15/02/2016

:00:08. > :00:09.Hello it's Monday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:14.Is football's world governing body Fifa beyond saving?

:00:15. > :00:16.It's been mired in scandal after scandal and allegations

:00:17. > :00:24.This really is the World Cup of fraud, and today we are issuing

:00:25. > :00:31.Elections take place next week to find a new President to succeed

:00:32. > :00:34.Sepp Blatter after he was banned him for eight years

:00:35. > :00:40.Mr Blatter's leadership style was to let people who were loyal

:00:41. > :00:45.and supportive, you know, near the trough.

:00:46. > :00:48.They were able to reap the rewards, and not to push the analogy too far,

:00:49. > :00:55.but that is pretty Mafiosi in strategy.

:00:56. > :00:58.Our line-up of guests including former international,

:00:59. > :01:01.David Ginola and chair of the FA, Greg Dyke,

:01:02. > :01:06.tell us whether they think Fifa can ever regain credibility and trust.

:01:07. > :01:10.Do get in touch with your views throughout the morning.

:01:11. > :01:14.Coming up later - claims the NHS is failing many mental health

:01:15. > :01:16.patients in England to such an extent that "lives

:01:17. > :01:32.We'll get reaction from people receiving psychiatric care.

:01:33. > :01:36.This morning, we're going to spend the next hour or so debating one

:01:37. > :01:39.of the biggest, richest and most important sporting bodies

:01:40. > :01:43.It was founded in 1904 and is effectively in charge

:01:44. > :01:46.of world football and in particular the World Cup.

:01:47. > :01:50.Their motto is "for the game, for the world".

:01:51. > :01:53.But following allegation after allegation of bribery,

:01:54. > :01:55.corruption or just simply a five-star, all expenses paid

:01:56. > :01:59.luxurious lifestyle for its top bosses -

:02:00. > :02:02.you'd be forgiven for thinking their objective was more

:02:03. > :02:05.about lining their own pockets - for some of them at least.

:02:06. > :02:08.So today we wanted to dedicate a chunk of the programme to asking

:02:09. > :02:11.what the future of Fifa is, if it's fit for purpose and if any

:02:12. > :02:14.football supporter will ever trust it again after so many scandals

:02:15. > :02:17.As always your contributions are very welcome,

:02:18. > :02:23.Elections take place on February 26th to find a new man,

:02:24. > :02:26.and it will be a man, to become the new President of Fifa,

:02:27. > :02:32.attracting a reported salary of around ?6 million.

:02:33. > :02:36.We were due to host a debate today with five candidates who want to be

:02:37. > :02:38.Sepp Blatter's successor, but we cancelled it after some

:02:39. > :02:41.of them tried to move the goalposts and issue demands

:02:42. > :02:45.about what we could and couldn't ask them.

:02:46. > :02:52.That has definitely not happened with the guests who are here today.

:02:53. > :03:02.David Ginola, who played for France and Spurs. He campaigned to host the

:03:03. > :03:10.World Cup in 2018 and attempted to run the Fifa president. Also, a

:03:11. > :03:13.former England goalkeeper who retired last year and played for

:03:14. > :03:19.Liverpool ladies and Everton ladies. Greg Dyke is the chairman of

:03:20. > :03:28.England's FA. We have the head of Sierra Leone's FA and has been a

:03:29. > :03:36.supporter of Sep Blatter. Damian Collins, a Conservative MP, founding

:03:37. > :03:42.member of the campaign group, New Fifa Now, calling for reforms. Also

:03:43. > :03:50.we have two supporters who say they feel massively let down by Fifa. We

:03:51. > :03:55.have a sport's writer with a Daily Telegraph and Richard Conway, our

:03:56. > :04:03.very own sports correspondent. This is the last five years of Fifa

:04:04. > :04:10.history condensed into five minutes. The vote for the Fifa World Cup is

:04:11. > :04:16.Qatar. In 2010, Russia and Qatar staged the rights to secure the 2018

:04:17. > :04:22.and 2022 World Cup 's. The recriminations and scandal the Fifa

:04:23. > :04:27.since then has been relentless. 11 of the men who made those decisions

:04:28. > :04:31.have been fined, banned, suspended or are under investigation for some

:04:32. > :04:37.way for a variety of different reasons. That has led many to

:04:38. > :04:43.question the integrity of the vote for the kata and Russia World Cups.

:04:44. > :04:47.2018 Fifa World Cup will be organised in Russia. Both countries

:04:48. > :04:53.deny any wrongdoing and said they always acted within the rules. But

:04:54. > :05:01.Fifa's troubles were only just getting started. Our top News story

:05:02. > :05:03.reports six officials from Fifa, including the vice president have

:05:04. > :05:08.been arrested at a hotel in Switzerland. In the last hour news

:05:09. > :05:15.has emerged from the police about raids in S. Last year, was acute as

:05:16. > :05:21.led to a series of raids that led to the arrest of individuals. Those

:05:22. > :05:26.arrested included high-ranking Fifa officials, including one of its vice

:05:27. > :05:32.presidents, Geoffrey Webb. The scale and audacity of the alleged fraud is

:05:33. > :05:37.staggering. The 47 count indictment includes charges of racketeering,

:05:38. > :05:41.wire fraud and money-laundering conspiracy spanning two decades.

:05:42. > :05:51.This really is the World Cup of fraud and today we are issuing Fifa

:05:52. > :05:57.a red card. Jack Warner is accused of asking and receiving $10 million

:05:58. > :06:02.from South Africa. They both deny the allegation. A BBC investigation

:06:03. > :06:07.last month shows how he is supposed to have moved the cash around his

:06:08. > :06:16.business empire in support of South Africa's bid. The US authorities are

:06:17. > :06:19.continuing their investigations. There are accusations $750,000

:06:20. > :06:25.intended to help survivors of an earthquake in Haiti was siphoned off

:06:26. > :06:34.white officials. Geoffrey Webb, seen as Sep Blatter's Sepp is thought to

:06:35. > :06:40.have received a swimming Poole as a bribe. The Attorney General said it

:06:41. > :06:45.is far from over. Two people remaining in the shadows hoping to

:06:46. > :06:48.evade this ongoing investigation, you will not wait us out and you

:06:49. > :06:54.will not escape of focus. A Swiss investigation into how the Qatar and

:06:55. > :07:00.Russia World Cups were awarded is underway. But enquiry has widened.

:07:01. > :07:04.They denounced Sep Blatter was under criminal investigation involving a

:07:05. > :07:12.World Cup contract involving Jack Warner. The TV rights to the 2010

:07:13. > :07:20.and 2014 World Cup 's or bought the $600,000. Jack Warner's company sold

:07:21. > :07:27.them on for $18 million. Sep Blatter is also under investigation for

:07:28. > :07:33.payment of ?1.3 million to the then head of European football, Michel

:07:34. > :07:39.Platini. Money has always been the Achilles heel for Fifa. There have

:07:40. > :07:44.been previous scandals but the sheer size and scale of football and the

:07:45. > :07:48.money it attracts, has led many officials to be tempted into

:07:49. > :07:52.wrongdoing. The World Cup is everything to Fifa, it is how it

:07:53. > :07:57.makes most of its cash. It is the most lucrative sporting event in the

:07:58. > :08:02.world, eclipsing even the Olympics. The 2014 qualifying rounds and final

:08:03. > :08:09.tournament brought in 4.8 billion dollars over four years and Fifa

:08:10. > :08:15.made a profit of over 2.5 billion dollars. It added to Fifa's overall

:08:16. > :08:20.profits and reserves of over 1.5 billion dollars. But the money is

:08:21. > :08:27.starting to dwindle. This investigation is costing them and

:08:28. > :08:31.many sponsors have not renewed their contracts. Fifa gives up cash to

:08:32. > :08:37.countries around the world to help develop the game. There are six

:08:38. > :08:41.global confederations. Each one looks after the football

:08:42. > :08:45.associations in its continent. In total there are 209 across the

:08:46. > :08:50.world. During the four-year period of the last World Cup, each

:08:51. > :08:54.confederation received $17.5 million. Bondage National

:08:55. > :08:58.Association received $2 million. It doesn't matter what size the

:08:59. > :09:02.National Association is. Germany, who have won the World Cup four

:09:03. > :09:07.times and have a population of over 80 million, receive the same amount

:09:08. > :09:14.as tiny links to and Steyn, who have never made it to the World Cup and

:09:15. > :09:20.his population is a mere 30,000. By now, Fifa is at a crossroads. There

:09:21. > :09:23.is a new President-elect and he will face the threat of further

:09:24. > :09:32.investigation and the rest. There is two controversial World Cups to

:09:33. > :09:38.organise and a reform agenda. The story and Fifa's troubles is far

:09:39. > :09:40.from over. Your contributions to this are welcome, get in touch in

:09:41. > :09:46.the usual ways. Let's talk about the recent Fifa

:09:47. > :09:53.pass before looking ahead to see if Fifa can change. Presidents of

:09:54. > :10:00.Sierra Leone's Football Association, knowing what you know now, do you

:10:01. > :10:05.support Sep Blatter? Good morning. It is incredible, whenever I get

:10:06. > :10:13.introduced, especially on the BBC, it is as a supporter of Sep Blatter.

:10:14. > :10:18.Is that not true? Indeed, I did support him at the time. I am a

:10:19. > :10:24.newcomer to this business. At that time, of course Sep Blatter, what I

:10:25. > :10:30.knew of him and how he embraced our FA and tried to raise it from the

:10:31. > :10:37.ashes, and we are still trying to do that, he was the man to vote for. I

:10:38. > :10:45.was not privy to these allegations or even rumours that are going on.

:10:46. > :10:54.And now rush to mark I was just about to say to you, I remember

:10:55. > :10:59.saying they were simply allegations and I wasn't prepared to comment on

:11:00. > :11:03.allegations. But now the allegations seem to have some substance, then

:11:04. > :11:08.obviously he has got to go down and his credibility has been lost.

:11:09. > :11:13.Although he denies them and is appealing tomorrow to Fifa against

:11:14. > :11:18.his eight-year ban. Did Sep Blatter ever try to bribe you or your

:11:19. > :11:25.Association directly or indirectly? Like I said, I am new, I am two and

:11:26. > :11:31.a half years old so with all of this Qatar, Brazil, South Africa, I

:11:32. > :11:35.wasn't... I owned a Premier League football club and I was just running

:11:36. > :11:41.my football club. But in the last couple of years? All of these

:11:42. > :11:45.incidents, I wasn't really too, I wasn't in the FA. Whether he did

:11:46. > :11:51.that with my former FA president, I am not aware of that. They claim to

:11:52. > :11:55.have no knowledge of that. David Ginola, what shocked you most in

:11:56. > :12:04.terms of the allegations over the last year or so? Nothing, really.

:12:05. > :12:10.You are serious? It didn't come as a surprise to me. Somehow I knew that

:12:11. > :12:18.something was going on. How did you know that? Because so many things, I

:12:19. > :12:24.work in different things, I was obviously playing football, but I

:12:25. > :12:30.could see Fifa was not making the right decisions. Every time we were

:12:31. > :12:37.talking about Fifa, I was looking towards something suspicious. When

:12:38. > :12:43.you have two hide things behind closed doors, it is because you have

:12:44. > :12:46.something to hide. I work with the FA when we tried to promote, if you

:12:47. > :12:54.have to promote English football around the world, Mr Greg Dyke, nose

:12:55. > :12:59.everywhere you go in the world know when you talk about English football

:13:00. > :13:05.is probably something amazing. This is when you wear the ambassador for

:13:06. > :13:10.wanting to host the 2018 World Cup? Yes, it was interesting to travel

:13:11. > :13:15.around the world and see it was actually other issues than just

:13:16. > :13:20.making the promotion of English football and the transportation and

:13:21. > :13:28.why England should host the World Cup in 2018. Other issues? Like

:13:29. > :13:37.what? For those people, it was other issues. Like what? I will not go

:13:38. > :13:46.into details around this table. We are all adults, he cannot shock us.

:13:47. > :13:49.Victoria, in London, we had two vote per England, I wasn't surprised,

:13:50. > :13:57.that is all. Are you saying effectively you felt... Just to be

:13:58. > :14:02.clear to the audience, it was not about the merits of England's said

:14:03. > :14:08.it was about the potential of what you could do for other people.

:14:09. > :14:14.Obviously, I am French. I was playing in the English Premier

:14:15. > :14:17.League. Somehow, English football was seen as a little bit arrogant

:14:18. > :14:21.around the world because you have the best football, the best league

:14:22. > :14:25.in the world and when you talk too much about that and you are English,

:14:26. > :14:30.it sounds too English. But when the Frenchman steps into the deal and

:14:31. > :14:34.says, I have played in England and I can tell you English football is

:14:35. > :14:40.fantastic and they deserve, after 1966, the last World Cup, on their

:14:41. > :14:46.merits of the last 20 years, because English football has improved the

:14:47. > :14:51.entire football in the last 20 years. So they deserve in 2018, to

:14:52. > :14:57.host the World Cup. Like an anniversary, 50 years later. But

:14:58. > :15:02.they weren't interested in that? When I met those people, I found

:15:03. > :15:11.out, it was other issues than just the quality of the bid. Can you give

:15:12. > :15:16.us a clue of the other... OK, Greg Dyke, can you give us some insight

:15:17. > :15:18.because you said the National football associations around the

:15:19. > :15:26.world were culpable in corruption, what did you see, what did you hear?

:15:27. > :15:29.I wasn't there at the time. David is right, if you hear the journalism

:15:30. > :15:34.and the books, particularly from the British over 20 years, they have

:15:35. > :15:37.shown Fifa is a corrupt organisation. What was surprising

:15:38. > :15:42.about last year, finally somebody did something about it. It wasn't

:15:43. > :15:44.Fifa, it was the Americans, the Attorney General in America who has

:15:45. > :15:54.blown this whole thing sky-high. Rampant, systemic and deeply rooted

:15:55. > :16:03.is the American's Attorney General opinion. $200 million. Andrew

:16:04. > :16:06.Jennings has said that Fifa has got characteristics of an organised

:16:07. > :16:11.crime syndicate and in places it clearly does. As Greg said,

:16:12. > :16:16.salvation has come through journalism and the US authority, the

:16:17. > :16:20.FBI and the Attorney General taking an interest. When you said all the

:16:21. > :16:24.football associations around the world are also culpable, what did

:16:25. > :16:34.you mean, you are including your own FAA? -- FA. A lot of people looked

:16:35. > :16:40.at Sierra Leone. Sepp Blatter went to small countries that needed money

:16:41. > :16:46.for football and gave them money. Is that bribery or is that legitimate

:16:47. > :16:53.expenditure? Put it this way, when I introduced my candidacy last

:16:54. > :16:56.January... You were briefly a candidate for presidency Fifa? I

:16:57. > :17:03.could not reach the final nomination because out of the 209 FAs around

:17:04. > :17:09.the world, I was not in the system where every time I was trying to be

:17:10. > :17:16.introduced to a new essay, the door was locked -- new FA. Because you

:17:17. > :17:21.were an outsider? I travelled to New York to meet Mr Michel Platini

:17:22. > :17:26.because I wanted to introduce my candidacy to him as president of

:17:27. > :17:29.Uefa. He was French, he was a former player, he gave me my first cap when

:17:30. > :17:37.he was the manager of the national team. We sat with a beautiful view

:17:38. > :17:44.of the lake, his office at the FA is fantastic. He honestly said... He is

:17:45. > :17:52.a candidate this time, Michel Platini's right-hand man. He said,

:17:53. > :17:58."Look where I am working, I will not go into the Fifa election". I said I

:17:59. > :18:04.am here to tell you that I will be. Do you give me your support? He

:18:05. > :18:11.said, "Clearly, honestly not, David". I asked why. He said "You

:18:12. > :18:19.are not legitimate". I asked why. He said, you are not from fever, you

:18:20. > :18:24.are independent, too many wrong candidates -- from Fifa. You also

:18:25. > :18:28.backed with a major bookmaker and you were asking the public to source

:18:29. > :18:32.the money from your campaign, didn't that not undermine your candidacy

:18:33. > :18:36.from the start? It was a sponsor, clear right from the beginning.

:18:37. > :18:41.People took the whole thing wrong, right from the beginning. Betting

:18:42. > :18:49.companies are everywhere. Newspapers, football clubs... I was

:18:50. > :18:54.trying to get support for Prince Ali last time. He lost to Sepp Blatter

:18:55. > :18:58.last time. He was the only person left. I was going to lots of nations

:18:59. > :19:06.and they were saying Sepp Blatter has been so good to us. That is

:19:07. > :19:09.true. Let me finish what I said about Michel Platini. When I came

:19:10. > :19:14.out from the office I had appointments with different members

:19:15. > :19:20.of the FAs around Europe. Every single meeting was postponed or

:19:21. > :19:27.cancelled. Even a meeting with view? How dare they? Right after that. --

:19:28. > :19:37.with you. I was a football player, I was a spokesman for the silent

:19:38. > :19:47.minority. Fans, everyone who loves football, who are not from Fifa,

:19:48. > :19:50.within Fifa, the whole package. I was independent. When you are

:19:51. > :19:55.independent, you can't be controlled. No will stop Rosie,

:19:56. > :20:01.Aaron, as football supporters, you follow clubs and your national side,

:20:02. > :20:05.do you genuinely feel that down by Fifa? Or when the World Cup comes

:20:06. > :20:13.around, you get into the games. People feel let down by Fifa. You

:20:14. > :20:17.do? As a fan, the real difficulty, you speak to different fans in the

:20:18. > :20:23.pub, the difficulty they have is that people don't know who on earth

:20:24. > :20:27.these people are. Does it matter? It matters because they are making the

:20:28. > :20:32.rules of the game. It is very important. The only time you really

:20:33. > :20:35.hear of the names of people like Jack Warner, etc, they have been

:20:36. > :20:38.embroiled in these situations, whenever it comes out in the media,

:20:39. > :20:44.they have been arrested or investigated. I am not sure... It is

:20:45. > :20:49.a difficult question. But I am not even sure whether we should just

:20:50. > :20:54.have a new organisation instead of Fifa. We will definitely talk about

:20:55. > :20:59.that. Rosie, do you genuinely feel personally less down by what has

:21:00. > :21:06.happened that Fifa? A bit. Fifa is supposed to be the people in charge,

:21:07. > :21:11.they are supposed to set an example of how other organisations should be

:21:12. > :21:16.run. For them to do things like match fixing, things like that, kind

:21:17. > :21:22.of, you know, just doesn't sound right. It is very corrupt. I feel

:21:23. > :21:25.like it should all just be changed. Rachel you have been patiently

:21:26. > :21:32.waiting to contribute from Salford. In terms of the last year, what

:21:33. > :21:39.shocked you the most? The scale of the corruption. It is not just the

:21:40. > :21:44.allegations from Sepp Blatter. Literally his right-hand man, people

:21:45. > :21:50.further down the pyramid at Fifa, who... Once the investigations have

:21:51. > :21:55.been done, it doesn't seem... It seemed rotten to the call, Fifa. For

:21:56. > :22:01.all of the great work they have done in women's football and the progress

:22:02. > :22:06.they have made, the opportunities they've given to smaller countries

:22:07. > :22:09.who have previously not necessarily been on the map from a football

:22:10. > :22:15.perspective, I do think they have made great strides. But when that

:22:16. > :22:24.veneer of professionalism has, kind of, been an -- under and we see what

:22:25. > :22:30.Fifa is and we see the decision-making, it leaves a bitter

:22:31. > :22:34.taste in the mouth. -- been undone. When we see the showcase of the

:22:35. > :22:40.World Cup. It changes the way you watch a World Cup game? When you are

:22:41. > :22:43.in the World Cup and you are watching it, it is still a World Cup

:22:44. > :22:49.and it is still the showcase event. Everyone wants to be there, everyone

:22:50. > :22:54.wants to watch it. But certainly, the allocation of Qatar and Russia

:22:55. > :23:00.and the unscrupulous dealings that have gone on for those to be awarded

:23:01. > :23:04.is now seemingly seems, that certainly casts a bit of a shadow

:23:05. > :23:12.over what is normally a glamour and glitzy event. For me, it has cost a

:23:13. > :23:13.bit of doubt and a bit of a sour taste in my mouth as a fan watching

:23:14. > :23:29.the men's World Cup. Reform, certainly, totally, stripped

:23:30. > :23:32.back Fifa. -- strip. Change how things are implemented in the

:23:33. > :23:38.future. Why has it been so easy to corrupt people working for Fifa? It

:23:39. > :23:43.is not one or two rogue individuals, this is systemic. Not just

:23:44. > :23:47.confederations around the world, but people in Fifa. Jerome Valcke, the

:23:48. > :23:52.general secretary of Fifa has been banned for football for 12 years --

:23:53. > :23:58.from football. People taking a slice out of every area with money,

:23:59. > :24:02.broadcasting rights, hospitality, ticketing rights. This has been

:24:03. > :24:05.going on for decades. Lots of people have to be in on it for it to

:24:06. > :24:09.happen. Maybe they did not know the totality of the corruption but they

:24:10. > :24:12.were aware of bits of it and they kept quiet because they felt

:24:13. > :24:16.implicated. It is not over yet. There is a lot more to come, the

:24:17. > :24:20.Americans have made clear they will make more arrests. The Swiss

:24:21. > :24:26.Attorney General has made his own investigation. We will probably find

:24:27. > :24:31.within zero, the data there, we will find evidence -- within zero in

:24:32. > :24:36.Sweden. How can we go into a new election without the end of the

:24:37. > :24:44.investigation? Because it will take years. To reform it. Everyone who

:24:45. > :24:47.has been charged and then saying I am guilty is naming another five

:24:48. > :24:53.people, this will go on and on, this is not the end by any means. Should

:24:54. > :24:57.we just change the top of the pyramid? One man at the top, the

:24:58. > :24:59.president and the rest of the pyramid, the people underneath,

:25:00. > :25:05.working in the dark. It will make no difference at all to change the

:25:06. > :25:07.names at the top. If this is in the culture, the whole organisation

:25:08. > :25:13.needs either abolishing or reforming to is very root. It will not be

:25:14. > :25:18.abolished. But without oversight from law enforcement, governments

:25:19. > :25:23.and Attorney General is, Fifa can't be trusted to reform itself. The

:25:24. > :25:30.governing bodies are all in trouble, not just Fifa. The IAAF as well. Is

:25:31. > :25:33.that why it has been so easy to corrupt so many officials allegedly?

:25:34. > :25:37.Most denied the allegations. There is no independent external

:25:38. > :25:42.governance, they are independent. Absolutely. It operates like a

:25:43. > :25:46.failed state in a tax haven, no external scrutiny. Now we have the

:25:47. > :25:50.Swiss prosecutors and American authorities. Plenty more time to

:25:51. > :25:57.chat but we need to bring our view was the news headlines and comments.

:25:58. > :25:59.Sam says even if Fifa change, it will eventually become corrupt

:26:00. > :26:06.because where there is money there is greed. Robert says, sadly the new

:26:07. > :26:09.president of Fifa probably won't or can't change anything, Fifa is

:26:10. > :26:14.corrupt to the corps and should be disbanded. It, the only thing to do

:26:15. > :26:19.with Fifa is to scrap it and to be sure it is gone back any current

:26:20. > :26:24.employee from any involvement in football for ten years. That might

:26:25. > :26:28.be a bit harsh. We will talk more about Fifa and particularly the

:26:29. > :26:37.future in the next half an hour. First, the main news. Mental health

:26:38. > :26:40.care in England is to get a ?1 billion funding boost.

:26:41. > :26:43.The promise of extra cash comes after a review says poor care

:26:44. > :26:45.is 'ruining lives', with problems such as long waiting times,

:26:46. > :26:47.inadequate resources, and poor outcomes for patients.

:26:48. > :26:49.HSBC has announced it's to keep its headquarters in London,

:26:50. > :26:51.despite concerns about reforms in the banking sector.

:26:52. > :26:54.The banking giant launched a review last April about whether it should

:26:55. > :26:57.move, with Hong Kong seen as the most likely contender.

:26:58. > :26:59.But HSBC decided that London "offered the best outcome

:27:00. > :27:02.We took ten months to make this decision.

:27:03. > :27:05.It was a decision based on hopefully what will be a generational view.

:27:06. > :27:07.It was not based on short-term dynamics, market dynamics,

:27:08. > :27:13.It was based on a very thoughtful perspective on how economics

:27:14. > :27:20.will play out over the next 20, 25 years.

:27:21. > :27:25.At the end of that review, we ended up believing

:27:26. > :27:28.that the combination of a headquarters in London

:27:29. > :27:31.and the pivot to Asia, where our major operating activities

:27:32. > :27:33.Michel Platini's appeal against his eight-year ban

:27:34. > :27:36.from all football-related activity will be heard by Fifa's

:27:37. > :27:42.The suspended Uefa president was banned in December over

:27:43. > :27:45.a "disloyal payment" of ?1.3 million made to him in 2011,

:27:46. > :27:48.which had been signed off by Sepp Blatter, the

:27:49. > :27:57.Blatter will have his appeal against his own ban heard tomorrow.

:27:58. > :28:01.More on that with our debate featuring David Ginola and Greg Dyke

:28:02. > :28:03.in the next few minutes. A passenger plane travelling

:28:04. > :28:06.to New York is forced to turn back to London Heathrow after a laser

:28:07. > :28:13.was shone at the cockpit. The pilot's union is now calling for

:28:14. > :28:14.more to be done to tackle the growing use of lasers against

:28:15. > :28:22.aircraft. Police in Devon say

:28:23. > :28:24.the search is continuing Rose Polge, 25, was last

:28:25. > :28:28.seen on Friday night and her disappearance

:28:29. > :28:30.is being described as "completely Her car was found in a car

:28:31. > :28:33.park near Ansteys Cove, The Revenant triumphed at the BAFTA

:28:34. > :28:37.film awards last night, The wilderness survival film claimed

:28:38. > :28:40.three of the biggest prizes including best film

:28:41. > :28:42.with its star Leonardo Di Caprio coming away with the award

:28:43. > :28:48.for Best Actor. Those are the news headlines, time

:28:49. > :28:59.for the sport. Sheikh Salman will win the Fifa

:29:00. > :29:02.presidency is the view of many pundits and perhaps more

:29:03. > :29:07.importantly, the bookmakers. He is clear favourite ahead of Gianni

:29:08. > :29:15.Infantino to win the race with the other three candidates nothing but

:29:16. > :29:19.also rans. The run to the Premier League title is now anything but,

:29:20. > :29:23.two points separate the top three after Arsenal's last-minute winner

:29:24. > :29:27.against Leicester on Sunday and Christian Eriksen's late goal

:29:28. > :29:31.against Tottenham. What does it mean? Leicester are still top but

:29:32. > :29:36.their lead over Tottenham in second at Arsenal in third is now two

:29:37. > :29:37.points. Tight at the top but seven points adrift at the bottom Aston

:29:38. > :29:42.Villa. They conceded six at home

:29:43. > :29:44.to Liverpool, it's the first time that's happened at Villa Park

:29:45. > :29:47.since Culture Club were number one on Top of the Pops

:29:48. > :29:49.with Karma Chameleon. Everyone around this table remembers

:29:50. > :29:58.that fondly. Thank you. Sepp Blatter ran Fifa

:29:59. > :30:00.with a "mafioso" type strategy based That's what a leading expert

:30:01. > :30:03.on corporate anti-corruption who quit Fifa's own Independent

:30:04. > :30:06.Governance Committee in 2013 has Alexandra Wragge blamed "blatant

:30:07. > :30:09.sexism" and frustration that world football's governing body had

:30:10. > :30:11.proved resistant to change Sepp Blatter's 17-year reign

:30:12. > :30:15.as President of Fifa ended in disgrace in December

:30:16. > :30:18.after the world body's ethics committee banned him for eight years

:30:19. > :30:23.over corruption allegations. Claims he denies, his appeal

:30:24. > :30:25.against his ban is due New presidential elections

:30:26. > :30:30.take place next week. Alexandra Wragge has been talking

:30:31. > :30:33.to our sports news correspondent Richard Conway about

:30:34. > :30:38.Blatter's leadershiip. The surprising thing

:30:39. > :30:40.about the culture at Fifa was that it was the worst

:30:41. > :30:42.corporate culture I had ever come across, in the sense

:30:43. > :30:45.of reluctance to speak out, in the sense that change had to be

:30:46. > :30:50.approved, at the highest level. The very strong sense

:30:51. > :31:15.that this was Sepp He had a strong sense he was in a

:31:16. > :31:25.unique position in the world and frankly, he was. The world's

:31:26. > :31:29.football fans opened a lot of doors. He talked about the football family,

:31:30. > :31:34.a phrase that constantly came up. What did you

:31:35. > :31:38.There was a strong sense that Mr Blatter's leadership

:31:39. > :31:41.style was to let people who were loyal and supportive in.

:31:42. > :31:52.And, I'm not suggesting necessarily illegally,

:31:53. > :31:58.goody bags with the expensive watches we've heard about.

:31:59. > :32:01.All of it was permitted to keep people happy

:32:02. > :32:04.and for those who are loyal and those who were not the record

:32:05. > :32:15.shows that they were excised, banned from the family pretty quickly.

:32:16. > :32:21.And not to push the analogy too far, around

:32:22. > :32:29.Secret agreements that we are continuing to hear about,

:32:30. > :32:34.and we think about the reform happening now, or we hope

:32:35. > :32:36.is happening there, a lot of the infrastructure

:32:37. > :32:44.is still the same, the lawyers who were there then are still there,

:32:45. > :32:51.It's hard to imagine how we are going to move

:32:52. > :32:57.from unbelievable scandals that we have seen to

:32:58. > :33:00.something better than that with the whole family structures

:33:01. > :33:07.You seem to be suggesting perhaps that there has

:33:08. > :33:10.not been a cultural change, is that the problem here?

:33:11. > :33:13.That despite the arrests and indictments, it has not

:33:14. > :33:16.culturally shifted enough to where it is a functioning

:33:17. > :33:20.Absolutely, I don't think there's a question that there

:33:21. > :33:22.has not been a cultural change, there has not really been

:33:23. > :33:29.I don't think we have seen the end to the

:33:30. > :33:35.And you have to reach the bottom of that before you can

:33:36. > :33:37.start rebuilding if, in fact, you have the right

:33:38. > :33:42.There's been a lot of talk about this election coming up,

:33:43. > :33:48.Is that an opportunity for change or do you

:33:49. > :33:51.think looking at the candidates it will be more of the same?

:33:52. > :33:53.I think it's going to be more of the same.

:33:54. > :33:56.With the rules written the way that they are,

:33:57. > :33:58.to ensure that only an insider can take over, we start

:33:59. > :34:05.We begin with the sense that whoever is there already

:34:06. > :34:08.understands the audience that they had to play too,

:34:09. > :34:11.their expectations, what they have become accustomed to.

:34:12. > :34:15.We won't see any one leap up and demand sweeping reform

:34:16. > :34:20.because they will not get elected with that

:34:21. > :34:26.They are having to be very gentle and conciliatory,

:34:27. > :34:29.we aren't getting a lot of transparency around

:34:30. > :34:34.funding, and the platforms we are seeing are pretty vague.

:34:35. > :34:42.So, I think we are completely on track for more

:34:43. > :34:52.So who are the candidates hoping to replace Sepp Blatter

:34:53. > :34:54.as football's most powerful man, with a reported salary of around

:34:55. > :34:57.It's only an estimate because FIFA have always refused

:34:58. > :35:01.In total 5 men are running on a platform of reform,

:35:02. > :35:04.transparency and democracy - and all of them from within

:35:05. > :35:08.Our sports news correspondent Richard Conway has been taking

:35:09. > :35:11.Voters have a choice of five contenders.

:35:12. > :35:13.The frontrunner is Sheikh Salman, he's from Bahrain and the head

:35:14. > :35:29.He's been a member of Fifa's executive ruling

:35:30. > :35:32.He's the one the bookmakers think will win.

:35:33. > :35:35.To split Fifa into, the business side would deal with commercial

:35:36. > :35:39.The football side will deal with well, the football side.

:35:40. > :35:40.Organising the World Cup and promoting development

:35:41. > :35:45.Well, it's to stop executives making self-interest decisions and,

:35:46. > :35:47.as has been seen recently, putting their hand in

:35:48. > :35:50.But, Sheikh Salman is not without his issues.

:35:51. > :35:52.He is accused of human rights abuses connected to pro-democracy

:35:53. > :35:54.demonstrations in Bahrain four years ago.

:35:55. > :35:56.The uprising was part of the Arab Spring.

:35:57. > :36:01.Specifically, he is accused of heading a group of footballers

:36:02. > :36:05.He said that the committee was never formally constituted,

:36:06. > :36:12.These are false, you know, nasty lies that have been repeated

:36:13. > :36:17.People are talking about a committee,

:36:18. > :36:22.Do you think that people would be able to identify

:36:23. > :36:33.It's like asking the FA or the chair of the FA to say OK,

:36:34. > :36:38.can you identify David Beckham or Steven Gerrard?

:36:39. > :36:41.So, he may be out in front, but this man, Gianni Infantino,

:36:42. > :36:47.In fact, he has big momentum and believes he can win.

:36:48. > :36:51.He's one of the leading figures at Uefa, the European Confederation,

:36:52. > :36:55.and is positioning himself as someone the world can trust.

:36:56. > :36:58.First of all, if someone has stolen money, he has to go to jail.

:36:59. > :37:04.I applaud those investigations by public authorities who are acting

:37:05. > :37:11.When it comes to the running of football and our business,

:37:12. > :37:16.our job, we have to show that we can deserve it.

:37:17. > :37:18.He only looks to stand in this election after his boss,

:37:19. > :37:21.Michel Platini, was charged by Fifa's ethics committee

:37:22. > :37:24.for taking ?1.3 million from Sepp Blatter.

:37:25. > :37:27.Platini says he earned the money and it is legitimate,

:37:28. > :37:30.but they've both now been banned for eight years.

:37:31. > :37:35.Infantino has support from Europe and South America, a big part

:37:36. > :37:38.of his pitch is to expand the World Cup to 40 teams,

:37:39. > :37:41.ensuring more smaller nations can participate and ultimately he thinks

:37:42. > :37:49.But critics say that he is Platini's man and point to his plans

:37:50. > :37:54.to massively expand Fifa's development programme.

:37:55. > :37:57.They question where the money comes from and whether the sums add up.

:37:58. > :38:00.Next - Prince Ali bin al-Hussein is the brother of the King

:38:01. > :38:03.of Jordan, a former Fifa executive, and he thinks the election

:38:04. > :38:08.is the organisation's last chance to get it right.

:38:09. > :38:10.He knows all about fighting Fifa elections.

:38:11. > :38:12.He stood against Sepp Blatter last May but lost despite getting

:38:13. > :38:23.This time, he thinks it is different and he can win.

:38:24. > :38:25.I think it's the last chance to save the organisation,

:38:26. > :38:29.To get it back in the right shape and focus on what my real goal

:38:30. > :38:33.is, which is total development of football around the world.

:38:34. > :38:37.This time, Europe are backing Infantino's candidacy.

:38:38. > :38:40.Ali insists that he can still win, but many point to the fact that

:38:41. > :38:44.Salman has the support of Ali's home continent.

:38:45. > :38:48.A more realistic role may see him play kingmaker.

:38:49. > :38:53.If the vote is close between Salman and Infantino after the first

:38:54. > :38:57.On policy, he wants to quadruple the amount that member associations

:38:58. > :38:59.receive, believing it will increase their sustainability.

:39:00. > :39:03.He also wants the money properly accounted for.

:39:04. > :39:12.He is a former political prisoner who spent time in jail

:39:13. > :39:14.with Nelson Mandela during South Africa's apartheid.

:39:15. > :39:18.He is a big mate of Blatter, and is currently an envoy

:39:19. > :39:23.He wants to make a difference but has failed to get the support

:39:24. > :39:25.of Africa's football leaders, and he's been criticised for running

:39:26. > :39:30.That has led many to question whether he will even make

:39:31. > :39:34.The final candidate is Jerome Champagne.

:39:35. > :39:37.The Frenchman believes he can do better than many people expect.

:39:38. > :39:40.He's a former adviser to Sepp Blatter but was forced out

:39:41. > :39:43.of Fifa by executives after a series of disagreements.

:39:44. > :39:47.His knowledge of world football and it's power is beyond doubt,

:39:48. > :39:55.but turning that into votes could be the tricky part.

:39:56. > :39:57.He's defended Sepp Blatter's record in the past, leading many

:39:58. > :40:01.to question how close he is to the deposed Fifa president.

:40:02. > :40:04.But, Champagne says that Sepp Blatter did many good things,

:40:05. > :40:06.such as making sure that smaller nations were well-financed,

:40:07. > :40:09.and protected, especially given the huge wealth and power

:40:10. > :40:15.Large sections of the vote have already been divided along national

:40:16. > :40:17.and regional lines, so the swing states of the Caribbean

:40:18. > :40:22.It is no wonder candidates have spent so much time

:40:23. > :40:27.With the vote just over ten days away, candidates are now

:40:28. > :40:30.going all-out to secure backing, as they attempt to be crowned

:40:31. > :41:01.a lot to take in, Greg Dyke, would Salman be a good president of Fifa?

:41:02. > :41:03.I think it doesn't matter, what matters is the reform programme and

:41:04. > :41:09.restructuring the whole organisation. Of course it matters

:41:10. > :41:16.who the president of Fifa is. We want to avoid having the Sep Blatter

:41:17. > :41:20.style again having this one person who is all powerful. So you don't

:41:21. > :41:24.mind if there are these torture allegations around him? There are

:41:25. > :41:32.issues about him and human rights, yes. Specifically about him or the

:41:33. > :41:39.fact he represents Bahrain? It is Bahrain, no one denies there were

:41:40. > :41:43.violations of human rights involving sportsman and footballers that went

:41:44. > :41:48.on four years ago. No one denies that, it is whether he is involved.

:41:49. > :41:52.Does it matter whether he was involved, or can you have someone

:41:53. > :41:56.from Bahrain running world football, in charge of world football, given

:41:57. > :42:03.what happened there four years ago? What do you think? I personally have

:42:04. > :42:08.my doubts. So we would be a mistake if he became the next president of

:42:09. > :42:13.Fifa? What will happen, it will come down to two, no one will win on the

:42:14. > :42:18.first ballot. There is a sense he wasn't straight with what he knew,

:42:19. > :42:22.when the committee that, what Salman's involvement was, he did

:42:23. > :42:26.nothing to stand up and protect the sports people and will not discuss

:42:27. > :42:30.it. He didn't want to be asked questions about human rights,

:42:31. > :42:36.refused to take part in a debate I organised with Fifa and the European

:42:37. > :42:44.Parliament. He's going around the world with the other candidates in

:42:45. > :42:47.secret, trying to get votes. Is it linked to the election? What was

:42:48. > :42:52.promised is done behind closed doors. It is reminiscent of the way

:42:53. > :42:55.Fifa has been run in the past. The point has been made, if you are

:42:56. > :43:01.going to run for president and argue the transparency, it is probably

:43:02. > :43:06.best the regime you serve at home is transparent as well. David Ginola,

:43:07. > :43:10.who do you fancy out of those five? I have doubts, if you look at the

:43:11. > :43:18.five candidates, you will have different issues on the five. They

:43:19. > :43:23.are all very close to Fifa, or Uefa, or whatever. If you look at

:43:24. > :43:30.everyone, we saw the footage on each one. I am very doubtful. If you want

:43:31. > :43:36.to reform, you need to reform the whole thing, not just one person. I

:43:37. > :43:42.agree with Greg Dyke, to vote for someone is a very big deal. With

:43:43. > :43:45.what happened in the recent past, what still happened with the

:43:46. > :43:51.allegations, we are still in the process of doubting on everything.

:43:52. > :43:57.We have suspicion on everything. This shouldn't be the case. You said

:43:58. > :44:02.something interesting, Fifa should be set as an example around the

:44:03. > :44:08.world. We are talking about politics now, no sport. Where is sport?

:44:09. > :44:14.Nowhere. We are talking about politics. The president of Fifa is

:44:15. > :44:18.treated like a president of a country everywhere he goes, because

:44:19. > :44:25.he has the power of changing or making people richer or poorer. He

:44:26. > :44:32.has his hands on something like a massive power, and that shouldn't be

:44:33. > :44:37.the case. I want to ask our guest in Sierra Leone, the president of the

:44:38. > :44:41.Sierra Leone football Association, who will you be voting for out of

:44:42. > :44:49.those five? It is supposed to be a secret ballot vote, so maybe I'd

:44:50. > :44:53.best not answer that. Prince Ali says if he becomes president he will

:44:54. > :45:03.quadruple the amount member associations like yours get, might

:45:04. > :45:12.you vote for him? We need to clarify something. Too often we get the

:45:13. > :45:18.feeling people regard African member associations as all about the money.

:45:19. > :45:24.To some extent, that might be true but some, but for my association,

:45:25. > :45:28.that isn't the case. Too much money brings about a lot of corruption and

:45:29. > :45:34.mayhem and you get absolutely nothing done. Development is what

:45:35. > :45:49.we're looking at. We're looking at the candidate that will bring about

:45:50. > :45:56.developing football in Africa. What I have been reading about their

:45:57. > :45:59.declarations, listening to their interviews, the general trend going

:46:00. > :46:03.towards the government, transparency, accountability, it is

:46:04. > :46:11.all good and that is what hopefully will go a long way. But this thing

:46:12. > :46:22.about change, if the culture does not change, all these stories we are

:46:23. > :46:37.hearing about Fifa, if it doesn't change, there is no hope.

:46:38. > :46:42.How can we know if any of the men standing is clean?

:46:43. > :46:45.Let's get the latest weather update with Carole Kirkwood.

:46:46. > :46:52.Still pretty cold at the moment, these are the temperature values

:46:53. > :46:56.greeting you if you are stepping outside. Some snow flurries and

:46:57. > :47:05.sleet and rain. All morning across the north and East. Increasingly,

:47:06. > :47:10.they will wane from the North. Lots of sunshine for most. A keen breeze

:47:11. > :47:14.on the East Coast accent awaiting the cold feel but temperatures

:47:15. > :47:19.roughly where they should be in February at this stage. Tonight the

:47:20. > :47:23.temperatures will tumble quickly, -12 in some parts. Wet and windy

:47:24. > :47:28.weather from the north-west. Temperatures will rise. For England

:47:29. > :47:36.and Wales, it will remain cold. We could look at the coldest night of

:47:37. > :47:41.the year so far. Wives bred frost and ice on a untreated surfaces --

:47:42. > :47:49.widespread frost. Wet and windy weather in the North sinking South.

:47:50. > :47:54.Thank you, good morning. Welcome to our programme if you have just

:47:55. > :47:55.joined us. Is football's world governing

:47:56. > :47:57.body Fifa beyond saving? It's been mired in scandal

:47:58. > :48:08.after scandal and allegations Every time we were talking about

:48:09. > :48:15.Fifa it was toward something really suspicious. When you have two hide

:48:16. > :48:25.things behind closed doors it is because you have something to hide.

:48:26. > :48:31.Fifa's problems are not over yet. Everyone who has been charged and

:48:32. > :48:38.saying he is guilty is naming another five people, this will be

:48:39. > :48:42.going on and on former France international David Ginola and chair

:48:43. > :48:48.of injured's FAA, Greg Dyke. Get in touch with your views throughout the

:48:49. > :48:52.morning. Claims the NHS is failing mental health patients in England to

:48:53. > :49:01.such an extent that lives are being ruined, we get reaction from people

:49:02. > :49:04.receiving psychiatric care. Violet beach, there car plunged 80 feet

:49:05. > :49:11.into a canal in Sweden killing all four members of the band and their

:49:12. > :49:14.manager, we pay tribute. Good morning.

:49:15. > :49:17.Mental health care in England is to get a ?1 billion funding boost.

:49:18. > :49:20.The promise of extra cash comes after a review says poor care

:49:21. > :49:22.is "ruining lives", with problems such as long waiting times,

:49:23. > :49:27.inadequate resources, and poor outcomes for patients.

:49:28. > :49:29.HSBC has announced it's to keep its headquarters in London,

:49:30. > :49:33.rejecting a possible move to Hong Kong.

:49:34. > :49:36.Europe's biggest bank launched a review on its location last April

:49:37. > :49:38.in the face of tighter banking regulation.

:49:39. > :49:40.But HSBC decided that London "offered the best outcome

:49:41. > :49:49.Michel Platini's appeal against his eight-year ban

:49:50. > :49:51.from all football-related activity will be heard by Fifa's

:49:52. > :49:59.The suspended Uefa president was banned in December over

:50:00. > :50:01.a "disloyal payment" of ?1.3 million made to him in 2011,

:50:02. > :50:03.which had been signed off by Sepp Blatter, the

:50:04. > :50:14.He has his appeal heard tomorrow. The medical charity known as doctors

:50:15. > :50:19.without Borders says a makeshift clinic it supports in northern Syria

:50:20. > :50:21.has been destroyed in an air strike. It says there is no information

:50:22. > :50:24.about whether there have been any casualties at one of their bases in

:50:25. > :50:26.a particular province. A plane travelling to New York

:50:27. > :50:29.was forced to turn back to Heathrow last night after a laser

:50:30. > :50:32.was shone at the cockpit. The pilots' union, Balpa,

:50:33. > :50:35.is now calling for more to be done to tackle the growing use

:50:36. > :50:40.of lasers against aircraft. Police are continuing to search

:50:41. > :50:43.an area of the Devon coast Rose Polge, 25, was last

:50:44. > :50:47.seen on Friday night and her disappearance

:50:48. > :50:49.is being described as "completely Her car was found in a car

:50:50. > :50:55.park near Ansteys Cove, The trial of England footballer

:50:56. > :50:58.Adam Johnson continues today. The former Sunderland player

:50:59. > :51:22.is charged with two counts of sexual The Revenant Was the big winner at

:51:23. > :51:29.last night's BAFTAs. Alejandro Inaritu Was best director.

:51:30. > :51:33.Fascinating chat. Sheikh Salman, the favourite to be the next president

:51:34. > :51:39.has, in the past, been a supporter of Sepp Blatter. Once this was all

:51:40. > :51:44.done at the end of the month, will we see change? -- this is done. Greg

:51:45. > :51:47.Dyke suggested the problems at Fifa run really deep and a change at the

:51:48. > :51:54.top is perhaps not the only one required. If you read the journalism

:51:55. > :51:59.and the books are tickly from the British over 20 years, they have

:52:00. > :52:02.shown that Fifa is a corrupt organisation. Surprisingly last

:52:03. > :52:08.year, finally somebody did something about it. It was not Fifa, it was

:52:09. > :52:13.the Americans, the Attorney General in America has blown this whole

:52:14. > :52:17.thing sky-high. More wonderful twists and turns in the English

:52:18. > :52:22.Premier League title race, snobby leaders Leicester 2-1 thanks to a

:52:23. > :52:30.late goal at Tottenham two off the leaders in second after a 2-1 win. A

:52:31. > :52:35.late winner at fourth place city. They lost to title rivals for the

:52:36. > :52:41.second time in a week. Spurs' fifth league win in a row. After wins for

:52:42. > :52:47.France and Wales on Saturday, England moved to the top of the six

:52:48. > :52:51.Nations win with a 40-9 win over Italy in Rome. Attritional first

:52:52. > :52:55.half but England accelerated away in the second. Jonathan Joseph scored a

:52:56. > :52:56.hat-trick to give them they win and maintain coach Eddie Jones' unbeaten

:52:57. > :53:11.start in charge. Alan Morgan's side was dominant that

:53:12. > :53:13.an unbeaten century from AB de Villiers guided them to a five

:53:14. > :53:24.wicket victory in Cape Town. England's women won 2-1. Outrageous

:53:25. > :53:29.cheek on Barcelona in their 6-1 win over Celta Vigo. If you tried this

:53:30. > :53:34.on a Sunday afternoon you might not get anyone buying you a pint in the

:53:35. > :53:38.bar afterwards. Messi flicking the ball to Luis Suarez who gets his

:53:39. > :53:44.hat-trick by tucking it in. How cheeky is that? This is the kind of

:53:45. > :53:54.football story we like but back to you with more on Fifa. We have

:53:55. > :54:00.debated the future of Fifa. The Chairman of Fifa has expressed

:54:01. > :54:03.criticism about shakes Sound man because of allegations of human

:54:04. > :54:06.rights abuses in his home country, Bahrain.

:54:07. > :54:15.How do you know if any of the five candidates are clean? Presumably you

:54:16. > :54:21.have questions some of them? I have talked to all of them on behalf of

:54:22. > :54:27.the FA. I will report back this week on who we think we should vote for

:54:28. > :54:29.but you can't know. That is why you supported Michel Platini last year?

:54:30. > :54:36.We thought he did quite a good job at you Uefa until we discover nobody

:54:37. > :54:45.knew about the ?1.5 million. Is this due diligence? How can you do that?

:54:46. > :54:49.I don't know. They say no. That's it, the level of June diligence?

:54:50. > :54:53.Nobody knew that Sepp Blatter was suspect four-year is. We didn't vote

:54:54. > :54:59.for him. Nobody knew but they should. FA backed Michel Platini

:55:00. > :55:04.before they knew the other candidates, and the criticism said

:55:05. > :55:10.it looked like it was a blog decision to back their man. The big

:55:11. > :55:12.problem with this election, no one was independent. Every single one

:55:13. > :55:18.has a background from somewhere close to Fifa. It is unthinkable but

:55:19. > :55:24.you would not back Gianni Infantino given that he is the head of Uefa,

:55:25. > :55:29.how close the FA have got to Uefa. We will discuss this at the FA board

:55:30. > :55:35.this week and we will decide this week. I went to the meeting in Uefa

:55:36. > :55:39.and refused. We said we would not tell you and we came under a lot of

:55:40. > :55:43.pressure. There were half a dozen nations that said we will not

:55:44. > :55:52.deciding. Pressure from whom? From Uefa. Not from the candidates? Yet,

:55:53. > :55:56.pressure from Uefa to support Gianni Infantino. We will talk more in a

:55:57. > :55:57.moment. We have plenty of time to talk more.

:55:58. > :56:01.One of only three women at the very top of Fifa's leadership has told

:56:02. > :56:03.this programme that the corruption scandal has caused "huge damage"

:56:04. > :56:06.and "shocked many in the football world" but that a reform package

:56:07. > :56:09.which includes more positions for women will be a "breath of fresh

:56:10. > :56:15.Former Australia player Moya Dodd sits on Fifa's Executive Committee

:56:16. > :56:18.and is also a Vice President of the Asian Football Federation

:56:19. > :56:22.She told me how she reacted when her old boss Sepp Blatter

:56:23. > :56:25.was arrested on allegations of corruption.

:56:26. > :56:28.I think the events shocked many in the football world,

:56:29. > :56:38.But, I think when we are realistic about it, it's a tragedy for certain

:56:39. > :56:41.individuals, it's an opportunity for reform, and to set itself

:56:42. > :56:48.on a path in which the future is very different to the past.

:56:49. > :56:50.I'm going to ask about you own views on how

:56:51. > :56:55.When Sepp Blatter says he's never cheated with money,

:56:56. > :57:03.It's not about individuals, I think it is about institutional reform.

:57:04. > :57:05.With respect, it is about individuals, Sepp Blatter has been

:57:06. > :57:13.the boss of Fifa since 1998, and has reigned supreme for that

:57:14. > :57:16.And under his governance of your institution,

:57:17. > :57:20.we have seen dozens and dozens of people arrested by various

:57:21. > :57:25.And of the 22 men who voted in the awarding

:57:26. > :57:28.of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups in Russia and Qatar,

:57:29. > :57:33.half are now facing corruption charges.

:57:34. > :57:35.You are reciting some facts and things that are opinions,

:57:36. > :57:39.I would say it is not my institution.

:57:40. > :57:42.It is everyone's institution, and it is now up to all of us

:57:43. > :57:45.to make sure it is better in the future than it has been

:57:46. > :57:51.That is what the reforms are all about and what the Congress

:57:52. > :57:58.You know that some people have said that Fifa should be scrapped

:57:59. > :58:05.There are a lot of questions in that, how can Fifa be reformed?

:58:06. > :58:10.I think the package of reforms on the table is a good first step,

:58:11. > :58:13.and it is a step where there is enough consensus around

:58:14. > :58:16.what is in the package to ensure that it is a step

:58:17. > :58:22.that the organisation should be able to take on February 26th.

:58:23. > :58:25.The key features are the separation of the political and management

:58:26. > :58:29.functions within Fifa, the executive committee will become

:58:30. > :58:34.a council and step back from operational issues.

:58:35. > :58:37.And decision-making that is of an administrative nature,

:58:38. > :58:46.and will focus more in a corporate board type structure on strategy.

:58:47. > :58:49.And, in line with more traditional corporate notions of governance,

:58:50. > :58:52.I suppose, there will be more independent members on key

:58:53. > :58:56.subcommittees like finance, and development.

:58:57. > :59:01.There will be a fully independent audit committee,

:59:02. > :59:04.there will be term limits on the president and executive

:59:05. > :59:07.committee members, there will be compensation disclosure.

:59:08. > :59:12.there will be many of the, I think, sensible corporate hygiene measures

:59:13. > :59:14.that people have been calling for introduced in this package

:59:15. > :59:21.of reforms that will go before Congress on February 26th.

:59:22. > :59:24.There will also be, I'm happy to say, moves towards greater gender

:59:25. > :59:28.equality in Fifa, there will be six places held for women at the top

:59:29. > :59:36.And there will be new statutory objectives introduced in Fifa's

:59:37. > :59:41.The founding documents, that will place the development

:59:42. > :59:44.of women's football and the inclusion of women

:59:45. > :59:46.in football governance as one of the first level objectives

:59:47. > :59:55.So, they are some pretty big steps that I think will make a positive

:59:56. > :59:58.difference to both the culture and operations of the institution

:59:59. > :00:03.Will Fifa be less corrupt then if there are more women

:00:04. > :00:08.That's a matter of academic research, the only women

:00:09. > :00:11.who are at the top table at Fifa right now, including myself,

:00:12. > :00:19.got to that table because they were part of a quota mechanism.

:00:20. > :00:22.Because I'm part of a quota, by definition I'm not someone who's

:00:23. > :00:30.If you make the effort to include women, you are going to change

:00:31. > :00:34.the air in the room because you get people who are not part of those

:00:35. > :00:38.You get people who are, by definition,

:00:39. > :00:46.I think that kind of cultural shift is something that Fifa badly needs.

:00:47. > :00:49.I'm glad you mentioned cultural shift, I just want to play you this.

:00:50. > :00:53.It is a short clip of Sepp Blatter back in 2013, when he was talking

:00:54. > :00:57.about the quota system you just mentioned.

:00:58. > :01:00.We shall have not only a culture of a lady,

:01:01. > :01:04.but a lady elected for four years, and to other ladies,

:01:05. > :01:11.You have a candidate, a good candidate, and a good-looking

:01:12. > :01:23.I cannot say more, because I shall observe some neutrality.

:01:24. > :01:25.Sepp Blatter was referring to you as a good candidate,

:01:26. > :01:29.Is that the kind of thing that you are suggesting absolutely

:01:30. > :01:37.Well, in defence of his position on this, he was the one

:01:38. > :01:40.who pioneered the appearance of women at the executive committee

:01:41. > :01:45.I think they would not have come through the usual

:01:46. > :01:49.If he was talking about a male colleague he would not have

:01:50. > :01:58.I suspect that many women around the world in corporate contexts feel

:01:59. > :02:00.that they too have been the subject of comments

:02:01. > :02:08.It feels that you are doing all you can not to criticise Sepp

:02:09. > :02:14.We could go through reams of names and comments on things from past

:02:15. > :02:18.contact in the football world but to be honest,

:02:19. > :02:21.the task in front of us now to reform Fifa to make

:02:22. > :02:24.the institution better is such a large one is that I don't

:02:25. > :02:27.have the energy to waste on picking apart the past.

:02:28. > :02:31.A lot of people are doing that and it is their role to do

:02:32. > :02:35.That may be fairer enough, but I'm just thinking about people

:02:36. > :02:41.They play it, they watch it, they follow it, they have a football

:02:42. > :02:44.team, they adore the World Cup, and they are seeing you on that

:02:45. > :02:46.executive committee, you are at Fifa's top table and...

:02:47. > :02:50.How can they trust you to change Fifa if you won't even acknowledge

:02:51. > :02:54.that there is horrendous damage that has been caused in the last few

:02:55. > :03:01.I think we all acknowledge that there has been huge damage

:03:02. > :03:04.caused in the last few months and years.

:03:05. > :03:09.What I'm trying to do is call out some of the things that have

:03:10. > :03:13.to change, in that, and gender inequality is definitely

:03:14. > :03:17.And set about trying to persuade the decision-makers

:03:18. > :03:33.I cannot do much about the past but only help to change the future.

:03:34. > :03:44.Let's talk to a former English goalkeeper, if there were more women

:03:45. > :03:48.at the top of Fifa, will there be less corruption? What she talks

:03:49. > :03:56.about corporate hygiene might go towards cleaning up Fifa. That is

:03:57. > :04:00.the same for any logical prise Asian, but Fifa, the old ideals, the

:04:01. > :04:06.sexism and the antiquated beliefs and behaviour that Sep Blatter

:04:07. > :04:11.clearly showed in some of his comments. I remember a comment years

:04:12. > :04:16.ago about female footballers if they wore short shorts, the game would be

:04:17. > :04:23.more attractive. It was an old way of thinking and I do believe the

:04:24. > :04:29.quota system will help the change in Fifa, but it it needs more than

:04:30. > :04:33.that, in needs a radical overhaul, not just to address the inequalities

:04:34. > :04:40.of Fifa in its infrastructure, but the close circle of trust that has

:04:41. > :04:46.been the rotten elements of Fifa for so long. All the candidates who are

:04:47. > :04:51.implicated by the Association of Sep Blatter, I don't believe should, or

:04:52. > :04:54.certainly cast a shadow over their integrity when it comes to someone

:04:55. > :05:03.going in as the new candidate for president of Fifa. There is such a

:05:04. > :05:06.whole range and vast scope of problems at Fifa, it genuinely

:05:07. > :05:13.should be blown out of the water and almost started again. You say start

:05:14. > :05:20.again, but this is an unscientific survey, but would you say scrap it

:05:21. > :05:25.and start again? Of course not. I will come back to, I want to see

:05:26. > :05:30.what everyone says around the room, Aaron, football supporter? It seems

:05:31. > :05:36.like the only option. I don't think it is realistic because they will

:05:37. > :05:42.not scrap themselves. Greg Dyke? There is no way of doing it. I

:05:43. > :05:45.suspect if we were given the opportunity, we would all say start

:05:46. > :05:49.again, but I don't think there is a way of doing it, it is very

:05:50. > :05:54.difficult. I don't think you can start again, it is a tournament

:05:55. > :05:59.formats and people sell the rights to watch it. That is the way it is.

:06:00. > :06:03.Football will continue as a sport around the world being loved by

:06:04. > :06:10.millions of people and it doesn't need Fifa, we could start again. If

:06:11. > :06:18.you scrapped the tournaments, Fifa is just a talking shop. I wouldn't

:06:19. > :06:22.say start again, I would come back a bit, select new people, keep the

:06:23. > :06:27.name, keep the whole idea of the organisation, but change things in

:06:28. > :06:33.it. That is kind of what they are going to do, what about you, David

:06:34. > :06:37.Ginola? No respect for the people and the fans with what happened in

:06:38. > :06:44.the recent months, saying that we want to change it, but there is no

:06:45. > :06:51.way we can do it. I interrupted you, do carry on with your point.

:06:52. > :07:11.Scrapping it, no. Let's be clear about this. It is about a leader in

:07:12. > :07:18.this association and around the world. The media who have come down

:07:19. > :07:24.so heavily, and rightly so, on Fifa, have more women on board in the

:07:25. > :07:30.executive committee... I am sorry to jump in, but it is such a poor line,

:07:31. > :07:35.we will try to get you on the phone. We know that will work. The point

:07:36. > :07:41.Molly Dodd made, it is more important to reform the institution,

:07:42. > :07:47.the changing personnel is important, Fifa is bigger than the individuals,

:07:48. > :07:53.what do we think? It is, it has been going since 1904, an institution

:07:54. > :07:57.that has delivered World Cups. We need to separate what has happened

:07:58. > :08:02.with some of the individuals and the governing body who do good work in

:08:03. > :08:07.Zurich on a daily basis. What we have seen in Fifa over the past

:08:08. > :08:14.several years is that slowly eroding of its moral authority to lead the

:08:15. > :08:18.game. What it is at right now is a crossroads, which we will see what

:08:19. > :08:23.way it will go. The selection is important because it will set the

:08:24. > :08:31.tone for World Cup ball for the next ten, even 20 years. Non-Arbor

:08:32. > :08:38.candidates have talked about the 2018 2022 World Cups in Qatar and

:08:39. > :08:42.Russia. Very sensitive subject. None of them have mentioned that, is it

:08:43. > :08:47.an issue? They seem to be going ahead despite the fact of the people

:08:48. > :08:51.who voted for those two World Cups are being questioned on allegations

:08:52. > :09:00.of corruption? The 24 years that have been identified, the people who

:09:01. > :09:04.are posing as reformers of Fifa, why were they silent? Where they

:09:05. > :09:08.complicit, did they ignore it and pretend it wasn't happening? They

:09:09. > :09:11.have the answer for the silence, how can you take people seriously if

:09:12. > :09:27.they didn't speak at the time. Once all the various cases that are

:09:28. > :09:32.open against the individuals named in that report, it will be released.

:09:33. > :09:39.But it has moved on since the Garcia report. There is a criminal

:09:40. > :09:44.investigation into the bidding process, so they can bring charges

:09:45. > :09:49.against people. The Russia World Cup will still go ahead in Russia. It

:09:50. > :09:54.Qatar World Cup... If what comes out of that report demonstrates there

:09:55. > :10:03.was corruption involved in the Qatar World Cup, I think it might change.

:10:04. > :10:10.Really? Yes. You mean it won't be in Qatar? If they show evidence there

:10:11. > :10:15.was corrupt practices used to get the World Cup in Qatar, there is an

:10:16. > :10:20.opportunity to move it. If you want to restore trust in something or

:10:21. > :10:27.someone, you need to release all evidence, that is obvious. When you

:10:28. > :10:34.hide half or three quarters of something, is there something you

:10:35. > :10:40.want to add, the truth to be away from the reality. Twenty20 two is a

:10:41. > :10:46.very sensitive subject, as I said. We need to have on the table, a full

:10:47. > :10:50.Garcia report to restore entire trust to say that Fifa didn't do

:10:51. > :10:56.anything wrong in that. You will not be chairman for England FA McClung,

:10:57. > :11:02.but can you see the possibility this World Cup being in England? That is

:11:03. > :11:09.not what we are about. All I am saying is... Come on, please! If

:11:10. > :11:16.they come up with clear evidence this was run by corruption, I don't

:11:17. > :11:23.see how Fifa has any other choice? For the World Cup to be taken away

:11:24. > :11:28.from Qatar in there has to be a political will, I don't think that

:11:29. > :11:31.is there. When we see the closeness of the British government to Bahrain

:11:32. > :11:34.and Qatar and the middle Eastern region, there is no political

:11:35. > :11:39.appetite here when John Whittingdale raised the question of England

:11:40. > :11:46.hosting the 2022 World Cup, Philip had to go to the Qataris and

:11:47. > :11:52.apologise for raising it. -- Philip Hammond. They are conflicted on

:11:53. > :11:58.this. It wouldn't come to Europe, it will probably go to to Australia or

:11:59. > :12:00.America or somewhere else. But if there are charges brought against

:12:01. > :12:05.individuals for buying votes, it will be moved. But the response we

:12:06. > :12:10.talked about earlier, you set up something new in parallel, we will

:12:11. > :12:14.have a new summer World Cup, it will be in the United States, we have

:12:15. > :12:17.sponsors, broadcasters and commercial partners to make it

:12:18. > :12:23.happen, all we need are the players. If the major clubs around the world

:12:24. > :12:27.said they want to play in this new, clean tournament, the debate is

:12:28. > :12:34.irrelevant with what it happens to Fifa, because it has moved on. Lord

:12:35. > :12:41.treason, who was head of the FA some years ago suggested the Qatar bid

:12:42. > :12:49.spent ?117 million and legitimately asked, where did the money go? It

:12:50. > :12:57.went on high-profile people to promote the bid. They say it is

:12:58. > :13:01.legitimate and in Qatar you have to look up the fact the rules were so

:13:02. > :13:09.opaque back in that bidding process, anything went, in many regards. It

:13:10. > :13:15.was a failure of the system. England's bid, they are not clean on

:13:16. > :13:23.this either in terms of signing blank cheques to Jack Warner? Nobody

:13:24. > :13:27.came out of this with any credit. England were prepared to go along

:13:28. > :13:35.with it when it suited them. The person from Qatar who tried to be

:13:36. > :13:40.president, they said England had no chance because we wouldn't play the

:13:41. > :13:44.game. We know what the game was, it was money. It looks like almost

:13:45. > :13:49.every World Cup in recent years has been corrupt and there has been

:13:50. > :13:54.money being passed about. The scandal going on in Germany is

:13:55. > :14:03.amazing because Germany is more like written because it is not

:14:04. > :14:06.acceptable. The technical committee, Fifa's own technical committee

:14:07. > :14:10.advised against putting the World Cup in Qatar on the grounds you

:14:11. > :14:15.couldn't play it in the summer in the heat. They were completely

:14:16. > :14:19.ignored and you have to ask why? Is there not a difficulty surrounding

:14:20. > :14:25.government involvement when we go back to the issue of reform. Until

:14:26. > :14:34.Fifa is reformed to amend Article 17 so governments can actually... I

:14:35. > :14:39.don't know what Article 17 is. You cannot a political interference. It

:14:40. > :14:43.is political parliament having a view on corruption at Fifa, but

:14:44. > :14:50.elliptical interference is what we saw in Bahrain where the government

:14:51. > :14:58.took human rights violations against sportspeople. That is what political

:14:59. > :15:02.interference looks like. They use that to their advantage. When they

:15:03. > :15:07.don't like political interference they threatened to ban nations from

:15:08. > :15:13.World Cups. Hopefully now we can hear our guest on the phone. If

:15:14. > :15:19.there is evidence and it is proven those who voted the Qatar in

:15:20. > :15:26.Twenty20 to did it on a corrupt basis, there is a legitimate reason

:15:27. > :15:31.to take that World Cup away from Qatar and have it elsewhere, but you

:15:32. > :15:38.have it that way, the Sierra Leone Football Association? It is the

:15:39. > :15:46.first step in gaining the trust. It is all about proving somebody guilty

:15:47. > :15:52.of wrongdoing. Like I said, so much is claimed to have happened or still

:15:53. > :15:55.going on in Fifa and within the member associations. We're talking

:15:56. > :16:00.about reforms and all these other things, if it can be proven there

:16:01. > :16:04.was wrongdoing to the extent that it should be taken away from them.

:16:05. > :16:10.There is no reason we shouldn't start from there.

:16:11. > :16:20.Can I ask you to wrap up? What will happen? How did you know? I want to

:16:21. > :16:25.say something because you said it is not about individuals. Fifa is a

:16:26. > :16:30.massive institution for tens of years. It is just amazing. But we

:16:31. > :16:37.are talking about leading people, we are talking about the leaders who

:16:38. > :16:40.vote. Who make reforms. If you are great people, good people working at

:16:41. > :16:45.the top of Fifa, they will be followed, they will be understood.

:16:46. > :16:50.It is all about that, good people at the top is about individuals. Let's

:16:51. > :16:55.bring good people amongst Fifa, to be trusted. Fifa needs to be

:16:56. > :17:00.trusted. For our kids, for the future. They need to look at Fifa in

:17:01. > :17:08.a better way without doubt, without suspicion. Rosie, do you think you

:17:09. > :17:13.will trust Fifa again? No. Simple. What will unfold over the next

:17:14. > :17:17.coming weeks and months? We can have a new president and weeks later they

:17:18. > :17:21.could be arrested by the FBI. An awful lot will unfold, we haven't

:17:22. > :17:26.mentioned in Russia. Qatar is taking all the flak but there was

:17:27. > :17:30.corruption possibly in both areas. They are good at hiding. When the

:17:31. > :17:36.groom and investigation under falls, they will be new evidence --

:17:37. > :17:39.criminal investigation unfolds. We are holding a presidential election

:17:40. > :17:44.where we are at the start of a process and the election should not

:17:45. > :17:47.be taking place. I think there has to be a proper outside, independent

:17:48. > :17:52.reform commission that scrutinises what goes on. Lots of talk about the

:17:53. > :17:56.reform that people want to see but we are trusting people who are Fifa

:17:57. > :18:00.insiders, implementing those reforms, can we have confidence that

:18:01. > :18:05.will change? There needs to be external validation of that reform.

:18:06. > :18:09.What will happen? Not a lot will change. Over the years, it will be

:18:10. > :18:13.adjusting to discuss whether Fifa will still be here in two or three

:18:14. > :18:18.years -- it will be interesting. It depends what happens in the legal

:18:19. > :18:22.investigations in America and Switzerland. Ayew suggesting it

:18:23. > :18:27.might not be there in three years? We can't be certain. -- are you all

:18:28. > :18:29.stop from a fan's perspective it is very sad that we are talking about

:18:30. > :18:38.the head of football. We are picking the best of a bad

:18:39. > :18:41.bunch. Whoever comes in, everyone, from the fans pressurising their own

:18:42. > :18:47.associations, the media scrutiny, everybody has to make -- work hard

:18:48. > :18:52.to make sure whoever is introduced reforms and is forced to. What do

:18:53. > :18:58.you see coming up? The two most important people in this election

:18:59. > :19:03.and Fifa's future are Michael Laudrup and the US Attorney General,

:19:04. > :19:09.these candidates will have a say but what they decide will ultimately

:19:10. > :19:13.have the biggest say in the next few months and ten years. Knew what

:19:14. > :19:19.those two individuals on your side -- you would want. What about

:19:20. > :19:25.yourself, do you have a view about what we might see over the next

:19:26. > :19:30.weeks and months? Fifa has to be started pretty much again. Under the

:19:31. > :19:34.same name, but a single person, successful candidate brought in, and

:19:35. > :19:39.the Qatar allegations are proven to be correct, the first thing the

:19:40. > :19:45.successful candidate needs to do is take the World Cup off Qatar. That

:19:46. > :19:49.will make a huge stand to other associations that that sort of

:19:50. > :19:56.behaviour from this day forward in their candidacy... In their turn

:19:57. > :20:02.won't be accepted. You would need to be a strong man to do that. I

:20:03. > :20:08.suspect, but I hope not but a few more scandals will emerge in the

:20:09. > :20:13.next coming weeks. There seems like a big move by the Americans to clean

:20:14. > :20:19.up the associations much as they can. It is with the leadership.

:20:20. > :20:25.Whoever comes in has really got to do the best they can to get the

:20:26. > :20:31.trust back. The people, the world, the associations, the media. It is

:20:32. > :20:38.the media that is following this through thick and thin, inch by

:20:39. > :20:44.inch. They have a lot of work to do. Not only them but we have got to

:20:45. > :20:51.help that new leader in changing this. Good luck to all of them, we

:20:52. > :20:55.wish them the best. Jay is watching this morning. Representative of most

:20:56. > :21:00.messages from our audience. Fifa is corrupt to the call and people are

:21:01. > :21:07.questioning about whether it is continuing? This is sickening. Thank

:21:08. > :21:10.you for your time. What is it like being the Gary Lineker of France,

:21:11. > :21:20.presenting your own Match of the Day? Great. It is in French. I say

:21:21. > :21:26.Bonjour. We understand that. Do you have the same dreadful gags and

:21:27. > :21:31.puns? I have my own. Do you write your own script? Let's bring back

:21:32. > :21:34.football to the fans because it belongs to them. No one will

:21:35. > :21:39.disagree with that. It is very important.

:21:40. > :21:43.Mental health patients give us their reaction to a new report

:21:44. > :21:46.which claims psychiatric care in England is so poor that "lives

:21:47. > :21:49.Plus, we'll pay tribute to the British indie band

:21:50. > :21:52.Viola Beach, their car plunged 80 feet into a canal in Sweden killing

:21:53. > :21:59.all four band members and their manager.

:22:00. > :22:05.Mental health care in England is to get a ?1 billion

:22:06. > :22:09.The promise of extra cash comes after a review says poor care

:22:10. > :22:11.is "ruining lives", with problems such as long waiting times,

:22:12. > :22:17.inadequate resources, and poor outcomes for patients.

:22:18. > :22:19.HSBC has announced it's to keep its headquarters in London,

:22:20. > :22:22.rejecting a possible move to Hong Kong.

:22:23. > :22:25.Europe's biggest bank launched a review of its location last April

:22:26. > :22:27.in the face of tighter banking regulation.

:22:28. > :22:29.But HSBC decided that London "offered the best outcome

:22:30. > :22:47.Greg Dyke has told us the 2022 World Cup could be taken away from Qatar

:22:48. > :22:51.is clear evidence of corruption is found. He expressed scepticism about

:22:52. > :22:54.whether one of the presidential candidates, Sheikh Salman, is right

:22:55. > :23:00.for the top job of Fifa over allegations of human rights abuses.

:23:01. > :23:03.Damian Collins says the way this presidential Fifa presidential

:23:04. > :23:08.election is being conducted shows nothing is changing. Here the other

:23:09. > :23:12.candidates are meeting in secret and in private with associations trying

:23:13. > :23:16.to get this vote. He did a deal with the African Confederation before

:23:17. > :23:20.they endorsed him. Is that linked to the election? What was promised? It

:23:21. > :23:25.is behind closed doors. This is reminiscent of the way Fifa has been

:23:26. > :23:32.run in the past. Time for the sport. Once this Fifa vote is done, what

:23:33. > :23:36.real change will we will Fifa exist in a few years' time? Greg Dyke FHM

:23:37. > :23:42.and suggested the problems of Fifa run really deep and that in time it

:23:43. > :23:46.might disappear completely -- FA chairman. More twists and turns in

:23:47. > :23:49.the Premier League title race, Arsenal beat league leaders

:23:50. > :23:54.Leicester at Tottenham, thanks to Christian Eriksen, beat Manchester

:23:55. > :23:59.City 2-1. They second, two points behind Leicester in the table. Six

:24:00. > :24:04.Nations, England moved to the top of the table yesterday with a 40-9 win

:24:05. > :24:09.over Italy in Rome with a attritional first half. Great moves

:24:10. > :24:13.in the second. England accelerating with Jonathan Joseph scoring a

:24:14. > :24:19.hat-trick of tries to give them a win and maintain Eddie Jones'

:24:20. > :24:23.unbeaten start. England's cricketers lead against South Africa but they

:24:24. > :24:27.lost it, Eoin Morgan's side beaten by AB de Villiers who got an

:24:28. > :24:32.unbeaten century guiding the hosts to a five wicket victory in Cape

:24:33. > :24:37.Town. I will be back on the news town shortly -- news channel.

:24:38. > :24:40.A New York-bound passenger plane was forced to turn back to Heathrow

:24:41. > :24:43.last night after a laser was shone at the cockpit.

:24:44. > :24:49.A crew member is recorded saying to Irish air traffic control that they

:24:50. > :24:52.had "A medical issue with one of the pilots".

:24:53. > :25:09.This flight took off at 8am from Heathrow last night -- 8pm. It was

:25:10. > :25:15.headed to New York, JFK airport. 252 passengers and 15 crew on board. It

:25:16. > :25:20.was about 8000 feet in the air about six miles west of here. There was a

:25:21. > :25:25.laser attack in the cockpit. The passengers have been speaking to us

:25:26. > :25:28.this morning. They told us it was about one hour into the flight when

:25:29. > :25:35.the co-pilot told them over the tannoy what had happened. He said

:25:36. > :25:40.they had to turn back because he was suffering and he needed to go back.

:25:41. > :25:45.It was very calm on board. They came back and they have been put up in

:25:46. > :25:53.hotels overnight. They are hoping to go back again today. The pilots

:25:54. > :25:58.union... I am sorry to interrupts... They want the law changed to make it

:25:59. > :26:01.an offensive act. Apologies for interrupting, I think we can hear

:26:02. > :26:17.some of that recording with the pilot right now.

:26:18. > :26:20.A review of mental health services in England has found that the NHS

:26:21. > :26:21.is failing most psychiatric patients.

:26:22. > :26:24.The report, published by a taskforce set up by NHS England,

:26:25. > :26:26.reveals the number of patients killing themselves has soared,

:26:27. > :26:28.three quarters of those with mental conditions are not being helped

:26:29. > :26:30.and sick children are being sent "almost anywhere

:26:31. > :26:35.The report sets out a number of recommendations, including

:26:36. > :26:39.improving access to crisis care and talking therapies.

:26:40. > :26:41.Ministers and health bosses immediately accepted the findings,

:26:42. > :26:47.promising ?1 billion extra funding by 2020 to tackle the problems.

:26:48. > :26:49.Meanwhile, the Royal College of Psychiatrists is warning that

:26:50. > :26:51.there's been a big increase in the number of teenage girls

:26:52. > :26:57.deliberately poisoning themselves with tablets or chemicals as a form

:26:58. > :27:05.A Radio 1 Newsbeat investigation has found that the actual number might

:27:06. > :27:07.be much higher than official figures as many girls don't

:27:08. > :27:11."Lily" is 15 and has been self poisoning herself.

:27:12. > :27:17.She's been speaking to Radio 1 Newsbeat.

:27:18. > :27:25.I think the first overdose that I took was the biggest down.

:27:26. > :27:29.I remember going downstairs and taking the whole packet with me.

:27:30. > :27:32.Being sick on the way to school, and obviously I got worried that

:27:33. > :27:38.And so I told the teacher and the ambulance was called.

:27:39. > :27:41.It was my mum's birthday coming up, I thought that the best birthday

:27:42. > :27:44.present I could give for her was for me not to be here.

:27:45. > :27:47.I felt like a burden, and that I could just go away

:27:48. > :27:53.It gets in your mind, and then you fixate on it,

:27:54. > :27:56.and then you do it, and then you come out and think why

:27:57. > :28:05.Some of the times I take it and I think I'm going to get liver

:28:06. > :28:09.The other times it's just self harming, I should punish myself.

:28:10. > :28:18.I feel like I can talk more, I feel that helps.

:28:19. > :28:21.When I was 12, I wouldn't be talking to you now.

:28:22. > :28:24.I was embarrassed of it, and I still have little episodes

:28:25. > :28:28.but I know when I'm on a down that it will come up.

:28:29. > :28:32.I hope that other people learn that it's OK to talk about it.

:28:33. > :28:37.It's not something to be embarrassed or ashamed of.

:28:38. > :28:39.What do people who've experienced mental health problems

:28:40. > :28:45.Dave Chawner is 27 and is a recovering anorexic,

:28:46. > :28:48.Kathryn Grant is 35 and had postpartum psychosis after the birth

:28:49. > :28:55.of her son James in 2012 and is bipolar.

:28:56. > :28:58.You may remember, we spoke to her last summer during a special

:28:59. > :29:11.programme looking at mental health issues.

:29:12. > :29:16.My hallucinations were so acute, I thought I was dying, I thought

:29:17. > :29:20.perhaps I caused the end of the world in some way. At 1.I thought I

:29:21. > :29:25.was the last person alive in the world. -- one point I thought. I was

:29:26. > :29:31.having solutions around death and dying and I had fixations on panic

:29:32. > :29:34.buttons. I was hospitalised -- having hallucinations are around. I

:29:35. > :29:38.lived in the part of the country where I had access to a mother and

:29:39. > :29:42.baby unit at my beautiful baby boy came with me to the hospital. We

:29:43. > :29:45.ended up being there for three months. I was acutely psychotic for

:29:46. > :29:46.the first four weeks but after that, it got better.

:29:47. > :29:50.She's here along with her 3-year-old son James.

:29:51. > :29:52.Peter Warwick is 49, he has been diagnosed as bipolar.

:29:53. > :29:57.He has tried to take his own life twice in the last eight years.

:29:58. > :30:06.Peter, I would like to start with you. About those incidences, what

:30:07. > :30:12.got you to that point in your life? It was just feeling worthless.

:30:13. > :30:18.And having no one to turn to, no one you thought you could turn to. In

:30:19. > :30:23.fact, there was another one in November, I was hospitalised

:30:24. > :30:27.recently. Three, now. There doesn't have to be a certain trigger, but

:30:28. > :30:32.there can be. And once that trigger hits, it is a downward spiral. A lot

:30:33. > :30:37.of people may perhaps think it is a selfish act, but at that point, you

:30:38. > :30:40.don't think about that. Of course. You just want to end it as quickly

:30:41. > :30:45.as possible. How would you describe the kind of care you have received

:30:46. > :30:51.on those occasions? The care that I received last November was the best

:30:52. > :30:54.I have ever received. I remember, I was... On here before. I actually

:30:55. > :31:02.said I didn't feel I was believed. This time, I was. And it makes such

:31:03. > :31:05.a huge amount of difference. The first two, no, I still maintain

:31:06. > :31:10.that, there is still this lack of disbelief when someone says they are

:31:11. > :31:14.suicidal. Are they attention seeking? From the medical

:31:15. > :31:17.profession? Absolutely. Not from the medical professionals in my

:31:18. > :31:21.experience, I can't speak for everybody. There is still this

:31:22. > :31:25.misnomer that, are you attention seeking? Are you really going to

:31:26. > :31:30.kill yourself, do you one attention or are you going to do it? A lot of,

:31:31. > :31:34.particularly men, I feel, will go down this route. The problem that we

:31:35. > :31:39.now have, if we don't get an injection of cash, what will happen

:31:40. > :31:43.to the treatment? In the report that is out today, talks about the number

:31:44. > :31:47.of suicides rising. He is right, it is fine, he is fine, we welcome him.

:31:48. > :31:51.It talks about the number of suicides rising and in particular

:31:52. > :31:55.female patients and it also talks about psychiatric care for new

:31:56. > :31:59.mothers. That is very criticised. One fifth of new mothers have mental

:32:00. > :32:03.health problems during pregnancy or after. We saw the clip of you from

:32:04. > :32:07.our programme last July, how are you?

:32:08. > :32:19.We are really well at the moment, James and I are doing great. How

:32:20. > :32:25.would you receive the describe decay received? I know how patchy the

:32:26. > :32:29.provision of a new mums and pregnant women are in this country. I was one

:32:30. > :32:36.of the few women who were lucky to get a bed in a specialised mother

:32:37. > :32:41.and baby unit. James Caan is with me. We had the services there, a

:32:42. > :32:47.fantastic consultant psychiatrist. Nursery nurses and specialist mental

:32:48. > :32:53.health nurses and a child psychologist who helped me bond with

:32:54. > :33:00.my baby. Why was bonding with your newborn and issue? For the first

:33:01. > :33:03.four weeks of his life I was psychotic, I was hallucinating, had

:33:04. > :33:19.terrible delusions about death and the end of the world. I had no idea

:33:20. > :33:24.who I was, let alone who James is. When I wasn't psychotic I was

:33:25. > :33:30.anxious and worried about what I had done and the impact it had on him.

:33:31. > :33:36.The psychologist in the unit worked with me to show me that James was

:33:37. > :33:46.fine. He is bright and ugly. We need some more mini Chedjou. -- Boboli.

:33:47. > :33:51.Not all new mums get that. In a wheeled way I was lucky my illness

:33:52. > :34:01.was acute, I was so psychotic I had to be treated as an impatient. A lot

:34:02. > :34:05.of people with a milder form of the illness struggle at home. A lot of

:34:06. > :34:10.GPs don't have the training they need. Dave, told the audience about

:34:11. > :34:19.your own experience in terms of anorexia and the care you receive? I

:34:20. > :34:22.slipped into anorexia went I was 17, so ten years ago. A lot of the

:34:23. > :34:28.things resonate, it was a downward spiral, but I never felt ill enough

:34:29. > :34:34.to get formal therapy. A lot of the stories I had seen about people who

:34:35. > :34:41.were down and out. I never felt qualified enough to go after it. Did

:34:42. > :34:45.you say qualified enough to go and get treatment? You didn't feel you

:34:46. > :34:52.were a legitimate cause for concern? Absolutely. Whenever you see

:34:53. > :35:00.anorexia, you see people who are a bag of bones, the lowest rate and

:35:01. > :35:05.the amount of calories. Anorexia is a competitive thing and I felt like

:35:06. > :35:10.a fraud. It is the kind of thing if you are starving yourself all day

:35:11. > :35:14.and you read someone has gone down to a certain weight and you are

:35:15. > :35:19.above that, you think that maybe you are not anorexic. What about the

:35:20. > :35:25.care you receive, what you decided to take up and what you turned down?

:35:26. > :35:29.I turned down treatment for times because I didn't want to get rid of

:35:30. > :35:35.it will stop I thought it was helping me. It was an addiction. I

:35:36. > :35:41.loved it. Nobody talks about loving anorexia. Even though it was

:35:42. > :35:47.potentially killing you? I knew it was killing me, I wanted it to kill

:35:48. > :35:53.me. It was a short lived enjoyment and I couldn't see how much it was

:35:54. > :35:59.destroying me. What changed things, when did you accept treatment? It

:36:00. > :36:05.was great, I refuse treatment for times and it was the depression that

:36:06. > :36:12.got me. But the mental health nurse said we can treated for depression,

:36:13. > :36:19.but it won't help unless you get rid of the anorexia. Thank God for her.

:36:20. > :36:26.I fill sorry the GPs because they get a lot of bad reports, but the GP

:36:27. > :36:31.said I want to refer you but I don't know if you are ill enough. Back

:36:32. > :36:37.came from a medical professional. Someone who found a lump on their

:36:38. > :36:41.chest, the doctor would not say, let's wait until it is the size of a

:36:42. > :36:47.melon. Like saying you should lose more weight before you qualify for

:36:48. > :36:55.treatment. The serious criticism in this report from the boss of Mind,

:36:56. > :36:58.Paul Farmer Hummet children having to travel miles from home to get

:36:59. > :37:04.psychiatric treatment, new mothers not getting care, the rise in

:37:05. > :37:10.suicides, the government is accepting all of the recommendations

:37:11. > :37:17.and they are putting more money into the services, how do you welcome

:37:18. > :37:22.mat? I am thrilled it is getting discussed, but until we get the

:37:23. > :37:26.money on the ground in services we need, there are still families out

:37:27. > :37:31.there and people struggling. It is all to do with the thresholds, you

:37:32. > :37:35.literally have to be at death's door to get any treatment, at least the

:37:36. > :37:40.right level of treatment. In physical health care, we don't see

:37:41. > :37:46.that. People want to treat cancer early, heart attacks as soon as they

:37:47. > :37:48.happen, strokes. It is interesting you raise the comparison between

:37:49. > :37:53.mental health care and physical care, because for a number of years

:37:54. > :37:57.politicians have been saying, this is what we're doing, they be

:37:58. > :38:03.equivalent. But anecdotally, from people like yourself, it is not

:38:04. > :38:07.happening? It is a point we need to make, as far as we are concerned it

:38:08. > :38:12.is not the same. The longer you leave something, the worse it gets.

:38:13. > :38:17.We have been in the situation where we have been dragged into the

:38:18. > :38:20.hospital and perhaps it needn't have got to that stage, had it been

:38:21. > :38:28.treated before. The report is great where it says about the 20 47 care

:38:29. > :38:30.that is offered, that is fantastic. Talking about counsellors and

:38:31. > :38:39.therapists within GP surgeries as well? It is very much needed. It is

:38:40. > :38:47.a fantastic opportunity, because the less the stigma will be attached to

:38:48. > :38:54.it. Thank you so much. James, you did... He is not bothered what I

:38:55. > :38:57.think. Want to wave to the camera. Thank you, James. Thank you for

:38:58. > :39:00.having us. And we'll be taking a closer look

:39:01. > :39:03.at mental health provision and services throughout the week,

:39:04. > :39:05.in a season of programmes All the details are on our website

:39:06. > :39:10.at bbc dot co dot uk slash in the mind, and you can follow us

:39:11. > :39:13.on social media at hashtag You can follow us on social media as

:39:14. > :39:17.well. Police in Sweden are trying to work

:39:18. > :39:20.out why a car plunged off a bridge, killing all four members of British

:39:21. > :39:23.indie band Viola Beach, Vocalist, Kris Leonard, was 20,

:39:24. > :39:28.guitarist River Reeves and drummer Jack Dakin were 19

:39:29. > :39:31.and bass player Tomas Lowe was 27. They all died in the crash along

:39:32. > :39:34.with their manager Craig Tarry. This is thought to be the last photo

:39:35. > :39:38.taken of the band before they played They were killed in

:39:39. > :39:48.an accident in Sodertalje, 18 miles from the capital Stockholm,

:39:49. > :39:52.in the early hours of Saturday. Police say the car they were in

:39:53. > :39:57.passed queuing traffic and didn't stop at a barrier which had come

:39:58. > :40:01.down, while part of the bridge opened to let a boat pass

:40:02. > :40:09.underneath. So you can see here that the middle

:40:10. > :40:13.part of the bridge lifts without tilting, leaving a big gap

:40:14. > :40:18.and the vehicle dropped 25 metres Viola Beach were being championed

:40:19. > :40:26.by BBC Introducing, which supports undiscovered

:40:27. > :40:29.and unsigned music - this is them performing Swings

:40:30. > :40:32.and Waterslides in session # But we've not,

:40:33. > :41:33.and all I wanna know You met the band a couple of times.

:41:34. > :41:40.A lot of people won't have heard of the band, but they were up and

:41:41. > :41:49.coming? The BBC has discovered some huge talent, Florence And The

:41:50. > :41:54.Machine 's except. This band quickly had supported on Radio 1, they

:41:55. > :42:03.played Reading and Leeds Festival. The BBC were taking them to South by

:42:04. > :42:06.South West in March. The music industry were excited, Young lads

:42:07. > :42:14.back came out of Warrington and there was such a big buzz about

:42:15. > :42:19.them. This was their first gig? Their first gig outside the UK. They

:42:20. > :42:24.had been touring the UK and this was their first gig in Sweden outside of

:42:25. > :42:29.the UK. They were coming back on Friday for a show in Guildford. The

:42:30. > :42:34.plan was to build things up over the next 12 months, so it is incredibly

:42:35. > :42:37.tragic. We have heard reaction from some family members, who were

:42:38. > :42:44.absolutely shocked, understandably. In terms of their fans, they will be

:42:45. > :42:49.feeling the same thing? Yes, we are seeing new fans over the last 24

:42:50. > :42:53.hours with the news and they have been looking at the band. Even

:42:54. > :43:00.within the BBC, music presenters I spoke to yesterday were very upset

:43:01. > :43:06.by it all. It is a real tragedy. But hopefully we will see the song you

:43:07. > :43:11.have just seen go right up to the top of the charts and be a fantastic

:43:12. > :43:15.legacy for the band. Thank you, Jason. Jason Carter from Bbc

:43:16. > :43:30.Introducing. Thank you for your contributions on

:43:31. > :43:35.the debate about Fifa. I didn't read as many as I want to do because we

:43:36. > :43:36.had such prominent guests. But you can watch it back on the programme

:43:37. > :43:52.page. On the programme tomorrow, a rare

:43:53. > :44:21.insight into gang culture in this country. Enjoy the rest of your day.

:44:22. > :44:23.He was taken from me and I've been looking for him ever since.