01/03/2016

:00:11. > :00:16.It is Tuesday, it is 9:15am, I am Joanna Gosling in Fort

:00:17. > :00:19.This morning - dramatic footage which shows the moment a homeless

:00:20. > :00:28.man is nearly crushed to death after sleeping in a waste bin.

:00:29. > :00:35.You can see is a driver as he starts to lift the container, then he

:00:36. > :00:39.disappears from the view from the front camera over the top of the

:00:40. > :00:44.cab, and the other camera is looking into the hopper, and as you can see

:00:45. > :00:45.from this, there was still somebody in the container, despite doing all

:00:46. > :00:47.the checks that we could. One waste management company says

:00:48. > :00:49.it's finding three people a week Also on the programme,

:00:50. > :00:54.clashes between police and migrants overnight in Calais -

:00:55. > :00:57.we'll be live in the Jungle camp as French riot police

:00:58. > :00:59.move in to make way And how much salt do you think

:01:00. > :01:05.is in all of these products? We'll reveal all in around 20

:01:06. > :01:07.minutes' time, and find out why the amount of salt in some

:01:08. > :01:10.products is increasing - despite a promise from food

:01:11. > :01:13.manufacturers to cut it Welcome to the programme,

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:01:51. > :01:55.or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria. First this morning, hundreds

:01:56. > :01:58.of homeless people could be putting themselves at risk of serious injury

:01:59. > :02:00.or death by sleeping One of the largest rubbish

:02:01. > :02:13.collection companies, And in the last five years

:02:14. > :02:17.the bodies of at least 11 people have been found in recycling

:02:18. > :02:19.depots after being crushed The rise is being put down

:02:20. > :02:26.to an increase in the number of rough sleepers and partly

:02:27. > :02:29.because shops are recycling more dry waste like cardboard and plastic,

:02:30. > :03:03.making the bins more attractive So you can see the driver

:03:04. > :03:07.as he starts to lift the container, and then he disappears from the view

:03:08. > :03:10.of the front camera over the top And then you get the other camera

:03:11. > :03:14.looking into the hopper. As you can see from this video,

:03:15. > :03:17.despite doing all the checks, there was still someone

:03:18. > :03:20.in this container. The chances of someone

:03:21. > :03:30.being in there... May be minimum, but they could be

:03:31. > :03:39.in there, so this is why we do every A recycling centre near

:03:40. > :03:42.the docks in Bristol. Thousands of tonnes

:03:43. > :03:45.of plastic and cardboard come In 2014, staff here called

:03:46. > :03:50.the police after finding human The fingerprints were matched

:03:51. > :04:01.to 34-year-old Matthew Symonds. a few nights before,

:04:02. > :04:07.after getting there too late. into a recycling bin in the back

:04:08. > :04:14.of a shopping centre. When something like that happens,

:04:15. > :04:21.it is absolutely devastating. because whatever happens,

:04:22. > :04:24.we can't bring these people back. Was there anything that could have

:04:25. > :04:31.been done in that case differently? Honestly, I don't think

:04:32. > :04:34.there could have been. We have evidence that

:04:35. > :04:38.the driver checked the bin. That's the worrying

:04:39. > :04:40.thing about this. No matter how well we check our

:04:41. > :04:43.containers, there's absoluely no It happens far more often

:04:44. > :04:51.than you might think. These cameras, mounted on bin

:04:52. > :04:54.trucks, spotted not one, but two people jumping out of larger

:04:55. > :04:57.recycling bins seconds before And this footage, taken

:04:58. > :05:03.at night in Nottingham, A large container is picked up

:05:04. > :05:10.and the contents dropped 20 feet. A camera inside the compactor itself

:05:11. > :05:16.shows what happened next. Anybody that goes through a tipping

:05:17. > :05:25.motion into a truck is very lucky. Generally, you're going to be

:05:26. > :05:28.falling onto waste that's soft, so you have a little bit

:05:29. > :05:30.of a cushioned landing. But if you're not seen,

:05:31. > :05:34.the driver compacts the waste, and the issue is that you won't be

:05:35. > :05:37.seen until we get to Getting an idea of the scale or size

:05:38. > :05:45.of this problem is difficult. Biffa is just one waste

:05:46. > :05:48.management company in the UK. In the year to March 2014,

:05:49. > :05:53.they found 31 people in their bins. A year later, that had risen to 93

:05:54. > :05:56.and in the current financial year, which finishes at the end of March,

:05:57. > :06:03.they have already found 175. I think there's

:06:04. > :06:05.a combination of factors. We are certainly putting more effort

:06:06. > :06:08.into our drivers ensuring they report everyone found

:06:09. > :06:12.in or around our waste containers. But undoubtedly, the numbers

:06:13. > :06:15.of people homeless and needing to sleep rough are

:06:16. > :06:23.increasing as well. The only dedicated night shelter

:06:24. > :06:29.here has 18 beds. It turns away that many again

:06:30. > :06:32.on a typical night, George says he has been homeless

:06:33. > :06:47.since he lost his job before His family doesn't know,

:06:48. > :06:50.and he doesn't want his face Has that ever

:06:51. > :07:14.happened to you? For the bin drivers themselves,

:07:15. > :07:36.dealing with all this is now part Barry starts his shift at five,

:07:37. > :07:43.picking up large commercial containers from shops

:07:44. > :07:46.and industrial estates. Could be cigarette packets,

:07:47. > :07:51.or bottles of alcohol if they've All the bins do have locks to stop

:07:52. > :07:59.people getting inside. In theory, shops, cafes and other

:08:00. > :08:02.firms can be fined or even taken Maybe it's the same customer

:08:03. > :08:13.locking their bins. Again, you're looking around

:08:14. > :08:18.everywhere just to see if there's It's unscientific, but around half

:08:19. > :08:32.of the bins we found round the back of these shops were left open

:08:33. > :08:37.and completely unlocked. Another two foot down,

:08:38. > :08:39.could climb in there, Especially in the winter,

:08:40. > :08:52.and because there's so many about, we're disgusted that these shelters

:08:53. > :08:56.are full up and they've Another problem is that we sort

:08:57. > :09:03.and recycle so much That means those large bins

:09:04. > :09:06.are often left unlocked, full of dry cardboard

:09:07. > :09:11.and soft plastic. Shift the cardboard about,

:09:12. > :09:13.just in case there's We've heard from drivers,

:09:14. > :09:18.who despite warnings, have found the same people sleeping

:09:19. > :09:24.in the same bins night after night. I need to keep my eye on the camera,

:09:25. > :09:29.which is fixed on the top roof. The trucks are fitted with cameras,

:09:30. > :09:32.so they should be able to see But if someone is hiding

:09:33. > :09:37.in the bottom of a container, drunk or passed out or just asleep,

:09:38. > :09:45.they could still be missed. So your customers have some sort

:09:46. > :09:50.of responsibility to make sure that they're in a safe state and that

:09:51. > :09:53.people don't climb in? Yes, every bin we supply

:09:54. > :09:57.to our customers is lockable. There is a device to secure

:09:58. > :09:59.and lock the containers. Not all of the bins

:10:00. > :10:05.we go to are locked. It's a UK-wide problem for everybody

:10:06. > :10:16.that produces waste. The Government says no one should

:10:17. > :10:18.have to sleep rough, and it is now increasing some

:10:19. > :10:22.funding to tackle homelessness. The only sure-fire way to cut

:10:23. > :10:25.the risk is to reduce the number Figures out last week show

:10:26. > :10:30.the opposite is happening. The number sleeping rough in Bristol

:10:31. > :10:33.has more than doubled After 10am we'll be joined

:10:34. > :10:39.in the studio by a man who's homeless and has slept

:10:40. > :10:41.in bins in the past. If you want to share Jim's

:10:42. > :10:44.film you can find it on the programme page,

:10:45. > :11:00.bbc.co.uk/victoria. You have been getting Internet, Nina

:11:01. > :11:05.says, really, how many sleeping choices does a homeless person have?

:11:06. > :11:09.They have been dehumanised by the Government. John says shelter and a

:11:10. > :11:15.bed should be the minimum for everyone, paid for by the state. One

:11:16. > :11:19.anonymous text says my wife bloke -- works at a charity looking after the

:11:20. > :11:22.homeless, she has been told that they will be stopped from letting

:11:23. > :11:28.people sleep at the centre because of financial cuts, bad in this

:11:29. > :11:32.weather. David says, I take stuff to a local homeless shelter, it is

:11:33. > :11:38.disgusting this happens. People need to see this, it is real. So many

:11:39. > :11:39.empty houses, give them shelter. We will be talking more about that

:11:40. > :11:43.later so keep getting in touch. Demolition teams have moved back

:11:44. > :11:45.into the migrant camp - known as the Jungle -

:11:46. > :11:48.in Calais, to continue dismantling Yesterday violence broke out as some

:11:49. > :11:55.of the workers were pelted with stones and overnight

:11:56. > :11:57.there were running battles Lorries making their way to the port

:11:58. > :12:04.were also attacked This morning riot police marched into the camp

:12:05. > :12:07.as bulldozers moved in to continue The French authorities

:12:08. > :12:11.want people to move Our reporter Anna Holligan sent this

:12:12. > :12:18.report a short time ago. We saw and felt the police response

:12:19. > :12:21.yesterday, they deployed tear gas And now they are heading right

:12:22. > :12:30.into the heart of the Jungle. They've got their own gas masks

:12:31. > :12:33.with them attached to their sides, shields, as you can see, batons,

:12:34. > :12:39.mostly in their belts for now. But the one thing you can be

:12:40. > :12:42.sure of here in Calais is that the situation

:12:43. > :12:44.can change very fast. Everyone is on edge,

:12:45. > :12:51.and the tension yesterday... There are still people

:12:52. > :13:01.living inside these tents, there were approximately

:13:02. > :13:05.100 cleared yesterday. The people who were living in this

:13:06. > :13:11.southern section which was scheduled for demolition, according

:13:12. > :13:13.to the judge's order last week, they are mostly young men,

:13:14. > :13:16.the women and children The young men who we were speaking

:13:17. > :13:20.to yesterday were from Afghanistan, There are lots of

:13:21. > :13:25.Sudanese people here. Some of them trying to sit

:13:26. > :13:28.on top of the tents We saw police pointing

:13:29. > :13:32.a gun at one of them, asking him to come down to make way

:13:33. > :13:36.for the demolition squads. And then we saw people setting fire

:13:37. > :13:41.to the wooden structures, perhaps in protest, perhaps before

:13:42. > :13:43.knowing that the demolition teams You can see down the edge

:13:44. > :13:50.of this muddy pathway, it looks as though the water cannon

:13:51. > :13:55.is coming back into position. This is the situation moving

:13:56. > :14:02.slightly faster than yesterday, it looks as though the police

:14:03. > :14:05.are coming in first to make way Yesterday was the demolition

:14:06. > :14:10.team that went in first, I'll stand back so you can

:14:11. > :14:16.have a look at this developing scene We can speak now to Philli Boyle,

:14:17. > :14:26.Calais manager for one of the most active volunteer groups,

:14:27. > :14:36.Help Refugees UK. She has just left the Jungle. Thank

:14:37. > :14:43.you for joining us. What was the picture when you left? I left about

:14:44. > :14:50.an hour ago. Things were looking very can. Many people in the

:14:51. > :14:53.neighbouring area to wear was demolished yesterday had evacuated

:14:54. > :14:58.during the night. We presume that some will have fled, some will have

:14:59. > :15:04.gone to seek refuge in the shelters or caravans of friends and family in

:15:05. > :15:09.other areas of the camp, many will have wanted to avoid being any part

:15:10. > :15:15.of the scenes that they saw yesterday. What is the objection of

:15:16. > :15:20.the people you working with to move into the shipping containers? It is

:15:21. > :15:24.not one or the other. There are 150 places left in the shipping

:15:25. > :15:30.containers and 3500 people in the southern part of the camp. The

:15:31. > :15:34.numbers do not tally up. This is our concern, there are not enough

:15:35. > :15:38.proposed options for the people living in the camp. The French

:15:39. > :15:42.authorities have said they will move people to shelters in other parts of

:15:43. > :15:48.France, do you see that as a viable option? Yes, you know, what we want

:15:49. > :15:54.is for refugees to have a roof over their heads, the warm, clothed, fed

:15:55. > :15:58.and safe for the winter. If these accommodations are real enough for

:15:59. > :16:02.everyone, if they are the only option we would encourage the

:16:03. > :16:04.refugees to take this. The problem that we have is the way that the

:16:05. > :16:09.authorities have that we have is the way that the

:16:10. > :16:14.process. Arriving and telling someone they have one hour to get

:16:15. > :16:18.their belongings together before their shelter will be destroyed as

:16:19. > :16:22.the best case scenario. Yesterday we saw people returning from a trip to

:16:23. > :16:26.the toilet to find their shelter had been dismantled and they had lost

:16:27. > :16:31.all of their possessions. This is not a way to treat people, to show

:16:32. > :16:34.all of their possessions. This is the kind of dignity that we were

:16:35. > :16:39.told by the authorities in the last couple of weeks that we would see.

:16:40. > :16:42.It is not a humane treatment. What are you as a charity doing in that

:16:43. > :16:57.situation? The long-term volunteers are on the

:16:58. > :17:01.ground. We have the packs so when people lose their belongs, we make

:17:02. > :17:04.sure they are given the essentials, we have food pack positions within

:17:05. > :17:08.the camp to enable people to have something to eat, food that's quick

:17:09. > :17:13.that they can take and eat on the go should they decide to make their own

:17:14. > :17:17.way out of the camp and in the days to come. We remain in conversation

:17:18. > :17:20.with the residents constantly, you know. We are supporting them in the

:17:21. > :17:28.way that they need. What they have asked us to do is to be peaceful, to

:17:29. > :17:31.help them communicate with the police where necessary and to supply

:17:32. > :17:42.the aid that we have always done. Thank you very much.

:17:43. > :17:47.Still to come: Five years after the food industry sign add voluntary

:17:48. > :17:50.code saying it would try to reduce salt levels, the programme's been

:17:51. > :18:11.told some ready meals contain more salt than ever before.

:18:12. > :18:14.And this is Megan who drowned after a night out. We'll speak to her mum

:18:15. > :18:22.about it. The main news now: An operation to demolish makeshift

:18:23. > :18:25.shelters for migrants in the French Bulldozers have moved

:18:26. > :18:29.in to the camp, known Police are being backed up by water

:18:30. > :18:34.canon after violent clashes between riot officers

:18:35. > :18:37.and migrants overnight. Hundreds of homeless people could be

:18:38. > :18:39.putting themselves at risk of serious injury or death

:18:40. > :18:43.by sleeping in large recycling bins. One of the largest rubbish

:18:44. > :18:46.collection companies - Biffa - has told this programme

:18:47. > :18:49.it is now finding three people Scientists say they have evidence

:18:50. > :18:55.for the first time that the Zika virus sweeping Latin America can

:18:56. > :18:59.cause a severe neurological disorder Barclays Bank has announced a fall

:19:00. > :19:04.in profits and a big shake-up in the company, which will see it

:19:05. > :19:08.sell its business in Africa. Full-year profits, before tax,

:19:09. > :19:26.have dropped two percent, Justin Bieber dropped in to see the

:19:27. > :19:30.singing health workers and congratulate them on their number

:19:31. > :19:36.one success, he presented them with their award. Let's catch up with the

:19:37. > :19:39.sport now with Chris. 11-games to go in the Premier League

:19:40. > :19:42.and Leicester are still top of the table but don't go

:19:43. > :19:45.thinking they're favourites The Leicester boss has said you need

:19:46. > :19:57.to be looking at Tottenham if you want favourites..

:19:58. > :19:59.Claudio Ranieri says the London club He says they along with Arsenal

:20:00. > :20:07.are the clubs most likely A touch of mind games perhaps

:20:08. > :20:12.but it's all; good fun, Leicester play tonight they meet

:20:13. > :20:19.West Brom and you wonder about the motivation

:20:20. > :20:23.of the West Brom players. Their boss Tony Pulis says he'd love

:20:24. > :20:26.Leicester to win the title. If Leicester win they'll be

:20:27. > :20:29.5-points clear at the top.. And for the record

:20:30. > :20:31.they are favourites. Perhaps next season we#ll be

:20:32. > :20:33.talking about Brighton for the Premier League,

:20:34. > :20:35.they've moved to within 1-point of automatic promotion to the top

:20:36. > :20:39.after they beat Leeds And we'll also be talking Athletics

:20:40. > :20:45.- it's 500-days to go to the 2017 World Championships in London ,

:20:46. > :20:47.we'll have some special Salt; we all know we should consume

:20:48. > :20:53.less of it, but how much salt do you think is in ready

:20:54. > :20:55.meals like these? Five years after the food industry

:20:56. > :20:58.signed a voluntary code saying it would try to reduce

:20:59. > :21:01.salt levels in foods. This programme's been told some

:21:02. > :21:03.ready meals contain more salt Consensus Action on Salt and Health

:21:04. > :21:07.or cash call the rise "shocking" and say it's proof the voluntary

:21:08. > :21:09.scheme isn't working. They're calling for the govt

:21:10. > :21:28.to intervene. Let us go through what is in these

:21:29. > :21:32.particular meals because you have been looking into them. This is

:21:33. > :21:37.Sainsbury's and we are demonstrating with crisp packets because people

:21:38. > :21:46.understand the salt levels in crisp packets. That has the equivalent of

:21:47. > :21:54.four standard 25g bags of crisps. Yes. When we last surveyed spag bol

:21:55. > :21:59.in 2007 we found this particular meal's increased by about 160% since

:22:00. > :22:02.then, so quite a big jump in salt content which goes against what

:22:03. > :22:05.they've pledged to do and what many companies have said they would do,

:22:06. > :22:09.which is to reduce the salt content of the foods in a gradual step so

:22:10. > :22:18.that not many people would notice the difference in salt taste. Let's

:22:19. > :22:24.look at ASDA. This has less salt, around two 25g bags of crisps. How

:22:25. > :22:27.is that done? That also has increased slightly too but you can

:22:28. > :22:31.tell by looking at the two meals the huge variation in salt content

:22:32. > :22:34.within any given ready meal, so two competitors, one has twice the

:22:35. > :22:39.amount of salt as the other which goes to show it's not just one salt

:22:40. > :22:44.value for all of these meals, there is a huge variation and it's really

:22:45. > :22:48.important people look at the labels, compare like for like and choose the

:22:49. > :22:52.healthier option. There's another option that we couldn't get hold of

:22:53. > :23:03.but it's an ASDA extra special option? Yes. And it has the

:23:04. > :23:09.equivalent of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight bags of

:23:10. > :23:12.crisps. It's shocking. People would know that plain crisps are a salty

:23:13. > :23:18.product, you would know that would contain a significant amount of

:23:19. > :23:21.crisps, but not the case with ready meals, significantly I'm guessing

:23:22. > :23:25.that might have been a healthy or luxury range, people would assume

:23:26. > :23:30.it's healthier, it has more fruits and veg, perhaps more nutrients but

:23:31. > :23:36.to contain that amount of salt is shocking really.

:23:37. > :23:39.Sainsburys told us "salt reduction is an important part of our ongoing

:23:40. > :23:41.programme of reformulation and all the products referenced meet

:23:42. > :23:43.the government's 2017 salt targets, with the exception of Sainburys

:23:44. > :23:55.cornflakes which are currently being redeveloped.

:23:56. > :24:15.So how do you explain why the levels are going up then? Many retailers

:24:16. > :24:18.and companies in general have actually pledged to reduce the salt

:24:19. > :24:22.which is great. We have worked with them since the early 2000s to get

:24:23. > :24:25.salt levels down gradually and it was working very successfully before

:24:26. > :24:29.the coalition Government came in. It was under the control of the Food

:24:30. > :24:32.Standards Agency, it was closely monitored and they applied a good

:24:33. > :24:39.amount of pressure on the industry to follow through. Unfortunately,

:24:40. > :24:42.after 2010, the Government took responsibility for nutrition away

:24:43. > :24:46.from the Food Standards Agency and developed this responsibility deal

:24:47. > :24:50.which is being governed by the Health Minister. I think it's from

:24:51. > :24:53.that point, and this is what we have seen in the surveys we have done,

:24:54. > :24:57.not just in the ready meals but other categories of food, it's at

:24:58. > :25:00.that point that we have seen that pressure has reduced significantly

:25:01. > :25:04.and therefore the pressure to reduce the salt levels in these foods just

:25:05. > :25:11.aren't their priority any more. I should say as well, this is

:25:12. > :25:15.Sainsbury and ASDA ready meals, what about the other two, Morrison and

:25:16. > :25:19.Tesco? It depends on the category of food we are looking at. The ready

:25:20. > :25:24.meals, spag bol, they weren't quite as negative in the impact of salt

:25:25. > :25:29.increases, but we also looked at cottage pie and found increases

:25:30. > :25:31.there. Cheese, cheddar cheese is a good example of where very little's

:25:32. > :25:35.happened in the last ten or good example of where very little's

:25:36. > :25:40.and that could be a situation where they can't remove as much salt

:25:41. > :25:44.because of the preservative factors or the process in making the cheese.

:25:45. > :25:48.Having said that, again looking at the 200 cheddar cheese products we

:25:49. > :25:53.surveyed, there was a Sarah yous once again in the salt content in

:25:54. > :26:00.there, so there are products that have much less salt in them than

:26:01. > :26:05.others. Time Rycroft from the Food Drink Federation joins us. Take a

:26:06. > :26:08.seat, Sonia. What is going on, there was a voluntary level for salt to go

:26:09. > :26:13.down, they are going up, what's happened? That's not right. The food

:26:14. > :26:17.and drink industry has taken another 8% of salt out of products so it's

:26:18. > :26:25.not true to say the responsibility deal has stalled, that is on top of

:26:26. > :26:32.a 15% level on salt between 2001 and 2011. How does that square with what

:26:33. > :26:36.we are seeing over there? If we take salt out of the national diet, we'll

:26:37. > :26:43.have to do that across a huge range of foods. You are picking on a few

:26:44. > :26:46.products. Sonia says salt levels are flat in some categories an going

:26:47. > :26:52.down in others. Progress is being made. 50% less salt in crisps now

:26:53. > :26:56.than in the early 90s. If progress is being made obviously in a large

:26:57. > :26:59.number of areas that you are talking about, why sit that some products

:27:00. > :27:03.are being able to slip through the net and the salt content is

:27:04. > :27:07.increasing? Individual manufacturers and retailers I suspect will always

:27:08. > :27:10.have variations in products, there'll be competition between

:27:11. > :27:13.them. What I would say is our responsibility as consumers is to

:27:14. > :27:16.use the front of pack labelling which will always declare how much

:27:17. > :27:19.salt is in there and how much of your guideline daily allowance that

:27:20. > :27:22.represents to make informed choices, so those products that are

:27:23. > :27:25.relatively speaking high in salt will declare it on the front of the

:27:26. > :27:31.pack. A fair Sonia, there for everyone to see? It is, but that

:27:32. > :27:43.relies on people to be more oak I van and to use the labels and it's

:27:44. > :27:46.-- more observant. Without people realising the salt has increased in

:27:47. > :27:50.their popular brand, it becomes very difficult. I appreciate your point,

:27:51. > :27:54.we appreciate the food industry has been reducing the salt but the

:27:55. > :27:58.surveys we found which admittedly is only in five categories of food, but

:27:59. > :28:00.refry day products that people would buy weekly probably, we have found

:28:01. > :28:05.the biggest reductions were under buy weekly probably, we have found

:28:06. > :28:09.the Food Standards Agency control. Those reductions have now slowed

:28:10. > :28:13.down or halted all together under the responsibility deal. Sorry, I

:28:14. > :28:18.don't think that. the responsibility deal. Sorry, I

:28:19. > :28:24.a role in food that is Cowan to taste. The salt in bread slows down

:28:25. > :28:26.the yeast, makes the dough stronger, there's only so much salt you can

:28:27. > :28:29.take out of bread before there's only so much salt you can

:28:30. > :28:33.being bread. The fact huge progress has been made, it's not surprising

:28:34. > :28:36.that there is a bit of a slowdown in some categories where it's getting

:28:37. > :28:41.harder to take salt out and still bring consumers with us. It has

:28:42. > :28:46.preservative value as well? It increases shelf life as well. Using

:28:47. > :28:49.salt instead of artificial preservatives is something consumers

:28:50. > :28:51.would appreciate. I suppose it's the shock factor of people not

:28:52. > :28:55.necessarily knowing what shock factor of people not

:28:56. > :29:00.consuming. For instance, one particular tin of soup has more salt

:29:01. > :29:03.in it than a Big Mac and large fries, people think they are taking

:29:04. > :29:08.a healthy option when they have soup? I do come back to the

:29:09. > :29:11.labelling and great work that CASH has done, the advice on salt has

:29:12. > :29:15.been consistent for a long time and people do understand that they need

:29:16. > :29:19.to think about their salt intake, so we need to work to help people

:29:20. > :29:22.understand the labels, to use the labels, to make those informed

:29:23. > :29:26.choices and if they want to choose a lower salt product, use the labels

:29:27. > :29:31.to help you choose. Do you think anything should change, Sonia? Do

:29:32. > :29:35.you think that the voluntary system is working effectively? Should there

:29:36. > :29:40.be a mandatory system? If the voluntary process does not work,

:29:41. > :29:45.then we do need to start considering the mandatory side. Would you say

:29:46. > :29:48.it's working as it stands? The way it is now, currently, no. Under the

:29:49. > :29:52.Food Standards Agency, it was working, if you apply a significant

:29:53. > :29:56.amount of pressure and you monitor the industry with annual reviews and

:29:57. > :30:01.updates, it can work and that's the best way to do it if we all work

:30:02. > :30:06.collectively. But you think now it's the time for mandatory reducing? I

:30:07. > :30:09.would say so unless David Cameron within his obesity strategy plan

:30:10. > :30:13.whenever that comes out, in the summer I think, if they can include

:30:14. > :30:17.an independent agency that would be in charge of nutrition that isn't

:30:18. > :30:22.affected by the current Public Health Minister at the time, then

:30:23. > :30:25.that could help, but otherwise, mandatory would be, and many

:30:26. > :30:29.countries have already done that, South Africa is an example where

:30:30. > :30:33.they have set mandatory targets for their products and all countries

:30:34. > :30:38.have to follow. Would put a figure on what the targets should be?

:30:39. > :30:42.Currently we have voluntary targets for about 80 different categories of

:30:43. > :30:46.food, those could be the mandatory targets that people have to follow

:30:47. > :30:51.and if the companies don't meet the maximum or average levels, they

:30:52. > :30:52.should be fined. What would the food and drink industry have to fear from

:30:53. > :31:01.that? I think mandatory targets would be

:31:02. > :31:05.incredibly complicated to put in place. Given we have a system that

:31:06. > :31:10.is currently working, I don't ink there is a case. People would say it

:31:11. > :31:14.is not working and salt levels are increasing. We are waiting for a

:31:15. > :31:19.whole population information on sodium intake on the last day to

:31:20. > :31:26.have is for 2011, there is new data due soon, that will be a good

:31:27. > :31:30.indication. Today 's reporters a bit of a snapshot, the whole population

:31:31. > :31:34.data will help us to make a judgment. Our members are continuing

:31:35. > :31:41.to make progress to reduce salt. If that data showed the pig jurors...

:31:42. > :31:46.Figures were going wrong direction, would you be looking to make

:31:47. > :31:48.amendments? Yes, it is well-known that salt is something we need to

:31:49. > :31:58.consider. Thank you both very much. Coming up, the dramatic footage

:31:59. > :32:03.which shows the moment a homeless man is almost crushed to death by a

:32:04. > :32:07.bin lorry. One man who has been speaking rough for the past four

:32:08. > :32:09.years shows us why he resorted to sleeping rough in a bin.

:32:10. > :32:13.There were 400 accidental deaths in water in the UK last year -

:32:14. > :32:15.that's more than the number of fatalities in domestic fires

:32:16. > :32:19.Drowning is one of the leading causes of accidental death

:32:20. > :32:21.and for the first time today there is a concerted effort

:32:22. > :32:24.to tackle those numbers with a group of organisations and charities

:32:25. > :32:28.trying to make people more aware of the risks.

:32:29. > :32:31.Jackie Roberts' 20-year-old daughter Megan died in January 2014.

:32:32. > :32:38.She fell into the River Ouse in York after a night out with friends.

:32:39. > :32:47.She is here with me, thank you very much for joining us. Obviously a

:32:48. > :32:53.devastating tragedy for your family, tell us what happened to Megan? She

:32:54. > :32:59.was on a midweek student social night out. You know, large groups of

:33:00. > :33:06.them were out in York. At the end of the night, they left the club, Megan

:33:07. > :33:10.got sort of left behind a group of other young people. They were all

:33:11. > :33:15.quite drunk. She inadvertently followed one of the young men who

:33:16. > :33:20.turned right before the bridge, possibly to go for a week, and she

:33:21. > :33:25.followed him, not realising she was going the wrong way. He did not see

:33:26. > :33:32.her, and as he came back up she went under the bridge and fell in from

:33:33. > :33:37.some step into a very fast flowing, icy cold river. You say she had been

:33:38. > :33:42.drinking? Yes, they had all been drinking. Uni had not reopened, it

:33:43. > :33:48.was just after Christmas, she went back early. Where she was, how easy

:33:49. > :33:52.would it be for somebody to stumble and fall? Incredibly easy. That

:33:53. > :33:57.particular area was a bit of an accident waiting to happen, it was

:33:58. > :34:02.incredibly close to where they had been drinking, it shows how easily

:34:03. > :34:07.these things can happen. It is extraordinary to know that there are

:34:08. > :34:12.400 accidental deaths every year like Megan's. Was that something you

:34:13. > :34:17.were aware of? It is not a figure out there like other things like

:34:18. > :34:21.cycling deaths? There is not a spotlight? My children were all

:34:22. > :34:27.taught to swim, I assumed they knew the general risk. None of us would

:34:28. > :34:31.have ever realised what a risk open water was, like something like this

:34:32. > :34:37.could happen so quickly. What sort of changes do you want to be made as

:34:38. > :34:43.a result of Megan's death, and the other deaths happening in similar

:34:44. > :34:47.circumstances? There has been a significant amount of changes in

:34:48. > :34:53.York, for instance, where the university has done a lot of work.

:34:54. > :34:56.There are organisations like the Royal Life Saving Society, who I do

:34:57. > :35:02.some work with as well, with awareness raising campaign

:35:03. > :35:06.increasing education and old people's behaviour. There is the

:35:07. > :35:11.other side of things, councils can do a little bit more to maybe put

:35:12. > :35:16.barriers and strategic points -- increasing education to alter

:35:17. > :35:22.people's behaviour. When you say alter people's behaviour, does that

:35:23. > :35:27.go back to the drinking? You said Megan had been drinking? That is

:35:28. > :35:31.quite a significant part. A huge percentage of drownings are people

:35:32. > :35:35.with alcohol in their bloodstream. The tendency is for it to be young

:35:36. > :35:41.men who go off, maybe on their own, leave their friends, it is more

:35:42. > :35:48.likely to be young men ending up in that situation, but unfortunately

:35:49. > :35:54.Megan... It was a tragic, freak accident, what happened to her. Tell

:35:55. > :36:00.us more about her? Yeah, she was lovely. She was in her second year

:36:01. > :36:04.of a final degree at uni, a very creative and bright young lady. She

:36:05. > :36:07.had made lovely friends at uni who are now my friends, which is really

:36:08. > :36:12.nice. She was always considered to be somebody that you could talk to

:36:13. > :36:17.and she would understand and be able to help people, that's kind of

:36:18. > :36:24.character, she was lovely. You said she could swim, but the dangers of

:36:25. > :36:29.water was not something that was ever on your radar or hers? She was

:36:30. > :36:35.probably the best swimmer in the family, and excellent swimmer. You

:36:36. > :36:40.just don't consider it, open water is very, very dangerous. Harold

:36:41. > :36:45.Murch has talking about what happened to Megan and trying to make

:36:46. > :36:51.sure that other people are aware of the dangers helping you through the

:36:52. > :36:55.grieving process? -- how much has talking? It has been helping me, it

:36:56. > :36:59.is quite common with parents, particularly when they become

:37:00. > :37:03.bereaved very, very quickly, to try to do something in their honour and

:37:04. > :37:09.transform the loss into a legacy. In Megan's case, this is hopefully

:37:10. > :37:16.prevent it happening this and stop it is trying to make a positive out

:37:17. > :37:18.of Megan 's loss. You look at things like level crossings, safety has

:37:19. > :37:27.improved dramatically records of being a focus, would you like to see

:37:28. > :37:31.more safety barriers along rivers? Yes. Personally, if it will make a

:37:32. > :37:38.difference, I would definitely like to see more. But I think it is a

:37:39. > :37:42.combination of education and putting the barriers and things in place,

:37:43. > :37:45.improving lighting, that's kind of thing. Thank you for talking to us,

:37:46. > :37:50.Jackie. Every day this week we are showing a

:37:51. > :37:54.series of films which tried to give an insight into what life is like in

:37:55. > :38:01.the capital of the so-called Islamic State, Raqqa, in eastern Syria. It

:38:02. > :38:07.is based on a diary of an activist. Yesterday he took this back to when

:38:08. > :38:10.IS first arrived in his city, he was arrested and told he would face 40

:38:11. > :38:14.lashes. Today he tells us what happened next. To protect his

:38:15. > :38:35.identity, his words are spoken to him.

:38:36. > :38:40.When I arrived at my front door, I collapsed. After hearing what had

:38:41. > :38:45.happened to me, my pregnant sister had gone into shock and began

:38:46. > :38:49.bleeding heavily. We knew we had to get it to a gynaecologist as quickly

:38:50. > :38:53.as possible, but when we arrived at the clinic we found that it was

:38:54. > :38:55.closed. The man outside told me, the doctor has been my neighbour for

:38:56. > :39:01.years but Daesh arrested him and shut down his clinic. They forbid

:39:02. > :39:05.male doctors from treating female patients. We had to trouble to find

:39:06. > :39:10.a female gynaecologist. My sister was told to go home and rest.

:39:11. > :39:15.Later in the day I bumped into an old friend. Looking nervous, he

:39:16. > :39:19.pulled me aside. We formed a secret campaign group against Daesh, he

:39:20. > :39:23.whispered, we want the whole world to know what these murderers are

:39:24. > :39:28.doing to our city. You can play a part. I met my friend, who runs a

:39:29. > :39:32.shop, on the way home. He pointed to a score -- store across the road is

:39:33. > :39:39.owned by a man we had known for many years. A group of Daesh men were

:39:40. > :39:43.speaking to him, one of them held papers in his hand. Hey, who owns

:39:44. > :39:49.the shop? My friend replied, it is mine, how can I help? This is

:39:50. > :39:56.supposed to be eight gritty that the poor, but acts as a kind of tax for

:39:57. > :40:00.Daesh. He said he was from that group and was collecting tax. My

:40:01. > :40:06.friend said he had paid what he was due. Shut up, the Daesh man shouted

:40:07. > :40:11.back. You must pay as 100,000 Syrian pounds. My friends gasped, that is

:40:12. > :40:18.too much, but he paid. The severed heads of others are hung on Park

:40:19. > :40:23.fences as a brutal warning. Our home was rocked by explosions last night.

:40:24. > :40:25.I switched on television to hear the news that the international

:40:26. > :40:31.coalition was launching its first air strikes against Daesh. The next

:40:32. > :40:36.day, a local cab driver told me that many of Daesh's buildings had been

:40:37. > :40:41.hits. He warned me, police are roaming the streets in big numbers

:40:42. > :40:45.looking for spies. A crowd had gathered around a deep Hull.

:40:46. > :40:50.Crouched inside it was a woman. I asked to she was and what she was

:40:51. > :40:55.doing. Before I got an answer, a large masks man began wailing. This

:40:56. > :40:59.woman was an adulterous and her punishment is to be stoned to death.

:41:00. > :41:05.His words were interrupted by the noise of warplanes. A local vendor

:41:06. > :41:08.shouted, Hyde, hide! There were big explosions and body parts

:41:09. > :41:12.everywhere. Roasted them belong to civilians. It was a Russian air

:41:13. > :41:17.strike on a supposedly targeting terrorists. Isn't the terrorism we

:41:18. > :41:21.suffered on the ground enough? Now you bring it from the skies as well?

:41:22. > :41:26.That film was produced you bring it from the skies as well?

:41:27. > :41:31.and animator for the today programme on Radio 4. Tomorrow we will have

:41:32. > :41:33.the next day re-entry. We often see your lovely pictures

:41:34. > :41:50.sent in Absolutely right. It is called a

:41:51. > :41:54.geolocator, it means you can send in pictures from anywhere. The Weather

:41:55. > :41:57.Watchers' pictures are brilliant, we use them in lots of television

:41:58. > :42:02.broadcasts. They show the weather where you are, like this one in

:42:03. > :42:07.Swindon yesterday, really cold and frosty. But it was not just cold and

:42:08. > :42:12.frosty in Swindon, this is from Suffolk, it also shows the sunshine.

:42:13. > :42:18.And another one from Bournemouth beach, a beautiful shot. If you

:42:19. > :42:23.compare yesterday's crisp, cold, sunny and wintry weather to today,

:42:24. > :42:27.it is another good tool that we use these pictures for, it has been a

:42:28. > :42:32.wet start in Durham this morning, as in Manchester. All sent in by

:42:33. > :42:37.Weather Watchers. In London this morning we saw some rain, this was

:42:38. > :42:43.sent in from roars from the weather centre. If we look at the Weather

:42:44. > :42:48.Watchers' tools and how they have been dated, you would change your

:42:49. > :42:53.name and put in Joanna Gosling, you might want to create that report for

:42:54. > :42:58.the empty box in the corner. That is where you would put in your picture.

:42:59. > :43:02.Before you could just send it from one location, maybe your home

:43:03. > :43:10.address or a picture from your work, you might have a lovely view. Now if

:43:11. > :43:15.you press the icon in the corner, it will choose exactly where you are

:43:16. > :43:19.from. You may have London, for example, you can put in your

:43:20. > :43:26.picture. The temperature, whatever you want. I imagine that is exactly

:43:27. > :43:31.what you do as soon as you get into the studio. I was just thinking

:43:32. > :43:37.that! If you're wondering how you do it, you can do it by going online.

:43:38. > :43:43.If you are not online, go to your local library, they can help you.

:43:44. > :43:51.I love seeing the pictures, I am not sure that I will do it.

:43:52. > :43:55.Thanks, Joanna We have seen a snippet of what the weather is like

:43:56. > :44:00.a the rain is moving south-east with it to see this weather front. If you

:44:01. > :44:05.look at the squeeze on the ice baths, it is not just wet, it is

:44:06. > :44:08.windy. The rain and the wind will continue to push towards the south

:44:09. > :44:14.and east, clearing East Anglia and can plaster wall. Behind it, there

:44:15. > :44:17.will be lots of cloud around. Some sunshine, especially in the shelter

:44:18. > :44:23.of the hills, but all of the showers coming in, some of them merging, to

:44:24. > :44:27.give longer spells of rain. Some will be wintry with height. That is

:44:28. > :44:33.the scenario across Northern Ireland and Scotland. You could see sleet at

:44:34. > :44:38.lower levels in Scotland. In the east, there will be brighter breaks,

:44:39. > :44:41.even a bit of sunshine. The northern England, very similar, it will be

:44:42. > :44:46.fairly cloudy with brighter breaks, a bit of sunshine and the same for

:44:47. > :44:51.the Midlands into East Anglia, Essex and Kent, left with quite a lot of

:44:52. > :44:57.cloud. Drifting across southern counties, lots of cloud with a few

:44:58. > :45:00.brighter breaks. For Wales, you guessed it, similar again, lots of

:45:01. > :45:05.cloud, brighter breaks. In the shelter of the hills we will cease

:45:06. > :45:09.in China and showers. Mild conditions, particularly across the

:45:10. > :45:14.South, as this front comes in it will turn much colder, as you can

:45:15. > :45:19.see. Through the evening and overnight, the front is producing

:45:20. > :45:23.the rain and shallots, it moves steadily southwards. It will be

:45:24. > :45:27.colder than the night just gone. Across Scotland, northern England

:45:28. > :45:32.and Northern Ireland, some whingeing is in the weather. We could see

:45:33. > :45:36.sleet and snow. Further south, we are more likely to see the snow with

:45:37. > :45:40.height, more likely to be sleet or rain at low levels. Tomorrow is

:45:41. > :45:46.fairly unsettled, we have a combination of rain, sleet and snow,

:45:47. > :45:48.maybe some hail as well. Still quite windy, brightness in between, but

:45:49. > :46:00.feeling cold. Welcome to the programme. Coming up

:46:01. > :46:04.before 11. A sharp rise in the number of homeless people sleeping

:46:05. > :46:08.in recycling bins, says one waste company. And this dramatic footage

:46:09. > :46:12.showing the moment a homeless man is nearly crushed to death by a bin

:46:13. > :46:17.lorry. So you can see the driver as he

:46:18. > :46:20.starts to lift the container, then it disappears from the view from the

:46:21. > :46:25.front camera over the top of the cab. The other cameras, he's looking

:46:26. > :46:30.into the hopper. As you can see, despite doing all the checks, there

:46:31. > :46:35.was still someone in this container. We'll speak to Richard, who is

:46:36. > :46:38.homeless, and who has slept in bins. Also on the programme, clashes

:46:39. > :46:42.between police and migrants overnight in Calais. We'll be live

:46:43. > :46:50.in the so-called Jungle camp, as French riot police move in to make

:46:51. > :46:54.way for demolition workers. And, Justin Bieber drops in on the NHS

:46:55. > :46:57.choir who beat him to the number one spot over Christmas. He has a

:46:58. > :46:59.message for them. Keep making smashers. We'll speak to one member

:47:00. > :47:05.of the choir who met him. Clash An operation has resumed to demolish

:47:06. > :47:10.makeshift shelters at the so-called Bulldozers have moved

:47:11. > :47:14.in to the camp, and riot police Last night there were clashes

:47:15. > :47:20.between police and migrants One of the largest rubbish

:47:21. > :47:26.collection companies has told this programme it's now finding three

:47:27. > :47:29.people a week sleeping Hundreds of homeless people could be

:47:30. > :47:33.putting themselves at risk of serious injury or death

:47:34. > :47:38.by sleeping in large recycling bins. Scientists say they have

:47:39. > :47:42.evidence for the first time that the mosquito-borne Zika virus

:47:43. > :47:45.sweeping Latin America can cause a severe neurological disorder

:47:46. > :47:52.which can paralyse and kill. Barclays Bank has announced a fall

:47:53. > :47:56.in profits and a big shake-up in the company, which will see it

:47:57. > :47:59.selling much of its business in Full-year profits, before tax,

:48:00. > :48:04.dropped 2% to ?5.4 pounds. Dozens of people called police

:48:05. > :48:13.in Scotland last night after a bright light

:48:14. > :48:15.from a suspected meteor shower lit Residents reported seeing

:48:16. > :48:20.a "fireball" in the sky and hearing violent bang just before

:48:21. > :48:23.7 o'clock last night. Let's catch up with all the sport

:48:24. > :48:26.now and join Chris Mitchell, and we're talking about the race

:48:27. > :48:34.for the Premier League title. Spooky stuff in the Premier League

:48:35. > :48:38.too. 11 games to go and Leicester could go five points clear tonight

:48:39. > :48:41.if they beat West Brom but don't be fooled into thinking they are the

:48:42. > :48:45.favourites for the title. They are, but the Leicester boss says, you

:48:46. > :48:49.need to be looking at Tottenham if you want the leading title

:48:50. > :48:54.contenders. I think Tottenham and Arsenal are very favourite. Even

:48:55. > :48:59.though Arsenal lost? Yes, of course. They have the players who can do

:49:00. > :49:03.everything. They can start and win every match. We know we can win, we

:49:04. > :49:08.can lose, we can draw. It's not important the rest of the other

:49:09. > :49:12.teams what they do. It's important how we play, how we fight on the

:49:13. > :49:17.pitch. That's important.

:49:18. > :49:20.Perhaps next season we might be talking about Brighton as potential

:49:21. > :49:24.Premier League title contenders, they move to within a point of the

:49:25. > :49:29.automatic promotion places in the Championship last night after they

:49:30. > :49:34.beat Leeds 4-0. Leeds were awful. All four goals for Brighton coming

:49:35. > :49:39.in the first half. Rio is on the horizon for sure, but

:49:40. > :49:41.there are only five hundred days to go until the 2017 World

:49:42. > :49:47.Championships in London at the Olympic Park. The sprint star Asher

:49:48. > :49:51.Phillip hopes to be there, so too Richard Whitehead who still has the

:49:52. > :49:57.great memories of winning there in 2012.

:49:58. > :50:00.Just the noise was immense and when the athletes were announced in the

:50:01. > :50:06.stadium, you just couldn't hear the actual names because it was so loud

:50:07. > :50:11.and there was so many Union Jacks. I had to compose myself. Obviously, I

:50:12. > :50:16.realised this was my one moment to shine in my whole career. Flashbacks

:50:17. > :50:20.of how tough it had been training up to that point, all the obstacles

:50:21. > :50:24.I've had the overcome to get on the track and get to the start line and

:50:25. > :50:27.then blow the field away like I did in the 200 metres, that was

:50:28. > :50:30.something that in my head I'd gone through thousands and thousands of

:50:31. > :50:35.times, but to be able to deliver that on that day was very special

:50:36. > :50:42.for myself, family and friends that were in the crowd as well. You won

:50:43. > :50:46.on the same track as able-bodied. How important is it that in 2017

:50:47. > :50:49.they are going to be within the same meeting, if you like, Paralympic

:50:50. > :50:54.sport first then the able-bodied next. How much of a step forward is

:50:55. > :50:58.that do you think? It's amazing they are putting the Championships close

:50:59. > :51:03.together as it would be in Olympics because usually they separate them

:51:04. > :51:07.and it goes in a wave of emotions for the crowd and, as much as

:51:08. > :51:10.spectators, but the fact that it's going to be together, it will be

:51:11. > :51:14.good for the sport. Everyone is going to be concentrated on

:51:15. > :51:18.athletics this time. Usually it's spread out between different sports.

:51:19. > :51:21.This one is going to shine a lot on athletics. The stadium is a

:51:22. > :51:25.brilliant cauldron of opportunity for people to be involved, whether

:51:26. > :51:28.you are a volunteer, spectator or athlete. I think it's really

:51:29. > :51:32.important for the footprint of British sport to be part of

:51:33. > :51:37.something that's the biggest opportunity for London since the

:51:38. > :51:40.games. More from Richard and Asher

:51:41. > :51:43.throughout the day and I'm back in half an hour.

:51:44. > :51:47.Hello, thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme

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:52:02. > :52:18.via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria.

:52:19. > :52:21.Hundreds of homeless people could be putting themselves at risk

:52:22. > :52:24.of serious injury or death by sleeping in large recycling bins.

:52:25. > :52:26.One of the largest rubbish collection companies,

:52:27. > :52:30.Biffa, has told this programme it is now finding three people

:52:31. > :52:35.The number has risen five fold in two years.

:52:36. > :52:38.And in the last five years the bodies of at least 11 people

:52:39. > :52:47.have been found in recycling depots after being crushed in refuse

:52:48. > :52:50.The rise is being put down to an increase in the number

:52:51. > :52:54.of rough sleepers and partly because shops are recycling more dry

:52:55. > :52:57.waste like cardboard and plastic - making the bins more attractive

:52:58. > :53:09.Lee says, I'm watching and feeling angry. Why are so many people on the

:53:10. > :53:15.streets? Patricia says, why are the bins not locked by the shops. Ian

:53:16. > :53:25.tweeted to say, it says a lot about our society that people has to sleep

:53:26. > :53:31.in containers. Another texter said he saw a homeless man and a woman

:53:32. > :53:36.said to him he shouldn't be there and was worth lest. He said he gets

:53:37. > :53:40.that all the time and got set on fire in his sleeping bag one. What

:53:41. > :53:45.is wrong with us, we are an ill species.

:53:46. > :53:54.Here's a short recap of our reporter Jim Reed's film we played

:53:55. > :54:08.This footage taken in shows how dangerous it can be. He

:54:09. > :54:12.was very, very lucky. We managed to get him out. If you are not seen,

:54:13. > :54:17.the driver compacts the waste and that's the worrying thing about

:54:18. > :54:19.this. No matter how well we check our containers, there's absolutely

:54:20. > :54:26.no guarantee that we are going to find everybody. In 2014, the body of

:54:27. > :54:29.math rue Simons was discovered at a recycling plant in Bristol after

:54:30. > :54:32.he'd been turned away from a homeless hostel. There have been ten

:54:33. > :54:34.other similar deaths recorded in the last five years.

:54:35. > :54:37.other similar deaths recorded in the Biffa is one of a number of waste

:54:38. > :54:43.management companies that operates across the UK. In the year to the

:54:44. > :54:47.end of March 20 #14rks they found 31 people in bins across their entire

:54:48. > :54:51.fleet. A year later, that had increased to 93 and in the current

:54:52. > :54:54.financial year that doesn't finish until the end of March, they've

:54:55. > :54:59.already found more than 150. It comes at a time when the number

:55:00. > :55:01.sleeping rough is rising sharply, the emergency hostel in Bristol is

:55:02. > :55:10.full every night. George says he's been homeless since

:55:11. > :55:34.he lost his job before Christmas. Drives now he can for rough sleepers

:55:35. > :55:39.as part of the regular morning routine.

:55:40. > :55:45.All these bins do have locks to stop people getting inside and maybe

:55:46. > :55:49.injured. Companies can be fined or taken to court if they are not used.

:55:50. > :55:52.Around half the bins we areth we found around the back of this

:55:53. > :56:03.shopping centre were left completely open. Climb in there, put this lid

:56:04. > :56:06.up, they'd be dry and warm. These shelters are all full now and

:56:07. > :56:09.they've just got nowhere to go so this is where they are heading. The

:56:10. > :56:12.Government says no-one should have to sleep rough and it's increasing

:56:13. > :56:16.funding to tackle homelessness. We can speak now to Richard,

:56:17. > :56:18.who's been sleeping rough for the last four years -

:56:19. > :56:22.he doesn't want us to use his full name, Andrew Faris, a former

:56:23. > :56:26.homeless person who now runs a soup kitchen for the homeless

:56:27. > :56:29.and Dr Toni Gladding, from The Chartered Institution

:56:30. > :56:32.of Wastes Management, which represents waste

:56:33. > :56:40.management companies. Talk all for coming in. Richard,

:56:41. > :56:49.first of all, you sleep in bins, don't you? I do. I just look for

:56:50. > :56:55.office recycling so if they have excess paper or cardboard which they

:56:56. > :57:03.have used, I just use that as like a mattress so I'm sleeping sound

:57:04. > :57:08.rather than sleeping on the concrete which is grimy, dirty and just

:57:09. > :57:20.stinks basically. I'm trying my best to look for a bed

:57:21. > :57:31.and just seem to be like... I'm not going to give up. I'm going to tray

:57:32. > :57:37.to succeed and hopefully one day in the near future... How long have you

:57:38. > :57:44.been homeless? Coming up to four years now. What happened? Why did

:57:45. > :57:48.you end up homeless? I got attacked in October 2010 and that person who

:57:49. > :57:56.attacked me left me with brain damage for life. So it was like

:57:57. > :58:04.thank you and yes, it was... There were times I was in hospital, I just

:58:05. > :58:07.wanted to kill myself but I thought of my family, my friends and they've

:58:08. > :58:18.pulled me through. Sorry, I'm filling up. They mean the

:58:19. > :58:24.world to me and I just want to say thank you all so much for supporting

:58:25. > :58:27.me. I've been in pain but thank you so much.

:58:28. > :58:31.Richard, you've got a tough life though to the extent that you are

:58:32. > :58:39.sleeping in bins and we were just seeing in our report how dangerous

:58:40. > :58:44.that can be. Do you feel on a daily basis that there are great risks for

:58:45. > :58:52.you out there? There are. It's like with the lorries coming to pick up

:58:53. > :58:59.the bins to take to the scrapyard, to deposit. When that thing comes

:59:00. > :59:03.down, the cutter or whatever it is, the cutter, you know. Let's talk to

:59:04. > :59:09.Andrew. You know Andrew don't you from the soup kitchen? I do, yes.

:59:10. > :59:13.Andrew, you see people like Richard. Are there many you are coming across

:59:14. > :59:18.who're finding bins are better options than sleeping on the

:59:19. > :59:23.streets? We find that some of the guys who attend the day centre, more

:59:24. > :59:27.than anything just than a soup kitchen, we welcome them in, we sit

:59:28. > :59:32.down with them, we ask them what problems they have, the majority

:59:33. > :59:38.have housing problems and we find it's on the increase now because in

:59:39. > :59:42.East London where we have a community care, in Central London

:59:43. > :59:47.the people we meet near cam Ben, Leicester Square, the majority are

:59:48. > :59:53.choosing to find a clean bin to sleep in because they are more

:59:54. > :59:56.protective, if you like, they are a shell around them, nobody can kick

:59:57. > :00:01.them around. Sometimes the police don't even see them which is a good

:00:02. > :00:05.thing in one way because they could get woken up and moved own. It's

:00:06. > :00:09.about protection from other people then? Yes and having that little

:00:10. > :00:14.territory. Believe it or not, some of them are getting possessive now,

:00:15. > :00:18."this is my bin". I feel shocked in this day and age in 2016 we are

:00:19. > :00:25.talking about people sleeping in bins. I don't know what the general

:00:26. > :00:29.public's view is when they see somebody sleeping in a bin. We go

:00:30. > :00:33.past them every day. Is that the point though, they are hidden from

:00:34. > :00:37.people, they are not aware? People I think are quite aware in the

:00:38. > :00:43.mornings when the guys have been woken up by the bin lorries and the

:00:44. > :00:48.police and council. Yesterday a whole lot of police and council

:00:49. > :00:52.workers went around Leicester Square and Covent Garden and Camden borough

:00:53. > :00:55.and Westminster, that side of it, went round and moved them on, so you

:00:56. > :01:00.don't see them yesterday, you didn't see many yesterday. We may start

:01:01. > :01:04.serving food on the streets, we did that yesterday, but we didn't see so

:01:05. > :01:07.many because they got moved on. That is the policy the councils adopt. I

:01:08. > :01:13.think it's very kiss appointing. It's shocking.

:01:14. > :01:22.The bin companies, we saw in and to reports, a shocking instance where

:01:23. > :01:26.it was only a camera that picked up on the fact that somebody was in a

:01:27. > :01:32.bin. Are they always checking as carefully as can be done? I think it

:01:33. > :01:37.is now a well-known problem. Most companies will have a procedure in

:01:38. > :01:41.place, they will look in the bins, knock on the bins, it is in a risk

:01:42. > :01:46.assessment, but unfortunately incident still happen. It happened

:01:47. > :01:50.several hundred times the year, actually, that people are in bins.

:01:51. > :01:54.Normally they jump out when the truck arrives, but not always,

:01:55. > :01:59.sometimes they get tipped, sometimes they entered in the heartland,

:02:00. > :02:08.tragically, sometimes they die. -- sometimes they end up in the hopper.

:02:09. > :02:14.We quoted figures from Biffa, in 11 bodies ending up in recycling depots

:02:15. > :02:19.after being crushed. But the figures could be higher? Yes, it is simply

:02:20. > :02:24.because they are recorded in different places. Sorry, they are

:02:25. > :02:29.environmental service agency figures. Figures are recorded in

:02:30. > :02:35.different places. Anecdotally, it could be between four and six people

:02:36. > :02:38.a year that died from being tipped from bins. They only get into the

:02:39. > :02:42.official figures if they end up at the recycling centres. If they are

:02:43. > :02:47.discovered prior to that, they may not end up in figures. They are

:02:48. > :02:50.reported somewhere but it is difficult to know the exact number

:02:51. > :02:58.because they are reported in various places. Why aren't they just locked?

:02:59. > :03:02.Bins are normally supplied with a lock, it is the customer that has to

:03:03. > :03:07.ensure that the bin is locked. If they are using it several times a

:03:08. > :03:11.day, it is probably a little inconvenient. The onus is on the

:03:12. > :03:18.customer, really, to ensure that access is not easy. It is one of

:03:19. > :03:23.those things that the waste industry is at the back-end of a problem that

:03:24. > :03:27.they are trying to cope with. Should the companies be forced to lock

:03:28. > :03:32.them, when people are dying because they can get into unlocked bins,

:03:33. > :03:36.should there not be enforcement? The group sometimes people are found in

:03:37. > :03:41.bins even if they are locked, they break and because it is a warm, dry

:03:42. > :03:46.place. But often they are left unlocked. When a bin is sited in a

:03:47. > :03:52.retail place, lots of people might be using it. They can fall between

:03:53. > :03:57.one person and another, it is not ideal, they should be locking them.

:03:58. > :04:01.Richard, Andrew was saying that people getting the bins to hide from

:04:02. > :04:08.other people as much as anything, is that one of the reasons you do it?

:04:09. > :04:15.No. How do you get treated on the streets by people who see you? I get

:04:16. > :04:19.a lot of abuse. Oh, what are you looking at? Look at the state of

:04:20. > :04:24.view. I am right, sorry, I got attacked almost six years ago now,

:04:25. > :04:31.sorry I have brain damage forever, but I am doing the best that I can

:04:32. > :04:36.to live my life as happy as I can. Like I say, it is people like Andrew

:04:37. > :04:41.who wake me up in the morning, that is why I get up, so I can spend time

:04:42. > :04:50.with my family, my is why I get up, so I can spend time

:04:51. > :04:59.a typical day for you? Usually wake up... Whereabouts? Would that be on

:05:00. > :05:02.the streets, or in a shelter? Most of the time, 80, 80 5% is waking up

:05:03. > :05:13.in the lovely cold, of the time, 80, 80 5% is waking up

:05:14. > :05:15.if I am in a bin. There might be the odd state where

:05:16. > :05:21.if I am in a bin. There might be the see my mum at the shop and she would

:05:22. > :05:25.say, oh, would you like to see my mum at the shop and she would

:05:26. > :05:31.round tonight? She said she would love to, like, put me up but, sadly,

:05:32. > :05:37.she can't, she only has a two bedroom flat and it is quite tiny. I

:05:38. > :05:41.say, it's all right, mum, I will just live on the roof.

:05:42. > :05:43.say, it's all right, mum, I will morning! It is fine, I don't want to

:05:44. > :05:45.come around and invade morning! It is fine, I don't want to

:05:46. > :05:54.area. That would be quite morning! It is fine, I don't want to

:05:55. > :05:58.well. One person has tweeted to say, I wish Richard all the best in the

:05:59. > :06:01.world, what a brave man. Another person has said

:06:02. > :06:03.world, what a brave man. Another see the homeless,

:06:04. > :06:06.world, what a brave man. Another issues. This is shockingly

:06:07. > :06:10.world, what a brave man. Another are to blame, the Government needs

:06:11. > :06:14.to do more. Leanne, and extremely moving item, more needs to be done

:06:15. > :06:16.to help the homeless. Another Tweet, it is a national disgrace that we

:06:17. > :06:20.should be involved it is a national disgrace that we

:06:21. > :06:24.missions all over the world when our own people are homeless. Is this a

:06:25. > :06:32.bit of a wake-up call, Andrew, talking about people sleeping in

:06:33. > :06:37.bins? I like the idea 's and dimension of the Government cuts,

:06:38. > :06:42.they just cut them again, to the local communities and councils. -- I

:06:43. > :06:46.like the idea somebody mentioned. Charities do not benefit, we do not

:06:47. > :06:54.get anything from any council, we do it as a donation. Our charity, we

:06:55. > :06:57.have no except -- no expenses, no volunteers are paid anything, we do

:06:58. > :07:02.it because we feel there is a need for someone like Richard to come in

:07:03. > :07:06.and be helped, accommodation. We have asked the council 's time and

:07:07. > :07:14.time again, they need to rethink how they will be help -- help with the

:07:15. > :07:19.homeless projects. Every year we get increases in numbers. 3569 people

:07:20. > :07:27.slept rough last year on the streets. Nearly 4000 people sleeping

:07:28. > :07:31.rough on the streets. A lot of them are in central London, London in

:07:32. > :07:37.particular, Westminster, Camden borough have a lot of homeless

:07:38. > :07:42.people. It is a wake-up call. We would like the Government to come

:07:43. > :07:47.forward, contacts and body like our charity, the homeless charities,

:07:48. > :07:54.maybe have some kind of formula to solve these problems. We know we can

:07:55. > :07:58.only do so much. We have no money to get accommodation for Richard. We

:07:59. > :08:02.can only give him advice and clothing, food, hopefully a bit of

:08:03. > :08:09.warmth from the time he comes in during the day. We play music, he

:08:10. > :08:16.does drumming, you like drumming, don't you? To me, someone like

:08:17. > :08:21.Richard coming in, to have a bit of time at the space we have, it is

:08:22. > :08:25.like a community cafe. Come into your little home for a few hours,

:08:26. > :08:30.enjoy the time that we have. We do not have the facilities otherwise.

:08:31. > :08:33.You know something, we may be leaving our own space in Hackney and

:08:34. > :08:39.in Camden Town echoes both have been redeveloped. We may not have a home

:08:40. > :08:44.ourselves. We will appeal to people out there, if you have a building to

:08:45. > :08:51.give to charity, please contact us. Maybe you guys can pass it onto us.

:08:52. > :08:56.We are desperate the moment, in May, we have no home. We think we can

:08:57. > :09:01.help a lot more people, homeless friends like Richard coming to us,

:09:02. > :09:06.many more people can be helped. We only have limited resources. Andrew,

:09:07. > :09:09.Toni, Richard, thank you all. Thank you for your comments.

:09:10. > :09:12.We did want to speak to the Government about the number

:09:13. > :09:14.of homeless people sleeping in bins but no-one was available.

:09:15. > :09:16.In a statement, Homelessness Minister Marcus Jones told us.

:09:17. > :09:19.No one should ever have to sleep rough, which is why we have

:09:20. > :09:39.increased central funding to tackle homelessness over the next four

:09:40. > :09:47.Still to come, Justin Bieber drops in on the NHS choir, who beat into

:09:48. > :09:49.the top spot the Christmas charts. We will meet one member of the

:09:50. > :09:50.choir, who was there. Demolition teams have moved back

:09:51. > :09:52.into the migrant camp - known as the Jungle -

:09:53. > :09:55.in Calais, to continue dismantling Yesterday violence broke out as some

:09:56. > :10:01.of the workers were pelted with stones and overnight

:10:02. > :10:03.there were running battles Lorries making their way

:10:04. > :10:07.to the port were also attacked. This morning riot police marched

:10:08. > :10:10.into the camp as bulldozers moved The French authorities want people

:10:11. > :10:15.to move to shipping We can talk now to Joe Murphy

:10:16. > :10:26.who is one of the founders of Good Chance Calais,

:10:27. > :10:34.which is a theatre set up Tell us what is happening where you

:10:35. > :10:40.are, what you can see? It is a very distressing scene today, again.

:10:41. > :10:43.There are hundreds of police around, bulldozers which were promised by

:10:44. > :10:49.the French Government not to be used. Groups of people standing

:10:50. > :10:56.around fires, it is really windy today, it is not a day to lose a

:10:57. > :11:02.home. It is a very distressing scene.

:11:03. > :11:10.They are obviously trying to raise morale, what are you doing? We have

:11:11. > :11:16.found that as times get more difficult, it becomes more popular

:11:17. > :11:23.and there are people who treat it as a sanctuary, they come to create

:11:24. > :11:28.theatre, to paint, to escape, basically, from this terrible

:11:29. > :11:32.situation which, you know, is a situation that nobody wants. It is

:11:33. > :11:38.clear that the French government don't want it, the refugees don't

:11:39. > :11:52.want it, and all the refugees. It is bad news. What is the mood? I think

:11:53. > :11:57.people are incredibly anxious about moving their homes, whatever we

:11:58. > :12:07.think about this place that we call the Jungle, it provides some shelter

:12:08. > :12:09.for all fleeing persecution. These are people who are the victims of

:12:10. > :12:16.the news reports we have been watching about they should, all

:12:17. > :12:20.around the world. -- about station. They are searching for century. We

:12:21. > :12:26.have been unable to provide for them at the moment. -- they are searching

:12:27. > :12:32.for sanctuary. It is a very troubling reality. Also as well as

:12:33. > :12:37.in Calais, there are reports of trouble is that the Macedonian

:12:38. > :12:41.border. It is happening all across Europe, it is a real problem. We

:12:42. > :12:46.need to figure out how to deal with these people who are suffering so

:12:47. > :12:50.much. The French authorities say there are alternatives, they have

:12:51. > :12:53.the shipping containers and there are alternatives elsewhere in France

:12:54. > :12:59.where they could go to be looked after? Of course. There is a

:13:00. > :13:04.statistical problem going on, which I think will be very helpful to

:13:05. > :13:09.clear up. There are 3500 people living in the southern section of

:13:10. > :13:18.the Jungle, the area to be demolished. 300 or 400 places left

:13:19. > :13:21.in the containers. In terms of the spaces around the rest of France,

:13:22. > :13:26.there are not adequate numbers to move these people around. At the

:13:27. > :13:34.moment, it is the job of the French Government to increase the possible

:13:35. > :13:41.alternative accommodation for these people. Our particular interest, one

:13:42. > :13:47.of the things we have been trying to make noise about, is children. There

:13:48. > :13:51.are two injured 91 unaccompanied children, children at the age of ten

:13:52. > :13:57.years old who have nobody. They have no mother or father here, no family

:13:58. > :14:07.whatsoever. They are suffering in winter in this shantytown. It is a

:14:08. > :14:16.disgrace. There is legislation for those children who have families in

:14:17. > :14:22.the UK. That is their legal rights. There must be an expedited process

:14:23. > :14:27.that allows them to obtain that legal right and offer them the

:14:28. > :14:31.safety that those children, certainly, deserve. I think we can

:14:32. > :14:32.all agree on that. Joe Murphy, thank you very much.

:14:33. > :14:43.An operation has resumed to demolish makeshift shelters that the

:14:44. > :14:48.so-called Jungle migrants Cabinet Calais. Bulldozers have moved in at

:14:49. > :14:55.riot police are on stand-by. There were clashes last night between

:14:56. > :14:59.police and migrants resisting. One of the largest refuse collection

:15:00. > :15:02.companies, Fed, says it is finding many homeless people sleeping in its

:15:03. > :15:06.containers. Hundreds of homeless people could be putting themselves

:15:07. > :15:09.at risk of injury or death by sleeping a large recycling bins.

:15:10. > :15:13.Scientists say they have evidence for the first time that the mosquito

:15:14. > :15:17.borne Zika virus sweeping Latin America could also trigger a severe

:15:18. > :15:20.neurological disorder called Guilon Barre syndrome, that can lead to

:15:21. > :15:24.paralysis. Barclays has announced plans to wind

:15:25. > :15:30.down its operations in Africa after more than a century. Reporting a 2%

:15:31. > :15:34.fall in full-year pre-tax profit, the bank unveiled plans to simplify

:15:35. > :15:38.its UK and international operations. And a suspected meteor shower later

:15:39. > :15:43.much of the early evening sky across Scotland last night. Any people

:15:44. > :15:45.reported seeing a fireball in the sky and hearing violent bangs just

:15:46. > :15:58.before 7pm. Here is the sport with Chris.

:15:59. > :16:05.Maybe Claudio Ranieri is starting to feel the pressure with the mind

:16:06. > :16:09.games he's playing. Ranieri, he says his side are still

:16:10. > :16:13.not favourites to win the title! He says Tottenham who're two points

:16:14. > :16:16.behind in second are the leading contenders. Good fun all that.

:16:17. > :16:21.Arsenal though not having good fun there. The England winger Alex

:16:22. > :16:25.Oxlade-Chamberlain will be out for up to eight weeks. He got the knee

:16:26. > :16:29.injury in that Champions League defeat to Barcelona. Big blow for

:16:30. > :16:34.England and Arsenal. With just 500 days to go until the 2017 world

:16:35. > :16:40.athletics Championships in London, Asher Phillip and the Paralympic

:16:41. > :16:44.champion Richard Whitehead, said this could be a special time for

:16:45. > :16:47.London and athletics. It will be amazing that able-bodied and

:16:48. > :16:48.Paralympic events will be held so close together and not separated.

:16:49. > :16:58.That's it for now. The Prime Minister David Cameron's

:16:59. > :17:03.warned his EU deal might not be legally binding. Our political guru

:17:04. > :17:06.Norman Smith can tell us more. How strong are the doubts, Norman?

:17:07. > :17:11.Joanna, today we have heard from the man who was one of those sitting on

:17:12. > :17:15.the other side from Mr Cameron when he was negotiating that marathon EU

:17:16. > :17:19.deal the other week from a chap called Lord Hill. So he's a Brit but

:17:20. > :17:23.he's a European commissioner, so he was, if you like, arguing for the EU

:17:24. > :17:27.against David Cameron trying to get a deal. Of course we have heard from

:17:28. > :17:42.the Prime Minister over the last few days ability how he regards things.

:17:43. > :17:45.-- about how he regards things. Lord Hill struck a different tone

:17:46. > :17:50.than the Prime Minister. He was asked, so David Cameron got this

:17:51. > :17:54.deal, when is it going to be written into EU treaties and legally

:17:55. > :17:58.binding. Lord Hill said, well actually we haven't even started

:17:59. > :18:02.talking about that and he was asked well have you any idea when it might

:18:03. > :18:05.be a new treaty and he said no, we haven't begun the process, so in

:18:06. > :18:09.other words that looks like it's years and years away. He was asked

:18:10. > :18:18.about the specific protection Mr Cameron thinks he's got to protect

:18:19. > :18:21.basically the City from being bossed around by the eurozone club. Under

:18:22. > :18:27.the agreement, Mr Cameron says he's got the power basically to force the

:18:28. > :18:32.other EU countries to listen to Britain's concerns. It became clear

:18:33. > :18:36.in the hearing that actually, all Mr Cameron could do is ask them if they

:18:37. > :18:39.wouldn't mind listening to Britain's concerns and then they have a vote

:18:40. > :18:43.to decide whether they're prepared to listen to Mr Cameron's concerns.

:18:44. > :18:47.In other words, they could allow it, but there is no reason they have to

:18:48. > :18:50.allow it. So, you know, there were some pretty serious question marks

:18:51. > :18:53.raised about the deal. Interesting though, Lord Hill who obviously now

:18:54. > :18:59.sits on the other side of the table took the view that actually, despite

:19:00. > :19:03.all the grumbling and groaning about the EU, Britain was in many ways

:19:04. > :19:06.setting the agenda. Just have aliketh listen to what he said.

:19:07. > :19:11.Often Britain is complaining about things in Europe. They say to me,

:19:12. > :19:15.hang on, you have got the single market, free trade, we've got an

:19:16. > :19:19.agenda on better regulation and we all speak English. I mean, this is

:19:20. > :19:23.what has happened over the last 25 years.

:19:24. > :19:26.We also actually heard today from another commissioner or former

:19:27. > :19:30.commissioner, Peter Mandelson, famous of course during the Blair

:19:31. > :19:35.years as one of the fervent campaigners to keep us in the EU,

:19:36. > :19:40.and he was trying to boss the argument of the Brexit come pain

:19:41. > :19:44.that if we leave we'll be able to negotiate a fine and dandy deal with

:19:45. > :19:50.the EU. He said forget about it, he said if we wanted to negotiate a

:19:51. > :19:53.deal, we'd have to sign up to their rules on free movement, in other

:19:54. > :19:57.words still allow the migrants to come in and still not be able to do

:19:58. > :20:01.anything about it. And if we didn't agree to that, we may have to face

:20:02. > :20:07.tariffs to be allowed to trade with the rest of Europe. So, he was

:20:08. > :20:10.questioning the argument of Brexit campaigners that we can be sure of

:20:11. > :20:14.getting a good deal with the EU once we'd left. Talking of migration, one

:20:15. > :20:19.of the stories in the heedlines is what is going on in Calais with the

:20:20. > :20:23.dismantling of the Jungle camp. People who want to come over here.

:20:24. > :20:33.What is the Government's perspective on what is hatching there right now?

:20:34. > :20:37.-- happening there right now. The view of the British Government

:20:38. > :20:41.is actually, the French are on the right track, one Downing Street

:20:42. > :20:46.figure described it to me as a positive step. The reason Number Ten

:20:47. > :20:51.views the clearing of the jungle or parts of the jungle as a positive

:20:52. > :20:56.step is two fold. One is, they take the view that there is a sanitation

:20:57. > :21:01.issue, if you like, a basic quality of life issue in the jungle. The

:21:02. > :21:05.alternative they think is much better in the new containers. The

:21:06. > :21:10.real reason is, when the migrants move to this new camp, they are

:21:11. > :21:15.being fingerprinted by the French authorities which means, if they

:21:16. > :21:18.apply for asylum, the first country where they'll be documented as

:21:19. > :21:24.having arrived in will be France, not the UK. In other words, it will,

:21:25. > :21:28.if you like, remove their ability to claim asylum if they manage to make

:21:29. > :21:33.it to Britain. In other words, the British Government view is the

:21:34. > :21:37.French are in effect ensuring that the people gathered in Calais, if

:21:38. > :21:40.they move to the new camp and if they are fingerprinted, they cannot

:21:41. > :21:43.legally come to Britain. So the British Government view is, this is

:21:44. > :21:47.all good news. Thank you, Norman.

:21:48. > :21:49.Remember the last Christmas number one?

:21:50. > :21:52.Yes, the NHS Choir beat Justin Bieber to the top spot -

:21:53. > :21:55.but not without some help from the singer himself who tweeted

:21:56. > :21:59.asking his fans to buy the charity single and get it to the top

:22:00. > :22:02.of the charts despite his own single being in the race.

:22:03. > :22:08.The American star made a surprise visit to meet the singing health

:22:09. > :22:11.workers - and congratulate them on their success.

:22:12. > :22:33.My hand has been left hanging, honey!

:22:34. > :22:39.And Katie Rogerson, who is a member of the choir,

:22:40. > :22:50.What did you think when Justin Bieber walked through the door? I

:22:51. > :22:55.was one of the few members of the choir who actually knew who we were

:22:56. > :22:58.meeting and it was still pretty weird because, you know, that

:22:59. > :23:02.flairty of someone you have seen a lot, but the rest of the choir had

:23:03. > :23:08.no idea -- Flaherty. There was an audible kind of shock that went

:23:09. > :23:14.through the room in a good way -- familiarity. What was he like?

:23:15. > :23:19.Really quite sweet. I think even if you are that famous it must be

:23:20. > :23:23.intimidating coming into a bunch of people staring at you like weirdos

:23:24. > :23:27.and he ran around and high-fived everyone, chatted to everyone and

:23:28. > :23:34.said congratulations as we obviously did back. He seemed like quite a

:23:35. > :23:38.nice, sweet celebrity. So have you all been touched by the

:23:39. > :23:42.way he's handled everything because him saying to his fans, support the

:23:43. > :23:45.choir, it's fine for me not to be number one for one week, do the

:23:46. > :23:49.right thing, and then, you know, taking the time out to come and meet

:23:50. > :23:54.you all? Exactly. I mean, he was fabulous. He was just a really good

:23:55. > :23:59.sport. It made it really Christmassy, then to come on and

:24:00. > :24:02.meet us, I think we were, his only other engagement over here really

:24:03. > :24:07.other than the Brits, he's been a really good sport about the whole

:24:08. > :24:10.thing and, you know, one of our aims originally with the whole song and

:24:11. > :24:15.everything was the raise the morale, boost everyone in the NHS, say thank

:24:16. > :24:20.you to the heroes of the NHS that are throughout the country in the

:24:21. > :24:27.NHS. He continued that for us by kind of turning up and saying hello

:24:28. > :24:32.to us. He was lovely. Does he help? The fact that he's effectively

:24:33. > :24:36.endorsing what you do, does that help beyond what he's done already

:24:37. > :24:40.and what you've done already? Yes. I think he's giving some weight behind

:24:41. > :24:44.everything and, in terms of just as a story, I think he's made us an

:24:45. > :24:50.international story, whereas maybe we'd meet obviously the NHS,

:24:51. > :24:54.everyone cares about it in the UK, but not such in Chile or Canada or

:24:55. > :25:00.America, and he's kind of carried on and given us a bit of weight. He's

:25:01. > :25:05.just, you know, put a really lovely twist on it. It continues the

:25:06. > :25:08.feel-good factor that we were going forward with with the song in the

:25:09. > :25:13.first place so yes, he's been great. Did he say much? Did you get a sense

:25:14. > :25:17.that he really does know what you are doing and that's something that

:25:18. > :25:26.he's been interested in? It was quite a rushed meeting. We didn't

:25:27. > :25:29.speak in-depth about the NHS or the choir a lot. He encouraged us to

:25:30. > :25:33.make more hits and he was charming in that sense. We know he's a

:25:34. > :25:41.national health care supporter. Previously he's released statements

:25:42. > :25:44.to that effect. He was quite pressured in London so I don't think

:25:45. > :25:51.he'd call me his best friend or anything like that, but it was good

:25:52. > :25:57.fun. Are you all Bieber-believers now?

:25:58. > :26:02.Definitely. I thought it was... I think you know, as an older woman,

:26:03. > :26:07.older than Justin, I hadn't really listened to his music before, I

:26:08. > :26:11.didn't know a great deal about him. Actually, I really like his music

:26:12. > :26:21.I've discovered and he's been really sweet along the way, so I'm an Emma

:26:22. > :26:25.Bieber and he's an NHS Bieber. I'm older than you and I'm a fan too!

:26:26. > :26:29.Thank you. Lots of you getting in touch with the story we have been

:26:30. > :26:33.reporting on, homeless people sleeping in bins. We have had lots

:26:34. > :26:38.of you getting in touch, particularly after the conversation

:26:39. > :26:43.with Richard who joined us telling us he sleeps in bins. Chris e-mailed

:26:44. > :26:46.to say, it's disgusting that our own are sleeping in bins with mental

:26:47. > :26:51.health issues when we are letting more foreign nationals in. Sally

:26:52. > :26:54.said it's a disgrace that the world's sixth richest country cannot

:26:55. > :26:59.care for homeless but of course 350 million pounds per week is give

:27:00. > :27:04.tonne the EU. Steve Tweeted to say it's terrible that people are

:27:05. > :27:08.sleeping in bins. Do keep your comments coming into

:27:09. > :27:13.us. Thank you very much for all of your contributions so far to our

:27:14. > :27:17.discussions. We have been reporting that a

:27:18. > :27:20.suspected meteor shower lit up much of the early evening sky across

:27:21. > :27:25.Scotland last night. Many reported seeing a fireball in the sky and

:27:26. > :27:33.hearing a violent bang just before 7 o'clock. Ross Stuart was an

:27:34. > :27:37.eyewitness. We can speak to him now. Hi, Ross, what did you see and hear?

:27:38. > :27:41.I was on the way back from the helicopter from the North Sea oil

:27:42. > :27:47.platform at the time. When it happened about 6. 50, I thought we

:27:48. > :27:51.were about to hit lightning, the sky lit up with a flashy bang then it

:27:52. > :27:58.all went quiet again. It was only when I landed and I saw the eruption

:27:59. > :28:04.on social media -- media that it was something more than lightning. How

:28:05. > :28:12.noisy was it? Helicopters are noisy anyway, so I didn't hear much. How

:28:13. > :28:16.long did it go on for? The sky was starting to light up, two seconds

:28:17. > :28:20.before the initial flash, then there was another flash, then a couple of

:28:21. > :28:23.small flashes then it was gone. Two or three seconds, not long. What

:28:24. > :28:29.were you thinking when it was happening? You didn't obviously know

:28:30. > :28:35.what it was it was? I was hoping it was not lightning. Was it quite

:28:36. > :28:40.special to see because it's pretty unusual to see something like that?

:28:41. > :28:48.It was, yes. We got a pretty good view of it because it looked like it

:28:49. > :28:52.was happening right over our heads. Thank you very much, Ross, thank you

:28:53. > :28:56.for telling us about that meteor shower and lots of people obviously

:28:57. > :29:01.were talking about it on social media. It was a mystery at first to

:29:02. > :29:05.what it was. Survivors of child sexual abuse say they are extremely

:29:06. > :29:08.unlikely to get justice in the courts and they are calling for a

:29:09. > :29:12.Royal Commission to be established to work out whether the current

:29:13. > :29:20.criminal justice system is fit for purpose.

:29:21. > :29:24.The people's tribunal was set up in 2014 and has heard evidence from 20

:29:25. > :29:28.people who were sexually abused as children. One regular theme was the

:29:29. > :29:32.difficulties people experienced in reporting what's happened to them to

:29:33. > :29:37.the authorities. Cheryl is one of the survivors of the People's

:29:38. > :29:40.Tribunal. She says she was raped several times in care and she's

:29:41. > :29:45.waived her right to anonymity to speak to us this morning. Also, Alan

:29:46. > :29:51.Collins, a legal adviser to the tribunal from Hugh James solicitors.

:29:52. > :30:01.Tell us first of all quickly Alan why this was set up because it's got

:30:02. > :30:05.no legal standing and no criminal cases will arrive from it? 15-16

:30:06. > :30:09.months ago, there was a lot of debate in the media about the

:30:10. > :30:14.Government's proposed inquiry which is now happening, so that's fine,

:30:15. > :30:18.that's good. But at the time, it looked as though there was going to

:30:19. > :30:24.be a struggle to get the inquiry under way and many survivors were

:30:25. > :30:27.saying, is this inquiry going to happen, is there a lot of

:30:28. > :30:31.frustration and concern, so a group of them came together and said we'll

:30:32. > :30:34.hold our own inquiry, do our own investigation, so instead of

:30:35. > :30:38.something coming from top-down, the grass roots said, let's do it

:30:39. > :30:42.ourselves and they've done it. They have commissioned their own

:30:43. > :30:48.investigation, obtained their own report into the issues and here we

:30:49. > :30:49.are today. The grass roots have produced their own inquiry and their

:30:50. > :30:57.Cheryl, tell us about you, why you own report.

:30:58. > :31:02.Cheryl, tell us about you, why you wanted to get involved with this

:31:03. > :31:08.tribunal? It is fair to say, is it, that your life has been defined by

:31:09. > :31:14.what you say happened in a care home since you were 14? Yes, definitely.

:31:15. > :31:21.Once you have been in care, you are treated differently, like you are

:31:22. > :31:25.below normal. Authorities... I have been involved with authorities all

:31:26. > :31:30.my adult life, which I can't go into here, but every person in authority

:31:31. > :31:33.I have met over the last 25 years, I have told them what happened when I

:31:34. > :31:38.was in care and they were like, that doesn't matter, that doesn't matter.

:31:39. > :31:42.I have told the police, been to the police three times, they take my

:31:43. > :31:49.statement and evidence and don't come back. It is like... Why do we

:31:50. > :31:54.not matter? It is not historical, it has never been dealt with. I am

:31:55. > :31:57.hearing the same stories over and over and over again. The issue for

:31:58. > :32:03.you was not that you were not telling people, you were? They

:32:04. > :32:08.didn't want to know, didn't want to help us. I was doing activism online

:32:09. > :32:11.and trying to research what was happening, I am finding more and

:32:12. > :32:18.more people with similar stories to me. For such a long time I thought

:32:19. > :32:22.it was just me, my face didn't fit, and I am finding hundreds and

:32:23. > :32:27.hundreds more with similar stories, nobody has wanted to help them. We

:32:28. > :32:34.haven't chosen to be abused. The help should be there for us. Tell us

:32:35. > :32:38.what happened to you? Nobody has ever been arrested over what you say

:32:39. > :32:43.happened to you. We are not naming the care home, it has closed down

:32:44. > :32:48.anyway, but just talk is through what you say you experienced in the

:32:49. > :32:53.care home? The first care home I was in was like a prison, I was 15, I

:32:54. > :33:01.was put in care because my mum didn't want to me. I hadn't done

:33:02. > :33:07.anything wrong. It says in my notes I wasn't reprobate enough for the

:33:08. > :33:12.care system. We were locked in 24 hours a day, weren't allowed out

:33:13. > :33:22.whatsoever. Just before my 16th birthday I was raped by a male in

:33:23. > :33:28.the building. It just broke me, it broke me. I went to another home, in

:33:29. > :33:34.the other home we were encouraged to drink alcohol. After being locked in

:33:35. > :33:38.for so long... Encourage? The staff and courage is to drink alcohol,

:33:39. > :33:45.tour goes to parties. I came back from one of the parties and I was

:33:46. > :33:50.like... You have got to imagine, the months before I had been locked up

:33:51. > :33:54.like a prison, if you will, then I went to visit the home when

:33:55. > :33:57.everything was open, I was encouraged to drink alcohol, I was

:33:58. > :34:03.not used to things like that. I came home from one of these parties drunk

:34:04. > :34:08.and I was gang raped off a load of local lads. It took me over 25 years

:34:09. > :34:13.to get any sort of paperwork and it is only that thick from when I was

:34:14. > :34:17.in care, it states in the paperwork I went to the police and told them

:34:18. > :34:22.what had happened, the police rang the care home and said, she is

:34:23. > :34:28.making up stories. It beggars belief. I was a child. Where was my

:34:29. > :34:34.protection? This care system is supposed to protect children, where

:34:35. > :34:39.was mine? Nobody can say it has changed, you have got rather run,

:34:40. > :34:48.Rochdale, it is the care kids again. -- you have got Rotherham, Rochdale.

:34:49. > :34:54.If it is to look after the children, why are we not being taken care?

:34:55. > :34:57.Alan, you explained why the People's Tribunal was set up, how many people

:34:58. > :35:04.came forward saying they had not been listened to? A wide spectrum,

:35:05. > :35:10.and many had this complaint that they had said something, either at

:35:11. > :35:17.the time all afterwards, and for one reason or another it was not taken

:35:18. > :35:21.seriously. Some of the victims, the survivors, they were taken seriously

:35:22. > :35:23.and there were police investigations, some resulting in

:35:24. > :35:33.successful prosecutions. But there were others who would strike a chime

:35:34. > :35:38.with Cheryl, something was known at the time, but for whatever reason it

:35:39. > :35:45.was not dealt with. That is a sort of re-occurring theme over the

:35:46. > :35:49.years, and that was one of the patterns that the panel that was

:35:50. > :35:55.assessing the evidence identified. It was a weird caring theme that a

:35:56. > :36:00.lot of these survivors had the same issue -- it was a wee occurring

:36:01. > :36:06.theme. Cheryl, you said, where was the help for you? What impact did

:36:07. > :36:13.feeling you were not listened to have? I ran away from care after the

:36:14. > :36:17.gang rape at 17, I could not face being there any more. I ended up

:36:18. > :36:22.living rough on the streets for about a year. That is in my notes as

:36:23. > :36:27.well, I went to social services and said, I am living rough, I was still

:36:28. > :36:30.a child under their responsibility, they were giving me phone numbers,

:36:31. > :36:37.never offered me help, support, nothing. For a long, long time I

:36:38. > :36:43.believe that I deserved it, I must have otherwise start -- otherwise

:36:44. > :36:48.nor why did nobody help me? I ended up going into relationships where I

:36:49. > :36:54.was abused badly. It has affected every single thing of my life. The

:36:55. > :37:03.lack of support you get, you can't get any mental health support, it is

:37:04. > :37:08.only two years ago I owe sugar -- I was diagnosed with mental health

:37:09. > :37:12.issues. You go back on my site which excites Twitter gets ago, nobody

:37:13. > :37:17.said, you might be suffering from mental health issues. It has

:37:18. > :37:22.affected everything. My children have been removed from me twice,

:37:23. > :37:32.everything. I can't have a nation ship. I just can't trust anybody to

:37:33. > :37:39.be with. How has the People's Tribunal affected you? The People's

:37:40. > :37:45.Tribunal has turned my life around. To go from what I was two years ago

:37:46. > :37:50.to now... There is no way I would be sat in front of this camera two

:37:51. > :37:56.years ago. What has done that? Helping other people, by helping

:37:57. > :38:02.other people... It has given me a sense of purpose. By helping other

:38:03. > :38:07.people it has helped me get back on the road that I should have been put

:38:08. > :38:14.on at 17, I am on the road to healing myself. It is knowing that I

:38:15. > :38:21.wasn't the only one, there is a lost ball. It was not just directed at

:38:22. > :38:26.me, it was not personal. There are bad people in the world. Alan', the

:38:27. > :38:30.People's Tribunal has given people who say they were victims of abuse

:38:31. > :38:35.and opportunity to come forward and speak in an environment which is not

:38:36. > :38:39.an tag in a stick, not convert it like the criminal justice system --

:38:40. > :38:44.not antagonistic. How different is that? Very different, it is

:38:45. > :38:50.illuminating because it highlights a very profound question, which is

:38:51. > :39:02.does our justice system actually meet in the 21st-century the demands

:39:03. > :39:07.created by survivors coming forward? In the People's Tribunal

:39:08. > :39:12.environment, people are not necessarily being judged, or felt

:39:13. > :39:17.they were being judged, it was not adversarial or convert it. People, I

:39:18. > :39:20.think, were a bit more relaxed than they would normally be and had the

:39:21. > :39:29.time to explain their stories in their own way. Can you see that that

:39:30. > :39:33.could translate in a real, meaningful way into the criminal

:39:34. > :39:36.justice system? In the criminal justice system, when justice needs

:39:37. > :39:42.to be done for everybody, every aspect needs to be rigorously

:39:43. > :39:47.scrutinised? Indeed. What I would say is that there is possibly

:39:48. > :39:52.something to be learned from this experience. Maybe our justice system

:39:53. > :39:57.can be improved or developed in some way to take into account... Maybe

:39:58. > :40:01.there is another way of looking at things, maybe another way of

:40:02. > :40:11.approaching these issues. That is very important. It is a legitimate

:40:12. > :40:15.question. The panel on the tribunal, and in my own experience, you see

:40:16. > :40:19.cases sometimes weather survivors have gone through the criminal

:40:20. > :40:24.justice process and there has been a successful prosecution and the

:40:25. > :40:29.abuser has gone to prison or whatever, fine, that is very

:40:30. > :40:32.important, but it has not necessarily been a cathartic

:40:33. > :40:37.experience for the survivor. They are left to pick up the pieces.

:40:38. > :40:41.Interesting, so you think this is more cathartic than seeing simply

:40:42. > :40:46.held to account? Possibly, we need to learn a lot more from survivors

:40:47. > :40:51.and their experiences. In my opinion, there is a lot to learn.

:40:52. > :40:59.This People's Tribunal experience, in my opinion, demonstrates, yes, we

:41:00. > :41:04.still have a lots to learn, and if we are going to improve and try to

:41:05. > :41:08.learn from the past then this is something that can be looked at and

:41:09. > :41:11.thought about, but that is one of the recommendations that the panel

:41:12. > :41:18.has come up with, that a lot more needs to be done if we are to

:41:19. > :41:26.improve our lot as a society. Cheryl and Alan, thank you very much.

:41:27. > :41:29.This morning we have reporting about the number of homeless people in

:41:30. > :41:33.waste bins and the outcome being fatal. In the last five years the

:41:34. > :41:36.bodies of the least 11 people have been found in recycling depots after

:41:37. > :41:41.being crushed and refuse lorries. A little early I spoke to Richard, who

:41:42. > :41:46.is homeless and has let in bins, lots of you have been moved by what

:41:47. > :41:54.he told us, so we wanted to play some of his interview again.

:41:55. > :41:58.I... Just look for office recycling, so if they have excess paper or

:41:59. > :42:07.cardboard which they have used I just use that as a mattress, so I am

:42:08. > :42:13.sleeping sounder than sleeping on the lovely concrete, which is a bit

:42:14. > :42:23.grainy, dirty and just stinks, basically. I am trying my best to

:42:24. > :42:30.look for a bed, and I just seem to be, like... I'm not going to give

:42:31. > :42:38.up, I'm going to keep trying until I succeed, and hopefully one day in

:42:39. > :42:44.the near future... I call it the Kennedy Palace. How long have you

:42:45. > :42:50.been homeless, Richard? Only... Coming up to four years now. What

:42:51. > :42:55.happened? Why did you end up like that? I got attacked in October

:42:56. > :43:03.2010, that person who attacked me left me with brain damage for life,

:43:04. > :43:09.so thank you. And... There were times when I was in hospital but I

:43:10. > :43:19.just wanted to kill myself. But I thought of my family, my friends,

:43:20. > :43:26.and they have pulled me through it. My eyes are filling up. Of course.

:43:27. > :43:31.They mean the world to me. I just want to say thank you also much for

:43:32. > :43:36.supporting me. I know I have been a pain, but thank you so much. You can

:43:37. > :43:42.see Richard on the programme page, and also Jim's full report. Richard

:43:43. > :43:45.has been attached to say I am in tears watching, it is completely

:43:46. > :43:47.heartbreaking to see what can happen to people. Thank you so much for

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