03/03/2016

:00:21. > :00:25.People who set up fake social media profiles to harass or post

:00:26. > :00:34.embarrassing pictures of others could end up in court.

:00:35. > :00:41.It could cause alarm for the victims. We will use the legislation

:00:42. > :00:45.to prosecute them. A generation of children plagued by lonelines and

:00:46. > :00:48.self-esteem, that is the warning from ChildLine. We'll ask these

:00:49. > :00:58.youngsters why they have struggled with the pressures of modern life. I

:00:59. > :01:01.ate my friend's dead bodies to stay alive. The first UK interview with

:01:02. > :01:12.one of the men who survived a plane crash in the Andes #40e years ago.

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:02:00. > :02:03.A generation of children are plagued by loneliness and low self-esteem

:02:04. > :02:06.because of the pressures of modern life, according to the charity

:02:07. > :02:11.It says more young people are getting in touch than ever

:02:12. > :02:14.before with social media, cyber-bullying and the pressure

:02:15. > :02:25.for a perfect body image amongst the biggest problems.

:02:26. > :02:32.Jamie, Naomi, Charlie, Cameron. Thank you all for joining us.

:02:33. > :02:35.Let's talk about this now with Jamie, he's 17 and was bullied

:02:36. > :02:47.What is your disability? My ankles twist and it made me walk funny,

:02:48. > :02:52.people used that as a picking point to bully and torment me and, in the

:02:53. > :02:56.end, it really grinds down on you and gets to the point where you

:02:57. > :03:02.don't want to be in school or around people. It really does affect you

:03:03. > :03:07.growing up a lot. Describe what it's like when you say it grinds down on

:03:08. > :03:10.you. Did you try to ignore it, did you retaliate? It's different for

:03:11. > :03:16.everybody. For me personally, I tried to ignore it. But it's very

:03:17. > :03:23.difficult to ignore. It's very tricky to try to deal with it at

:03:24. > :03:28.times. Cameron, what have the issues been for you? Trying to get a grip

:03:29. > :03:34.of how I think people think of me. So I've had times where I've thought

:03:35. > :03:41.the worst of what people may be thinking and that's also brought me

:03:42. > :03:46.down so the point that I've not really enabled to go out or go to

:03:47. > :03:51.school, see people, face people. That's what brought know the stage

:03:52. > :03:55.of feeling lonely and down. It kind of made me anxious of going out and

:03:56. > :04:00.seeing people because it was on my mind what they would be saying

:04:01. > :04:05.behind my back or about me. What was it that made you start thinking it

:04:06. > :04:12.was bad, was it specific things or just a general fear that people

:04:13. > :04:16.might not like you? It was a general fear that I thought people wouldn't

:04:17. > :04:24.like me or think a certain way about me and it kind of just brought me

:04:25. > :04:33.down to the point that I just couldn't think properly or clearly

:04:34. > :04:37.and my end goal was not in sight. Naomi, you had similar concerns

:04:38. > :04:42.about how people saw you growing up. Tell us what issues you came across?

:04:43. > :04:45.Yes, I struggled with my body image, I didn't feel I was good enough with

:04:46. > :04:50.exam pressures, that was really difficult and that led to me

:04:51. > :04:54.suffering from panic attacks and anxiety attacks which led to

:04:55. > :04:59.self-harm and then it was a downward spiral of anxiety and me feeling bad

:05:00. > :05:02.against myself feeling that I couldn't ever reach people's

:05:03. > :05:06.expectations. Was this all going on in your head, were you able to talk

:05:07. > :05:09.to anybody about this? For around a year, I couldn't talk to anybody. I

:05:10. > :05:14.didn't feel able or confident enough to tell anyone for fear of being

:05:15. > :05:19.judged. Then once I did, I spoke to ChildLine first, that was the

:05:20. > :05:24.turning point for me where I could start to be more open. Charlie, what

:05:25. > :05:28.were your issues growing up? Being transgender is very difficult in

:05:29. > :05:34.every day society at the moment. Low self-esteem mainly. But with the

:05:35. > :05:38.help of ChildLine and external agencies helping, it's just

:05:39. > :05:43.everything has changed and it's better than it would have been ten

:05:44. > :05:47.years ago perhaps. Growing up is difficult enough when you are trying

:05:48. > :05:52.to find yourself, I think all kids, everybody that's been a kid

:05:53. > :05:57.identifies with that? Yes. At the age of 14 when hormones are

:05:58. > :06:01.developing anyway, you were grappling other issues too? Yes. So

:06:02. > :06:06.all of these issues were at large for you, but obviously it's the same

:06:07. > :06:13.issues that apply to anyone? Yes. And how did you feel about that? Did

:06:14. > :06:22.you feel isolated? Isolated. Isolated is the only thing I can say

:06:23. > :06:27.really. That was the hard thing. Laura, you are a bit older, you are

:06:28. > :06:30.23, you have been through the same issues kids go through. Are these

:06:31. > :06:36.typical experiences? Yes. Definitely. I had an eating disorder

:06:37. > :06:40.about ten years ago now. I would say my recovery part was the most the

:06:41. > :06:45.difficult because that was the time I was scrutinised for the most time,

:06:46. > :06:51.for my weight, what I looked like. It was hard to do things on my own

:06:52. > :06:56.which made me back away from people and I felt like I was always been

:06:57. > :07:01.watched which made me back away. It's difficult to build up your own

:07:02. > :07:05.self-worth. I read something recently request - Ke spend so many

:07:06. > :07:12.years in education yet nobody teaches us how to love oushess. That

:07:13. > :07:17.sums things up perfectly. We have to accept ourselves for who we are. One

:07:18. > :07:22.comment can do so much damage and that was resonant with me at the

:07:23. > :07:28.time. And you help in schools to try to boost self-confidence. What is it

:07:29. > :07:31.about kids, all of us, that makes a comment sometimes be a worm in

:07:32. > :07:36.someone's mind that causes damage and others just able to shake it

:07:37. > :07:40.off? I think it's that, we are our own worst critic and someone else

:07:41. > :07:44.placing that judgment on you just kind of intensifies it and makes it

:07:45. > :07:50.more real for you. I think unless you are a very self-confident person

:07:51. > :07:53.and can find that inner strength, it's very difficult to ignore the

:07:54. > :07:56.comments. It's difficult to be comfortable with ourselves but when

:07:57. > :07:59.you can get to that point, it becomes a lot easier but everyone

:08:00. > :08:03.needs to be aware of how they are treating other people because it can

:08:04. > :08:10.have a massive impact. Is that something you all identify with?

:08:11. > :08:15.Jamie? I agree massively with the point that we judge ourselves so

:08:16. > :08:19.harshly sometimes because there's this image of a perfect teenager

:08:20. > :08:24.nowadays. You have got to wear the right clothes... Why do you say

:08:25. > :08:28.nowadays, is that because of social media? It's massively due to social

:08:29. > :08:32.media. You see pictures on Facebook of people and they'll be wearing

:08:33. > :08:37.expensive clothes and they'll have their hair all done up and you will

:08:38. > :08:41.feel well, why don't I have that done, if I don't have that done I'm

:08:42. > :08:48.not going to fit in at school and be comfortable around people. Yes.

:08:49. > :08:53.Naomi? Yes, there's that pressure on social media that you've got to get

:08:54. > :08:56."likes" on Facebook, if you don't, you question yourself, what you are

:08:57. > :09:00.doing wrong and why people don't like you. That definitely does

:09:01. > :09:05.impact your self-esteem. You feel a bit down as well if you don't get

:09:06. > :09:09.many likes on a photo on Facebook. I know it's so silly to feel sad about

:09:10. > :09:14.not getting likes on Facebook, but if you post a photo that you feel

:09:15. > :09:17.very confident about and then you get no likes, it's a bit like, well

:09:18. > :09:22.should I take it down, what's wrong with it. Cameron, you have really

:09:23. > :09:26.seen that element of social media where it's a way to address

:09:27. > :09:30.lonelines sometimes but can make you feel worse as well? Yes, it's like

:09:31. > :09:35.when you are at home or on your own in your safe space, you could be

:09:36. > :09:39.typing anything, you could be, as my friends have said, posting pictures

:09:40. > :09:43.of yourself that you are quite happy with, but then the problem with

:09:44. > :09:49.making the statements that you decide to make, or saying how you

:09:50. > :09:52.feel, or what's getting you down on the social media platforms, is that

:09:53. > :09:56.it's not just your friends who can see it, it's a much wider audience

:09:57. > :10:01.and an audience of people that you don't actually want to see or

:10:02. > :10:06.wouldn't wish to see are able to access it and that's hard for you to

:10:07. > :10:09.then go out into the world if you know that everybody's already got an

:10:10. > :10:15.image in their mind of how you are going to act or how you feel.

:10:16. > :10:24.Definitely. You have turned to ChildLine, all of you, for help.

:10:25. > :10:29.What did that do to help you? ChildLine's very, very important

:10:30. > :10:34.nowadays. It gives you more confidence. How, how does it do

:10:35. > :10:38.that? Being able to talk to a trusted adult, being able to seek

:10:39. > :10:42.the support that everybody needs every now and then. I'm sure you

:10:43. > :10:48.would all agree with me that ChildLine does help and the NSPCC

:10:49. > :10:53.will help as much as they can, if you have problems you need to talk

:10:54. > :10:56.to a trusted adult. You help other kids as a result of they have been

:10:57. > :10:58.through now don't you? There are workshops in schools for mental

:10:59. > :11:02.health for the younger students sothey are more aware of it and so

:11:03. > :11:06.that they can recognise when things aren't going quite right and that

:11:07. > :11:09.they can seek help and talk to someone and that their friends will

:11:10. > :11:13.understand instead of them being judged about opening up about

:11:14. > :11:20.something that is difficult to open up about. Laura, you have grown up

:11:21. > :11:25.as part of this generation. Do you think social media and those

:11:26. > :11:29.pressures bring a different dynamic for kids growing up to put them

:11:30. > :11:33.under greaterther pressure? Massively. When I was going through

:11:34. > :11:38.what I was going through, it was only magazines, that was enough of a

:11:39. > :11:42.trigger and I don't know how kids do it these days with Instagram and

:11:43. > :11:45.Facebook. I got my first iPhone last year and you see five-year-olds

:11:46. > :11:52.running around with them and it's mad. It plays an extra part and adds

:11:53. > :11:57.a different pressure. I have never used ChildLine but there are

:11:58. > :12:00.charities that offer similar support. It's really important

:12:01. > :12:04.because people need somewhere they can go and feel safe and confide in

:12:05. > :12:09.when they don't have that everywhere else. Why did you all feel the need

:12:10. > :12:13.to go to ChildLine rather than talk to those around you. Parents will be

:12:14. > :12:16.watching thinking, they might be worried about their children,

:12:17. > :12:20.wanting to talk to them, is it difficult some times to open up to

:12:21. > :12:25.those closest to you? You are both nodding, so why? For me it was more

:12:26. > :12:28.that I felt everyone around me would automatically judge me for anything

:12:29. > :12:35.I opened up about. Even your parents? Yes. I was scared that... I

:12:36. > :12:39.had no reason to really but in my head it felt really real that it

:12:40. > :12:43.would really upset them and stuff so going to ChildLine for me, it was

:12:44. > :12:47.somewhere online and I didn't have to see anybody face-to-face so I

:12:48. > :12:52.didn't have to see their reactions soit was a safe place for me to talk

:12:53. > :12:56.about stuff in confidence. Jamie, you were agreeing with that? The

:12:57. > :13:00.really horrible thing is, it's inside your head and when you get

:13:01. > :13:03.that thought into your head, if I say somebody's going to judge me or

:13:04. > :13:07.tell somebody else, once you have got that in your head, you don't

:13:08. > :13:11.want to say anything about something. ChildLine empowers young

:13:12. > :13:16.people to tell people their problems. When I went to ChildLine,

:13:17. > :13:19.they gave me the confidence to talk to my parents about what was going

:13:20. > :13:23.on. Do you think your parents knew you were struggling? Do you think

:13:24. > :13:27.they were worried? I think every parent to an extent has a feeling

:13:28. > :13:35.that something might not be right with the child, especially when

:13:36. > :13:40.you've got this child who changes very quickly and start isolating

:13:41. > :13:43.themselves and don't go out as much, they might not be going on the

:13:44. > :13:48.Internet as much, it's signs like that that a parent would notice. You

:13:49. > :13:52.never know what is going on in someone's head do you, even those

:13:53. > :14:00.close to you. Did you find that Cameron? I did. It was also hard for

:14:01. > :14:04.me to get a grip on the words "I need help" coming out of my mouth.

:14:05. > :14:12.Had you wanted to say it but couldn't? Yes, I'd wanted to say to

:14:13. > :14:17.people before that I'm not OK all the time, sometimes the smile on my

:14:18. > :14:25.face isn't real but I think that the aspect of being able to phone

:14:26. > :14:29.ChildLine and the confidentiality of that, it's not going to go anywhere,

:14:30. > :14:33.they are not going to go anywhere with it until they think you are at

:14:34. > :14:38.risk. Up until that point when you did speak out, all bit to somebody

:14:39. > :14:42.at the end of a phoneline, how would the outside world have seen you do

:14:43. > :14:49.you think? Were you a close person, were people saying "are you OK? "? I

:14:50. > :14:52.don't think people were asking me generally, actually asking me, are

:14:53. > :14:58.you all right, that sort of thing, and I think the thing for me was

:14:59. > :15:02.that I tried to portray a happy person and I think sometimes that's

:15:03. > :15:07.what brought me down was that I was trying be happy, I was trying to

:15:08. > :15:10.tell the world I was hopely but deep down that's not what was in my

:15:11. > :15:15.brain, that's not what I was thinking.

:15:16. > :15:19.Charlie, because you are transgender and were obviously going through a

:15:20. > :15:23.process with that, were you therefore getting help and speaking

:15:24. > :15:27.to people in a way that perhaps the others weren't because it wasn't

:15:28. > :15:33.such an Overt thing that people were aware of? Yes, not particularly. The

:15:34. > :15:38.only personal I spoke to in terms of professionals is my GP, the GP was,

:15:39. > :15:44.well I was was referred on to mental Health Services. That is the only

:15:45. > :15:49.thing that helped me, the only professional body that helped me,

:15:50. > :15:52.that I was able to speak my own mind with. Once you did all start to

:15:53. > :15:58.speak, what difference did that make to you? Huge. Huge. Even now doing

:15:59. > :16:01.this sort of thing for me is very therapeutic and the more you talk

:16:02. > :16:04.about it and help others with it, it makes you a lot stronger. It's

:16:05. > :16:08.really important and every time you do it you get a new perspective and

:16:09. > :16:12.it's a really good thing to do. Especially when you have got

:16:13. > :16:15.support. Jamie, I know that the moment for you that actually led to

:16:16. > :16:20.you feeling like you wanted to talk was you went to see the musical

:16:21. > :16:26.Wicked, tell us why that was a moment for you?

:16:27. > :16:32.It is a show about a character who is judged so harshly on her looks,

:16:33. > :16:36.and I think it resonates with every single young person who might have a

:16:37. > :16:40.difference that they don't feel is something they should be confident

:16:41. > :16:45.about, but this character was so confident about being green, there

:16:46. > :16:48.is a massive difference, you don't see people who are green walking

:16:49. > :16:54.down the street! But she was so confident with it and I think it

:16:55. > :16:58.resonates with every single person, because if you have got a difference

:16:59. > :17:04.you should be confident about it, rather than being pushed down about

:17:05. > :17:13.it, you shouldn't feel pressure to hide the differences. So, for you,

:17:14. > :17:20.that moment when you saw Elphaba in Wicked, it took that accord? We told

:17:21. > :17:24.Rachel Tucker, who played Elphaba, the impact that it had a new, that

:17:25. > :17:28.going to the theatre had, and how it was a moment when you thought, I am

:17:29. > :17:29.going to be proud of myself. She was so moved that she recorded a message

:17:30. > :17:32.for you to hear. Hey Jamie, it's Rachel Tucker here,

:17:33. > :17:35.shouting out with lots of love I'm over here playing Elphaba,

:17:36. > :17:43.and I hear you have a massive connection with Wicked,

:17:44. > :17:45.and especially Elphaba Listen, chin up, Jimmy -

:17:46. > :17:59.thanks for sharing your very lovely and important

:18:00. > :18:01.story to us all. Chin up, lots of love

:18:02. > :18:14.from New York, and take care. She wanted to do it because she

:18:15. > :18:20.understood the impact on you, and the impact that you coming in and

:18:21. > :18:24.talking will have on people at home. One tweet, children have two

:18:25. > :18:31.conformed to societal norms without a voice. Another, watching brave

:18:32. > :18:34.teams on the show. Another, the young people talking about isolation

:18:35. > :18:38.shows how they have not given into low esteem. Thank you so much for

:18:39. > :18:42.coming in, and thank you for your comments. Get in touch, let us know

:18:43. > :18:44.what your thoughts are on all of that.

:18:45. > :18:52.We're looking at the day-to-day things that would affect us

:18:53. > :18:55.if we decide to leave the EU, the price

:18:56. > :18:57.of flights, food and phone calls, for example.

:18:58. > :18:59.But also what happens to British ex-pats living abroad

:19:00. > :19:04.Send your questions in and we'll see if our experts can answer them.

:19:05. > :19:07.And internet trolls who set up fake social media profiles to post

:19:08. > :19:11.damaging or embarrassing material could face criminal charges.

:19:12. > :19:14.We'll be speaking to the Director of Public Prosecutions,

:19:15. > :19:20.Alison Saunders, on how the law is changing.

:19:21. > :19:25.A French minister says migrants could be allowed to travel unchecked

:19:26. > :19:28.to the UK if Britain chooses to leave the European Union.

:19:29. > :19:30.It's likely to be raised at a meeting today between

:19:31. > :19:33.David Cameron and the French president.

:19:34. > :19:36.Leave campaigners say the warning is ludicrous and not backed up

:19:37. > :19:41.The German car manufacturer BMW has emailed its UK staff to highlight

:19:42. > :19:44.what it sees as the risks of a British exit.

:19:45. > :19:50.Vote Leave campaigners dismiss it as "scare-mongering".

:19:51. > :19:53.Internet trolls who create fake social media profiles could find

:19:54. > :19:55.themselves in court under proposed guidelines for prosecutors

:19:56. > :20:00.The Crown Prosecution Service says adults should be charged if they use

:20:01. > :20:05.fake social media IDs to harass others.

:20:06. > :20:09.North Korea has launched several short-range missiles into the sea.

:20:10. > :20:11.It came hours after the UN announced tough sanctions against the country.

:20:12. > :20:17.The measures were passed in response to Pyongyang's recent nuclear tests.

:20:18. > :20:20.The killers of Bristol teenager Becky Watts were granted more

:20:21. > :20:22.than ?400,000 in legal aid, according to a Freedom

:20:23. > :20:27.Nathan Matthews was jailed for life and his girlfriend Shauna Hoare

:20:28. > :20:36.Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Katherine Downes.

:20:37. > :20:43.Quite a night in the Premier League? Yes, quite unlike the Leicester City

:20:44. > :20:48.and they were not even playing, but their nearest rivals in the race for

:20:49. > :20:52.the title, Tottenham, Arsenal, and Manchester City, or lost, so more

:20:53. > :20:55.breathing space for Leicester at the top of the table. We will bring you

:20:56. > :21:00.up-to-date with those results. We will also remember a legend of New

:21:01. > :21:06.Zealand Cricket, Martin Crowe, who died of cancer at the age of 53,

:21:07. > :21:10.arguably the country's best batsman, tribute across the world of cricket

:21:11. > :21:14.today for him, we will look back at his life and career. Also the latest

:21:15. > :21:17.on the world track cycling Championships, taking based in

:21:18. > :21:22.London, Sir Bradley Wiggins has been in action. And we will be hearing

:21:23. > :21:27.from Andy Murray as Britain gets ready to defend the Davis Cup tie

:21:28. > :21:31.against Japan. He has been speaking to the BBC and unsurprisingly the

:21:32. > :21:39.subject of his interview was mainly his new baby daughter, Sophia. He

:21:40. > :21:41.says it doesn't matter whether or not he wins another grand slam now

:21:42. > :21:44.because he has got something more important in his life, but he does

:21:45. > :21:47.want to make her proud both on and off the court. It is a lovely

:21:48. > :21:49.interview, tune in for that at 10am. But obviously we hope he keeps on

:21:50. > :21:51.winning as well! If trying to work out whether you'll

:21:52. > :21:55.be better off in or out of the EU has left you baffled,

:21:56. > :21:57.then it's no surprise. Almost every day we're getting

:21:58. > :21:59.completely contradictory claims from those on either side

:22:00. > :22:01.of the argument about everything from the price of food to the cost

:22:02. > :22:05.of flights and how much you'll pay Our political guru Norman Smith

:22:06. > :22:15.is here to help us Go one, then!

:22:16. > :22:18.The fingers, we spend a lot of time talking about the issues, about

:22:19. > :22:24.immigration, the single market, the city. But what will probably shape

:22:25. > :22:29.these opinions is the bread-and-butter issues, the daily

:22:30. > :22:32.household budgets. This is my take on how leaving or staying in the EU

:22:33. > :22:37.will affect some of the key bills that we face. The most important for

:22:38. > :22:41.many people will be jobs, because if you don't have a job, financially

:22:42. > :22:46.speaking, you are in trouble. Those who want us to stay in said 3

:22:47. > :22:51.million jobs are tied up in the EU, why put that at risk? We just heard

:22:52. > :22:55.on the news the boss of BMW writing to staff in the UK saying, be

:22:56. > :23:02.careful about this. Those who want to get out say, if we left, we would

:23:03. > :23:06.get rid of a lot of unnecessary regulation, we would become an

:23:07. > :23:12.Anglo-Saxon tiger, we could create more jobs. Secondary, I suppose,

:23:13. > :23:15.importantly to many people will be the weekly food shop, will the

:23:16. > :23:19.build-up of boiled down? The Government says if we leave the EU

:23:20. > :23:24.we will face tariffs to trade with them which will drive up food bills,

:23:25. > :23:29.and these are big tariffs. Yesterday they said dairy products could face

:23:30. > :23:40.a 36% tariff, confectionery up by 32%, W up by 20% -- W up by 20%.

:23:41. > :23:45.Those who want to get out say food bowls will go down by 7% a week

:23:46. > :23:47.because we won't have to bother with the Common Agricultural Policy,

:23:48. > :23:53.which they say keep food prices artificially high.

:23:54. > :23:57.Cheap flights, we all enjoy them these days. The boss of easyJet says

:23:58. > :24:02.if we get out then flying will once again be reserved for an elite bit

:24:03. > :24:06.of it will be harder to negotiate a deal to 27 different countries. But

:24:07. > :24:11.her rival, the boss of Ryanair, says, no, that is not true, there

:24:12. > :24:16.will be no airfare Armageddon, because little European towns don't

:24:17. > :24:20.want to lose out on British tourists going there.

:24:21. > :24:24.Lastly, mortgages, which are probably everyone's begins bill.

:24:25. > :24:29.Here, the Government say, look what happened when this campaign started.

:24:30. > :24:34.The pound fell straightaway to a seven-year low. In other words, the

:24:35. > :24:39.city will get the BG if we pull out, which means interest rates go up,

:24:40. > :24:43.which means mortgages go up -- the city will get the jitters. Those who

:24:44. > :24:47.want out say we don't want to be anywhere near the uber zone, near

:24:48. > :24:53.the risk of Greece spreading chaos to us, far better to be out -- near

:24:54. > :24:57.the eurozone. Those are some of the basic bread-and-butter issues, there

:24:58. > :25:01.are many more, pensions, petrol, there are a lot, but in a funny way

:25:02. > :25:03.that maybe what shapes how people vote.

:25:04. > :25:05.You have gone through a lot of issues there, let's try to answer

:25:06. > :25:07.some of the questions being raised. We can speak now to Mark Tanzer,

:25:08. > :25:10.who runs the Association of British Travel Agents,

:25:11. > :25:11.Rachel Rickard Straus, who's personal finance editor

:25:12. > :25:14.at This Is Money website, and Teni Shahiean,

:25:15. > :25:21.an immigration lawyer. Thank you all for coming in. Mark,

:25:22. > :25:25.the issue of flights, what is likely to happen to the cost of flights if

:25:26. > :25:30.we were to leave goes macro there are huge uncertainties as you have

:25:31. > :25:34.just said but buried in the forecast are the risks that they could go up.

:25:35. > :25:41.The most immediate risk is the value of the pound, the fact that airlines

:25:42. > :25:46.by their fuel in dollars and therefore when they buy forward

:25:47. > :25:48.Google it would be more expensive, feeding through to customers

:25:49. > :25:55.eventually if the pound stays where it is. Whether that is because of

:25:56. > :26:04.the referendum, how long ago last, nobody knows. What about wide issues

:26:05. > :26:10.like free European airspace? Is that something that could have an impact?

:26:11. > :26:14.I think it would. We have become used to a World Cup relatively

:26:15. > :26:19.low-cost airfares, which came about because of the opening of the

:26:20. > :26:22.European airfare market will stop until 1992, each country treated

:26:23. > :26:27.their airspace as their own domain, they could say what the prices would

:26:28. > :26:32.be, largely to protect their national carriers. Once that went,

:26:33. > :26:36.competition came in, costs came down and it opened of destinations that

:26:37. > :26:39.people could never have been two previously, which is important not

:26:40. > :26:46.just for holiday-makers but for people who have bought homes as

:26:47. > :26:50.well. If we were not in the EU, could we negotiate similar rights?

:26:51. > :26:53.It is a big unknown. But potentially could see the cost of air fare rise

:26:54. > :26:56.if we could not get free access. What a big unknown. But potentially

:26:57. > :26:59.could see the cost of airfare rise if we could not get free access.

:27:00. > :27:02.What about things like insurance? At the moment we have access to the

:27:03. > :27:08.European health-insurance card, not a very elegant name, that it means

:27:09. > :27:11.you can get access to medical treatment if you are in the EU. It

:27:12. > :27:16.is not the same as travel insurance, it doesn't cover private cover all

:27:17. > :27:20.bring in new home after an accident but it is an important asset to

:27:21. > :27:25.have. If we were not there, you might have to pay for that

:27:26. > :27:29.assistance in an EU country, and also the cost of travel insurance

:27:30. > :27:34.would go up because a lot of travel insurer said if you have the EHIC

:27:35. > :27:37.then you do not have to pay the excess because the early costs would

:27:38. > :27:41.be covered by that insurance. Rachel, talk to us about personal

:27:42. > :27:47.finance, roaming charges first of all? For so many years now we have

:27:48. > :27:52.had these horror stories about shock bills when people go abroad and use

:27:53. > :27:57.their phones, people downloading one episode of the apprentice and it

:27:58. > :28:04.costs hundreds of pounds, or calling home and paying ?50 to check on the

:28:05. > :28:10.cat! This is due to end now, so in April these will be cut for everyone

:28:11. > :28:17.across Europe, 5% is the most we will be charged -- 5 cents is the

:28:18. > :28:22.most will be charged for a minute phone call, too sensible text

:28:23. > :28:27.message, and by June it will be gone completely. You will be able to call

:28:28. > :28:30.anywhere the EU and if you are on a phone plan it will be included in

:28:31. > :28:36.your minutes, which is brilliant. What will happen when we are out is

:28:37. > :28:42.very unclear. The reason why we are having all of these changes is down

:28:43. > :28:46.to EU directives. It is not the goodness of the phone companies

:28:47. > :28:51.deciding to give us lower bills, it is the EU saying this is what has to

:28:52. > :28:55.happen. I am not saying it has been a perfect process, it has taken

:28:56. > :29:00.years to get a consensus across the EU to finally get these benefits for

:29:01. > :29:08.EU citizens. So potentially it could go overnight, but potentially maybe

:29:09. > :29:13.not? Would consumers take that? Phone companies are competing for

:29:14. > :29:20.business between each other, so if they see that this is the key issue

:29:21. > :29:22.for consumers, then arguably they wouldn't remove it overnight.

:29:23. > :29:28.Certainly the changes that have come in already -- that will come in this

:29:29. > :29:34.year in April, will they backtrack? I'm not sure. But the changes due to

:29:35. > :29:38.come in in 2017, after the vote, are still up for grabs. What about the

:29:39. > :29:43.issues of subsidies and tariffs, would bills go up or down? It

:29:44. > :29:47.absolutely depends on the agreements that we come up with for the

:29:48. > :29:51.tariffs, that is one issue. The other issue is the value of

:29:52. > :29:55.sterling. When you look around the supermarket at the type of products

:29:56. > :29:59.that we buy, a lot of them will say, made in Britain, grown in the UK,

:30:00. > :30:05.but the majority are grown abroad. What happens is, when we are buying

:30:06. > :30:11.products from abroad, we are not buying them in pounds, we buy them

:30:12. > :30:15.in euros, dollars, whichever currency is in the country where we

:30:16. > :30:21.are buying, and we sell in sterling. If the value of the pound continues

:30:22. > :30:26.to fall, and it looks like that is a realistic proposition, certainly in

:30:27. > :30:29.the run-up because there is such uncertainty about what will happen

:30:30. > :30:34.over the next few months, and people get worried about the state of the

:30:35. > :30:39.UK economy, so if we see a fall in the value of the pound then it just

:30:40. > :30:44.gets more expensive for retailers to buy food from abroad, and of course

:30:45. > :30:51.it gets passed on to us as consumers. Teni, immigration, EU

:30:52. > :30:57.citizens living here, UK citizens living elsewhere in Europe, what

:30:58. > :31:00.would happen? It is a big question, we are not entirely sure and it

:31:01. > :31:07.would depend on what agreement comes up if we leave Europe. It wouldn't

:31:08. > :31:11.be an overnight thing that people would have to suddenly upped sticks?

:31:12. > :31:15.I don't think it would be an overnight thing, it would take some

:31:16. > :31:20.time to negotiate on what terms they are going to come out of Europe, and

:31:21. > :31:25.during that time I think they would remain as what the legislation

:31:26. > :31:29.currently is, so this is all a big question, we are not sure exactly

:31:30. > :31:33.what is going to happen after that. So you would expect a status is to

:31:34. > :31:40.stay the same, so UK citizens living elsewhere in the EU would be able to

:31:41. > :31:45.stay but others wouldn't? How long would that take to fresh out? Under

:31:46. > :31:51.the treaty it is two years minimum for them to negotiate some sort of

:31:52. > :31:55.agreement. Whether it will take two years or a longer time is not clear.

:31:56. > :32:00.I guess one of the things that striketh strikes me is the

:32:01. > :32:03.uncertainty. It will affect Brits going to live and work abroad

:32:04. > :32:07.because they won't quite know whether they are going to be

:32:08. > :32:10.guaranteed access to certain benefits and employment rights and

:32:11. > :32:13.so on. There would be that slight unease about, do they really want to

:32:14. > :32:17.take the risk of, I don't know, working in France, Germany or

:32:18. > :32:20.whenever, when everything is so fluid. So maybe it will actually

:32:21. > :32:25.impact on the readiness of people from here to go and work in the rest

:32:26. > :32:30.of Europe? Certainly, it's the complete unknown. We have had a very

:32:31. > :32:35.large number of applications from Europeans who're living and working

:32:36. > :32:38.here to apply for permanent residency and British citizenship,

:32:39. > :32:41.so the Home Office nationality department has had a massive up

:32:42. > :32:45.surge in their applications and it's all in the hope that they can get

:32:46. > :32:52.the citizenship and not have any worries in the long run of whether

:32:53. > :32:55.they can vote in the referendum. To round things up, Norman, the

:32:56. > :32:59.French Finance Minister's been talking about the potential impact

:33:00. > :33:04.on immigration and trade if the UK were to leave. It will be music to

:33:05. > :33:09.the ears of the remain campaign? Downing Street will be absolutely

:33:10. > :33:13.delighted. The French Finance Minister is saying in effect if we

:33:14. > :33:16.leave, the current deal whereby the British border is effectively

:33:17. > :33:21.policed along Calais and the French coast, so we have the Jungle in

:33:22. > :33:24.France, that will be up for grabs and quite possibly, as David

:33:25. > :33:29.Cameron's previously suggested, we could find camps on the south coast

:33:30. > :33:32.of the UK. More than that, he's questioned about whether we'll get

:33:33. > :33:34.access to the single markets, all the things that David Cameron's

:33:35. > :33:40.said. One thing that struck me listening to everyone is, so much is

:33:41. > :33:45.going to depend on "the deal" and the deals that are negotiated. If we

:33:46. > :33:49.leave, we may get better deals, if we stay, we may get worse deals. The

:33:50. > :33:53.French may decide not to police the border any more if we leave, they

:33:54. > :33:56.might say, you can deal with it. On the other hand, they may take the

:33:57. > :34:00.view that if they allow refugees and migrants to travel through, France

:34:01. > :34:03.will become much more of a magnet for migrants and refugees who'll

:34:04. > :34:06.want to get to Britain, so rather than having 4,000 people in Calais,

:34:07. > :34:10.you could end up with tens of thousands. There's a lot of

:34:11. > :34:15.political self-calculation and when you try to answer all the questions,

:34:16. > :34:21.so much depends on the nature of those eye Bam-to-eye ball deals that

:34:22. > :34:27.will have to be done if we pull out. -- eye ball to eye ball. Thank you

:34:28. > :34:31.all very much. Lots of you getting in touch on the conversation that we

:34:32. > :34:34.were having about the difficulties for teenagers growing up and the

:34:35. > :34:39.angst arriving, not least out of the pressures from social media. Rachel

:34:40. > :34:43.texted to say, my daughter had more than 1,000 friends on Facebook but

:34:44. > :34:46.actually only had six true friends. Kids ought to consider why they have

:34:47. > :34:50.to be in competition online to have the most friends and be careful

:34:51. > :34:54.about what they post. James tweeted to say, I'm 22 and have experienced

:34:55. > :34:58.similar issues growing up. I deleted all my social media accounts and

:34:59. > :35:03.have never been happier. Bob tweeted to say the young folk that by their

:35:04. > :35:06.difference tell the young folk that by their difference they are unique,

:35:07. > :35:14.same is boring. Celebrate the positive, he says. Caton, how they

:35:15. > :35:17.are, issing in to do with anyone else, they are showing themselveses

:35:18. > :35:21.to be caring big hearted young people, no need to care what others

:35:22. > :35:25.think of them, be proud to be beautiful, you've done it.

:35:26. > :35:27.He's best known for box office hits such as Pretty Woman

:35:28. > :35:30.and American Gigolo, but for his latest film Richard Gere

:35:31. > :35:33.poses as a down-and-out on the streets of New York

:35:34. > :35:35.to highlight the plight of homelessness.

:35:36. > :35:37.Cameras were hidden from public view during the filming

:35:38. > :35:40.of Time Out Of Mind, and the Hollywood actor sat

:35:41. > :35:43.on street corners begging for up to 45 minutes at a time

:35:44. > :35:47.He's a long time campaigner against homelessness and 10%

:35:48. > :35:50.of the film's UK profits are being donated to the charities

:35:51. > :35:54.Mr Gere is in London meeting with young homeless people,

:35:55. > :35:57.and he spoke to us about why he feels so passionately

:35:58. > :35:59.about the issue and shared his thoughts on the American

:36:00. > :36:11.Are you and have you been addicted to any legal or illegal substances?

:36:12. > :36:20.How about family, have you got family?

:36:21. > :36:24.# For you, I've lived, for you I will die.

:36:25. > :36:39.Well, here you go, turn around on these kids, these are two

:36:40. > :36:51.I'm Brooke Morgan, vice chair of Centerpoint Parliament.

:36:52. > :36:53.And she has no sense of herself at all.

:36:54. > :36:58.Let me stop you there, I want to be a director!

:36:59. > :37:01.You're sick in the head, you're not well, you don't

:37:02. > :37:03.like yourself, you're depressed, you don't believe in yourself,

:37:04. > :37:05.so what is society supposed to do with you?

:37:06. > :37:11.The movie is quite a gentle portrayal of homelessness,

:37:12. > :37:14.I thought, in that your character is a gentle man, who is disconnected

:37:15. > :37:19.from society, and grappling with that issue of someone

:37:20. > :37:30.Yes, I mean, the choice was early on, and I've been involved with this

:37:31. > :37:33.thing, developing it, for 12 years, and I didn't want to sensationalise

:37:34. > :37:35.this at all, I didn't think that was helpful.

:37:36. > :37:39.And I don't even think it was the best way of making this

:37:40. > :37:45.movie, and the choice was made not to play a cliche of a character

:37:46. > :37:50.like this, who is flamboyantly mentally ill, or acting out.

:37:51. > :37:53.I thought it was much more interesting to play someone

:37:54. > :38:03.It's my bed, it's my bed, they gave it to me,

:38:04. > :38:33.What's the matter, are you afraid of me, newbie?

:38:34. > :38:40.There is something strangely monk-like about this character.

:38:41. > :38:45.He gets frustrated, like we all do, but this is not someone who is angry

:38:46. > :38:51.at the world, angry at God, he's someone who is slightly out

:38:52. > :38:56.of time, out of time and space, who is looking,

:38:57. > :39:00.whether he could articulate it or not, to penetrate an existential

:39:01. > :39:05.crisis that, basically, we all have, it's lurking there for all of us.

:39:06. > :39:07.Have you had existential crises?

:39:08. > :39:11.There's four of us in this room here, right now,

:39:12. > :39:15.But maybe the cameraman has not had...

:39:16. > :39:19.Of course, everyone has asked the question, who am I,

:39:20. > :39:25.what am I, why any of this, what is reality?

:39:26. > :39:30.And the way we articulate that in the movie is a question of identity.

:39:31. > :39:36.He has to have papers that prove if he even exists.

:39:37. > :39:40.It can be two recent utility bills with your name and address.

:39:41. > :39:43.I don't have an address, I'm really sorry.

:39:44. > :39:51.At the moment, I do not have a home, at the moment.

:39:52. > :39:53.You need a letter from a government agency, dated within

:39:54. > :39:56.the last six months - taxes, social security...

:39:57. > :40:00.But do you feel like you connected with that sense of somebody

:40:01. > :40:03.being invisible when you were actually filming the movie?

:40:04. > :40:06.Because you did it on long lenses, you, Richard Gere, a man

:40:07. > :40:09.who would presumably normally walk down the street and people

:40:10. > :40:14.I was really anxious about it, I didn't know if it would work,

:40:15. > :40:16.and I was producing the movie, I didn't know, I thought

:40:17. > :40:20.we would get ten or 15 seconds before I was recognised, but I said,

:40:21. > :40:24.look, I think we can live with that, if we can get ten or 15 seconds

:40:25. > :40:29.The first shot we did, which is actually in the movie,

:40:30. > :40:32.towards the end of the movie, I came out to Astor Place,

:40:33. > :40:34.the cameras were hidden, as they were for the entire movie,

:40:35. > :40:37.so nobody saw that, and we did a 45 minute shot of me standing

:40:38. > :40:41.in New York City, in a very busy place, and no one recognised me.

:40:42. > :40:49.I don't think there is any of us who could not feel the possibility

:40:50. > :40:55.of letting go, and everything could fall apart, that sense

:40:56. > :41:01.of the fragility of our reality structure, and how paper-thin our

:41:02. > :41:13.I'm homeless, I don't have a home, I've got no home, I'm homeless!

:41:14. > :41:34.They think we're clowns, we're cartoons!

:41:35. > :41:38.OK, I'm a clown now, OK, I'm a cartoon.

:41:39. > :41:42.I know that you have donated to the Hillary Clinton campaign...

:41:43. > :41:47.Well, it's out there, I do my research!

:41:48. > :41:52.It's now looking like it is going to be a contest probably

:41:53. > :41:55.between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, although

:41:56. > :42:00.I wondered what your perspective is on Donald Trump,

:42:01. > :42:05.because there was a case last year when a homeless guy was attacked

:42:06. > :42:08.in Boston, by two men who said that they were inspired

:42:09. > :42:10.to attack him because of the words Donald Trump had been

:42:11. > :42:15.I wondered what you might think of the way he has

:42:16. > :42:25.It is hard to imagine someone like that being president

:42:26. > :42:28.of the United States, who is totally ill-equipped on every

:42:29. > :42:37.To be in a position of authority and inspiration for people.

:42:38. > :42:40.So I don't think it's going to happen, and it is kind

:42:41. > :42:43.of like everyone's nightmare that it might happen, but we

:42:44. > :43:20.Brooke Morgan, you are on the Centerpoint Parliament.

:43:21. > :43:24.Centerpoint obviously does a huge amount for the homeless,

:43:25. > :43:29.thousands of people living homeless on the streets of London.

:43:30. > :43:35.I think I am just the voice of people who don't really

:43:36. > :43:40.So you had issues at home, and ended up moving out of the home?

:43:41. > :43:44.Yes, initially to my grandmother's house, and then that became really

:43:45. > :43:48.unstable, because the help I wanted was from my mum,

:43:49. > :43:56.But it got to a stage where I just wasn't talking, wasn't eating,

:43:57. > :44:03.Obviously, a lot of kids end up living on the streets.

:44:04. > :44:06.You know friends who have ended up in that situation, don't you?

:44:07. > :44:09.Yes, very rough, places like this, even, and buses, tubes,

:44:10. > :44:15.And you are staying in a shelter right now?

:44:16. > :44:22.So are the other people staying there, have they come from,

:44:23. > :44:25.obviously, all sorts of environments?

:44:26. > :44:29.A few of them, but I know the vast majority of them

:44:30. > :44:35.I feel really bad, on my part, because there is not really a lot

:44:36. > :44:41.But with raising awareness, I think we can conquer

:44:42. > :44:55.Coming up, Andy Murray tablings to BBC Sport about being a father ahead

:44:56. > :44:58.of Britain beginning its defence of the Davis Cup. -- talks to BBC

:44:59. > :45:07.Sport. It's been a cold start to the day.

:45:08. > :45:11.We have some beautiful pictures from our weather-watchers to show you

:45:12. > :45:14.this morning. Lovely sun rise in Staffordshire.

:45:15. > :45:21.We have a beautiful start to the day here in Devon. Look at the lovely

:45:22. > :45:25.colours. This is an interesting one as well from Wiltshire, beautiful

:45:26. > :45:30.again, sun rise, a rainbow going on there as well. Lovely clear skies in

:45:31. > :45:33.Northamptonshire this morning. Different weather compared to

:45:34. > :45:37.yesterday and we still do have some lying snow this morning across

:45:38. > :45:41.County Durham, as you can see there. But lovely blue skies. The weather

:45:42. > :45:45.is quieter today compared to yesterday. Fewer showers, lighter

:45:46. > :45:49.winds, and although the temperatures are similar in value, because of the

:45:50. > :45:58.lighter winds, it won't feel as cold as it did yesterday.

:45:59. > :46:03.We have some scattered showers, a line of showers drifting towards

:46:04. > :46:06.Wales and the Midlands, the Pennines, eastern Scotland through

:46:07. > :46:10.the day, and later on you can see the next line of rain coming our way

:46:11. > :46:13.in from the West. Through the afternoon it will fringe in across

:46:14. > :46:17.the Isles of Scilly and Cornwall, the cloud will build a header that

:46:18. > :46:22.committee could see the odd shower but a game back into the sunny

:46:23. > :46:25.skies. Sunshine the parts of Wales, thicker cloud around Cardigan Bay

:46:26. > :46:31.with one or two showers, the rain moving across Northern Ireland,

:46:32. > :46:35.slower than we thought this morning. For much of Scotland it will be a

:46:36. > :46:39.dry day, could catch the odd shower in the east through the afternoon,

:46:40. > :46:42.as you could across parts of north-east England. You will be

:46:43. > :46:47.unlucky to catch one in north-west England, but we will see them across

:46:48. > :46:51.the Midlands, not all of us catching one, and a lovely afternoon across

:46:52. > :46:56.East Anglia and the south-east. From the Midlands down to the Isle of

:46:57. > :47:00.Wight, we could see the odd shower. Over the front in the West will

:47:01. > :47:04.continue to drift eastwards into tomorrow, there it is, the rain will

:47:05. > :47:09.be heavy and persistent at times, and as it engages with colder

:47:10. > :47:13.conditions overnight, it will readily fall as snow, especially on

:47:14. > :47:18.higher ground, but we could see some of that at lower levels across the

:47:19. > :47:20.North Midlands, the Pennines and northern England, south-west

:47:21. > :47:26.Scotland, Northern Ireland and North Wales as well. But it is just a risk

:47:27. > :47:30.of that snow at low levels at this stage. However, better to be aware

:47:31. > :47:33.of it, and it may have ramifications for your journey first thing

:47:34. > :47:39.tomorrow morning. As we go through the rest of the day, you can see

:47:40. > :47:43.that we have got this cloud, it is a weather front producing the rain and

:47:44. > :47:46.also the snow. As temperatures rise through the course of the day, the

:47:47. > :47:51.snow level will as well further into the hills, you can see it coming

:47:52. > :47:55.across Wales. I had fact, some sunshine, behind it a mixture of

:47:56. > :48:00.sunshine and showers, some of the showers will be wintry in nature. As

:48:01. > :48:04.we head into Saturday, a northerly or north-easterly wind will it feel

:48:05. > :48:08.cold, we will eventually lose the rain from the south-east, then a day

:48:09. > :48:12.of sunshine and showers, some of the showers wintry again, and into

:48:13. > :48:15.Sunday similar in the sense that it will be called within northerly

:48:16. > :48:19.wind, but a lot of dry weather or until later in the day when we see

:48:20. > :48:23.the next frontal system coming in from the West.

:48:24. > :48:26.Hello, it's Thursday, it's 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling -

:48:27. > :48:28.welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:48:29. > :48:32.Internet trolls who create fake social media profiles could end up

:48:33. > :48:38.If they use it to harrass or put out images that can cause alarm

:48:39. > :48:41.or distress to the victim, those are the sort of cases we can

:48:42. > :49:03.Would migrants in Calais be allowed to travel and checked to Britain if

:49:04. > :49:04.we voted to leave the EU? That is what one senior French politician is

:49:05. > :49:08.saying, but is it an empty threat? And the survival story that inspired

:49:09. > :49:10.a Hollywood blockbuster - we have the first UK interview

:49:11. > :49:17.with one of the survivors of a plane crash in the Andes 40 years ago

:49:18. > :49:21.who had to eat his friends' dead A French minister says migrants

:49:22. > :49:32.could be allowed to travel unchecked to the UK if Britain chooses

:49:33. > :49:35.to leave the European Union. Leave campaigners say the warning

:49:36. > :49:45.is ludicrous and not backed up Migration will be discussed today by

:49:46. > :49:49.David Cameron and the French president. The president of the

:49:50. > :49:53.European Council, Donald Tusk, has made a wrecked appeal to economic

:49:54. > :50:02.migrants, telling them, do not come to Europe -- made a direct appeal.

:50:03. > :50:06.Appeal to all illegal social economic migrants, wherever you are

:50:07. > :50:14.from, do not come to Europe. Do not believe the smugglers. Do not risk

:50:15. > :50:20.your lives and your money, it is all for nothing. Grease and any other

:50:21. > :50:23.European country will no longer be a transit country. The Schengen rules

:50:24. > :50:25.will enter into force again. The German car manufacturer BMW has

:50:26. > :50:28.emailed its UK staff to highlight what it sees as the risks

:50:29. > :50:31.to the company from Britain BMW, which owns Mini

:50:32. > :50:34.and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars, says a British exit would mean

:50:35. > :50:36.higher costs and prices, Vote Leave campaigners dismiss it

:50:37. > :50:43.as "scare-mongering". Turkish police in Istanbul have

:50:44. > :50:46.surrounded a building where two women who attacked a police

:50:47. > :50:48.headquarters are thought The authorities say the pair

:50:49. > :50:58.they threw grenades and opened fire at a riot police HQ centre, but

:50:59. > :51:00.no-one was wounded. Internet trolls who create fake

:51:01. > :51:03.social media profiles could find themselves in court under proposed

:51:04. > :51:04.guidelines for prosecutors The Crown Prosecution Service says

:51:05. > :51:11.adults should be charged if they use fake social media IDs

:51:12. > :51:14.to harass others. North Korea has launched several

:51:15. > :51:19.short-range missiles into the sea. It came hours after the UN announced

:51:20. > :51:22.tough sanctions against the country. The measures were passed in response

:51:23. > :51:26.to Pyongyang's recent nuclear tests. The killers of Bristol teenager

:51:27. > :51:28.Becky Watts were granted more than ?400,000 in legal aid,

:51:29. > :51:31.according to a Freedom Nathan Matthews was jailed for life

:51:32. > :51:38.and his girlfriend Shauna Hoare Scientists are warning

:51:39. > :51:46.about the dangers of a new plant disease which could be more

:51:47. > :51:48.devastating than ash dieback. The bacteria has caused severe

:51:49. > :51:51.damage to plants and trees in the US and southern Europe,

:51:52. > :51:55.and could soon arrive in the UK. Let's catch up with all the sport

:51:56. > :51:58.now and join Katherine Downes. The surprises in the Premier League

:51:59. > :52:00.title race just keep The biggest winners

:52:01. > :52:05.in the Premier League last night were Leicester -

:52:06. > :52:09.and they weren't even playing. Their three main title rivals,

:52:10. > :52:14.Tottenham, Arsenal and Manchester City, were all beaten,

:52:15. > :52:16.leaving Leicester three points clear Spurs could have been top

:52:17. > :52:22.of the table this morning. Chasing their first title in more

:52:23. > :52:24.than half a century, Third-place Arsenal

:52:25. > :52:31.lost 2-1 to Swansea. They were booed off

:52:32. > :52:36.by fans at the Emirates. And Manchester City's 13-year wait

:52:37. > :52:47.for a win at Anfield goes on. Sometimes you have a bad night like

:52:48. > :52:54.today and it is difficult to play. But we need to be positive, we need

:52:55. > :52:57.to be positive, improved. I believe we were really unlucky in our

:52:58. > :53:04.finishing, really unlucky as well with some decisions today, and on

:53:05. > :53:12.top of that we had two macro shots on target in the whole game. If you

:53:13. > :53:15.ask me, the team was not recovered from the last week, it was an

:53:16. > :53:21.intensive week, Champions League away, coming back on Thursday at

:53:22. > :53:24.4am, after that 120 minutes in the final of the Capital One Cup.

:53:25. > :53:26.One of New Zealand's greatest cricketers, Martin Crowe,

:53:27. > :53:30.He scored 17 centuries and over 5400 runs.

:53:31. > :53:33.Crowe captained New Zealand in 16 tests and was widely regarded

:53:34. > :53:39.He was named one of Wisden's Cricketers of the Year in 1985

:53:40. > :53:45.and was player of the tournament in the 1992 World Cup.

:53:46. > :53:52.There was a good start for Great Britain and Sir Bradley

:53:53. > :53:54.Wiggins in the men's team pursuit on day one

:53:55. > :53:57.of the World Track Cycling Championships in London.

:53:58. > :54:01.They qualified fastest, which means they'll ride off this

:54:02. > :54:03.afternoon against Italy, who were fourth

:54:04. > :54:05.fastest, for a place in tonight's final.

:54:06. > :54:08.There'll be live coverage of that race, and the whole afternoon's

:54:09. > :54:11.Andy Murray says he's motivated to succeed on court

:54:12. > :54:14.in order to make his new baby daughter proud.

:54:15. > :54:16.The tennis world number two became a father three weeks ago.

:54:17. > :54:19.Speaking ahead of tomorrow's first round Davis Cup tie against Japan,

:54:20. > :54:25.he says he's adjusting to life as a parent.

:54:26. > :54:33.I always wanted to become a parent, and it's been everything that I've

:54:34. > :54:40.imagined so far. It's been great, and I said the other day, obviously,

:54:41. > :54:45.I want to try to be a good dad, the best that I can be, and when she

:54:46. > :54:49.grows up I would also like her to be proud of her death as well, so I'll

:54:50. > :54:53.be trying my best to do that on and off the court -- to be proud of her

:54:54. > :54:56.dad as well. How's this as a way

:54:57. > :54:58.to make your mark? An 11-year-old boy stole the show

:54:59. > :55:02.at the opening of a new golf course co-designed by Tiger Woods

:55:03. > :55:05.when he hit a hole in one. South Texas PGA junior

:55:06. > :55:08.Taylor Crozier stepped up to the first tee at The Playgrounds

:55:09. > :55:10.at Bluejack National, and knocked in the inaugural shot

:55:11. > :55:13.on the 81-yard par 3, sending the crowd -

:55:14. > :55:23.and Woods - wild. Tiger Woods himself could do with a

:55:24. > :55:25.bit of that form, out injured at the moment, but a hole in one from that

:55:26. > :55:29.youngster, great stuff. Hello, thank you for

:55:30. > :55:31.joining us this morning. Welcome to the programme

:55:32. > :55:34.if you've just joined us - we're on BBC Two and the BBC

:55:35. > :55:36.News Channel until 11am. Thanks for all your comments

:55:37. > :55:38.following our discussion about the increase in children

:55:39. > :55:45.and young people feeling Ellie has e-mailed to say, by card

:55:46. > :55:50.these teenagers come off social media? Surely they can live without

:55:51. > :55:55.it. This is what their peers, parents and teachers should

:55:56. > :55:59.encourage kids to wean themselves off social media.

:56:00. > :56:00.A tweet, people who write nasty things are nasty people, just

:56:01. > :56:03.remember you are good, they are not. You can get in touch

:56:04. > :56:06.in the usual ways - If you text, you will be charged

:56:07. > :56:10.at the standard network rate. Wherever you are you can

:56:11. > :56:12.watch our programme online - via the BBC News app or our website,

:56:13. > :56:15.bbc.co.uk/victoria. Setting up a fake social media

:56:16. > :56:19.profile could result in criminal charges according to new guidance

:56:20. > :56:21.being considered for prosecutors. The Crown Prosecution Service

:56:22. > :56:25.believes the change will allow tougher action against those

:56:26. > :56:28.who pose as someone else online with the purpose of threatening

:56:29. > :56:33.or harassing others. This is the latest in a series

:56:34. > :56:41.of changes to guidelines for prosecutors, with the aim

:56:42. > :56:43.of keeping them up-to-date A little earlier this morning

:56:44. > :56:47.I spoke to Alison Saunders, So adults should be charged

:56:48. > :56:52.in future if they use fake social media IDs to harass someone

:56:53. > :56:55.or to cause them harm. The guidance that we've just

:56:56. > :57:02.introduced for consultation says that the prosecutors really must

:57:03. > :57:08.have more awareness of what might go on on the internet, in cases

:57:09. > :57:14.where people use and set up false addresses, false e-mail

:57:15. > :57:21.identities or Facebook pages If they use that for

:57:22. > :57:24.criminal offences, then that means we can

:57:25. > :57:26.prosecute them. So if they use it to harass people,

:57:27. > :57:30.if they use it to, perhaps... We have seen cases where they put

:57:31. > :57:33.out online images, which might cause harassment or alarm or distress

:57:34. > :57:37.to the victims, those are the sorts of cases that we can look at now,

:57:38. > :57:40.and use the legislation So has there been

:57:41. > :57:43.a loophole until now? The guidelines are really

:57:44. > :57:45.about different ways in which criminality is committed,

:57:46. > :57:48.making sure that prosecutors are aware that they should be

:57:49. > :57:54.looking at both online There are new offences,

:57:55. > :57:57.so the revenge pornography offence, that very much allows us to use

:57:58. > :58:00.the evidence from the internet. Likewise, in domestic abuse,

:58:01. > :58:02.coercive and controlling behaviour, So can you give us some examples

:58:03. > :58:10.of cases where this hasn't been a factor, where it probably should

:58:11. > :58:15.have done, or could have been? We have had cases where people have

:58:16. > :58:17.set up false identities They have pretended, for example,

:58:18. > :58:23.that they were an au pair, in one case, and befriended other

:58:24. > :58:27.women on the internet, then when they have arrived to meet,

:58:28. > :58:30.having been persuaded to do so by the au pair,

:58:31. > :58:33.discovered it was a man. He persuaded them to get

:58:34. > :58:37.into the car, by saying he was their Facebook friend's

:58:38. > :58:40.friend, and then drove them So lots of examples where people

:58:41. > :58:43.have been groomed online, and then when they've met people,

:58:44. > :58:46.and they were not who Likewise, we've had people who set

:58:47. > :59:06.up false identities in order to post pictures of,

:59:07. > :59:07.normally, ex-partners, in order to cause them

:59:08. > :59:10.distress and alarm as well, embarrassment with their friends

:59:11. > :59:12.and family and work colleagues. In the first example you give,

:59:13. > :59:14.if somebody is ultimately raped, then there is a clear crime

:59:15. > :59:17.there that can be prosecuted anyway. So why does this bring an added

:59:18. > :59:21.element to a prosecution in a case This brings an added element,

:59:22. > :59:25.because it may be that they don't get to that end state,

:59:26. > :59:27.so we can still have If it is harassment,

:59:28. > :59:31.we can prosecute them for harassment So it is about prosecutors really

:59:32. > :59:35.being aware of all the different ways in which offending

:59:36. > :59:36.might be committed. In some cases, it will just be

:59:37. > :59:41.the pure internet conduct that we are able to use,

:59:42. > :59:44.and of course what it does is gives us very good evidence,

:59:45. > :59:46.because there is a footprint left on the internet, which we

:59:47. > :59:49.can use as evidence. And what sort of sentences

:59:50. > :59:51.could be used in cases It very much depends

:59:52. > :59:55.on the type of offending, so in some of the cases

:59:56. > :59:58.where we have seen revenge pornography, people

:59:59. > :00:03.have gone to prison. In other cases where we have

:00:04. > :00:08.seen harassment, again, it depends on the severity of that,

:00:09. > :00:11.but it could be an imprisonable offence, so this is serious conduct

:00:12. > :00:14.that we are talking about. The reason, obviously,

:00:15. > :00:16.that people set up fake social media identities is so that people

:00:17. > :00:18.don't know who they are. What you are talking about is,

:00:19. > :00:22.at the end, when someone has been caught and they are prosecuted,

:00:23. > :00:24.are you confident that there are the resources in place

:00:25. > :00:28.to actually get to that stage? Yes, the investigators,

:00:29. > :00:37.the police have got trained specialists that can work

:00:38. > :00:38.with internet companies We can use that evidence,

:00:39. > :00:42.and sometimes people use it not so much to hide their identity,

:00:43. > :00:45.but to draw people to their website. So if I pretend to be you,

:00:46. > :00:49.then there would be more people that would look at your Facebook page

:00:50. > :00:53.or Twitter account than mine. And you can hijack it by using it

:00:54. > :00:56.to post pictures that might cause You've said that children should

:00:57. > :00:59.rarely be prosecuted, because of their lack

:01:00. > :01:03.of adult judgment. How would you define the age

:01:04. > :01:05.from which somebody should certainly be prosecuted, an age

:01:06. > :01:08.where perhaps they shouldn't be, and also how clear is

:01:09. > :01:29.the guidance in that area? The Code tells the prosecutors to

:01:30. > :01:32.look at the individual and their maturity, exactly how much they knew

:01:33. > :01:36.that they were doing, so, for example, if you have got a very

:01:37. > :01:39.mature 12-year-old, that might be very different from an immature

:01:40. > :01:58.15-year-old, so it really does depend on the individual case.

:01:59. > :02:02.And what sort of sentences could be used in cases

:02:03. > :02:06.It very much depends on the type of offending,

:02:07. > :02:09.so in some of the cases where we have seen revenge

:02:10. > :02:10.pornography, people have gone to prison.

:02:11. > :02:13.In other cases where we have seen harassment, again,

:02:14. > :02:16.it depends on the severity of that, but it could be an imprisonable

:02:17. > :02:18.offence, so this is serious conduct that we are talking about.

:02:19. > :02:21.The reason, obviously, that people set up fake social media

:02:22. > :02:23.identities is so that people don't know who they are.

:02:24. > :02:26.What you are talking about is, at the end, when someone has been

:02:27. > :02:30.caught and they are prosecuted, are you confident that there

:02:31. > :02:33.are the resources in place to actually get to that stage?

:02:34. > :02:35.Yes, the investigators, the police have got trained

:02:36. > :02:38.specialists that can work with internet companies

:02:39. > :02:42.We can use that evidence, and sometimes people use it not

:02:43. > :02:45.so much to hide their identity, but to draw people to their website.

:02:46. > :02:48.So if I pretend to be you, then there would be more people that

:02:49. > :02:51.would look at your Facebook page or Twitter account than mine.

:02:52. > :02:54.And you can hijack it by using it to post pictures that might cause

:02:55. > :02:57.You've said that children should rarely be prosecuted,

:02:58. > :03:18.because of their lack of adult judgment.

:03:19. > :03:23.I think sometimes people don't recognise what they do online is an

:03:24. > :03:34.offence because it's so quick and immediate.

:03:35. > :03:41.You perhaps don't know, so perhaps this will deter people. I want to

:03:42. > :03:45.ask you about the impact of the criminal justice system on victims

:03:46. > :03:48.because it's a subject often discussed, victims say they feel

:03:49. > :03:51.they are treated as criminals themselves when they have to go

:03:52. > :03:55.through that process. Yesterday, we had the case of Adam Johnson and the

:03:56. > :04:00.victim in that case has said that she's gone through the worst year of

:04:01. > :04:04.her life, she always felt people wouldn't believe her, people didn't

:04:05. > :04:08.believe her, she then goes through a trial where the defence case is that

:04:09. > :04:13.he is a man who should be believed and she is lying. Is that an

:04:14. > :04:17.inevitable part of a criminal prosecution or are there ways that

:04:18. > :04:21.the system could be changed to make things a bit easier for victims,

:04:22. > :04:27.taking into account the sensitivities?

:04:28. > :04:30.Certainly there are ways in which we have tried to change

:04:31. > :04:33.the system to make it easier for victims.

:04:34. > :04:36.So I issued a guidance for prosecutors late last year,

:04:37. > :04:39.and we have had some pilots going on about talking to victims

:04:40. > :04:43.and witnesses before they give evidence, to make sure

:04:44. > :04:46.that they understand what might happen, put them at their ease

:04:47. > :04:48.as much as we possibly can, and making sure that prosecutors

:04:49. > :04:51.are very aware that victims don't want to be in that situation.

:04:52. > :04:54.So they haven't chosen to be in the criminal justice system,

:04:55. > :04:56.they are there because of something that has happened to them,

:04:57. > :04:59.and making sure that we are as empathetic as possible.

:05:00. > :05:02.There are rules in the court room, it is an adversarial system,

:05:03. > :05:05.so it is the defence's right to be able to challenge the evidence,

:05:06. > :05:08.but there are now many more ways in which judges intervene to make

:05:09. > :05:11.sure that the experience is not as bad as it could be,

:05:12. > :05:13.so what we used to see years ago, haranguing cross-examination that

:05:14. > :05:16.went on for days on end, that actually no longer happens.

:05:17. > :05:18.The judges have the ability to, and do, control

:05:19. > :05:21.the cross-examination to try and make it as easy as it possibly

:05:22. > :05:25.But the trial process is questioning their evidence

:05:26. > :05:29.and putting the defence case, so we have got lots of ways

:05:30. > :05:31.in which we can help victims through that, special measures,

:05:32. > :05:35.they can go behind screens, or from a remote video link,

:05:36. > :05:42.talk to the applicant beforehand, but at the end of the day

:05:43. > :05:46.Talk to the advocate beforehand, but at the end of the day, it's the

:05:47. > :05:47.defence's right to challenge the defendants.

:05:48. > :06:03.New guidance being considered for prosecutors. Let's talk more about

:06:04. > :06:07.that with Ellie Flynn, a victim of cat fishing. Her name and photograph

:06:08. > :06:11.were stolen by someone and used to set up fake profiles on dating and

:06:12. > :06:16.social media sites. Thanks for joining us. Tell us what happened?

:06:17. > :06:22.It started years ago when we were at school and I noticed that there was

:06:23. > :06:29.a fake profile starting up using photographs of my friends and I and

:06:30. > :06:33.it just went on for years and years and developed on different social

:06:34. > :06:38.media accounts. How did you realise your pictures were being used?

:06:39. > :06:43.Someone messaged me on Facebook saying, there's an account using

:06:44. > :06:48.your photos and I received a number of messages going back years ago

:06:49. > :06:53.saying either accusing me of being a fake profile and being someone that

:06:54. > :06:58.they knew or saying someone's using your photos, so it was a mixture of

:06:59. > :07:03.the two that flagged them up. What was being done with your photos?

:07:04. > :07:07.They were just posted on to Facebook accounts, MySpace accounts, more

:07:08. > :07:13.recently Instagram accounts, saying, with a name Ellie and the surname

:07:14. > :07:18.was Rose, saying just, just pretending to be me. So somebody

:07:19. > :07:22.trying to attract followers to connect with but using your picture

:07:23. > :07:24.as the image that they were portraying to the world. I think

:07:25. > :07:29.we've lost you unfortunately. Can you still hear us? I can still hear

:07:30. > :07:35.you. You've come back, it's a poor connection for a moment. So it was

:07:36. > :07:38.somebody using your image to put across an appealing image to people

:07:39. > :07:44.that they wanted to connect with. Do you know who was behind these sites?

:07:45. > :07:48.I have no idea. I spoke to whoever is behind it recently via one of the

:07:49. > :07:54.fake accounts about a year ago and she said she was a girl who went to

:07:55. > :07:58.school with me in a younger year but whether that's true, I don't know.

:07:59. > :08:06.It didn't narrow it down. I have no idea. How did it impact on you?

:08:07. > :08:11.Well, it was really scary and there was occasions when someone who'd

:08:12. > :08:15.spoken to the fake account would see me in real life and it would be

:08:16. > :08:19.someone I didn't know and they would approach me and I would be like,

:08:20. > :08:23.sorry I don't know who you are, and then it was just really strange,

:08:24. > :08:26.they'd perhaps either be rude because they thought I was lying or

:08:27. > :08:30.it makes you realise the Internet's not as big as you think it is, that

:08:31. > :08:34.these people, you can bump into them in real life and it's really scary.

:08:35. > :08:42.Did you do anything to try to get the sites taken down? Did you speak

:08:43. > :08:46.to people? Yes, we spoke to people who told us to block them, Facebook

:08:47. > :08:50.removed them and whoever was behind it would set up a new account with

:08:51. > :08:57.the photos again and block us so that we weren't able to find them. I

:08:58. > :09:02.also spoke to a local police officer, going back probably six

:09:03. > :09:08.years ago, who took down notes but wasn't really able to do anything. I

:09:09. > :09:11.spoke to a lawyer more recently who said that they were not sure whether

:09:12. > :09:17.there was any real legislation on what you can do about it, so... So

:09:18. > :09:19.now there is this change in guidelines that the Crown

:09:20. > :09:23.Prosecution Service is talking about that could see people prosecuted for

:09:24. > :09:27.setting up fake social media accounts. What do you think about

:09:28. > :09:30.that? Yes, I think that's a really good thing. I think even if it just

:09:31. > :09:35.works as a deterrent, stopping people from setting up the accounts

:09:36. > :09:39.in the first place, and then also when it's, specially a profile

:09:40. > :09:45.that's gone on for a long period of time or something that's become

:09:46. > :09:48.really scary for whoever photos they have used, that something can be

:09:49. > :09:51.done to get them removed and find out whoever is behind it and make

:09:52. > :10:04.them responsible. Thank you very much, Ellie.

:10:05. > :10:12.Coming up, what is it like to live in Raqqa?

:10:13. > :10:15.Still to come before 11: A warning from France as a Government minister

:10:16. > :10:18.suggest migrants could be allowed to cross the Channel if the UK

:10:19. > :10:23.We'll have the latest on the migrant crisis.

:10:24. > :10:25.A French government minister is warning his country could allow

:10:26. > :10:28.migrants to travel unchecked to the UK, if Britain votes to leave

:10:29. > :10:32.Emmanuel Macron said an exit vote in the June referendum could end

:10:33. > :10:35.a deal allowing Britain to vet new arrivals on French territory.

:10:36. > :10:37.The comments come as David Cameron prepares to meet the French

:10:38. > :10:39.President Francois Hollande to discuss the migrant

:10:40. > :10:42.The Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin, is dismissing the idea

:10:43. > :10:46.Surprise surprise, we pay a great deal of money into the EU and it

:10:47. > :10:48.subsidises a great deal of French farming.

:10:49. > :10:50.Surprise surprise, they don't want us to leave the EU.

:10:51. > :10:53.But this is a choice for the British people,

:10:54. > :10:55.not for the French government, and actually we're being asked

:10:56. > :10:58.to believe all sorts of ludicrous things.

:10:59. > :11:02.Our correspondent Anna Holligan is in Calais.

:11:03. > :11:10.Anna, explain more about what it might mean if Britain leave the EU?

:11:11. > :11:16.We are in the heart of the Jungle in Calais. David Cameron has warned if

:11:17. > :11:20.Britain were to leave the EU, all of this, the 4,000 people or so camped

:11:21. > :11:23.out here could move over to Dover. The comments on the front-page of

:11:24. > :11:26.the Financial Times this morning from the French Economy Minister

:11:27. > :11:32.appear to have backed up those claims. He says that, if Britain

:11:33. > :11:37.votes in favour of Brexit, it could bring an end to this agreement which

:11:38. > :11:41.allows Britain to conduct a border control on the French side of the

:11:42. > :11:47.channel. So these will be encouraging words for David Cameron

:11:48. > :11:49.ahead of these talks taking place here in France.

:11:50. > :11:51.Thank you very much. We'll have the first UK interview

:11:52. > :11:55.with one of the men who survived a plane crash in the Andes 40 years

:11:56. > :11:59.ago and had to eat his friends dead Now, reporting from Syria

:12:00. > :12:08.is so dangerous now that very few correspondents from any news

:12:09. > :12:11.organisation go anywhere near so-called Islamic

:12:12. > :12:13.State controlled areas. But there are a number of activist

:12:14. > :12:17.groups which manage to smuggle information to the outside world

:12:18. > :12:20.at huge risk to their own lives. One activist based in Raqqa,

:12:21. > :12:23.the capital of the so-called Islamic State controlled territory,

:12:24. > :12:27.has been keeping a series of diaries for the Today programme

:12:28. > :12:29.on Radio 4 which we've been We've changed names and some details

:12:30. > :12:34.and had his words are spoken for him We thought we'd finished our

:12:35. > :12:50.compulsory sharia course, but then we heard we would still

:12:51. > :12:53.have to attend night classes So too did many shop owners; this

:12:54. > :12:58.is why so many of Raqqa's My friend didn't show

:12:59. > :13:01.up for the lesson. When a Daesh guy demanded

:13:02. > :13:03.to know where he was, We later heard that they had raided

:13:04. > :13:08.his home, but he wasn't there. We have now finished the week-long

:13:09. > :13:11.course and we have officially entered Islam,

:13:12. > :13:12.as born-again Muslims. The next day I walked to work

:13:13. > :13:15.with confident strides. A Daesh man stopped me and asked

:13:16. > :13:18.if I had done my dawn prayers. "Yes, of course", but he clearly

:13:19. > :13:22.thought I was lying. "Which bit of the Koran

:13:23. > :13:26.have you read?" I was saved when a woman

:13:27. > :13:28.who wasn't covering her eyes I carried on as quickly

:13:29. > :13:38.as I could to the shop where I work. But things got worse when I walked

:13:39. > :13:40.through the door. I was told that two men had come

:13:41. > :13:44.to the shop, and asked where I was. I started to panic, and my hands

:13:45. > :13:47.began to shake. "I don't know, but one of them

:13:48. > :13:56.was carrying a gun." Was I going to be lashed, or sent

:13:57. > :13:59.to fight for Daesh front line? My first thought was to run away,

:14:00. > :14:02.but I knew they would soon I spent the whole day thinking

:14:03. > :14:07.about the two men, and what might happen, but nobody came to get me,

:14:08. > :14:10.and as soon as the shop closed, "What's wrong with you?",

:14:11. > :14:14.my mother asked, "why do I kept thinking how my mother

:14:15. > :14:24.would react if Daesh came to my home She kept asking what was worrying

:14:25. > :14:30.me, but I wouldn't say. I didn't sleep all night,

:14:31. > :14:34.and I don't think my In the morning, I left early,

:14:35. > :14:39.and headed to the shop to open up. I would rather they take me away

:14:40. > :14:42.from there than in front A tall, armed man came in,

:14:43. > :14:47.and I thought, this is it, but he smiled and told me

:14:48. > :14:49.not to look so worried. The news wasn't so good

:14:50. > :14:52.about my friend. He had been sentenced to death

:14:53. > :14:56.for missing the sharia class. Thankfully, the man in front

:14:57. > :15:00.of me had warned him, and he had run away

:15:01. > :15:04.before Daesh got to him. In the evening, I went to visit

:15:05. > :15:09.Mohamed, who is nearer my We sat down together,

:15:10. > :15:15.and I asked him if he could help me deal with the desperate

:15:16. > :15:17.situation we are in. He told me, "live your life

:15:18. > :15:20.without considering the present. Imagine you are walking on a rope

:15:21. > :15:24.between two mountains, the present is the ground below,

:15:25. > :15:28.walk straight ahead and focus only on crossing the mountain,

:15:29. > :15:31.never look down." From now on, I will take his advice

:15:32. > :15:36.and try to keep walking straight ahead until I reach

:15:37. > :15:38.the other mountain. When I get there,

:15:39. > :15:47.the present will be gone. That film was produced by the artist

:15:48. > :15:51.and animator Scott Coello for Radio 4's Today programme -

:15:52. > :15:55.you can watch it on their programme page, and tomorrow we will have

:15:56. > :16:00.the final diary entry. Still to come before 11:

:16:01. > :16:02.The incredible survival story that was turned into

:16:03. > :16:04.a Hollywood blockbuster - we have an exclusive interview

:16:05. > :16:10.with a survivor of a plane crash in the Andes 40 years ago who had

:16:11. > :16:13.to eat his friends' dead A French minister says migrants

:16:14. > :16:24.could travel unchecked from Calais to the UK if Britain

:16:25. > :16:29.chooses to leave the EU. Leave campaigners say the warning

:16:30. > :16:32.is ludicrous and not backed Migration will be discussed

:16:33. > :16:35.today by David Cameron The president of the European

:16:36. > :16:39.Council, Donald Tusk, has made a direct appeal

:16:40. > :16:41.to economic migrants, telling them, "Do not

:16:42. > :16:53.come to Europe." I want to appeal to all potential

:16:54. > :17:03.illegal economic migrants. Wherever you are from. Do not come to Europe.

:17:04. > :17:08.Do not believe the smugglers. Do not risk your lives and your money, it

:17:09. > :17:15.is all for nothing. Grease or any other European country will no

:17:16. > :17:16.longer be a transit country. The Schengen rules will enter into force

:17:17. > :17:19.again. The German car manufacturer BMW has

:17:20. > :17:22.emailed its UK staff to highlight what it sees as the risks

:17:23. > :17:25.to the company from Britain BMW, which owns Mini

:17:26. > :17:28.and Rolls-Royce Motor Cars, says a British exit would mean

:17:29. > :17:30.higher costs and prices, Vote Leave campaigners dismiss it

:17:31. > :17:45.as "scare-mongering". Turkish police have killed two

:17:46. > :17:48.attackers who opened fire on police headquarters in Istanbul. The

:17:49. > :17:52.attackers, both women, hid in a nearby building after throwing

:17:53. > :17:54.grenades at a police HQ. No civilian casualties are reported.

:17:55. > :17:56.Internet trolls who create fake social media profiles could find

:17:57. > :17:58.themselves in court under proposed guidelines for prosecutors

:17:59. > :18:04.The Crown Prosecution Service says adults should be charged if they use

:18:05. > :18:11.fake social media IDs to harass others.

:18:12. > :18:17.The Government has said it will end the iPlayer loopholes so that those

:18:18. > :18:20.watching catch-up TV do not get away with not paying the license fee.

:18:21. > :18:25.Let's talk more about this. At the moment you don't have to pay but it

:18:26. > :18:28.might change? About 1 million people exploit this

:18:29. > :18:34.iPlayer loophole, so they watch their favourite programmes on catch

:18:35. > :18:38.up on iPlayer but don't pay the ?145.50 licence fee. It is a huge

:18:39. > :18:42.source of frustration at the corporation, not only can they pick

:18:43. > :18:46.and choose the shows like Sherlock Holmes or Great British Bake Off, or

:18:47. > :18:51.East Enders, but you can watch more less live TV watch pretty much the

:18:52. > :18:57.whole schedule of the BBC without paying a penny. I2020 it is forecast

:18:58. > :19:01.it will cost the BBC about ?100 million a year, the equivalent of

:19:02. > :19:06.700,000 people not paying the license fee. What can be done? The

:19:07. > :19:11.culture secretary in a wide-ranging speech about the BBC yesterday said,

:19:12. > :19:14.when the licence fee was invented, video on demand did not exist but

:19:15. > :19:19.the BBC works on a basis that all who watch it pay for it, so they

:19:20. > :19:28.will rush through legislation to close the loophole as soon as

:19:29. > :19:31.possible, possibly as early as the summer, then it will become a

:19:32. > :19:34.criminal offence to not pay it. The most obvious way it will work is to

:19:35. > :19:36.have some kind of password or code, but there are complex issues, said

:19:37. > :19:42.the BBC, such as members of the same family living in different houses,

:19:43. > :19:47.and students, and it will reflect the way that we are watching TV now,

:19:48. > :19:49.catching up for free. Let's catch up with all the sport

:19:50. > :19:52.now and join Katherine Downes with good news for Leicester

:19:53. > :19:54.fans this morning. They didn't play last night

:19:55. > :19:56.but Leicester were certainly They stay three points clear

:19:57. > :20:00.at the top of the Premier League. Their three main title rivals,

:20:01. > :20:02.Tottenham, Arsenal and One of New Zealand's greatest

:20:03. > :20:06.cricketers has died. Martin Crowe captained the side

:20:07. > :20:08.in 16 tests and was player of the tournament at the 1992 World

:20:09. > :20:11.Cup. He was 53 and had been

:20:12. > :20:21.diagnosed with cancer. Andy Murray has been speaking about

:20:22. > :20:24.fatherhood, he says he wants to make his baby daughter proud on and off

:20:25. > :20:29.the court. Britain begin the Davis Cup events against Japan tomorrow.

:20:30. > :20:31.It's day two of the World Track Cycling Championships in London.

:20:32. > :20:34.It's been a good start for Great Britain and Sir Bradley

:20:35. > :20:37.After qualifying quickest yesterday, they face Italy this afternoon

:20:38. > :20:42.And one 11 year old stole the show with the inaugural shot

:20:43. > :20:45.at the opening of a new golf course co-designed by Tiger Woods.

:20:46. > :20:47.South Texas PGA junior Taylor Crozier shot a hole in one,

:20:48. > :20:59.Survive by eating the flesh of your dead friends or die.

:21:00. > :21:05.That was the decision faced by 19-year-old medical student

:21:06. > :21:08.Dr Roberto Canessa when the plane that was carrying him

:21:09. > :21:13.and his Uruguayan rugby team crashed into the Andes in 1972.

:21:14. > :21:15.Out of the 45 people on board the flight,

:21:16. > :21:19.12 were killed in the crash, six died in the next few days,

:21:20. > :21:21.and 11 more perished due to the lack of food and harsh

:21:22. > :21:26.Those who were left ate the bodies of the dead in order to have any

:21:27. > :21:29.chance of living long enough to be rescued.

:21:30. > :21:32.Miraculously, 16 people did survive and were found more than two months

:21:33. > :21:43.later, after Dr Canessa and another man, Nando Parrado,

:21:44. > :21:45.trekked across the mountains for 10 days looking for help.

:21:46. > :21:47.40 years on, Dr Canessa is a successful cardiologist

:21:48. > :21:50.who specializes in heart surgery on infants and unborn babies,

:21:51. > :21:53.and he's written a book, I Had To Survive: How A Plane Crash

:21:54. > :21:56.In The Andes Inspired My Calling To Save Lives, which has

:21:57. > :22:01.Speaking exclusively in his first UK broadcast interview,

:22:02. > :22:07.Dr Roberto Canessa is in our Philadelphia studio.

:22:08. > :22:18.Thank you very much for joining us. Good morning, how are you? Very

:22:19. > :22:24.well, it is great to have you on the programme. The book is entitled, I

:22:25. > :22:28.Had To Survive And Will Toggle, And The First Line Is, What Is The Line

:22:29. > :22:37.Between Life And Death? Is That Something You Are Also always aware

:22:38. > :22:42.of? When I was lying in the mountings and I could see my dead

:22:43. > :22:46.friends, I was aware that I was the next one in the queue, I realised

:22:47. > :22:51.how fragile was the line between life and death. From that time on I

:22:52. > :22:58.have been around life and death all my life and it is a way of enjoying

:22:59. > :23:02.life more, the shore. Take us back to December 1972, you were a young

:23:03. > :23:06.man, a privileged young man, heading off on a plane that had been

:23:07. > :23:12.chartered to take you, friends, family, Team-Mates, to watch a rugby

:23:13. > :23:17.match. Prior to that moment when you boarded the plane, your life was

:23:18. > :23:26.heading in one path, and everything changed on that day? Yes, very

:23:27. > :23:31.abruptly. We were flying over the Andes mountains, it was very cloudy

:23:32. > :23:36.so we couldn't see the mountains, and very soon, maybe too soon, one

:23:37. > :23:40.of the flight assistants came around and said, OK, guys, put on the seat

:23:41. > :23:47.belts, we are going to cross some clouds and the plane is going to

:23:48. > :23:50.shake. It did begin shaking, we began fooling around, rugby players,

:23:51. > :23:59.and there was a lady in the front seat who said, Roberto, shut up, my

:24:00. > :24:02.children are scared with this. At the same time someone look through

:24:03. > :24:07.the window and said, we are flying too close to the mountains. At that

:24:08. > :24:12.moment, the plane tried to catch altitude and just hit the mountain

:24:13. > :24:15.and when it hit the mountain I said, Roberto, you are dead. The only

:24:16. > :24:20.thing you can look forward to is death, so I just grabbed my seat

:24:21. > :24:24.very, very strongly, the plane lost the tail, lost both wings and began

:24:25. > :24:30.sliding at great speed through the side of the mountain. Some guys were

:24:31. > :24:36.praying, saying, God, I don't want to die, I was praying the Hail Mary.

:24:37. > :24:41.As we finished the Hail Mary, the few Cilic struck and I was thrown

:24:42. > :24:48.with incredible force against a front wall -- the fuselage, and I

:24:49. > :24:52.had a huge blow on my head, and as I was thinking I couldn't believe the

:24:53. > :24:56.plane had stopped and I was seeing my legs were there, my head was

:24:57. > :25:00.there, my arms were there, I had survived. I couldn't believe that. I

:25:01. > :25:04.looked around, it was a mess, some friends were killed, some were

:25:05. > :25:08.injured, I said, I have to get out of the way, the police are going to

:25:09. > :25:12.come, the ambulance will be here, the firemen, so I turned back to the

:25:13. > :25:19.tail of the plane where the door was and the plane had broken, literally

:25:20. > :25:24.broken, and when I went out and step in the snow I felt very, very sad

:25:25. > :25:28.because we were in the middle of the mountains, there was a huge silent

:25:29. > :25:32.around us, no firemen, no help, nothing, and my friends were

:25:33. > :25:35.injured, some bleeding, some had pieces of metal in their stomach,

:25:36. > :25:42.and I thought, this is not happening, I must rewind and go back

:25:43. > :25:48.to reality, but that was reality, so someone said of the pilot is alive.

:25:49. > :25:55.We rushed into the cabin and he was trapped because all of the controls

:25:56. > :26:03.from the plane were pressing his chest, and he was saying, we passed

:26:04. > :26:09.Greco, he was in a state because he thought he was in the Chilean side,

:26:10. > :26:15.but we were in the mountains, but we could not move him because his legs

:26:16. > :26:18.were trapped so he said, give me my suitcase, I have my gun, he wanted

:26:19. > :26:25.to shoot in self and maybe that would be the best because he

:26:26. > :26:30.suffered agony and all that, we could not get him out of there. How

:26:31. > :26:37.quickly did your survival instinct kicked in? Well, from the first

:26:38. > :26:41.moment. I think people are very diverse and can have different

:26:42. > :26:45.attitudes. The first thing was to help my friends, one of them said,

:26:46. > :26:48.look at my leg, and his leg was turned sideways so we just clicked

:26:49. > :26:54.it in and said, leave it there, we are going to be rescued baby soon.

:26:55. > :26:57.We went to the captain of the team, he was devastated because he

:26:58. > :27:02.organised the trip. Another guy had a piece of metal in his stomach that

:27:03. > :27:10.we took out, and said, how do you feel? He said, I think it is OK.

:27:11. > :27:16.Another guy said, I am the president of Uruguay, I have immunity, no one

:27:17. > :27:21.touches me. People can be very diverse, one of my friend said,

:27:22. > :27:25.Roberto, this is a tragedy. We would be touching the pulses in the neck

:27:26. > :27:30.to say who is alive and who is dead. But everything was towards waiting

:27:31. > :27:34.for the rescue because the moment I hear screams that someone is coming

:27:35. > :27:37.towards the plane, he was ten metres apart, literally swallowed by the

:27:38. > :27:41.snow, so we thought that the snow would be very dangerous to go too

:27:42. > :27:46.far from the plane, so lots of things were going simultaneously,

:27:47. > :27:53.and then the cold tractors, the freezing temperature, the night came

:27:54. > :27:58.on, we had to get into the fuselage of the plane, we were trapped there,

:27:59. > :28:02.some people were crying, some people were quarrelling, I remember that

:28:03. > :28:11.Nando Parrado, my buddy, had a very swollen head, we left him with his

:28:12. > :28:18.head in the snow, 30 years later I discovered that was the best

:28:19. > :28:32.treatment for the week the Redeemer, it was life-saving for him -- brain

:28:33. > :28:40.swelling. There was so much suffering, the pain was unbearable.

:28:41. > :28:51.Things begin slowly to get into this new organisation, we had to make

:28:52. > :28:56.water with the metal backs of the seat, drop by drop you would get

:28:57. > :28:59.water, you would be someone with a bottle and say, what are you doing,

:29:00. > :29:09.are you going to drink it by yourself? You realise how human

:29:10. > :29:13.beings materially have nothing and spiritually compensate and become

:29:14. > :29:21.stronger in solidarity and the relation to God changes dramatically

:29:22. > :29:29.because someone is saying, no, you shouldn't cheat, you shouldn't like,

:29:30. > :29:33.you shouldn't steel, and when you look at this guy saying, God, help

:29:34. > :29:44.me, it is a different kind of God, you are shoulder and shoulder. You

:29:45. > :29:47.crossed the line in the end that most people find, obviously, just

:29:48. > :29:53.extraordinary, that you were in a situation and ended up having to eat

:29:54. > :29:57.the flesh of your fellow passengers who had died. At what stage did you

:29:58. > :30:05.realise that was the only way you were going to survive? Well, at the

:30:06. > :30:11.beginning, we ate all the toothpaste and creams for the women, over the

:30:12. > :30:18.tree line was only rocks and no, nothing to eat, and you become very,

:30:19. > :30:22.very hungry and there is an instinct inside yourself that tells you you

:30:23. > :30:25.have to eat something. We thought about the letter of the shoes and

:30:26. > :30:29.the belt, we began chewing the shoes and the letter of the belts, but we

:30:30. > :30:34.felt it was poisoning us because it has lots of chemicals, so there was

:30:35. > :30:37.nothing, we were dying, and someone said, I think I'm going crazy

:30:38. > :30:43.because I'm thinking of beating the dead bodies of our friends, and a

:30:44. > :30:47.couple said, no, this is crazy, we are not going to become cannibals,

:30:48. > :30:53.for sure, this is not the way we should go. I was a second-year

:30:54. > :31:03.medical student and I saw flesh, fat, proteins, I had studied the

:31:04. > :31:10.cycle and knew that from protein you could go to carbohydrates, so the

:31:11. > :31:14.fuel was OK. It was difficult to invade my friends' privacy and cut

:31:15. > :31:23.off pieces of the bodies. I felt it was in some way rape being banned,

:31:24. > :31:26.but some would say, Jesus Christ, the Last Supper, take my flesh and

:31:27. > :31:31.my blood is OK, but for me was the last supper. But I thought, what if

:31:32. > :31:36.I had been one of the dead bodies here? I would be proud that my body

:31:37. > :31:45.had been used by my friends as a live project, so nowadays I fear I

:31:46. > :31:50.have a piece of them in myself, not literally but spiritually, and I

:31:51. > :31:54.have to do is give gratitude to the memory. The incredible thing is, you

:31:55. > :32:04.don't want to eat a piece because you don't want to have the

:32:05. > :32:09.humiliation, any time I think this was an human experiment, there was a

:32:10. > :32:16.guinea pig there, we have helped people to get out of the mountains,

:32:17. > :32:20.but I said, why should I swallowed this piece, then I remembered my

:32:21. > :32:26.mother had told me, if one of his sons would die he wouldn't -- if one

:32:27. > :32:29.of her sons would die, she would die of sadness. I ate a piece and

:32:30. > :32:37.nothing happened. It became very common to eat dead bodies, it is

:32:38. > :32:43.funny because on this story I think there are two versions, one in which

:32:44. > :32:51.eating the dead bodies was not the toughest part, and when people

:32:52. > :32:56.mention this tragedy they say, oh, you were the guys that were saved

:32:57. > :33:00.because you ate the dead bodies? As if it were some magical formula, you

:33:01. > :33:02.swallow a piece and you would get out of there. But eating dead bodies

:33:03. > :33:04.was only buying