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:00:08. > :00:13.I am Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme.

:00:14. > :00:16.As EU leaders look to reach an agreement with Turkey to ease

:00:17. > :00:19.migration crisis - we ask if it's time to adopt

:00:20. > :00:21.an Australian style approach to those wanting to live in Europe.

:00:22. > :00:23.The winners and losers behind scrapping the controversial 'Tampon

:00:24. > :00:30.It has been welcomed by campaigners, but it will lead to charities

:00:31. > :00:34.Ellie Clare was 19 when she died in a car crash alongside her 21

:00:35. > :00:40.The woman who was behind the wheel requested to be released from prison

:00:41. > :00:43.after just 15 weeks - leading to a campaign

:00:44. > :01:02.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC

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:01:23. > :01:26.Today we are talking about the so-called tampon tax.

:01:27. > :01:30.The Government has reached a deal to scrap it, but the money

:01:31. > :01:32.was going to women's charities, will they lose out now?

:01:33. > :01:35.Let us know what you think about the plans.

:01:36. > :01:39.As Sport Relief gets underway tonight, we are looking at some

:01:40. > :01:42.of the good causes that benefit and talking to a woman whose life

:01:43. > :01:44.was turned upside down with post-natal depression and now

:01:45. > :01:48.supports one of the Sport Relief projects.

:01:49. > :01:51.Since January last year, a million migrants and refugees have

:01:52. > :01:55.come to the EU by boat from Turkey to Greece.

:01:56. > :01:58.Prime Minister David Cameron is in Brussels with leaders

:01:59. > :02:01.from other EU countries this morning.

:02:02. > :02:04.They're holding a second day of talks to try to stop this flow

:02:05. > :02:07.of people by striking a deal with Turkey.

:02:08. > :02:11.Let's take a look at the details of that deal and what countries have

:02:12. > :04:00.In the past Australia has suggested Europe look to them for ways

:04:01. > :04:02.of dealing with the migrant and refugee situation,

:04:03. > :04:05.with the country hailing its controversial regime of turning

:04:06. > :04:07.back asylum-seeker boats as a success after yesterday

:04:08. > :04:10.reaching 600 days with no vessels arriving, and almost 700

:04:11. > :04:18.people being turned away since the policy was launched.

:04:19. > :04:21.This is an example of a poster put out by the Government trying

:04:22. > :04:26.to deter people from landing on their shores.

:04:27. > :04:34.It is the policy and practice of the Australian Government to intercept

:04:35. > :04:40.any vessel seeking to illegally enter Australia and safely remove it

:04:41. > :04:48.beyond our waters. If you travel by boat without a visa, you will not

:04:49. > :04:54.make Australia home. The rules apply to everyone - families, children

:04:55. > :05:00.uncompanied children, educated and skilled. There are no exceptions. Do

:05:01. > :05:04.not believe the lies of people smugglers, these criminals will

:05:05. > :05:08.steal your money and place your life and the life of your family at risk

:05:09. > :05:15.for nothing. The message is simple - if you come to Australia illegally

:05:16. > :05:25.by boat, there is no way you will ever make Australia home.

:05:26. > :05:30.Our Correspondent Jon Donnison is in Sydney.

:05:31. > :05:37.Explain how it works. Australia's Conservative Government came to

:05:38. > :05:42.power two and a half years ago and first they launched what it calls

:05:43. > :05:47.operation sovereign borders, that involves the navy turning boats

:05:48. > :05:53.back, people smuggling boats back carrying asylum seeker. Many set off

:05:54. > :05:57.from Indonesia, but carry people from all over the world,

:05:58. > :06:05.Afghanistan, ir-Iraq, Syria, trying to get to Australia. They started

:06:06. > :06:11.turning boats back. The second thing they did was they said anyone who

:06:12. > :06:15.was given refugee status would not be resettled in Australia. Instead

:06:16. > :06:18.they would be moved to third countries and in effect they

:06:19. > :06:24.outsourced the asylum seeker problem, because they paid hundreds

:06:25. > :06:31.of millions of dollars to count sis such as pap ya New Guinea and the

:06:32. > :06:36.Pacific Island of Nauru, where anyone trying to get to Australia,

:06:37. > :06:45.even if they had refugee status, they could go to those countries. We

:06:46. > :06:52.gave some figures at the start. It seems to be doing the trick. It has

:06:53. > :06:59.worked undoubtedly. The policies have been panned by human rights

:07:00. > :07:03.groups and the United Nations, but they have worked. We had the

:07:04. > :07:13.Immigration Minister yesterday saying it is 600 days since a people

:07:14. > :07:18.smuggling boat reached Australia and they have turned back 25 boats. The

:07:19. > :07:22.one thing I would say, some say Europe should learn from what we

:07:23. > :07:27.have done, but although there are similarities there are some big

:07:28. > :07:31.difference. The numbers are on entirely different scale. Even at

:07:32. > :07:36.the height of people trying to reach Australia's shores we were talking

:07:37. > :07:41.about maybe 20,000 in 2012. I think you had the figure more than a

:07:42. > :07:48.million in the past year crossing from Turkey to Greece. The other

:07:49. > :08:00.thing, Australia's a very long way away from most place and it has no

:08:01. > :08:05.land borders. The immigration force find I easier to enforce the

:08:06. > :08:09.borders. Tell us more about the reaction and have there been

:08:10. > :08:15.questions about Australia's legal obligations? There have been

:08:16. > :08:20.questions about whether it is actually legal to turn boats back.

:08:21. > :08:27.Australia insists is it will not do that if it is putting people into

:08:28. > :08:31.harm's way. Australia has said we are raising the quota of the number

:08:32. > :08:37.of people we will accept from places such as Syria if they come through

:08:38. > :08:41.legitimate channels. It is questionable whether that has

:08:42. > :08:46.happened. I saw Australia pledged to take 12,000 additional refugees from

:08:47. > :08:52.Syria last year. So far only 29 have been resettled in Australia. It has

:08:53. > :08:59.to be said, while there has been international criticism, the usual

:09:00. > :09:04.suspects, human rights watch, Amnesty International, the UN.

:09:05. > :09:09.Broadly at home the policies are popular. The opposition Labour Party

:09:10. > :09:14.is not saying do anything significantly different. While they

:09:15. > :09:23.may be criticised abroad, at home they have been popular. Let's bring

:09:24. > :09:27.in professor Alex Betts. What do you think about what is going on in

:09:28. > :09:31.Australia with the way the migration situation has been dealt versus what

:09:32. > :09:37.is happening in Europe? There are strong and worrying parallels

:09:38. > :09:42.between the proposed contents of the EU/Turkey deal and what Australia

:09:43. > :09:46.has been doing. Both have in common the attempt to transfer large

:09:47. > :09:53.amounts to a third country to accept refugees and process their claims.

:09:54. > :09:55.That logic of outsourcing, which is inherent to the Australian policy is

:09:56. > :10:00.what is being pushed here. The problem is of course that the

:10:01. > :10:04.Australian policy has been dreadful for human rights and involved

:10:05. > :10:10.detaining children, vulnerable people for long periods of time. It

:10:11. > :10:18.has created a separation between worthy refugees, those that wait for

:10:19. > :10:23.resettlement and unworthy refugees who try and seek asylum in

:10:24. > :10:29.Australia. One big difference between the EU and the Australian

:10:30. > :10:37.model is that it is effectively one migrant in, one out with Turkey. The

:10:38. > :10:45.one in one out policy means that for every person sent back from Greece

:10:46. > :10:45.to Turkey, the EU commit to one resettlement

:10:46. > :10:53.But it is questionable whether that is work yoobl. The EU has not

:10:54. > :10:59.committed the number of resettlement places to take in

:11:00. > :11:02.those Syrians. There are a lot of unanswered questions about how the

:11:03. > :11:11.one in one out deal will work and also an appalling way to look at

:11:12. > :11:15.asylum. The idea you can forcibly use coercion against a refugee

:11:16. > :11:20.population, send them back to Turkey and only accept those who wait

:11:21. > :11:24.calmly in Turkey for us to come and get them. There are a lot of

:11:25. > :11:33.unanswered questions about whether the EU a Turkey would have to use

:11:34. > :11:40.force. The actions take non-Australia, ivening against --

:11:41. > :11:43.including against children have led to suicides and psychological

:11:44. > :11:50.problems and in Australia, yes, the numbers of people arriving by boat

:11:51. > :11:56.has gone down, the going if I in Europe is -- Geography in Europe is

:11:57. > :12:01.different. It is an order of magnitude that is different. What is

:12:02. > :12:06.your view on the EU deal and whether it is workable and legal. There are

:12:07. > :12:12.a lot of problems. Legally, the European Union has proclaimed Turk

:12:13. > :12:13.ey is a third safe country. But it doesn't

:12:14. > :12:20.mean the EU's criteria for a safe country. It is not a country we can

:12:21. > :12:34.send people to. there are unanswered questions about

:12:35. > :12:41.whether Cyprus would involve part of the deal that would involve Turkish

:12:42. > :12:44.succession to Europe. We are getting into the president with the

:12:45. > :12:52.Turkish president, who has an appalling human rights record. Most

:12:53. > :12:54.agree it illegal, politically challenging a and there are so many

:12:55. > :12:57.unanswered questions will people be deported and detained

:12:58. > :13:21.and what it mean foyer human rights. Temperature U has an internal and

:13:22. > :13:27.external aspect to this. What we should be doing is ensuring

:13:28. > :13:33.opportunities for Syrian refugees, building job opportunities and

:13:34. > :13:38.education opportunities in countries like Turkey, Jordan and election.

:13:39. > :13:44.Alongside creating those opportunities we have to create a

:13:45. > :13:49.viable, common European asylum system that guarantees that refugees

:13:50. > :13:57.that come to Europe can can get access to asylum. The E. Seems to

:13:58. > :14:01.have given up on a new deal for sharing responsibility among 28

:14:02. > :14:07.states. And its plan A has been to work with Turkey and it has had no

:14:08. > :14:10.plan B. Yes, work with Turkey, create job and education

:14:11. > :14:11.opportunities, ways refugees can flourish and don't

:14:12. > :14:14.need to come to Europe. But there obligation to ensure that genuine

:14:15. > :14:26.refugees get access to asylum. We need an internal and an external

:14:27. > :14:29.dimension to the policy and we can't give up on getting our own house in

:14:30. > :14:30.order for people's rights. Still to come: A long-running

:14:31. > :14:40.campaign to scrap VAT on women's sanitary products is a step closer

:14:41. > :14:43.to success; we'll have the details. And man whose daughter was killed

:14:44. > :14:45.in a car crash tells us about his fight to make sure

:14:46. > :14:48.the person responsible, a friend of hers who

:14:49. > :14:50.was driving recklessly, First, it's the main

:14:51. > :15:06.news this morning. EU leaders agree a controversial

:15:07. > :15:09.plan to put to Turkey on tackling But it seems to have been watered

:15:10. > :15:15.down on concessions of visa-free Key talks with Turkey are continuing

:15:16. > :15:20.in Brussels this morning. There are mixed messages

:15:21. > :15:23.from the government over its plans Last night Education Secretary Nicky

:15:24. > :15:29.Morgan said the proposals were still 'under consultation',

:15:30. > :15:31.that's led some to think they could be changed, to avert

:15:32. > :15:33.a possible Tory backbench revolt. But now the BBC's been told that

:15:34. > :15:36.that she 'doesn't seem to understand' the plan

:15:37. > :15:39.and that the government is not in what's being called

:15:40. > :15:41.'concession territory'. An 18-year-old man has been

:15:42. > :15:44.shot dead in Birmingham. The teenager was found lying

:15:45. > :15:47.in a street in the Ladywood area at around 7 last night

:15:48. > :15:49.and was pronounced dead A man has died after an accident on

:15:50. > :16:16.a tall building in LA. The Ordnance Survey has re-measured

:16:17. > :16:19.the Scottish peak and its official height is now 1,345 metres -

:16:20. > :16:25.that's a metre taller than before. Coming up at 10 we'll be live

:16:26. > :16:29.at the Cheltenham Festival where Victoria Pendleton,

:16:30. > :16:32.Britain's double Olympic cycling champion swaps saddles

:16:33. > :16:35.on the biggest stage. Pendleton rides Pacha Du Polder

:16:36. > :16:38.in the Foxhunter Chase. It's been hyped up so much this race

:16:39. > :16:42.that we're talking about it more today than the famous

:16:43. > :16:45.Gold Cup at 3.30. Amazing to think that this time last

:16:46. > :16:48.year, she hadn't even sat The bookmakers are predicting record

:16:49. > :16:53.business in Gloucestershire. It's thought over ?65 million

:16:54. > :17:00.will be bet on Pendleton's race Elsewhere today the criticism

:17:01. > :17:04.for Louis Van Gaal continues as his Manchester United

:17:05. > :17:07.side were knocked out of the Europa League last night

:17:08. > :17:12.by between arch rivals Liverpool. The quarter final draw

:17:13. > :17:14.takes place at midday. the new Formula One

:17:15. > :17:17.season is under way. World Champion Lewis Hamilton set

:17:18. > :17:20.the quickest time in both practice sessions in Melbourne ahead

:17:21. > :17:22.of Sunday's first race. His Mercedes team mate and rival

:17:23. > :17:36.Nico Rosberg crashed It looks like the long running

:17:37. > :17:40.campaign to get rid of the Tam upon tax could be on the home stretch.

:17:41. > :17:45.Officials say David Cameron's got the backing of other leaders to

:17:46. > :17:48.allow the UK to scrap it. In London the Government faces a possible

:17:49. > :17:52.result from Euro-sceptics threatening to join Labour in voting

:17:53. > :17:57.to remove the 5% charge which, at the moment, is the lowest allowed

:17:58. > :18:01.under EU law. There'll be plans published in Brussels next week to

:18:02. > :18:05.give us the freedom to see the back of the tampon tax once and for all.

:18:06. > :18:07.The Chancellor said, we have heard people's anger over this loud and

:18:08. > :19:09.clear. The VAT levied on sanitary products

:19:10. > :19:14.will be diverted or has been diverted to women's charities. One

:19:15. > :19:16.of those that's received money is the Eve appeal.

:19:17. > :19:19.With me in the studio is Laura Coryton who set up

:19:20. > :19:22.the Stop Period Tax campaign and Athena Lamnisos from the charity

:19:23. > :19:37.And in Dewsbry is the Labour MP Laula Herriff who has been

:19:38. > :19:52.Law that you must be pleased. How did you get involved? My friend told

:19:53. > :19:56.me about this a few years ago. I startded looking into what was tax

:19:57. > :20:02.and what was not and that's when I found that the maintenance of

:20:03. > :20:05.private jets aren't taxed or like Jaffa Cakes, so then I thought this

:20:06. > :20:09.really has to be wrong and something has to be done. So it wasn't so much

:20:10. > :20:12.about the amount that it was costing people using the product, it was the

:20:13. > :20:21.fact that you felt there was discrimination? Yes. Athena, good

:20:22. > :20:29.has come of the tax, tell us what you have received as a result of

:20:30. > :20:32.this? The Eve Appeal is a gynaecology charity and issues are

:20:33. > :20:39.underfunded and undertalked about and this kind of boost and what more

:20:40. > :20:42.relevant use of the tampon cost than for gynaecology cancers has been

:20:43. > :20:47.fantastic and a really good way to fund research which is, our research

:20:48. > :20:49.is the more cutting edge end of things and where conventional

:20:50. > :20:52.scientific funders are more difficult to come by. So it's just

:20:53. > :20:58.been brilliant getting this boost at this point in time.

:20:59. > :21:04.And you have had ?350,000? Yes, for a risk prediction programme which is

:21:05. > :21:09.looking at risk across four women's cancers and developing an innovative

:21:10. > :21:12.test to predict that risk with women so it's a real hi cutting edge

:21:13. > :21:20.programme that they have chose tonne invest in which has been fantastic.

:21:21. > :21:28.Obviously if the taxes stayed in place, that money would carry on

:21:29. > :21:38.flowing to charities like yours? It could do. What do you think about

:21:39. > :21:42.that? Forgive the pun but it's bleeding obvious that it should

:21:43. > :21:45.continue. Women's causes are hard to fund so it's been an interesting way

:21:46. > :21:49.of looking at things and, if you look at the list of charities that

:21:50. > :21:53.received funding in the second tranche, the Eve appeal was lucky

:21:54. > :21:58.enough to be in the first tranche of funding in November for the first

:21:59. > :22:00.part of the budget statement. There's some really interesting

:22:01. > :22:04.projects there which would have found funding very hard to come by

:22:05. > :22:07.from other places of that scale and volume and I think that's an

:22:08. > :22:15.interesting lesson that the Government should be learning. I'll

:22:16. > :22:19.be interested to hear from Paula about that because her issues are

:22:20. > :22:23.very strong. Paula, what is your thought on the tampon tax being

:22:24. > :22:27.scrapped and the broader implications of it? Good morning

:22:28. > :22:31.Victoria, obviously I'm pleased with the news that came out yesterday.

:22:32. > :22:36.It's been a long time coming and we are not there yet but it's sounding

:22:37. > :22:40.good. We are hopeful the Chancellor will accept the amendment I've

:22:41. > :22:43.tabled to the budget next week so that will hopefully start the

:22:44. > :22:48.legislative journey about getting this ridiculous tax scrapped once

:22:49. > :22:55.and for all. But we need to ensure that organisations and charities

:22:56. > :22:58.like the Eve Appeal and like so many others, including domestic violence

:22:59. > :23:02.and rape centres continue to be funded and I'll be working with the

:23:03. > :23:04.organisations and hopefully with the Government to ensure they don't miss

:23:05. > :23:09.out as a result of this tax being scrapped.

:23:10. > :23:13.Athena, put your thoughts directly to Paula in terms of what you think

:23:14. > :23:16.might be a helpful way to go forward tone sure charities like yours don't

:23:17. > :23:21.lose out? I think that's absolutely right. The issues need to be pushed

:23:22. > :23:25.much further up the agenda. This is ovarian cancer awareness month and

:23:26. > :23:28.these cancers are not talked about enough. Generally, there are many

:23:29. > :23:33.women's health issues that aren't talked about enough and that are too

:23:34. > :23:36.stigmatised. What's been helpful about this tax has been actually to

:23:37. > :23:40.talk about periods, people don't talk about them and there is a huge

:23:41. > :23:50.set of health issues coming from those that need to be high up the

:23:51. > :23:54.agenda. Athena, you are hoping the Government might learn from this, do

:23:55. > :23:57.you have any suggestions of what might take its place? Money comes

:23:58. > :24:01.from many different pots and this's something that needs to be looked

:24:02. > :24:05.at. This is has felt very relevant to us. I think it's been more

:24:06. > :24:11.difficult when it's come to looking at the other issues that it's gone

:24:12. > :24:15.into, but for us, this has been a very straight line between tampon

:24:16. > :24:19.tax and gynaecology issues which has been great. I think that there are

:24:20. > :24:23.many pots of money that we could look at supporting some of the

:24:24. > :24:26.lesser known causes, issues et cetera and domestic violence being

:24:27. > :24:31.one of them. What do you think about all of this Laura because obviously

:24:32. > :24:37.the side effect has been a good one in that it could mean money drying

:24:38. > :24:40.up for charities? It's problematic in that I don't think women should

:24:41. > :24:44.have to pay for domestic abuse charities and I don't think using

:24:45. > :24:48.tampons should mean they have to fund amazing charities like yours

:24:49. > :24:51.and there shouldn't be this exact parallel. You guys should be

:24:52. > :24:55.supported, you are a great charity and there are tonnes of great

:24:56. > :24:59.charities, but I think there are probably better ways to come up with

:25:00. > :25:04.the money. I don't think they should be paid for by women necessarily.

:25:05. > :25:07.Paula, any thoughts specifically on where the money could be found?

:25:08. > :25:12.We'll have to look at that, but clearly that is something that the

:25:13. > :25:18.Chancellor needs to look at, maybe from Google perhaps. Absolutely, I'm

:25:19. > :25:25.fully behind the charities, they do amazing work and part of the reason

:25:26. > :25:28.I got involved in this campaign last year was around destigmatising some

:25:29. > :25:32.of the issues around women's health. I'm in the process of setting up an

:25:33. > :25:37.all-party group on women's health, that's not just to look at

:25:38. > :25:42.gynaecology issues but looking at why they have a poorer prognosis for

:25:43. > :25:46.heart attacks and strokes, so my work's just starting here and I've

:25:47. > :25:50.been delighted that I've been able to use my position as an MP as a

:25:51. > :25:55.vehicle to look at this legislative chaink. Why do you think it took so

:25:56. > :26:00.long? There's been a variety of reasons. But I was determined that

:26:01. > :26:05.there was no way I was going to leave this and I just pressed it all

:26:06. > :26:10.the time. I think ultimately, the Government came under pressure from

:26:11. > :26:15.the public. People power is very powerful these days, more so than

:26:16. > :26:20.ever before so incredibly proud that I was the MP at the forefront of

:26:21. > :26:26.this campaign. But it was people like Laura who inspirit spaed -- who

:26:27. > :26:32.inspired me to get involved. I haven't met her yet, I can't wait to

:26:33. > :26:37.meet her. I'm incredibly proud to work with these charities who do the

:26:38. > :26:42.most wonderful valuable work. Wonderful to bring you together

:26:43. > :26:45.virtually on the programme. Beryl on e-mail says; this money-grabbing tax

:26:46. > :26:48.shouldn't have been applied by the meddling EU in the first place. It's

:26:49. > :26:53.demeaning for women to have been singled out. Now to have to fight

:26:54. > :27:01.for the right to have it removed from what is a basic hygiene item,

:27:02. > :27:07.shame on the EU. You can't have it both ways, it's

:27:08. > :27:11.unreasonable and greedy in a country already under financial pressure. Is

:27:12. > :27:18.that it in terms of campaigning for you now or do you have your sights

:27:19. > :27:22.set on other things? I never planned to campaign for this, but there's

:27:23. > :27:28.one other thing I would like to add if that's OK. When you are asking

:27:29. > :27:32.why it's taken so long for this to happen, it's been great getting

:27:33. > :27:35.people together to campaign for this change for almost 40 years now. One

:27:36. > :27:38.of my friend's mums tells me when she was my age she was campaigning

:27:39. > :27:42.for this as well so there are tonnes of people that want this change but

:27:43. > :27:46.for people to be able to come together on one single petition and

:27:47. > :27:49.we have 300,000 signatures now, I want to say a huge thank you to

:27:50. > :27:57.everyone who's come together and helped this change happen and push

:27:58. > :28:03.this through. If the money is not found, will

:28:04. > :28:10.there be an element of - I mean you said it's the right thing the tax

:28:11. > :28:14.goes - but if it means the charities are not funded, what do you think

:28:15. > :28:20.downing? Yes need to look at other ways of finding the money. The

:28:21. > :28:23.advantage of the tampon tax, it's enabled small charities to scale up

:28:24. > :28:26.activities and that's what we need to fight for. Ladies, thank you very

:28:27. > :28:30.Coming up: what you think at home.

:28:31. > :28:33.We'll hear from a woman who says a project funded by Sport Relief

:28:34. > :28:38.saved her life when motherhood left her feeling suicidal.

:28:39. > :28:42.In 2014, Ellie Clare was with two other friends in a car being driven

:28:43. > :28:49.The car left the road and hit a tree nearby.

:28:50. > :28:52.Ellie, aged 19, and her 21-year-old friend George were killed

:28:53. > :28:56.The other two in the car, including Jasmine who was

:28:57. > :29:02.She was found guilty on two counts of causing death by careless driving

:29:03. > :29:09.But after just 15 weeks in jail, she requested permission to leave.

:29:10. > :29:12.The families of those she killed were furious and began a campaign

:29:13. > :29:19.When people are sentenced to jail, it doesn't mean they spend

:29:20. > :29:23.If the sentence is for 12 months or more, the person usually spends

:29:24. > :29:26.the first half of the sentence in prison and the second half

:29:27. > :29:32.If they break the conditions of the licence - which could mean

:29:33. > :29:34.not adhering to a curfew or committing another crime -

:29:35. > :29:39.For prison sentences under 12 months, the person's normally

:29:40. > :29:41.released automatically halfway through.

:29:42. > :29:45.In this case, Jasmine Larder was sentenced to 15 months,

:29:46. > :29:47.but applied for an early release after nearly four months.

:29:48. > :29:50.Simon Clare, who's daughter Ellie was killed in the accident -

:29:51. > :30:06.I know that just before the sentencing was handed down in court

:30:07. > :30:12.you addressed the court and spoke about the impact of the crash. On

:30:13. > :30:16.your family. You said, saying that it is every parent's nightmare to

:30:17. > :30:22.lose their child is the most underrated statement in humanity.

:30:23. > :30:34.Correct. What else did you say? That... To go through the process of

:30:35. > :30:43.the courts was very stressful. The system doesn't help you. You are led

:30:44. > :30:52.down a path which turns out to be very different in reality. I lost my

:30:53. > :30:58.daughter. And the person was sentenced to 15 months, which was a

:30:59. > :31:04.hard blow to take at the time. Because I valued her life at seven

:31:05. > :31:09.and a half months. Only to find out after leaving court that it would

:31:10. > :31:15.probably only going to be half that. And then shortly after, she went to

:31:16. > :31:22.prison, we were told that it would only be 15 weeks. Which again seven

:31:23. > :31:31.and a half weeks for each life. That is very hard. And I just don't think

:31:32. > :31:37.people understand the process that happens. And having sat in court,

:31:38. > :31:44.gone through the trial, verdict given, you then go to sentencing,

:31:45. > :31:55.which was never going to be enough, but to then be told that... The

:31:56. > :31:58.probation service, it's down to the prison governor and she was probably

:31:59. > :32:03.going to be released. How did you find out that she was probably going

:32:04. > :32:10.to be released after 15 weeks? The probation service sent us a letter,

:32:11. > :32:15.as a matter of fact would we like to meet to discuss possible items on

:32:16. > :32:18.her release. There was no this is going to happen, it was just a

:32:19. > :32:25.letter, would you like to contact us? Obviously, having just dealt

:32:26. > :32:29.with the court and the sentencing, we decided yes, we would see what

:32:30. > :32:34.they had to say. There was no question at that point we were told

:32:35. > :32:40.that it looks as though she will be relessed after 15 weeks and there is

:32:41. > :32:45.not a lot you can do about that. Would you like to set exclusion

:32:46. > :32:51.zones and we can put them forward to see the if they would be agreed. We

:32:52. > :32:57.asked what happen if she breaks these, they said she would be

:32:58. > :33:05.arrested, sent back in, slapped on the hand and sent back out. 15 weeks

:33:06. > :33:08.was totally unacceptable. No one knew anything about this. I even

:33:09. > :33:15.spoke to the police and several people about it. Everyone was

:33:16. > :33:21.absolutely shell-shocked that this could even happen. You had been told

:33:22. > :33:26.there was little you could do. But you did do something. We had to

:33:27. > :33:32.accept this, this is was going to happen. The family got together. My

:33:33. > :33:40.mother in law wrote to the Prime Minister's office. Andrea, George's

:33:41. > :33:45.mother, wrote letters to the Ministry of Justice, which were told

:33:46. > :33:51.only to be told that was the wrong department to send it to. I

:33:52. > :33:57.contacted the press. We spoke to our local vicar and got as many people

:33:58. > :34:06.as we could to see what we could do. And the press helped us. And they

:34:07. > :34:10.turned around and spoke to the justice department and they would

:34:11. > :34:15.give us an answer and then at the 11th hour they have decided they

:34:16. > :34:22.would forget the tag system and she could stay in. How do you feel

:34:23. > :34:28.having had to fight to get the person responsible for the death of

:34:29. > :34:32.your daughter to remain behind bars for longer than such a short

:34:33. > :34:42.proportion of the sentence she was given? Unbelievable really, because

:34:43. > :34:47.we live in a society that relies on justice and you go to these

:34:48. > :34:53.processes, she was found guilty, you expect things to be as they say. And

:34:54. > :35:01.to then be told, that is not how it is, you have got to accept it, was a

:35:02. > :35:05.severe body, it is bad enough losing your daughter without having to

:35:06. > :35:11.every day come back, or every week and then there is something else

:35:12. > :35:17.happened and you're finding out second hand at times I was telling

:35:18. > :35:25.the police what was happening. They were not aware. It was just not...

:35:26. > :35:30.It is hard to struggle with coping. Some days you have a good day, you

:35:31. > :35:33.come home and it's all fallen apart, because someone's sat in an office

:35:34. > :35:40.and decided they're not elected, they have just decided that they're

:35:41. > :35:56.not a judge, we will let her out. How do you cope with that? I am

:35:57. > :36:04.doing it for my Ellie and George and for people, this is no at is not the

:36:05. > :36:08.first accident and it won't the last. I'm fighting for the average

:36:09. > :36:12.person to be aware that these judges hand down these sentences, this is

:36:13. > :36:17.not what is going to happen. You only find out when you're in the

:36:18. > :36:22.middle of it and you basically are given not a lot of time to even take

:36:23. > :36:27.it in. Let alone think I need to fight this. And it can get you down

:36:28. > :36:33.and you think, do I carry on, do I accept the situation, can I take any

:36:34. > :36:43.more. And I'm the one who has lost a daughter. So yeah, it's hard. How do

:36:44. > :36:53.you regard the time served in jail, do you see it as redemption,

:36:54. > :37:00.retribution? We all... We drive vehicles, we all have to take

:37:01. > :37:06.responsibility, from the bus drive to anyone. If you... Are not driving

:37:07. > :37:10.correctly, you have to take responsibility. That is it. If you

:37:11. > :37:14.steal you take responsibility. It is the same, you then go to court and

:37:15. > :37:19.you're found guilty by your peers. You then should serve the sentence.

:37:20. > :37:25.And that is not someone else decide what happens. It should be... It

:37:26. > :37:33.should be that. It I was as simple. And I understand why it is these

:37:34. > :37:39.people decide that it isn't. No sentence would bring back Ellie,

:37:40. > :37:50.that would never make any difference obviously. Is somebody saying sorry

:37:51. > :38:00.almost as important? Remorse, yes. Yes. Remorse helps. Without remorse,

:38:01. > :38:06.it's... What are you? We all do things, we all go around this

:38:07. > :38:16.world... You carry on regardless of anyone else's feelings and what's

:38:17. > :38:20.happened. Then yeah, it... You reap what you sow basically. There is no

:38:21. > :38:29.remorse. I have not seen any remorse. No one's turned around and

:38:30. > :38:38.said to me, oh, I'm sorry, or that point... Yes, that does help. It

:38:39. > :38:42.shows you are... You have taken on board what's happened, or you can

:38:43. > :38:50.just disregard it and carry on and who are you to question me? Jan on

:38:51. > :38:54.text said it is disgusting, where is the justice for this family, having

:38:55. > :39:02.to go through this and be in mourning. John said it must have

:39:03. > :39:07.cost a fortune to go to court and then get this pitiful sentence. This

:39:08. > :39:11.must change. Jasmine is now appealing against the sentence, the

:39:12. > :39:17.15 months any way. What is the process now with that? You're still

:39:18. > :39:21.going through a process? The process, it went to, she... Asked

:39:22. > :39:27.for her mission against the sentence and verdict. That went to a single

:39:28. > :39:31.judge. The single judge refused permission to appeal on the verdict.

:39:32. > :39:39.He granted permission to appeal on the sentence. That was... About two

:39:40. > :39:47.weeks ago. We were told it would be at the Crown Court in London. In

:39:48. > :39:53.London. The... We were told it could be fairly imminent, within 14 days

:39:54. > :39:59.and it could go to three judges and she could be out tomorrow. Even

:40:00. > :40:04.though we have gone and engaged in stopping this tag system, which she

:40:05. > :40:11.could be let out, then tomorrow... Monday, Tuesday next week, the three

:40:12. > :40:15.judges could say she has served enough let's her out and there would

:40:16. > :40:18.be no tag, no restrictions or nothing on her. We appreciate you

:40:19. > :40:26.Coming up: coming in. Thank you. Thank you.

:40:27. > :40:28.People with autism are more likely to die early -

:40:29. > :40:30.either from conditions like epilsepy or from suicide.

:40:31. > :40:34.We'll find out what more can be done to support them and their families.

:40:35. > :40:48.First the weather. This time of year the weather can do almost anything.

:40:49. > :40:53.It depends on whether the cloud breaks up or whether we see the

:40:54. > :40:59.sunshine. Yesterday was the warmest day of the year so far. We did see

:41:00. > :41:07.the cloud breaking up, is sunshine fairly strong and temperatures up to

:41:08. > :41:16.19 degree. But it feels different when the cloud sticks around. A huge

:41:17. > :41:22.contrast in temperatures. In Aberdeen around eight degrees. Be I

:41:23. > :41:31.in Braemar we saw the warmest day of year with temperatures up to 18.7.

:41:32. > :41:36.So the temperatures are dependent on where we see the breaks in the cloud

:41:37. > :41:40.and the days are getting longer. If we look at one weather watcher

:41:41. > :41:45.picture, thichs was the scene -- - this was the scene in Aberdeenshire.

:41:46. > :41:49.You can see the blue skies and sunshine. Contrast that to a picture

:41:50. > :41:57.this morning from Staffordshire. You can see the mist and fog. We have

:41:58. > :42:02.had similar pictures sent in. It has been a murky, misty start. But

:42:03. > :42:07.things will brighten up. High pressure still in charge of the

:42:08. > :42:10.weather. Things are not changing much day-to-day. We have more cloud

:42:11. > :42:16.today than yesterday. Particularly for eastern areas. And that cloud

:42:17. > :42:22.bringing a few spots of light rain. But for most places things are dry.

:42:23. > :42:27.It is in the west that we will see the lion's share of the sunshine. 3

:42:28. > :42:30.o'clock in the afternoon, sunny in western Scotland and much of

:42:31. > :42:37.Northern Ireland and Cumbria. To the east of the Pennines the cloud will

:42:38. > :42:43.stick around. Grey with hill fog in the east. In Wales and Devon and

:42:44. > :42:48.Cornwall things are dry and it will feel warm. If you're stuck under the

:42:49. > :42:53.cloud in central and eastern parts of England, temperatures no better

:42:54. > :42:59.than six to nine degrees. Stays cloudy for most of us tonight. The

:43:00. > :43:09.cloud work further west and it will bring some light rain. For most

:43:10. > :43:13.mrafss mrachss it is -- places it is dry. So high pressure stays us with

:43:14. > :43:21.through Saturday and another largely dry day. A few spots of drizzle for

:43:22. > :43:24.central and eastern parts of England. The west of sunshine in

:43:25. > :43:27.western Scotland, Northern Ireland and the north-west of England.

:43:28. > :43:32.Temperatures around seven to nine degrees. So cool under the cloud.

:43:33. > :43:37.And of course the Six Nations is drawing to a close and Saturday's

:43:38. > :43:45.games look cloudy. In Cardiff, Dublin and Paris too and cool and we

:43:46. > :43:48.could see some brightness at times. High pressure stays around for the

:43:49. > :43:51.weekend. No great changes on Saturday and into Sunday. Sunday

:43:52. > :43:59.looks like a similar day, once again. We have still got light winds

:44:00. > :44:06.and dry. But a fair amount of cloud on Sunday. More of a breeze in the

:44:07. > :44:10.far north. Where we see the brightness just about into double

:44:11. > :44:17.figures. But for most seven to nine degrees. And no great change into

:44:18. > :44:19.the new week. So for Monday into Tuesday, largely dry, Farley cloudy

:44:20. > :44:29.and cool. Hello I'm Joanna Gosling

:44:30. > :44:31.in for Victoria. Welcome to the programme

:44:32. > :44:34.if you've just joined us. As the government continue

:44:35. > :44:36.to consult of proposals to restrict some benefits paid to people

:44:37. > :44:39.with disabilities, we'll ask if a revolt by Tory backbenchers can

:44:40. > :44:42.cause a rethink from the Chancellor. Hundreds of millions of pounds have

:44:43. > :44:45.been raised by BBC Sport Relief, for worthy causes here

:44:46. > :44:48.and across the world since it began We'll hear from a woman

:44:49. > :44:51.who was helped by Sport Relief, when motherhood left

:44:52. > :44:58.her feeling suicidal. We'll discuss the ongoing

:44:59. > :45:01.controversy surrounding Madonna after the singer was labelled

:45:02. > :45:03.'breathtakingly arrogant' for turning up to a concert

:45:04. > :45:06.in Brisbane over two hours late. Some fans who had paid over ?150

:45:07. > :45:12.a ticket walked out. EU leaders agree a controversial

:45:13. > :45:18.plan to put to Turkey on tackling But it seems to have been watered

:45:19. > :45:22.down on concessions of visa-free Key talks with the Turkish Prime

:45:23. > :45:37.Minister are continuing Today we'll continue our

:45:38. > :45:43.consultations with my colleagues, with the European leaders together.

:45:44. > :45:53.I am sure, I hope, that we will be achieving our goal to help all the

:45:54. > :45:56.refugees, as well as to look at EU Turkish relations which will be good

:45:57. > :45:59.news for the continent and humanity all together.

:46:00. > :46:01.The government's plans on disability payments seem to be dipping

:46:02. > :46:06.There are mixed messages from the government over its plans

:46:07. > :46:11.Last night Education Secretary Nicky Morgan said they were still under

:46:12. > :46:13.consultation and that's led some to think they could be changed,

:46:14. > :46:15.to avert a possible Tory backbench revolt.

:46:16. > :46:18.But now the BBC's been told that that Ms Morgan 'doesn't seem

:46:19. > :46:20.to understand' the proposals and a source insists the government

:46:21. > :46:29.is NOT in what's being called 'concession territory'.

:46:30. > :46:35.British officials say David Cameron's achieved the support of

:46:36. > :46:39.other EU leaders to scrap the VAT on sanitary product. Brussels will

:46:40. > :46:44.publish proposals next week. A campaigner welcomed the news.

:46:45. > :46:48.I didn't necessarily think it was a bad thing to begin with because I

:46:49. > :46:53.always thought things in context maybe it makes sense, maybe it has

:46:54. > :46:58.to make sense for it to exist. Then I started looking into what was

:46:59. > :47:02.taxed and what wasn't taxed. I looked at private jets, they were

:47:03. > :47:04.not taxed, jaffa cakes were not taxed and then I thought, something

:47:05. > :47:07.has to be done. An 18-year-old man has been

:47:08. > :47:09.shot dead in Birmingham. The teenager was found lying

:47:10. > :47:12.in a street in the Ladywood area Police have begun a murder inquiry

:47:13. > :47:17.and are appealing for witnesses. An electrician has died

:47:18. > :47:20.after falling 53 stories from a construction

:47:21. > :47:22.site in Los Angeles. It was reportedly only the man's

:47:23. > :47:25.second day working on the project which will be the tallest

:47:26. > :47:28.building in the West Coast And Britain's tallest mountain

:47:29. > :47:32.is a little bit bigger The Ordnance Survey has re-measured

:47:33. > :47:39.the Scottish peak and its official height is now 1,345 metres that's

:47:40. > :47:43.a metre taller than before. We will start at the Cheltenham

:47:44. > :47:49.Festival where it's Gold Cup day, and after that famous race at 4.10,

:47:50. > :47:54.Britain's double Olympic cycling champion Victoria Pendleton

:47:55. > :47:59.will ride 16-1 shot Pacha Du Polder This time last year she hadn't

:48:00. > :48:03.even sat on a horse, today she races on the biggest day

:48:04. > :48:06.of the jumps season. Let's go live to the course

:48:07. > :48:22.in Gloucestershire and say good Good morning, Will. The stands

:48:23. > :48:25.behind me will be full later. We only have one spectator, a gentleman

:48:26. > :48:29.having a brief morning nap behind me but more people will be here later,

:48:30. > :48:33.I promise you. You can see how misty and cold it is. Very different

:48:34. > :48:37.conditions to yesterday when we had a beautiful St Patrick's Day

:48:38. > :48:41.afternoon. There are two big talking points today, the Gold Cup and

:48:42. > :48:47.Victoria Pendleton's transition from cyclist to jockey. She goes at 4.

:48:48. > :48:54.10. She's had a jockey career with various mishaps to date but she did

:48:55. > :49:00.win in Wincanton last time out. AP McCoy on BBC Breakfast earlier said

:49:01. > :49:04.he felt she'd get round the course absolutely fine but he said he felt

:49:05. > :49:08.the horse may not have the stamina. There is questions as to whether she

:49:09. > :49:14.should be riding at all. Some saying it's add even Channel 4ous and bold

:49:15. > :49:19.and some others saying it's reckless and puts other jockeys in danger.

:49:20. > :49:22.I've always been underestimated, you know, too small, not mentally tough

:49:23. > :49:35.enough to be a champion what what what, so it's not unusual to hear

:49:36. > :49:39.the negative comments -- blah, blah. I believe that I'm capably to go

:49:40. > :49:42.forward and I'm going to give it my best shot.

:49:43. > :49:49.but at Cheltenham the focus is on the Gold Cup, of course;

:49:50. > :50:02.The locals are hoping that Cue Card will be victorious. He's the

:50:03. > :50:06.favourite trained by Colin Tizzard. He's regarded as one of the big boys

:50:07. > :50:10.of racing training now. He found he was struggling to breathe after

:50:11. > :50:13.racing last April, so had an operation and has come back and

:50:14. > :50:17.looks strong and he's very well backed here. If he's going to win,

:50:18. > :50:23.he's going to take on the make of the Irish, he won six out of seven

:50:24. > :50:29.races yesterday. That combination of trainer Willie Mullins and jockey

:50:30. > :50:35.Ruby Walsh has been success. This week but he's fallen twice. Another

:50:36. > :50:42.Mullins horse in the running and Dons can sack train bid Gordon

:50:43. > :50:45.Elliott's already beaten Jackadam. We hope it will be a little warmer

:50:46. > :50:54.here when action gets under way. Hello, thank you for joining us this

:50:55. > :50:57.morning, welcome to the programme We're on BBC 2 and the BBC

:50:58. > :51:02.News Channel until 11 this morning. You can get in touch in the usual

:51:03. > :51:05.ways; use the hashtag Victoria Live. If you text, you will be charged

:51:06. > :51:08.at the standard network rate. Wherever you are you can

:51:09. > :51:10.watch our programme online via the bbc news app

:51:11. > :51:21.or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. Lots getting in touch about the

:51:22. > :51:26.migrant crisis. One saying good on Australia, let's get our own country

:51:27. > :51:32.back, good on Australia. How can the country take any migrants when we

:51:33. > :51:36.can't afford to pay disability people. Chuck on Twitter says, great

:51:37. > :51:44.to see the Australians dog what we should be doing, good on them. On

:51:45. > :51:48.tampon tax, how could it have been taxed in the first place. Another

:51:49. > :51:51.person's texted to say if the tampon tax is revoked, what stops the

:51:52. > :51:55.companies increasing the prices to increase the profits? Vicky on

:51:56. > :52:02.e-mail says, I remember when at boarding school in the late '40s, a

:52:03. > :52:06.group of us wrote to the Chancellor about this. Only around 70 years for

:52:07. > :52:12.this change, is this progress or more vocal women? Wherever you are,

:52:13. > :52:15.you can watch the programme on the news app or the website. Thank you

:52:16. > :52:19.very much for all of your comments so far, keep them coming in.

:52:20. > :52:22.Is the EU finally at the point of reaching an agreement with Turkey

:52:23. > :52:25.on how to stop the influx of hundreds of thousands of migrants

:52:26. > :52:27.making that perilous journey over the sea to Greece?

:52:28. > :52:29.The Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is now locked in talks

:52:30. > :52:36.They have already agreed between themselves on a joint

:52:37. > :52:39.position to put to the Turks - and on his arrival first thing this

:52:40. > :52:41.morning Mr Davutoglu said he was hopeful

:52:42. > :52:47.But it seems as though the offer to Turkey has been watered down.

:52:48. > :52:49.Let's take a look at the details of the deal -

:52:50. > :54:31.and what countries have committed to do to help already.

:54:32. > :54:34.Peter Sutherland is the UN Special Representative

:54:35. > :54:36.of the Secretary-General for International Migration -

:54:37. > :54:39.he's very pro-relaxing borders and thinks the leaders

:54:40. > :54:42.at the meeting should do more to help refugees from Syria

:54:43. > :54:49.He's in our Edinburgh studio for us now.

:54:50. > :54:55.What is your view of this deal with Turkey? Well, from what I've heard

:54:56. > :55:05.and read, we are some distance from a deal. There remain political and

:55:06. > :55:10.economical issues outstanding. Whether there'll be a deal remains

:55:11. > :55:15.unclear. Let me make a preliminary point, the overriding, preliminary

:55:16. > :55:18.issue, has to be the welfare of desperate people who're migrants,

:55:19. > :55:22.refugees overwhelmingly. The fact that this discussion and the

:55:23. > :55:30.discussion in Brussels seems to be focussed on how to keep them out is

:55:31. > :55:33.an indictment of society, rather than the absolute, our

:55:34. > :55:37.responsibility here has to be to help desperate people and not to

:55:38. > :55:41.spend all our time solely talking about how we can unload

:55:42. > :55:46.responsibility from one country to another.

:55:47. > :55:55.So what would you say then on the numbers who should be able to come?

:55:56. > :56:01.I say that, if Europe were properly organised, a continent of over 500

:56:02. > :56:05.million, the wealthiest continent in the universe, taking one million

:56:06. > :56:10.migrants fairly shared, which they are not at present, is not something

:56:11. > :56:14.which should be a disastrous challenge, it's something that

:56:15. > :56:21.should be easily handled. Germany alone took over a million last year.

:56:22. > :56:24.If everybody shared that responsibility, as suggested in fact

:56:25. > :56:29.by the European Commission, the problem that we have today at least

:56:30. > :56:34.could be addressed. The current disarray is the result of the fact

:56:35. > :56:37.that there is not a coherence between the different EU states.

:56:38. > :56:41.What about the logistical reality though of dealing with large numbers

:56:42. > :56:45.of migrants in terms of housing, schools, Health Services and

:56:46. > :56:48.everything else that comes into play?

:56:49. > :56:53.It's an appallingly difficult problem, I accept, but if you take

:56:54. > :56:59.it in microcosm, let's take the Calais example which is now longer

:57:00. > :57:04.the same as it was -- no longer the same as it was, we had 5,000 people

:57:05. > :57:08.for month after month in dreadful sanitary conditions. If they'd been

:57:09. > :57:21.properly handled at a European level, let alone a French level, it

:57:22. > :57:24.would be easy to provide for them. The reality is that migrants can

:57:25. > :57:29.generally be a positive rather than a negative. I don't deny there is a

:57:30. > :57:34.huge challenge and huge mittical backlash, that's clear. What do you

:57:35. > :57:37.think about the Australian example, a very clear message from Australia

:57:38. > :57:42.to people travel thering without a visa to stay out, they'll not be

:57:43. > :57:46.allowed to legally settle if that is the option they decide to go down in

:57:47. > :57:50.terms of trying to get into Australia. It has been criticised

:57:51. > :57:55.but it's very popular? Of course it's very popular and the tweets

:57:56. > :57:58.that you referred to earlier on this programme indicate the sort of

:57:59. > :58:04.responses you're getting from public opinion. Keep this place for

:58:05. > :58:07.ourselves alone - I don't accept that argument. We live in a

:58:08. > :58:12.globalised world where we have responsibility which we have to

:58:13. > :58:20.share and in particular the world in 1951 after the Second World War took

:58:21. > :58:23.on the responsibility of a looking after refugees and we should live up

:58:24. > :58:28.to that moral responsibility. Thank you very much for joining us.

:58:29. > :58:33.Let's go to our Europe correspondent Rob Watson in Brussels.

:58:34. > :58:41.What are the prospects looking like for this deal being finalised?

:58:42. > :58:45.They are not done yet but I think we know the outline of the deal and I

:58:46. > :58:48.guess it would be described as a grand bargain between the European

:58:49. > :58:52.Union and Turkey along the following lines that Turkey does more to

:58:53. > :58:56.discourage people, migrants from making the journey to the European

:58:57. > :59:00.Union and Greece in particular in the first place but also takes back

:59:01. > :59:03.people who embark on that journey and that in return, the European

:59:04. > :59:07.Union would give Turkey more financial assistance and indeed that

:59:08. > :59:12.it would actually house some Syrian refugees in Europe but that it would

:59:13. > :59:17.also make wider concessions about Ankara's broader relationship with

:59:18. > :59:21.the European Union. But, as you can imagine, these are immensely

:59:22. > :59:26.complicated issues, both in terms of the practicalities, the legalities

:59:27. > :59:30.of the deal, the idea of turning refugees, putting migrants and

:59:31. > :59:34.refugees back to Turkey but also of course the politics of the

:59:35. > :59:39.relationship between many EU state members and Turkey. In terms of

:59:40. > :59:44.numbers, if it's one in one out, what difference will this deal make?

:59:45. > :59:47.Well, look, I think it's important to remember what is the thrust

:59:48. > :59:51.behind this deal and it's very much the opposite of what Peter was

:59:52. > :59:55.talking about in Edinburgh. Whether one agrees with them or not, what

:59:56. > :59:58.the European Union wants to do is to end what it sees as the sort of

:59:59. > :00:03.chaotic way in which migrants are making their way to Europe and so

:00:04. > :00:08.the whole idea of this is deterrent. That's what this deal is about,

:00:09. > :00:12.trying to persuade migrants in Turkey, look, don't make the deal

:00:13. > :00:17.because you are not going to get selledled in Europe, you are going

:00:18. > :00:20.to get turned back and may go to the back of the queue. It seems to me

:00:21. > :00:25.the real test if agreement is reached between Turkey and the

:00:26. > :00:29.European Union Joanna will be, well will people think that's credible,

:00:30. > :00:33.be it actually happen, if you set out towards Greece, will you be

:00:34. > :00:37.processed quickly and sent to Turkey, will that really happen? On

:00:38. > :00:41.that issue of how quickly will people be processed, will more

:00:42. > :00:47.resources be put in? How workable would this plan be on the ground?

:00:48. > :00:51.That's exactly what officials in the European Commission were looking at

:00:52. > :00:54.and officials in Turkey, the kind of assistance they would need from the

:00:55. > :00:59.rest of Europe because absolutely, you think about this, and think

:01:00. > :01:02.about say from January to now, 136,000 people approximately have

:01:03. > :01:10.made their way from Turkey to Greece. The idea of having those

:01:11. > :01:13.people makes sure you abide by the current humanitarian law before

:01:14. > :01:16.putting them into boats or whatever means of transport back to Turkey.

:01:17. > :01:29.Clearly, this is a big, big project. Autistica, Still to come, mad Donna

:01:30. > :01:32.has been keeping some Australia fans waiting for hours before going on

:01:33. > :01:36.stage. They're not happy. We will have the details.

:01:37. > :01:38.Now, are the Government's plans on disability payments

:01:39. > :01:42.George Osborne's outlined proposals in the Budget to tighten up

:01:43. > :01:44.what are called PIP payments, that help people with extra needs

:01:45. > :01:49.But yesterday, there was talk of Conservative backbench protests,

:01:50. > :01:50.and then Nicky Morgan the Education Secretary,

:01:51. > :02:05.I think we want there to be control of the welfare budget, we made clear

:02:06. > :02:10.we are not going to balance the books on the back of most vulnerable

:02:11. > :02:17.and the disable and we hold to that promise. We have to finish the

:02:18. > :02:25.consultation with MPs, but also with disability groups and others, before

:02:26. > :02:32.we bring any legislation forward. With we can speak to Phil Reynolds.

:02:33. > :02:39.What is your reaction to what was announced? We are disappointed with

:02:40. > :02:45.the decision to cut PIP for people with Parkinson's. It is rigging the

:02:46. > :02:51.game against people with Parkinson's by harming people who rely on aids

:02:52. > :03:00.and applyianses to do things like we take for granted like wash

:03:01. > :03:04.themselves. Parkinson's is a degenerative disease and this will

:03:05. > :03:10.be devastating. Explain the difference that, how the system

:03:11. > :03:17.works and how much money somebody would get, obviously it varies on a

:03:18. > :03:23.case to case basis, but a typical example of the support people would

:03:24. > :03:28.get. The system is designed to help a person manage the extra costs

:03:29. > :03:32.faced by their disability and improve their independence. You you

:03:33. > :03:40.are asked questions about whether you can undertake what they call

:03:41. > :03:45.daily living activities like washing and dressing, going to toilet,

:03:46. > :03:49.cooking a meal and these activities, you're awarded points on the level

:03:50. > :03:53.of difficulty you have. The government is planning to make some

:03:54. > :03:57.of the points less valuable for people who rely on aids to do things

:03:58. > :04:07.like go to the toilet and to dress themselves. We think this is a huge

:04:08. > :04:13.backward step. PIP would award people Tatlowest level is ?150 a

:04:14. > :04:18.week if carers are able to qualify for the benefit through their

:04:19. > :04:25.connection with them. It could a huge impact on people with

:04:26. > :04:30.Parkinson's. Are there other safety nets, the Chancellor said actually

:04:31. > :04:34.an extra billion pounds is going into disability spending. Well that

:04:35. > :04:39.is up with thing, but remember these measures are going to take money out

:04:40. > :04:43.of the pockets of people with Parkinson's by cutting access to

:04:44. > :04:49.these vital sources of support to keep them independent. Last week the

:04:50. > :04:56.Government passed cuts to a benefit to replace your income hen you're

:04:57. > :05:05.too unwell to work and people will lose ?1,500 a year. It one thing to

:05:06. > :05:12.claim the budget is increasing but people are seeing support slashed

:05:13. > :05:19.away. On the question of safety nets are there others, would charities

:05:20. > :05:24.step in? Parkinson UK provides information and support to help

:05:25. > :05:27.people take control and manage their condition, but I don't think it is

:05:28. > :05:33.for the third sector to pick up holes in the government that has

:05:34. > :05:36.blown in its own disability budget. People have paid into the system

:05:37. > :05:43.through national insurance and they have a right to expect the support

:05:44. > :05:46.will be there. Thank you. Now let's go to our political correspondent.

:05:47. > :05:52.Is it clear what is happening with this system? The short answer to

:05:53. > :05:57.your question is no. We are going to have a briefing from the Prime

:05:58. > :06:01.Minister's official spokesman in the next 40 minutes. That should be

:06:02. > :06:05.enlightening to see if they're changing tack from yesterday. The

:06:06. > :06:10.Government yesterday was of the view that what it had set out last week

:06:11. > :06:15.and in the Budget was where it was going to go, a change in the formula

:06:16. > :06:20.for the Personal Independence Payment that would make it less

:06:21. > :06:26.generous, but it was at its current level paying people for ongoing

:06:27. > :06:33.costs associated with the disability that the government argued were not

:06:34. > :06:38.there in every instance. So then we had Nicky Morgan sounding very, very

:06:39. > :06:43.equivocal, suggesting the whole thing was a suggestion, but it was a

:06:44. > :06:48.lot more than that when it was published by the department of work

:06:49. > :06:54.and pensions, they said they had decided they were going to change.

:06:55. > :06:59.Now the department say they feel that Nicky Morgan was free lancing a

:07:00. > :07:05.bit and not articulating what Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions

:07:06. > :07:09.Secretary, has been saying. Enter into the fray the leader of

:07:10. > :07:18.opposition, Jeremy Corbyn. Here what is he said. The government is taking

:07:19. > :07:23.1.2 billion from Personal Independence Payments, 6.4 billion

:07:24. > :07:26.over the lifetime of the Parliament. The government's language has

:07:27. > :07:30.changed from will do, so they're consulting. We are going to force a

:07:31. > :07:39.vote and we are launching a petition, what the Chancellor is

:07:40. > :07:43.doing is demanding those who disabilities who want to live an

:07:44. > :07:49.independent life pay for his tax cuts. For the changes to happen,

:07:50. > :07:54.legislation has to pass through the House of Commons and I'm told it

:07:55. > :07:58.will have to pass through both houses, the Commons and the Lords.

:07:59. > :08:04.The Conservatives have a working majority of 17 in the House of

:08:05. > :08:11.Commons. You only need a moderately filled minibus of Tory rebels for

:08:12. > :08:16.the government to be defeated. And you look at the House of Lords where

:08:17. > :08:20.the Conservatives don't have a majority and you remember the grief

:08:21. > :08:23.they got over the changes to tax credits in the autumn. There is a

:08:24. > :08:31.big political and economic question here. The economics of this from the

:08:32. > :08:35.Treasury's point of view is if there is an about turn it leaves them with

:08:36. > :08:38.a bill to pay, because it would move more expensive and the politics of

:08:39. > :08:42.this is that George Osborne wants to be Prime Minister and he is not in

:08:43. > :08:46.the business if he can help it of irritating too many of his

:08:47. > :08:52.colleagues or Conservative activists, let alone the electorate.

:08:53. > :08:57.So a huge amount at stake for those receive the benefits and to George

:08:58. > :09:03.Osborne. How would you gauge the potential scale of any political

:09:04. > :09:10.rebellion on, among the Conservatives? It is difficult to

:09:11. > :09:14.judge. The word of choice that a few are using is scoring, that is

:09:15. > :09:20.helpfully useless and doesn't give you a sense of the numbers. But

:09:21. > :09:28.given the size of the government's majority, not a lot, they don't need

:09:29. > :09:37.to be many, providing MPs from the other party oppose the changes. That

:09:38. > :09:41.looks likely. But in essence you don't need many to make a noise for

:09:42. > :09:49.it to be awkward for the government. Not least because if they're noisy

:09:50. > :09:53.and angry publicly that could attempt the Government to make a

:09:54. > :10:00.change before you get near a Commons defeat. Thank you. Do let us know

:10:01. > :10:04.your thoughts on that. A lot of you getting in touch on the interview

:10:05. > :10:08.with Simon about the death of his daughter in a car crash. The person

:10:09. > :10:13.responsible for the death of his daughter sentenced to 15 months in

:10:14. > :10:19.jail and was going to be let out after 15 weeks. He and others

:10:20. > :10:23.campaigned to change that. A lot of you getting in action. Karen said

:10:24. > :10:28.I'm a probation officer and the offender has been sentenced

:10:29. > :10:35.according to the law and will be released according to the law. She

:10:36. > :10:41.will get released come what may at the half way stage. Judges sentence

:10:42. > :10:50.according to guidelines. It is the governments that make the law not

:10:51. > :10:56.individual governors. One said, the need is to free up jail space and it

:10:57. > :11:02.is obvious to anyone with half a brain we need ten large new prisons.

:11:03. > :11:08.I'm sure David Cameron promised that before he was elected. An anonymous

:11:09. > :11:13.texter said was the person under the influence of alcohol or drugs, they

:11:14. > :11:22.should feel the wrath of the courts, otherwise if it was an accident they

:11:23. > :11:26.should deal with it accordingly. Ian, some people are missing the

:11:27. > :11:34.point, he is asking for justice not revenge. The system lets down

:11:35. > :11:38.victims. Thank you for those. Keep your thoughts coming in.

:11:39. > :11:41.A charity is warning of what it says is "an enormous hidden crisis"

:11:42. > :11:44.of people in the UK with autism, dying earlier than the rest

:11:45. > :11:47.Autistica, which wants more research into the problem,

:11:48. > :11:49.says people with the condition die on average

:11:50. > :11:51.16 years younger than those not affected by it.

:11:52. > :11:53.We can discuss this further now with our health correspondent,

:11:54. > :11:55.Jane Dreaper, and Ian Murray, whose 20-year-old son Patrick

:11:56. > :12:07.Thank you for coming in. Jane tell us about the report. The report

:12:08. > :12:12.lifts the lid on figures that are shocking and surprising to many

:12:13. > :12:17.people, even those with families of people with autism that they're

:12:18. > :12:23.dying on average 16 years younger, but it can be 30 years younger,

:12:24. > :12:32.before the age of 40. We don't understand the reason for this. One

:12:33. > :12:39.problem problem is autistic people are more likely to be epilepsy. It

:12:40. > :12:43.could be there is a more fundamental link between autism and epilepsy

:12:44. > :12:48.that we don't know about. The charity is putting the figures from

:12:49. > :12:52.a large study to say we need more understanding about the problem and

:12:53. > :12:57.highlighting how autistic people have less good levels of general

:12:58. > :13:01.physical good health. It is not something that has been put out

:13:02. > :13:05.there before. No the charity is aware this may come as a shock to

:13:06. > :13:10.families of people with autistic children or adults. They're aware of

:13:11. > :13:16.the need to phrase this sensitively. It may not surprise people, but its

:13:17. > :13:19.new data and it shows how, when you have the communication challenges

:13:20. > :13:25.that autistic people have it can be difficult to access the right health

:13:26. > :13:30.care, problems may not be picked up and people may have poor lifestyle

:13:31. > :13:35.or diets and could have more problems with things like heart

:13:36. > :13:41.disease and one factor that was talked about social isolation and

:13:42. > :13:51.bullying and people are perhaps living different lives. It is sad

:13:52. > :13:56.stuff. Ian, your son Patrick, he is autistic, how do you feel about the

:13:57. > :14:02.report? It didn't come as a shock. I have been aware that because of some

:14:03. > :14:06.of the health conditions Patrick has, especially with epilepsy, there

:14:07. > :14:11.was potential for that to limit his life. However it was a surprise to

:14:12. > :14:17.find that in Patrick's case potentially 30 years, which is quite

:14:18. > :14:24.horrendous. I think a lot of that in my opinion is down to how the

:14:25. > :14:34.autistic person is cared for and managed. I'm fortunate with Patrick

:14:35. > :14:42.that I have put a lot of effort into getting him into a phenomenal place

:14:43. > :14:46.called Pryer's Court, a 50 acre site and Patrick went there a couple of

:14:47. > :14:52.years ago and he is very happy and settled. What has reduced his stress

:14:53. > :15:02.levels dramatically. How does that, how you see that? There is a picture

:15:03. > :15:09.of him. How old is he there? He was just two, eating snow! He is about

:15:10. > :15:20.17 or 18 there. He had reached a point where life was very stressful.

:15:21. > :15:30.He is classically autistic. That actually is the majority of autistic

:15:31. > :15:33.people, although more often than not it is other cases. Explain that

:15:34. > :15:56.then? Other than repeating things back to

:15:57. > :16:00.you, he doesn't say much. He will only speak when he gets an immediate

:16:01. > :16:09.benefit or return from something, like if you say pizza to him, he'll

:16:10. > :16:13.say pizza. He uses a system which is absolutely intrinsic at the Court,

:16:14. > :16:17.everywhere you go... What is that? Little signs that are stuck to

:16:18. > :16:21.everything. You walk around the school and every door has a sign

:16:22. > :16:25.telling you what it is. Patrick's day starts with a plan and he's told

:16:26. > :16:33.within his schedule, which is a board with all the stickers on, what

:16:34. > :16:37.he is doing for that day. "Get dressed", "clean teeth". Everything

:16:38. > :16:41.is planned and structured to his day, that reduces his anxiety levels

:16:42. > :16:50.dramatically and this's resulted in help towards a reduction in his

:16:51. > :16:55.epilepsy. Patrick developed epilepsy, as is Common common with

:16:56. > :17:02.autistic people, they get it in adolescence. Patrick developed

:17:03. > :17:16.epilepsy then. A yearing he had five seizures back-to-back in an hour...

:17:17. > :17:21.That nearly killed him. It's all right. Let's talk to Jane a

:17:22. > :17:25.bit. What you are talking about there is what it was like and the

:17:26. > :17:30.difference obviously that having this amazing help that he's getting

:17:31. > :17:34.is making and I guess it's that sort of thing, Jane, that the hairty

:17:35. > :17:38.wants to be looked at, what can make a difference? Yes. When you talk to

:17:39. > :17:43.people like Ian, the fighting he's had to do on behalf of Patrick for

:17:44. > :17:46.years and years, going to court to make sure he gets the right sort of

:17:47. > :17:50.care, it's something that will be very familiar to families in this

:17:51. > :17:54.situation. I don't think people appreciate just how much you have to

:17:55. > :18:00.put in and you are his add vole can't aren't you for when he's ill

:18:01. > :18:11.and needs help. Absolutely. You are the one that can bridge the gap? I

:18:12. > :18:18.am. The staff at the Court, Brize Court, they are phenomenal. It's a

:18:19. > :18:22.centre of excellence to teach carers how to look after autistic people.

:18:23. > :18:30.If that is rolled out an brought to minister Mo and more carers -- more

:18:31. > :18:34.and more carers, we can reduce things down. It's not the only

:18:35. > :18:39.approach that's needed but I see the level of care that my son gets at

:18:40. > :18:43.Prize Court and the quality of care and the impact that's had on

:18:44. > :18:48.Patrick's life is phenomenal, it really is. As Jane is saying, you

:18:49. > :18:52.have battled. Have you felt autism's been an area that's not been

:18:53. > :18:57.considered in the same way that other areas has? Absolutely. Classic

:18:58. > :19:02.autism. When people are interested in autism, today when I came here, I

:19:03. > :19:08.got a taxi and the taxi driver said what are you doing and I told him

:19:09. > :19:17.and he said, oh, so your son's autistic, so what is it he's good at

:19:18. > :19:33.was the first question. Like Rain Man? Yes, it put autism back in. .

:19:34. > :19:39.Don't get me wrong, Asperger's is a hugely big part of autism, but there

:19:40. > :19:45.is a classic bit which my son falls into. It's the bit that a lot of

:19:46. > :19:48.autistic people fall into, they have normal intelligence range, they can

:19:49. > :19:54.have learning disabilities, as Patrick does, but the reality is,

:19:55. > :19:59.they are people who need support and care and, if that care is right, the

:20:00. > :20:04.thing we talked about, you talked about diets, Patrick's diet is

:20:05. > :20:08.managed. It's really well managed by Prize Court. They let him have nice

:20:09. > :20:13.things but don't let him overload with the things that will make him

:20:14. > :20:16.unhealthy. They get that balance right. That's what good care is

:20:17. > :20:25.about for autistic people and this's what I think we Ned a hell of a lot

:20:26. > :20:30.more of. A viewer says, I have a son with Aspergers and a child with

:20:31. > :20:33.ADHD. This can be so beneficial so if we know more about it we can do

:20:34. > :20:39.more. Jane, apart from anything, this report being out there is going

:20:40. > :20:44.to raise the profail of this and perhaps get more attention to it? I

:20:45. > :20:47.think it will. Health Ministers know there is a problem here and they

:20:48. > :20:52.know that progress needs to be speeded up. We are seeing some

:20:53. > :20:57.changes, for example Wales is about to bring in a National Autism

:20:58. > :21:03.Service and slowly there's recognition that so many families

:21:04. > :21:07.like Ian's have Patrick's experience where adults aren't able to work and

:21:08. > :21:10.communicate, it's not the Rain Man scenario and a lot more support is

:21:11. > :21:12.needed but the evidents do need to be speeded up.

:21:13. > :21:15.Thank you both very much. We'll hear from a woman

:21:16. > :21:20.who volunteers for a charity funded by Sport Relief after motherhood

:21:21. > :21:27.left her feeling suicidal. She'll tell us how she's helping

:21:28. > :21:32.mothers in the same situation. Madonna's been keeping some

:21:33. > :21:35.of her Australian fans waiting for two hours before

:21:36. > :21:37.coming on stage. EU leaders agree a controversial

:21:38. > :21:47.plan to put to Turkey on tackling Key talks with the Turkish Prime

:21:48. > :21:51.Minister are continuing It seems the deal may have been

:21:52. > :21:56.watered down on concessions of visa-free travel for Turks,

:21:57. > :21:58.and financial aid. The government's plans to tighten up

:21:59. > :22:01.disability payments seem to be drifting into some

:22:02. > :22:03.confusion this morning. Last night Education Secretary Nicky

:22:04. > :22:08.Morgan said they were still under consultation - but now the BBC's

:22:09. > :22:11.been told that the government is not in 'concession territory',

:22:12. > :22:13.as a source put it. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said his

:22:14. > :22:23.party is fighting the proposals. It's interesting the Government's

:22:24. > :22:27.language has changed from "will do" to now saying they are consulting.

:22:28. > :22:30.We are going to force a vote on this, we are launching a petition

:22:31. > :22:33.this morning against this because what the Chancellor's doing is

:22:34. > :22:37.demanding that those with disabilities who want to lead the

:22:38. > :22:41.most independent life they can pay for his corporation tax cuts.

:22:42. > :22:44.An 18-year-old man has been shot dead in Birmingham.

:22:45. > :22:47.The teenager was found lying in a street in the Ladywood area

:22:48. > :22:51.Police have begun a murder inquiry and are appealing for witnesses.

:22:52. > :22:55.It could be the end of the so-called tampon tax.

:22:56. > :22:58.British officials say David Cameron has secured the support of other EU

:22:59. > :23:01.leaders to allow the UK to scrap VAT on sanitary products

:23:02. > :23:03.and Brussels will publish proposals next week.

:23:04. > :23:09.One campaigner who spoke to this programme welcomed the news.

:23:10. > :23:15.I didn't necessarily think it was a bad thing to begin with because I

:23:16. > :23:19.always thought things in context, maybe it makes sense, it kind of has

:23:20. > :23:23.to for it to exist. Then I started looking into what was taxed and not.

:23:24. > :23:28.That's when I found the maintenance of private jets aren't taxed or

:23:29. > :23:32.Jaffa Cakes and edible Sugar Flowers, so I thought, this has to

:23:33. > :23:34.be wrong, something has to be done about it.

:23:35. > :23:37.An electrician has died after falling 53 stories

:23:38. > :23:39.from a construction site in Los Angeles.

:23:40. > :23:42.It was reportedly only the man's second day working on the project

:23:43. > :23:44.which will be the tallest building in the West Coast

:23:45. > :23:48.And Britain's tallest mountain is a little bit bigger

:23:49. > :23:53.The Ordnance Survey has re-measured the Scottish peak and its official

:23:54. > :24:04.height is now 1,345 metres - that's a metre taller than before.

:24:05. > :24:07.We have an update for you on a story we covered yesterday about charities

:24:08. > :24:10.who say they may have been denied millions of pounds

:24:11. > :24:12.all because of personal messages written by donors on the UK's

:24:13. > :24:17.Messages like from 'Mum and Dad', which suggested donations may have

:24:18. > :24:20.been from more than one person, had the gift aid part

:24:21. > :24:25.The HMRC told us they work very closely with charities to ensure

:24:26. > :24:27.the gift aid rules are applied correctly and they receive the full

:24:28. > :24:31.We should also tell you that the UK's largest

:24:32. > :25:03.fundraising website, Justgiving, have told us:

:25:04. > :25:08.Let's catch up with the sport. Manchester United and Liverpool have

:25:09. > :25:11.been charged by UEFA following crowd trouble during last night's Europa

:25:12. > :25:13.League tie at Old Trafford. Liverpool will be in this

:25:14. > :25:17.afternoon's draw for the quarter-finals after it finished 1-1

:25:18. > :25:23.last night. Coutinho's goal seeing them through 3-1 on aggregate.

:25:24. > :25:27.Britain's double Olympic cycling champion, Victoria Pendleton, will

:25:28. > :25:31.ride in the Foxhunter Chase in Cheltenham. This time last year she

:25:32. > :25:36.hadn't even sat on a horse. Today she races on the biggest day of the

:25:37. > :25:41.jump season on the 16-1 shot horse. The new Formula One season is under

:25:42. > :25:44.way. Lewis Hamilton set the quickest time in both practice sessions in

:25:45. > :25:50.Melbourne ahead of Sunday's first race. Nico Rosberg and him crashed

:25:51. > :25:55.in the damp conditions. Great Britain won six medals, including

:25:56. > :25:59.three golds on the opening day of the paracycling track World

:26:00. > :26:04.Championships in Italy. Kadeena Cox won time trial gold on

:26:05. > :26:19.her debut at the event. More on the website throughout the day Joanna.

:26:20. > :26:27.An 18-year-old has been found dead in Birmingham. Phil Macy is at the

:26:28. > :26:34.scene. What can you tell us? He was found with a gunshot wound. This is

:26:35. > :26:38.where it happened. The tent is where the body was discovered, presumably.

:26:39. > :26:45.The forensic inquiries are ongoing as they try to ascertain what

:26:46. > :26:48.happened from locals. This is the fourth person who's died in

:26:49. > :26:52.Birmingham as a result of gunshot wounds in just the last six months.

:26:53. > :26:56.Desmond is a community activist, you know this particular part of

:26:57. > :27:00.Birmingham particularly well. We don't know what a lot about what

:27:01. > :27:04.happened last night but this is worrying isn't it, four people dead

:27:05. > :27:08.from gunshot wounds in Birmingham recently? That's rite. This is a

:27:09. > :27:16.residential area where families are and this is happening in the street

:27:17. > :27:20.which is concerning. One big issue we find is that this spike commenced

:27:21. > :27:24.in January 2015 and gun crime has been taken off the agenda for a

:27:25. > :27:29.while and then there was a spike in July 2015, a major spike. Four

:27:30. > :27:32.people have lost their lives and clearly, the whole issue of weapons

:27:33. > :27:37.generally need to be placed on the agenda. The police will say that

:27:38. > :27:40.compared to a decade ago, even though the figures have gone up,

:27:41. > :27:47.they are not nearly as bad as they were in the bad old days and they'll

:27:48. > :27:50.also say they have carried out a lot of arrests and have had success in

:27:51. > :27:55.taking weapons off the street. Nevertheless, there was a commission

:27:56. > :28:01.launched into guns and gangs on Wednesday, I think you attended

:28:02. > :28:05.that, so what more can be done? We have noticed a grass roots campaign

:28:06. > :28:10.called no to guns, yes to life. We need to get everybody in the city on

:28:11. > :28:12.board with that. Once people see things happening in their

:28:13. > :28:16.communities, this is about community action and about us joining hands

:28:17. > :28:21.together to do something about it, let's just note the importance of

:28:22. > :28:25.grass roots joining together with the authorities and any action to

:28:26. > :28:30.resolve this, we've got to get to the root of it. The most important

:28:31. > :28:34.thing that we have to do is work together on it. You take part in the

:28:35. > :28:38.peace rallies the first Sunday of every month, is that right, where

:28:39. > :28:41.people go out and walk across the streets and try to engage with

:28:42. > :28:47.people who might be involved in gangs. Yes. This bears the hallmarks

:28:48. > :28:51.of a gang shooting but we don't know whether it is that at the moment. Do

:28:52. > :28:55.you think you can have an impact on these parts of Birmingham that have

:28:56. > :29:00.been blighted by guns? We have got to try. If we don't try, we'll stand

:29:01. > :29:02.round and talk about it. We are about taking action and doing

:29:03. > :29:06.something about it, because at the end of the day, one thing we've

:29:07. > :29:09.noticed with the authorities, there are times when it appears to be

:29:10. > :29:12.dealt with as flavour of the month. There's no flavour of the month

:29:13. > :29:18.here, it has to be permanently on the agenda. In January, we

:29:19. > :29:24.negotiated a gun surrender to join the knife surrender. It's been give

:29:25. > :29:26.an six-month shelf life by the Police and Crime Commissioner but as

:29:27. > :29:30.far as we are concerned this will go on permanently, we have got knife

:29:31. > :29:33.bins around the place and as far as we are concerned, we want them

:29:34. > :29:37.utilised. If anyone out there knows of anyone who's got a gun or a

:29:38. > :29:42.knife, encourage them to put them in the bins. Thank you very much

:29:43. > :29:45.Desmond. As you can see, investigations are continuing. I

:29:46. > :29:48.think we are going to get some more information from West Midlands

:29:49. > :29:53.Police in the next few hours so we may learn what they consider this

:29:54. > :29:57.particular fatal shooting to have been about. One thing I have learned

:29:58. > :30:01.is that the victim doesn't necessarily come from this area and

:30:02. > :30:04.off than can be part of the problem, when people start venturing into

:30:05. > :30:08.different postcodes almost in certain cities like Birmingham that,

:30:09. > :30:11.can create tensions and we are speculating a bit at the moment, but

:30:12. > :30:15.we'll get more information from West Midlands Police later. This is the

:30:16. > :30:17.scene here this morning, an 18-year-old lost his life here just

:30:18. > :30:22.over 12 hours ago. Today marks the start

:30:23. > :30:24.of the Sport Relief weekend where people across the country

:30:25. > :30:27.will be taking part in sporting challenges to raise

:30:28. > :30:28.millions of pounds. That money goes towards projects

:30:29. > :30:33.that help transform lives. Our next guest, Charlie Francis-Pape

:30:34. > :30:36.suffered extreme perinatal mental illness that left her

:30:37. > :30:39.on the brink of suicide. Fortunately, she received

:30:40. > :30:41.psychiatric treatment and now works with a Sport Relief-funded campaign

:30:42. > :30:43.to help support other She joins us now

:30:44. > :30:59.to share her story. Thank you for coming in to join us.

:31:00. > :31:02.You suffered severe post-natal depression, cumulatively over three

:31:03. > :31:08.births that came relatively close together. Tell us, I mean you have

:31:09. > :31:12.been on a long journey, take us back to that time after the birth of the

:31:13. > :31:21.first when you realised you were struggling. I had my first six years

:31:22. > :31:24.ago I had what I would describe as mild to moderate post-natal

:31:25. > :31:33.depression. It was recognised. Did you have to flag it or did they spot

:31:34. > :31:38.it. I had mild depression before. It is hard to differentiate, it is

:31:39. > :31:44.difficult to have a child, and feeling low. But it became apparent

:31:45. > :31:53.that it probably wasn't normal. Then three and a half years later I had

:31:54. > :32:03.another. She is now two and a half I had a traumatic labour that left me

:32:04. > :32:09.with post-traumatic stress disorder and I had flash backs to the birth

:32:10. > :32:14.where I lost four litres of blood. Then I conceived my third baby and

:32:15. > :32:22.my mental health plummeted after that. Where did it take you, how did

:32:23. > :32:31.you end up with that? So I had three very young children, they were four,

:32:32. > :32:39.one and a baby. And the first few weeks after my last child was born,

:32:40. > :32:47.everything seemed normal and then my mood hit rock bottom and all I could

:32:48. > :32:52.think of was ending my life. I was very shocked by how awful it was and

:32:53. > :32:57.I didn't want to be alive any more. Can you describe that, you were at

:32:58. > :33:02.home with three young children, feel like that, what was it like and were

:33:03. > :33:09.you telling other people about it? No, something I am like when I'm

:33:10. > :33:14.poorly, I'm very high functioning, my friends may have thought I was

:33:15. > :33:20.having difficulty having a baby, but all I thought about was I didn't

:33:21. > :33:25.want to be alive. It was like I was dying of a fatal illness and it was

:33:26. > :33:29.only a matter of time breakfast I was going to -- - matter of time

:33:30. > :33:35.before I was going to die. Did you tell anybody? I had a fantastic

:33:36. > :33:41.health visitor and said to her, the only way I could articulate is it

:33:42. > :33:49.I'm not feeling very good, but because she had me before she upped.

:33:50. > :33:56.Understood. You said you felt ashamed, why did you feel ashamed?

:33:57. > :34:00.The community I'm from is very child centred and most women I know are

:34:01. > :34:05.stay at home mothers that take their children to school and do clubs and

:34:06. > :34:10.being seen to not want to be alive when you're a mother is horrifying.

:34:11. > :34:15.People presume it is a choice. They presume I wouldn't want to do that,

:34:16. > :34:19.you have a child, why are you feeling like that. But it was beyond

:34:20. > :34:28.my control. One day you got in your car... Started driving. Yes, I left

:34:29. > :34:33.my children at home with my husband and decide that was it. I had had

:34:34. > :34:41.enough. I didn't have any intention of returning. I don't remember much

:34:42. > :34:48.of the of the journey, but I drove for six hours and went to a hotel

:34:49. > :34:53.intending to end my life. Then I got a message from my husband saying,

:34:54. > :35:01.please don't kill yourself, I love you and that snapped me out of it

:35:02. > :35:12.and I went to hospital. What got you through? It is weird, because I was

:35:13. > :35:17.with my new baby but the others were at home with my husband. What got me

:35:18. > :35:22.through was good practitioner, medication, time and understanding.

:35:23. > :35:26.And I guess when you're in there, you're in a bubble, it is like a

:35:27. > :35:31.home, it is not like a hospital and there are no stresses, you look

:35:32. > :35:37.after your baby and yourself and food is cooked, but when I came out,

:35:38. > :35:41.I was still poorly, I was just declared as safe, it took a good six

:35:42. > :35:47.months to get where I am feeling today. How are you feeling today?

:35:48. > :35:53.Fantastic. We are very thankful that life I was better. You give it back,

:35:54. > :35:59.you support other women, because there are so many other women, who

:36:00. > :36:05.go through the same. What do you do? I mainly dry and speak to

:36:06. > :36:10.practitioners, because so many don't understand the difference between

:36:11. > :36:21.mental health and perinatal mental health and I'm a trainee midwife as

:36:22. > :36:29.well and as a volcano a volunteer I talk to others and say life can be

:36:30. > :36:35.challenging. Explain the different with Perry Natal and -- perinatal

:36:36. > :36:40.other mental health. Society views you when you're a mother as you

:36:41. > :36:45.should be the perfect mother. When you're not and when you feel there

:36:46. > :36:50.is no attachment to your children and you feel their lives would be

:36:51. > :36:56.better you weren't there is very difficult and there are lots of

:36:57. > :37:07.triggers too make you feel more moorly. Hen your When you're

:37:08. > :37:12.struggling and somebody said you should breast-feed your child.

:37:13. > :37:19.You're raised it is the best thing, and it is, but when you're mentally

:37:20. > :37:25.poorly and you don't do that, it is very hard. What is it you say when

:37:26. > :37:29.you see somebody else going through that? I want to tell them I have

:37:30. > :37:37.been there, because hopefully I come across as well. So just to say it's

:37:38. > :37:44.horrifying and awful and lonely, but it will get better, as long as you

:37:45. > :37:48.know who to talk to and have a good support network and you will be like

:37:49. > :37:52.me and life will be fantastic again. You're training to be a midwife

:37:53. > :37:57.after an experience of childbirth that was so traumatic you suffered

:37:58. > :38:04.post-traumatic stress, that shows how far you have come? Yes it is

:38:05. > :38:09.nice to be working in the system that helped me. How do you find the

:38:10. > :38:13.prospect of helping other mums through childbirth? I love it. Just

:38:14. > :38:18.sitting with a woman and whether they're mentally poorly or not, to

:38:19. > :38:21.make them feel safe, to make a woman feel safe one day then it has been a

:38:22. > :38:26.fantastic day. Thank you. It's not just here in the UK

:38:27. > :38:28.that the money raised 50% of the money transforms lives

:38:29. > :38:32.across the world's poorest communities, those such

:38:33. > :38:33.as 10-year-old Champa from Bangladesh who risks death

:38:34. > :38:36.every day collecting rubbish I am Champa, I am ten years old,

:38:37. > :38:48.I live in in Bangladesh. I work as a litter picker

:38:49. > :38:53.with my little brother. If I don't worki, then I don't

:38:54. > :39:02.have money for food. If I was like other kids,

:39:03. > :39:05.I would have more time to play and go to school, but unlike them I

:39:06. > :39:11.can't afford it. I don't like work

:39:12. > :39:13.and if I spent my time studying, Champa earns just 50p a day,

:39:14. > :39:20.which is only enough But the good news is that a project

:39:21. > :39:27.funded by Sport Relief is Champa goes to a centre for a a few

:39:28. > :39:35.hours a day where she can study I like dancing at the centre

:39:36. > :39:44.and sometimes I teach the other When I go litter-picking

:39:45. > :39:51.I don't feel safe. Now, the centre has arranged

:39:52. > :39:57.for me to go to a proper I love to read and study

:39:58. > :40:04.and by doing this one day I hope to go on to do

:40:05. > :40:27.something really good. To sign-up to the Sport Relief

:40:28. > :40:30.Games, donate or find more And of course you can watch

:40:31. > :40:35.Sport Relief live tonight from 7pm Madonna's bizarre antics

:40:36. > :40:41.on stage during her world During a concert in Brisbane

:40:42. > :40:46.yesterday, the singer pulled a fan's top down on stage and exposed

:40:47. > :40:49.one of her breasts. Fans have also been complaining

:40:50. > :40:54.about another concert starting late Here to tell us more

:40:55. > :41:09.is our entertainment correspondent What has been going on? With this

:41:10. > :41:13.fan, as you can imagine, that clip has gone viral and has been talked

:41:14. > :41:19.about all over the world. People have been talking about it, some

:41:20. > :41:25.suggesting that she might sue Madonna, because she is under 18 and

:41:26. > :41:31.people say you have been publicly humiliated by this powerful rich

:41:32. > :41:37.woman on stage. It has generated a huge amount of talk. She is showing

:41:38. > :41:42.up late, fans are getting refunds. It is interesting how people are

:41:43. > :41:46.seeing this tshs fan who had her top pulled down said she was fine with

:41:47. > :41:52.and called it one of the best moments of her life and laughed off

:41:53. > :41:59.suggestions she might sue and said she referred to me as a Victoria's

:42:00. > :42:04.secret model. Madonna denied she came on stage drunk. She said she

:42:05. > :42:09.was playing a character, where she dressed as a clown and fell off a

:42:10. > :42:14.bike. She has been thanking her fans for support, because the tour has

:42:15. > :42:21.been talked about a lot. We have got the images of her on stage where

:42:22. > :42:26.you're talking about on the bike. Someone are getting concerned about

:42:27. > :42:32.what might be going on here. There is the custody issue going on.

:42:33. > :42:37.Madonna is is only person who knows what is going on, there is no

:42:38. > :42:47.evidence it is related to the custody battle with Guy rchy.

:42:48. > :42:51.Ritchie. Cynics say it is because her tour has not sold out. She is

:42:52. > :42:55.the only person who knows what is going on and we will have to wait

:42:56. > :42:59.and see. She has been talking about her son on stage. Yes it is a

:43:00. > :43:03.difficult period for anyone going through something like that. But as

:43:04. > :43:08.to the incidents being connected, who knows? We have no idea. The only

:43:09. > :43:13.person who knows is Madonna and she is not talking about it. She said

:43:14. > :43:17.she is not making money from the concerts, because she has to give so

:43:18. > :43:25.many refunds, I presume that is not true. Well the economics of concert

:43:26. > :43:32.going are a murky area with the ticket sales, the merchandise and

:43:33. > :43:36.the rights, I am sure not a huge amount of sympathy if they think she

:43:37. > :43:45.may be out-of-pocket. Thank you very much. To remind you starting from

:43:46. > :43:49.Monday our programme starts at the earlier time of 9 o'clock. Have a

:43:50. > :44:12.lovely weekend and I will see you soon.

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