26/01/2016

:00:00. > :00:10.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:11. > :00:13.This morning - one of Britain's greatest ever athletes tells us

:00:14. > :00:16.what the sport can do to regain your trust

:00:17. > :01:33.following the huge doping and corruption scandal.

:01:34. > :01:36.Whether you're a sports fan or not you can't fail to have been shocked

:01:37. > :01:40.by the various allegations that seem to have engulfed pretty much

:01:41. > :01:44.Corruption in football, match-fixing in tennis

:01:45. > :01:50.There we have seen allegations of blood doping, cover-ups,

:01:51. > :01:53.extortion, claims that the London 2012 Olympics was sabotaged

:01:54. > :01:56.by widespread inaction against athletes with suspicious

:01:57. > :01:58.doping profiles, with Russia accused of running

:01:59. > :02:04.Russia has since been banned from competing.

:02:05. > :02:08.Today MPs will get a chance to quiz the boss of UK athletics

:02:09. > :02:12.and the boss of UK anti-doping - we'll bring you some of it live

:02:13. > :02:19.And in a minute we'll talk to Paula Radlciffe and the chair

:02:20. > :02:22.of the Culture, Media and Sport committee.

:02:23. > :02:27.Really keen to hear from you this morning on how much your trust has

:02:28. > :02:42.Whether you're a sports fan or not you can't fail to have been shocked

:02:43. > :02:45.Here's a reminder of the allegations that world athletics is facing

:02:46. > :03:47.and an explanation of what blood doping is.

:03:48. > :03:51.Do you think that because you hold the record, which still stands

:03:52. > :03:54.from 2003 by a whole three minutes, that has led to some to question

:03:55. > :04:01.It means it is looked on with maybe some suspicion,

:04:02. > :04:11.The whole point of my career was to see what I could do,

:04:12. > :04:14.I wanted to be able to get to the end and say, yes,

:04:15. > :04:21.that was the best I was capable of doing.

:04:22. > :04:44.My recommendation is that the Russian Federation be suspended.

:04:45. > :04:48.The issue we now have to confront is, what is it we need to put

:04:49. > :04:51.in place, and some of that is already under way,

:04:52. > :05:03.that means we have never return to this horror show again?

:05:04. > :05:06.With us this morning, Paula Radclife, British marathon

:05:07. > :05:09.world record holder who has spoken out about doping.

:05:10. > :05:12.She says her name was falsely linked to doping by the chairman

:05:13. > :05:14.of the group of MPs who'll be quizzing athletics bosses today.

:05:15. > :05:17.Conservative MP Jesse Norman is the chairman of that committee,

:05:18. > :05:20.the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee,

:05:21. > :05:22.he's also with us, though he doesn't want to talk

:05:23. > :05:34.Mr Norman, are you convinced that Lord Coe is the right man to lead

:05:35. > :05:42.world athletics governing body, the IAAF? I'm perfectly happy to talk to

:05:43. > :05:47.Paula, but you hadn't discussed it earlier on. With regard to Lord Coe,

:05:48. > :05:51.we are in the middle of a process at the moment of investigating these

:05:52. > :05:54.very serious allegations and charges into blood doping and the status of

:05:55. > :05:58.the IAAF and it's a long process. We have been thinking about it and

:05:59. > :06:01.working on hearings now for several months and once we come to a

:06:02. > :06:04.conclusion, we'll look at the recommendations we are going to

:06:05. > :06:10.make. But it was very noticeable last week that the chairman of the

:06:11. > :06:13.Independent Commission at the World Anti-Doping Agency made a point that

:06:14. > :06:18.he thought that Lord Coe was the best person even despite the

:06:19. > :06:23.difficulties that the IAAF has been involved in recently. So that is

:06:24. > :06:26.good enough for you? I'm not coming to a view at the moment. The

:06:27. > :06:31.committee's investigation is still under way.

:06:32. > :06:36.What will help you make your mind up about Lord Coe? Well, we'll take all

:06:37. > :06:39.the evidence there and then we'll come to a view as to what we think

:06:40. > :06:44.needs to be done to clean up the sport and restore public confidence

:06:45. > :06:50.in it and it may be that Lord Coe's status is one of the things we

:06:51. > :06:54.consider or it may not. By far the most authoritative study done in

:06:55. > :06:58.this area by an independent agency has the view that he is the best

:06:59. > :07:01.person and that I think is an important indicator of where expert

:07:02. > :07:06.opinion and independent expert opinion lies. You will be

:07:07. > :07:10.questioning the boss of UK athletics, the chairman today, is it

:07:11. > :07:17.likely that they knew about the doping allegations globally? We

:07:18. > :07:21.don't know that. What we do know though is that UK athletics came out

:07:22. > :07:26.a few weeks ago with a very punchy manifesto for what it calls clean

:07:27. > :07:28.athletics and that contains some things that have proved

:07:29. > :07:35.controversial, the idea that records should be reset in some way, but

:07:36. > :07:40.it's also including some sensible ideas for more testing, more

:07:41. > :07:44.independence, restructuring of the IAAF, and more disclosure of blood

:07:45. > :07:48.doping scores. Those are the kinds of things that are going to need to

:07:49. > :07:51.be part of a comprehensive package to clean up the sport. That's why

:07:52. > :07:55.many of the recommendations have been widely welcomed. It's

:07:56. > :07:58.interesting that you didn't use the word sensible about the suggestion

:07:59. > :08:03.of wiping out all the world records and starting again. Are you not keen

:08:04. > :08:08.on that? It's not clear that that's what they are saying. What they said

:08:09. > :08:13.was draw a line under it. It may be that they want to say there was an

:08:14. > :08:19.era of athletics ending with the introduction of what they call clean

:08:20. > :08:22.athletics and under the new rules, there'll be other records, so I

:08:23. > :08:26.don't think it's about necessarily eliminating. I'm not speaking for UK

:08:27. > :08:30.athletics but it may be their position is not about destroying old

:08:31. > :08:40.records so much as just creating a basis on which new records can be

:08:41. > :08:45.won and made. What do you think about the fact that Adidas are

:08:46. > :08:48.terminating their sponsorship early? It's interesting and shows the

:08:49. > :08:53.difficulties under which that organisation has been placed and at

:08:54. > :08:59.one level it's a recognition of some of the public scorn that's been

:09:00. > :09:05.levelled at the IAAF. On another level, it's a, I suppose, a

:09:06. > :09:12.mechanism to deploy sponsorship money in areas and it sends a

:09:13. > :09:14.message that concern is not just amongst Parliamentarians and

:09:15. > :09:18.individual members of the public, but also amongstst the business

:09:19. > :09:22.community. When we had, in a different context, sponsors of Fifa

:09:23. > :09:25.come up in front of us in the committee in a Park Le

:09:26. > :09:28.investigation, we were very clear with them and they were very clear

:09:29. > :09:32.with us that they were backing the process of reform. So public

:09:33. > :09:35.pressure on the sponsors can make a real difference and the same is true

:09:36. > :09:40.of the broadcastest, such as the BBC and others.

:09:41. > :09:45.I'm glad you said you were happy to talk to talk to Paula Radcliffe

:09:46. > :09:48.because after the hearing in September into doping allegations,

:09:49. > :09:52.Paula Radcliffe's name emerge and she said she felt forced to defend

:09:53. > :09:56.her reputation. I know you've said it wasn't your intention for any

:09:57. > :10:00.names linked to doping Al gaiingtss to come out, but hers did --

:10:01. > :10:03.allegations. Would you like to take this opportunity to apologise to her

:10:04. > :10:09.now? Well, I think the truth of the

:10:10. > :10:13.matter is, I said then that since I wasn't naming Paula, no apology is

:10:14. > :10:18.required. It's a terrible shame her name was linked with the hearing and

:10:19. > :10:21.I'm amongst millions of people in this country who have nothing but

:10:22. > :10:24.admiration for the sporting achievements linked to her name so I

:10:25. > :10:30.think that's absolutely fantastic. What I do think is a pity and what I

:10:31. > :10:34.had not realised at the time was that Ms Radcliffe was pursued by

:10:35. > :10:39.people in and outside the sport on this issue be of hand and that may

:10:40. > :10:44.have been why the link was made but it had nothing to do with me. I will

:10:45. > :10:48.tell you one thing, the committee hearing was three-hour meeting, we

:10:49. > :10:53.went into all the different areas of the blood doping initial scandals,

:10:54. > :10:56.including reports about Russia, Kenyan athletics, it would have been

:10:57. > :10:58.inappropriate not to raise the question about whether British

:10:59. > :11:02.athletes had been involved in any way, but we did not mention

:11:03. > :11:04.athletes had been involved in any names, we were careful not to and

:11:05. > :11:07.there was no suggestion in anything that I said that Ms Radcliffe was

:11:08. > :11:12.involved and I'm very sad that it was taken that way.

:11:13. > :11:20.Let us remind the audience what you said. Here is the relevant clip.

:11:21. > :11:24.When you hear that the London Marathon potentially the winners or

:11:25. > :11:28.medallists, potentially British athletes are under suspicion for

:11:29. > :11:33.very high levels of blood doping, when you think of the effect that

:11:34. > :11:37.has on young people who hold that event and the community nature of

:11:38. > :11:44.that event, what are your emotions about that? It could only be Paula

:11:45. > :11:48.Radcliffe potentially the winners or medallists at the London Marathon,

:11:49. > :11:53.aside from the wheelchair race, it could only have been her? Well, of

:11:54. > :11:57.course I don't think that's true because there are Paralympics and

:11:58. > :12:00.frankly for what I knew at the time there were medallists as well. There

:12:01. > :12:05.was no intention to name Paula Radcliffe there at all and, if you

:12:06. > :12:09.look at the questions, those are not just about the London Marathon, they

:12:10. > :12:14.are about people competing in other sports as well. So actually, that's

:12:15. > :12:18.just been built up and it's a terrible shame that it has been, but

:12:19. > :12:23.as I say, it's nothing to do with what I said or with what the

:12:24. > :12:27.committee was working on. Let me bring in Paula Radcliffe, Jesse

:12:28. > :12:32.Norman says it was a shame, it was sad and no apology is needed. What

:12:33. > :12:36.would you like to say? Personally I do feel that I would appreciate an

:12:37. > :12:40.apology. He may not have intentionally meant to name me, but

:12:41. > :12:44.in fact if you ask him to name a winner of the London Marathon, I

:12:45. > :12:48.wouldn't imagine that he could name any of the otherses in that period

:12:49. > :12:52.and it shouldn't have come down to that and I think my question would

:12:53. > :12:58.be, did he have any conflict of interests to declare before that

:12:59. > :13:02.hearing in terms of the newspapers that were pursuing the harassment of

:13:03. > :13:07.me and threatening me and that he had worked and left the hearing arm

:13:08. > :13:10.in arm with those journalists. That would be a huge question for me. But

:13:11. > :13:17.first and foremost, for that committee and to chair that

:13:18. > :13:21.committee, to hear accusations made against a sport governing body and

:13:22. > :13:24.not have any representative of that body there, nor any expert with a

:13:25. > :13:27.full knowledge of the complicated situation we were discussing, and

:13:28. > :13:31.just to have the one-sided expert who was making that accusation, made

:13:32. > :13:34.a number of errors during that hearing which were not picked up on

:13:35. > :13:39.because they couldn't be because you wouldn't expect the MPs to be able

:13:40. > :13:42.to have the knowledge to understand the mistakes that were being made.

:13:43. > :13:49.It smacked to me a bit of a set-up and a little bit of an exercise for

:13:50. > :13:55.the MPs instead of an actual exercise to get through to the roof

:13:56. > :13:58.and to try and determine, is the UK huge, does it have a big problem

:13:59. > :14:03.with athletics. I would say it doesn't. If you ask Mr Norman is he

:14:04. > :14:08.aware of the sport which has the highest number of athletes serving a

:14:09. > :14:12.doping ban, I would hazard a guess he wouldn't be able to answer that

:14:13. > :14:15.and wouldn't be able to say how many athletes from track and field are

:14:16. > :14:21.serving a ban. A lot of points there. Could you name any other

:14:22. > :14:29.British winners or medallists from the London Marathon from the period

:14:30. > :14:35.of 2001? The answer is no, not at the moment. And I'm not sure there

:14:36. > :14:40.are... Only Paula Radcliffe? That shows my ignorance. Which is why you

:14:41. > :14:49.can't be surprised that her name emerged after your hearing? No,

:14:50. > :14:53.because there are paralympians as well and this is a matter of joining

:14:54. > :14:57.various dots together. What I would encourage your viewers to do is to

:14:58. > :15:00.spend the time and look online at the hearing because they'll see it

:15:01. > :15:04.was a three-hour discussion of all these things. Just to pick up on

:15:05. > :15:11.some of the other points that Paula Radcliffe's made. We had invited the

:15:12. > :15:15.IAAF from the outset and Lord Coe specifically to give testimony to us

:15:16. > :15:18.and it took some time to arrange that but there's always been that

:15:19. > :15:24.offer on the table. That particular hearing was on the World Anti-Doping

:15:25. > :15:28.Agency and on UK anti-doping, that's why we focussed on those

:15:29. > :15:33.institutions, as we are focussing today on UK athletics. I

:15:34. > :15:36.emphatically did not have any conflict of interest. Anybody can

:15:37. > :15:40.check that. There was a public concern raised by reports in the

:15:41. > :15:43.Sunday Times and in other newspapers which we were under obligations, as

:15:44. > :15:50.MPs, as representatives of the people, to investigate. We did

:15:51. > :15:55.investigate them. And we were very clear not to take any evidence or

:15:56. > :15:58.information from the Sunday Times or any other newspaper in terms of

:15:59. > :16:02.blood scores or any of that stuff, we were not interested in that, we

:16:03. > :16:05.were trying to get to the real questions which is, what should the

:16:06. > :16:08.international UK regulatory authorities have been doing and was

:16:09. > :16:11.there a case for tightening up the law or the rules and that's the

:16:12. > :16:16.focus we'll continue to have and continue to make.

:16:17. > :16:24.Do you want to reconsider, an opportunity to apologise to Paula

:16:25. > :16:27.Radcliffe now? I am perfectly happy to say that I am sorry to hear what

:16:28. > :16:32.happened but it has been taken in this way, but it really has had

:16:33. > :16:37.nothing to do with what I was saying all my committee was doing. I think

:16:38. > :16:43.it is a terrible shame that has been taken that way. Paula Radcliffe? I

:16:44. > :16:48.accept that, and I think that from this point what I would like to see

:16:49. > :16:52.is a move forward in terms of getting to the truth, the truth

:16:53. > :16:56.coming out, but also making sure that in all sports, the federations,

:16:57. > :17:00.the integrity and the Queen of board moves forward in the right

:17:01. > :17:04.direction. If you ask me what a government select committee can do,

:17:05. > :17:08.in that respect, in terms of improving things, it is working

:17:09. > :17:12.towards pushing through legislation to increase doping bans and

:17:13. > :17:18.deterrent and possibly look towards criminalisation of the whole chain,

:17:19. > :17:21.including the supply of the doping materials, and the athletes and

:17:22. > :17:27.coaches who take that decision to take the short cut and to cheat. Pal

:17:28. > :17:35.hounded have you felt in the last few months? -- how hounded? It has

:17:36. > :17:39.improved in the last few months. The shock and the toughest time for me

:17:40. > :17:41.was at the beginning period from July when the Sunday Times

:17:42. > :17:46.journalist first came to me and refused to give me the opportunity

:17:47. > :17:50.to sit down with the Australian experts and to reasonably discuss

:17:51. > :17:53.these things, to then hearing about other athletes caught up in it, to

:17:54. > :17:59.having to make the decision on whether or not I would publish my

:18:00. > :18:05.blood data at a time when it wasn't fully understood and I did not have

:18:06. > :18:09.the backing of the explanations of the IAAF and the world blood

:18:10. > :18:16.experts. That was the hardest time. Now I think it has come through

:18:17. > :18:20.that, I am probably at one with many in athletics, very shocked and angry

:18:21. > :18:25.at the allegations that have come out, but now I really am part of the

:18:26. > :18:30.view that we don't just criticise, we proactively work together and try

:18:31. > :18:34.to find a solution within the IAAF and the sport of athletics to get

:18:35. > :18:38.back to where Richard B, which I feel is a very strong support, a

:18:39. > :18:41.sport that I love and which I would like to make better for everybody

:18:42. > :18:47.involved -- to get back to where it should be.

:18:48. > :18:53.As you say, you were cleared by the IAAF, they say you were accused of

:18:54. > :18:57.cheating based on gross and interpret a -- misinterpretation of

:18:58. > :19:01.raw and incomplete data. Now we know what we know about IAAF, do you

:19:02. > :19:06.think some people will still think you cheated? I think that is the

:19:07. > :19:10.damage that has been done. It is one of the things I find hardest to come

:19:11. > :19:14.to terms with, something I have always been so strongly against and

:19:15. > :19:18.spent my whole career with an athletics campaigning for better

:19:19. > :19:21.tests, to have been accused of something so ab warranted to me and

:19:22. > :19:26.to know that out there, no matter what I do, there will always be some

:19:27. > :19:31.people who unfortunately will believe that -- something so

:19:32. > :19:35.abhorrent to me. I think damage has been done to my reputation, but I

:19:36. > :19:39.can stand strong because I know there is no truth and the people who

:19:40. > :19:44.really matter to me believe that, but it is still not a nice situation

:19:45. > :19:50.to be in. I think there is where the international bodies like Wada and

:19:51. > :19:54.the IAAF have let me down, because their first responsibility should be

:19:55. > :19:58.to every clean athlete that they keep their sport clean so they can

:19:59. > :20:02.keep the sport on a fair and level playing field and not be put in

:20:03. > :20:07.situations where they have their performances doubted.

:20:08. > :20:13.The committee hearing, this is the third, Jesse Norman peers group of

:20:14. > :20:17.MPs are carrying out. The boss of UK athletics, Ed Warner, the chief

:20:18. > :20:20.executive of UK Anti-Doping, they are both witnesses giving evidence.

:20:21. > :20:24.Is it possible that they really could not have known what was going

:20:25. > :20:30.on when it comes to doping at a global level? You had to be very

:20:31. > :20:35.careful and you have to understand that lots of people in athletics had

:20:36. > :20:39.suspicions and they knew there was doping going on at some level within

:20:40. > :20:45.athletics. But you cannot ban the based on suspicion and allegation,

:20:46. > :20:50.you had to have enough proof. You cannot ever put an innocent athlete

:20:51. > :20:56.in the situation that I have been in, for example. But I wonder

:20:57. > :20:59.whether enough questions are being asked by well-paid administrators?

:21:00. > :21:03.It is not the paid administrators, it is the way the system needs to be

:21:04. > :21:07.set up, so there needs to be a much bigger investment in anti-doping.

:21:08. > :21:12.That whole anti-doping integrity unit needs to be separate from the

:21:13. > :21:15.rest of the athletics federation so there cannot be a crossover in

:21:16. > :21:21.information which enabled the corruption and the horrible things

:21:22. > :21:24.we are learning about, so we need a much greater investment of funds to

:21:25. > :21:29.be able to work on lots of different levels. The me, that is not just

:21:30. > :21:32.more investment in science and testing, it is the intelligent side

:21:33. > :21:36.as well so that you concentrate those efforts in the right place. It

:21:37. > :21:41.is making sure that, across-the-board, it is a level

:21:42. > :21:46.playing field. If you ask about the level of anti-doping controls within

:21:47. > :21:50.the UK, it is very different to that, obviously, in Russia, and also

:21:51. > :21:55.other countries in Africa and the Middle East. There are lots of areas

:21:56. > :21:58.that need to, so there are no places where athletes are not subject to

:21:59. > :22:03.the same controls, all athlete should be tested the same number of

:22:04. > :22:06.times and to the same standard before going to an Olympic Games, a

:22:07. > :22:09.championship or any other competition.

:22:10. > :22:15.This proposal from UK athletics, or a suggestion to kick off debate

:22:16. > :22:19.about world records being wiped and started again, Jesse Norman has said

:22:20. > :22:23.it is not clear what they mean, I am sure he will get qualification from

:22:24. > :22:28.Ed Warner, what do you think of this? I am sure that Ed himself

:22:29. > :22:33.would say they were trying to create talking points and to take a

:22:34. > :22:38.proactive step towards restoring confidence and public perception of

:22:39. > :22:43.athletics as a clean sport. And they were trying to go. I think moving

:22:44. > :22:49.there with the world records is not something I would ever back, it is

:22:50. > :22:54.not a point we can be at now, you are essentially making a clean

:22:55. > :22:57.athlete suffered twice. I, for example, know that my world record

:22:58. > :23:01.was achieved clean, logically that means other world records were.

:23:02. > :23:05.There are some that there are doubts about, but I would rather see us go

:23:06. > :23:09.down the route of trying to prove the ones we have doubts about than

:23:10. > :23:13.wipe the record, not make the athlete who has already had to

:23:14. > :23:16.compete against cheating athletes in their career suffered twice by

:23:17. > :23:21.having their world record taken away. If you reset the records, you

:23:22. > :23:24.are essentially saying that an athlete who competed last year was

:23:25. > :23:28.not clean, but if they run the same time this year than they are. I

:23:29. > :23:33.don't think we are at the point where we can make those guarantees

:23:34. > :23:37.yet. Thank you both very much, Jesse Norman, thank you for talking

:23:38. > :23:41.directly to Paula Radcliffe. Sorry, Mr Norman, would you lie to say

:23:42. > :23:45.something else? If you wouldn't mind. I would like to say how glad I

:23:46. > :23:50.am at the very construct of tone of this conversation. At the end of the

:23:51. > :23:55.day, what we are trying to do and what I am sure Paula Radcliffe and

:23:56. > :24:00.other members of the clean-up team at the IAAF are trying to do is to

:24:01. > :24:04.create a clean sport that everyone can feel trust and confidence in, so

:24:05. > :24:08.I absolutely welcome many of the things she has said and I hope she

:24:09. > :24:12.will support many of the things we have come to as conclusions within

:24:13. > :24:17.the committee, we are all focused on the same goal and outcome. Thank you

:24:18. > :24:20.both very much for your time, Jesse Norman, chairman of the culture,

:24:21. > :24:25.media and sport committee. The committee is sitting this morning,

:24:26. > :24:29.they will be questioning the boss of UK athletics and UK Anti-Doping.

:24:30. > :24:34.Paula Radcliffe, thank you for your time. You heard a partial apology

:24:35. > :24:36.from Jesse normal -- Jessye Norman to Paula Radcliffe, which she

:24:37. > :24:40.accepted. Chris on Facebook asks whether there

:24:41. > :24:44.is such a thing as a clean sport any more? Even when your own country

:24:45. > :24:49.wins, there is the niggling question, are they clean? I feel

:24:50. > :24:53.genuinely sorry for clean sports person. Another person says, I do

:24:54. > :24:57.not trust any of the sports to be authentic, they are tainted by

:24:58. > :24:59.cheating and corruption. Kate on Twitter, Paula Radcliffe is

:25:00. > :25:07.not holding back today, this is brilliant. Paula Radcliffe, having

:25:08. > :25:12.some politician over a barrel on Victoria. The Ministry of Mark

:25:13. > :25:13.tweets Paula Radcliffe versus Jessye Norman, no contest, first-round

:25:14. > :25:14.victory to Paula. Thanks for joining us

:25:15. > :25:24.today, still to come. Concerns about whether the NHS out

:25:25. > :25:27.of hours helpline is able to identify illnesses in children after

:25:28. > :25:29.the death of a one U rolled boy in sepsis.

:25:30. > :25:32.And the number of serious incidents reported by mental health trusts

:25:33. > :25:35.That includes suicides and unexpected deaths.

:25:36. > :25:38.We'll talk to a woman whose son's suicide led to a review

:25:39. > :25:44.First, it's the main news this morning.

:25:45. > :25:48.A report on the death of a baby boy from sepsis has said the 111 NHS

:25:49. > :25:50.helpline isn't sensitive enough to identify the illness in children

:25:51. > :25:58.William Mead died in December 2014, after seeing doctors repeatedly over

:25:59. > :26:17.There were errors chewing the whole call, we weren't really listened to.

:26:18. > :26:20.-- during the whole call. The call handler did not recognise it as a

:26:21. > :26:22.complex call, there was a catalogue of errors.

:26:23. > :26:24.The boss of UK Anti-doping and the head of UK Athletics

:26:25. > :26:27.will give evidence to the Culture Media and Sport Committee

:26:28. > :26:28.following last year's allegations of widespread doping

:26:29. > :26:40.The marathon world-record holder Paula Radcliffe, who had to clear

:26:41. > :26:45.her name during doping allegations, has been speaking to this programme.

:26:46. > :26:49.And the charitable culture, media and sport committee, Conservative MP

:26:50. > :26:54.Jessye Norman, apologised to her, sort. He said, I am perfectly happy

:26:55. > :26:57.to say that I am sorry to hear about what has happened, and sorry that it

:26:58. > :27:01.has been taken in this way. It really has had to do with what I was

:27:02. > :27:05.saying and what my committee was doing and I think it is a terrible

:27:06. > :27:09.shame it has been taken that way. He was responding to the fact that her

:27:10. > :27:18.name emerged after his first hearing back in September into doping

:27:19. > :27:21.allegations. Stock markets in China have fallen sharply, reversing two

:27:22. > :27:25.days of gains. It follows heavy fault last week on Asia's main

:27:26. > :27:26.markets, sparking a sell-off around the world.

:27:27. > :27:28.Police, fire and ambulance services in England should share control

:27:29. > :27:31.rooms to improve their response to 999 calls, a Home Office

:27:32. > :27:35.The proposal is part of new plans to get the three services working

:27:36. > :27:38.more closely, although the Fire Brigades Union have called it

:27:39. > :27:43.More than 8000 serious incidents were reported by health trusts

:27:44. > :27:49.in England last year, an increase of a third over

:27:50. > :27:53.The Liberal Democrats, who obtained the figures say it

:27:54. > :27:55.raises further concerns about mental health services.

:27:56. > :27:58.Young people in the UK are spending more time online than watching

:27:59. > :28:00.television, according to an annual survey

:28:01. > :28:05.It found that 5-16-year-olds use the internet for around three hours

:28:06. > :28:11.It's been described as a "landmark change" in viewing habits.

:28:12. > :28:13.The organisers of the National Lottery, who are looking

:28:14. > :28:17.for the winner of a ?33 million jackpot, say they've received claims

:28:18. > :28:20.from hundreds of people who say they bought the winning ticket,

:28:21. > :28:24.but say it was lost, damaged, or stolen.

:28:25. > :28:32.Camelot says it won't comment while it investigates.

:28:33. > :28:37.I would love to comment, but I couldn't possibly. But we are all

:28:38. > :28:39.going yeah, of course! Aren't we?! Let's catch up with

:28:40. > :28:46.all the sport now. It has been a rather disappointing

:28:47. > :28:49.and for England in their Test series.

:28:50. > :28:52.Alistair Cook's side lost seven wickets in a little over an hour.

:28:53. > :28:54.England have won the series but South Africa salvaging some

:28:55. > :29:00.Not quite the finish that England would have wanted.

:29:01. > :29:02.We'll have the latest from the Australian Open,

:29:03. > :29:05.where there were wins for Roger Federer and Serena Williams

:29:06. > :29:08.Federer's now on course to meet Novak Djokovic in the semis,

:29:09. > :29:10.whilst Serena Williams beat Maria Sharapova -

:29:11. > :29:13.a winning run that's gone on for 12 years over her opponent -

:29:14. > :29:18.as she closes in on a 22nd Grand Slam title in Melbourne.

:29:19. > :29:23.She must hate facing Serena Williams!

:29:24. > :29:26.We will have all of the pictures to come at 10am.

:29:27. > :29:29.In a world first, 3D printing has been used in surgery to support

:29:30. > :29:33.the successful transplant an adult kidney into a young child.

:29:34. > :29:36.Surgeons at Guys and St Thomas and Great Ormond Street Hospital

:29:37. > :29:44.came up with the idea to take 3D copies of the kidney of dad

:29:45. > :29:47.Chris Boucher and the abdomen of his then two-year-old daughter

:29:48. > :29:49.Lucy in an innovative step before the operation in November last year.

:29:50. > :29:51.Speaking in their first broadcast interview,

:29:52. > :29:54.we can speak to Chris Boucher and his wife Ciara and Lucy who's

:29:55. > :29:57.now turned three from their home in Antrim in Northern Ireland,

:29:58. > :29:59.and the surgeon who came up with the idea Pankaj Chandal

:30:00. > :30:13.Right, good morning, thank you so much for coming on the programme.

:30:14. > :30:20.Chris, Ciara, just explain what the situation with Lucy was and why she

:30:21. > :30:24.needed a kidney transplant? Basically, Lucy was born healthy and

:30:25. > :30:28.everything seemed fine rage throughout the pregnancy, but at

:30:29. > :30:34.four weeks old she had massive heart failure. We went to lift in the

:30:35. > :30:38.morning and she was a ghostly white, her lips were going blue and my wife

:30:39. > :30:42.bundled her up and rushed her to the hospital which, thankfully, is about

:30:43. > :30:46.five minutes from us. Immediately they identify that she was in

:30:47. > :30:49.massive heart failure. Throughout that day she was moved to the Royal

:30:50. > :30:52.in Belfast from Antrim, but throughout the day it became clear

:30:53. > :30:58.that they could not do anything for her to save her here, so she was

:30:59. > :31:04.transferred to in England, to the Freeman's heart unit. She was put on

:31:05. > :31:08.an echo machine, which gave her heart a chance to recover from the

:31:09. > :31:13.heart failure but, as a result of the massive heart failure and the

:31:14. > :31:18.oxygen starvation, her kidneys stopped working and did not really

:31:19. > :31:24.started working again. So she had to basically go on daily dialysis. That

:31:25. > :31:27.was the first time, actually, she was involved in pioneering medical

:31:28. > :31:42.breakthroughs, because a retired kidney

:31:43. > :31:49.At that point, she needed that machine daily. It basically through

:31:50. > :31:56.a lot of ups and downs, and we were in Newcastle then for the next eight

:31:57. > :31:59.months, that machine saved her life basically because there was no other

:32:00. > :32:04.form of dialysis that she could have at her size because she also had

:32:05. > :32:07.stomach damage due to the heart failure and it had been recently

:32:08. > :32:12.invented and was still in its development. Lucy's helped develop

:32:13. > :32:19.that machine a good bit for what they learned off her. We were there

:32:20. > :32:22.for the next eight months and then had normal dialysis here after that,

:32:23. > :32:26.up until she got to the point where she was big enough to have a

:32:27. > :32:33.transplant which was just there in November, of last year. Brilliantly

:32:34. > :32:39.explained. That's why she needed the new kidney. That's two years in a

:32:40. > :32:45.nutshell! Absolutely. Said in such a pragmatic way. Ciara, I wonder if it

:32:46. > :32:50.was as straightforward as Chris has just made it sound? No. There were

:32:51. > :32:56.lots of ups and downs along the way. There were, I mean, from the day she

:32:57. > :32:59.took ill, we were told when we were leaving our local hospital in Antrim

:33:00. > :33:05.to say goodbye to her because she may not make the journey to Belfast

:33:06. > :33:13.which is a journey that we make like countless times in a week. So there

:33:14. > :33:25.were plenty of ups and downs. They had tried about four months after

:33:26. > :33:29.she first took sick to reverse it and try peritinatal dialysis but

:33:30. > :33:34.that didn't work because she had too many adhesions, so we were between a

:33:35. > :33:41.rock and a hard place and the devil and the deep blue sea. Then down to

:33:42. > :33:47.the team that developed the dialysis machine further... Is she taking

:33:48. > :33:51.your temperature? She is. She's turned into quite the little medic.

:33:52. > :33:58.Is your temperature all right, I need to know? ! Worringly, she

:33:59. > :34:03.always tells me it's 85! I don't know where she's got 85 from. Just a

:34:04. > :34:09.nice big number, I suppose? . Yes, exactly. There have been plenty of

:34:10. > :34:12.hard things along the way. Thankfully for us, you know, we've

:34:13. > :34:15.had brilliant medical teams in five different hospitals who've worked

:34:16. > :34:21.with her and got her to where she is today. And once she came back from

:34:22. > :34:28.Newcastle and was on dialysis for a full two years here on the standard

:34:29. > :34:31.machine, she did brilliantly on it. They would come and see her, she

:34:32. > :34:37.didn't act like a child, she would go in and play and was quite happy

:34:38. > :34:47.to see the nurses. It's only four... Oh, dear. You should say hello. Hi,

:34:48. > :34:51.Lucy! Hello, gorgeous, how are you? You can't see me waving but I'm

:34:52. > :34:57.going to wave anyway. You look so happy and healthy. Give a nice wave.

:34:58. > :35:05.So the nurses in the Royal Hospital in Belfast over the last two years

:35:06. > :35:10.have been kind of more like honorary to her that they have seen so much

:35:11. > :35:14.of her. We are really fortunate. There were lots of ups and downs in

:35:15. > :35:19.the first eight months but we have been very fortunate for for the

:35:20. > :35:24.times she was on dialysis three times a week, it was always

:35:25. > :35:30.straightforward. Let me bring in the transplant surgeon then, sitting

:35:31. > :35:34.alongside me here. So, I mean, the first of all, Chris was the perfect

:35:35. > :35:40.match in terms of the transplant for Lucy. You came up with the idea of

:35:41. > :35:45.use ago 3D printer to effectively build a replica of Chris's kidney

:35:46. > :35:53.which is this and Lucy's abdomen which is this. Why would that help

:35:54. > :35:59.you ahead of the operation? 3D printers has been used for cancer

:36:00. > :36:05.surgery and maxilofacial surgery. The problem we have is placing an

:36:06. > :36:10.adult kidney into a small abdomen and Lucy's abdomen was 10 kilograms.

:36:11. > :36:14.Do you mind showing our audience exactly what you were trying to do?

:36:15. > :36:18.This is Lucy's abdomen here, the print of it. This is the live, you

:36:19. > :36:22.can see that there. That is quite soft, so we can move that back. So

:36:23. > :36:29.that is replicating the softness of a real liver? Not exactly but it's

:36:30. > :36:32.the next best thing. Then you have the two kidneys here. You can see

:36:33. > :36:40.they are small. Tiny? Absolutely, yes. Then you have the major blood

:36:41. > :36:43.vessels here, the aorta and the boney pelvis also, printed in a

:36:44. > :36:50.harder material as it would be in the human body. So the printer

:36:51. > :36:55.relies on information from CT and MR scans and moulds liquid plastic

:36:56. > :37:00.under UV light to create the models. This is Chris's kidney, adult size,

:37:01. > :37:06.you can see the size discrepancy there, it's trying to place that in

:37:07. > :37:09.Lucy's abdomen, so essentially it helps us with, not only planning

:37:10. > :37:13.that approach, but thinking about the incision, how we are going to

:37:14. > :37:20.approach the vessels and the best lie of the kidney. Would you have

:37:21. > :37:24.been able to do this operation without using the 3D printed model?s

:37:25. > :37:28.Yes, but this allows a hands-on approach for the team to go through

:37:29. > :37:31.the procedure in their minds, actually physically manipulating the

:37:32. > :37:35.models in real time prior to the procedure itself. That's the added

:37:36. > :37:39.advantage. It's an additional layer of safety that we can offer the

:37:40. > :37:44.patient force this type of surgery. Chris and Ciara, you were able to

:37:45. > :37:49.hold the models. How did that help you with understanding how this

:37:50. > :37:53.operation was going to go? I was just astounded by it really. At

:37:54. > :37:57.first, to see the actual size of my kidney, I'd been told in tests

:37:58. > :38:03.beforehand and I'd seen scans and had an idea of what it was, but to

:38:04. > :38:09.actually see it in that 3D shape in what it was and to see Lucy's

:38:10. > :38:13.abdomen, an exact replica and size, it was astounding. Even prints right

:38:14. > :38:19.down to the sort of grain, if you like, of the kidney, the actual

:38:20. > :38:24.texture in a sense around the side of it, it was phenomenal being able

:38:25. > :38:28.to hold it over Lucy's abdomen, you just again were thinking, how on

:38:29. > :38:33.earth can they fit this into this abdomen, you know. It again

:38:34. > :38:39.highlighted even more just how impressive what they do really is.

:38:40. > :38:43.Let's ask the surgeon, how did you fit it in, because the way you are

:38:44. > :38:47.demonstrating this now, you are having to move other organs around?

:38:48. > :38:52.Yes, we can move the liver out of the way here. This is the side of

:38:53. > :38:57.the abdomen, you can move that up. If you hold me, I can show you how

:38:58. > :39:00.you place the kidney there. We place the kidney inside like that

:39:01. > :39:05.essentially and join the vessels up like that. Obviously, the bowel is

:39:06. > :39:09.in the way as well. We have to make sure that that's appropriately

:39:10. > :39:12.placed back, then we have to close the abdomen, some times in small

:39:13. > :39:15.children we may not be able to do that, but in Lucy's case we were. So

:39:16. > :39:21.that's the great advantage of the model because it helped us

:39:22. > :39:25.appreciate the anatomy. I can see obviously that Lucy looks fab and is

:39:26. > :39:31.energetic and lively and all the rest of it. Tell us how she is from

:39:32. > :39:40.your point of view, mum and dad? She's brilliant. She's always had

:39:41. > :39:51.energy but she has just boundless energy. She just jumps about the

:39:52. > :39:54.place or just kind of runs. Two big things before the surgery for a

:39:55. > :39:59.child on dialysis, she did continue to eat little bits but didn't eat

:40:00. > :40:03.very much so most of her nutrition was going through her gastric tube

:40:04. > :40:08.through her nose, so since the surgery, she's started to seat.

:40:09. > :40:10.She's not quite eating all of her calorific requirements yet, but

:40:11. > :40:18.she's heading in that direction and it's lovely to have her just be part

:40:19. > :40:22.of meals. We were able to take her out for her birthday for dinner

:40:23. > :40:28.which in the past didn't mean a whole hot to Lucy but we were able

:40:29. > :40:33.to do that. Also when you're on dialysis, one of your blood levels

:40:34. > :40:38.can be quite high and that can make you feel sick, your urea. Lucy would

:40:39. > :40:44.have vomited generally at least once a day, if not more, and we were kind

:40:45. > :40:48.of trying to keep up with feeds. She's vomited once since the

:40:49. > :40:53.surgery. Wow. Which obviously is so much better for her. It makes life a

:40:54. > :40:58.whole lot better when you're not changing beds in the middle of the

:40:59. > :41:02.night and trying to chase feeds, so that's two massive differences. Then

:41:03. > :41:09.another huge one is that, like last week for the first time since she

:41:10. > :41:15.was four weeks old, we were only at the hospital once, whereas she lived

:41:16. > :41:18.in hospital for eight months and then she's been up and down to the

:41:19. > :41:22.hospital three times a week and then was obviously back in hospital for

:41:23. > :41:26.the transplant. So massive change for her. You know what, she's been

:41:27. > :41:32.so brilliantly behaved and she's just starting to get bored now, I

:41:33. > :41:36.don't blame her. Come here. She's fine, she's cool. She wants to go

:41:37. > :41:40.off so that's fine. I'm so grateful for your time, it's really nice to

:41:41. > :41:44.talk to you and I'm so happy for you all, thank you so very much for

:41:45. > :41:49.coming on the programme. Thank you. Again we can't just express our

:41:50. > :41:53.gratitude to the people right from the beginning in the Antrim area

:41:54. > :41:57.hospital to the people that treated her during that horrific day of

:41:58. > :42:01.heart failure in the Royal in bell British Airwayses to the Freeman in

:42:02. > :42:05.Hospital, the RVI in Newcastle and the machine which was invented and

:42:06. > :42:13.then because of Lucy got reinvented to take her on to the next stage.

:42:14. > :42:16.Because of Lucy, if the machine didn't change, she wouldn't live,

:42:17. > :42:21.they managed to redesign it so it can take a child of 8 kilograms up

:42:22. > :42:25.to the Royal in Belfast on dialysis and again in Great Ormond Street and

:42:26. > :42:30.the phenomenal work with that 3D print out. That helped put our mind

:42:31. > :42:36.at ease just seeing what would be done, you know, and just knowing as

:42:37. > :42:40.well the forward-thinking minds that there are, like the surgeons, we

:42:41. > :42:43.don't really think about it enough. In the NHS, there are a lot of

:42:44. > :42:51.people who're continually trying to work to make the ways they treat us

:42:52. > :42:55.better. Honestly, they do it with such little funding at times and

:42:56. > :42:59.struggle to do it and the work is just phenomenal. Lucy, as you see

:43:00. > :43:07.with the temperature thing, I mean, do you like hospital, Lucy? Uh-huh.

:43:08. > :43:10.She's so happy, smiled right through it, and that's because of the nurses

:43:11. > :43:16.and the staff and the way that they've been with her. I mean, she

:43:17. > :43:19.gets kited whenever she's going to hospital even though she gets blood

:43:20. > :43:24.tests which she hates, she walks out with a smile on her face so we are

:43:25. > :43:31.so grateful. She wants to go now, she's got her bag on, she's ready.

:43:32. > :43:36.She does, she is ready to go. Thank you very much.

:43:37. > :43:41.Doctor, thank you for coming on the programme, a great testament to you

:43:42. > :43:44.and hospitals around the UK. Mica on Twitter says Lucy is amazing, he

:43:45. > :43:48.parents are so strong. Lots of comments from you on conversation

:43:49. > :43:53.between the chair of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee, Jesse

:43:54. > :43:59.Norman and Paula Radcliffe. Carol says well done Paula, you were calm

:44:00. > :44:06.and well prepared. J St Helens sse - nothing to do with me - Norman, not

:44:07. > :44:13.so much. A partial apology was given to Paula Radcliffe which she

:44:14. > :44:17.accepted into doping allegations,ers are name emerged. It was cleared. He

:44:18. > :44:20.said it wasn't anything to do with the committee hearing which lasted

:44:21. > :44:24.three hours and watch it and you will see the context. Brian said,

:44:25. > :44:32.not just a brilliant athlete, well done. Well done in your dignified

:44:33. > :44:37.stance. Pedal for health on Twitter, a wonderful interview, honest, heart

:44:38. > :44:43.felt. I'm unable to say the same for Jesse Norman. I have no doubt about

:44:44. > :44:49.Paula's integrity. Pattie says Paula was brilliant and we trust her

:44:50. > :44:54.completely. She should be in charge of the committees into investigating

:44:55. > :45:00.doping. How disgraceful that the Conservative MP found it difficult

:45:01. > :45:03.to apologise. Derek says, accused of something you have never done, a

:45:04. > :45:06.disgrace and shouldn't happen again. Keep those coming in and I know you

:45:07. > :45:12.will! Let's get the latest weather now. Here is Carol. Apparently I'm

:45:13. > :45:16.walking all the way around here to be near you and why not? ! It's

:45:17. > :45:22.going to be so worth it when I get there.

:45:23. > :45:29.machine you know we have been talking about the snow affecting the

:45:30. > :45:35.eastern states of the USA? It is on our shores, giving us wet and windy

:45:36. > :45:40.weather. Why are we not having snow, I hear you cry? For us to have

:45:41. > :45:44.widespread snow and bitterly cold weather, we import our ad from the

:45:45. > :45:50.east or, indeed, from the north, from the Arctic. We have our coming

:45:51. > :45:54.in from the West at the moment, so that system came across the Atlantic

:45:55. > :45:59.Ocean. The Atlantic is huge and relatively mild, so the snow would

:46:00. > :46:02.readily turn to rain as it progressed from the west towards the

:46:03. > :46:08.east. Westerly winds have been around that. That rain is now across

:46:09. > :46:13.our shores, some of its heavy, particularly in the north and west.

:46:14. > :46:17.Looking at the satellite picture, you will see the amount of cloud

:46:18. > :46:22.which has come out of America pushing across the Atlantic and

:46:23. > :46:25.resting across our shores. That is the system which produced the snow.

:46:26. > :46:33.Is there more on the way, I hear you cry? Is the moron the way, Carol? I

:46:34. > :46:39.love this bit of the show! As we go through this week, we could see more

:46:40. > :46:45.low pressure developed. -- is that more on the way, Carol? There could

:46:46. > :46:50.be more snow anywhere from New England to the Canadian maritimes.

:46:51. > :46:55.But that will cross the Atlantic, go to the north of us, it will affect

:46:56. > :46:59.America on Friday, by the time we get to Sunday we are likely to have

:47:00. > :47:07.wet and windy weather, but also milder conditions.

:47:08. > :47:13.Thank you for that? Today? It is wet, so that system is crossing is.

:47:14. > :47:17.Always a pleasure to see you! We have wet and windy weather today,

:47:18. > :47:25.the same system as well and truly across our shores, producing some

:47:26. > :47:31.heavy rain with height. Here is the low. Looking at the ice A bars you

:47:32. > :47:36.can tell it is windy. -- looking at the isobars. If you are travelling,

:47:37. > :47:40.bear that in mind. The rain has been rattling in quickly through the

:47:41. > :47:43.course of this morning across Scotland, Northern Ireland, northern

:47:44. > :47:47.England and Wales into the south-west. It continues to progress

:47:48. > :47:53.to the south-east. Although it might be dry, even Sony, where you are, it

:47:54. > :47:56.will not last. The rain will push southwards, accompanied by the gusty

:47:57. > :47:58.winds. Behind it for Northern Ireland,

:47:59. > :48:03.Scotland at eventually Northern England, a return to showers, but it

:48:04. > :48:07.will be windy even into the afternoon. This gives you an idea of

:48:08. > :48:12.the wind gusts we are looking at. If you are on a lighter vehicle, bear

:48:13. > :48:17.that in mind. Very gusty winds across northern England and Northern

:48:18. > :48:20.Ireland. Combine that with some gusty showers, across the

:48:21. > :48:24.trans-Pennine routes, nasty conditions to travel on. We have a

:48:25. > :48:30.gap with lots of cloud and showers, we run back into the band of rain

:48:31. > :48:31.across southern England, right into the south-west and, again, looking

:48:32. > :48:35.at gusty winds. With exposure and the south-west and, again, looking

:48:36. > :48:38.height, some will be stronger than you are seeing there.

:48:39. > :48:41.Through the evening and overnight we carry on with the rain and the

:48:42. > :48:45.South. There will be rain across North Wales, Northern Ireland,

:48:46. > :48:49.Northern England and southern Scotland. Is that engages with the

:48:50. > :48:54.cold area across Scotland, that will turn to snow on the hills. Cold in

:48:55. > :48:58.the north, not as cold in the south. I am choosing my words carefully,

:48:59. > :49:03.you could in the wind and rain it will not feel particularly pleasant.

:49:04. > :49:05.Starting on a wet note tomorrow, for southern Scotland and northern

:49:06. > :49:12.England and areas adjacent to the Irish seed you could have gusts of

:49:13. > :49:17.50, 60 or up to 70 pH as the band of rain and strongest winds move south,

:49:18. > :49:21.becoming ensconced across southern England and South Wales. Dry and

:49:22. > :49:25.brighter behind that, some showers, blustery showers in the north and

:49:26. > :49:29.west, it will be cold but still in double figures through much of the

:49:30. > :49:33.rest of the UK. Heading into Thursday, a cold and

:49:34. > :49:36.frosty start but things are a bit more relaxed in terms of the

:49:37. > :49:40.weather. It will be colder but we will seize on Joan. Showers in the

:49:41. > :49:43.north and west eventually being replaced by rain. -- but we will see

:49:44. > :49:53.some sunshine. Welcome to the programme.

:49:54. > :49:58.Exclusively on this programme, a partial apology to Britain's

:49:59. > :50:02.marathon world-record run, Paula Radcliffe, from the MP who

:50:03. > :50:07.accidentally inadvertently linked to doping allegations. I'm happy to say

:50:08. > :50:11.that I am sorry to hear about what happened to iron I am sorry it was

:50:12. > :50:15.taken this way, but it really has had nothing to do with what I was

:50:16. > :50:19.saying all my committee was doing. I think it is a terrible shame it has

:50:20. > :50:25.been taken that way. That MP will be grilling the boss of

:50:26. > :50:27.UK athletics on the doping allegations, we will bring you some

:50:28. > :50:31.of it live. Doubts are raised again about

:50:32. > :50:36.whether the NHS 111 helpline can spot potentially fatal illnesses in

:50:37. > :50:42.children after a one-year-old baby boy died. His mother once the system

:50:43. > :50:46.look that. Our call was not compliant, there were errors during

:50:47. > :50:50.the call, we were not really listen to, the call handler did not

:50:51. > :50:55.recognise it as a complex call, there was quite a catalogue of

:50:56. > :50:58.virus. Pregnant British women planning

:50:59. > :51:03.trips to areas affected by the Zika virus are urged to reconsider travel

:51:04. > :51:04.plans because of the risks posed to their unborn children. We will bring

:51:05. > :51:09.you the latest. A report on the death of a baby boy

:51:10. > :51:15.from sepsis has said the 111 NHS helpline in England isn't sensitive

:51:16. > :51:17.enough to identify the illness in children whose

:51:18. > :51:19.condition is worsening. William Mead died in December 2014,

:51:20. > :51:37.after seeing doctors repeatedly over There were errors during the whole

:51:38. > :51:43.call, we weren't really listened to, the call handler didn't recognise it

:51:44. > :51:45.as a complex call. There was quite a catalogue of errors.

:51:46. > :51:48.The chair of the Culture Select Committee has partailly apologised

:51:49. > :51:50.on this programme to the British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe

:51:51. > :51:54.The women's world record holder felt she had been indirectly named

:51:55. > :51:57.by Jessie Norman during a committee meeting last year, in relation

:51:58. > :51:58.to doping allegation in the Sunday Times.

:51:59. > :52:01.The boss of UK Anti-doping and the head of UK Athletics

:52:02. > :52:03.will give evidence to the committee later, following last year's

:52:04. > :52:13.allegations of widespread doping and cover ups in athletics.

:52:14. > :52:18.I'm perfectly happy to say that I'm sorry to hear about what has

:52:19. > :52:21.happened and I am sorry it has been taken in this way, but as I

:52:22. > :52:25.explained it really has had nothing to do with what I was saying all my

:52:26. > :52:30.committee was doing, and I think it is a terrible shame it has been

:52:31. > :52:34.taken that way. I access that, but I think from this point what I would

:52:35. > :52:38.like to see is everybody move forward in terms of getting to the

:52:39. > :52:43.truth, the truth coming out, but also making sure that in all sports

:52:44. > :52:45.federations and the integrity and the protection of clean athletes

:52:46. > :52:47.across all sports moves forward in the right direction.

:52:48. > :52:51.Some breaking news to bring you - Tesco "seriously" breached

:52:52. > :52:55.an industry code by intentionally delaying payments to suppliers,

:52:56. > :52:57.a long-awaited report by the Groceries Code Adjudicator

:52:58. > :53:01.We'll bring you more on that in the next few moments.

:53:02. > :53:03.Stock markets in China have fallen sharply again,

:53:04. > :53:07.The main index in Shanghai was down more than six per cent.

:53:08. > :53:10.It follows heavy falls last week on Asia's main markets which sparked

:53:11. > :53:15.Police, fire and ambulance services in England should share control

:53:16. > :53:18.rooms to improve their response to 999 calls, a Home Office

:53:19. > :53:24.The proposal is part of new plans to get the three services working

:53:25. > :53:26.more closely, although the Fire Brigades Union have called it

:53:27. > :53:35.More than 8000 serious incidents were reported by health trusts

:53:36. > :53:37.in England last year an increase of a third over

:53:38. > :53:40.The Liberal Democrats, who obtained the figures say it

:53:41. > :53:42.raises further concerns about mental health services.

:53:43. > :53:48.Young people in the UK are spending more time online than watching

:53:49. > :53:52.television, according to an annual survey

:53:53. > :53:56.It found that five to 16-year-olds use the internet for around three

:53:57. > :53:59.hours a day an hour more than the TV.

:54:00. > :54:03.It's been described as a "landmark change" in viewing habits.

:54:04. > :54:05.The organisers of the National Lottery, who are looking

:54:06. > :54:08.for the winner of a 33-million pound jackpot, say they've received claims

:54:09. > :54:11.from hundreds of people who say they bought the winning ticket,

:54:12. > :54:15.but say it was lost, damaged, or stolen.

:54:16. > :54:20.Camelot says it won't comment while it investigates.

:54:21. > :54:24.Let's catch up with all the sport now.

:54:25. > :54:29.What a miserable end to England's Test series in South

:54:30. > :54:40.They lost the fourth and final match. England's main task was to

:54:41. > :54:43.avoid losing wickets, but they lost seven in just an hour.

:54:44. > :54:45.Joe Root was the second wicket to fall today.

:54:46. > :54:48.After him, they kept on tumbling, Jonny Bairstow one of 13 wickets

:54:49. > :54:50.to fall to Kagiso Rabada in the match.

:54:51. > :54:53.James Anderson was the last man out as England were bowled out for 101

:54:54. > :54:58.Their solace is that they have won the series 2-1.

:54:59. > :55:02.Signs of things to come from England, but not the finished

:55:03. > :55:03.article just yet. Now, let's bring you up to date

:55:04. > :55:07.with events at the Australian Open tennis, and world number one

:55:08. > :55:09.Novak Djokovic looks like a completely different player

:55:10. > :55:12.to the one who was taken to five sets by Gilles Simon two days ago -

:55:13. > :55:15.he's two sets to love up against Japan's Kei Nishikori

:55:16. > :55:18.and the errors that marred his game against Simon are nowhere to be

:55:19. > :55:20.seen, though Nishikori is putting up He has broken Djokovic in the third

:55:21. > :55:28.set. And standing between the winner

:55:29. > :55:31.and a place in the final is Roger Federer, who beat

:55:32. > :55:33.Tomas Berdych in straight sets. Federer's last major triumph came

:55:34. > :55:36.at Wimbledon in 2012 but this was a really impressive

:55:37. > :55:38.performance against Berdych, who's been in great

:55:39. > :55:44.form in Melbourne. Maria Sharapova must go cold every

:55:45. > :55:47.time she sees her name alongside The defending champion has beaten

:55:48. > :55:52.Sharapova 18 times in a row now - This time it was a straight sets

:55:53. > :55:57.victory that took Williams through to the semi-finals,

:55:58. > :55:59.where she'll face Agnieszka Williams is the world number one,

:56:00. > :56:05.of course, and winner of 21 But if her rivals were hoping

:56:06. > :56:11.to see the back of her, I didn't even think I would have

:56:12. > :56:25.done as well as I have. So everything from here

:56:26. > :56:27.on out is just... I don't have to win this tournament

:56:28. > :56:32.or any other tournament for as long as I live, and I really

:56:33. > :56:35.want to enjoy being a professional tennis player and playing

:56:36. > :56:37.on Grand Slam courts, One more result for you,

:56:38. > :56:43.and it's good news for Jamie Murray - he and Brazil's Bruno Soares

:56:44. > :56:45.are through to the semi-finals of the men's doubles,

:56:46. > :56:48.coming from a set down to beat Yet another chapter in the Louis van

:56:49. > :56:59.Gaal saga. BBC Sport has been told

:57:00. > :57:01.that the Manchester United boss Louis van Gaal did not offer

:57:02. > :57:04.to resign at the weekend, It's been claimed that Van Gaal told

:57:05. > :57:08.executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward he was prepared to quit,

:57:09. > :57:10.following Saturday's 1-0 But we understand no such

:57:11. > :57:16.conversation took place. That is what other sources tell us.

:57:17. > :57:19.We wait to see what the next chap will be. I am sure we will hear more

:57:20. > :57:20.in the newspapers and over the coming days.

:57:21. > :57:23.There's plenty of support for new England rugby union captain

:57:24. > :57:25.Dylan Hartley this morning - a controversial appointment

:57:26. > :57:26.for many, considering his poor disciplinary record.

:57:27. > :57:29.Head coach Eddie Jones has put his faith in Hartley for the Six

:57:30. > :57:33.And two former captains have given their approval -

:57:34. > :57:35.Lewis Moody said he wouldn't want to calm him down too much

:57:36. > :57:37.because what he essentially offers is brilliant,

:57:38. > :57:39.and Will Carling said real leadership is about how

:57:40. > :57:52.Of course, the fans will hope that that will not spill over on the

:57:53. > :58:00.pitch. And that, Victoria, is all the sport this morning. Back to you.

:58:01. > :58:03.Over the next hour, we will bring you the latest news, developing

:58:04. > :58:06.stories and dip into the Parliament hearing where the boss of UK

:58:07. > :58:11.athletics will face questions from MPs about the world doping scandal.

:58:12. > :58:17.We are on BBC News and BBC Two and tell a lot and I am. At 9:15am we

:58:18. > :58:21.spoke to the chair of the group of MPs, Jessye Norman, and also to

:58:22. > :58:26.Britain's marathon world-record holder Paula Radcliffe, who blamed

:58:27. > :58:34.Mr Norman for her name being linked to doping. She felt that she had to

:58:35. > :58:40.come out and defend her reputation. He sort of apologised. Let me read

:58:41. > :58:48.your comments. One viewer on Twitter said an excellent display by live on

:58:49. > :58:51.why no one trusts politicians, it was even deflected onto the

:58:52. > :58:57.Paralympian 's high Jessye Norman. Another says a focus on individual

:58:58. > :59:02.athletes does nothing to tackle a problem which is everywhere. Another

:59:03. > :59:08.person said that the MP demonstrated that he did not demonstrate or know

:59:09. > :59:16.what his statement meant, he should apologise. You can get into edge on

:59:17. > :59:24.any of our subjects today, and wherever you are you can watch is

:59:25. > :59:28.online or on the BBC website. We know that mental health is a

:59:29. > :59:34.really, really ported issue to you. Last summer we two hours discussing

:59:35. > :59:42.it with an audience of 100 people, you felt it was a really useful

:59:43. > :59:43.couple of hours to as so many issues regarding mental health. You will be

:59:44. > :59:45.interested in this story. There's been a significant increase

:59:46. > :59:47.in the number of suicides and attempted suicides amongst

:59:48. > :59:49.patients being cared for as in patients or outpatients

:59:50. > :59:52.by mental health trusts in England. The figures were obtained

:59:53. > :59:54.by the Liberal Democrats under a Freedom of Information request,

:59:55. > :59:57.they show an increase of a third of all "serious incidents" over

:59:58. > :59:59.the last three years. A serious incident not only includes

:00:00. > :00:02.suicides and unexplained deaths but also any event which a hospital

:00:03. > :00:07.trust decides needs investigating, such as security concerns

:00:08. > :00:10.or the misuse of information. The Lib Dems say the figures

:00:11. > :00:13.are worrying and show mental health trusts are struggling to cope

:00:14. > :00:16.with a rising demand. But the Government says it's down

:00:17. > :00:21.to better reporting of incidents. Norman Lamb is a Liberal Democrat MP

:00:22. > :00:24.and was a health minister in the coalition govt for the period

:00:25. > :00:30.these figures cover. We can also talk to Janet Day whose

:00:31. > :00:36.son Alan took his own life last year aged just 35 while under the care

:00:37. > :00:51.of a mental health trust. Normankm lamb, a rise of 23% in

:00:52. > :00:55.deaths in the last three years. Better reporting, or is this a real

:00:56. > :00:59.rise? Better reporting might be part of it, but that's why I've called

:01:00. > :01:01.for the hole thing to be investigated properly by the

:01:02. > :01:13.Government and by NHS England. We need to understand much more of what

:01:14. > :01:19.is happening. We can't get away from the fact that this is a serious

:01:20. > :01:23.rise, over 30%. It's at a time when mental health is underfunded. I've

:01:24. > :01:28.made the point for years now that the way the system works, mental

:01:29. > :01:31.health also loses out. Very demanding access in physical health

:01:32. > :01:34.in which the whole system is focussed on meeting, and somethings

:01:35. > :01:38.loses out as a result of that and it's always mental health. That's

:01:39. > :01:43.why I've been on this mission to achieve equal rights to access

:01:44. > :01:49.treatment on a timely basis, so that you have an equack I believe reem.

:01:50. > :01:54.That would stop the disadvantage suffered by mental health --

:01:55. > :01:57.equilibrium. One life lost by suicide is one too many and so many

:01:58. > :02:02.families are scarred by this. We have to treat it with the utmost

:02:03. > :02:06.seriousness. In Detroit incidentally in America, they introduced

:02:07. > :02:11.something called perfect depression care and they got the whole

:02:12. > :02:14.organisation to focus absolutely on saving every life, learning lessons

:02:15. > :02:20.constantly about things that go wrong and they managed to achieve,

:02:21. > :02:24.without spending loads more money, a dramatic reduction in suicides.

:02:25. > :02:28.That's what I want every organisation in the NHS in this

:02:29. > :02:32.country to do, so change the culture, to ensure that everyone is

:02:33. > :02:35.focussed on saying lives. You were the mental Health Minister,

:02:36. > :02:41.you could have instigated that? Well, we did. You haven't, or else

:02:42. > :02:44.we wouldn't see this rise? So again, what I explained to you was the way

:02:45. > :02:48.the system works with maximum waiting time standards in physical

:02:49. > :02:54.health but not in mental health... Yes. That is the disadvantage so we

:02:55. > :02:59.introduced... I know. We reported it at the time before the general

:03:00. > :03:03.election, Clegg announced it. Yes, so we introduced that. They apply

:03:04. > :03:06.from April, they have to be met by April. It's a different point to the

:03:07. > :03:10.story that you are bringing to everybody's attention today? No,

:03:11. > :03:14.it's precisely the same point because it disadvantages mental

:03:15. > :03:18.health in the way the money gets allocated locally and, at the time

:03:19. > :03:21.we announced the first waiting time standards, we also said they must be

:03:22. > :03:27.made comprehensive and that must be the vision between now and 2020 and

:03:28. > :03:33.there's been a report, not published yet, but a report undertaken by Paul

:03:34. > :03:38.Farmer of MIND commissioned by NHS England and it was leaked... But...

:03:39. > :03:44.Let me just finish. Leaked to the Sunday Times and it Saez in order to

:03:45. > :03:48.achieve the equality that we need to ensure mental health gets the fair

:03:49. > :03:54.share of funding we need an extra ?1.2 billion between now and 2020.

:03:55. > :03:57.Are you saying then this rise has effectively got nothing to do with

:03:58. > :04:01.you when you were the mental Health Minister? What I've tried to explain

:04:02. > :04:04.is the way the system works. I know and you have tried to change it, but

:04:05. > :04:08.it now sounds like you are saying because you are in opposition now,

:04:09. > :04:12.you can bring these deaths to people's attention... No, no. And

:04:13. > :04:17.distance yourself from people dying when you were in Government? No,

:04:18. > :04:22.Victoria, I was dog it when I was in Government. I was constantly... And

:04:23. > :04:29.failing? No, because we absolutely laid the foundations. In February

:04:30. > :04:34.last year, we announced an objective for a suicide ambition to get every

:04:35. > :04:39.organisation across the country to focus on perfect depression care as

:04:40. > :04:43.we have seen in Detroit and there are some organisations in our

:04:44. > :04:48.country starting to do that. We need every organisation to do it. What I

:04:49. > :04:52.can say is, as a minister, you can agitate, you can challenge, you can

:04:53. > :04:55.demand change, you can highlight the failures and all of these things

:04:56. > :04:59.I've done consistently as a minister and since being a minister. I don't

:05:00. > :05:03.want to blame any Government. The fact is that the way the system

:05:04. > :05:06.works, there is a central discrimination against mental health

:05:07. > :05:10.and against those who suffer from mental ill health. When the maximum

:05:11. > :05:15.waiting times come in for access to therapy and so on on and so forth,

:05:16. > :05:19.are you confident Nat number of suicide, unexplained deaths and so

:05:20. > :05:23.on will fall? I absolutely believe if we can get comprehensive waiting

:05:24. > :05:26.time standards so people get quicker access to treatment and I think

:05:27. > :05:32.Janet will talk about this, then I think you can have a massive impact

:05:33. > :05:43.on saving lives and so many families are scarred by mental health. My

:05:44. > :05:46.family is. I know from my family's experience just how important this

:05:47. > :05:50.is. Thank you for being patient Janet and listening to what Norman

:05:51. > :05:55.Lamb has had to say. In terms of Alan, he was 35, the day before he

:05:56. > :05:59.took his life you contacted someone because you were worried. Yes. Tell

:06:00. > :06:04.you are audience a little bit about what happened? I made the phone call

:06:05. > :06:09.because there had been some factors going on in Alan's life that were

:06:10. > :06:12.impacting heavily on him. They were things that couldn't be helped, but

:06:13. > :06:18.we could see that they were impacting heavily. So I phoned to

:06:19. > :06:23.speak to his doctor at the mental health team. I left a message for

:06:24. > :06:26.her to call me back in the event and she didn't call me back until the

:06:27. > :06:31.day after and Alan had taken his life. That call that you made, that

:06:32. > :06:35.was you ringing an alarm bell saying, my son needs help? It was.

:06:36. > :06:41.And that wasn't the only time I'd phoned. And the one thing that came

:06:42. > :06:47.out of all of this during the incident review, we were never ever

:06:48. > :06:50.given a crisis number to call. Alan's father approached the GP

:06:51. > :06:56.because he could see it and the GP said, you need to get him to come in

:06:57. > :07:03.to see me which we didn't think would happen because of how low Alan

:07:04. > :07:10.was. We've since said, if there could have been a way of us having a

:07:11. > :07:14.crisis number... Yes. So we have said that crisis number really needs

:07:15. > :07:19.publicly advertising, so people and family members are aware of it

:07:20. > :07:24.really. But with Alan, it wasn't just down the timing, a lot of it

:07:25. > :07:27.was down to human error and that's what I found the hardest thing. The

:07:28. > :07:31.people that should have been helping Alan were the ones that actually

:07:32. > :07:36.caused a lot of the problems really. We know that things like access to a

:07:37. > :07:39.crisis line, so that at that moment of desperation you know where you

:07:40. > :07:43.can get help, things like that can make a massive difference and can

:07:44. > :07:47.get people through an immediate crisis. We introduced something

:07:48. > :07:52.called the crisis care concordat which was to set standards for care

:07:53. > :07:56.across the country. Progress is being made but we need to go so much

:07:57. > :08:01.further. I mean, Alan was given the number for the crisis line but, as a

:08:02. > :08:06.family we never were and didn't know. I didn't even know there was a

:08:07. > :08:12.crisis line because otherwise... The person that needs the help, the one

:08:13. > :08:15.with the attention needed is often the person least likely to ever ring

:08:16. > :08:20.the line. It's going to be the family members. That's it, yes. We

:08:21. > :08:24.could see the impact. The serious incident review just outlines so

:08:25. > :08:29.many short comings and human errors. Missed opportunities? Yes. In fact,

:08:30. > :08:35.we had the initial inquest on the 2nd July. That had to be adjourned

:08:36. > :08:38.because the coroner didn't even have the serious incident report. He

:08:39. > :08:42.wasn't even aware of it until I mentioned it. So I had to be

:08:43. > :08:45.adjourned and we had to go through it all again. What do we put

:08:46. > :08:50.families through with that situation? That delay is dreadfully

:08:51. > :08:54.punishing on a family already trying to cope with bereavement. The other

:08:55. > :08:58.thing we found very difficult, we couldn't, as his parents, we

:08:59. > :09:02.couldn't get a solicitor to represent us. Because we were never

:09:03. > :09:07.ever doing it for the compensation, we just wanted to try and make sure

:09:08. > :09:11.that no other family is going to be put in the situation that we were.

:09:12. > :09:15.But because all of the solicitors said the same thing, their costs

:09:16. > :09:21.would far outweigh any compensation and therefore they couldn't take it.

:09:22. > :09:24.So we had to go into that coroner's office, the whole of the mental

:09:25. > :09:28.health team were there with a solicitor and we had nobody to

:09:29. > :09:31.represent us and I think again, that's something that we found very,

:09:32. > :09:36.very difficult really because there was so much that we needed to know.

:09:37. > :09:39.Whilst we were told we could ask questions, obviously you are not

:09:40. > :09:42.particularly in the right frame of mind to do it and always, it's

:09:43. > :09:46.knowing the questions to ask sometimes. Thank you very much for

:09:47. > :09:47.coming on the programme, Janet, thank you. Norman Lamb, thank you

:09:48. > :10:32.very much for your time as well. Next, an apology of sorts from the

:10:33. > :10:38.MP who accidentally linked Britain's world marathon holder to doping.

:10:39. > :10:49.Sesse Norman spoke to Paula Radcliffe live on the programme in

:10:50. > :10:53.the last hour. Since I wasn't naming Paula, it's a terrible shame her

:10:54. > :10:57.name came out. I'm amongst millions of people in this country who has

:10:58. > :10:59.nothing but admiration for the sporting achievements linked to her

:11:00. > :11:03.name. So that's absolutely fantastic. What I do think is a pity

:11:04. > :11:08.and what I hadn't realised at the time was that Ms Radcliffe had been

:11:09. > :11:12.pursued by people in and outside the sport on this issue beforehand and,

:11:13. > :11:19.I'm afraid that's why the link may have been made but it had nothing to

:11:20. > :11:24.do with me. Personally I would have appreciated an apology. He may not

:11:25. > :11:29.have intended to name me but in fact if you ask him to win a name of a

:11:30. > :11:33.person that won the London Marathon, I wouldn't imagine he could name any

:11:34. > :11:37.of the others in that period. I'm perfectly happy to say that I'm

:11:38. > :11:42.sorry to hear about what's happened and sorry it was take none this way,

:11:43. > :11:45.but as I explained, it really had nothing to do with what I was saying

:11:46. > :11:49.or what my committee was doing and it's a terrible shame it's been

:11:50. > :11:55.taken in that way. Paula Radcliffe? I accept that. From

:11:56. > :11:59.this point, what I would like to see is everything move forward in terms

:12:00. > :12:04.of getting to the truth. The truth coming out, but also making sure

:12:05. > :12:07.that in all sports, the federations and the integrity and protection of

:12:08. > :12:11.the clean athletes across all sports moves forward in the right

:12:12. > :12:15.direction. If you ask me what a Government selection committee can

:12:16. > :12:18.do, in that aspect in terms of improvements, it's worth pushing

:12:19. > :12:23.through the legislation to increase the doping bans and the deterrents

:12:24. > :12:26.and we can possibly look towards criminalisation of the whole chain,

:12:27. > :12:30.including the entourage, the supply of the doping materials and the

:12:31. > :12:33.Agent let'ses and coaches who take that decision to take that short cut

:12:34. > :12:36.and to cheat. It comes as the bosses of UK

:12:37. > :12:39.Athletics and UK Anti-Doping face questions from MPs on Jesse Norman's

:12:40. > :12:41.committee today about how much they know about allegations

:12:42. > :12:51.of doping in athletics. Ed Warner has just begun giving his

:12:52. > :12:56.evidence. Let's watch a bit live now. How can you be sure the IAAF is

:12:57. > :13:01.going to react. In your previous comments, you talked about being a

:13:02. > :13:03.cattle prod to the IAAF which implies goosing you up a bit and

:13:04. > :13:09.that they have been rather inactive. Is that true? They have been rather

:13:10. > :13:12.inactive, absolutely. They have been very active doing the things they

:13:13. > :13:15.have to do on clean-up but they haven't, I don't think, got

:13:16. > :13:20.sufficient resources to invest in creating the new future. I'll give

:13:21. > :13:24.you a very good example. The General Secretary of the IAAF left in

:13:25. > :13:28.October. They only last week appointed an interim Chief

:13:29. > :13:31.Executive, same role different title, to replace him, and we are

:13:32. > :13:34.told that there'll be a new permanent Chief Executive in place

:13:35. > :13:38.by the middle of this year. So that will be a year into the new

:13:39. > :13:42.presidency and nine or ten months since the previous General Secretary

:13:43. > :13:48.left. To my mind, there's not enough speed in that process because you

:13:49. > :13:51.need that organisation run by the full-time set of executives probably

:13:52. > :13:56.from outside the sport and therefore untainted by anything that's gone

:13:57. > :14:00.before who can drive it forward as their full-time day jobs. At the

:14:01. > :14:05.moment, there's something of a vacuum in there and it needs to be

:14:06. > :14:10.filled. So you use the phrase cattle prod, it's not a bad phrase, I think

:14:11. > :14:13.it needs some more impetus. So just to be clear, you don't think

:14:14. > :14:20.anybody's got a full-time focus at the top of the IAAF? Not at the top.

:14:21. > :14:23.I mean Lord Coe is a part-time president. There is only now an

:14:24. > :14:28.interim Chief Executive put in place so I guess within the last week

:14:29. > :14:31.there's someone who's get a full-time focus but that's only

:14:32. > :14:35.temporary. It needs a great executive. We have seen the Deputy

:14:36. > :14:39.General Secretary had the stand aside just in the last few weeks.

:14:40. > :14:44.This isn't good news. Do you think Lord Coe needs to be a

:14:45. > :14:48.bit more hands on in this crucial transition period? I think he's very

:14:49. > :14:52.hands on at the moment. I would certainly not accuse him of failing

:14:53. > :14:59.to get his hands on it. You have said he's not full-time? He is the

:15:00. > :15:05.President which is a part-time role. He only has two hands. He needs to

:15:06. > :15:10.get more good bodies around him. He's got some, he's rented in some

:15:11. > :15:15.good temporary expertise, in Paul Dayton and others from the local

:15:16. > :15:19.team, but I just think there's more capacity work to be done there that

:15:20. > :15:23.needs to be filled. You said there, I think it's a quotation of the

:15:24. > :15:31.lawyers, that "they think they are run ago show at the moment". Ed

:15:32. > :15:35.Warner, the head of UK athletics. The chairman also there. We'll keep

:15:36. > :15:36.monitoring that and bring you any good bits, if I can put it like

:15:37. > :15:37.that. We can talk now to the reigning

:15:38. > :15:40.European 10,000 metre champion Jo Pavey who has been beaten

:15:41. > :15:43.by athletes who have subsequently been banned for cheating -

:15:44. > :15:46.she's published her blood data to prove she's clean -

:15:47. > :15:48.and to Professor Barrie Houlihan, Professor of Sport at

:15:49. > :15:50.Loughborough University, who can explain how

:15:51. > :16:03.blood doping works. Jo Pavey, I confess I did not

:16:04. > :16:09.realise that Lord Coe was a part-time president of the IAAF, is

:16:10. > :16:13.that enough of his time spent on reforming the organisation is

:16:14. > :16:18.cleaning up athletics? As athletes we have all lost a bit of confidence

:16:19. > :16:22.in the way that IAAF can look after the confidence of clean athletes. As

:16:23. > :16:26.an athlete, you want to trust your governing body to look after the

:16:27. > :16:34.interests of athletes training hard, day in and day out. When you hear

:16:35. > :16:37.about the cover-ups going up in your actual governing body, it is

:16:38. > :16:43.devastating. There is so much work for Lord Coe. There need to be

:16:44. > :16:47.sweeping changes. There is so much to do, it is a matter of urgency.

:16:48. > :16:55.Hopefully he can bring about those changes. Foodie you know trust in

:16:56. > :17:01.your sport? I think it is a dark day for the sport. -- who do you now

:17:02. > :17:06.trust? I feel I have lost a lot of trust. As an athlete, competing on

:17:07. > :17:09.track, you have suspicions that sometimes you are competing against

:17:10. > :17:14.athletes who have doped, but you hope your governing body will be

:17:15. > :17:18.acting on your behalf. Hopefully we can move the sport forward, it need

:17:19. > :17:24.sweeping changes, we need to know what certain cancel members of the

:17:25. > :17:29.IAAF were aware of these allegations of corruption going on, we need new

:17:30. > :17:34.people to be brought in, as Ed Warner has said. We have lost a lot

:17:35. > :17:38.of trust. It feels at the moment that it will take a lot for athletes

:17:39. > :17:43.to build that trust, the public watching the sport and youngsters

:17:44. > :17:46.coming in. But I am so passionate about the sport, I love the sport

:17:47. > :17:52.and I hope we can come through these dark days and out the other side,

:17:53. > :17:57.but it is devastating at the moment. Wilber Rio Olympics this year be

:17:58. > :18:01.cleaner than London 2012? It is an ongoing process. Hopefully it will

:18:02. > :18:06.be cleaner. It is hard to put a timescale on how long it will take

:18:07. > :18:11.to bring the sweeping changes. You need to have a completely

:18:12. > :18:14.independent anti-doping agency. For all sports, we have lost trust in

:18:15. > :18:19.governing bodies being able to police their own anti-doping issues,

:18:20. > :18:24.and we need a completely independent body where no athletes have anywhere

:18:25. > :18:31.to hide and it is totally separate from people who can possibly gain

:18:32. > :18:37.money out of athletes doping. Those are the steps that we need to take.

:18:38. > :18:41.It will not happen overnight. Professor, do you think any athletes

:18:42. > :18:46.are stupid enough right now to be doping? I am sure there are plenty

:18:47. > :18:52.of athletes looking at ways to improve their performance. A legal

:18:53. > :19:01.ways? You think that is still going on? Illegal ways? I am sure. Wow!

:19:02. > :19:09.Even though we know what we know now?! I think there always athletes

:19:10. > :19:12.who will take the risk, there will always be governments who encourage

:19:13. > :19:17.athletes to take that risk. I think we should not be complacent or feel

:19:18. > :19:21.that the crisis has frightened people away. I think doping still

:19:22. > :19:27.remains a very serious problem in a whole range of sports. Does that

:19:28. > :19:37.lead you to think that life bands are the only deterrent? A life ban

:19:38. > :19:45.for a first offence is a difficult sanction to impose. Why? Why? Come

:19:46. > :19:52.on. I am surprised by your answer, I said why about six times! In normal

:19:53. > :19:57.course practice, you give someone a second chance. I know that might be

:19:58. > :20:02.really difficult in sport, but sometimes athletes can be coerced,

:20:03. > :20:07.make mistakes, be foolish. I think the penalty for a first offence

:20:08. > :20:14.should be higher. At the moment it is four years for a first offence,

:20:15. > :20:19.-- serious offence, I think it could be higher. But a lifetime ban, I am

:20:20. > :20:22.doubtful. I would always give someone a chance to reform

:20:23. > :20:27.themselves, but if they commit a second offence I could say that a

:20:28. > :20:32.life ban would be essential. Justin Gatlin had a second chance, it

:20:33. > :20:36.didn't really work out. Actually, it did for him! I think there will

:20:37. > :20:43.always be athletes who feel they can be the system, one of your previous

:20:44. > :20:46.interviewees commented that the anti-doping system needs to be much

:20:47. > :20:53.more rebuffed and better funded. It is funded on a shoestring. It is an

:20:54. > :20:58.afterthought after all the other investment is made in sport, it is

:20:59. > :21:01.grossly underfunded both globally and nationally. If we are serious

:21:02. > :21:06.about cleaning up sport, we need to put a lot more money into

:21:07. > :21:11.anti-doping efforts. Thank you very much, Professor Barry Houlihan, and

:21:12. > :21:16.Jo Pavey. Thanks for joining us. Still to come

:21:17. > :21:20.before 11am, will shed control rooms for police, fire and ambulance

:21:21. > :21:25.improve the response to 999 calls? We will hear the arguments for and

:21:26. > :21:28.against. Pregnant women are being urged not

:21:29. > :21:32.to visit areas of South America affected by the Zika virus, or being

:21:33. > :21:39.urged to reconsider their travel bans. That chakra travel plans. --

:21:40. > :21:44.their travel plans. A report on the death of a baby boy

:21:45. > :21:48.from sepsis has said the 111 NHS helpline in England isn't sensitive

:21:49. > :21:51.enough to identify the illness in children whose

:21:52. > :21:52.condition is worsening. William Mead died in December 2014,

:21:53. > :22:05.after seeing doctors repeatedly over There were errors during the whole

:22:06. > :22:10.call, we weren't really listened to. The call handler didn't recognise it

:22:11. > :22:12.as a complex call. There was quite a catalogue of errors.

:22:13. > :22:14.The chair of the Culture Select Committee has partially apologised

:22:15. > :22:19.on this programme to the British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe

:22:20. > :22:22.The women's world record holder felt she had been indirectly named

:22:23. > :22:24.by Jessie Norman during a committee meeting last year, in relation

:22:25. > :22:26.to doping allegation in the Sunday Times.

:22:27. > :22:29.The boss of UK Anti-Doping and the head of UK Athletics

:22:30. > :22:36.will give evidence to the committee later.

:22:37. > :22:42.-- are giving evidence this morning. I'm perfectly happy to say that I'm

:22:43. > :22:46.sorry to hear what happened and I'm sorry it was taken this way, but it

:22:47. > :22:50.really has had nothing to do with what I was saying more my committee

:22:51. > :22:55.was doing. I think it is a terrible shame it has been taken that way.

:22:56. > :23:00.I accept that, and I think from this point what I would like to see is it

:23:01. > :23:03.being moved forward in terms of getting to the truth, the truth

:23:04. > :23:10.coming out, but also making sure that in all sports federations have

:23:11. > :23:12.the integrity and it is moving forward on the right direction.

:23:13. > :23:14.Stock markets in China have fallen sharply again,

:23:15. > :23:18.The main index in Shanghai was down more than six per cent.

:23:19. > :23:21.It follows heavy falls last week on Asia's main markets which sparked

:23:22. > :23:33.John has the sport. It has been a disappointing entering them as my

:23:34. > :23:37.protest Syriza with South Africa after they lost the fourth and final

:23:38. > :23:42.match in Centurion, losing seven wickets in just over a now as South

:23:43. > :23:47.Africa secured a 281 win, some consolation to them as England win

:23:48. > :23:50.2-1. Novak Djokovic beat Kei Nishikori in

:23:51. > :23:55.straight sets in the Australian Open. It is tricky the end but no

:23:56. > :24:00.repeats of the errors which marred Djokovic 's five set match against

:24:01. > :24:03.Giles Simon in the previous match. Serena Williams beat Maria Sharapova

:24:04. > :24:08.for the 18th time in a row to reach the last four, she is on course for

:24:09. > :24:11.a record equalling 22nd Grand Slam title.

:24:12. > :24:13.BBC sport is told that Man United manager Louis van Gaal did not offer

:24:14. > :24:18.to resign at the weekend, despite reports that he told the club's

:24:19. > :24:24.vice-chairman that he would go following Saturday 's 1-0 defeat by

:24:25. > :24:30.Southampton. Saracens wing Chris Ashton will

:24:31. > :24:33.appeal against his ban for eye gouging, a ban which would keep them

:24:34. > :24:36.out of the entire England six Nations campaign.

:24:37. > :24:40.More on the breaking news about Tesco, they seriously breached an

:24:41. > :24:46.industry code by intentionally delaying payment to suppliers. This

:24:47. > :24:51.is according to a report out today. Our business correspondent Ben joins

:24:52. > :24:57.us. Ben Thompson. The reporters by whom, and the

:24:58. > :25:01.topline is what? By The Groceries Code Adjudicator, a pretty damning

:25:02. > :25:06.report. It came to light when there was the big black Hull last year

:25:07. > :25:09.discovered in Tesco 's finances, prompting questions about how Tesco

:25:10. > :25:14.does its accounts? The damning report says Tesco are advised its

:25:15. > :25:19.own finances over treating suppliers fairly. In a normal relationship

:25:20. > :25:22.suppliers with provide goods to Tesco, they would sell them and pay

:25:23. > :25:27.them in return. Tesco was delaying how much and when it would pay

:25:28. > :25:31.suppliers, the reason being a tad told investors on the market that

:25:32. > :25:36.the figure for profit would this amount, it was not looking so rosy,

:25:37. > :25:41.so by holding onto the money it meant the profits looks better for

:25:42. > :25:46.the City, investors on the stock market. That is unfair because

:25:47. > :25:50.suppliers went without payment, they could not pay their staff and expand

:25:51. > :25:54.the business, it caused cash flow problems. In one case, someone was

:25:55. > :25:59.out of pocket to Tesco for two years before they were paid the amount due

:26:00. > :26:05.to them. It is a damning report which breaches all legal guidelines

:26:06. > :26:06.and a code of conduct aimed specifically at protecting the

:26:07. > :26:14.grocery suppliers from the big supermarket, which do wield so much

:26:15. > :26:19.power. Two years is outrageous for a company much smaller than Tesco to

:26:20. > :26:24.wait that long for money. What is the report recommended terms of

:26:25. > :26:27.sanctions for Tesco? At is the problem, the investigation was

:26:28. > :26:30.launched after new powers were given to the adjudicator, the people who

:26:31. > :26:33.did this report, so they are not allowed to find them or give them

:26:34. > :26:39.tough penalty. What they have said is that Tesco needs to improve its

:26:40. > :26:44.systems and what it actually does in terms of dealing with suppliers.

:26:45. > :26:49.Dave Lewis, chief executive of Tesco, said, we are really sorry.

:26:50. > :26:52.This is not a business that I recognise, we have tried to change

:26:53. > :26:57.things, it is about improving the racial chip with suppliers. Clearly

:26:58. > :27:02.this would have a damaging consequences for the business if it

:27:03. > :27:06.went on. Other issues came to light, they decided unilaterally to make

:27:07. > :27:10.discounts. We have told you you owe as this much, but we will pay you

:27:11. > :27:15.less because we have the power to do that, the power of Tesco. This is

:27:16. > :27:18.all laid out in a code of conduct for the retailers when it comes to

:27:19. > :27:25.dealing with suppliers. Tesco did not do that. No fines or sanctions,

:27:26. > :27:28.Tesco are keen to say they are improving relationships with their

:27:29. > :27:31.suppliers, but there is a fractious relationship between the power of

:27:32. > :27:38.the big supermarkets and how they deal with their smaller suppliers.

:27:39. > :27:43.So they just say sorry and that is it? In theory. They have said they

:27:44. > :27:48.will improve training. Training, come on! You don't make someone wait

:27:49. > :27:51.for two years to pay them! We have talked about the fractious

:27:52. > :27:56.relationship between eight and small retailers. They are at the mercy of

:27:57. > :28:00.these big retailers, the big five in the UK. This code of conduct was

:28:01. > :28:06.introduced for exactly that reason, to try to protect them when it came

:28:07. > :28:10.up against the power of the big retailers, but it is very difficult.

:28:11. > :28:15.They will expect to be paid quite later the supply and, they don't

:28:16. > :28:19.expect the money on the day the sale was made, but two years is a

:28:20. > :28:23.staggering weight. I know journalists are not trusted by

:28:24. > :28:26.anyone, but as a last resort that company could have gone to

:28:27. > :28:30.journalists and we would have done the story. It is so rife across the

:28:31. > :28:33.industry, that is the problem. The Home Office is calling

:28:34. > :28:36.for police, fire and ambulance services to share control rooms

:28:37. > :28:38.to improve their response Proposals requiring the emergency

:28:39. > :28:41.services to work together will be It's expected they'll also include

:28:42. > :28:45.plans to give police and crime commissioners in England overall

:28:46. > :28:46.responsibility for their It could mean fire chiefs with no

:28:47. > :28:51.experience of fighting crime will be given the opportunity

:28:52. > :28:53.to run police forces. It's been called a dangerous move

:28:54. > :28:56.by the Fire Brigades Union. The Home Office minister

:28:57. > :28:58.Mike Penning says it would be better if one operator handled

:28:59. > :29:03.all the calls from one control room. We consulted, and it is not just

:29:04. > :29:06.to do with the Fire Service, as to how we can bring the emergency

:29:07. > :29:11.services to better collaboration. What we are going to go ahead

:29:12. > :29:14.with is actually asking the back room systems within the emergency

:29:15. > :29:18.service, the fire, police and ambulance, to work

:29:19. > :29:19.closer together. Some parts of the country,

:29:20. > :29:21.they're already doing that, and in other parts of the country

:29:22. > :29:24.they are lagging behind. We cannot afford that are lagging

:29:25. > :29:27.behind because that will cost lives. We're going to push ahead,

:29:28. > :29:29.we will have more responsibility for the PCCs, and have the emergency

:29:30. > :29:43.services that I served in worked Let's talk about this with Matthew

:29:44. > :29:45.Ellis, the police and crime commission of the Staffordshire,

:29:46. > :29:49.John the grief from the Fire Brigades Union and we have the

:29:50. > :29:54.vice-chair of the Police Federation for England and Wales -- John Magee.

:29:55. > :30:00.Matthew Ellis, why is this a good idea? The similarities between the

:30:01. > :30:03.two services are distinct, the DNA of both the fire and police services

:30:04. > :30:10.is about protect people, preventing harm. You look at this in a

:30:11. > :30:14.common-sense way, you can move more money to front line services by

:30:15. > :30:17.Sherry same functions currently in different places, and from an

:30:18. > :30:19.operational point of view it makes enormous sense to work much closer

:30:20. > :30:33.together. What are the issues, John? Well, there are huge distinctions

:30:34. > :30:39.between police and fire. I mean, fire has a brand that people in the

:30:40. > :30:44.Fire Service are actually invited into people's homes, where we can

:30:45. > :30:47.give fire safety advice. We have a completely different relationship,

:30:48. > :30:51.we've built up years of trust. I don't know how that would change by

:30:52. > :30:54.having one control operator. The question is not about the control.

:30:55. > :30:58.First off... So you are all right with that? Whether we share a

:30:59. > :31:01.building is irrelevant, it's happening already across the

:31:02. > :31:06.country, there are several different models. And good practice? Of

:31:07. > :31:11.course. But fire control operators don't just take a call and despatch

:31:12. > :31:16.a fire engine, they gave safety advice that's tailored for the Fire

:31:17. > :31:20.and Rescue Service, likewise for the police operators, they give

:31:21. > :31:24.different advise to the callers. Sure but the operator could be

:31:25. > :31:27.trained to to both? Look, at the moment, the Fire Service has

:31:28. > :31:32.embarked on trials for working with the ambulance services across the

:31:33. > :31:37.whole of the UK. We have got about 20 trials running at the moment

:31:38. > :31:41.where Fire Services are responding to calls that would otherwise have

:31:42. > :31:46.been taken by the ambulance service. That's not a lack of response or

:31:47. > :31:49.control operators in the ambulance control room, it's a lack of

:31:50. > :31:53.ambulances. There are not enough resources. Do you accept that? ...

:31:54. > :31:57.This whole question that we need to put everybody in the same control

:31:58. > :32:02.room doesn't deal with the fact that we've lost 7,000 firefighters in the

:32:03. > :32:07.last five years. Tell me why one operator in one control room if one

:32:08. > :32:11.building means a fire engine/ambulance will get to where

:32:12. > :32:14.it needs to go any quicker? I'm not looking at ambulances. Ambulances is

:32:15. > :32:21.probably too difficult at the moment. OK, fine. Let's not get

:32:22. > :32:25.caught up in control rooms. But tell me why it would mean a fire engine

:32:26. > :32:28.would get there quicker? Well if they are in the same place,

:32:29. > :32:34.communication can be better. Police and fire turn up to 47% of incident

:32:35. > :32:36.where is only one is needed. It's about bringing the organisations

:32:37. > :32:40.together as far as cooperation is concerned but not losing in any way,

:32:41. > :32:50.shape or form, the identity of fire and the identity of police. In these

:32:51. > :32:52.times of modern technology, you say it's better to gets everyone

:32:53. > :32:58.together. Striving for efficiency is a good thing because we want to

:32:59. > :33:02.protect the public service. Talking about you point, don't include

:33:03. > :33:05.ambulances then if it's ridiculous. Why is it not ridiculous to

:33:06. > :33:10.correlate the police and Fire Service together? I don't think I

:33:11. > :33:13.said it was completely ridiculous. I come from a background where we do

:33:14. > :33:16.things cautiously so let's try it with police and fire, let's act

:33:17. > :33:20.which willy not do it in a way which is going to upset things. The

:33:21. > :33:25.simplicity of this, to be honest a child could look at the similarities

:33:26. > :33:29.of having two finance departments and two legal departments and two

:33:30. > :33:34.comms departments and say, bring them into one and put more money to

:33:35. > :33:38.support frontline firefighters and more money to support frontline

:33:39. > :33:45.police officers. This isn't about a paper exercise and saving money,

:33:46. > :33:49.it's about saving people. It's about people dialling 999 and the person

:33:50. > :33:55.answering the call knowing what is required. John, from the Fire

:33:56. > :34:02.Brigades' Union? A number of issues there. The introduction of Police

:34:03. > :34:06.and Crime Commissioners, in terms of efficiency they didn't provide the

:34:07. > :34:12.efficiency that they have set out to do, so, you know, like my colleague

:34:13. > :34:15.here from the Police Federation, we want to find efficiencies, we are

:34:16. > :34:19.work in collaboration with the police and the ambulance service and

:34:20. > :34:23.we are constantly looking at ways of improving that. While we have got

:34:24. > :34:28.time, I want to ask about the other issue which is somebody like

:34:29. > :34:30.yourself, Police and Crime Commissioner for Staffordshire

:34:31. > :34:34.taking on responsibility for the Fire Service in your area. Yes or

:34:35. > :34:43.no? Thumbs up to that or thumbs down? Yes, I think the it's a

:34:44. > :34:49.reasonable idea, put more money. Would you expect an increase in

:34:50. > :34:53.salary No. This is about putting more money towards frontline

:34:54. > :34:58.services. What is your experience of that... About the same as it was

:34:59. > :35:05.with frontline services which is nothing and in Staffordshire we are

:35:06. > :35:10.not cutting, we have got rid of the waste, we can do the same but

:35:11. > :35:16.together. You say there is a good record when it comes to police? This

:35:17. > :35:21.is not about a bad example in one area and a good in another. It's

:35:22. > :35:24.about evidence and looking at what he is doing. Collaborations are

:35:25. > :35:28.happening already. People are working together and that can be

:35:29. > :35:32.developed and we want to increase efficiency and deliver a better

:35:33. > :35:37.service for the public. This doesn't necessarily bring a better service

:35:38. > :35:40.to the public. The Police and Crime Commissioners, the accountability to

:35:41. > :35:46.local authorities it's taken away, you know, I think Matthew was

:35:47. > :35:49.elected by 11% turnout, you know, in his own area, that doesn't reflect

:35:50. > :35:54.what the public are looking for. The public want to know that when they

:35:55. > :35:56.get on a phone and need either an ambulance, they get an ambulance, if

:35:57. > :36:00.they need a police officer, they want a police officer. I don't

:36:01. > :36:04.understand why they won't? We are getting lost in the argument here

:36:05. > :36:09.about providing proper Public Services. This is about cuts. That's

:36:10. > :36:14.what these proposals are about. Matthew said he's protected

:36:15. > :36:17.frontline services because he's put officers who're not physically

:36:18. > :36:21.capable of being out there, they are taken out from jobs, being put back

:36:22. > :36:26.in the back room and back on to the beat. That's the same thing with

:36:27. > :36:32.Fire Service... Do you know what? Sorry... Firefighters have been

:36:33. > :36:38.told, you will still climb ladders at 60. This entrenchment is bizarre.

:36:39. > :36:43.We need public services to work together. It can happen in an

:36:44. > :36:48.integrated way. We can save money from the back end and put it through

:36:49. > :36:54.to the frontline. I can't believe... Nobody's disagreeing. This is about

:36:55. > :36:57.the Government, the governance of police and fire. The police

:36:58. > :37:01.commissioners can call for the Fire Service, that is going to be the

:37:02. > :37:05.situation. This is not going to be about improving. I exist agree

:37:06. > :37:09.fundamentally that we are entrenched because we adapt all the timep this

:37:10. > :37:10.is about emergency services and people's lives, the bottom line.

:37:11. > :37:28.Thank you all very much. Egg The World Health Organisation

:37:29. > :37:35.says there's suspected brain damage being caused to babies in Brazil.

:37:36. > :37:39.The Zika virus is carried by mosquitoes and there is currently no

:37:40. > :37:42.vaccine or treatment available. So what causes the devastating virus?

:37:43. > :37:50.Who is most at risk and how does it spread? This is the mosquito. It's

:37:51. > :37:56.obviously not, that is a man. Anyway, I was going to show you the

:37:57. > :37:59.mosquito. There it is. This is it infected with the virus and it can

:38:00. > :38:06.pass it to humans with a single bite. It's the same mosquito which

:38:07. > :38:10.also spread Dengue fever. The Zika virus was identified way back in

:38:11. > :38:15.1947 in Uganda. But until a few months ago, it was not thought to be

:38:16. > :38:19.a public health threat. 80% of those infected have no symptoms. In the

:38:20. > :38:25.rest, it can cause a mild fever and headaches and a skin rash is common,

:38:26. > :38:30.as is conjunctivitis, read and sore eyes. So what has changed? In less

:38:31. > :38:36.than a year it's spread from Mexico, the Caribbean to South America and

:38:37. > :38:42.now 21 countries, these red countries, most notably Brazil. The

:38:43. > :38:48.red dot doctors believe represents a major threat to women affected in

:38:49. > :38:56.the early stages of pregnancy. They think it will cause damaged brains

:38:57. > :39:00.in babies, a condition known as microcephaly and they are

:39:01. > :39:09.investigating 3,500 cases. More Tests are urgently being carried out

:39:10. > :39:16.as it's not proven. It's that same man again! I am so sorry, he keeps

:39:17. > :39:20.popping up. It's too cold in the UK for the mosquito so it's not a

:39:21. > :39:23.public health threat here but global officials think in time it will

:39:24. > :39:32.spread to more countries, including the United States. The Brazilian BBC

:39:33. > :39:39.service joins us now. The advice from the WHO is what? For people to

:39:40. > :39:45.take precautions because there is no cure for the virus but you have to

:39:46. > :39:48.protect yourselves from the virus. People intending to get pregnant and

:39:49. > :39:52.travelling to those areas should be careful. That is all they can do.

:39:53. > :40:02.The virus is a challenge even for the big minds of the WHO.

:40:03. > :40:09.Yes. In terms of protecting yourself, you're in Brazil, what is

:40:10. > :40:18.happening? The Zika virus has been with us 30 years and has been

:40:19. > :40:23.eradicated twice but it comes back. It can lay eggs in a drop of water.

:40:24. > :40:27.It's the most powerful insecticide, has to be flying to be taken down.

:40:28. > :40:31.It's powerful. What we have been taught to do since I was a teenager

:40:32. > :40:35.is put a lot of repellant in and that's what the Government is doing

:40:36. > :40:41.now, giving it for thousands of women in the social welfare

:40:42. > :40:47.programmes. That's stuff that can protect you from the bite but

:40:48. > :40:53.there's no perfect thing to do. There's epidemics and outbreaks and

:40:54. > :40:58.challenges, Dengue has been there endemic for 30 years but it doesn't

:40:59. > :41:03.have any link to birth defects. This is something that even the experts

:41:04. > :41:08.in CDC et cetera are taken by surprise. Thank you very much.

:41:09. > :41:10.The organisers of the National Lottery, who are looking

:41:11. > :41:14.for the winner of a ?33 million jackpot, say they've received claims

:41:15. > :41:16.from hundreds of people who say they bought the lucky ticket -

:41:17. > :41:23.Jon Kay is at a newsagent in Worcester where the ownerthink

:41:24. > :41:30.the genuine ticket may have been sold.

:41:31. > :41:38.This is the Ambleside newsagents in the Warnden area of Worcester and

:41:39. > :41:42.they think this is maybe the place that sold the lucky ticket but it

:41:43. > :41:45.hasn't been verified yet. It's one of, as you say, we understand

:41:46. > :41:51.hundreds of people who've come forward over the last few days

:41:52. > :41:54.thinking maybe it was them. Camelot aren't saying where it was bought,

:41:55. > :41:58.only that it was sold somewhere in Worcester because the identity of

:41:59. > :42:02.the location of the sale is part of whole verification process. That

:42:03. > :42:07.verification process is going on at Lottery HQ at the moment. Here is

:42:08. > :42:14.the front-page of the Worcester News today: Hundreds of claims for that

:42:15. > :42:17.?33m Lotto pot, one of the biggest lottery jackpot prizes that's ever

:42:18. > :42:22.existed. They say here that a lady came in on

:42:23. > :42:26.Friday with what looked like a soggy, damaged ticket with

:42:27. > :42:30.apparently the right numbers. She said it had gone through the washing

:42:31. > :42:34.machine. Other people have said they have lost their ticket, maybe that

:42:35. > :42:40.they've had it stolen, something like that. Mr Patel, newsagent, good

:42:41. > :42:43.morning to you. Hello, Sir. Since you went public as maybe having sold

:42:44. > :42:48.the ticket, it's gone crazy here, you have had other people coming in

:42:49. > :42:53.too? We have, yes, some people saying they bought the ticket but

:42:54. > :42:58.lost it, misplaced it or whatever, so there are quite a few. Camelot

:42:59. > :43:02.are inundated at the moment with people saying that they've lost

:43:03. > :43:06.them, so Camelot have to investigate shim. What do you make of these

:43:07. > :43:10.people who've been coming in, do you believe any of them? If that is the

:43:11. > :43:14.truth, where were they until now. It sounds like you are doubting them?

:43:15. > :43:20.Well, doubting them in the sense as if to say if someone was doubtful in

:43:21. > :43:23.their own selves, if they had the ticket and the numbers, they ought

:43:24. > :43:27.to have come through first. You are selling a lot of tickets as a result

:43:28. > :43:31.aren't you, everybody seems to be playing the lottery this morning? We

:43:32. > :43:34.hope and we believe we are a lucky shop so a lot more people think

:43:35. > :43:38.they'll have the luck. You are the greatest winner in all of this, even

:43:39. > :43:43.if none of your customers are! We wish a win for everyone. OK, sadly

:43:44. > :43:46.not everybody can win, but maybe it could be somebody. See you maybe

:43:47. > :43:50.again. Thanks a lot, bye. Could be you, Jon or me, could be

:43:51. > :43:52.you. We had tickets! Thank you for your company today. Joanna is here

:43:53. > :44:03.tomorrow. Have a good day. Eight famous pensioners are looking

:44:04. > :44:07.to retire to an exotic land... I had never thought

:44:08. > :44:12.about India, but maybe!