17/02/2016

:00:00. > :00:07.Hello it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:08. > :00:12.This morning: can people who beat up and abuse their partners

:00:13. > :00:17.One charity who's working with offenders tells

:00:18. > :00:21.us their approach and we'll get reaction from a woman

:00:22. > :00:23.who was repeatedly attacked by her ex boyfriend -

:00:24. > :00:26.and eventually left for dead by him in an attack in a pub car

:00:27. > :00:31.Also on the programme - a couple from Leeds who dramatically

:00:32. > :00:35.escaped gunmen at the Bataclan in Paris tell us why they felt

:00:36. > :00:38.compelled to return last night to watch the Eagles of Death Metal

:00:39. > :00:47.finish their concert. Plus - how many teaspoons of sugar

:00:48. > :00:56.I feel really fortunate, not that we just got out, but we escaped the

:00:57. > :00:58.worst of the trauma by being on the floor.

:00:59. > :01:04.do you think are in this drink?

:01:05. > :01:07.Thank you, very kind. How many do you reckon?

:01:08. > :01:25.We'll bring you reaction. chocolate digistives.

:01:26. > :01:34.News Channel until 11 this morning. we're on BBC2 and the BBC

:01:35. > :01:38.We will bring you the latest news and developing stories, get in touch

:01:39. > :01:48.on the latest news today. Can those who beat up

:01:49. > :01:51.and emotionally abuse their partners It's why the most dangerous men -

:01:52. > :02:00.and it is mostly men, those most at risk of

:02:01. > :02:02.murdering their partner, will be helped to change

:02:03. > :02:05.their behaviour or they will The Drive programme,

:02:06. > :02:16.is backed by domestic abuse charity, SafeLives, and Respect,

:02:17. > :02:18.and also local police and crime commissioners, and it's

:02:19. > :02:19.being trialled in Essex, It's not voluntary -

:02:20. > :02:25.the men and smaller number of women who are identified as the highest

:02:26. > :02:27.risk offenders must co-operate. The pilot scheme will run

:02:28. > :02:30.for the next three years and aims Diana Barron is from SafeLives

:02:31. > :02:38.and we'll talk to 19 year old Rayna Holden too,

:02:39. > :02:40.who was repeatedly attacked by her ex boyfriend -

:02:41. > :02:43.and eventually left for dead by him in an attack in a pub

:02:44. > :02:57.car park in Manchester. Welcome. Thank you for coming on the

:02:58. > :03:06.programme. Let's begin with you, Diana. You can talk about this pilot

:03:07. > :03:12.scheme, how are you going to stop men, and as we said, it is mostly

:03:13. > :03:16.men, being violent and emotionally abusive? At the core of this scheme

:03:17. > :03:21.is making sure we hold men accountable and we are going to try

:03:22. > :03:29.and do that in two ways. Firstly, they will get a case manager who

:03:30. > :03:32.will will work with them, try and identify any lots to them stopping

:03:33. > :03:38.their abusive behaviour but at the same time making sure any continuous

:03:39. > :03:40.abusive behaviour is tackled by the criminal justice agencies, the

:03:41. > :03:43.abusive behaviour is tackled by the courts, and that they are held to

:03:44. > :03:47.account because the reality today for the vast majority of abusive men

:03:48. > :03:51.is that they are neither given an opportunity to change or held to

:03:52. > :03:57.account, and this programme aims to do that. Let's talk about the case

:03:58. > :04:02.worker elements, what will they do with the men? They need to build a

:04:03. > :04:11.relationship with the individual concerned, then they very frequently

:04:12. > :04:14.will have a lot of other organisations, the police, social

:04:15. > :04:17.services, involved, so they might do that in partnership with them. If

:04:18. > :04:22.they are not involved then they really have to take the safety of

:04:23. > :04:27.the victim into account because that is essential. They need to build a

:04:28. > :04:31.relationship, understand the needs of that person but also be very

:04:32. > :04:36.clear that this is about them taking responsibility for what they have

:04:37. > :04:40.done, and on that basis and only on that basis is moving forward. When

:04:41. > :04:47.you say the needs of the perpetrator, do you mean housing or

:04:48. > :04:52.drinking or finding a job? Is that what you mean? The caseworker will

:04:53. > :04:56.help them sort those error is out? They are never the causes of

:04:57. > :05:00.domestic abuse but they can contribute to the severity and risk

:05:01. > :05:07.that somebody poses, so it will be alcohol, drug, mental health,

:05:08. > :05:12.housing problems, our whole range of things that may be barriers to

:05:13. > :05:19.change. Is it making excuses for those perpetrators? Today, we are

:05:20. > :05:24.turning a blind eye, and this will shine as what life... A spotlight on

:05:25. > :05:29.those guys shine as what life... A spotlight on

:05:30. > :05:34.disappear through those cracks which they are good at doing historically.

:05:35. > :05:38.When they disappeared through the cracks, that means the victims are

:05:39. > :05:42.disappearing as well? Their victims are potentially disappearing through

:05:43. > :05:49.the cracks all left with the problem of sorting out the abuse, and,

:05:50. > :05:54.really, we want to shift, not just through Drive, but through other

:05:55. > :06:00.initiatives, the whole conversation from, why doesn't she leave to why

:06:01. > :06:06.doesn't she stop? Women are carrying the responsibility of sorting out

:06:07. > :06:10.domestic abuse. What if there are no reissues and the perpetrator has a

:06:11. > :06:15.house and a job, doesn't have a drink or drug problems? There will

:06:16. > :06:22.be different types of people we will be working with. You will have

:06:23. > :06:26.psychopathic individuals who maybe have none of those issues, those are

:06:27. > :06:30.potentially the most dangerous group, and at that point we need to

:06:31. > :06:39.make sure criminal justice comes in and managers their behaviour and

:06:40. > :06:44.risk. -- manages. What if he says no and says he does not want to work

:06:45. > :06:58.with the caseworker? Ed Leigh says no, assuming he continues with his

:06:59. > :07:04.abusive behaviour -- if he says no to stop the Drive caseworker will

:07:05. > :07:08.work very closely with the priests and the person supporting the victim

:07:09. > :07:10.so that we get lots and lots of information about what he is up to

:07:11. > :07:20.and therefore the police will have the grounds on which to arrest, and

:07:21. > :07:25.CBS can charge. -- CPS. Is your scheme going to let perpetrators

:07:26. > :07:33.off? They will have been abusive up to the point you intervene, and then

:07:34. > :07:38.you say, we can hope you -- hope you -- help you find a house and stop

:07:39. > :07:41.drinking and so on? If you have performed a criminal act, you need

:07:42. > :07:45.to face prosecution but the reality is that most of the sanctions at the

:07:46. > :07:50.end of a court process will be making limited difference to the

:07:51. > :07:54.safety of the victim. We are interested in the safety of the big

:07:55. > :07:58.them. Perpetrators of abuse are getting off scot-free all over the

:07:59. > :08:03.place today as we are speaking and sitting on the sofa right now, we

:08:04. > :08:09.want to change exactly that. Thank you for talking to us, I will ask

:08:10. > :08:14.you for your reaction to this new pilot scheme in just a moment, but I

:08:15. > :08:22.wonder if you could tell our audience how your ex-boyfriend used

:08:23. > :08:29.to behave towards you? My ex-partner was very abusive, physically and

:08:30. > :08:37.mentally. Used to put me down. -- key. If things did not go his way or

:08:38. > :08:41.he wanted to do something and I did not want to do it, that is when the

:08:42. > :08:50.abuse happened. When he didn't have money for alcohol or drugs, I took

:08:51. > :08:57.the backlash of that. Can I ask you, what kind of things did he used to

:08:58. > :08:59.do to you? He picked me up, threw me against the radiator, pulled me

:09:00. > :09:12.about with the hair, punched me in the face, slap me, call me nasty

:09:13. > :09:18.names. He was just a horrible man. As well is that horrific physical

:09:19. > :09:21.abuse, on the controlling side of things, he would try and control

:09:22. > :09:26.access to your phone or three were allowed to see? Who I was allowed to

:09:27. > :09:31.see, speak to, who I had on my face work, and there was one occasion I

:09:32. > :09:38.was on the phone to my grandfather, and he snatched the phone out of my

:09:39. > :09:42.hands and eight the battery of the phone and I do not have any contact

:09:43. > :09:48.with him. -- ate. Why was he doing this to you? I don't know the

:09:49. > :09:55.reasons why he was doing it, but... I don't know... I think it is more

:09:56. > :10:01.to do with having control over a person. He used to like controlling

:10:02. > :10:06.me. And telling me what to do. Can I ask you about the attack that he

:10:07. > :10:12.committed on you in that pub car park in November 2014? I was meant

:10:13. > :10:19.to be going to meet him so I walked down to the pub in the village in

:10:20. > :10:23.Washington, I walked into the pub, and Darryl was stood with his mate

:10:24. > :10:33.and two other women, playing pool with them, smacking their bottoms, I

:10:34. > :10:37.walked out of the pub and lit a cigarette, the mates followed me

:10:38. > :10:41.out, and ten minutes after Dowell followed me out, he was telling me,

:10:42. > :10:46.why are you getting jealous? You are not my girlfriend any more. He was

:10:47. > :10:51.telling me I was worthless, I meant nothing to him, I was just a child

:10:52. > :10:58.to him, he did not care about me, which ended up in a massive

:10:59. > :11:03.arguments, and that argument let's to him chasing me out of the car

:11:04. > :11:10.park. -- Daryl. He had a pint glass in his hand and he tried to smash it

:11:11. > :11:13.on my head. He hit me six times before it shattered. He grabbed me

:11:14. > :11:18.by the hair when their pint glass shattered. He pulled me down the

:11:19. > :11:23.banking and then had me behind a car and kept punching me, kicking me,

:11:24. > :11:26.punching me. When I was unconscious, he picked me up by their hair and

:11:27. > :11:30.dragged me halfway across the car park to a set of beans where he then

:11:31. > :11:38.dropped me again and stood all over my body. The audience is seeing some

:11:39. > :11:42.of the very distressing CCTV footage. It is distressing enough to

:11:43. > :11:48.watch this, so God knows how it was for you. I know it is difficult for

:11:49. > :11:57.you to talk about this but I appreciate you taking the time. You

:11:58. > :12:02.are welcome, honestly. After what he did to you, he left you there. He

:12:03. > :12:06.did, he left me there. His mate stood and watched 15 minutes of the

:12:07. > :12:12.attack and did nothing to stop him. They both left. They both left

:12:13. > :12:17.together. When you eventually regained consciousness, which

:12:18. > :12:24.thankfully you did, what did you do? I remember a woman, she was working

:12:25. > :12:28.in the pub and she came outside, and I stood up, I had a dislocated knee,

:12:29. > :12:38.I had three broken ribs, severe bruising over my body, and I stood

:12:39. > :12:44.up and all I wanted was a fag, believe it or not! I did not know

:12:45. > :12:48.what had happened to me. Even then, I wanted to chase after him to try

:12:49. > :12:55.and sort it out. That is how much I was in love with him! The police

:12:56. > :13:05.were eventually contact. That was through the pub. I got away from the

:13:06. > :13:09.pub and went to my friend's house. Two days later, the police came to

:13:10. > :13:21.my mate's door and said, we are arresting your ex-partner. They

:13:22. > :13:25.said, we have the CCTV footage, the people that rang the police, if it

:13:26. > :13:29.was not for them, I would not be where I am now. I was not going to

:13:30. > :13:34.ring the police. Explain why. I totally understand why but explain

:13:35. > :13:38.to people who do not understand that. I was madly in love with him

:13:39. > :13:41.and when you are in love with someone you will do anything to

:13:42. > :13:45.protect them whether they are in the right or the wrong and that is what

:13:46. > :13:54.I did, I stood by him like a partner does. You tried to help them get a

:13:55. > :13:59.lower jail sentence, didn't you? Because you can't withdraw

:14:00. > :14:02.statements any more, after I gave the police statement of what

:14:03. > :14:09.happened that night, I could not withdraw its. -- it. I felt guilty

:14:10. > :14:13.about what I told the police that he had done to me. Me and his mum came

:14:14. > :14:18.up with an idea to help them, writing a letter saying I dropped

:14:19. > :14:24.him and that is why he beat me. That did not happen. He was convicted of

:14:25. > :14:31.assault, given a jail sentence beer, served over three months my have you

:14:32. > :14:38.seen since his release? No, I don't want to see him. I was 17 and

:14:39. > :14:42.classed as a minor. What he did to me was horrific, I never want

:14:43. > :14:46.anybody like that in my life, I am better than that. Did he have any

:14:47. > :14:52.issues that he could have been helped with in the way that Diana

:14:53. > :14:57.has been explaining to us, about this new pilot scheme? He had

:14:58. > :15:09.issues, drugs, alcohol abuse, his temper, but with things like this,

:15:10. > :15:12.some people just don't want to change, they are just that way. The

:15:13. > :15:19.girlfriend before me coming he did the same to her. Due know what I

:15:20. > :15:27.mean? -- before me, he did the same to her. -- do you. In terms of what

:15:28. > :15:33.you heard, do you think it might help other men, this pilot scheme? I

:15:34. > :15:35.think it is a good approach but like I said some people just do not want

:15:36. > :15:51.to change. Do you have the attitude where you

:15:52. > :15:57.feel everybody should given a second chance? It is not about getting a

:15:58. > :16:01.second chance, as she said very powerfully, it is about keeping you

:16:02. > :16:04.safe. We have heard he had a previous girlfriend and presumably

:16:05. > :16:10.he will have a new girlfriend. This is about keeping his next partners

:16:11. > :16:17.and his next children safe. We do that, either through change, but she

:16:18. > :16:22.will know better than anyone else if this particular guy can change it or

:16:23. > :16:28.not, if not, three months inside and now free to do whatever he wants, is

:16:29. > :16:32.not keeping anybody say. The point of this programme is for those who

:16:33. > :16:35.are not going to change, their behaviour needs to be managed much

:16:36. > :16:41.more strongly. I have lots of comments from viewers on my tablet,

:16:42. > :16:45.which I have left over their and I will grab it in a moment. Liz from

:16:46. > :16:52.Glasgow says, regarding the news this morning the perpetrators of

:16:53. > :16:57.domestic violence will be supported to change their ways. Why not arrest

:16:58. > :17:01.them and lock them up like anyone else who assaults another person?

:17:02. > :17:06.Absolutely and we would entirely agree with that. We would describe

:17:07. > :17:12.it more than we will be challenging people's behaviour. Those who should

:17:13. > :17:15.be in the criminal justice system will be in the criminal justice

:17:16. > :17:19.system and this programme will make them much more visible. We heard,

:17:20. > :17:25.even with a serious assaults, the sanction doesn't keep people safe in

:17:26. > :17:29.the long term. Let's take the example of her ex, he went through

:17:30. > :17:35.the criminal justice system, found guilty. He was jailed, served his

:17:36. > :17:38.sentence. As you say, three months is not long enough to rehabilitate

:17:39. > :17:45.an individual who has behaved like this in the past. How would you, on

:17:46. > :17:52.this pilot scheme, go about getting him or somebody like him on your

:17:53. > :17:58.scheme? This will start with the risk posed to the victim. He will be

:17:59. > :18:03.contacted, because in this case she would have been identified as high

:18:04. > :18:08.risk and correctly so. If he was prepared to engage with the case

:18:09. > :18:15.manager, they would address some of the issues we have talked about. But

:18:16. > :18:21.if he says no... Which is highly likely. The case manager will work

:18:22. > :18:28.closely with the police to make sure any criminal behaviour is picked up.

:18:29. > :18:33.Not just domestic abuse, but driving without insurance, or using class a

:18:34. > :18:38.drugs, whatever it might be, anything will be pursued. Obviously

:18:39. > :18:43.he isn't here, let's leave him out of this conversation. But there are

:18:44. > :18:48.other examples we can use. Let me read you diss to eat... I work with

:18:49. > :18:53.victims of violence, tell me how we get the abusers to truly engage when

:18:54. > :19:00.many don't recognise they need it? It is going to come up again and

:19:01. > :19:04.again, isn't it? It goes on, there isn't enough funding for victims in

:19:05. > :19:10.the meantime, what do you say to both those points? In terms of the

:19:11. > :19:13.funding to victims, we have been campaigning along with other

:19:14. > :19:20.organisations for women. It is no substitute to services for the

:19:21. > :19:23.victims. It is directed to the perpetrators as opposed to the

:19:24. > :19:30.victims? There is additional money going into support for the victims,

:19:31. > :19:34.so they will be offered support for longer than is currently the case.

:19:35. > :19:39.But, if we never address the perpetrator, you know, we are very

:19:40. > :19:48.fortunate in this partnership to be working with Respect, who are the

:19:49. > :19:57.experts in working with perpetrators. We do have to try some

:19:58. > :20:06.new and different ways of engaging with people. The ideas we have taken

:20:07. > :20:10.in Drive have gone from other groups of dangerous offenders who also

:20:11. > :20:15.don't want to play ball. We are taking ideas from other areas and

:20:16. > :20:20.applying it to this, but with the skill of the sector contributing.

:20:21. > :20:24.Thank you for coming on the programme. Rayna, you have been

:20:25. > :20:33.amazing. Thank you for being so honest. You are welcome. How are you

:20:34. > :20:45.now? I am fine, just a bit nervous. That is understandable.

:20:46. > :20:57.The number of people on the claimant count last month fell by 14,800 to

:20:58. > :21:02.760,000 say the office for National Statistics. Average earnings

:21:03. > :21:07.increased by 1.9% in the year to December, 0.2% down on the previous

:21:08. > :21:11.month. Average earnings are still going up, but at a slower rate.

:21:12. > :21:15.Unemployment continues to fall. We will talk to the relevant minister

:21:16. > :21:26.in the next half an hour. We'll be finding out why America's

:21:27. > :21:31.gun owners feel so strongly And we meet two women who have used

:21:32. > :21:35.illegal skin-whitening creams with very different results -

:21:36. > :21:38.and ask them why they did it. David Cameron's preparing for his

:21:39. > :21:42.final push on his EU renegotiation. There's a crunch summit in Brussels

:21:43. > :21:45.tomorrow where he'll try to persuade other European leaders

:21:46. > :21:56.that his reforms are necessary. He is to share the text of a deal

:21:57. > :22:07.with his ministers, but it won't be made public. There are sticking

:22:08. > :22:11.points. Protests have held up development on a migrant camp on the

:22:12. > :22:17.island of Kos. The country has been criticised by the EU on the way it

:22:18. > :22:20.is handling the migrant crisis. As we have just been reporting...

:22:21. > :22:23.A new push to help women at risk of violent abuse by their partners.

:22:24. > :22:26.Violent men, or those who pose a risk of violence,

:22:27. > :22:28.will be given intensive support to change their ways.

:22:29. > :22:31.It's part of a new programme called Drive, which will be tested

:22:32. > :22:37.It's hoped it will change vulnerable women's lives.

:22:38. > :22:40.The Eagles of Death Metal, whose concert in Paris

:22:41. > :22:43.was interrupted last year by terrorists who went on to kill 89

:22:44. > :22:47.people in the Bataclan three months ago,

:22:48. > :22:57.return to play the gig they never finished.

:22:58. > :23:05.The frontman Jesse Hughes said he didn't want to let anyone down.

:23:06. > :23:10.Unemployment has fallen by 60,000. It currently stands at 1.69 million

:23:11. > :23:13.people. "Shocking" says a campaign group

:23:14. > :23:16.who looked at the sugar levels of hot drinks in popular

:23:17. > :23:18.high street cafes. Some have more than 20

:23:19. > :23:20.teaspoons of sugar in them. Starbucks was the worst offender,

:23:21. > :23:24.with 25 teaspoons in one of its hot Hugh has all the sport and news

:23:25. > :23:36.of a defeat for Chelsea in Paris. In football - the Champions League

:23:37. > :23:39.was back last night. The first English club to play

:23:40. > :23:43.in the knock-out stages was Chelsea and they lost the away leg

:23:44. > :23:46.of their tie with Paris St Boss, Guus Hiddink, says the tie

:23:47. > :23:50.is "50-50" with the return leg In the end a goal from ?55 million

:23:51. > :23:58.substitute, Edinson Cavani, the difference, but Hiddink

:23:59. > :24:00.says their away goal That was the hottest

:24:01. > :24:03.ticket in town last night but what about Manchester United

:24:04. > :24:10.away at Denmark's FC Midtylland?? Well, United fans are due

:24:11. > :24:13.to protest at the ?71 price they are being charged for a ticket

:24:14. > :24:15.for their Europa League Angered more by the fact Southampton

:24:16. > :24:20.fans were only charged ?22 to go tot the same ground

:24:21. > :24:23.in a European play-off And we will also hear

:24:24. > :24:27.from Ronnie O'Sullivan, who has responded to all of those

:24:28. > :24:29.who called him disrespectful. That was after winning his second

:24:30. > :24:36.round match 4-0, in just 38 minutes. Clearly controversy doesn't

:24:37. > :24:41.throw him off his game. That and more coming

:24:42. > :24:46.up just after 10:00. Tomorrow a big European summit takes

:24:47. > :24:49.place in which David Cameron hopes to get agreement on changes

:24:50. > :24:52.to the UKs relationship with Europe. The Prime Minister is seeking key

:24:53. > :24:55.changes on European integration, business competiveness,

:24:56. > :24:58.benefits restrictions An in-out referendum

:24:59. > :25:09.on whether the UK should remain within the EU will take place

:25:10. > :25:14.before the end of 2017. BUT how much does our

:25:15. > :25:37.membership of the EU cost - Our political guru, Norman Smith has

:25:38. > :25:40.been sorting out the facts from the fiction.

:25:41. > :25:45.It's what often shapes the way we vote, so are we quids in or do

:25:46. > :25:50.Here is my take on the euro fact and euro fiction when it comes

:25:51. > :25:57.Last year, the great British tax player handed over more than ?19

:25:58. > :26:00.Last year, the great British tax payer handed over more than ?19

:26:01. > :26:04.We got back 10 billion in the form of

:26:05. > :26:06.grants, farming subsidies and a cashback deal negotiated

:26:07. > :26:14.So overall, last year, the EU cost the British taxpayer

:26:15. > :26:20.That is a Euro fact, and that sum has doubled

:26:21. > :26:29.It looks to stay at that new higher level for

:26:30. > :26:41.Now, in Wales and Northern Ireland, people get more money back

:26:42. > :26:46.And it is the same story in poorer parts of the country.

:26:47. > :26:52.The EU has helped foot the bill for the roll-out of superfast

:26:53. > :26:56.broadband, business centres and a revamped airport,

:26:57. > :26:58.and an awful lot of road improvements.

:26:59. > :27:01.Euro fact - poorer parts of the UK do better

:27:02. > :27:08.Would we have oodles more cash to spend, spend,

:27:09. > :27:20.Because the money we would save amounts to just 1%

:27:21. > :27:35.If you got your euro billions back then the equivalent in terms

:27:36. > :27:43.of your weekly shop would be just enough for an extra ten cans

:27:44. > :27:46.of your weekly shop would be just enough for an extra tin cans

:27:47. > :27:53.Well, in fact, it is not peanuts because the equivalent money

:27:54. > :27:55.would not even buy you a bag of peanuts.

:27:56. > :27:58.There is also an awful lot of euro fog around when it comes

:27:59. > :28:02.Campaigners who want us to stay say every household

:28:03. > :28:04.is ?3,000 a year better off in because of foreign investment

:28:05. > :28:06.in the UK and access to Europe's single

:28:07. > :28:10.Campaigners who want us to leave say each household would be

:28:11. > :28:12.?1,000 a year better off out because we could get rid

:28:13. > :28:23.Working out whether we are better off in or

:28:24. > :28:26.out all depends on how you do the sums and who you ask,

:28:27. > :28:35.It is a right old political peasouper.

:28:36. > :28:39.So, can anyone prove definitively whether we are better off in or out?

:28:40. > :28:46.Will the row over the numbers run on?

:28:47. > :28:58.We'll have another film from Norman - looking at fact or fiction when it

:28:59. > :29:03.comes to red tape and the EU - on the programme tomorrow,

:29:04. > :29:06.and you can catch up on his first film, which looks at Britain

:29:07. > :29:17.and immigration, at bbc.co.uk/victoria.

:29:18. > :29:26.He is at Downing Street now, something happening? Boris Johnson

:29:27. > :29:30.walking into Downing Street after the Prime Minister told him, come

:29:31. > :29:35.over here because I need to talk to about that EU deal and the package

:29:36. > :29:39.I'm trying to put together. We saw Philip Hammond going in as well. Mr

:29:40. > :29:42.Cameron and his advisers are getting Boris Johnson in the room and saying

:29:43. > :29:50.to him, this is what we have got, what are you going to do? He has

:29:51. > :29:54.been sitting on the fence. Spoke to Boris Johnson and spoke to some of

:29:55. > :29:58.his people this morning. What I understand is, even after he has

:29:59. > :30:03.been given a grilling by Mr Cameron and his aides, he still isn't going

:30:04. > :30:08.to tell us what he has decided. He is going to hold on until Mr Cameron

:30:09. > :30:13.comes back from Brussels. And only then, so presumably on Friday night,

:30:14. > :30:18.will he actually tell us what he is going to do. Those close to him say

:30:19. > :30:26.he genuinely has not yet made up his mind. Genuinely, they said. When I

:30:27. > :30:29.say to them, it is all about his leadership, he is positioning

:30:30. > :30:36.himself to be the next Tory leader? They insist not. I say it is all

:30:37. > :30:41.about written's plays in Europe. The key thing is this, it underlines how

:30:42. > :30:45.important Boris Johnson is to Mr Cameron being able to sell best

:30:46. > :30:51.deal. What he does not want is on Friday night, if Mr Cameron gets

:30:52. > :30:55.this deal for Boris Johnson to come out and say, it's not good enough, I

:30:56. > :31:00.am not going to back it, I am going to campaign to leave. And all hell

:31:01. > :31:03.breaks loose, because you have a serious big beast ready to take on

:31:04. > :31:09.Mr Cameron over the deal. That is what may be ahead. Very interesting.

:31:10. > :31:18.We'll be finding out why America's gun owners feel so strongly

:31:19. > :31:28.about their right to carry firearms.

:31:29. > :31:40.Employment is up again. Give us the figures. They paint a robust view of

:31:41. > :31:48.our Labour market. Unemployment rate, 5.1%, the lowest since 2006.

:31:49. > :31:53.The jobless total fell by 60,000 to 1.69 million. The number of people

:31:54. > :32:00.in work is at 31.4 million. Robust Labour market. Concerns over the

:32:01. > :32:03.economy but the workforce is fine. We are interested in the impact on

:32:04. > :32:11.pay because you would imagine if you have a tightening Labour market, you

:32:12. > :32:17.would expect a to be pressured and be rising. Regular pay was 2%, which

:32:18. > :32:23.is down slightly, and pay including bonuses was down slightly. This is

:32:24. > :32:27.the big conundrum going on in the Labour market at the moment. It is

:32:28. > :32:29.very strong and you would expect that to mean it as cover for

:32:30. > :32:33.employees to get the right people and you would expect that to mean

:32:34. > :32:37.you would have to pay more to get the people and yet pay growth

:32:38. > :32:44.remains subdued at the moment. Give me the figure again, I am writing

:32:45. > :32:52.them down. Regular pay was running at around 2%, down 0.2%. Pay

:32:53. > :32:59.including bonuses, 1.9%. To-macro other important figures today.

:33:00. > :33:08.Firstly, public sector employment has fallen to the lowest level on

:33:09. > :33:14.record since 1999 at 5.35 million. Not a huge surprise given the cuts

:33:15. > :33:18.gone on on spending and the impacts on local councils. Finally, there is

:33:19. > :33:23.always a big debate about what impact the growth of migrant workers

:33:24. > :33:29.is having on our Labour market. The bold figures they have given us are

:33:30. > :33:40.that in the past year the increase in employment was 532,000. For

:33:41. > :33:47.migrant workers? Know, in general. The increase in non-UK nationals in

:33:48. > :33:55.employment was 250 4000. In the first year? Yes. -- 250 4000. To be

:33:56. > :33:59.clear, you cannot say that half of the new jobs went to non-UK

:34:00. > :34:03.migrants, it is much more complex than that but those are the rigours

:34:04. > :34:07.that we were given this morning. Good news for employment again. Yes,

:34:08. > :34:18.and Pensions Minister - Good news for employment again. Yes,

:34:19. > :34:22.record numbers now in work, we are delivering on our pledge to have

:34:23. > :34:27.growing numbers with the security of a pay packet and rising wages, and

:34:28. > :34:33.we are seeing growth across the economy. Record numbers of people

:34:34. > :34:39.aged 50 to 64 in work, and with young people the unemployment rate

:34:40. > :34:42.is lowest a decade. 86% of young people are either in full-time

:34:43. > :34:48.education or full-time work. Very good news today. What do you think

:34:49. > :34:55.about pay, though? It is not where it should be, is it? I challenge

:34:56. > :35:00.that. We have had 15 months of wages outstripping inflation by some way.

:35:01. > :35:04.1.9% this month compared to almost zero inflation. We have the national

:35:05. > :35:10.living wage coming in in April which will directly benefit 2.6 million

:35:11. > :35:13.and indirectly 6 million. For those with the national living wage, they

:35:14. > :35:14.are looking at a 40% H The Truth About The Harry Quebere Affair pay

:35:15. > :35:27.rise over the next five it is about 2.5 million people who

:35:28. > :35:31.do not pay income tax. Inflation is so low. Average wages are above that

:35:32. > :35:38.inflation is so low. Average wages have gone up but the rate is slowing

:35:39. > :35:43.and that does not make sense when unemployment is coming down. What is

:35:44. > :35:48.going on? 15 months, a good friend, the gap is widening and we wanted to

:35:49. > :35:54.continue. The key indicator is that we have 776 thousand vacancies, a

:35:55. > :35:57.record number. The supply and demand economics will suggest that

:35:58. > :36:02.continues to go up. The national living wage will filter through to 6

:36:03. > :36:06.million people and that will continue to push that. Whilst wages

:36:07. > :36:13.are higher than inflation, that means more money in people's pocket.

:36:14. > :36:17.Why do you think there is this anomaly? You have got an economy

:36:18. > :36:21.that has low inflation, there will be it's going there, but as long as

:36:22. > :36:27.it is ahead of inflation and there is more money in pockets, it is the

:36:28. > :36:31.trend. 15 consecutive months, there is nothing to suggest it will flip a

:36:32. > :36:34.separate way, particularly given the national living wage and record

:36:35. > :36:43.numbers of vacancies, meaning supply and demand means wages outstrip

:36:44. > :36:46.inflation, leaving more money in people's pocket. You have not

:36:47. > :36:50.answered the question, I will move on. The national living wage, when

:36:51. > :36:56.that comes in, and one says it will attract more EU members. We other

:36:57. > :37:02.jobs factory of Europe. Nine out of ten jobs are for UK nationals. Since

:37:03. > :37:10.2010, Emily and you came nationals have gone into work. -- since 2010,

:37:11. > :37:14.EU nationals. We are creating 1000 jobs a day, we are the envy of

:37:15. > :37:19.Europe. Sometimes visitors will have to look whether our skills

:37:20. > :37:24.shortages. In the long term, we have reformed the education system, we

:37:25. > :37:27.are delivering university technical colleges, we have the pledge to

:37:28. > :37:31.deliver 3 million apprenticeships are 2020, so we are skinning up the

:37:32. > :37:35.next generation of workers to directly benefit growth in the

:37:36. > :37:40.economy. When it is brought in, do you accept it will attract more EU

:37:41. > :37:45.workers to the UK? It benefits all hard-working people... This question

:37:46. > :37:51.is about EU workers. When the national living wage is brought in

:37:52. > :37:57.Will it attracts, in your view, more EU workers to Britain? It will

:37:58. > :38:02.attract as many vacancies at our available, whether our skill

:38:03. > :38:07.shortages. By reforming our education system, by supporting

:38:08. > :38:10.those already in Europe, -- work, particularly with the introduction

:38:11. > :38:14.of Universal Credit, with a named coach, giving opportunities to

:38:15. > :38:18.anything from additional childcare and training, that UK nationals have

:38:19. > :38:24.that opportunity to take advantage of that growing economy. We are the

:38:25. > :38:29.envy of Europe, the jobs factory of Europe, we are creating 1000 jobs a

:38:30. > :38:33.day right across all sectors in the economy. A balanced and sustainable

:38:34. > :38:38.recovery and that is something as a government we are proud to do. I

:38:39. > :38:40.need to ask you about EU negotiations because it is the big

:38:41. > :38:46.story of the weak politically and for many voting in the referendum.

:38:47. > :38:50.24 hours before the summit begins, sticking point is child benefit. If

:38:51. > :39:01.the government going to be prepared to accept those planned curbs on

:39:02. > :39:07.child benefit -- benefits? I think it will be a long 24 hours, we will

:39:08. > :39:10.have to see what comes forward. The Prime Minister is extremely good at

:39:11. > :39:14.these negotiations, he is well respected comic he has shown he will

:39:15. > :39:19.always put our economic security is. We are making it clear that we want

:39:20. > :39:30.to keep the pound, we are against ever closer EU integration. I know

:39:31. > :39:33.but I asked specifically about child benefit and whether the government

:39:34. > :39:38.would concede and say, we agree, it is only for new arrivals, this

:39:39. > :39:42.reduction in child benefits, which would mean it affects current

:39:43. > :39:48.applicants. The prior minister has been clear in our demands. Some

:39:49. > :39:52.people say these negotiations would be easy. -- Prime Minister. Clearly

:39:53. > :39:56.not, there is opposition from a number of countries where they have

:39:57. > :40:00.claimants coming in. The cost is actually around ?55 million. It is

:40:01. > :40:05.more to do with the frustrations that the British public have with

:40:06. > :40:10.the EU. The European Union has an opportunity to respond over the next

:40:11. > :40:13.24 hours and I am sure more negotiations will occur. The Prime

:40:14. > :40:17.Minister is well respected and is good at these negotiations but

:40:18. > :40:21.ultimately it will be the British public who cast judgment, not you or

:40:22. > :40:27.me. We will have the same boat. We are the only government to trusted

:40:28. > :40:32.the British public. I remember when Labour blocked the people having the

:40:33. > :40:36.safe. We trust the public, negotiations are coming to an end,

:40:37. > :40:38.we will have a clearer picture. Thank you.

:40:39. > :40:49.Some well-known coffee chains are selling hot drinks containing 20

:40:50. > :40:54.spoons of sugar, we will get the worst offenders. It is nearly 10am.

:40:55. > :41:00.Time flies when you are having fun. Here is the weather. The weather has

:41:01. > :41:05.been topsy-turvy over the last few weeks. We have not had proper winter

:41:06. > :41:09.weather is Dutch. We are not alone. I will take you around the

:41:10. > :41:14.Mediterranean. In Madrid, the temperature was 9 degrees Celsius

:41:15. > :41:18.yesterday. The average is 12 and it is to do with the jet stream. The

:41:19. > :41:23.reason we have had clement conditions of late is because of the

:41:24. > :41:26.jet stream which has grown these pressures across the Mediterranean.

:41:27. > :41:33.You can see the undulation is here. The blue represents the colder air.

:41:34. > :41:38.We have a milder warmer conditions. The temperature in Crete, 28

:41:39. > :41:46.Celsius. It should normally be about 16 in February. Lovely. Not just

:41:47. > :41:49.Crete but Cyprus as well, parts of the Balkans. Very nice if you are

:41:50. > :42:01.picking the late holiday. It is half term. Very nice. Do know 16 years?

:42:02. > :42:02.61. Will remember that. In our country we have

:42:03. > :42:09.61. Will remember that. In our been chilly oblate but today,

:42:10. > :42:17.nowhere near as Chile. -- of late. All this blue air is pumping in bed

:42:18. > :42:21.if I stand back, you can see more mild air coming our way, so the

:42:22. > :42:25.topsy-turvy team continues. For some of us, it was a beautiful start to

:42:26. > :42:32.the day with a lovely sunrise like this, across central and

:42:33. > :42:39.southeastern England. Cardiff Simon sent a picture yesterday! A suburb

:42:40. > :42:43.photographer. You have a fabulous memory. -- suburb. In

:42:44. > :42:50.Clackmannanshire, fabulous weather. Lying whether in Northern Ireland

:42:51. > :42:53.and Scotland. A whole bands of rain and sleet is moving southward. If

:42:54. > :42:58.you like snow at lower levels, you might be lucky but it is a

:42:59. > :43:00.you like snow at lower levels, you might. Let's talk about the reason

:43:01. > :43:07.why. A weather front which is going to continue to push south these

:43:08. > :43:11.words. That has brought us all that rain, sleet and snow through the

:43:12. > :43:15.night. As it continues descending, it will brighten behind it. We have

:43:16. > :43:20.seen quite a bit of rain this morning. If you are travelling, bear

:43:21. > :43:25.it in mind. Surface water on the roads. In the Highlands, the

:43:26. > :43:30.Grampians, the central lowlands and the uplands. Any snow left across

:43:31. > :43:34.the Pennines will be above 300 metres or so. Through the course of

:43:35. > :43:41.the day, that will sink southwards. Some will be heavy. We could see a

:43:42. > :43:46.wintry flavour across Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire. A lower

:43:47. > :43:53.levels, some sleep. For Northern Ireland, after a wet dart, it is a

:43:54. > :44:01.beautiful afternoon. Bright spells or sunny spells. -- sleet. Across

:44:02. > :44:04.Scotland, a similar scenario. It will feel cold, in Edinburgh the

:44:05. > :44:09.maximum temperature is only four. Across northern England, brightening

:44:10. > :44:13.up. We see the rain, sleet and snow push down across the Midlands,

:44:14. > :44:18.edging into Cambridge. For the South East of England we hang on to the

:44:19. > :44:23.brighter skies the longest. Into the Midlands, down towards the Isle of

:44:24. > :44:28.Wight and into Somerset and Dorset, and also parts of Devon, we have the

:44:29. > :44:32.rain clearing up from Cornwall. It continues to pull away from Wales,

:44:33. > :44:37.moving eastwards. Through this evening and overnight, the

:44:38. > :44:40.temperature will drop. As the system continues moving southwards and

:44:41. > :44:44.eastwards, it will be mostly rain and that is what most of us will see

:44:45. > :44:48.but there will be snow largely on the hills. We could see wet snow in

:44:49. > :44:53.some places first thing in the morning lying on lower levels. The

:44:54. > :44:57.other scenario is that if we do have some heavy bursts, more of us could

:44:58. > :45:02.see some snow, but we think the first scenario is more likely.

:45:03. > :45:07.Behind that, clearer skies, widespread frost, the risk of ice,

:45:08. > :45:13.and still wintry showers continue in the north and west. Through

:45:14. > :45:18.tomorrow, slowly that band of rain, sleet and snow moves away. The sleet

:45:19. > :45:21.and snow in it becomes less of an issue as temperatures rise and then

:45:22. > :45:26.much day tomorrow than today for the bulk of the UK. Wintry showers Papa

:45:27. > :45:33.north-west Scotland and Northern Ireland. Tomorrow, we have a risk of

:45:34. > :45:43.thunder and hail. -- pepper. It turns milder this weekend.

:45:44. > :45:47.Can people who beat up and abuse their partners

:45:48. > :45:52.One charity working with offenders tells us about its approach.

:45:53. > :45:56.And, a woman who was repeatedly attacked by her ex-boyfriend

:45:57. > :46:02.and eventually left for dead by him in an attack in a pub car park.

:46:03. > :46:10.He just kept kicking me, kicking me and punching me. When I was

:46:11. > :46:16.unconscious, he was picking me up by my hair and drag me to a set of pins

:46:17. > :46:25.where he dropped me again and stood all over my body. Stewart says, what

:46:26. > :46:27.a strong and brave woman, well done. Somebody else has said, she is a

:46:28. > :46:30.brave and intelligent woman. A couple from Leeds who dramatically

:46:31. > :46:32.escaped gunmen at the Bataclan in Paris tell us why they felt

:46:33. > :46:35.compelled to return last night to the capital to watch

:46:36. > :46:47.the Eagles of Death Metal Just feel really, really fortunate.

:46:48. > :46:51.Not just that we managed to get out, but we escaped the worst of the

:46:52. > :46:53.trauma by not being on the floor. And, in just a moment we'll meet two

:46:54. > :46:57.women who have used illegal skin-whitening creams

:46:58. > :47:20.with very different results, The haggling continues over EU

:47:21. > :47:23.reform. Boris Johnson, who could be a key player, has arrived at Downing

:47:24. > :47:30.Street this morning to meet David Cameron. He the Prime Minister is

:47:31. > :47:36.expected to share the draft deal but it will be made public.

:47:37. > :47:39.And as we've just heard, unemployment has fallen by 60,000

:47:40. > :47:41.between October and December last year - it currently stands

:47:42. > :47:51.Average earnings, including bonuses are up by 1.9%.

:47:52. > :47:56.A new push to help women at risk of violent abuse by their partners.

:47:57. > :47:58.Violent men, or those who pose a risk of violence,

:47:59. > :48:01.will be given intensive support to change their ways.

:48:02. > :48:04.It's part of a new programme called Drive which will be tested

:48:05. > :48:10.It's hoped it will change vulnerable women's lives.

:48:11. > :48:18.He used to pick me up, throw me against the Radzi. He used a rag me

:48:19. > :48:27.about by my hair, punch me in the face and slap me. He would call me

:48:28. > :48:29.pasty names. He was just, he was just a horrible man.

:48:30. > :48:31.The Eagles of Death Metal, whose concert in Paris

:48:32. > :48:34.was interrupted last year by gunmen who killed 89 people

:48:35. > :48:36.in the Bataclan, return to play the gig they never finished.

:48:37. > :48:49.The frontman, Jesse Hughes, said he didn't want to let anyone down.

:48:50. > :48:52.Protests have held up the opening of a migrant camp on the Greek

:48:53. > :49:01.It is so Greece can process incoming migrants.

:49:02. > :49:03.But work on four other new Greek registration centres is completed.

:49:04. > :49:06.The country's been criticised by the EU for the way it's been

:49:07. > :49:10."Shocking" says a campaign group who looked at the sugar levels

:49:11. > :49:12.of hot drinks in popular high street cafes.

:49:13. > :49:15.Some have more than 20 teaspoons of sugar in them.

:49:16. > :49:16.Starbucks was alleged to be the worst offender,

:49:17. > :49:20.with 25 teaspoons in one of its hot fruit drinks.

:49:21. > :49:25.Let's catch up with all the sport now.

:49:26. > :49:28.Chelsea interim manager Guus Hiddink believes his team still

:49:29. > :49:31.have a 50-50 chance to make it through to the quarter-finals

:49:32. > :49:35.That's despite suffering a 2-1 defeat to Paris St Germain

:49:36. > :49:38.in the first leg of their round of 16 tie in the French

:49:39. > :49:44.Well it was PSG who went ahead through Zlatan Ibrahimovic's

:49:45. > :49:46.deflected free-kick, but that lead lasted just a few

:49:47. > :49:51.John Mikel Obi took advantage of some poor defending

:49:52. > :49:56.to bring Chelsea deservedly level on the stroke of half-time.

:49:57. > :49:59.But Chelsea couldn't hold on, Edison Cavani's late goal means PSG

:50:00. > :50:09.will arrive in London in three weeks time with a one-goal advantage.

:50:10. > :50:17.Defeat is never a good feeling, but you have to consider it is a two leg

:50:18. > :50:29.game and scoring away is always good. We had good defensive work.

:50:30. > :50:39.Hibs beat Edinburgh rivals Hearts in their fifth round Scottish Cup

:50:40. > :50:41.replay and Rangers beat Premiership side Kilmarnock.

:50:42. > :50:43.Bottom side Dundee United were beaten 3-0 at home

:50:44. > :50:44.by Motherwell in the Scottish Premiership.

:50:45. > :50:47.Manchester United fans are planning to protest about the ?71 ticket

:50:48. > :50:49.price for their Europa League game at Danish Champions Mityiland

:50:50. > :50:51.tomorrow, with a banner saying "SCAM-DANAVIA".

:50:52. > :50:54.Southampton supporters paid ?22 for a Europa League play-off match

:50:55. > :50:58.The protest comes just a fortnight after Liverpool fans successfully

:50:59. > :51:01.protested against a rise in top ticket prices, to ?77

:51:02. > :51:09.Mityiland haven't yet responded to requests for comment.

:51:10. > :51:11.A Russian footballer has taunted Turkish fans by revealing a T-shirt

:51:12. > :51:17.Lokomotiv Moscow's Dmitri Tarasov made the gesture after a match

:51:18. > :51:24.The T-shirt also revealed the words "the most polite president".

:51:25. > :51:27.The Europa League match was the biggest sporting encounter

:51:28. > :51:31.between the nations since Turkey shot down a Russian jet

:51:32. > :51:36.Ronnie O'Sullivan took just 38 minutes to reach the third

:51:37. > :51:40.round of the Welsh Open snooker after beating China's Tian Pengfay.

:51:41. > :51:43.The win came following his comments on Monday, when he turned down

:51:44. > :51:45.the chance of a 147 break because he believed the ?10,000

:51:46. > :51:54.Well, O'Sullivan was in superb form, claiming three century

:51:55. > :52:01.Afterwards the five-time world champion told the BBC

:52:02. > :52:07.that his comments on Monday were meant to be light-hearted.

:52:08. > :52:14.I wasn't taking it seriously, it was a bit of fun, a laugh. I hope

:52:15. > :52:20.everybody sees it that way. I don't see why we have to take everything

:52:21. > :52:23.so seriously these days. If it is so disrespectful, if everyone else can

:52:24. > :52:26.put in a performance like that, there is my cue, my chalk and my

:52:27. > :52:28.waistcoat, go and do it. That's all the sport for now

:52:29. > :52:31.we will have an update Good morning we're on BBC2

:52:32. > :52:41.and the BBC News Channel We will bring you the latest

:52:42. > :52:45.breaking news and if you send contributions to the various issues

:52:46. > :52:55.in the news today, we will do our best to read them out. Thanks to

:52:56. > :53:02.those who have reacted to the interview with Rayna, who was left

:53:03. > :53:05.for dead in the pub of a car park. Scheme is being launched to

:53:06. > :53:09.concentrate on the perpetrators to stop them reoffending, stop them

:53:10. > :53:17.beating up their partners. It was in reaction to that story today we

:53:18. > :53:21.spoke to Rayna. This tweet... Such a lovely and brave young woman. Her

:53:22. > :53:25.abusive ex might not have lost enough time in jail, but he has lost

:53:26. > :53:31.someone precious. Christina says, Rayna, by speaking

:53:32. > :53:35.out, you are helping to save lives, thank you.

:53:36. > :53:39.An e-mail from Graham, I needed to contact deal in response to the

:53:40. > :53:43.interview with Rayna. What a woman, so brave. How she was able to go on

:53:44. > :53:46.your programme and relay what happened to her show such good

:53:47. > :53:51.courage. If you are text in, it will be

:53:52. > :53:55.charged at the standard network rate.

:53:56. > :53:58.Illegal skin-whitening creams are being sold by high street

:53:59. > :54:01.cosmetic shops despite repeated prosecution -

:54:02. > :54:09.Products containing hydroquinone - a skin lightener which can damage

:54:10. > :54:13.the liver and nervous system - are readily available,

:54:14. > :54:14.leaving consumers unaware of the dangers they

:54:15. > :54:19.In London, trading standard departments say they're trying

:54:20. > :54:22.to crack down on the practice but admit it's becoming increasingly

:54:23. > :54:30.BBC London reporter Tarah Welsh has been finding out more.

:54:31. > :54:33.Irene has had a successful modelling career with dark skin but in recent

:54:34. > :54:38.She is originally from Cameroon where creams containing skin

:54:39. > :54:44.Growing up, you see your aunties, your mum, putting something

:54:45. > :54:49.with the cream to make her complexion.

:54:50. > :54:52.She has used creams containing hydroquinone, and you can see

:54:53. > :54:57.from the change how powerful the chemical is.

:54:58. > :55:00.Irene says her chemicals were prescribed by a doctor

:55:01. > :55:02.but all over London people are buying the substance

:55:03. > :55:04.from illicit dealers and putting their health

:55:05. > :55:10.It can damage the liver and nervous system as well as causing skin

:55:11. > :55:16.Sarah was just 14 when she started lightening her skin.

:55:17. > :55:19.My skin became patchy, very uneven, which then caused problems for me

:55:20. > :55:22.because I didn't know how to balance it out,

:55:23. > :55:26.so I would continue to put more in a darker area and it became very

:55:27. > :55:38.That is why it is illegal to sell cosmetics containing this

:55:39. > :55:45.This is some of what has been seized from shop shelves

:55:46. > :55:49.The product is labelled with hydroquinone,

:55:50. > :55:53.and that is a banned ingredient, and throughout Europe it has been

:55:54. > :55:55.banned since 2001, and retailers are under obligation

:55:56. > :55:58.to check their products and ingredients list

:55:59. > :56:00.and if they check it they will see it contains an ingredient

:56:01. > :56:06.In Southwark, we have done test purchases,

:56:07. > :56:11.and in 50% of shops they are willing to sell it if pushed.

:56:12. > :56:14.Half of people selling products in Southwark are selling this stuff?

:56:15. > :56:19.Well, in certain areas, the problem is quite severe.

:56:20. > :56:23.We were tipped off by shops that have broken the law again and again,

:56:24. > :56:27.and at this shop in Peckham, our undercover researcher asked

:56:28. > :56:30.for a cream that contains hydroquinone as an ingredient.

:56:31. > :56:48.It is not on display and comes from under the counter and we ask

:56:49. > :57:12.But the businessman has the solution.

:57:13. > :57:16.He will rip the shop's name and address off.

:57:17. > :57:20.He has already been fined for selling lightening creams

:57:21. > :57:27.He is also awaiting sentencing for selling cream whitening creams

:57:28. > :57:37.Here it is, an illegal green whitening cream manufactured

:57:38. > :57:49.In Dalston, what we find is more worrying.

:57:50. > :57:52.He is telling us that the chemical hydroquinone is in these products

:57:53. > :57:55.but is not listed on the ingredients.

:57:56. > :58:01.Remember, it has been banned by the EU since 2001.

:58:02. > :58:09.Lab tests reveal the presence of hydroquinone in three of the four

:58:10. > :58:12.creams sold by the outlets, and one of them is twice as powerful

:58:13. > :58:18.as those that are prebscribed by a doctor in the UK.

:58:19. > :58:21.It did not take us long to get our hands on all of this

:58:22. > :58:25.and what is really scary is that some of these creams do not actually

:58:26. > :58:28.list the banned ingredients in them so people can pick them up off

:58:29. > :58:30.the shelves, not knowing that they can be potentially harmful.

:58:31. > :58:34.If you were liberally applying these creams you don't know how much

:58:35. > :58:40.of the chemicals are contained in them, it could be dangerous

:58:41. > :58:51.So what does the repeat offender have to say for himself?

:58:52. > :58:54.The shops have been illegally selling skin whitening cream

:58:55. > :58:56.containing the chemical hydroquinone, do you have any

:58:57. > :59:00.This cream can cause real harm to the public.

:59:01. > :59:05.You have been prosecuted numerous times for selling this,

:59:06. > :59:18.You know what I'm talking about, the screen whitening cream

:59:19. > :59:20.containing hydroquinone that you have been selling repeatedly?

:59:21. > :59:28.Thousands of the illegal skin whitening creams have been seized

:59:29. > :59:30.by Trading Standards and major shipments seized at our ports

:59:31. > :59:32.but despite heavy fines, shops like these just

:59:33. > :59:38.It begs the question - when even the courts do not act

:59:39. > :59:41.as a deterrent, what can be done to keep dangerous cosmetics

:59:42. > :59:47.So why do people using skin whitening creams?

:59:48. > :59:50.Let's talk now to Saira Oladokun - who's skin was burnt

:59:51. > :00:00.And Irene Major frequently uses them.

:00:01. > :00:09.Welcome. Thank you for coming on the programme. Sarah, you were buying

:00:10. > :00:15.skin whitening products at the age of 14, tell us why. I was pretty

:00:16. > :00:21.insecure in my skin, I felt that being lighter meant you were more

:00:22. > :00:26.beautiful. I did not feel comfortable in my skin so I decided

:00:27. > :00:33.to lighten it. What kind of creams without naming names? I started

:00:34. > :00:39.using lemons, that is a cheaper alternative is a teenager. I then

:00:40. > :00:44.used toning lotions and creams. What's different is that it make to

:00:45. > :00:49.your skin is Mark my skin got patchy and started to burn in certain

:00:50. > :00:54.areas. It reached a level of sensitivity I thought it would never

:00:55. > :00:58.get to. OK, I think we have some picked his way you can see the burn

:00:59. > :01:03.marks if you like at the top of your forehead. Either side of your

:01:04. > :01:09.forehead. Around the temple. How painful was it? It really hurt, it

:01:10. > :01:14.was stinging, and even though it was, I would continue to put it on

:01:15. > :01:19.my skin. Before that stage, were you pleased with the results? It gave me

:01:20. > :01:23.a slight boost in confidence which was interesting, and I was pleased

:01:24. > :01:26.with some of the results I was seeing but when I saw the side

:01:27. > :01:31.effects, that is when I questioned whether I am doing the right thing.

:01:32. > :01:37.How much lighter was your skin? This is your natural colour. Three or

:01:38. > :01:42.four shades lighter. People definitely did notice but did not

:01:43. > :01:48.assembly say anything to me. My family members and close relatives

:01:49. > :01:52.noticed a change colour. In a positive way? I think they were

:01:53. > :01:57.confused. I was brought up to love myself and have not received harsh

:01:58. > :02:00.comments about my skin and I was pretty confident as a person so they

:02:01. > :02:06.were waiting for me to give a reason why I was giving such lotions on my

:02:07. > :02:13.face. Lorraine, why few regular use skin whitening products? I use it to

:02:14. > :02:22.even out my skin tone. I mean, is a black person, whatever is under the

:02:23. > :02:31.sun will get darker. That is what I do. Everybody does it. The cream I

:02:32. > :02:35.am using is there for everyone. The issue in this whole thing is that

:02:36. > :02:39.you were using it at 14 and did not know the ingredients, all you knew

:02:40. > :02:43.was you would get lighter. We kind of ignore it in a way. If we educate

:02:44. > :02:49.youngsters throughout this whole thing it would be better. We have

:02:50. > :02:51.shown our audience pictures of you before and after and there was a

:02:52. > :03:00.difference in colour, that is not just about even in the town. I was

:03:01. > :03:07.wearing make up as well. -- even in the tone. You look like a white

:03:08. > :03:11.person. Do I? You can see that yourself and stop the make up was

:03:12. > :03:16.much lighter. The darker the better when I used to model. Even Naomi

:03:17. > :03:23.Campbell... Everybody went through UV treatment. I actually went under

:03:24. > :03:27.the sun and had a darker option because it was better if you are

:03:28. > :03:33.doing a bikini shoot. You need to look the part all the way round. All

:03:34. > :03:37.of these things are dangerous to us, they all kill and have an effect. I

:03:38. > :03:42.am certain of that. I am against under the counter products but I

:03:43. > :03:47.wish we all knew what we are putting ourselves through. What reaction

:03:48. > :03:56.have you had an black people to the fact you have used such products?

:03:57. > :04:01.Very bad, very bad. I could have thrown myself under a bus. Everybody

:04:02. > :04:06.will do something to even out their skin, they call it toning. Why do

:04:07. > :04:15.you get such a bad reaction? It is terrible, you do not talk about it.

:04:16. > :04:22.Western people can go under the sun and get sunburn. Everybody goes and

:04:23. > :04:28.buys it. People think it is some kind of portrayal of your heritage?

:04:29. > :04:35.You tell me stop my husband is Canadian, he is white, I have five

:04:36. > :04:40.children. Somehow I have been brainwashed by westernisation.

:04:41. > :04:44.People reminding of slavery 400 years ago and tell me I'm becomings

:04:45. > :04:51.trying to become white. It is a taboo thing. We have too many

:04:52. > :04:57.hang-ups, and I wish my community could wake up a bit more. I am here

:04:58. > :05:01.for the freedom of choice, freedom of speech. I'm here for my daughter

:05:02. > :05:11.to say, when you grow up, stand for yourself. Make your own choices.

:05:12. > :05:15.This tweet, if we did not have such a white beauty industry, this would

:05:16. > :05:26.not be a problem. I agree and disagree. I was a successful model,

:05:27. > :05:31.very dark, so I never did that then. I do not look at what other people

:05:32. > :05:35.are doing. I mean, the dress you are wearing, we change our looks to what

:05:36. > :05:40.we like to see. For me, this is part of it all and I love seeing what I

:05:41. > :05:45.look like. You talked about your family's reaction and nobody said

:05:46. > :05:48.anything to stop you are a confident person, why are you lightening your

:05:49. > :05:51.skin is Mark I don't want to put words in your mouth but using people

:05:52. > :06:00.were thinking, I know your parents are from Nigeria, why do not want to

:06:01. > :06:03.look like a Nigerian? I did not bleach to be light skin, I just

:06:04. > :06:08.wanted to be a lighter shade of round. Having Nigerian parents, I

:06:09. > :06:15.was brought up to love myself regardless. I would definitely say

:06:16. > :06:27.it is to do with the industry. If I were to go into Boots or Superdrug,

:06:28. > :06:30.I would look at the foundation rage, and I was growing young girl and

:06:31. > :06:33.wanted to buy something to make myself more confident or feel

:06:34. > :06:40.prettier, I would expect to kind of see my shades in a shop. You can get

:06:41. > :06:45.all that online. You need to see it in a High Street shop quest might

:06:46. > :06:49.know, but at the end of the day, the type of country we are in, there are

:06:50. > :06:52.a range of different skin colours, ethnicities, people from different

:06:53. > :06:56.cultures, so I feel like we should be provided with the products that

:06:57. > :07:01.other people are provided with, whether it be the High Street or

:07:02. > :07:05.online. You will never use skin lightening creams again? Never.

:07:06. > :07:07.Thank you very much. Some well-known coffee chains

:07:08. > :07:11.are selling hot drinks containing We'll take a look at

:07:12. > :07:18.the worst offenders. A couple from Leeds who dramatically

:07:19. > :07:21.escaped gunmen at the Bataclan in Paris tell us why they felt

:07:22. > :07:24.compelled to return last night to watch the Eagles of Death Metal

:07:25. > :07:26.finish their concert. Tony Scott and Justine Merton,

:07:27. > :07:47.from Leeds, were at the Bataclan They escaped through a skylight in

:07:48. > :08:00.the roof while venue was under siege.

:08:01. > :08:02.Last night, the band returned and paid tribute to those that lost

:08:03. > :08:06.their lives. Let's take a moment

:08:07. > :08:09.to remember and then MUSIC: Only Want You by

:08:10. > :08:38.Eagles of Death Metal Tony Scott and Justine Merton

:08:39. > :08:41.from Leeds were at the Bataclan So they felt compelled

:08:42. > :08:45.to return last night We spoke to them exclusively just

:08:46. > :08:50.days after the Paris attacks, Thank you very much for talking

:08:51. > :08:59.to others, both of you, It was kind of, it was a gig

:09:00. > :09:12.like any other, but not in the same We have been at some gigs since,

:09:13. > :09:19.in terms of getting back Last night, there was still a fair

:09:20. > :09:32.amount of trepidation going there. There was an awful lot

:09:33. > :09:34.of security, which was There was armed guards

:09:35. > :09:47.outside the venue. Once you were inside,

:09:48. > :09:49.the atmosphere was really good and everyone was there

:09:50. > :09:57.to have a good time. After a while it was almost

:09:58. > :10:00.like any other than once in awhile you would remember why

:10:01. > :10:02.you were there, really. I kept looking back at the exit

:10:03. > :10:04.doors, on occasion. We do tend to find ourselves

:10:05. > :10:09.making sure where exits Something we never

:10:10. > :10:11.thought of before. We didn't relax as much

:10:12. > :10:17.as we would at some gigs. But it was a good gig

:10:18. > :10:19.and it was good to Kind of finish what

:10:20. > :10:28.we started, really. If the band could come back

:10:29. > :10:31.and play, we could go back It kind of felt like

:10:32. > :10:40.something we had to do. I think we're both

:10:41. > :10:42.pleased we did it. How moving was it

:10:43. > :10:46.during the silence? It was moving to

:10:47. > :10:48.begin with but still He felt like, shut up,

:10:49. > :11:10.have some respect for people. We were lucky. There were a lot of

:11:11. > :11:16.people at the Bataclan. It was a moment of silence and reflection to

:11:17. > :11:20.all the families and people who lost their lives. One or two people

:11:21. > :11:26.shouted out which they should not have done. We spoke to you several

:11:27. > :11:32.days after the attack last time, and I want to play a little of what you

:11:33. > :11:42.said back then. Here it is. We go to a lot of gigs, we met at a rock

:11:43. > :11:46.concert, and we more often than not go down the front, on the floor, but

:11:47. > :11:52.we got there late, it was sold out and there were a lot of people so we

:11:53. > :11:58.went to the back to get a good view. These little decisions which seemed

:11:59. > :12:01.insignificant, they were the difference between life and death on

:12:02. > :12:05.Friday. When you heard the gunshots, what did you do this remark we

:12:06. > :12:12.thought it was part of the show. And then it became clear that that was

:12:13. > :12:17.gunfire, and it was like, get down, get down, and we felt to be floor.

:12:18. > :12:20.We felt the floor and hid behind the seeds and lay there for what felt

:12:21. > :12:29.like an eternity but it was about five minutes, and the shots kept

:12:30. > :12:33.coming, and the lights came on. There would be a few seconds silence

:12:34. > :12:37.and they were reloading and they kept going. I remember saying to

:12:38. > :12:41.Tony, we have got to get out because I just knew that they were just

:12:42. > :12:45.going round systematically shooting people and if we stayed there, all

:12:46. > :12:51.they needed to do was come up the stairs and we would be next. There

:12:52. > :12:54.was an exit behind us which led back to the main hall so we did not want

:12:55. > :13:00.to go that way, and then we saw there was an exit if we called

:13:01. > :13:06.towards the stage, at law there. We were crawling along behind the

:13:07. > :13:11.chairs on our bellies, shuffling along, but there were gaps between

:13:12. > :13:21.rows of seats which were exposed as we went through it. We assumed the

:13:22. > :13:25.gunmen were down on the floor but from reports they were on the

:13:26. > :13:30.balcony as well. There was that fear between having to get from where we

:13:31. > :13:36.were hiding to wear we were exposed to wear we were hidden again. Once

:13:37. > :13:46.you got through the door, then what? We got onto the roof. People were

:13:47. > :13:50.being ushered. There was a rooftop apartment, we were not exactly sure

:13:51. > :13:56.where it was, but we worked it out in retrospect, we were ushered up

:13:57. > :14:05.their, and somebody lived there, and it would getting people in through

:14:06. > :14:12.the window. He was welcome you in? Yes, that house, just the bravery,

:14:13. > :14:15.he could have just sat there with the lights down and hidden on the

:14:16. > :14:23.floor but he didn't come he was getting people in. -- he didn't, he

:14:24. > :14:26.was getting people in. I think the lights went off at one point and we

:14:27. > :14:34.were in darkness but we could still hear gunfire, and it was like bursts

:14:35. > :14:40.of gunfire and we still didn't know if we were safe. That was you to

:14:41. > :14:44.talking to us back in November, obviously. How do you both reflect

:14:45. > :14:51.now on what you experienced that night? I think we both just feel

:14:52. > :14:57.really, really fortunate, not just that we managed to get out but that

:14:58. > :15:01.we escaped the worst of the trauma by not being on the floor. You read

:15:02. > :15:07.the accounts of people who were down there, lying among the dead and

:15:08. > :15:15.dying. We got away lightly and we just feel really, really fortunate.

:15:16. > :15:21.The same for you Tony? Yes, exactly. We escaped pretty much unscathed.

:15:22. > :15:33.Physically, and for the most part emotionally, yes. There were people

:15:34. > :15:46.with horrific injuries. Part of our trip to Paris, we went to the

:15:47. > :15:56.Bataclan yesterday morning and late sunflowers down there. For us that

:15:57. > :16:02.was more traumatic than they did, really. -- summer flowers. We

:16:03. > :16:05.realised how close we were, we could see the window where we were hiding

:16:06. > :16:12.and we realised how close we were to it, really. When we were hiding, I

:16:13. > :16:18.kept saying, we are safe, we are safe, and you look and realise we

:16:19. > :16:22.weren't really. We do feel really, really fortunate and ever so

:16:23. > :16:24.grateful to everyone that night and since then, who have shown us love

:16:25. > :16:34.and compassion. I remember on the day you spoke to

:16:35. > :16:39.me in November, you talked a lot about you didn't want what happened

:16:40. > :16:44.in Paris to lead to more hatred, more revenge, if you like. We talked

:16:45. > :16:51.a lot of love and compassion. Has it been borne out in the months since,

:16:52. > :16:55.for you at least? Absolutely, we retraced our steps to where the

:16:56. > :17:00.police had led us to like a safe area and there had been... There was

:17:01. > :17:05.a little wine bar that stayed open and gave us cups of tea and coffee

:17:06. > :17:08.that night. We were able to go back and say thank you to the woman in

:17:09. > :17:13.there, which was really lovely. It was nice to to be able to say thank

:17:14. > :17:19.you to at least one of the people who helped us will stop how did you

:17:20. > :17:26.react? She was taken aback at first, but thank us for coming back to

:17:27. > :17:33.Paris. It was nice to say thank you to some of these people. A lot of

:17:34. > :17:40.people helped us that night. Just to say thank you to one of them was

:17:41. > :17:46.good for us. We really, really eight appreciated all those little

:17:47. > :17:52.gestures. There was more love on that evening and there was hatred.

:17:53. > :17:57.Without a doubt. Thank you for talking to us again on the

:17:58. > :17:58.programme. We appreciate you talking from Paris this morning. Thank you.

:17:59. > :18:04.Thank you. Why do American gun owners feel

:18:05. > :18:07.so strongly about their right We've been to meet some gun

:18:08. > :18:15.enthusiasts in Virginia. The haggling continues

:18:16. > :18:20.over EU reform. Boris Johnson, the London Mayor

:18:21. > :18:23.who could be a key player in the UK referendum, has arrived

:18:24. > :18:34.at Downing Street this morning Norman Smith is there. Did he say

:18:35. > :18:41.anything on the way out? The fact David Cameron had to summon him to

:18:42. > :18:45.Downing Street, it underlines how pivotal he may be if Mr Cameron is

:18:46. > :18:50.going to win this referendum. We note Doris Johnson has been sitting

:18:51. > :18:55.on the fence, not telling us what he is going to do. He came into Downing

:18:56. > :19:00.Street this morning. I understand the issue of concern in particular

:19:01. > :19:04.to him centres on the red card system, which is meant to give other

:19:05. > :19:12.countries the power to stop some EU laws. Not at all clear it convinced

:19:13. > :19:17.Doris Johnson. He was in with the Prime Minister for about 40 minutes.

:19:18. > :19:22.When he eventually emerged from the meeting after speaking to Mr Cameron

:19:23. > :19:26.and been shown the details of what Mr Cameron was proposing to do, he

:19:27. > :19:30.didn't say much. What he did say suggested he wanted more to be

:19:31. > :19:37.delivered by Mr Cameron. This is what he said. As the Prime Minister

:19:38. > :19:46.done enough to convince you? Are you satisfied? Is the deal good enough?

:19:47. > :19:55.I will be back. I will be back, no deal. I had a quick chat with him

:19:56. > :20:01.afterwards. My sense is, he will keep Mr Cameron waiting... And

:20:02. > :20:05.waiting, until he gets the deal. Once Mr Cameron comes back here,

:20:06. > :20:14.says what he is going to do, then and only then, I think Boris Johnson

:20:15. > :20:17.will say whether he is finally going back staying in or leave.

:20:18. > :20:20.Another drop in unemployment - it dropped by 60,000

:20:21. > :20:23.between October and December last year to the lowest for a decade.

:20:24. > :20:30.Average earnings, including bonuses, are up by 1.9%.

:20:31. > :20:33.Protests on the Greek island of Kos at the opening of a migrant camp

:20:34. > :20:38.But work on four other new Greek registration centres is completed.

:20:39. > :20:41.The country's been criticised by the EU for the way it's handled

:20:42. > :20:50.And 'shocking' that's the view of a campaign group who looked

:20:51. > :20:55.at the sugar levels of hot drinks in popular high street cafes.

:20:56. > :20:57.Some have more than 20 teaspoons of sugar in them.

:20:58. > :20:59.Starbucks was alleged to be the worst offender,

:21:00. > :21:03.with 25 teaspoons in one of its hot fruit drinks.

:21:04. > :21:17.Those are the headlines, here is the sport. This heading said his team's

:21:18. > :21:24.away goal against PSG could be pivotal. Manchester United fans are

:21:25. > :21:31.planning to protest about the ?71 they are being charged to watch the

:21:32. > :21:34.Europa League game tomorrow. The manager of Michael Schumacher says

:21:35. > :21:41.she hopes with continued support and patience, he will one day be back

:21:42. > :21:46.with us. He suffered severe head injuries in a skiing accident two

:21:47. > :21:48.years ago. After causing controversy, Ronnie O'Sullivan was

:21:49. > :21:55.in stunning form winning four frames in 38 minutes to reach the third

:21:56. > :21:56.round of the Welsh open. That is all the sport, I will be back on BBC

:21:57. > :21:58.news throughout the day. America has a population

:21:59. > :22:06.of over 300 million - and around the same number of legal

:22:07. > :22:08.guns in the country. President Obama says the biggest

:22:09. > :22:11.regret of his presidency is his failure to secure

:22:12. > :22:18.effective gun laws. It's estimated that between a third

:22:19. > :22:21.and half of all Americans own a gun America has more guns per resident

:22:22. > :22:25.than any other country The latest figures show

:22:26. > :22:31.that so far in 2016 - 1,566 people have already been

:22:32. > :22:33.killed through gun violence That's 1,566 people killed

:22:34. > :22:49.with a gun in the last 48 days. Just last night Governor Jeb Bush -

:22:50. > :22:53.who's running for US president - tweeted a picture of a handgun

:22:54. > :22:55.inscribed with his name It was ridiculed by many on Twitter

:22:56. > :23:01.but many others agree So what explains America's

:23:02. > :23:04.relationship with guns? Why do gun owners feel so strongly

:23:05. > :23:07.about their right to carry firearms? Our reporter Thomas Martienssen has

:23:08. > :23:09.visited Richmond in Virginia, and the Florida Everglades

:23:10. > :23:14.to try to find out. I would like to say there

:23:15. > :23:17.was a method, but there really isn't, I see something I want,

:23:18. > :23:20.it is like women's shoes, I mean, I love it, I have held

:23:21. > :23:35.full-time jobs before and I loved working those jobs but my true

:23:36. > :23:40.passion is firearms and guns. This has been a project of mine

:23:41. > :23:46.for quite a long time. I know we shot these the other day

:23:47. > :23:50.at the shooting range but this one Even though it says it shoots

:23:51. > :23:58.single-shot bursts in full auto, this is strictly semi-auto,

:23:59. > :24:01.I'd don't own any fully automatic weapons, it is just too expensive

:24:02. > :24:06.for my college budget. This is a really fun rifle,

:24:07. > :24:09.the largest rifle I have ever owned, That is definitely

:24:10. > :24:12.really fun to shoot. This is something I picked

:24:13. > :24:16.up not too long ago. By the way, all these guns

:24:17. > :24:19.are registered in my name. I purchased them all through local

:24:20. > :24:21.places in town or online But this is the only gun that is not

:24:22. > :24:26.registered in my name because it was actually an heirloom

:24:27. > :24:29.from my grandfather who passed away I have decided to hold onto that,

:24:30. > :24:33.that would be something When I say just like the one

:24:34. > :24:43.I carried in the military, This is a regular MP5 SD

:24:44. > :25:02.without the supressor. That is another AR15

:25:03. > :25:08.with a suppressor on it. I didn't have one so I ran up

:25:09. > :25:18.to the Walmart and bought one. One of the things I like about them

:25:19. > :25:29.is the pure mechanical artistry If you have ever really taken

:25:30. > :25:34.the time to look at a semi-automatic rifle or semi-automatic pistol,

:25:35. > :25:37.or even a revolver and watch how all of the intricate parts

:25:38. > :25:39.work with each other, I'm going to get a few more guns

:25:40. > :25:47.as soon as I can think When you want to hit the bull's-eye,

:25:48. > :25:51.that is pretty impressive, I think there is a romantic part

:25:52. > :25:56.of it, the freedom, there is something that people say,

:25:57. > :26:08.free men hold weapons, slaves don't. This one is in 1822 Simian North,

:26:09. > :26:15.one of the first pistols and armaments that the United States

:26:16. > :26:18.government decided to manufacture. The DNA of the United States

:26:19. > :26:23.is formed on that independence and self-reliance, plus there

:26:24. > :26:29.are other things too. Unlike Europe, we have vast expanses

:26:30. > :26:33.of land, we don't have cities that We have people who have lived out

:26:34. > :26:39.in little towns that have never been to a big city like New York

:26:40. > :26:43.or Chicago, and in those areas, the rifle is something that is just

:26:44. > :26:54.a tool that you keep in the truck. I am in school right now,

:26:55. > :26:57.at Virginia Commonwealth University, I am just getting my business degree

:26:58. > :27:01.but I think I want to stay in the firearms industry

:27:02. > :27:04.because I think it is not going to be going anywhere soon,

:27:05. > :27:06.it is going to get bigger, Whether I stay here for a long time

:27:07. > :27:14.or move on, I definitely want to stay in the

:27:15. > :27:17.industry for sure. This is our wall right here,

:27:18. > :27:20.we have all different types of makes That is definitely a fun gun,

:27:21. > :27:27.it has the light on the end. Super iconic if you have grown up

:27:28. > :27:30.in the 80s and loved all types So down on this section,

:27:31. > :27:56.the retail side, we have personal defence rounds right here,

:27:57. > :27:58.we sell hallowed points If you want to purchase a gun,

:27:59. > :28:06.an assault weapon, the ATF classifies an assault weapon

:28:07. > :28:08.as a rifle that has a collapsible stock like this one does,

:28:09. > :28:11.a pistol grip, can take a detachable magazine, a flashlighter

:28:12. > :28:22.and a bayonet. This does not have a bayonet but it

:28:23. > :28:25.does have three out of the five criteria which is the ATF's

:28:26. > :28:28.specification for what an assault When you get an AR15 online

:28:29. > :28:35.you will need to bring Driver's license, a carrying permit,

:28:36. > :28:40.voter ID card, vehicle registration and then a third form is going to be

:28:41. > :28:43.something like proof of citizenship, As soon as we get that we go online

:28:44. > :28:50.to the Virginia State police background check system,

:28:51. > :28:55.and we enter that information. I will submit mine or somebody

:28:56. > :29:00.will submit it for me when I am It will usually come approved right

:29:01. > :29:05.away and then we print out the approval form and they pay

:29:06. > :29:08.the transfer fee, which is $28, and they can take their gun

:29:09. > :29:12.home with them. You can usually get it

:29:13. > :29:14.that day, depending. That is in the state of Virginia,

:29:15. > :29:17.each state is different. Some states, I think

:29:18. > :29:19.you might have a wait period, but in Virginia, you can usually

:29:20. > :29:25.leave that day with your weapon. We have been taught,

:29:26. > :29:30.you have a gun, you go hunt animals and you feed the family,

:29:31. > :29:34.and I think if that is taken away from us, as Americans,

:29:35. > :29:36.we lose that sense, because we have been raised to take care

:29:37. > :29:42.of our families. The feeling you get,

:29:43. > :29:45.you have empowered yourself, and especially for women

:29:46. > :29:48.that is really important for us, to feel we are empowered

:29:49. > :29:51.and can protect ourselves. We get to go outside,

:29:52. > :29:54.we get to go to places like this, and we get to fire,

:29:55. > :29:57.and you can practice it, You have got antique gun collectors

:29:58. > :30:04.that get all excited about these I think there is so much benefit

:30:05. > :30:11.there. A lot of people are

:30:12. > :30:17.missing out on it. I always thought about what I would

:30:18. > :30:20.do if I wasn't into guns. Probably maybe still music,

:30:21. > :30:26.maybe something else, but I'm really glad I found some

:30:27. > :30:30.sort of niche, and I fell in love with it so it is

:30:31. > :30:42.definitely really fun. They talk about the 34,000 people

:30:43. > :30:45.that die from gun violence. What you really need to do

:30:46. > :30:47.is deconstruct that number and when you look at it, 61%

:30:48. > :30:50.of those gun deaths were suicide. When somebody hangs themselves,

:30:51. > :30:56.would you consider When you look at that number

:30:57. > :31:02.and break it down even further you are going to see that people

:31:03. > :31:04.talk about accidents. When a toddler accidentally shoots

:31:05. > :31:08.somebody or a father accidentally shoots his son or husband

:31:09. > :31:11.accidentally shoots his wife because she is coming in late,

:31:12. > :31:17.that is about 600 deaths a year. Again, in a country of 300 million,

:31:18. > :31:22.each one is tragic, but does it take And if you want to share that film -

:31:23. > :31:42.or watch it again - When you're getting a hot drink

:31:43. > :31:55.from a well-known high street coffee shop chains do you worry about how

:31:56. > :31:58.much sugar they contain? Would you even be able to guess how

:31:59. > :32:01.much sugar is in them? Of course not if you're anything

:32:02. > :32:04.like me! Well, the campaign group Action

:32:05. > :32:10.on Sugar is warning some flavoured coffees and other hot drinks contain

:32:11. > :32:12.dangerously high levels - and one even contains

:32:13. > :32:14.25 teaspoons of sugar. They looked at 131 drinks from 9

:32:15. > :32:20.of the UK biggest chains. 98 percent would be given a red

:32:21. > :32:23.nutritional value level And one third had at least the same

:32:24. > :32:30.amount of sugar as Coke - Jennifer Rosborough

:32:31. > :32:38.is a nutritionist and campaign Just explain what the recommended

:32:39. > :33:07.daily limit for added sugar The maximum amount is seven

:33:08. > :33:08.teaspoons a day. And for children? Depending on the age, five or six

:33:09. > :33:11.teaspoons. So we've been out to buy some

:33:12. > :33:14.of the worse offenders this morning. This is a Starbucks large Grape

:33:15. > :33:30.with Chai, Orange and Can I pull this out onto our bar?

:33:31. > :33:34.Look at how much sugar that is. How do you react to that? I am shocked,

:33:35. > :33:38.we carried out a survey and I am really shocked, it is over three

:33:39. > :33:44.times the amount are maximum recommended intake. In one drink.

:33:45. > :33:52.That is the equivalent of a packet of chocolate digestives. For

:33:53. > :33:58.dramatic effect, I will get the whole lot out of the packet beakers

:33:59. > :34:03.you would probably not the whole packet of chocolate digestives in

:34:04. > :34:12.one go. But you would get through the drink quite easily. You would

:34:13. > :34:16.not eat that in one go. That is the worst offender.

:34:17. > :34:23.Starbucks told us they don't sell it anymore - although we managed

:34:24. > :34:25.to buy it this morning - and we couldn't find anymore

:34:26. > :34:27.nutritional information on their website.

:34:28. > :34:34.This is Costa's large eat-in Chai Latte -

:34:35. > :34:36.it's a mixture of black tea, aromatic spices and is served

:34:37. > :34:54.How many teaspoons of sugar in that? 20 teaspoons of sugar. Here we go.

:34:55. > :35:03.Much more than you would put in a cup of coffee if you put its -- made

:35:04. > :35:08.it at home. That is 667 calories and 18 grams of fat. Have you react to

:35:09. > :35:20.that? That is shopping as well. -- how do you. -- shopping.

:35:21. > :35:25.This is Caffe Nero's drink-in Caramelatte.

:35:26. > :35:28.On Nero's website this drink is described as 'pure indulgence' -

:35:29. > :35:31.it has a shot of vanilla syrup, steamed milk, and is topped

:35:32. > :35:32.with whipped cream and caramel sauce.

:35:33. > :35:42.How much sugar? 13 teaspoons. You would expect more sugar. But not 13.

:35:43. > :35:55.Twice the amount of your maximum daily intake. 485 calories and 25

:35:56. > :36:02.grams of fat. What is the problem? We don't drink these as treats. We

:36:03. > :36:06.go to coffee shops every morning before work, it is routine, it is

:36:07. > :36:10.habitual, and people are just not aware of the amount of sugar in them

:36:11. > :36:15.impaired to how much we should or shouldn't be having a day. What you

:36:16. > :36:21.want to see happen? We want people to be more informed and feel

:36:22. > :36:23.empowered to they make choices but that target a small amount of the

:36:24. > :36:28.population who look at the information and can interpret it so

:36:29. > :36:31.the population BLEEP was possibility is on the coffee chain manufacturers

:36:32. > :36:35.to reduce the amount of sugar because there is no reason why there

:36:36. > :36:41.should be 20 or 25 spoons of sugar in one drink alone. There is, it

:36:42. > :36:47.tastes really nice! That is because we have got used to that, everything

:36:48. > :36:51.is getting sweeter. Not everything. A lot of the drinks we looked at

:36:52. > :36:57.getting sweeter. If we gradually reduce them, then we do not notice

:36:58. > :37:04.the change so much. A gradual reduction will be the best approach.

:37:05. > :37:08.How much more sugar is there in this massive hot fruit drink compared to

:37:09. > :37:15.this? Three times the amount. A shocking amount of sugar in the

:37:16. > :37:22.cola. Nine teaspoons. There was just under three times the amount of

:37:23. > :37:27.sugar in that drink. Over three times the amount of sugar. I see

:37:28. > :37:32.what you mean. There is more sugar in that than that. That will be

:37:33. > :37:37.interesting to our audience because there is no way I realised that. Let

:37:38. > :37:41.me read comments from people. Deb says, the nanny state are out in

:37:42. > :37:48.force. If you are bothered, you would not drink it. I don't think

:37:49. > :37:52.people realise there was that dangerous high amount of sugar in

:37:53. > :37:58.these drinks. Why is it dangerous? We know that sugar contributes to

:37:59. > :38:04.weight gain, tooth decay, type two diabetes, so it does cause health

:38:05. > :38:09.problems and if we are not aware, we would carry on drinking. We have

:38:10. > :38:14.become accustomed to the sweet taste. They have grabbed good

:38:15. > :38:29.headlines with their 25 spoonfuls of sugar. This is in the Starbucks

:38:30. > :38:36.vente. It is a size was of course. How many do they sell a week? Do we

:38:37. > :38:40.know? It might be off their menu is a festive drink that you can still

:38:41. > :38:44.ask for that. Let's see what the various companies say. Starbucks

:38:45. > :38:58.told us: how do you react to that? They cooperate really well. They are

:38:59. > :39:02.looking to make changes but if we think about the amount of sugar in

:39:03. > :39:09.them, we just need more change than that. You mean, that is taking too

:39:10. > :39:17.long, or the 25% reduction by 2020 is not enough? We would like to see

:39:18. > :39:22.higher. 40%, 50%? 40% by 2020 would be realistic but it does take time

:39:23. > :39:24.for manufacturers to put it in place and reduce the amount of sugar.

:39:25. > :39:29.David Cameron is and reduce the amount of sugar.

:39:30. > :39:33.childhood obesity strategy any time now so we want these mandatory

:39:34. > :39:38.targets for sugar reduction in food and drink and be a part of that.

:39:39. > :39:49.Mandatory and not voluntary. The Starbucks statement goes on:

:39:50. > :39:52.We offer a wide variety of lighter options, sugar-free syrups

:39:53. > :39:54.and sugar-free natural sweetener and we display all nutritional

:39:55. > :39:59.yes, it is displayed in store but some people will be more

:40:00. > :40:03.health-conscious and read the information but they need to take

:40:04. > :40:07.responsibility as well, so selling cup sizes that big is unnecessary,

:40:08. > :40:13.go for smaller portions. Ban the large cuts? Get yes. No way! Take

:40:14. > :40:18.the trees away from the consumer? They do an extra large cup now so

:40:19. > :40:25.even if we went to a smaller drink, that would cut the sugar. But it is

:40:26. > :40:46.up to us! We want to see smaller amounts of portion sizes. Costa

:40:47. > :40:49.say... Is that enough for you? It is good they are moving in the right

:40:50. > :40:54.erection, that is why we do this kind of survey and that is what we

:40:55. > :40:56.ultimately want to see. We also approached Caffe Nero for a

:40:57. > :41:05.statement but they have not come back to us yet. Thank you very much

:41:06. > :41:08.for coming on the programme. We await David Cameron's childhood

:41:09. > :41:11.obesity strategy which is due any time now, I think.

:41:12. > :41:14.Apple says it will challenge a court order to allow the FBI to break

:41:15. > :41:17.into an iPhone recovered from the man behind a mass shooting

:41:18. > :41:27.Our Technology Correspondent, Rory Cellen-Jones is here.

:41:28. > :41:35.Phil is in on the background and I will ask you why they are

:41:36. > :41:37.challenging this. There has been a long row between technology

:41:38. > :41:42.companies, phone companies in particular, and the police and

:41:43. > :41:46.security and intelligence agencies, about encryption, which is the way

:41:47. > :41:49.messages are effectively encoded, though it is more difficult for the

:41:50. > :41:54.police and security agencies to get at them, and it has come to a head

:41:55. > :42:01.with the San Bernardino case which the FBI is investigating. They have

:42:02. > :42:06.the iPhone that the shooter had and it wants to know more about what is

:42:07. > :42:10.on it but it is protected by Apple's security system. Apple has published

:42:11. > :42:15.an open letter to its customers and said, we have given all the data we

:42:16. > :42:20.have got, we have a certain amount of data, but on modern phones, we do

:42:21. > :42:25.not have a lot of the data, it is secured to the customer. Once the

:42:26. > :42:29.customer has bought the iPhone and installed the security system as it

:42:30. > :42:38.were, you cannot get at it and we are not prepared to do what the FBI

:42:39. > :42:45.is asking. Are we talking about more than the pin code or was it more? It

:42:46. > :42:54.is more than that. Tim Cook says in the letter that they have asked us

:42:55. > :42:57.to build a back door the iPhone. The FBI have asked Apple to build a

:42:58. > :43:01.whole new operating system for the phone which will somehow enable BS

:43:02. > :43:07.EIA to get in there and see what is going on. -- the FBI. Apple have

:43:08. > :43:12.said it is a step too far. The big row is that more and more phones

:43:13. > :43:17.have an end to end encryption. The data is private between you and me

:43:18. > :43:21.and even Apple cannot find out what message we sent to each other. The

:43:22. > :43:31.online community, whose side are they on? The online the, the people

:43:32. > :43:35.who are keen on security, are on Apple's side. I have had a lot of

:43:36. > :43:39.messages this morning, most of them supporting Apple, but a couple of

:43:40. > :43:44.them may be taking the more common view. This is a criminal, you have

:43:45. > :43:51.got to get this information. Thank you. Have a good day, Joanna is

:43:52. > :44:01.presenting the programme tomorrow. I've had a message from China,

:44:02. > :44:06.from my birth mother.