19/01/2016

:00:07. > :00:10.Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9.15am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

:00:11. > :00:16.Coming up: How do we protect children from extremism?

:00:17. > :00:20.The Government's launching a website to help parents and teachers

:00:21. > :00:24.in England tackle what they call the "spell of twisted ideologies".

:00:25. > :00:30.Also today: A woman who was duped into a relationship

:00:31. > :00:33.with an undercover police officer says she was 'personally betrayed'

:00:34. > :00:46.Here is the former cop she fell in love with. We supported each other

:00:47. > :00:50.through some very difficult times in our personal lives. It's just very

:00:51. > :00:53.sad the way and how we fell in love sad the way and how we fell in love

:00:54. > :00:55.happened to be under these circumstances.

:00:56. > :00:59.And, for the second year running NO black actors have been nominated

:01:00. > :01:02.for any of the main Oscars, and director Spike Lee says

:01:03. > :01:04.he'll boycott the ceremony, describing it as "lily white".

:01:05. > :01:08.Jada Pinkett Smith is doing the same.

:01:09. > :01:15.Maybe it is time that we pulled back our resources and put them back into

:01:16. > :01:23.our communities, into our programmes.

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:02:03. > :02:05.or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria. First, how can we protect

:02:06. > :02:07.children from the dangers That's a question that's been

:02:08. > :02:13.exercising the minds of many people with responsibility for our schools

:02:14. > :02:20.since the first reports began emerging of teenagers one day

:02:21. > :02:23.failing to turn up at school, Today, the Education Secretary Nicky

:02:24. > :02:26.Morgan is launching a website as part of the effort to try

:02:27. > :02:29.and prevent pupils from, as Government sources are putting

:02:30. > :02:31.it, 'falling under the spell The website talks about different

:02:32. > :02:38.forms of extremism, we've also seen But it's anything which means that

:02:39. > :02:46.young, bright children who are doing well at school

:02:47. > :02:49.perhaps suddenly change in their behaviour, they adopt

:02:50. > :02:51.different beliefs And that's why the website is called

:02:52. > :03:02.Educate Against Hate. The Educate Against Hate website

:03:03. > :03:05.is part of a package of measures that also includes more

:03:06. > :03:07.investigations into unregistered, illegal schools and a consultation

:03:08. > :03:10.on registering children who go It will include information

:03:11. > :03:14.on the warning signs of danger, how parents should talk

:03:15. > :03:17.to children about extremism, and steps concerned

:03:18. > :03:25.parents can take. Nicky Morgan will be

:03:26. > :03:27.at Bethnal Green Academy in East London to launch the scheme

:03:28. > :03:30.later this morning - that's the school attended by three

:03:31. > :03:33.girls who ran away to We can speak now to

:03:34. > :03:40.Tasnime Akunjee, lawyer for two of the families

:03:41. > :03:42.of those schoolgirls, Also here are Dal Babu,

:03:43. > :03:51.a former Metropolitan Police officer who now works with families whose

:03:52. > :03:54.children have gone to join IS. Jenny Smith, the headteacher

:03:55. > :03:57.of Frederick Bremer school in East London, who you might know

:03:58. > :04:00.from Educating The East End, And first our education

:04:01. > :04:08.reporter Mark Ashdown. None of us can find the website,

:04:09. > :04:14.does that mean it is a flop already? It is just launching, I have had a

:04:15. > :04:18.look, it is not exciting but it is functional. It is part of a package

:04:19. > :04:22.of measures to give parents and teachers a first point of reference

:04:23. > :04:25.where they have concerns about their children potentially being exposed

:04:26. > :04:32.to some of these risks. When is it going live?

:04:33. > :04:35.Fairly soon, I was told today. Give us some specifics, I'm a

:04:36. > :04:40.parent, worried about my child falling under the spell of twisted

:04:41. > :04:43.ideologies, what does it tell me to do?

:04:44. > :04:47.I think it is just a first point of call, the very basics, signs to look

:04:48. > :04:52.out for, the early signs. Like what?

:04:53. > :04:57.I'm sure you could tell us more about the girls disappeared, but as

:04:58. > :05:04.far as I know in the run-up to the disappearance one of them was

:05:05. > :05:08.skipping classes, missing school, that sort of thing. Things that

:05:09. > :05:10.on-the-run would not be concerning but altogether the consequences are

:05:11. > :05:16.bad. Tasnime Akunjee, do the families

:05:17. > :05:23.know where their daughters are right now? The last we heard, the four

:05:24. > :05:27.girls were in Raqqa, Syria. That information is only up to date up

:05:28. > :05:31.until mid-December. Since then there has been no communication due to the

:05:32. > :05:34.bombing taking out the communication infrastructure there. That is the

:05:35. > :05:38.unfortunate situation the families find themselves in at the moment.

:05:39. > :05:43.How are they coping with the fact that their girls are in Syria?

:05:44. > :05:46.Frankly I don't have the words to describe what they must be going

:05:47. > :05:50.through. I don't know how they are coping but somehow they are

:05:51. > :05:56.functioning. What do you think of the idea of the website? I know you

:05:57. > :06:02.have tried to look for it as well. I had a search and couldn't find it

:06:03. > :06:05.myself, so there is a fair bit of professionalism in the room and not

:06:06. > :06:10.being able to find it is a problem, I hope Google will put it higher up

:06:11. > :06:15.on the list than it currently is. But I don't think the answer is just

:06:16. > :06:22.on websites. The information that we have about it at the moment, the key

:06:23. > :06:27.thing omitted from it is community, there is no community engagement

:06:28. > :06:31.with the functioning of the website. They have spoken to charities like

:06:32. > :06:35.the NSPCC but they have no specific experience with this particular,

:06:36. > :06:40.fairly unique problem. I'm being told now the website is live.

:06:41. > :06:44.Can I just say, this is part of a package of measures as well from the

:06:45. > :06:48.Government, so not only that but Nicky Morgan is also launching a

:06:49. > :06:52.consultation, lessons I suppose from what happened in the case of the

:06:53. > :06:56.girls of your clients, the idea is to look at ways that agencies, local

:06:57. > :07:11.authorities, the schools, can share information

:07:12. > :07:15.because at the moment when a child is withdrawn from school it is

:07:16. > :07:18.patchy in terms of finding out where they have gone, it is difficult to

:07:19. > :07:21.ascertain what has happened, and it is the realisation that it is not

:07:22. > :07:23.one single tactic but a package of measures to give a better chance of

:07:24. > :07:25.putting these things off early. About the lack of information, the

:07:26. > :07:28.headmaster of that particular school was in front of Parliament recently,

:07:29. > :07:30.in December, and informed us all that, despite having lost one child

:07:31. > :07:33.in December to Isis, three children in February, he only found out that

:07:34. > :07:38.four more children in his own school were wards of court and that

:07:39. > :07:41.passports were taken away from the BBC News. The idea that there are

:07:42. > :07:48.lessons to be learned, clearly there were lessons in December, February,

:07:49. > :07:52.and once again back in June. Let me bring in Jenny Smith, head teacher,

:07:53. > :07:55.and Dal Babu, former Metropolitan Police officer who works with

:07:56. > :07:59.families and children who have gone to Syria. What do you think of these

:08:00. > :08:03.ideas from Nicky Morgan, not just the website but the package of

:08:04. > :08:06.measures? My personal reaction is we've seen a lot of rhetoric from

:08:07. > :08:10.the Government and we need to see some substance, and it is difficult

:08:11. > :08:29.to respond to this package when none of us have seen it. As a lead

:08:30. > :08:33.professional in the issues in our communities and I would prefer to

:08:34. > :08:36.see a far more positive approach about engaging our young people more

:08:37. > :08:39.positively in our communities rather than labelling and stigmatising

:08:40. > :08:44.young people. What I see in schools is a lot of perception of being

:08:45. > :08:51.stigmatised, marginalised. What impact does that have on people's?

:08:52. > :08:57.It certainly makes them far less enthusiastic about engaging. There

:08:58. > :09:01.is a perception amongst some communities that they are being

:09:02. > :09:05.unfairly labelled and stigmatised. You are talking about Muslim people?

:09:06. > :09:10.I'm talking particularly at this moment in time about Muslim people,

:09:11. > :09:14.particularly Muslim males. There are a host of issues they are contending

:09:15. > :09:19.with and being unfairly labelled is another bone of contention for them,

:09:20. > :09:23.making it much harder for us as educators to engage with them more

:09:24. > :09:27.positively. What I would welcome is a far more integrated approach. I

:09:28. > :09:32.that, what do you mean, specifically? What I would like to

:09:33. > :09:38.see is all agencies working together more proactively. We have seen a

:09:39. > :09:42.huge scaling back in police services, in youth services. One of

:09:43. > :09:46.the things I'm very aware of is that there is nothing for young people to

:09:47. > :09:51.do in our communities. One of these safe places for them is in the

:09:52. > :09:56.Church or the mosque, which actually makes social segregation worse

:09:57. > :09:59.rather than making more integration. Dal Babu, your insight from working

:10:00. > :10:04.with families of children who have gone to Syria, where does this fit

:10:05. > :10:13.in, will it work? I would like to reiterate that we don't know the

:10:14. > :10:16.details, and it would have been helpful to have more consultation. I

:10:17. > :10:18.did see the press release and what struck me was the word community

:10:19. > :10:23.wasn't mentioned. Communities are the key to this. The fact we haven't

:10:24. > :10:26.had professionals like headteachers, apparently, we haven't seen a wider

:10:27. > :10:30.awareness. I know it is being launched at Bethnal, there is some

:10:31. > :10:32.irony in there. I think it is deliberate that they have

:10:33. > :10:37.irony in there. I think it is that school because people have left

:10:38. > :10:40.that school to go to Syria. It is ironic in the sense that we have

:10:41. > :10:44.lost four children from that school. There are other schools are sure

:10:45. > :10:47.that are doing a fantastic job and it would be helpful to look at what

:10:48. > :10:51.those individuals are doing. But I don't think the website alone will

:10:52. > :10:54.help, it is about making sure we have a partnership approach working

:10:55. > :10:58.with all of the different agencies will stop we have had considerable

:10:59. > :11:02.reduction in the public sector so some of those individuals working

:11:03. > :11:07.with vulnerable individuals aren't there. Let's say you are a parent

:11:08. > :11:14.worried about your 15-year-old son or daughter falling under this spell

:11:15. > :11:18.as Nicky Morgan puts it. You are not in touch with the police, you are a

:11:19. > :11:21.law-abiding family, not in touch with social services, there is no

:11:22. > :11:25.reason to be. As far as you know your child is going to school every

:11:26. > :11:31.day, because nobody any different. Why would you even log onto the

:11:32. > :11:36.website? To do what? The first thing is, talk to your kids. That is what

:11:37. > :11:41.I imagine any parent would do. How is it you come up with these ideas

:11:42. > :11:45.and what is it with the idea that home you are finding difficult, that

:11:46. > :11:48.is the first conversation. It is not, let's see what Teresa May has

:11:49. > :11:55.to say. That is the first problem. The real issue, we have been dealing

:11:56. > :12:02.with Prevent... This is the Government programme which aims to

:12:03. > :12:06.these radical young men and women who have become radicalised. It has

:12:07. > :12:11.been in force for over a decade now without much success. As it rolls on

:12:12. > :12:19.year-on-year it gathers more and more, not mosque but criticism. We

:12:20. > :12:25.keep peddling the same old vagueness without substance, and we have to

:12:26. > :12:29.say, it is time to stop and rethink what we are getting wrong. Jennie,

:12:30. > :12:32.you have talked about everybody being joined up, you have talked

:12:33. > :12:36.about getting the community involved. What other solutions are

:12:37. > :12:40.you suggesting that perhaps the Government hasn't thought of? First

:12:41. > :12:45.of all, having a debate that is honest. We are missing the elephant

:12:46. > :12:49.in the room, there is an on the minds of anybody who watches

:12:50. > :12:55.television. This is something Lord Prescott identified. Sorry to

:12:56. > :12:58.interrupt, you are confirming now that the two families that you

:12:59. > :13:01.represent whose daughters are somewhere in Syria, you said they

:13:02. > :13:08.watched the television news and you think that was partly responsible

:13:09. > :13:12.for them going to Syria? In terms of bringing the inquest into that

:13:13. > :13:17.particular area. No-one can avoid the pictures of drowning children,

:13:18. > :13:21.for example, on television that served to highlight the plight of

:13:22. > :13:26.Syrian people leaving and the dangers they face. Nobody could fail

:13:27. > :13:30.to have their hearts talked on the issue. Absolutely, but can you then

:13:31. > :13:35.imagine a child going to Syria without mentioning to their parents

:13:36. > :13:39.that they want to help, for example? This is the danger, once you have

:13:40. > :13:43.someone tuned to an issue of injustice, then where do they go? If

:13:44. > :13:46.they happen to take that strong emotion, not be to their families

:13:47. > :13:52.about it, not speak to schools because debate has been shut down...

:13:53. > :13:59.But most people would, surely, say, can we give to charity, can we... In

:14:00. > :14:03.some ways, if you look at the children that have gone, and these

:14:04. > :14:11.are children, 15 years old, they are very naive, they are unaware, and

:14:12. > :14:15.they get groomed. We seem to have a very, very different view around the

:14:16. > :14:18.grooming that has occurred in places like Oxford where children were

:14:19. > :14:25.appallingly abused. Sexually abused, yes. We think that is appalling, we

:14:26. > :14:28.say social services have failed, the police have failed, local

:14:29. > :14:31.authorities have a dog, we accept that, but we fail to appreciate how

:14:32. > :14:38.these children are groomed, vulnerable individuals are groomed.

:14:39. > :14:41.I have an open mind, if the website deliver something and helps

:14:42. > :14:45.teachers, police, we need to be positive about the Government doing

:14:46. > :14:50.that. I don't know if it will do. But the bottom line is, these

:14:51. > :14:54.children get groomed on the website, and there is a generation, my

:14:55. > :14:59.generation, who don't have the knowledge and the understanding that

:15:00. > :15:04.my daughters have. That is a very fair point, isn't it? I think it is

:15:05. > :15:09.a fair point but it also goes back to the idea that this is a bigger

:15:10. > :15:13.part of a bigger safeguarding remit and I think by putting this in a

:15:14. > :15:18.small box of extremist behaviour by a small group of society, it is

:15:19. > :15:23.actually quite dangerous because a lot of the causes we are seeing that

:15:24. > :15:26.falls pupils into all sorts of dangerous behaviours linked to

:15:27. > :15:30.similar courses and, as schools, we need to have a far more flexible

:15:31. > :15:38.approach to what these issues are, and we need to be trusted to be able

:15:39. > :15:41.to resolve them. Hitting these things with a blunt hammer will push

:15:42. > :15:47.pupils further away from us, rather than into us. What I would like is

:15:48. > :15:50.more time in our curriculum to tackle issues -based politics and

:15:51. > :15:54.issues affecting average young people, because they don't have the

:15:55. > :15:57.forums to discuss them and engage with them, which pushes them or to

:15:58. > :16:01.be peripheries, along with the fact that they don't have said spaces in

:16:02. > :16:05.the community is any more and school is probably one of the few safe

:16:06. > :16:08.spaces that they have. It is absolutely critical we are allowed

:16:09. > :16:14.the flexibility to be able to do that.

:16:15. > :16:19.Stop segregation in schools by religion, that means also strict

:16:20. > :16:25.uniform policy is backed by legislation that prohibits religious

:16:26. > :16:32.symbols and religious attire. According to one viewer. Start

:16:33. > :16:36.teaching that the UK does not have the right to invade anywhere, says

:16:37. > :16:44.one other viewer. Thank you very much rejoining us.

:16:45. > :16:48.If you'd like to access the material that we have been talking about, you

:16:49. > :17:09.can go to the website. Still to come, we will be talking

:17:10. > :17:12.with a woman who had the -- who had no idea that she was in a

:17:13. > :17:15.relationship with an undercover policeman. And we will look at why

:17:16. > :17:20.the pollsters got the election result so wrong.

:17:21. > :17:23.The government is launching a new drive to protect children

:17:24. > :17:26.in English schools from being radicalised.

:17:27. > :17:28.It includes a new "educate against hate" website,

:17:29. > :17:45.with information for schools and parents.

:17:46. > :17:48.China has recorded its weakest economic growth rate in twenty-five

:17:49. > :17:51.years - confirming the fears of global investors over the country's

:17:52. > :18:00.slowdown. Its economy grew by 6.9% in 2015, compared with 7.3% a year

:18:01. > :18:02.earlier. An inquiry into why pollsters failed to predict the

:18:03. > :18:04.result of last year's general election has blamed unrepresentative

:18:05. > :18:05.samples. A panel of experts found that the polling companies didn't

:18:06. > :18:06.survey enough Conservative supporters.

:18:07. > :18:10.The film director Spike Lee and the actress

:18:11. > :18:12.Jada Pinkett Smith say they will boycott the Oscars

:18:13. > :18:13.after no black actors were nominated

:18:14. > :18:24.The Academy has said it will change the selection process.

:18:25. > :18:28.And the guitarist and songwriter, Glenn Frey, has died at the age of

:18:29. > :18:39.67. He co-founded the Eagles in 1971 and co-wrote the group's biggest

:18:40. > :18:42.hit, Hotel California. Let's catch up with all the tennis at the

:18:43. > :18:46.australian open and join Ore. Good start to these very and open for

:18:47. > :18:50.Andy Murray, he has his campaign for 2016 up and running, it is the

:18:51. > :18:54.tournament he has lost four times in the final, is hoping that it will be

:18:55. > :18:58.fifth time lucky this time around, he played the German teenager,

:18:59. > :19:07.Alexander Zverev, he won pretty convincingly. Even better news for

:19:08. > :19:10.Johanna Konta, she has full of RGB the biggest win of her career,

:19:11. > :19:16.beating the seven time grand slam champion Venus Williams, in the

:19:17. > :19:21.first round, eighth seed, probably not the best time of her career but

:19:22. > :19:26.still, no less a wonderful champion. Huge win for Johanna Konta. Less

:19:27. > :19:33.good news, Dan Evans and Addie Ashburn LA are both out. We have had

:19:34. > :19:39.a huge shock as well, in the men's draw, this morning, in the stray Lee

:19:40. > :19:44.and open, the 2009 champion and 14 time grand slam champion Rafa Nadal

:19:45. > :19:49.has been knocked out by Fernando Verdasco, fellow Spaniard, in

:19:50. > :19:56.absolute thriller. -- Aljaz Bedene. More thrilling if Fernando Verdasco

:19:57. > :20:00.-- more thrilling for Fernando Verdasco. Shrugging his shoulders

:20:01. > :20:05.and backing away from the tournament that he won in 2009. Andy Murray,

:20:06. > :20:08.this is one he has said, we will have that at 10am, he has been

:20:09. > :20:17.speaking in regard into allegations of match fixing in tennis.

:20:18. > :20:19.How do we try to stop child abuse

:20:20. > :20:21.What interventions can be made earlier?

:20:22. > :20:24.Labour are launching a website today which aims to make child abuse

:20:25. > :20:28.Shadow Home Office Minister Sarah Champion

:20:29. > :20:31.As are Matthew McVerish, who was sexually abused

:20:32. > :20:34.by his uncle, a teacher, for a number of years from the age

:20:35. > :20:36.of 7, and Danielle McKinney, who was raped several times,

:20:37. > :20:39.in her early teen, she lived in a children's home at that time.

:20:40. > :20:43.Both of them have waived their right to anonymity to speak with us today.

:20:44. > :20:48.Sarah let's start with you, what are you trying to achieve here?

:20:49. > :20:54.It is a grand thing to say but I want to prevent child abuse, I have

:20:55. > :20:57.got really frustrated that as a society we have accepted that it is

:20:58. > :21:03.inevitable, that is not true, we get I rate when we see the prosecutions

:21:04. > :21:06.and whose full and who failed, but why can't we put that same passion

:21:07. > :21:10.into actively trying to prevent child abuse, giving children the

:21:11. > :21:16.tools so that they can recognise when they are being manipulated,

:21:17. > :21:19.giving parents the understanding of the signs they are looking for,

:21:20. > :21:27.Impala in society, that is what we're to do. -- empowering society.

:21:28. > :21:33.You have your own experiences, you may have questions about whether

:21:34. > :21:38.that admirable, laudable ambition is possible, what you say? To prevent

:21:39. > :21:43.child abuse, some of the things you have said, sounds like focusing on

:21:44. > :21:47.the children in the aftermath of when the abuse has already happened,

:21:48. > :21:53.this new campaign will reach out to people who are potential threat to

:21:54. > :21:55.children, I hope, not just another awareness campaign about abuse

:21:56. > :22:00.already happening. You are right, that is my frustration, once the

:22:01. > :22:03.crime has happened everyone says, how awful, but a life has been

:22:04. > :22:07.damaged, and some lives are irreparably damaged. What it is

:22:08. > :22:12.about, and the earliest point, for me, I spoke with a lot of survivors

:22:13. > :22:16.and young people, the education they are getting, the support they are

:22:17. > :22:20.getting, is inadequate. From the youngest age, as soon as we go to

:22:21. > :22:25.prime risk all, if you would talk about respect and boundaries, the

:22:26. > :22:32.NSPCC has a great campaign called Pants, it says what is in your pants

:22:33. > :22:34.is yours and if any body goes in there without your permission, then

:22:35. > :22:40.this is what you need to do about it. What you said about letting

:22:41. > :22:49.young children know what abuse is before it happens is a very good

:22:50. > :22:53.idea. Yet again, exactly what you have said today, I have heard a

:22:54. > :22:59.million times, the 15 years, it gets boring. But I do agree that allowing

:23:00. > :23:04.a child to know what is abuse from the age of two, three, four years

:23:05. > :23:10.old, upwards, that is a good idea, and a possible step forward. This is

:23:11. > :23:15.the frustration, we have heard it all before and nothing seems to

:23:16. > :23:19.change. One of the reasons that that is the resources there are, they go

:23:20. > :23:24.on the prosecutions. Rather than on education. Having the confidence

:23:25. > :23:29.that young people can actually make informed choices, but at the moment,

:23:30. > :23:32.how can they do that, the young people I have spoken with, where are

:23:33. > :23:36.they getting their advice for relationships? The Internet, a lot

:23:37. > :23:41.of them are discovering that through online pornography which is

:23:42. > :23:44.aggressive and has some extreme stuff, or through sending six text

:23:45. > :23:49.messages, they are talking to each other, researching on the Internet,

:23:50. > :23:52.to find out what is an acceptable relationship. I have found out that

:23:53. > :23:56.young people, their acceptance of violence in their relationship has

:23:57. > :24:00.gone through the roof, that is what they see in online pornography. It

:24:01. > :24:04.frustrates me, and I'm sure, the two of you, you will have heard

:24:05. > :24:09.experience, you will have been asked, why did you report it sooner,

:24:10. > :24:12.and it is because you are a child, how are you meant to know if

:24:13. > :24:15.somebody close to you is doing this because they love you, that you have

:24:16. > :24:22.got to keep secret, nobody will believe you. Why are we putting the

:24:23. > :24:26.responsibility onto a child, we are not giving them the tools to do

:24:27. > :24:30.something about it. It is not just the responsibility of the child to

:24:31. > :24:35.disclose, I was abuse throughout my childhood, until I was 13, it

:24:36. > :24:39.stopped in 1996, I did not make a report until I was 25, 2008, you

:24:40. > :24:43.have got to look at why the adult population who have been sexually

:24:44. > :24:48.abused are not coming forward. A lot of the time, I looked at the

:24:49. > :24:52.campaign being put together, and the findings from the discussions that

:24:53. > :24:55.you can hold, that is going to influence policy in preventing

:24:56. > :25:01.violence against women and girls. If you look at the talks, violence

:25:02. > :25:03.against women and girls is perpetrated by men, so if the

:25:04. > :25:10.government, if the opposition wanted to invest resources in doubling the

:25:11. > :25:12.emotional psychological services available to men and boys, then we

:25:13. > :25:18.would see a reduction in violence against women and men. In the UK, a

:25:19. > :25:24.lot of people approach me, asking me where to find help, and also where

:25:25. > :25:27.you can find emotional and psychological report. If you had

:25:28. > :25:34.been a woman or gay, I could have found free services, as an adult

:25:35. > :25:37.man, there is a lack of where we go. As a result of that, suicide is the

:25:38. > :25:44.biggest cause of death for men between 25 and 40. Why are we not

:25:45. > :25:49.investing in that? People who are perpetrating this violence? They do

:25:50. > :25:56.not have that help. Every child is different. Every child needs therapy

:25:57. > :26:05.and psychological help specific to their need. I know that you feel

:26:06. > :26:09.passionately about that but that is after summary has been abused. What

:26:10. > :26:14.they are trying to do is somehow prevent it happening. In the first

:26:15. > :26:19.place. Thinking back to when you were young, you said, your abuse

:26:20. > :26:27.began at the age of seven years old, that is unbelievable. Your

:26:28. > :26:37.experience was different, you were in a children's home. It was mostly

:26:38. > :26:40.outside of the home. I can say how it feels, because even though I have

:26:41. > :26:46.been quite blase with my story, there is loads of little details,

:26:47. > :26:51.when I was seven, I went to the next neighbour, to ask for a ball from

:26:52. > :26:56.the garden, he put his hand on my back, and he went down, and he said,

:26:57. > :27:00.you do not have any knickers on... I did, but he was an obvious

:27:01. > :27:05.paedophile, I did not tell my mother for a whole year, why not? I ran

:27:06. > :27:09.away, but I did not think I was going to be believed. I did not how

:27:10. > :27:20.to articulate it, I was too embarrassed. I know the feelings.

:27:21. > :27:24.That is a scary place to be. This is not a campaign that is saying it is

:27:25. > :27:29.the child's responsibility to report, what I am saying is that a

:27:30. > :27:33.child needs to know about boundaries and limitations, boys and girls, to

:27:34. > :27:36.try to help them identify what is going wrong and when something is

:27:37. > :27:41.going wrong but also to know how to deal with people in the future. What

:27:42. > :27:47.I want to do is get child abuse out of the shadows, because it is a

:27:48. > :27:50.parents responsibility, it is society's responsibility, if they

:27:51. > :27:55.see something about which they are unsure, a bit odd, if you CH I'll in

:27:56. > :28:00.an inappropriate situation with an adult, if you know a child, and

:28:01. > :28:04.their character has changed suddenly, you have a responsibility

:28:05. > :28:07.to do something about that, on the website there are signs to spot

:28:08. > :28:12.whether a child is being groomed or abused, subjected to online abuse.

:28:13. > :28:16.You know that most older and are abused by family members, or

:28:17. > :28:23.certainly, people within their circle of trust. Headteacher, next

:28:24. > :28:27.door neighbour. Whatever it may be. Those are the adults with

:28:28. > :28:31.responsibility around that child. I will be interested to hear if they

:28:32. > :28:38.tried to report it to adults and what the response was. The survivors

:28:39. > :28:44.I spoke with, they tried and tried and tried but adults did not want to

:28:45. > :28:53.know. You were much older when you decided... Talking about the quality

:28:54. > :28:58.of silence, why is it people do not speak about this. I was in a

:28:59. > :29:01.catholic high school in the west of Scotland, 20 years ago, that is

:29:02. > :29:05.quite a conservative religious environment, at that time a lot of

:29:06. > :29:09.homophobia, I was terrified of speaking about this publicly in case

:29:10. > :29:14.my friends found out I had had sexual contact with someone of the

:29:15. > :29:27.same six. The problem is, many countries I have worked in, the

:29:28. > :29:34.areas where they work against LGBTQIA causes, it is problematic.

:29:35. > :29:40.This is promoting healthy public discussion with difficult sexual

:29:41. > :29:41.matters. I commend them for it. Thank you for coming onto the

:29:42. > :30:10.programme, thank you very much. A woman whose partner was in fact an

:30:11. > :30:13.undercover cop talks to us live about the shock of finding out the

:30:14. > :30:19.truth Why did the pollsters get it so wrong in the last election,

:30:20. > :30:21.consistently predicting a virtual dead heat between labour and the

:30:22. > :30:23.Conservatives, when the Conservatives won with a twelve seat

:30:24. > :30:24.majority? It meant almost everyone thought there was going to be some

:30:25. > :30:29.kind of Coalition Government. I think there are

:30:30. > :30:30.four possibilities. The first is the exit poll is right

:30:31. > :30:34.and all the polls that came out in the last 24 hours -

:30:35. > :30:38.ours is one of 11 - all 11 should consider

:30:39. > :30:40.neck and neck. What exactly is a coalition

:30:41. > :30:43.and a hung parliament? I'm quite new to politics,

:30:44. > :30:45.so if it could be explained, Basically a hung parliament

:30:46. > :30:52.is as the idea suggests, it's kind of hanging

:30:53. > :30:54.there without anyone actually in charge because no one has

:30:55. > :31:00.an overall majority. So if you have an election where no

:31:01. > :31:03.one party has got half of the House of Commons,

:31:04. > :31:05.that is a hung parliament. You have to look around

:31:06. > :31:08.for some sort of deal, so someone can cobble together half

:31:09. > :31:11.of the MPs so you can get So a coalition tends to be

:31:12. > :31:15.where more than one party agrees with another party to work together,

:31:16. > :31:18.so they can have a majority So a hung parliament is,

:31:19. > :31:34.no-one's in charge. Coalition is, you've got a deal

:31:35. > :31:36.so someone is in charge. So that kind of involves two

:31:37. > :31:39.parties, it could involve more And that is what is most fascinating

:31:40. > :31:42.about this election, I think most people reckon we're

:31:43. > :31:45.heading down hung parliament country, which means there will have

:31:46. > :31:47.to be some sort of deal, We've never really been in this

:31:48. > :31:51.sort of situation before and the potential for complete

:31:52. > :31:53.uncertainty is immense. So although we are having

:31:54. > :31:55.an election, we're very interested in that, in a funny sort of way,

:31:56. > :31:59.the most interesting time might actually be the days

:32:00. > :32:01.and weeks after the election. Second possibility, the exit poll

:32:02. > :32:03.is wrong and the other Third possibility, something

:32:04. > :32:19.happened today, YouGov re-questioned 6000 people today

:32:20. > :32:21.and we could find no sign of any net movement

:32:22. > :32:23.in any direction. So I think we can rule out

:32:24. > :32:26.and on the day shift. The difficulty is, all the parties

:32:27. > :32:29.are deeply, deeply reluctant to draw firm redlines in the sand

:32:30. > :32:31.because they know they're going to have two strikes some

:32:32. > :32:34.bargains, but they don't know who they are going to have two

:32:35. > :32:36.strike bargains with. So they don't want to lock

:32:37. > :32:39.themselves into a room The striking thing yesterday

:32:40. > :32:42.with Nick Clegg, when we had his manifesto, he put on the front

:32:43. > :32:45.page his key five priorities. We were all asking

:32:46. > :32:48.him, your redlines? And again and again he would say,

:32:49. > :32:52.no, no, we're not in the business of red lines and they want

:32:53. > :32:54.to leave their options open. Fourth possibility, the truth

:32:55. > :32:56.is somewhere in the middle. The parties go into election saying

:32:57. > :32:59.we may well be in coalition with another party and this

:33:00. > :33:02.will affect what we promise. You've got to accept

:33:03. > :33:07.the compromises and nature of it because no one

:33:08. > :33:09.is going to win Voters aren't there and our

:33:10. > :33:14.politicians certainly aren't there. Saying they were going

:33:15. > :33:17.for an all-out win and every single poll suggest it's going

:33:18. > :33:19.to be a hung parliament. First with our exit poll,

:33:20. > :33:22.which I cannot reveal Remember this is an exit poll,

:33:23. > :33:26.very carefully calculated, But here it is, 10pm,

:33:27. > :33:30.and we are saying the Conservatives And here are the figures

:33:31. > :33:33.which we have. Up nine since the last

:33:34. > :33:44.election in 2010. Ed Miliband for Labour,

:33:45. > :33:50.77 behind him, 239. We are joined by the former leader

:33:51. > :33:57.of the Liberal Democrats, the man who ran Nick Clegg's

:33:58. > :34:00.campaign in the 2015 election, If this exit poll is

:34:01. > :34:06.anywhere near right, this is beyond your

:34:07. > :34:08.worst nightmares? If this exit poll is right, Andrew,

:34:09. > :34:11.I will publicly eat my hat Yes, you can get the hat providing

:34:12. > :34:22.it is made of marzipan. What you have seen in the last 24

:34:23. > :34:26.hours, I think there is a YouGov poll out now which gives us not ten

:34:27. > :34:29.seats, not 20 seats, So one or other of these two polls,

:34:30. > :34:39.either the exit poll And I'll bet you my hat

:34:40. > :34:44.eaten on your programme, We saw our political guru

:34:45. > :34:53.Norman Smith in that piece, let's talk to him

:34:54. > :35:02.now in Westminster. Go on, why did they get it so wrong?

:35:03. > :35:07.How embarrassing, how humiliating, completely, totally, utterly wrong.

:35:08. > :35:11.I should resign, I'm sorry! The only thing I could stay in my defence is

:35:12. > :35:15.everyone else also got it wrong! One of the heads of the polling

:35:16. > :35:22.companies afterwards, at 10pm, when the results came in, tweeted just

:35:23. > :35:27.two words, which were oh... Because he knew it was a catastrophe for the

:35:28. > :35:31.polling companies. So why did they get it so wrong? Kind of obviously,

:35:32. > :35:39.they spoke to the wrong people. The people they sampled to get their

:35:40. > :35:43.views on were far too many young Labour leaning voters, not nearly

:35:44. > :35:48.enough older Conservative inclined voters. Why? Because older voters

:35:49. > :35:52.are harder to reach. Many of them are not Internet savvy so they do

:35:53. > :35:58.not respond to online polling, many of them were more inclined to put

:35:59. > :36:02.the phone down for telephone polling. Apparently it was harder to

:36:03. > :36:06.get Conservative voters to answer the door if you knocked on the door,

:36:07. > :36:12.you would have to go two or three times, so it was harder to reach

:36:13. > :36:16.Conservative voters. Also the BCB factor, business people,

:36:17. > :36:23.professionals, busy lives just didn't have time to take part in the

:36:24. > :36:29.polls, -- the busy bee factor, and they were perhaps more likely to

:36:30. > :36:32.vote Conservative. Also, the herding factor, the polling companies by and

:36:33. > :36:35.large acted like sheep, stuck together because they did not want

:36:36. > :36:39.to go out on a limb, so they were all looking at over their shoulders

:36:40. > :36:44.to see what the other companies were doing and all came up with broadly

:36:45. > :36:47.the same result. But undeniably the major factor was not listening and

:36:48. > :36:53.polling enough older people. That was pretty much at knowledge this

:36:54. > :36:58.morning by Joe Twyman of the polling organisation you go.

:36:59. > :37:03.We are looking to, over the coming weeks, months and years, to recruit

:37:04. > :37:07.more people in a more targeted manner, so more young people who are

:37:08. > :37:11.disengaged politics, for instance, and more older people. We do have

:37:12. > :37:14.them on the panel but need to work harder to make sure they are

:37:15. > :37:17.represented sufficiently in our surveys because it is clear they

:37:18. > :37:24.weren't at the election. This is not just a dry academic

:37:25. > :37:28.analysis, this matters hugely because there is a view that,

:37:29. > :37:32.because the polls were predicting a hung parliament, that actually may

:37:33. > :37:37.have helped the Conservatives because you remember one of the key

:37:38. > :37:41.strategies, one of the key lines of their attack in the election was the

:37:42. > :37:45.suggestion that Ed Miliband would be in hock to Alex Salmond. Do you

:37:46. > :37:52.remember this post? Ed Miliband in the pocket of Alex Salmond, the

:37:53. > :37:56.thinking there would be a hung parliament so Ed Miliband would be

:37:57. > :37:59.looking around for someone to do a deal with, and it would be Alex

:38:00. > :38:06.Salmond said they would be in hock to the SNP. Labour are clear it

:38:07. > :38:11.damaged them. The former Labour Camelon Minister Ben Brad Sewell put

:38:12. > :38:16.out a Tweet this morning -- Ben Bradshaw saying that the

:38:17. > :38:20.commentators, people like me, are too relaxed with the pollsters'

:38:21. > :38:25.failure, which affected the result. The election dominated I hung

:38:26. > :38:30.parliament talk instead of likely Tory majority, in other words there

:38:31. > :38:33.are Labour folk who believe the way the pollsters reported the election

:38:34. > :38:38.may have affected the outcome. I'm sitting here with Norman Lamb Armour

:38:39. > :38:45.former Lib Dem Minister. Do you buy the argument that this consensus

:38:46. > :38:51.amongst pollsters that it would be a hung parliament may have shaped the

:38:52. > :38:56.result? Yes, completely. First of all, I'm self-aware enough to know

:38:57. > :39:01.that we were going to get a hit as a result of being in coalition, but I

:39:02. > :39:04.have absolutely no doubt that in our seats that the Tories were

:39:05. > :39:09.targeting, with an incredible investment, they took advantage of a

:39:10. > :39:12.loophole in the rules about limits on local election spending because

:39:13. > :39:17.they didn't mention their local candidate they just focused on the

:39:18. > :39:22.national message, and that was the key message for them. It was a

:39:23. > :39:27.combination of enormous investment, constant mailshots to our voters

:39:28. > :39:30.saying, don't risk Ed Miliband being in Government, together with polls

:39:31. > :39:33.showing it would be a hung parliament, which reinforced their

:39:34. > :39:36.message that there was a risk of this happening and people, out of

:39:37. > :39:41.fear, chose to vote Conservative because they thought it would take

:39:42. > :39:45.the threat away. Are we in danger of now exaggerating that? It might have

:39:46. > :39:51.been a factor but did it actually result in Mr Cameron winning? I

:39:52. > :39:55.think it certainly was a significant factor. I could feel it in my own

:39:56. > :40:01.constituency, that last week there was a really significant shift of

:40:02. > :40:06.opinion. I know there was the conclusion that this overall wasn't

:40:07. > :40:11.a big factor that people in my constituency, I know, were really

:40:12. > :40:15.fearful in that final week of the consequences of electing Ed Miliband

:40:16. > :40:19.looked over by Nicola Sturgeon, and so with that fear in their minds

:40:20. > :40:23.many of them went out and voted Conservative, which resulted in far

:40:24. > :40:27.more losses than I think we would otherwise have suffered. One other

:40:28. > :40:31.thing which, from my point of view, a journalistic point of view, is

:40:32. > :40:36.that we journalists focused so much of our questions on the hung

:40:37. > :40:43.parliament idea, and I wonder whether we did a disservice to

:40:44. > :40:48.voters insofar as it meant we didn't really focus on the policies, what

:40:49. > :40:51.it would mean, for example, to have a Conservative majority Government

:40:52. > :40:55.because we were always asking about a hung parliament. Guilty as

:40:56. > :40:59.charged. It was the only game in town, the only thing the comment

:41:00. > :41:03.area was talking about. At the voters focused a bit more on the

:41:04. > :41:08.threat to the health service, the fact of the ?12 billion of welfare

:41:09. > :41:12.cuts and so on, then they may have thought in a more balanced way about

:41:13. > :41:16.the consequences of electing a majority Conservative Government. As

:41:17. > :41:19.it was, people, I think, thought it was as close to the status quo as

:41:20. > :41:25.they could get to and didn't want to take a big risk. OK, thank you very

:41:26. > :41:29.much indeed. All I think we can say in our defence is, we won't be

:41:30. > :41:33.fooled again. I think next time we journalists are going to be much

:41:34. > :41:39.more cautious about polls, we will take them all with a pinch of salt.

:41:40. > :41:43.And, you know, there may be an argument that maybe polls have had

:41:44. > :41:49.their day, maybe they are past their sell by date and maybe people when

:41:50. > :41:53.they are questioned by pollsters just become fly to opinion polls and

:41:54. > :41:56.look to send a message about giving the Government a kicking, looking

:41:57. > :42:00.for a particular headline, rather than being honest about what they

:42:01. > :42:02.will do when they go in the polling booth.

:42:03. > :42:07.I will never believe a political opinion poll ever again as a result

:42:08. > :42:14.of what happened, I'm serious! Thank you, Norman and Norman.

:42:15. > :42:17.The Oscars are going to review their membership criteria after no black

:42:18. > :42:18.actors or actresses were nominated for the second year running in any

:42:19. > :42:22.of the main categories. Spike Lee and Jada Pinkett Smith

:42:23. > :42:33.say they'll boycott Maybe it is time that we pull back

:42:34. > :42:36.of a re-sources and put them back into our communities, into our

:42:37. > :42:45.programmes, and we make programmes for ourselves that acknowledge us in

:42:46. > :42:49.ways that we see fit that are just as good as the so-called mainstream

:42:50. > :42:52.ones. This is what you think about the

:42:53. > :42:57.boycott and the fact there were no black actors nominated. Janet,

:42:58. > :43:01.surely the Oscar-nominated are chosen on merit, not colour?

:43:02. > :43:04.Matt on Facebook says, I thought Oscars were handed out for a good

:43:05. > :43:08.film, not just because the actors or directors were not white.

:43:09. > :43:12.Sour grapes from the black actors boycotting the ceremony this year,

:43:13. > :43:15.do they want a separate category for non-white actors?

:43:16. > :43:22.Andrea says, the music industry has separate awards for black musicians

:43:23. > :43:24.come if that isn't discrimination I don't know what is.

:43:25. > :43:25.Christopher, why should someone be nominated for the colour of their

:43:26. > :43:30.skin? That is the feeling is so far from

:43:31. > :43:31.you. Any more comments, do send them in.

:43:32. > :43:34.Later in the programme we'll bring you an interview with the director

:43:35. > :43:40.We will get his view on the boycott bike Spike Lee and Jaeger Pinkett

:43:41. > :43:51.Smith. Time for the weather, and Carol is

:43:52. > :43:58.here. A long walk over, I will take my time! You look so summary!

:43:59. > :44:02.It is not summary outside, it is freezing! I will show you some

:44:03. > :44:06.pictures to start with, isn't that beautiful? Sent in by one of our

:44:07. > :44:14.weather Watchers, beautiful sunrise, another from Lincolnshire. It has

:44:15. > :44:26.been a cold start of the day, frosty as well, in fact we have had the

:44:27. > :44:30.coldest night of winter so far. -12 in Kimbrace in the Scottish

:44:31. > :44:35.Highlands. England has had his coldest night, -8 in Benson. You

:44:36. > :44:39.might be asking, why is it so called? Because we have had clear

:44:40. > :44:46.skies. Have you noticed that there is a real build-up in static

:44:47. > :44:50.electricity at the moment? It is tied in because when we have got

:44:51. > :44:54.clearer skies the hair is dry and there is not the cloud to produce

:44:55. > :45:00.moisture or rain, acting as a blanket to maintain temperature

:45:01. > :45:07.levels overnight. Dry air does not hold as much moisture, and moisture

:45:08. > :45:10.is a good conductor of electricity. When the air is moist, the

:45:11. > :45:14.electricity is discharged much more frequently than when the air is dry,

:45:15. > :45:19.as it is that the moment. So we have got cheap carpet and cheap shoes,

:45:20. > :45:23.building up a charge in the same way as rubbing a balloon and putting it

:45:24. > :45:26.against Jorge to make it stand on end, static electricity. If I were

:45:27. > :45:31.to touch UI would probably get a shock, and you. I would have very

:45:32. > :45:38.long arms, stretching over their! I feel like we should test that!

:45:39. > :45:40.But let's not. So that is why we currently have a lot of static

:45:41. > :45:51.electricity. And their ends the lesson!

:45:52. > :45:57.It is cold, it has been a cold start, -12.4 in the Highlands, it

:45:58. > :46:02.means we got off to a bright start for some, with some sunshine,

:46:03. > :46:06.forecast has changed in the last 30 minutes, what we are looking at,

:46:07. > :46:10.instead of wall-to-wall blue skies in southern areas, through the

:46:11. > :46:15.course of the afternoon, more clout, we already have that scenario, the

:46:16. > :46:20.cloud is romping south, Templars may not even be as high as we have seen

:46:21. > :46:23.in the chart, some may even struggle to break freezing. In the

:46:24. > :46:28.south-west, a bit more clout, temperatures that little bit higher,

:46:29. > :46:31.as we move into Wales, there will be some sunny breaks but also more

:46:32. > :46:34.clout than you can see on the charts. Cloud across northern

:46:35. > :46:38.England as well and Northern Ireland and southern Scotland, brighter

:46:39. > :46:42.skies across the far and north of Scotland, once again, where we have

:46:43. > :46:46.had extremely low temperatures, there will not rise particularly

:46:47. > :46:49.quickly, all gets too high levels during the course of the day. As we

:46:50. > :46:52.head through the evening and overnight, like the nights just

:46:53. > :46:58.gone, breaks in the cloud, temperatures tumbling, and mist and

:46:59. > :47:00.fog patches moving as well. Possibly problematic and we will keep an eye

:47:01. > :47:12.on that during the course of the day. Look at the levels in Scotland:

:47:13. > :47:18.in between, where we have clout, courtesy of this weather front, that

:47:19. > :47:22.means temperatures will not be as low. High pressure with us tomorrow,

:47:23. > :47:27.effectively blocking the systems coming in from the Atlantic.

:47:28. > :47:31.Tomorrow, yes, similar to today, it will be cold and frosty to begin

:47:32. > :47:34.with, one or two showers and variable amounts of cloud around,

:47:35. > :47:40.temperatures between two, three and 4 degrees. South-west bad seeing as

:47:41. > :47:45.high as seven Celsius. Moving on into Thursday, similar story, it is

:47:46. > :47:49.going to be a cold start to the day, brightest conditions will be across

:47:50. > :47:52.central and eastern areas, to the west, there will be more clout

:47:53. > :47:59.around and we will see some showers. You can see the change, southerly

:48:00. > :48:03.wind coming in. -- cloud. Moving from Thursday into Friday, again,

:48:04. > :48:07.the timing of this could change but this is what we think at the moment,

:48:08. > :48:12.Atlantic front romping in, the isobars squeezed together, we have

:48:13. > :48:16.wet and windy conditions coming our way, and also, milder, and then

:48:17. > :48:20.behind it, brighter skies. Mains unsettled into the weekend. --

:48:21. > :48:28.remains. Hello it's tuesday,

:48:29. > :48:32.it's just after ten, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:48:33. > :48:35.welcome to the programme if you've A woman who was duped

:48:36. > :48:39.into a relationship tells us she was 'personally

:48:40. > :48:43.betrayed' and still wants answers. Here's the former cop she fell

:48:44. > :48:49.in love with. We both supported each other through

:48:50. > :48:52.some very difficult times in our personal lives, it is just very sad,

:48:53. > :48:53.the way that we fell in love and that it happened to be under the

:48:54. > :49:02.circumstances. Also coming up, for the second year

:49:03. > :49:05.running NO black actors have been nominated for any of the main Oscars

:49:06. > :49:08.and the director Spike Lee says he'll boycott the ceremony

:49:09. > :49:10.describing it as "lily white". Jada Pinkett Smith

:49:11. > :49:15.is doing the same: Maybe it is time that we pulled back

:49:16. > :49:16.our resources and we put them back into our communities, into our

:49:17. > :49:22.programmes. Keep your views on that

:49:23. > :49:25.story coming in, you can get in touch

:49:26. > :49:27.in the usual ways, including twitter which is now

:49:28. > :49:34.back up and running. New figures show the cost of living

:49:35. > :49:37.has gone up with the prices we pay

:49:38. > :49:39.for goods and services higher than they were at

:49:40. > :49:41.this time last year. Inflation edged up to its highest

:49:42. > :49:48.level for nearly a year last month with the Consumer Prices

:49:49. > :49:50.Index rising to 0.2%. Air fares were the main contributors

:49:51. > :49:53.to the rise but alcohol, The Government's launching

:49:54. > :50:05.a new website to try to help combat Islamic extremism

:50:06. > :50:12.in English schools. The Educate Against Hate

:50:13. > :50:13.site includes advice

:50:14. > :50:20.for teachers and parents. China has recorded its weakest

:50:21. > :50:23.economic growth rate in 25 years confirming the fears

:50:24. > :50:24.of global investors over Its economy grew by 6.9% in 2015,

:50:25. > :50:28.compared with 7.3% a year earlier. An inquiry into why pollsters failed

:50:29. > :50:31.to predict last year's Conservative general election win has blamed

:50:32. > :50:33.unrepresentative samples. that the polling companies

:50:34. > :50:45.didn't survey The film director Spike Lee

:50:46. > :50:51.and the actress Jada Pinkett Smith say they'll boycott the Oscars

:50:52. > :50:53.after no black actors were nominated The head of the American Academy has

:50:54. > :51:01.promised "dramatic change." And The Eagles' guitarist

:51:02. > :51:03.and songwriter, Glenn Frey, and co-wrote the group's biggest

:51:04. > :51:42.hit, Hotel California. The two British number ones up and

:51:43. > :51:46.running in the spreading open campaign, Andy Murray making light

:51:47. > :51:50.work of Alexander Zverev, the German teenager, the day must go to Johanna

:51:51. > :51:54.Konta, pulling off one of the biggest victories of her career,

:51:55. > :51:59.beating the seven time grand slam champion, Venus Williams. Let's talk

:52:00. > :52:02.to our tennis correspondent Russell Fuller, who's in Melbourne. Venus

:52:03. > :52:06.Williams is not the player that she used to be, but it was a big victory

:52:07. > :52:12.for Johanna Konta, she is on a roll after last year. Venus Williams is

:52:13. > :52:16.35 now, she was in terrific form last year but she's not the same

:52:17. > :52:19.player that was playing so well on tour, the Anaconda, winning in

:52:20. > :52:25.straight sets against the seven time grand slam champion, what a change

:52:26. > :52:28.we have seen from her in the last 12 months, looks like she plays very

:52:29. > :52:33.confidently playing against the very best players in the sport on the

:52:34. > :52:38.greatest stage. She was a comfortable winner at the Rod Laver

:52:39. > :52:45.arena. She looked very short. -- Johanna Konta. Andy Murray was

:52:46. > :52:48.pretty comfortable as well, good win for him, but straight after the

:52:49. > :52:54.match he was quick to talk about this controversy surrounding tennis.

:52:55. > :52:59.-- she looks very assured. Match fixing allegations by Buzzfeed and

:53:00. > :53:02.BBC, Andy Murray has said that he never personally was approached to

:53:03. > :53:06.throw a match, he said he was not surprised that top 50 players had

:53:07. > :53:10.been implicated and his biggest message to the tennis authorities

:53:11. > :53:14.was that buyers of whatever age need more education, they need to be

:53:15. > :53:20.warned more about the potential risks of getting involved with the

:53:21. > :53:24.betting syndicates. I do think it is important that players are educated

:53:25. > :53:28.from a very young age about not just how damaging it can be to their

:53:29. > :53:32.career but how damaging it can be to the integrity of the whole sport.

:53:33. > :53:38.You hope that it is not widespread. I do not know what " widespread"

:53:39. > :53:43.means, I don't know how many matches that means. But one is too many,

:53:44. > :53:48.although it is a negative story, it is good in a way, because it makes

:53:49. > :53:55.tennis have to do more, and do something about it. Andy Murray will

:53:56. > :53:58.get back to doing his talking on the court against Sam Groth in the next

:53:59. > :54:03.couple of days but Rafa Nadal will not be doing any more tennis talking

:54:04. > :54:07.to the rest of the tournament, out to Fernando Verdasco, which is a

:54:08. > :54:12.huge shock, but he has not been doing his best in the grand slam

:54:13. > :54:16.APPLAUSE Last year was a struggle, so many illnesses and injuries the

:54:17. > :54:22.year before but was beginning to rediscover his best form. -- doing

:54:23. > :54:29.his best in the grand slams. 90 winners by Fernando Verdasco, came

:54:30. > :54:32.from 2-1 down in the deciding set to win 6-2 in four hours, 40 minutes,

:54:33. > :54:37.involved, aggressive, breathtaking tennis. Another big upset in the

:54:38. > :54:43.last hour, Simona Halep, world number two, beaten by a Chinese

:54:44. > :54:49.qualifier, and what is remarkable about that is that prior to today,

:54:50. > :54:54.she had lost all 14 grand slam first-round matches she had played,

:54:55. > :54:56.it was a record, an wanted, and she has put an end to that area in

:54:57. > :55:16.Melbourne. Shuai Chang As beating Simona Halep.

:55:17. > :55:20.We will bring you more headlines at 10:30am.

:55:21. > :55:22.Thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme

:55:23. > :55:25.if you've just joined us, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC

:55:26. > :55:34.A government website is being launched today which hopes to stop

:55:35. > :55:37.children in schools being radicalised, it is part of a package

:55:38. > :55:42.of measures, sobbing children going abroad to Syria, why not have a no

:55:43. > :55:46.travel policy for under 16s without parents. Another viewer says, the

:55:47. > :55:52.Muslim community needs to integrate into British society more, it is a

:55:53. > :55:54.huge problem. Why would any parents look at this

:55:55. > :55:57.huge problem. Why would any parents they do not know that their children

:55:58. > :56:02.are being radicalised until they go missing? Kids at this age are

:56:03. > :56:05.rebelling, whatever their religion and background and culture, they do

:56:06. > :56:08.not listen to their parents, all looking for direction and will latch

:56:09. > :56:16.onto whatever is available. George on Facebook says, " it is not a

:56:17. > :56:21.Muslim issue, it is just very poor parenting". You can watch the

:56:22. > :56:22.programme wherever you are, online, through the BBC News ab or through

:56:23. > :56:31.the website. -- app. How great is the betrayal

:56:32. > :56:33.when a relationship ends and you later discover that the man

:56:34. > :56:36.with whom you shared your life for two years was living

:56:37. > :56:39.a lie and was in reality She was in relationship

:56:40. > :56:43.with Mark Kennedy, who spent seven years infiltrating

:56:44. > :56:56.environmental protest groups, He had a number of sexual

:56:57. > :57:02.relationships while undercover. It was a difficult time, this was a

:57:03. > :57:07.person that I shared everything with, we had an amazing friendship,

:57:08. > :57:12.very loving and caring relationship, we spend a lot of time together. We

:57:13. > :57:18.spent a lot of time together in some very difficult situations. Some very

:57:19. > :57:29.intense situations. Both in the UK and abroad. Equally, I had a lot of

:57:30. > :57:34.very good friends, a lot of people in the activist movement who are

:57:35. > :57:38.really genuine and nice people, only doing the things they are doing

:57:39. > :57:49.because they really believe they have to do those things to bring

:57:50. > :57:53.about change. Although I never erred or straight from passing on the

:57:54. > :57:58.intelligence that I was gathering, including people who were close

:57:59. > :58:05.friends of Mark Stone, it became very difficult, and it did become a

:58:06. > :58:10.personal issue in my own head. How did you reconcile passing

:58:11. > :58:16.information about somebody that you were in love with, and other fellow

:58:17. > :58:23.activists? The person I was in love with was not really involved with

:58:24. > :58:30.situations where I needed to pass intelligence about her, and in fact,

:58:31. > :58:34.I never did. Certainly... If you had needed to... To whom would your

:58:35. > :58:37.loyalty have gone? In those circumstances I think I would not

:58:38. > :58:43.have done. Therefore, it was unprofessional. Yes, you could say

:58:44. > :58:49.that, but I think that I was in a position... She was a person that

:58:50. > :58:55.was very independent, and still is. I am sure. She is a person who would

:58:56. > :58:59.make up her own mind and decisions about what she wanted to do and I

:59:00. > :59:04.respected that. If she went on something and she was arrested for

:59:05. > :59:08.it, that is very much her way of doing things and if that is what she

:59:09. > :59:12.wanted to do, then she has to stand by that and I'm sure that she would,

:59:13. > :59:18.as do many other people. Some campaigners have said that by having

:59:19. > :59:23.this relationship, by sleeping with this woman, they have described it

:59:24. > :59:26.as state sanctioned abuse, because this woman could not give her

:59:27. > :59:31.informed consent to sleeping with you because she did not know who you

:59:32. > :59:37.really were. That is something which is being addressed by age women who

:59:38. > :59:43.claim to have had relationships with undercover police officers. -- eight

:59:44. > :59:49.women. How do you feel about that? I know the relationship that we had

:59:50. > :59:53.outside of what names were was probably one of the most loving

:59:54. > :59:57.experiences I have ever had. White you were lying to her. I was lying

:59:58. > :00:04.to her about my name and who I was, and it is hard to know that has

:00:05. > :00:09.really hurt her and she is terribly upset about that. It is something

:00:10. > :00:18.which I'm still finding very hard to deal with and will for a long time

:00:19. > :00:21.to come full. -- for a long time to come. But how we shared our lives

:00:22. > :00:27.for four and a half, five years, it was an amazing time, in the sense

:00:28. > :00:34.that, we both supported each other through some very difficult times in

:00:35. > :00:38.our personal life. It is very sad, how we fell in love, that the way we

:00:39. > :00:47.fell in love happen to be under the circumstances. Mark Kennedy.

:00:48. > :00:49.Last week the Metropolitan Police withdrew their defence

:00:50. > :00:52.and accepted liability in a case brought by Kate Wilson,

:00:53. > :00:54.one of eight women who brought legal action over relationships

:00:55. > :01:08.You were watching Mark Kennedy talk about that relationship, it was not

:01:09. > :01:12.the relationship with you. It seemed as if you snorted with derision at

:01:13. > :01:15.his sincerity. What were you thinking? It is very depressing

:01:16. > :01:22.watching these interviews, particularly because something that

:01:23. > :01:26.Mark doesn't seem to understand when he gives that interview, and the

:01:27. > :01:29.police don't seem to understand until very, very recently, is it is

:01:30. > :01:34.completely irrelevant whether these police officers had genuine feelings

:01:35. > :01:37.or not. He was a serving police officer on an operation, he should

:01:38. > :01:43.never have touched me or the other woman. There seems to be some

:01:44. > :01:50.confusion that somehow it's all right under those circumstances to

:01:51. > :01:54.fall in love, and the question of whether there were genuine feelings

:01:55. > :01:59.there is irrelevant, and the police have accepted that in the apology

:02:00. > :02:07.they issued to women. This is about misconduct by police officers. And

:02:08. > :02:13.not just by Mark. One of the big issues is that it is impossible that

:02:14. > :02:17.the supervisors and managers are unaware these relationships were

:02:18. > :02:20.going on. One of the police officers that had a relationship actually

:02:21. > :02:27.went on to run the undercover unit after his undercover period

:02:28. > :02:35.finished, Bob Lambert. And what the police are doing is apologising,

:02:36. > :02:39.saying, yes, the conduct was wrong but they are really not actually

:02:40. > :02:43.being accountable, and they are not telling people how high up this

:02:44. > :02:47.knowledge went. They are not giving any information about how these

:02:48. > :02:52.relationships were handled by the police, and the Donald giving us any

:02:53. > :02:57.information about what was going on in the relationships we were having,

:02:58. > :03:01.so I had no idea whether I was a target of Mark's operation and that

:03:02. > :03:08.is why he had this relationship with me, or whether I was just somebody

:03:09. > :03:15.that he met and was a sideline to that. What activities were you doing

:03:16. > :03:21.at the time? This was around 2002? 2003 to 2005, that was when I was in

:03:22. > :03:26.a relationship with Mark, we were living together. I was very involved

:03:27. > :03:30.in the mobilisations against the G8 summit, which we know was one of his

:03:31. > :03:34.operations, so it is ridiculous to say that I was not in a situation

:03:35. > :03:39.where he would have had to inform on me. You are convinced that he was

:03:40. > :03:44.gathering intelligence, whatever you want to call it, from new? I'm

:03:45. > :03:48.convinced he was gathering intelligence from me, probably on me

:03:49. > :03:56.and on the people around me. It's also very concerning that he had a

:03:57. > :03:58.telephone and e-mail that we used to communicate, it is impossible to

:03:59. > :04:08.believe they were not monitoring those communications between us. And

:04:09. > :04:11.it is very, very distressing to know that there was a whole back room of

:04:12. > :04:15.officers who followed our relationship around that were

:04:16. > :04:18.probably making decisions, whether or not directly about my

:04:19. > :04:24.relationship with him, but about whether we would go together on a

:04:25. > :04:27.certain trip, and he regularly visited me abroad after the

:04:28. > :04:31.relationship ended and I was living in other countries and he must have

:04:32. > :04:36.been getting authorisation from other countries to come and see me.

:04:37. > :04:39.The other countries to come and see me.

:04:40. > :04:45.giving any information about that to any of the women. There will be an

:04:46. > :04:51.inquiry? There will be a public inquiry. How hopeful Ayew of getting

:04:52. > :04:57.answers? Last night we saw the story of Andrea, who... Another woman in a

:04:58. > :05:02.relationship, she was featured on Newsnight. That has just come out

:05:03. > :05:06.now, not because police have approached her and said, we found

:05:07. > :05:11.that this has happened. It has come because a group called the

:05:12. > :05:16.Undercover Research Group, who knew that officer, have done the research

:05:17. > :05:19.themselves with no funding, no state backing at all, and at the moment

:05:20. > :05:23.all of the people who have been able to apply to the public inquiry to

:05:24. > :05:28.participate in the inquiry are people who know they have been

:05:29. > :05:33.infiltrated. But all the information we have about those infiltrations

:05:34. > :05:37.comes from work done by activists. It amounts to less than 10%. So they

:05:38. > :05:43.could be other women who still don't know? If you look at the numbers,

:05:44. > :05:50.more than half the officers that have been found out did have

:05:51. > :05:54.relationships, at least two fathered children, so there are probably

:05:55. > :05:59.dozens of women out there who don't know. That is why we are saying that

:06:00. > :06:04.if the inquiry is going to be robust and able to get to the truth, they

:06:05. > :06:08.need to publish the names these officers were using undercover so

:06:09. > :06:14.that women can come forward. Can I ask you when you discovered that the

:06:15. > :06:17.menu had a relationship with between 2003 and 2005 was in fact an

:06:18. > :06:23.undercover officer at the time? How did you discover that? I received a

:06:24. > :06:28.phone call because the woman he was in a relationship without the time

:06:29. > :06:33.found a passport and went through a deeply distressing experience of

:06:34. > :06:37.having to look into the background of her partner and discovered that

:06:38. > :06:44.information, and I was called afterwards. How did you react? It is

:06:45. > :06:53.the most distressing thing that has happened to me. I still actually

:06:54. > :06:57.don't know how to describe the reaction. I still don't really know

:06:58. > :07:01.how to process it, partly because, although I know he was a police

:07:02. > :07:05.officer, like I say, I still don't actually know what that means. There

:07:06. > :07:09.is a period of two years that we were living together and the

:07:10. > :07:12.subsequent years that we remained close friends, the last time I saw

:07:13. > :07:19.him was August 2010, that whole period of my life is now full of

:07:20. > :07:26.blanks. There is what I think was happening, and there is then this

:07:27. > :07:30.sense that there was some nasty sinister spy plot going on that I

:07:31. > :07:36.was completely unaware for all that time. It might be hard for a lot of

:07:37. > :07:39.people watching due to really understand why it has been so

:07:40. > :07:41.distressing, because people tell lies all the time in life, in

:07:42. > :07:51.relationships, marriages, friendships. Why is this such a body

:07:52. > :07:58.blow? Partly because it is the realisation that the person you had

:07:59. > :08:02.the relationship with never existed. Having met with other women since

:08:03. > :08:06.the relationship, it starts feeling like a very personal betrayal that

:08:07. > :08:10.possibly could be compared to those kind of lies, but then you start to

:08:11. > :08:19.realise that, no, this was a state-sponsored deceit, this wasn't

:08:20. > :08:26.just one man that I have a relationship with, it was this whole

:08:27. > :08:32.unit, this whole structure, and so what starts out as a very personal

:08:33. > :08:38.loss and personal betrayal suddenly becomes this political betrayal.

:08:39. > :08:44.Like I say, I still don't know who those people were or exactly what

:08:45. > :08:49.their role in my life and my relationship was. Would you describe

:08:50. > :09:00.it as state sanctioned abuse? I would, yes.

:09:01. > :09:09.Like I said, it is very, very difficult to know how to process it.

:09:10. > :09:17.It is almost, I don't know what happened, I remember the time we

:09:18. > :09:23.were together but my memory is of course are not the reality, so

:09:24. > :09:26.suddenly I don't know what he was thinking and what his supervisors

:09:27. > :09:32.were thinking, who was watching, even. Even if you did manage to get

:09:33. > :09:37.all the answers, if, for example, head of the public inquiry there was

:09:38. > :09:40.protracted publications of all of the pseudonyms of the officers at

:09:41. > :09:45.the time so women could come forward, and potentially men, for we

:09:46. > :09:49.know, if you got those kind of answers, would that be enough for

:09:50. > :09:55.you to then move on, or do you think you are always going to be agitated

:09:56. > :09:59.all, what is the word, there is a better word than that... This thing

:10:00. > :10:06.will always be unresolved in your life? It is very, very hard to know.

:10:07. > :10:10.We've been involved in this court campaign and now there is a public

:10:11. > :10:16.inquiry, this has been going on for five years and is going to go on for

:10:17. > :10:20.several more years. To date, the police have been totally

:10:21. > :10:24.destructive. I find it very hard to believe there would be, on the part

:10:25. > :10:29.of the police, a proactive attempt to put things right. It is possible

:10:30. > :10:34.that Lord Justice Pitchford will see that it is impossible to have an

:10:35. > :10:37.inquiry unless people are invited to come forward. The police are

:10:38. > :10:40.claiming these failures of supervision and management, which

:10:41. > :10:44.means they might not be aware of some of the abuses that the officers

:10:45. > :10:52.were committing because they were not supervising them properly. So it

:10:53. > :10:56.is essential to let people know these things happen so they can come

:10:57. > :11:02.forward and say, maybe the police didn't know about it. With so many

:11:03. > :11:06.relationships over such a long period of time, it is impossible to

:11:07. > :11:10.think they didn't have any idea at all, but they may not have known all

:11:11. > :11:13.the details. Do you mind me asking if what happened to you there, what

:11:14. > :11:17.you have discovered since, have affected your life generally, or

:11:18. > :11:21.other relationships? Sorry, that feels like a very personal question,

:11:22. > :11:28.please feel free to tell me to clear off! It has obviously had a massive

:11:29. > :11:35.effect on my life and on my relationships. One of the things I

:11:36. > :11:40.remember saying right at the beginning is that it destroys your

:11:41. > :11:44.ability to trust people. In the beginning, that felt like a good

:11:45. > :11:49.thing, OK, there are bad people out there who do bad things, so I have

:11:50. > :11:57.matured, grown-up, I know that you shouldn't trust people, so now I'm

:11:58. > :12:02.wiser, and that felt like it would be a positive thing. But of course

:12:03. > :12:05.it's not a positive thing not to trust people in relationships. Over

:12:06. > :12:13.the years, you start to realise how deep that goes. How damaging. And

:12:14. > :12:17.how much it affect your ability to be close to other people.

:12:18. > :12:21.Thank you very much for being so honest and for coming on the

:12:22. > :12:27.programme. You're welcome. We will of course report on the inquiry.

:12:28. > :12:31.We've had this statement from Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt

:12:32. > :12:38.He says he's apologised publicly to seven women as a result of civil

:12:39. > :12:45.claims arising from long-term, intimate sexual relationships

:12:46. > :12:48.involving undercover police officers and that undercover policing is now

:12:49. > :12:50.Independent surveillance commissioners have had a role

:12:51. > :12:53.since 2000, and the Government has now proposed additional powers

:12:54. > :12:54.to oversee undercover investigations.

:12:55. > :12:59.However tight the controls are now, however extensive the supervision,

:13:00. > :13:02.the MPS will support the public inquiry's work to find

:13:03. > :13:05.We have a significant responsibility to reassure the public

:13:06. > :13:14.about the ethics and integrity of modern policing.

:13:15. > :13:17.Next, let's talk about the boycott of the Oscars.

:13:18. > :13:19.The American Academy, which hands out the Oscars,

:13:20. > :13:21.will review its membership criteria after no black actors were nominated

:13:22. > :13:30.Director Spike Lee says he'll boycott this year's ceremony

:13:31. > :13:34.as he "cannot support" the "lily white" awards show.

:13:35. > :13:40.In an Instagram post-committee said, how is it possible for a second

:13:41. > :13:45.consecutive year or 20 contenders under the actor category are white?

:13:46. > :13:49.And let's not even get into the other branches, 41 actors in two

:13:50. > :13:54.years and no flavour at all. We can't act?!

:13:55. > :13:57.And, in a video posted online, the actress Jada Pinkett Smith says

:13:58. > :14:01.Maybe it is time that we pull back our resources and put them back

:14:02. > :14:04.into our communities, into our programmes,

:14:05. > :14:11.and we make programmes for ourselves that acknowledge us in ways

:14:12. > :14:14.that we see fit that are just as good as the so-called mainstream

:14:15. > :14:30.Some of the apparent missions for Oscar nominations include Will

:14:31. > :14:37.Smith, not nominated for Best Actor for his film Concussion, Michael

:14:38. > :14:43.Jordan for Creed, it was Alba, lemonade in the supporting category

:14:44. > :14:45.Ashgrove nominated in the supporting category.

:14:46. > :14:48.In a speech to TV executives and MPs in the UK last night,

:14:49. > :14:51.the British actor Idris Elba said there's a real problem with good

:14:52. > :14:55.Our black people normally play Pettigrew minerals, our women always

:14:56. > :15:02.the love interest or talking about men. Our gay people always

:15:03. > :15:07.stereotyped? Are disabled people feed at all? This is what every

:15:08. > :15:12.young actor asks, black, white, male or female, should I go to America to

:15:13. > :15:17.become a successful actor? I'm always in a quandary, because it's

:15:18. > :15:23.not always true that the grass is greener. I went to America, the

:15:24. > :15:29.reason I went to America is because the USA has the most famous

:15:30. > :15:33.diversity policy of all. It is called the American dream. The

:15:34. > :15:38.problem is, the gap between the dream and reality. The gap is what

:15:39. > :15:45.Martin Luther King set out to fill in his dream. To champion diversity

:15:46. > :15:50.is to champion the American dream, and it is to say that, look, if you

:15:51. > :15:54.work hard and have great talent, you have the same chance as anyone else

:15:55. > :15:58.to succeed will stop it guarantees no more than that, but that in

:15:59. > :16:01.itself is a golden guarantee, and that is the guarantee I want here in

:16:02. > :16:09.Britain. Where is the British dream? That is the guarantee one here in

:16:10. > :16:14.Britain, where is the British dream? The Academy Awards are blatantly

:16:15. > :16:18.racist, 30% of the US population is people of colour, in a fair system,

:16:19. > :16:22.30% of nominees should be people of colour, the fact it is zero for the

:16:23. > :16:27.second year in a row is insultingly racist and a sign that the system is

:16:28. > :16:31.broken. I find the lilywhite comment extremely offensive and racist, if

:16:32. > :16:35.all or most of the nominees were black and a white actor called it

:16:36. > :16:39.the dark Oscars, that actor would be condemned by all, what this reaction

:16:40. > :16:42.has achieved is that every award ceremony will now have equal

:16:43. > :16:48.black-and-white nominees regardless of achievement, positive racism is

:16:49. > :16:53.as wrong as all other forms. We have more that we will read in a moment.

:16:54. > :16:59.Those are messages and e-mails coming in. Joining us now, with us

:17:00. > :17:01.now Menhaj Huda - director and producer of the award-winning

:17:02. > :17:03.British film Kidulthood. But first Radio 1 Newsbeat's Entertainment

:17:04. > :17:06.Reporter Chi Chi Izundu is here to tell us more. Reaction to the fact

:17:07. > :17:08.that Spike Lee and Jada Pinkett-Smith will not be there.

:17:09. > :17:12.They say they will not even bother watching it on television, they do

:17:13. > :17:17.not want to participate at all, and the comments from Spike Lee are more

:17:18. > :17:22.prevalent, he was being awarded and Henri Oscar, just in November, so he

:17:23. > :17:27.should be there at the ceremony. -- honorary Oscar. There has been

:17:28. > :17:30.comments from David are you logo, he played Martin Luther King in Selma

:17:31. > :17:35.last year, that was nominated in best film, but he and the black

:17:36. > :17:42.director were not nominated. He has said that as an academy member, the

:17:43. > :17:46.Academy Awards, the Academy Awards does not represent him or America or

:17:47. > :17:51.diversity. -- David Oyelowo. He also pointed out that some big films like

:17:52. > :17:57.Star Wars, which has John Boyega as one of the leads, young black actor,

:17:58. > :18:01.which has made history, recently, becoming the most viewed film at the

:18:02. > :18:05.box office, of all time, did not get nominated in any of the main

:18:06. > :18:12.categories that we are talking about, it did get nominated in

:18:13. > :18:16.creativity and special effects. That did not get nominated. He also says

:18:17. > :18:22.things like Empire, massive show in America, Chisnall acknowledged

:18:23. > :18:27.either and he is angry at how the system happens. -- is not

:18:28. > :18:31.acknowledged either. The problem is with who hires who, if you have a

:18:32. > :18:35.wide rid of old white men, which is what Hollywood is quite well known

:18:36. > :18:42.for, in terms of costing and how films are put together, then it is

:18:43. > :18:47.going to be quite difficult for black, women or any other mineral to

:18:48. > :18:53.to get through. Thank you very much. What you think is going on? I think

:18:54. > :18:56.when it comes to the Academy Awards and the BAFTAs, there is a huge

:18:57. > :19:01.campaign that goes on behind each film. Lots of money spent and time

:19:02. > :19:08.is spent on trying to get those particular films to be nominated. It

:19:09. > :19:13.is serious lobbying. It is, and also, there is a lot of politics

:19:14. > :19:19.behind it as well. It is not entirely surprise and at those films

:19:20. > :19:25.which we have seen in the running have not been picked up, because

:19:26. > :19:30.clearly, this year they were not campaigning in the same way as the

:19:31. > :19:36.other films. So it is not racism? It is in a way, also, look at how the

:19:37. > :19:42.Academy Awards are run and how all awards are run. Somebody who works

:19:43. > :19:46.within the industry... We understand how it operates. It is not a fair

:19:47. > :19:54.system in that sense. It is not really judging on merit. Let me put

:19:55. > :20:00.this to you, 12 years a slave one, let me put that to you... Are you

:20:01. > :20:05.saying that did not win because it was a great film, are you saying it

:20:06. > :20:09.one because... Because it was time, in a way, there was a good Oscar

:20:10. > :20:13.contending film there and people felt now was the time for a black

:20:14. > :20:21.film to actually get nominated and when. In someways they felt that was

:20:22. > :20:27.done. And then they can move on. Last year, the Alan Turing story, it

:20:28. > :20:31.was more about homosexuality. This year, films about transgender. It

:20:32. > :20:41.seems like they go from different themes. In terms of politics. That

:20:42. > :20:45.is interesting. Let's see what they will do to change the make-up of the

:20:46. > :20:48.Academy, tell me if you think this will make any difference to the

:20:49. > :20:56.nominees that we see in the future. The head of the Academy Awards, who

:20:57. > :21:03.is apparently heartbroken at the lack of diversity, she is going to

:21:04. > :21:12.take dramatic steps. Cheryl Boone Isaacs is the head of the Academy.

:21:13. > :21:14.She says that changes have already been fermented to diversify

:21:15. > :21:19.membership but change is not coming as fast as they would like. There is

:21:20. > :21:23.no substance here but she is going to do something, I don't know what

:21:24. > :21:30.the details are, she will tell us at some point, will that make a

:21:31. > :21:33.difference? I don't know what the make-up is at the moment of the

:21:34. > :21:38.American Academy, the British Academy, but there is definitely a

:21:39. > :21:43.case for every by diverse backgrounds rubbing together and

:21:44. > :21:48.making a point of voting for those films that they feel they want to

:21:49. > :21:51.have nominated. Obviously it needs to go beyond that but if you

:21:52. > :21:57.organised the members who are able to vote, is quite a small

:21:58. > :22:03.membership, for the BAFTAs, only 7000 votes, and when you look at the

:22:04. > :22:06.200 odd films, it is not that difficult to try to collate those

:22:07. > :22:13.votes to try to promote those things. Something like that could

:22:14. > :22:15.work. Very quick word about the boycotting by Spike Lee and Jada

:22:16. > :22:20.Pinkett-Smith, is that the right thing to do? It has made the right

:22:21. > :22:26.impression, it has got everyone talking about it. Whether it is

:22:27. > :22:31.ethnically correct -- ethically correct for them to do it, I don't

:22:32. > :22:35.know, but by doing it, they are bringing attention to it, and that

:22:36. > :22:40.is a good thing. Thank you the joining us.

:22:41. > :22:48.Coming up: is enough being done to help young offenders turn away from

:22:49. > :22:53.crime to mark and, the cost of living is going up, we will find out

:22:54. > :22:59.why things are costing more in the shops.

:23:00. > :23:04.The cost of living in Britain - as measured by the rate of inflation -

:23:05. > :23:06.has edged up to its highest level for nearly a year - the Consumer

:23:07. > :23:09.Prices Index for December rising to 0.2%. Air fares were higher than the

:23:10. > :23:25.previous month, but alcohol, tobacco and food costs were down.

:23:26. > :23:28.The Education Secretary is launching an initiative designed to counter

:23:29. > :23:31.It includes a new website to help teachers and parents identify

:23:32. > :23:35.The Chinese economy grew by its slowest rate in a quarter

:23:36. > :23:38.fuelling anxiety both inside and outside China.

:23:39. > :23:40.The world's second largest economy expanded by six-point-nine

:23:41. > :23:47.The failure of pollsters to predict the result of last year's

:23:48. > :23:49.general election has been put down to sampling methods.

:23:50. > :23:51.An independent inquiry found that Conservative voters

:23:52. > :23:52.were under-represented in phone and online polls.

:23:53. > :23:54.The social networking site Twitter was down for users

:23:55. > :24:00.in several countries, including the UK, earlier this morning.

:24:01. > :24:03.Our technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones is here.

:24:04. > :24:13.It is difficult to know what has happened, Twitter have been

:24:14. > :24:16.reporting on a different blog, Tumblr, they have said that they

:24:17. > :24:22.were aware of the issue and were working towards a resolution. Mass

:24:23. > :24:26.panic, people unable to tweet four something like two hours, it seems

:24:27. > :24:31.to be coming back, in fact I have posted something, that has proven

:24:32. > :24:35.that it is back. When these sites go down, it used to happen all the

:24:36. > :24:39.time, it happens much more rarely these days. There is only people

:24:40. > :24:42.using them as a means of communication, 15 million people in

:24:43. > :24:46.the UK have a Twitter account, it does seem to be something like mass

:24:47. > :24:55.panic when they can no longer use it. Who knows what has caused it,

:24:56. > :24:59.back in problems perhaps, there has been attacks on sites like this

:25:00. > :25:02.which sometimes overwhelm the traffic, we do not know, but it kind

:25:03. > :25:06.of stresses how dependent we have become in this modern era on being

:25:07. > :25:16.in touch this way. Speak for yourself(!) LAUGHTER

:25:17. > :25:21.In her first appearance at the straight in Oban, British number one

:25:22. > :25:28.Johanna Konta has beaten her childhood idol, Venus Williams, she

:25:29. > :25:30.said it was a bit of a blur after knocking out the champion in

:25:31. > :25:35.straight sets. Than Evans and Aljaz knocking out the champion in

:25:36. > :25:39.Bedene have both lost, good news for Andy Murray, through to round two.

:25:40. > :25:43.-- Dan Evans. Andy Murray has scene's Alexander Zverev. Andy

:25:44. > :25:46.Murray says that tennis needs to do a better job of warning young

:25:47. > :25:51.players about match fixing, following from yesterday's

:25:52. > :25:58.controversy. Swansea City are out of the relegation zone thanks to a 1-0

:25:59. > :26:01.victory over Watford, the new boss, Francesco Guidolin, watched from the

:26:02. > :26:05.stands as Ashley Williams headed in the winner. Jordan Rhodes gave

:26:06. > :26:10.Blackburn Rovers a victory over Newport, 2-1, taking them to the

:26:11. > :26:17.fourth round the FA Cup. England when Chris Ashton could miss the six

:26:18. > :26:20.Nations after being cited for making contact with Ulster player Luke

:26:21. > :26:22.Marshall's eyes during the cup match on Saturday. That is the sporting

:26:23. > :26:36.headlines. If young offenders aren't helped

:26:37. > :26:38.when it comes to them moving will it lead to them

:26:39. > :26:42.committing more crimes? That's what a report

:26:43. > :26:47.out today suggests. Professor Neal Hazel

:26:48. > :26:52.is from Salford University, he's a former Deputy Chief Inspector

:26:53. > :26:58.of Probation, years ago aged 19 and also has

:26:59. > :27:04.experience of youth offending

:27:05. > :27:13.services. My last conviction, I jumped

:27:14. > :27:17.straight into probation. Because I was an adult. Youth offending, it

:27:18. > :27:21.was more like I would be planning my journey home before I even get

:27:22. > :27:30.there, because it is such a quick meeting. They say they have this

:27:31. > :27:34.information or new, your youth offenders workers need to know

:27:35. > :27:38.everything about you, you need to be communicating with them anything you

:27:39. > :27:44.need. That they can help you. Give you some sort of advice, anything

:27:45. > :27:51.like that. Nothing like that used to go on. Before you were 18, you were

:27:52. > :27:56.convicted of drug possession with intent to sell, when you are 19, you

:27:57. > :28:02.were convicted of robbery, you were sentenced to six years, is there any

:28:03. > :28:07.more, what more could the youth offending team have done to support

:28:08. > :28:11.you which could have tried to help you stop reoffending. Audio tape

:28:12. > :28:20.total responsibility for what you did? -- or, do you take total

:28:21. > :28:27.responsibility for what you did aged 19? Coming from Plumstead, a little

:28:28. > :28:32.estate, there is not a lot of opportunities there are, even with

:28:33. > :28:36.the opportunities like the local council coming round with a DJ bus,

:28:37. > :28:42.and getting us on the bus, do some music and stuff. You have to sign

:28:43. > :28:52.forms, and nothing comes from the back of it. Youth offending, in that

:28:53. > :28:56.aspect, there was no help. I would not give them all the blame, I knew

:28:57. > :29:02.wrong from right, of course, but it was more when I needed them, they

:29:03. > :29:08.was not there, you know what I am saying. As a form former deputy

:29:09. > :29:17.chief inspector of probation, what are the main issues? The problem is,

:29:18. > :29:22.widely recognised, age 18 support for young offenders drops off

:29:23. > :29:24.dramatically, and up until the age of 18 youth offending teams do

:29:25. > :29:30.provide a multi-agency support for young people who offend. What does

:29:31. > :29:35.that mean? Social workers, nurses, a whole range of services that is

:29:36. > :29:39.provided to young people to try to identify what are the issues in

:29:40. > :29:45.their lives, why are they offending, what can we do about it? At age 18,

:29:46. > :29:50.that support drops off, the problem is that age 17 to 18 is the peak age

:29:51. > :29:54.for offending, when that support is needed the most. It does not happen

:29:55. > :30:00.in this country. That is the concern. That transferred from the

:30:01. > :30:07.youth services... That can lead to... Once turning 18... Going back

:30:08. > :30:14.into a life of crime, without that support? That is right, because at

:30:15. > :30:18.that age, 17 to 18, young people are trying to search for their identity,

:30:19. > :30:22.search for what they will become, are they going to be constructive

:30:23. > :30:26.members of society? Will they feel they are big and hard because they

:30:27. > :30:30.are offenders? What is happening? They need guidance into the right

:30:31. > :30:40.jobs, into the right types of relationship, that is the age when

:30:41. > :30:43.that drops off. I am guessing that some people listening to you speak

:30:44. > :30:49.now will be shouting at the television saying, they are 18, they

:30:50. > :30:52.are adults, they know right from wrong, do they really need support

:30:53. > :31:00.in getting in the right relationships? Come off it! This is

:31:01. > :31:04.what the research suggests, that these young people have a lot of

:31:05. > :31:08.issues, and we can say, we should be hard on them, they are adults, all

:31:09. > :31:13.we can be soft on them, but what I'm interested in, what does research

:31:14. > :31:16.say stops them offending? We need to put in practice the support they

:31:17. > :31:20.need at that point and they need guidance, a lot of these people do

:31:21. > :31:24.not have ordinary childhood, they do not have the support that the rest

:31:25. > :31:28.of us have received, they need clear role models and clear support and

:31:29. > :31:30.guidance to help them at that point. That does help the recidivism rates,

:31:31. > :31:43.it does help them stop offending. Can I take on that support? As you

:31:44. > :31:49.know, I was in prison, halfway through my sentence I got introduced

:31:50. > :31:54.to a charity where they would take offenders and work with them,

:31:55. > :31:58.allocate them mentors and get them work, set out careers if that is

:31:59. > :32:03.what they want, help them with business plans if they want to work

:32:04. > :32:10.on business plans. Not only just that personal support, if you are

:32:11. > :32:15.going through problems at home you can pick up the phone and call

:32:16. > :32:23.someone, and they will give you that support. And that has been massive

:32:24. > :32:27.for you? Not just a help for me but for the other people on the

:32:28. > :32:30.programme. Not just the people on the programme, but the fund is

:32:31. > :32:34.getting involved with the programme, they are learning from it just as

:32:35. > :32:39.much as we are learning from it. So whether or not, as Neal was saying,

:32:40. > :32:43.people think it is mollycoddling, we would all like someone at the end of

:32:44. > :32:49.the phone to help us make a decision or get into the right relationship

:32:50. > :32:52.or that kind of thing, actually it is who needs it most and you were

:32:53. > :32:59.the sort of person, having been in the youth offending system, and then

:33:00. > :33:05.in jail, you needed it, and it is working? It is definitely working.

:33:06. > :33:10.Obviously you have to want it as well. The people but actually

:33:11. > :33:15.seriously wanted, this is the best opportunity they can get. If you are

:33:16. > :33:22.half-hearted about it, you need to work on yourself. It is not just you

:33:23. > :33:27.and your own, this course is not here to tell you to work on yourself

:33:28. > :33:32.by yourself, it is telling you, work on yourself and we will give you the

:33:33. > :33:39.help you need. On probation, they never had the holistic approach.

:33:40. > :33:47.Probation, they are there, but it is more of a pain where when you are

:33:48. > :33:57.breaching your license and things like that, they will not think twice

:33:58. > :34:02.about it, just keep your head down or stop but people like the charity

:34:03. > :34:10.help you to do that. Thank you very much, nice to meet you. Professor

:34:11. > :34:13.Neal Isil, as well, thank you for your time.

:34:14. > :34:17.A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said, moving from the user to adult

:34:18. > :34:21.justice system can be a difficult time for young people and their

:34:22. > :34:24.families. We accept all the inspector's recommendations today

:34:25. > :34:36.and are taking action to implement them.

:34:37. > :34:39.Last month we showed you a film about an innovative new project,

:34:40. > :34:41.developed by police in South London, to try to stop young adults

:34:42. > :34:46.It's run by officers and a group of volunteers, who try to find work

:34:47. > :35:00.Here is our reporter. Hi, coming out?

:35:01. > :35:06.I'm just going to ask a few questions about you and your

:35:07. > :35:10.interests, the sort of things you like doing, what you are into. What

:35:11. > :35:19.are your interests? Football, anything like that? Might interest

:35:20. > :35:24.is mainly motorbikes. Motorbikes? And art and design. What sort of art

:35:25. > :35:42.and design, drawing, taking pictures? I can draw anything.

:35:43. > :35:46.And you can see the full film on our programme page.

:35:47. > :35:49.Let's talk about the state of the economy and what it

:35:50. > :35:54.In the next couple of hours the Governor of the Bank

:35:55. > :35:57.of England, Mark Carney, will give a speech on the current

:35:58. > :35:59.international economic outlook, including the future for interest

:36:00. > :36:07.You can watch that speech on the BBC News channel.

:36:08. > :36:14.It comes as figures for December out this morning show the cost of living

:36:15. > :36:19.in Britain, as measured by the rate of inflation,

:36:20. > :36:23.has edged up to its highest level for nearly a year.

:36:24. > :36:24.There have been predictions too this

:36:25. > :36:26.morning about the state of the world economy.

:36:27. > :36:29.The International Monetary Fund has again cut its forecast for global

:36:30. > :36:32.growth, largely because of fears about the health of economies such

:36:33. > :36:35.China has posted its slowest annual growth in 25 years.

:36:36. > :36:37.The world's second-largest economy expanded by 6.9% last year,

:36:38. > :36:46.So why does this all matter and how will it affect us?

:36:47. > :36:48.Our business correspondent Aaron Hezelhurst is here

:36:49. > :36:55.And we can also talk to Ann Robinson, director

:36:56. > :36:59.of consumer policy at USwitch.

:37:00. > :37:06.This growth in China last year is massive compared to what we have had

:37:07. > :37:11.for years, 6.9%. Why is it bad news? Because it has 1.3 billion people,

:37:12. > :37:16.it has a big economy and need a bigger number to drive that Chinese

:37:17. > :37:21.engine. Let's not kid ourselves, we used to say, the US sneezes, we all

:37:22. > :37:25.catch a cold, China sneezes, we catch a cold. Markets have not

:37:26. > :37:30.reacted negatively to this because it was expected, Beijing has been

:37:31. > :37:33.going through a transition, the Government, the policymakers. China

:37:34. > :37:38.has been the factory floor of the world for a very long time and the

:37:39. > :37:42.policymakers want to change that economic model and become more like

:37:43. > :37:45.we are, consumer driven, they want to create a very big middle class

:37:46. > :37:53.and get the Chinese people to buy lots of stuff and spend. That number

:37:54. > :37:59.from China today certainly highlights, I personally think it

:38:00. > :38:05.could be a rocky 2016. So if China's economy is growing more slowly, that

:38:06. > :38:09.means the people there do not have the same amount of money to buy

:38:10. > :38:14.stuff from countries like us? That is why it affects us? Absolutely, we

:38:15. > :38:20.make stuff, the Chinese have been buying it, cars, whatever the items,

:38:21. > :38:26.you look at the luxury market, the big growth driver was in China. They

:38:27. > :38:35.are buying less stuff, they buy less from Europe. It has a sort of domino

:38:36. > :38:38.effect. Ann, what was it George Osborne said at the beginning of the

:38:39. > :38:48.year, a cocktail of... IPad remember the phrase! It wasn't that good, was

:38:49. > :38:51.it?! -- I can't remember the phrase. He was warning that we can't get

:38:52. > :38:55.complacent, it will be a rough year and the figures from China backed

:38:56. > :39:00.that up. What kind of a rough year might it be for people watching our

:39:01. > :39:04.programme? The worst would be a hike in interest rates, which I think

:39:05. > :39:08.could happen towards the end of this year, the beginning of next year.

:39:09. > :39:11.The other thing George Osborne said, fixed the roof while the sun is

:39:12. > :39:16.shining, that is important because this year we are all, most of us, in

:39:17. > :39:22.a pretty good position because wages have gone up so we have a bit more

:39:23. > :39:27.money in our pockets, a slight dip on inflation today but actually food

:39:28. > :39:33.prices have gone down a game and energy prices, the two big items in

:39:34. > :39:39.the budget, have been stable and may come down a bit as well. I think

:39:40. > :39:47.2016 is looking good, but it you are a borrower... And we all are, let's

:39:48. > :39:50.face it, mortgages, loans. Try to pay off some of that debt. If you

:39:51. > :39:54.want to get onto the housing market, try to save a bit more because

:39:55. > :39:58.mortgages will go up at the end of the year if interest rates go up, so

:39:59. > :40:03.you need to be prepared for that. Savers are going to be OK because we

:40:04. > :40:10.may have a bit more money in our pocket, I'm an optimist! But my

:40:11. > :40:16.strong advice is, if you have any spare cash in your pocket, don't

:40:17. > :40:22.spend it, don't go for a big costly thing that you can only just afford.

:40:23. > :40:27.Put it to one side, fix the roof, put yourself in a better position.

:40:28. > :40:31.Pay down your credit card bills, save more for when the interest

:40:32. > :40:35.rates go up? But it is important to pay off the credit card bill because

:40:36. > :40:39.at the moment we are back to pre-crisis levels in terms of

:40:40. > :40:45.unsecured household debts, not your mortgage but loans on credit cards,

:40:46. > :40:49.getting back to a very... Because we have all become complacent, we have

:40:50. > :40:52.got used to low interest rate and there are young people who have

:40:53. > :40:57.never experienced the kind of interest rates that some of us have

:40:58. > :41:04.experienced in the past. I have never -- and have never experienced

:41:05. > :41:09.an interest rate rise! Do you know what I think is important? I would

:41:10. > :41:14.hope that this interest rate rise is managed properly, don't leave it to

:41:15. > :41:18.the last minute and go high because it would be difficult to cope with.

:41:19. > :41:22.Let's have a properly thought through and managed process so there

:41:23. > :41:27.are tiny increments and only when we need to have that, but tiny

:41:28. > :41:31.incremental is better than one big jump. Tell me why we need an

:41:32. > :41:36.interest rate rise even if it is .25% at the end of the year? It is

:41:37. > :41:42.making sure that information does not go out of control, so that we

:41:43. > :41:45.are not stimulating, demand is just cut back a little bit, and that get

:41:46. > :41:52.everything back in order. Am I right? We go back years! Yes, that

:41:53. > :41:57.is one of the reasons we haven't seen an interest rate rise, we have

:41:58. > :42:05.had that little blip today, we have gone up 0.1 of a percent, so we

:42:06. > :42:12.had that little blip today, we have now 0.2%. That is still tiny, the

:42:13. > :42:15.target is 2%! We are a long way from the target, so they have wiggle room

:42:16. > :42:18.but it will be interesting to see what Mark Carney says today and

:42:19. > :42:24.where the points fingers outside to the likes of China as concerns.

:42:25. > :42:28.Thank you both very much. So many of you getting in touch about the

:42:29. > :42:37.Oscars this morning, the lilywhite Oscars as Spike Lee has called them.

:42:38. > :42:44.Let me read some. Jade Pinkett Smith also boycotting it. They are not

:42:45. > :42:48.even going to watch it on the TV from home, all because of the lack

:42:49. > :42:52.of nominations for black actors. It is the second year running that

:42:53. > :43:00.there are no black actors nominated in any of the main categories, no

:43:01. > :43:08.nominations for with Smith in Concussion or Michael B Jordan in

:43:09. > :43:12.Creed, or Idris Elba. Some comments, Spike Lee is right

:43:13. > :43:16.about the Oscars being too lilywhite. An e-mail, I don't think

:43:17. > :43:21.a separate Oscars ceremony would be the way forward, it would only

:43:22. > :43:24.create a wider gap for people. That is because someone earlier

:43:25. > :43:28.suggested that we have separate music awards ceremonies for black

:43:29. > :43:32.music so why not for the Oscars? Paul on Facebook, lilywhite Oscars?

:43:33. > :43:38.That is a powerful statement and I'm truly shocked.

:43:39. > :43:42.A couple more, Darren on Facebook, Samuel L Jackson should win every

:43:43. > :43:47.award, or else everyone will know that the academy is racist.

:43:48. > :43:51.Helen on Facebook, just look at our television, you see the same faces

:43:52. > :43:55.on ITV and BBC and they do not promote fresh faces all new talent.

:43:56. > :43:59.Tomorrow, we will meet a woman who have opened up a home to a Syrian

:44:00. > :44:01.teenage refugee who arrived here unaccompanied and does not speak any

:44:02. > :44:01.English. It's the Oscar

:44:02. > :44:03.for the mobile phone industry. The search for Britain's best

:44:04. > :44:09.mobile phone salesperson is on. We are expecting to see people

:44:10. > :44:14.who can sell anything.