16/02/2016

:00:07. > :00:08.Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:09. > :00:14.This morning: Gang violence and the searing impact of growing

:00:15. > :00:25.Beere went by that someone didn't die, and that was a good year

:00:26. > :00:27.because I didn't lose someone. That was Lucy Martindale who grew up

:00:28. > :00:30.surrounded by gangs in Brixton This is what happened as she talked

:00:31. > :00:52.to current gang members I know who you are now, and that is

:00:53. > :00:57.cool. I don't want to be incriminated. If I was doing

:00:58. > :00:59.something incriminating, my people don't live round there, such and

:01:00. > :01:01.such. That is different. Also on the programme: From today,

:01:02. > :01:06.BBC Three no longer exists Is this the future or a failing

:01:07. > :01:14.of youth audiences? We'll ask the new

:01:15. > :01:16.controller of BBC Three. And scientists say a potentially

:01:17. > :01:18.revolutionary technique for the treatment of blood cancer

:01:19. > :01:21.has produced extraordinary results We're on BBC Two and the BBC

:01:22. > :01:50.News Channel until 11 this morning. Throughout the programme we will

:01:51. > :01:54.bring you the latest developing and breaking news.

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:01:58. > :01:59.And of course you can watch the programme online wherever

:02:00. > :02:08.you are via the bbc news app or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria.

:02:09. > :02:10.This morning: A rare insight into life in gang

:02:11. > :02:14.Lucy Martindale is 26 years old and grew up in Brixton

:02:15. > :02:25.or friends have been killed as a result of gang violence.

:02:26. > :02:27.She experiences post-traumatic stress disorder and wanted

:02:28. > :02:29.to investigate the impact those kind of brutal,

:02:30. > :02:31.senseless deaths have on people's mental health.

:02:32. > :02:33.This is her take on it - she's been to meet long-standing

:02:34. > :02:44.The year went by that someone didn't die, that was a good year,

:02:45. > :02:50.Now, some people are sadder than others for much longer.

:02:51. > :02:52.When I do sleep, I would have dreams about that same night,

:02:53. > :03:00.that same day when my friend was killed.

:03:01. > :03:03."We are labelling you with this disease, you are diagnosed

:03:04. > :03:06.with this, take this tablet," and now you're taking these tablets,

:03:07. > :03:10.Then you wake up and the sad reality hits you, and it hits you hard.

:03:11. > :03:15.I've had sleep problems ever since, for the past five years,

:03:16. > :03:41.to the point I've needed to take medication.

:03:42. > :03:55.It was quiet, a nice estate until I got to about ten years old,

:03:56. > :03:59.and that's when gangs first started to...

:04:00. > :04:07.It was Sunday afternoon, playing out in the park,

:04:08. > :04:12.loads of other people around, and three or four gang members came

:04:13. > :04:16.along and there was a fight that broke out and then,

:04:17. > :04:22.I saw my cousin on the floor with a screwdriver in his head.

:04:23. > :04:40.Suddenly that's when I learned about this life I didn't know existed.

:04:41. > :04:45.Always getting a call, just hearing, months later,

:04:46. > :04:48.or sometimes immediately, depending, that someone else has been killed

:04:49. > :04:54.that I know, and it just made me more and more sad.

:04:55. > :05:02.That's when I started to get depression.

:05:03. > :05:05.A lot of deaths that have happened is people I grew up with.

:05:06. > :05:08.Not all of them I was with all the time or spoke to,

:05:09. > :05:11.but they were my friends growing up, in the same neighbourhood.

:05:12. > :05:14.Then every year went by that someone didn't die,

:05:15. > :05:19.that was a good year cos you haven't lost someone.

:05:20. > :05:22.The one that sticks in my mind was a young boy, he was 15 years

:05:23. > :05:27.I got a ping on my Blackberry at the time to say he'd been killed.

:05:28. > :05:29.I was just so upset, depressed, couldn't sleep.

:05:30. > :05:44.Something could trigger off a memory, even going past the area,

:05:45. > :05:48.someone saying something just brings flashbacks,

:05:49. > :05:53.and I've had sleep problems ever since, for the past five years,

:05:54. > :06:06.to the point I've needed to take medication.

:06:07. > :06:09.The first time with the mental health services I was roughly

:06:10. > :06:16.I was given tablets, one counselling session,

:06:17. > :06:21.then another death happened, then you feel worse,

:06:22. > :06:23.and then the killings just keep going on.

:06:24. > :06:27.In the end, I just felt like I was going to have a breakdown.

:06:28. > :06:31.I'm 26 now, and each year since I was 12 a friend or relative

:06:32. > :06:39.In London, this type of violence is more likely to affect my

:06:40. > :06:51.community, the young black inner-city community.

:06:52. > :06:55.So I wanted to speak to gang members to ask them how they think this

:06:56. > :06:57.level of violence impacts on their mental health.

:06:58. > :07:00.It was difficult to get them to talk to us, but we found

:07:01. > :07:05.Remember, people are not depressed, you know?

:07:06. > :07:08.We go through highs, we go through lows,

:07:09. > :07:10.we go through money, then we go through being broke,

:07:11. > :07:22.Now, some people are sadder than others for much longer.

:07:23. > :07:25.Maybe I'm stronger in mindframe than he is, so he'll be sadder

:07:26. > :07:33.But what it is now, you'll go to the doctors and they'll just say,

:07:34. > :07:35."Yes, we are labelling you with this disease,

:07:36. > :07:37.you are diagnosed with this, take this tablet."

:07:38. > :07:42.And now you're taking these tablets, it has messed up completely.

:07:43. > :07:44.And then you want to label him a madman?!

:07:45. > :07:50.You adapt to your surroundings, so it does affect people.

:07:51. > :07:58.Some cases, a minority, it's been wrong place,

:07:59. > :08:04.wrong time, or it hasn't been premeditated.

:08:05. > :08:06.Maybe the fight had broken out and then a bottle was broken

:08:07. > :08:14.Don't get me wrong, some people do go out there and they want to go

:08:15. > :08:16.and kill people, like, "This is my motive,

:08:17. > :08:20.But what I'm saying to you is now, in other circumstances,

:08:21. > :08:26.HEATED CHAT OFF-CAMERA: We'll be pretty quick.

:08:27. > :08:30.Saying, "Why man filming him and looking at...?"

:08:31. > :08:39.You saying move from the block... You get me, son?

:08:40. > :08:43.I know who you are now, it's cool. It's over.

:08:44. > :08:48.I'm not even answering that question, I'm answering the question

:08:49. > :08:52.There could have been a situation now, but I'm not that stupid.

:08:53. > :08:54.But obviously I felt like I was being disturbed.

:08:55. > :09:00.If I was doing something incriminating and a man told me,

:09:01. > :09:02."You're doing something incriminating round here,

:09:03. > :09:05.my people that live around here, such and such," that's

:09:06. > :09:08.I'm not doing nothing incriminating, so, if anything,

:09:09. > :09:16.The altercation showed us how quickly a situation could escalate

:09:17. > :09:21.into violence, which is something that often leads to a death

:09:22. > :09:25.I came to meet Junior, who had personal experience

:09:26. > :09:35.I was never in a gang, but at the same time I was,

:09:36. > :09:38.to some extent, influenced by gangs because of some of the situations

:09:39. > :09:45.Could you tell me what happened when you were at school?

:09:46. > :09:50.It was the last day of our GCSEs, and we were being kids

:09:51. > :09:53.on the last day, you know, writing on each other's tops,

:09:54. > :09:58.water balloons, eggs, being silly, whatnot.

:09:59. > :10:02.Then, like, a fight broke out between two of my friends.

:10:03. > :10:07.Next thing I knew, one of my friends just collapsed and fell

:10:08. > :10:10.on the floor, and we were like, "Huh?"

:10:11. > :10:13.He's gasping, holding onto his neck, gasping, trying to breathe,

:10:14. > :10:21.Then we saw the holes and stuff like that, "Oh my God,

:10:22. > :10:25.So we're all surrounding him, trying to keep him alive,

:10:26. > :10:27.mouth-to-mouth, holding his hand, telling him, "Bruv, just breathe

:10:28. > :10:30.with us, don't go, bruv, just stay with us, stay with us,"

:10:31. > :10:37.What is it like to witness something like that?

:10:38. > :10:45.It's like, one minute you're just being a kid and thinking,

:10:46. > :10:47."The world is my oyster, I'm never gonna die,

:10:48. > :10:50.I love life, life is fun, fun and games."

:10:51. > :10:54.Next thing, it's like, "Hold on, this only happens

:10:55. > :10:56.This isn't meant to happen to us."

:10:57. > :11:05.It's really traumatic, and it puts a lot of

:11:06. > :11:12.I'd have sleepless nights, and when I do sleep I'd have dreams

:11:13. > :11:16.about that same night, that same day when my friend was killed.

:11:17. > :11:26.But my nightmares would be like, rather than him dying,

:11:27. > :11:38.he survived it, or somehow I was able to prevent it,

:11:39. > :11:39.then we laughed about it afterwards, then I managed to make

:11:40. > :11:46.Then you wake up and the sad reality hits you, and it hits you hard.

:11:47. > :11:48.For me, personally, it made me less afraid to die,

:11:49. > :11:53.I was a lot more hot tempered, a lot more hot tempered.

:11:54. > :11:59.I reacted violently to a lot of situations that could have been

:12:00. > :12:02.resolved with just a good talking to, telling them about themselves,

:12:03. > :12:05.but I realised that I kind of lost control of my emotions.

:12:06. > :12:08.We got into a lot of altercations and into a lot of trouble,

:12:09. > :12:11.because we were finding it hard to deal with the aftermath of losing

:12:12. > :12:25.Even though some might say, "Hold on, what's your friend dying

:12:26. > :12:28.got to do with you robbing people with guns and stuff like that?"

:12:29. > :12:30.It's because we're angry, we were hurting.

:12:31. > :12:34.At the time, it was just like, "Life is short and somebody can take

:12:35. > :12:37.it, and before I let you take me out, I'm going to take you out,"

:12:38. > :12:41.because I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.

:12:42. > :12:43.When you went to prison, did the police, prison officers

:12:44. > :12:52.or probation offer you any help for your medical needs?

:12:53. > :12:55.I wouldn't say I was offered any help, no.

:12:56. > :12:58.What about your friends, did you all talk about the way

:12:59. > :13:01.Yeah, we more or less counselled each other.

:13:02. > :13:04.Although, in terms of my flashbacks and the dreams I had,

:13:05. > :13:12.things like that, I never did speak to them about that.

:13:13. > :13:14.When I was younger, I would have liked to have had opportunities

:13:15. > :13:17.where I could channel my feelings, whether it's through music,

:13:18. > :13:24.So I think there needs to be more in place to actually support these

:13:25. > :13:28.youngsters with their dreams, because if no-one's there

:13:29. > :13:58.to actually stimulate these youngsters, the streets

:13:59. > :14:41.Anything could happen to you. These young men need help, but they are

:14:42. > :14:50.too ashamed to ask for this help. We'll speak to Lucy Martindale

:14:51. > :14:52.about the issues raised by her film If you have witnessed gang violence

:14:53. > :14:59.tell me what you have seen and the impact on you and those

:15:00. > :15:20.around you and I'll read out Comments from people already. John

:15:21. > :15:27.on Facebook says, are you wanting us to feel sorry for them? What about

:15:28. > :15:30.the ex-military, they suffer from PTSD because they have served their

:15:31. > :15:35.country, where as these Muppets just want to look tough to their mates.

:15:36. > :15:39.James on Twitter says absolutely horrendous. I saw the same when I

:15:40. > :15:45.lived in the USA. Brenda on Twitter says, gangs are sometimes helped by

:15:46. > :15:50.certain laws, making life difficult for poorer people helps banks earn

:15:51. > :15:59.money. We need a big rethink. Keep them coming in.

:16:00. > :16:03.From today if you want to watch BBC Three you'll have

:16:04. > :16:05.to find your favourite programmes online -

:16:06. > :16:08.the channel reached a quarter of 16-24 year olds, so are younger

:16:09. > :16:15.A commuter, accused of sexually assaulting a well-known actress

:16:16. > :16:18.as he brushed past her at Waterloo station,

:16:19. > :16:22.says his prosecution was "preposterous".

:16:23. > :16:25.CCTV footage showed they passed each other in just half a second,

:16:26. > :16:27.yet Mark Pearson was arrested and put on trial.

:16:28. > :16:30.The jury found him innocent in just 90 minutes.

:16:31. > :16:31.He'll be with me in the studio shortly.

:16:32. > :16:37.David Cameron has arrived in Brussels, where he's hoping

:16:38. > :16:39.to secure more support for his plans to change Britain's relationship

:16:40. > :16:56.All 28 European leaders meet on Thursday to try to meet a deal. One

:16:57. > :16:59.EU leader has described the talks as being at a critical stage.

:17:00. > :17:01.Scientists believe they may have made a breakthrough

:17:02. > :17:03.with what they're describing as a potentially revolutionary

:17:04. > :17:07.Researchers say they've had an unprecedented success rate

:17:08. > :17:09.of more than 90% in achieving complete remission,

:17:10. > :17:13.in terminally-ill patients with advanced blood cancers.

:17:14. > :17:15.The results are really quite remarkable.

:17:16. > :17:18.So we are treating patients who failed all other therapies.

:17:19. > :17:21.They failed chemotherapy, bone marrow transplants often

:17:22. > :17:28.and really they don't have many treatment options left.

:17:29. > :17:35.The United Nations special envoy to Syria, will meet th country's

:17:36. > :17:37.The United Nations special envoy to Syria, will meet the country's

:17:38. > :17:42.The UN says the bombing of two schools and four hospitals

:17:43. > :17:44.yesterday, thought to have been carried out by Russia,

:17:45. > :17:48.The British singer, Ed Sheeran, has won the Song of the Year

:17:49. > :17:53.and Best Pop Solo performance at the Grammy Awards in Los Angeles.

:17:54. > :18:02.Taylor Swift wins Best album, the first female artist to win it twice.

:18:03. > :18:06.And Lady Gaga performed a medley of hits to her hero, David Bowie, who

:18:07. > :18:18.died in January. A leopard has escaped from a zoo.

:18:19. > :18:19.Wildlife is experts are trying to recapture the animal before it does

:18:20. > :18:21.any Let's catch up with all

:18:22. > :18:32.the sport now and join Hugh. Ronnie O'Sullivan has divided the

:18:33. > :18:37.nation? Yes, imagine if somebody said here is a scratchcard or a

:18:38. > :18:43.raffle, you have the chance of winning ?10,000, completely free.

:18:44. > :18:49.You take it? Not if you are Ronnie O'Sullivan, he has decided to turn

:18:50. > :18:55.his nose up at the prize of 147 break and made a 146 instead. He

:18:56. > :18:59.said that prize money wasn't enough. He has been labelled this

:19:00. > :19:03.respectful. We will be talking about that just after ten a.m.. We will be

:19:04. > :19:07.looking ahead to the Champions League, Chelsea have a difficult tie

:19:08. > :19:12.against Paris Saint-Germain and they will have to do it without their

:19:13. > :19:16.captain, John Terry. This heading things he has huge confidence in

:19:17. > :19:22.those who will be playing. He will be a big mess. While we're talking

:19:23. > :19:26.about PSG, their owners are in talk with David Beckham's proposed team

:19:27. > :19:31.in Miami over buying a stake in the club. He ended his career with the

:19:32. > :19:34.French club PSG. We will be talking about sale sharks and their fans

:19:35. > :19:40.won't be happy to see Danny Cipriani moved back to the wasps. Fly who

:19:41. > :19:44.resurrected his career in the north of England, now going to return home

:19:45. > :19:49.to his first professional club at the end of the season. At deal

:19:50. > :19:55.reportedly worth ?300,000 a week. We will have more later. Let me know

:19:56. > :20:00.what you think about what Ronnie O'Sullivan did.

:20:01. > :20:02.The latest inflation figures which measure the rate of increase

:20:03. > :20:05.in prices for goods and services have just been released.

:20:06. > :20:09.Our business correspondent Andy Verity can tell us more.

:20:10. > :20:15.We have got inflation, which is higher than it has been for more

:20:16. > :20:21.than a year at what it is still only no .3%. If you can remember the

:20:22. > :20:28.1970s, which I can only just. What you were you born? I remember mars

:20:29. > :20:35.bars going up, 1969. It has been wobbling around between -.1 for the

:20:36. > :20:40.whole of the last year. Now it is .3%. It reflects an average for

:20:41. > :20:45.goods and services. Goods have been falling in price, where as services

:20:46. > :20:49.have been going up. The main goods that have been falling, petrol and

:20:50. > :20:53.food, are not falling as fast, so they are not weighing down the

:20:54. > :20:58.average as much. Part of the reason is, until now we have been looking

:20:59. > :21:01.back at the oil price fall which started petrol prices falling last

:21:02. > :21:06.January. Now this is January compared with the previous January

:21:07. > :21:09.compared with December to December, we have less of that effect. So we

:21:10. > :21:16.are starting to see inflation going up will stop at it is still too low

:21:17. > :21:20.for the Bank of England's targets. Too low to make any incursion on

:21:21. > :21:27.reducing the value of our debts and still problematic because it is so

:21:28. > :21:31.low. Why is it problematic? To a lot of consumers, it seems great that

:21:32. > :21:35.prices are low because wages are not rising by very much. But it is

:21:36. > :21:40.thought to be healthy to have a bit of inflation in an economy. Think

:21:41. > :21:45.about going back to the 70s, if you took a mortgage out of ?5,000, it

:21:46. > :21:59.was a huge amount of money. By 1980, you had inflation is of wages, your

:22:00. > :22:01.mortgage hadn't inflated. But if you don't have inflation, your debts

:22:02. > :22:07.hang around and they become less manageable. Thank you, reckons he

:22:08. > :22:10.can remember the 1970s. Scientists believe they may

:22:11. > :22:12.have made a breakthrough with what they're describing

:22:13. > :22:14.as a potentially revolutionary You may have heard that headline

:22:15. > :22:22.before, but listen to the details. It's being reported that 94 per cent

:22:23. > :22:27.of terminal leukaemia patients taking part in a trial went

:22:28. > :22:30.into complete remission after testing a therapy that uses

:22:31. > :22:32.the body's own immune cells That's an unprecedented rate -

:22:33. > :22:37.but it is important to point out that so far that their work hasn't

:22:38. > :22:42.been peer reviewed - thoroughly checked by a group

:22:43. > :22:47.of experts in the same field. So although the work is in it's very

:22:48. > :22:50.early stages, it's hoped the same technique could eventually be used

:22:51. > :22:52.against a wide variety The lead scientist

:22:53. > :22:58.involved in the research, Professor Stanley Riddell

:22:59. > :23:01.of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer research Centre in Seattle,

:23:02. > :23:06.explains how the technique works. Treating patients with acute

:23:07. > :23:32.lymphoblastic leukaemia, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and chronic

:23:33. > :23:33.lymphacidic leukaemia so that is an important point,

:23:34. > :23:36.these are all blood cancers. We are targeting

:23:37. > :23:38.a molecule on the cell's The results are really

:23:39. > :23:40.quite remarkable. We are treating

:23:41. > :23:42.patients who failed all So they failed

:23:43. > :23:44.chemotherapy, bone marrow Really, they don't have

:23:45. > :23:47.very many treatment In the acute lymphoblastic

:23:48. > :23:50.leukaemia cohort, we are seeing complete

:23:51. > :23:51.remission rates of 93%. In the non-Hodgkin's lymphoma,

:23:52. > :23:54.when we have optimised the dose and the regiment we are using,

:23:55. > :23:56.we're now getting complete remissions in about 64%

:23:57. > :23:58.of those patients. These are really remarkable results

:23:59. > :24:07.for an early case study, so they are obviously

:24:08. > :24:08.very encouraging We still recognise

:24:09. > :24:12.we have a long way to go to make this even better,

:24:13. > :24:15.but certainly the initial results And we'll be talking

:24:16. > :24:18.to Cancer Research UK later in our programme to find out if this

:24:19. > :24:25.is as revolutionary as it sounds. That's Mark Pearson's view

:24:26. > :24:29.of the criminal case brought against him for walking

:24:30. > :24:31.through Waterloo Underground station in London on his usual commute home,

:24:32. > :24:34.passing and possibly brushing against a woman who turned out to be

:24:35. > :24:37.a well-known actress. She accused him of a serious sexual

:24:38. > :24:39.assault and of landing Despite there being no witnesses,

:24:40. > :24:45.even in this crowded station, and CCTV footage showing they passed

:24:46. > :24:48.each other in just half a second, It took the jury 90

:24:49. > :25:08.minutes to acquit him. As it is half term and we can go

:25:09. > :25:14.into some detail, some of you may not want your young children to hear

:25:15. > :25:19.this interview. We will be talking for about six minutes or so, just to

:25:20. > :25:24.let you know. Welcome to the programme. What happened on this

:25:25. > :25:30.commute? I have no memory of it, it was just another boring day going

:25:31. > :25:33.home from work. When the police knocked on your door a couple of

:25:34. > :25:38.months later, what did they say? What did you think? They said, we

:25:39. > :25:44.are arresting you for a sexual assault. I said, what are we talking

:25:45. > :25:47.about rape? They said we cannot tell you any more, we will take you to

:25:48. > :25:54.the station and you will be interviewed. The impact was what?

:25:55. > :25:57.Total shock, I couldn't stop shaking all the way to the police station.

:25:58. > :26:04.Then they explained a little bit more, what did they tell you at that

:26:05. > :26:08.point? They showed you a blurry CCTV image which they said was me, but I

:26:09. > :26:13.couldn't be sure. I just assumed I was being mistaken for somebody

:26:14. > :26:17.else. I presumed they would look at the footage and realise it wasn't

:26:18. > :26:23.me. Let's have a look at this CCTV footage. Are you able to explain for

:26:24. > :26:28.our audience what is going on? I didn't see this footage until six

:26:29. > :26:33.months after I was arrested, so I wasn't sure if I was being mistaken

:26:34. > :26:37.for somebody else. It is definitely me and walking to the concourse

:26:38. > :26:42.towards the Jubilee line, about 20 metres or so from the barriers. I

:26:43. > :26:49.take about half a second to walk past this woman, who I have never

:26:50. > :26:59.met before, I have no recall. Half a second? Yes, we had it analysed by

:27:00. > :27:05.NX bird. There it is again. He worked out that I couldn't have

:27:06. > :27:11.taken more than half a second. You have a newspaper in your right hand,

:27:12. > :27:16.a rucksack over your shoulder, you are holding the strap. The hand I am

:27:17. > :27:20.supposed to have sexually assaulted her with was the hand I was carrying

:27:21. > :27:26.the newspaper in. What did the police say she had said you were

:27:27. > :27:33.actually accused of doing? A sexual assault. I don't know if I am

:27:34. > :27:36.allowed to say penetration with fingers through clothing. I am

:27:37. > :27:41.supposed to have pushed her clothing through and into her. How did you

:27:42. > :27:49.react to that when the police told you that? I would never do anything

:27:50. > :27:52.like that, people that know me, when I told them they laughed because

:27:53. > :27:59.they know it is not my character. I would never do anything to hurt

:28:00. > :28:05.anybody. When you saw this CCTV properly and finally, where you're

:28:06. > :28:10.relieved? Did you think, thank God it will be chucked out and it is

:28:11. > :28:14.ridiculous. I knew it was me on there, so I assumed they must have

:28:15. > :28:18.looked at it and assumed it wasn't me that did this thing because I am

:28:19. > :28:23.walking consistently, I don't go anywhere near her, really, I just

:28:24. > :28:30.passed her. So when you charge, then what? A Moly rubble, it was the

:28:31. > :28:33.worst day of my life because I was being charged for something I hadn't

:28:34. > :28:37.done. I couldn't understand why they couldn't see I hadn't done it. It is

:28:38. > :28:41.pretty obvious I hadn't done anything by those images. Did you

:28:42. > :28:46.get a feeling from police officers they were slightly bewildered by

:28:47. > :28:51.this case? When I was interviewed, they were bemused as I was.

:28:52. > :28:56.Obviously, they didn't know. Who do you hold responsible for taking the

:28:57. > :29:02.case to trial? The CPS. They should have looked at the evidence and

:29:03. > :29:07.concluded, as everyone else has, I couldn't have done it. But for some

:29:08. > :29:11.reason, they brought it to trial. The CPS only bring a case when they

:29:12. > :29:15.believe there is a realistic chance of conviction? They are supposed to

:29:16. > :29:21.think they will get more than 50% of conviction. They say in a statement

:29:22. > :29:25.there was sufficient evidence for this case to proceed to court and

:29:26. > :29:31.progress to trial. We respect the decision of the jury. I still don't

:29:32. > :29:38.know what that evidence was. I haven't been told. I haven't been

:29:39. > :29:44.given an apology. No explanation! When the charge is brought and you

:29:45. > :29:49.know you are going to face a trial and be there in front of a jury, are

:29:50. > :29:53.the moments you think, although you have already said he felt it was

:29:54. > :29:57.bizarre, bewildering and preposterous, do you think you might

:29:58. > :30:05.actually be found guilty? That would have been a realistic prospect had

:30:06. > :30:13.we not had a brilliant barrister, Mark Bagshaw and the CCTV expert. If

:30:14. > :30:17.it wasn't for that, I might have gone to prison and been on a sex

:30:18. > :30:22.offender's register. You must think you cannot trust the system?

:30:23. > :30:26.Exactly, you don't know where it will end. New Year about cases where

:30:27. > :30:30.people have been wrongly convicted and you think, this could happen to

:30:31. > :30:36.me. When the jury came back would not guilty, how did you respond?

:30:37. > :30:39.Relief, but I was numb because I couldn't understand why I went

:30:40. > :30:44.through that process to start with. The jury smiled at me and I was

:30:45. > :30:49.thankful for that. But I still had no idea why it happened at all. What

:30:50. > :30:54.impact would you say it has had on you and also your partner?

:30:55. > :31:00.Traumatic, I have had therapy, anxiety, sleepless night. Night

:31:01. > :31:07.sweats. Nightmares, everything. Does it feel like it is over now, can you

:31:08. > :31:11.draw a line under it? No, because I still haven't found out why it

:31:12. > :31:18.happened. You may never? We have written to the CPS, Alison Saunders,

:31:19. > :31:27.asking for an interview. We have still got to get a reply. So, until,

:31:28. > :31:32.if and until you get that, you are waiting for that explanation? I am

:31:33. > :31:38.expected to just get on with my life, but I feel I can't.

:31:39. > :31:47.We know that in sexual assault cases, the complainant is allowed to

:31:48. > :31:54.be anonymous, that is the law. But your name is out there, you go

:31:55. > :31:59.through a case, you are found not guilty, thank goodness, you would

:32:00. > :32:03.say. Do you believe, as others do, that somebody like you should be

:32:04. > :32:08.able to remain anonymous? My case was slightly different in that

:32:09. > :32:12.nobody knew who I was, and it was my choice to tell the media about this

:32:13. > :32:15.case because I didn't want it to happen to other people, and for all

:32:16. > :32:20.I know it could be happening right now to other people, but I was

:32:21. > :32:24.determined to try to stop that. So it is not quite the same situation

:32:25. > :32:29.with me. I'd back what about the principal? Generally I agree that I

:32:30. > :32:36.should have remained anonymous. And do you think that is just sexual

:32:37. > :32:39.assault cases, or all cases? All cases. Thank you very much for

:32:40. > :32:43.talking to us. Lucy Martindale is 26

:32:44. > :32:48.and from South London - already she's lost 10 family members

:32:49. > :32:51.and friends to gang-related violence - she talks to us about

:32:52. > :33:04.the devastating impact of growing up That's a little late on in the

:33:05. > :33:08.programme. David Cameron is in Belgium today, just about to begin

:33:09. > :33:11.another meeting with European leaders in Brussels hoping to

:33:12. > :33:14.convince them to back his renegotiation of Britain's

:33:15. > :33:18.relationship with the EU. For many of you, what you are looking for

:33:19. > :33:25.from the deal Mr Cameron is trying to hammer out on the in-out

:33:26. > :33:29.referendum in the summer is awaited bring down the number of people

:33:30. > :33:35.moving to Britain, the number of immigrants. Norman Smith has been

:33:36. > :33:44.sorting out what is fact and what is fiction on immigration and the EU.

:33:45. > :33:50.For many, immigration is the key issue in this referendum. Put

:33:51. > :33:55.simply, many fear there are too many EU migrants coming here. So is the

:33:56. > :34:00.European Union part of the problem, or part of the solution? Here is my

:34:01. > :34:03.take on the euro facts and euro fiction. Let's start with the EU

:34:04. > :34:06.rule book. Freedom of movement,

:34:07. > :34:08.it's one of the basic Well, it means, if you're an EU

:34:09. > :34:16.citizen, you can live and work It means there's nothing -

:34:17. > :34:21.zilch, rien - the Government can do to bar EU citizens from coming here,

:34:22. > :34:29.and that's a Euro fact. Here's my Euro calculator,

:34:30. > :34:43.so let's do the figures. Last year, net immigration reached

:34:44. > :34:45.a record high of 336,000. Of these, more than half came

:34:46. > :34:48.from the EU, that's 180,000. So, immigration from the rest

:34:49. > :35:01.of the EU is significant, and is rising fast, and that's

:35:02. > :35:11.another Euro fact. But should we be concerned that

:35:12. > :35:13.they're coming here The Government paid ?30 million

:35:14. > :35:24.in child benefit in 2014 to families with children living abroad, and,

:35:25. > :35:26.of these, two-thirds But more than 90% say they've come

:35:27. > :35:42.to Britain to find work or study, and only around 2% -

:35:43. > :35:45.just 2% - end up unemployed. That would suggest it's a Euro

:35:46. > :35:48.fiction to say most come to live on benefits, even though tax credits

:35:49. > :35:51.may boost their wages in Britain. Are EU migrants putting too great

:35:52. > :35:56.a strain on our public services? Let's take two for an example -

:35:57. > :36:02.schools and hospitals. There are over 1 million children

:36:03. > :36:04.in schools in England who have This has more than doubled

:36:05. > :36:10.since 1997, but these figures are for all pupils,

:36:11. > :36:15.not just EU migrants. Here, the Government estimate

:36:16. > :36:22.the total cost of the use of the NHS But these figures include

:36:23. > :36:31.anyone who isn't British, so students, workers on visas,

:36:32. > :36:34.tourists, immigrants, expats popping back

:36:35. > :36:40.to see their old GP. So the bill for EU migrants,

:36:41. > :36:42.who tend to be younger and healthier, is likely

:36:43. > :36:47.to be a fraction of that. There may not be a Euro fiction,

:36:48. > :36:51.but there aren't many Euro facts to prove EU migrants are a costly

:36:52. > :37:05.burden on public services. And we will talk to Norman live

:37:06. > :37:09.later in the programme. We also have another two films from him later in

:37:10. > :37:12.the week looking at fact or fiction when it comes to the cost of

:37:13. > :37:16.Britain's EU membership on and looking at red tape in the EU, those

:37:17. > :37:20.will be tomorrow and Thursday. The Metropolitan Police

:37:21. > :37:21.Commissioner, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, is due to meet the widow

:37:22. > :37:24.of Lord Brittan today to discuss Scotland Yard's

:37:25. > :37:26.investigations into the late Police interviewed Lord Brittan

:37:27. > :37:32.about a historical allegation of rape,

:37:33. > :37:34.but the former Home Secretary died last year, without knowing

:37:35. > :37:36.the outcome of the case. Jenny Jones is the Deputy Chair

:37:37. > :37:39.of the London Assembly's Police and Crime Committee and joins

:37:40. > :37:50.us from Dorchester. What do you think about this meeting

:37:51. > :37:53.that is scheduled for today, and what do you think Sir Bernard

:37:54. > :38:00.Hogan-Howe should he saying to Lord Britain's widow? I think this is

:38:01. > :38:04.dangerous territory. The Met is very limited in its apologies normally,

:38:05. > :38:09.and I am concerned that he is feeling pressure from people like

:38:10. > :38:14.the Home Secretary and MPs to apologise for the investigation, and

:38:15. > :38:16.I hope he doesn't do that. There was an investigation into the

:38:17. > :38:21.investigation, and the report says the network fully justified in

:38:22. > :38:25.investigating the claims, and had ample reasonable grounds for

:38:26. > :38:29.interviewing Lord Brittan. I'm assuming the commission might

:38:30. > :38:35.apologise for just not having told Lord Brittan that they were not

:38:36. > :38:41.continuing with it, but I very much hope it doesn't go any further than

:38:42. > :38:45.that. So you believe you should have told, all the Metropolitan Police

:38:46. > :38:49.should have told Lord Brittan before he died at the inquiry was not going

:38:50. > :38:52.to be taken further? It is difficult to know, because I don't have a

:38:53. > :38:58.clear idea of the timeline yet, and I'm not sure anybody has really laid

:38:59. > :39:04.it all out. But if the net is going to start apologising for whatever,

:39:05. > :39:08.then there are all sorts of other people they should be apologising

:39:09. > :39:12.to, for example there were innocent women who had their lives ruined by

:39:13. > :39:15.undercover police officers making relationships with them and having

:39:16. > :39:17.children with them. I would have thought they were very good

:39:18. > :39:23.candidates for apologies, but once the Met goes down the line, it is

:39:24. > :39:26.very dangerous for them, and I hope the commission is very careful about

:39:27. > :39:32.what he says to Lord Brittan's widow. Can I ask you about the

:39:33. > :39:36.comments that Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe made last week, perhaps they should

:39:37. > :39:42.be a shift towards complainants when it comes in particular to historical

:39:43. > :39:45.sexual abuse allegations, sexual offence allegations, involving

:39:46. > :39:50.high-profile figures. That his officers should not immediately

:39:51. > :39:55.believe them, that there should be a shift in the way officers deal with

:39:56. > :39:59.such complainants? To me, that sounds like quite a backward step

:40:00. > :40:03.because it is hard enough, it has been hard enough the past, to get

:40:04. > :40:08.the Met to take rape allegations seriously, and a lot of women have

:40:09. > :40:12.suffered from that because they are not believed. So I think they have

:40:13. > :40:18.got it about right at the moment, because one of the things we noticed

:40:19. > :40:22.with other high-profile offenders in this way was that once it is known

:40:23. > :40:26.that they are being examined by the police, then other people come

:40:27. > :40:30.forward with their stories, and it makes a much more creditable case.

:40:31. > :40:34.So I would advise the commission and against making any move to change

:40:35. > :40:38.things from the way they are at the moment.

:40:39. > :40:40.Thank you for coming on the programme, Baroness Jenny Jones,

:40:41. > :40:43.David Beattie chair of the London assembly police and it evil.

:40:44. > :40:46.Still to come today: Ronnie o'Sullivan passes up the chance

:40:47. > :40:48.of a ?10,000 maximum break prize - why?

:40:49. > :40:50.Well, in his words, it was "too cheap".

:40:51. > :40:52.He's been called disrespectful - so what do you think?

:40:53. > :41:06.Lots of you have got in touch. Ronnie O'Sullivan is disgusting, he

:41:07. > :41:12.could have donated ten grams to help the heroes of any cancer charity. He

:41:13. > :41:20.is an attention seeker. Dave on tweeter says, Ronnie is a legend, I

:41:21. > :41:24.love watching him. It is coming up to ten o'clock, so it is time for

:41:25. > :41:32.the weather, time for this walk that I do when Carol is here. It is cold,

:41:33. > :41:39.and I have had enough! Do something about it!

:41:40. > :41:45.You are always complaining about my weather! As you say, it is still in

:41:46. > :41:51.negative figures in Cardiff, Exeter, Birmingham, but Edinburgh and

:41:52. > :41:54.Belfast much milder. The reason for that is there is more cloud around,

:41:55. > :41:59.and we also have some rain, so the climax acting like a blanket, and

:42:00. > :42:01.you can see the clear skies across England and Wales which has allowed

:42:02. > :42:14.the temperatures to tumble overnight. We have some of our

:42:15. > :42:21.viewer s' pictures to show. I was up earlier than that!

:42:22. > :42:28.Also a beautiful sunrise in Wales, in Conwy, look at those gorgeous

:42:29. > :42:32.colours. And in Anglesey, a little more cloud coming in from the west,

:42:33. > :42:43.and as we moved inland, we had clearer skies. And in

:42:44. > :42:48.Worcestershire, frost, temperatures -4, even -7 in parts of England, so

:42:49. > :42:53.hardly surprising that we saw a frost. That seems like this are not

:42:54. > :42:59.really unfamiliar at this time of year in Scotland, and there is snow

:43:00. > :43:03.lying and more snow in the forecast. And not necessarily just for

:43:04. > :43:07.Scotland. So it is coming south?

:43:08. > :43:19.Yes, it is. See you later. Today we do have some rain as well

:43:20. > :43:22.as some Hilssner, and the whole lot is continuing to drift steadily

:43:23. > :43:27.southwards. The rain coming in across the north and west

:43:28. > :43:31.accompanied by gusty winds, gust of 60 mph across the Outer Hebrides

:43:32. > :43:35.this morning. You can see showers developing ahead of the band of

:43:36. > :43:38.rain, so that rain and wind will very slowly moved south-east through

:43:39. > :43:42.the course of the day, eventually getting into the far north-west of

:43:43. > :43:46.England, but generally speaking from most of England and Wales it will be

:43:47. > :43:51.a gorgeous day with crisp winter sunshine. Even into the afternoon,

:43:52. > :43:55.we will have that combination of windy and wet weather, and also the

:43:56. > :44:03.Hilssner across Scotland. For Northern Ireland, we will see it

:44:04. > :44:08.fairly persistent, but move away from the West, backing to sunnier

:44:09. > :44:13.skies, and that Fairweather cloud, it will feel nippy with light

:44:14. > :44:20.breezes, but temperatures are roughly where they should be, and we

:44:21. > :44:24.are looking at temperatures of between five and eight as we head

:44:25. > :44:27.through the South. This same band of rain is very slowly heading

:44:28. > :44:31.south-east, depositing some sleet and snow on the Pennines, and we

:44:32. > :44:35.will see some snow even at lower levels across parts of Scotland and

:44:36. > :44:38.Northern Ireland. In the far south-east, where we remain under

:44:39. > :44:42.clearer skies, we are looking at a touch of frost, but it is not going

:44:43. > :44:47.to be as cold and night as the one that has just gone. We start the

:44:48. > :44:51.forecast with all of this tomorrow, the rain continuing to edge

:44:52. > :44:55.southwards, and of the day, increasingly we will see some of the

:44:56. > :44:58.snow at lower levels, even across the Southern uplands and parts of

:44:59. > :45:04.northern England, Wales and even in towards the Midlands. It is a risk,

:45:05. > :45:09.but I would rather tell you about it than not. But find this weather

:45:10. > :45:16.front, and mixture of sunshine and showers, and some of the showers

:45:17. > :45:19.will have a wintry feel. By the time we get to Wednesday evening and

:45:20. > :45:22.overnight, the band of rain continues to age down towards the

:45:23. > :45:26.south-east, still snow embedded in it as well, largely on the hills,

:45:27. > :45:30.but don't be surprised if you wake up on Thursday morning to a little

:45:31. > :45:36.covering of snow. Again it will be cold and frosty, and eventually that

:45:37. > :45:40.pulls away, it turns a little milder.

:45:41. > :45:42.Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:45:43. > :45:45.If you've just joined us, coming up before 11:00am...

:45:46. > :45:48.This morning: a rare insight to gang violence and impact it has to those

:45:49. > :45:52.If a year went by that someone didn't die, that was a good year

:45:53. > :45:56.That was Lucy Martindale, who grew up surrounded by gangs

:45:57. > :46:00.This is what happened as she talked to current gang members

:46:01. > :46:33.Could have been a situation, but obviously I'm not that stupid.

:46:34. > :46:36.If I was doing something incriminating

:46:37. > :46:38.round here, my people don't live around here,

:46:39. > :46:41.Scientists say a new therapy being developed for the treatment

:46:42. > :46:43.of cancer could provide a long-lasting vaccine-like response

:46:44. > :46:56.And Taylor Swift makes a big impact at the Grammys -

:46:57. > :47:00.But it was Adele who stole the show despite having technical

:47:01. > :47:08.difficulties. It's time for the main

:47:09. > :47:09.news this morning. David Cameron is holding a series

:47:10. > :47:12.of meetings in Brussels, where he's trying to secure support

:47:13. > :47:15.for his plans to change Britain's All 28 European Union leaders meet

:47:16. > :47:19.on Thursday to try to reach a deal. One EU leader has described

:47:20. > :47:21.the talks as being Scientists say a new therapy

:47:22. > :47:27.being developed for the treatment of cancer could provide

:47:28. > :47:29.a long-lasting vaccine-like response Studies presented in the US have

:47:30. > :47:32.suggested extraordinary results using genetically engineered immune

:47:33. > :47:48.cells known as T-cells. The results are really quite

:47:49. > :47:50.remarkable, so we're treating patients who've failed

:47:51. > :47:52.all other therapies, so they've failed chemotherapy,

:47:53. > :47:53.bone marrow transplants, so often, and really they don't have

:47:54. > :47:58.many other treatment options left. The United Nations special envoy

:47:59. > :48:00.to Syria, will meet the country's The UN says the bombing of two

:48:01. > :48:04.schools and four hospitals yesterday - thought to have been

:48:05. > :48:07.carried out by Russia - The construction of thousands

:48:08. > :48:20.of sheltered housing properties has been delayed or cancelled ahead

:48:21. > :48:22.of proposed benefit cuts. The Government says it's trying

:48:23. > :48:36.to ensure that the policy works A male leopard which ended five

:48:37. > :48:42.people in southern India earlier this month has escaped from a zoo.

:48:43. > :48:46.Its disappearance has sparked a frantic search. Wildlife officials

:48:47. > :49:00.are trying to recapture the animal before it does any more harm.

:49:01. > :49:03.So Ronnie O'Sullivan's been criticised for failing to push

:49:04. > :49:06.He couldn't be bothered because the ?10,000

:49:07. > :49:10.Hugh will bring you all the sports news in a moment,

:49:11. > :49:15.but here's what you've been saying about Ronnie.

:49:16. > :49:24.Margaret has text to say it is time Ronnie O'Sullivan was kicked out of

:49:25. > :49:28.snooker. He has such a high opinion of himself, he is rude and spoils

:49:29. > :49:36.snooker for the other competitors. Someone else says, that is

:49:37. > :49:40.disgusting. Another e-mail says, what a shame he did that. He could

:49:41. > :49:44.have donated the ?10,000 to charity, knowing he has experienced

:49:45. > :49:48.depression. Some organisations could have put that money to some good

:49:49. > :49:51.use, especially as funding in that area is so low, as highlighted

:49:52. > :50:01.recently on your programme. He wasn't completely emphatic it was

:50:02. > :50:13.to do with the 10,000, but when he was interviewed afterwards, it was

:50:14. > :50:18.more jokey? Yes, some branding him selfish and others making it clear

:50:19. > :50:22.his last 147 at the World Championships, he made over

:50:23. > :50:28.?160,000. He has been labelled one of the most eccentric characters. He

:50:29. > :50:33.has caused outrage. He turned down an opportunity to take a ?10,000

:50:34. > :50:38.prize for a maximum rake up the Welsh open. He did say the reward

:50:39. > :50:41.wasn't big enough. As he reached 80, Ronnie O'Sullivan was told the

:50:42. > :50:46.amount he could win, which disappointed him, as he opted to

:50:47. > :50:57.take the pink rather than the black. He felt it wasn't enough money. It

:50:58. > :51:00.is amazing, isn't it! There was a little smile from him there. But

:51:01. > :51:05.afterwards he was branded Discus back full but instead he made a 146

:51:06. > :51:09.in his win over Barry Pinches. I could have got the black and

:51:10. > :51:16.possibly made a 147, you never know. I knew it was ten grand and I

:51:17. > :51:20.thought, it was too cheap. Sometimes you think, to make a maximum is a

:51:21. > :51:26.massive achievement. If they are going to pay you ten grand, it is

:51:27. > :51:33.worth more than that. Once the prizes above it, I will go for the

:51:34. > :51:38.147. Chelsea are without John Terry for their Champions League match at

:51:39. > :51:42.PSG. He picked up by hamstring injury against Newcastle. He did

:51:43. > :51:47.train yesterday but he has been ruled out of the first leg in

:51:48. > :51:53.France. Chelsea are likely to play Gary K Hill and Branislav Ivanovic

:51:54. > :51:59.shut centre back. It is a bit of a setback. But I am not the type of

:52:00. > :52:05.coach that starts moaning, and moaning. We have to go on. The

:52:06. > :52:10.players who will replace him, I have full confidence in them. The BBC has

:52:11. > :52:15.learned that PSG are in talks to invest in David Beckham's Major

:52:16. > :52:19.league soccer franchise in Miami. The proposed deal is through the

:52:20. > :52:22.shareholder, Qatar Sports Club is in. David Beckham finished his

:52:23. > :52:29.playing career with the Paris club. He and his partners in the proposed

:52:30. > :52:32.franchise are understood to be in talks, but they are just one of a

:52:33. > :52:38.number of interested parties. Aberdeen missed out to go level on

:52:39. > :52:41.points with Celtic after they were beaten 3-1 at Inverness Caledonian

:52:42. > :52:53.Thistle. They took the lead, but came unstuck. This goal sealing the

:52:54. > :53:01.points for the Highland side. The England player, Danny Cipriani

:53:02. > :53:05.has agreed a deal to move to wasps next season. He's going back to his

:53:06. > :53:10.first professional club after four seasons at sale. He has won 14

:53:11. > :53:13.international caps but missed out on the squad for the six Nations this

:53:14. > :53:17.year. Hoping it will give him a lecture platform to get back into

:53:18. > :53:19.the England fold. I will be back with the headlines at around 10:30

:53:20. > :53:22.a.m.. We're on BBC and the BBC

:53:23. > :53:27.News Channel until 11 this morning. Texts will be charged

:53:28. > :53:41.at the standard network rate. Earlier we spoke to mark Pearson,

:53:42. > :53:47.was cleared of sexually assaulting an award-winning actress at Waterloo

:53:48. > :53:52.Station. We have some e-mails about this case. The poor man, he is

:53:53. > :53:58.marked for life even though he was found not guilty. Martin says, that

:53:59. > :54:04.poor man will be stigmatised life, despite being clear he is totally

:54:05. > :54:08.innocent. This text is saying the law needs to protect the accused

:54:09. > :54:14.until proven guilty, then should name false accusers. Thank you for

:54:15. > :54:15.those, if you are text link there will be charged at the standard

:54:16. > :54:20.network rate. This morning we've bought you a rare

:54:21. > :54:23.insight into life in gang Lucy Martindale is 26 years

:54:24. > :54:26.old and grew up in Brixton or friends have been killed

:54:27. > :54:32.as a result of gang violence. She experiences post traumatic

:54:33. > :54:36.stress disorder and wanted to investigate the impact those kind

:54:37. > :54:39.of brutal, senseless deaths have Here's a short extract

:54:40. > :54:50.from her full film - It was quiet, a nice estate

:54:51. > :55:14.until I got to about ten years old, and that's when gangs

:55:15. > :55:18.first started to... I saw my cousin on the floor

:55:19. > :55:38.with a screwdriver in his head. That's when I learned about this

:55:39. > :55:46.life I didn't know existed. Always getting a call,

:55:47. > :55:49.just hearing, months later, or sometimes immediately, depending,

:55:50. > :55:53.that someone else has been killed that I know, and it just

:55:54. > :56:11.made me more and more sad. So I wanted to speak to gang members

:56:12. > :56:15.to ask them how they think this level of violence impacts

:56:16. > :56:20.on their mental health. We go through highs,

:56:21. > :56:26.we go through lows. Now, some people are sadder

:56:27. > :56:29.than others for much longer. But what it is now, you'll go

:56:30. > :56:33.to the doctors and they'll just say, "Yes, we are labelling

:56:34. > :56:35.you with this disease, you are diagnosed with this,

:56:36. > :56:38.take this tablet." And now you're taking these tablets,

:56:39. > :56:43.it has messed up completely. In London, this type

:56:44. > :56:46.of violence is more likely to affect my community, the young

:56:47. > :56:55.black inner-city community. I came to meet Junior,

:56:56. > :56:58.who had personal experience of this A fight broke out

:56:59. > :57:04.between two of my friends. Then we saw the holes

:57:05. > :57:09.and stuff like that, "Oh my God, he's been

:57:10. > :57:13.stabbed," sort of thing. What about your friends,

:57:14. > :57:15.did you all talk about the way Yeah, we more or less

:57:16. > :57:19.counselled each other. Although, when I was younger,

:57:20. > :57:22.I would have liked to have had opportunities where I could

:57:23. > :57:24.channel my feelings, whether it's through music,

:57:25. > :57:30.through art, through mathematics. Because if no-one's there

:57:31. > :57:34.to actually stimulate these youngsters, the streets

:57:35. > :57:41.will stimulate you. The treatment I would have liked

:57:42. > :57:44.to receive more than anything, I suppose, is having someone to talk

:57:45. > :57:49.to, often counselling. Someone giving you the time

:57:50. > :57:51.and showing that they're there to listen and care

:57:52. > :57:55.what you have to say. But when people feel that no-one

:57:56. > :57:58.cares, that's when people get angry You can watch the full film on our

:57:59. > :58:25.programme page. Lucy Martindale who made that

:58:26. > :58:34.film for us is here. Let me read you some comments

:58:35. > :58:40.because some people watched your longer film earlier in the

:58:41. > :58:46.programme. Laurie says, it is time to listen to the young. Somebody

:58:47. > :58:51.says these gang members think they are tough, but they are weak. They

:58:52. > :58:55.abuse like chances and they blame everyone but themselves. Is that

:58:56. > :59:00.fair? It isn't fair because a lot of

:59:01. > :59:04.people don't take the time to listen to the young people. They just

:59:05. > :59:12.straightaway have a negative perception on them. When in fact, a

:59:13. > :59:19.lot of people who are killed from gun violence, some of them are not

:59:20. > :59:22.even in a gang. This text says my daughter's partner was fatally

:59:23. > :59:26.stabbed through the heart by a gang. My daughter got no help and neither

:59:27. > :59:32.did our eight-year-old granddaughter. Our daughter still

:59:33. > :59:38.suffers with nightmares and flashbacks and also our grandchild

:59:39. > :59:43.told her father was dead, taken by a gang in a heartbeat. It is tragic

:59:44. > :59:47.and wrong and it is about time it was dealt with. You can relate to

:59:48. > :59:52.the flashbacks and the nightmares? Definitely, when someone in your

:59:53. > :59:57.family is killed, there is no offer of counselling, any help. You are

:59:58. > :00:02.just left to deal with it. That is where a lot of these mental health

:00:03. > :00:07.issues happen and there is just no help and support. It is really

:00:08. > :00:12.frustrating. Also, trauma breeds trauma. When you have lost someone,

:00:13. > :00:17.it makes young people angry at the world and then they go out and

:00:18. > :00:22.commit crime. But you didn't and you have lost family members. You were

:00:23. > :00:25.ten when you saw your cousin being stabbed in a park with a

:00:26. > :00:32.screwdriver. You have lost friends. You didn't turn to crime? Because

:00:33. > :00:37.people who lose family due to murder, I am not in a gang, my

:00:38. > :00:43.family are not in a gang. It happens to ordinary people every day.

:00:44. > :00:49.Richard says, when I taught in school in new Malden, we had to

:00:50. > :00:53.watch out for the effects of gang attacks on our own boys. I know

:00:54. > :01:01.there was one teenage boy who was killed on his way to school and you

:01:02. > :01:07.are told... He was a friend of my family. You find out he was stabbed

:01:08. > :01:14.on his way to school? It was outside the school gates. How does that

:01:15. > :01:18.impact on you? Terrible, you are not even safe going to school. I am not

:01:19. > :01:22.blaming the school, but children are not safe going to school. There

:01:23. > :01:40.should be more protection for these young children as well. What effect

:01:41. > :01:48.has been around this level of violence had a new? Traumatic. Some

:01:49. > :01:53.people, it wouldn't affect them like it affects me because of what I have

:01:54. > :01:58.gone through. Just being very anxious... So when you are out, you

:01:59. > :02:03.hear some thing, you worry it is going to escalate into a fight, that

:02:04. > :02:06.kind of thing? Yes, like in a nightclub if there is an argument or

:02:07. > :02:10.a fight breaks out, you think somebody is going to be killed, and

:02:11. > :02:15.that isn't a normal reaction. But for me it is, and for a lot of

:02:16. > :02:19.people from my community, that is a normal reaction. People have sent in

:02:20. > :02:24.messages saying, if people go around carrying knives or guns, they

:02:25. > :02:27.deserve all they get. A lot of people that do carry a knife, it

:02:28. > :02:32.isn't because they want to go and kill somebody, they are in fear of

:02:33. > :02:40.being attacked, so they carry it for protection. There are some people

:02:41. > :02:45.that go out and do that, but not everybody, so I would say don't

:02:46. > :02:49.label all these young men the same. And the research shows that those

:02:50. > :02:54.who are carrying a knife to protect themselves, often that weapon will

:02:55. > :03:03.end up being used on them. Yes, I have seen it happen. What is it that

:03:04. > :03:09.you want now? I would like more help for young people, when people are

:03:10. > :03:11.killed in your family, more support from the Government, police,

:03:12. > :03:15.doctors, I was offered counselling but I had to wait for months, and in

:03:16. > :03:20.that time, things get worse and worse and it is out of control.

:03:21. > :03:25.I know certainly when your cousin was killed, the police family

:03:26. > :03:33.liaison officer, they are incredibly helpful, but that is for a period of

:03:34. > :03:37.time, and... Once the court cases over with, they go away and you

:03:38. > :03:40.don't hear from the many more. Then the family are left to deal with it,

:03:41. > :03:45.and it is a long-term impact it has on the family. It has been nearly 20

:03:46. > :03:49.years since my cousin was killed, and I still think about it every

:03:50. > :03:56.day, and it still has a huge impact on my family. Some more messages

:03:57. > :04:00.from our viewers. Derek has e-mailed to say, what were the police doing,

:04:01. > :04:04.was this area treated as a no-go area? What would you say about that

:04:05. > :04:11.when you were growing up in South London? It wasn't an issue for me.

:04:12. > :04:18.When I got to about 14, that is one a lot of the postcode wars began,

:04:19. > :04:24.and some people are not allowed to go to a certain area occurs they

:04:25. > :04:31.will be killed. It is out of hand, and more needs to be done. Thank you

:04:32. > :04:37.for coming in, and for making the film as well. Let's talk more about

:04:38. > :04:41.the scientists in the States who say that a new therapy being developed

:04:42. > :04:47.for the treatment of cancer could provide a long-lasting vaccine like

:04:48. > :04:51.response to prevent the disease returning.

:04:52. > :04:57.Studies presented at a conference in Washington reported a success

:04:58. > :04:58.rate of 90% in terminally-ill patients

:04:59. > :05:04.The lead scientist, Professor Stanley Riddell,

:05:05. > :05:05.says the results are promising.

:05:06. > :05:08.These are all blood cancers and we are targeting a molecule

:05:09. > :05:13.The results are really quite remarkable, so we

:05:14. > :05:15.are treating people who have failed all other therapies.

:05:16. > :05:17.So they failed chemotherapy, bone marrow

:05:18. > :05:21.Really, they don't have very many treatment

:05:22. > :05:26.In the acute lymphoblastic leukaemia cohorts, we are seeing remission

:05:27. > :05:36.And in the non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, when we have optimised the dose

:05:37. > :05:38.and the regimen we are using, we're now

:05:39. > :05:42.getting complete remissions in about 64% of those patients.

:05:43. > :05:45.With me now to talk about this research and what it means

:05:46. > :05:50.is Dr Emma Smith from Cancer Research UK.

:05:51. > :05:55.Tell our audience a little more about what they have done here. It

:05:56. > :06:02.was a clinical trial, taking out some of the patients' white blood

:06:03. > :06:07.cells and genetically engineering them to find and destroy cancer

:06:08. > :06:11.cells. These were patients who had white cell cancers like leukaemia

:06:12. > :06:14.and lymphoma, and they had run out of other treatment options,

:06:15. > :06:20.everything else had failed, so this treatment offered them a lifeline.

:06:21. > :06:27.And why might this leads to some kind of vaccine type therapy? Lots

:06:28. > :06:30.of scientists around the world are looking at genetically engineering T

:06:31. > :06:34.cells like this group, but also creating vaccines and

:06:35. > :06:39.cells like this group, but also drugs that takes the brakes off the

:06:40. > :06:44.immune system or boost it, it is about re-educating the immune system

:06:45. > :06:48.that cancer is a threat. Were their side-effects? For some,

:06:49. > :06:51.unfortunately there were. The immune system is a very powerful weapon,

:06:52. > :06:55.but with great power comes an element of caution, and that is why

:06:56. > :07:01.with these clinical trials it is important to take a softer approach

:07:02. > :07:05.and make sure that safety ultimately is tested first and foremost, that

:07:06. > :07:09.is paramount. And this research at this point in time, it hasn't been

:07:10. > :07:13.peer-reviewed, so other experts in this area haven't looked at the

:07:14. > :07:18.results of these trials and put forward their own views on it.

:07:19. > :07:26.That's correct. It is being put in for publication, so hope only we

:07:27. > :07:33.will see results soon. Code this mean, could it mean some kind of

:07:34. > :07:37.vaccine type treatment in the future? Could that mean the end of

:07:38. > :07:41.chemotherapy? I don't think we will ever see the end of chemotherapy, it

:07:42. > :07:46.plays an important role in the treatment of cancer patients. 90% of

:07:47. > :07:54.men with testicular cancer are cured with chemotherapy, so we won't chuck

:07:55. > :07:59.it out. But immunotherapy will play a part. We are seeing it coming

:08:00. > :08:04.through in the clinic and curing some people with examples can

:08:05. > :08:08.cancer. This particular type of immunotherapy is uncertain, they are

:08:09. > :08:12.still testing it. But immunotherapy as a whole is still an exciting

:08:13. > :08:14.field and showing great promise for patients.

:08:15. > :08:21.Thank you very much for coming on the programme. S

:08:22. > :08:30.In its 13-year S history, BBC Three has given birth to hit

:08:31. > :08:36.and Stacey, Little Britain and Don't Tell the Bride.

:08:37. > :08:38.But from today the youth channel will only be available online -

:08:39. > :08:40.on their website, iPlayer or YouTube channel.

:08:41. > :08:43.The move is a cost-cutting measure that will save the BBC ?30 million.

:08:44. > :08:55.But will it alienate younger viewers from the corporation?

:08:56. > :09:31.There's a new look, and it all starts on the home page."

:09:32. > :10:07.# Or it will be a major catastrophe #.

:10:08. > :10:12.Younger audiences increasingly are moving online, on demand,

:10:13. > :10:14.looking at content on screens, wherever they happen to be

:10:15. > :10:19.at whatever time of day they want to consume content,

:10:20. > :10:23.and the challenge now is for us to take BBC Three and the brilliance

:10:24. > :10:36.Let's talk now to Damian Kavanagh, Controller at BBC Three.

:10:37. > :10:46.there is a slight delay on the line, even though he is only about five

:10:47. > :10:55.miles from here. How will you measure success? We have a range of

:10:56. > :11:02.measures. We are looking at things like Reach, quality, engagement with

:11:03. > :11:07.our audiences. Today is the first day, and we will keep an eye on the

:11:08. > :11:13.numbers and I guess from my point of view what I want to see is that it

:11:14. > :11:19.will build day by day. I worked on BBC Three in the early days, and all

:11:20. > :11:29.of the slots that now rate zero, get them to write something, was my

:11:30. > :11:38.remit. What does API stand for, and what would be a good figure? Key

:11:39. > :11:43.performance indicator, and we are looking at reach, all of the long

:11:44. > :11:49.form shows will be on BBC One and BBC Two, but I look back at the kind

:11:50. > :11:55.of figures that Josh our comedy on BBC One, those shows were doing 1.5

:11:56. > :12:00.million, that makes them some of the biggest comedy is in the UK at the

:12:01. > :12:04.time they go right. That was because they want BBC One. Your most popular

:12:05. > :12:08.programme last Friday night reached just over 300,000. Do you want to

:12:09. > :12:15.replicate that kind of figure, or get more? What we are doing now is

:12:16. > :12:20.we are on a range of platforms, not just on TV, so we are looking across

:12:21. > :12:28.iPlayer, social media networks, and that is where the audiences are, and

:12:29. > :12:34.the reason we are doing this is because a lot of audiences are not

:12:35. > :12:38.coming to BBC television are in that demographic, 16 to 24, and we want

:12:39. > :12:42.to put our content onto the social media networks where they are. So

:12:43. > :12:47.this is an attempt to fish where the fish are. But the BBC Trust to

:12:48. > :12:50.approve the plan say this: The closure of the broadcast channel and

:12:51. > :12:54.a reduction in programme budget is being half to ?30 million will make

:12:55. > :12:58.it more difficult for the BBC to reach those aged 16 to 34, so you

:12:59. > :13:04.have to accept that some young people will be lost. Viewing

:13:05. > :13:10.behaviour of young people is changing massively. We were already

:13:11. > :13:16.losing audiences by remaining on television. What we're trying to do,

:13:17. > :13:19.and the plan behind BBC Three and the rationale is to try produce

:13:20. > :13:22.content in different ways and put them in different places to reach

:13:23. > :13:28.those audiences. There is a real danger for an organisation like the

:13:29. > :13:31.BBC to stay standing still. We have always been pioneering. When BBC

:13:32. > :13:35.online launched, people were saying, why are you taking money away from

:13:36. > :13:40.TV and radio? And putting it into some thing knew that nobody knows

:13:41. > :13:44.how it will go. And that is what we are doing with BBC Three. Imagine

:13:45. > :13:48.BBC Three today without an online provision, and that is what we're to

:13:49. > :13:52.do. We might drop off in the early days, but I have a brilliant team

:13:53. > :13:57.behind me, brilliant programme makers producing brilliant content,

:13:58. > :14:04.and I totally believe that the world is changing and we can't stand

:14:05. > :14:07.still. You will be preaching to the converted, to a lot of people

:14:08. > :14:11.watching this who watch our films and interviews online, on Facebook,

:14:12. > :14:15.on Twitter and all the rest of it. But broadband is a key issue, and

:14:16. > :14:18.some parts of the country still do not have good enough quality

:14:19. > :14:27.broadband, so how much are you worried about that? That's why we've

:14:28. > :14:32.made a provision that all our long form shows will play on BBC One and

:14:33. > :14:36.BBC Two. We need to make sure all of our content can be consumed by

:14:37. > :14:40.audiences on those channels. Will people need to pay via licence fee

:14:41. > :14:47.to watch BBC Three programmes online? People will pay for a

:14:48. > :14:51.licence fee to watch programmes. A lot of BBC activity happens online,

:14:52. > :14:56.and they pay for a licence fee for the production of that content at

:14:57. > :14:59.its source. There is a lot of conversations happening at the

:15:00. > :15:03.moment, you will be across all the conversations about iPlayer and

:15:04. > :15:08.tightening the loophole of the licence fee on that. What people pay

:15:09. > :15:14.their licence fee for is for us to produce purposeful content. If you

:15:15. > :15:17.are a 21-year-old and you are just go to watch BBC Three

:15:18. > :15:23.are a 21-year-old and you are just catch up, do you need a licence fee?

:15:24. > :15:28.That is a question for the regulator. I am IS down trying to

:15:29. > :15:36.make the best content that we can and deliver to our audience. -- IS

:15:37. > :15:48.it is becoming an ever more complex world, and we have to look at that.

:15:49. > :15:54.There are talks of the services being merged into a youth channel

:15:55. > :16:00.with one use control. Will you have to reapply fewer job? I am busy

:16:01. > :16:03.running BBC Three at the moment, and there is a lot of talk and

:16:04. > :16:08.speculation about what is happening across the BBC. In my mind, we do

:16:09. > :16:16.something quite different to what BBC Radio 1 does, they do a

:16:17. > :16:20.fantastic job, and we committing to investing money in drama and talent

:16:21. > :16:25.led entertainment, they do what they don't we do we do. There is a lot of

:16:26. > :16:30.collaboration across the BBC doing a project today, we are working really

:16:31. > :16:33.closely with news and sport and BBC training, and lots of other areas

:16:34. > :16:37.across the BBC. I will collaborate with anybody who has content that we

:16:38. > :16:42.feel will serve our younger audience.

:16:43. > :16:51.Give us an idea of the actual programmes we will see online? The

:16:52. > :17:02.night, and I urge everybody to watch it, and a incredibly powerful

:17:03. > :17:05.documentary. Three episodes and it won't an award. We have done

:17:06. > :17:11.something special with episode for where we have done a retrospective

:17:12. > :17:16.story, telling it over eight to ten minute episodes with lots of

:17:17. > :17:23.supporting content. Coco, comedy and going forward we have a whole range

:17:24. > :17:27.of documentaries, range of comedies and one thing I would save the

:17:28. > :17:31.people to look out for is a drama we have, called 13, very compelling

:17:32. > :17:37.written by a brilliant young writer. Thank you the talking to us.

:17:38. > :17:40.On the BBC News Channel at 11.30, your questions on the BBC Three

:17:41. > :17:42.switchover will be put to media expert, Steve Hewlett.

:17:43. > :17:57.Thanks for joining us today - still to come before 11.

:17:58. > :18:00.We'll speak to norman for the latest on David Cameron's his negotiations

:18:01. > :18:03.in Brussels this morning, and we'll try to explain how

:18:04. > :18:13.Are we really going to try to do that! That might take more than half

:18:14. > :18:18.an hour. David Cameron, is in Brussels

:18:19. > :18:22.for talks with leaders of the European Parliament hoping

:18:23. > :18:25.to secure a deal to help keep The European parliament's speaker,

:18:26. > :18:28.Martin Schulz, said he could not give any guarantee

:18:29. > :18:30.that the institution would back the reforms put forward

:18:31. > :18:36.by the Prime Minister. Scientists believe they may have

:18:37. > :18:39.discovered a potentially It's claimed 94 per cent of terminal

:18:40. > :18:46.leukaemia patients taking part in a trial went into complete

:18:47. > :18:48.remission, after testing a therapy that uses the body's own immune

:18:49. > :18:54.cells to attack tumours. The results are really

:18:55. > :18:56.quite remarkable. So we are treating patients

:18:57. > :18:59.who failed all other therapies. They've failed chemotherapy,

:19:00. > :19:02.bone marrow transplants often and really they don't have many

:19:03. > :19:07.treatment options left. The United Nations special envoy

:19:08. > :19:10.to Syria, will meet the country's The UN says the bombing of two

:19:11. > :19:14.schools and four hospitals yesterday, thought to have been

:19:15. > :19:18.carried out by Russia, The construction of thousands

:19:19. > :19:29.of sheltered housing properties has been delayed or cancelled ahead

:19:30. > :19:32.of proposed benefit cuts. The Government says it's trying

:19:33. > :19:53.to ensure that the policy works Ed Sheron has won Song of the year

:19:54. > :19:55.at the Grammys. Lady Gaga performed a medley of hits in tribute to David

:19:56. > :20:00.Bowie. A male leopard which injured five

:20:01. > :20:02.people in southern India earlier this month has

:20:03. > :20:04.escaped from a zoo. His disappearance has

:20:05. > :20:06.sparked a frantic search. Wildlife officials are trying

:20:07. > :20:23.to recapture the animal before it Now the sport. Ronnie O'Sullivan in

:20:24. > :20:28.controversy again. He turned down the opportunity of ?10,000 for a 147

:20:29. > :20:31.maximum at the Welsh open. Instead he made a 146 and has been branded

:20:32. > :20:33.disrespectful. Chelsea will be without their

:20:34. > :20:36.captain John Terry for tonight's Champions League match

:20:37. > :20:46.at Paris Saint Germain. The boss said losing his leader will

:20:47. > :20:50.be a setback. PSG are in talks to invest in David Beckham's

:20:51. > :21:00.major-league soccer franchise in Miami. The England and sale

:21:01. > :21:06.fly-half, Danny Cipriani, has agreed a deal to move back to wasps from

:21:07. > :21:10.the start of next season. That is all the sport for now, but I will be

:21:11. > :21:13.back with more across BBC News later.

:21:14. > :21:15.Prime Minister David Cameron is in Belgium today -

:21:16. > :21:18.he's just about to begin another meeting with European leaders

:21:19. > :21:20.in Brussels hoping to convince them to back his renegotiation

:21:21. > :21:22.of Britain's relationship with the EU.

:21:23. > :21:51.But how does the European Union actually work?

:21:52. > :21:58.We'll start with the European Commission.

:21:59. > :22:00.Its the powerful civil service of the EU -

:22:01. > :22:04.It's run by 28 commissioners, one from each member country.

:22:05. > :22:06.It administers much of the money that the EU spends.

:22:07. > :22:08.But this is also where new laws are born.

:22:09. > :22:12.The Commission is based in Brussels, in this glass-and-steel building

:22:13. > :22:16.It's based in Brussels, in this glass-and-steel building,

:22:17. > :22:18.but sometimes everyone goes to this glass-and-steel building

:22:19. > :22:26.Parliament started as an underpowered talking shop but has

:22:27. > :22:28.become a serious player, voting on nearly all the laws

:22:29. > :22:31.There's more - the Council of the European Union.

:22:32. > :22:34.It's where the governments of the 28 member countries have their say.

:22:35. > :22:37.Representatives of said governments meet in this building in Brussels.

:22:38. > :22:40.Sometimes all the leaders meet here to give political

:22:41. > :22:50.Generally, there a deal at the end - it's usually a compromise.

:22:51. > :22:55.One more thing, there's the European Court of Justice.

:22:56. > :22:58.It's there to make sure everyone sticks to rules

:22:59. > :23:02.It also sorts out squabbles between the Commission,

:23:03. > :23:07.It's in Luxembourg, and it looks like this.

:23:08. > :23:27.And, in a nutshell, that's how the EU works.

:23:28. > :23:35.Norman is here. What is going on in Brussels? We are getting to the

:23:36. > :23:40.poker moment where they are eyeballing each other and then they

:23:41. > :23:45.will show their hands. David Cameron might have to fold on the key issue,

:23:46. > :23:50.child benefit. At the start of this process, he said the idea EU

:23:51. > :23:54.migrants in Britain could claim child benefit for children living in

:23:55. > :23:59.Poland and the Czech Republic, was nonsense and it had to stop. As

:24:00. > :24:03.negotiations went on, he couldn't secure that concession. Instead he

:24:04. > :24:06.got an agreement that said they would get the child agreement but it

:24:07. > :24:11.would be indexed links to the cost of living in those countries. So in

:24:12. > :24:16.Poland they would get the proportion in terms of the cost of living. But

:24:17. > :24:22.now it seems he may not get that in fall, because the signs are that

:24:23. > :24:29.will only apply to newcomers to the UK, so new Eastern European migrants

:24:30. > :24:33.arriving. Which means, all 34,000 who currently claim child benefit

:24:34. > :24:36.will still get it. It is only the newcomers which have it indexed

:24:37. > :24:41.links. His critics are just waiting to pounce on this deal and say it is

:24:42. > :24:47.a wash-out and you haven't got anything. If that does happen and he

:24:48. > :24:52.doesn't get what he wants, how will he sell that to the British

:24:53. > :24:57.electorate ahead of this referendum? There is an upside of sorts to this

:24:58. > :25:04.in that David Cameron wants to have a fight and emerge on Friday morning

:25:05. > :25:10.all bleary eyed and unshaven, he doesn't want to look all pristine as

:25:11. > :25:15.if he has had dinner with the European leaders. He wants a tussle.

:25:16. > :25:20.So if he has a bust up ahead of the summit, it is not a problem for

:25:21. > :25:24.David Cameron, provided he gets a result. The danger is he has a bust

:25:25. > :25:31.up and he loses and then he is in trouble. It is coming in from Nigel

:25:32. > :25:38.Farage. David Cameron was supposed to meet certain group leaders... Do

:25:39. > :25:47.you know this already? Kind of, go on. He was supposed to meet various

:25:48. > :25:52.party group members were supposed to meet Ukip and Nigel Farage. He said

:25:53. > :25:58.this is a total insult. Mr Cameron changed his entire scheduled just to

:25:59. > :26:01.avoid seeing me. Several of the group leaders in Parliament have

:26:02. > :26:06.problems with his proposed deal and he continues to run scared of the

:26:07. > :26:11.news getting out Parliament will run this news down if it comes here

:26:12. > :26:14.after the referendum. What happened, and Nigel Farage has a point in this

:26:15. > :26:20.sense, originally David Cameron said, what I am proposing will have

:26:21. > :26:24.to get the OK from the European Parliament. I'm going to see all the

:26:25. > :26:29.leaders of the main groupings in the European Parliament. One of those

:26:30. > :26:32.leaders is Nigel Farage. Downing Street is saying, hanged on he has

:26:33. > :26:38.got to be here, there and everywhere, he has got to see Martin

:26:39. > :26:44.Schultz, Jean-Claude Juncker and he doesn't have time to see Nigel

:26:45. > :26:47.Farage. You can imagine Downing Street doesn't want the choreography

:26:48. > :26:52.of David Cameron getting a hard time from Nigel Farage. I imagine they

:26:53. > :26:57.conveniently thought, sorry, Nigel, we cannot make it. Thursday and

:26:58. > :27:11.Friday, this European summit. Why Friday night, where will we be? We

:27:12. > :27:14.will be in Go Mode, I think. On Thursday, maybe after the dinner

:27:15. > :27:21.deal will pretty much be done. Then I expect David Cameron all come out

:27:22. > :27:28.around Friday lunchtime, big press moments, victory in our time. I have

:27:29. > :27:32.got the deal. Then, he rushes back to London, where he has to hold this

:27:33. > :27:36.cabinet meeting because his Cabinet critics are saying, we want a

:27:37. > :27:40.Cabinet meeting as soon as we have done the deal so we can be allowed

:27:41. > :27:47.off the lead to criticise what you have done. Then about six o'clock I

:27:48. > :27:51.would expect David Cameron to emerge from Number Ten and there will be a

:27:52. > :27:57.podium moment when he says, here is the historic referendum I have told

:27:58. > :28:03.you. Then my expectation, all sorts of things can go wrong, my

:28:04. > :28:08.expectation is on Friday night, we will be in Go Mode for the

:28:09. > :28:11.referendum. There is a big rally planned by those who want to lead

:28:12. > :28:14.the European Union on Friday, then it will be all systems go. We will

:28:15. > :28:17.look forward to it. Taylor Swift won the top prize

:28:18. > :28:20.at the Grammys last night, making her the first woman to win

:28:21. > :28:23.the album of the year award twice. And Ed Sheeran got his

:28:24. > :28:27.first two Grammys, Apart from Adele, who was hit by

:28:28. > :28:32.technical problems. Plans to build new specially

:28:33. > :28:34.designed flats for the elderly, people with learning disabilities,

:28:35. > :28:36.teen parents or those who've experienced domestic violence

:28:37. > :28:39.are being delayed or scrapped due Our social affairs correspondent

:28:40. > :28:55.Michael Buchanan can Fill us in on this. This is the

:28:56. > :28:58.consequence of a benefit change. The Chancellor basically said, we are

:28:59. > :29:02.going to cut the amount of housing benefit tenants in social housing

:29:03. > :29:07.can get, equalise it to the amount of money that tenants in the private

:29:08. > :29:12.rented sector can get. The government are saying it will save

:29:13. > :29:18.money, ?225 million. They are saying the housing benefit bill was 24

:29:19. > :29:22.billion at the moment, we need to cut that and save money. It will

:29:23. > :29:27.only affect people who move into new houses from this April and the money

:29:28. > :29:31.will not be cut until 2018. But this is having real consequences on the

:29:32. > :29:35.ground now. Because several housing associations we have spoken to have

:29:36. > :29:39.said they have cancelled or delayed once to build sheltered housing. The

:29:40. > :29:44.National Housing Federation have said something in the region of 2500

:29:45. > :29:49.units have been delayed or cancelled because of this. Even though the

:29:50. > :29:53.government say this will not begin until 2018, these housing

:29:54. > :30:00.associations are making decisions now on 20, 30, 40 year investments.

:30:01. > :30:04.They say income being cut going forward, the schemes are not viable.

:30:05. > :30:11.So the impact of the delaying of the building work? The impact, I was in

:30:12. > :30:19.Harrowgate in an existing estate, it is independent living, but the

:30:20. > :30:27.people, because of the nature of their illnesses, they need care. One

:30:28. > :30:30.of the lips broke down and it was chaos. Some of these buildings are

:30:31. > :30:35.not fit for purpose. The associations have spent years

:30:36. > :30:42.planning these buildings, but they cannot hold them. They cannot make

:30:43. > :30:46.them financially viable. The government is saying we are

:30:47. > :30:49.reviewing the policy at the moment. But while the government refused the

:30:50. > :30:58.policy, these houses are not being built. -- reviews. But the

:30:59. > :31:05.Government are standing by that principle that it has got to be the

:31:06. > :31:09.same as in the private sector? Yes, they say it is an issue of fairness,

:31:10. > :31:16.but what the Housing Federation asking for is simply an exemption

:31:17. > :31:23.for sheltered housing. Let's bring in Charlie Norman, who runs Saint

:31:24. > :31:29.Vincent housing association in Manchester. And Ruth Preston lived

:31:30. > :31:35.in sheltered housing for 18 months after experiencing domestic abuse.

:31:36. > :31:40.Welcome to the programme. Could you start by telling our audience how

:31:41. > :31:45.vital sheltered housing was for you, because of what you had been

:31:46. > :31:49.experiencing? I had nowhere to go, nowhere to live? What else do you

:31:50. > :31:53.do? Do you go and live on the streets? It isn't just the sheltered

:31:54. > :31:57.housing that happens, it is also what comes with that as well, the

:31:58. > :32:01.support from people, the support worker who helps you get over what

:32:02. > :32:06.you have been experiencing through your life as well. So it is the

:32:07. > :32:09.change of your life as well so that you have a roof over your head and

:32:10. > :32:13.you can build your con audience back up and go and do something else. And

:32:14. > :32:17.give us a little more of an insight into living into that kind of

:32:18. > :32:25.accommodation. Tell us more about the support. The support comes in,

:32:26. > :32:28.everybody who comes to the shelter that I went to, people come from all

:32:29. > :32:33.sorts of different walks of life are different reasons, they might be

:32:34. > :32:37.young, they might be old, whatever has happened to them in their past,

:32:38. > :32:41.which is all kept confidential between their own support worker.

:32:42. > :32:47.Each person gets their own support plan to support them if it is to do

:32:48. > :32:50.with taking alcohol or drugs or anything like that, to support them

:32:51. > :32:53.what they want to do for their career, whether they need educated,

:32:54. > :32:58.learning, skills for life courses, all sorts of things to help people.

:32:59. > :33:04.And it is also geared forgetting people ready to take up their own

:33:05. > :33:10.tenancy afterwards. And the point you is it was safe. I know you have

:33:11. > :33:17.described it as a life-saver. Tell us what you mean by that? Because of

:33:18. > :33:20.where I went, there was 24-hour coverage on the reception desk, and

:33:21. > :33:30.people around me all the time, and nobody could get through the gate

:33:31. > :33:33.unless I wanted them to. So my front door could be knocked on unless I

:33:34. > :33:39.wanted somebody to come and visit me. That was essential to me.

:33:40. > :33:45.Charlie Norman, tell us about the supported housing schemes you run.

:33:46. > :33:51.We run a range of different types of schemes like most Housing

:33:52. > :33:56.associations, so it could be teen parents, people fleeing domestic

:33:57. > :34:00.violence, people with learning disabilities, autism, and extra care

:34:01. > :34:08.schemes for elderly people. So how might your association be affected

:34:09. > :34:11.by these changes? We are very concerned about this policy.

:34:12. > :34:19.Sheltered and supported housing saves money to the Government,

:34:20. > :34:22.roughly ?640 million of savings, so the saving on the LH editor Michael

:34:23. > :34:28.mentioned of 240 million,, the saving on the LH editor Michael

:34:29. > :34:35.of housing saves money for the public purse, so what we are scared

:34:36. > :34:39.of is we have for example a scheme in Bolton which is for people with

:34:40. > :34:44.learning disabilities, and those six individuals who live there, I won't

:34:45. > :34:50.mention the name of the scheme, have moved their from care whether care

:34:51. > :34:57.costs ?2500 a week, and living in the supported accommodation costs

:34:58. > :35:01.?800 a week, but it is 24-hour support, and those individuals are

:35:02. > :35:06.out in the community, volunteering. Some level of independence. What we

:35:07. > :35:12.do is about promoting independence. It links to the health agenda. And

:35:13. > :35:18.when you say you will be very effective? It is not so much concern

:35:19. > :35:25.about us, it impacts on our business plan that we are concerned about the

:35:26. > :35:30.individuals. We have a scheme for young people for 16 to 25-year-olds,

:35:31. > :35:34.and some of the young people who have gone through that have

:35:35. > :35:39.genuinely chaotic lives, and have had no parental support, have had

:35:40. > :35:44.very damaging lives beforehand, and most of them go off, 98%, go on to

:35:45. > :35:51.more positive lives having stayed there. We had 15 people leave to go

:35:52. > :35:55.to university this year, one with an offer of Oxford or Cambridge, which

:35:56. > :36:00.is brilliant. And we are concerned about not being able to provide that

:36:01. > :36:04.support. In terms of the money, the Government says it is providing

:36:05. > :36:12.councils with ?870 million to help ease the transition. It is not a

:36:13. > :36:14.transition, a fundamental issue about the long-term stability of

:36:15. > :36:19.this type of housing, because there is no alternative summary who lives

:36:20. > :36:23.in an extra care scheme for older people or somebody who has learning

:36:24. > :36:27.disabilities, it is not a transitional phase, it is permanent

:36:28. > :36:33.homes that people need. The discretionary housing payment is in

:36:34. > :36:37.the name, so it is about the individual applying for DHP, and the

:36:38. > :36:39.vagaries of local authorities and their systems and how they apply it

:36:40. > :36:44.at whether the money will be available. And it is not something

:36:45. > :36:49.that some individuals will find easy to do. So when you hear Michael say

:36:50. > :36:54.the Government will review this, does that give you any confidence?

:36:55. > :37:02.Michael, you might not know how long the review is lasting. It will be

:37:03. > :37:05.out by the end of March. What we are asking for is some clarity and

:37:06. > :37:09.certainty for these schemes. We believe it gets to the heart of what

:37:10. > :37:14.we do, and offers a lot of support to individuals. We are talking about

:37:15. > :37:20.the most vulnerable people in society, and there are 440,000 of

:37:21. > :37:23.them. Rather than waiting for the outcomes of this review and then

:37:24. > :37:28.that going into a period of looking at the outcomes, we need something

:37:29. > :37:31.now, because we can't wait until April 2018 because we are making

:37:32. > :37:36.decisions now about commissioning and building new homes, and as

:37:37. > :37:39.Michael said earlier, 2400 new schemes have been shelved because of

:37:40. > :37:41.this because there is so much uncertainty. And they are needed.

:37:42. > :37:44.Thank you all. "We've

:37:45. > :37:48.always been clear that we value the work the supported accommodation

:37:49. > :37:51.sector does to protect the most Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran won

:37:52. > :38:21.at the Grammys last night, but yet again, it was Adele

:38:22. > :38:24.who stole the show - this time after technical problems

:38:25. > :38:57.during her performance. I feel sorry for her. Here are some

:38:58. > :39:14.of the other highlights from last night's show.

:39:15. > :39:22.# You make me a killer # As we proceed

:39:23. > :39:32.# To give you what you need # Leave my heart at the door

:39:33. > :39:45.# I will see you # No one here before

:39:46. > :40:01.This is ground control to Major Tom # You really made the grade...

:40:02. > :40:11.What happened? Unfortunately, a technical problem. There is a

:40:12. > :40:14.clanging sound you can hear on the piano, and apparently what happened

:40:15. > :40:18.was a microphone dropped onto the strings of the piano, and they just

:40:19. > :40:21.carried on anyway, and then her microphone dropped, but she tweeted

:40:22. > :40:28.about it afterwards saying, things happen, there isn't much they can

:40:29. > :40:33.do. Lady Gaga, that amazing tribute to David Bowie. Yes, visually

:40:34. > :40:36.incredible. Some kind of computer-generated mapping on her

:40:37. > :40:41.face. She had a spider crawling across her face which wasn't really

:40:42. > :40:45.a spider. Yes, and they managed to create lots of different characters

:40:46. > :40:51.from his career on her face before she launched into a medley of nine

:40:52. > :40:56.songs with Nile Rodgers who collaborated with him. And the

:40:57. > :41:05.winners, the losers? As you mentioned, Ed Sheeran got a Grammy,

:41:06. > :41:11.he got two in fact. He has been nominated before, and this is the

:41:12. > :41:14.first time he has won. A Grammy is a big award, and he says his parents

:41:15. > :41:20.have come with him every year, and whenever he has lost, they are like,

:41:21. > :41:23.don't worry. So he was delighted. But the big winner and the person

:41:24. > :41:32.whose night it was was US rapper Kendrick Lamar. He won five Grammys,

:41:33. > :41:36.and his performance was incredible. It was described as politically

:41:37. > :41:40.charged, because he was using this platform to voice his opinion on

:41:41. > :41:45.racial equality in the States, the prison system, black identity, and

:41:46. > :41:48.following on from the Oscars and Beyonce at the Super Bowl, this is

:41:49. > :41:52.another huge performance that talked all about that. So that is the

:41:53. > :41:55.performance a lot of people are talking about.

:41:56. > :42:01.Separately, people will have been following Kanye West's tweets over

:42:02. > :42:07.recent days and weeks. Let's not go too far back, but what is going on

:42:08. > :42:18.with him? He is a clever man, and he is... Is he? How'd you know? He is

:42:19. > :42:22.releasing an album at the moment, The Life Of Pablo, and he doesn't

:42:23. > :42:28.have to do any interviews, he can simply sit on Twitter, some people

:42:29. > :42:33.think he is having a meltdown and others think it is very clever.

:42:34. > :42:37.Yesterday we wrote up some of his tweets, and it was the most read on

:42:38. > :42:41.the BBC News website for a lot of the morning. The most recent one

:42:42. > :42:45.that has been retweeting tens of thousands of times was one saying, I

:42:46. > :42:51.am so rich, I buy furs and houses for my family. He tweets a lot of

:42:52. > :42:54.stuff that we could laugh at and all the rest of it, but there is a

:42:55. > :42:58.campaign going on there. At the moment he is saying that his album

:42:59. > :43:06.will not be released on anything other than Tidal to get people to to

:43:07. > :43:10.that. His music is very popular, and Tidal isn't doing as well as spot if

:43:11. > :43:18.I or Apple. So is this him helping out his mate Jay Z? I have been

:43:19. > :43:21.awake since have passed one this morning, so I was looking over the

:43:22. > :43:30.tweets, and he has 19 million followers? And he only follows one

:43:31. > :43:35.person, do you know who that is? His wife.

:43:36. > :43:44.Thank you. And thank you very much for your company today and for all

:43:45. > :43:48.your messages. We are back tomorrow at 9.15, so have a good day, and

:43:49. > :43:51.join us tomorrow if you can.