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:00:00. > :00:08.Hello it's Monday, it's 9.15am, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

:00:09. > :00:14.Put your house in order and prove you're not hounding

:00:15. > :00:18.That's the warning to charities from MPs this morning.

:00:19. > :00:26.Also on the programme, criticism is growing over the Google

:00:27. > :00:28.tax deal described by some as "derisory".

:00:29. > :00:30.Labour are calling for the chancellor George Osborne

:00:31. > :00:32.to explain the deal to the House of Commons today.

:00:33. > :00:36.We'll talk to the MP who said this to google a couple of years ago:

:00:37. > :00:38.You're a company that says you do no evil,

:00:39. > :00:47.And millions of people across the eastern US are clearing

:00:48. > :00:49.up after the weekend's massive snowstorm, which virtually

:00:50. > :00:52.We'll be speaking to some of those affected.

:00:53. > :01:03.It's probably about six feet tall with snow on top of it.

:01:04. > :01:07.I am pretty sure there is a car under there.

:01:08. > :01:08.The streets are pretty clear throughout

:01:09. > :01:19.In the outer parts of the town, they haven't ploughed,

:01:20. > :01:26.everybody is walking, not a lot of driving going on.

:01:27. > :01:29.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC

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:01:34. > :01:35.Throughout the programme, we'll bring you the latest breaking

:01:36. > :01:39.news and developing stories, plus we'll keep you up to date

:01:40. > :01:41.with Andy Murray's latest match in the Australian Open,

:01:42. > :01:46.Plus, we'll bring you more reaction to the news that the sportswear

:01:47. > :01:48.giant Adidas is cutting its ties with athletics' world governing body

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:02:13. > :02:14.Charities have come under fire again this morning

:02:15. > :02:16.over their "aggressive" fund-raising techniques.

:02:17. > :02:18.A committee of MPs has raised big concerns about the tactics

:02:19. > :02:23.being used to target elderly and vulnerable donors.

:02:24. > :02:25.The Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee

:02:26. > :02:28.has warned that this is their last chance to put their house in order,

:02:29. > :02:33.otherwise they may have to be regulated by the law.

:02:34. > :02:35.Fundraising methods have come under scrutiny since the death

:02:36. > :02:38.of 92-year-old Olive Cooke last year.

:02:39. > :02:42.She was one of Britain's oldest and longest-serving poppy-sellers.

:02:43. > :02:45.Her friends said she was donating to more than 20 charities

:02:46. > :02:52.This was Olive speaking to the BBC in 2014.

:02:53. > :02:55.It is important, like, to care for others, I think.

:02:56. > :02:58.We shouldn't just be thinking inwards, all the time,

:02:59. > :03:03.Because there is so much need in this world.

:03:04. > :03:12.And, you know, we can, at least, offer some help.

:03:13. > :03:15.The inquest into Olive's death heard she'd received more than 250 charity

:03:16. > :03:20.It was suggested that this hounding may have pushed her into taking her

:03:21. > :03:25.life, although her family insisted the charities were not to blame.

:03:26. > :03:29.Now lots of these calls and letters, that many of us get asking for us

:03:30. > :03:30.to donate, come from fundraising agencies,

:03:31. > :03:36.A staggering 444 million items were sent in the post

:03:37. > :03:38.by charities in 2013, the latest year for which

:03:39. > :03:47.There's also been a big increase in the number of calls asking

:03:48. > :03:50.for money, from 11 million in 2010 to more than 14 million

:03:51. > :03:59.90%of these were carried out by agencies.

:04:00. > :04:01.Today's report is very critical of the practices used by some

:04:02. > :04:04.of the biggest name charities to bring in money, including

:04:05. > :04:09.Great Ormond Street Hospital, Oxfam and Macmillan Cancer Support.

:04:10. > :04:11.The report says some charities have made it impossible for donors

:04:12. > :04:16.to block communication from them or other charities.

:04:17. > :04:19.Some charities have sold on personal information which has ended up

:04:20. > :04:24.And vulnerable and elderly people are seen as "fair targets"

:04:25. > :04:30.The report says charity bosses who allowed these scandalous methods

:04:31. > :04:36.were either "incompetent or wilfully blind".

:04:37. > :04:39.Since this investigation started, the Government has created a new,

:04:40. > :04:41.tougher regulator for the sector, but MPs are warning this doesn't

:04:42. > :04:47.They say the buck stops with charities to change

:04:48. > :04:49.their behaviour, and the public needs to be encouraged to report

:04:50. > :04:56.We invited a number of charities mentioned in the report

:04:57. > :04:58.onto our programme this morning, but all of them declined including

:04:59. > :05:06.Oxfam, Macmillan Cancer, Great Ormand Street.

:05:07. > :05:09.And apologies to the viewers of the BBC News channel who've only

:05:10. > :05:13.just been able to join us due to an earluer interference.

:05:14. > :05:27.Let's introduce you to the guests we will talk about on charities.

:05:28. > :05:36.His father has dementia and his father was inundated with charity

:05:37. > :05:42.information. Peter Lewis is Chief Executive

:05:43. > :05:53.of the Institute of Fundraising We will try to speak to Bernard

:05:54. > :05:59.Jenkin MP. Tell us about your dad, Samuel, he has dementia and has been

:06:00. > :06:10.inundated? My father's story, he was quite a generous donor to charities.

:06:11. > :06:17.His data was essentially sold within and outside the sector. His data was

:06:18. > :06:22.gathered by people who are essentially fraudsters. He lost

:06:23. > :06:28.about ?33,000 in the end. And you are sure that the starter of his

:06:29. > :06:30.data being sent on to others was the fact that he was donating to

:06:31. > :06:45.charity? INAUDIBLE We managed to prove that his data

:06:46. > :06:49.was sold by the charities on the open market, which included

:06:50. > :07:01.fraudsters. How did that make you feel? Edit sad. Are you angry. -- a

:07:02. > :07:07.bit sad. I'm not really angry. What happened to my father has happened

:07:08. > :07:12.to my father. Fortunately, he is an ex-army officer, ex-civil servants,

:07:13. > :07:16.he has a good pension and we will recover but a lot of people are

:07:17. > :07:19.getting caught in this who just don't have the money in the first

:07:20. > :07:26.place and it is destroying their lives. How vulnerable was your dad?

:07:27. > :07:35.It's difficult to say. I think one of the things with the report is

:07:36. > :07:41.that we have an ageing, generous and vulnerable population.

:07:42. > :07:49.We have an industry... Not only fundraising for charities but

:07:50. > :07:53.general marketing, which is getting more and more sophisticated. As

:07:54. > :07:59.such, it is something that will collide with a massive problem.

:08:00. > :08:02.Let's bring in Peter Lewis, chief executive of the Institute of

:08:03. > :08:07.Fundraising, it is not the first time we have heard a story like

:08:08. > :08:10.that. How much do charities make on from selling on personal

:08:11. > :08:18.information? Firstly, based on the sad case, we have banned the selling

:08:19. > :08:23.of data, that came into force at the end of last year, charities are no

:08:24. > :08:26.longer able to sell personal data. We have also banned them sharing it

:08:27. > :08:32.with other charities unless they have explicit consent of the donor.

:08:33. > :08:35.Based on the lessons of last year, we have heard the practices that

:08:36. > :08:38.were brought to light which were unacceptable and we have made

:08:39. > :08:42.changes to try and make sure that cases like that don't happen in the

:08:43. > :08:48.future. Why did it take cases like that to shine a light on this? Was

:08:49. > :08:52.it ever ethical for charities to be doing it? The standards we set in

:08:53. > :08:57.the codes of fundraising practice are higher standards set by law.

:08:58. > :09:01.Normal businesses, local authorities, government can share

:09:02. > :09:04.and sell people's data, that is within data protection law. Based on

:09:05. > :09:08.what came to light last year, we have taken action and set higher

:09:09. > :09:14.standards for charities, as they should be. We were shocked with what

:09:15. > :09:17.had happened with Mr Rae. And the tragic case of Olive Cooke. Is it

:09:18. > :09:24.right that anyone should ever feel that a generous gesture is seen by

:09:25. > :09:27.the recipient as being a prey used to potentially more? And then being

:09:28. > :09:33.repeatedly asked for more -- as a prelude. You are absolutely right.

:09:34. > :09:38.When a charity benefits from the generosity of a member of the

:09:39. > :09:41.public, they have to respect that donor and supporter's preferences.

:09:42. > :09:44.That reflects the moves we have made over the last few months to make

:09:45. > :09:48.sure that charities do listen to donor preferences and if they donor

:09:49. > :09:52.says I no longer wants to support you or I no longer want to hear from

:09:53. > :09:57.you, those charities are obliged to act and listen to those donor's

:09:58. > :10:01.concerns. Have charities abused that trust? I don't think they

:10:02. > :10:10.deliberately abused the trust. One of the problems that came to light

:10:11. > :10:12.is that each individual charity can know exactly the number of times it

:10:13. > :10:15.is contacting a supporter. You might write to say thank you for your

:10:16. > :10:18.donation, this is what we have done with your donation, each charity

:10:19. > :10:22.knows how many times they have contacted a donor. What they don't

:10:23. > :10:29.know is what other charities are doing. Somebody like Mr Rae or Olive

:10:30. > :10:33.Cooke, supporting 28 charities on a regular basis, none of those

:10:34. > :10:37.charities know what other charities are doing. You can get this

:10:38. > :10:39.cumulative effect where what has been a pleasure, people being able

:10:40. > :10:43.to give to causes that been a pleasure, people being able

:10:44. > :10:48.about, turns into a displeasure and becomes overwhelming. At that point,

:10:49. > :10:52.the donor needs to be very easily able to say and simply say I no

:10:53. > :10:57.longer want to hear from you, please stop contacting me and the charity

:10:58. > :11:04.should stop. Is that inevitable when charities lose control by passing on

:11:05. > :11:08.information to others? I know you say it won't be sold any more but it

:11:09. > :11:12.still could be passed on if the right box isn't ticked. The MPs

:11:13. > :11:16.report has said that at times on this issue, trustees have been

:11:17. > :11:21.incompetent or wilfully blind. They just haven't looked at it enough.

:11:22. > :11:25.The report is very balanced and the select committee have taken a very

:11:26. > :11:28.balanced approach. Saying that despite the unacceptable practices

:11:29. > :11:32.being brought to light and the buzz majority of fundraising practice is

:11:33. > :11:37.done to a high standard. This morass majority. We must seize on that, it

:11:38. > :11:45.is generally done to a high standard. -- the vast majority.

:11:46. > :11:47.Without the generosity of the British public, without charities

:11:48. > :11:50.asking for support, we wouldn't be looking for clues for cancer. We

:11:51. > :11:53.wouldn't be supporting older people in their homes, responding to

:11:54. > :11:57.emergencies like earthquakes in Nepal. Charities need to be able to

:11:58. > :12:01.ask, but they have to do it in the right way. The other inside from the

:12:02. > :12:06.select committee is that charities should be fundraising in the same

:12:07. > :12:09.way with the same values that they approach their service delivery --

:12:10. > :12:14.the other insight. Perhaps the circumstances came to light last

:12:15. > :12:18.year means they weren't embedding their value systems in their fund

:12:19. > :12:23.raising. Is it the only a to do that, to stop charities outsourcing

:12:24. > :12:27.fundraising completely and stop passing on details completely? -- is

:12:28. > :12:30.it the only way. Whether it is for money or otherwise. I don't think

:12:31. > :12:35.there is anything intrinsically wrong with charities working with

:12:36. > :12:41.agencies with agencies. Agencies can provide an effective and efficient

:12:42. > :12:44.way of speaking with donors. Often, they have taken risks with their own

:12:45. > :12:50.commercial money to do innovative things that have driven change and

:12:51. > :12:54.new approaches. What is absolutely essential is that those charities

:12:55. > :12:59.work with the agencies in close partnership to make sure the value

:13:00. > :13:02.systems and charities have at embedded within the practices of the

:13:03. > :13:07.agencies. They clearly haven't done it in the past. Last year there were

:13:08. > :13:11.examples where that wasn't true, the practice within the agency wasn't

:13:12. > :13:20.complying with our code of practice. Some of those charities, which have

:13:21. > :13:23.accepted this, were not monitoring the work of those agencies as

:13:24. > :13:27.strongly as they should. One of the things at the Institute that we are

:13:28. > :13:31.doing is putting in -- in place calls being made to people are made

:13:32. > :13:36.in the right way and not breaching the standards we have set. Chris,

:13:37. > :13:41.you are listening, what do you make of what you are hearing here, is it

:13:42. > :13:46.enough? I don't think it is enough but it is a good first step. It is

:13:47. > :13:51.quite a complicated issue. I don't think we can expect a perfect

:13:52. > :13:56.solution delivered immediately. This is something to probably build upon.

:13:57. > :13:57.The outside agencies are also working in a much more free

:13:58. > :14:11.environment. I wonder about Chinese rules, like

:14:12. > :14:14.they call it in the stock exchange. In fairness, the charities have

:14:15. > :14:21.quite a difficult task but I think they should do more farming and less

:14:22. > :14:27.hunting, if you follow what I mean. Do you want to respond to that,

:14:28. > :14:31.Peter? Mr Rae is right, it is the first step. The next thing we are

:14:32. > :14:35.doing, we will speak to Stephen Dunmore later, we have supported the

:14:36. > :14:40.set up a new fundraising regulator which we hope will be more robust.

:14:41. > :14:45.We have asked the fundraising communities. They should have

:14:46. > :14:48.stronger sanctions, they should be able to ban charities from

:14:49. > :14:51.undertaking certain activities if they are not doing them to the

:14:52. > :14:58.highest standards that we expect of charities. For example, if there is

:14:59. > :15:01.evidence that a call centre, on behalf of a certain charity, is not

:15:02. > :15:07.hitting those high standards, we want the regulator to be able to

:15:08. > :15:10.step in and say we are no longer letting you do telephone

:15:11. > :15:14.fundraising. We want to give confidence back to the public that

:15:15. > :15:17.the charities are doing the great work they do, daily income diary

:15:18. > :15:23.out, working generally on behalf of vulnerable people.

:15:24. > :15:31.The damage is already done. What are they doing about this. Margaret

:15:32. > :15:38.said, "I no longer donate to charities who have been found to use

:15:39. > :15:43.dubious practises. If people boycott these charities, they will have to

:15:44. > :15:49.re-think." Another viewer says, "Desperate time for charities now."

:15:50. > :15:56.If as a result of everything that has gone on in the past, the new

:15:57. > :16:00.regulation means that charity donations fall or charity donations

:16:01. > :16:03.have fallen anyway because, is there any evidence that charity donations

:16:04. > :16:08.have fallen because of what has gone on? Not at the moment, no. At the

:16:09. > :16:14.moment as far as I understand donations from individuals are still

:16:15. > :16:23.rising and it shows there is a huge mark of respect to the British

:16:24. > :16:27.people who care deeply about things in society. They are still giving at

:16:28. > :16:32.the moment which is fantastic. If changes were brought in that meant

:16:33. > :16:37.that fewer donations were received because there want the aggressive

:16:38. > :16:44.pursuing of people out there to keep on donating, would that be a problem

:16:45. > :16:47.or would that be the right thing? Charities have to fund-raise in the

:16:48. > :16:51.right way in the accordance with their value systems and some of the

:16:52. > :16:53.practises that were exposed last year were clearly unacceptable. We

:16:54. > :16:58.need to make sure that charities still are able to ask and ask in

:16:59. > :17:02.effective ways so they can get money for their vital causes and make the

:17:03. > :17:06.changes in the world that those charities do whether it is

:17:07. > :17:10.responding to emergencies in Nepal because of the earthquake or whether

:17:11. > :17:15.it is helping older people in their home or giving a roof for the night

:17:16. > :17:18.to a homeless person, we have to get the balance right so donors are

:17:19. > :17:22.treated with respect and that charities are able to deliver the

:17:23. > :17:26.services that they need to deliver for people in our communities. Peter

:17:27. > :17:30.Lewis and Chris Ray, thank you very much. I mentioned we were hoping

:17:31. > :17:36.that Bernard Generalingen would join our sfrtion, unfortunately he has

:17:37. > :17:39.not been able to yet, but we will be talking to the Stephen Dunmore after

:17:40. > :17:46.10am. Still to come: Google is to pay ?130

:17:47. > :17:55.million in UK back taxes, We'll have details and hear

:17:56. > :17:57.from a politician who once called Millions of people in the US

:17:58. > :18:01.are clearing up after We'll be speaking to

:18:02. > :18:09.some of those affected. The sportswear giant Adidas has

:18:10. > :18:19.told the BBC that it's ending its sponsorship of world

:18:20. > :18:20.athletics' governing body, It's over the doping scandal

:18:21. > :18:35.which has engulfed the sport. It could cost world athletics

:18:36. > :18:38.more than ?20 million. After the deluge, snow

:18:39. > :18:40.sports on the East Coast of the US, but chaos for schools

:18:41. > :18:42.and the transport system. The region saw one three-feet

:18:43. > :18:45.of snow in some places, one of the biggest ever snow

:18:46. > :18:52.dumps affecting around 85 million Government buildings and schools

:18:53. > :18:55.will stay closed today and travel is still badly affected.

:18:56. > :18:57.It's the "last chance" for charities facing fundraising criticisms,

:18:58. > :19:00.If they don't crack down on unscrupulous fundraising

:19:01. > :19:07.practices themselves, then Parliament will.

:19:08. > :19:10.The MPs want to crackdown on those who target old and vulnerable

:19:11. > :19:13.people. Forced to wear coloured wristbands -

:19:14. > :19:16.that's the claim by some asylum seekers in Cardiff -

:19:17. > :19:18.who say they're not allowed their meals at one refuge centre

:19:19. > :19:21.in the city unless they wear them The BBC is considering plans to ask

:19:22. > :19:27.over 75s to start paying for their TV licence fees

:19:28. > :19:29.which are currently free to them It's after a funding deal

:19:30. > :19:33.with the government which will see the BBC become responsible

:19:34. > :19:36.for the ?650 million cost And trouble at Twitter,

:19:37. > :19:39.the social media giant is losing four of its key people after around

:19:40. > :19:43.8% of its workforce were told they'd The site has mostly failed

:19:44. > :19:48.to impress investors lately. Twitter's boss Jack Dorsey says

:19:49. > :19:50.the latest departures Let's catch up with

:19:51. > :20:06.all the sport now. Chris. I'm trying to watch two games

:20:07. > :20:12.of tennis at once. It is a very exciting Monday morning. It is about

:20:13. > :20:18.the Australian Open tennis. Andy and Murray Joanna Konta are in action.

:20:19. > :20:24.If Konta does it, she will become the first British woman to reach a

:20:25. > :20:30.Grand Slam final since 1984. I can tell you right now, in Melbourne,

:20:31. > :20:37.Konta is serving for the match. She is one set all at the moment, but

:20:38. > :20:44.serving for the match on the Margaret Court Arena. We could get

:20:45. > :20:47.some history in the making here. She is playing the Russian, the

:20:48. > :20:51.20-year-old. She took a medical time out during this third set, trying to

:20:52. > :20:59.play a few mind games perhaps with the British tennis player. It hasn't

:21:00. > :21:06.worked. Konta is totally focussed and serving to get into the last

:21:07. > :21:12.eight. Murray is on a packed arena. On the Margaret Court Arena it is

:21:13. > :21:16.empty. Unbelievable. Murray is playing the Aussie and he is going

:21:17. > :21:25.really well, Murray. He took the first set. It is even Stephens in

:21:26. > :21:30.the second. Murray has a really good record against Tomic. Tomic has

:21:31. > :21:34.never taken a set off Murray in their three meetings. You might

:21:35. > :21:40.remember these two met in the Davis Cup in Glasgow last year and Murray

:21:41. > :21:43.beat him comfortably. Konta in Melbourne right now, serving for

:21:44. > :21:49.this. Remember, she came to light last year. And since then she

:21:50. > :21:52.defeated five or maybe more 20 top players and she is on the cusp of

:21:53. > :21:55.doing the greatest thing she has done so far in her career, getting

:21:56. > :21:59.through to the quarterfinals of the Australian Open. We will keep you

:22:00. > :22:06.updated. Thank you very much.

:22:07. > :22:08.Cities along the east coast of the United States are slowly

:22:09. > :22:11.recovering from one of the most severe winter storms ever recorded.

:22:12. > :22:13.At least 28 deaths have been linked to the blizzard.

:22:14. > :22:16.Government buildings in Washington and many schools will be closed

:22:17. > :22:18.today and flights and public transport remain severely disrupted.

:22:19. > :22:20.In Washington DC, more than 22 inches of snow fell

:22:21. > :22:27.This time-lapse footage shows how the city was changed

:22:28. > :22:40.Let's get the latest and speak to some of those people affected.

:22:41. > :22:45.She had to be pulled out of a snow drift she sank into.

:22:46. > :22:49.She's been stuck inside her house for most of the weekend

:22:50. > :22:50.and Idil Ozer is in Arlington, Virginia.

:22:51. > :22:55.She's been too scared to go outside the snow is so bad.

:22:56. > :23:02.Thank you you had to be pulled out of a

:23:03. > :23:07.snowdrift, what happened? Well, I was walking to Central Park and I

:23:08. > :23:10.decided to stray from the normal path that was paved because there

:23:11. > :23:16.were a lot of people there and I ended up going to a spot of snow

:23:17. > :23:21.that hasn't been touched before and I just sunk in knee-deep and a

:23:22. > :23:26.stranger pulled me out and we waddled a little and it was just a

:23:27. > :23:30.really fun morning. Not unlike a normal typical day in New York City.

:23:31. > :23:34.Fun, normal typical day in New York City.

:23:35. > :23:38.problems too, isn't it? What is the situation in New York City? It is.

:23:39. > :23:40.Well, 11 States were situation in New York City? It is.

:23:41. > :23:44.of emergency including New situation in New York City? It is.

:23:45. > :23:52.is considered the second situation in New York City? It is.

:23:53. > :23:57.1869. There are some people affected. However, the majority are

:23:58. > :24:06.keeping a good spirit. Remember, this is the land of 9/11. People are

:24:07. > :24:09.used to overcoming tragedy and so this was actually

:24:10. > :24:16.used to overcoming tragedy and so chill compared to the other things

:24:17. > :24:20.they have had to deal with. You have been stuck, haven't you? Yeah, I

:24:21. > :24:25.have been stuck here for three days I would say and cabin fever is

:24:26. > :24:35.totally real right now. How bad is it? I would say it is 23 inches. It

:24:36. > :24:41.stopped snowing like 24 hours ago, but then again, it is really hard to

:24:42. > :24:49.take the snow off the roads. Would you have wanted to venture out if

:24:50. > :24:53.you could? I kind of tried for food. It failed miserably because it was

:24:54. > :24:57.right in middle of the storm too. After the storm it wasn't as bad,

:24:58. > :25:01.but I would not recommend going out there. Mary, you didn't want to go

:25:02. > :25:06.out at all, did you? Tell you what it is like where you are? We're

:25:07. > :25:12.pretty buried here. It is hard to get out. Luckily there is a wine bar

:25:13. > :25:18.and tapas restaurant across the street which opened up and I saw it

:25:19. > :25:22.and the chef was creating paella for the neighbourhood. We have had a

:25:23. > :25:27.good time. That's a short distance away from my front door, but it has

:25:28. > :25:33.been fun. Have you encountered any things that caused you difficulties?

:25:34. > :25:36.Yeah, it is hard. You can't get the public transportation. The metro has

:25:37. > :25:39.been closed. My dog isn't tall enough for the snow. She has been

:25:40. > :25:44.having trouble bouncing around and getting from place to place. So we

:25:45. > :25:49.have had our struggles, definitely. 24 inches is a lot. What about work?

:25:50. > :25:53.I think you're in charge at your work, are you for deciding whether

:25:54. > :25:57.others get to work. Do you think many others will be getting to work

:25:58. > :26:00.today? Everyone is working from home today like the Government. The

:26:01. > :26:03.Government is closed so I have sent out the e-mail to tell people that

:26:04. > :26:08.they can work from home today. We're all at home. Are you going to be

:26:09. > :26:12.able to get to work? I work in the Government so I'm off for today.

:26:13. > :26:16.Fortunately. Jasmine, you have been out and about, haven't you? You said

:26:17. > :26:20.you got caught in a snowdrift and you went out in Central Park, are

:26:21. > :26:25.you going to be able to carry on where business as normal today? Yes,

:26:26. > :26:29.I'm working remotely today. Jasmine, you have only lived in New York City

:26:30. > :26:34.for a few years. You're from Saudi Arabia. Yes. Have you ever seen

:26:35. > :26:44.anything like this, could you comprehend snow like this? No. It

:26:45. > :26:48.felt like Jonas was a procastnator and gave us winter all in one day. I

:26:49. > :26:53.have never seen snow this massive before and a lot of New Yorkers

:26:54. > :26:59.haven't either especially those who use the city as their new home. We

:27:00. > :27:03.are watching someone snowboarding. What did you see when you were out

:27:04. > :27:07.and about, anything on a par with that?

:27:08. > :27:12.Well, yes, Central Park was amazing. The team did a great job this year.

:27:13. > :27:17.It is the first time that Central Park is measuring the official snow

:27:18. > :27:20.measurements this year and we had a travel ban so vehicles, non

:27:21. > :27:27.emergency vehicles weren't allowed on the road until 7am on Sunday. So

:27:28. > :27:33.during that time, while we were indoors sleeping or eating or binge

:27:34. > :27:38.watching TV, the team at Central Park were shovelling and clearing

:27:39. > :27:45.the roads. It was extremely safe. People were just really having a

:27:46. > :27:48.really fun day out and I was pleasantly surprised at how

:27:49. > :27:53.wonderfully organised it was. They even cleared park benches and dried

:27:54. > :27:57.them so that when you would go into the park you had a safe place to sit

:27:58. > :28:01.down. People were sledding, people were skiing, people were just

:28:02. > :28:05.walking around. A loft dogs. A lot of children. And a lot of big kids

:28:06. > :28:11.walking around in snowball fights! It was a lot of fun. It sounds it.

:28:12. > :28:17.Thank you very much for joining us. Good luck with getting on with work

:28:18. > :28:20.the other two of you who have been a bit more housebound. Thank you.

:28:21. > :28:24.Still to come today: We'll be live at the inquests into the deaths

:28:25. > :28:25.of 96 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough.

:28:26. > :28:28.The coroner is due to start summing up the evidence.

:28:29. > :28:36.It's emerged that a company working for the Home Office has been making

:28:37. > :28:38.asylum seekers wear red wristbands in order to receive food

:28:39. > :28:39.at their temporary accommodation in Cardiff.

:28:40. > :28:42.Some residents say the wristbands marked them out and they'd been

:28:43. > :28:48.It follows the news we reported last week that asylum seekers

:28:49. > :28:53.in Middlesbrough had complained their houses

:28:54. > :28:56.were targeted after people realised all front doors were painted red.

:28:57. > :28:58.Jo Stevens is the MP for Cardiff Central.

:28:59. > :29:00.She's been told this morning that the wristbands

:29:01. > :29:06.Joining us from Cardiff is Eric Ngalle.

:29:07. > :29:08.He stayed at Lynx House before he was granted refugee

:29:09. > :29:16.He says he was abused in the street for wearing the wristband.

:29:17. > :29:26.Thank you both very much for joining us. Eric, tell us about the

:29:27. > :29:29.wristband. It was issued between meals. So you go there on a

:29:30. > :29:34.particular day and you don't know whether it is going to be pink,

:29:35. > :29:39.silver, plaque or blue. So that was just standard procedure. Explain

:29:40. > :29:44.that. It wasn't always a particular colour, it was, how did it work? It

:29:45. > :29:49.fluctuated on a daily basis. In fact, so you go for meal time at

:29:50. > :29:54.lunch and they will give you silver band and when you go for dinner,

:29:55. > :29:58.they will give you a red one. However, the system was so bad, if

:29:59. > :30:02.for some reason or the other, the wristband was not on your wrist when

:30:03. > :30:08.you came back, you had to justify whether you've lost it and you had

:30:09. > :30:11.to spend time in reception, not only were they issuing wristbands, we

:30:12. > :30:14.were told that failure to wear the wristband would affect your case

:30:15. > :30:18.with the Home Office negatively. That and the fact that without a

:30:19. > :30:21.wristband you wouldn't be given food to eat and without a wristband some

:30:22. > :30:29.people went without food all day. You were abused as a result of

:30:30. > :30:38.wearing the wristband? That is correct. Working from the Lynx Hotel

:30:39. > :30:44.where we had food, it was normally at traffic time. People who noticed

:30:45. > :30:51.the wristbands would honk their car horns shouting for us to go back

:30:52. > :30:56.home. I could deal with this situation, but Mr Abdul carrying

:30:57. > :31:00.from Saddam could not speak a single word of English and he was always

:31:01. > :31:05.reminded of the fact that losing his wristband was tantamount to losing

:31:06. > :31:08.his case with the Home Office. They were depressed. People were crying

:31:09. > :31:12.because they lost their wristband and they knew that they would go

:31:13. > :31:17.without food. They didn't have any other means of sustenance. If you

:31:18. > :31:20.don't have lunch and dinner, you go without food. Did you feel

:31:21. > :31:24.absolutely sure that the wristbands were marking you and others out as

:31:25. > :31:31.asylum seekers and that you were being abused as a direct result of

:31:32. > :31:34.that? That is correct. There was a direct link. If the idea was that

:31:35. > :31:38.people would wear wristbands during the meal and took them off after,

:31:39. > :31:42.that would have been reasonable. But the fact that they stipulated

:31:43. > :31:48.whether you are within the confines of Lynx Hotel or outside Lynx Hotel

:31:49. > :31:53.you had to wear the wristbands at all time. That is selective

:31:54. > :31:58.discrimination. How buzz visible were they. -- how visible. You say

:31:59. > :32:02.people were targeting you because of the wristbands, it sounds like they

:32:03. > :32:07.were prominent. Could they not be hidden under a sleeve? Remember, I

:32:08. > :32:09.was there between June- July, summertime, this is not something

:32:10. > :32:21.you could easily conceal. MP for Cardiff Central, Jo what do

:32:22. > :32:25.you think of this. I read the reports over the weekend over the

:32:26. > :32:29.issue of the wristbands. I was concerned as a member people

:32:30. > :32:33.contacted me from Cardiff. I spoke to the company yesterday and they

:32:34. > :32:37.assured me yesterday that they would be abandoning the wristbands and

:32:38. > :32:41.replacing them with a different system. I suggested photo ID cards

:32:42. > :32:48.which people could keep in their pockets and would not identify them

:32:49. > :32:52.outside of Lynx House. I have had confirmation from the company and

:32:53. > :32:55.they will be removing the wristbands with effect from today. What about

:32:56. > :33:02.the fact that they were used in the first place? I just think that... If

:33:03. > :33:05.you think about the context of people being asked to wear these

:33:06. > :33:10.wristbands. They fled from war-torn countries. Most of these people who

:33:11. > :33:14.are in Lynx have come from Syria, they don't want to be readily

:33:15. > :33:21.identifiable. They are fleeing persecution, fleeing warl. And these

:33:22. > :33:32.wristbands made them identifiable outside the confines of Lynx House.

:33:33. > :33:34.This seems like a crass and unnecessary and insensitive scheme

:33:35. > :33:40.when much better schemes would be available. Eric, you said about not

:33:41. > :33:45.wanting to always wear the wristbands. Where many of you having

:33:46. > :33:51.to wear the wristbands were using it as an issue? If so, where you

:33:52. > :33:57.listened to? That is a complete negative, I took it up with

:33:58. > :34:02.management at Lynx Hotel but their standpoint was Yu Liu bill where the

:34:03. > :34:08.wristbands or you go without food. I took it up a couple of times. -- was

:34:09. > :34:13.that you either wear. I could cope with the situation, I understood

:34:14. > :34:19.English but other people were there, Sudanese, Eritrea and, Syrians, they

:34:20. > :34:23.did not know the left and right hands when it came to English. They

:34:24. > :34:30.were being mentally tortured. I tried to help them. I am happy that

:34:31. > :34:36.Jo Stevens has highlighted this situation and they decided to stop

:34:37. > :34:40.it, Clearsprings and they have decided to stop it. They deserve

:34:41. > :34:45.some sort of human dignity, they are human beings. They are traumatised

:34:46. > :34:52.enough, segregating them with this wristband policy is not good. Jo,

:34:53. > :34:56.Eric is saying he and others were raising this as an issue but it

:34:57. > :35:02.wasn't listened to, it went on for some time. You put in a call, it was

:35:03. > :35:08.dealt with swiftly. It doesn't seem difficult, it is going for so long

:35:09. > :35:11.when clearly they were causing it seems concerned and unhappiness? I

:35:12. > :35:15.am very surprised and that is one of the things I will be raising

:35:16. > :35:20.hopefully later today in the House of Commons. When representations

:35:21. > :35:23.being made, why Clearsprings nor the Home Office took any action to stop

:35:24. > :35:26.this procedure. I would like Home Office took any action to stop

:35:27. > :35:30.to Eric on behalf of many people Home Office took any action to stop

:35:31. > :35:34.Cardiff who have contacted me, we are very sorry for anybody

:35:35. > :35:34.Cardiff who have contacted me, we suffered abuse as a result of being

:35:35. > :35:39.identified as and asylum suffered abuse as a result of being

:35:40. > :35:43.Cardiff has always been a welcoming city full of generous and

:35:44. > :35:43.Cardiff has always been a welcoming people who have welcomed people from

:35:44. > :35:45.all over the world people who have welcomed people from

:35:46. > :35:47.want people outside people who have welcomed people from

:35:48. > :35:50.think they are not Cardiff because they certainly are.

:35:51. > :35:56.Thank you both. We asked the private company

:35:57. > :35:58.that runs Lynx House, Clearsprings Ready Homes, for

:35:59. > :36:01.an interview which they declined. A Home Office spokesperson told this

:36:02. > :36:03.programme this morning that Clearsprings were withdrawing

:36:04. > :36:05.the wristbands from use. It went on to say it expects

:36:06. > :36:07.the highest standards from all of its contractors -

:36:08. > :36:10.and that includes not endangering If there is any evidence that this

:36:11. > :36:26.wasn't the case, it would be dealt A couple of e-mails. Why was it

:36:27. > :36:30.considered necessary for these wristbands to be issued in the first

:36:31. > :36:34.incidents? Presumably the super prize in company had a logical

:36:35. > :36:38.reason, what was it? John on Facebook, what is the problem with

:36:39. > :36:44.asylum seekers wearing wristbands for food, we do it on holidays, they

:36:45. > :36:46.should not be complaining, homeless people don't get food. They should

:36:47. > :36:54.be grateful. Get in contact with us. Every year a staggering 20 men

:36:55. > :36:57.are killed at the hands of partner. Now an Inside Out report has

:36:58. > :36:59.revealed that Cornwall has become the focus of some of the most

:37:00. > :37:02.serious domestic abuse against men Four of the five people killed

:37:03. > :37:07.by a partner over the past five Bill Buckley spoke to some of those

:37:08. > :37:15.who've been affected. I remember sitting there,

:37:16. > :37:20.holding the telephone I said, "oh God,

:37:21. > :37:26.what's he done now?" Peter's brother, Alan,

:37:27. > :37:36.was killed by his wife. When the full story came out,

:37:37. > :37:38.it transpired there had been some kind of domestic argument,

:37:39. > :37:40.early in the morning. And she stabbed him in the chest

:37:41. > :37:46.with a pair of scissors. The violence was triggered by a row

:37:47. > :37:49.about cleaning the house. Peter had no idea how volatile

:37:50. > :37:59.the relationship was. You feel powerless,

:38:00. > :38:02.because you think I should have done something, but of course,

:38:03. > :38:04.if you didn't know, Sandra Clinch was jailed

:38:05. > :38:07.for nine years for manslaughter on the grounds

:38:08. > :38:10.of diminished responsibility. During the court case,

:38:11. > :38:11.it was revealed throughout her life,

:38:12. > :38:14.she was prone to violent mood swings, thought to be due

:38:15. > :38:18.to a personality disorder. Sitting for two weeks in the court

:38:19. > :38:21.room, listening to this litany of past events was

:38:22. > :38:25.absolutely hellish. Three of her previous partners

:38:26. > :38:29.were called as witnesses. At least one of them

:38:30. > :38:32.had been hospitalised, But, of course, nobody

:38:33. > :38:37.ever told you about anything like this and I hadn't met

:38:38. > :38:40.these people before, If, like me, you'd only thought

:38:41. > :38:44.about women being the victims of domestic violence,

:38:45. > :38:46.you might think the story of Peter's brother, Alan is just a tragic one

:38:47. > :38:50.off, but that isn't the case. And it seems that Cornwall has

:38:51. > :38:52.become the focus for some of the most serious domestic abuse

:38:53. > :38:54.against men anywhere I stood up for myself

:38:55. > :39:02.in the beginning. It was with the threat of violence

:39:03. > :39:07.that I started to back down Which, I suppose, was

:39:08. > :39:14.the wrong thing to do. Mark, a name we have

:39:15. > :39:17.given him to hide his identity, wasn't seeing his

:39:18. > :39:19.girlfriend for long before Three months into the relationship,

:39:20. > :39:29.the rows started getting toxic. And then six months in,

:39:30. > :39:31.that was the first bit of violence that

:39:32. > :39:37.she threw my way. I had to have reconstructive

:39:38. > :39:53.surgery on my thumb. The level of violence was getting

:39:54. > :39:57.more and more intense. Men are physically

:39:58. > :40:06.stronger than women. In my family, I was always told,

:40:07. > :40:13.you never hit a woman. Because I had never seen

:40:14. > :40:17.someone as violent as that, it had never occurred to me

:40:18. > :40:24.that you can hit back. I think the fear of,

:40:25. > :40:26.if I had, I had opened up, It took a public humiliation

:40:27. > :40:36.to force Mark to get out. One day outside Tesco

:40:37. > :40:39.she attacked me outside Tesco. The thing that brought

:40:40. > :40:42.it home to me was if I had attacked her outside Tesco,

:40:43. > :40:44.people would have stepped But because she attacked me

:40:45. > :40:51.outside Tesco, people stood I could see them from

:40:52. > :40:59.the corner of my eye, whilst trying to stop

:41:00. > :41:01.her from hitting me, I knew from then on that this is how

:41:02. > :41:05.it's going to be until she either I knew that would be

:41:06. > :41:11.my life from then on. At that point, I knew I had

:41:12. > :41:17.to leave, I had to get out. Thankfully, Mark did get away,

:41:18. > :41:20.he left Wales and ended up at one of the only refugees in the country

:41:21. > :41:22.dedicated to male victims of domestic abuse,

:41:23. > :41:28.located here in Cornwall. People can sometimes come down

:41:29. > :41:31.to Cornwall like they are escaping, But what I would say is that men,

:41:32. > :41:36.generally, anywhere they are, find it hard to

:41:37. > :41:38.disclose, hard to make contact with services,

:41:39. > :41:42.the fear of being disbelieved. The fear of being seen

:41:43. > :41:45.as the perpetrator, not the victim, the stigma that is attached

:41:46. > :41:48.to being a victim makes it very hard Celebrity-backed campaigns have

:41:49. > :41:56.helped to widely publicise violence However, comparatively

:41:57. > :42:01.little is said about Nationally, about 20 men a year

:42:02. > :42:08.are killed by their partners. Here in Cornwall, five people have

:42:09. > :42:11.died as a result of domestic It's difficult to draw

:42:12. > :42:18.conclusions from these cases, nonetheless, one of the deaths

:42:19. > :42:24.has prompted action. This is an independent review

:42:25. > :42:26.into the death of Alan Clinch, It was drawn up a year ago to help

:42:27. > :42:36.local agencies learn lessons. It chillingly suggests

:42:37. > :42:38.the county may have a worrying trend of men dying

:42:39. > :42:40.from domestic abuse. It goes on to say that too

:42:41. > :42:43.many local health care professionals do not possess

:42:44. > :42:45.the knowledge to spot It's Michelle Davies' job

:42:46. > :42:51.to try to reduce domestic violence Well, this review a year ago said,

:42:52. > :43:01.didn't it, that there might be chinks in the chain of specifically

:43:02. > :43:05.male victims, what work have you done since

:43:06. > :43:14.that report came out? There were a number

:43:15. > :43:17.of recommendations and they have been completed or are in the process

:43:18. > :43:20.of being completed. Are we going to get on top

:43:21. > :43:24.of this if you and I meet Will you be giving me very

:43:25. > :43:27.different statistics, There are always

:43:28. > :43:30.lessons to be learned. But what I don't want to do

:43:31. > :43:33.and what myself and many other people do is make sure

:43:34. > :43:35.we are not repeating ourselves and not making the same

:43:36. > :43:37.mistakes down the line. That would be our pledge

:43:38. > :43:40.to people that have a Whether Cornwall's authorities

:43:41. > :43:43.can put a stop to this worrying trend of men dying

:43:44. > :43:45.from domestic abuse remains For Mark, he's just thankful

:43:46. > :43:49.there was help on offer in the county when

:43:50. > :43:51.he needed it most. With the support of the refuge,

:43:52. > :43:53.I can see that I have got some traits that

:43:54. > :44:02.are likeable by other people. I'm not this horrible

:44:03. > :44:05.man she turned me into. He has a message for

:44:06. > :44:07.other men who feel trapped in similarly

:44:08. > :44:09.destructive relationships. Let it be known it's happening

:44:10. > :44:22.to you if it is happening to you. Let it be known it is happening

:44:23. > :44:26.to that person, because it kills. It kills people either

:44:27. > :44:28.by the perpetrator or the person If you've been affected by domestic

:44:29. > :44:41.abuse, you can phone the BBC Action Line, open 24 hours

:44:42. > :44:50.and calls are free. You can watch the full Inside Out

:44:51. > :45:06.report tonight at 7:30pm Let's get the latest weather update.

:45:07. > :45:15.Incredible snow in the United States. Let me show them to you,

:45:16. > :45:24.Shepherdstown, West Virginia, 103 centimetres, more than a metre and

:45:25. > :45:30.getting on for about 3.5 feet. In 24 hours? More less. Most of it fell on

:45:31. > :45:35.Friday or Saturday, a new record in JFK, the biggest snowstorm on

:45:36. > :45:39.record. It almost hit that in Central Park it was the second one.

:45:40. > :45:45.Did you see the pictures of the pandas making snow angels in

:45:46. > :45:49.Washington zoo? Lovely. More so potentially for Georgia and the

:45:50. > :45:52.Carolina states. But the system potentially for Georgia and the

:45:53. > :45:57.producing this snow is now coming our way and it is in the Atlantic.

:45:58. > :46:02.It will bring us heavy rain and strong winds but no snow. More

:46:03. > :46:11.extremes. In the UK, we have had our own.

:46:12. > :46:15.Bottom Look at that, 24 Celsius. Gravesend, 14 Celsius.

:46:16. > :49:21.I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria Derbyshire.

:49:22. > :49:23.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:49:24. > :49:26.Charities are warned to crack down on unscrupulous fund-raisers

:49:27. > :49:37.Charities should be fund-raising the elderly and vulnerable donors.

:49:38. > :49:41.Charities should be fund-raising with the same values that they

:49:42. > :49:45.approach their service delivery and perhaps some of the circumstances

:49:46. > :49:50.that came to light last year showed they weren't embedding their value

:49:51. > :49:55.systems. We will be talking to the man who

:49:56. > :49:56.has been asked by the Government to regulate the system.

:49:57. > :49:58.In her first TV interview since the death of toddler

:49:59. > :50:01.Poppi Worthington, the children's commissioner tells us that the law

:50:02. > :50:03.surrounding allegations of family abuse, may need to change.

:50:04. > :50:06.Google faces mounting criticism over its tax deal with the UK,

:50:07. > :50:08.some say it's derisory, and Labour wants the chancellor

:50:09. > :50:10.George Osborne to explain it to the House of Commons today.

:50:11. > :50:18.We'll talk to the MP who said this to Google a couple of years ago:

:50:19. > :50:37.The sportswear giant Adidas has told the BBC it will end its sponsorship

:50:38. > :50:39.of world athletics' governing body four years early.

:50:40. > :50:41.The decision follows the doping scandal that's engulfed the sport,

:50:42. > :50:50.and could cost world athletics more than ?20 million.

:50:51. > :50:52.Fun for some, along the snow hit US East Coast,

:50:53. > :50:54.but residents face more massive disruption today

:50:55. > :50:57.The region saw three-feet of snow in some places, affecting

:50:58. > :51:00.Government buildings and schools will stay closed,

:51:01. > :51:09.The back end of the storm will hit the UK this week.

:51:10. > :51:11.The coroner at the inquests into the Hillsborough Disaster

:51:12. > :51:13.is due to begin summing up for the jury.

:51:14. > :51:16.He'll recap nearly two years of evidence on how 96 Liverpool fans

:51:17. > :51:21.It's the longest-running inquest in English legal history.

:51:22. > :51:24.Ben Schofield has been covering the hearings from the start

:51:25. > :51:29.and is at the coroner's court in Warrington for us now.

:51:30. > :51:38.Ben, what are you expecting today? Well, this is the beginning of the

:51:39. > :51:43.end of these hearings. Inquests that began back in March 2014 and it has

:51:44. > :51:48.been an emotional journey just getting to this point. Many of the

:51:49. > :51:52.bereaved families coming too as many of the days of evidence as they

:51:53. > :51:56.could face, as they learned more about how their loved ones came to

:51:57. > :51:59.lose their lives on 15th April 1989 and emotional as well for the

:52:00. > :52:03.members of the jury. Let's not forget, seven women and three men

:52:04. > :52:08.have sat across all of that evidence, listening to what is often

:52:09. > :52:12.been distressing testimony from the witness box in court and I have to

:52:13. > :52:15.say I remember seeing some members of the jury visibly upset as they

:52:16. > :52:22.took in what was being said in court. Today, the coroner, Sir John

:52:23. > :52:25.will start what is expected to be a three week speech, sum rising

:52:26. > :52:31.evidence that's been heard over the past 21 months. It has been a long

:52:32. > :52:36.time coming. These new inquests were ordered by the High Court at the end

:52:37. > :52:41.of 2012. More than three years ago. They ordered those new hearings and

:52:42. > :52:46.today, we're taking a step close tore hearing what the new jury make

:52:47. > :52:51.of the case that's put in front of them. Ben, as you say, it has been

:52:52. > :52:56.an incredibly long inquest. A huge amount of evidence to be summed-up.

:52:57. > :53:00.Three weeks of summing-up is extraordinary. Just take us through

:53:01. > :53:04.some of the facts and the figures of that.

:53:05. > :53:08.Yes, of course, it is a long summing-up. Hillsborough is still

:53:09. > :53:13.Britain's worst sports stadium disaster. 96 dead, hundreds of other

:53:14. > :53:17.Liverpool fans injured and many of those needing hospital treatment.

:53:18. > :53:22.The evidence here has been extensive. More than 500 witnesses

:53:23. > :53:27.called to speak in court. The jury has been taken to around 4,000

:53:28. > :53:30.documents including things like police officers statements, maps and

:53:31. > :53:34.plans of the ground, photographs from the day of the disaster. The

:53:35. > :53:40.evidence here has been split up into sections. Some dating back to the

:53:41. > :53:44.late 1970s when Hillsborough was first given its safety certificate.

:53:45. > :53:48.The jury looked at the design of the stadium, the planning for the FA Cup

:53:49. > :53:53.semifinal in 1989, what happened on the day itself, how the emergency

:53:54. > :53:56.services responded and also how South Yorkshire Police gathered

:53:57. > :54:00.evidence about the disaster from their own police officers

:54:01. > :54:04.afterwards. Painstaking work has been done by investigators as

:54:05. > :54:08.they've tracked the movements of the 96 through the stadium from the

:54:09. > :54:15.moment they arrived at Hillsborough ground to the moment a doctor

:54:16. > :54:21.confirmed they had died. Any of those faces of evidence and details

:54:22. > :54:24.from the faces could form part of the summing-up. What is the

:54:25. > :54:29.timetable from here? The coroner is due to start talking today and isn't

:54:30. > :54:33.due to finish for the next 15 days. There is a half term break when the

:54:34. > :54:41.jury have been told they won't be required. They're due to be sent out

:54:42. > :54:44.to retire on 22nd February, on or around that date and they will be

:54:45. > :54:48.given a set of written questions that they have been told will be

:54:49. > :54:50.laid out clearly or them and it is through answering those questions

:54:51. > :54:54.that we'll hear the jury's conclusions. Clearly, we don't know

:54:55. > :54:57.the content of that questionnaire just yet, we are expecting that will

:54:58. > :55:00.be made public sometime over the next three weeks. The coroner said,

:55:01. > :55:04.of course, he can't forecast how long the jury will take in coming up

:55:05. > :55:05.with those answers to those questions.

:55:06. > :55:11.Thanks, Ben. It's the last chance for charities

:55:12. > :55:13.facing fundraising criticisms, If they don't crack down

:55:14. > :55:18.on unscrupulous fundraising practices themselves,

:55:19. > :55:20.then Parliament will. The MPs want to crack down on those

:55:21. > :55:22.who target old and A company that provides meals

:55:23. > :55:30.to asylum-seekers is said to be dropping the requirement

:55:31. > :55:32.that they wear coloured wristbands. The asylum seekers said they had

:55:33. > :55:35.to wear the wristbands at one refuge centre in Cardiff if

:55:36. > :55:48.they wanted to get fed. Let's go to our correspondent. They

:55:49. > :55:54.deserve some kind of human dignity. Segregating them with this wristband

:55:55. > :55:58.policy is a no, no. Our correspondent is outside Lynx House

:55:59. > :56:03.in Cardiff. Hywel, they are changing the policy now. Talk us through what

:56:04. > :56:07.has gone on here. Well, I have been speaking to some

:56:08. > :56:11.of the current residents at Lynx House behind me. Several of them had

:56:12. > :56:15.to wear the red wristband and they have told me about their feelings of

:56:16. > :56:20.how they said they had been treated as less than humans, branded as

:56:21. > :56:24.animals. An asylum seeker who I spoke to and came from Afghanistan

:56:25. > :56:28.complained to me how he has been given abuse on the street, things I

:56:29. > :56:34.couldn't repeat on camera, but as people drive past on this busy area

:56:35. > :56:38.of Cardiff, he says he is unable to take it off when he goes to the

:56:39. > :56:41.shower and when he prays. He said the red wristband is only one of the

:56:42. > :56:45.issues that they have about the conditions and they allege that

:56:46. > :56:48.people are being crowded into rooms and they think the welcome they have

:56:49. > :56:53.been promised isn't materialising. They will be pleased the policy is

:56:54. > :56:55.being changed, but they want to see the other issues being addressed as

:56:56. > :57:02.well. Thank you, Hywel. The BBC is considering whether to

:57:03. > :57:08.ask over 75 year olds to start paying for or contributing

:57:09. > :57:11.to their TV licence fees. At the moment they don't pay

:57:12. > :57:15.at all but the BBC agreed a deal with the government which will see

:57:16. > :57:17.it take on responsibility for the ?650 million cost

:57:18. > :57:19.of free licences from 2020. Trouble at Twitte, the social

:57:20. > :57:22.media giant is losing four of its key people,

:57:23. > :57:23.after around 8% of its workforce were told

:57:24. > :57:26.they'd have to leave. The site has mostly failed

:57:27. > :57:28.to impress investors lately. Twitter's boss Jack Dorsey says

:57:29. > :57:30.the latest departures Let's catch up with all the tennis

:57:31. > :57:42.now and join Chris Mitchell. Bring us right up-to-date then? It

:57:43. > :57:48.has been a great morning for British tennis. Joanna Konta made it to the

:57:49. > :57:51.last eight. She made the quarterfinals of a Grand Slam is a

:57:52. > :57:55.rare thing for British women's tennis. Jo Jury was the last to do

:57:56. > :58:03.it in 1984. tennis. Jo Jury was the last to do

:58:04. > :58:07.there? She fought back from a set down to beat the Russian 21 seed

:58:08. > :58:08.there? She fought back from a set 2-1 in a match that lasted over

:58:09. > :58:14.three hours. Konta started the game 2-1 in a match that lasted over

:58:15. > :58:22.really well. She took a 3-1 lead, but ended up losing 6-4. She showed

:58:23. > :58:26.great determination to come out and win the next one and the final set

:58:27. > :58:33.went to a nailbiting climax. She came out and won it and afterwards

:58:34. > :58:42.said, "I'm going to eat and sleep, eat and sleep and repeat." Who will

:58:43. > :58:47.she face next? Madison Keys or the Chinese qualifier. The match is on

:58:48. > :58:52.after Andy Murray. Andy Murray is in action right now. A fantastic start

:58:53. > :59:03.to the week for British tennis, Andy Murray is playing the local

:59:04. > :59:08.favourite, Tomic. It is a packed arena and Murray is enjoying this.

:59:09. > :59:13.He took the first set 6-4. He has taken the set 6-4. He has 100%

:59:14. > :59:20.record against Tomic and it looks like he is going to keep that on

:59:21. > :59:24.track as they start the third set. Murray, of course, having to visit

:59:25. > :59:31.his father-in-law Nigel Sears in hospital last week after he

:59:32. > :59:35.collapsed, but he looks like he has refocussed and could go really well,

:59:36. > :59:39.so we could have a man and woman in the quarterfinals.

:59:40. > :59:42.England's cricketers remain on the back foot though. The hosts are

:59:43. > :59:46.building a commanding lead in back foot though. The hosts are

:59:47. > :59:52.second innings. It started well for England. James Anderson taking two

:59:53. > :59:58.wickets in three balls. Including that of the captain Ab deviliers.

:59:59. > :00:02.Duminy settled the innings down to a 50 partnership. Duminy has gone, but

:00:03. > :00:11.South Africa in a good position, 111-4. That's a lead of 244.

:00:12. > :00:17.Did Chelsea's Diego Costa get an arsenal player sent off at the

:00:18. > :00:21.Emirates? It put a nasty dent in the Gunners title bid. Costa made the

:00:22. > :00:24.most of the challenge according to Arsene Wenger. You may have seen it

:00:25. > :00:31.on Match Of The Day, he said that's the game of the striker. Costa is

:00:32. > :00:35.good at that. He felt that Costa was making the most of it. The red card

:00:36. > :00:42.changing it the complexion of that game.

:00:43. > :00:45.More speculation about Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal,

:00:46. > :00:49.admitting his side hasn't United manager Louis van Gaal,

:00:50. > :00:55.to expectations. United supporters were mutinous after the 1-0 defeat

:00:56. > :01:01.to Southampton. Van Gaal said they were right to boo. I cannot deny

:01:02. > :01:05.that, I saw the match. I will be back with the headlines just after

:01:06. > :01:05.10:30am with an update on the Murray match.

:01:06. > :01:09.Thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme

:01:10. > :01:12.if you've just joined us, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC

:01:13. > :01:13.News Channel until 11am this morning.

:01:14. > :01:17.Throughout the progrmame, we'll bring you the latest breaking

:01:18. > :01:20.news and developing stories and, as always, keen to hear

:01:21. > :01:22.from you on all the stories we've been talking about this morning.

:01:23. > :01:26.Lots of you getting in touch about that story we bought you 20

:01:27. > :01:28.minutes ago about asylum seekers in Cardiff wearing wristbands

:01:29. > :01:31.The Home Office have now told us the private contractor

:01:32. > :01:41.One anonymous text, ridiculous, many people in Caribbean resorts have

:01:42. > :01:44.well and wristbands to say whether they are on full board

:01:45. > :01:50.accommodation, they paid for the privilege, ID is essential, what do

:01:51. > :01:55.they suggest? Wristband is hardly noticeable, get real. Anonymous

:01:56. > :02:01.text, I wish I was so lucky, everything had to them on a plate.

:02:02. > :02:04.Another anonymous text... Someone on Twitter, companies moaning about a

:02:05. > :02:12.food wristband, they supposedly fled from their lives from war, shut up

:02:13. > :02:15.and eat free food. The Nazis made the Jews wear yellow stars and

:02:16. > :02:20.painted their doors yellow, displacing the locals and forcing

:02:21. > :02:23.them into errors, done to specifically generate hatred against

:02:24. > :02:29.the Jews and make it easier to deport them -- into areas. Anonymous

:02:30. > :02:33.text, if I was given food and shelter, I would be glad to wear a

:02:34. > :02:37.wristband. Keep your reviews coming in.

:02:38. > :02:39.Texts will be charged at the standard network rate.

:02:40. > :02:41.Wherever you are you can watch our programme online -

:02:42. > :02:43.via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria.

:02:44. > :02:46.Charities have been told they have one last chance to clean

:02:47. > :02:48.up their act over the way they've been fundraising.

:02:49. > :02:51.MPs say they need to demonstrate they're not hounding people

:02:52. > :02:52.for money, particularly the old and vulnerable.

:02:53. > :02:57.If they don't, then MPs will bring in new laws to control the sector.

:02:58. > :02:59.They accuse charity bosses of being either "incompetent

:03:00. > :03:02.or wilfully blind" to what was being done in their name.

:03:03. > :03:04.This whole scandal centres round cases where elderly people

:03:05. > :03:06.have been bombarded with many thousands of appeals,

:03:07. > :03:13.after their names and addresses were sold or passed on.

:03:14. > :03:15.The Government has already taken action to try and improve

:03:16. > :03:18.It's set up a new regulator, which should come into

:03:19. > :03:27.We can talk now to its chief executive Stephen Dunmore.

:03:28. > :03:37.Thank you for joining us. Good morning. Tell us, first of all, what

:03:38. > :03:40.you have seen going on before. What has happened is that there has been

:03:41. > :03:47.a disconnect in some charities between fundraising practices and

:03:48. > :03:51.their social values. There is no doubt, looking at the evidence and

:03:52. > :03:57.review in the autumn, the Olive Cooke report last week, that

:03:58. > :04:01.particularly sad case, and, indeed, the select committee report today,

:04:02. > :04:06.there is no doubt that there has been a lot of public confidence in

:04:07. > :04:11.fundraising. And that charities need to do something about that. Why do

:04:12. > :04:16.you think that disconnect happened? Just given too much free rein? It is

:04:17. > :04:21.hard to say. In some cases, there has clearly been a lot of the fun

:04:22. > :04:27.raising put out to contract is, fundraising agencies. And the MPs

:04:28. > :04:31.say, on that, they were either wilfully not knowing what was going

:04:32. > :04:34.on... They basically want scrutinising what was being done by

:04:35. > :04:40.others in their name. That is absolutely right. One thing that

:04:41. > :04:43.certainly needs to happen now is for charity trustees in particular and

:04:44. > :04:46.senior management to exercise a greater degree of control over those

:04:47. > :04:51.contracts, to make sure they are in accordance with best practice. You

:04:52. > :04:57.enter the stage, you are the man to oversee all of this, why will it be

:04:58. > :05:01.any different under you? Well, there have been previous attempts at

:05:02. > :05:07.voluntary regulation, which had been to a greater or lesser extent

:05:08. > :05:13.successful. The Everington review made it very clear that it is time

:05:14. > :05:16.for a new approach. And a new regulator to give a signal to the

:05:17. > :05:23.sector that things will be different. Do you have any more

:05:24. > :05:26.powers? We don't. But we have more independence. Because we will have

:05:27. > :05:31.control over the code of guidance which previously sat with the

:05:32. > :05:36.Institute of Fundraising. We will have more clout because we have more

:05:37. > :05:41.recent losses, we will be basing a levy on charities rather than on the

:05:42. > :05:46.membership arrangements. What does that translate to in financial

:05:47. > :05:49.terms? What level of resources have you got now that wasn't there

:05:50. > :05:54.before? We are aiming and the Etherington Review said this was

:05:55. > :05:58.necessary, we are aiming for something up to ?2 million in times

:05:59. > :06:02.of resources and a staff of 20, compared to the six that the

:06:03. > :06:09.fundraising standards board had, that is more clout in that respect.

:06:10. > :06:15.Also, we want to... I think, put in place rather stronger sanctions. If

:06:16. > :06:16.charities don't improve their fundraising practice we will

:06:17. > :06:22.adjudicate complaints from the public. According to the results of

:06:23. > :06:28.the adjudication, we will strengthen the code of guidance where we need

:06:29. > :06:35.to do that. If charities are unwilling to make the changes we

:06:36. > :06:38.suggest, then we may, for example, ordered them to desist from a

:06:39. > :06:45.particular campaign that they are carrying out -- order them. Can you

:06:46. > :06:51.force them? No. I will come to that in a moment. There might be orders

:06:52. > :06:55.to desist. Also, we can name and shame, which is a pretty effective

:06:56. > :07:01.thing, I think, for charities. Is that a new thing? They live on their

:07:02. > :07:05.public reputation. The public standards board on a whole has not

:07:06. > :07:10.gone for that approach of naming and shaming. How swiftly would you

:07:11. > :07:13.decide to name and shame a charity? If a complaint comes in from a

:07:14. > :07:17.member of the public that they are being put under undue pressure from

:07:18. > :07:21.a charity, we would investigate the complaint, adjudicate it, produce a

:07:22. > :07:25.report and say to the charity, please can you implement the changes

:07:26. > :07:29.that the report recommends. If they didn't do that, we might well name

:07:30. > :07:35.and shame. Also move onto an order to desist from those particular

:07:36. > :07:39.activities. What you said some moments ago about stronger

:07:40. > :07:43.sanctions, is that the most powerful weapon in your armoury? The threat

:07:44. > :07:50.of naming and shaming? And ordered to desist. But that is not backed up

:07:51. > :07:54.by any other punishment, is it? Not act up by strategy regulation. This

:07:55. > :08:01.is a continuation of the voluntary system -- not backed up by

:08:02. > :08:05.strategic. The Etherington Review said we should have one more go at

:08:06. > :08:11.the voluntary system before a statutory system. The Charity

:08:12. > :08:17.commission also has powers. They are consulting on guidance on

:08:18. > :08:21.fundraising at the moment. If cases come to a standstill, cases and we

:08:22. > :08:27.have adjudicated, and changes in practice and we wish the sector to

:08:28. > :08:31.carry out that they resist, particular charities resisting,

:08:32. > :08:34.Willie Wood referred those cases, ultimately, to the Charity

:08:35. > :08:38.commission. -- we would refer. Because they have the powers. Some

:08:39. > :08:44.will be listening and thinking, hang on, what the charities did, some of

:08:45. > :08:48.them, was absolutely unacceptable. We MPs have ripped added, saying it

:08:49. > :08:52.is unacceptable, they are in the last chance saloon -- the MPs have

:08:53. > :08:56.looked at it. Why not statutory regulation and it would mean that

:08:57. > :09:03.charities would have no choice but to comply with operating in the

:09:04. > :09:08.correct way? I do think... I don't think that... I would use the

:09:09. > :09:12.language of last chance saloon. My experience, over the past three

:09:13. > :09:16.weeks, talking to charities, is that there is now a realisation that

:09:17. > :09:20.things are wrong and that they are up for change. I am quite optimistic

:09:21. > :09:25.that charities over the next six months, as we develop the new

:09:26. > :09:27.fundraising regulator, and incidentally, we are not fully

:09:28. > :09:33.operational until the early summer... That charities will work

:09:34. > :09:37.with us. They were corporate with us. That we can bring about

:09:38. > :09:42.necessary changes. Ultimately, if that doesn't happen, ministers have

:09:43. > :09:45.made it very clear, with reserve powers in the charities Bill at the

:09:46. > :09:52.moment in Parliament, that they will... They will introduce

:09:53. > :09:56.legislation to move to a statutory system which will presumably involve

:09:57. > :10:01.the Charity commission. Have any charities that behaved badly in the

:10:02. > :10:05.past been punished for it? I'm really not aware of the details of

:10:06. > :10:11.that. I don't particularly want to dwell on the past. Certainly, the

:10:12. > :10:18.Charity commission takes enforcement action from time to time against

:10:19. > :10:22.individual charities. I would rather look to the future. We are now

:10:23. > :10:27.working with charities and working closely with the Charity commission

:10:28. > :10:33.and hopefully we will now get things right and bring about a sea change

:10:34. > :10:38.in fundraising practice. At the end of the day, this is about public

:10:39. > :10:43.confidence in charities. And protecting the interest of donors,

:10:44. > :10:46.potential donors and the public, not least those who are vulnerable.

:10:47. > :10:49.Thank you. Thanks for joining us.

:10:50. > :10:57.Still to come before 11am: Criticism of Google's tax deal.

:10:58. > :11:01.Labour wants Chancellor George Osborne to explain himself to

:11:02. > :11:06.Parliament. We will hear from a panel of guests and we would love to

:11:07. > :11:16.get your thoughts, get in touch. All of the usual ways of getting in

:11:17. > :11:25.touch. Should there be a different level of proof required in family

:11:26. > :11:28.abuse? It is the suggestions after a court case. On the balance of

:11:29. > :11:33.probabilities, Poppy Worthington had been sexually assaulted by her

:11:34. > :11:38.father before she died at her home in 2012. He was arrested but never

:11:39. > :11:41.charged. The Crown Prosecution Service had previously said there

:11:42. > :11:46.was insufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect

:11:47. > :11:52.Her father denies any wrongdoing. And Longfield, the children's

:11:53. > :11:57.Commissioner for England is joining us to explain what she thinks needs

:11:58. > :12:03.to change. -- Anne. What needs to change? This is a terrible case.

:12:04. > :12:07.Three years since a little girl has died. Three years and we are not

:12:08. > :12:11.much closer in knowing died. Three years and we are not

:12:12. > :12:15.happened. It illustrates how problematic the whole notion of

:12:16. > :12:21.beyond reasonable doubt is for many of the cat uses around child sexual

:12:22. > :12:23.abuse. There was evidence in this case but

:12:24. > :12:30.abuse. There was evidence in this back to the place that so many of

:12:31. > :12:35.the cases are. Where children are unable to give firm details. Often

:12:36. > :12:39.they won't come forward until many months or even years after the

:12:40. > :12:44.incident happened. M6 evidence is almost nonexistent, very often. And

:12:45. > :12:51.the child can often become muddled about recalling dates and the like.

:12:52. > :12:52.the child can often become muddled The burden of absolute proof is

:12:53. > :12:57.something which many children struggle with. It means most cases

:12:58. > :13:02.don't get to court and are not successful. To be clear, are you

:13:03. > :13:07.saying that incremental courts there should be a lower threshold for

:13:08. > :13:13.cases of child abuse? There needs to be a debate. Beyond reasonable doubt

:13:14. > :13:17.at the moment is not fit for purpose for the majority of child sexual

:13:18. > :13:22.abuse cases that are being reported. It means that very few can actually

:13:23. > :13:28.get to the courts at all because they can't bring forward that

:13:29. > :13:32.evidence. In this case we have seen a ruling by the charge on the basis

:13:33. > :13:37.of probability that it probably happened. Although acknowledging

:13:38. > :13:42.that the father he denied all claims. I am not saying we should

:13:43. > :13:46.die the legal process or mad that we should embrace the probability

:13:47. > :13:51.rating at all. But it just means at this stage, we are serious about

:13:52. > :13:54.tackling child abuse, we want to protect children as much as we can

:13:55. > :13:58.and bring those to justice that have harmed children, we need to look at

:13:59. > :14:03.different ways of getting evidence. That means the police, judiciary and

:14:04. > :14:07.social services need a serious conversation about what can be the

:14:08. > :14:12.best evidence. If we know that many of the traditional forms of evidence

:14:13. > :14:16.aren't just going to be there. When you say beyond reasonable doubt is

:14:17. > :14:23.not fit for purpose, the same time as saying you want in there to be a

:14:24. > :14:27.debate on how that is is treated in courts in the future, it sounds like

:14:28. > :14:30.you have already decided. You think it should be the balance of

:14:31. > :14:35.probability rather than beyond reasonable doubt. At the moment, the

:14:36. > :14:38.need to prove beyond reasonable doubt is just a very, very

:14:39. > :14:43.problematic for the majority of cases. If you have an eight-year-old

:14:44. > :14:46.or a nine-year-old who has maybe suffered a number of incidences over

:14:47. > :14:50.the last five years, they will be telling a story, they won't be able

:14:51. > :14:53.to remember dates, they won't have friends that evidence. At the

:14:54. > :14:59.moment, that will mean that all of their evidence will be discounted.

:15:00. > :15:04.We need to really look at how we can best replace that or enhance bat,

:15:05. > :15:05.which gives more children protection for justice and going forward --

:15:06. > :15:18.enhance that. When you are talking about denying

:15:19. > :15:22.somebody their liberty and our justice system is predicated on

:15:23. > :15:26.beyond reasonable doubt? Of course. That's why I say no way must we

:15:27. > :15:30.dilute the legal system. That's very important. That must remain, but

:15:31. > :15:35.knowing what we do, it does demand that we have the conversation, I

:15:36. > :15:38.think and what it also demands is that the social services and the

:15:39. > :15:43.police themselves have greater levels of involvement, they talk and

:15:44. > :15:47.are more in touch about this, they work together in a greater way than

:15:48. > :15:53.they have been before. It is not easy. It is complicated, it is

:15:54. > :15:57.hidden. We are not talking here about diluting the legal process,

:15:58. > :16:01.but knowing we can't bring convictions on the experience of

:16:02. > :16:07.child sexual abuse then something has to change. I'm not clear what

:16:08. > :16:11.you think could change without diluting the Criminal Justice System

:16:12. > :16:16.as it is? It is about the level of evidence and how the evidence is

:16:17. > :16:18.gathered. The police have a really clear role in ensuring the best

:16:19. > :16:22.evidence is brought forward. Now, they are committed to doing that,

:16:23. > :16:27.but sometimes it depends on when evidence is gathered, how it is

:16:28. > :16:32.gathered and the like. This That is a matter for policing and every

:16:33. > :16:35.individual investigation? It is. But sometimes the level of evidence

:16:36. > :16:39.beyond reasonable doubt, the forensic evidence for instance, just

:16:40. > :16:43.isn't there. Now, it maybe that we can't improve it and we will have to

:16:44. > :16:53.look at remaining where we are, but knowing it doesn't work. So very

:16:54. > :16:56.often for children the thing I'm going to be doing with the police

:16:57. > :17:01.and with social services over the next six months. Does it make a

:17:02. > :17:06.mockery of the legal system when we have got something like we have now

:17:07. > :17:09.which is that the father denies the allegations. He has not faced

:17:10. > :17:14.criminal charges and yet a family judge is saying that he did sexually

:17:15. > :17:20.abuse the child? It makes it confusing. And very problematic. So

:17:21. > :17:25.we are in a situation where we know little more than we did. In legal

:17:26. > :17:29.terms, there has been no conviction. We're told there can be no more

:17:30. > :17:33.criminal investigations until there is further evidence, but clearly

:17:34. > :17:37.there are concerns. Now, again, social services and the police must

:17:38. > :17:45.work together in this to make sure that other children are safeguarded.

:17:46. > :17:51.Thank you very much. The Labour MP who described Google

:17:52. > :17:55.as evil tells us their tax deal, described by some as der risry,

:17:56. > :17:59.needs to be explained. We will talk to Margaret Hodge and others

:18:00. > :18:03.shortly. And what caused four sperm whales to

:18:04. > :18:05.be washed up on beaches in Lincolnshire and Norfolk? We will

:18:06. > :18:11.have the latest. The sportswear giant Adidas

:18:12. > :18:15.is understood to have told world athletics' governing body that it

:18:16. > :18:17.wants to end its sponsorship deal The decision follows the doping

:18:18. > :18:21.scandal that's engulfed the sport, and could cost world athletics

:18:22. > :18:27.more than ?20 million. Residents along the snow-hit

:18:28. > :18:30.East Coast of the US face more massive disruption today

:18:31. > :18:31.after the record weekend storm. Government buildings

:18:32. > :18:33.and schools will stay closed, The back end of the storm will hit

:18:34. > :18:39.the western UK this week, bringing torrential downpours

:18:40. > :18:45.and more flood risks. The coroner at the inquests

:18:46. > :18:47.into the Hillsborough disaster is due to begin summing

:18:48. > :18:50.up for the jury. He'll recap nearly two years

:18:51. > :18:54.of evidence on how 96 Liverpool fans It's the longest-running inquest

:18:55. > :18:59.in English legal history. The Duke of Cambridge has paid

:19:00. > :19:03.tribute to a former Army officer, Henry Worsley, who has died

:19:04. > :19:05.of exhaustion and dehydration after trying to cross

:19:06. > :19:10.the Antarctic unsupported. He was just 30 miles

:19:11. > :19:12.short of his goal. A company that provides meals

:19:13. > :19:14.to asylum-seekers in Cardiff is dropping the rule that they have

:19:15. > :19:17.to wear coloured wristbands. A Home Office spokesman told us

:19:18. > :19:20.here on Derbyshire that the highest standards were expected

:19:21. > :19:22.from contractors including not endangering the safety

:19:23. > :19:42.of those in its care. These are human beings. They deserve

:19:43. > :19:49.some human dignity. Segregating them with the wristband policy is a no

:19:50. > :19:54.no. Let's get the latest on the Australian Open. Chris has the

:19:55. > :19:58.latest sports news. Andy Murray is going very well. Joanna Konta said

:19:59. > :20:03.I'm going to eat and sleep and repeat after she made the last eight

:20:04. > :20:06.at the Australian Open. She is throwing her racket, she doesn't

:20:07. > :20:11.care about that anymore. She beat the Russian in a game that lasted

:20:12. > :20:14.over three hours. She was exhausted afterwards and emegsly, physically

:20:15. > :20:19.and mentally, she left everything on the court, but she is there. The

:20:20. > :20:25.first time since Jo Jury in 1984 that we have had a woman in the

:20:26. > :20:31.quarterfinals. Andy Murray is playing Tomic, the local favourite.

:20:32. > :20:35.Look at his touch. He never lost to the Australian and he's not going to

:20:36. > :20:42.do it. He's going well in the third set. Not all good news for you.

:20:43. > :20:48.England's cricketers are on the back foot. This is JP Duminy. They are

:20:49. > :20:57.building up a big second innings lead in that Test Match. JP Duminy

:20:58. > :21:02.giving it to the England's bowlers. Did Chelsea's Costa get the Arsenal

:21:03. > :21:06.player sent off? This is what he did next. He scored the goal that won

:21:07. > :21:14.the game. Arsene Wenger not happy and this possibly a big story for

:21:15. > :21:20.you, Louis van Gaal. They are saying he could be on his

:21:21. > :21:22.way out. He had to endure boos and cackles from the Manchester United

:21:23. > :21:26.crowd as Manchester United lost to Southampton. There is rumours over

:21:27. > :21:30.the newspapers and in social media that he could be, he could be on his

:21:31. > :21:35.way out from Old Trafford any time soon. We will keep you updated. No

:21:36. > :21:39.official news at the moment, but his future at Manchester United is under

:21:40. > :21:47.real scrutiny. Thank you very much, Chris. See you

:21:48. > :21:53.later. How much will it cost us if we leave

:21:54. > :21:57.the EU. Let's go to Norman Smith. What's the figure? The figure from

:21:58. > :22:02.the people who want us to stay in the EU is a huge one. They have done

:22:03. > :22:07.all the sums. They say look, we do half our trade with Europe,

:22:08. > :22:11.something like 50% of or more of our trade is with Europe and they have

:22:12. > :22:17.come up with a figure, they say ?133 billion will be lost to the UK if we

:22:18. > :22:23.pulled out of Britain. That works out at around ?650,000 for every

:22:24. > :22:28.business, around ?3,000 for every family, but that is the numbers

:22:29. > :22:32.they've come up with and the guy leading their campaign, Sir Stewart

:22:33. > :22:35.Rhodes was insistent that business was really, really worried about the

:22:36. > :22:38.prospect of pulling out of the EU. This is what he said.

:22:39. > :22:44.Of course, trade will continue, but will it continue at the same level?

:22:45. > :22:48.Will there be job losses? Will there be difficult negotiations to be had?

:22:49. > :22:52.China said they are not keen in us coming out of the EU. The EU said

:22:53. > :22:55.they are not keen on us coming out of the EU. If you listen to

:22:56. > :23:00.business, business said the same thing. If you ask medium sized

:23:01. > :23:03.business and they tell you the same and if you ask small businesses,

:23:04. > :23:06.they tell you the same. There is a lot of voices saying hang on a

:23:07. > :23:10.minute, we don't think it is a good idea. However, if only life was that

:23:11. > :23:15.simple. Those who want to stay have come out with a huge number, ?133

:23:16. > :23:20.billion, but when you talk to those who want to leave, they say that's

:23:21. > :23:24.nonsense. In fact, we would save ?77 billion if we pulled out of the EU.

:23:25. > :23:30.They have got this clock, let me show you this. They have been

:23:31. > :23:35.totting up what they say is the cost to Britain staying in the EU and

:23:36. > :23:39.they reckon since we joined in 1975, it cost us ?500 billion. Where does

:23:40. > :23:44.that leave you and me? Where does it leave the poor old viewer in working

:23:45. > :23:48.out what on earth is going on? I think what we're learning today is

:23:49. > :23:52.this referendum campaign, which could kick off very, very soon,

:23:53. > :23:56.within weeks, we are going to see a blizzard of figures flying this way

:23:57. > :24:01.and that way, try not to get too confused by the figures. At the end

:24:02. > :24:05.of the day, I think, for many people it will come down to their gut

:24:06. > :24:09.instinct. It won't be a matter they have come up with this sum and they

:24:10. > :24:13.have come up with that sum, people would probably form a gut instinct

:24:14. > :24:17.whether they on balance think yeah, perhaps, things will be a little bit

:24:18. > :24:21.better outside or oh no, I don't want to risk it, but it does

:24:22. > :24:26.suggest, you know, that this campaign will be hard going for

:24:27. > :24:29.viewers and voters if the two sides are just sort of trading numbers

:24:30. > :24:34.with each other because it will be very, very difficult to bottom those

:24:35. > :24:38.numbers out. Norman, thank you. We will always

:24:39. > :24:41.have you to guide us through them, thank you.

:24:42. > :24:46.Derisory, pitiful, cosy, a PR stunt, just some

:24:47. > :24:50.of the reaction to the Google tax deal which will see them paying back

:24:51. > :24:52.just ?130 million in taxes spanning a ten-year period.

:24:53. > :24:56.This morning Labour are trying to ask an urgent question

:24:57. > :24:58.in the Commons today calling for Chancellor George Osborne

:24:59. > :25:03.The payment covers money owed since 2005 and follows a six-year

:25:04. > :25:05.inquiry by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.

:25:06. > :25:07.The Tax Justice Network estimates Google should ordinarily be paying

:25:08. > :25:14.more than ?200 million every year rather than ?130m for a decade

:25:15. > :25:24.Effectively it means the US firm had paid a rate of around 2.77%

:25:25. > :25:27.when companies normally pay corporation tax at 20%.

:25:28. > :25:32.Here's a reminder of how the story has unfolded.

:25:33. > :25:35.We pay the tax we are required to pay in every country

:25:36. > :25:40.It depends where you choose to put the business.

:25:41. > :25:44.This is what all this afternoon is about.

:25:45. > :25:47.A very clear message today, most people pay

:25:48. > :25:50.their taxes, a few don't and those few, we are coming after.

:25:51. > :25:53.You are a company that say you do no evil and

:25:54. > :26:01.Tax is not a matter of choice, it is a matter of following the laws

:26:02. > :26:06.We have all heard today, how you define it.

:26:07. > :26:09.Today we announce we will pay more tax in the UK, the rules

:26:10. > :26:12.are changing internationally and the UK

:26:13. > :26:14.Government is taking the lead in applying those rules,

:26:15. > :26:19.we will be changing what we are doing.

:26:20. > :26:21.When the rules change, you should change with

:26:22. > :26:25.This is a real vindication of this Government's approach.

:26:26. > :26:26.When I became Chancellor, some companies paid

:26:27. > :26:29.little or no tax and rightly that caused public anger.

:26:30. > :26:33.Now we have companies like Google paying tax.

:26:34. > :26:36.I want the message to go out that in Britain taxes are low,

:26:37. > :26:39.but they have to be paid and I expect more

:26:40. > :26:44.This is too little, too late but at least we have something.

:26:45. > :26:46.To be frank, it looks as though what independent

:26:47. > :26:49.assessors have said, this is only paying about 3% of tax.

:26:50. > :26:53.Individuals are paying much more than that.

:26:54. > :27:04.Most people would think it is just unfair.

:27:05. > :27:08.Google isn't the only company to have been named for avoiding

:27:09. > :27:20.Starbucks, which runs more than 800 coffee shops in the UK,

:27:21. > :27:23.came under fire after it was revealed the company paid ?8.6

:27:24. > :27:25.million in corporation tax in its 14 years

:27:26. > :27:32.despite sales worth billions of pounds.

:27:33. > :27:38.In 2014 it paid more than ?8 million in tax on the back of record profits

:27:39. > :27:42.Facebook paid around ?4,000 in corporation tax in 2014,

:27:43. > :27:48.It showed the company as making a pre-tax loss but they did

:27:49. > :27:51.pay their staff in more than ?34 million of share bonuses.

:27:52. > :27:54.It means Facebook's UK tax bill was less than the average tax paid

:27:55. > :27:59.Amazon attracted anger after it emerged that the UK arm

:28:00. > :28:03.of the business paid ?11.9 million in tax in 2014,

:28:04. > :28:04.despite taking ?5.3bn in sales from British shoppers.

:28:05. > :28:07.We asked Google and Her Majesty's Revenue and Custom to appear

:28:08. > :28:09.on our programme this morning but they both declined.

:28:10. > :28:12.So let's talk about this now with Dame Margaret Hodge,

:28:13. > :28:16.who has grilled Google bosses before when she was the chair

:28:17. > :28:22.of the Public Accounts Committee and said this about them.

:28:23. > :28:28.You're a cup that says you do no evil and I do think that you are a

:28:29. > :28:31.company that does do evil. Also with us - Anne-Marie Trevelyan,

:28:32. > :28:34.a conservative MP who is currently on the committee, Lucien Bartram,

:28:35. > :28:36.a small business owner and Steve Lewis who runs

:28:37. > :28:46.a coffee shop in Crickhowell Margaret, we have seen you grilling

:28:47. > :28:50.the bosses of Google, what do you think about the ?130 million? Well,

:28:51. > :28:55.I agree it is a step in the right direction and I hope it is an

:28:56. > :29:02.admission that they got things wrong in the past. Last year, this is ?130

:29:03. > :29:07.million over ten years, last year Google earned ?6.4 billion from

:29:08. > :29:12.addresses in the UK, ?6.4 billion. Now, we have no idea the profit they

:29:13. > :29:16.made on that. And all we're really asking that on the profits they

:29:17. > :29:20.make, they should pay a fair amount of tax and the real answer to this

:29:21. > :29:26.and I hope the debate will move into this area, we have got to stop

:29:27. > :29:30.hiding behind the confidentiality of taxpayers interests so that none of

:29:31. > :29:33.us really understand what the assets are that Google own, what the

:29:34. > :29:37.turnover is they make and what the profits are they make. That's got to

:29:38. > :29:41.be open, particularly for big companies that are quoted anywhere

:29:42. > :29:45.on the Stock Exchange and once they're open we can the profits they

:29:46. > :29:49.make and then we can tax the profits in a fair way.

:29:50. > :29:56.Would you want to hazard a guess at what you think would be a fair share

:29:57. > :30:01.for Google to be paying? 2.7% is what this amount equates to. I

:30:02. > :30:05.haven't a clue, none of us have a clue and that is what is so

:30:06. > :30:09.frustrating. What we know from having delved into Google's global

:30:10. > :30:14.accounts, outside America, the UK is their biggest market. About 11% of

:30:15. > :30:20.the money they earn outside America is made here. And we know what they

:30:21. > :30:26.do, they don't fill it here in the UK, they built it in Ireland. --

:30:27. > :30:30.bill it. When we did that enquiry two or three years ago, when the

:30:31. > :30:36.first time Google came to see us, they said we do business in here,

:30:37. > :30:41.not -- in Ireland, not here. I was inundated with whistle-blowers who

:30:42. > :30:45.were people who had worked for Google, who work for Google. They

:30:46. > :30:52.said we are selling advertising here in the UK. They said we are closing

:30:53. > :30:57.deals in the UK. Journalists have looked at LinkedIn profiles of

:30:58. > :31:01.Google employees and they are all sales people in the UK. But because

:31:02. > :31:07.of this secrecy that surrounds the tax system, we are not allowed to

:31:08. > :31:14.know. For most of us, 85%, I get no if you do, we pay our taxes through

:31:15. > :31:20.the PAYE system, you will as well. We pay it unquestioningly. For us to

:31:21. > :31:23.find that the big multinational corporations established this

:31:24. > :31:30.artificial company structures which have no other purpose other than to

:31:31. > :31:36.avoid tax is basically unfair. It is unjust. We are not being treated

:31:37. > :31:41.equally by the taxman. ?130 million, is that a good deal for the

:31:42. > :31:45.taxpayer? It is a starting point. I am pleased this has been a focus and

:31:46. > :31:50.that the Chancellor has set in motion. Margaret's efforts on the

:31:51. > :31:53.PAC in the last parliament helped to focus the Treasury on making sure

:31:54. > :31:56.that dealing with international tax rules was something that was

:31:57. > :32:01.actually done, rather than talked about. There is more work going on

:32:02. > :32:06.with the OECD to improve the position with this base erosion and

:32:07. > :32:11.profit shifting that we see. International tax rules are as they

:32:12. > :32:16.are and the only way Britain can improve how we do that is to change

:32:17. > :32:20.our laws locally and the transparency Margaret talks about is

:32:21. > :32:25.important. Do you fully backward Margaret is saying about

:32:26. > :32:28.transparency? I am a chartered accountant, before that a

:32:29. > :32:32.politician, looking after small businesses. I trained in London with

:32:33. > :32:36.a big organisation dealing with big companies. The frustration is this

:32:37. > :32:40.narrative that goes on, they make six only in pounds, that is their

:32:41. > :32:49.turnover. Corporation tax is charged on profit. -- ?6 billion. We're not

:32:50. > :32:52.looking to tax turnover. There is a media narrative which is wrong,

:32:53. > :32:58.which completely warps the conversation. Starbucks is a

:32:59. > :33:03.franchise, that is different. Starbucks' turnover is built up of

:33:04. > :33:06.individual businesses as franchises. We need to understand that to make

:33:07. > :33:11.real progress. You are saying potentially this is a completely

:33:12. > :33:17.fair and correct...? It is a good start. We have completely failed to

:33:18. > :33:19.monitor exactly as Margaret says, that if they are UK based virus,

:33:20. > :33:25.they are not using international rules would allow them to move that.

:33:26. > :33:30.-- UK based sales. We are tightening up the rules slowly. Of course it is

:33:31. > :33:37.on profit. But we don't know the profit. Indeed. We only know the

:33:38. > :33:41.turnover. We only discovered during this enquiry that Google said they

:33:42. > :33:46.make ?9 billion worth of profit in Ireland. That is where they

:33:47. > :33:52.accounted for the UK sales. One other ingredient is the secrecy that

:33:53. > :33:55.makes this difficult. In France, they are pursuing Google for

:33:56. > :33:59.makes this difficult. In France, billion of unpaid tax.

:34:00. > :34:00.makes this difficult. In France, market for Google isn't as big as

:34:01. > :34:07.the British market. If the French authorities... That is right. This

:34:08. > :34:11.first deal which is reached is a step. HMRC is actually starting to

:34:12. > :34:17.do what it is there to do, challenge big organisations. Can you explain

:34:18. > :34:22.that discrepancy? This is HMRC's first attempt at a deal, it is not

:34:23. > :34:27.enough, they must carry on. It is not as far as concerned. It is not a

:34:28. > :34:32.done deal? This one is the deal arranged on a historic basis. That

:34:33. > :34:36.is where they have got to but we will get HMRC in to talk to them and

:34:37. > :34:39.try to understand more clearly exactly how they propose to keep

:34:40. > :34:45.going. To improve the tax take that they get. HMRC won't tell you

:34:46. > :34:50.anything! We had them in, time again. Every time you asked them

:34:51. > :34:55.about the individual tax affairs of any company, Google is not alone in

:34:56. > :34:58.this, they say we can't tell you, it is confidentiality of taxpayers

:34:59. > :35:03.interest. I would not have HMRC in, I would have Google in. Google will

:35:04. > :35:07.they were being clever on Friday night, I think they thought we will

:35:08. > :35:13.put out this figure, a heck of a lot of money to all of us, ?130 million.

:35:14. > :35:17.It is only when you see the extent of their business that it is trivial

:35:18. > :35:20.in relation to their overall business. They thought they could

:35:21. > :35:25.get away with a sort of PR stunt to convince the British public they

:35:26. > :35:34.were paying a fair share of tax in the same way as all of us around

:35:35. > :35:38.this table do. They got it wrong. Don't bother with HMRC, they won't

:35:39. > :35:45.tell you anything, get in Google. Both, Margaret. And the other

:35:46. > :35:49.enormous multinationals to move around the money to make it best for

:35:50. > :35:55.them. The challenge for HMRC, driving forwards. I would like to

:35:56. > :35:59.meet the lawyers who do this work. It is a bunch of secret lawyers who

:36:00. > :36:03.I have never met. I would like to talk to them about how they intend

:36:04. > :36:10.to do the best for the British taxpayer. Google pay VAT, PAYE, the

:36:11. > :36:13.employee taxes, there is lots of tax paid by these multinationals but

:36:14. > :36:17.corporation tax is for profit. If they are genuinely making profits on

:36:18. > :36:20.their sales and I imagine they are because they are successful, a

:36:21. > :36:26.proportion should be British sales and that is what we should focus on.

:36:27. > :36:29.Steve Lewis joining us on Skype. Small business owner taking part in

:36:30. > :36:35.the documentary, the town that took on the taxman, what do you think

:36:36. > :36:41.about this? I am a fair tax town person that has just sat aghast

:36:42. > :36:45.listening to two politicians who had created the most complex tax regime

:36:46. > :36:51.in the world. With the lowest tax rate in the G20. Yet we are dealing

:36:52. > :36:58.with philosophies of big companies that are only interested in a 0%-3%

:36:59. > :37:01.tax rate. No matter what you have as the standard rate, they get out of

:37:02. > :37:05.bed in the morning to try to get down to 0%. It is a race to the

:37:06. > :37:15.bottom. Or do you blame, the politicians? I blame both the

:37:16. > :37:23.politicians and the accountants. And the accountants who make a fortune

:37:24. > :37:29.and tax lawyers. To not contribute a reasonable part to our high street.

:37:30. > :37:34.The national well-being, citizens, directly affected. ?20 billion not

:37:35. > :37:37.paid by tax bill is. They negotiate their way out of trouble every

:37:38. > :37:47.single time. This latest one has been created six years ago. I agree.

:37:48. > :37:52.120 million is a good deal?! I agree with you, Steve. The work that you

:37:53. > :37:56.have been doing to defend small businesses is really important. I

:37:57. > :38:01.agree that some of the problem is with us, the politicians. We got the

:38:02. > :38:07.most ridiculously complex tax system. We have over 1100 tax

:38:08. > :38:12.reliefs. Everything from gift aid... Everyone becomes a loophole. Don't

:38:13. > :38:17.blame the civil servants, it is not HMRC's fault. I agree. You gave the

:38:18. > :38:27.tools to these companies were them to use against you. I agree. Public

:38:28. > :38:36.opinion, or I have a change.org petition to sit on the HMRC board.

:38:37. > :38:42.-- to sit on. I agree. This is not a party political point. Every

:38:43. > :38:45.Chancellor use of the budget to introduce yet another tax relief. We

:38:46. > :38:50.should care up a lot of the tax code and make it simple. Let's put it in

:38:51. > :38:58.the hands of the viewers. They will make companies be accountable. You

:38:59. > :39:05.won't. I agree. Let me say this, what we are dealing with, with

:39:06. > :39:10.multinationals is different. They are setting up artificial companies

:39:11. > :39:15.all over the world in low tax or no tax jurisdictions. The UK has 4500.

:39:16. > :39:25.Dot. UK brands that are listed as

:39:26. > :39:29.aggressive tax avoided. -- 4500... I want to bring in Lucien, he

:39:30. > :39:33.desperately wants to come in. You are a small business owner, do you

:39:34. > :39:38.think there is a level playing field? I don't think so. I don't

:39:39. > :39:42.think you can blame a business for taking advantage of the rules put in

:39:43. > :39:49.place by successive governments that have not changed. You cannot blame

:39:50. > :39:53.Google for doing what it is supposed to do. We are a country that are

:39:54. > :40:00.trying to attract international investment. We need a competitive

:40:01. > :40:05.tax regime. At the moment, what is being said is it is perhaps too

:40:06. > :40:10.competitive and it needs to be changed. But you can't vilify Google

:40:11. > :40:17.for doing what it can to mitigate its tax. If I commit to get my tax,

:40:18. > :40:22.I will. Do you think the politicians are vilifying Google? I think the

:40:23. > :40:26.public are vilifying Google. I think the reporting, the sound bite

:40:27. > :40:30.reporting, that doesn't look into the whole ballistic how much tax

:40:31. > :40:36.overall is Google paying, they are the Lavine Google. I think... HMRC,

:40:37. > :40:42.Margaret, have investigated Google for six years. You say it is not

:40:43. > :40:48.transparent! What the hell are we paying HMRC to do?! They must know!

:40:49. > :40:54.Can I just come back to you on they only abide by the law, very rich

:40:55. > :40:59.accountants, I'm afraid, and lawyers who make money out of it said to me

:41:00. > :41:04.it is your fault, it is the law. Parliament makes the law to a

:41:05. > :41:08.certain purpose. What you then get is a purpose behind Parliament

:41:09. > :41:12.bringing in any tax relief or tax offer. What happens is that the

:41:13. > :41:16.accountants and lawyers go off and deliberately find a loophole, so

:41:17. > :41:21.they are interpreting Parliament's law for a purpose it was never

:41:22. > :41:26.intended. I think it is a moral and ethical dimension. I think Google

:41:27. > :41:31.make money here in the UK. And make money here. If you get money out of

:41:32. > :41:35.people, you also have a duty to put something back into the common pot

:41:36. > :41:40.for the common good. I don't buy this argument that they pay other

:41:41. > :41:48.taxes, VAT and PAYE, we all pay a range of taxes. I pay council tax,

:41:49. > :41:53.VAT, that does not mean... It doesn't mean that is a profit. We

:41:54. > :41:55.are all making money. Thank you all very much for a lively debate. Let

:41:56. > :41:57.us know what you think at home. The coroner at the Hillsborough

:41:58. > :42:00.inquests has just begun In the last few minutes,

:42:01. > :42:05.John Goldring has told the jurors that the question of how

:42:06. > :42:09.the 96 victims died is "the most important, difficult

:42:10. > :42:10.and controversial" one. He's said each juror will be given

:42:11. > :42:13.a general questionnaire with 14 sections, including

:42:14. > :42:14.whether opportunities were lost The coroner's also said it

:42:15. > :42:24.wasn't their decision to find blame they can't find any person guilty

:42:25. > :42:36.of a criminal offence or find Postmortem examinations are being

:42:37. > :42:38.carried out on three dead sperm whales washed up on a beach in

:42:39. > :42:45.Skegness in Lincolnshire. They are believed to be

:42:46. > :42:48.from the same pod as a whale that We can now speak to Nigel Croasdale,

:42:49. > :42:57.manager of The Sea Life Sanctuary Terribly sad to see these wails like

:42:58. > :43:14.this, what has been going on? -- these whales. INTERFERENCEzilla

:43:15. > :43:19.very sad occasion. We went out to have a look to investigate. We took

:43:20. > :43:26.at least four individual sperm whales. We encountered difficulties.

:43:27. > :43:32.Some swam back off to deeper water but that left one behind Court on

:43:33. > :43:40.the rocks. Passed away late Friday night. Three others were washed up

:43:41. > :43:43.on Skegness on Sunday morning. Thank you for joining us, trouble hearing

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:43:47. > :43:49.and for all your messages which really do help to

:43:50. > :43:55.inform our conversations. Victoria is back tomorrow, I will

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:43:57. > :44:02.Goodbye. 500 Words is back - the Radio 2

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