12/02/2016

:00:09. > :00:11.Hello, it's Friday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

:00:12. > :00:15.World powers agree a plan for a ceasefire in Syria

:00:16. > :00:26.They are not calling it a ceasefire and bombing will continue against

:00:27. > :00:32.the Islamic terror group Islamic State. There are hopes that more aid

:00:33. > :00:34.will get through. This will apply to any

:00:35. > :00:37.and all parties in Syria, with the exception of the terrorist

:00:38. > :00:39.organisations Daesh and Al-Nusra. We'll be speaking live to an aid

:00:40. > :00:42.worker on the Turkey-Syria border to get the latest at

:00:43. > :00:44.a little after 10am. Plans are announced to name

:00:45. > :00:55.and shame companies that pay men We will be hearing from the women

:00:56. > :00:57.who walked out on strike and ended up getting equal pay.

:00:58. > :00:59.The British woman who bribed officials to get out of Peru

:01:00. > :01:01.after being charged with smuggling drugs.

:01:02. > :01:04.I told him that I wanted to get back to England,

:01:05. > :01:25.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC Two and the BBC

:01:26. > :01:31.We'll keep you across the latest breaking and developing stories

:01:32. > :01:34.including news the retail ombudsmen is calling for an urgent change

:01:35. > :01:37.to the law on product recall after a spate of fires caused

:01:38. > :01:45.Whirlpool has issued an alert on five million appliances.

:01:46. > :01:47.We'll bring you more on that after 10am this morning.

:01:48. > :01:49.Also ahead companies that fail to address pay difference

:01:50. > :01:52.between male and female employees will be highlighted in new league

:01:53. > :01:56.tables under plans from the government today.

:01:57. > :01:59.We'll speak to two women whose walk out at the Dagenham Ford Factory

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:02:21. > :02:22.World powers have come to an agreement to stop

:02:23. > :02:28.The agreement for a 'nationwide cessation

:02:29. > :02:32.of hostilities' to begin in a week's time was made last night,

:02:33. > :02:34.after talks in Germany between members

:02:35. > :02:36.of the International Syrian Support Group which includes US,

:02:37. > :02:41.But it won't apply to the battle against jihadist

:02:42. > :02:44.groups such as so called Islamic state.

:02:45. > :02:47.The plan was announced by the American Secretary of State,

:02:48. > :02:52.John Kerry, and his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov.

:02:53. > :03:03.We have agreed to implement a nationwide cessation

:03:04. > :03:12.We believe we have made progress. This progress has the potential,

:03:13. > :03:17.fully implemented, fully followed through one, to be able to change

:03:18. > :03:19.the daily lives of the Syrian people.

:03:20. > :03:22.Both John Kerry and Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov admitted,

:03:23. > :03:25.repeatedly, this was only progress on paper and the real test would be

:03:26. > :03:35.getting Syria's warring factions to make the plan work on the ground.

:03:36. > :03:42.TRANSLATION: As it is, we will work together with the Government,

:03:43. > :03:49.opposition groups, which are in contact with us, and we hope that

:03:50. > :03:52.the US and countries in the region under the participants of the

:03:53. > :03:59.International Syria Support Group will use their influence on the

:04:00. > :04:03.relevant opposition group so that they cooperate fully with the United

:04:04. > :04:07.Nations. We have a common determination to help alleviate

:04:08. > :04:10.suffering, and we hope that this will be achieved.

:04:11. > :04:12.Some diplomats are already saying the ceasefire deal is 'not worth

:04:13. > :04:15.Our Chief International Correspondent Lyse Doucet

:04:16. > :04:19.The talks here in Munich have been described

:04:20. > :04:22.But both Sergei Lavrov, Russia's Foreign Minister,

:04:23. > :04:24.and US Secretary of State John Kerry clearly believe that progress

:04:25. > :04:31.First of all a cessation of hostilities.

:04:32. > :04:34.This is not a ceasefire, this is not an end of conflict.

:04:35. > :04:38.But over the next week all sides are to make moves to try to agree

:04:39. > :04:43.the modalities of limiting the violence in some areas.

:04:44. > :04:46.That, of course, will not include the areas under the control

:04:47. > :04:50.of the so-called Islamic State or the Al-Qaeda linked Nusra front,

:04:51. > :04:52.two very important forces on the ground.

:04:53. > :04:55.And also, crucially, it won't include Russia's bombing

:04:56. > :04:59.of what it describes as terrorist targets,

:05:00. > :05:02.and what the west and Syria's opposition forces have said include

:05:03. > :05:05.the parties fighting against President Assad's forces.

:05:06. > :05:10.Secondly, what's said to be the immediate delivery of badly

:05:11. > :05:13.needed humanitarian need to the besieged and hard

:05:14. > :05:28.-- humanitarian aid. If it happens, the hope is that more aid could

:05:29. > :05:31.reach civilians in war-torn areas. The diplomats also agreed measures

:05:32. > :05:34.to speed up and expand the delivery of humanitarian aid,

:05:35. > :05:36.although there are huge concerns about making the plan

:05:37. > :05:38.work on the ground. We can cross to near the Syrian

:05:39. > :05:41.border in Turkey and speak to Dalia Al-Awqati -

:05:42. > :05:43.she's director of programmes for North Syria at the

:05:44. > :05:54.charity Mercy Corps. Thank you for joining us. How

:05:55. > :06:08.needed, as far as you are concerned, is a ceasefire? Well, (INAUDIBLE)

:06:09. > :06:10.Ultimately the hostilities need to succeed and she monetarily and

:06:11. > :06:16.assistance needs to get to the people who needed. If this deal went

:06:17. > :06:21.ahead and was affected on the ground, it should mean more aid is

:06:22. > :06:34.getting through? What do you need, specifically? (INAUDIBLE)

:06:35. > :06:37.Negotiations which could lead to a possible end to the conflict is very

:06:38. > :06:45.important. It could end consequences. It depends on the

:06:46. > :06:53.goodwill to enforce it. It would lead the door open to military

:06:54. > :06:58.action against key activists on the ground. It would mean communities

:06:59. > :07:02.living in Aleppo would still face grave danger. It needs to be an

:07:03. > :07:09.inclusive ceasefire including key actors on the ground, and there

:07:10. > :07:13.needs to be no interference from warring parties. The humanitarian

:07:14. > :07:20.agencies like Mercy Corps should be able to reach these communities.

:07:21. > :07:26.Even if it were implemented, would it make much difference? The area

:07:27. > :07:31.around Aleppo is where refugees are fleeing from the area where you are

:07:32. > :07:36.on the border with Turkey. If air strikes continue against al-Nusra,

:07:37. > :07:42.presumably the refugees will continue to go? That is a very good

:07:43. > :07:45.assessment. That is why it needs to be inclusive of the key actors.

:07:46. > :07:53.Different groups operate in different pockets, particularly in

:07:54. > :07:56.Aleppo. It is important but in this particular process, their needs are

:07:57. > :08:04.protected. That is the main concern for Mercy Corps and it's part this.

:08:05. > :08:07.That we ensure civilians protected and that humanitarian assistance is

:08:08. > :08:14.able to get to their locations. As it currently stands, with the

:08:15. > :08:17.inclusion of key actors on the ground, it would remain quite

:08:18. > :08:23.problematic. It would leave the door open to military action. What is

:08:24. > :08:29.happening with the numbers on the ground leaving and heading to the

:08:30. > :08:32.border with Turkey? It has been almost a week now, a little bit

:08:33. > :08:42.short of the week, but we saw tens of thousands of people leave areas

:08:43. > :08:47.north of Aleppo city, headed for areas nearby. People fled a very

:08:48. > :08:50.short notice and moved into areas where attacks continued and fighting

:08:51. > :08:56.intensified, they had to be further displaced. So people had to move

:08:57. > :09:00.further north towards the Turkish border in search of a sense of

:09:01. > :09:08.safety for themselves and their families. Tens of thousands of

:09:09. > :09:17.people in the period of four days is the re-emergence. They are moving

:09:18. > :09:19.into pre-existing camps, doubling the population in those camps. Dalia

:09:20. > :09:22.Al-Awqati, thank you very much. Ministers are to force the UK's

:09:23. > :09:25.biggest employers to publish more information about the difference

:09:26. > :09:27.in pay between their male But employers are fiercely

:09:28. > :09:30.resisting the changes, saying that it's too crude a measure

:09:31. > :09:33.and won't take into account the many reasons why people have

:09:34. > :09:35.different pay packets. Latest figures show that women

:09:36. > :09:38.in the UK still earn on average 20% The fight for equal pay was kicked

:09:39. > :09:43.off in part,by these two - They walked out of Ford's Dagenham

:09:44. > :09:49.plant in 1968 after discovering that their male colleagues

:09:50. > :09:53.were earning 15% more than them. Their action led to the introduction

:09:54. > :09:56.of the Equal Pay Act. We'll talk to them in a moment

:09:57. > :09:59.but first let's take a look back We are on strike, all of us,

:10:00. > :10:36.all of us machinists, anyway. It did used to make me feel

:10:37. > :10:39.very annoyed, really. I mean, I worked as hard as them

:10:40. > :10:42.and I've been working a long time. To think that they got

:10:43. > :10:44.more money than Everybody who works in Asda,

:10:45. > :10:56.be it shop floor, canteen assistance, tills, I think

:10:57. > :11:04.we all deserve the same rate of pay. We all work hard,

:11:05. > :11:06.every single one of us. I can't see why we should

:11:07. > :11:09.be split up and given a certain rate of pay

:11:10. > :11:39.over somebody else. We are going to require companies

:11:40. > :11:42.under the regulations, companies with over 250 employees,

:11:43. > :11:45.to publish the gender pay gap We as a government will then

:11:46. > :11:50.compile those league We don't think this policy

:11:51. > :11:54.is going to be the silver bullet that is going to close the gender

:11:55. > :12:01.pay gap in a generation. Let's talk to Gwen Davis

:12:02. > :12:14.and Eileen Pullen. Thank you both very much for joining

:12:15. > :12:21.us. So you walked out on strike in June 1968, that action eventually

:12:22. > :12:30.lead to a 19% pay increase. What prompted the walk-out? I started

:12:31. > :12:36.work in Ford in 1963, but Eileen had started in 1947. The fight for

:12:37. > :12:43.equal... Well, Ford had a grading system. We had to be experienced

:12:44. > :12:50.machine at speed for Ford would even higher you -- machinists before.

:12:51. > :12:58.They graded us as semiskilled. If you have to set... Said a test and

:12:59. > :13:03.have two years experience, we thought we should be at a higher

:13:04. > :13:07.grade. If a man served an apprenticeship, only one year more

:13:08. > :13:12.than a woman, we felt we were not treated fairly. We were given the

:13:13. > :13:16.same money as a janitor. And, I mean, they didn't have to have

:13:17. > :13:21.experience to sweep or clean-up, but we had to have experience. When did

:13:22. > :13:25.it become clear to you that men and women were being treated

:13:26. > :13:41.differently? It has always been the same, since we started work, men and

:13:42. > :13:47.women were different. Until they got to the 187 backing we happy I does,

:13:48. > :13:52.we could all stick together. How did it come together that you decided,

:13:53. > :13:59.we have had enough? We found out that we had night workers, three

:14:00. > :14:06.men, they did the machines, they only did a feud job and we found out

:14:07. > :14:13.that they were getting C grade. A higher grade than you, for doing the

:14:14. > :14:18.same job? Yes. We had meetings, it was going on for two or three years,

:14:19. > :14:26.the meetings, trying to get this C grade. We had a rise every year from

:14:27. > :14:32.Ford, didn't we, the unions put in for a rise. But we wanted them to

:14:33. > :14:35.recognise as as skilled workers, the cars we had to be skilled before

:14:36. > :14:41.they would take us on, give us a job. -- because we had to be. We all

:14:42. > :14:46.had to do a test because they would not take us on otherwise, I had to

:14:47. > :14:51.be 21, Eileen started work much longer. When you look back and you

:14:52. > :14:56.know how a story ends, it always seems obvious, but when you are in

:14:57. > :15:02.it, it is not. How did you feel going out at that time? We were

:15:03. > :15:07.determined. Every year, when the pay rise came up, Ford would give as a

:15:08. > :15:11.rise but they would not give us the skill, we wanted to be recognised as

:15:12. > :15:15.skilled workers. That would have put us on the higher grade. We would

:15:16. > :15:21.have earned much more. But they would not recognise us as skilled

:15:22. > :15:26.workers, they said, no, you are unskilled. So our union said the

:15:27. > :15:34.only way you will get your rise, or your skill recognised, is by walking

:15:35. > :15:39.out. At the meeting we had to show a band, everybody was for it. Did you

:15:40. > :15:44.feel at the time that you were on a crusade? We put everything down and

:15:45. > :15:50.walked out. Did you feel it was a crusade for women's rights? Fair

:15:51. > :15:55.grading, not equal pay, that came afterwards. You were focused on your

:15:56. > :16:01.own personal situation, did you think more widely about things that

:16:02. > :16:06.have come into force since? We were determined, if it came to the push,

:16:07. > :16:10.we had had enough. When we worked out, for the first week it was very

:16:11. > :16:14.quiet. Because they had a stockpile of seats. So they had plenty of

:16:15. > :16:21.seats to put into the cars. of seats. So they had plenty of

:16:22. > :16:29.the second half of the second week, they ran out. And, of course, all

:16:30. > :16:34.the men were laid off then because the men were not laid off in the

:16:35. > :16:42.first week, only on the second week of our strike. Then, of course, the

:16:43. > :16:47.men were very rude because they said, you are only at work for pin

:16:48. > :16:51.money. But we weren't. We were not at work for pin money. We earned

:16:52. > :17:00.because we had to earn money to help in the home. My home was built in

:17:01. > :17:13.1939. At that stage, it needed doing up, it needed modernising. That is

:17:14. > :17:18.why you go out to work. You got a 90% pay rise, did you know it was

:17:19. > :17:24.that big? I think we all knew it would make a difference. Rolling

:17:25. > :17:28.forward to today and what is being done to end the gender pay gap, it

:17:29. > :17:39.is now 20%, what do you think about that? It is not really right. Not

:17:40. > :17:43.good enough. It is OK if you have a really good job and you have worked

:17:44. > :17:47.at to the best position but people who work on the shop floor, things

:17:48. > :17:52.like that, people that are doing cleaning, they never get considered,

:17:53. > :18:01.do they? They are always going to be on the lowest grade. They are never

:18:02. > :18:09.going to have a better job. They haven't got backing, have they? What

:18:10. > :18:14.would you say - what would you say to people looking at you, you

:18:15. > :18:18.achieved a huge amount. We just walked out and the union was behind

:18:19. > :18:24.us. In the end they made it official. We felt we had to walk

:18:25. > :18:31.out, otherwise we would never have got our equal pay. Barbara Castle

:18:32. > :18:40.was wonderful to us. She suggested that we fight for all women, not

:18:41. > :18:46.just ourselves. And so much changed with the Equal Pay Act. Equal pay

:18:47. > :18:52.for equal work, if you do the same job you should get the same money.

:18:53. > :18:58.The government is talking about ending this within a generation. I

:18:59. > :19:08.can't see that happening. Are you proud of the part we played?

:19:09. > :19:16.Definitely. Now we are. What did you feel like before? When we went back

:19:17. > :19:23.to work with thought nothing of it, we didn't think any more of it until

:19:24. > :19:32.the film came out, Made In Dagenham, and then it all came out. So you did

:19:33. > :19:36.not realise until the film was made! We travelled to different countries

:19:37. > :19:39.and women were so interested in what we were doing because a lot of

:19:40. > :19:45.countries never got the equal pay, although America got it in 1963 but

:19:46. > :19:50.only certain parts of America. Because we met a lady who was

:19:51. > :19:55.fighting for equal pay in America. Let me read some of the messages

:19:56. > :19:59.from the viewers. Sitting at home watching the real ladies of Dagenham

:20:00. > :20:03.on the show, such amazing woman, full of respect. A tweet from

:20:04. > :20:10.Anthony, people forget that in the First World War it was the women who

:20:11. > :20:13.run the country. Glenys says why are the government naming and shaming

:20:14. > :20:17.people who pay women less, it has been illegal for years, they should

:20:18. > :20:19.be prosecuted. Sophie says, glad this is being discussed on TV. Thank

:20:20. > :20:22.you for joining us. Thanks for joining us

:20:23. > :20:24.today - still to come. A British woman who claims

:20:25. > :20:27.she was duped into carrying drugs in Peru tells us how she bribed

:20:28. > :20:31.officials to get back to the UK. As Kenya misses a deadline to prove

:20:32. > :20:35.it's taking decisive action to fight cheating in athletics,

:20:36. > :20:37.could the country be banned Key figures in talks on the Syrian

:20:38. > :20:51.conflict have agreed steps His paws in hostilities could lead

:20:52. > :21:10.to more aid getting through. The International Syrian Support

:21:11. > :21:12.Group, diplomats meeting in Munich, and expand the delivery

:21:13. > :21:15.of humanitarian aid -- It's hoped the ceasefire will come

:21:16. > :21:18.into effect within seven days -- but it will not apply to Russia's

:21:19. > :21:24.bombing of what it regards We believe we have made progress on

:21:25. > :21:29.the monetary and front and the cessation of hostilities fund. These

:21:30. > :21:33.two fronts, it has the potential, fully followed through on, to be

:21:34. > :21:39.able to change the daily lives of the Syrian people.

:21:40. > :21:41.The partner of the former EastEnders actress, Syan Blake,

:21:42. > :21:44.has been arrested at Heathrow Airpot on suspicion of murdering her

:21:45. > :21:47.Arthur Simpson-Kent was detained at after flying back

:21:48. > :21:51.The bodies of Syan Blake and her sons were were found

:21:52. > :21:53.in the garden of their home in south-east London in December.

:21:54. > :21:55.Some leading NHS chief executives have said they're opposed

:21:56. > :21:58.to the government's decision to impose a new contract on junior

:21:59. > :22:02.They say the pay offer is fair - but insist they don't support

:22:03. > :22:07.the contract's introduction without the agreement of staff.

:22:08. > :22:10.Firms with more than 250 employees will have to publish any disparity

:22:11. > :22:13.in the salaries of their male and female staff as part of efforts

:22:14. > :22:18.New league tables will be published to name and shame companies who fail

:22:19. > :22:28.One of Britain's biggest manufacturers - the engine maker,

:22:29. > :22:35.Rolls Royce, has announced a fall in pre-tax profits from ?1.6 billion

:22:36. > :22:39.The company is halving its dividend - the first cut in

:22:40. > :22:43.But it hasn't said anything about further job cuts -

:22:44. > :22:47.beyond the 3,600 redundancies announced previously.

:22:48. > :22:50.Asian stock markets fell again overnight after big falls in Europe

:22:51. > :22:52.yesterday - because of fears about the strength of banks.

:22:53. > :22:55.Yesterday, the index of Britain's top companies fell to a three

:22:56. > :23:07.Shares rose this morning after and overnight jump in the price of oil.

:23:08. > :23:17.First-time buyers in England who buy a house this year will already have

:23:18. > :23:19.spent an average of nearly ?53,000 on rent,

:23:20. > :23:21.according to research for a landlords' trade body.

:23:22. > :23:24.The figure is set to hit over sixty four thousand pounds for those

:23:25. > :23:26.starting renting now, meaning some people will never be

:23:27. > :23:28.able to afford to buy their own place.

:23:29. > :23:31.Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Hugh -

:23:32. > :23:33.what's the latest on the Kenya doping story, Hugh?

:23:34. > :23:40.Good morning. More debate in athletics. There is a debate as to

:23:41. > :23:44.whether Kenny will take part in the Olympics this year. They've missed a

:23:45. > :23:48.deadline to prove to the world and he'd be a they are tackling cheating

:23:49. > :23:53.in athletics. They will now be on a watchlist of those breaking the code

:23:54. > :23:57.set by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Russia currently exiled from the

:23:58. > :24:01.sport while they prove their credentials. Could Kenya go the same

:24:02. > :24:06.way? We will hear what one great coach says about this after the

:24:07. > :24:09.break. At home the news is the sacking of the footballer Adam

:24:10. > :24:13.Johnson by his now former club Sunderland. This came after the

:24:14. > :24:18.28-year-old pleaded guilty to one count of grooming and one more of

:24:19. > :24:22.sexual activity with a child. He denies two further charges, his

:24:23. > :24:26.trial begins today at Bradford Crown Court. And a shock Rugby the

:24:27. > :24:30.grizzled last might. More to come about cricket and rugby union as

:24:31. > :24:32.well -- and a shock to come about surprise rugby result last night.

:24:33. > :24:34.Thank you. A British woman who bribed officials

:24:35. > :24:38.to return to the UK whilst on parole in Peru for drugs offences says five

:24:39. > :24:41.other women have used the same Lillian Allen had been jailed

:24:42. > :24:45.for eight years in 2011 for trying to smuggle 7kg of

:24:46. > :24:47.cocaine out of Peru. She was released on parole in 2014

:24:48. > :24:49.and was supposed to remain in the country until 2018,

:24:50. > :24:52.but now she's home. She claims she's just one

:24:53. > :24:54.of a number of British women who have paid corrupt airport police

:24:55. > :24:57.in Peru to help them get out She spoke to our

:24:58. > :25:15.reporter Peter Coulter. I have never proved I am innocent. I

:25:16. > :25:22.can't. You have to say you are guilty to get a shorter sentence. I

:25:23. > :25:35.always said I never wanted another girl to come from my country.

:25:36. > :25:45.I went to Peru on holiday. The drugs will put in my bag, and they got

:25:46. > :25:52.away. I never saw any drugs or smart any drugs, nothing. It was giving me

:25:53. > :25:55.as gifts, ladies handbags, manufactured inside the lining so

:25:56. > :26:00.you could not see anything. You could not smell anything. A man

:26:01. > :26:07.tapped me on the shoulder, are you a tourist? Is your name Lilian? He

:26:08. > :26:13.says, can you come with me? He took me down to a victim, these are

:26:14. > :26:17.suitcases? Do you mind opening them? I opened them both, he looked

:26:18. > :26:22.through them and lifted up the bags. He cut one and some stuff fell out.

:26:23. > :26:30.He took another bag. More stuff fell out, three bags. Almost seven kilos

:26:31. > :26:36.of cocaine. I was told not to go innocent because if you go innocent,

:26:37. > :26:40.it can take up to two or three years to get a court date because it has

:26:41. > :26:45.to go to a High Court. So I was told, say that you did it. You

:26:46. > :26:49.pleaded guilty, told, say that you did it. You

:26:50. > :26:53.sentence? Eight years which automatically becomes sixes and

:26:54. > :26:57.eight months. You went out there and brought back these bags and pleaded

:26:58. > :27:02.guilty, you deserve what is coming to you, in a way. Everyone has to

:27:03. > :27:08.make up their own mind but I know in my heart what happened. It does not

:27:09. > :27:12.matter what other people think. I know. After you were sentenced who

:27:13. > :27:21.were taken to Santa Monica prison. What was it like there? Awful. It

:27:22. > :27:26.was meant to be held for 900 people and there were 2500. We slept on

:27:27. > :27:31.floors. I slept on the floor for five and a half months. When we

:27:32. > :27:37.arrived it was disgusting. It was where the men lived. And they did

:27:38. > :27:42.not clean. What was it like in the prison when you heard that the two

:27:43. > :27:47.young girls had been arrested? There was a lot of talk as we were

:27:48. > :27:52.watching the news, and in the newspapers, we knew what was going

:27:53. > :27:56.on. We could see. The first time, I think it was the second day, I met

:27:57. > :28:01.them because they were down the bottom for a while until they came

:28:02. > :28:04.up to us. And when they came up, I said to them, keep yourselves to

:28:05. > :28:10.yourselves. Don't need to anyone. You don't need to mix with anyone,

:28:11. > :28:16.there are two of you, stick together, keep it that way. How are

:28:17. > :28:19.they coping? Bridge Mike God forbid, it was like they were on holiday.

:28:20. > :28:24.They had their families coming out three or four times. With a treated

:28:25. > :28:32.differently because of the profile they had? Not by the director, which

:28:33. > :28:33.is the governor, he said that there would be no special treatment and no

:28:34. > :29:02.cameras brought in for them. When you were released from prison

:29:03. > :29:08.was their help from the consulate? No. Once you get out of prison the

:29:09. > :29:13.consulate has finished with you. When he left prison, how did you

:29:14. > :29:17.start to go about getting back to the UK? The other girls had got out,

:29:18. > :29:22.they came back for a visit and gave the phone number of this person who

:29:23. > :29:29.can help you. Was this widely known, that there was a way out? Yes, a lot

:29:30. > :29:37.of people went straight back home. It was $600 for the airport police,

:29:38. > :29:42.and it was $500 for the flight. That is a substantial amount of money,

:29:43. > :29:48.where do you get that from? Khan my family send me money. The pound goes

:29:49. > :29:56.a long way and I was being paid every month and $150 and straight to

:29:57. > :30:01.my family and the rest I was trying to juggle. The telephone number that

:30:02. > :30:05.one girl had given me, I kept safe and I found them, I told them I

:30:06. > :30:11.wanted to get back to England, could he help me? He said yes. I went to

:30:12. > :30:20.meet him. He told me that it would be $600. I went to the airport that

:30:21. > :30:24.morning, and two airport police took my photo and made me look at them

:30:25. > :30:30.and memorise them and then they told me what desk I had to go to. You are

:30:31. > :30:35.going through customs, you don't have a stamped passport, where you

:30:36. > :30:38.worried? Getting worried. He was looking through my passport and

:30:39. > :30:45.talking to me at the same time, asking where I came from and I said

:30:46. > :30:49.from Colombia to London. He says, you are on your way out, I said, I'm

:30:50. > :30:53.getting the bus, and if you don't hurry I will miss it. He was still

:30:54. > :30:59.flicking through the passport. Users, I am sorry, of Hugo, enjoy

:31:00. > :31:05.the rest of your trip. I went, thank you that Mackie said, sorry, of

:31:06. > :31:11.Hugo. And when I got on that bus, as soon as the bus took off, that is

:31:12. > :31:16.when I cried. How many have taken that trip? Four or five. For all

:31:17. > :31:22.five of them took that route coming back into the country? Would you say

:31:23. > :31:26.more are coming behind you? How many will try doing that? If they can't

:31:27. > :31:34.afford their fine it's the only way out unless they want to stay.

:31:35. > :31:39.Technically you are still on parole from Peru, what is every day like

:31:40. > :31:46.knowing that you are still on parole? The first five months were

:31:47. > :31:52.fine, I am starting out to... Not really fit but, you think about,

:31:53. > :31:55.would the police ever take me back, even though I have been told that

:31:56. > :32:00.they would not take me back from here. But could they come and find

:32:01. > :32:06.me and take me back? Because there is no way I am going back. Hasn't

:32:07. > :32:09.ruined your life? Yeah. It has took four years away from my kids, from

:32:10. > :32:12.my grandkids. The Peruvian Government told us it

:32:13. > :32:15.takes all allegations of corruption seriously and is improving migration

:32:16. > :32:18.controls throughout Peru. You can

:32:19. > :32:46.watch and share that film Coming up, we will be discussing

:32:47. > :32:51.emotional abuse after new figures suggest more than a third of young

:32:52. > :32:53.women have experienced a controlling relationship.

:32:54. > :32:55.The World Anti-Doping Agency has said that Kenya has missed

:32:56. > :32:57.a deadline to prove that it's taking decisive action

:32:58. > :32:59.to fight cheating in athletics following a spate of

:33:00. > :33:02.The country will now be put on a watch-list

:33:03. > :33:05.and could face a ban from this summer's Olympics in Rio.

:33:06. > :33:07.BBC News has heard evidence of doping from Kenyan athletes

:33:08. > :33:11.and allegations of corruption levelled at sporting officials.

:33:12. > :33:13.The Kenyan government has told the BBC it's establishing

:33:14. > :33:21.Asbel Kiprop, a Kenyan champion middle-distance runner says

:33:22. > :33:25.he is worried about the damage all this is doing to the sport.

:33:26. > :33:28.It is a disgrace, especially to the sport and to ourselves

:33:29. > :33:34.It is a disgrace to a hard-working athlete when an athlete is found

:33:35. > :33:40.having used performance enhancing drugs.

:33:41. > :33:43.Our BBC Sport editor Dan Roan spoke to an athlete,

:33:44. > :33:45.who didn't want to be identified, about why he had

:33:46. > :33:49.Have you used performance enhancing drugs?

:33:50. > :34:00.In Kenya, most people are using, so if you don't use,

:34:01. > :34:05.you just repeat training, training, training only.

:34:06. > :34:07.Brother Colm O'Connell is an Irish missionary who's spent

:34:08. > :34:11.He's also a coach to one of the country's top athletes,

:34:12. > :34:13.and he's widely credited with bringing the country's

:34:14. > :34:15.athletics scene into the world-dominating force

:34:16. > :34:24.He was asked how serious these revelations are for the sport.

:34:25. > :34:27.It is serious and, I mean, people had to take it seriously.

:34:28. > :34:30.Maybe Kenya was a little bit slow off the mark in really addressing

:34:31. > :34:32.this problem when it first came to the fore.

:34:33. > :34:36.2012, just before the London Olympics, there were

:34:37. > :34:44.And they were more or less swept under the carpet a little bit.

:34:45. > :34:51.But now, I think, since then, it has very much hit home

:34:52. > :34:56.that there is a problem in the country.

:34:57. > :34:59.And we are hoping, as coaches on the ground, and as athletes,

:35:00. > :35:07.that this won't, kind of, interfere with our focus on Rio,

:35:08. > :35:13.that it would in any way distract from it.

:35:14. > :35:20.-- that it will not in any way distract from it.

:35:21. > :35:22.And, of course, Kenya has to, as far as it possibly can,

:35:23. > :35:25.go into Rio with a clean sheet, you know?

:35:26. > :35:27.And convince the world, basically, as cycling is trying to do,

:35:28. > :35:31.that we've now cleaned up our act, we are on top of these things,

:35:32. > :35:33.and any performance we see from Kenya in Rio

:35:34. > :35:37.Let's speak now to Peter Musemi from the BBC's Swahili Service,

:35:38. > :35:46.who has been following developments in Kenya.

:35:47. > :35:57.And we are joined by a webcam from I representative from Sporting

:35:58. > :36:01.Integrity, and organisation that aims to clean up sport. Where do

:36:02. > :36:06.things go from here, they have not delivered what the World Anti-Doping

:36:07. > :36:10.Agency wanted? Wada has issued a statement to clarify that it is true

:36:11. > :36:16.that Kenya was not able to the deadline given to set up a credible

:36:17. > :36:22.anti-doping agency. At the same statement from Wada acknowledges

:36:23. > :36:26.that a body has been set up, it has not started functioning as yet. They

:36:27. > :36:32.acknowledge that Kenya has made strides. So Kenya is to be put under

:36:33. > :36:40.watch among other nations expected to take action to fulfil the

:36:41. > :36:45.expectations of Wada. I need to point out that there is Brazil,

:36:46. > :36:53.France, L Jim, Andorra, all of these countries are in debt a watchlist of

:36:54. > :36:58.Wada -- Belgium and Andorra. Kenya could end up not being able to

:36:59. > :37:02.compete in the Rio Olympics, how is this being seen in Kenya? It would

:37:03. > :37:08.be devastating for Kenya if it was not to participate. It even worse

:37:09. > :37:14.for athletics. I don't see the possibility of Kenya not being at

:37:15. > :37:20.Rio. It would be a disaster, not for Kenya only but for the IAAF and for

:37:21. > :37:29.the Games. Think about the Olympics without the chap that you just sold,

:37:30. > :37:38.Kiprop, the 1500 world champions, and many other world champions, 8000

:37:39. > :37:43.metres, 1500 metres, 5000 metres, 10,000 metres, men and women. It is

:37:44. > :37:48.not possible to hold Games without champions, I don't think it will be

:37:49. > :37:52.possible for Kenya not to participate. I think they will be

:37:53. > :37:58.able to meet what has been asked in good time. The government has given

:37:59. > :38:02.reassurance that is now a body is in place, funds are being made

:38:03. > :38:07.available to have a laboratory so that anti-doping will be conducted

:38:08. > :38:12.within the country. For many years, samples had to be sent to South

:38:13. > :38:16.Africa or Switzerland for testing, which has left loopholes. That is

:38:17. > :38:20.why in the last five years or so there has been increased cases of

:38:21. > :38:24.doping, with a big number of athletes having tested positive. I

:38:25. > :38:29.also need to point out that these were not high profile athletes, I

:38:30. > :38:33.don't want to call them mediocre, that they were not the sort of

:38:34. > :38:38.athletes that would qualify to represent their country in big

:38:39. > :38:42.sports like the Olympics or world athletics Championships. Thank you,

:38:43. > :38:50.Peter. Let's not talk to Michelle, could Kenya do enough to be able to

:38:51. > :38:55.compete in the Olympics? -- let's now talk to. The expectations on

:38:56. > :39:01.Kenya and the other countries identified is that they want to see

:39:02. > :39:05.a better national anti-doping programme from the World Anti-Doping

:39:06. > :39:10.Agency. As long as there is funding and the is available, there is

:39:11. > :39:15.really no reason. -- and the expertise is available. This is a

:39:16. > :39:21.great example of how the power of sport, as they say, to change lives

:39:22. > :39:29.is working negatively. People can see sport as a route to be able to

:39:30. > :39:34.bring money to their region, it is a way to get immediate success. They

:39:35. > :39:40.are looking to doping as the routes to take them there. I don't think it

:39:41. > :39:44.is a problem not having a laboratory, that is very expensive,

:39:45. > :39:51.but certainly better quarter nation of testing, better education for the

:39:52. > :39:59.athlete and the opportunity to root out anybody who seems to be pushing

:40:00. > :40:05.doping as a solution onto vulnerable athletes who are just looking for a

:40:06. > :40:08.way, in many respects, to bring some wealth to their area of the country.

:40:09. > :40:14.We have seen that in the Commonwealth Games, we know we have

:40:15. > :40:22.to make sure we have the right message going about sport and about

:40:23. > :40:25.success in sport. Unfortunately, everything we are seeing happening,

:40:26. > :40:31.with the amount of money being used within sport, probably suggests that

:40:32. > :40:37.corruption will get you somewhere. Now the focus is on hold countries

:40:38. > :40:44.rather than individuals, is it a turning point? -- on entire

:40:45. > :40:49.countries rather than individuals? I would hope so, in weightlifting

:40:50. > :40:53.there has been a number of positive tests and then the whole country is

:40:54. > :40:58.banned. We are beginning to see the impact on the culture of sport in a

:40:59. > :41:05.country, maybe even the culture of a sport, which is what has always

:41:06. > :41:09.given as risk factors in or go -- order to target testing. It is

:41:10. > :41:14.important that we do not just look at one single athlete but the

:41:15. > :41:19.circumstances that have brought them to using doping substances and how

:41:20. > :41:25.we address that. There needs to be a strong national programme but it

:41:26. > :41:30.also needs independent oversight and the funding, sufficient funding.

:41:31. > :41:35.This is not a cheap operation. For some governments it has to be a

:41:36. > :41:40.decision that the country's most immediate concerns, then paying for

:41:41. > :41:43.anti-doping. You can understand why this is not the easiest problem to

:41:44. > :41:55.solve. Thank you both very much. With tumble dryers bursting into

:41:56. > :41:59.flames and thousands of worried owners, our manufacturers taking the

:42:00. > :42:04.problem seriously enough? Getting tetchy few have had any experience

:42:05. > :42:05.of anything like that. -- get into her chin a few have had.

:42:06. > :42:07.Internet memes based on photos of everyone from celebrities

:42:08. > :42:09.to politicians are everywhere online.

:42:10. > :42:12.But what if someone made a meme of your son comparing him to a pug?

:42:13. > :42:31.Well, that happened to an American mother, and she fought back.

:42:32. > :42:34.I was going through my phone on Facebook and one of the moms

:42:35. > :42:37.in a group I'm in on Facebook, she posted it and said,

:42:38. > :42:43.Within a couple of minutes people had tagged me in it and said,

:42:44. > :43:05.It just didn't even resonate with me as even attempting to be funny.

:43:06. > :43:15.I just didn't understand the intent behind someone that made that.

:43:16. > :43:21.Every time we would finally get Facebook to take one down,

:43:22. > :43:23.it's like within an hour somebody would send us a link

:43:24. > :43:30.You click on the report button and you and you just report it

:43:31. > :43:34.for whatever content you think it's being misused for,

:43:35. > :43:36.I don't know that that is what necessarily takes

:43:37. > :43:40.But when I looked into it more and I found the copyright claim,

:43:41. > :43:43.every time I filled out the copyright form, that photo

:43:44. > :43:44.was taken down usually within 24 hours.

:43:45. > :43:47.People share stuff that engages them in some way.

:43:48. > :43:49.Often times that engagement is something they makes them

:43:50. > :43:54.And then a subset of that is engagement that's humorous

:43:55. > :44:00.She enlisted friends, she enlisted people to spread

:44:01. > :44:03.the meaning of, let's take these down, in a way that used the same

:44:04. > :44:09.tool that spread the image to the service of removing the image.

:44:10. > :44:13.I've had a lot of people reach out and say, "I didn't know

:44:14. > :44:16.that was a real child in that photo and I saw your story on the news

:44:17. > :44:21.and I want to thank you for sharing what he has and what it is about.

:44:22. > :44:23.And I'm so sorry for posting that meme."

:44:24. > :44:26.It's turned into something more than just distorting the photo

:44:27. > :44:58.Now the latest weather update, it has been a mixed bag. If I'd ask you

:44:59. > :45:03.a simple question, what has the winter been like so far, you would

:45:04. > :45:06.say, mixed. If you made a shopping list of rain, wind, mild

:45:07. > :45:09.say, mixed. If you made a shopping cold weather, snow, we've had a

:45:10. > :45:14.door. Because of where we are in the world, mostly. Quite a unique

:45:15. > :45:18.position. We've got the vast expanse of the continent, Europe and Asia,

:45:19. > :45:22.sitting to the east. To the west we have the vast expanse of the

:45:23. > :45:26.Atlantic Ocean. Whenever we get a south-westerly wind, it picks up a

:45:27. > :45:32.lot of warmth and a lot of moisture from the ocean. This is kind of how

:45:33. > :45:37.we started our winter. Unfortunately, as we've seen, it

:45:38. > :45:42.brings us some very wet weather, flooding, and yet at the same time

:45:43. > :45:46.it was mild. If we flip a coin, what will happen? Probably what you'd

:45:47. > :45:51.expect. If the wind is coming from that used across the cold continent,

:45:52. > :45:56.ten bridges in Siberia reach -30 degrees at this time of year, that

:45:57. > :46:02.brings these wintry scenes. Cold weather. Often quite dry. All we

:46:03. > :46:05.need is the to shift slightly and become north-easterly and that is

:46:06. > :46:10.when we will get snow and scenes like this. We can take most things

:46:11. > :46:15.off the shopping list so far. And what about the days ahead? I think

:46:16. > :46:21.cold will be the big story in the next few days. It's chilly out

:46:22. > :46:26.there, get used to it because there's more cold weather in the

:46:27. > :46:31.next few days, for the rest of today quite a chilly feel, I am not sure

:46:32. > :46:36.we will see really snowy scenes in many places although some places

:46:37. > :46:41.especially northern Scotland, this cloud is producing snow and sleet

:46:42. > :46:45.showers at low levels and some icy conditions. Further south showers

:46:46. > :46:48.moving in across south-west England, sliding across the south coast, in

:46:49. > :46:53.between, a fair amount of showers, if you are lucky you will get

:46:54. > :46:56.sunshine, although not as much as people had yesterday. Let's take a

:46:57. > :47:01.closer look at this afternoon, towards Aberdeenshire, here we will

:47:02. > :47:09.see a couple of centimetres of snow in place even at low levels,

:47:10. > :47:12.southern Scotland at this stage, a few from northern England, into the

:47:13. > :47:16.Midland and Wales, we should see sunshine as well, more in the way of

:47:17. > :47:21.cloud close to the south coast of England, some outbreaks of showers,

:47:22. > :47:29.8 degrees in Plymouth, the winds in most places are fairly light. We

:47:30. > :47:32.will see showers continuing across Northern Ireland, increasingly in

:47:33. > :47:37.South eastern Scotland, and down to the south-west, different weather,

:47:38. > :47:42.wet and windy, working its way in. That will hold temperatures up to 6

:47:43. > :47:45.degrees. Where we see clear spells and elsewhere there will be patchy

:47:46. > :47:51.frost and I is for tomorrow. Saturday morning starts ominously,

:47:52. > :47:54.this area of low pressure looks as if it's going to move south so the

:47:55. > :47:59.Channel islands will have a wet and windy day, some rain dripping into

:48:00. > :48:02.southern England, South Wales, and on the northern edge of that, don't

:48:03. > :48:08.be surprised to see snow over high ground. The snow showers continue to

:48:09. > :48:12.work across South East Scotland, who we could see a few centimetres of

:48:13. > :48:17.snow, elsewhere dry weather, cloud and St John, still a chilly feel and

:48:18. > :48:21.the winds will be stronger tomorrow. Moving into Sunday, the wind

:48:22. > :48:26.switches direction. Look at these Isa bars. By Sunday they will come

:48:27. > :48:29.from the Arctic. By Sunday that will continue to plunge this cold air in

:48:30. > :48:34.our directions on Sunday will certainly feel cold. This keen

:48:35. > :48:39.North, north-easterly wind bringing showers to eastern coastal areas,

:48:40. > :48:43.dry weather elsewhere, some cloud and sunshine, these are the best

:48:44. > :48:46.tempered as we can expect, between four and 7 degrees, looking ahead to

:48:47. > :48:51.next week when it will stay chilly ten bridges struggling in single

:48:52. > :48:57.figures but at least we should see some sunshine.

:48:58. > :49:00.Hello it's Friday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

:49:01. > :49:02.welcome to the programme if you've just joined us...coming

:49:03. > :49:10.More than 40 years after the striking workers at Ford in Dhaka

:49:11. > :49:15.and women are still fighting for equal pay. Now the government could

:49:16. > :49:17.name and shame the worst employers. We have heard from some of the

:49:18. > :49:24.people involved in that historic dispute. Our union said, the only

:49:25. > :49:25.way you will get your rights and your skill recognised is by walking

:49:26. > :49:29.out. We'll be debating the issue of equal

:49:30. > :49:32.pay live in the next few minutes. More than one in three woman say

:49:33. > :49:35.they've experience a controlling relationship - we'll be asking why

:49:36. > :49:38.the problem of emotional abuse is so widespread and what

:49:39. > :49:45.can be done about it. And hundreds of tumble dryers have

:49:46. > :49:54.caught fire in homes. Now there's a call for new rules from any fracture

:49:55. > :49:56.risk of potentially dangerous items. -- new rules for manufacturers of

:49:57. > :50:05.potentially dangerous items. It's 10:04, the main

:50:06. > :50:07.news this morning. The United States and Russia have

:50:08. > :50:10.agreed to seek a truce in Syria The deal, reached at talks in Munich

:50:11. > :50:14.last night, doesn't include a halt to the bombing of terror groups,

:50:15. > :50:22.including so-called Islamic State. But there is an agreement on

:50:23. > :50:25.delivering humanitarian aid. The main Syrian opposition delegation

:50:26. > :50:31.says it could lead back to peace talks. We believe we have made

:50:32. > :50:36.progress on both the humanitarian front and the cessation of

:50:37. > :50:42.hostilities front. And these two fronts, this progress, has the

:50:43. > :50:48.potential fully implemented, fully followed through, to be able to

:50:49. > :50:55.change the daily lives of the Syrian people. TRANSLATION: Row we welcome

:50:56. > :51:03.the effort our friends are making to release the Syrian people. We must

:51:04. > :51:07.be for all Syrians. We must see action on the ground. If we see

:51:08. > :51:13.action and limitations. The partner of the former EastEnders

:51:14. > :51:16.actress, Syan Blake, has been arrested at Heathrow Airpot

:51:17. > :51:18.on suspicion of murdering her Arthur Simpson-Kent

:51:19. > :51:22.was detained after flying back The bodies of Syan Blake

:51:23. > :51:28.and her sons were were found in the garden of their home

:51:29. > :51:34.in south-east London in December. Some leading NHS chief executives

:51:35. > :51:38.seem to distance themselves from the decision to impose a new contract on

:51:39. > :51:42.junior doctors in England although they think it is a fair deal. Health

:51:43. > :51:46.Secretary Jeremy Hunt has defended the imposition of the contract,

:51:47. > :51:49.saying that stability in the NHS was needed.

:51:50. > :51:52.Firms with more than 250 employees will have to publish any disparity

:51:53. > :51:55.in the salaries of their male and female staff as part of efforts

:51:56. > :52:00.New league tables will be published to name and shame companies who fail

:52:01. > :52:07.One of Britain's biggest manufacturers - the engine maker,

:52:08. > :52:14.Rolls Royce, has announced a fall in pre-tax profits from ?1.6 billion

:52:15. > :52:26.Asian stockmarkets fell again - after big falls in Europe yesterday

:52:27. > :52:28.- because of fears about the strength of banks.

:52:29. > :52:31.Yesterday, the index of Britain's top companies fell to a three

:52:32. > :52:35.But shares across Europe were up this morning after an overnight

:52:36. > :52:45.More evidence of how Generation Rent is losing out -

:52:46. > :52:54.that first-time buyers in England who buy a house this year

:52:55. > :52:58.will already have spent an average of nearly ?53,000

:52:59. > :53:01.That's according to research for a landlords' trade body.

:53:02. > :53:04.The figure is set to hit over sixty four thousand pounds for those

:53:05. > :53:08.Hugh joins us now with all the sport - and as we were discussing earlier,

:53:09. > :53:11.Kenya have a lot to do if they're going to make

:53:12. > :53:16.Yes, they could be banned from the Summer Olympics in Rio after they

:53:17. > :53:18.missed a deadline to prove the country is tackling doping in

:53:19. > :53:21.athletics. After a spate of positive tests officials have failed to

:53:22. > :53:26.provide the World Anti-Doping Agency with proof that they are tackling

:53:27. > :53:34.the cheats. They now have to bring in measures to deal with the issue.

:53:35. > :53:39.The top athlete in the country is not implicated and his coach says it

:53:40. > :53:46.is not widespread. I would not face. I don't have any evidence of

:53:47. > :53:50.behaviour or talk the athletes to show that it is rife. Yet in a sense

:53:51. > :53:55.it is there and we cannot hide our heads and say it is not around. And

:53:56. > :54:01.of course, doping has the potential to spread. If you do not nip it in

:54:02. > :54:07.the bird, you could have a major problem in terms of numbers. England

:54:08. > :54:10.footballer Adam Johnson has been sacked by Sunderland after pleading

:54:11. > :54:15.guilty to one count of sexual activity with a child and one charge

:54:16. > :54:18.of grooming. The 28-year-old was initially dropped for the Premier

:54:19. > :54:21.League match tomorrow against Manchester United although he had

:54:22. > :54:26.his contract to minute and hours later. His trial will begin at

:54:27. > :54:30.Bradford Crown Court today. He will face two further charges, which he

:54:31. > :54:33.denies. England have made three changes to the side to face Italy in

:54:34. > :54:37.the rugby union six Nations. In a poll comes in, Courtney Lawes for

:54:38. > :54:43.Launchbury, and Ben Youngs fought poll comes in, Courtney Lawes for

:54:44. > :54:46.Danny Care. England won the opener against Scotland last weekend and go

:54:47. > :54:50.to Rome top of the table. Coach Eddie Jones said he wanted to give

:54:51. > :54:56.Italy a good hiding! Something simpler happened in the Super League

:54:57. > :55:00.last night, Salford Red Devils beating St Helens 44-10. Their first

:55:01. > :55:05.win against St Helens in several years after a heavy defeat last

:55:06. > :55:09.season, one player famously treated, I've had enough, and left early.

:55:10. > :55:13.This time Salford scored eight tries and he waited until the end, saying

:55:14. > :55:17.that he did not want the game to finish. England's cricketers are in

:55:18. > :55:21.action today, Sarah Taylor's 100th one-day match did not start as

:55:22. > :55:24.planned when she was out for a duck in their second one-day

:55:25. > :55:29.international against South Africa in Centurion. England 132-4 short

:55:30. > :55:33.time ago. The men have a chance to wrap up the one-day CDs in South

:55:34. > :55:38.Africa today, they are leading 2-1 going into the fourth match out of

:55:39. > :55:42.five in Johannesburg. Mark Cavendish is in pole position to win the tour

:55:43. > :55:46.of Qatar for the second time. He is leading by two seconds going into

:55:47. > :55:51.the final stage in Dohuk today. Chris Froome has told the BBC that

:55:52. > :55:55.his priority this year is to win a third Tour de France title. He says

:55:56. > :55:59.he would rather do that than win Olympic gold. He told the BBC that

:56:00. > :56:03.the Tour de France was the holy grail of cycling. That is all for

:56:04. > :56:05.now. All the headlines in half an hour. See you then. See you later.

:56:06. > :56:07.Thank you. Thank you for joining us this

:56:08. > :56:10.morning, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

:56:11. > :56:19.we're on BBC 2 and the BBC We'll keep you up-to-date with the

:56:20. > :56:23.latest stories. We have been talking about the gender pay gap and plans

:56:24. > :56:27.by the government to make firms with more than 250 staff publishing the

:56:28. > :56:41.differences in pay between male and female employees.

:56:42. > :56:47.Earlier we had your comments, Nigel says, those ladies are two of the

:56:48. > :56:52.ladies who changed society for the better, the impact is inestimable.

:56:53. > :56:56.Another tweet says, so proud of them, and another Tweet points out

:56:57. > :57:01.that revelation of pay is so taboo in the UK, there is this inequality

:57:02. > :57:05.in all companies, same job or grade, different pay. Interesting to hear

:57:06. > :57:08.from you, do get in touch about that and everything we are talking about.

:57:09. > :57:16.Texts are charged at the standard rate.

:57:17. > :57:18.Wherever you are you can watch our programme online -

:57:19. > :57:21.via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria.

:57:22. > :57:23.World powers have come to an agreement to stop

:57:24. > :57:28.The agreement for a 'nationwide cessation

:57:29. > :57:31.of hostilities' to begin in a week's time was made last night,

:57:32. > :57:32.after talks in Germany between members

:57:33. > :57:35.of the International Syrian Support Group which includes US,

:57:36. > :57:43.But it won't apply to the battle against terror groups

:57:44. > :57:47.The plan was announced by the American Secretary of State,

:57:48. > :57:57.John Kerry, and his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov.

:57:58. > :58:04.We believe we have made progress on the humanitarian front

:58:05. > :58:06.and the cessation of hostilities front.

:58:07. > :58:07.These two fronts, it has the potential,

:58:08. > :58:10.fully followed through on, to be able to change the daily lives

:58:11. > :58:18.Both John Kerry and Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov admitted,

:58:19. > :58:21.repeatedly, this was only progress on paper and the real test would be

:58:22. > :58:25.getting Syria's warring factions to make the plan work on the ground.

:58:26. > :58:31.TRANSLATION: As it is written in today's documents, we will work

:58:32. > :58:38.together with the government, opposition groups, which are in

:58:39. > :58:44.contact with us, and we hope that the US and those with interests in

:58:45. > :58:48.the region and other participants in the support group will use their

:58:49. > :58:55.influence on the relevant opposition group, so that they call operated

:58:56. > :58:59.fully with the United Nations. We have a common determination to help

:59:00. > :59:01.alleviate suffering of the Syrian people and we hope this will be a

:59:02. > :59:03.shift. Some diplomats are already saying

:59:04. > :59:06.the ceasefire deal is 'not worth Our Chief International

:59:07. > :59:08.Correspondent Lyse Doucet The talks here in Munich

:59:09. > :59:12.have been described But both Sergei Lavrov,

:59:13. > :59:17.Russia's Foreign Minister, and US Secretary of State John Kerry

:59:18. > :59:20.clearly believe that progress First of all, a cessation

:59:21. > :59:28.of hostilities. This is not a ceasefire,

:59:29. > :59:31.this is not an end of conflict. But over the next week all sides

:59:32. > :59:34.are to make moves to try to agree the modalities of limiting

:59:35. > :59:38.the violence in some areas. That, of course, will not include

:59:39. > :59:42.the areas under the control of the so-called Islamic State

:59:43. > :59:45.or the Al-Qaeda linked Nusra front, two very important

:59:46. > :59:48.forces on the ground. And also, crucially,

:59:49. > :59:51.it won't include Russia's bombing of what it describes

:59:52. > :59:56.as terrorist targets, and what the West and Syria's

:59:57. > :59:58.opposition forces have said include the parties fighting

:59:59. > :00:00.against President Assad's forces. Secondly, what's said to be

:00:01. > :00:06.the immediate delivery of badly needed humanitarian aid

:00:07. > :00:08.to the besieged and hard to reach Le Rich t's get some

:00:09. > :00:15.analysis on this now, lecturer in international

:00:16. > :00:29.politics of the Middle East thank you for joining us. Even under

:00:30. > :00:32.this plan, Russian bombing would carry on against al-Nusra around

:00:33. > :00:40.Aleppo, as strikes would carry on against IS? Even if it was

:00:41. > :00:47.implemented, would it make any difference? I think the ceasefire

:00:48. > :00:52.reflects a deep of trend. -- deeper trend. There was a stalemate,

:00:53. > :00:57.especially due to the military stalemate. The Guitoune the most

:00:58. > :01:01.recent Russian -- but due to the most recent Russian intervention,

:01:02. > :01:08.the ceasefire document seems to favour Russia and the Assad

:01:09. > :01:14.Government in its attempt to suppress position. They are

:01:15. > :01:19.emphasising, Sergei Lavrov and John Kerry, that this is just a paper

:01:20. > :01:24.exercise and it has to be seen if it can be implemented on the ground.

:01:25. > :01:29.What do you think? I think it very much depends on two things, how weak

:01:30. > :01:33.militarily the opposition has become, if they will become too weak

:01:34. > :01:38.to fight they will lay down their arms temporarily. Secondly the

:01:39. > :01:46.degree to which the Assad regime and the Russians will continue their

:01:47. > :01:50.offensive, especially in Aleppo. The wording that attacks on so-called

:01:51. > :01:55.terrorist groups can continue leaves a very wide remit for military

:01:56. > :02:01.attacks to continue. It depends on how the Russians and the Assad

:02:02. > :02:05.Government interpret that clause. How do you read the diplomacy of

:02:06. > :02:10.what is going on, with Russia clearly allied with the regime, with

:02:11. > :02:16.that onslaught around Aleppo against al-Nusra, why do you think Russia

:02:17. > :02:19.has put this forward now? It seems this is a continuation trend going

:02:20. > :02:25.on for some time whereby Russia has been asserted health within the

:02:26. > :02:32.Syrian conflict as the main external player together, of course, with the

:02:33. > :02:36.Assad regime and Iran and Hezbollah. And the United States keeping a

:02:37. > :02:42.distance, with the exception of the bombing of Isis. This is a

:02:43. > :02:46.demonstration of the growing Russian influence in the conflict,

:02:47. > :02:52.militarily and diplomatically. Dr Amnon Aran, thank you. We are

:02:53. > :02:56.getting some breaking news from West Midlands Police, detectives hunting

:02:57. > :03:00.the killer of a businessman shot in the neck at his Birmingham soft

:03:01. > :03:09.drinks firm have arrested an 18-year-old man in Derby. West

:03:10. > :03:14.Midlands Police say they have arrested an 18-year-old man in

:03:15. > :03:16.Derby. We will bring you more on that as we get it.

:03:17. > :03:27.Customers are ready to sue after hundreds of tumble dryers caught

:03:28. > :03:32.fire in people's homes, but our manufacturers taking it seriously

:03:33. > :03:33.enough? Do get in touch if you have had any problems with your tumble

:03:34. > :03:34.dryer. Ministers are to force the UK's

:03:35. > :03:37.biggest employers to publish more information about the difference

:03:38. > :03:39.in pay between their male But employers are fiercely resisting

:03:40. > :03:46.the changes saying that it's too crude a measure, and won't take

:03:47. > :03:49.into account the many reasons why Latest figures show that women

:03:50. > :03:53.in the UK still earn on average 20% We are on strike, all of us,

:03:54. > :04:30.all of us machinists, anyway. It did used to make me feel

:04:31. > :04:32.very annoyed, really. I mean, I worked as hard as them

:04:33. > :04:36.and I've been working a long time. To think that they got more

:04:37. > :04:38.money than me, you know, Everybody who works in Asda,

:04:39. > :04:53.be it shop floor, canteen assistants, tills, I think

:04:54. > :04:56.we all deserve the same rate of pay. We all work hard,

:04:57. > :04:58.every single one of us. I can't see why we should be split

:04:59. > :05:02.up and given a certain rate of pay We are going to require companies

:05:03. > :05:36.under the regulations, companies with over 250 employees,

:05:37. > :05:39.to publish the gender pay gap We as a government will then compile

:05:40. > :05:46.those league tables. We don't think this policy

:05:47. > :05:49.is going to be the silver bullet that is going to close the gender

:05:50. > :06:04.pay gap in a generation. Sarah Churchman is Head of Diversity

:06:05. > :06:07.at PwC which has been publishing its gender

:06:08. > :06:09.pay for for two years. Jemima Olhawski is from

:06:10. > :06:11.the Fawcett Society which campaigns Ben Southwood is from

:06:12. > :06:22.the free-market think tank Thank you all for coming in. Jemima,

:06:23. > :06:28.will making companies publish figures make a difference? This is

:06:29. > :06:32.very important, we and other organisations have campaigned, it is

:06:33. > :06:35.important that the Government has listened. Once there is transparency

:06:36. > :06:40.and companies are forced to reflect on differences, that is the first

:06:41. > :06:45.step to taking chin. The TUC is right that it is not a silver

:06:46. > :06:48.bullet. We would like to see requirements around them is

:06:49. > :06:53.publishing an action plan once they have identified a large gender pay

:06:54. > :06:57.gap, and more done around companies who do not comply with the rules. At

:06:58. > :07:02.the moment there is no penalty for not playing all, which is not fair

:07:03. > :07:07.on the women who work for them and other companies who have done it

:07:08. > :07:13.fairly. Is there a difference between -- does this not go against

:07:14. > :07:18.the Equal Pay Act? It is illegal to pay two workers different for the

:07:19. > :07:24.same work. But this is not the only reason. 80% of care workers are

:07:25. > :07:30.women, that is one of the lowest paid jobs in the economy. Some of it

:07:31. > :07:34.is because people get pushed out of work because they can't conform to

:07:35. > :07:38.old-fashioned working models, they have unsympathetic employers who do

:07:39. > :07:43.not allow them to work flexibly, sometimes it is because women's

:07:44. > :07:48.talent is just not recognised by, often, their mail bosses, they do

:07:49. > :07:51.not get the same promotion or pay in crease opportunities. Lots of that

:07:52. > :07:55.is not illegal but it is damaging for those women and also the

:07:56. > :08:01.businesses, they are not getting the most out of their workforce. Sarah,

:08:02. > :08:07.your company has published its gender pay results for two years,

:08:08. > :08:10.what has it shown? We publish the pay gap occurs we believe

:08:11. > :08:17.transparency is important. We don't make products, our business is our

:08:18. > :08:23.people, they delivered this and are our greatest asset. We want to do

:08:24. > :08:25.right by them. We employed men, women, people from different

:08:26. > :08:29.backgrounds. We have equal opportunities and we pay them the

:08:30. > :08:34.same. We have done equal pay audits for the last ten years, what we have

:08:35. > :08:38.found is that sometimes the driver of the differences completely

:08:39. > :08:41.unintentional. In our organisation, one of the fundamental reasons for

:08:42. > :08:48.the difference and the gap is because we have more men in senior

:08:49. > :08:51.roles compared to women. We know that, and our strategy is about

:08:52. > :08:56.bringing women through two more senior roles. The important thing is

:08:57. > :09:01.that gender pay is just one data point, it does not tell the company

:09:02. > :09:04.'s story. We also publish information about our tomography,

:09:05. > :09:11.how many men and women in senior roles and, as Jemima says, what are

:09:12. > :09:18.we doing to bring in more women to reduce the gender pay gap at PwC. A

:09:19. > :09:23.company like PwC auditing and publishing has been ahead of the

:09:24. > :09:28.curve, what do you think about all police with more than 50 employees

:09:29. > :09:34.being forced to do it? I agree a lot with what they have both said so

:09:35. > :09:40.far. PwC's model seems a lot better than what the Government is forcing.

:09:41. > :09:44.As Sarah said, they have looked at details about why men and women are

:09:45. > :09:50.paid differently within the firm. I am not really somebody to say that

:09:51. > :09:54.more data will be bad, but the Government might mislead more than

:09:55. > :09:58.it helps. Looking at the mean and median, if men and women in the

:09:59. > :10:01.firms are doing different jobs you will get strange results. It will

:10:02. > :10:06.not show you whether the pay is fair, even whether the production

:10:07. > :10:12.side, just whether they employ different kinds of people. That is

:10:13. > :10:14.why I think the PwC approach, looking into more details of why

:10:15. > :10:20.people are paid differently, is important. One important thing in

:10:21. > :10:25.the regulations is that firms will be asked to publish the proportion

:10:26. > :10:32.of women in different income quartiles, of the top 25%, how many

:10:33. > :10:37.of those earners are women? Why not have to publish like-for-like? That

:10:38. > :10:42.is exactly what the Fawcett Society has said, it would be good if there

:10:43. > :10:48.was a full pay audit reflecting on who does what types of role, who is

:10:49. > :10:52.and is not getting promoted. People within an organisation can happen

:10:53. > :10:55.conscious bias is that mean they are not recognising the talented front

:10:56. > :11:04.of them. -- can have unconscious biases. Overall, it is better to

:11:05. > :11:10.take a big step forward to get firms in a mindset to reflect on it than

:11:11. > :11:15.just to wait for more people to follow the fantastic example of PwC.

:11:16. > :11:21.Sarah, your company has practised in this way for a long time, once it

:11:22. > :11:24.started and the figures were published, how did people within the

:11:25. > :11:31.company see it and did things change measurably? It was a big step

:11:32. > :11:35.forward. Most organisations think they will be hit with discrimination

:11:36. > :11:40.and equal pay claims. RX periods has only been positive, positive amongst

:11:41. > :11:46.the people and positive externally -- our experience has only been. We

:11:47. > :11:52.have been supporting other employers to be able to report. It has been

:11:53. > :11:58.very positive, it is just one data point. The commentary read the

:11:59. > :12:04.information is important, and being quite explicit about what you are

:12:05. > :12:08.doing to address and close the gap. We have published for two years. The

:12:09. > :12:12.gap when we published for the second time was slightly worse, that is

:12:13. > :12:18.because we were making improvements in winning more women through to

:12:19. > :12:22.senior roles, so as we promoted more women, they go into the next grade

:12:23. > :12:27.at the lower end of the pay banding, so the overall effect is widened the

:12:28. > :12:33.gap slightly. We need to publish more than one data point to give an

:12:34. > :12:38.holistic picture. It is really important that we recognise that we

:12:39. > :12:44.live in a deeply unequal society, it has been since business and time

:12:45. > :12:48.began. When firms reflect on it they will often find there are

:12:49. > :12:53.inequalities in the organisation. It is better to be open about that. I

:12:54. > :12:58.admit that you have not got it right and move on and address it. This

:12:59. > :13:02.admit that you have not got it right not an opportunity for organisations

:13:03. > :13:08.like Fawcett to criticise them if they are going to make a change. In

:13:09. > :13:14.the end, do you see the gender pay gap going completely? As we have

:13:15. > :13:18.been discussing, it is a different argument from paid quality. If women

:13:19. > :13:24.are choosing the particular jobs for whatever reason, working whatever

:13:25. > :13:31.type forward have a reason, motherhood is a big factor, that

:13:32. > :13:36.will not change? There is a lot we can do. Primarily women take time

:13:37. > :13:41.after work to look after a child, there are big incentives in the way

:13:42. > :13:45.that, for instance, maternity pay versus shared parental leave pay is

:13:46. > :13:50.stripped. In other European countries they have a dedicated

:13:51. > :13:55.leave period just for dads which is properly paid to reflect salaries,

:13:56. > :13:58.then more dads take it and get involved in the business of raising

:13:59. > :14:02.children at home, businesses are used at the fact that men as well as

:14:03. > :14:07.women might take time out of work. That begins to change the perception

:14:08. > :14:10.that women are a risk in an organisation. We can do more to make

:14:11. > :14:16.sure women are getting a chance to move to the very top. Only five FTSE

:14:17. > :14:20.100 chief executives are women. Clearly there are more than five

:14:21. > :14:24.fantastic women in senior positions at FTSE 100 companies, but something

:14:25. > :14:29.is not coming through. We could do more to speed that up. Fawcett says

:14:30. > :14:34.perhaps it is looking at time limited use of quotas to create that

:14:35. > :14:41.shift, so women can change the organisation more widely. How do you

:14:42. > :14:45.see that? In Norway, where quotas have been implemented, you see a

:14:46. > :14:50.rise to the level prescribed by the quotas in terms of more women on

:14:51. > :14:54.boards, but you do not see knock-on effects, there does not seem to be a

:14:55. > :14:59.cascade, we have realised women are good now, I think companies are

:15:00. > :15:04.quite eager to employ women at top level positions. If you look at the

:15:05. > :15:08.rate of women promoted to senior jobs relative to the rate of

:15:09. > :15:12.application, women are promoted at higher levels than men. Women are

:15:13. > :15:17.not putting themselves forward? They apply for top jobs less often than

:15:18. > :15:21.men do, that is one of the reasons they do not rise to those positions.

:15:22. > :15:29.Equally, women who never leave the workforce are more likely to be

:15:30. > :15:35.promoted to CEO than men are. It just so happens that more women

:15:36. > :15:38.leave the workforce at some time. That is not necessarily bad, there

:15:39. > :15:41.are lots of valuable things in life that are not necessarily work. But

:15:42. > :15:47.the gender wage gap is not as simple as it used to be. In the past it was

:15:48. > :15:50.people being before the same work, now men and women do substantially

:15:51. > :15:55.different jobs. The difference between Korea parts is wider in more

:15:56. > :16:00.Agulla Terry and add liberal countries around the world. --

:16:01. > :16:11.between Korea parts. It does seem that the gender pay gap a good

:16:12. > :16:14.indicator, countries like Italy, which are seen as being more

:16:15. > :16:20.discriminatory, having narrower gap than in the UK. At all points to the

:16:21. > :16:25.fact that this is just one measure of this problem. It is the measure

:16:26. > :16:26.that will be focused on? Could it lead to pay discrimination,

:16:27. > :16:38.inequality? I don't think this could lead to

:16:39. > :16:42.greater discrimination, I think more needs to be done. We know that the

:16:43. > :16:45.equality and human rights commission did research last year that found

:16:46. > :16:50.that every year 54,000 women had to leave their job early due to getting

:16:51. > :16:54.pregnant or having a baby. That discrimination still happens and

:16:55. > :16:57.affects women's lives. It is not about choice, it is about the way

:16:58. > :17:01.you are treated when something changes in your life. We have

:17:02. > :17:08.researched attitudes to inequality and people considered for these

:17:09. > :17:11.positions seem less likely to say that they believe that men and women

:17:12. > :17:15.should be equal. They are more likely to say that they think

:17:16. > :17:19.women's rights have gone too far. So there is a lot we need to do in the

:17:20. > :17:23.workplace. This helps get us in the space to do that if we worry about

:17:24. > :17:28.the longer term issues around whether we can ever close it, we can

:17:29. > :17:34.do much more, we can get much closer. Can I say one thing? I think

:17:35. > :17:38.the fact that this is being publicised is really good. If more

:17:39. > :17:41.women were really aware that they should talk about pay and ask

:17:42. > :17:47.questions about their pay relative to their male peers is a good thing.

:17:48. > :17:51.Thank you. One anonymous viewers says women should get equal pay for

:17:52. > :17:55.equal jobs, we have this same problem with age inequality, why are

:17:56. > :18:00.younger workers not entitled to the same wage as workers doing the same

:18:01. > :18:04.job who are older? More discrimination which shouldn't be

:18:05. > :18:09.allowed. Another viewers says that it has been illegal since 1972 have

:18:10. > :18:13.a gender pay gap so why are other companies not find and white not

:18:14. > :18:23.target all companies instead of only companies with over 250 staff, are

:18:24. > :18:30.smaller, these are irrelevant? We talk to one woman about emotional

:18:31. > :18:35.abuse. And tumble dryers have caught fire in hundreds of people's homes,

:18:36. > :18:36.customers say they are ready to sue but manufactures taking the problem

:18:37. > :18:40.seriously? The US and Russia have agreed

:18:41. > :18:45.to a pause in hostilities in Syria that could take effect in a week -

:18:46. > :18:55.but they're not calling The deal does not include a halt to

:18:56. > :19:00.the bombing of terror groups like Islamic State but there is agreement

:19:01. > :19:02.on humanitarian aid. The main Syrian opposition delegation says it could

:19:03. > :19:12.lead back to peace talks. We welcome the effort our friends

:19:13. > :19:17.are making to relieve the Syrian people and it must be for all

:19:18. > :19:22.Syrians. We must see action on the ground. If we see action limitation

:19:23. > :19:25.we will see very soon in Geneva. The partner of the former EastEnders

:19:26. > :19:28.actress, Syan Blake, has been arrested at

:19:29. > :19:29.Heathrow Airport, on suspicion of murdering her

:19:30. > :19:41.and her two children. Arthur Simpson-Kent was detained

:19:42. > :19:43.at Heathrow airport this morning The bodies of Syan Blake

:19:44. > :19:48.and her sons were were found in the garden of their

:19:49. > :19:50.London home in December. Some leading NHS chief executives

:19:51. > :19:52.seem to be distancing themselves from the decision to impose

:19:53. > :19:55.a new contract on junior doctors in England - even though

:19:56. > :19:57.they think it's a fair deal. The Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt has

:19:58. > :20:00.defended the imposition, saying stability in

:20:01. > :20:01.the NHS was needed. Firms with more than 250 employees

:20:02. > :20:04.will have to publish any disparity in the salaries of their male

:20:05. > :20:07.and female staff as part of efforts There'll be new league tables

:20:08. > :20:12.to name and shame companies who fail Asian stockmarkets fell again,

:20:13. > :20:16.after big falls in Europe yesterday because of fears about

:20:17. > :20:18.the strength of banks. Yesterday, the index of Britain's

:20:19. > :20:21.top companies fell to a three But shares across Europe were up

:20:22. > :20:24.this morning after an overnight More evidence of how generation

:20:25. > :20:29.rent is losing out - new figures show that first-time

:20:30. > :20:34.buyers in England who buy a house this year will already have spent

:20:35. > :20:42.an average of nearly That's according to research

:20:43. > :20:45.for a landlords' trade body. The figure is set to hit over sixty

:20:46. > :20:53.four thousand pounds for those Kenya has listed at line to prove to

:20:54. > :20:57.the World Anti-Doping Agency that it is tackling cheating in athletics.

:20:58. > :21:00.It will be put on a watchlist of nations at risk of breaching

:21:01. > :21:07.international codes. It now has two months to bring in new legislation

:21:08. > :21:12.and funding. This programme has been told that the authorities in Kenya

:21:13. > :21:17.have no excuse for failing to meet the deadline. This is one of the

:21:18. > :21:24.great examples of how the power of sport, as they say, to change lives,

:21:25. > :21:28.actually is working negatively, because people can see sport as a

:21:29. > :21:35.route to be able to bring money to their region, it is a way to get

:21:36. > :21:41.immediate success, so they are looking to doping as the route to

:21:42. > :21:51.take them there. Let's catch up with all the sports news.

:21:52. > :22:02.One Saracens forward has the chance to make his England debut, he is on

:22:03. > :22:06.the bench for the game against Rome. There are three changes to the

:22:07. > :22:10.line-up, Mako Vunipola, Courtney Lawes and Ben Youngs are all in the

:22:11. > :22:14.side. Kenyan athletes could be banned from the Summer Olympics in

:22:15. > :22:18.Rio after missing a deadline to prove Kenya is tackling doping in

:22:19. > :22:21.athletics. They are now on a watchlist of the World Anti-Doping

:22:22. > :22:24.Agency. England footballer Adam Johnson has been sacked by

:22:25. > :22:32.Sunderland after pleading guilty to one count of sexual activity with a

:22:33. > :22:35.child and one charge of grooming. His trial at Bradford Crown Court

:22:36. > :22:38.starts today. Salford city Devils's owner said he didn't want the game

:22:39. > :22:44.to finish as they beat St Helens the first time in 60 years and in doing

:22:45. > :22:47.so scored eight tries! More sport on BBC news throughout the day.

:22:48. > :22:53.Over a third of young women have experienced a controlling

:22:54. > :22:56.relationship and one in 20 believe that it is normal to be afraid

:22:57. > :22:59.of your partner, according to a poll commissioned by the charity Women's

:23:00. > :23:03.Coercive control - otherwise known as emotional abuse -

:23:04. > :23:06.has recently been made illegal, an offence punishable by up to five

:23:07. > :23:13.However, psychologically controlling relationships are often harder

:23:14. > :23:18.to identify than physical abuse by a partner.

:23:19. > :23:21.We can now talk to Polly Neate, CEO of Women's Aid, Harry Fletcher

:23:22. > :23:24.who campaigned for coercive behaviour to be made illegal

:23:25. > :23:26.in the UK, and Chlo, 18, who's been the victim

:23:27. > :23:41.Thank you for joining us. Polly, you are saying that a lot of women in

:23:42. > :23:47.the UK have experienced a causative relationship. How do you define

:23:48. > :23:51.that? What we are talking about is the repeated pattern of behaviour

:23:52. > :23:55.that gradually, often gradually, controls the woman's everyday life.

:23:56. > :24:00.It is about telling you where you can go, who you can see, cutting you

:24:01. > :24:04.off from your friends and family and people who might provide you with

:24:05. > :24:09.support or a way out of the relationship. Tracking online,

:24:10. > :24:15.monitoring phone calls, wanting to nowhere you are every minute of the

:24:16. > :24:19.day. -- wanting to nowhere you are. Behaviour in a way that limits the

:24:20. > :24:26.freedom of the victim. And gradually eats away at her self esteem. It's a

:24:27. > :24:31.very damaging form of abuse. When you say that more than one third of

:24:32. > :24:34.young women have experienced a controlling relationship, have one

:24:35. > :24:41.third of women experienced that level of caution? More than one

:24:42. > :24:43.third of women say they have experienced control in a

:24:44. > :24:50.relationship where they believe it is a problem. Where does the line

:24:51. > :24:56.get drawn between someone being controlling and someone being

:24:57. > :25:01.coercive? Is there a distinction. The law draws a line. What we are

:25:02. > :25:08.saying today, and we are launching this website, Love don't feel bad,

:25:09. > :25:11.saying it is important to spot the signs of a controlling relationship

:25:12. > :25:16.and to understand what is and what is not healthy. Whether it falls

:25:17. > :25:21.within a definition of a criminal offence or not. For it to be a crime

:25:22. > :25:26.and has to be repeated and deliberate. And a serious impact on

:25:27. > :25:32.the life of the victim has to be proved. Particularly for young girls

:25:33. > :25:37.and young women who are specifically vulnerable to this. We want them to

:25:38. > :25:41.be empowered to understand that control is not romantic. Keeping a

:25:42. > :25:47.jealous watch over your partner because you love them so much, love

:25:48. > :25:56.should not feel bad. That is why we launching campaign today. Polly

:25:57. > :26:00.Chlo, your ex-boyfriend has been convicted of causing behaviour

:26:01. > :26:07.towards you, what was the relationship like? It started off in

:26:08. > :26:11.tense and romantic and got to a point where it was very many

:26:12. > :26:17.political and controlling. He had a lot of control over what I would do.

:26:18. > :26:24.He was always calling me names. Trying to make me feel bad, put me

:26:25. > :26:39.down. He really sort of took over my whole life, controlling me. You say

:26:40. > :26:46.that initially it was Chlo and romantic, was it obvious when it

:26:47. > :26:50.changed laws and gradual? It was gradual. We broke up when I went

:26:51. > :27:00.into hospital, because we had not even met at that point. It was an

:27:01. > :27:04.online relationship? We met face to face later, and then he said I had

:27:05. > :27:08.changed into a bad person, he could not love me like before, he could

:27:09. > :27:12.not understand why any of my friends liked me, blaming me for him hurting

:27:13. > :27:18.himself and self harming and wanting to kill himself. He was doing what

:27:19. > :27:22.many perpetrators do in this kind of relationship, they pick on something

:27:23. > :27:26.that they know makes you vulnerable. He knew that was a way to make me

:27:27. > :27:31.feel bad, that I would feel guilty about breaking up with him and he

:27:32. > :27:38.used that to get under my skin, ruin myself esteem. And once they start

:27:39. > :27:41.doing that, and I was vulnerable, I could not recognise what he was

:27:42. > :27:46.doing and I did not see it as abusive and I felt responsible. Did

:27:47. > :27:53.your friends and family know what was going on? My mum knew a little

:27:54. > :27:58.about and but it was difficult for her to stop the relationship.

:27:59. > :28:05.Because they saw it all were you talking to them? Both, really. I

:28:06. > :28:08.showed her messages he had sent me and I talked to her because I was so

:28:09. > :28:16.frightened that he was going to hurt me. I was under his spell. I did not

:28:17. > :28:21.want to leave him. I did not feel that I could because he was always

:28:22. > :28:24.going to find a way to get back in touch. Creating new accounts,

:28:25. > :28:29.calling me repeatedly, that sort of thing. Also I was quite isolated

:28:30. > :28:34.from any of my friends so he could get quite jealous if I sought anyone

:28:35. > :28:40.else or sent messages to somebody he didn't like. So I didn't really talk

:28:41. > :28:46.to any of my friends about it. You stayed out of fear and not love. I

:28:47. > :28:49.felt I was in love with him, that is often the case with young people

:28:50. > :28:55.because it is your first relationship, you do not know what

:28:56. > :29:00.love should look like, so this campaign is brilliant, from Women's

:29:01. > :29:05.Aid, because people need educating about what a loving healthy

:29:06. > :29:08.relationship looks like. There's quite a fine line between that sort

:29:09. > :29:14.of fear and loving someone especially in that kind of

:29:15. > :29:18.controlling relationship. Harry, you helped create the law banning

:29:19. > :29:27.coercive relationships. Where is the gap? It only came into effect in

:29:28. > :29:30.December. Chlo has described it magnificently and bravely, what

:29:31. > :29:34.happened to her. It goes back to when I was working with the

:29:35. > :29:38.probation service, the police only seemed to act if there was physical

:29:39. > :29:43.violence. They did not recognise psychological control like the type

:29:44. > :29:47.that has just been described, they did not recognise that it was

:29:48. > :29:51.totally unacceptable. The probation service works with both the

:29:52. > :29:57.perpetrators and victims. The staff were increasingly saying to me, this

:29:58. > :30:00.is not acceptable. A woman will experience 30 incidents before she

:30:01. > :30:07.reported to the police. Last year there were 350,000 incidents

:30:08. > :30:11.reported to the police. Only 6% or 7% resulted in a conviction so

:30:12. > :30:16.something is clearly wrong. After months of looking at the issues and

:30:17. > :30:19.looking at what was going on in the United States, they concluded that

:30:20. > :30:23.they needed to be a fresh offence of psychological abuse and they started

:30:24. > :30:27.working with MPs of all parties to change the law. The law was changed

:30:28. > :30:31.in a remarkably short period of time because I think that politicians

:30:32. > :30:35.from all areas of the spectrum recognised that something was wrong.

:30:36. > :30:40.It was not acceptable. The law was passed, I think it was in April 20

:30:41. > :30:48.15. Just before the general election. And it came into effect at

:30:49. > :30:51.the end of December. We asked ministers not to implement it

:30:52. > :31:06.straightaway because the police and prosecutors needed training.

:31:07. > :31:13.Do you know if any prosecutions are being brought? There are two

:31:14. > :31:18.pending. We have found in our survey that a lot of young women do not

:31:19. > :31:23.understand coercive control. It has not been an offence for very long.

:31:24. > :31:27.We had to take this possibility for spreading the word and making sure

:31:28. > :31:30.that society is sending a large message by this law that this is not

:31:31. > :31:35.acceptable and we will not put up with this. We need to empower people

:31:36. > :31:41.will to recognise coercive control and know that it is not acceptable.

:31:42. > :31:47.People have been getting into edge, Dave says it seems to focus on

:31:48. > :31:52.women, it probably happens mostly to women but it happens to men, it

:31:53. > :31:56.happened to me. Here's right, the majority of victims are women but

:31:57. > :32:03.men can also be big and is. Like any law, the law applies to everybody

:32:04. > :32:09.regardless of gender. With men it is more likely to be reputational

:32:10. > :32:13.damage rather than to self-esteem? And the physical violence and

:32:14. > :32:21.retribution for Breaking Bad control is less likely with men. But, again,

:32:22. > :32:26.they can be victims -- for breaking that control. Chlo described really

:32:27. > :32:29.articulately how she went into a situation that went from something

:32:30. > :32:36.romantic and intends to something that is clearly damaging her and

:32:37. > :32:41.unacceptable. No relationship would start out as abusive or people would

:32:42. > :32:45.not get into them. What advice would you give to people? You are saying

:32:46. > :32:52.that love does not feel bad, what are the red flags at the start of a

:32:53. > :32:58.relationship? I think part of the problem is that in popular culture,

:32:59. > :33:04.not only now but for generations we have remarked to sidestep some of

:33:05. > :33:12.this obsessively jealous or verging on controlling behaviour. It can be

:33:13. > :33:15.very difficult to recognise. I think it's somebody is cutting you off

:33:16. > :33:21.from people who are really important to you, for example, the knitting

:33:22. > :33:24.your freedom to see, confide in and have a relationship with friends and

:33:25. > :33:28.family that really matter to you, that is not a loving thing for them

:33:29. > :33:36.to be doing -- limiting your freedom. If somebody... They should

:33:37. > :33:41.not need to store and monitor your movements, text messages and e-mails

:33:42. > :33:47.to trust you. Trust means not having to monitor a person to believe them.

:33:48. > :33:52.Those sorts of things, on their own they may not be a criminal offence,

:33:53. > :33:58.we are trying to say that it is really ported to recognise as early

:33:59. > :34:01.as possible the signs of a coercive and controlling relationship. I

:34:02. > :34:10.would say anybody worried about this should look at the website, it has

:34:11. > :34:17.young people talking about their experience of control in a way that

:34:18. > :34:21.young people will be able to understand. It is at

:34:22. > :34:26.lovedon'tfeelbad.co.uk. It will help people understand the law and that

:34:27. > :34:30.everybody has the right to freedom and happiness in a relationship.

:34:31. > :34:34.It's somebody deprives you of that, that is not a loving relationship.

:34:35. > :34:41.What would you say to your younger self, Chlo? It is about recognising

:34:42. > :34:45.the early warning signs, knowing that this is not a loving

:34:46. > :34:49.relationship, it is not OK, and even if it feels like it does, they can

:34:50. > :34:53.feel like they do because they can flip back to being nice, but of

:34:54. > :34:57.something like that is happening to you, it is not your fault, however

:34:58. > :35:04.much they twisted to make it feel like it is. It is not your fault. If

:35:05. > :35:11.you can speak to someone and try to get help, you will be believed and

:35:12. > :35:16.there will be help out there. Relationships can be a lot better

:35:17. > :35:23.than that. For you, you have come through a relationship like that,

:35:24. > :35:26.what is the impact, have you managed to shed its or is it still a part of

:35:27. > :35:33.you and the way you feel about yourself? It will definitely stay

:35:34. > :35:38.with me, and does stay with me. It went on for three years. For some

:35:39. > :35:41.people it is longer. As a teenager you are quite vulnerable to that

:35:42. > :35:49.sort of thing and it has a big impact on your self-esteem and

:35:50. > :35:52.stuff. But, I think, being able to speak out, raise awareness and try

:35:53. > :35:59.to help other young people recognise the warning signs, making people

:36:00. > :36:06.realise it is not their fault, that has really helped me. Thank you very

:36:07. > :36:11.much, Chlo, Polly and Harry. Another text, emotional abuse is as bad as

:36:12. > :36:12.physical abuse, it destroys your self-worth and is easily mistaken

:36:13. > :36:15.for love. The Retail Ombudsman is calling

:36:16. > :36:18.for an urgent change to the law on product recall, after a spate

:36:19. > :36:20.of potentially deadly It comes as new figures reveal

:36:21. > :36:24.firefighters attend almost one blaze a day caused by the

:36:25. > :36:26.appliances catching fire. Thousands of owners are waiting

:36:27. > :36:28.repairs to be carried out following a major product alert

:36:29. > :36:30.by Whirlpool in November on five million of its Hotpoint,

:36:31. > :36:33.Indesit and Creda brands sold However, it has not

:36:34. > :36:40.issued a product recall. Whirlpool says it's carrying out

:36:41. > :36:45.3,500 repairs everyday. Any incident relating to fire,

:36:46. > :36:49.we take incredibly seriously. What we know is that in the 11 years

:36:50. > :36:55.over which these tumble dryers have been produced, there

:36:56. > :36:59.have been 750 fires. So that's out of a potential

:37:00. > :37:04.5.3 million machines. And what we also know is that,

:37:05. > :37:07.as a result of the 750 fires, there have been three injury

:37:08. > :37:09.incidents, two of which related to smoke inhalation,

:37:10. > :37:29.and the third one was a burn. The retail ombudsman says the speed

:37:30. > :37:33.at which appliances are being repaired as too slow and

:37:34. > :37:38.manufacturers need to do more. The problems with these Whirlpool

:37:39. > :37:41.appliances is not consumer led, it is not because of misuse, it is

:37:42. > :37:47.because of inherent faults with the machine so, yes, people have to be

:37:48. > :37:50.responsible with electrical appliances, we know they can be

:37:51. > :37:55.prone to fire, that the manufacturers had to get it right.

:37:56. > :37:58.And when they don't, they have to very quickly get out to the public,

:37:59. > :37:59.tell them of the problem and deal with it.

:38:00. > :38:02.With me are Martyn Allen, who is from the charity

:38:03. > :38:06.We can also speak to mum of two Lorraine Ward who lost everyone

:38:07. > :38:09.in house fire three years ago caused by a faulty Beko tumble dryer,

:38:10. > :38:12.and Steve Emmerson in Newcastle who has a faulty hotpoint tumble

:38:13. > :38:20.dryer and has been waiting since November for it to be fixed.

:38:21. > :38:27.Thank you all for joining us. Lorraine, first of all, absolutely

:38:28. > :38:35.devastating, of course. What happened? It was early Sunday

:38:36. > :38:40.morning in January 2013, my husband had got up to take turns with our

:38:41. > :38:45.six-week-old daughter and he had that the tumble dryer on at around

:38:46. > :38:49.8am. Went into the living room to play with the children and sort the

:38:50. > :38:55.baby out and within ten minutes the electric went off. Not unusual, it

:38:56. > :38:59.was a very snowy walk -- morning so we did not think anything of it.

:39:00. > :39:03.Within a few minutes you could smell burning. He went into the kitchen,

:39:04. > :39:10.open the door and that is when smoke was billowing out, you could see two

:39:11. > :39:16.foot flames literally flying out of the tumble dryer. To clarify, you

:39:17. > :39:21.lost everything, not everyone, luckily you all got out OK. How do

:39:22. > :39:26.you feel now about the fact that there are lots of stories about

:39:27. > :39:30.tumble dryer issues? It is really frightening to think that anybody

:39:31. > :39:34.could go through that. It is just not something you expect when you

:39:35. > :39:41.buy these new products, you think your world could literally change

:39:42. > :39:45.within a matter of minutes. Martin, you are in touch with people who are

:39:46. > :39:50.affected, tell us what your experiences have been and the

:39:51. > :39:54.stories you are hearing? Many people have contacted us, since November we

:39:55. > :39:57.have had around 90,000 people contacting ourselves and visiting

:39:58. > :40:03.the website whether there appliances have a week or -- have a recall.

:40:04. > :40:07.People who are concerned, they have read about it in the media, friends

:40:08. > :40:11.have told them so they have contacted the website to see if any

:40:12. > :40:16.of their products have been recalled. Many customers have these

:40:17. > :40:22.appliances and are still unaware. Steve, you are waiting for repairs,

:40:23. > :40:28.you have been since November. Have you been unable to use your tumble

:40:29. > :40:37.dryer all that time? Mine is in desert, not Hotpoint. I wrote Pate

:40:38. > :40:40.-- I reported it in the beginning of November two Indesit to check

:40:41. > :40:44.whether it was affected. I got an e-mail shortly afterwards saying it

:40:45. > :40:49.would be modified by the end of January, now it is February and

:40:50. > :40:53.nobody has been in touch about repair or replacing it. So you said

:40:54. > :41:00.you reported it to them, they did not get into a Jew? I had to

:41:01. > :41:07.reported to them. -- they did not get in touch with you? I reported it

:41:08. > :41:12.to them to sort out this modification. If people are

:41:13. > :41:19.reluctantly having to check out their machines, it relies on them

:41:20. > :41:24.doing it? Manufacturers simply do not know where their product. Often

:41:25. > :41:29.appliances come with the registration card, many of the

:41:30. > :41:32.questions are often to do with extended warranty, not safety, it

:41:33. > :41:38.might just be marketing information related, so people, like myself am a

:41:39. > :41:41.do not fill them in. We would call for the card to be simplified to

:41:42. > :41:48.make it clear you are registering for safety purposes and marketing

:41:49. > :41:53.should be separate. What is the issue, is it the same technical

:41:54. > :41:57.fault applying to tumble dryers, whichever company? With the tumble

:41:58. > :42:04.drier case from the Hotpoint style of things, it has been the design

:42:05. > :42:11.flaw from 2004 to 2015, why did it take so long to highlight this

:42:12. > :42:15.problem? They need sort the design out -- needed to sort the design out

:42:16. > :42:19.much earlier. All electrical appliances carry some degree of

:42:20. > :42:24.risk, they are predominantly safe but occasionally things go wrong. It

:42:25. > :42:29.is a two manufacturers to react quickly, but the consequences are

:42:30. > :42:34.seriously. Lorraine, was there any indication of any concern with the

:42:35. > :42:38.tumble dryer before the fire? Not at all, I used to tell everybody how

:42:39. > :42:44.much I loved it, it was all singing and dancing, when it's finished it

:42:45. > :42:51.would keep the cycle going every now and again so things did not crease,

:42:52. > :42:57.I loved it. Do you know what the issue was? A faulty heating

:42:58. > :43:04.capacitor that had got too hot. Thank you all, Martin, Lorraine and

:43:05. > :43:08.Steve. We have had a statement from Whirlpool who say that the safety of

:43:09. > :43:12.customers is their number one priority and consumers can continue

:43:13. > :43:17.using their dryers until the modification has been made. If a

:43:18. > :43:22.consumer registers today we will he in contact within ten weeks to

:43:23. > :43:25.provide an estimated date for an engineer to visit. We have

:43:26. > :43:33.experienced some delays in reply and given the large amount of dryers

:43:34. > :43:38.affected, we apologise. You would advise everyone to check out online

:43:39. > :43:41.whether there might be an issue with their model? Any appliances, people

:43:42. > :43:46.can check whether any appliances have been subject to a recall. This

:43:47. > :43:49.case in particular, we have encourage people to not use their

:43:50. > :43:56.appliance egos of the cases we have seen. Thank you. Thank you for your

:43:57. > :44:02.company today. Have a lovely weekend. See you soon.

:44:03. > :44:08.Join us on a high-flying, sponge-diving, olive-picking,