09/03/2016

:00:07. > :00:08.Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:09. > :00:25."The greatest music producer of all time".

:00:26. > :00:29.were like an orchestra without a conductor,

:00:30. > :00:31.until he gave them a shape and a sound."

:00:32. > :00:34.Just some of the tributes this morning to the news that the man

:00:35. > :00:40.known as the fifth Beatle - George Martin - has died.

:00:41. > :00:45.He could translate and suggest a lot of things.

:00:46. > :00:49."Look, chaps, I thought of this this afternoon".

:00:50. > :00:53.He taught us a lot and we taught him a lot through our primitive music

:00:54. > :00:59.We'll talk to those who knew him throughout the programme.

:01:00. > :01:01.Also this morning - Junior doctors are striking again

:01:02. > :01:06.It's in protest about whether they should be paid more

:01:07. > :01:10.But how likely are they to get what they want?

:01:11. > :01:13.We'll talk to people who've been on strike previously in other

:01:14. > :01:21.disputes about whether it's worth it.

:01:22. > :01:23.And why are so many young people being prescribed antidepressants?

:01:24. > :01:26.We'll hear concerns that the number of pills being prescribed

:01:27. > :01:27.to children has doubled in seven years.

:01:28. > :01:31.I remember telling them, this is not working.

:01:32. > :01:34.It just seems just more medication - that will make it better -

:01:35. > :01:50.Hello, good morning, we're live each weekday morning

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:02:20. > :02:26.We are interested in hearing from you if you are still backing junior

:02:27. > :02:30.doctors or not and their strike. Sir George Martin -

:02:31. > :02:34.the man universally known as the "fifth Beatle" for the huge

:02:35. > :02:37.impact he had on their careers - Without him the Beatles would have

:02:38. > :02:42.been a very different band. He not only signed them to a label

:02:43. > :02:45.but also produced nearly Our arts editor describes

:02:46. > :02:47.his relationship with "The Beatles were like an orchestra

:02:48. > :02:50.without a conductor, until the visionary George Martin

:02:51. > :02:57.gave them a shape and a sound." Let's hear one of his most famous

:02:58. > :03:03.productions, Yesterday. # Yesterday, all my troubles

:03:04. > :03:10.seemed so far away. # Suddenly, I am not half

:03:11. > :03:43.the man I used to be. # Yesterday came suddenly.

:03:44. > :03:54.# Why she had to go, I don't know, she would not say.

:03:55. > :03:58.# I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday.

:03:59. > :04:07.# Yesterday. # Love was such an easy game to

:04:08. > :04:14.play. # Now I need a place to hide away.

:04:15. > :04:25.He's a macro I believe in yesterday. # Why she had to go, I don't know,

:04:26. > :04:34.she would not said. # I said something wrong, now I long

:04:35. > :04:45.for yesterday. # Yesterday. Musa --

:04:46. > :04:49.Part of the Beatles' distinctive sound came from George Martin's

:04:50. > :04:50.experiments with different recording techniques.

:04:51. > :04:53.Here he is speaking to Howard Goodall on BBC 4's Arena

:04:54. > :04:57.programme about how he would play around with the band's sound.

:04:58. > :05:02.There was one time on Rain where I decided to play around

:05:03. > :05:09.I took John's voice off as a separate item, and put it

:05:10. > :05:14.tape, and turned it back to front and played around with it a bit

:05:15. > :05:31.And I played it to John when he came back and he said,

:05:32. > :05:37.I explained what I had done and from that moment,

:05:38. > :05:54.# Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream.

:05:55. > :05:58.This place, Abbey Road Studio, was a wonderful musical toy shop

:05:59. > :06:01.and I never got much money but I did get the ability to play

:06:02. > :06:09.I was able to experiment and I put newspapers through the strings

:06:10. > :06:39.We have got all these tape loops, the sitar.

:06:40. > :06:56.Because everything was so pulled back and neat.

:06:57. > :07:03.This is the good reason we stopped touring and came into the studio.

:07:04. > :07:05.On George Martin's Facebook page there is this statement: "We're

:07:06. > :07:08.deeply sorry to report that today Sir George Martin has passed away

:07:09. > :07:11.Our deepest condolences to his family.

:07:12. > :07:14.Your body may not be between us, but your legacy we'll be forever

:07:15. > :07:21.Thanks for your passion and dedication."

:07:22. > :07:26.quote by him - "When you extend life span, that's really something.

:07:27. > :07:38.Many tributes from celebrities on Twitter.

:07:39. > :07:41.you for all your love and kindness, George.

:07:42. > :07:44.Mark Ronson tweets - "Thank you, Sir George Martin:

:07:45. > :07:49.We will never stop living in the world you helped create."

:07:50. > :07:52.Sir Roger Moore says, "How very sad to wake to the news

:07:53. > :07:59.He made my first Bond film sound brilliant!"

:08:00. > :08:02.Lenny Kravitz tweets "The legends are really going home!

:08:03. > :08:16.And Boy George says about Sir George Martin...

:08:17. > :08:21.Mark Lewisohn is the Official Beatles Historian -

:08:22. > :08:23.he worked with Sir George Martin on many projects including

:08:24. > :08:24.documentary series, The Beatles Anthology.

:08:25. > :08:33.tell us what he was like. He was what you saw. He was a gentleman and

:08:34. > :08:40.scholar. He was amusing, had a fantastic sense of humour, and he

:08:41. > :08:45.had the talent of bringing the best of people around him. It is so easy

:08:46. > :08:50.for people in that position let their ego be the dominant one, but

:08:51. > :09:02.George Martin was always incredibly reset it, he knew that was his job.

:09:03. > :09:08.Many people will know this but some won't. He was classically trained.

:09:09. > :09:14.He did not learn music at school, he did not learn how to really come he

:09:15. > :09:17.taught himself. His first piece of music was composed when he was six

:09:18. > :09:24.or seven years old, a classical ragtime piece of music. You can get

:09:25. > :09:29.it on CD. He was obviously very musically inclined but his parents

:09:30. > :09:35.did not have much money. He lived in Highbury, north London, and was

:09:36. > :09:39.evacuated to Bromley in the early part of the Second World War. He

:09:40. > :09:45.eventually served in the war but was evacuated in the early part and was

:09:46. > :09:52.at a school in Bromley when the BBC Symphony Orchestra came and

:09:53. > :09:56.performed some Debussy, and he was wafted away to heaven, as he called

:09:57. > :10:00.it, and was deeply in love with music from that point on and wanted

:10:01. > :10:06.to make it his career. He ended up going to the Guildhall to-macro

:10:07. > :10:16.school of Music. No fee was due on that. He then left their and went

:10:17. > :10:24.into record production. It was not called that, he was working in a

:10:25. > :10:28.studio at EMI, Abbey Road, and was involved in the creation of sounds

:10:29. > :10:35.right across the spectrum of music, from classical to Opera, two novelty

:10:36. > :10:41.records, and jazz and eventually rock 'n' roll. Explain to our

:10:42. > :10:48.audience why he was so important to the success of the Beatles. They

:10:49. > :10:53.were great rebels, they never wanted to do anything... If anyone said

:10:54. > :10:58.Beatles that you cannot do that, they would say, who says? Yes, we

:10:59. > :11:02.will. In George Martin, they had a producer who empathised absolutely

:11:03. > :11:06.with that point of view. He was a maverick and wanted to break the

:11:07. > :11:12.rules. If there was a rule, he would break it. That is what they did

:11:13. > :11:17.together. With another record producer, they might have been

:11:18. > :11:20.denied that expression of talent. They could have sounded very

:11:21. > :11:28.different. From the point of view of the The Beatles, they were the

:11:29. > :11:30.perfect artist for Sir George, they wanted to try something different

:11:31. > :11:35.every time and that suited his manner perfectly. Which made them a

:11:36. > :11:44.really good combination which is the understatement of the day. It made

:11:45. > :11:48.the studio a creative workshop, he said. The Beatles did not have to

:11:49. > :11:51.pay for their recording sessions, it was part of the contract with EMI

:11:52. > :11:58.that it was part of the deal, they could spend long as they wanted.

:11:59. > :12:03.George Martin was the facilitator of whatever they wanted, and quite

:12:04. > :12:08.often they did not need him around but very often they did and whenever

:12:09. > :12:17.they needed him, he was the man. If John wanted the strings, George

:12:18. > :12:23.would score that and conductive. If George wanted something, George was

:12:24. > :12:27.the perfect person. For Paul McCartney, we think of Yesterday or

:12:28. > :12:32.Eleanor Rigby, and any of those tracks, but he did more than just

:12:33. > :12:40.conduct and arrange, he was there sounding board and they respect him,

:12:41. > :12:43.and what we have in our record collections and award's music bank

:12:44. > :12:47.is the sound of people who respected one another in the studio. Is it

:12:48. > :12:53.true that the first time the Beatles were recording, George Martin went

:12:54. > :13:00.off to the canteen and left them to it? It is a long story but actually

:13:01. > :13:03.George had turned them down, the Beatles were rejected by everyone

:13:04. > :13:08.because they were so new and so different, but in the end, George

:13:09. > :13:13.Martin signed them and when he met them, initially, he was not in their

:13:14. > :13:19.first session, but when he met them, he recognised that these were people

:13:20. > :13:25.he wanted to be with. He was turned on by their personalities and

:13:26. > :13:28.charisma, and they in turn liked him very much because he appeared to be

:13:29. > :13:34.like a schoolmaster. They called him the headteacher. On the other hand,

:13:35. > :13:39.they could have a joke with him, he would make self-deprecating remarks

:13:40. > :13:45.about himself am a and they really took to him straightaway, and it

:13:46. > :13:49.became a beautiful relationship about five months after they met,

:13:50. > :13:54.they really clicked at the end of 1962, and the breakthrough of the

:13:55. > :14:01.Beatles was so extraordinarily rapid that George Martin became the

:14:02. > :14:05.hottest producer in the world. 1964, March of 1964, it was pointed out to

:14:06. > :14:13.him that in the preceding 15 months, he had spent 37 weeks at number one

:14:14. > :14:17.of the charts. 37 weeks out of about 65 weeks, quite an incredible run

:14:18. > :14:23.which will never be repeated because he did not only have the Beatles, he

:14:24. > :14:29.had silicon black, Shirley Bassey, Matt Monro, Gerry and the

:14:30. > :14:44.pacemakers, so many talents. -- Cilla Black. Send us your own

:14:45. > :14:50.tribute to George Martin. Some breaking news to do with Amazon.

:14:51. > :14:56.Good news, Amazon is to create 1000 new jobs in Manchester. Company

:14:57. > :15:01.currently employs 4000 people in Great Britain, 40,000 in Europe.

:15:02. > :15:06.They are to create 1000 new jobs at a centre in Manchester.

:15:07. > :15:08.Are we prescribing too many anti-depressants to young people?

:15:09. > :15:11.New research shows a huge rise in these drugs being handed out.

:15:12. > :15:16.It's the third time junior doctors have walked out but what's

:15:17. > :15:18.the likelihood it will get them what they want?

:15:19. > :15:20.We'll ask two professionals who went on strike recently

:15:21. > :15:44.The man behind the fab four - record producer Sir George Martin -

:15:45. > :15:48.Sir George - also known as the fifth Beatle produced more than 700

:15:49. > :15:50.records over his career, working with stars such

:15:51. > :16:07.as Dame Shirley Bassey and Cilla Black.

:16:08. > :16:09.Another junior doctors strike begins in England -

:16:10. > :16:21.its the third walkout and will last 48 hours -

:16:22. > :16:24.The World Health Organisation has expressed concern over the number

:16:25. > :16:25.of children on anti-depressants in the UK.

:16:26. > :16:29.New research shows there was a 54 percent rise between 2005 and 2012.

:16:30. > :16:31.Buckingham Palace has insisted the Queen is "politically neutral"

:16:32. > :16:34.over the referendum on the EU that is set for June -

:16:35. > :16:42.despite the Sun newspaper claiming that she backs a British exit.

:16:43. > :16:48.Plans to relax Sunday trading laws in England and Wales could be

:16:49. > :16:50.blocked in the House of Commons today.

:16:51. > :16:52.The Scottish National Party is to join those voting

:16:53. > :16:54.against the proposals - even though the plans DON'T

:16:55. > :16:57.The government has accused the SNP of hypocrisy.

:16:58. > :17:03.A baby ape has been born at Twycross zoo in Leicestershire. The zoo

:17:04. > :17:08.announced at the first time mother gave birth on the ninth of their

:17:09. > :17:13.brief. It is one of only 11 such births in zoos worldwide in the last

:17:14. > :17:16.year. Those are the headlines, now time for the sport.

:17:17. > :17:24.Maria Sharapova's doping revelations and the Sunderland Chief Executive

:17:25. > :17:27.Margaret Byrne resigning over her handling of the Adam Johnson case.

:17:28. > :17:31.We'll talk about both those stories in the next hour.

:17:32. > :17:34.But we've had plenty of football to get our teeth into.

:17:35. > :17:45.Arsenal went through in the FA cup last night.

:17:46. > :17:58.The Champions League returned, we'll show you another

:17:59. > :18:01.Chelsea play tonight, having to score against

:18:02. > :18:03.Paris St Germain and staying with Paris, the French Football

:18:04. > :18:05.Association headquarters were raided yesterday by Swiss authorities,

:18:06. > :18:07.and they seized documents in connection with their

:18:08. > :18:09.investigation into that ?1.3 million payment from Sepp Blatter

:18:10. > :18:12.Plenty to talk about in the next hour.

:18:13. > :18:19.Junior doctors in England have walked out on strike this morning

:18:20. > :18:23.It's their third strike so far in a dispute with the government

:18:24. > :18:26.Our reporter Jim Reed explains what the dispute is about:

:18:27. > :18:38.The priority at the moment is the thousands of people

:18:39. > :18:41.that we think die unnecessarily because we don't have proper cover

:18:42. > :18:50.They are trying to cut our pay when we are already

:18:51. > :19:14.These are not just students leaving medical school but anyone below

:19:15. > :19:19.They are the person you will see clerking you in when you go to A,

:19:20. > :19:21.the person you might see in your GP practice,

:19:22. > :19:24.often they will be the person that comes round on the ward

:19:25. > :19:28.Often they are the person who will be doing surgery

:19:29. > :19:30.in theatre, they will be assisting the consultant

:19:31. > :19:33.One big part of this is hours worked.

:19:34. > :19:36.The government wants to raise basic wages but change the way it pays

:19:37. > :19:40.At the moment regular hours are set at seven until seven Monday

:19:41. > :19:42.to Friday with anything over that being paid extra.

:19:43. > :19:45.The government wants to extend those core hours to 10pm in the week

:19:46. > :19:46.and into Saturday for the first time.

:19:47. > :19:57.The doctors who are working the most difficult hours,

:19:58. > :19:59.the ones who are working some of the hardest rotas,

:20:00. > :20:01.working through the night, through the weekend etc,

:20:02. > :20:04.these are the people who really lose out in this contract.

:20:05. > :20:06.They are the people this affects the most.

:20:07. > :20:08.In the last election, the Conservatives promised to bring

:20:09. > :20:10.Illness does not respect working hours.

:20:11. > :20:13.Heart attacks, major accidents, babies, these things don't just come

:20:14. > :20:17.After months of talks and two previous strikes,

:20:18. > :20:19.the government says its offer is final and it will now impose

:20:20. > :20:25.the new contract on doctors from August.

:20:26. > :20:32.There are plans for three 48 hour strikes over the next six weeks.

:20:33. > :20:34.Thousands of operations have been moved or cancelled although

:20:35. > :20:36.emergency care should not be affected and A will

:20:37. > :20:44.So how likely is it that the strike will lead to any changes?

:20:45. > :20:49.And you've been looking into recent strikes to see what they've achieved

:20:50. > :20:55.and whether they have been successful?

:20:56. > :21:02.looked at three different public sector strikes.

:21:03. > :21:10.midwives, ambulance staff, nurses, and as you can see from these

:21:11. > :21:13.pictures, this was a strike broadly overpaid, so an independent a

:21:14. > :21:16.body has recommended a 1% pay increase uptime. The Government

:21:17. > :21:20.said not enough money in the kitty, there will be a pay freeze,

:21:21. > :21:25.so the workers went on strike, just a four hour strike over one day.

:21:26. > :21:28.That was across England only, 12,500 people, and if we

:21:29. > :21:37.following January after that strike in November, the Government had

:21:38. > :21:42.backed down and said that anyone in the NHS earning less than ?56,000

:21:43. > :21:47.gets the 1% rise, so you can see there was a strong argument that

:21:48. > :21:48.that strike was successful. Another example, the

:21:49. > :21:56.Tube strokes in London last year. These are some of the most disrupt

:21:57. > :22:02.strikes in recent years. You can see the long queues of people, and this

:22:03. > :22:07.was over the proposed introduction of a night tube service across

:22:08. > :22:10.London at weekends. Unions worried about the possible effects on

:22:11. > :22:18.worklife balance, and let's face it, it was about pay as well. And if we

:22:19. > :22:21.look at the results of that, the main tube drivers union has now

:22:22. > :22:26.accepted a deal, that was agreed that the last couple of weeks, so

:22:27. > :22:35.staff now get four years guaranteed above

:22:36. > :22:39.inflation pay rise, and a ?500 bonus, so we now expect that service

:22:40. > :22:45.to launch. And your third example, teachers in 2014. Again this effect

:22:46. > :22:47.England only. Teachers went on strike over two days in the spring

:22:48. > :22:48.and summer of 2014. again was broadly overpaid and

:22:49. > :22:54.working conditions. haven't seen a huge increase in

:22:55. > :23:02.teachers' pay, did get a 2% increase last year, but

:23:03. > :23:05.the overall level hasn't really changed. We spoke to people

:23:06. > :23:09.involved in this strike, and they said, this wasn't just about a

:23:10. > :23:13.specific thing on pay, this was about showing broader

:23:14. > :23:19.dissatisfaction with the coalition Government as it was. If you look at

:23:20. > :23:24.some of the timings, there were two strikes, one in March 2014 on the

:23:25. > :23:29.second in July 2014, and by the end of July, Michael Gove had been

:23:30. > :23:33.replaced by the Education Secretary. So it was easy to make the argument

:23:34. > :23:34.there was some effect, but much more difficult to make the argument it

:23:35. > :23:45.led to any sort of pay rise. Jennifer Brown is a midwife from

:23:46. > :23:50.Manchester who went on strike in 2014, John Leech, negotiation of the

:23:51. > :23:52.R.N. T, in the dispute over the night service on the London

:23:53. > :23:58.Underground, and Lauren Garrigan is a junior doctor. She has been in the

:23:59. > :24:03.profession for eight years. Welcome to all of you. Jennifer, as a

:24:04. > :24:09.midwife, tell us about the decision you took to go on strike in 2014. It

:24:10. > :24:12.is the first time in 140 years the midwives have taken strike action,

:24:13. > :24:17.and it was about making sure that the patients were safe. We did the

:24:18. > :24:21.four-hour strike, but all patients were still looked after. I took the

:24:22. > :24:28.strike action the first day, and then the second time, we did take

:24:29. > :24:34.another strike,... Were you on the picket line? I did, the second time

:24:35. > :24:39.it was my day off, but I was still there. And why had it got to that

:24:40. > :24:43.point, why did you think it was such an important issue that this 1% pay

:24:44. > :24:48.rise which had been recommended by the independent pay review body was

:24:49. > :24:51.worth going on strike to try and achieve? Because the Government had

:24:52. > :24:55.turned around and said, we are not going to take any notice of your

:24:56. > :24:58.independent pay review body, but they took notice of their own

:24:59. > :25:07.independent body when they got the 11% award. It was an attack on the

:25:08. > :25:13.whole pay structure, not just about that 1% pay rise. Was it worth it?

:25:14. > :25:18.We got what we set out to achieve, so it is taking the attack on the

:25:19. > :25:22.people that are providing the service for everybody else, so they

:25:23. > :25:28.started with the midwives and nurses, and now they are starting

:25:29. > :25:32.with the doctors, so yes. John Leach, tell us about the row with

:25:33. > :25:42.Transport for London, the Tube staff employers. One part that your

:25:43. > :25:45.feature missed out was the countdown date which was the 15th of September

:25:46. > :25:50.last year, that was the day that the night tube should have come in, and

:25:51. > :25:55.they gave us an imposition date that rotors would come in. They also wove

:25:56. > :25:59.it into the pay negotiations so it became quite difficult, and that is

:26:00. > :26:03.why in the end the tube drugs happened, because we said, we can't

:26:04. > :26:11.do that. -- the Tube strikes happened. We need an negotiation

:26:12. > :26:15.where those who can work nights do, and those who can't, they don't have

:26:16. > :26:18.to. But they said everyone will have to do it, and we ended up with A.D.

:26:19. > :26:20.All which says, you won't have to do nights duties if you want don't want

:26:21. > :26:28.to. And a multi-year deal above

:26:29. > :26:29.inflation, which also has other features like improved worklife

:26:30. > :26:30.balance for our members, and that is how we were

:26:31. > :26:37.able to go for a summer of all-out strike action to a

:26:38. > :26:39.referendum vote with a massive Yes vote.

:26:40. > :26:43.The point was they tried to impose change, and therefore we as a union

:26:44. > :26:44.and together as a group of people and

:26:45. > :26:57.made the point. been consultations, you might not

:26:58. > :27:02.have ended up with a strike? Yes, they came to the table with an

:27:03. > :27:04.imposition date, like it or lump it. The difference with junior doctors,

:27:05. > :27:06.I have plenty of comments from viewers

:27:07. > :27:08.which I will read in a moment when I get my

:27:09. > :27:11.tablet. Your union, the BMA, and the

:27:12. > :27:18.Government, have been talking for about four years until

:27:19. > :27:23.the Health Secretary said, enough is enough, I am going to impose this.

:27:24. > :27:25.The chief negotiator said there is no chance of a negotiated deal now,

:27:26. > :27:32.that is the difference there. difference, and they have been in

:27:33. > :27:34.negotiation for a long time, but there has been a reluctance on the

:27:35. > :27:34.Government 's side to come forward and continue

:27:35. > :27:44.negotiation when the BMA have specifically stated we

:27:45. > :27:46.need to negotiate. Imposition is no way to move forward, and I think as

:27:47. > :27:48.doctors we know absolutely that this contract

:27:49. > :27:51.is unsafe. just wouldn't be do it. We don't

:27:52. > :28:02.want to strike. If we were greedy, money grabbing

:28:03. > :28:03.doctors, we would go away and continue, but this is about patient

:28:04. > :28:10.safety. Let's not forget that this manifesto

:28:11. > :28:11.pledge is on models, there is no model for this.

:28:12. > :28:16.It is an costed, no one knows how much it will cost.

:28:17. > :28:20.It is understaffed, we are already 23,000 nurses down in this country,

:28:21. > :28:31.6000 doctors How on earth, please tell me, are we

:28:32. > :28:37.going to spread our current shortage of staff over seven days much more

:28:38. > :28:43.thinly when we already have huge rota gap? People will fall through

:28:44. > :28:46.those holes, and they are our patients. We the

:28:47. > :28:49.canaries in the mind, shouting from rooftops, please don't do this.

:28:50. > :28:55.as Prime Minister and stop this. He could stop it today if he wants to,

:28:56. > :29:01.and the Government need to take responsibility to do

:29:02. > :29:05.this, because the entire health on this country lives are at stake

:29:06. > :29:07.because of this. When you hear Jennifer and John talk about what

:29:08. > :29:14.they achieved through their strike action, does that leave you with

:29:15. > :29:17.even more ballast? It is heartening to hear from people who have been on

:29:18. > :29:21.strike, because we have been literally vilified in the press, we

:29:22. > :29:26.have been smeared in the most horrific ways for doing nothing,

:29:27. > :29:31.Philip Chouly doing our jobs. Everyday I work a full job as well

:29:32. > :29:36.as campaigning -- for literally doing our jobs. People have fought

:29:37. > :29:42.for safety and come forward with the results, and I hope we will. I

:29:43. > :29:45.wonder where it goes now. The contracts are being imposed, as far

:29:46. > :29:54.as I am aware, there is no conversation going on between your

:29:55. > :29:58.union and the Government. This is the third strike, there are more

:29:59. > :30:03.48-hour strikes planned. Do you get to the point where you consider

:30:04. > :30:07.withdrawing emergency cover? It may result in that, but isn't it

:30:08. > :30:12.indicative that is a body of Doc is, this is our third strike, and we are

:30:13. > :30:16.still maintaining emergency care, this is a very clear sign that we do

:30:17. > :30:22.not want to pull care. We is certainly don't want to pull

:30:23. > :30:25.emergency care. Although 5000 operations have been cancelled. And

:30:26. > :30:29.I would like to apologise to the public and anyone who has had their

:30:30. > :30:32.operation cancelled today, it is horrific, and we don't want this to

:30:33. > :30:38.happen, but we have to stop this. The Government have to come back and

:30:39. > :30:47.stop imposition, because it won't get us anywhere, it is unsafe.

:30:48. > :30:55.Roy says, I am getting fed up, they have lost their battle, get on with

:30:56. > :30:58.saving lives. I understand the frustration, and I am sorry, but

:30:59. > :31:02.please listen to us when we say that this is a short-term inconvenience

:31:03. > :31:11.which will grossly inconvenienced many people, but it is about

:31:12. > :31:14.long-term safety. Lives would be put at risk if our doctors are spread

:31:15. > :31:23.more fiddly. I go to work every day and I have doctors who are carrying

:31:24. > :31:26.for 200 people. Why? There are gaps. Remember, these are doctors who go

:31:27. > :31:32.and pick someone off the floor when they have had a cardiac arrest. What

:31:33. > :31:37.happens when there are 200 patients instead of 100? It is a disaster, I

:31:38. > :31:41.can tell you, and we have do pay attention to the long-term safety of

:31:42. > :31:46.people in this country. As doctors, we are patients as well. This is not

:31:47. > :31:50.about doctors and people being different. I used the hospital. If I

:31:51. > :31:54.have a road traffic accident tomorrow, I want my doctor to have

:31:55. > :32:00.rest did well, to have safeguards so they have not worked long hours. We

:32:01. > :32:04.are not robots or machines, I am at even being, and I think it is an

:32:05. > :32:07.except aborted kick that as human beings we can

:32:08. > :32:11.except aborted kick that as human because it won't work, we will

:32:12. > :32:17.collapse. You are clearly very angry. Let me read some messages. I

:32:18. > :32:21.support junior doctors even more since the imposition, the government

:32:22. > :32:26.is displaying arrogant and dismissive tactics. Margie says it

:32:27. > :32:31.is not just about pay, the strike is about so much more. Ian says the

:32:32. > :32:35.doctors should not roll over to appease this evil bullying,

:32:36. > :32:39.incompetent Conservative government. Jason says, I believe the strike

:32:40. > :32:44.still has the support of the public because we realise that without them

:32:45. > :32:49.performing at their best, the NHS will crumble on a daily basis. The

:32:50. > :32:52.fighting for the whole of the NHS. Furthermore, doctors don't just have

:32:53. > :32:57.the support of the public, they have the support of the majority of the

:32:58. > :33:01.rest of the medical profession, except the Trust management. Thank

:33:02. > :33:14.you for your time. Some breaking news to do with the number

:33:15. > :33:17.of workers on zero our contracts. This is from the office for National

:33:18. > :33:22.Statistics. The number of workers on these contracts has increased by

:33:23. > :33:32.104,000 according to the ONS in the last few minutes. 104,000 is the

:33:33. > :33:41.increase of workers, the total is now 801,000.

:33:42. > :33:43.Six of the Hatton Garden robbers will be sentenced this morning

:33:44. > :33:46.for their parts in the biggest burglary in British legal history -

:33:47. > :33:50.we'll talk to a former armed robber who met two of them during his time

:33:51. > :33:53.Next - are anti-depressants being handed out too readily

:33:54. > :33:57.Both the World Health Organisation and the UK's four Children's

:33:58. > :34:00.Commissioners are expressing concern at a rise in the use of them.

:34:01. > :34:02.Research shows there was a 54 percent increase

:34:03. > :34:03.between 2005 and 2012, despite concerns that some

:34:04. > :34:16.anti-depressants can increase suicidal behaviour.

:34:17. > :34:24.I remember just telling them it is not working,

:34:25. > :34:26.and it just seemed, "More medication, that will make

:34:27. > :34:32.The anti-depressants don't really do much at all.

:34:33. > :34:35.They take away the lowness but they don't take away

:34:36. > :34:39.When I was first prescribed antidepressants I was 16.

:34:40. > :34:50.I wasn't really told the side-effects of

:34:51. > :34:53.the antidepressants but the problem I found with them was I quickly got

:34:54. > :34:59.They do say that in the first month the suicidal thoughts are increased.

:35:00. > :35:01.I was very suicidal, the thoughts were constantly played

:35:02. > :35:04.in my mind so I was prescribed sleeping tablets and psychotics

:35:05. > :35:07.to try and dampen down those thoughts while I was getting used

:35:08. > :35:17.I have a whiteboard on the back of my door where I have to write

:35:18. > :35:19.everything I'm going to do in the day.

:35:20. > :35:21.Washing, tidying, taking my medication, I would forget things.

:35:22. > :35:24.Since I have been prescribed, my short term memory was shattered,

:35:25. > :35:36.that is one of the biggest impacts for me of my antidepressants.

:35:37. > :35:39.Fluoxetine, which I was on, it seems to be doled out

:35:40. > :35:43.I think it's a quick fix thing to keep young people safe

:35:44. > :35:46.while they are waiting for therapy like CBT or psychological therapies,

:35:47. > :35:49.because the waiting list is so long, and there is nothing else they can

:35:50. > :35:52.do in the meantime, so to keep them safe they keep

:35:53. > :35:56.When I did pick up the courage to say this medication is not

:35:57. > :36:08.working I felt like I was talking to a brick wall.

:36:09. > :36:14.They are just like, "let's higher the dose".

:36:15. > :36:15.Well, the medication is not working already,

:36:16. > :36:19.how is highering the dose going to work?

:36:20. > :36:21.If I said something, it was like I was shot down

:36:22. > :36:28.We can talk now to 20 year old George Watkins

:36:29. > :36:31.who has depression and has been on medication for it since he was 14

:36:32. > :36:35.years old and Dr Matt Piccaver a GP who says he tries to avoid

:36:36. > :36:40.prescribing anti depressants to young people.

:36:41. > :36:48.This George, take us back a few years, talk to us about the time

:36:49. > :36:53.when you realise you were not feeling good. Good morning. It

:36:54. > :37:02.started when I was about 13, I started struggling with the usual

:37:03. > :37:08.anxiety at school, and growing up, but it was getting out of hand so I

:37:09. > :37:12.went to see my GP, and he put me on a small dose of beta-blockers first

:37:13. > :37:19.of all, which did not really do much, so I was up graded on to a

:37:20. > :37:25.long release one. What were they supposed to do? It is to do with the

:37:26. > :37:31.heater receptors in the heart and the idea is that it chills you out,

:37:32. > :37:43.basically, makes you feel less inclined to panic. I felt incredibly

:37:44. > :37:50.sedated. To the point that I felt I was in a world of my own, it was

:37:51. > :37:54.terrifying, I started to get really quite scary mood swings, so I went

:37:55. > :38:00.back to see my GP, and I sort of explain how I was feeling, and he

:38:01. > :38:09.recommended I go on antidepressants. I was quite excited at first because

:38:10. > :38:13.I guess it is a relief, knowing there is a potential solution to the

:38:14. > :38:22.problem but it did not pan out that way. What happened? I have been on

:38:23. > :38:26.them for five years now, and about six months after I was on them, I

:38:27. > :38:31.had a full mental breakdown while I was at school in the middle of my

:38:32. > :38:37.GCSE reparation, and I did not leave the house for six months. --

:38:38. > :38:42.preparation. I lost a lot of friends and got suicidal thoughts. It was

:38:43. > :38:54.possibly one of the worst times of my life. It is hard to tell whether

:38:55. > :38:58.it was a direct cause but I saw the Prozac is definitely not helping.

:38:59. > :39:05.You continue to take antidepressants now? I do. What affect are they

:39:06. > :39:10.having on you now? A bit of context, when I came to university in

:39:11. > :39:16.September, my GP looked at my prescription and was quite shocked.

:39:17. > :39:21.He consulted with his colleagues and concluded that the combination of

:39:22. > :39:28.beta-blockers and antidepressants was not doing me any good, and also

:39:29. > :39:33.I was using an inhaler for seasonal asthma, said a combination of that

:39:34. > :39:39.could have been potentially fatal. Goodness me. After about six weeks

:39:40. > :39:45.of withdrawing from the beta-blockers, I'm only on Prozac

:39:46. > :39:55.now. I should be strong enough in a month or two to come off full saga

:39:56. > :39:59.macro that is good to hear. When a teenager presents to you feelings of

:40:00. > :40:06.anxiety or mood swings, as a GP, or lack of self-esteem, what process do

:40:07. > :40:09.you go through before potentially prescribing antidepressants? It is a

:40:10. > :40:14.difficult situation because there are many forces which may influence

:40:15. > :40:21.the person's feelings, we ate at school or home of bullying. A young

:40:22. > :40:26.person in the 21st century, it is really difficult. I look at the

:40:27. > :40:31.1990s and it was simple in comparison. It is important to look

:40:32. > :40:34.at history. I threw every service at my patient before it sticks.

:40:35. > :40:41.Antidepressants is the last thing I would do... The evidence is pretty

:40:42. > :40:47.poor for them. 2002, 2003, a committee advised us against the use

:40:48. > :40:52.of antidepressants in young people. Particularly a class of drug of

:40:53. > :40:59.which fluoxetine and Prozac is one member. Because of the slight

:41:00. > :41:06.increase in suicidal thought. The only drug which is licensed or used

:41:07. > :41:09.in the treatment of depression is fluoxetine, so sometimes when you

:41:10. > :41:13.only have as an that is what you use. With the huge waiting list and

:41:14. > :41:16.the length of time it takes young people to see a counsellor for

:41:17. > :41:21.humble, perhaps you can understand why some GPs will not use

:41:22. > :41:25.antidepressants as a last resort but something they will reach for

:41:26. > :41:29.earlier. -- for example. I have chatted with my colleagues and

:41:30. > :41:34.pretty much all of them have said, don't touch them, use anything else.

:41:35. > :41:41.Why has there been a huge rise in last years? There was a dip from

:41:42. > :41:46.2002 when the guidance was issued and an increase from 2005, and that

:41:47. > :41:51.is what this paper is echoing. The guidance of 2005, the last time it

:41:52. > :41:55.was updated, it said that in particular places under specialist

:41:56. > :42:04.guidance, antidepressants treatment is available. I would only prescribe

:42:05. > :42:09.it to a child or adolescent under the guidance of an expert and the

:42:10. > :42:14.challenge is getting one. There are gap in provision, lack of funding,

:42:15. > :42:18.things like that. Apart from counselling and antidepressants,

:42:19. > :42:22.what else could young people and children do if they are experiencing

:42:23. > :42:27.anxiety and feelings of depression? I tend to look for the root cause.

:42:28. > :42:32.The pill is not a pill for a better life and it is those depressive

:42:33. > :42:41.which are tonnes of wider problems. Social services can get involved. --

:42:42. > :42:45.symptoms. Local charities can help with people with mental health

:42:46. > :42:50.difficulties. The charity sector often fills a gap which the NHS

:42:51. > :42:57.cannot because of funding. Have you got time for that? It is my job. My

:42:58. > :43:01.wife never sees me. Fair enough. George, you said you were hoping for

:43:02. > :43:04.another couple of months is taking these drugs for a period of

:43:05. > :43:11.stability, and then you can come of them. Do you approach it with

:43:12. > :43:21.optimism or is it something you are worried about? -- off. To be honest,

:43:22. > :43:28.I feel like I have been pushed to my limits already, and I am relieved of

:43:29. > :43:32.the possibility to have that chance was I campaign on campus the

:43:33. > :43:36.the possibility to have that chance to basically get young people to

:43:37. > :43:45.have a voice over mental health, to try and build up more support based

:43:46. > :43:52.atmosphere at the University, so we have a support service alongside our

:43:53. > :43:57.official student support, there is also a well-being Society. I am very

:43:58. > :44:06.optimistic. I think there is a long way to go but I think it is a good

:44:07. > :44:11.place to start today. I wish you all the best, thank you for talking to

:44:12. > :44:21.us, I appreciate your time. Thank you to Doctor Matt. Chris has got in

:44:22. > :44:26.touch to say that if it were not for you to Doctor Matt. Chris has got in

:44:27. > :44:30.Sir George Martin and the four boys from the Beatles, I would never have

:44:31. > :44:35.picked up a guitar. Thank you and God bless. We will talk more about

:44:36. > :44:40.the impact that George Martin had on the Beatles and various other

:44:41. > :44:47.artists over the years by talking to those who knew him. It is now time

:44:48. > :44:53.for the weather. The award-winning Carol Kirkwood! She has been given

:44:54. > :45:00.an award for being the best weather presenter in the world, is that

:45:01. > :45:11.right? Only by you, Victoria! I did win an award and it was lovely. Who

:45:12. > :45:15.gave it to you? The TRIC Awards. A huge honour. You have one back for

:45:16. > :45:22.the past 15 years, haven't you? I have won it eight times. Listen to

:45:23. > :45:31.a! Just eight times! On graduation, well-deserved. Lovely to see you.

:45:32. > :45:40.It has been so wet. This is today's rein in the south of England. Look

:45:41. > :45:47.what happens after today, there is not much rainfall on the chart.

:45:48. > :45:53.Spring! As we move further doors, there

:45:54. > :45:57.isn't so much rainfall around, and over the next couple of days, you

:45:58. > :46:01.can see still there is going to be some, then that peters out more less

:46:02. > :46:06.extra week, because high-pressure really dominate our weather. You are

:46:07. > :46:10.interested in if it is going to be cold or mild, for some of us as we

:46:11. > :46:15.head into the weekend, it will be mild, but let me show you some

:46:16. > :46:22.pictures from this morning. Gorgeous in County Down there, and as we move

:46:23. > :46:29.across into Durham, we do have some rain, lying snow at height, and in

:46:30. > :46:30.Norfolk, some rain. That is today's story, wet and windy.

:46:31. > :46:41.I will leave you to it. We do have some heavy rain, it is

:46:42. > :46:47.torrential and drifting eastwards, and accompanied by some hill snow.

:46:48. > :46:50.And also some gales. This is the low pressure responsible for it, you can

:46:51. > :46:54.see the rain coming along at the centre of the low pressure, that is

:46:55. > :47:03.half the story. There has been some localised flooding, so if you are

:47:04. > :47:09.travelling, do take care. Very gusty winds across Wales and the

:47:10. > :47:14.south-west, to 70 mph on the coast. That is now slowly going to ease,

:47:15. > :47:17.but it is still pretty potent across the Channel Islands, and we have

:47:18. > :47:23.that combination of wet and windy weather. You can see how the rain

:47:24. > :47:27.continues across much of England, moving slowly out of Wales through

:47:28. > :47:32.the morning, and further the North of England and the Northwest,

:47:33. > :47:35.brighter skies. Scotland will be wondering what all the fuss is

:47:36. > :47:40.about, we have a fair bit of sunshine, but a little cloud in the

:47:41. > :47:44.East. As we had on through the rest of the day, this area of low

:47:45. > :47:49.pressure very slowly drifts towards the east and also the south. The

:47:50. > :47:53.wind will slowly start to ease, but it is still going to be windy across

:47:54. > :47:59.Wales and the South West, but you can see how it brightens up,

:48:00. > :48:02.particularly in the West. Through the evening and overnight, we lose

:48:03. > :48:08.the low-pressure, pushing south, and we still have a weather front across

:48:09. > :48:12.eastern parts of England. It is going to be a cold night, these are

:48:13. > :48:18.the temperatures in towns and cities, in rural areas they will be

:48:19. > :48:23.lower than that. We could also see some icy patches first thing in the

:48:24. > :48:27.morning. Here is our weather front first thing in the morning,

:48:28. > :48:34.producing all this cloud. Most of the showers will fade, but there

:48:35. > :48:38.will be quite a bit of cloud around. Parts of eastern England and also

:48:39. > :48:43.the West, we will see at cloud over in western parts of Northern

:48:44. > :48:48.Ireland. Temperatures are getting in towards double figures once again. A

:48:49. > :48:54.lot of dry weather across England and Wales, as I was just showing

:48:55. > :48:57.Victoria there. For Northern Ireland and western Scotland, we are looking

:48:58. > :49:02.for a rain at times, not particularly heavy rain, but it will

:49:03. > :49:07.be there nonetheless. Enter Saturday, things will start to

:49:08. > :49:10.improve of us. As we head on into Sunday, again, a lot of dry weather

:49:11. > :49:13.around, but just the showers still in the North and West, so things

:49:14. > :49:19.settling down the touch. Just after ten, I'm Victoria

:49:20. > :49:27.Derbyshire, good morning.. "The greatest music

:49:28. > :49:29.producer of all time", "The Beatles were like an orchestra

:49:30. > :49:31.without a conductor, until he gave them

:49:32. > :49:33.a shape and a sound." Just some of the tributes

:49:34. > :49:36.this morning to the news that the man known

:49:37. > :49:38.as the fifth Beatle - He could translate and suggest a lot

:49:39. > :49:42.of things: 'look chaps I thought And I came up with this, and we were

:49:43. > :49:55.like, great, great! He taught us a lot and we taught him

:49:56. > :49:59.a lot through our primitive music Junior doctors are striking again

:50:00. > :50:20.today for the 3rd time. But how much support is there for

:50:21. > :50:21.them? Most viewers are supportive, and we will get more reaction from

:50:22. > :50:29.you'll it all in the programme. And six of the Hatton Garden robbers

:50:30. > :50:32.get sentenced this morning for their parts in the biggest

:50:33. > :50:35.burglary in British legal history - we speak to a former armed robber

:50:36. > :50:38.who met two of them during his time Good morning. The menus so far this

:50:39. > :50:46.morning: The man behind the fab four -

:50:47. > :50:50.record producer Sir George Martin - Sir George - also known

:50:51. > :50:55.as the fifth Beatle, records over his career,

:50:56. > :50:58.working with stars such as Dame Shirley Bassey

:50:59. > :51:10.and Cilla Black. # People living in the world agree

:51:11. > :51:15.# There will be an answer # Let it be, let it be.

:51:16. > :51:17.Another junior doctors strike has started in England -

:51:18. > :51:22.it's the third walkout in a dispute over pay and conditions

:51:23. > :51:32.More than 5000 treatments have been postponed, but there is still

:51:33. > :51:36.emergency care. The junior doctors don't fix the Government have done

:51:37. > :51:40.enough over the disagreement. There has been a reluctance on the

:51:41. > :51:42.Government's sides to come forward and continue negotiation when the

:51:43. > :51:47.BMA have stated we need to negotiate. An imposition is no way

:51:48. > :51:51.to move forwards in the health service, and as doctors, we know

:51:52. > :51:55.absolutely that this contract is unsafe all.

:51:56. > :51:57.The number of under-18-year-olds on anti-depressants rose sharply

:51:58. > :52:00.between 2005 and 20-12 - by 54 per cent.

:52:01. > :52:03.The World Health Organisation is worried - it says there's 'no

:52:04. > :52:07.justification' for the drugs being used widely in young people.

:52:08. > :52:10.Amazon has announced it is to create 1,000 new jobs

:52:11. > :52:16.They'll include engineers and computing staff.

:52:17. > :52:23.Buckingham Palace insists the Queen is "politically neutral" over

:52:24. > :52:25.the referendum on the EU after the Sun newspaper claimed

:52:26. > :52:39.The Palace says it won't comment on spurious reports.

:52:40. > :52:42.Plans to relax Sunday trading laws in England and Wales could be

:52:43. > :52:43.blocked in the House of Commons today.

:52:44. > :52:45.The Scottish National Party is to join those voting

:52:46. > :52:48.against the proposals - even though the plans DON'T

:52:49. > :52:50.The government has accused the SNP of hypocrisy.

:52:51. > :52:53.The SNP move means the Government could lose the vote.

:52:54. > :53:08.A baby bonobo ape has been born at Twycross Zoo in Leicestershire.

:53:09. > :53:10.The zoo announced that first time mother Kianga gave

:53:11. > :53:14.birth on the 9th of February It's one of only such 11 births in zoos

:53:15. > :53:17.Police in Australia have said that a British backpacker fought back

:53:18. > :53:20.with a knife after she was allegedly stabbed repeatedly by her housemate

:53:21. > :53:24.More on that later on in the programme. Here is the sport now.

:53:25. > :53:27.Good morning. After five matches without a win

:53:28. > :53:30.Arsenal beat Hull 4-0 last night It didn't stop some

:53:31. > :53:33.of the supporters unfurling a banner Arsene Wenger shrugged off

:53:34. > :53:44.the crticism, saying he's surprised so many

:53:45. > :53:46.people are judging This was a replay in Hull

:53:47. > :53:49.after a goaless first meeting. It was easy for the Cup holders

:53:50. > :53:52.against their Championship Olivier Giroud scored twice -

:53:53. > :53:55.his celebration marking the fact that he has just become a father

:53:56. > :53:58.for the second time. Theo Walcott got the other two

:53:59. > :54:01.goals, the only concern for Wenger, injuries to Per Mertesacker,

:54:02. > :54:03.Gabriel and Aaron Ramsey. scored his 40th goal

:54:04. > :54:07.of the season last night, his 13th in Europe, as Real Madrid

:54:08. > :54:10.made it through to the last 8 Madrid were 2-0 up

:54:11. > :54:14.from the first leg of their tie against Roma

:54:15. > :54:16.and matched that scoreline Wolfsburg are also through

:54:17. > :54:19.to the quarterfinals. Chelsea face Paris St Germain

:54:20. > :54:22.in the second leg of their tie A new era at Fifa is under way

:54:23. > :54:33.with Gianni Infantino in charge but investigations

:54:34. > :54:35.continue into Sepp The French Football Federation

:54:36. > :54:38.headquarters in Paris was raided yesterday in connection

:54:39. > :54:41.with criminal proceedings the criminal investigation

:54:42. > :54:48.into corruption at Fifa say

:54:49. > :54:54.documents were seized relating to the banned Uefda President

:54:55. > :55:01.Michel Platini in 2011. This morning a spokesman

:55:02. > :55:03.for the Kremlin says Russian Sport as whole shouldn't be judged

:55:04. > :55:06.by Maria Sharapova's failed drugs The five time Grand Slam winner

:55:07. > :55:10.revealed on Monday that she tested positive for the banned

:55:11. > :55:11.substance meldonium It was only added to the Wada banned

:55:12. > :55:18.list at the turn of the year. She said she had been taking it for

:55:19. > :55:22.ten years. Their former President says she has

:55:23. > :55:25.been reckless and the manner of her announcement

:55:26. > :55:30.also surprised him. The shocking part is she simply

:55:31. > :55:35.admitted she failed the test and was not contesting it. Normally what

:55:36. > :55:37.athletes do is they say it was a mistake, somebody switch the sample,

:55:38. > :55:47.but at least she acknowledged she had been caught. As I understand it,

:55:48. > :55:51.the usage of this drug is topical, and not over long periods of time,

:55:52. > :55:58.so somebody will have to make a judgment on that. That is it for

:55:59. > :56:03.now. I will be back at half past ten.

:56:04. > :56:05.We'll have a close look at the dire state

:56:06. > :56:08.of the Premier League clubs in the North East

:56:09. > :56:13.Newcastle and Sunderland hanging on by their fingertips. Thank you.

:56:14. > :56:16.Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:56:17. > :56:19.and as always keen to hear from you on all the stories we're

:56:20. > :56:23.Lots of you getting in touch to tell us

:56:24. > :56:25.whether you support the junior doctors strike.

:56:26. > :56:31.This twitch from David, the main focus is not money, it is working

:56:32. > :56:37.conditions that create tired doctors and endanger patients. This tweet,

:56:38. > :56:43.the doctors' strike hurts the public, and the NHS saves a fortune

:56:44. > :56:48.in wages, the NHS winds. This tweet, I fully support the doctors strike,

:56:49. > :56:53.it is a disgrace they have been forced into this by the Government.

:56:54. > :56:58.The strategy has failed, says another tweet, they have lost the

:56:59. > :57:02.battle. And Tim says, doctors say they will be working longer hours.

:57:03. > :57:05.Can someone explain how this will be when the new ceiling is 70 hours. I

:57:06. > :57:10.have never heard doctors or the media explain this. It leads one to

:57:11. > :57:13.believe it may really be about money, not the patients. Doctors do

:57:14. > :57:18.an amazing job, but who wants to be treated by someone who has been on

:57:19. > :57:27.duty for 90 hours? We will talk about the hours more after 1013 --

:57:28. > :57:33.half-past ten this morning. Do keep in touch. If you are tweeting, use

:57:34. > :57:35.the hashtag, and if you are texting, you will be charged your standard

:57:36. > :57:37.network rate. Wherever you are you can

:57:38. > :57:40.watch our programme online - via the bbc news app

:57:41. > :57:42.or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. We're talking this morning

:57:43. > :57:45.about the death of the man known as the fifth Beatle,

:57:46. > :57:47.Sir George Martin. Tributes have been pouring

:57:48. > :57:58.in for the record producer Thank you to you for sending in your

:57:59. > :58:05.tributes. This tweet, the Beatles were the soundtrack to my teenage

:58:06. > :58:10.years, thank you, George. He defined the role of producer, and without

:58:11. > :58:16.his work, rock'n'roll would never have gained the credibility that

:58:17. > :58:22.defined all that came after. I met him a few times, but he never made

:58:23. > :58:26.meetings feel rushed. He was benign, modest, giving, willing to share and

:58:27. > :58:29.genuinely a gentleman. There is a moment in a documentary about

:58:30. > :58:33.Sergeant Pepper where he strips back the track of that Jack Straw Bree

:58:34. > :58:44.Fields and uncovers the first recording of John's voice. --

:58:45. > :58:47.Strawberry Fields. He allowed the band to experiment and indulge in

:58:48. > :58:54.their wildest and most elaborate ideas. It was his decision to put

:58:55. > :59:01.strings on Yesterday. # Suddenly

:59:02. > :59:07.# I'm not half the man I used to be # There is a shadow hanging over me

:59:08. > :59:15.# Oh, yesterday # Came suddenly

:59:16. > :59:25.# Why she had to go, I don't know # She wouldn't say

:59:26. > :59:33.# I said nothing wrong # Now I long for yesterday

:59:34. > :59:41.# Yesterday # Love was such an easy game to play

:59:42. > :59:49.# Now I need a place to hide away # Oh, I believe in yesterday...

:59:50. > :00:00.Here in the studio, music journalist Jonathan Wingate, who interviewed

:00:01. > :00:02.George Martin, and you to know everything about this man, I want to

:00:03. > :00:05.hear you eulogise. And BBC Radio 6 Music

:00:06. > :00:14.presenter Matt Everitt. Where do we start with the greatest

:00:15. > :00:17.music producer of all-time? It is incredible to think about what he

:00:18. > :00:21.achieved with the Beatles, never mind the fact that he worked with

:00:22. > :00:25.others like Shirley Bassey and Cilla Black and Jeff Beck. The Beatles

:00:26. > :00:32.recorded 12 albums in seven years, and he produced 11 of those. It is a

:00:33. > :00:35.staggering achievement. Every single one of those enormous and creative

:00:36. > :00:38.jobs that the Beatles made, he was with them, enabling and realising

:00:39. > :00:43.their ambition in a way else could have done.

:00:44. > :00:49.He translated their ideas, he came from a classical music background,

:00:50. > :00:53.and the Beatles were not sophisticated when they met him, and

:00:54. > :00:59.he was able to pull their theoretical ideas into reality, and

:01:00. > :01:03.send them off into another planet. Give me an example. The famous

:01:04. > :01:09.example of when they were recording a macro revolver, possibly the

:01:10. > :01:17.greatest album of all time, and they were doing Tomorrow to-macro never

:01:18. > :01:23.Knows. It was left field dance music, and he said to John Lennon,

:01:24. > :01:31.what you want here, John? He said, I want to sound like 1000 Tibetan

:01:32. > :01:37.monks on the top of a mountain. George Martin then went away... They

:01:38. > :01:41.used to wear lab coats in those days, he went away with the

:01:42. > :01:44.engineers and he came up with the idea to take a Speaker and smallest

:01:45. > :01:49.around the room on a chain, and that is how you get that swishing

:01:50. > :01:56.whirling sound. He was able to take their ideas and put them into

:01:57. > :02:02.reality from their very theoretical ideas. Of course, if you listen to

:02:03. > :02:08.Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby, they wear his arrangements, so he brought

:02:09. > :02:15.that classical sophistication to the band that they did not have before

:02:16. > :02:18.that. He was the fifth Beetle, a lot of people have claimed that and I

:02:19. > :02:23.don't think they would have been the same cultural force or left the same

:02:24. > :02:28.mark on the musical landscape give George Martin had not been around.

:02:29. > :02:31.-- Beatle. I find it funny that he told me that he only gave them an

:02:32. > :02:39.audition because he felt sorry for Brian +. There is the question of

:02:40. > :02:46.the faith in the band when he got the audition tape which he was not

:02:47. > :02:51.keen on. -- Epstein. He drew it out of them and that stayed for his

:02:52. > :02:54.entire career stop he always had faith with them no matter how

:02:55. > :02:59.strange the ideas, he would indulge them. They trusted him, that was

:03:00. > :03:04.important. The Beatles did not trust a lot of people, they were in an

:03:05. > :03:08.enclosed environment, and is a became those for famous young men,

:03:09. > :03:12.they continued to trust him and he growled these performances as well.

:03:13. > :03:18.Getting those people together to record not just those songs but

:03:19. > :03:23.those performances that capture such a motion, he oversaw that I was able

:03:24. > :03:27.to do that and they trusted him. We have heard a lot of music he

:03:28. > :03:36.produced this morning but let's hear some more from him. He was recently

:03:37. > :03:44.interviewed on BBC Four. Here we as with Paul McCartney. George

:03:45. > :03:53.Martin... George Madison Martin. Come on, George. Say a few words of

:03:54. > :03:56.a Christmas market. It has been a switched on year for George and we

:03:57. > :04:13.hope you appreciate it, here he is. LAUGHTER He won't talk! He won't!

:04:14. > :04:22.One, two, three... # AULD LANG SYNE a load of lunatics

:04:23. > :04:30.if you ask me! That is a fan club record if you ask me. Remember that?

:04:31. > :04:35.Well done. Every year, we take ten minutes of the session time and do

:04:36. > :04:42.nonsense like this. I had forgotten. We could not get you to speak. So

:04:43. > :04:47.professional! EMI were such a funny place in those days. We thought of

:04:48. > :04:53.it as being like the BBC, a huge monolithic corporation but groovy

:04:54. > :04:59.with it kind of thing. When we went to the toilet, there was this

:05:00. > :05:06.old-fashioned toilet roll, and on every sheet it had "Property of

:05:07. > :05:15.EMI". Do they think somebody is going to nick it?! I wish I had one

:05:16. > :05:20.of those. Then you can remember who it belongs to when you are in there

:05:21. > :05:27.using it. So good to see the dynamic between them. He is very well spoken

:05:28. > :05:31.but came from humble beginnings. It was the son of a carpenter and he

:05:32. > :05:37.grew up in one room in Holloway. He has sort of reinvented himself to an

:05:38. > :05:41.amazing degree. Everybody thinks of them is coming from a privileged

:05:42. > :05:44.background. He was in the air force for a while when he lost his Cockney

:05:45. > :05:50.accent and became a distinguished character. Yes, it suited the

:05:51. > :05:53.Beatles to have him as a foil as well. He was a straightlaced

:05:54. > :05:58.character which they enjoyed, and there were stories about when they

:05:59. > :06:03.indulged in various substances and he had to turn a blind eye. The boys

:06:04. > :06:08.have just gone off to the bathroom for a while. I love that. In

:06:09. > :06:11.cultural and business terms, they were the most powerful people in the

:06:12. > :06:15.entertainment business but they were not allowed to be naughty boys in

:06:16. > :06:21.the studio in front of their father figure, George Martin. They would go

:06:22. > :06:28.up to the room to do those things. 1963, songs he produced spent 33

:06:29. > :06:32.weeks at number one across that year. Extraordinary. Goldfinger by

:06:33. > :06:38.Shirley Bassey, one of the most amazing pop songs, he did that as

:06:39. > :06:47.well. Alfie by Cilla Black, a beautiful classic song. A solo with

:06:48. > :06:51.Paul McCartney as well. Live and Let Die, an epic pop song. He was not

:06:52. > :06:56.just limited to those records but they were important. The production

:06:57. > :06:59.is what always perfect, perfect for what was required at the time,

:07:00. > :07:04.whether he was doing the Burt Bacharach session with Cilla Black,

:07:05. > :07:09.Alfie, or whether it was Live and Let Die, a pure intravenous shot of

:07:10. > :07:14.rock 'n' roll excitement, isn't it? He just knew exactly what the right

:07:15. > :07:18.setting was. We put the frame around the music. He knew what was right

:07:19. > :07:25.for them. He was resigned to the fact that his career would boil down

:07:26. > :07:30.to his work with the Beatles, probably rightly so, but if you

:07:31. > :07:35.think about that other stuff, whether it was Live and Let Die or

:07:36. > :07:40.Goldfinger, or any other stuff... He also came from a comedy background

:07:41. > :07:44.which is why the Beatles wanted to sign him in the first place. That is

:07:45. > :07:47.where he made his name and cut his teeth, making records for Bernard

:07:48. > :07:54.Cribbins and Peter Sellers and Sophia Lorentz. That is where all of

:07:55. > :08:01.those with avant-garde ideas came into the music of this soup of

:08:02. > :08:09.sound. He really had his training making comedy records and Brian +

:08:10. > :08:17.was mortified at the idea of signing to them. There was the comedy

:08:18. > :08:21.records and jazz, and classical, and the early sort of performances

:08:22. > :08:27.coming he had to capture an audience at once in a life record. He had all

:08:28. > :08:33.this training and realised the potential of these for scruffy lads

:08:34. > :08:37.LET me read some messages. In my life, he has given me the most

:08:38. > :08:41.incredible enjoyment as well as millions around the world and

:08:42. > :08:47.universe. So many people have described him as a gentleman. I had

:08:48. > :08:51.the privilege of meeting him in the 1970s and worked for an unsuccessful

:08:52. > :08:57.publisher in the same building and most Fridays, his PA Shirley Woods

:08:58. > :09:05.invite everybody up to its office for a Friday afternoon bop. He would

:09:06. > :09:09.sit at his desk working away and smiling but always declined

:09:10. > :09:13.invitations to dance. It was the most warm-hearted, modest and kind

:09:14. > :09:19.man I have met. Lots of people have said this. His son, Giles, one of

:09:20. > :09:25.its poor kids, a record producer, and helped with the later projects

:09:26. > :09:30.of the Beatles, tweeted a little message saying happy birthday, dad,

:09:31. > :09:37.proof that a martini a day does you no damage. I think he maintains an

:09:38. > :09:43.enjoyable lifestyle up until the end. Angry very much. Your tributes

:09:44. > :09:48.are still welcome, obviously, still e-mail us.

:09:49. > :09:56.Are Sunday trading laws out of date in modern Britain or is it important

:09:57. > :09:59.to protect it as a special day for workers who want to spend time

:10:00. > :10:04.It was one of the most "brazen robberies" Britain has seen for some

:10:05. > :10:07.time - four pensions with a combined age of 278 plotted and carried out

:10:08. > :10:09.the ?14 million jewellery raid at Hatton Garden in London.

:10:10. > :10:12.The gang drilled through a two metre wall of reinforced concrete in April

:10:13. > :10:15.last year to gain access to hundreds safety deposit boxes after climbing

:10:16. > :10:21.As our reporter Daniel Sandford discovered it was no easy task:

:10:22. > :10:31.In this block of concrete we have drilled three 25 centimetre holes

:10:32. > :10:34.which is pretty much exactly what the men who broke

:10:35. > :10:38.And having made the holes we couldn't resist seeing how easy

:10:39. > :10:42.I am told it is possible, but it looks very, very tight.

:10:43. > :10:45.I am told the best way to do it is to use the Superman pose

:10:46. > :10:48.so I'm going to put my right hand through first,

:10:49. > :11:08.Struggling to get my second hand out.

:11:09. > :11:14.Somebody needs to give me a bit of a push.

:11:15. > :11:32.Once that hand is out, it is possible.

:11:33. > :11:36.There you are, it is a quick job as long as you have got the holes,

:11:37. > :11:38.but I have to say, it is very, very, very tight.

:11:39. > :11:41.Once inside they stole jewellery, gold and cash, which they later hid

:11:42. > :11:45.behind skirting boards at various houses.

:11:46. > :11:47.One gang member even buried several bags of jewellery under memorial

:11:48. > :11:55.Today a judge will hand out sentences for the audacious crime.

:11:56. > :11:56.Our reporter Daniella Replh has their story.

:11:57. > :12:08.When others would be enjoying their retirement,

:12:09. > :12:10.these four men were plotting a daring heist.

:12:11. > :12:13.Brian Reader was the one the others called The Master,

:12:14. > :12:17.and the oldest, he even used a free bus pass to get to Hatton Garden.

:12:18. > :12:19.The CCTV placed him at the scene disguised as a workman.

:12:20. > :12:30.Brian Reader appeared in the dock handcuffed to police officers.

:12:31. > :12:32.Decades earlier the notorious ?26 million Brinks Mat robbery

:12:33. > :12:39.Then, in his mid-40s, he was sentenced to eight years

:12:40. > :12:41.in jail for handling stolen gold bullion.

:12:42. > :12:47.Terry Perkins celebrated his 67th birthday during the burglary.

:12:48. > :12:53.Here on CCTV, pushing a wheelie bin full of stolen jewels.

:12:54. > :12:55.A diabetic, he brought his medication in with him.

:12:56. > :13:00.He said without it he would have been the one taken out in a bin.

:13:01. > :13:06.Sentenced to 22 years for his part in the ?6 million raid

:13:07. > :13:08.on the Security Express headquarters in east London.

:13:09. > :13:10.The detective who helped convict them is astonished

:13:11. > :13:19.I was absolutely flabbergasted because I would have thought

:13:20. > :13:22.he would have learnt his lesson and retired and got on with his

:13:23. > :13:25.property letting, but obviously he decided to have one more go

:13:26. > :13:33.74-year-old Kenny Collins was the lookout on the night

:13:34. > :13:40.Although some of the group claimed he fell asleep

:13:41. > :13:44.He was filmed the morning after, walking away from the scene,

:13:45. > :13:48.smartly dressed with a briefcase in hand.

:13:49. > :13:51.He had also helped plan the heist and aftermath and often

:13:52. > :13:55.Danny Jones was described in court as the eccentric,

:13:56. > :13:58.a Walter Mitty character who liked to wear a fez and his mother's

:13:59. > :14:07.He admitted that he had hidden some of the stolen jewellery beneath

:14:08. > :14:10.family memorial stones at a north London cemetery.

:14:11. > :14:14.The police found far more than he had revealed.

:14:15. > :14:18.At 60 years old he was the youngest of the four.

:14:19. > :14:20.Here on a walkie-talkie outside the vault appearing to coordinate

:14:21. > :14:26.events, and he too had a history of burglary.

:14:27. > :14:29.The raid here at Hatton Garden over the Easter weekend

:14:30. > :14:35.What would make a group of pensioners, even

:14:36. > :14:38.with their criminal past, take such an enormous risk?

:14:39. > :14:40.This kind of criminal enterprise gives them excitement,

:14:41. > :14:43.makes them feel alive, takes them out of the banality

:14:44. > :14:48.and ordinariness of their everyday lives.

:14:49. > :14:50.It is that dream aspirational job that everybody in this kind

:14:51. > :14:56.of world, that kind of underworld, dreams about.

:14:57. > :14:59.Even at their age they just couldn't resist, but their final crime

:15:00. > :15:07.This group of unusual suspects now faces spending their twilight

:15:08. > :15:17.We can speak now to John O'Connor, former head of the flying squad,

:15:18. > :15:19.the Met Police's specialist armed robbery investigators

:15:20. > :15:23.and Noel Smith, a former armed robber, who's spent more than half

:15:24. > :15:26.of his life in prison, who knew two of the robbers -

:15:27. > :15:38.Why did they do this again? Two of them have been caught and been in

:15:39. > :15:42.jail. I don't think that would be a deterrent. They would look at the

:15:43. > :15:44.chances of getting away with it. If the information was good and they

:15:45. > :15:49.had enough inside knowledge, they would give it a go. These are men

:15:50. > :15:56.that have Robert Lee got not a lot come from -- probably not got a lot

:15:57. > :16:00.coming in, they are getting frail, getting into their old age, and they

:16:01. > :16:05.have taken the risk, and it is a dreadful risk, frankly. If they had

:16:06. > :16:09.looked at the history of these crimes, they always get caught. What

:16:10. > :16:14.you mean? These are the major crimes where there are more than two or

:16:15. > :16:21.three people involved, and they take out a depot for maybe Securicor or a

:16:22. > :16:26.safe-deposit company, there are 23 that we have had like that, the

:16:27. > :16:30.Anchor of America twice, the Knightsbridge safety deposit

:16:31. > :16:35.company, Hatton Garden, they have always been caught. They don't

:16:36. > :16:40.always get the booty back, but they always get convictions out of it. It

:16:41. > :16:44.is a dreadful risk to take, and as I heard one journalist described it as

:16:45. > :16:49.an analogue crime in a digital age, they underestimate the ability of

:16:50. > :16:54.the police and the ability of the technology that the police have got

:16:55. > :17:00.access to, enhancing photographs, the use of CCTV, our whole raft of

:17:01. > :17:05.things that go on, and I think they ignored that, to their downfall.

:17:06. > :17:15.Gnoll, EU new Terry Perkins and Brian Reading

:17:16. > :17:28.-- what were they like? Just typical criminals, really, respected. Not

:17:29. > :17:37.respected now, surely? They have been caught twice? Mac the planning

:17:38. > :17:40.of the crime was Premiership, and the crime itself was Sunday league

:17:41. > :17:45.football, but they will lose some credibility, but they spent a lot of

:17:46. > :17:50.years in jail, and technology pass them by. They were forensically

:17:51. > :17:54.aware enough not to leave fingerprints and DNA, and wear

:17:55. > :17:58.masks, but the other side of it, the surveillance, seems to have slipped

:17:59. > :18:04.by them. Why'd you think they did this? If you are a professional

:18:05. > :18:09.criminal and you have been doing it all your life, you do get addicted

:18:10. > :18:13.to it. There is what criminals call the bars. The money is also very

:18:14. > :18:17.helpful, especially if you are getting into your 60s and 70s, and

:18:18. > :18:22.you have spent years being a criminal, and a lot of time in

:18:23. > :18:27.prison, you won't have a pension to retire to, and the money will be

:18:28. > :18:31.attractive. It is a step down for some of them, they were serious

:18:32. > :18:34.armed robbers who committed seriously violent crimes with

:18:35. > :18:37.firearms in the past, and I suppose they look at it as a simple

:18:38. > :18:44.it, good, and if we don't, it isn't it, good, and if we don't, it isn't

:18:45. > :18:49.a massive sentence. The maximum guidelines are ten years for

:18:50. > :18:52.burglary. Some are urging the judge to ignore the guidelines, I'm not

:18:53. > :18:58.sure that is allowable. I don't think he will. I think they are

:18:59. > :19:01.probably looking at about eight years, because they need to get some

:19:02. > :19:05.credit for pleading guilty, although one would have to look at and say,

:19:06. > :19:08.their backs were completely to the wall, they would be absolutely

:19:09. > :19:16.stupid to try to fight it and say they were innocent. Can I ask you

:19:17. > :19:18.about Basil involved as well, who is still at large. The police say they

:19:19. > :19:25.don't know anything about this person or where he is. You buy that?

:19:26. > :19:27.Not necessarily. The police are not there to give a running commentary

:19:28. > :19:31.on their investigation, but I thought it was interesting in the

:19:32. > :19:36.letter that one of them sent to a television studio saying that he

:19:37. > :19:48.didn't know the identity of Basil, but she believed he was a retired

:19:49. > :19:51.senior police officer. That is typical of those scandals to try to

:19:52. > :19:55.throw the blame somewhere Rasen hope that Scotland Yard would go, this is

:19:56. > :20:01.far more serious than the robbery, we have corruption here, let's spend

:20:02. > :20:04.all our resources try to find him. It was nonsense, really. They have

:20:05. > :20:07.wriggled every which way to try to get sympathy, to try to get a

:20:08. > :20:11.reduced sentence, they frankly don't deserve it. With their records, they

:20:12. > :20:15.deserve the maximum with a little bit knocked off for pleading guilty,

:20:16. > :20:24.and that is what I think will happen.

:20:25. > :20:27.Thank you to both of you. Junior doctors are striking again, we will

:20:28. > :20:31.get reaction in the next half an hour.

:20:32. > :20:35.The man behind the fab four, record producer Sir George Martin,

:20:36. > :20:39.Sir George, often called the fifth Beatle for his work

:20:40. > :20:41.with the Liverpudlian band, produced more than 700 records

:20:42. > :20:45.Back in 1975, John Lennon described what it was like working

:20:46. > :21:03.# People living in the world agree # There will be an answer

:21:04. > :21:10.# Let it be. We did a lot of learning together. He had a very

:21:11. > :21:12.great musical knowledge and background, so he could translate

:21:13. > :21:19.for us and suggest a lot of things, which he did.

:21:20. > :21:21.The number of under-18-year-olds on anti-depressants rose sharply

:21:22. > :21:23.between 2005 and 20-12 - by 54 per cent.

:21:24. > :21:26.The World Health Organisation is worried - it says there's 'no

:21:27. > :21:29.justification' for the drugs being used widely in young people.

:21:30. > :21:31.Amazon has announced it is to create 1,000 new jobs

:21:32. > :21:39.They'll include engineers and computing staff.

:21:40. > :21:41.Buckingham Palace insists the Queen is "politically neutral" over

:21:42. > :21:44.the referendum on the EU - after the Sun newspaper claimed

:21:45. > :21:56.The Palace says it won't comment on 'spurious' reports.

:21:57. > :22:03.Two banks have just lost a big case over attacks on bonus schemes.

:22:04. > :22:07.Deutsche Bank at UBS must now pay up after the ruling. Schemes dating

:22:08. > :22:10.back to 2004 were intended to avoid tax, but both acts had argued the

:22:11. > :22:16.bonus schemes didn't break any rules. Those are the headlines.

:22:17. > :22:32.Here is Ollie at the BBC sports centre. Thank you very much indeed.

:22:33. > :22:35.So much exciting at the top of the Premier League table, but also

:22:36. > :22:47.varies while at the bottom, there has always been one club at the

:22:48. > :22:50.bottom of old, but both have had shocking seasons. Let's bring in

:22:51. > :22:56.Richard Conway. Would you like to declare a vested interest in this

:22:57. > :22:58.story? I am from the north-east, but those great BBC Wales of

:22:59. > :23:03.impartiality leave any club allegiance at the door when you walk

:23:04. > :23:08.in. It has been a painful season for me this year. Let's start with

:23:09. > :23:13.Newcastle, for no apparent reason. It has been painful, the fans not

:23:14. > :23:16.happy with how they are playing. Already looking at the possibility

:23:17. > :23:21.of a replacement for Steve McClaren? It has been a difficult season for

:23:22. > :23:26.him, his first season in charge. St James's Park was not a pleasant

:23:27. > :23:30.place for him on Saturday afternoon, the defeat left them firmly lodged

:23:31. > :23:34.in the relegation zone, they have ten games left to save the season,

:23:35. > :23:39.but he is left in limbo. Papers this morning reflecting the fact, calling

:23:40. > :23:48.on Rafa Benitez, your time, they say. Please save us, the message. It

:23:49. > :23:51.would be very easy for the club to kill the stories by saying, Steve

:23:52. > :23:57.McClaren is our man, he is with us for the rest of the season, and they

:23:58. > :24:00.haven't done that. They have left him hanging, and the feeling now is

:24:01. > :24:05.that it is simply a matter of time before he is dismissed, and somebody

:24:06. > :24:09.is Hawtin. The club look like they are approaching people at the

:24:10. > :24:11.moment, that seems to be the feeling. Difficult times for

:24:12. > :24:16.Newcastle, they know they have to get it right. The fans certainly

:24:17. > :24:20.want to stay in the Premier League. I was up there yesterday, Richard

:24:21. > :24:34.thought I might be heading to St James's Park. And Sunderland, the

:24:35. > :24:39.shocking way they dealt with the Adam Johnson case. They got a draw

:24:40. > :24:41.against Southampton at the weekend, looked as though they were on for

:24:42. > :24:47.the three points, but Southampton pegged the back late on. They are

:24:48. > :24:52.also fighting relegation, Sam Allardyce determine to try to save

:24:53. > :24:54.their season as well, but as you mention, that situation with Adam

:24:55. > :24:58.Johnson has been hanging over the club. You know club is in trouble

:24:59. > :25:02.when it is on the front and back pages of the papers, Margaret Byrne

:25:03. > :25:06.resigning yesterday over the way she handled the Adam Johnson situation.

:25:07. > :25:09.That has been a distraction from them as well, and they will hope now

:25:10. > :25:14.that they can get on with that, but of course Adam Johnson is due to be

:25:15. > :25:18.sentenced at some stage, and of course that will come back to haunt

:25:19. > :25:21.the club once again. Their focus needs to be on football, and they

:25:22. > :25:27.want to survive, and there is the big time and where Derby later this

:25:28. > :25:32.month, that will go a long way to determining the future of both

:25:33. > :25:39.Newcastle and Sunderland. Thank you, Richard Conway, thank you very much

:25:40. > :25:42.indeed. Before you write in, Middlesbrough fans, yes, you are

:25:43. > :25:45.doing very well in the championship, every chance you could go up to

:25:46. > :25:49.replace either Sunderland or Newcastle. That's it from us.

:25:50. > :25:55.Just had a really gorgeous statement from Sir Paul McCartney about the

:25:56. > :26:01.death of Sir George Martin. It is long, but it is so worth reading all

:26:02. > :26:06.of it. This is what he says: I am so sad to hear the news of the passing

:26:07. > :26:08.of dear George Martin. I have so many wonderful memories of this

:26:09. > :26:13.great man that will be with me forever. He was a true gentleman and

:26:14. > :26:17.like a second father to me. He guided the career of the Beatles

:26:18. > :26:21.with such skill and good humour that he became a true friend to me and my

:26:22. > :26:26.family. If anyone earned the title of the fifth Beatle, it was George.

:26:27. > :26:30.From the day he gave us our first recording contract to the last time

:26:31. > :26:34.I saw him, he was the most generous, intelligent and musical person I

:26:35. > :26:37.have ever had the pleasure to know. It is hard to choose favourite

:26:38. > :26:42.memories of my time with George, there are so many. But one that

:26:43. > :26:45.comes to mind was the first time I brought the song Yesterday to a

:26:46. > :26:49.recording session, and the guys suggested I sang it solo and

:26:50. > :26:52.accompany myself on guitar. Afterwards, George Martin said to

:26:53. > :26:57.me, I have an idea of putting a string quartet on the record. I

:26:58. > :27:02.said, oh, no, we are a rock 'n' roll band, I don't think that is a good

:27:03. > :27:05.idea. With the Gentle bedside manner of a great producer, he said to me,

:27:06. > :27:10.let's try it, and if it doesn't work, we will go with it and go with

:27:11. > :27:13.your solo version. I agreed and we worked on the arrangement. He took

:27:14. > :27:18.my cords that I showed him and spread the notes out across the

:27:19. > :27:22.piano, putting the cello in lower octave and the first violin in a

:27:23. > :27:27.high octave, and gave me my first lesson in how strings were voiced

:27:28. > :27:32.for a quartet. When we recorded the string quartet at Abbey road, it was

:27:33. > :27:36.so thrilling to know his idea was so correct, I went around telling

:27:37. > :27:43.people about it for weeks. His idea obviously worked, because the song

:27:44. > :27:49.subsequently came one of the most recorded songs ever, recorded by

:27:50. > :27:53.Frank Sinatra, and many more. This is one of the many memories I have

:27:54. > :27:59.he went on to help me with arrangements on Eleanor Rigby, Live

:28:00. > :28:06.And Let Die, and many more. I am proud to have known such a gentleman

:28:07. > :28:09.with gentleness and an ability to poke fun at himself. Even when he

:28:10. > :28:13.was knighted, there was never the slightest trace of snobbery about

:28:14. > :28:17.him. My family and I will miss him greatly, and we send our love to his

:28:18. > :28:22.family, to his wife and children and their grandchildren. The world has

:28:23. > :28:26.lost a truly great man who has left an indelible mark on my soul in the

:28:27. > :28:30.history of which is music. God bless you, George, and all who sail in

:28:31. > :28:35.you. That tribute from Sir Paul McCartney on the death of as he says

:28:36. > :28:39.a great man, a great producer and a man who was like a second father to

:28:40. > :28:42.him, so George Martin, who has died aged 90. That is a wonderful

:28:43. > :28:46.statement. Are Sunday trading laws out of date

:28:47. > :28:53.and unreflective of the way we live our lives in modern Britain

:28:54. > :28:56.or is it important to protect it as a special day for workers

:28:57. > :28:59.who want to spend time The Government could face defeat

:29:00. > :29:03.in the Commons today if it pushes ahead with plans to scrap the law

:29:04. > :29:06.in England and Wales, large stores to open

:29:07. > :29:09.for six hours on a Sunday. It's after the SNP said they'll join

:29:10. > :29:13.Tory rebels in the Commons and vote against the plans -

:29:14. > :29:15.they say because they want to defend Arguments about Sunday trading laws

:29:16. > :29:22.have gone on for years now - and no doubt you've heard many times

:29:23. > :29:25.before arguments about Sunday What kind of impact will it make

:29:26. > :29:36.on the economy? Let's talk Ralph Patel,

:29:37. > :29:38.he's been a shopkeeper in Surrey for more than 20 years and is

:29:39. > :29:42.president of the National Federation of Newsagents and doesn't want any

:29:43. > :29:44.change in the sunday trading laws in England and Wales,

:29:45. > :29:46.whereas Raoul Curtis-Machin, who owns a garden design

:29:47. > :29:48.business and speaks for the Horticultural Trades

:29:49. > :30:00.Association, is desperate Your gardening and onset is reticent

:30:01. > :30:10.family holiday. -- gardening centres. We know that our garden

:30:11. > :30:14.centre owners are unfairly hampered by this law, they are employing

:30:15. > :30:18.staff anyway on eight-hour shifts during that time. They work the same

:30:19. > :30:25.hours, it is just they cannot open tills. We just feel it is an unfair

:30:26. > :30:29.break on our industry. Is there a public demand for people to get to

:30:30. > :30:37.garden centres at 9am on Sunday, when they can get there at AM?

:30:38. > :30:46.People do queue up. From what time? 9am stock -- 11am. I was told the

:30:47. > :30:50.other week that a chap was desperate to build his patio, he was

:30:51. > :30:56.travelling for a fortnight after that, he needed the equipment, he

:30:57. > :30:59.was there at 9am with his pick-up truck, he could not believe it was

:31:00. > :31:03.not open. There is so much confusion about these outdated laws. A lot of

:31:04. > :31:14.customers do not understand them for a start. Row, why are you against

:31:15. > :31:17.Sunday trading? -- Ralph. One of the biggest issues facing retailers is

:31:18. > :31:23.that we have so much legislation, so much red tape that stops us from

:31:24. > :31:30.carrying on and having a reasonable living, working long hours, on their

:31:31. > :31:34.own most of the time, the early hours of the morning, the late hours

:31:35. > :31:37.of the evening. The current Sunday trading laws have been a good

:31:38. > :31:43.compromise for the last 20 years and there is no reason why we should

:31:44. > :31:46.change that. There is no demand, there is no consumer group who have

:31:47. > :31:55.come out and said, we should open 24-7. Nobody is saying that but the

:31:56. > :31:59.Chancellor thinks that longer trading on Sunday will help Great

:32:00. > :32:05.Britain's economy. People are shopping online so why not allow

:32:06. > :32:09.shops to compete with that? There is little or no evidence to suggest

:32:10. > :32:13.that it will boost the economy and nor is there any evidence to suggest

:32:14. > :32:17.there will be increased job opportunities. I sincerely believe

:32:18. > :32:22.that there are so many people who work in the retail industry, a

:32:23. > :32:27.recent survey was carried out among staff, and they found that 91% were

:32:28. > :32:37.totally against working additional hours. What would you say to Ralph

:32:38. > :32:44.and to those MPs who may vote this measure down so it won't happen? To

:32:45. > :32:48.Ralph, I entirely disagree 100%. In our sector, garden retail, staff

:32:49. > :32:53.enjoy working Sundays, they always have had the opportunity to opt out,

:32:54. > :32:58.and very few have exercised that option. Many people who work Sunday

:32:59. > :33:03.shifts, not a regular Monday- Friday crowd, they want extra hours on a

:33:04. > :33:06.Sunday. Customers want the extra time. Garden centre staff are

:33:07. > :33:11.employed for eight hours anyway. We know that for a fact. We have

:33:12. > :33:16.centres in England and Scotland, they have to go in and water plants,

:33:17. > :33:21.feed the animals, it is only the tills which cannot open. We find it

:33:22. > :33:25.grossly unfair that a customer can sit in the car park and order a

:33:26. > :33:30.plant on their iPad but they cannot buy it physically, which we think is

:33:31. > :33:35.nuts. It is an analog war in a digital age. We are disappointed

:33:36. > :33:40.with the SNP stance, having had discussions with them. They do

:33:41. > :33:44.support relaxation and in Scotland there is no restriction. We gather

:33:45. > :33:48.that they have requested and want stronger working rights which the

:33:49. > :33:52.government have put in place so we cannot understand it. Clearly not

:33:53. > :33:56.enough for the SNP. Denton, thank you for your time.

:33:57. > :33:59.Junior doctors in England have walked out on strike this morning

:34:00. > :34:02.It's the third time they've been on strike in a dispute

:34:03. > :34:04.with the government over whether Saturdays should be counted

:34:05. > :34:08.The British Medical Association DOESN'T think Saturdays should be

:34:09. > :34:12.they want docs who work on Saturday's to get 50% extra

:34:13. > :34:15.But the government says that's not affordable

:34:16. > :34:20.offering to pay them extra for working Saturday evenings.

:34:21. > :34:23.So how much support is there for junior doctors over their strike

:34:24. > :34:25.action and is there any sign of it waning?

:34:26. > :34:28.A poll by Ipsos MORI for BBC News suggests that around 65%

:34:29. > :34:30.of people support this latest doctors' strike -

:34:31. > :34:32.with just 17 per cent of people saying

:34:33. > :34:36.We've got a group of viewers with us this morning

:34:37. > :34:48.whose views pretty much match those of that poll...

:34:49. > :34:58.Welcome all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. OK, tell

:34:59. > :35:01.us, Rufus, why you are supporting the action? I think the NHS provides

:35:02. > :35:08.a superb medical care, but I think it is run on the cheap. France,

:35:09. > :35:12.Germany and the Netherlands spend 11% of their GDP on medical care,

:35:13. > :35:17.and we only spend 9%, so the government could afford to pay more.

:35:18. > :35:26.I think George Osborne has decided he wants to cut the NHS and Jeremy

:35:27. > :35:31.Hunt is doing the cutting. The government would say we are putting

:35:32. > :35:40.8 billion extra a year into the NHS by 2020. Who doesn't support the

:35:41. > :35:48.strike? I don't support the strike. As a matter of fact, I don't support

:35:49. > :35:55.strikes for essential services. I thank God for the NHS because my two

:35:56. > :35:58.children were brought up as a result of the NHS, so therefore I do

:35:59. > :36:03.support the junior doctors, the NHS and the services, but I believe what

:36:04. > :36:08.has happened now is that it has become more personal. It is between

:36:09. > :36:13.the junior doctors and Jeremy Hunt, so it is moving away from the bigger

:36:14. > :36:16.picture, actually, and it is now leaning towards a matter of cost.

:36:17. > :36:21.They say it is a life-saving fact, but a guess on your show earlier

:36:22. > :36:25.said that there is the possibility that emergency services may be

:36:26. > :36:31.pulled back, and that is dangerous. Where are you going to go? Did you

:36:32. > :36:36.support the first couple of strikes? I don't support any. Introduce

:36:37. > :36:42.yourself. I'm a junior doctor in London and I train for six years,

:36:43. > :36:47.sorry five years at medical school, two years as a junior doctor, and I

:36:48. > :36:56.am doing general rotations, 18 month into special lady training. --

:36:57. > :37:01.speciality training. You talk about the essential services and strike

:37:02. > :37:06.putting people at risk but one thing to consider is that the staffing

:37:07. > :37:09.level that will be covered today and tomorrow and the two strikes in

:37:10. > :37:13.April is exactly the same staffing level that was used in the NHS on

:37:14. > :37:18.the same day that Kate and William got married, or on any bank holiday

:37:19. > :37:25.for the Queen's birthday, any royal weddings and other events. And yet

:37:26. > :37:28.nobody comes to harm them. I don't think 5000 operations were postponed

:37:29. > :37:38.or cancelled on the daily got married. They were stop -- day. The

:37:39. > :37:42.same cover was provided on that day as any other bank holiday... I

:37:43. > :37:46.understand that but I don't think operations were cancelled. They

:37:47. > :37:56.would have been. I don't remember that Tory. This is my point. I am

:37:57. > :38:00.Alison, I can't understand why the whole world doesn't support the

:38:01. > :38:04.doctors. It is a job most of us would not want to do. It is a job

:38:05. > :38:10.that they have to train for a long time to get to the level where they

:38:11. > :38:13.earn a decent salary. In my business, marketing, the salaries

:38:14. > :38:18.are vast, we do not have the same responsibility as doctors. Is strike

:38:19. > :38:22.action the right way for junior doctors to get what they want? I am

:38:23. > :38:27.not a supporter of striking but they have tried not to strike for so long

:38:28. > :38:32.but now they have no choice because it seems like they are not getting

:38:33. > :38:36.anywhere. Though I work in digital marketing at the University and I

:38:37. > :38:42.feel very strongly about it. -- I work. It is an essential service and

:38:43. > :38:47.what they are effectively doing by rolling out contracts, there is no

:38:48. > :38:52.thought about how they will cost it, they will have the same level of

:38:53. > :39:01.resulting, doctors are going to start leaving the NHS. --

:39:02. > :39:03.resourcing. Would you support strike action continuously? Would you

:39:04. > :39:07.support withdrawal of emergency cover if they got to that? I don't

:39:08. > :39:14.believe I am in a position to comment on that at the moment. What

:39:15. > :39:18.is your instinct? My instinct is that it is not right but I don't

:39:19. > :39:25.think doctors want to do that, last case scenario, but eventually the

:39:26. > :39:30.NHS be dismantled and they will move towards a more American model. A

:39:31. > :39:38.private practice. Colling, where are you on this? -- Colin. I agree with

:39:39. > :39:44.this gentleman. You oppose it? Yes. What should junior doctors do? They

:39:45. > :39:53.don't want to accept the contract being imposed. They are in a

:39:54. > :39:56.bargaining position as they order a review. Both sides are playing

:39:57. > :40:03.politics and a need to get round the table. How do you respond to that? I

:40:04. > :40:10.wish I knew how to play politics. It is an unsafe and unfunded and

:40:11. > :40:14.unprepared contract. The big thing being emphasise is that it is unsafe

:40:15. > :40:21.but I do not buy that. It is about the pay, clearly. The main sticking

:40:22. > :40:24.point is the salary. As far as unsafe, a representative of the BMA

:40:25. > :40:31.has said that they are prepared to strike and not cover emergency

:40:32. > :40:35.services. That is just ridiculous. The NHS says it will be a difficult

:40:36. > :40:39.few days, they have said that people should avoid going to A and less

:40:40. > :40:44.they really have to do. This is huge. If you are going to go on

:40:45. > :40:47.strike, you have to look at the people facing this destruction.

:40:48. > :40:57.Thousands of people across the UK. You have to justify it to them. Can

:40:58. > :41:07.I just read... Go ahead. To the people of the UK, we are sorry that

:41:08. > :41:10.we have to strike, we don't want to strike, we don't want to take that

:41:11. > :41:16.risk but we are having to because what the government is doing is an

:41:17. > :41:20.unplanned and unfunded change the NHS that will see you having a

:41:21. > :41:27.junior doctors spread further across seven days. We currently have wrote

:41:28. > :41:32.to gaps, we have ships uncovered as it stands for provision for a

:41:33. > :41:37.five-day service. -- rota. Went back yet spread across a Saturday and

:41:38. > :41:41.Sunday, you will take longer to be seen, you would be seen by a doctor

:41:42. > :41:49.who is more tired, who has been working shifts that create enormous

:41:50. > :41:54.jet lag. I am shocked at the level of cynicism. I wonder if anybody

:41:55. > :41:58.knows any junior doctors. I know some and they are highly educated,

:41:59. > :42:00.highly motivated and incredibly underpaid for the level of service

:42:01. > :42:04.they give is and the level of expertise they have stopped why are

:42:05. > :42:12.they not accepting what Jeremy Hunt says, a 13.5% pay rise? Junior

:42:13. > :42:17.doctors have an easier way to get money. I know someone who left the

:42:18. > :42:26.NHS and he moved into consultancy and his salary doubled overnight.

:42:27. > :42:33.Isn't it just 1% that increase? It is never about money. Quite often it

:42:34. > :42:36.is about the money. The money sits on top but underneath people want to

:42:37. > :42:44.feel they are heard, people want to feel... They have been talking for

:42:45. > :42:49.four years. Nobody is listening. I am Sophie. I fully support the

:42:50. > :42:57.strike and I agree with what has been said. The way the contract has

:42:58. > :43:00.been laid out, it is running the risk of spreading out an already

:43:01. > :43:06.tight amount of people. There are not enough doctors or nurses, and

:43:07. > :43:09.what the contract is doing, it is pushing people away from the NHS and

:43:10. > :43:14.people are looking elsewhere for jobs. How far will your support

:43:15. > :43:21.continue, how much longer, does it depend on what junior doctors do

:43:22. > :43:25.next? The emergency care... I am on the fence about it and I think most

:43:26. > :43:30.people will be. With regards to be strike, I will continue to support

:43:31. > :43:34.them as long as may be. A couple of comments from people who are

:43:35. > :43:38.watching. Ryan, I have no sympathy for any of the people striking, they

:43:39. > :43:42.don't know how lucky they are. Police officers have not had a pay

:43:43. > :43:46.rise for four years, pension contributions have increased, we

:43:47. > :43:50.have to work until we are older and 24-7, the strikers have to get

:43:51. > :43:54.perspective on their position. Junior doctors have my support, they

:43:55. > :43:58.do not work in isolation, that is Alison. Thank you very much,

:43:59. > :44:00.everybody, thank you for your company, tomorrow we will look at

:44:01. > :44:06.the pay of MPs. It's a huge weekend of sport,

:44:07. > :44:11.live across the BBC.