up at seven

:02:24. > :02:29.o'clock in the morning, he did not want to eat breakfast, it was too

:02:30. > :02:33.early, and then getting on a bus, 45 minutes, trying to make sure we were

:02:34. > :02:35.not late because we work relying on public and sport committee was a

:02:36. > :02:46.very stressful time. Dominic, your daughter is three and

:02:47. > :02:54.a half, you already engage with the process? A blood terrifyingly

:02:55. > :02:58.complex and really worryingly. I have spoken to local education

:02:59. > :03:01.authorities, where I live, all the good schools around me are

:03:02. > :03:07.oversubscribed, I fall outside the area. Luckily, I have found a school

:03:08. > :03:11.which hopefully she will get into, a good school which is relatively new

:03:12. > :03:17.but in a different alley. It feels to me that it is about my only

:03:18. > :03:21.choice. Wider you feel you will not get into any nearest schools? There

:03:22. > :03:25.are services on the Internet which will show you roughly where you need

:03:26. > :03:31.to be to get into a school. How close is your nearest school that

:03:32. > :03:36.you would want to get into, ideally? Probably about 400, 500 metres away.

:03:37. > :03:42.That you don't reckon you would get in? No. Mark Darren Peetoom, you are

:03:43. > :03:47.the headmaster of a very oversubscribed primary, to what

:03:48. > :03:52.extent? We have had years with over 300 applications for 30 places.

:03:53. > :03:55.Managing expectations of parents getting children into the school is

:03:56. > :04:02.an enormous challenge, and also for the local authority. Last year you

:04:03. > :04:09.had to look within 300 metres to get into the school. It must be a very

:04:10. > :04:13.difficult, stressful process for the schools and the parents? We have a

:04:14. > :04:20.lot of upset parents, parents of children already in the nursery,

:04:21. > :04:22.which does not guarantee a primary admissions place. It is a constant

:04:23. > :04:26.battle. And supporting them to making informed decisions about

:04:27. > :04:33.where our realistic choices for their children to get school places.

:04:34. > :04:37.You look after education for Crowley -- for Croydon Council, I suppose

:04:38. > :04:41.you have the overview. What is going on, is everybody plumping for the

:04:42. > :04:47.same schools and inevitably there is a jam, or is the availability? Where

:04:48. > :04:56.is the system system falling? Specifically in relation to Croydon,

:04:57. > :04:59.the difficulty in previous years had been in terms of the supply strategy

:05:00. > :05:03.and ensuring the places are available. Luckily in Croydon we

:05:04. > :05:09.have been able to see, especially given that we are the regeneration

:05:10. > :05:17.borough of London at the moment, in the last five years we have seen an

:05:18. > :05:20.additional 70 forms of entry added, the mass majority would have been

:05:21. > :05:25.the primary estate, some of that would have been an secondary

:05:26. > :05:30.provision in the borough. Managing that, whilst difficult, has been

:05:31. > :05:33.successful. The vast majority of the parents have been offered a school

:05:34. > :05:39.of choice. Not necessarily the first place. One of the focus is for me,

:05:40. > :05:44.especially as apparent myself, is we need to get back to the place of

:05:45. > :05:49.local schools for local children, but also that all schools should be

:05:50. > :05:53.a school of choice. That is the philosophy we have in Croydon, and

:05:54. > :05:57.as a result there is the hope that all children would be able to go to

:05:58. > :06:06.their local schools. I have heard you mention about a good school. In

:06:07. > :06:08.Croydon, again, we are very lucky that the vast majority of schools

:06:09. > :06:14.are good or outstanding. That is very important in terms of parent

:06:15. > :06:19.preference. For me, as a mother, that is of importance. Equally,

:06:20. > :06:24.having to travel long distances, as Antonia has mentioned, can be an

:06:25. > :06:30.issue for the child. By the time they get to school they are

:06:31. > :06:38.overtired or not able to keep up in class. For me, we really need to

:06:39. > :06:45.continue to push local school places for local children. You set up a

:06:46. > :06:51.free school, why? Go by -- I lived in a row where I had children in

:06:52. > :06:55.inadequate classrooms, Portakabins, classrooms were overcrowded. There

:06:56. > :06:57.were parents like we have listened to who were frustrated at not

:06:58. > :07:03.getting the schools of their choices. If and when the Government

:07:04. > :07:08.then decided that there was a possibility of having community

:07:09. > :07:12.groups setting up schools, what I did was have conversations with my

:07:13. > :07:19.local community. There is a need. If we can fight that provision for

:07:20. > :07:23.children, let's do it. I had to get together some members of the

:07:24. > :07:27.community with very close collaboration with the local

:07:28. > :07:34.authority looking at where the places were needed, and we set up

:07:35. > :07:35.authority looking at where the free school. However, we are

:07:36. > :07:42.experiencing exactly the same thing around the table, oversubscription.

:07:43. > :07:47.We set up a very small school. Still a very small percentage being

:07:48. > :07:51.catered for. They need is still there. Practically every year we

:07:52. > :07:57.have been oversubscribed. The good thing is that because it is set up

:07:58. > :08:03.in a place where it is needed, parents feel part of a community.

:08:04. > :08:06.There is a large bit of biding in from the parents around and members

:08:07. > :08:11.of the community, because it is part of their community. People like what

:08:12. > :08:19.they see with your school and want to go there, do you know of any

:08:20. > :08:23.undersubscribed schools in the area? Not exactly. We are in a position

:08:24. > :08:28.where practically all the schools around us are oversubscribed. We

:08:29. > :08:35.have a huge growth, we have more people with in the borough. There

:08:36. > :08:38.are constantly people looking for more places. Mark, are you aware of

:08:39. > :08:45.any schools near you being oversubscribed? -- undersubscribed?

:08:46. > :08:50.All of the schools local to me in Hackney faces the challenges of

:08:51. > :08:54.massive oversubscription. We have had massive increases in birth rate,

:08:55. > :09:00.lots of regeneration with new housing, families coming to live in

:09:01. > :09:05.the borough. It is very error to send children to school and, they

:09:06. > :09:12.get a very good deal. -- it is a very successful borough to send

:09:13. > :09:15.children to school in. We are a victim of our own success, families

:09:16. > :09:19.desperately want to get in. It is another story, but it is

:09:20. > :09:22.interesting, Hackney has turned around. We have transformed

:09:23. > :09:26.education through hard work, efforts and education will stop it is a

:09:27. > :09:34.credit to everybody working in the schools that we have had this

:09:35. > :09:39.delight happen. Antonia and Dominic, are you aware of schools where you

:09:40. > :09:44.could have much more easily got into that you are looking at, but you

:09:45. > :09:49.just don't want to go to? Parents are shying away and they are

:09:50. > :09:59.undersubscribed? The garb not that I am aware of. You were not being too

:10:00. > :09:59.picky? We were being picky based on distance, but that was the

:10:00. > :10:02.picky? We were being picky based on criteria we were looking at. The

:10:03. > :10:07.schools in the area where we live, they range from good to outstanding,

:10:08. > :10:10.we didn't mind weather it was a good or outstanding school, we just

:10:11. > :10:15.wanted to be able to get our child into a school where we could still

:10:16. > :10:22.have a good quality of life. Where did you end up? You said it was this

:10:23. > :10:27.45 minute bus ride, it has change? As of November, Isaac was into our

:10:28. > :10:32.first choice school after two and a bit years of being on the waiting

:10:33. > :10:37.list. And the difference is incredible. How close is that to

:10:38. > :10:41.list. And the difference is now? About a ten minute walk away.

:10:42. > :10:44.You were on the waiting list, is that a passive system where you sit

:10:45. > :10:50.back and wait, or do you have to stay in touch and get involved? You

:10:51. > :10:53.had to stay in touch with the local authority to say you would like to

:10:54. > :10:58.remain on the list, you have to do that once every term or you get

:10:59. > :11:02.taken off the list. When parents call up they should also check they

:11:03. > :11:06.are on the list for all of the schools they applied for, we had a

:11:07. > :11:14.situation where we were taken off the list for one of the schools

:11:15. > :11:16.completely in error, it meant we had to reapply, which is why it took

:11:17. > :11:19.even longer to get Isaac into a local school. How much fluidity is

:11:20. > :11:22.their further down the track for parents who don't get their kid

:11:23. > :11:28.where they want, things might change? In Croydon, it varies. We

:11:29. > :11:34.have a combination of both academies, free schools and, in

:11:35. > :11:40.terms of the selection process, although everything runs through the

:11:41. > :11:46.local authority in terms of place allocation, the waiting lists and

:11:47. > :11:50.the appeals, if it is, for example, maybe a faith school, is undertaken

:11:51. > :11:58.directly by that individual establishment there was fluidity.

:11:59. > :12:01.Currently our focus is moving towards the secondary phase of

:12:02. > :12:06.education, making sure place allocation is available. On Monday

:12:07. > :12:13.night we will be looking at our supply strategy, moving forward for

:12:14. > :12:19.the coming three years and ensuring we have sufficient school places

:12:20. > :12:26.available. But I just think it is an ongoing issue that we have always

:12:27. > :12:34.had in terms of parental preference. Even for me myself. And one of the

:12:35. > :12:37.major issues we have had, it is not political and I don't seek to make

:12:38. > :12:41.it, but if we look at somewhere like Croydon, an outer London borough, in

:12:42. > :12:46.terms of the funding that you get, in terms of being able to expand on

:12:47. > :12:53.what is deemed to be a good or outstanding school, there is an

:12:54. > :13:02.issue. If we take Lambeth, right next door to us, is about ?2000 less

:13:03. > :13:06.per child, ?60,000 per class. So the money we have spent on expanding

:13:07. > :13:20.schools has been done through rolling -- oral wing and funding

:13:21. > :13:21.bids. The Government has ruled nationally that all new schools had

:13:22. > :13:26.to be free schools. It takes the power amp little choice away.

:13:27. > :13:29.Dominic, I did not get you to answer the question about whether there are

:13:30. > :13:34.schools closer to you that you would prefer not to send? There is one

:13:35. > :13:40.school. It might rarity is quality of life. Taking a three-year-old

:13:41. > :13:46.across London at eight o'clock in the morning, the traffic and

:13:47. > :13:53.everything else, is a nightmare. Adding two Alister somebody's day is

:13:54. > :13:56.not fair. It is more than just... It is about local communities. I wanted

:13:57. > :14:02.to be able to play with children on the same street and not travel miles

:14:03. > :14:07.to get to school. It is really, really important. Obviously I don't

:14:08. > :14:14.want a school that I am scared of her going to! Do you both see ways

:14:15. > :14:19.of improving the system? It is numbers, but it is so complicated.

:14:20. > :14:24.Free schools and academies, which set their own admissions criteria,

:14:25. > :14:27.you don't necessarily find it up by the Kouyate local education

:14:28. > :14:31.authorities, you have to speak to individual schools and you don't get

:14:32. > :14:34.the information needed to know whether you will get into the

:14:35. > :14:40.school, it is very difficult. You end up resorting to doing huge

:14:41. > :14:45.amount of research yourself a which is tiring and difficult, especially

:14:46. > :14:50.when you have young children. Thank you all for coming in and talking to

:14:51. > :14:55.us. We invited the Department for Education to come in, but they told

:14:56. > :14:58.us that 95% of parents received an offer at one of their top three

:14:59. > :15:03.schools last year and the Government doubled funding for new school

:15:04. > :15:07.places to ?5 billion between 2011 and 2015, helping create half a

:15:08. > :15:11.million new places, and they say they have opened more than 250 free

:15:12. > :15:18.schools, we know more needs to be done so we will invest a further ?23

:15:19. > :15:21.billion in school buildings up to 2021, creating 500 new schools and

:15:22. > :15:23.600,000 new school places. Tim Peake gets ready for the first

:15:24. > :15:27.ever space walk by an astronaut representing the UK -

:15:28. > :15:30.We'll have the details in the lead And David Bowie is on course to top

:15:31. > :15:34.the UK charts once again. We'll reflect on the reaction

:15:35. > :15:43.to his death this week. As we've been hearing,

:15:44. > :15:48.the child sex abuse case against the late Lord Janner has

:15:49. > :15:51.been dropped, following the 87 A 'trial of the facts' had been

:15:52. > :15:55.scheduled for April but that Head teachers demand action to ease

:15:56. > :16:01.the pressure on school places in England - on the deadline day

:16:02. > :16:05.for primary school admissions. BT has been given final approval

:16:06. > :16:09.to take over mobile phone operator, EE - in a deal worth

:16:10. > :16:17.an estimated ?12.5 billion. The NHS changes its policy

:16:18. > :16:19.on organ donation - to cut the numbers of bereaved

:16:20. > :16:22.families blocking the use of organs from people who'd given

:16:23. > :16:31.their consent to the procedure. Matthew has been waiting seven and a

:16:32. > :16:34.half years, it is torture, you are waiting everyday for a phone call

:16:35. > :16:36.which we feel probably will never come.

:16:37. > :16:38.Anglican leaders signal their continued opposition to gay

:16:39. > :16:41.marriage by imposing sanctions against the US Episcopal Church,

:16:42. > :16:49.It's time to talk sport with Ore now, and just a couple of days

:16:50. > :16:53.until the start of the Australian Open tennis?

:16:54. > :16:57.That is right, excitement is building to the first grand slam of

:16:58. > :17:01.the year, Andy Murray will be the centre of attention as far as the

:17:02. > :17:07.British contingent is concerned, but he's not the early representative in

:17:08. > :17:13.Australia. We can talk to Greg Rusedski, who joins us live. Good

:17:14. > :17:16.morning. You have some late nights coming as we look forward to this

:17:17. > :17:21.tournament, starting Monday, but what about Andy Murray? He has been

:17:22. > :17:27.to four finals in Melbourne and lost all of them. Psychologically that

:17:28. > :17:33.will hurt, but this could be the year? Possibly yes, last year were

:17:34. > :17:38.sensational for him, getting to number two at the end of the season

:17:39. > :17:38.and winning the Davis Cup for the number two at the end of the season

:17:39. > :17:42.first time for Great Britain, he has a lot of confidence and I think he

:17:43. > :17:49.will make it back to the final. But Novak Djokovic has been sensational

:17:50. > :17:52.at the moment. If he gets to the final, anything can happen in the

:17:53. > :17:56.one match, so he has a great opportunity to win this for the

:17:57. > :18:01.first time. It took him five times to win his first grand slam, so

:18:02. > :18:09.maybe the number five is lucky for Andy Murray. What about the man he

:18:10. > :18:10.is taking on? Alexander Zverev. He is very tall, six feet six, a

:18:11. > :18:17.difficult opponent. I think is very tall, six feet six, a

:18:18. > :18:21.win in straight sets, Andy Murray, but Alexander Zverev is one for the

:18:22. > :18:26.future, but I don't think he is physically strong enough to stay

:18:27. > :18:30.with Andy. Andy has beaten him before and he was very convincing,

:18:31. > :18:34.and I think Andy's test will start in the quarterfinals, that could be

:18:35. > :18:40.David Ferrer, and then the semifinal could be Stan Wawrinka. I think you

:18:41. > :18:44.could get to the final, though. Johanna Konta, it is not get much

:18:45. > :18:50.harder than the seven time grand slam champion Venus Williams. But is

:18:51. > :18:52.the best time to take on Venus Williams in the opening round? Yes,

:18:53. > :18:57.you want to do that before she Williams in the opening round? Yes,

:18:58. > :19:01.her momentum, especially going into the second week. They have met on

:19:02. > :19:08.one occasion, and Venus Williams was victorious in a tight 3-set match,

:19:09. > :19:14.but Johanna Konta is really growing in confidence. Mentally, the

:19:15. > :19:20.question was, does she have the right attitude? I think she does.

:19:21. > :19:24.This could be a possible upset and I think Joanne concert could beat

:19:25. > :19:29.Venus Williams. -- Johanna Konta could beat Venus William 's. It was

:19:30. > :19:33.an incredible year for British tennis, you mentioned the Davis Cup

:19:34. > :19:37.victory, history was made last year, and we hope possibly building on

:19:38. > :19:42.that with the likes of Kyle Edmund coming through. It was a great year

:19:43. > :19:47.for the Brits in Australia, six British players, four in the men and

:19:48. > :19:56.two and the ladies, so there's a lot of forward to. -- on the ladies.

:19:57. > :20:01.Kyle could have a rematch with David Goffin, which we saw in the Davis

:20:02. > :20:05.Cup, that could be intriguing. So many good matches to look forward

:20:06. > :20:08.to, and the men and women's side, and if you want to watch the

:20:09. > :20:15.coverage, watch it live and exclusive on Eurosport. Oh! But why

:20:16. > :20:20.would you not listen to it on five live sports extra? You can listen to

:20:21. > :20:21.it there, as well, but if you want to see it live on the television,

:20:22. > :20:32.that is the only place to watch it. to see it live on the television,

:20:33. > :20:39.You get it anyway you can exclaim -- you can square that was Greg

:20:40. > :20:46.Rusedski. -- you get it anyway you can! England are 27-2 at the moment,

:20:47. > :20:50.so they are not doing very well at the moment in the third Test match

:20:51. > :20:56.in Johannesburg. Thanks for joining us. Many of you getting in touch

:20:57. > :21:01.after hour, station regarding organ donation and the news that about 100

:21:02. > :21:05.families every year are saying no to organ donation and in spite of their

:21:06. > :21:10.loved one giving consent prior to their death -- after our

:21:11. > :21:11.conversation. "Why not make relative consent

:21:12. > :21:18.part of the donation "I think legally

:21:19. > :21:21.a person's remains belong "Surely it is unlawful to go

:21:22. > :21:27.against their wishes". "My dad was ill for ten years

:21:28. > :21:32.and received a new liver two "Had it not been for the lady

:21:33. > :21:36.who donated he would be gone now. "The pain of waiting and watching

:21:37. > :21:41.someone you love deteriorate "I'm sorry but this is the ultimate

:21:42. > :21:46.in state interference". "My body does not belong

:21:47. > :21:49.to the state unless I agree "If you are prepared to accept

:21:50. > :21:54.an organ you should "He was a magnificent actor

:21:55. > :22:00.and a wonderful man" - the words of the author JK Rowling

:22:01. > :22:05.paying tribute to the actor Alan Rickman, who has died

:22:06. > :22:07.of cancer at the age of 69. He enjoyed success in theatre

:22:08. > :22:11.and television but performances in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves,

:22:12. > :22:15.Die Hard, Love Actually and the Harry Potter films

:22:16. > :22:19.which brought him global fame. Yes, but you've also

:22:20. > :22:58.made a fool out of me. You've made the life

:22:59. > :23:00.I lead foolish, too. That is a very serious

:23:01. > :23:08.accusation, Potter. There's a poem I wanted

:23:09. > :24:00.you to translate. There's a bit that

:24:01. > :24:07.I wanted you to hear. Juliet Stevenson played

:24:08. > :24:25.Alan Rickman's co-star in 'Truly, She told Newsnight's Emily Maitlis

:24:26. > :24:29.that the film was a good representation of what he could do -

:24:30. > :24:31.which was everything. He was an incredibly inventive

:24:32. > :24:34.person to work with. Very, very creative and thinking all

:24:35. > :24:38.the time about the bigger picture. He had his eye on everything,

:24:39. > :24:41.what the camera was doing, He thought very big and he had many

:24:42. > :24:49.kinds of talent that could address themselves to all kinds

:24:50. > :24:52.of parts of the job. He had a lot to offer

:24:53. > :24:54.in every department. He was an inspiration to pretty much

:24:55. > :25:00.everyone on the crew as I'm sure Sometimes there was a look

:25:01. > :25:12.as Emma Thompson said, one look or one word,

:25:13. > :25:15.an eyebrow, a glance. He's sitting on my shoulder now

:25:16. > :25:23.and looking down at me and saying, He could make you roar with laughter

:25:24. > :25:28.with a couple of words. He could say something searingly

:25:29. > :25:33.insightful with just a line. He was astonishingly economic

:25:34. > :25:36.in his utterance but he had this laser beam accuracy

:25:37. > :25:39.about what needed to be said. Whether that was funny

:25:40. > :25:42.or insightful or tricky Is that from his stage sort

:25:43. > :25:52.of structure that came before film? He was a theatre actor for a long

:25:53. > :25:55.time before he became He was a classical actor

:25:56. > :25:59.on stage and we met A lot of us did who were

:26:00. > :26:06.close friends of his. As for that capacity,

:26:07. > :26:11.no, I think you always have that. He lived on the back

:26:12. > :26:13.foot, you know. He thought a great deal before

:26:14. > :26:17.he offered up an opinion. He was also very instinctive

:26:18. > :26:19.and an intuitive person. His judgments came from

:26:20. > :26:25.an amazing blend of the mind, The actress Juliet Stevenson talking

:26:26. > :26:32.about Alan Rickman who died British astronaut Tim Peake

:26:33. > :26:40.will boldly go where few others have later today - taking part

:26:41. > :26:43.in his first space walk, a month after arriving

:26:44. > :26:46.at the International Space Station. Major Peake and his American

:26:47. > :26:48.colleague Tim Kopra will try to repair a power unit

:26:49. > :26:54.on the outside of the station. They'll start just before

:26:55. > :26:56.1pm, taking about six So how do you train for a spacewalk

:26:57. > :27:02.- well, it seems you need a big swimming pool and a lot of patience,

:27:03. > :27:14.as Tim Peake explains. What does it feel like to put on the

:27:15. > :27:17.suit? Pretty difficult to get into, it is like a small caving expedition

:27:18. > :27:21.just to get into it, and it is a very tight fit, although it looks

:27:22. > :27:26.very big and bulky. Inside the suit you are crammed in, which is a good

:27:27. > :27:29.thing, you don't want too much room to move around, I like it pressing

:27:30. > :27:40.hard against my shoulders, right here. There are probably three

:27:41. > :27:44.activities which are really high risk, the launch, the re-entry, and

:27:45. > :27:47.spacewalking, it is one of the few times where as an astronaut you

:27:48. > :27:52.completely responsible for your own safety. You really are out there on

:27:53. > :28:00.a limb and you need to be able to take care of yourself and understand

:28:01. > :28:06.what is going on. Do you have a go to release yourself? It is one of

:28:07. > :28:11.those tasks, you cannot have a slip in concentration and if you forget

:28:12. > :28:15.once to put down your local Teva which is what keeps you attach to

:28:16. > :28:20.the space station and then you turn around and start working on a piece

:28:21. > :28:24.of equipment and let go of the hand rails, before you know it you are

:28:25. > :28:31.floating off space station and that is a really bad day. It was good, as

:28:32. > :28:39.expected, it was tough. Feels like I've been in the gym all day. He's

:28:40. > :28:42.not got much longer to wait. The countdown will be starting at 1130

:28:43. > :28:46.and he is still carrying out his final preparations.

:28:47. > :28:48.Here to tell us more about Tim Peake's mission is the man

:28:49. > :28:50.who has been backing him from the very start.

:28:51. > :28:52.Jeremy Curtis leads the UK Space Agency's space education

:28:53. > :28:59.We are also joined by our science correspondent. He was talking about

:29:00. > :29:05.the difficulties in front of him, but when he steps out, what can he

:29:06. > :29:11.see? Until this point, every view he has had of the Earth is essentially

:29:12. > :29:15.through a window, and the spacecraft which took him up, you can look out

:29:16. > :29:21.the window and looked down in the space station, this will be the

:29:22. > :29:28.first time he comes up top, to face the vastness of space, seeing the

:29:29. > :29:33.earth below, separated only by his space suit, which is like

:29:34. > :29:34.earth below, separated only by his spaceship, it has all the things on

:29:35. > :29:39.board which he needs to survive out there. Seeing the outside structure

:29:40. > :29:44.of the space station, as well. He saw that on the approach, but this

:29:45. > :29:49.will be the first time he is setting his gloved hands down onto it, so it

:29:50. > :29:53.will be remarkable. He will be given a few minutes to Oriente takings so

:29:54. > :30:00.with the situation because it must be a very strange and wonderful

:30:01. > :30:06.situation -- orientate himself with the situation. It must be an

:30:07. > :30:08.incredible moment. He has been training for about six years, to get

:30:09. > :30:13.to this point, and he's very training for about six years, to get

:30:14. > :30:16.share this with people in the UK, because he realises it is a

:30:17. > :30:20.privilege, a vision that no one else gets, this is a rare opportunity, so

:30:21. > :30:24.he is keen for people in the UK to have a part of his mission by

:30:25. > :30:28.following his training and understanding what he is trying to

:30:29. > :30:33.do. Children are getting very engaged with this. It is brilliant.

:30:34. > :30:37.They are so excited, there are schools across the country following

:30:38. > :30:39.what he's doing, and they can do this much more easily if they go

:30:40. > :30:48.through some of the education programme we have set up. His

:30:49. > :30:52.training, you can copy, and follow, the training that Tim does on the

:30:53. > :30:56.space station. You saw in the film how much hard work it will be for

:30:57. > :31:00.Tim, he has got to fight the space suit all the time, although he is

:31:01. > :31:03.weightless, he has got to be very strong and dextrous and keep

:31:04. > :31:08.concentrating the whole time. He has got to do much training in space, he

:31:09. > :31:12.does two hours every day of trading, he runs on a running machine and

:31:13. > :31:16.lifts weights -- two hours every day of training. We can follow that on

:31:17. > :31:20.the ground and you can copy what he's doing and see if

:31:21. > :31:20.the ground and you can copy what keeping up with him, in the space to

:31:21. > :31:29.Earth challenge. # I guess you could, if you wanted,

:31:30. > :31:36.by the sort of food he is eating, I think they sell it in museum shops.

:31:37. > :31:44.Is this is real. Oh, is the stuff in museum shops not?! Dybala I should

:31:45. > :31:49.not say. This is scrambled egg. It is written in English and Russian.

:31:50. > :31:54.You re-hydrated by putting hot water in. It tells you exactly what

:31:55. > :31:58.quantity to put in. It tells you how much sodium there is in every one of

:31:59. > :32:02.these things. They had to keep their salt intake right, because their

:32:03. > :32:04.fluid balance changes. The body tries to get rid of excess fluid and

:32:05. > :32:10.they ended been dehydrated. tries to get rid of excess fluid and

:32:11. > :32:14.are on a spacewalk for six hours you have to keep your fluid levels up.

:32:15. > :32:20.We have another thing called Mission next, it is all about the foods that

:32:21. > :32:26.astronauts eat and the fitness that they have to acquire in order to do

:32:27. > :32:30.their work. -- called Mission by. We all got 7000 kids involved in the

:32:31. > :32:39.challenge running from now and tell March. Here is my favourite. Tim has

:32:40. > :32:45.to drink tea, how could you... He is British, how could you not? This is

:32:46. > :32:48.what he looks like, it does not look very appealing. You have to put hot

:32:49. > :32:54.water in. He has got some very appealing. You have to put hot

:32:55. > :32:57.that is a bit better quality than the standard dehydrated stuff. I

:32:58. > :33:03.love it, it would take a Brit to do that! Tell us more, Rebecca, about

:33:04. > :33:08.what he will be doing. One astronaut has previously described it as like

:33:09. > :33:13.mending a watch while wearing oven gloves and falling off an infinitely

:33:14. > :33:16.tall building. That sounds about right, it is DIY in the most

:33:17. > :33:21.possible situation you could imagine. Just working through the

:33:22. > :33:25.spacesuit is incredibly hard. Gloves, it is like squeezing against

:33:26. > :33:30.the pressure balls you get in the gym, constantly squeezing your

:33:31. > :33:34.fingers to manipulate. Today he will be helping to replace a power unit

:33:35. > :33:41.on by called a sequential shunt unit. The space station is powered

:33:42. > :33:43.by solar arrays, there are eight of them on there, and the sequential

:33:44. > :33:47.shunt unit essentially regulates how much power is actually going into

:33:48. > :33:53.the space station, it controls the voltage. One of those eight units

:33:54. > :33:57.broke down, that is OK, the space station can run on 12.5% less power,

:33:58. > :34:03.but they don't want another one to break so they have to fix it. Sounds

:34:04. > :34:06.simple, it is one box that they are swapping for another, but doing that

:34:07. > :34:11.in spades is very hard. Every time you're twisting a wrench or a power

:34:12. > :34:14.drill, your body is turning at the same time, you had to be tethered

:34:15. > :34:20.on, have a footplate installed to make sure you are locked into place.

:34:21. > :34:24.They have to do it during the hours of darkness as well. On Earth, if we

:34:25. > :34:29.were doing it during our night-time we would have loads of hours, space,

:34:30. > :34:34.it is whizzing around the Earth at 20,000: it is an hour, night-time

:34:35. > :34:39.lasts around 45 minutes, they have a 30 minute window. We don't want to

:34:40. > :34:44.do it during daylight because the power of the sun is going through

:34:45. > :34:48.the solar array, it would be disastrous if an electrical current

:34:49. > :34:53.run through it and there were any sparks. Swapping in one box for

:34:54. > :35:02.another sounds easy, but I think it will be quite challenging. How can

:35:03. > :35:04.we monitor what is going on? It will be streamed live. Can you imagine

:35:05. > :35:07.doing all this for the very first time, it is incredibly important

:35:08. > :35:12.and, guess what, millions will be watching over your shoulder. There

:35:13. > :35:16.is a camera on his helmet, it will all be streamed live on the Nasa

:35:17. > :35:22.website or the print chippy website, where you can watch everything

:35:23. > :35:27.happen -- or the Principia website. It is meant to be about 12:55pm,

:35:28. > :35:30.sometimes they get to their checks quicker and they will be out

:35:31. > :35:35.earlier, they don't want to waste time. The replacement of the SSU,

:35:36. > :35:39.what Becky was talking about, we think that will be at around 2:30pm.

:35:40. > :35:47.But they can always change things, they might move it up or down. It

:35:48. > :35:49.will be really, really exciting to watch over his shoulder as he does

:35:50. > :35:51.this extraordinary operation for the very first time. Thank you both.

:35:52. > :35:53.And there'll be coverage of Tim Peake's spacewalk on the BBC

:35:54. > :35:56.News Channel from 11:30am - and the walk itself is due to happen

:35:57. > :36:07.That may be a little bit variable. Just a quick update on news breaking

:36:08. > :36:11.this morning that legal proceedings against former Labour peer Lord

:36:12. > :36:15.Janner, who was facing child abuse charges, have been formally dropped

:36:16. > :36:19.following his death. A planned trial of the fact Jew to be held at the

:36:20. > :36:25.Old Bailey in April will not go ahead. We are hearing that the

:36:26. > :36:31.independent Goddard inquiry into child sex abuse will look into Lord

:36:32. > :36:33.Janner and subsequent failures to protect children from abuse by him

:36:34. > :36:35.or others associated with him. David Bowie's 25th studio album

:36:36. > :36:37.Blackstar is expected to top the albums chart when the latest

:36:38. > :36:40.countdown is announced this evening. The album was released just two days

:36:41. > :36:42.before the iconic musician's death And it looks like many of his

:36:43. > :36:47.greatest hits could make it We can speak now to Shaun Keaveny,

:36:48. > :37:02.fresh from presenting his Radio Thank you for coming in. It is

:37:03. > :37:06.extraordinary to watch on a particularly the video for Lazarus,

:37:07. > :37:14.knowing he was doing bad as he knew he was dying and wanted people to

:37:15. > :37:16.see that, potentially after his death? Many people are saying, the

:37:17. > :37:25.producer of the album, has said precisely that. David Nugent will

:37:26. > :37:29.well. -- David knew full well. He had his diagnosis, it accelerated

:37:30. > :37:34.come November, he knew what was coming and he wanted to work until

:37:35. > :37:38.the last moment and create this love letter, if you will, to the fans, a

:37:39. > :37:43.final statement. Only he could pull it off with quite such aplomb. Let's

:37:44. > :37:56.listen more closely to the music as we watch the video.

:37:57. > :38:13.# Look up here, man, I'm in danger. # I've got nothing left to lose.

:38:14. > :38:24.# I'm so high it makes my brain world.

:38:25. > :38:26.The poignancy of watching about just after his death brings a whole extra

:38:27. > :38:31.dimensional to a song, which is a beautiful song, but it adds a

:38:32. > :38:36.different dimensional? It does. I was listening to at last Saturday,

:38:37. > :38:40.just streaming at, it had only just come out last Friday. Just having

:38:41. > :38:45.that workmanlike experience of listening to new Bowie music and

:38:46. > :38:51.thinking, while, it is really good, this is a fantastic new piece of

:38:52. > :38:55.music. And then come Monday, it is a totally different... Seen through a

:38:56. > :39:01.totally different prism. On radio six music we experience such a

:39:02. > :39:06.colossal out pouring of grief. We talked about it on this very

:39:07. > :39:07.colossal out pouring of grief. We programme on Monday. It was

:39:08. > :39:11.unprecedented. Thinking about it and living with it for the last few

:39:12. > :39:17.days, I think one of the reasons is that David Bowie is a singular

:39:18. > :39:22.musician. In many regards, if other icons are to die, unfortunately we

:39:23. > :39:26.all shuffling off the mortal coil, very often they are part of a group,

:39:27. > :39:30.where as David has created this entire canon of work themselves, all

:39:31. > :39:37.these different different guises, that is what people are clinging

:39:38. > :39:40.onto. It is like losing about 75 artists at once coming he created

:39:41. > :39:44.all these different worlds. We are hearing one of his greatest hits,

:39:45. > :39:52.these are all coming back to chart. Is it young people who were not

:39:53. > :39:56.aware of him before who were waking up to his music? I have brought a

:39:57. > :40:02.couple of e-mails. Again, what comes through, certainly for us at the

:40:03. > :40:06.station, is how many people have had the experience of having it passed

:40:07. > :40:10.to them from older generations and passing it on. A gentleman called

:40:11. > :40:17.Andrew played the songs to his children in his car, these are seven

:40:18. > :40:22.and ten-year-old children. Other people get in contact, a gentleman

:40:23. > :40:28.said we bought our eldest a dance at record player to take to college,

:40:29. > :40:32.and the day before, the news of David's passing came, he rang me up

:40:33. > :40:36.from Southampton University to tell his father that he had listened to

:40:37. > :40:41.Ziggy Stardust for the first time on vinyl, what a great experience it

:40:42. > :40:45.was. He says, I am dreading telling him the bad news. It is so

:40:46. > :40:49.wonderful, largely thanks to streaming services like Spotify and

:40:50. > :40:53.things, this music lives on as viscerally in young people as it

:40:54. > :40:56.does in the older generation. My kids are seven and five and have

:40:57. > :41:04.been asking for David Bowie songs all week. That is a great piece of

:41:05. > :41:07.news. I have had a conversation with my kids about how some music will

:41:08. > :41:16.really and juror, and what makes some artists live over the

:41:17. > :41:23.generations. -- will really endure. Because they dared to do something

:41:24. > :41:27.different when they were doing it. It is arguable whether Black Eyed

:41:28. > :41:33.Peas or Ollie Merz will be talked about in the same way in the next 45

:41:34. > :41:37.or 50 years. But some artists like this, you know they will be around

:41:38. > :41:41.for hundreds of years. There will not be a big funeral. There have

:41:42. > :41:44.been various reports of him having already been cremated. You are

:41:45. > :41:49.getting a lot of input from fans on the station, do fans feel they

:41:50. > :41:56.somehow want to pay tribute to David Bouley and remember him with some

:41:57. > :42:01.sort of memorial? -- to David Bowie. I can't really remember the last

:42:02. > :42:08.time it happened if, indeed, it has, fans across the world are already

:42:09. > :42:10.putting together memorial concerts, putting together different ideas.

:42:11. > :42:17.One person on Twitter was talking about trying to create a ring of

:42:18. > :42:19.love around the Pyramid stage at Glastonbury this year, just

:42:20. > :42:25.everybody holding hands and singing David Bowie songs, charity concerts,

:42:26. > :42:32.this kind of thing. There is one in Coneygree Hall in March which would

:42:33. > :42:36.be a tribute before he died, now it is a memorial -- in Coneygree Hall.

:42:37. > :42:41.It is passing the torch to the younger generation of fans. Possibly

:42:42. > :42:44.lots of Mali will be raised by all of these fans doing different things

:42:45. > :42:47.for David. Really good to talk to you. Thank you for remembering David

:42:48. > :42:48.Bowie with us. Thank you for your company today,

:42:49. > :42:51.have a good weekend. We end the week as we started -

:42:52. > :42:54.with a tribute to David Bowie. MUSIC: Instrumental

:42:55. > :43:04.from "Heroes" by David Bowie. # Like the dolphins,

:43:05. > :43:21.like dolphins can swim. # Though nothing, nothing

:43:22. > :43:28.will keep us together. MUSIC: Instrumental

:43:29. > :44:07.from "Heroes" by David Bowie. Celebrate a country 4,000 years

:44:08. > :44:09.in the making. China begins here.