03/02/2016

:00:10. > :00:11.Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

:00:12. > :00:16.David Cameron tries to persuade his own MPs to back a deal he hopes

:00:17. > :00:22.will keep Britain in the European Union.

:00:23. > :00:25.One senior minister has described it as a mess.

:00:26. > :00:27.The Prime Minister says it will deliver "substantial change",

:00:28. > :00:31.I think strong, determined, patient negotiation has achieved

:00:32. > :00:38.But is it a good enough outcome for voters.

:00:39. > :00:41.We'll ask our studio audience here if they think David Cameron has

:00:42. > :00:45.got a good deal - and we want you to take part in our discussion

:00:46. > :00:53.The US records its first case of the Zika virus in someone

:00:54. > :00:58.But what's it like to live with the condition

:00:59. > :01:06.We talk to one mum whose son was born with microcephaly.

:01:07. > :01:10.Plus, why one leading gay rights campaigner now supports

:01:11. > :01:14.the Northern Irish bakers who refused to make a cake

:01:15. > :01:29.Welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC

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:01:43. > :01:48.We're joined this morning by our political guru Norman Smith

:01:49. > :01:51.and a studio audience to discuss if the prime minister David Cameron

:01:52. > :01:54.has got a good enough deal over re-negotiating the Uk's membership

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:02:11. > :02:14.In Parliament later today, the Prime Minister will try

:02:15. > :02:16.to persuade MPs to back the draft settlement unveiled yesterday

:02:17. > :02:20.on Britain's relationship with the European Union.

:02:21. > :02:23.A senior minister has described the proposals as "a mess",

:02:24. > :02:28.but David Cameron says they deliver the changes he promised.

:02:29. > :02:36.By the end of next year we'll be asked to vote on whether or not

:02:37. > :02:43.the UK should stay or leave the EU - probably in the summer.

:02:44. > :02:45.Mr Cameron says the reforms were enough for him

:02:46. > :02:49.But many in the Conservative party - and elsewhere - disagree.

:02:50. > :02:52.It all boils down to whether there's been progress in four key areas.

:02:53. > :02:56.whether parliament will have the power to block EU laws

:02:57. > :02:57.Second, accepting that the pound sits alongside

:02:58. > :03:00.Third - a commitment to boost Europe's

:03:01. > :03:02.competitiveness by cutting back on bureaucracy and regulations.

:03:03. > :03:04.And finally - restricting benefits for European migrants.

:03:05. > :03:08.Lots of reaction coming out of Europe this morning.

:03:09. > :03:11.Within the last half hour we've heard from the Netherlands.

:03:12. > :03:14.They currently hold the rotating presidency of the European council -

:03:15. > :03:18.they say a proposal to help Britain to remain in the EU is likely to be

:03:19. > :03:22.And Commission President Jean Claude-Juncker has told

:03:23. > :03:24.the European Parliament that the proposal on reforming

:03:25. > :03:28.Britain's relationship with the EU must be supported.

:03:29. > :03:30.There's a debate going on right now we'll bring

:03:31. > :03:41.We're joined by our studio audience - and our political guru

:03:42. > :03:54.What are the key elements of this deal? Immigration was the big win

:03:55. > :03:57.which David Cameron wanted and he thinks he has kind of got it with

:03:58. > :04:03.the idea of the emergency brake. Like many of the reforms he has got,

:04:04. > :04:08.it is a half win, half loss, he has an agreement, to have this four-year

:04:09. > :04:12.ban on EU migrants, claiming in work benefits, but we do not know when

:04:13. > :04:18.this will come into force and we do not know who will decide it and how

:04:19. > :04:22.long it will last, and it seems that migrants will gradually be able to

:04:23. > :04:27.claim benefits, they will be phased in. It is a messy victory the David

:04:28. > :04:31.Cameron. The other thing he wanted was the idea the red card to stop

:04:32. > :04:34.the EU bossing around national parliaments with the legislation

:04:35. > :04:39.they did not want. He has a kind of red card. When you look at the

:04:40. > :04:45.detail, you can only use it in very limited circumstances, it is not for

:04:46. > :04:50.all new laws, just a small number, and you have to get 16 of the 28

:04:51. > :04:58.parliaments to agree, that is a hugely high threshold. David Cameron

:04:59. > :05:01.has got some games, regarding immigration and the red card, but he

:05:02. > :05:13.is a long way off getting what he wanted in its entirety -- gains.

:05:14. > :05:16.What about the economy? He wanted to protect countries like Britain being

:05:17. > :05:19.pushed around by countries in the single currency, and he has an

:05:20. > :05:22.agreement that if we are unhappy we can say to everyone

:05:23. > :05:26.agreement that if we are unhappy we not acceptable, we don't like this,

:05:27. > :05:30.so we can talk about it. He can't actually say we are not putting up

:05:31. > :05:34.with it, but he can initiate, sage and at the European Council and is

:05:35. > :05:40.the -- you can initiate a conversation at the European

:05:41. > :05:42.Council, and so he can raise his concerns, but he cannot stop the

:05:43. > :05:48.single currency from doing things to us which we don't want.

:05:49. > :05:54.Competitiveness? This was the shortest section in the legalistic

:05:55. > :05:57.document, and there were many fine words about stripping back

:05:58. > :06:03.regulation and getting rid of bureaucracy, but who is going to

:06:04. > :06:06.disagree? On that, David Cameron has got an acknowledgement that Europe

:06:07. > :06:12.must do better in terms of trying to be more competitive and reaching out

:06:13. > :06:17.and being more economically liberal but has anything changed? Not

:06:18. > :06:26.really, it is just fine words. And sovereignty? He wanted an end to the

:06:27. > :06:27.move towards ever closer union. What the paper says, ever closer union,

:06:28. > :06:34.one of the principles of the EU, the paper says, ever closer union,

:06:35. > :06:37.integration, we will not become the paper says, ever closer union,

:06:38. > :06:39.United States of Europe. In time they will spell that out in a future

:06:40. > :06:43.treaty, they have said, and so they will spell that out in a future

:06:44. > :06:47.Cameron has an assurance, nothing to panic

:06:48. > :06:52.Cameron has an assurance, nothing to a legal document to

:06:53. > :06:54.Cameron has an assurance, nothing to Britain, you are out of it, we

:06:55. > :06:56.Cameron has an assurance, nothing to have to wait and see and hopefully

:06:57. > :07:02.we will get a treaty in time, but quite when, we don't know. OK, those

:07:03. > :07:06.are the bones of the deal. We have a studio audience. As this led any of

:07:07. > :07:12.you to change your perspective on the way you would vote in a

:07:13. > :07:17.referendum? -- has. Absolutely not. LAUGHTER

:07:18. > :07:21.David Cameron has taken the worst of both worlds, the economic policies

:07:22. > :07:26.of the European Union, which I disagree with, they can be very

:07:27. > :07:34.exploitative. He wants to keep some rid of the more positive stuff like

:07:35. > :07:35.the human rights and the environmental legislation, so I feel

:07:36. > :07:39.this is a step backwards environmental legislation, so I feel

:07:40. > :07:41.the global perspective on the European Union. You want out?

:07:42. > :07:48.Certainly. European Union. You want out?

:07:49. > :07:52.pro-Europe. What do you think of the renegotiation? It is to satisfy his

:07:53. > :07:54.backbenchers and to try to give the party together, rather than making

:07:55. > :08:01.demands that will amount to a party together, rather than making

:08:02. > :08:08.things that he was party together, rather than making

:08:09. > :08:12.really apply for a four-year period and what he is focusing on, migrant

:08:13. > :08:15.benefits, that is an issue which is sparsely overstated in the media and

:08:16. > :08:21.in the mind of the public. -- parsley. It is more politics than

:08:22. > :08:24.trying to get a proper agreement -- fastly. You don't think people out

:08:25. > :08:33.there are that bothered? With fastly. You don't think people out

:08:34. > :08:37.work benefits, migrants, it is only 5%, European migrants, claiming out

:08:38. > :08:40.of work benefits, but the public perception is far greater than that.

:08:41. > :08:42.of work benefits, but the public That is a headline grabber which can

:08:43. > :08:49.be used on behalf of the leave campaign rather than based in fact.

:08:50. > :08:54.Is that a key issue? I must agree with this, there is a general

:08:55. > :08:57.perception that migrants, EU migrants take out more than they

:08:58. > :09:05.contribute and that is actually not the case. There is evidence from the

:09:06. > :09:11.UCL published in 2014 which states there is a net contribution of ?20

:09:12. > :09:16.billion, that means that not only do they cover what they take out on

:09:17. > :09:24.welfare, they also contribute to the budget. You came here from Poland in

:09:25. > :09:31.2004? You are well informed on this issue and feel strongly about it.

:09:32. > :09:40.You want the UK to stay in the EU? I do. The debate is based on emotional

:09:41. > :09:45.arguments, rather than hard fact and hard analysis of the actual numbers.

:09:46. > :09:49.I think this is what the debate should really concentrate on, and

:09:50. > :09:57.move away from the emotional aspects. Peter, you would like out.

:09:58. > :10:01.What I wanted to say, most people, most people bleed migration is a

:10:02. > :10:05.good thing, but the problem at the moment is the uncontrolled speed at

:10:06. > :10:14.which we have got migration -- most people believe. We have no control

:10:15. > :10:18.with our borders. This is a good country, but the resources in

:10:19. > :10:24.schools and in hospitals, and in businesses, the impact of the EU, I

:10:25. > :10:28.don't think we have anything in the negotiation which will reduce the

:10:29. > :10:32.burden of bureaucracy on businesses. Those are my reasons and I did not

:10:33. > :10:36.see anything in this renegotiation which will change. Could there have

:10:37. > :10:44.been anything which would have changed your perspective? Were you

:10:45. > :10:48.waiting to see what came out? The things that were asked for not

:10:49. > :10:51.ambitious enough, in my opinion, they were not repatriating

:10:52. > :10:58.sovereignty or repatriating the controls on migration that I wanted.

:10:59. > :11:04.To be honest, he did not get much because he did not ask for very

:11:05. > :11:12.much, that is what I feel. I would add, the European Union was based on

:11:13. > :11:17.certain principles, as Donald Tusk said, there are certain lines which

:11:18. > :11:22.cannot be crossed because that would mean moving away from the principles

:11:23. > :11:27.on which the EU was built. Freedom of movement was one of those

:11:28. > :11:35.principles. That needs to be taken into account, as well as the fact

:11:36. > :11:38.that Britain is only one of 28 members and it is not a stronger

:11:39. > :11:44.member, it is an equal member of the European Union. The voice of the

:11:45. > :11:49.other 27 member states needs to be taken into account. Going forward,

:11:50. > :11:57.does it shift the balance in the relationship? The deal that was done

:11:58. > :12:00.yesterday? Yes. Not really, it is a compromise, everything is a

:12:01. > :12:03.compromise, you have got to compromise with 27 other countries,

:12:04. > :12:10.you're never going to get what you want. My sense is, this document is

:12:11. > :12:15.not going to make much difference to the way anyone votes, including in

:12:16. > :12:21.Parliament. I was tramping around talking to people and I did not find

:12:22. > :12:24.a single MP who said, now I'm going to do this or now I'm going to do

:12:25. > :12:31.that, they had already made up their minds. It seems to be, this is a

:12:32. > :12:34.document which focuses on detailed areas, but at the end of the day, I

:12:35. > :12:40.suspect most people will go into the referendum and it will be gut

:12:41. > :12:44.instinct what feel in their bones. Actually, I feel European or,

:12:45. > :12:48.actually, I'm fed up with being bossed around by Europe, they cannot

:12:49. > :12:53.get a grip with migration, I think it will be that kind of gut instinct

:12:54. > :12:57.which will shape how people vote. What ever David Cameron did get,

:12:58. > :13:04.that will not make a blind bit of difference. You are undecided, Mal?

:13:05. > :13:11.What happened yesterday has not changed my mind. I'm relieved to

:13:12. > :13:15.hear you say that! I'm Australian, I've lived in the UK, 12 years, and

:13:16. > :13:21.I see the benefits of the EU, my heart says stay in because of the

:13:22. > :13:26.commercial and travel opportunities. My head says, wait a moment, it is

:13:27. > :13:33.to do with the elephant in the room, ever closer union. You have just

:13:34. > :13:37.said that they say there's nothing to worry about, but I don't know

:13:38. > :13:42.whether we trust the EU. Ireland and France and the Netherlands voted

:13:43. > :13:50.against a treaty, but the EU carried on as if nothing had happened. It is

:13:51. > :13:54.a trading pact, which can get close, or is it the United States of

:13:55. > :13:58.Europe. I would be in favour of one of those but not the other. One

:13:59. > :14:02.thing we can say, the challenge facing those that would like to pull

:14:03. > :14:05.out of Europe, there is maybe a higher bar than those who want to

:14:06. > :14:10.stay in, because instinctively people stick with what they know. If

:14:11. > :14:14.you are going to give Vince people you want to get out, you have got to

:14:15. > :14:22.make a much bigger and better I'd meant -- if you are going to

:14:23. > :14:25.convince people. Those that want to get out have got to change the way

:14:26. > :14:31.that people think. If you are sitting on the fence, you might hang

:14:32. > :14:41.on to the fence, I would say. You do want to get out, Emmett? The

:14:42. > :14:46.renegotiation, basically this is just a fudge, if you look at the

:14:47. > :14:52.demands on David Cameron, that he has secured, the red card idea, that

:14:53. > :14:57.is effectively just received. He says if many people vote for one way

:14:58. > :15:01.of doing things, we will get our way -- that is effectively just

:15:02. > :15:07.democracy. You do not need to call it a red card. And then we have got

:15:08. > :15:15.the action on curbing benefits, and I think, it is not just about

:15:16. > :15:19.benefits, people actually want to see action on numbers, as well.

:15:20. > :15:26.Where he has not said anything about that, people have noticed that that

:15:27. > :15:27.part is missing. So, I don't see that he has done much which will

:15:28. > :15:37.change people's minds. Martin, you want to stay in, I spoke

:15:38. > :15:41.to a panel of people the other day and the thing that was striking,

:15:42. > :15:49.there was more of a sense among ordinary people in Europe, a sense

:15:50. > :15:54.of pride of being part of the EU which does not seem to be prevalent

:15:55. > :16:00.in this country. Do you feel pride? What makes you want to stay in? I do

:16:01. > :16:07.feel pride in an identity as a Brit and also as a European. It is a key

:16:08. > :16:11.part of your identity? I do and think it is at the heart of what

:16:12. > :16:15.David Cameron has been doing in the last few days which is to try to

:16:16. > :16:21.strike this line between the practical case for remaining in

:16:22. > :16:23.Europe and keeping low barriers to trade and immigration, being a

:16:24. > :16:27.really great thing that we have benefited from as a country for

:16:28. > :16:31.hundreds of years, not just recently. At the same time, we do

:16:32. > :16:36.have a slightly protectionist natural fear of people coming and

:16:37. > :16:43.taking our jobs. It was to that fear, as expressed by Ukip during

:16:44. > :16:47.the election, that David Cameron is speaking, and he is trying to tread

:16:48. > :16:52.this line between appearing tough and saying we are going to get our

:16:53. > :16:56.way whilst acknowledging, in reality, we do have a net gain, not

:16:57. > :17:00.just in the contribution that immigration makes but in the

:17:01. > :17:03.contribution that lower trade barriers undoubtably make to British

:17:04. > :17:08.businesses. We have to retain that but also acknowledge that people are

:17:09. > :17:13.nervous about what happened in other countries. We can't deny that the

:17:14. > :17:17.world is moving to ever closer union so to pick out phrases and make them

:17:18. > :17:21.emotive and say it is a bad thing to move to that, trade

:17:22. > :17:22.emotive and say it is a bad thing to coming down. With China,

:17:23. > :17:27.Asia-Pacific, it is an coming down. With China,

:17:28. > :17:28.in the world so to make them emotive issues I think is more about

:17:29. > :17:34.appearances in politics. issues I think is more about

:17:35. > :17:40.face a difficulty here. I wonder if we are not prisoners of our history,

:17:41. > :17:43.the story of our island nation gives it a different perspective to the

:17:44. > :17:47.rest of Europe and it makes is harder for us to be reconciled to be

:17:48. > :17:53.part of this bigger continent. It does if we forget our history. If

:17:54. > :17:57.you look to the Middle Ages is exporting unspun will to Europe, and

:17:58. > :18:01.making the move to say, we would like some European immigration so we

:18:02. > :18:06.can bring skilled spinners to the UK and build a massive extra of

:18:07. > :18:11.industry here, if you forget that, you can say, we are worried about

:18:12. > :18:16.being an island nation. But this story of a maritime nation, it is

:18:17. > :18:21.very emotional, but I went a small business, none of us can really sail

:18:22. > :18:24.a boat! But we can all trade internationally and we see that when

:18:25. > :18:28.the trade with European countries we can do so quickly and easily, to

:18:29. > :18:33.bring their expertise here and build better businesses here than we would

:18:34. > :18:33.bring their expertise here and build when we trade for the US, for

:18:34. > :18:41.example, when when we trade for the US, for

:18:42. > :18:45.hard-headed elements or is there a gut feeling about feeling European

:18:46. > :18:49.hard-headed elements or is there a and pride within that? To a

:18:50. > :18:50.hard-headed elements or is there a it is hard-hitting to the fact of

:18:51. > :18:54.the matter but I think a it is hard-hitting to the fact of

:18:55. > :19:01.to national borders is getting quite outdated. With the kind of threats

:19:02. > :19:05.that we face, not only humanitarian but in a climate nature, I don't

:19:06. > :19:10.think you can act unilaterally any more to deal with the things we are

:19:11. > :19:14.facing. By having this body that is committed to looking outward and

:19:15. > :19:18.working within its member states committed to looking outward and

:19:19. > :19:23.well as externally, that is a very positive thing. Do you feel

:19:24. > :19:25.passionate about this? Does it feel like the right thing for politicians

:19:26. > :19:28.to be talking about like the right thing for politicians

:19:29. > :19:32.probably until June when like the right thing for politicians

:19:33. > :19:37.referendum is expected? I think so and for lots of reasons. We talk

:19:38. > :19:41.about ever closer union, I don't think that is an emotive issue, it

:19:42. > :19:45.is an important philosophical one and everything hangs on it for me.

:19:46. > :19:49.We talk about sovereignty of nations, one of the things that

:19:50. > :19:54.makes Europe very strong in my view is unity with diversity. It is the

:19:55. > :20:01.diversity of Europe that makes it attractive for people to live and

:20:02. > :20:04.work here, but if we do stamp on that uniformity with that unified

:20:05. > :20:08.state, I think that would destroy one of the great strengths. We saw

:20:09. > :20:14.that with the Euro crisis, cultural differences to attitudes in

:20:15. > :20:23.taxation. June 23? It is looking that way, presumably mystic Cameron

:20:24. > :20:26.will get a deal -- Mr Cameron. A lot more discussion like this to come,

:20:27. > :20:30.thank you for joining us. We would love to get your thoughts on this

:20:31. > :20:33.and we will talk through some of your views are little later. Coming

:20:34. > :20:34.up... We hear from a gay rights campaigner

:20:35. > :20:37.who's changed his mind and is now supporting the Northern Irish bakers

:20:38. > :20:42.who refused to make a cake And what's it like living

:20:43. > :20:44.with the condition linked We talk to one mum whose son

:20:45. > :20:54.was born with microcephaly. that he hopes will keep Britain

:20:55. > :21:03.in the European Union. The Prime Minister will field

:21:04. > :21:05.questions in the Commons about the draft deal paving the way

:21:06. > :21:08.for the UK's EU in-out referendum. Health officials are trying

:21:09. > :21:11.to confirm if an American with the Zika virus contracted it

:21:12. > :21:15.through sexual contact. It's concerning scientists

:21:16. > :21:17.as the disease - linked to birth defects - is usually

:21:18. > :21:22.transmitted by mosquitoes. The discovery of a man's body

:21:23. > :21:24.on a cliff edge in Anglesey is being linked to a triple murder

:21:25. > :21:28.investigation near Leeds. The bodies of a woman and two

:21:29. > :21:31.children were found at a house These pictures from China show

:21:32. > :21:41.a backlog of 50,000 rail passengers - stranded in the south

:21:42. > :21:44.of the country. The authorities have been laying

:21:45. > :21:47.on extra trains to try It's been caused by bad weather

:21:48. > :21:51.that's hampering the country's busiest travel period -

:21:52. > :21:59.the Chinese New Year getaway. Let's catch up with all the sport

:22:00. > :22:02.now with John and there was a contender for goal

:22:03. > :22:10.of the season last night. Absolutely, and incredible goal from

:22:11. > :22:16.Jamie Vardy. We have been talking about him all season and we are

:22:17. > :22:21.again. Leicester City's remarkable run in the Premier League continues.

:22:22. > :22:26.His goal was well worth watching and we will have that in a little while.

:22:27. > :22:33.They beat Liverpool and maintain their lead at the top of the table.

:22:34. > :22:36.People were predicting that their run would come to an end but even

:22:37. > :22:40.the biggest doubters are predicting they could go on to win the title.

:22:41. > :22:42.We'll be looking ahead to the start of England's One day series

:22:43. > :22:46.with South Africa in the cricket - hoping to repeat their Test success.

:22:47. > :22:49.After a great week for British tennis at the Australian Open,

:22:50. > :22:52.news on an emerging star who's set to become the youngest british

:22:53. > :22:59.And in an ultimate test of man versus machine, find out

:23:00. > :23:02.what happens when a rugby team test their strength against

:23:03. > :23:14.Bakers who refused to make a cake with the slogan "Support gay

:23:15. > :23:17.marriage" should not have been found guilty of discrimination -

:23:18. > :23:20.that's according to a leading gay rights campaigner who initially

:23:21. > :23:26.Ashers Baking Company in Belfast is appealing against a ruling

:23:27. > :23:27.that it breached discrimination laws.

:23:28. > :23:30.But the campaigner Peter Tatchell says he now feels bound to defend

:23:31. > :23:33.the company despite initially criticising them.

:23:34. > :23:36.We'll speak to him in a moment, but first let's go live to Belfast

:23:37. > :23:49.There was a judgment against them last year but they are appealing.

:23:50. > :23:57.Bring us up-to-date with what this case centres on. This was an order

:23:58. > :24:00.for a cake for that is expansive day which led to a claim of

:24:01. > :24:05.dissemination and damages of ?500 being awarded to the customer who

:24:06. > :24:13.was refused the cake -- discrimination. The legal battle is

:24:14. > :24:16.continuing. The customer went to a branch of Ashers Baking Company here

:24:17. > :24:22.in Belfast and asked for a cake to be decorated with a picture of the

:24:23. > :24:27.Sesame Street characters Bert and Ernie and a slogan in support of

:24:28. > :24:33.same-sex marriage. They refused that and the company said they did that

:24:34. > :24:36.because it breached the religious beliefs, the deep Christian beliefs,

:24:37. > :24:42.of the owners of the company and they said they did not feel they

:24:43. > :24:47.could fulfil the order. Same-sex marriage is still a contentious

:24:48. > :24:51.issue here because it has never been introduced here and he has been

:24:52. > :24:55.blocked at Stormont by the DUP who are against the introduction of it.

:24:56. > :25:00.We have this battle that has attracted a lot of headlines but the

:25:01. > :25:06.family who own Ashers Baking Company decided they felt, after careful

:25:07. > :25:12.consideration as they called it, they had to go ahead and appeal. A

:25:13. > :25:13.short time ago, Daniel MacArthur gave his reasons for taking this

:25:14. > :25:16.appeal. We're looking forward to having this

:25:17. > :25:19.opportunity to have our case heard by the Lord Chief Justice

:25:20. > :25:21.because we believe the County Court As I said, many times before,

:25:22. > :25:26.we do not discriminate We took issue with the message

:25:27. > :25:34.on the cake and not the customer. As a family, we believe we should

:25:35. > :25:38.retain the right to decline business that would force us to promote

:25:39. > :25:44.a cause with which we disagree. As Christians we can't simply switch

:25:45. > :25:47.off our faith when we enter To be a Christian at all

:25:48. > :25:53.is to strive to live for Christ in every corner of our lives

:25:54. > :26:07.and we served Mr Lee The customer in this case, Gareth

:26:08. > :26:11.Lee, took the case against Ashers with support of the equality

:26:12. > :26:16.commission of Northern Ireland and they were also here inside the

:26:17. > :26:21.courtroom waiting for this hearing. They say they are concerned about

:26:22. > :26:26.some of the ways this has been presented but it has been presented

:26:27. > :26:29.by some as a battle between religious freedom and the right to

:26:30. > :26:32.minorities. The equality commission say they hope the judgment will be

:26:33. > :26:37.held up because they say they are concerned what it would mean for

:26:38. > :26:43.minorities in terms of receiving services from all sorts of companies

:26:44. > :26:47.if it was successful. Thank you. We can't talk now to Peter Tatchell.

:26:48. > :26:53.You supported the customers initially but now the bakery. What

:26:54. > :26:59.happened? Initially I did support the legal action on two grounds. I

:27:00. > :27:02.think they had engaged in false and misleading advertising. Their

:27:03. > :27:06.adverts said they would be willing to bake a cake according to the

:27:07. > :27:11.customer's own design but when Gareth Lee presented his they said

:27:12. > :27:16.no. That was a breach of their promise. Secondly I was really

:27:17. > :27:20.concerned that if Ashers were allowed to get away with it it would

:27:21. > :27:24.open the door to a wider discrimination against other people

:27:25. > :27:28.and communities. On reflection, and it has been a very hard wrestle with

:27:29. > :27:35.my conscience, I feel that, much as I disagree with Ashers over their

:27:36. > :27:41.political views about opposing gay marriage and opposing equal rights

:27:42. > :27:50.for gay people, I think we have took her on the side of freedom of

:27:51. > :27:55.conscience, expression and religion -- err. I am saddened that, as

:27:56. > :27:59.Christians, they support a homophobic position, or a position

:28:00. > :28:04.that many people will see as homophobic because Jesus Christ

:28:05. > :28:07.never condemned homosexuality, there is nothing where he has spoken

:28:08. > :28:11.against same-sex relationships and on top of that, we know that

:28:12. > :28:17.discrimination is not a Christian value. Where does your argument take

:28:18. > :28:22.you? In defending freedom of conscience, expression and religion,

:28:23. > :28:24.does it take you down the path of being on the site of anyone who

:28:25. > :28:31.discriminate against anybody else on those grounds? This case is not

:28:32. > :28:40.about discrimination against people. The message? Yes, for example,

:28:41. > :28:42.Christian run bed and breakfast establishments and Christian civil

:28:43. > :28:48.registrars who have refused to serve gay people are utterly and totally

:28:49. > :28:53.wrong, that is discrimination against people which is unlawful,

:28:54. > :28:55.and rightly so. This case is about discrimination against an idea,

:28:56. > :29:02.namely support for same-sex marriage. That is a very fine line.

:29:03. > :29:08.It is a difficult one. I'm worried that if the verdict stood against

:29:09. > :29:15.Ashers, would this mean that a Muslim printer would have to rubbish

:29:16. > :29:18.the cartoons of Muhammad or a Jewish publisher, would they have to print

:29:19. > :29:25.a book by a Holocaust denier? publisher, would they have to print

:29:26. > :29:30.on the issue of ideas, it can lead you into murky areas where

:29:31. > :29:34.businesses could be forced to publish and facilitate ideas they

:29:35. > :29:37.fundamentally disagree with. Could similar claims not be made on the

:29:38. > :29:40.flip side in terms of how the judgment might be seen and taken if

:29:41. > :29:49.they were to win? That is right, if they win, there's

:29:50. > :29:53.a fear this could open the to wider discrimination, but I think this

:29:54. > :29:56.will be about the issue of ideas and not about discrimination against

:29:57. > :30:02.people, that is an important distinction. I'm not saying that in

:30:03. > :30:05.any circumstances any business should have a right to discriminate

:30:06. > :30:07.against people, it is just about whether they should have a right to

:30:08. > :30:14.discriminate against ideas that whether they should have a right to

:30:15. > :30:18.object to. In making the judgment last year, the judge concluded that

:30:19. > :30:26.facilitate any lawful message, even facilitate any lawful message, even

:30:27. > :30:28.objection to it. Doesn't that cover the areas that you might be

:30:29. > :30:32.concerned about, in that if the message worth inciting violence or

:30:33. > :30:38.hatred, message worth inciting violence or

:30:39. > :30:43.covered by the law? -- worth. There are many bigoted things which are

:30:44. > :30:50.lawful, many people hold quite reprehensible views, but they are

:30:51. > :30:56.not unlawful, but according to this original judgments against Ashers,

:30:57. > :31:02.potentially people that hold lawful but bigoted opinions would be in a

:31:03. > :31:09.position where they could demand that printers and publishers, cake

:31:10. > :31:12.makers, should be required to help facilitate the promotion of these

:31:13. > :31:19.bigoted ideas that they hold, and that is a worrying trend or

:31:20. > :31:22.possibility. We have to accept that in a free society people will hold

:31:23. > :31:34.views that we might in a free society people will hold

:31:35. > :31:38.say that they must be compiled to facilitate ideas which they

:31:39. > :31:40.say that they must be compiled to to -- Compal. -- compelled. You said

:31:41. > :31:46.there was in -- to -- Compal. -- compelled. You said

:31:47. > :31:50.your part, to -- Compal. -- compelled. You said

:31:51. > :31:52.conclusion, after years of fighting for the rights of minorities, how

:31:53. > :31:54.much for the rights of minorities, how

:31:55. > :32:01.the arguments that this centres on? for the rights of minorities, how

:32:02. > :32:05.This is a unique and complex case, it is not about discrimination

:32:06. > :32:11.against people, which is unlawful and rightly so. It is about whether

:32:12. > :32:19.a service provider should be able to refuse to provide a message or an

:32:20. > :32:24.idea that they conscientiously object to and I accept that this is

:32:25. > :32:31.a minefield area. It is not clear-cut. My passion for human

:32:32. > :32:37.rights means that I have two balance the rights of gay people and other

:32:38. > :32:42.minorities against freedom of expression, and my inclination is to

:32:43. > :32:46.go on the side of freedom, even though I fundamentally disagree with

:32:47. > :32:48.go on the side of freedom, even what Ashers stand for, they do not

:32:49. > :32:52.believe that gay people are entitled to equal rights and they think that

:32:53. > :32:55.distillation against gay people is a good thing and I'm shocked they

:32:56. > :33:01.think that, but at the end of the day, they have a right to hold that

:33:02. > :33:05.view -- they think discrimination against gay people is a good thing.

:33:06. > :33:08.Peter, thanks Who are the winners and losers

:33:09. > :33:12.under the Government's Health officials in the US say that

:33:13. > :33:19.a person who contracted the Zika virus, despite not having visited

:33:20. > :33:22.countries affected by the outbreak, probably caught it through sexual

:33:23. > :33:25.contact with their partner. If it's confirmed, it would be

:33:26. > :33:28.the first case in the US of someone infected by the virus without it

:33:29. > :33:32.being transmitted by a mosquito. The news comes as Brazilian health

:33:33. > :33:35.officials say that more than 4000 babies have been born

:33:36. > :33:37.with abnormally small The condition, known

:33:38. > :33:41.as microcephaly, is believed to be Microcephaly is a rare

:33:42. > :33:46.neurological condition. What does it mean for those

:33:47. > :33:50.babies as they grow up? Jayne Freeman's son Robin was born

:33:51. > :34:05.18 years ago with microcephaly. When did you first realise that

:34:06. > :34:12.there was an issue with Robin's development? When he was born he was

:34:13. > :34:19.small and he seemed pretty normal, in development, but as he got older

:34:20. > :34:27.he did not get the milestones we expected and all the other children

:34:28. > :34:32.were passing him by and he stayed. He did not regress and he did not go

:34:33. > :34:36.any further, it was as if his brain stopped and we did not understand

:34:37. > :34:39.why. He was diagnosed with microcephaly and I then understood

:34:40. > :34:44.that his brain had stopped growing so he could not develop further.

:34:45. > :34:48.Microcephaly is in the news because of the link with the Zika virus, do

:34:49. > :34:55.you know why Robin has microcephaly? No, we don't. I had difficulties in

:34:56. > :35:00.my pregnancy and I had a couple of blood transfusions during the

:35:01. > :35:10.Caesarean, but I have no idea why he has got it. Robin, what is the

:35:11. > :35:14.impact on you? The main thing is academically, because of my

:35:15. > :35:20.microcephaly I had dyslexia might as well, and I'm very clumsy, and very

:35:21. > :35:28.forgetful. -- dyslexia as well. I get constant headaches. Everyday,

:35:29. > :35:36.just a headache. Do you take certain medication? Anything else apart from

:35:37. > :35:40.normal headache pills? No, there's nothing I can do to get rid of it,

:35:41. > :35:45.it is always going to be there and I have got used to it. Do you feel

:35:46. > :35:51.that this is something that people are aware of around you? Do you make

:35:52. > :35:58.people aware? Or do you try to get on as normal? I just tried to get

:35:59. > :36:05.on, it is there, it is something I have to do -- I just try. Whether

:36:06. > :36:14.difficulties for you when he was growing up -- word their

:36:15. > :36:20.difficulties. Yes, when he was first diagnose, I went and googled it, it

:36:21. > :36:24.was the worse case and arias, life limiting, and we were shocked and

:36:25. > :36:29.upset -- it was the worst case scenario. But now we have other

:36:30. > :36:34.parents with us and we are supporting each other. We have seen

:36:35. > :36:40.each other's children for the beautiful children they are and we

:36:41. > :36:43.are glad in a way that microcephaly is in the headlines, but this is a

:36:44. > :36:51.double edged sword, we are also getting this information. --

:36:52. > :36:59.misinformation. And we also get roles. What has been going on with

:37:00. > :37:03.trolls? People have been posting nasty pictures to our website, which

:37:04. > :37:06.they have mopped up, comments saying that your children have got a

:37:07. > :37:13.disease and you should put them down. -- mopped. Unfortunately,

:37:14. > :37:17.yesterday and the day before, one of the people in our group had her

:37:18. > :37:25.pictures stolen and they have been put on an anti-vaccine website

:37:26. > :37:31.saying this is what happens if you do not vaccinate your babies. What

:37:32. > :37:34.do you think of that, Robin? People are ignorant and they need to

:37:35. > :37:39.understand that microcephaly, you are not going to catch it.

:37:40. > :37:44.Basically, you are born with it, it will be there. You can't walk up to

:37:45. > :37:47.someone and automatically get microcephaly. People need to know

:37:48. > :37:56.this. Thanks for joining us. It's now emerging that telling

:37:57. > :37:59.people to avoid travelling to regions affected by the Zika

:38:00. > :38:01.virus may not be enough As I mentioned earlier,

:38:02. > :38:08.US health officials believe someone in Texas may have been infected

:38:09. > :38:11.simply by having sexual contact with a partner who had just come

:38:12. > :38:13.back from Venezuela. Our health correspondent

:38:14. > :38:23.James Gallagher is here. This would be the first case? The

:38:24. > :38:26.first case in this outbreak, but there have been reported cases in

:38:27. > :38:32.the past, but this seems to be something which is very rare. We

:38:33. > :38:36.have only really seen the Zika infections where the mosquito is and

:38:37. > :38:39.it has not spread outside of those regions, but this is something which

:38:40. > :38:44.health officials are trying to get to the bottom of. How common is

:38:45. > :38:50.this, how long after the infection can a person continued to spread the

:38:51. > :38:54.virus? These are big questions which have not been answered. It will take

:38:55. > :39:01.time to find out answers like this, but what is the best guidance?

:39:02. > :39:05.Someone from Public Health England spoke about this and said at the

:39:06. > :39:12.moment the best advice is to say 28 days with precautions. They said use

:39:13. > :39:16.a, done for the month after you get back from an infected country, if

:39:17. > :39:26.you did not even any symptoms at all, but six months if you developed

:39:27. > :39:34.a fever -- use a, done for the month after you get back. This takes it

:39:35. > :39:41.back from the parameters of a particular country. Yes, it brings

:39:42. > :39:44.into question the possibilities of transmission, it into northern

:39:45. > :39:48.Europe, where the mosquitoes do not exist at the moment. There is the

:39:49. > :39:52.potential for spread into other countries, but we do not know how

:39:53. > :39:57.easily it can spread. We know you can recover very quickly from a Zika

:39:58. > :40:00.virus infection, but how long you remain infectious for is a big

:40:01. > :40:05.question. In this very short period of time, that will not be a problem

:40:06. > :40:14.for other countries, the virus will not be able to spread very quickly.

:40:15. > :40:19.How easily could it spread? These questions that need answering, but

:40:20. > :40:23.we don't have them. That is intimate contact, but what about lesser

:40:24. > :40:30.contact Weston not are the questions over whether it could be an airborne

:40:31. > :40:34.virus? -- what about lesser contact? There has been nothing about this.

:40:35. > :40:40.Nothing like measles, no suggestion of that, with Zika, and in the

:40:41. > :40:45.overwhelming majority of cases it needs a mosquito to bite one of us

:40:46. > :40:49.and then by the other to spread the virus itself, sexual transmission

:40:50. > :40:54.seems to be very rare, there has been no suggestion of breathing and

:40:55. > :41:00.sneezing, an airborne type of transmission. Thanks for joining us.

:41:01. > :41:07.Many people getting in touch regarding the EU proposals. Not many

:41:08. > :41:10.of you seem to be convinced by the proposals. Rob says, David Cameron

:41:11. > :41:14.has delivered what he proposals. Rob says, David Cameron

:41:15. > :41:22.achieve, totally unconvincing, and who decided what he would and

:41:23. > :41:27.written up -- who decided what he would demand? Graham says David

:41:28. > :41:30.Cameron has achieved nothing, the reality is that Europe has not

:41:31. > :41:37.agreed to a single one of his dumb arms on the basis of this agreement,

:41:38. > :41:40.-- has not agreed to a single one of his demands, and on the basis of the

:41:41. > :41:43.agreement the only logical conclusion is to leave. Keep your

:41:44. > :41:45.thoughts coming in. Madonna goes to court today

:41:46. > :41:50.in an attempt for force ex-husband Guy Ritchie to return

:41:51. > :42:04.their son, Rocco, to the US. I was looking at the cloud

:42:05. > :42:10.formations yesterday after our chat. I did not spot the beautiful ones

:42:11. > :42:12.that you were showing us. It has been very interesting, we

:42:13. > :42:17.that you were showing us. It has such a variety of weather, and the

:42:18. > :42:18.reason is, we have a weather front, coming south, and this weather front

:42:19. > :42:24.has produced rain, sleet and coming south, and this weather front

:42:25. > :42:28.it is continuing to weaken, and behind it we are dragging in colder

:42:29. > :42:30.air and clearer skies. I thought you might like to see pictures that

:42:31. > :42:36.people have sent. We might like to see pictures that

:42:37. > :42:42.Scotland. The weather front has cleared Scotland, this is in the

:42:43. > :42:47.Outer Hebrides, a lovely clear sky, but a very cold start. This picture

:42:48. > :42:54.was taken in Northern Ireland. The weather front had gone. The

:42:55. > :42:57.beautiful sunrise is gorgeous. As the weather front went south, this

:42:58. > :43:04.is a picture from Derbyshire, we had snow here. Quite high levels,

:43:05. > :43:07.admittedly. Staffordshire, a similar story, the weather front slowly

:43:08. > :43:15.moving south, and quite misty conditions. We had every kind of

:43:16. > :43:20.whether going. Ahead of it all, in Wales, it was a cold start and

:43:21. > :43:25.frosty, and we are starting to see some snow, and further south in

:43:26. > :43:27.frosty, and we are starting to see Surrey, it was a beautiful start to

:43:28. > :43:33.the day, but now we have cloud spilling down. As the weather front

:43:34. > :43:38.bumps into the milder air, temperatures are now rising and it

:43:39. > :43:42.will just be rain or patchy rain. The colder air behind it. Do you

:43:43. > :43:49.like it when it is cold at this time of year? I do, as long as it is nice

:43:50. > :43:54.and bright. I agree. Keep the seasons as they are. It is cold

:43:55. > :43:59.today, but through the rest of the week, we have the milder air once

:44:00. > :44:04.again. I won't complain about that. We are back in blue once again. The

:44:05. > :44:11.weather is all over the place. It keeps us on our toes. Thank you.

:44:12. > :44:17.Today the band of rain will move to the south, taking the cloud with it,

:44:18. > :44:23.still gusting winds, it has to be said. They will ease through the

:44:24. > :44:28.rest of the day. There is a mixture of sunny spells and showers behind

:44:29. > :44:30.it, the showers will be scattered. Some will be in Northern Ireland,

:44:31. > :44:35.but equally some sunshine, and Some will be in Northern Ireland,

:44:36. > :44:37.across the North, northern Scotland, in the hills there will be a wintry

:44:38. > :44:40.mixture, but at lower levels we are mixture, but at lower levels we are

:44:41. > :44:45.looking at sunny skies and nowhere near as windy as it has been. It

:44:46. > :44:46.will not feel as cold as a result, and the

:44:47. > :44:48.will not feel as cold as a result, Northern England, heading to the

:44:49. > :44:52.Midlands. Northern England, heading to the

:44:53. > :44:58.over parts of East Anglia, Essex and Northern England, heading to the

:44:59. > :45:03.Kent, there might be some showers in they will be few and far between.

:45:04. > :45:08.The same for South West England and Wales. Most of us will miss the

:45:09. > :45:14.showers, and there will also be sunshine. Overnight, showers ahead

:45:15. > :45:19.of the weather front, it brings in the rain, bumping into the cold air,

:45:20. > :45:23.there will be hills snow from that. Behind that, things begin to improve

:45:24. > :45:31.in terms of the temperatures. Cold in the north-east. Milder conditions

:45:32. > :45:35.come in, but right behind the front, temperatures in the south-west, way

:45:36. > :45:40.up on what we have seen this morning, very different feel to the

:45:41. > :45:45.day. The rain moves into the North Sea, replaced by another band coming

:45:46. > :45:49.from the West. There will be cloud around Samarra, the heaviest rain

:45:50. > :45:54.will be in the north, it will be patchy as we move around England and

:45:55. > :45:59.Wales -- around tomorrow. Temperatures in double figures,

:46:00. > :46:03.apart from North East Scotland. On Friday, bright skies to start in the

:46:04. > :46:09.ease, but there will be cloud as we are pumping up south-westerly winds.

:46:10. > :46:14.That is the milder air and the temperatures would get into double

:46:15. > :46:17.figures. There will be some murky weather at the coast, but the other

:46:18. > :46:23.thing we have is an Atlantic front and that will produce rain. It is

:46:24. > :46:25.not moving quickly, the rain will be heavy and persistent, and behind

:46:26. > :46:31.that the temperatures will start to dip. As we head into the weekend, it

:46:32. > :46:35.takes some time before the front clears away from the south is,

:46:36. > :46:39.probably Saturday morning, and then we have more pressure and more

:46:40. > :46:41.France coming in for the weekend. It will be wet and windy at times this

:46:42. > :46:45.weekend. -- fronts. Hello it's Wednesday,

:46:46. > :46:47.it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, welcome

:46:48. > :46:49.to the programme if you've Will the rest of Europe get behind

:46:50. > :46:56.David Cameron's package of reforms We'll be hearing from politicians

:46:57. > :47:00.being asked to back the deal and we've been hearing

:47:01. > :47:10.what voters here think. We see that when we trade with

:47:11. > :47:14.European countries we are able to do so quickly and easily to bring their

:47:15. > :47:19.local expertise here to London to build better businesses. The problem

:47:20. > :47:22.we have at the moment is the uncontrolled speed at which we have

:47:23. > :47:23.migration and we have no control on our borders.

:47:24. > :47:25.This hit-and-run driver was caught on camera accelerating

:47:26. > :47:30.The video clearly shows the car number plate -

:47:31. > :47:32.so why can't the culprit be prosecuted?

:47:33. > :47:37.Madonna is in court to try and force her son to come home

:47:38. > :47:40.to New York but with 15-year-old Rocco wanting to stay put in London

:47:41. > :47:51.with Guy Ritchie, will she get her way?

:47:52. > :47:57.David Cameron will answer questions in the Commons on the deal he's

:47:58. > :47:59.negotiated on Britain's EU membership.

:48:00. > :48:01.Details of the draft offer are also being debated

:48:02. > :48:05.The President of the European Commission says

:48:06. > :48:11.the proposal is a fair settlement for Britain.

:48:12. > :48:18.The settlement that has been proposed is fair for the UK and fair

:48:19. > :48:21.for the other 27 member states. It is also fair for the European

:48:22. > :48:22.Parliament. Health officials are trying

:48:23. > :48:25.to confirm if an American with the Zika virus contracted it

:48:26. > :48:39.through sexual contact. It is thought a patient in the state

:48:40. > :48:40.of Texas became infected through sexual contact with a partner who

:48:41. > :48:42.had been to Venezuela. The discovery of a man's body

:48:43. > :48:45.on a cliff edge in Anglesey is being linked to a triple murder

:48:46. > :48:47.investigation near Leeds. The bodies of a woman and two

:48:48. > :48:50.children were found at a house The internet company, Yahoo,

:48:51. > :48:54.is to cut its global workforce by 15 percent - about 1700

:48:55. > :48:56.people - after reporting a quarterly loss

:48:57. > :48:58.of almost ?3 billion. The company is losing online

:48:59. > :49:01.advertising to the likes of Google These pictures from China show

:49:02. > :49:09.a backlog of 50,000 rail passengers stranded in the south

:49:10. > :49:13.of the country. The authorities have been laying

:49:14. > :49:15.on extra trains to try It's been caused by bad weather

:49:16. > :49:20.that's hampering the country's busiest travel period -

:49:21. > :49:23.the Chinese New Year getaway. Let's catch up with

:49:24. > :49:26.all the sport now. Let's join John who can tell us

:49:27. > :49:37.about a rather special It was and we can show it to you it

:49:38. > :49:42.is turning into a remarkable story, Leicester City's season is becoming

:49:43. > :49:47.the stuff of Hollywood and Jamie Vardy is threatening to achieve what

:49:48. > :49:51.nobody thought possible at the start of this campaign. His two goals last

:49:52. > :49:55.night, one of which was a stunning volley in aid to Noh victory over

:49:56. > :50:03.Liverpool, sees Leicester maintained their lead at the top of the league

:50:04. > :50:09.-- 2-0 victory. This was his first goal, worthy of a look. A stunning

:50:10. > :50:15.volley from 30 yards out. A great goal. He is now the top scorer in

:50:16. > :50:19.the league on 18 goals and it is efforts like that that have taken

:50:20. > :50:21.Leicester to the top of the table. He was signed for just ?1 million

:50:22. > :50:26.from non-league Fleetwood He was signed for just ?1 million

:50:27. > :50:29.and he is now in line for a place He was signed for just ?1 million

:50:30. > :50:34.Roy Hodgson's England squad at the European Championship. You can see

:50:35. > :50:40.how pleased he was. This is what he and his manager thought about it. It

:50:41. > :50:46.was unbelievable how Riyad Mahrez crowned with the long ball Vardy and

:50:47. > :50:50.Vardy at the time to look at the keeper out of the goal and score a

:50:51. > :50:54.fantastic goal. I was looking all game and he was quite far off his

:50:55. > :50:57.line so when he's played it through and it's bounced quite high, I've

:50:58. > :51:03.took my chance and luckily it's gone over the top of him. It was not the

:51:04. > :51:07.only Premier League game last night. We will have reaction on all of

:51:08. > :51:11.those matches on the BBC sport website. After the test victory

:51:12. > :51:15.against South Africa England will focus on the shorter format of the

:51:16. > :51:19.game, letting in the T20 World Cup in India next month. Their one-day

:51:20. > :51:23.series gets underway today in Bloemfontein. They will see if Jason

:51:24. > :51:27.Roy is fit enough to open the batting before naming their team.

:51:28. > :51:29.Eoin Morgan is keen to stress how far the team have progressed since

:51:30. > :51:34.the World Cup last year when they failed to get out of their group. I

:51:35. > :51:39.think it is a bit scary to think, where we are at the moment, we have

:51:40. > :51:45.come up against three very different sides, two World Cup finalists and

:51:46. > :51:48.Pakistan away and two of the three series we have won. South Africa

:51:49. > :51:52.will pose a very difficult challenge in their own backyard but our

:51:53. > :51:58.objective is for the tour are to learn as much as we can and continue

:51:59. > :52:01.to do so as we have in the past eight months. It was a great week at

:52:02. > :52:05.the Australian open for British tennis, Jamie Murray took the

:52:06. > :52:12.doubles title, Gordon Reid the wheelchair title. Britain die in the

:52:13. > :52:16.Fed cup competition this year and Katie Swann will become the youngest

:52:17. > :52:22.player in the petition at the age of just 16. She replaces Johanna Konta

:52:23. > :52:29.who has withdrawn through illness. They begin their group games in the

:52:30. > :52:33.competition tomorrow. And we love a sporting match up, pushing ourselves

:52:34. > :52:36.to the limit of enjoyment and a true test of power and strength and we

:52:37. > :52:41.might have stumbled across the perfect challenge of man against

:52:42. > :52:45.machine. This is Bath Rugby who packed down to take on a Formula 1

:52:46. > :52:52.car at their training base. It does not sound like a fair contest.

:52:53. > :52:55.Daniel Ricciardo's Red Bull car can reach 200 mph but it looks like they

:52:56. > :53:01.are holding their own which is quite impressive but I think they might

:53:02. > :53:06.need some new tires on the car! As we mentioned, Gordon Reid, we will

:53:07. > :53:16.be speaking to him at about 10:30am on the programme.

:53:17. > :53:18.Thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme

:53:19. > :53:21.if you've just joined us, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC

:53:22. > :53:23.News Channel until 11am this morning.

:53:24. > :53:25.So, David Cameron will brief Parliament today on proposals

:53:26. > :53:28.to alter the terms of Britian's membership of the European Union -

:53:29. > :53:29.but are his proposals enough for you?

:53:30. > :53:41.The majority of you are not convinced. Doug has said that he is

:53:42. > :53:47.pro-Europe but will be voting to leave the EU on the single issue of

:53:48. > :53:50.immigration. I believe in some immigration of people with skills

:53:51. > :53:55.and knowledge that will benefit the country but I don't believe in mass

:53:56. > :53:58.immigration of Russ has said, Cameron appears to have a stay of

:53:59. > :54:01.execution but we are still not in control of our borders. Richard says

:54:02. > :54:08.that Texts will be charged

:54:09. > :54:11.at the standard network rate. Wherever you are you can

:54:12. > :54:13.watch our programme online, via the bbc news app

:54:14. > :54:29.or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. for an in-out referendum,

:54:30. > :54:34.probably in the summer. about the draft deal

:54:35. > :54:36.later and members of the European Parliament

:54:37. > :54:39.are also debating the plans. European Commission President

:54:40. > :54:41.Jean-Claude Juncker says the package of measures is fair for Britain

:54:42. > :54:48.and the other 27 members of the EU. I've always said I wanted

:54:49. > :54:50.the UK to remain a member of the European Union

:54:51. > :54:55.on the basis of a fair deal. The settlement that has been

:54:56. > :55:00.proposed is fair for the UK fair and fair for the other

:55:01. > :55:03.27 member states. It is also fair for

:55:04. > :55:07.the European Parliament. The European Parliament has

:55:08. > :55:09.a key say in the process, I would add to this

:55:10. > :55:48.that the European Union was based there are certain lines that can't

:55:49. > :55:53.be crossed because that would mean And freedom of movement was one

:55:54. > :55:58.of those principles. And it needs to be

:55:59. > :56:02.taken into account. I am an Australian who lived

:56:03. > :56:05.in Denmark for ten years and the UK I see all of the benefits of the EU

:56:06. > :56:10.and my heart says stay in. Because there are travel

:56:11. > :56:11.opportunities and commercial opportunities and technology

:56:12. > :56:13.collaboration to solve big problems. And it's all to do with the elephant

:56:14. > :56:18.in the room which is still that But what do politicians from other

:56:19. > :56:22.countries in the European Union think of the draft

:56:23. > :56:27.deal on the table? About the agreement I could say

:56:28. > :56:40.confused from a legal base I welcome it and I am

:56:41. > :56:59.ready to accept it. I hope we are going to use this

:57:00. > :57:02.opportunity to make Europe stronger, more united and more able to meet

:57:03. > :57:05.the challenges of today rather We support demands of Great Britain

:57:06. > :57:18.sovereignty but we are very confused and very critical about cutting

:57:19. > :57:25.of social benefits. I am very optimistic

:57:26. > :57:28.about the ongoing negotiations, I would like to see the UK remaining

:57:29. > :57:35.a member the EU. Well, this letter is not surprising

:57:36. > :57:38.and is not going in the right direction but after all

:57:39. > :57:41.the United Kingdom has to vote on whether or not its citizens think

:57:42. > :57:43.that they are better MEPs will air their views

:57:44. > :58:00.on migration and the UK's upcoming in-or-out EU referendum

:58:01. > :58:02.in a three hour debate ahead of the European Council summit

:58:03. > :58:10.on 18th and 19th February. Joining us from Strasbourg

:58:11. > :58:23.is Ska Keller, an MEP What do you think about the

:58:24. > :58:27.renegotiation? I think what has been the outcome of the deal and not

:58:28. > :58:34.surprising, as was mentioned earlier, Cameron has his victory, we

:58:35. > :58:40.are not necessarily happy about all the things proposed but this is not

:58:41. > :58:45.what the referendum is about. The UK will decide whether to stay in the

:58:46. > :58:49.European Union or not and that is on many more issues. It is the whole

:58:50. > :58:54.question of whether we can face the challenges of our times and future

:58:55. > :59:00.times when we are all together or the UK all on its own and from my

:59:01. > :59:04.perspective, being on the side of those who might be left alone, I

:59:05. > :59:07.would be very excited if the UK left. You said there were elements

:59:08. > :59:17.you were unhappy about, what in particular? One might have to look

:59:18. > :59:21.at whether this is actually a benefit for the citizens of the

:59:22. > :59:27.European union which includes the citizens of the UK as well. One of

:59:28. > :59:34.the main promises was also more subsidiarity, bringing power to

:59:35. > :59:39.people, as it should be but still the European Parliament, for

:59:40. > :59:43.example, where all citizens are represented including the UK, does

:59:44. > :59:48.not have hardly any say about the proposals put on the table. At the

:59:49. > :59:54.referendum is not about the letter between Cameron and Donald Tusk, it

:59:55. > :59:59.is not about the fundamental question about whether UK citizens

:00:00. > :00:03.want to engage in changing the EU in a better way and whether they think

:00:04. > :00:07.they are better off within the EU and of course it is up to UK

:00:08. > :00:14.citizens to decide that but from our point of view, it would be or I

:00:15. > :00:19.would be grateful if the UK decided to stay with us and help us change

:00:20. > :00:24.the European Union together because there is so much the UK has brought

:00:25. > :00:27.to the EU and all of us together, culturally and politically dumb even

:00:28. > :00:31.the language. It would be very sad if they left.

:00:32. > :00:40.He said you would prefer the UK to stay and to help change the European

:00:41. > :00:45.Union together -- you said. Do you think there are areas which need to

:00:46. > :00:53.be reformed? The reforms that we need in the European Union is to

:00:54. > :00:57.make it more democratic and to have people and what they want moderately

:00:58. > :01:02.reflected at the European level, we have European citizens initiative --

:01:03. > :01:08.and what they want more reflected. We also need to get national

:01:09. > :01:11.parliaments more on-board and to encourage citizens involvement and

:01:12. > :01:18.we need to make sure that the European Union is of benefit to its

:01:19. > :01:21.citizens, and that social issues are a crucial part, and also

:01:22. > :01:25.environmental standards, consumer protection, these things which make

:01:26. > :01:29.the single market possible in the first place. They need to be

:01:30. > :01:34.strengthened and we need to make sure that we are fit to face the

:01:35. > :01:37.challenges we are having, for example, the refugee crisis which we

:01:38. > :01:44.have at the moment, we can only handle that at the European Union

:01:45. > :01:47.level. Single member states have trouble facing this challenge, but

:01:48. > :01:55.it would be much easier if we were all in this together. What is your

:01:56. > :02:03.view on the renegotiation? You are an MEP. For us in Estonia it is

:02:04. > :02:09.important that the United Kingdom stays in the European Union, because

:02:10. > :02:16.if you look at the moment, all the critical situation in the European

:02:17. > :02:22.Union, it is important that the UK stays in the EU. What concerns the

:02:23. > :02:30.negotiations, of course all member states should be ready to assist the

:02:31. > :02:37.UK to find a new balance so the majority of UK citizens will feel

:02:38. > :02:43.also good in the future as members of the European Union. Do you think

:02:44. > :02:52.what has been agreed in the renegotiation will change much? I'm

:02:53. > :02:57.quite convinced that the outcome of talks will also change some issues

:02:58. > :03:03.in the European Union. It is only the beginning of talks and the

:03:04. > :03:10.European Union plays its role here. But the concerns, what the UK has,

:03:11. > :03:19.it is also a concern for other member states, so I'm quite sure

:03:20. > :03:28.that the outcome of the talks will make changes for the European Union.

:03:29. > :03:36.What are the areas that other countries are concerned about? One

:03:37. > :03:43.of the issues is the role of member states, including parliaments of

:03:44. > :03:49.member states, it is one of the issues where I feel there is need

:03:50. > :03:58.for some changes. But of course, also issues which at the moment is

:03:59. > :04:02.very actual in the UK, the social reforms and social reforms are also

:04:03. > :04:08.what concern immigrant workers. It looks like it is not only the issue

:04:09. > :04:16.for the United Kingdom, but also for some other countries. MEP for

:04:17. > :04:17.Estonia, thanks for joining us. Keep on getting in touch, let us know

:04:18. > :04:19.what you think about the deal. We'll be finding out why this hit

:04:20. > :04:26.and run driver who was caught accelerating into a cyclist

:04:27. > :04:29.can't be prosecuted. One of the government's

:04:30. > :04:31.main welfare reforms - the introduction

:04:32. > :04:32.of Universal Credit - will, on average, leave

:04:33. > :04:34.working families worse off, according to the Institute

:04:35. > :04:39.for Fiscal Studies. But their analysis suggests that it

:04:40. > :04:42.will encourage some people to find Universal Credit is being introduced

:04:43. > :04:48.to simplify the benefits system - by merging things like tax credits,

:04:49. > :04:50.housing benefits and job-seekers The IFS research suggests

:04:51. > :04:57.the changes will see Around 2.1 million working

:04:58. > :05:03.households will lose out But on the flip side 1.8 million

:05:04. > :05:09.working households will gain Of those out of work,

:05:10. > :05:16.1.1 million will lose out, But some unemployed people

:05:17. > :05:24.will gain from the changes, with 500,000 households gaining

:05:25. > :05:29.an average of ?1,000 a year. Those relatively likely to gain

:05:30. > :05:33.include low-earning households in rented accommodation and

:05:34. > :05:38.one-earner couples with children. Lone parents with a job,

:05:39. > :05:41.those with assets or unearned income, and two-earner couples

:05:42. > :05:43.are more likely to lose. Well, here to explain

:05:44. > :05:49.is Andrew Hood from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, along

:05:50. > :05:52.with Kathleen Kerridge, a mum whose husband works full-time

:05:53. > :05:55.- they receive a combination of tax Janette Davey, who

:05:56. > :06:05.receives some benefits. She's a single mum who works

:06:06. > :06:07.part-time as a secondary school teacher and runs two

:06:08. > :06:09.start-up businesses. And Mark Garnier, the Conservative

:06:10. > :06:22.MP who sits on the House of Commons' What are the changes first of all?

:06:23. > :06:24.It is about simple occasion. The structure of universal credit is

:06:25. > :06:27.quite simple, each family has the amount they can earn before the

:06:28. > :06:33.benefit will start to be withdrawn, that varies by family type, and

:06:34. > :06:37.beyond that the benefit is withdrawn at 65p for every additional pound of

:06:38. > :06:44.earnings. This is also about saving money. When it is fully in place it

:06:45. > :06:47.will reduce benefit spending by ?2.7 billion a year and that is on top of

:06:48. > :06:54.the other cuts, like the four-year freeze to most benefit rates. We

:06:55. > :07:01.have spoken about the winners and losers, can you tell us more about

:07:02. > :07:04.who will be hit the most? One of the groups hit hardest by universal

:07:05. > :07:10.credit in its current form, working lone parents, on average those

:07:11. > :07:14.receiving benefits, that will be replaced by universal credit, they

:07:15. > :07:18.will be ?1000 a year worse off, and that is because the government has

:07:19. > :07:21.repeatedly cut how much you can earn if you are a lone parent before

:07:22. > :07:26.universal credit will start to be withdrawn and that is why they lose.

:07:27. > :07:33.On the other hand, if you look at one earner couples with

:07:34. > :07:45.On the other hand, if you look at year. Under the current system they

:07:46. > :07:50.On the other hand, if you look at people losing, working lone

:07:51. > :07:53.On the other hand, if you look at and two earner couples, how

:07:54. > :07:56.On the other hand, if you look at that fit together? Universal credit

:07:57. > :07:59.does not do much in terms of the incentive to work at the moment, but

:08:00. > :08:05.it reduces the number of people who have very weak incentives. There are

:08:06. > :08:08.600,000 people who if they earn an extra pounds they lose more than 90p

:08:09. > :08:14.of that in tax and withdrawn benefit. Under universal credit that

:08:15. > :08:21.is not possible, everyone will keep 23p of every pound they earn.

:08:22. > :08:31.Kathleen, you are part of a couple, your husband earns an URA stay at

:08:32. > :08:36.home mother. I'm a writer. -- and you are a stay at home mother. How

:08:37. > :08:40.are you likely to be affected? It looks like we will be one of the

:08:41. > :08:45.families that gain on paper, but in reality, with this government so

:08:46. > :08:48.far, everything they have said we have learned to take with a pinch of

:08:49. > :08:54.salt, the instability and fee is always hanging over you, what is

:08:55. > :09:00.going to come next? -- fear. You should be ?500 a year better off. I

:09:01. > :09:05.should be. If it turns out like that, that makes a big difference to

:09:06. > :09:09.you? Yes, it will. Every penny makes a big difference to me and thousands

:09:10. > :09:14.of families like mine. Where you work hard and you are scrimping and

:09:15. > :09:17.saving and paying high rents and taxes and everything else, so every

:09:18. > :09:34.penny you gain helps. Janette, URA single working man, you

:09:35. > :09:39.should the ?1000 worse off according to predictions -- you should be.

:09:40. > :09:45.That is not encouraging, considering how hard many single parents work,

:09:46. > :09:50.in fact all parents work very hard, and so to hear that we will be worse

:09:51. > :09:54.off is not exactly an incentive. To hear that you are probably better

:09:55. > :09:58.off not to work, although obviously what the report does not mention is

:09:59. > :10:03.that there will be conditions, so you have to work a minimum amount of

:10:04. > :10:07.hours anyway. You have not got an option really of not working,

:10:08. > :10:11.because then you will be sanctioned. You are in a lose lose situation, I

:10:12. > :10:17.feel, unless you are earning a huge amount of money. Mark Carney A, Tory

:10:18. > :10:23.MP, why should a single working mother like be worse off? It is

:10:24. > :10:27.important to take the universal credit in the context of the wider

:10:28. > :10:30.things that the government is doing. Taxes are actually coming down,

:10:31. > :10:34.despite what Kathleen said, for single mothers and single parents,

:10:35. > :10:37.we are introducing free childcare, a number of things we are trying to do

:10:38. > :10:42.for people who are self-employed, as well. We are trying to help them set

:10:43. > :10:45.up their businesses and we are also bringing in a national minimum

:10:46. > :10:50.living wage which will increase the rate at which people work over and

:10:51. > :10:55.above the inflationary rises in the living wage. There are a raft of

:10:56. > :10:57.things we are doing which need to be taken into context with what is

:10:58. > :11:04.being done with universal credit and it will be interesting to hear

:11:05. > :11:07.whether Andrew has done this on the universal credit in isolation or

:11:08. > :11:10.whether they are taking into account the wider effects of the other help

:11:11. > :11:16.that the government is trying to give. Bear in mind, we have created

:11:17. > :11:20.far more jobs in the economy but 2.7 million new jobs, and on top of

:11:21. > :11:24.that, we are finding that the problem we have the economy, we have

:11:25. > :11:30.too few skills for the jobs which are available. We are trying to help

:11:31. > :11:34.people to get into those skilled jobs by having 3000 more

:11:35. > :11:43.apprenticeships. Andrew, what is your answer? Mark is right, for the

:11:44. > :11:46.report the focus was looking at the impact of universal credit itself,

:11:47. > :11:50.but previous work on the ISS has said things like the living wage

:11:51. > :11:54.will not compensate low income families for the impact of other

:11:55. > :12:00.benefit cuts -- previous work from the ISS. The OBR thinks that the

:12:01. > :12:06.national living wage might increase earnings by about ?4 billion, but

:12:07. > :12:10.the government is as it is planning a ?12 billion cut to benefits so low

:12:11. > :12:14.income families will be worse off. It is not clear-cut say that someone

:12:15. > :12:20.like Janette will be worse off, though? She will get help with

:12:21. > :12:25.childcare. On average, working lone parents will be ?1000 worse off in a

:12:26. > :12:32.world with universal credit than without, but other changes might

:12:33. > :12:36.boost or reduce incomes of people like Janette, and the other thing to

:12:37. > :12:41.say, we are not taking into account other benefit cuts. We have a

:12:42. > :13:09.statement from the Department for Work and Pensions. It says:

:13:10. > :13:19.Mark, that is the point you were making an Andrew has responded to

:13:20. > :13:22.that. -- am. If there are working people out there who feel they are

:13:23. > :13:28.being left worse off as a result of changes that are being made to the

:13:29. > :13:32.tax credits or anything else, that potentially sends a message to them

:13:33. > :13:36.that when they hear the government say they are all about supporting

:13:37. > :13:40.people who are doing the right thing, they might feel that is a

:13:41. > :13:46.sham? That is a reasonable comment to make, but having said that, it is

:13:47. > :13:52.worth going back to the beginning of the process, of the in work tax

:13:53. > :13:55.credits and the various benefits, and erase as an extent you have got

:13:56. > :14:03.to go back to when William Beveridge wrote his report -- actually to an

:14:04. > :14:06.extent. Way back when. Part of that, as a society we feel we need to help

:14:07. > :14:10.those people who are struggling for one reason or another and everyone

:14:11. > :14:13.would agree with that. When Beveridge introduced the proposals

:14:14. > :14:17.for the welfare state he made it clear that the welfare state was not

:14:18. > :14:25.about providing a alternative to hard work. What has happened, over

:14:26. > :14:29.60 years since then, the benefits that have been paid out have

:14:30. > :14:33.increased in real terms by about 50%, and we have got to this

:14:34. > :14:41.situation where it becomes very difficult to move from being out of

:14:42. > :14:44.work into work, and you actually, as the IFS report says, and they are a

:14:45. > :14:49.very intelligent group, but this report highlights the fact that for

:14:50. > :14:52.each extra pound you earn you only see 10p of that, and so we have got

:14:53. > :14:59.ourselves fundamentally into a very peculiar place. People are relying

:15:00. > :15:05.increasingly on benefits. I do accept that with all of these

:15:06. > :15:08.changes, inevitably it will be a very unfortunate situation where

:15:09. > :15:14.some people will be slightly worse off than others and others will

:15:15. > :15:18.benefit, but we are trying to move to a very fundamental change from a

:15:19. > :15:21.system which fundamentally is broken and fundamentally is costing a huge

:15:22. > :15:27.amount of money, and fundamentally is this incentivising many people to

:15:28. > :15:31.work into a system where it will work better for everybody out there.

:15:32. > :15:34.Ultimately people are better when they are in work, they are healthier

:15:35. > :15:38.and happier and they feel they are contributing to society, but people

:15:39. > :15:41.who are unemployed and who can't find work and who are struggling

:15:42. > :15:45.they tend to have mental health issues, tend to be depressed, ten to

:15:46. > :15:50.feel they are not part of society around them, and this is part of a

:15:51. > :15:53.much bigger picture we are trying to achieve as this government, to make

:15:54. > :15:55.people feel worthwhile and take control of their lives, rather than

:15:56. > :16:07.being clients of the state. And a final question on Europe. You

:16:08. > :16:12.did warn last year before the EU referendum that the prospect of it

:16:13. > :16:19.was hitting investment. Art you glad we are almost there? -- are you. I

:16:20. > :16:23.am, the sooner we get to the other side of this the better. I was

:16:24. > :16:29.looking at some numbers this morning to do with household vulnerability

:16:30. > :16:34.and households are still very vulnerable as a result of the credit

:16:35. > :16:41.bubble before the 2008 financial crisis. Households are going to be

:16:42. > :16:47.the losers if we get this experiment with politics wrong. I think leaving

:16:48. > :16:50.the EU is an experiment in politics. It potentially increases the risk to

:16:51. > :16:54.household far too much. Businesses need surety, they need to know what

:16:55. > :17:02.the relationship will be between Britain and Europe. If we vote to

:17:03. > :17:05.come out and we have a two-year protracted process of extricating

:17:06. > :17:10.ourselves from Europe, businesses will be reluctant to invest, that

:17:11. > :17:15.will hit households. I'm keen that we vote to stay in. Do you think the

:17:16. > :17:22.renegotiation was a success? I think so in general it is always going to

:17:23. > :17:27.be difficult and we have to get this through the EU meeting at the back

:17:28. > :17:31.end of the month. There are 28 nations which have to agree on this.

:17:32. > :17:37.It was interesting hearing the piece before this about whether or not

:17:38. > :17:41.European MEPs are happy or not about it. The more that are happy about

:17:42. > :17:45.it, the more I'm slightly suspicious, but there seem to be few

:17:46. > :17:49.who think it is going too far and that is kind of what I want to hear.

:17:50. > :17:53.Clearly David Cameron has triggered the agreement of all 28 member

:17:54. > :17:58.states but it's probably as good as he can get. The other important

:17:59. > :18:02.point, people don't necessarily understand our relationship with

:18:03. > :18:06.Europe. Listening to members of your audience, we do have secured borders

:18:07. > :18:10.because we are not in the Schengen zone, we are going to be able to

:18:11. > :18:14.control immigration, we don't have mass immigration and it is worth

:18:15. > :18:17.bearing in mind that immigration benefits our economy. Net migration

:18:18. > :18:23.is obviously a long way above what the government said they would do.

:18:24. > :18:25.We are out of time for now but no doubt we can talk more about those

:18:26. > :18:38.issues another This footage clearly shows a hit

:18:39. > :18:43.and run driver speeding We'll be asking why the culprit

:18:44. > :18:47.can't be prosecuted. And Madonna goes to court today

:18:48. > :18:49.in an attempt for force ex-husband Guy Ritchie to return

:18:50. > :18:52.their son, Rocco, to the US. David Cameron is to try to persuade

:18:53. > :19:04.MPs to back a deal he hopes will keep Britain in

:19:05. > :19:06.the European Union. The deal is being debated now

:19:07. > :19:09.in the European parliament. The President of the European

:19:10. > :19:11.Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, says the proposals

:19:12. > :19:14.are good for all sides. The settlement that has been

:19:15. > :19:17.proposed is fair for the UK and fair It is also fair for

:19:18. > :19:26.the European Parliament. Health officials in the US

:19:27. > :19:30.are investigating a case of a Zika virus infection contracted

:19:31. > :19:32.from another person, It's thought a patient in the state

:19:33. > :19:40.of Texas became infected The discovery of a man's body

:19:41. > :19:45.on a cliff edge in Anglesey is being linked to a triple murder

:19:46. > :19:47.investigation near Leeds. The bodies of a woman and two

:19:48. > :19:50.children were found at a house And if you thought your commute

:19:51. > :19:56.was bad then take a look at these pictures from China,

:19:57. > :19:58.showing a backlog of 50,000 rail passengers stranded

:19:59. > :20:01.in the south of the country. The authorities have been laying

:20:02. > :20:03.on extra trains to try It's been caused by bad weather

:20:04. > :20:08.that's hampering the country's busiest travel period -

:20:09. > :20:14.the Chinese New Year getaway. Let's catch up with

:20:15. > :20:27.all the sport now. And a grand slam winner with you? I

:20:28. > :20:31.have esteemed company with me, old and read, who won the men's

:20:32. > :20:40.wheelchair title in the Australian Open last week in a great week for

:20:41. > :20:47.British tennis -- Gordon Reid. You got your hands on the title to win

:20:48. > :20:52.the men's singles wheelchair title. What a crazy few days it has been

:20:53. > :20:58.for you, you must be delighted? I'm really happy with the results out

:20:59. > :21:04.there, it was a great tournament for me and the aftermath has been pretty

:21:05. > :21:07.crazy. And your name alongside the likes of Jamie Murray, Andy Murray

:21:08. > :21:12.made it to the final, you are putting your sport on the map with

:21:13. > :21:16.your achievements. The fact that so many people are mentioning my name

:21:17. > :21:20.and wheelchair tennis in the same breath and alongside Jamie and Andy

:21:21. > :21:25.and able-bodied tennis that is a real honour for me and it is

:21:26. > :21:31.fantastic for the exposure of the sport. And there was a massive push

:21:32. > :21:35.after London 2012 with the Paralympics, with yourself and jaw

:21:36. > :21:37.Dan White leave doing a great deal for the sport, it is pushing it into

:21:38. > :21:48.the amazing -- Joe Dunne I can definitely see how the media

:21:49. > :21:51.and public have changed the perception of the sport and there is

:21:52. > :21:55.a lot more interest and more people are wanting to watch us and support

:21:56. > :22:01.us. It is definitely going in the right direction and with Rio this

:22:02. > :22:06.year there will be more and more interest and hopefully it keeps

:22:07. > :22:12.going. Let's talk about Rio because you have a busy summer with the

:22:13. > :22:17.Paralympics and at Wimbledon as well, for the first time they will

:22:18. > :22:22.be holding men's singles wheelchair tennis for the first time so I

:22:23. > :22:28.exceptionally busy period for you? It will be a very busy summer but

:22:29. > :22:30.really exciting times for the sport and for myself and the other

:22:31. > :22:35.athletes who will be competing at Wimbledon for the first time in

:22:36. > :22:38.singles which is huge for the sport. It will be nice to play in front of

:22:39. > :22:50.the home crowds. And part of the Aral Olympics GB team --

:22:51. > :22:53.Paralympics. How tough will it be playing singles on the grass? You

:22:54. > :23:00.have so much more ground to cover than with doubles? Obviously you

:23:01. > :23:05.have a part in helping you in doubles so singles is a bit tougher

:23:06. > :23:09.on the body and adding to that, playing on grass is tougher on the

:23:10. > :23:15.upper body and the arms so it takes a bit more energy to get around the

:23:16. > :23:19.court. It will be a different challenge but it is fun to play on

:23:20. > :23:23.grass, I have enjoyed playing doubles there for the last few years

:23:24. > :23:28.and it will be a nice challenge and a good opportunity. And having been

:23:29. > :23:35.out in Melbourne, that's not at the top of your mind about a lot going

:23:36. > :23:41.on in Rio at the moment with the Zika virus and delays in venue, has

:23:42. > :23:46.that even crossed your mind? Is it something you are thinking about?

:23:47. > :23:51.Not really, I haven't really been thinking about it with all the stuff

:23:52. > :23:56.going on. It has been mentioned and I am sure we will get advice before

:23:57. > :24:00.we go there, but as long as we take the right precautions, everything

:24:01. > :24:05.will be fine and we can focus on our performances. And still revelling in

:24:06. > :24:10.your success at the moment? Yes, just enjoy it while it lasts. Thank

:24:11. > :24:14.you for coming in this morning. Thing is crossed, plenty to look

:24:15. > :24:17.forward to from Gordon with Wimbledon and rear.

:24:18. > :24:21.Now, we want to show you some shocking video of the moment

:24:22. > :24:24.a cyclist was left for dead after being hit by a car

:24:25. > :24:33.The car you can see follows the cyclist from a distance around

:24:34. > :24:34.a roundabout before suddenly accelerating

:24:35. > :24:38.Police say there's not enough evidence to prosecute anyone

:24:39. > :24:41.because they can't prove who was driving.

:24:42. > :24:48.I'm joined by our correspondent Frankie McCamley.

:24:49. > :24:55.Extraordinary that a collision is caught on camera, worn by the

:24:56. > :25:02.cyclist. Talk us through what it shows and the issue. It is quite a

:25:03. > :25:07.shocking video and it has had nearly 40,000 views online having been

:25:08. > :25:15.posted by the cyclist, Reginald Scott. You can see that the cyclist

:25:16. > :25:21.is coming off this roundabout in Nottingham, he is followed by a

:25:22. > :25:24.silver Volvo coming up behind him. It is quite a distance and it

:25:25. > :25:31.suddenly accelerate and shunts the bicycle and you can see the cyclist

:25:32. > :25:36.falling to the ground and you can hear the cyclist groaning, in a lot

:25:37. > :25:41.of pain. Reginald Scott, the cyclist, said it took him four

:25:42. > :25:47.months to recover from this. He had severe back injuries and internal

:25:48. > :25:51.haemorrhaging. You can clearly see the registration plate of the

:25:52. > :25:55.vehicle so police could track it down. They said it belonged to a

:25:56. > :26:06.higher company pulls that they said it was sub leased to a number of

:26:07. > :26:10.companies -- a hire company. They tracked down a man and his wife,

:26:11. > :26:14.they spoke to them but neither admits to driving the vehicle at the

:26:15. > :26:17.time. They say they can not prosecute those people because it

:26:18. > :26:21.would be a miscarriage of justice and there is not enough evidence on

:26:22. > :26:28.this video alone to prove who was in the vehicle so they can't say it was

:26:29. > :26:33.one or the other. The man who was the lead driver, they have been able

:26:34. > :26:37.to fine him ?150 and put six points on his licence for not reporting the

:26:38. > :26:43.incident occurs he was in charge of the vehicle, and for not providing

:26:44. > :26:50.private giggles -- because he was in charge of the vehicle and for not

:26:51. > :26:51.providing driver details. This was a statement from Nottinghamshire

:26:52. > :27:03.Police. They say that without any more

:27:04. > :27:08.evidence, there is nothing more they can do. The cyclist felt the need to

:27:09. > :27:10.post this video online because he feels he has been let down by the

:27:11. > :27:16.authorities. Thank you. If you thought peak hour

:27:17. > :27:18.at Waterloo or Euston was bad - spare a thought for these rail

:27:19. > :27:21.passengers in China. A staggering 50,000 of them

:27:22. > :27:23.have been left stranded Bad weather is hampering

:27:24. > :27:26.the country's busiest travel period Extra trains are being put

:27:27. > :27:31.on to try to clear the backlog. Our Correspondent John Sudworth

:27:32. > :27:33.is at Guangzhou Station As you say, the miseries

:27:34. > :27:39.of the travelling public anywhere else probably pale into

:27:40. > :27:43.insignificance compared to this. This is the time of year that

:27:44. > :27:47.hundreds of millions of Chinese passengers take to the network,

:27:48. > :27:52.heading home for Chinese New Year. Many of them facing journeys

:27:53. > :28:00.of 18 hours, 24 hours. Pretty miserable at the best

:28:01. > :28:03.of times but their woes have been compounded this year by that bad

:28:04. > :28:07.weather which has caused a snarl up At the peak 100,000 passengers

:28:08. > :28:14.were stranded here, packed shoulder to shoulder

:28:15. > :28:16.on the concourse behind me. Many of them migrant workers heading

:28:17. > :28:18.home for their only They won't have seen friends,

:28:19. > :28:21.families, children even, since this time last year,

:28:22. > :28:23.so pretty frustrating. The authorities

:28:24. > :28:29.are doing two things. They have drafted in 1000 extra

:28:30. > :28:32.police officers to add to the 3,000 already on duty at the station

:28:33. > :28:35.to deal with any public order They are also bringing in about 20

:28:36. > :28:43.extra trains over the last 24 hours. The queues are starting to move

:28:44. > :28:50.and people are starting to clear. That backlog is disappearing,

:28:51. > :28:53.albeit slowly. With a bit of luck most of these

:28:54. > :28:56.people should be back home for Chinese New Year,

:28:57. > :29:00.New Year's Eve, on Sunday evening. Many of them reconnecting for that

:29:01. > :29:04.well earned break with families and friends, enjoying

:29:05. > :29:05.the Chinese Christmas dumplings, we hope, in the safety

:29:06. > :29:11.of their own homes. Madonna goes to court today

:29:12. > :29:14.in an attempt for force ex-husband Guy Ritchie to return

:29:15. > :29:16.their son, Rocco, to the US despite him saying he wants to stay

:29:17. > :29:19.with his dad in England. A US judge has already ruled Rocco

:29:20. > :29:23.must return to live with his mum - but for the time being he's

:29:24. > :29:26.refusing to leave his dad. Today a final decision should be

:29:27. > :29:31.made on where Rocco can live. Let's talk now to showbiz

:29:32. > :29:33.journalist Louisa Gannon, and Marilyn Stowe,

:29:34. > :29:47.Senior Partner at Stowe Family Law. Louise, it is painful to be going to

:29:48. > :29:52.a custody battle, it is being played out so publicly. That will make it

:29:53. > :29:59.even harder for them. How has it come to this? They got divorced

:30:00. > :30:04.years ago. Yes, they did. It has come to this at the moment, it

:30:05. > :30:08.happened around Christmas, he came over to spend time with his dad, and

:30:09. > :30:13.she wanted him back home for Christmas. He did not come and she

:30:14. > :30:19.got a Manhattan judge to issue an order saying he had to come back,

:30:20. > :30:24.but he didn't. Then the situation went into an impact when he was not

:30:25. > :30:30.coming home, school is starting. -- went into an impasse. I've

:30:31. > :30:37.interviewed Madonna and she's very bothered about their education, but

:30:38. > :30:40.he was not coming, she flew to London the beginning of this week to

:30:41. > :30:46.try and sort it out but it has not been sorted out and now she is gone

:30:47. > :30:50.back to court again. We see her as a global icon, but this is about her

:30:51. > :30:55.as a mother. Yes, she is totally domestic. She has been putting

:30:56. > :31:01.things out on social media. Giving an insight into how she's feeling.

:31:02. > :31:04.She has been giving an insight into how she's feeling, but I think the

:31:05. > :31:09.greatest insight she has been giving into how she is feeding is the way

:31:10. > :31:13.she is behaving. This is Madonna, she is a control freak, always on

:31:14. > :31:20.time for everything -- she is feeling. She has been turning up

:31:21. > :31:23.late for concerts, she has said things during the show which is not

:31:24. > :31:29.like her, swearing and talking about the situation. I feel very sorry for

:31:30. > :31:35.her, because you can see she is going through a complete red down

:31:36. > :31:39.over this. -- break down. I've spoken to her about her children and

:31:40. > :31:44.how she feels about being a mother so many times, and I know we think

:31:45. > :31:53.of her as Madonna, the superstar, but she is really concerned to be a

:31:54. > :31:54.good mother. How hands-on is she? The parents are living in different

:31:55. > :32:00.countries. She does The parents are living in different

:32:01. > :32:06.them to the office with her, and I was have a different opinion --

:32:07. > :32:09.joke. What she is concerned about, and this is a woman who lost her own

:32:10. > :32:11.mother at the age of five, she is concerned about bringing them up as

:32:12. > :32:16.good human beings. concerned about bringing them up as

:32:17. > :32:20.about discipline and school and education and good manners, and she

:32:21. > :32:28.has told me things by, she is bad cop and she admits it. -- told me

:32:29. > :32:31.things like. When she was married to Guy, anything on the floor would go

:32:32. > :32:35.into a bin bag and it would be dumped or they would have to do good

:32:36. > :32:42.deeds to get their clothes back. That is a

:32:43. > :32:44.deeds to get their clothes back. She said Guy is the one who would

:32:45. > :32:50.come up with sweets, but she had banned sweets. She is as hands-on as

:32:51. > :32:54.she can be doing the job she does, but she would like her kids with

:32:55. > :33:00.her. In terms of where they have been growing up, here or there? When

:33:01. > :33:07.she was with Guy, over here, but since then they have been in America

:33:08. > :33:14.with her, with free rein to come. Rocco has been at school in the

:33:15. > :33:19.states? Yes. Marilyn can give us the legal perspective on this, is the

:33:20. > :33:26.Lord Carey cut on this? Rocco is 15. -- is the law clear-cut on this? The

:33:27. > :33:32.law will look at jurisdiction, where should the case be heard? New York,

:33:33. > :33:36.where the judge made the order for the return or should be made in this

:33:37. > :33:44.country? If she is trying to enforce that under the Hague Convention, I

:33:45. > :33:50.think it will boil down to an issue of habitual residence, where does

:33:51. > :33:54.this boy think he is residing? I think he will apply for his own

:33:55. > :33:59.lawyers to represent him, and I think he will put his point of view.

:34:00. > :34:04.I would be very interested in hearing about how the focus is on

:34:05. > :34:09.Madonna. In England the focus is on the child, the welfare of the child.

:34:10. > :34:14.That is paramount. The check list that the court will apply is all

:34:15. > :34:19.about what are the needs of the child and the needs of the parents

:34:20. > :34:22.to meet those needs. There are many things the court will take into

:34:23. > :34:27.account, the emotional issues and education, and so forth. The court

:34:28. > :34:34.can say, actually, on balance, he should go back to the United States.

:34:35. > :34:37.But how on earth do you send a 15-year-old child back to the United

:34:38. > :34:44.States kicking and screaming when he doesn't want to go? My own view,

:34:45. > :34:50.this is a case for stepping back, parenting, allowing him space,

:34:51. > :34:56.recognising his age and actually he would like to be with his dad for a

:34:57. > :35:00.bit, letting him do it. Taking somebody to court at the age of 15,

:35:01. > :35:04.having it all over the American press and the British press, in my

:35:05. > :35:09.view that is not the way to go and parent a 15-year-old child. Custody

:35:10. > :35:16.across two countries must be problematic because the child will

:35:17. > :35:23.have ties in one country more than another. In the end, how do judges

:35:24. > :35:30.decide what is in the best interest of that child when they are of the

:35:31. > :35:33.age where they have strong views? Under the Hague Convention, it

:35:34. > :35:39.finishes when the child is 16, which will be in August. The convention

:35:40. > :35:44.will not apply anyway at that point. Custody does not apply in this

:35:45. > :35:48.country, we long since abolished the custody concept and what we have now

:35:49. > :35:52.is a child arrangement's programme. Where should the child live and how

:35:53. > :35:57.long with each parent and what sort of contact should he have with each?

:35:58. > :36:03.My view is, in a case like this, it is easily solvable. This child has a

:36:04. > :36:08.aeroplane is at his disposal he is the best possible education, he has

:36:09. > :36:15.great assets -- it is not about what a parent wants -- this child has a

:36:16. > :36:22.aeroplane is at his disposal. It is about what a 50 new old boy once. --

:36:23. > :36:27.it is about what a 15-year-old boy wants. You say it is easily

:36:28. > :36:31.solvable, but what about the parents? They have got to start

:36:32. > :36:34.thinking about the needs of the child, rather than their own needs,

:36:35. > :36:39.but of course it is upsetting and distressing. Transnational cases are

:36:40. > :36:42.sometimes the hardest that any judge has to decide, because children and

:36:43. > :36:47.parents are thousands of miles away from each other. But it has got to

:36:48. > :36:51.be done, and parents have got to pull together and get a grip and

:36:52. > :36:55.realise that this is an older child with his own views and his own

:36:56. > :37:01.requirements and his own needs, and I gave you, step back. She's not

:37:02. > :37:06.going to lose in -- and take a view. The way to losing is to try and

:37:07. > :37:11.force her views onto that child. In English law we look at the welfare

:37:12. > :37:16.of the child, the holistic overall view, what is best for the child?

:37:17. > :37:21.Louise, what is the situation with other kids? This is the only child

:37:22. > :37:27.they have got together, and I completely agree, in one way,

:37:28. > :37:33.Madonna has got to lose the battle to win the war, because ultimately

:37:34. > :37:39.she does not want to lose her child, she does not want this to be the

:37:40. > :37:45.pattern of their relationship. It has been paying for what he has put

:37:46. > :37:50.on social media. -- painful. She feels mother knows best and she does

:37:51. > :37:55.not want her child to be turning into some showbiz brat, she has been

:37:56. > :38:00.very careful to keep them tightly on a leash when she is with them and

:38:01. > :38:05.she fears that will happen if they are away from her. We will see how

:38:06. > :38:08.it unfolds. Louise and Marilyn, thanks for joining us.

:38:09. > :38:10.Actress Halle Berry has described the current storm over racial

:38:11. > :38:11.diversity in Hollywood as "heartbreaking".

:38:12. > :38:14.She remains the only black woman to receive an Oscar

:38:15. > :38:17.for Best Actress, for her role in Monster's Ball back in 2002.

:38:18. > :38:20.The row was sparked because not a single black, Asian or Hispanic

:38:21. > :38:23.performer has been put forward for a Best Actor,

:38:24. > :38:24.Actress, Supporting Actor or Supporting Actress Academy Award

:38:25. > :38:32.Ms Berry told a conference in Los Angeles she never imagined

:38:33. > :38:38.the door would remain shut to others following her.

:38:39. > :38:43.That win almost 15 years ago was iconic.

:38:44. > :38:46.It was important to me but I had the knowing in the moment

:38:47. > :38:54.When I said the door tonight has been opened,

:38:55. > :38:56.I believed that with every bone in my body, that this

:38:57. > :38:59.was going to incite change because this door, this barrier

:39:00. > :39:06.And to sit here almost 15 years later, knowing that another woman

:39:07. > :39:09.of colour has not walked through that door is heartbreaking.

:39:10. > :39:16.Because I thought that moment was bigger than me and it's

:39:17. > :39:19.heartbreaking to start to think that maybe it wasn't bigger than me.

:39:20. > :39:28.I only have my take and my take is that it's really

:39:29. > :39:33.And as film-makers and actors we have a responsibility

:39:34. > :39:41.The films I think that are coming out of Hollywood are not truthful

:39:42. > :39:46.and the reason they are not truthful these days is because they are not

:39:47. > :39:49.really depicting the importance and the involvement

:39:50. > :39:54.and the participation of people of colour in our American culture.

:39:55. > :39:59.Our cities are filled with black and brown people and many times,

:40:00. > :40:03.unfortunately, we see films that are set in Chicago,

:40:04. > :40:07.New York, Atlanta, big metropolitan cities,

:40:08. > :40:09.and they are void of people of colour, really.

:40:10. > :40:12.Or they are the people passing in the background that

:40:13. > :40:19.I feel like when we really live up to our responsibility in Hollywood

:40:20. > :40:22.and challenge ourselves to be truthful and tell the truth

:40:23. > :40:26.with our storytelling, then people of colour will be

:40:27. > :40:29.there in a real competitive way and it won't be about inclusion

:40:30. > :40:32.or diversity because if we are telling the truth,

:40:33. > :40:35.that inclusion and diversity will be a by-product of the truth

:40:36. > :40:43.Next - an extraordinary video showing pedestrians

:40:44. > :40:46.in south-west London running across a level crossing,

:40:47. > :40:52.Apparently local people are fed up with waiting to cross,

:40:53. > :40:56.because the barriers often stay down until several trains have passed.

:40:57. > :40:59.One man told our colleagues at BBC Radio London that his wife

:41:00. > :41:02.had waited 45 minutes before they lifted.

:41:03. > :41:05.You won't be surprised to hear that Network Rail has described

:41:06. > :41:07.the situation as "extremely dangerous".

:41:08. > :41:11.They told us there are currently delays of up to 15 minutes

:41:12. > :41:13.at the crossing in Barnes due to engineering works further

:41:14. > :41:19.The Rio 2016 Olympics organising committee says it has seen no

:41:20. > :41:22.evidence of people cancelling travel to the Olympics in August

:41:23. > :41:28.However, the Brazilian government is recommending pregnant

:41:29. > :43:38.Here's a look at how the disease has spread so far.

:43:39. > :43:40.Thank you for your company today, and for all your messages

:43:41. > :43:45.which really do help to inform our conversations.

:43:46. > :43:53.We're back tomorrow from 915 on BBC Two,

:43:54. > :43:57.In the meantime, have a lovely afternoon.