19/02/2016

:00:00. > :00:09.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:10. > :00:12.This morning, a desperate mum tells us she's addicted to shoplifting

:00:13. > :00:20.Stealing - yeah, it's an addiction, because I'm doing something that

:00:21. > :00:21.I don't want to do and I'm trying to fight.

:00:22. > :00:30."Laura" estimates she's stolen around ?100,000 worth of goods over

:00:31. > :00:43.Talks are will start again in around an hour or so.

:00:44. > :00:44.But what happens inside those negotiations?

:00:45. > :00:47.We'll bring you an insight from a diplomat who's been

:00:48. > :00:55.And date me, I'm disabled - we'll bring you a frank conversation

:00:56. > :01:09.I had people around the saying nasty things, I would have parents pulling

:01:10. > :01:13.their children away from me. So that kind of destroys your confidence

:01:14. > :01:15.quite a lot. If you have no confidence, how are you ever going

:01:16. > :01:20.to have a sexual relationship? Welcome to the programme,

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:02:04. > :02:06.In an exclusive interview a mum of two tells us she's addicted

:02:07. > :02:10.to shop-lifting and is desperate for help to stop.

:02:11. > :02:12.The woman, who we're calling Laura and not identifying,

:02:13. > :02:18.says she's been stealing for over 20 years since the age of seven.

:02:19. > :02:21.In that period it's estimated she's stolen goods worth

:02:22. > :02:34.But that is just our rest to. -- just our estimate.

:02:35. > :02:37.One addiction expert has told this programme that shoplifting is a far

:02:38. > :02:38.bigger problem than most of us realise.

:02:39. > :02:42.Laura says she's desperate for help, she's been to visit her GP and had

:02:43. > :02:44.talking therapy sessions - but nothing has worked.

:02:45. > :02:47.She wanted to speak publicly in the hope that it would act

:02:48. > :02:49.as a final push for her to tackle the problem.

:02:50. > :02:51.It's for that reason we agreed to protect her identity.

:02:52. > :02:53.She explained how she first began stealing -

:02:54. > :02:58.Since the age of seven I've been stealing and it has just gotten

:02:59. > :03:01.bigger and bigger, to the point where it is out of control

:03:02. > :03:10.And what kind of things did you take then?

:03:11. > :03:13.Toys from primary school - it would be toys children brought

:03:14. > :03:16.in and put into their tray, or if I was at a friend's house,

:03:17. > :03:19.it would be something like a hair band or a crayon,

:03:20. > :03:21.something I fancied that caught my eye.

:03:22. > :03:25.And did you just do that because you wanted to,

:03:26. > :03:32.I did it mainly because I wanted to, because I wanted that item,

:03:33. > :03:36.but I wanted it because I didn't have it, and I would ask my parents

:03:37. > :03:39.to buy me certain things and they wouldn't, so I would just

:03:40. > :03:46.How much stuff do you think you have taken over those years,

:03:47. > :03:51.OK, so from shops, the value - gosh, from perfumes,

:03:52. > :03:58.make up, high-street shops, clothing, shoes, accessories.

:03:59. > :04:01.From work, money out of the till, money out of people's

:04:02. > :04:10.I don't think that costs too much - don't take it.

:04:11. > :04:14.If I can take it I will take it, so if it is ?200 out

:04:15. > :04:17.of the till at work then that is what I will take.

:04:18. > :04:22.Over the years, we've worked out you've probably stolen goods

:04:23. > :04:35.Slightly surprised, but not really, just because of how long I have been

:04:36. > :04:38.stealing and the extent to which I've been stealing.

:04:39. > :04:43.Where I say it can be daily that I'm stealing, and ?100,000

:04:44. > :04:51.Could I have a look at some of the things that you

:04:52. > :05:06.So this is from a high street clothes store?

:05:07. > :05:09.I was going out, I needed something to wear.

:05:10. > :05:13.I looked online and saw this skirt and I thought, I want that skirt,

:05:14. > :05:16.so I went to that department store and just look for one in my size

:05:17. > :05:24.How much was it, do you remember?

:05:25. > :05:59.Perfume? Yeah. Products. Cream, facial cream. Facial cleanser.

:06:00. > :06:06.Highlighter for your face. This is... This is about since January.

:06:07. > :06:11.In total, or is there other stuff? There is other stuff, mainly

:06:12. > :06:16.perishables, which I couldn't bring, jam, serial, washing powder,

:06:17. > :06:23.nappies. When you steal something from a shop all from a friend or

:06:24. > :06:29.money from eight till, what is that feeling like? Can you describe it?

:06:30. > :06:35.From work, it's basically an urge. That is how I feel. I see something,

:06:36. > :06:42.I wanted, then something in my brain is just telling me, you want it, so

:06:43. > :06:47.take it. It is working in my brain, just on at me, working out a way,

:06:48. > :06:51.basically, to get what I want. Stealing costs British shops over ?5

:06:52. > :06:56.million a year, that means therein Sheron 's premiums go up, the cost

:06:57. > :07:04.of the goods go up for the rest of us. I think the costs go up in

:07:05. > :07:11.general anyway. That they say it is not a victimless crime. No, it is

:07:12. > :07:15.definitely a victim crime. Because I am taking off, I am stealing off

:07:16. > :07:20.somebody. There are victims at the end, but I feel that the big bosses

:07:21. > :07:26.of high street stores, it will not affect them. After I take it, a lot

:07:27. > :07:30.of the time I feel guilt, especially if it is taken off a friend or

:07:31. > :07:35.someone I know. When I steal from a department store I do not feel as

:07:36. > :07:40.guilty, I think, they will not notice, they make a lot of money

:07:41. > :07:46.anyway. You steal from friends now, as an adult? Not as often as I used

:07:47. > :07:52.to, but yes, there are times. Stealing from your friends... They

:07:53. > :07:59.are your friends. They are your friends. Oh, my goodness. What are

:08:00. > :08:05.you thinking? I am just thinking that is what I want. I once that

:08:06. > :08:10.skirt all those shoes, that is all I am thinking. If I don't steal the

:08:11. > :08:16.item on that day, I go home, there is a lot of guilt in my mind. Like

:08:17. > :08:20.it is an argument in my mind saying, just don't take it, you don't need

:08:21. > :08:26.it. But there is a bigger thought in my mind saying, but you like it, go

:08:27. > :08:32.and take it. Once I have taken the item, the guilt eats me up, I feel

:08:33. > :08:36.so bad. On occasion I have returned something to my friend peers house,

:08:37. > :08:41.on other times I have not because I have not seen how it is possible or

:08:42. > :08:49.I really wanted it. The maximum sentence for repeatedly stealing is

:08:50. > :08:55.six months in jail. I didn't know... I couldn't imagine going to jail. I

:08:56. > :09:01.don't even want to think about that. It is that scary. You could be

:09:02. > :09:10.jailed. You have two children under ten. Is that... Why is that not

:09:11. > :09:14.enough to make you stop? It should be enough. Something may be

:09:15. > :09:19.psychological, that is all I can think of. I know how much I want to

:09:20. > :09:24.stop. I am scared of being arrested, let alone going to jail. I am scared

:09:25. > :09:29.of being taken to a police station. If that is not scary enough, if I

:09:30. > :09:33.can't fight that, there must be something in my brain, some

:09:34. > :09:37.chemicals or something, that are stronger and are outweighing the

:09:38. > :09:44.fear. You believe this could be a condition that is similar, perhaps,

:09:45. > :09:48.to an addiction to alcohol or drugs? Yeah. Stealing, yeah, it is an

:09:49. > :09:52.addiction, because I am doing something that I don't want to do,

:09:53. > :09:58.and I am trying to fight, but I am not sure what kind of pleasure I

:09:59. > :10:03.get. Have you experienced pleasure from having successfully stolen?

:10:04. > :10:07.Afterwards, yeah, I suppose, when I get home and see what I have got, I

:10:08. > :10:20.am happy that I have these nice new things all I have got my shopping

:10:21. > :10:23.for free. We all like to have a bargain. To me, it is more than

:10:24. > :10:26.that. When I go home and I see how much of a bargain I have made for

:10:27. > :10:29.myself, it makes me happy. Do you want to stop stealing? 100%. Not one

:10:30. > :10:36.part of me wants to steal any more. I wish I did not get the urge, I

:10:37. > :10:39.wish I could fight it. I wish when I am in the shop taking things,

:10:40. > :10:43.walking out, that I would be strong enough to put them back or just to

:10:44. > :10:48.initially not pick them up to begin with. Just to be a normal person who

:10:49. > :10:52.has got their shopping list, buys what is on it and leaves the store,

:10:53. > :10:58.not pocketing things and putting things in my bag, it is not nice. Do

:10:59. > :11:06.you steal when your children are with you? Yeah. Do you not worry

:11:07. > :11:10.that they might talk about it to their dad or...? Slightly, but I am

:11:11. > :11:15.more worried they will pick up my bad habits and ended stealing, that

:11:16. > :11:21.would be my worst nightmare. You are an intelligent woman, you went to

:11:22. > :11:25.university, you work, you are bringing up two children, your

:11:26. > :11:33.husband has a good job. You know it is wrong. I do. So stop. It is not

:11:34. > :11:37.that easy. I have seen a therapist, that is how bad it got. I was bad

:11:38. > :11:44.enough to go to the doctors, tell her I needed help. She referred me

:11:45. > :11:49.to a therapist, I had a 12 week session where I was given methods to

:11:50. > :11:56.stop Mike chain of thoughts, tasks, don't steal for this week, I tried,

:11:57. > :12:01.but the urge has been inside me for so long that 12 weeks of therapy is

:12:02. > :12:06.not enough. I have done this for 20 years of -- or so. I have been

:12:07. > :12:10.caught twice, when I was a bit younger from a high street store,

:12:11. > :12:16.both the same store. I was caught on leaving the store, taken to a back

:12:17. > :12:20.room, kind of being disciplined, belittled, then I had to pay for the

:12:21. > :12:26.items. Locally the police were not called. Perhaps because I could pay

:12:27. > :12:33.for the items. But that was really lucky. What was that experience

:12:34. > :12:38.like? I felt degraded, ashamed, and Riyadh myself, stupid at myself. How

:12:39. > :12:42.could I let myself get into that situation, why am I stealing things

:12:43. > :12:50.when I know I have the money to buy them. Your husband, siblings,

:12:51. > :12:56.friends, kids don't know? No. What if you told your husband? Would that

:12:57. > :13:02.help you to stop? I don't think you would understand. I don't know. It

:13:03. > :13:06.is not normal, it is not what people do and it is quite embarrassing, I

:13:07. > :13:13.am ashamed. It took a lot to go to the doc. Why are you telling us? I

:13:14. > :13:19.want to raise awareness and I want help. What I am doing is not normal,

:13:20. > :13:23.I am not happy and I want to stop. I thought maybe by talking to you, AP

:13:24. > :13:28.raise awareness, maybe give me more confidence to go back to my doctor

:13:29. > :13:32.and say, therapy hasn't helped, is there anything else you can do? Have

:13:33. > :13:39.you thought about what else you could do? Therapy, OK, it probably

:13:40. > :13:44.wasn't long enough, maybe not even intense enough. It did not get down

:13:45. > :13:49.to the cause of me stealing. Apart from therapy, I think hypnotherapy

:13:50. > :13:53.might work, it works and a lot of other situations. For all the people

:13:54. > :14:01.watching who are thinking, just stop, it is all about your

:14:02. > :14:04.willpower? I want to just stop, generally I have quite good

:14:05. > :14:09.willpower when it comes to other things in life, I have tried to stop

:14:10. > :14:14.and I just can't. I tried, sometimes they even change my handbag when I

:14:15. > :14:19.am going out, I carry a bag that is really small but I can't fit

:14:20. > :14:25.anything into, I will still work out a way to take something. I really do

:14:26. > :14:30.want to stop. I wish it was just as easy as stopping all, I don't know,

:14:31. > :14:34.just telling myself, today I am not going to steal, but it is not that

:14:35. > :14:40.easy. I will try, but I don't know what to do.

:14:41. > :14:42.That is Laura on her 20 year shoplifting addiction.

:14:43. > :14:45.Do get in touch in the usual ways to react to that interview.

:14:46. > :14:48.If you work in a shop tell us the impact of shoplifting

:14:49. > :14:49.on your business - or perhaps, like Laura,

:14:50. > :14:51.you think you have a similar addiction.

:14:52. > :14:55.Text 61124 or you can contact me on facebook.

:14:56. > :15:03.A couple of comments. Someone on Facebook says Gilles is addictive,

:15:04. > :15:07.people need understanding. That is not an excuse for the behaviour, but

:15:08. > :15:12.it is about getting to the root of the matter, not just dealing with

:15:13. > :15:15.the symptoms in a crass, sanctimonious way. Matthew on

:15:16. > :15:20.Facebook say she should be locked up in jail. David says no thieves are

:15:21. > :15:21.blaming what they do on an addiction, Laura needs a lengthy

:15:22. > :15:23.jail sentence, not help. Later in the programme we'll speak

:15:24. > :15:26.to an addiction expert who tells us shoplifting is a far bigger problem

:15:27. > :15:29.than most of us realise. And if you've been affected by any

:15:30. > :15:32.of the issues raised in our film with Laura and are looking

:15:33. > :15:34.for further help, support or information on addiction then

:15:35. > :15:37.please call the BBC Action Line Another all-nighter at the EU

:15:38. > :15:47.summit, but what's it like behind the scenes, trying to close that

:15:48. > :15:51.deal and smoothing ruffled feathers? We speak to one diplomat

:15:52. > :15:55.who did it for Britain. Is sex for people with

:15:56. > :15:59.disabilities a taboo subject? Disabled people tell us

:16:00. > :16:01.about the barriers they say they face to having

:16:02. > :16:07.a healthy sex life. First it's the main

:16:08. > :16:21.news this morning. Cameron has resumed discussion on

:16:22. > :16:27.the second day of negotiations in Brussels.

:16:28. > :16:29.Talks continued into the early hours but there's no deal yet.

:16:30. > :16:32.British sources, as well as the President of The European Council,

:16:33. > :16:34.say there's been progress but there's still plenty to do.

:16:35. > :16:38.The EU is to hold a special summit with Turkey on the migrant crisis

:16:39. > :16:40.next month while Austria imposes a cap on asylum seekers,

:16:41. > :16:41.despite warnings it's breaking EU laws.

:16:42. > :16:43.ATI Asylum applications will be accepted at the southern border

:16:44. > :16:47.every day. -- 80. A new blood test could help detect

:16:48. > :16:49.inherited heart conditions, which the British Heart Foundation

:16:50. > :16:57.says is quicker and more reliable More than half a million people have

:16:58. > :17:00.inherited heart conditions in the UK.

:17:01. > :17:04.At least one person has been injured after a house in Haxby near York

:17:05. > :17:06.was destroyed and several others damaged following an explosion.

:17:07. > :17:09.North Yorkshire police say it's thought to have been caused by a gas

:17:10. > :17:11.leak, but that is unconfirmed at this stage.

:17:12. > :17:15.Homes in the Springwood area have been evacuated.

:17:16. > :17:17.The area is cordoned off and there will be disruption

:17:18. > :17:20.to the surrounding area as emergency services work to protect

:17:21. > :17:23.Shoplifting is a far bigger problem than most of us realise.

:17:24. > :17:28.That's what one addiction expert has told this programme.

:17:29. > :17:35.A desperate mother who has stolen roughly ?100,000 worth of goods over

:17:36. > :17:38.20 years so she is addicted to shoplifting but wants help to stop.

:17:39. > :17:40.Could this be the end of the password?

:17:41. > :17:42.HSBC is to launch fingerprint and voice recognition services

:17:43. > :17:51.It means internet customers will no longer have to remember passwords,

:17:52. > :17:53.and memorable dates, to access their accounts.

:17:54. > :17:57.Let's catch up with all the sport now.

:17:58. > :18:01.Another busy morning here at the BBC Sports Centre.

:18:02. > :18:04.Coming up on the show a bit later, we're hearing from the man

:18:05. > :18:05.in charge at Fakenham racecourse in Norfolk.

:18:06. > :18:07.Not often a race there makes the headlines,

:18:08. > :18:10.but it's not every day a double Olympic cycling champion rides

:18:11. > :18:14.Victoria Pendleton is continuing her transition from bike to horse.

:18:15. > :18:16.She's set to make her debut around a regulated jumps

:18:17. > :18:20.Now it was another disastrous night for Manchester United last night.

:18:21. > :18:22.More pressure on manager Louis Van Gaal with his side losing

:18:23. > :18:25.the first leg of their Europa League last-32 match against

:18:26. > :18:30.He does have an excuse for the 2-1 defeat in Denmark though.

:18:31. > :18:33.Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong.

:18:34. > :18:37.Elsewhere, Tottenham and Liverpool both drew their games.

:18:38. > :18:40.You won't want to miss part of our interview with new England

:18:41. > :18:42.rugby league head coach Wayne Bennett.

:18:43. > :18:46.He rarely gives in depth interviews and so took a bit of warming up.

:18:47. > :18:51.That and more coming up just after 10am.

:18:52. > :18:55.In the next half hour or so a group of politicians,

:18:56. > :18:57.advisors and negotiators will meet in a soulless

:18:58. > :18:59.room in the Council of the European Union in Brussels

:19:00. > :19:02.trying to thrash out a deal on the future of Britain's

:19:03. > :19:06.David Cameron is there, although pretty shattered no doubt

:19:07. > :19:07.alongside other heads of states of various countries

:19:08. > :19:16.They went through the night, talks breaking up at about 4:30am

:19:17. > :19:19.and resuming at some point in the next hour or so.

:19:20. > :19:21.The President of the European Council Donald Tusk says "a lot

:19:22. > :19:31.Sir Nigel Sheinwald, who was the UK's Ambassador

:19:32. > :19:41.and Permanent Representative to the European Union from 2000

:19:42. > :19:43.to 2003, has worked through the night on a number

:19:44. > :19:45.of occasions as Britain's most senior diplomatic representative

:19:46. > :19:48.and can give us an insight into what might be going on right

:19:49. > :19:59.What is the atmosphere like? There are a number of rooms. It is a

:20:00. > :20:02.soulless building. The Prime Minister said yesterday when he met

:20:03. > :20:07.one of his opposite numbers, we are going to spend a lot of time in this

:20:08. > :20:11.building over the next few days. It is a necessary part of the European

:20:12. > :20:17.government and they do not enjoy it but get used to it. There is a big

:20:18. > :20:21.negotiating chamber where the heads of government get a seat and that is

:20:22. > :20:27.where I perform on ago she Asians take place. Even in the negotiating

:20:28. > :20:31.chamber or over dinner in a separate dining room is where they will be

:20:32. > :20:37.negotiating together -- negotiations. The Prime Minister has

:20:38. > :20:42.to listen for the torn and language that people use. They will not be

:20:43. > :20:46.surprised by the basic arguments but want to hear whether things are

:20:47. > :20:55.going to be more or less difficult than expected. When you are able

:20:56. > :21:00.people do get a sense for their body language and whether this is going

:21:01. > :21:03.to be possible. One of the ideas that has come through from the

:21:04. > :21:08.Belgian and French, that this is going to be the last negotiation for

:21:09. > :21:13.a while. I do not think people had necessarily reconciled with that. It

:21:14. > :21:18.is only when you get round the table you hear the negotiating positions

:21:19. > :21:23.and you have that sinking feeling, we have ten quite big issues to deal

:21:24. > :21:28.with. I am not sure it is ten in this case. That is the position

:21:29. > :21:34.reached in the middle of the night. The Prime Minister had individual

:21:35. > :21:37.meetings in smaller rooms but equally soulless with individual

:21:38. > :21:41.heads of government and with the heads of the European institutions,

:21:42. > :21:46.the head of the commission and the chairman of the meeting, Donald

:21:47. > :21:51.Tusk, who are the ones who are going to create the deal among the

:21:52. > :21:57.spiralling member states. What will happen this morning as everyone will

:21:58. > :22:00.reconvene but before you get back to the big negotiating chamber David

:22:01. > :22:05.Cameron and Donald Tusk and others need to have a sense they are moving

:22:06. > :22:10.forward and will do that by suggesting compromises and ways

:22:11. > :22:13.through an individual meetings with France, central European countries,

:22:14. > :22:20.Angela Merkel will be working the corridors as well. In addition there

:22:21. > :22:24.is a lot of activity going on. 28 delegations and lots of scurrying

:22:25. > :22:29.around trying to get to a position where everyone is comfortable with

:22:30. > :22:35.what is on the table. Is it sensible to remain calm and diplomatic? Was

:22:36. > :22:41.ugly it is but not always possible -- presumably. People are exhausted.

:22:42. > :22:48.The Belgians resenting the time being spent on what Britain wants.

:22:49. > :22:52.There are many other problems in Europe at the moment. You have a

:22:53. > :22:56.migration crisis which is continuing. We are not the only

:22:57. > :23:01.issue. We have brought this to the table because of our perception of

:23:02. > :23:06.European and British politics. There is frustration which comes after

:23:07. > :23:10.half a century of Britain being often the difficult squad at the

:23:11. > :23:15.table. We are alone for that and are not going to change. That is how we

:23:16. > :23:19.are. We are more stubborn than our European colleagues. When you were

:23:20. > :23:22.are. We are more stubborn than our involved, what is the moment you

:23:23. > :23:28.remember of a farce or genuine breakthrough? You were asking if it

:23:29. > :23:33.is all good tempered, it is not always, people get tired. Those

:23:34. > :23:40.under pressure are the ones who are more likely to show anger or

:23:41. > :23:43.annoyance or whatever. During a big budget negotiation as part of the

:23:44. > :23:48.negotiation to budget negotiation as part of the

:23:49. > :23:51.countries of the EU in the early 2000 there was a big discussion

:23:52. > :23:56.about the European budget and what we would do about European

:23:57. > :24:00.agriculture and Britain wanted to reduce the amount of money spent on

:24:01. > :24:07.European agriculture, the then French president did not like that.

:24:08. > :24:12.At the end of the session he said to the British delegation I have never

:24:13. > :24:18.been taught to like that. He did not like the directness of the critique

:24:19. > :24:25.of European agriculture. When things go 141, two, three days, people are

:24:26. > :24:28.tired and more irritable. The job of the professionals is to

:24:29. > :24:34.atmosphere reasonably calm so you can find a way

:24:35. > :24:38.atmosphere reasonably calm so you usually finding through with not

:24:39. > :24:42.with guns and swords but with language, words, that can find

:24:43. > :24:43.with guns and swords but with of bridging the gap will hopefully

:24:44. > :24:46.retain the essence of of bridging the gap will hopefully

:24:47. > :24:53.once. That is what is going on at the moment. Thank you. The UK

:24:54. > :24:55.ambassador and permanent representative to the European Union

:24:56. > :24:59.from 2000 until 2003. Coming up: Sir Richard Branson

:25:00. > :25:04.reveals a new version of his spaceship later today,

:25:05. > :25:06.one year after an accident that

:25:07. > :25:08.killed one of his test pilots. We'll be speaking to one

:25:09. > :25:11.of the first customers who signed up Next this morning -

:25:12. > :25:18.a frank conversation Being told you're not sexual,

:25:19. > :25:22.that you have to accept you can't have sex, seeing friends visibly

:25:23. > :25:24.recoil when the topic is raised - that's the kind of thing some

:25:25. > :25:27.disabled people say they face One charity, Enhance the UK,

:25:28. > :25:33.is calling for all staff in care homes, as well as doctors,

:25:34. > :25:35.nurses and other health professionals who work with disabled

:25:36. > :25:38.people, to have training on how They want everyone who has a care

:25:39. > :25:43.plan to have their sexual needs For many people with disabilities,

:25:44. > :25:48.sex - or lack of it - isn't an issue -

:25:49. > :25:50.but for others it can be. Romina Puma is a comedian

:25:51. > :25:57.who was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy ten years ago and has used

:25:58. > :26:02.a wheelchair for the last three. She says she's struggled to cope

:26:03. > :26:08.with the way people have begun to desexualise her and has been

:26:09. > :26:10.to meet other people with disabilities to talk

:26:11. > :26:12.about what for many This film contains frank sexual

:26:13. > :26:15.conversations from the very beginning and lasts

:26:16. > :26:23.about 15 minutes. I have muscular dystrophy,

:26:24. > :26:25.which is a rare muscle waste To give you an idea of the effect it

:26:26. > :26:32.has on me, it is like my facial muscles are falling down,

:26:33. > :26:35.and so is my vagina. Like if I wanted to do

:26:36. > :26:39.a vajazzle, it would look Until a few years ago,

:26:40. > :26:46.my life was pretty normal. I used to have a boyfriend,

:26:47. > :26:50.I used to go out on the pull, I used to get with guys,

:26:51. > :26:54.but then my condition got worse and I started to use a wheelchair,

:26:55. > :26:57.and since then it has been very Even if I use a wheelchair,

:26:58. > :27:03.it doesn't mean that this part Sex and disability,

:27:04. > :27:14.which sounds a bit like a remake Now I am going to meet other people

:27:15. > :27:27.in my situation, to see how they coped with the challenge

:27:28. > :27:31.in their sex life. I want to know if our society

:27:32. > :27:33.is ignoring disabled The day when I was diagnosed,

:27:34. > :27:47.it was terrible. It was like the world

:27:48. > :27:53.was smashing me down. I didn't know how I was going to end

:27:54. > :27:58.up, so I was in the complete dark. To learn more, I'm off to Sheffield

:27:59. > :28:01.to meet one couple who lived When you don't look the same

:28:02. > :28:29.as everybody else people I had, you know, people around me

:28:30. > :28:34.saying nasty things. I would have parents

:28:35. > :28:37.pulling their children away from me. So that kind of destroys your

:28:38. > :28:40.confidence quite a lot. If you have no confidence,

:28:41. > :28:43.how are you ever going I just pushed it aside

:28:44. > :28:48.because in my own mind I was more scared about being

:28:49. > :29:16.accepted. My biggest anxiety was,

:29:17. > :29:18.will he even want to hold my hand Yeah, and Jamie knew

:29:19. > :29:33.who I was and how I am, and then as we got together

:29:34. > :29:36.and developed our relationship we had sexual confidence

:29:37. > :29:41.with each other. And how did that

:29:42. > :29:56.relationship change you? There is no way I am ever

:29:57. > :30:00.going to be able to do all the positions of the Kama Sutra

:30:01. > :30:03.but, hey, show me a person that can. I think what's more important

:30:04. > :30:06.is that we are actually happy together, and whatever

:30:07. > :30:08.we do in the bedroom What would you like to say to people

:30:09. > :30:21.who still don't recognise the fact that even if we are disabled

:30:22. > :30:24.we still need and want a sex life? We are absolutely no

:30:25. > :30:26.different to anybody else. We are human, with the same needs,

:30:27. > :30:31.wants and desires as anybody else. And until disabled people are seen

:30:32. > :30:33.as that, the rest isn't In a way, I found their experiences

:30:34. > :30:49.quite similar to mine. It was nice to see that they found

:30:50. > :30:54.each other and they can have a life together and they are accepted

:30:55. > :30:57.for who they are, and so it But what if a partner isn't

:30:58. > :31:08.an option, or your disability means Then you could call on a sex worker

:31:09. > :31:17.or a trained therapist. It's something I want

:31:18. > :31:22.to know more about. I'm very much working

:31:23. > :31:26.with people to identify, you know, where their obstacles

:31:27. > :31:31.are around their sexual pleasure. That might be that they need some

:31:32. > :31:34.education, they need to understand the basics of, you know,

:31:35. > :31:37.adult sexuality. It might also be, let's look

:31:38. > :31:40.at your situation with regards to your living situation,

:31:41. > :31:43.your lifestyle situation, your particular

:31:44. > :31:48.disability or illness. How is that going to affect

:31:49. > :31:52.you having sex with someone? And really work out the absolute

:31:53. > :32:00.practical aspects of having sex. Sometimes I have had clients,

:32:01. > :32:05.disabled clients, where it could be something really simple,

:32:06. > :32:09.like severe arthritis, so how do they actually figure out

:32:10. > :32:13.how to experience pleasure for themselves when their hands

:32:14. > :32:17.aren't moving and they might not So rather than just focus on one

:32:18. > :32:23.particular area, it is giving a chance to really experience touch

:32:24. > :32:29.all over the body. What works really well,

:32:30. > :32:31.what are the areas that are really sensitive,

:32:32. > :32:34.are there areas that maybe we can I have colleagues, trained

:32:35. > :32:40.colleagues, who can then be available to actually

:32:41. > :32:45.give some practice. It is almost

:32:46. > :32:47.like skills practice. The difficulties disabled

:32:48. > :32:53.people go through - what do you see,

:32:54. > :32:58.what's the difference? When they're not acknowledged, it

:32:59. > :33:02.can lead to depressive conditions. It can lead to real frustration,

:33:03. > :33:06.because they are often surrounded by carers, so they do receive touch,

:33:07. > :33:13.but it is very functional. And, you know, that can be an erotic

:33:14. > :33:16.experience but they can't do So that can cause all sorts

:33:17. > :33:23.of issues for them, but then to suddenly be in a situation -

:33:24. > :33:27.not with their carers - but with someone else where they can

:33:28. > :33:31.say, you know, I feel horny, You know, and to have

:33:32. > :33:37.that door open for them, I think that is what can make

:33:38. > :33:40.such a big difference. If a person with a disability goes

:33:41. > :33:42.to their GP or happens to have an interaction in a hospital

:33:43. > :33:46.or whatever it is and is saying, There is not only the attitude

:33:47. > :33:53.change but there is, yes, this is what is available

:33:54. > :33:56.in the area, this is how I was diagnosed when I was 23,

:33:57. > :34:19.and I'm 50 in about two weekends. I had many girlfriends,

:34:20. > :34:22.then I was diagnosed and I had many I think because I was in a rush

:34:23. > :34:36.before I hit a wheelchair, And it is true - the second one's

:34:37. > :34:45.bum hits a wheelchair, you're not at all

:34:46. > :34:47.interesting to anyone else. When you couldn't get

:34:48. > :34:49.the ladies any more... Yes, so that is when I started

:34:50. > :34:52.to pay for a sex worker, They were great, and they

:34:53. > :34:57.were in for an hour. Then they would leave,

:34:58. > :35:00.and that's it - no worries. Do you have only one sex

:35:01. > :35:05.worker who comes along? No, I choose new ones every time,

:35:06. > :35:09.but it is only once a month Why don't you keep the same sex

:35:10. > :35:18.worker? Again, a good question,

:35:19. > :35:21.but I don't do it because I don't It is nice to just see them

:35:22. > :35:29.for an hour and that's that. LAUGHTER What I like and what works

:35:30. > :35:48.for me is oral sex a lot. After those sessions do

:35:49. > :35:56.you feel better? Because you have done something that

:35:57. > :36:00.you have longed to do Before a girlfriend

:36:01. > :36:10.was essential, really essential. Just to meet my needs -

:36:11. > :36:16.if it's being a voyeur, whatever. If it's for the actual physical

:36:17. > :36:22.process, it was all necessary. Well, I'm quite obsessed with sex,

:36:23. > :36:28.to be honest with you, and I kind of did the same thing

:36:29. > :36:32.that you did, before I tried to get as much as I could,

:36:33. > :36:49.and now it is really hard. It was nice to see how his journey

:36:50. > :36:53.was to get to the realisation of how hard it is to have sex

:36:54. > :37:03.when you are disabled. And is that something that

:37:04. > :37:06.you consider doing before? Sometimes, yes, I have

:37:07. > :37:11.thought about it. Because sometimes you really need

:37:12. > :37:19.human contact, you know, touch. But so far I have never contacted

:37:20. > :37:23.one, but it is there, The way people look at me

:37:24. > :37:37.is completely different. They look at you with the kind

:37:38. > :37:42.of sympathy or pity - They don't see me

:37:43. > :37:48.as a person any more. The thing that they see is just

:37:49. > :37:52.a wheelchair and they can't I am on my way to meet one man

:37:53. > :37:59.who has worked hard to get women Andy was 36 when a motorbike

:38:00. > :38:15.accident changed his life. Most people who see

:38:16. > :38:17.you in a wheelchair just And I say, trust me,

:38:18. > :38:22.walking is the last thing that It is bladder, bowels

:38:23. > :38:27.and sexual function. After his accident,

:38:28. > :38:29.and the proposed to his girlfriend, but later the relationship

:38:30. > :38:34.broke down. The sex was kind of hard

:38:35. > :38:40.to start off with, Basically they will give you some

:38:41. > :38:46.Cialis or Viagra or something and say, right, go

:38:47. > :38:49.away and try that. They never actually had

:38:50. > :38:51.any counselling on... Not what to do but, you know,

:38:52. > :38:58.on how it's going to work, to the point that when we got

:38:59. > :39:02.married, until the time we split up, which was a very short period -

:39:03. > :39:06.we didn't even actually consummate the marriage - you're just thinking,

:39:07. > :39:09.I can't feel my penis. It would get to the stage

:39:10. > :39:23.where Laura would be saying, So I would find myself

:39:24. > :39:27.making excuses, saying, I'll just watch the end of this

:39:28. > :39:30.film, love, and I'll be up, knowing that by the time I went up

:39:31. > :39:33.she would be asleep. So you didn't have any sort

:39:34. > :39:38.of advice or some help? No, not really, just

:39:39. > :39:39.trying different kinds I have learned a lot

:39:40. > :39:48.of things since that time, that actually you don't even need

:39:49. > :39:56.to have penetrative sex to enjoy it. Is it more interesting, more

:39:57. > :40:02.like you can explore other things? On the part of my body I can feel

:40:03. > :40:15.are more sensitive, you know. I have the most hypersensitive

:40:16. > :40:18.nipples in the world, you know, so if someone

:40:19. > :40:20.just goes like that, I mean, one day I was having sex

:40:21. > :40:27.and I guess it would have been probably at the point

:40:28. > :40:32.when I would have ejaculated you get kind of like a tingling thing,

:40:33. > :40:35.almost like a spasm. It was from here and all the way

:40:36. > :40:44.down my body into my legs, and what it has done is totally

:40:45. > :40:47.turned the way I have To coin a cliche I suppose,

:40:48. > :40:51.you are actually making love rather Give us a chance -

:40:52. > :41:13.just talk to me and I'll show you that I have a brain,

:41:14. > :41:16.I can make a conversation, And it's going to be fun

:41:17. > :41:26.in the bedroom as well, you know! Even through my comedy I'm trying

:41:27. > :41:39.to raise awareness and, you know, I hope we are going to get

:41:40. > :41:44.to the point where we will be considered like any other person,

:41:45. > :42:15.not just, you know, you're disabled. Suzanne says married 30 years to my

:42:16. > :42:18.husband, a wheelchair user since the age of 17, sexiest man I've ever

:42:19. > :42:21.met. Love and lust. Another tweet, I

:42:22. > :42:28.admire the way you talk about difficult subject that need airing.

:42:29. > :42:29.Jack says that both the shoplifting interview and the sex film handled

:42:30. > :42:31.bravely and sensitively. In the next hour -

:42:32. > :42:34.we'll speak to Romina Puma who made As always you can watch and share

:42:35. > :42:46.that film on our programme Let's hear from the

:42:47. > :42:51.Minister David Cameron in Brussels. Here he is.

:42:52. > :43:12.Good morning. Well, he looked quite serious. He

:43:13. > :43:17.clearly still has a little bit of work to do, David Cameron in

:43:18. > :43:21.Brussels looking quite sombre as he walked back into those talks. I

:43:22. > :43:26.don't know if he has had a shower or changed his shirt, anyway... We will

:43:27. > :43:28.update you after the news and sport at ten o'clock.

:43:29. > :43:40.A glorious start across the country, but very cold, widespread frost for

:43:41. > :43:44.many areas and ice through the morning. That is gradually

:43:45. > :43:50.diminishing as a weather front works in from the West. After the bright

:43:51. > :43:55.frosty start, the clouds streaming, sunshine this appearing and turning

:43:56. > :43:58.windy. With this weather front already into Northern Ireland and

:43:59. > :44:03.western Scotland, pushing into much of western Britain, tightly packed

:44:04. > :44:08.isobars, so it will be windy, that Italy Irish Sea coasts. The rain

:44:09. > :44:12.will eventually arrive across the far south-east and East Anglia into

:44:13. > :44:17.the middle part of the afternoon, hazy sunshine holding on before it

:44:18. > :44:21.turns cloudy. Temperatures with the strong south-westerly winds will be

:44:22. > :44:26.rising, nine or 10 Celsius, milder than in the last few days.

:44:27. > :44:31.Outbreaks of rain in western Wales, south-west England, could be frosty

:44:32. > :44:35.at times. Maybe some transient snow over the higher ground of Scotland

:44:36. > :44:38.as the rain bumps into the cold air. The wettest and windiest weather

:44:39. > :44:45.will clear away, leaving drier interludes with patches of rain,

:44:46. > :44:48.violent, mist and murk. For Scotland, Northern Ireland and

:44:49. > :44:51.northern England, frequent showers, certainly for Scotland, where we

:44:52. > :44:56.will see snow even down to lower levels. Much milder for England and

:44:57. > :45:01.Wales than the last few nights. Into the weekend, we had to look to

:45:02. > :45:06.the Atlantic and the pressure chart paints a very nice picture. This

:45:07. > :45:10.area of high pressure will be drawing up wall or mild air across

:45:11. > :45:15.the southern half of the UK, south of this weather front. Cold air

:45:16. > :45:19.moving from Greenlands will be affecting the northern half of the

:45:20. > :45:22.UK. We have a north/south split through Saturday, it will be very

:45:23. > :45:26.wet. The weather front will be producing a lot of rain for

:45:27. > :45:30.north-west England, Northern Ireland and Wales, you could see minor

:45:31. > :45:35.flooding in places. Frequent showers to the north of it with snow on the

:45:36. > :45:40.hills, maybe down to lower levels. But that the temperatures, double

:45:41. > :45:45.figures in the south, four or five across Scotland. A north/ south

:45:46. > :45:50.split on Sunday. The weather front is waxing and waning. Snow to

:45:51. > :45:55.central and southern Scotland as well. It is the dividing line

:45:56. > :46:01.between the cold across the North and very mild across the South. Look

:46:02. > :46:02.over the rainfall on Saturday and Sunday. Especially Sunday you could

:46:03. > :46:07.see a lot of rain. See you later. Hello, it's 10am, it's Friday,

:46:08. > :46:18.I'm Victoria Derbyshire. David Cameron says he would only do

:46:19. > :46:22.a deal if we get what Britain needs, as he arrived for further talks on

:46:23. > :46:30.his European reforms in Brussels. It will keep you up-to-date.

:46:31. > :46:33.After 20 years of shoplifting, a mum says she desperately needs

:46:34. > :46:37.Stealing - yeah, it's an addiction, because I'm doing something that

:46:38. > :46:39.I don't want to do and I'm trying to fight.

:46:40. > :46:52.We have estimated Laura has stolen ?100,000 of goods over 20 years. You

:46:53. > :46:59.can watch the full interview on our programme page. We will talk to an

:47:00. > :47:04.expert on addiction who says shoplifting addiction is a much

:47:05. > :47:09.bigger problem than people realise. We will bring you a frank

:47:10. > :47:23.about -- disability and sex. six. --

:47:24. > :47:25.I had, you know, people around me saying nasty things.

:47:26. > :47:28.I would have parents pulling their children away from me.

:47:29. > :47:30.So that kind of destroys your confidence quite a lot.

:47:31. > :47:33.If you have no confidence, how are you ever going

:47:34. > :47:46.David Cameron has arrived for another day of talks in Britain

:47:47. > :47:50.after -- in Brussels. I was here until 5pm working through this and

:47:51. > :47:55.we have made some progress but there is still no deal and I will only do

:47:56. > :47:58.a deal if we get what Britain needs so we're going to do some work and I

:47:59. > :48:03.will do everything I can. The EU is to hold a special summit

:48:04. > :48:06.with Turkey on the migrant crisis next month while Austria imposes

:48:07. > :48:09.a cap on asylum seekers, despite a warning

:48:10. > :48:11.it's breaking EU law. 80 asylum applications will be

:48:12. > :48:14.accepted at the southern border A new blood test has been developed

:48:15. > :48:23.which can identify all known The British Heart Foundation says

:48:24. > :48:27.it's quicker and more reliable More than half a million people have

:48:28. > :48:31.inherited heart conditions At least one person has been injured

:48:32. > :48:35.after a house near York was destroyed and several others

:48:36. > :48:37.damaged following an explosion. North Yorkshire police say it's

:48:38. > :48:39.thought the blast in Haxby was caused by a gas

:48:40. > :48:41.leak, but that is Homes in Springwood have been

:48:42. > :48:45.evacuated and the area is cordoned off while emergency

:48:46. > :48:47.services work to protect Could this be the end

:48:48. > :48:53.of the password? HSBC is to launch fingerprint

:48:54. > :48:55.and voice recognition services The bank says its internet customers

:48:56. > :49:02.will no longer have to remember passwords or memorable places

:49:03. > :49:20.and dates to access their accounts. Donald Trump has heaped praise on

:49:21. > :49:25.Pope Francis after the pontiff questioned his Christian faith.

:49:26. > :49:31.Donald Trump had originally called the remarks disgraceful after the

:49:32. > :49:37.pontiff had criticised him for a proposal to build a wall on the

:49:38. > :49:43.border with Mexico. CCTV footage shows the London businessman being

:49:44. > :49:45.attacked for his Rolex. 46-year-old was left unconscious and police are

:49:46. > :49:48.appealing for help to catch the robbers.

:49:49. > :49:54.Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Ben.

:49:55. > :49:58.It's a big day for this lady, Victoria Pendleton.

:49:59. > :50:00.The double Olympic cycling champion continues her move

:50:01. > :50:03.She's set to make her debut around a regulated jumps

:50:04. > :50:06.It's happening at Fakenham racecourse in Norfolk.

:50:07. > :50:08.David Hunter is in charge there and joins us now.

:50:09. > :50:12.Quite a transition this for a cyclist?

:50:13. > :50:20.Absolutely. It is switching saddles but that is about the only link

:50:21. > :50:25.between a race saddle and a bicycle saddle. She has made tremendous

:50:26. > :50:27.progress over the last years since she started as a novice having never

:50:28. > :50:34.sat on a horse. It she started as a novice having never

:50:35. > :50:37.determination and courage. We have seen some photographs of what she

:50:38. > :50:45.can expect. She fell at her last meeting. Bigger fences. Yes. She is

:50:46. > :50:50.running over the regulation fences which are four foot six. Last ones

:50:51. > :50:57.she has done have been amateur fences which are slightly smaller.

:50:58. > :51:00.She is under the rules of racing and she is with amateur jockeys as well

:51:01. > :51:06.but it will be certainly a step up in class. What time does the race

:51:07. > :51:13.begin and what could she win if she comes first? She is in the sixth

:51:14. > :51:20.race which is that 4:10pm. She is one of six competitors or six

:51:21. > :51:24.jockeys. There is only one other gentlemen, so she is up against four

:51:25. > :51:34.other amateur sports ladies and demand. The winning owner of the

:51:35. > :51:40.race will get a trophy which is a fantastic solid silver horse jumping

:51:41. > :51:46.timber fence and the winning connections have the use of that on

:51:47. > :51:51.the mantelpiece for a year and I am sure is Victoria is in the line-up I

:51:52. > :51:55.would not be surprised if we have someone holding this. She has to get

:51:56. > :51:57.round the track first. Let us wish her and the other jockeys the best

:51:58. > :52:00.of luck. Thank you. Elsewhere this morning,

:52:01. > :52:03.lots of the papers labelling Manchester United's Europa League

:52:04. > :52:05.defeat at FC Midtjylland They went down 2-1 in the first leg

:52:06. > :52:09.of their last 32 tie It puts more pressure on manager

:52:10. > :52:13.Louis Van Gaal who's blamed You know, the adage that anything

:52:14. > :52:20.that can go wrong will. If you have a spare few minutes

:52:21. > :52:23.online later check out our interview with England's new rugby league head

:52:24. > :52:25.coach Wayne Bennett. His recent appointment means Aussies

:52:26. > :52:28.are in charge of three of England's Wayne rarely gives in-depth

:52:29. > :52:41.interviews so George Riley had What are you like when you are not

:52:42. > :52:51.speaking to people and doing your job? I am just me. Are you an

:52:52. > :52:58.introvert? Absolutely. You hate doing stuff like this? Yes. You have

:52:59. > :53:02.been likened to Alex Ferguson. I have also been likened to Clint

:53:03. > :53:05.Eastwood! Clint Eastwood and

:53:06. > :53:07.Sir Alex Ferguson. That's all the sport for now,

:53:08. > :53:17.Victoria. Have you ever interviewed anyone

:53:18. > :53:21.like that? Several, but I cannot name them. If I knew more I would

:53:22. > :53:25.name them! Thank you for joining us this

:53:26. > :53:29.morning, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

:53:30. > :53:32.we're on BBC 2 and the BBC We'll keep you up to date with those

:53:33. > :53:38.talks at the EU summit in just a few minutes - but first lots

:53:39. > :53:40.of you getting in touch about our interview with a woman

:53:41. > :53:48.who says she's addicted Linda says, why has this woman

:53:49. > :53:53.waited 20 years? Surely she knows she is good at it and it is a

:53:54. > :53:59.compulsion and she does not worry about anyone but herself. This says

:54:00. > :54:04.a brilliant look into how kleptomaniac could be a psychopathic

:54:05. > :54:11.tendency. Sue says as the council give many reasons why Laura stop

:54:12. > :54:15.shoplifting. Short-term therapy would not been enough and I would

:54:16. > :54:18.encourage her to go back into long-term therapy. Those who want

:54:19. > :54:23.her to go to prison do not have a clue what they are talking about.

:54:24. > :54:28.Carroll says this has brought my addiction to the surface. I am the

:54:29. > :54:32.same and for 30 years have been in a very good job and have the husband

:54:33. > :54:37.and I have no need to do what I do but I cannot help myself. I have

:54:38. > :54:41.seen a therapist going back 20 years but there is no one to help this

:54:42. > :54:47.kind of addiction. I thought I was on my own but watching Laura made me

:54:48. > :54:51.be lies it is much more widespread and must be recognised as the

:54:52. > :54:52.condition. I have tried to stop and throwing the present card does not

:54:53. > :54:59.help. Do continue to get in touch

:55:00. > :55:12.with your reaction to and before the end of the programme

:55:13. > :55:26.we'll bring you an interview with an addiction expert who says

:55:27. > :55:29.addiction to shoplifting is much Wherever you are you can

:55:30. > :55:33.watch our programme online - via the bbc news app or our website

:55:34. > :55:35.bbc.co.uk/victoria. The talks are going on and on at

:55:36. > :55:38.the summit where David Cameron's hoping to get agreement on reforming

:55:39. > :55:41.the Uk's relationship with Europe. They negotiated through

:55:42. > :55:42.the night til about 4:30am, then went off for a quick kip

:55:43. > :55:50.or some breakfast or a shower We have made some progress but there

:55:51. > :55:52.is still no deal. I would only do a deal if we get what Britain needs.

:55:53. > :55:56.We are going to do some more work and I will do everything I can.

:55:57. > :56:03.And if Mr Cameron gets agreement - then by the end of today,

:56:04. > :56:06.he could be announcing our in/out referendum vote for this summer.

:56:07. > :56:08.Live to Brussels and our political correspondent Ben Wright.

:56:09. > :56:18.David Cameron looked sombre. What can you tell us? He has not had much

:56:19. > :56:21.sleep. About two of three hours. He can see quite a long day of

:56:22. > :56:29.negotiation. For all of the positive talk yesterday still big gaps on

:56:30. > :56:34.issues we have discussed, in work benefits, child benefit, protections

:56:35. > :56:40.for non-Eurozone countries. What we are hearing from the initial working

:56:41. > :56:43.session that took place yesterday is that David Cameron threw down a new

:56:44. > :56:55.demand, he flees for 13 years on those in work benefits as opposed to

:56:56. > :56:58.four years -- a freeze. The French and Belgians have said there might

:56:59. > :57:03.want to put a clause in the text that Britain will not be given a

:57:04. > :57:12.second chance. There will be no second referendum if the written

:57:13. > :57:18.votes to leave -- Britain. David Cameron has talked about the brake

:57:19. > :57:23.on benefits for EU migrants working here who want to send child benefit

:57:24. > :57:27.back home. David Cameron has mentioned a break of 13 years, which

:57:28. > :57:34.is new to this, certainly to the European leaders. Yes. 13 years as

:57:35. > :57:41.opposed to four years. One of the other sticking points on child

:57:42. > :57:45.benefit, Downing Street wanted to apply -- want it to apply

:57:46. > :57:51.across-the-board whereas European countries are saying if there is a

:57:52. > :57:56.new role it should only apply to new migrants arriving in the country.

:57:57. > :58:01.They have to get over that. Do we think there will be deal? The fact

:58:02. > :58:13.they of comeback today should be strangely some cause for optimism.

:58:14. > :58:17.Looking at the face of Francois Hollande and Alexis Tsipras, there

:58:18. > :58:22.is a certain wariness, talking about child benefit in the UK when Europe

:58:23. > :58:27.is facing insurmountable problems. There will be desire to try to get

:58:28. > :58:32.past this and move on to what most Europeans see our bigger and bolder

:58:33. > :58:38.issues. We have this clip of Francois Hollande. TRANSLATION: We

:58:39. > :58:41.have to work again this morning because last night there were some

:58:42. > :58:46.propositions changed, notably concerning France and financial

:58:47. > :58:50.regulation applying across the whole of Europe and to which there is no

:58:51. > :58:55.regulation applying across the whole right of veto or delayed so one

:58:56. > :59:02.would be able to fight against speculation, financial crises, in

:59:03. > :59:09.the same way. That is where we are. You can take your clothes as to who

:59:10. > :59:14.is standing in the way of David Cameron -- clues. Also the Belgian

:59:15. > :59:23.and Czech Republic Prime Minister is. A new draft will be put forward

:59:24. > :59:29.ahead of those British lunch. Do not be surprised if it goes into

:59:30. > :59:34.afternoon tea. Our political editor saying Downing Street is opening the

:59:35. > :59:37.Prime Minister can return around 6pm tonight and hold the cabinet

:59:38. > :59:42.briefing and tell them what is on the table and come out onto the

:59:43. > :59:46.steps of Downing Street to make that public statement and presumably give

:59:47. > :59:51.us a date for the referendum. That is his wish but there is a lot to do

:59:52. > :59:58.before then. Is there going to be deal? I think so. People are so

:59:59. > :00:03.exasperated that they are focusing on plane issues like child benefit

:00:04. > :00:07.and in work benefits, crucial to Britain, but in the context of what

:00:08. > :00:12.is happening in Europe they want to get on with it.

:00:13. > :00:14.Thank you. You will be back if there is more.

:00:15. > :00:17.Still to come before 11am: Sex and disability.

:00:18. > :00:25.We'll be talking to people with disabilities

:00:26. > :00:27.about the problems they face having a healthy sex life.

:00:28. > :00:31.A new report given to this programme has found the number of under 18s

:00:32. > :00:33.killed fighting for so called Islamic State is almost double

:00:34. > :00:55.The report is from researchers at Georgia State University. They have

:00:56. > :00:59.been looking at IS propaganda from January 2013 to January 20 16. They

:01:00. > :01:04.have found 89 boys between the ages of eight and 18 have been killed

:01:05. > :01:09.fighting for IS at that time. Rather be many more have been killed, these

:01:10. > :01:13.are just the ones the researchers have identified from IS propaganda,

:01:14. > :01:18.because I celebrate the death of those killed fighting for its cause.

:01:19. > :01:23.because I celebrate the death of It categorises the different ways

:01:24. > :01:29.that these boys are dying. It is shocking reading. 33% of those

:01:30. > :01:34.killed have been killed on the battlefield, around 18% in attacks,

:01:35. > :01:38.which they don't plan on coming back from, essentially kamikaze attacks.

:01:39. > :01:42.They turn up at a checkpoint or target and shoot until they

:01:43. > :01:47.themselves are killed. One of those shocking statistics is 39% of these

:01:48. > :01:52.young boys are dying in suicide car bomb attacks. They strap themselves

:01:53. > :01:57.with suicide vests, get into a car and attack military checkpoints, an

:01:58. > :02:01.eight-year-old died last month. There are very young people fighting

:02:02. > :02:06.with Isis. This gives us a real sense of the movements of ices in

:02:07. > :02:12.the region? It gives us a sense of how able Isis continues to be to

:02:13. > :02:16.move between Iraq and Syria. They don't believe that these two country

:02:17. > :02:21.should be independent, they believe in a caliphate, so to speak. 51%

:02:22. > :02:28.have died in Iraq, they come from all over the world, many of them are

:02:29. > :02:34.from Syria, 36% or so. They are training young boys into Syria then

:02:35. > :02:39.moving them to Iraq. There are outposts of IS around the world in

:02:40. > :02:42.places like Yemen, Libya and Tunisia, deaths of children have

:02:43. > :02:49.been recorded in those places as well. It has given us a broad idea

:02:50. > :02:53.of just how big this situation, how serious it has become. I spoke to

:02:54. > :02:54.Charlie Windsor, one of the authors of the report, he explained about

:02:55. > :02:57.this data. Children aren't just

:02:58. > :02:59.about the propaganda value. They are not just been featured

:03:00. > :03:01.in videos as executioners. Of course, those are the times that

:03:02. > :03:03.children are being featured in Western media reports

:03:04. > :03:06.because they are the most shocking, when you see a child behead someone

:03:07. > :03:09.or shoot someone in the back of the head or, more recently,

:03:10. > :03:12.explode a car with three alleged But, yeah, this is much more

:03:13. > :03:15.widespread and much more systematised than that kind

:03:16. > :03:19.of propaganda would suggest. Children and youth are being used

:03:20. > :03:22.because they have tactical military value, as well as the fact

:03:23. > :03:37.that they have propaganda value. So it raises big questions around

:03:38. > :03:40.the ethics of how you combat this sort of situation. If so many

:03:41. > :03:45.children are being used on the battlefield, how do we fight this?

:03:46. > :03:50.If children as young as eight are being deployed, do we continue to

:03:51. > :03:55.bomb them? Some research says these children's are just as much victims

:03:56. > :03:59.as anyone else. I asked Charlie has serious the situation is and what is

:04:00. > :04:02.likely to continue, going forward. Will the numbers rise?

:04:03. > :04:05.I think that it's a very terrible situation to be in but,

:04:06. > :04:06.yes, as the military pressure against Isis increases

:04:07. > :04:10.I would expect that there will be an acceleration of the amount that

:04:11. > :04:14.And also a lot of these individuals that we are seeing are not children

:04:15. > :04:17.- they are old enough to have passed through its indoctrination

:04:18. > :04:20.in training camps already, so there is a whole lot more of this

:04:21. > :04:26.to come, and it's a terrible situation to be in, but we have

:04:27. > :04:34.What does this report is tell us about young people from Britain,

:04:35. > :04:37.British youngsters going to fight for so-called Islamic State? In this

:04:38. > :04:43.particular dataset they have identified two young men killed over

:04:44. > :04:47.a 13 month period, but the BBC has identified a 220 boys under 18 who

:04:48. > :04:54.have gone to fight for ices over the past five years and have been killed

:04:55. > :04:58.in the process -- have identified 20 boys. We have taken the case of

:04:59. > :05:05.Talhal Asmal, he went over in March last year and became the UK's

:05:06. > :05:08.youngest ever suicide bomber at just 17. Within three months of arriving

:05:09. > :05:14.in Syria he was at a point where he was prepared to blow himself up. His

:05:15. > :05:19.parents made a powerful statement when his identity was revealed,

:05:20. > :05:22.saying he was groomed online. This is extraordinarily serious for

:05:23. > :05:27.security services in the UK to try to combat this level of rain

:05:28. > :05:29.washing. Thank you, James Longman. He had access to that report. --

:05:30. > :05:31.rain washing. Let's talk to Simon Trundle,

:05:32. > :05:33.a consultant who advises the Government on security

:05:34. > :05:42.and counter-terrorism. What do you draw from this?

:05:43. > :05:46.Shocking, but not unusual. We have seen child soldiers in Somalia. It

:05:47. > :05:54.is shocking that IS is promoting them as a hero, a young child aged

:05:55. > :05:58.eight and younger wearing camouflage gear, used in a video recently to

:05:59. > :06:05.allegedly detonated a vehicle with people in. He was four, that child.

:06:06. > :06:11.The youngest children killed fighting for Isis are eight years of

:06:12. > :06:14.age, according to this report. A tier children don't join so-called

:06:15. > :06:21.Islamic State on their own, they don't radicalise themselves --

:06:22. > :06:26.eight-year-old children don't. It is child abuse, Boris Johnson said it

:06:27. > :06:30.is child abuse when you see a child in fatigues with a Kalashnikov. They

:06:31. > :06:36.are not radicalised, they are following instruction. If in the UK

:06:37. > :06:40.we find families trying to move to Syria, we might have the opportunity

:06:41. > :06:43.to use child protection legislation to remove the children from the

:06:44. > :06:55.family, that is another tool that can be used. In terms of Watmore the

:06:56. > :07:02.authorities can do, the police, Government officials, the Department

:07:03. > :07:06.education, what more can they do? If there is no intelligence, there is

:07:07. > :07:12.nothing you can do. You can go on Eurotunnel, these the country if you

:07:13. > :07:17.are not on a register. The battle is intelligence led, community

:07:18. > :07:22.intelligence led. Whether members of the community are willing to say, we

:07:23. > :07:27.know a family is considering going. We have had three generations, ten

:07:28. > :07:31.or 12 people, of one family going to Syria. I don't believe that can

:07:32. > :07:36.happen without somebody else knowing you cannot be that good in planning.

:07:37. > :07:40.Often they say, we are going on holiday or to a wedding or a family

:07:41. > :07:47.get together, of course they don't say they will join IS. But there are

:07:48. > :07:55.indicators, how do grandchildren, grandparents and in-laws all go on

:07:56. > :07:59.holiday together? The battle we have to keep fighting as local

:08:00. > :08:04.intelligence. Will the community report concerns and, if they do, we

:08:05. > :08:09.have a better chance. There are some young men, not aged eight or four,

:08:10. > :08:13.who want to become a martyr for so-called Islamic State, to die

:08:14. > :08:19.fighting for a cause they believe in. You will not get to them. Unless

:08:20. > :08:22.we can get to them earlier and take them through a deal radicalisation

:08:23. > :08:26.programme, which I do not think is effective, they will try to make

:08:27. > :08:32.their own way over there, we cannot stop them. Thank you for coming in.

:08:33. > :08:36.We have been talking about disability and sex this morning,

:08:37. > :08:40.lots of you are getting into it should but the film we showed

:08:41. > :08:45.earlier. Let me read some comments. Check on Twitter, we disabled people

:08:46. > :08:49.are the wonky vegetables of the sexual world, not for everyone that

:08:50. > :08:53.great value and worth the effort. Dave says I would like to get a

:08:54. > :08:58.girlfriend first, then I can think about sex. Until then, my disabled

:08:59. > :09:05.boys will -- life will be void and lonely. Callum says, great report,

:09:06. > :09:09.humour and holiness! Misty says Brilliant stuff on disabled people

:09:10. > :09:14.and sex. When I was very ill 25 years ago I was told I should not

:09:15. > :09:18.have a relationship. Nigel has e-mailed to say I am watching your

:09:19. > :09:22.programme this morning and have been struck by the power and sensitivity

:09:23. > :09:25.surrounding the sexual issues faced by people with disability. We will

:09:26. > :09:28.have another conversation before the end of the programme.

:09:29. > :09:30.Richard Branson says space travel will be affordable for everyone

:09:31. > :09:33.soon, and hopes that in the future he will be able to build

:09:34. > :09:37.His comments come as he relaunches his Virgin Galactic project to send

:09:38. > :09:41.The venture suffered a huge setback in 2014 after one pilot was killed

:09:42. > :09:43.and another seriously injured after the spacecraft crashed

:09:44. > :09:48.SpaceShipTwo is structurally identical to the one that crashed

:09:49. > :09:58.Speaking from the Mojave Desert in California, where the new craft

:09:59. > :10:00.will be revealed, Sir Richard said it will be a poignant moment.

:10:01. > :10:03.The accident happened here in Mojave.

:10:04. > :10:05.A lot of the team were watching when it happened,

:10:06. > :10:14.But everybody picked themselves up, we had a big hug, and everybody ever

:10:15. > :10:22.since, they haven't looked back, they've looked forward.

:10:23. > :10:27.And I think the main thing is space is difficult.

:10:28. > :10:32.We are trying to do things here that nobody else has managed to achieve.

:10:33. > :10:37.The initial flights, it will be eight people in total

:10:38. > :10:41.including the two astronauts flying the craft, so six people

:10:42. > :10:46.going into space, and the initial flights are not enormously long.

:10:47. > :10:53.They are what we call sub orbital flights.

:10:54. > :10:56.You go into space, you get the spectacular views you would get

:10:57. > :10:58.if you were going orbital, but they are relatively short

:10:59. > :11:05.In time, we will go on to doing orbital flights, which can be,

:11:06. > :11:09.you know, could be as long as two or three weeks.

:11:10. > :11:13.And then one day we would love to build a Virgin hotel in space

:11:14. > :11:21.and then people might like to spend even longer in space.

:11:22. > :11:26.He's one of the first people to sign up to go on a Virgin

:11:27. > :11:40.Hello. Thank you for talking to us. You still want to do it despite the

:11:41. > :11:46.pilot being killed, tell us why? I think we deserved to carry on. After

:11:47. > :11:50.the tragic loss of Mike Aylesbury 18 months ago, I think it would have

:11:51. > :11:55.been wrong to cancel the project, he would have lost his life in vain.

:11:56. > :12:03.With this unveiling today of the new spaceship, it is a greatly forward

:12:04. > :12:10.-- great leap forward. Looking towards travel for lots of people.

:12:11. > :12:13.Do you have faith in this one's safety? Obviously after the

:12:14. > :12:19.accident, everything has been looked at, I imagine, more closely, I have

:12:20. > :12:25.100% faith in the organisation and am looking forward to going out

:12:26. > :12:34.Harvey myself eventually, seeing the spaceship. -- going out to Mojave.

:12:35. > :12:38.We have had tours of the factory, we are seeing the young, bright people

:12:39. > :12:43.building this patient. It is an incredible adventure. You have about

:12:44. > :12:48.three days of training before the flight, what will that involve?

:12:49. > :12:53.Weightlessness, going up and experiencing weightlessness just to

:12:54. > :12:58.get you acclimatised, and pulling G-forces, because on re-entry your

:12:59. > :13:01.body goes through a maximum of six G when the spaceship re-enters the

:13:02. > :13:09.Earth's atmosphere. 18 months ago I went to NASCAR in Philadelphia, the

:13:10. > :13:12.centrifuge facility, I did a two decors when they put you through the

:13:13. > :13:21.entire space flight from take-off to re-entry. When you take off, you are

:13:22. > :13:27.doing 3G, 3.5 G, as it accelerates to three times the speed of sound,

:13:28. > :13:34.going vertically to take you up to the line 100 kilometres in altitude.

:13:35. > :13:37.It all sounds slightly scary but also really exciting. Really

:13:38. > :13:44.exciting and scary. I think you are right. Advice how much has this cost

:13:45. > :13:49.you so far? I bought my ticket ten years ago, it was $200,000 then.

:13:50. > :13:53.That was the price of a really nice car. If I'd have bought a really

:13:54. > :13:58.nice card ten years ago I'd have a ten-year old car now, that I have a

:13:59. > :14:02.brand-new ticket to go to space. It has been about the journey, meeting

:14:03. > :14:06.the future astronauts, the experiences we have been invited to,

:14:07. > :14:14.seeing the people building it, talking to the pilots, meeting the

:14:15. > :14:21.person who came up with the original idea for SpaceShip, it is an

:14:22. > :14:26.incredible journey. Sorry, this is personal, how have you afforded 200

:14:27. > :14:33.grand? Hardly an inheritance. We have been careful over the years.

:14:34. > :14:37.There are enough. If I had been driving in a range Rover, nobody

:14:38. > :14:43.would give me a second look. They do not cost 200 grand?! Not far off

:14:44. > :14:49.these days. And we are talking dollars. It is still a lot of money.

:14:50. > :14:54.I wish you the best of luck when it happens, good luck with the

:14:55. > :14:58.training. Still a bit of a way off? I can keep doing the training, I can

:14:59. > :15:03.do the easy road she flights in the states if I want to, and I would

:15:04. > :15:06.like to go back and do the centrifuge again, I found it very

:15:07. > :15:12.interesting. Takes an wonderful photos when you get up there! I

:15:13. > :15:16.think I ought to! Thank you, Richard. He will be on that space

:15:17. > :15:20.flight whenever it takes off. Disabled people tell us

:15:21. > :15:25.about the barriers they say they face to having

:15:26. > :15:31.a healthy sex life. We will talk to one woman who says

:15:32. > :15:44.her disability means she is made to feel the -- desexualised.

:15:45. > :15:46.And we'll hear from the self-confessed shoplifting

:15:47. > :15:49.addict who claims she's stolen ?100,000 worth of goods,

:15:50. > :15:53.David Cameron has arrived for another day of crucial talks

:15:54. > :15:56.in Brussels, after he and other European leaders negotiated long

:15:57. > :15:58.into the night trying to secure a deal on Britain's future

:15:59. > :16:08.He said there was still work to be done.

:16:09. > :16:11.I was here until 5am working through this and we have made some

:16:12. > :16:15.progress but there is still no deal and I will only do a deal if we get

:16:16. > :16:19.what Britain needs so we're going to do some work and I will do

:16:20. > :16:34.Our correspondent is in Brussels. You were asking if I would bet on a

:16:35. > :16:39.deal and I said I would put money on a deal being done and I said that

:16:40. > :16:47.because this man convinces me it is true. Why? I qualify this by saying

:16:48. > :16:52.there could be a big surprise but I was with David Cameron and I thought

:16:53. > :16:59.his demeanour was confident. He did not look as if he was about to storm

:17:00. > :17:05.out. Delirious on two hours sleep. Probably exhausted. Downing Street

:17:06. > :17:11.would love him to go back to London with a deal and kick off his

:17:12. > :17:15.referendum campaign. They and everybody else want this wrapped up.

:17:16. > :17:21.There are still hurdles around benefits and protections for

:17:22. > :17:27.non-Eurozone countries. My hunch is they are surmountable. This arcane

:17:28. > :17:34.and ridiculous things people are talking about, one of the curveballs

:17:35. > :17:39.David Cameron threw on the table was apparently this 13 year emergency

:17:40. > :17:45.brake. It is complex maths. Make it simple. This came from a national

:17:46. > :17:50.briefing from another country who said that was what Britain was

:17:51. > :17:55.asking for, 13 year application possibly of the emergency brake. The

:17:56. > :18:01.emergency rate relates to restricting in work benefits like

:18:02. > :18:06.tax credits. Top ups to salaries. That has been in the draft agreement

:18:07. > :18:11.from the beginning. And new EU worker coming to the UK would have

:18:12. > :18:17.their tax credits restricted for four years. Some debate about how

:18:18. > :18:21.that would work. They would have to increase payments it seems over the

:18:22. > :18:29.four years. What is up for debate is how long the policy can be rented.

:18:30. > :18:35.-- implemented. Under what conditions could you apply it and

:18:36. > :18:41.for how long and how many times? The suggestion is, one possibility is

:18:42. > :18:43.the big UK comes to Brussels, to the European Commission, and makes the

:18:44. > :18:48.case for applying this emergency brake and the commission will decide

:18:49. > :18:54.whether the UK has a case and if so it goes to the European Council to

:18:55. > :19:00.decide. The leaders, the top tier, could say they agree and the UK can

:19:01. > :19:04.have this policy applied to every EU worker for seven years. After that

:19:05. > :19:08.the UK would have the option of coming back and asking for an

:19:09. > :19:18.extension, another three gears or three dears. That is what takes us

:19:19. > :19:24.to 13 years. Cumulatively. Trying to debate that on little sleep. Another

:19:25. > :19:28.card comes from the French and Belgians saying we are not doing

:19:29. > :19:34.this again. You have one referendum and if you vote to leave see you

:19:35. > :19:39.later. You are not coming back to go through this again. Very

:19:40. > :19:45.interesting. Number 10 are not angry because although it increases the

:19:46. > :19:50.pressure on everybody just now if it goes through, and it is in the final

:19:51. > :19:54.communique, it scorches the idea this is a stepping stone towards a

:19:55. > :20:00.second referendum or a long-drawn out agreement that can be added to

:20:01. > :20:06.later. It helps Number 10 in their argument. This is it. This is the

:20:07. > :20:11.deal. This is the final referendum. There will be no returning to this

:20:12. > :20:15.question. Even though this has been added to the discussion by the

:20:16. > :20:20.federal lists France and Belgium it could end up helping the argument

:20:21. > :20:26.that Number 10 will be making once the referendum is under way. The

:20:27. > :20:30.other big debate going on down on the floor is when they need to go

:20:31. > :20:36.and get the train back to London because all of the political

:20:37. > :20:40.correspondents want to be in Downing Street for when David Cameron

:20:41. > :20:47.launches the campaign. Do they go early in the afternoon or wait?

:20:48. > :20:48.So many questions to answer. Thank you for explaining the 13 year

:20:49. > :20:51.thing. Meanwhile, there will be a special

:20:52. > :20:54.EU summit with Turkey on the migrant From today Austria says it will be

:20:55. > :20:57.limiting the number of asylum applications at its southern border

:20:58. > :21:00.to just 80 per day, despite a warning it's

:21:01. > :21:02.breaking EU law. The British Heart Foundation says

:21:03. > :21:04.a new blood test has been developed which can identify all known

:21:05. > :21:06.inherited heart conditions, affecting more than half

:21:07. > :21:09.a million people in the UK. It's meant to be quicker and more

:21:10. > :21:18.reliable than previous tests. At least one person has died

:21:19. > :21:20.after a house near York was destroyed and several others

:21:21. > :21:24.damaged following an explosion. Let's get the latest

:21:25. > :21:37.from our correspondent Dan Johnson This explosion happened just before

:21:38. > :21:41.7:30am. Neighbours describe a loud bang, they thought something like a

:21:42. > :21:46.plane crash might have happened. One of the houses on this quiet broad

:21:47. > :21:51.had completely been destroyed by this sudden explosion. You can see

:21:52. > :21:57.some of the surrounding properties have been damaged by this explosion

:21:58. > :22:01.and the house itself has completely disappeared. Police have confirmed

:22:02. > :22:06.that one person has lost their life this morning in this explosion. That

:22:07. > :22:11.is believed to be the 63-year-old man who lived about property. Lots

:22:12. > :22:16.of the other houses on the street have been evacuated. Residents moved

:22:17. > :22:21.away while the emergency services deal with what has happened. They

:22:22. > :22:26.will not be drawn on what has caused this but the strong suspicion is

:22:27. > :22:30.that is something to do with the gas supply. Engineers investigating and

:22:31. > :22:38.police working to confirm the identity of the person who has died

:22:39. > :22:45.in this explosion. Thank you. Former royal butler Paul Burrell has won an

:22:46. > :22:47.action against Max Clifford. A judge in London has awarded him ?5,000 in

:22:48. > :22:51.damages. Let's catch up with

:22:52. > :22:53.all the sport now. Not a great morning to be

:22:54. > :22:56.a Manchester United supporter. Louis Van Gaal says fans are right

:22:57. > :23:00.to criticise their Europa League defeat to FC Midtjylland in the last

:23:01. > :23:04.32 first leg last night. The first ever SheBelieves Cup will

:23:05. > :23:11.take place in America next month. It's a tournament between England,

:23:12. > :23:13.Germany, France and the USA. All three of England's games will be

:23:14. > :23:16.broadcast on the BBC. It's not often a race at Fakenham

:23:17. > :23:19.in Norfolk makes the headlines, but it's not every day an Olympic

:23:20. > :23:21.cycling champion rides Victoria Pendleton will make her

:23:22. > :23:25.debut around a regulated jumps And after a comfortable warm-up

:23:26. > :23:29.victory, England's cricketers play the first of two Twenty 20 matches

:23:30. > :23:32.against South Africa later. That's in Cape Town as is the second

:23:33. > :23:34.T20 between England's women There'll be more sport on the BBC

:23:35. > :23:46.News Channel throughout the day. "Ugly and undesirable," "Will

:23:47. > :23:49.someone even want to hold my hand - how some disabled people have told

:23:50. > :23:54.us they feel when it comes to sex. This morning we're having a frank

:23:55. > :23:56.conversation about One charity, Enhance the UK,

:23:57. > :24:00.is calling for all staff in care homes, as well as doctors,

:24:01. > :24:03.nurses and other health professionals who work

:24:04. > :24:05.with disabled people, to have training on how to address

:24:06. > :24:08.patients' sexual needs. They want everyone who has a care

:24:09. > :24:11.plan to have their sexual needs For many people with disabilities,

:24:12. > :24:15.sex - or lack of it - isn't an issue - but for others

:24:16. > :24:18.it can be, leading to Romina Puma is a comedian

:24:19. > :24:24.who was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy ten years ago and has used

:24:25. > :24:27.a wheelchair for the last three. She says she's struggled to cope

:24:28. > :24:30.with the way people have begun to desexualise her and has been

:24:31. > :24:32.to meet other people with disabilities to talk

:24:33. > :24:34.about what for many Earlier we bought you her full

:24:35. > :24:40.report - here's a short three minute extract which contains some frank

:24:41. > :24:47.sexual conversations. I have muscular dystrophy,

:24:48. > :24:49.which is a rare muscle waste To give you an idea of the effect it

:24:50. > :24:55.has on me, it is like my facial muscles are falling down,

:24:56. > :24:57.and so is my vagina. Until a few years ago,

:24:58. > :25:05.my life was pretty I used to have a boyfriend,

:25:06. > :25:09.I used to go out on the pull, I used to get with guys,

:25:10. > :25:12.but then my condition got worse and I started to use a wheelchair,

:25:13. > :25:15.and since then it has been very I want to know if our society

:25:16. > :25:26.is ignoring disabled people's right When you don't look

:25:27. > :25:48.the same as everybody I had, you know, people around me

:25:49. > :25:54.saying nasty things. I would have parents

:25:55. > :25:56.pulling their children away from me. So that kind of destroys

:25:57. > :25:58.your confidence If you have no confidence,

:25:59. > :26:01.how are you ever going I just pushed it aside

:26:02. > :26:08.because in my own mind Yeah, and Jamie knew

:26:09. > :26:26.who I was and how I am, and then as we got

:26:27. > :26:28.together and developed our relationship we had sexual

:26:29. > :26:30.confidence with each other. And how did that

:26:31. > :26:46.relationship change you? There is no way I am ever

:26:47. > :26:49.going to be able to do all the positions of the Kama Sutra

:26:50. > :26:53.but, hey, show me a person that can. I think what's more important

:26:54. > :26:55.is that we are actually happy together, and whatever we do

:26:56. > :26:59.in the bedroom we are actually happy What would you like to say to people

:27:00. > :27:04.who still don't recognise the fact that even if we are

:27:05. > :27:07.disabled we still need and want We are absolutely no

:27:08. > :27:14.different to anybody else. We are human, with the same needs,

:27:15. > :27:19.wants and desires as anybody else. And until disabled

:27:20. > :27:22.people are seen as that, I was doing some research

:27:23. > :27:51.and I found the Kama Sutra Even through my comedy I'm trying to

:27:52. > :27:57.raise awareness and, you know, I hope we are going to get

:27:58. > :28:00.to the point where we will be considered

:28:01. > :28:02.like any other person, not just, You can watch - and share -

:28:03. > :28:19.our full film on the programme Melinda says travel to the brave

:28:20. > :28:24.people in your film, it is amazing. Mark says it is refreshing to see

:28:25. > :28:26.this important subject. Larry says this should be private. It has

:28:27. > :28:28.become too public. Romina is here with us now,

:28:29. > :28:30.along with Venessa Parekh, who has used a wheelchair

:28:31. > :28:32.from young age. Also here to discuss

:28:33. > :28:34.this is Jennie Williams, the founder of the charity Enhance

:28:35. > :28:37.the UK, which campaigns for those with disabilities to get

:28:38. > :28:39.proper sexual support. And Dr Tuppy Owens is

:28:40. > :28:41.in Inverness for us - Tuppy has worked for decades

:28:42. > :28:52.to improve disabled people's access We are not going to dance around the

:28:53. > :29:01.issues. Why do you think it is so difficult to talk about disabled

:29:02. > :29:07.people and sex? We are taught as society to look at disabled people

:29:08. > :29:11.as one who has to be helped. There is not enough casual conversation

:29:12. > :29:15.about the normal needs. People assume if you are disabled your not

:29:16. > :29:22.going to be interested in sex. Is that right? People make that

:29:23. > :29:28.assumption? Yes. As soon as you are in a wheelchair or say you have a

:29:29. > :29:40.condition, people think you are not sexually attractive anymore. It

:29:41. > :29:45.is... You are working properly, they do not want to have anything to do

:29:46. > :29:50.with that. Are you apprehensive about talking about sex with your

:29:51. > :29:56.friends? Sometimes, because I do not know how they are going to react and

:29:57. > :30:01.if people turn away and looked at me with pity rather than encouragement,

:30:02. > :30:05.I do not want to be scared. I want to talk about it like any

:30:06. > :30:14.25-year-old Garwood to her friends about her sex life. Is it more a

:30:15. > :30:20.British... I know you are in Italian and would not think twice about

:30:21. > :30:23.it... I would not necessarily talk about sex with my friends, I might

:30:24. > :30:30.after a few drinks but not Mrs Farrelly. I talk about it at

:30:31. > :30:32.breakfast. How much harder do you find it to meet people because of

:30:33. > :30:43.your disability? I don't get hit on in pubs. I am

:30:44. > :30:46.very active online, I would be talking to people, I did not

:30:47. > :30:52.disclose my disability for a fairly long time. We would be getting along

:30:53. > :30:58.well, flirting etc, but once I do, about 50% of the people drop off.

:30:59. > :31:03.The vice what do you think? On the other hand, 50% stick around, which

:31:04. > :31:07.is cool. Once they know me, they are happy to keep the conversation

:31:08. > :31:16.going, that some people see the wheelchair first and don't want to

:31:17. > :31:20.take the effort. Tuppy, a founder of an organisation which helps disabled

:31:21. > :31:26.people find sexual services, clearly there is a demand for it? Are we

:31:27. > :31:32.talking about sexual services and not relationships? You can talk

:31:33. > :31:36.about whatever you like, I am just interested that, in terms of your

:31:37. > :31:41.organisation, people come to you in order to find somebody who can help

:31:42. > :31:47.them? We run lots of things all to help disabled people. To help them

:31:48. > :31:51.have a better private life. One is a sex and disability helpline which I

:31:52. > :31:56.answer, I am a trained sex therapist and I get lots of different calls, I

:31:57. > :32:03.can give you some examples. Outsiders is for disabled people,

:32:04. > :32:08.this is only socially, physically and sensory disabled people, to make

:32:09. > :32:13.friends, enjoy peer support and find partners. We have an online site

:32:14. > :32:20.where people communicate and get to know each other, we also have

:32:21. > :32:25.lunches around the country where they love meeting face to face and

:32:26. > :32:28.sometimes talking about sex. What do you think about the conversation we

:32:29. > :32:34.have been having this morning, it is a taboos subject, and there is

:32:35. > :32:39.nothing wrong with talking about it? Of course not, it is fun to talk

:32:40. > :32:43.about it. We encourage people to talk about it, to lose their

:32:44. > :32:48.inhibitions and get to realise what sort of sex they want. Sometimes

:32:49. > :32:56.they are not really sure, they have been so put down. Then we also run

:32:57. > :33:01.the TLC 's side, which is for disabled men and women to access

:33:02. > :33:05.sexual services, which is very useful for them. Sometimes they need

:33:06. > :33:09.to reclaim their bodies from the medical profession, who have only

:33:10. > :33:13.poked them or operated on them, to feel pleasure in their bodies. But

:33:14. > :33:19.this really want to get educated on what their bodies are capable of

:33:20. > :33:24.enjoying. -- of those really want to. And what they can do to help a

:33:25. > :33:29.partner have a good time. And some others have a fetish and they can't

:33:30. > :33:33.find anybody to satisfy that fetish, others just want to have a good

:33:34. > :33:41.time, lose that the genital. Lots of guys say, I feel like a man because

:33:42. > :33:45.I have had sex. -- lose their virginity. Jennie, your organisation

:33:46. > :33:52.would like discussion about sexual needs to be included in a care plan,

:33:53. > :33:59.why? If somebody acquires a disability, some people never go

:34:00. > :34:02.home and they end up in a care home, lots of people are married, bots

:34:03. > :34:06.have had relationships or are still in relationships. Generally

:34:07. > :34:11.speaking, people go into single beds. I have not slept in a single

:34:12. > :34:16.bed since I was a teenager. It makes you feel like a young person again,

:34:17. > :34:22.not like a grown-up. Instantly that is taken away from you. Even to have

:34:23. > :34:26.a partner state, you had to go through a risk assessment, all the

:34:27. > :34:31.rigmarole just to have a partner stay. I visit care homes three times

:34:32. > :34:36.a week, very rarely do partners stay. That is hard enough, let alone

:34:37. > :34:41.if you don't have a partner and you want to meet someone. Karstadt, it

:34:42. > :34:44.is really hard for them, you will get in trouble for inappropriate

:34:45. > :34:48.behaviour for putting your arm around somebody and calling them

:34:49. > :34:55.love, so let alone having a conversation about sex. There is no

:34:56. > :34:59.training for care staff. It is all about planning and the care for that

:35:00. > :35:03.person, but you go through care plans and there is nothing about

:35:04. > :35:09.sexuality. Have medical professionals ever spoken to you

:35:10. > :35:14.about your sexual needs, has it come up in conversation? Never. Why

:35:15. > :35:20.haven't you bought it up? I always tried to manage by myself. But in

:35:21. > :35:25.the last year or so, it has become even more difficult to get to know

:35:26. > :35:36.someone because they don't approach me any more. I was thinking to get

:35:37. > :35:42.some sex therapists, sex worker or something to be of... Something...

:35:43. > :35:45.Give me something! I need this explanation Kayla says she finds it

:35:46. > :35:52.shocking that sex and relationships are not part of care plans. Ritchie

:35:53. > :35:57.says, I am 40 plus, a partially disabled ex-soldier and male model.

:35:58. > :36:01.I have had no female contact for eight years. Women discriminate

:36:02. > :36:07.harshly against mental disability. So few women want genuine men in

:36:08. > :36:12.their lives, regardless of looks, personality, etc. I have fought for

:36:13. > :36:16.my I hadn't even the way my own country and women in particular

:36:17. > :36:17.my I hadn't even the way my own treat me. Jeremy says this is much

:36:18. > :36:21.needed, treat me. Jeremy says this is much

:36:22. > :36:27.portrayed on screen. Neal says it is not just sex, it is all relations

:36:28. > :36:31.with women which make people uncomfortable in discussion. Yikes,

:36:32. > :36:33.says someone on Twitter, pink disabled has caused me two

:36:34. > :36:37.relationship write-downs, nobody disabled has caused me two

:36:38. > :36:44.wants me as I have got worse and IBD miss having a sex life. What is to

:36:45. > :36:50.be done? It is interesting that he said you do not often see sex and

:36:51. > :36:55.disability in the media. You don't see much disability in the media. If

:36:56. > :36:57.you ask somebody to think about disability, you would say that girl

:36:58. > :37:04.on children's television with half an arm, people scraping the barrel

:37:05. > :37:07.to find people represented. That is massive. Scope did a huge survey

:37:08. > :37:13.saying that massive. Scope did a huge survey

:37:14. > :37:17.avoid... Able-bodied people actively avoid talking to disabled people.

:37:18. > :37:21.You had to change that, you had to create and promote change

:37:22. > :37:23.You had to change that, you had to thought process of able-bodied

:37:24. > :37:28.people to look through someone's disability and see them as sexual

:37:29. > :37:30.beings the same as everybody else. Thank you all for coming on.

:37:31. > :37:33.In an exclusive interview a mum of two tells us she's addicted

:37:34. > :37:35.to shoplifting and is desperate for help to stop.

:37:36. > :37:38.The woman - who we're calling Laura and not identifying -

:37:39. > :37:41.says she's been stealing for over 20 years since the age of seven.

:37:42. > :37:51.That is just an estimate. stolen goods worth over ?100,000.

:37:52. > :37:53.She explained how she first began stealing -

:37:54. > :37:58.Since the age of seven I've been stealing and it has just gotten

:37:59. > :38:01.bigger and bigger, to the point where it is out of control

:38:02. > :38:16.Over the years, we've worked out you've probably stolen goods

:38:17. > :38:23.Slightly surprised, but not really, just because of how long I have been

:38:24. > :38:33.stealing and the extent to which I've been stealing.

:38:34. > :38:35.When you steal something from a shop, or from a friend,

:38:36. > :38:38.or money from a till, what is that feeling like?

:38:39. > :38:47.And then there is something in my brain that is just telling me,

:38:48. > :38:52.So it is working at my brain, just on at me, telling me,

:38:53. > :39:01.working out a way basically to get what I want.

:39:02. > :39:04.Do you steal from friends now, as an adult?

:39:05. > :39:07.Yes, not as much as I used to, but, yeah, there will be times

:39:08. > :39:28.I want that skirt or I want those shoes, and that's all I'm thinking.

:39:29. > :39:32.If I don't steal the item on that day, I go home and there is a lot

:39:33. > :39:34.of guilt in my mind, like it's an argument

:39:35. > :39:44.Is that wise - is that not enough to make you stop?

:39:45. > :39:49.That's the only thing I can think of, because I know how

:39:50. > :39:54.I'm scared of just being arrested, let alone going to jail.

:39:55. > :39:56.So you believe this could be a condition?

:39:57. > :40:01.Similar perhaps to an addiction, to alcohol or drugs?

:40:02. > :40:04.Stealing - yeah, it's an addiction, because I'm doing something that

:40:05. > :40:24.I don't want to do and I'm trying to fight.

:40:25. > :40:26.There will be people watching you are thinking, just stop.

:40:27. > :40:31.I just want to stop, and generally I do have quite good

:40:32. > :40:34.willpower when it comes to other things in life, and I have tried

:40:35. > :40:46.I sometimes even change my handbag when I'm going out.

:40:47. > :40:49.I will carry a bag that is really small which I can't

:40:50. > :40:53.I will still work out a way to take something.

:40:54. > :41:03.Let's talk to Simon Stephens, who is an accredited member

:41:04. > :41:05.of the British Association of Counselling and Psychotherapists,

:41:06. > :41:07.and lead counsellor from the organisation Addictions UK.

:41:08. > :41:11.We can also talk one of our viewers who's got in touch this morning.

:41:12. > :41:13.She says she has a similar addiction to shoplifting.

:41:14. > :41:19.She's talking to us anonymously this morning and we're calling her Poppy.

:41:20. > :41:25.Simon, first of all, is a genuinely possible to be addicted to

:41:26. > :41:29.shoplifting? Absolutely. Many people think it is purely about financial

:41:30. > :41:33.gain, but it is an addiction in the same way that people can have

:41:34. > :41:38.gambling addictions or, indeed, alcohol addictions or, indeed,

:41:39. > :41:42.shopping addictions. Lots of our viewers say, come off it, it is an

:41:43. > :41:47.excuse for criminal behaviour. To generalise in that way is not to

:41:48. > :41:51.understand the problem. Some people feel an absolute compulsion to

:41:52. > :41:54.behave in certain ways. We know this is true when we look at

:41:55. > :42:03.obsessive-compulsive disorders, to which this is closely related. The

:42:04. > :42:07.urges that Laura has described, give us more insight? From what is

:42:08. > :42:15.happening, perhaps she does not realise, ultimately this is a desire

:42:16. > :42:19.to suppress emotional sensitivities within. The action of shoplifting

:42:20. > :42:23.produces adrenaline that goes on to produce dopamine, which helps

:42:24. > :42:27.suppress those emotions. She may well not understand that is going

:42:28. > :42:31.on, many addicts don't understand that is at the core of their

:42:32. > :42:36.addiction, and they rationalise it by saying, I kind of enjoy it, I get

:42:37. > :42:41.a buzz, and it does not matter what the addiction is, whether it is a

:42:42. > :42:46.substance or a behaviour, people are asked, why do you do this? Let's

:42:47. > :42:55.hear from poppy. Poppy, I will ask you that, why do you do it? Thank

:42:56. > :43:00.you, Victoria. I have no idea. For 30 years, I have done this. I have

:43:01. > :43:05.no need to do it, I am very affluent, I live in an affluent

:43:06. > :43:13.area. Your show has highlighted to me that I do have an addiction, I

:43:14. > :43:21.have no reason for what I do and I feel no guilt when I do it. However,

:43:22. > :43:26.when I get back I feel guilty and I am reeling myself to try to

:43:27. > :43:33.understand why I do it. Simon, what should Poppy, Laura and any others

:43:34. > :43:37.do? Thank you, Poppy, by the way. Firstly it is accepting you have a

:43:38. > :43:41.problem. I was interested that the viewer mentioned feeling no guilt,

:43:42. > :43:45.that is the role of dopamine, it will cut down the feeling of guilt

:43:46. > :43:50.at the time, but afterwards you will feel immense guilt, which recycles

:43:51. > :43:51.because that is a strong emotion. Thank you very much for coming on

:43:52. > :43:54.the programme. Joanna's presenting the programme

:43:55. > :43:58.next week and most likely the week after depending on how my

:43:59. > :44:01.chemotherapy session goes on Monday.