11/03/2016

:00:00. > :00:07.Hello, it's Friday March 11th, it's 9:15am.

:00:08. > :00:09.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:10. > :00:12.Almost two thirds of women in the UK say they've had unwanted sexual

:00:13. > :00:27.Sexual harassment is a really everyday experience for so many

:00:28. > :00:34.women and girls. Whistling, staring. I could be in jeans and boots like

:00:35. > :00:37.today and it is, oh, sexy! We will speak to women who tell us

:00:38. > :00:41.that inappropriate sexual attention is an everyday experience.

:00:42. > :00:44.The former Prime Minister Tony Blair has called pro-EU campaigners

:00:45. > :00:46.to make their case with the same fervour shown by those

:00:47. > :00:51.We speak to voters across the UK who say they have no idea which way

:00:52. > :00:53.they're going to vote in June's referendum.

:00:54. > :00:58.We will introduce you to Alfie. He has Down's syndrome, and after

:00:59. > :01:02.coverage on this programme last year about how difficult it is for people

:01:03. > :01:05.with Down's syndrome to get paid work, he has a job. Here his

:01:06. > :01:10.inspiring story at 9:30am. Welcome to the programme,

:01:11. > :01:14.we're live on BBC Two and the BBC We'll keep you across the latest

:01:15. > :01:25.breaking and developing stories. Later we expect to hear

:01:26. > :01:27.from the Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, who will outline

:01:28. > :01:38.a new economic policy for Labour. He's talking at around

:01:39. > :01:40.10:30 this morning. You can get in touch

:01:41. > :01:42.in the usual ways - If you text, you will be charged

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:01:47. > :01:49.the programme online wherever you are via the BBC News app

:01:50. > :01:56.or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria. Being groped and sexually assaulted

:01:57. > :02:01.on public transport, gigs, clubs, even on the street. It is an issue

:02:02. > :02:05.that many of you experience and have told as it is not being taken see

:02:06. > :02:08.with Fiona. We want to hear your experiences. -- you have

:02:09. > :02:17.told us it is not being taken seriously enough.

:02:18. > :02:20.A YouGov survey suggests that almost two thirds of women in the UK have

:02:21. > :02:22.had unwanted sexual attention in public places.

:02:23. > :02:24.Out of 889 women asked, 35% said they'd specifically

:02:25. > :02:26.experienced - quote - unwanted sexual touching.

:02:27. > :02:28.This morning we'll hear from Jessica Brady from Middlesborough.

:02:29. > :02:30.In March last year she was sexually assaulted on the tube.

:02:31. > :02:33.Last month her attacker was jailed for nearly six months.

:02:34. > :02:36.She's decided to waive her right to anonymity to urge others to come

:02:37. > :02:40.It's something that the British Transport Police have been trying

:02:41. > :02:44.to raise awareness of in a new online campaign.

:02:45. > :02:46.The man in the grey suit is staring at you.

:02:47. > :03:32.90% of unwanted sexual behaviour on public transport goes unreported.

:03:33. > :03:35.You can report anything that makes you feel uncomfortable.

:03:36. > :03:43.Jessica Brady was assaulted on a tube in March last year.

:03:44. > :03:46.Rosie Solomon was sexually assaulted at a gig.

:03:47. > :03:51.Kafayat Okanlawon was groped on the bus when she was 14.

:03:52. > :04:01.Natsayi Sithole says she's been groped many times since her teens.

:04:02. > :04:04.They have waived their right to anonymity to talk to us this

:04:05. > :04:05.morning. Sarah Green is the director of End

:04:06. > :04:15.Violence Against Women Coalition. Jessica, if I may, tell us what

:04:16. > :04:20.happened to you on the tube? I was making my way home and a gentleman

:04:21. > :04:26.got on the tube and sat direct the opposite me. I was reading the time,

:04:27. > :04:31.he started staring manically at me and smiling. I was a little bit off

:04:32. > :04:36.guard but I carried on doing what I was doing, hoping he would stop

:04:37. > :04:39.looking at me, to be honest. Then he carried on the whole journey towards

:04:40. > :04:44.our destination stop. Then I stood up to get off the tube, he stood on

:04:45. > :04:48.my right hand side and put his hand on my bottom. Initially, I thought

:04:49. > :04:51.it was an accident, but as we got out of the

:04:52. > :04:56.train he followed me and started talking to me and continued to touch

:04:57. > :05:02.my bum and said, you have a very innocent face, do

:05:03. > :05:06.you understand what I'm saying? I like it. I was in shock. He

:05:07. > :05:18.continued to pursue me up the escalator. I went to the walking

:05:19. > :05:23.side of the escalator. He put his hand on my bottom for the duration

:05:24. > :05:29.of the journey up the escalator. Wow. Unbelievable, unbelievable.

:05:30. > :05:29.That is what I felt up the time, it did not feel

:05:30. > :05:34.could he have the audacity? I was not

:05:35. > :05:40.frightened, I was shocked, but after the event I started to feel,

:05:41. > :05:50.my goodness, what has happened? Did it occur to you to turn around and

:05:51. > :05:54.say, what the heck are you doing? Of course, but I thought he could have

:05:55. > :05:59.a knife or anything, it was quite late at night full stop at the time

:06:00. > :06:03.you did not personally know what to do. If I created a

:06:04. > :06:19.Even by me asking that question, it seems like I am putting the onus on

:06:20. > :06:22.you to stop it. I am not, I am just interested in your thought process.

:06:23. > :06:23.Did you think twice before reporting it? I went

:06:24. > :06:29.home, the first person I ran with my twice before reporting it? I went

:06:30. > :06:31.mum and I said, I have had a really awful

:06:32. > :06:40.experience on the tube. She said, did you report it? I thought, they

:06:41. > :06:47.will do nothing, I cannot prove what happened. She went, no, you are

:06:48. > :06:52.going to you, it has probably happen to lots of other women. I took it

:06:53. > :06:59.upon myself as a duty. How were you treated by the police? Fantastic,

:07:00. > :07:02.absolutely wonderfully. The first instance when I rang the actual

:07:03. > :07:06.police, they were fantastic and wanted to know everything that had

:07:07. > :07:10.gone on, they put me through to the British Transport Police and then in

:07:11. > :07:17.very quick succession I was taken in to give a statement, then it

:07:18. > :07:21.escalated from there. And Ilyas Firah from tooting was ultimately

:07:22. > :07:27.jailed for 24 weeks. What did you think of that? Yeah. Obviously I was

:07:28. > :07:32.overjoyed, I thought it was a great result. Not what I expected, to be

:07:33. > :07:36.honest. I did not think he would get as long as he did, but I am happy

:07:37. > :07:44.that he did, because it is not acceptable what he did. I felt quite

:07:45. > :07:53.cross after it all, I felt, how have you made me go through this? It was

:07:54. > :07:57.anger at first, how dare you? But, ultimately, he got what he deserved,

:07:58. > :08:02.so I am happy. You have waived your right to anonymity to speak about

:08:03. > :08:10.this national to, why? Because I feel like women, and men, don't

:08:11. > :08:16.think it is worth reporting. And it is, and you are not alone. If you

:08:17. > :08:20.think, oh, have I done something to warrant his behaviour towards me?

:08:21. > :08:24.You haven't. It is not acceptable, you are a person who does not

:08:25. > :08:28.deserve to be getting touched up or worse when you are on public

:08:29. > :08:33.transport or in the shops. It happened so often, people don't

:08:34. > :08:37.think it is normal to reported, and it is, it should be.

:08:38. > :08:43.Well done. Let's be bringing our other guests, Sarah Greene, you say

:08:44. > :08:47.that sexual harassment is an everyday experience for many women?

:08:48. > :08:51.The YouGov survey we have published as a really stark finding that,

:08:52. > :09:00.younger women across the country, aged 18 to 24, 85% have experienced

:09:01. > :09:05.unwanted sexual harassed in public places, we are talking about making

:09:06. > :09:09.sexual suggestions and,, shouting at women, sitting closely, staring at

:09:10. > :09:13.women, indecent exposure. Almost half of this age group has

:09:14. > :09:19.experienced unwanted physical contact of a sexual nature, be it

:09:20. > :09:24.so-called groping, which is a very belittling term, and so much more.

:09:25. > :09:28.It is important that we really get to grips with the scale of this and

:09:29. > :09:31.we acknowledge what we have found, women commonly first experiences as

:09:32. > :09:36.quite young travellers or people in public. Girls commonly experience

:09:37. > :09:40.this behaviour from adult men on school journeys, for example,

:09:41. > :09:44.younger women experience it in public places and high streets all

:09:45. > :09:48.the time and are perfectly familiar with it by the time they are 21 stop

:09:49. > :09:53.it is from a young age, and that matters. People are very unlikely to

:09:54. > :10:00.intervene. We asked, did anybody intervene when it happened, only one

:10:01. > :10:04.in ten said someone had done so, 80% said they would have liked to did

:10:05. > :10:09.somebody had intervened chewing an incident of unwanted sexual contact.

:10:10. > :10:14.It is whether there is somebody to intervene. What you mentioned about

:10:15. > :10:17.older men groping, it belittles what happened but I suppose everybody

:10:18. > :10:22.understands the term. It happened to you when you were 14? 14 years old,

:10:23. > :10:26.on the way home from school, an older gentleman groped my behind.

:10:27. > :10:30.Like Jessica said, I did not know what to do. I thought it might be

:10:31. > :10:32.his bag, I didn't believe it was happening. When it happened again, I

:10:33. > :10:38.realised it was definitely his hand. I didn't

:10:39. > :10:39.know if I should report or who I should report it

:10:40. > :10:43.I spoke to my mother. It is important to speak up so that other

:10:44. > :10:49.women are not alone. It is important for

:10:50. > :10:55.men to be involved in the conversation as well. What about

:10:56. > :11:02.you, Natsayi? I was very young, about 13, but at this age, I am 26,

:11:03. > :11:06.I lost experience did last week. I was out shopping in a very large

:11:07. > :11:11.shopping centre in London, I was looking for a jacket in top shop and

:11:12. > :11:14.a man came up to me, continue to talk to me in a sexualised manner,

:11:15. > :11:19.that's me into a corner and started groping my leg, he was basically

:11:20. > :11:25.trying to get me to give him my phone number so he could be friends

:11:26. > :11:30.with me. This was not the first time I have experienced something

:11:31. > :11:35.similar. What did you do? Made my excuses and back to my way out of

:11:36. > :11:39.the situation, using my own skills and wiliness to get out of it, lots

:11:40. > :11:46.of girls home that skill as we get older, that skill of getting

:11:47. > :11:49.yourself out of sticky and uncomfortable situations, they are

:11:50. > :11:54.hideous situations to be in and they make you feel like dirt afterwards,

:11:55. > :11:59.and it is not your fault. What you have just said, Kafayat, is

:12:00. > :12:02.important, the conversation needs to happen with boys as they get older

:12:03. > :12:07.and men as they are older about how to behave and not cave around women,

:12:08. > :12:13.what it feels like to be a woman. Rosie, you were at a gig, what

:12:14. > :12:16.happened and what did you do? I was seeing one of my favourite bands,

:12:17. > :12:21.about halfway through their set I felt something behind me, there was

:12:22. > :12:25.a man bumping against my leg. At first I thought it is a crowded

:12:26. > :12:29.venue and he probably does not have enough space, we were all jumping in

:12:30. > :12:32.time to the music, it was not until I turned around and I realise that

:12:33. > :12:36.he had plenty of space behind him that I realise that it Robert Lee

:12:37. > :12:41.wasn't an accident and he was doing it on purpose. I tried to move away

:12:42. > :12:48.and he followed me and continued to hump my leg. Oh, God. For want of a

:12:49. > :12:52.better way of putting it. It lasted for about half an hour until the end

:12:53. > :12:56.of the gig. I did not do anything during the gig because I was

:12:57. > :13:00.enjoying it and I was angry and I was like, no, he will not ruin it

:13:01. > :13:05.for me. But you spoke to start? After the gig, I took him to the

:13:06. > :13:09.bar, he was very drunk, he came along with me, I am not sure he knew

:13:10. > :13:13.what was going on. I talked to one of the bars stuck, I said, I would

:13:14. > :13:18.like to report this man for sexual assault and I just burst into tears,

:13:19. > :13:22.and while I was crying he and his friend ran away. The venue called

:13:23. > :13:25.the police, I said I wanted to file a report. The venue called the

:13:26. > :13:31.police review, that is good. Carry on. They handled it really, really

:13:32. > :13:33.well. The police were lovely, they took me really see a risky. I

:13:34. > :13:41.because I had not been physically hurt in any way, they took it really

:13:42. > :13:47.seriously, dated my statement. I had not heard anything back and

:13:48. > :13:47.hopefully I can ID him because I got a

:13:48. > :13:54.pretty good look at him. Why do we think some men do this? Loads of men

:13:55. > :14:01.are great and would not trade of doing anything like this, why do we

:14:02. > :14:04.think some men do it? Like I said earlier, I feel like this kind of

:14:05. > :14:10.behaviour is very much normalised because it is surrounded with a

:14:11. > :14:13.culture of silence in women, that we don't necessarily talk about it. I

:14:14. > :14:18.suppose it creates an environment in which boys

:14:19. > :14:23.can just do it. But boys grew up with sisters and mums and auntie 's.

:14:24. > :14:27.That is true, and I can't imagine my brother dooming anything similar,

:14:28. > :14:32.but maybe some of his friends might. Jessica? I think some people try to

:14:33. > :14:36.chance their low can they might think they have spotted somebody who

:14:37. > :14:40.looks a bit vulnerable, perhaps, and a lot of the time they probably get

:14:41. > :14:44.away with it because people are vulnerable, frightened and scared,

:14:45. > :14:49.but sometimes they pick the wrong battle, if they like. That is why I

:14:50. > :14:54.reported it, I was not going to have somebody touching me. I think it is

:14:55. > :14:59.just an incentive for them. It is almost like a challenge.

:15:00. > :15:04.When the transport police looked at this behaviour, they retrained CCTV

:15:05. > :15:09.operators to look at the behaviour and he was doing it. In the course

:15:10. > :15:13.of many detections, they found that the real modus operandi of some of

:15:14. > :15:18.the men who do it, they enter the transport system in order to commit

:15:19. > :15:22.this behaviour. It is intentional, not opportunist. We have repeated

:15:23. > :15:25.offenders who do it again and to benefit from being told that this

:15:26. > :15:30.does not really matter. We need to talk about what happens when women

:15:31. > :15:34.tell men they are not interested. We have had great stories of being

:15:35. > :15:37.taken seriously by the police, but the women here have experience in

:15:38. > :15:42.quite nasty racist abuse sooner they have told meant they are not

:15:43. > :15:46.interested, that would be a common experience of immediately being more

:15:47. > :15:50.seriously attacked and threatened, when you have made it clear, I don't

:15:51. > :15:55.want you, I don't need you to intrude on my space. We have

:15:56. > :16:00.examined this issue. Because of that always being trivialised, there are

:16:01. > :16:01.local elections coming up, police and crime commission

:16:02. > :16:07.elections in May which many others will votes in, we need issues about

:16:08. > :16:11.the way that women are treated and disrespected and public spaces, then

:16:12. > :16:15.maybe we can have the conversation not just about women reporting but

:16:16. > :16:21.about bystanders and the men doing it.

:16:22. > :16:30.This tweet from Tony he says, you are all very brave the speaking out.

:16:31. > :16:36.Angela tweets, if anyone groped me, I would shout him out in public and

:16:37. > :16:39.then report it. I suppose that depends on the nature of your

:16:40. > :16:43.personality. We all know someone who will do that, whether you do it

:16:44. > :16:50.yourselves? Neill says, you should definitely

:16:51. > :16:51.report it. Bernie says all sexual harassment is condemned and where

:16:52. > :16:59.does this stem from? We have tried to

:17:00. > :17:02.address that in the time we have available, but thanks for coming on

:17:03. > :17:09.the programme. Really interested to hear your own, personal experiences.

:17:10. > :17:14.If this has happened to you, let me know.

:17:15. > :17:26.Maybe we will talk to you on the programme later on.

:17:27. > :17:33.Still to come on the programme. We will talk to 18-year-old

:17:34. > :17:40.Alfie, who was on the programme last day. He has now got a job. Also some

:17:41. > :17:51.viewers who are torn about which way to vote in the EU referendum. We

:17:52. > :17:55.will talk to you about what you need to help you make your mind up.

:17:56. > :18:00.The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has said it's

:18:01. > :18:02."absolutely outrageous" to label as racist, people who raise

:18:03. > :18:07.In a magazine interview, he said fear was a valid emotion

:18:08. > :18:09.given the scale of the migrant crisis - and public concerns

:18:10. > :18:19.campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU to show some

:18:20. > :18:24.of the fervour displayed by their opponents in the referendum.

:18:25. > :18:27.Mr Blair said the case for staying in the EU should be made

:18:28. > :18:33.on the grounds of idealism as well as economic realism.

:18:34. > :18:36.Downing Street and the White House have insisted the "special

:18:37. > :18:38.relationship" between Britain and the US remains strong,

:18:39. > :18:40.despite President Obama criticising David Cameron.

:18:41. > :18:43.Mr Obama said the Prime Minister had become distracted after the military

:18:44. > :18:45.intervention in Libya, and the North African country had

:18:46. > :18:55.And Japan marks the fifth anniversary of the earthquake

:18:56. > :19:01.and tsunami that left more than 18,000 people dead or missing.

:19:02. > :19:08.John Watson has all the sport now - and more on last night's big

:19:09. > :19:13.European game between Liverpool and Manchester United.

:19:14. > :19:25.Manchester United lost to Liverpool 2-0. Jurgen Klopp called it the

:19:26. > :19:29.mother of all games. United fans were disappointed and they are on

:19:30. > :19:35.the brink of exit unless they can turn things around. Former players,

:19:36. > :19:40.Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes called

:19:41. > :19:45.Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes shambolic. We will be seen the goals

:19:46. > :19:51.from Borussia Dortmund. Andy Murray will be talking about Maria

:19:52. > :19:56.Sharapova's ban after failing a drug test. He was very critical of one of

:19:57. > :20:01.her sponsors, who said they will stand by her. Good news for Laura

:20:02. > :20:04.Robson who says she will return after 18 months out. We will be

:20:05. > :20:12.showing you how much from Indian Wells. And England in action against

:20:13. > :20:19.Wales in the six Nations. It is a match that could go some way in

:20:20. > :20:22.deciding the title of the competition. Eddie Jones is talking

:20:23. > :20:28.to the media. All coming up at ten o'clock.

:20:29. > :20:30.You may remember last year on this programme,

:20:31. > :20:33.we talked to eight young adults with Down's Syndome who told us

:20:34. > :20:35.about the huge barriers they face when trying to get a job.

:20:36. > :20:39.Thank you very much for talking to us.

:20:40. > :20:42.You are at college and you are a gymnast.

:20:43. > :20:46.Tell us about what is happening in July in LA.

:20:47. > :20:49.In July I am going to LA, California, for the Special Olympics

:20:50. > :20:52.What was it like when you were selected?

:20:53. > :20:57.When it comes to working in the future, what do

:20:58. > :21:06.Thank you for coming on the programme.

:21:07. > :21:18.I also won a best acting award at the

:21:19. > :21:31.When people think it is somebody with Down's syndrome what do

:21:32. > :21:40.Down's syndrome in their heads is very weird.

:21:41. > :21:53.People cannot be scared about Down's syndrome.

:21:54. > :21:55.Do you think people are sometimes scared?

:21:56. > :22:01.Sometimes they do but sometimes they don't.

:22:02. > :22:06.I think coming from a charity it is just kind of ignorance a lot

:22:07. > :22:16.The public do not know about Down's syndrome.

:22:17. > :22:18.What do you think it is they are scared of?

:22:19. > :22:29.I think they see someone who is different and maybe

:22:30. > :22:38.It was a really inspiring conversation and, as a result,

:22:39. > :22:41.a number of businesses got in touch to say they were interested

:22:42. > :22:43.in taking part in programmes designed to help encourage people

:22:44. > :22:46.with learning disabilities get into paid work.

:22:47. > :22:49.The charity Mencap estimates that eight out of ten working age people

:22:50. > :22:52.with conditions like Down's Syndrome could work,

:22:53. > :22:58.One of those companies who wanted to do something about

:22:59. > :23:00.that was Alix Partners, a consultancy firm.

:23:01. > :23:04.They actually read our story on the BBC News site

:23:05. > :23:07.and as a result have employed a young man with Down's Syndrome

:23:08. > :23:13.He's 18 year-old Alfie Scullion, and he's here now, along

:23:14. > :23:18.with his new boss Andy Constable and Peter Saville, who's

:23:19. > :23:21.the Managing Director at Alix Partners.

:23:22. > :23:23.And also with us are two of the people

:23:24. > :23:28.20 year-old Holly Riseborough told us about her love of gymnastics

:23:29. > :23:36.and since then has successfully competed in the Special Olympics

:23:37. > :23:42.in Los Angeles winning four gold medals, and 28 year-old Otto Baxter

:23:43. > :23:49.who has since that conversation, starred in a Bafta nominated film.

:23:50. > :24:05.Alfie, welcome. What days do you work? Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Tell

:24:06. > :24:16.us some of the tasks you do? In here. The post. OK, that is a

:24:17. > :24:20.picture of the lifts and that is where you deliver the post to.

:24:21. > :24:43.Delivering post. Photos. You put the post into the

:24:44. > :24:47.folders. Then take it upstairs to people in the various offices. What

:24:48. > :25:11.is on the next page last so you have photographs in here and

:25:12. > :25:16.that is the photocopier and that helps you do the work, the various

:25:17. > :25:26.photo copying and the printing. How does it feel for you to be at work?

:25:27. > :25:35.Good. How do your family feel about you having this job? Proud of me. I

:25:36. > :25:41.bet they are. Why did you decide to employ somebody like Alfie? I read

:25:42. > :25:44.about it on the BBC website and I thought it was a very inspiring

:25:45. > :25:49.story and I thought it was something organisations like ours, should be

:25:50. > :25:57.involved in. In terms of finding out more, who did you contact? We

:25:58. > :26:02.contacted the work fit programme and they made it so easy for us. Andy

:26:03. > :26:08.will talk about how the recruitment process worked, but it was... We

:26:09. > :26:13.were right to feel it was the right thing to do. Presumably a learning

:26:14. > :26:20.curve for you and the other staff, as much as it was 4-3? Absolutely,

:26:21. > :26:27.became clear early on is about raking down barriers. People in the

:26:28. > :26:34.work lace have a role to play in all of the different professions. We

:26:35. > :26:41.have loved having Alfie with us. In what way has your company benefited

:26:42. > :26:45.with employing Alfie? We work in professional services, it can be a

:26:46. > :26:50.blinkered organisation. The staff have loved having him around, it has

:26:51. > :26:54.been fantastic. It has opened their eyes to different ways of working

:26:55. > :26:59.and having different people in the work place. It has been great. One

:27:00. > :27:05.of the most powerful things is Alfie has become one of the team. No more,

:27:06. > :27:09.no less than that and that is important. Andy, you are his line

:27:10. > :27:14.manager, when you hired Alfie, it was the work fit programme that

:27:15. > :27:23.recruited Alfie, rather than your company? Yes, when we were aware we

:27:24. > :27:28.were getting involved, they came and did the correct assessments, look at

:27:29. > :27:31.the health and safety issues and the adaptations we may need to make. We

:27:32. > :27:40.then went through a training programme, which was... You and your

:27:41. > :27:44.staff? Yes, we opened it up to everyone who wanted to come and find

:27:45. > :27:50.out about it and we had a very good uptake. What does the training

:27:51. > :27:57.involved? It was trying to break down barriers on people's opinion on

:27:58. > :28:04.people with down syndrome. Can you give any specific examples? With

:28:05. > :28:10.regard to how they did that? What words did they use, what language

:28:11. > :28:14.and what questions to be asked? It was the conception people with

:28:15. > :28:19.Down's syndrome are always happy and things like that. Obviously, that

:28:20. > :28:24.isn't the case. Everyone is an individual and everyone has their

:28:25. > :28:29.own personality. It gave us some information about that. It made us

:28:30. > :28:33.more aware of some of the issues people with Down's syndrome do

:28:34. > :28:37.struggle with speech impediment, visual stuff and things like that.

:28:38. > :28:43.It was very beneficial for the team to go through the training process.

:28:44. > :28:49.They were very helpful in showing us we could start with simple tasks,

:28:50. > :28:52.but people with down syndrome have different abilities and the

:28:53. > :28:57.important thing was to try to stretch the person as they grow into

:28:58. > :29:04.the role and grew more confident. Alfie has gone on to do so much more

:29:05. > :29:10.than when he first joined us. What roles did you assign Alfie with when

:29:11. > :29:16.he started? Once we designed the job specification, it fitted to come and

:29:17. > :29:24.work with the facilities team, so we had structured tasks for him to do

:29:25. > :29:28.throughout the day. That suited his personality so it was working

:29:29. > :29:35.closely with my assistance, who would handle the incoming and

:29:36. > :29:38.outgoing post. Alfie went on to take on more tasks working with the

:29:39. > :29:47.friends of house team in the meeting room suite. -- front of house. We

:29:48. > :29:53.wanted to guide him with what he was doing, but he grew so confident and

:29:54. > :30:00.was doing these tasks on his own. Alfie, have you got a picture of

:30:01. > :30:10.your team in this book? Yes. Can I have a look? Yes. Let's go back one

:30:11. > :30:23.page, what is that? What is this task?

:30:24. > :30:34.Why is it important for you to check the temperatures? Too warm. Nobody

:30:35. > :30:36.wants it too warm, do they? Is that the team?

:30:37. > :30:53.Who are these people? Those are the team he works closely with. He works

:30:54. > :31:00.closely with Vicky. Going back to the temperature one, he has an

:31:01. > :31:03.interest in James Bond and the temperature control in the office

:31:04. > :31:10.for us, is what causes a few problems. The same in any office, it

:31:11. > :31:15.is never just right. By visually putting the targets on the wall and

:31:16. > :31:23.the temperature, it was one of your favourite tasks? Yes.

:31:24. > :31:33.Made it fun for him as well as doing a vital job for us. Holly, how you?

:31:34. > :31:45.Great. What have you won since we spoke to you? Medals. I won that

:31:46. > :31:57.one. Congratulations. And then this one is for my bars. And then the

:31:58. > :32:08.fold. Let's have a look, let's show the gold! -- for the vault. And then

:32:09. > :32:23.this one, all around. All-round floor work. And this for my Fed.

:32:24. > :32:27.Silver for beam, congratulations. What was it like, representing your

:32:28. > :32:35.country? Fantastic, I'm proud of myself, really. So you should be.

:32:36. > :32:45.What is the event like? Amazing, fantastic experience. How are you

:32:46. > :32:52.since we last spoke, Otto? Great. Tell the audience about Samuel 613,

:32:53. > :32:57.a film which you were involved in? About it is a film but I was in. I

:32:58. > :33:05.have locks in my hair, and they made a mistake by chopping my fringe.

:33:06. > :33:14.It was nominated for an award? For a BAFTA. How did that make you feel?

:33:15. > :33:22.Honoured and proud. And I think he went to the BAFTA screening? Really

:33:23. > :33:27.good. You are a in the cinema, watching yourself on screen? It was

:33:28. > :33:37.really scary. I quite liked it, it was quite fun! Also, there is a film

:33:38. > :33:48.project to make a film about your life? What is that like? It is quite

:33:49. > :33:55.fun. It is a sombre mood -- it is a zombie movie. A horror film about

:33:56. > :34:03.your life, with zombies in its?! Yes. Do you know any zombies? Some

:34:04. > :34:06.of them are fast runners, some are very slow, some are a bit dopey, a

:34:07. > :34:14.bit clumsy. Sounds fantastic. Right, let's read

:34:15. > :34:19.some messages from people watching you. Simon on Twitter, it is good to

:34:20. > :34:24.see this piece on people with learning different -- disabilities

:34:25. > :34:28.having opportunities for employment. Great to see the use of

:34:29. > :34:32.communication support. A couple of people are asking about the paid

:34:33. > :34:38.work that Alfie is doing, can I ask the rate of pay? With Alfie at the

:34:39. > :34:42.moment, we don't pay him because he is still in school, we were unable

:34:43. > :34:48.to do anything about that. We were looking about whether we could do a

:34:49. > :34:51.charitable donation to the Down's syndrome work programme.

:34:52. > :34:57.Specifically for Alfie, because he was in school we could not pay. When

:34:58. > :35:01.he leaves school, if he joins as then we would pay him. And their

:35:02. > :35:07.prospects for your company and Alfie? Absolutely, we are talking to

:35:08. > :35:13.the work fit programme about whether we employ someone permanently or we

:35:14. > :35:15.act almost as training for people to come through regularly, get

:35:16. > :35:24.experience and then go out with better prospect elsewhere. Jack says

:35:25. > :35:28.this is well deserving of publicity. Barry, the work fit programme is

:35:29. > :35:34.wonderful for getting people into work. Louis says nothing but

:35:35. > :35:38.admiration for the company employing Alfie, I hope it goes from strength

:35:39. > :35:42.to strength. Molly says Lavinia reported a on people with Down's

:35:43. > :35:45.syndrome, that it with Down's syndrome, working with Down's

:35:46. > :35:51.syndrome, raising awareness to help people find jobs is so vital. Thank

:35:52. > :35:53.you for coming on the programme. Nice to see you. All the best,

:35:54. > :36:02.Alfie. Good luck. Coming up, should Russian athletes

:36:03. > :36:05.be allowed to compete in the Rio Olympics this summer? They were

:36:06. > :36:08.banned from international competition after evidence of a

:36:09. > :36:10.state-sponsored doping programme. It is being discussed in Monaco today

:36:11. > :36:13.where they will make that decision. Now, are you for staying

:36:14. > :36:21.in the EU, or leaving? There is talk of Project Fear, a

:36:22. > :36:25.lack of further and passion or simply a struggle to get

:36:26. > :36:27.information. Many people are still undecided.

:36:28. > :36:28.Today the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby,

:36:29. > :36:31.waded in on the subject saying people were entitled to fear

:36:32. > :36:33.the impact migration could have on Britain

:36:34. > :36:35.and that it was absolutely outrageous to condemn as racist

:36:36. > :36:39.Two of the main players in opposite camps on the referendum debate

:36:40. > :36:43.Both are out and about today, and Boris will be speaking

:36:44. > :36:51.while we are on air, so we will bring you that.

:36:52. > :36:54.Here's how they have set out their stage.

:36:55. > :36:57.We are approaching one of the biggest decisions this

:36:58. > :37:03.Whether to remain in a reformed European Union or to leave.

:37:04. > :37:07.The choice goes to the heart of the kind of country we want to be

:37:08. > :37:11.and the future that we want for our children.

:37:12. > :37:14.This is about how we trade with neighbouring countries

:37:15. > :37:17.to create jobs, prosperity and financial security

:37:18. > :37:23.It is about how we co-operate to keep our people safe

:37:24. > :37:29.I know there will be many passionate arguments over the months ahead.

:37:30. > :37:33.Individual Cabinet ministers will have the freedom to campaign

:37:34. > :37:41.My responsibility as Prime Minister is to speak plainly

:37:42. > :37:45.about what I believe is right for the our country.

:37:46. > :37:48.I do not think anybody could realistically claim that this

:37:49. > :37:55.is fundamental reform of the EU or of Britain's relationships

:37:56. > :38:03.It is my view that after 30 years of writing about this

:38:04. > :38:09.I have a chance actually to do something.

:38:10. > :38:12.I would like to see a new relationship based more

:38:13. > :38:21.With much less of the supranational element.

:38:22. > :38:25.That is where I am coming from and that is why I have decided

:38:26. > :38:27.after a huge amount of heartache, because I did not want,

:38:28. > :38:34.the last thing I wanted was to go against David Cameron

:38:35. > :38:38.or the Government, but after a great deal of heartache, I do not think

:38:39. > :38:47.We can now talk to a group of undecided voters

:38:48. > :38:51.We have Kerry Gadd is in Somerset, who's a receptionist for her local

:38:52. > :38:59.YMCA, but says she is leaning towards an exit vote.

:39:00. > :39:03.How are you? All right, and yourself? Good, thank you.

:39:04. > :39:04.Jarel Robinson-Brown in Cardiff, who's a priest.

:39:05. > :39:06.He's undecided but leaning towards a stay in vote.

:39:07. > :39:11.And Dionne Barrington in Swindon, a mum of three who is simply

:39:12. > :39:23.As you can see, one of them is there. Hello, how old is your baby?

:39:24. > :39:27.Eight weeks. Congratulations. You are simply undecided, not really

:39:28. > :39:33.leaning in any direction. Thank you all for coming on the programme. Why

:39:34. > :39:37.are you undecided, Kerry? Because I haven't really been keeping up with

:39:38. > :39:41.the news as I have been lately, so I really don't really know much about

:39:42. > :39:46.what is actually going on. But what I've been reading recently, I have

:39:47. > :39:51.been leaning towards more back sitting the EU rather than staying.

:39:52. > :39:55.Where are you doing your reading and research? Of course I am reading it

:39:56. > :39:59.all online through the website itself, making sure that I always

:40:00. > :40:07.look at reliable sources and, yeah, I am leaning more towards leaving

:40:08. > :40:13.because I believe that it could... I think it could raise the economy are

:40:14. > :40:17.little more with Britain itself, but I'm undecided still. Jarel, what do

:40:18. > :40:24.you think you need to know to make your decision? I want to know,

:40:25. > :40:29.really, how is the economy going to be affected, and how would it affect

:40:30. > :40:32.both me and my local community? That is what I am struggling to find out

:40:33. > :40:38.in any clear way from our politicians. Politicians on both

:40:39. > :40:42.sides are getting and says about what will happen to Britain's

:40:43. > :40:48.economy, the answers are pretty much diametrically opposed. Absolutely.

:40:49. > :40:53.It seems that both sides are talking about freedoms we will gain and

:40:54. > :40:58.freedoms we have lost. They are both using the same reasons for their

:40:59. > :41:01.documents, which I find bizarre. You will just have too make a judgment

:41:02. > :41:06.call nearer the time. -- same reasons for their argument. I hope

:41:07. > :41:11.that things come clearer as time goes on, but I am struggling at the

:41:12. > :41:16.moment. Our politicians the only voices you are listening to? It was

:41:17. > :41:20.interesting to hear the Archbishop of Canterbury today. I am a

:41:21. > :41:27.Methodist minister so here's not my leader, if you like, but it was

:41:28. > :41:31.interesting to hear his reflections. Obviously he is not telling anybody

:41:32. > :41:36.what to do, he says it is not his role to advise people how to vote,

:41:37. > :41:42.he says we do not know how God would votes. But the fear is that people

:41:43. > :41:47.have had, I think the line between rational fear and rational theory is

:41:48. > :41:53.quite slim, and I am not always sure that I agree on that topic. Dionne,

:41:54. > :41:59.you support Ukip that are genuinely undecided. What issues are you

:42:00. > :42:06.important to -- are imported to you as you continue considering your

:42:07. > :42:10.decision? I want to be happy with the votes that I cast for the

:42:11. > :42:14.Britain that my children will be living in. In ten years' time my

:42:15. > :42:20.daughter will be almost 19, will she be able to get a job or a mortgage?

:42:21. > :42:27.These are the things that David Cameron says will be affected, Boris

:42:28. > :42:31.Johnson says there will be a shock and a quick recovery. I am trying to

:42:32. > :42:37.look that he was being truthful and who has the best ideas. So the

:42:38. > :42:44.economy is a big one for you. Kerry, what is important for you?

:42:45. > :42:47.Definitely more than one issue. Jobs, in my opinion, is the top

:42:48. > :42:57.topic. I have been job searching for a very long time, since last year.

:42:58. > :43:02.Ever since I got onto jobseeker's allowance. It is definitely hard to

:43:03. > :43:08.find jobs and I would like to see, if we decided to leave, if more job

:43:09. > :43:13.opportunities would open towards British citizens. OK. Does that mean

:43:14. > :43:20.you are thinking that perhaps the level of migration is a concern for

:43:21. > :43:25.you in terms of you getting a job and other British citizens?

:43:26. > :43:36.Definitely. I genuinely feel that way. OK. Are you definitely going to

:43:37. > :43:40.vote, Dionne? Yes. I would like to say yes, unless I get to a week

:43:41. > :43:44.before and I am still completely undecided. I think we need to see a

:43:45. > :43:49.lot more of the passionate arguments that David Cameron says we will see

:43:50. > :43:54.before any of us make our minds up 100%, I don't think we have all the

:43:55. > :43:59.evidence. As a supporter of Ukip, your party would say you should vote

:44:00. > :44:02.to leave? I think it is silly to blindly follow what somebody says

:44:03. > :44:07.without looking at the evidence and making up your own mind. Jarel, do

:44:08. > :44:15.you believe that you will get the fact that you are looking for by the

:44:16. > :44:21.end of June? I hope so. I know you hope so, but do you think so? I am

:44:22. > :44:28.not confident, actually. What do you make of the debate so far? Very

:44:29. > :44:34.poor. I find a lot of the language used now is almost so difficult to

:44:35. > :44:41.understand that it keeps us ordinary human beings out of the

:44:42. > :44:46.conversation. Of the people in poor areas in Britain who are quite

:44:47. > :44:49.fearful about borders and their controls, they might not understand

:44:50. > :44:54.the arguments and they might be fearful about employment but do not

:44:55. > :44:58.necessarily have the ability to engage with politicians are now

:44:59. > :45:04.level. That is a very good point about the language in terms, the way

:45:05. > :45:09.everyone is communicating. What would you say, Kerry? I would

:45:10. > :45:13.definitely agree with what Jared has just said. Looking at the reports

:45:14. > :45:18.and what politicians have said, some of the words, even I had trouble

:45:19. > :45:22.understanding. Yeah, I think it needs to be more at our level so we

:45:23. > :45:28.have a better understanding of what they are trying to get across.

:45:29. > :45:31.Really good to talk to you all for the first time. We will follow you

:45:32. > :45:36.over the next few months if you are happy for us to. Thank you so much,

:45:37. > :45:49.Kerry, Jarel and Dionne. Thank you. Let's get the latest

:45:50. > :45:59.weather update with Carol. The fog will take some time to clear

:46:00. > :46:04.through parts of Hampshire and the spine of England. When it does we're

:46:05. > :46:10.looking at Sunshine but until then, stubborn cloud. Through the

:46:11. > :46:15.afternoon we carry on with bright and sunny skies across southern

:46:16. > :46:20.England. Thick cloud across the South East and East Anglia. As we

:46:21. > :46:24.drift towards central parts of the Midlands we back into the sunshine,

:46:25. > :46:29.as we are in northern parts of England. It will turn cloudy in the

:46:30. > :46:35.east and the South, head of this band of rain. Through the day, the

:46:36. > :46:39.rain will continue to push across Northern Ireland, brightening up

:46:40. > :46:44.with showers behind. A beautiful day in prospect across Wales with

:46:45. > :46:48.variable amounts of cloud. As we had through the evening and overnight,

:46:49. > :46:53.rain continues to push southwards any shuts getting into northern

:46:54. > :46:58.England. Under some clearer skies, particularly in the south there will

:46:59. > :47:03.be frost and patchy fog, but not as extensive as this morning. Tomorrow,

:47:04. > :47:06.the rain is still with us. Moving out of Northern Ireland. Not

:47:07. > :47:11.particularly heavy. Cloud building as it pushes further south. At the

:47:12. > :47:18.lion's shelled the sunshine will be in the south and the far south-east.

:47:19. > :47:19.On Sunday, for most it will be dry. Temperatures 11, 12, possibly as

:47:20. > :47:24.high as 14 for some. Hello it's Friday, it's 10:00,

:47:25. > :47:27.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, If you've just joined us,

:47:28. > :47:34.coming up before 11:00. We've been hearing from women

:47:35. > :47:36.about the unwanted sexual attention they've suffered in public places

:47:37. > :47:39.and asking why something so common I feel like women don't think

:47:40. > :47:43.and men, don't think that And it is and you're not alone,

:47:44. > :47:48.and you can think, have I done something to warrant this

:47:49. > :47:50.behaviour towards me? You haven't and it's not acceptable,

:47:51. > :47:53.you're a person who doesn't deserve to be getitng touched up or worse

:47:54. > :47:57.when you're on public transport, out in shops, it happens so often,

:47:58. > :48:01.and people just don't think it's a normal thing to report it

:48:02. > :48:08.and it is, it should be. Victoria tweeted to say,

:48:09. > :48:10."My 18 year-old daughter had her breasts fondled

:48:11. > :48:14.on a packed tube by old man. She begged me not to report it

:48:15. > :48:18.as she was embarrassed." Please continue to get in touch

:48:19. > :48:20.with your experiences and you can see the full discussion on our

:48:21. > :48:26.programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria. Russian athletes were banned

:48:27. > :48:27.from international competition after evidence of a

:48:28. > :48:31."state-sponsored" doping programme. We'll find out today

:48:32. > :48:45.if they're allowed to compete Is the government failing to protect

:48:46. > :48:48.whistle-blowers in the NHS and other large organisations? We will hear

:48:49. > :48:52.one doctor's story. The Archbishop of Canterbury,

:48:53. > :48:57.Justin Welby, has said it's "absolutely outrageous" to label

:48:58. > :49:00.as racist, people who raise In a magazine interview,

:49:01. > :49:06.he said fear was a valid emotion given the scale of the migrant

:49:07. > :49:09.crisis - and public concerns had Tony Blair has urged those

:49:10. > :49:12.campaigning for Britain to remain in the EU to show some

:49:13. > :49:15.of the fervour displayed by their opponents

:49:16. > :49:22.in the referendum. Downing Street and the White House

:49:23. > :49:25.insist there's still a strong special relationship

:49:26. > :49:28.between Britain and the US - despite unexpected criticism

:49:29. > :49:30.from President Obama. He said David Cameron had become

:49:31. > :49:33.distracted after the military intervention in Libya,

:49:34. > :49:36.and the North African country had Owners of tumble dryers requiring

:49:37. > :49:50.repairs in a fire safety campaign are being told they must wait 11

:49:51. > :49:53.months for their appliance In November, Whirlpool,

:49:54. > :49:57.the owner of the Hotpoint, Indesit and Creda brands,

:49:58. > :50:00.revealed the massive repair campaign And Japan marks the fifth

:50:01. > :50:04.anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami that left more

:50:05. > :50:07.than 18,000 people dead or missing. A ceremony has been held in Tokyo

:50:08. > :50:10.with a minute's silence. John Watson has the sport now,

:50:11. > :50:13.and all the fallout from last night's game between Liverpool

:50:14. > :50:15.and Manchester United. It's advantage Liverpool

:50:16. > :50:18.after they beat Manchester United 2-0 in the first leg

:50:19. > :50:20.of their Europa League tie at Anfield - a defeat which prompted

:50:21. > :50:24.yet more criticism of manager Goals in each half -

:50:25. > :50:27.the first a penalty from Daniel Sturridge and a second

:50:28. > :50:30.from Roberto Firmino - has put the Reds firmly in control

:50:31. > :50:33.of the tie heading into the second This was the first time

:50:34. > :50:37.the two teams had met Jurgen Klopp called it

:50:38. > :50:42.the mother of all games, but on TV last night former players

:50:43. > :50:45.Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes picked on United's performance

:50:46. > :50:49.calling disjointed and shambolic, something Van Gaal

:50:50. > :50:55.was not keen to discuss. You don't give your own opinion,

:50:56. > :50:58.and then you use Rio Ferdinand's You've already used another person

:50:59. > :51:15.to ask the question. Tottenham's European adventure looks

:51:16. > :51:18.over after they were heavily beaten in Germany, losing 3-0

:51:19. > :51:21.to Borussia Dortmund. Both teams are second

:51:22. > :51:24.in their respective leagues, but the gap in class was clear

:51:25. > :51:27.as Marco Reus scored twice Mauricio Pochettino choosing

:51:28. > :51:45.to leave key players on the bench Andy Murray says Maria Sharapova

:51:46. > :51:51.must accept headband and added his surprise that the racket supplier,

:51:52. > :51:56.head have offered to stand by the Russian. Good news for Laura Robson,

:51:57. > :52:02.who made a return after 18 months out with a wrist injury. Although

:52:03. > :52:06.she lost in straight sets this, she said she hadn't felt any pain in her

:52:07. > :52:12.wrist for a couple of months and intends to play at full clay-court

:52:13. > :52:17.season. The countdown is on for England's match against Wales at

:52:18. > :52:21.Twickenham tomorrow, which could determine the destination of the

:52:22. > :52:24.title. Eddie Jones was back talking to the media as he prepares to face

:52:25. > :52:28.off against Warren Gatland. The first time the two teams have faced

:52:29. > :52:31.each other since Wales beat England in the World Cup.

:52:32. > :52:38.I have done a lot of media since I have come here and it was a good

:52:39. > :52:39.chance to take a backward step and think about how we go forward in

:52:40. > :52:45.terms of the media. The media is an important part of

:52:46. > :52:52.the team. We look at how we can strategise the media. We haven't

:52:53. > :52:58.even spoken about the World Cup and what happened. It was a great

:52:59. > :53:02.performance, to then get out of the group. But we feel we are in better

:53:03. > :53:06.shape now than reversed the World Cup. There is a lot of confidence in

:53:07. > :53:13.this team and the guys have been training really well and we are

:53:14. > :53:16.treating Saturday as a final. Kick-off is at 4pm tomorrow at

:53:17. > :53:24.Twickenham. And that is all the sport now.

:53:25. > :53:27.Thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme

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:53:31. > :53:31.News Channel until 11:00am this morning.

:53:32. > :53:41.We will be speaking to John McDonnell.

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:53:54. > :53:54.The IAAF, the International Association of Athletics Federations

:53:55. > :53:57.is meeting today to discuss whether to re-admit Russian athletes

:53:58. > :54:00.The Russians were banned from international competition back

:54:01. > :54:03.in November after a report detailed what it called a "state-sponsored"

:54:04. > :54:07.doping programme that had sabotaged the 2012 Olympics in London.

:54:08. > :54:11.To give you a sense of the scale of doping in 2012 take

:54:12. > :54:18.This is what final standings of the women's 1500m now looks

:54:19. > :54:22.like without those who've tested positive for performance enhancing

:54:23. > :54:30.As you can see, it's not just the Russians that have a doping

:54:31. > :54:35.Athletes from across the world were disqualified.

:54:36. > :54:39.Some, like Tatyana Tomashova, had already served doping bans

:54:40. > :54:42.before the race had taken place, while others,

:54:43. > :54:46.like Turkey's Asli Cakir Alptekin had to hand back her gold

:54:47. > :54:55.And this is the final standings of the women's 800 metres that year.

:54:56. > :55:01.The Gold and Bronze medallists, Russian runners, Mariya Savinova

:55:02. > :55:04.and Eekaterina Poistogova, have since been recommended

:55:05. > :55:14.for life-time bans by the World Anti Doping Agency.

:55:15. > :56:27.Do you think because you still hold the world record that still stands

:56:28. > :56:29.by a whole three minutes, it has led to your integrity sometimes? People

:56:30. > :56:31.have said to me, do you regret running that time

:56:32. > :56:41.because it is extremely fast. It means people are looking at it

:56:42. > :56:43.with some suspicion. Now I don't, the whole point of my career is to

:56:44. > :56:48.see what I could do. I wanted to get to the end and say,

:56:49. > :57:03.that is the best I was capable of doing. Our recommendation is that

:57:04. > :57:13.the Russian federation resuspended. -- be suspended.

:57:14. > :57:22.The issue we now have two come front is what is it we need to put in

:57:23. > :57:23.place? Some of that is already underway. And it means we never

:57:24. > :57:34.return to this horror show again. So, do the Russians

:57:35. > :57:36.deserve a second chance? Should the IAAF meeting today

:57:37. > :57:39.readmit them in time to compete Let's talk to two British atheltes -

:57:40. > :57:53.Jo Pavey is a British long-distance runner and has represented

:57:54. > :57:55.Great Britain in every She missed out on a medal to a doper

:57:56. > :58:03.at the World Championships in 2007 Also Jenny Meadows the British

:58:04. > :58:06.800m runner who has spent the best part of her career

:58:07. > :58:12.competing against Mariya Savinova, Also Jenny Meadows the British

:58:13. > :58:15.800m runner who has a Russian athlete who's now arguably

:58:16. > :58:18.the face of Russia's doping scandal, an Olympic,

:58:19. > :58:20.world and European champion who is one of five athletes to have

:58:21. > :58:23.been recommended for lifetime bans Jenny is hoping to be part of Team

:58:24. > :58:33.GB at the Rio Olympics this summer. readmit Russian athletes in time the

:58:34. > :58:39.Rio? There shouldn't be any time frame on it. We have reports the

:58:40. > :58:41.Russian Federation is still in denial and not doing enough.

:58:42. > :58:45.We need to be sure they are following the criteria set out for

:58:46. > :58:54.them and they are able to follow rules set out by the IAAF. It feels

:58:55. > :58:58.like they are not quite doing enough, but we need to see what the

:58:59. > :59:05.meeting finds. If they are not found to be compliant enough and there is

:59:06. > :59:05.still a lot of work to do, we cannot risk any

:59:06. > :59:12.athletes cheating on the start line. Even though, there are some who say

:59:13. > :59:13.the ban is unfair against those Russian athletes

:59:14. > :59:21.who do play by the rules and who are clean? I agree with that, it is

:59:22. > :59:23.unfair. My heart goes out to those Russian athletes who work hard to

:59:24. > :59:30.try to fulfil their dreams. Even if it is only a very few, it is

:59:31. > :59:32.still awful that situation could arise. I

:59:33. > :59:41.know how I would feel if I was in that situation. We hope things can

:59:42. > :59:43.be changed in the future. The bubbly at this stage, we might have to take

:59:44. > :59:45.strict measures to make sure the majority of clean athletes are

:59:46. > :59:50.protected. But I agree, it is a sad situation that has

:59:51. > :59:54.happened to the clean athletes. Jenny, how many medals do you feel

:59:55. > :00:04.you have missed out because of cheating by Mariya Savinova and

:00:05. > :00:10.other athletes? It is heartbreaking and hard to put a number on it. One

:00:11. > :00:16.of my medals has been changed. It was a silver on the day. I faced a

:00:17. > :00:24.lot of anguish, wondering what I had done wrong in that race. It has been

:00:25. > :00:29.upgraded to a gold medal. I was the only clean athlete on the podium

:00:30. > :00:33.that day. We are talking about fifth place person who should have been on

:00:34. > :00:38.the podium. You never get those moments back. Three of the medals I

:00:39. > :00:42.have got, I do think they are the wrong colour and I think I should

:00:43. > :00:46.have another three or four as well, from previous championships where I

:00:47. > :00:53.finished in fourth or fifth and been denied the moment. It is not just on

:00:54. > :00:56.the day it affects, it affects a lot of things. Sponsorship, funding and

:00:57. > :01:00.subsequent years, how well you can do.

:01:01. > :01:06.Is there anything that sticks in your memory from those races, any

:01:07. > :01:12.incidents you recall that made you suspicious? There are probably two

:01:13. > :01:16.or three moments in my career. The first one was the race I just

:01:17. > :01:20.described in Paris at the European indoor Championships, I finished

:01:21. > :01:25.second in that race, it was amazing to be a European silver medallist,

:01:26. > :01:29.but I went into the race as hot favourites, and I really could not

:01:30. > :01:34.sleep that night, I was scratching my head, what should I have done,

:01:35. > :01:40.what did I do wrong? The World Championships in 2011 was another

:01:41. > :01:46.incident, there were three Russians in the race, two of which have been

:01:47. > :01:52.banned since. I did not make the final, I came ninth. 12 months until

:01:53. > :01:57.2012, I was thinking, what can I do to get into the final before trying

:01:58. > :02:03.to make the podium? I really pushed my body a lot. I started training a

:02:04. > :02:08.little bit harder, not recovering as much as I should have, just

:02:09. > :02:14.thinking, I am not making the grade, I should change my training and my

:02:15. > :02:18.tactics. I have suffered quite a lot of injuries since then, I was trying

:02:19. > :02:24.to do the training that I presumed the Russian athlete, with three of

:02:25. > :02:28.them being in the final, most do, I was probably working towards

:02:29. > :02:32.achieving something that was not possible without taking performance

:02:33. > :02:37.enhancing drugs, which I did not know at the time. Jo Pavey, what is

:02:38. > :02:42.it like now to realise that you missed out on a medal because

:02:43. > :02:48.somebody who was cheating beat you? Absolutely devastating. It happened

:02:49. > :02:56.to me at the World Championships, I gave it my all, it was such a hot

:02:57. > :03:00.day. I gave everything I had. I empathise with Jenny, I felt like I

:03:01. > :03:04.had given everything, what had I done wrong? I felt I was letting

:03:05. > :03:08.everyone down because I was in the medal position until I got to the

:03:09. > :03:11.line and I could not do enough. It should have been a moment in my

:03:12. > :03:16.career when I could have celebrated a world medal, but like Jenny I

:03:17. > :03:21.felt, what more could I have done, how could I change my training and

:03:22. > :03:27.gets better? In the future, you realise that you should have been

:03:28. > :03:31.proud to be on the podium, it should not have been a day of

:03:32. > :03:35.disappointment. I can never get that time back. I agree with Jenny, you

:03:36. > :03:38.feel like you have failed, in the future you realise you were getting

:03:39. > :03:43.things right but the way that the cheats were taking these drugs was

:03:44. > :03:48.making you feel like you were failing on the day. You can never

:03:49. > :03:53.get those moments back. There are so many aspects, like Jenny mentioned,

:03:54. > :04:02.missing the moments, missing the sponsorship, pushing yourself so

:04:03. > :04:05.hard in training. You look at it with frustration, but you have to

:04:06. > :04:09.remember the lovely lifestyle moments. I have had a great career

:04:10. > :04:13.in sport, we need to be tough on this board so we can have a bright

:04:14. > :04:18.future and supporter youngsters coming through. Jenny, should the

:04:19. > :04:23.IAAF readmit Russian athletes in time for the Rio Olympics? Oblak I

:04:24. > :04:26.don't think so, I don't think they can get their act together that

:04:27. > :04:32.quickly. There was another documentary on this week, it said

:04:33. > :04:38.that some of the band athletes and coaches are training every day and

:04:39. > :04:43.they do not think they have listened to all the measures that have been

:04:44. > :04:48.put in place. In short, no, I don't think they can have done enough. I

:04:49. > :04:51.don't think people lining up on the start line against athletes wearing

:04:52. > :04:55.the Russian vest will have confidence that it is a level

:04:56. > :05:01.playing field. In terms of your preparations to try to get to Rio,

:05:02. > :05:06.how are they going? Good, always hard. The weather is getting nicer,

:05:07. > :05:11.which is easier, we're not contending with the wind and rain as

:05:12. > :05:16.much. Feeling very optimistic. Thank you, Jenny Meadows. And good to talk

:05:17. > :05:20.to you, Jo Pavey, thank you. Coverage on the outcome of the IAAF

:05:21. > :05:24.meeting, I don't think they will make a decision today, that a

:05:25. > :05:25.decision at some point over whether Russia will be readmitted before

:05:26. > :05:29.Rio. On 11th March 2011, Japan was struck

:05:30. > :05:32.by one of the most powerful It caused a giant wave out at sea,

:05:33. > :05:36.called a tsunami, which grew Half an hour after the quake,

:05:37. > :05:42.the tsunami hit the north-east coast of the country, destroying

:05:43. > :05:43.everything in its path. Today, five years on from that

:05:44. > :05:46.terrible day, ceremonies have been taking place to mark

:05:47. > :05:48.the disaster and remember those Hinako was one of the children whose

:05:49. > :06:11.life changed forever that day, Today in this Japanese town, life is

:06:12. > :06:21.returning to normal. But one girl who will never forget what happened

:06:22. > :06:24.that day is Hinako. TRANSLATION: I was sitting somewhere around here

:06:25. > :06:29.when we felt the quake. At first I did not think it would either be,

:06:30. > :06:33.but soon I realised it would be huge. We all went under desks to

:06:34. > :06:37.protect ourselves, but the desks were shifting under windows were

:06:38. > :06:43.broken. We all knew the earthquake would not be as small as the ones we

:06:44. > :06:49.were used to. This is the room that Hinako and her friends witnessed the

:06:50. > :06:55.tsunami wave rising and rising, it was quite fast and high.

:06:56. > :06:59.TRANSLATION: It was shocking to see the seats of swings floating in the

:07:00. > :07:03.water, rising up high enough to cover the whole slide. I wondered if

:07:04. > :07:09.I was outside at this very moment, what would happen to me?

:07:10. > :07:14.Hinako took us to wear her old house used to be. No one in the house was

:07:15. > :07:17.killed, but this empty spot is all that remains.

:07:18. > :07:23.This was where your home used to be. Can you tell us what happened?

:07:24. > :07:27.TRANSLATION: Ever since I was born I lived in this house with my mum, dad

:07:28. > :07:32.and big sister. She was alone at home when the soon army hit the

:07:33. > :07:36.house. She ran to our neighbour and saw the car being washed away by the

:07:37. > :07:41.soon army. She insisted she never wanted to live around here again,

:07:42. > :07:44.that is why we decided to leave the area.

:07:45. > :07:47.My school friends help the after the difficult times following the

:07:48. > :07:52.tsunami. I have many friends know, I feel very lucky.

:07:53. > :07:59.The father of Becky Watts, the Bristol teenager murdered by her own

:08:00. > :08:02.step mother, says that if the death sentence was available for her

:08:03. > :08:07.killers he would pull the lever himself. He told Newsnight he felt

:08:08. > :08:11.deceived and shocked by his stepson Nathan Matthews, who was convicted

:08:12. > :08:16.of Becky Watts' murder. Matthew's girlfriend Shauna Hoare was found

:08:17. > :08:20.guilty of manslaughter. He was speaking after the publication of

:08:21. > :08:23.his book in which he writes about the guilt he feels of not seeing the

:08:24. > :08:29.signs that something was going badly wrong in his family unit. He told

:08:30. > :08:33.Kirsty Wark of Nathan and Shauna 's reaction when it first became clear

:08:34. > :08:37.that Becky was missing. Not an inkling of guilt or anything,

:08:38. > :08:42.nothing happened. I think it was the family liaison

:08:43. > :08:45.officer who said to you, they are being questioned, you were

:08:46. > :08:49.disbelieving? I just could not believe it. I thought it was the

:08:50. > :08:57.normal thing, nine times out of ten it is someone they know. And then it

:08:58. > :09:04.now turns out that Nathan and Shauna were in the house, and in the car

:09:05. > :09:09.right side was Becky's body. 12 feet away from where I was sat, her body

:09:10. > :09:13.was in the back of the car and they did not even know it.

:09:14. > :09:19.And then they ordered a Chinese takeaway? Yeah. In the book, you say

:09:20. > :09:24.that in court you heard the council say that two years earlier, Becky

:09:25. > :09:30.had told a friend that Nathan had described in graphic detail how he

:09:31. > :09:36.plans to kill her. Yeah. That was the first we heard of it, in court.

:09:37. > :09:42.I I think what I am struggling to understand, it would have been

:09:43. > :09:46.terrifying, apparently he told her several times in graphic detail. I

:09:47. > :09:54.don't understand why she did not come to us. You are the parents of

:09:55. > :10:01.both the murdered and the murderer. Do you ever think of Nathan as your

:10:02. > :10:05.son now? No, no, I can't. People often ask me about how I feel about

:10:06. > :10:11.Nathan after what he did. Of course, I still love him, he is my son. When

:10:12. > :10:15.you are remotely you cannot ignore the unconditional love for your

:10:16. > :10:21.children, no matter with what they do. How do you deal with Angie's

:10:22. > :10:28.continuing love for Nathan? That is a bit of a sore subject for me. And

:10:29. > :10:36.she tends not to mention it now. I understand that, you know,

:10:37. > :10:41.unconditional love for an infant, it is fine, but not when they had

:10:42. > :10:46.turned into a monster. I can't get my head around that. If it was on

:10:47. > :10:53.the other foot and Danny was the monster, I would have real problems

:10:54. > :10:57.showing him any love or affection. Your own son? My own biological son,

:10:58. > :11:02.yeah. I would find that very difficult after something so heinous

:11:03. > :11:08.has been done by them, you know? Do you still want him dead? If they

:11:09. > :11:15.were going to hang him, I would pull the lever so no one else would have

:11:16. > :11:19.to carry the guilt. Darren Galsworthy talking to Kirsty

:11:20. > :11:22.Wark on Newsnight. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

:11:23. > :11:28.is about to outline new economic plans ahead of the Budget next week.

:11:29. > :11:34.He promises that any future Labour government will balance the books by

:11:35. > :11:40.matching the day-to-day spending with the amount it raises in taxes.

:11:41. > :11:43.We know now from the world central bank that the world economy is

:11:44. > :11:48.looking at stagnation and there needs to be a new rule. We want

:11:49. > :11:53.people to have confidence in a Labour government, meaning we are

:11:54. > :11:56.introducing a new fiscal credibility rule. First, that a Labour

:11:57. > :12:02.government will always balance day-to-day expenditure. Second, we

:12:03. > :12:09.will only borrow for the long-term. That means investment in, the homes

:12:10. > :12:14.that we need, railways, homes, renewable energy and new technology

:12:15. > :12:19.to grow the economy. Third, debt will fall under a Labour government

:12:20. > :12:24.over a five-year period. Finally, all this will be supervised

:12:25. > :12:28.independently by the Office for Budget Responsibility, reporting

:12:29. > :12:31.directly to Parliament. It is a new iron discipline for a Labour

:12:32. > :12:35.government. That speak to our political

:12:36. > :12:39.correspondent Eleanor Ghani. This is really important for Labour, voters

:12:40. > :12:45.judge they were not economic the credible before the last election?

:12:46. > :12:48.Exactly. Labour know they have a big problem when it comes to economic

:12:49. > :12:54.credibility and add knowledge it was something they could not be the

:12:55. > :12:57.Conservatives on in the 20 15th general election, it is something

:12:58. > :13:01.that their own report into what went wrong during the general election

:13:02. > :13:06.said they could not win the argument on the economy. So they are trying

:13:07. > :13:10.to put their best foot forward and prove that if labour, John McDonnell

:13:11. > :13:15.and Jeremy Corbyn were in charge of the economy, it would be in safe

:13:16. > :13:22.hands. We're hearing about something called the fiscal credibility rule,

:13:23. > :13:25.something that will be new. They are going to say that any Labour

:13:26. > :13:31.government will try to balance day-to-day spending with the amount

:13:32. > :13:34.it raises in taxes. That is the deficit, the amount you get, the

:13:35. > :13:38.amount you want to spend every day, compared to the taxes you are

:13:39. > :13:44.getting in. They are saying this is a response double way, they will

:13:45. > :13:48.only borrow to invest in things like transport, the roads, trains et. It

:13:49. > :13:52.will be difficult for Labour to win the battle, because on the one hand

:13:53. > :13:56.they want to show they will deal with the deficit and the economy in

:13:57. > :14:00.a way that looks responsible, on the other side they have to convince all

:14:01. > :14:04.those hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members and others who

:14:05. > :14:08.have supported Jeremy Corbyn 's anti-austerity stands that they are

:14:09. > :14:13.doing what they elected him to do. It will be a difficult argument for

:14:14. > :14:18.Labour to balance and get right, but that is why he is setting out his

:14:19. > :14:22.stall just five days ahead of George Osborne's Budget next week on it

:14:23. > :14:26.will be a big argument as to whether Labour can regain some of that

:14:27. > :14:30.credibility on the economy. Thank you, Alan Ghani at

:14:31. > :14:31.Westminster. We will dip into John McDonnell in the next half-hour was

:14:32. > :14:38.so. -- half hour or so. Next this morning, Britain has

:14:39. > :14:41.always had what's known as a special relationship with America

:14:42. > :14:42.because of our close political, cultural, economic

:14:43. > :14:44.and military ties. But it's come under strain

:14:45. > :14:46.because President Obama has openly criticised David Cameron

:14:47. > :14:48.over his actions in Libya. Speaking to an American magazine,

:14:49. > :14:50.the US President said Britain and France allowed the country

:14:51. > :14:53.to become a mess after military David Cameron and the then French

:14:54. > :15:00.president Nicolas Sarkozy jointly celebrated with the Libyans

:15:01. > :15:04.in the eastern city of Benghazi in September 2011 after leading

:15:05. > :15:07.western air strikes, saving the city and helping bring

:15:08. > :15:22.down the ruthless dictator Colonel Colonel Gaddafi said he would happen

:15:23. > :15:24.to you down like rats, but you showed the courage of lions, and we

:15:25. > :15:25.salute your courage. And President Obama says Cameron

:15:26. > :15:29.took his eye off the ball after becoming distracted

:15:30. > :15:31.by other things. Obama also criticises our defence

:15:32. > :15:34.spending and complains about free So are they both as close

:15:35. > :15:45.as they would like us to believe? We can speak now to the former

:15:46. > :15:58.Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Thank you for talking to us. What do

:15:59. > :16:03.you make of this attack by Obama on Cameron? I am not sure he thought of

:16:04. > :16:07.himself as making an attack, it is part of a long interview. The two

:16:08. > :16:11.quite proper points you have made were incidental in a wider

:16:12. > :16:14.reminiscence about his time as president. Dealing with the

:16:15. > :16:18.substance of what he said, it is perfectly reasonable to say that the

:16:19. > :16:22.West as a whole has not given sufficient attention to Libya since

:16:23. > :16:26.the fall of Gaddafi. It is a bit rich of President Obama to single

:16:27. > :16:29.out Britain and France and not include the United States. The

:16:30. > :16:37.United States was also involved in the military dimer and, US Tomahawk

:16:38. > :16:42.missiles were used to larger tax on Gaddafi 's forces -- in the military

:16:43. > :16:46.dimensional. The US gave military support to the UK and French as

:16:47. > :16:48.strikes. If there is criticism, looking at your own action is

:16:49. > :16:58.sometimes appropriate. It was the French president and the

:16:59. > :17:02.British Prime Minister who were there telling Libya, we will stand

:17:03. > :17:11.with you as you build your democracy and the country for the future? We

:17:12. > :17:16.have done so. Really? Absolutely. There has been diplomatic support in

:17:17. > :17:19.trying to bring the warring sides in Libya together. External countries,

:17:20. > :17:22.as we have seen in Iraq and elsewhere, cannot dictate to local

:17:23. > :17:29.people who they make their alliances with and whether they live in peace

:17:30. > :17:33.with their fellow citizens. There has been substantial involvements,

:17:34. > :17:36.but I do acknowledge the international community, in which I

:17:37. > :17:42.include the United States, could have given more priority to Libya

:17:43. > :17:50.and not been preoccupied entirely with Syria and Iraq and Islamic

:17:51. > :17:56.State. What is the solution? In Libya? Libya has a very small

:17:57. > :18:02.population living in a vast territorial area. People along the

:18:03. > :18:09.northern coastline of Libya come from different tribal backgrounds.

:18:10. > :18:14.During the whole kernel Qaddafi dictatorship, which lasted 30 years,

:18:15. > :18:20.it was a personal dictatorship. He refused local democracy and local

:18:21. > :18:24.involvement in the governance of their own country. So you had a

:18:25. > :18:28.vacuum when he fell and it is taking a long time to build the

:18:29. > :18:32.foundations. Even the foundations didn't exist of a modern, more

:18:33. > :18:41.successful of a co-operative Society. Modern extremists are

:18:42. > :18:46.trying to exploit that. Many of these extremists are expats, they

:18:47. > :18:50.are not even Libyans trying to get opportunities from the internal

:18:51. > :18:53.difficulties. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:18:54. > :18:55.Coming up in the last half hour of the programme.

:18:56. > :18:58.Is the Government failing to protect whistleblowers in the NHS

:18:59. > :19:08.The most senior cleric in the Anglican church has warned

:19:09. > :19:10.against condemning people who fear the impact of large-scale

:19:11. > :19:15.Archbishop Justin Welby said people were entitled to fear the impact

:19:16. > :19:20.of large numbers of migrants on their communities.

:19:21. > :19:23.Tony Blair has urged supporters of the European Union

:19:24. > :19:26.to argue their case with passion, vigour and determination.

:19:27. > :19:31.The former Prime Minister said that wanting to stay in wasn't just

:19:32. > :19:34.better for the rich or privileged, but also for ordinary people

:19:35. > :19:39.Downing Street and the White House insist there's still a strong

:19:40. > :19:41.'special relationship' between Britain and the US -

:19:42. > :19:42.despite unexpected criticism from President Obama.

:19:43. > :19:44.He said David Cameron had become distracted after the military

:19:45. > :19:47.intervention in Libya, and the North African country had

:19:48. > :20:09.People across Japan have bowed their heads in memory

:20:10. > :20:11.of the 18,000 victims of the catastrophic earthquake

:20:12. > :20:13.and tsunami which devastated the country's north east coast five

:20:14. > :20:18.John Watson has the sport headlines now, and it was quite a night

:20:19. > :20:21.It's advantage Liverpool after they beat Manchester United

:20:22. > :20:23.2-0 in the first leg of their Europa League tie

:20:24. > :20:26.at Anfield - a defeat which prompted yet more criticism of manager

:20:27. > :20:36.Tottenham's European adventure looks over after they were heavily beaten

:20:37. > :20:41.in Germany, losing 3-0 to Borussia Dortmund.

:20:42. > :20:50.Andy Murray says Maria Sharapova must accept hairband and is

:20:51. > :20:54.surprised the rocket manufacturer, head has vowed to stand by her. He

:20:55. > :20:59.said he has only been drug tested twice this season, which isn't

:21:00. > :21:02.enough. And Eddie Jones has brought an end to his self-imposed media

:21:03. > :21:07.ban, explaining he had opted not to speak in the run-up to the six

:21:08. > :21:10.Nations match with Wales because he wanted to take a backward step from

:21:11. > :21:16.the press. Not that he will want his team to do that on the pitch. That

:21:17. > :21:24.is all the sport for now. The Government has failed to do

:21:25. > :21:26.enough to protect and encourage whistleblowers to come forward,

:21:27. > :21:29.a group of MPs is warning today. The House of Commons Public Accounts

:21:30. > :21:31.Committee says it's "disappointed by the lack of urgency shown

:21:32. > :21:34.in dealing with this important topic" and demanded more be done

:21:35. > :21:36.to drive through changes. In a previous report from two years

:21:37. > :21:39.ago, the committee said whistleblowers "have been

:21:40. > :21:40.shockingly treated", and warned that attempts

:21:41. > :21:42.by government departments to improve their policies had failed

:21:43. > :21:47."in modifying a bullying culture". Let's hear from an NHS

:21:48. > :21:49.whistleblower. DR Raj Mattu, a cardiologist

:21:50. > :21:51.who worked at Walsgrave Hospital in Coventry, was sacked in 2010

:21:52. > :21:54.after revealing that two patients had died in dangerously overcrowded

:21:55. > :21:58.bays nine years previously. An employment tribunal ruled

:21:59. > :22:02.that he had been unfairly dismissed and he was eventually awarded

:22:03. > :22:05.?1.2 million in damages by hospital Also with us, David Mowat

:22:06. > :22:08.the Conservative MP for Warrington South, who sits

:22:09. > :22:11.on the Public Accounts Committee What happened to you? Coventry is my

:22:12. > :22:29.hometown and I was asked to go back there after spending time in

:22:30. > :22:34.London to help set the new medical school of Art Warwick University.

:22:35. > :22:39.The first thing that struck me was the managers in the hospital were

:22:40. > :22:43.not there for the same reasons most clinicians are, patient safety were

:22:44. > :22:49.not the priority and they were too busy chasing their careers and

:22:50. > :22:55.government targets. As I started raising concerns about safety and

:22:56. > :23:00.under resourcing, they fell on deaf ears initially. When an independent

:23:01. > :23:01.enquiry by the commission for health improvement showed us to have an

:23:02. > :23:18.excessive death rate of 60%, almost chip, the trust denied that any

:23:19. > :23:25.patients had been put at risk. I felt compelled to go on BBC TV to

:23:26. > :23:29.describe the two depths I knew of in relation to overcrowding. How were

:23:30. > :23:38.you treated after that? It was a brutal and dirty campaign

:23:39. > :23:41.to discredit me and distract from the whistle-blowing issues I raised,

:23:42. > :23:46.to focus more on me in the hope that if they discredited me, the

:23:47. > :23:49.whistle-blowing could be smothered and forgotten about. That, sadly,

:23:50. > :23:55.has happened. What impact did it have on you? It affected my

:23:56. > :24:13.health. I have suffered autoimmune problem. My wife and I

:24:14. > :24:17.delayed getting married. The normal milestones and things people

:24:18. > :24:22.enjoyed, we were prevented from doing. Each year they crept further

:24:23. > :24:29.and further and I had one of the most expensive suspensions in the

:24:30. > :24:31.NHS of five and a half years. Then they held a disciplinary process

:24:32. > :24:43.in my absence and dismissed me. They took 200 cases to the GMC, hoping

:24:44. > :24:50.one would stick so they could hold it against me. Fortunately for me

:24:51. > :24:57.the GMC did not uphold any one of them. Apart from keeping me out of

:24:58. > :25:06.work for so long, they have prevented patients from the care I

:25:07. > :25:12.would have provided. It is an estimated ?14 million plus trying to

:25:13. > :25:17.deal with me. By becoming a skilled, I am at the mercy of Jeremy Hunt,

:25:18. > :25:22.the secretary of state and the chief of the NHS, to intervene and put

:25:23. > :25:26.right, finally, the damage that has been done from me doing the right

:25:27. > :25:27.thing and speaking out for the public.

:25:28. > :25:30.David from the Public Accounts Committee,

:25:31. > :25:35.been done to encourage and protect whistle-blowers, could this happen

:25:36. > :25:44.again? The story you have just heard is an

:25:45. > :25:47.awful story and it is the reason two years ago, the Public Accounts

:25:48. > :25:50.Committee looked at this. He asked, could it happen again?

:25:51. > :25:56.It could, I suppose. We need to put in processes, procedures and culture

:25:57. > :25:57.that stops it happening, or makes it

:25:58. > :25:59.unlikely. How much has changed since your last

:26:00. > :26:07.report? As you said at the start, we have reviewed how far the

:26:08. > :26:15.government have got at implementing what we

:26:16. > :26:17.said two years ago. We were disappointed at the pace of change.

:26:18. > :26:22.There was a task group in Whitehall set up to make

:26:23. > :26:27.this institutionalised. It has met once in 18 months.

:26:28. > :26:31.It is not adequate. There is not enough evidence all departments are

:26:32. > :26:37.taking this seriously. There is still no evidence the

:26:38. > :26:41.government has extended their policies into, if you like,

:26:42. > :26:47.a lot of public services. We would like to see action on all of these

:26:48. > :26:57.things. Because the story we have In the meantime, what is the

:26:58. > :27:00.incentive for people to go to their losses and say, this isn't

:27:01. > :27:05.worried about, it isn't right for patient safety and it seems

:27:06. > :27:07.dangerous to me? The incentive is people have tried

:27:08. > :27:09.to do the right thing. It is a professional

:27:10. > :27:22.position they take. It is not about incentives, it is

:27:23. > :27:27.about ensuring, having had those complaints, the organisation doesn't

:27:28. > :27:29.just say, we are going to get rid of you, it says we are going to

:27:30. > :27:34.necessarily in a way that makes other people blame other people, but

:27:35. > :27:42.address them and get them fixed. hasn't been the case, it is about

:27:43. > :27:44.culture, defensiveness and it is about people not doing their jobs

:27:45. > :27:51.properly. Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary,

:27:52. > :27:54.they have talked about getting rid of the culture of fear and blame.

:27:55. > :28:01.Talked about this week about NHS staff not facing any

:28:02. > :28:02.prosecution, for example. There would be

:28:03. > :28:05.immunity for people who raised concerns or issues about patient

:28:06. > :28:14.safety, for example. But the culture has got a long way

:28:15. > :28:14.to go hasn't it? First of all, all whistle-blowers

:28:15. > :28:22.the report the Public Accounts Committee have come up with.

:28:23. > :28:23.Unfortunately, it reinforces what we have been

:28:24. > :28:31.saying as whistle-blowers, in all walks of life. We have been calling

:28:32. > :28:32.for a very long time, and I think the report reinforces this. I think

:28:33. > :28:38.it is to have a national office of the

:28:39. > :28:42.whistle-blower, which takes responsibility, not just in the

:28:43. > :28:46.health service, but for whistle-blowing in general. The

:28:47. > :28:46.committee reported on senior civil servants felt they couldn't go

:28:47. > :28:47.outside what they are presently doing in

:28:48. > :28:57.government departments, because ability or the know-how on how to do

:28:58. > :29:04.it. If they set up a national office of which the NHS would form one arm,

:29:05. > :29:05.it would stop protecting the public for the first time.

:29:06. > :29:14.The concerns I have raised and hundreds of the whistle-blowers have

:29:15. > :29:14.raised, never get investigated. So valuable

:29:15. > :29:20.lessons to improve to make sure it doesn't happen to somebody else are

:29:21. > :29:22.lost. Focus becomes the whistle-blower and the destruction

:29:23. > :29:28.of the whistle-blower. We have hundreds of people who are

:29:29. > :29:30.whistle-blowers, very skilled people who have no role in the NHS, because

:29:31. > :29:31.it will not re-employ them. I urge

:29:32. > :29:40.those in charge to redeploy that skill set to help solve the problem

:29:41. > :29:41.the committee has highlighted and engage

:29:42. > :29:49.them to become part of the solution and not stigmatise them as traitors.

:29:50. > :29:52.Thank you both very much. We have a statement from the University

:29:53. > :29:59.hospital of Coventry and Warwickshire NHS Trust. It is a

:30:00. > :30:05.sick difficult reduction from the original claim and has finally

:30:06. > :30:08.resolve this matter. We accept it has been difficult for all involved

:30:09. > :30:13.and are relieved this case has now been brought to an end.

:30:14. > :30:15.The youngest chairman in British football has told Newsbeat his age

:30:16. > :30:17.has not stopped him getting respect in the game.

:30:18. > :30:20.David Sharpe was just 23 when he took charge

:30:21. > :30:22.of League One Wigan and he wasn't afraid to quickly

:30:23. > :30:27.He sacked their manager Malky McKay after just a month in the job.

:30:28. > :30:29.David took over from his Grandad Dave Whelan at the DW

:30:30. > :30:33.BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat reporter Mike Williams spent a match

:30:34. > :30:37.COMMENTATOR: Wigan having a cracking season.

:30:38. > :30:42.A year ago this weekend, the chairman of Wigan,

:30:43. > :30:44.Dave Whelan, handed over the reins of this club

:30:45. > :30:51.And I think he's just arrived here now.

:30:52. > :30:53.Less than two months after David took over the club,

:30:54. > :31:01.But the 2013 FA Cup winners are now fighting to get back promoted

:31:02. > :31:03.to the Championship at the first attempt.

:31:04. > :31:09.A couple of years ago I was probably going out more and enjoying myself

:31:10. > :31:12.more, now I have to be careful as to how you live your life.

:31:13. > :31:16.But, I mean, I'm a single lad so I do enjoy a night out every now

:31:17. > :31:18.and again, but it is different when I do,

:31:19. > :31:22.no, there's people know who you are and they all want to be

:31:23. > :31:24.mates with you for the wrong reasons, so I keep my group

:31:25. > :31:28.A lot of people think, how can a 23-year-old

:31:29. > :31:30.run a football club, but what people forget is that

:31:31. > :31:33.people are in football clubs these days who have never watched

:31:34. > :31:35.a game in their life, even when they buy it

:31:36. > :31:39.In terms of football experience, I've got a lot more

:31:40. > :31:44.What would you say to those fans who might say that your grandad

:31:45. > :31:46.is the one who still really pulling the strings?

:31:47. > :31:49.He's been in Barbados for four months and he dropped his phone

:31:50. > :31:51.in the sea, so he's definitely not pulling the strings!

:31:52. > :31:54.He obviously calls me after a game if we win and says well done,

:31:55. > :31:56.he's a hard-working guy, he's a businessman.

:31:57. > :32:00.He puts his work first but his family means a lot to him.

:32:01. > :32:03.When my dad passed away, we pulled in close as a family

:32:04. > :32:05.and he's a special guy and I love him, yes.

:32:06. > :32:07.And to talk about your life just supporting Wigan,

:32:08. > :32:13.It wasn't just because my grandad owned the club, I was born in Wigan,

:32:14. > :32:17.so I was a mascot when I was younger, my little brother was even

:32:18. > :32:19.a mascot at Wembley when we won the club.

:32:20. > :32:33.We will all in the royal box and I think we were the only people

:32:34. > :32:36.to have ever done shots in the Royal box.

:32:37. > :32:47.We did a couple. What sort of music is on your pre-match playlist? I

:32:48. > :32:53.love R and deep house, nothing in between. That is probably not normal

:32:54. > :33:01.for a chairman. Post-season trip to Ibiza for the players if they get

:33:02. > :33:04.promoted? No comment. With kick-off approaching, David

:33:05. > :33:07.heads for his pre-match prep, while the players get ready to take to the

:33:08. > :33:11.pitch. With just a couple of minutes to go

:33:12. > :33:16.before kick-off, the players are out on the pitch. David has sorted me

:33:17. > :33:21.out with a Wigan athletic scar. He could not get me in the direct does

:33:22. > :33:25.box, but he has got me a ticket for the main stand. -- the directors

:33:26. > :33:35.box. The Wigan keeper just took a pretty

:33:36. > :33:41.bad knock on the goal-line. He has been taken off, and with just 20

:33:42. > :33:43.minutes gone Wigan are making a substitution, bringing on their

:33:44. > :33:47.substitute goalie. Despite having lost their last five

:33:48. > :33:53.matches, Peter Brett starts strongly and have Wigan on the back foot. --

:33:54. > :33:56.Peterborough starts strongly. The first 25 minutes of the second top

:33:57. > :34:09.do not look much better, but then finally... Wigan score!

:34:10. > :34:14.Finally a breakthrough for Wigan after 71 minutes. They are a goal in

:34:15. > :34:22.front and on the way to victory. Home side celebrations are short

:34:23. > :34:29.lived. Over the wall, curling it in! Madison has equalised! A corner to

:34:30. > :34:34.Wigan, will this be the breakthrough? No.

:34:35. > :34:38.The visitors are controversially denied a late penalty, so it ends

:34:39. > :34:48.1-1, but the fanzine reasonably happy. -- the fans seem. Not that

:34:49. > :34:54.great, but another point closer. Dave Sharpe is a good chairman,

:34:55. > :34:58.everything is good. What is so good? He is ambitious and you're like the

:34:59. > :35:04.squad, he has had that velocity from the beginning. -- ambitious and

:35:05. > :35:08.young. He has always wanted a young team, hungry back for promotion,

:35:09. > :35:13.they could fire roasted the Championship, and then where? I'm

:35:14. > :35:20.lucky. A free kick came from nowhere. But they are not a bad

:35:21. > :35:27.team. That is a point gained. Promotion is the main game, you

:35:28. > :35:32.cannot throw too much money at it and leave the club vulnerable, so

:35:33. > :35:36.you need to create and by young players, and have experienced ones

:35:37. > :35:41.around to nurture them. Once you get a winning habit, it is hard to give

:35:42. > :35:49.up. Thank you so much for your time, mate. Best of luck for the rest of

:35:50. > :35:57.the season. Let's see yourself eat, have a look. Will you get an album?

:35:58. > :36:03.I have them on my wall! There goes the Peterborough bus, a

:36:04. > :36:08.big match at the DW Stadium. It is clear that Dave is a very popular

:36:09. > :36:13.chairman, there is a lot of love for him, he is hands-on and the fans

:36:14. > :36:16.react it did not work out today against Peterborough, but if they

:36:17. > :36:21.get promotion back to the Championship, it will be a job

:36:22. > :36:32.perfectly well done for David in his first year in charge.

:36:33. > :36:35.You can share that film online. We have been talking about sexual

:36:36. > :36:40.harassment, being groped and sexually assaulted in public. In

:36:41. > :36:47.public transport, gigs, clubs, the street. So many of you experience

:36:48. > :36:52.this. We will talk to a couple of you as you got into it in a moment.

:36:53. > :36:55.Fight a few of you feel it is not taken seriously by bosses or the

:36:56. > :36:58.police, almost two thirds of women in the UK say they have been a

:36:59. > :37:05.victim of it. I feel like women, and men, don't

:37:06. > :37:10.think it is worth reporting. And it is, and you are not alone. If you

:37:11. > :37:15.think oh, have I done something to warrant this behaviour towards me,

:37:16. > :37:21.you have not. It is not acceptable. You are a person who does not

:37:22. > :37:24.deserve to be touched up or worse on public transport in the shops. It

:37:25. > :37:31.happened so often and people just don't think it is a normal thing to

:37:32. > :37:36.report it, and it is, it should be. That was Jessica Brady, who was

:37:37. > :37:41.assaulted on the tube last year. Let's talk to 22-year-old Olivia

:37:42. > :37:46.from Guildford in Surrey, and 28 year macro Natalie from Southwark in

:37:47. > :37:51.south London. Good morning, both. Natalie, let's start with you, what

:37:52. > :38:00.happened a couple of years ago? A couple of years ago I was on the

:38:01. > :38:11.train and I noticed that someone was basically masturbating at me. On the

:38:12. > :38:16.train. What did you do? I called the police almost immediately. First of

:38:17. > :38:21.all, I said to the person, I can see what you're doing, it's disgusting,

:38:22. > :38:26.get off the train. And they did. I immediately called the police and

:38:27. > :38:36.the police were really good. They took it seriously, obviously. Yeah,

:38:37. > :38:41.a few months later the person was arrested and this eventually went to

:38:42. > :38:47.court and the person was convicted. They work conducted of exposure. The

:38:48. > :38:53.truck with a convicted of. I kind of felt like it was more than a case of

:38:54. > :39:00.exposure, he was masturbating. I felt like there should be a separate

:39:01. > :39:05.charge for those things. The experience of sitting there as he

:39:06. > :39:09.did that, what impact did it have on you? It was awful, really. This

:39:10. > :39:17.wasn't the first time this has happened to me. I have been victim

:39:18. > :39:25.and witness to being masturbated at about a four or five times in my

:39:26. > :39:31.lifetime, since the age of 15 to 26. I just think for one person to have

:39:32. > :39:39.that experience so many times, it is a very depressing thing to have to

:39:40. > :39:44.deal with, that being quite a common and frequent occurrence. And that is

:39:45. > :39:55.just me. It is unbelievable, it is absolutely vital. Olivia, what about

:39:56. > :40:00.yourself? -- it is absolutely Fed. I was on holiday in Greece, we work

:40:01. > :40:06.coding, I was dancing on a platform, a man put his hand up my skirt and

:40:07. > :40:10.touch my private regions before I could slap his hand away, which I

:40:11. > :40:14.did eventually. There was a big crowd, so the staff could not really

:40:15. > :40:19.do anything. I did not report it because I did not know him, I did

:40:20. > :40:23.not know if he was English or Greek. I was really shocked, more shocked

:40:24. > :40:26.than scared, to be honest. It is amazing but some people think that

:40:27. > :40:31.is all right behaviour. Unbelievable. Is there something

:40:32. > :40:37.about the apathy of a nightclub on holiday, I don't know, everyone has

:40:38. > :40:42.had a few drinks? -- about the atmosphere of. I wonder if some

:40:43. > :40:46.people think, yeah, this is what happens? It almost normalises it for

:40:47. > :40:51.some people, even girls, they think it is OK to be touched like that,

:40:52. > :40:55.the boy is drunk and the girl is wearing something provocative, maybe

:40:56. > :40:59.dancing in a certain way, it sends out a signal to say I want this, but

:41:00. > :41:06.if you have not said it, it is not OK. Natalie, the man charged with

:41:07. > :41:14.exposure, what was the punishment? What happened to him? He wasn't put

:41:15. > :41:18.on the sex offenders register, I know that, but there were certain

:41:19. > :41:25.implications with the job that he was working in. I think it was

:41:26. > :41:29.community service and a fine. He appealed and it had to go to court

:41:30. > :41:35.again, and I had to give evidence again as a witness, which was an

:41:36. > :41:41.awful thing to have to do, and to do it twice. He was convicted again and

:41:42. > :41:46.had to pay a fine. Thank you both very much for talking to us, Natalie

:41:47. > :41:52.in south London and Olivia in Surrey.

:41:53. > :41:55.As we reported earlier, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell is

:41:56. > :42:00.outlining new economic plans for Labour ahead of the Budget next

:42:01. > :42:03.week. He says he promises any future Labour Government would balance the

:42:04. > :42:08.books by matching day-to-day spending with the amount it raises

:42:09. > :42:11.in taxes. Speaking in London, he says Labour must rewrite the rules

:42:12. > :42:16.to prove it can be trusted with the country's finances. The old rules

:42:17. > :42:19.meant relying too much in tax revenue from financials that this is

:42:20. > :42:25.an too much on expensive funding schemes like PFI. -- from financial

:42:26. > :42:30.services. We did not do enough to clamp down on tax avoidance. Show

:42:31. > :42:34.how we can account for every penny in tax revenue raised, and every

:42:35. > :42:38.penny spent. There is nothing left-wing about an ever-increasing

:42:39. > :42:44.Government debt or borrowing to cover day-to-day expenses. Borrowing

:42:45. > :42:47.today is money to repay tomorrow. With a greater and greater

:42:48. > :42:51.proportion of Government debt held by those in the rest of the world,

:42:52. > :42:56.Government borrowing increasingly represents a net loss for those of

:42:57. > :43:01.us living here. The public, quite rightly, one is a Government

:43:02. > :43:04.responsible for its finances, and we in the Labour Party now have to show

:43:05. > :43:09.them how we will act as a responsible guardian of those

:43:10. > :43:14.finances. We should not be the Labour Party that only thinks about

:43:15. > :43:21.how to spend. We are the party that thinks about how to earn money. The

:43:22. > :43:24.clue is in our name. We are the party of labour, of the wealth

:43:25. > :43:30.creators, technicians, designers, Sheena is, entrepreneurs, workers

:43:31. > :43:35.and small businesses. We need to get back to the best of our tradition.

:43:36. > :43:39.John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor. On Monday, an exclusive

:43:40. > :43:43.interview with a British man convicted in the United States on

:43:44. > :43:47.terrorism charges. Other Ahmed received a sentence of 12 and a half

:43:48. > :43:52.years for providing support for the Taliban at a time when they were

:43:53. > :43:59.harbouring Osama bin Laden. Watches full story for the first time on

:44:00. > :44:00.Monday at 9:15am. -- watch his full story. Have a good weekend.