24/03/2016

:00:00. > :00:07.Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

:00:08. > :00:13.Europe's most wanted - police investigating the Brussels

:00:14. > :00:15.bombings search for the man in white.

:00:16. > :00:18.The Belgian authorities think he fled the city's airport

:00:19. > :00:20.after the two men who were with him blew themselves up during

:00:21. > :00:29.Officials in Brussels tell reporters that one of the suicide bombers

:00:30. > :00:31.who attacked the city's airport was involved in making

:00:32. > :00:38.the explosives for the Paris attacks in November.

:00:39. > :00:44.I'm Jon Kay, reporting live from Brussels. A second national day of

:00:45. > :00:49.mourning here as people stop and reflect in this square. You also see

:00:50. > :00:50.them checking their mobile phones to check out the latest in the

:00:51. > :00:53.investigation. Plus here, a warning that hundreds

:00:54. > :00:56.of thousands of council houses and housing association homes

:00:57. > :01:04.could be lost forever. There were always about 20, 20 5% of

:01:05. > :01:10.the population who cannot afford to own their own home or rent on the

:01:11. > :01:14.market -- 25%. What are we going to do about those groups of people

:01:15. > :01:15.going into the future if we allow social housing to continue to

:01:16. > :01:24.decline? Grief, confusion and recriminations

:01:25. > :01:30.as police in Brussels investigating the airport and metro bombings

:01:31. > :01:34.which killed at least 31 people are hunting for a suspect,

:01:35. > :01:38.pictured wearing a white jacket on CCTV footage at the airport

:01:39. > :01:40.shortly before the attacks took It's thought he escaped

:01:41. > :01:45.after his two accomplices Unconfirmed reports suggest one

:01:46. > :01:52.of the suicide bombers was Najim Laachraoui,

:01:53. > :01:53.believed to have been involved in the planning of

:01:54. > :01:56.the Paris atrocities. Some more names and nationalities

:01:57. > :01:58.of the victims have Though only a handful have been

:01:59. > :02:05.formally identified, as the city enters a second day

:02:06. > :02:07.of national mourning. A focal point for tributes

:02:08. > :02:10.is still the Place de la Bourse where our reporter Jon

:02:11. > :02:22.Kay is this morning. What is the latest?

:02:23. > :02:24.Good morning, Victoria. It is interesting to mention the victims

:02:25. > :02:27.because there is a sense here in Brussels and across Belgium of

:02:28. > :02:32.keeping the victims at the forefront of this. We have seen the CCTV

:02:33. > :02:36.images of the suspect, the mugshots, the pictures from the airport and

:02:37. > :02:40.Metro, but I think what people here want to do is keep talking about

:02:41. > :02:45.those who lost their lives and that is why they are coming here,

:02:46. > :02:51.reflected in the front page of the papers. 331 innocence, a total of

:02:52. > :02:55.331 people believed to have lost their lives so far, though that is

:02:56. > :03:00.expected to rise, and the 300 injured, some of them critically. We

:03:01. > :03:04.are told to expect more deaths, the death toll to rise in the days

:03:05. > :03:09.ahead. You can see from the faces the range of ages, backgrounds and

:03:10. > :03:13.nationalities of those caught up in these attacks. But while the focus

:03:14. > :03:15.on those front pages may be on the victims, the focus for the

:03:16. > :03:31.authorities here is a manhunt, at least for one

:03:32. > :03:34.man, maybe for more. All kinds of confusion yesterday, arrests had

:03:35. > :03:36.been made, hadn't been made, looking for this person or that person. We

:03:37. > :03:38.will get the latest as it stands from Simon Jones.

:03:39. > :03:40.Solidarity, sympathy, defiance, fear.

:03:41. > :03:42.The candles and tributes grow as Belgium enters a second day

:03:43. > :03:45.The big question - where is this man?

:03:46. > :03:48.The hunt continues for the airpoprt attacker who fled the scene

:03:49. > :03:51.TRANSLATION: The suspect wearing a light-coloured coat and a hat

:03:52. > :03:55.He left a large bag and departed before the explosions.

:03:56. > :03:59.His bag contained the biggest explosive device.

:04:00. > :04:03.Two of the suicide bombers have been identified as brothers Brahim

:04:04. > :04:07.and Khalid el-Bakraoui, petty criminals known to the police.

:04:08. > :04:09.Brahim, in the middle, was one of the three attackers

:04:10. > :04:26.On the left may be Najim Laachraoui, the suspected bomb

:04:27. > :04:28.maker in the Paris attacks last November.

:04:29. > :04:30.He is linked to Salah Abdeslam, the one surviving Paris attacker

:04:31. > :04:41.The Bakraoui brothers have been linked to safe houses

:04:42. > :04:44.Paris clearly connected to events in Brussels.

:04:45. > :04:46.It has emerged that Brahim was deported from Turkey last year.

:04:47. > :04:50.Turkey says Belgium ignored warnings that he was dangerous.

:04:51. > :04:52.TRANSLATION: Despite our warning that this person was a foreign

:04:53. > :04:54.terrorist fighter, Belgian authorities could not find

:04:55. > :04:58.Belgium insists he had been identified as a common criminal,

:04:59. > :05:02.not a terrorism suspect, but questions are growing as to how

:05:03. > :05:08.the police and security services have handled the terror threat.

:05:09. > :05:11.Among the people confirmed dead, Leopold Hecht, a law

:05:12. > :05:16.student in Brussels, and Adelma Tapia Ruiz from Peru,

:05:17. > :05:20.mother of twin girls who survived the attack.

:05:21. > :05:22.Overnight, London landmarks were lit up in solidarity with Brussels.

:05:23. > :05:27.Today, EU interior and justice ministers will hold a crisis meeting

:05:28. > :05:29.to discuss their response to Belgium's worst

:05:30. > :05:46.48-hour is after those attacks, I have to say it feels rather more

:05:47. > :05:50.calm here today, busier as well. People, after staying away, staying

:05:51. > :05:55.at home yesterday, appear to be going to work, school, college, as

:05:56. > :05:58.they might normally, but this is a new normal, and every Metro station

:05:59. > :06:03.and bus station have intense security, we have seen the military

:06:04. > :06:06.the street in public spaces, the investigations, the manhunt

:06:07. > :06:07.continues, it is clearly a nervous, edgy here in Brussels.

:06:08. > :06:11.Thank you. Here, a former head of MI6,

:06:12. > :06:13.Sir Richard Dearlove, has questioned claims that leaving

:06:14. > :06:15.the EU would compromise security. But the Defence Secretary,

:06:16. > :06:18.Michael Fallon, said the recent terror attacks showed the need

:06:19. > :06:22.for more cooperation with the EU. Live to Westminster and our

:06:23. > :06:35.political guru Norman Smith. What has Sir Richard Dearlove said?

:06:36. > :06:40.We have become used to the Brexit campaigners warning about the risk

:06:41. > :06:45.to security from free movement in the EU, what is interesting about

:06:46. > :06:48.Sir Richard's criticism is he focuses on the calibre and quality

:06:49. > :06:53.of Brussels-based security organisations. So, for example, he

:06:54. > :07:00.says they are of little consequence, he says that you recall, the main EU

:07:01. > :07:03.law enforcement agency involves 28 nations of differing abilities in

:07:04. > :07:10.terms of their approach to intelligence -- Europol. And he

:07:11. > :07:16.raises questions about how secure they are, saying countries like

:07:17. > :07:19.Britain doesn't want to put their intelligence into a leaking

:07:20. > :07:23.organisation, and he said if we left it would make no difference to our

:07:24. > :07:27.close working relationship with the United States, and far better to

:07:28. > :07:31.have bilateral deals when it comes to intelligence. Against that we

:07:32. > :07:35.have heard this morning from another former spy chief, the former head of

:07:36. > :07:42.GCHQ, who said quite the opposite. His argument is that we are only

:07:43. > :07:45.going to be safe if the intelligence operations in Europe are up to

:07:46. > :07:52.scratch. How do we help them to be up to scratch? By cooperating with

:07:53. > :07:56.them. The danger if we pull out is that it deprives them of a lot of

:07:57. > :08:01.our intelligence, so we have two intelligence chiefs on either side

:08:02. > :08:05.of the debate in the EU referendum, and it matters because the issue of

:08:06. > :08:07.national security is becoming absolutely central to that

:08:08. > :08:09.referendum campaign. Thank you, Norman.

:08:10. > :08:12.And with with rest of the day's news, here's Annita in the BBC

:08:13. > :08:18.A UN war crimes tribunal is to return its verdict today

:08:19. > :08:20.in the case of the former Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan

:08:21. > :08:24.He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity related to the war

:08:25. > :08:29.At least 100,000 people died in the conflict,

:08:30. > :08:32.before an American-brokered peace deal brought the fighting

:08:33. > :08:45.The verdict will be broadcast live on a big screen in Sarajevo this

:08:46. > :08:49.lunchtime and we will speak to our correspondent there later this hour.

:08:50. > :08:53.Police are appealing for information after two women were murdered

:08:54. > :08:57.The attacks took place in different locations yesterday evening.

:08:58. > :09:01.A 34-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder

:09:02. > :09:06.Australia says aircraft debris found off the coast of Mozambique

:09:07. > :09:10.is almost certainly from missing Malaysian Airlines plane MH370.

:09:11. > :09:12.Two parts of a plane were found separately by members

:09:13. > :09:15.of the public and were flown to Australia last month for analysis.

:09:16. > :09:23.Flight MH370 vanished in March 2014 with 238 people on board.

:09:24. > :09:26.The bodies of a man and a woman have been found by rescuers searching

:09:27. > :09:29.for two climbers who've been missing on Ben Nevis since February.

:09:30. > :09:33.Rachel Slater and Tim Newton, from Bradford, failed to return

:09:34. > :09:35.from an outing on the mountain and hazardous weather hampered

:09:36. > :09:40.Police Scotland said the families of the two climbers

:09:41. > :09:45.Victims of online fraud shouldn't be refunded by banks if they fail

:09:46. > :09:47.to protect themselves, according to Britain's most

:09:48. > :09:54.Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said that the public were being rewarded

:09:55. > :09:57.for bad behaviour and should take more responsibility

:09:58. > :10:03.In 2014, the last full year for which figures are available,

:10:04. > :10:08.the cost of online fraud was ?479 million.

:10:09. > :10:11.Currently, banks and credit card companies automatically pay out

:10:12. > :10:19.unless they can prove that the victim was negligent.

:10:20. > :10:28.But the police say as many as eight out of ten phishing or malware

:10:29. > :10:31.attacks would be avoided if people didn't click on the link.

:10:32. > :10:33.Two senior officers are now suggesting it might be time

:10:34. > :10:35.for the public to take more responsibility.

:10:36. > :10:37.The Commissioner of the Met Police, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe,

:10:38. > :10:40.is reported in the Times saying that automatic pay-outs reward bad

:10:41. > :10:44.Commander Chris Greany of the City of London Police,

:10:45. > :10:46.the national coordinator for economic crime, told the BBC

:10:47. > :10:49.that people should consider security in cyberspace as much of a routine

:10:50. > :10:51.as locking their front door when they go out.

:10:52. > :10:54.The police say this is not about blaming victims but trying

:10:55. > :10:59.to ensure fewer people become victims in the first place.

:11:00. > :11:02.But consumer groups argue that ending automatic compensation

:11:03. > :11:05.could not only delay pay-outs but also discourage banks

:11:06. > :11:11.from investing in online security themselves.

:11:12. > :11:15.Ben Ando, BBC News at New Scotland Yard.

:11:16. > :11:18.US President Barack Obama has shown off his dancing skills at a state

:11:19. > :11:31.Hundreds of guests were entertained by an impromptu performance

:11:32. > :11:33.as the president, shortly joined by First Lady Michelle Obama,

:11:34. > :11:35.danced the country's national dance, the Tango, accompanied

:11:36. > :11:48.That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

:11:49. > :11:54.Throughout the programme we'll keep you up to date with the latest

:11:55. > :11:58.Before 10am, we know affordable housing is a big issue for you,

:11:59. > :12:04.we're going to detail the big changes that are coming

:12:05. > :12:06.to council houses and housing association homes.

:12:07. > :12:08.If you live in a housing association property,

:12:09. > :12:11.do watch our film and tell us how the changes could affect you.

:12:12. > :12:15.You can get in touch using the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE.

:12:16. > :12:18.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:12:19. > :12:20.And I always try and feed some of your contributions

:12:21. > :12:22.into our conversations throughout the morning.

:12:23. > :12:32.And massive change of heart from Novak Djokovic?

:12:33. > :12:37.It seems that way, we will start with the row going on over men and

:12:38. > :12:41.women's pay Intel is. The 11 time grand slam champion Novak Djokovic

:12:42. > :12:44.has apologised to a number of leading female players and has

:12:45. > :12:47.spoken to Andy Murray, who criticised the world than the one

:12:48. > :12:50.following comments he made on Sunday. Djokovic suggested male

:12:51. > :12:56.players should earn more as they generate more income. Now, though,

:12:57. > :13:01.he was -- he says he was referring to more pay across the board and is

:13:02. > :13:04.trying to explain himself. I was referring to the tournament and the

:13:05. > :13:09.wealth distributed to all the players, high ranked, lower ranks,

:13:10. > :13:17.female, male, young, old. I was talking in the name of all the

:13:18. > :13:21.players, I think that we deserve more of the wealth distribution that

:13:22. > :13:28.is generated on certain tournaments, that's what I am referring to. All

:13:29. > :13:32.genders? Yes, all genders. That is that put to bed, maybe not!

:13:33. > :13:36.England's cricketers were not good enough according to Captain Owen

:13:37. > :13:43.Morgan as they narrowly avoided embarrassment against Afghanistan.

:13:44. > :13:48.England slipped to 57-6 but big hitting from David Willey and Moeen

:13:49. > :13:53.Ali gave them a total of 142. Afghanistan were always behind in

:13:54. > :13:55.the run chase as England won by 15 runs and afterwards Morgan was

:13:56. > :14:02.understandably pleased with the contributions from Moeen Ali and

:14:03. > :14:05.David Willey. Where the rest of our batting struggle today, those guys

:14:06. > :14:13.should a great deal of application in the right manner, starting on to

:14:14. > :14:20.bigger wickets like these is difficult, you almost need mistakes

:14:21. > :14:25.before you actually click your brain into thinking, I have got plenty of

:14:26. > :14:28.time here, I have to get runs under my belt and establish the

:14:29. > :14:33.partnership. It is so different to the wickets we have played on.

:14:34. > :14:36.Emphasising that throughout the side is very important.

:14:37. > :14:40.Wales and Northern Ireland meet in a friendly at the Cardiff city Stadium

:14:41. > :14:45.tonight ahead of this summer's euros. Both teams have ended a long

:14:46. > :14:47.wait to reach a major competition but Wales will be without key

:14:48. > :14:52.players character bail and Aaron Ramsey.

:14:53. > :14:59.Looking forward to it, two important games for us, as it always is.

:15:00. > :15:05.Everybody says two friendly games, but never go into a game playing for

:15:06. > :15:11.Wales thinking it didn't matter. It is a big one for us. We are going to

:15:12. > :15:15.play against some teams with exceptional individual players,

:15:16. > :15:19.which obviously I was bail is. Aaron Ramsey comes into that category as

:15:20. > :15:23.well, and that is note disrespect to the rest of the Wales squad, who are

:15:24. > :15:26.good international players. From that point of view it would have

:15:27. > :15:32.been good for our preparation to have to deal with that, but equally

:15:33. > :15:37.the fact they are not playing sets us a different challenge. Scotland

:15:38. > :15:39.also in action tonight, playing a friendly in the Czech Republic. That

:15:40. > :15:44.is all for now. A British woman filmed sheltering

:15:45. > :15:46.with her family in the aftermath of the Brussels airport attack says

:15:47. > :15:49.she'd been reading just the day before, what to do in the event

:15:50. > :15:54.of a terrorist attack. Pauline Graystone, who has lived

:15:55. > :15:57.in Belgium for 20 years, was checking in at Brussels

:15:58. > :16:00.International Airport She was with her

:16:01. > :16:05.daughter and husband. The images of her on the floor

:16:06. > :16:07.of the departure hall, amid the chaos of the attack,

:16:08. > :16:23.have been seen around the world. The luggage was on the conveyor

:16:24. > :16:27.belt. We'd just been checked in. At that moment there was a loud bang, a

:16:28. > :16:32.crack. We all turned round and I said "what's that? ". It wasn't

:16:33. > :16:36.obvious to me that it was a bomb. My husband thought it was. We

:16:37. > :16:39.immediately dropped to the floor and we were basically there I don't know

:16:40. > :16:46.how long. Probably a few seconds, maybe longer. Then suddenly there

:16:47. > :16:49.was an even louder bang in front of us behind the check-in and this was

:16:50. > :16:57.clearly a bomb because you could feel the heat and see the light, you

:16:58. > :17:01.could smell the burning and lots of the ceiling fell down. This is when

:17:02. > :17:04.it got very scary, it was like, this is it. You hear about these things

:17:05. > :17:09.on the news, of course it's never going to be you is it, then suddenly

:17:10. > :17:13.you think this is it and of course we'd heard two bombs, it was clear.

:17:14. > :17:23.Yes, I was just thinking, there's going to be another one, another

:17:24. > :17:27.one. So it was numb terror, I guess. The first blast was behind us. By

:17:28. > :17:32.the time I looked, the second had already detonated. I just saw the

:17:33. > :17:36.blow, the aftermath. I crouched to the floor and remember just staying

:17:37. > :17:39.there which seemed for a very long time but I don't think it was that

:17:40. > :17:45.long. I remember hearing my mum telling me it was going to be OK and

:17:46. > :17:56.that just to wait and make myself small so that's what I did. Did you

:17:57. > :18:03.feel it was going to be OK? I did but no at the same time. I watch a

:18:04. > :18:08.lot of cop things. It gives you a surreal image that maybe you could

:18:09. > :18:11.die but it was fine. You were with your husband and daughter, did you

:18:12. > :18:17.keep them close to you? Yes, clung on! I just grabbed both of them. I

:18:18. > :18:24.mean, I just wanted us all to be as small as possible, so we were like

:18:25. > :18:29.one group very close together. I just kept thinking, be as small as

:18:30. > :18:33.you can, so we kept very tightly together.

:18:34. > :18:36.That was Pauline Graystone and her daughter talking to Katya

:18:37. > :18:40.Two days on from the attack, what's the atmosphere

:18:41. > :18:44.As politicians and the media have variously placed blame

:18:45. > :18:46.on the Government, the security services and disconnected

:18:47. > :18:49.communities in Belgium, we can speak now to three Muslim

:18:50. > :18:55.Nadia Fadil, a university lecturer, Hajib Hajaji, an anti-islamophobia

:18:56. > :18:57.activist and Taouwfik Amzil, an entrepreneur who helps young

:18:58. > :19:08.Welcome to the programme. Thank you for joining us. Nadia, how would you

:19:09. > :19:13.describe the last couple of days? Right after the attacks, there has

:19:14. > :19:19.been a quite impressive amount of solidarity. I think many people have

:19:20. > :19:26.also showed that they were quite shocked also about the attacks.

:19:27. > :19:30.There have been several weeks that it's been -- several wakes organised

:19:31. > :19:36.by the communities in the city. I was surprised by the general

:19:37. > :19:50.expressions of solidarities. Hajib, what would you say? Can you hear me?

:19:51. > :19:59.Yes. Thoughts and prayers firstly for the victims to close friends and

:20:00. > :20:03.family. We were shocked. As a human rights organisation, we have a right

:20:04. > :20:06.to live in a peaceful country. We are astonished about this attack.

:20:07. > :20:15.It's a global attack in all of Europe and now in Brussels. Some

:20:16. > :20:23.people were wounded and some people died. This is the minority of the

:20:24. > :20:27.Muslims. This is an attack of some groups, minority groups, and they

:20:28. > :20:37.promote fire and we need to come bat them. -- come back at them.

:20:38. > :20:47.How do you come back at them? Can you hear me? Yes, do go ahead? We

:20:48. > :20:51.are now at a Crossroads. First, we need to make sure that people have a

:20:52. > :20:55.feeling of security and living in a safe place. We then need to get to

:20:56. > :20:59.the root cause which is, we are living in front of home-grown

:21:00. > :21:05.terrorists. Those people, those bad guys, have been first going from

:21:06. > :21:09.social exclusion to pelty crime to radicalisation. Most important here

:21:10. > :21:15.is not to put the blame on the entire community. The community, the

:21:16. > :21:20.Muslim community, has suffered and is suffering still now from all

:21:21. > :21:32.these attacks. But on the other hand, we need to start a very

:21:33. > :21:45.critical dialogue to make sure that the measures are set. We need to

:21:46. > :21:51.have far more positive IDs and policies to take place and it means

:21:52. > :21:57.simply making sure that all people here in Belgium or even in Europe

:21:58. > :22:02.have the sense and feeling that they have access. We need to cut the risk

:22:03. > :22:06.of radicalisation. If we don't do that in the mid or long-term, we'll

:22:07. > :22:11.just have more and more attacks and this is exactly what Isis is looking

:22:12. > :22:18.for, to divide people and make sure that racism, generalisation and

:22:19. > :22:26.Islamophobia is increasing and then putting the word out for more

:22:27. > :22:30.recruitment. Nadia, on that point about generalisations, a British man

:22:31. > :22:34.here described on Twitter the fact that he went up to a Muslim woman in

:22:35. > :22:38.Croydon just outside London and confronted her, these are his words,

:22:39. > :22:43.he posted this on Twitter "I confronted a Muslim woman today,

:22:44. > :22:52.asked her to explain Brussels". She said "nothing to do with me," it was

:22:53. > :22:57.a male write mouthed reply. Has there been anything like that in

:22:58. > :23:02.Belgium? A few politicians have expressed the desire to hear Muslims

:23:03. > :23:04.more ex-mes sitly condemning the attacks which is actually quite

:23:05. > :23:09.remarkable because all the organisations, as far as I've been

:23:10. > :23:13.able to follow, have come out with public declarations condemning the

:23:14. > :23:20.attacks, so yes, I think the more problematic facet is that there is a

:23:21. > :23:23.tendency to somehow connect, draw these connections between the

:23:24. > :23:27.multicultural society that is considered by several opinion-makers

:23:28. > :23:31.and leaders and in Britain you have also witnessed the same tendencies

:23:32. > :23:35.to declare multiculturalism as a field experiment. That's one part of

:23:36. > :23:39.the story. The other part of the story is to understand the attacks

:23:40. > :23:45.themselves and the nature of the attacks and also that's been already

:23:46. > :23:49.suggested by Tawfiq in his explanation. It's important to

:23:50. > :23:54.understand the attacks in a context of global warfare and further

:23:55. > :23:58.explanation of the attacks. There is an indirect connection between these

:23:59. > :24:05.two in the sense that if you alienate a big segment of your

:24:06. > :24:09.population and don't offer any ways to choose to have a productive

:24:10. > :24:13.manner, there might be a tiny fraction of the communities that

:24:14. > :24:16.could resort to arms. But if we want to understand the attacks, it's

:24:17. > :24:21.important to situate them in the global War on Terror context in

:24:22. > :24:25.which we have been living for 15 years now and that has, through the

:24:26. > :24:28.implication of a number of young people who've left because they were

:24:29. > :24:33.fed up with Europe basically, who've left to join the fight and the

:24:34. > :24:38.battle in Syria, who have come back in order to take Europe as a

:24:39. > :24:43.military target in the global warfare.

:24:44. > :24:46.You work a lot with young Muslims in Brussels, how would you describe the

:24:47. > :24:50.relationship between the local communities that you go into and the

:24:51. > :24:55.authorities, and I'm talking obviously about the Government, the

:24:56. > :25:03.police, Intelligence Services and so on? The most important here is that

:25:04. > :25:08.we are creating bridges between local communities, youngsters and

:25:09. > :25:13.the authorities and also other institutions. Why - because you know

:25:14. > :25:20.it's a democratic situation in Brussels. We have a very big

:25:21. > :25:25.important Muslim community in Brussels, art of the Institute of

:25:26. > :25:30.Brussels. Those people, those youngsters are the future electors,

:25:31. > :25:34.workers and tenants for Brussels and this is actually the message we are

:25:35. > :25:38.passing to the Government, which is don't ignore this, it's an important

:25:39. > :25:41.part of the population because you will need them at certain points,

:25:42. > :25:49.they'll become the Brussels guys for tomorrow. So we need to make sure

:25:50. > :25:54.that everybody has the feeling that he's part of the society which is

:25:55. > :25:59.not really the case. We have very strong statements from youngsters

:26:00. > :26:05.saying that there is nothing to live here in Belgium so maybe it's better

:26:06. > :26:09.to go to Syria and die. This is very strong statements from youngsters

:26:10. > :26:13.who've been born and raised and grown in Brussels, saying this. So

:26:14. > :26:19.it shows that our social fabric is very weak. Today, more than ever, we

:26:20. > :26:28.need to make sure that what happens in Paris, Istanbul and now in

:26:29. > :26:36.Brussels, should not be happening. For that, at the government level or

:26:37. > :26:41.at the social society level, it has to take the investing in money to

:26:42. > :26:43.ensure it doesn't happen again, otherwise it's another war again.

:26:44. > :26:57.Many families in Belgium desperately wait for news of loved ones, and the

:26:58. > :27:00.majority of the people are trying to continue with daily life. Jon Kay

:27:01. > :27:01.has been finding out how they are coping in the aftermath of the

:27:02. > :27:13.attacks. Imagine facing this on your way to

:27:14. > :27:24.work. Commuters wait to get inside the station. Checked one by one. In

:27:25. > :27:28.the light of the attacks, we found few complaints. It's awful but we

:27:29. > :27:33.have to do it. We are glad we have some controls, yes. We have to do

:27:34. > :27:38.it. My grandson is born last night and I want to go to the hospital to

:27:39. > :27:43.see him and I haven't had a chance and I think that the doors will be

:27:44. > :27:47.closed until I'm home tonight. So how do you feel about the

:27:48. > :27:52.security and waiting in your situation? Well, I can understand.

:27:53. > :27:56.You can understand? Yes, security above everything. These weren't just

:27:57. > :28:01.attacks on the capital of Belgium, but on Brussels as the home of the

:28:02. > :28:06.European Union. The impact is only too clear.

:28:07. > :28:10.During the working week, this area would normally be buzzing with

:28:11. > :28:13.politicians and officials and journalists shuttling between all

:28:14. > :28:17.the different EU buildings, but look, it's empty, the roads are

:28:18. > :28:22.empty, the offices are pretty much empty and I can show you why. Just

:28:23. > :28:26.down the hill there, by the barrier, that's the Metro station that was

:28:27. > :28:30.attacked on Tuesday morning. It's not fun and I don't think it's

:28:31. > :28:34.fun to live in any big city in Europe right now. Maria hasn't been

:28:35. > :28:38.able to do her job as an interpreter since the attacks and her children

:28:39. > :28:43.haven't been to school. But like so many here, she remains calm. How are

:28:44. > :28:47.your kids, how are they doing? We are fine, we are fine, we told them

:28:48. > :28:52.there are some mean guys there, but the world is not all mean and we

:28:53. > :28:55.have to be careful, so I think you have to be honest with your kids and

:28:56. > :29:00.stuff. But while some in Belgium are able

:29:01. > :29:04.to continue with their plans, others are struggling to deal with this new

:29:05. > :29:14.normal. People like Isabella. The atmosphere

:29:15. > :29:19.is very nervous. It's very dangerous and I really, really, really scared.

:29:20. > :29:22.You are scared? Yeah, I'm scared. These women have come up with a

:29:23. > :29:28.novel approach in the fight against terror. Lifting people's spirits

:29:29. > :29:32.with helium-filled balloons. We think that if you hold this balloon

:29:33. > :29:39.it will give to people like some idea of peace and love. And a smile?

:29:40. > :29:43.Yes. We hope so! Yes, that's what we need for the

:29:44. > :29:50.moment isn't it. Everyone here has their own way of

:29:51. > :30:07.dealing with the attacks. While living with the consequences.

:30:08. > :30:11.This programme has been told that hundreds of thousands of council

:30:12. > :30:13.and housing association homes in England could be lost

:30:14. > :30:15.if the Government's home ownership plans are approved.

:30:16. > :30:17.He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity

:30:18. > :30:20.Today former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic will find

:30:21. > :30:22.out his fate at the International Criminal Tribunal in The Hague.

:30:23. > :30:30.We will look back at what happened two decades ago.

:30:31. > :30:35.This just in from the French news agency AFP, they are reporting the

:30:36. > :30:39.Paras attack suspect Salah Abdeslam, who was detained in Brussels last

:30:40. > :30:43.Friday, is now saying that he wants to be extradited to France, quote,

:30:44. > :30:47.as soon as possible, to face charges, according to his lawyer.

:30:48. > :30:52.Salah Abdeslam told me that he wishes to leave for France as soon

:30:53. > :30:57.as possible, I will ask the investigating magistrate not to

:30:58. > :31:01.oppose his departure, that is an about turn because initially his

:31:02. > :31:02.lawyer was suggesting they would fight extradition from Belgium to

:31:03. > :31:05.France. Annita is in the BBC Newsroom

:31:06. > :31:08.and has more on that and a summary Police in Brussels are continuing

:31:09. > :31:17.their search for a suspect, pictured wearing a white jacket

:31:18. > :31:20.on CCTV footage at the airport shortly before the attacks

:31:21. > :31:22.took on Tuesday. It's thought he escaped

:31:23. > :31:24.after his two accomplices 31 people have been confirmed dead

:31:25. > :31:28.with hundreds more injured, Here, the Defence Secretary,

:31:29. > :31:31.Michael Fallon, has said the terror threat shows this isn't the time

:31:32. > :31:35.to be leaving the European Union. He was speaking after a former head

:31:36. > :31:40.of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, argued that a British exit

:31:41. > :31:43.could lead to important security gains for the UK, including greater

:31:44. > :31:45.control over immigration A UN war crimes tribunal

:31:46. > :31:52.is to return its verdict today in the case of the former

:31:53. > :31:54.Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan He's accused of genocide and crimes

:31:55. > :31:59.against humanity related to the war At least 100,000 people

:32:00. > :32:06.died in the conflict, before an American-brokered peace

:32:07. > :32:08.deal brought the fighting Police are appealing for information

:32:09. > :32:13.after two women were murdered The attacks took place in different

:32:14. > :32:17.locations yesterday evening. A 34-year-old man has been arrested

:32:18. > :32:22.on suspicion of murder Australia says aircraft debris found

:32:23. > :32:28.off the coast of Mozambique is almost certainly from missing

:32:29. > :32:32.Malaysian Airlines plane MH370. Two parts of a plane were found

:32:33. > :32:38.separately by members of the public and were flown to Australia

:32:39. > :32:40.last month for analysis. Flight MH370 vanished in March 2014

:32:41. > :32:48.with 238 people on board. The bodies of a man and a woman have

:32:49. > :32:53.been found by rescuers searching for two climbers who've been missing

:32:54. > :32:56.on Ben Nevis since February. Rachel Slater and Tim Newton,

:32:57. > :32:59.from Bradford, failed to return from an outing on the mountain

:33:00. > :33:01.and hazardous weather hampered Police Scotland said

:33:02. > :33:07.the families of the two climbers That's a summary of

:33:08. > :33:11.the latest BBC News - The latest sport now

:33:12. > :33:23.with Will Perry. The 11 time grand slam champion

:33:24. > :33:27.Novak Djokovic has apologised to a number of leading female tennis

:33:28. > :33:31.players and spoken to Andy Murray, who criticised the world number one

:33:32. > :33:34.following comments he made on Sunday. Djokovic suggested male

:33:35. > :33:37.players should earn more as they generate more income but he claims

:33:38. > :33:42.he was referring to more play across the board and said, I feel sorry if

:33:43. > :33:46.in any way I heard Mike female colleague tennis players, I have a

:33:47. > :33:50.huge respect for all of them. England's cricketers need to win

:33:51. > :33:54.against Sri Lanka to keep on track for the semifinals at the World T20.

:33:55. > :33:57.They were not good enough, according to Captain Owen Morgan, as they

:33:58. > :34:05.narrowly avoided embarrassment to beat Afghanistan by 15 runs.

:34:06. > :34:10.Wales meet Northern Ireland tonight ahead of the euros in a friendly.

:34:11. > :34:14.Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey are out of the vendor due to injury.

:34:15. > :34:16.A loss of 370,000 council and housing association homes

:34:17. > :34:23.by 2020 is what we're facing if current Government housing policy

:34:24. > :34:26.continues the way it's going - that's what the Chair

:34:27. > :34:30.of the Chartered Institute of Housing has told this programme.

:34:31. > :34:44.David Cameron has said housing is a top priority for the Government

:34:45. > :34:47.- he has promised to build 1 million homes this parliament,

:34:48. > :34:49.carry out massive estate regeneration and, if a Bill

:34:50. > :34:51.going through parliament at the moment becomes law,

:34:52. > :34:53.will be offering housing association tenants in England the chance

:34:54. > :34:56.to buy their own homes under a right-to-buy scheme which only

:34:57. > :34:58.people living in council properties are currently entitled to.

:34:59. > :35:01.But the Government also wants to make some more controversial

:35:02. > :35:03.changes, like charging on or near market rents to people

:35:04. > :35:05.in social housing who earn ?30,000 outside London

:35:06. > :35:19.Our reporter Jim Reed has been taking a look at these changes.

:35:20. > :35:23.It is being billed as the biggest shake-up in housing since the '80s.

:35:24. > :35:26.An ambitious plan to build more so we all pay less.

:35:27. > :35:29.Its critics say it could kill off affordable council housing

:35:30. > :35:38.If what they want is ghettos and to kick out the poor,

:35:39. > :35:40.then, you know, carry on what you are doing.

:35:41. > :35:51.I would love somebody to answer that because I have never known it

:35:52. > :36:08.I knew I would probably have to leave this house

:36:09. > :36:10.because of my landlord dying last year.

:36:11. > :36:17.The shock is being in the situation that I can't find anywhere to live,

:36:18. > :36:25.Tam Avery lives with her teenage son a few hundred meters

:36:26. > :36:30.She's worked all her life then last year she had a fall,

:36:31. > :36:35.Now she's got to move in a few weeks and she is running out of options.

:36:36. > :36:38.I've been looking for it must be now 14 weeks,

:36:39. > :36:46.15 weeks, and privately I can't find anywhere to live and the main reason

:36:47. > :36:57.Nobody wants housing benefit, and the council say there is not

:36:58. > :37:00.enough properties and when there is one there are nearly 100 people

:37:01. > :37:09.There are around 5000 council properties in this part of Kent.

:37:10. > :37:13.There are 2500 people on the waiting list for social housing.

:37:14. > :37:16.At the same time, there's a real shortage of affordable private

:37:17. > :37:20.Most landlords simply refuse to take tenants on housing benefit.

:37:21. > :37:26.I am stuck in the middle of no-man's-land.

:37:27. > :37:32.Where do people go when they can't get a private rental and they can't

:37:33. > :37:39.I would love somebody to answer that because I have never known it

:37:40. > :37:50.If she stays here, she will eventually be evicted and can

:37:51. > :37:54.Then the council may have to put the family

:37:55. > :38:00.The other option is to move back into her parents'

:38:01. > :38:11.I will end up sharing a bedroom with my 16-year-old son.

:38:12. > :38:23.It shouldn't be this way and it shouldn't be my only option.

:38:24. > :38:26.On housing there is one fact everyone agrees with.

:38:27. > :38:31.We are just not building enough to keep up with our growing population.

:38:32. > :38:34.We need more than 200,000 new properties every year.

:38:35. > :38:47.a new housing bill is going through Parliament.

:38:48. > :38:49.The Prime Minister says he wants to turn generation rent

:38:50. > :38:57.He owns his home, I own my home, why won't we let those 1.3 million

:38:58. > :39:04.In the 1980s, Margaret Thatcher gave millions of people living in council

:39:05. > :39:12.houses the right to save up and buy their own home.

:39:13. > :39:15.Now the Government wants to extend that right to the 1.3 million people

:39:16. > :39:19.who live in housing association properties.

:39:20. > :39:21.That is not-for-profit organisations which provide social housing in many

:39:22. > :39:29.I have been living here now for 13 years.

:39:30. > :39:32.All the children play out in the streets and the kids

:39:33. > :39:43.You can see it is quite a shabby area where the shed was.

:39:44. > :39:47.Fiona Daly has spent a decent chunk of her own money doing up a housing

:39:48. > :39:53.authority home to better look after her disabled daughter.

:39:54. > :39:57.Now she sees the chance to own her own place

:39:58. > :40:01.I have actually looked into it myself and I could buy this

:40:02. > :40:07.Then I could resell it for 330,000, so I would have a very good

:40:08. > :40:13.It would be nice not to have the worry when we do retire

:40:14. > :40:17.and we've got this as our security and we don't have to worry

:40:18. > :40:23.about paying rent for the rest of our lives.

:40:24. > :40:27.Tenants will be given a discount up to 103,000 off the market price.

:40:28. > :40:31.20,000 families have already registered an interest.

:40:32. > :40:36.Others worry about the long-term effects of the policy.

:40:37. > :40:40.It is here in cities like Sheffield that it could bite.

:40:41. > :40:49.Tens of thousands of council houses have already been sold off under

:40:50. > :40:52.These will provide social rented homes for round about

:40:53. > :40:59.New social housing is being built to replace them,

:41:00. > :41:00.like this development 15 minutes

:41:01. > :41:05.Some of them are one-bedrooms and we have duplos there.

:41:06. > :41:10.These will be available for ?100 a week, well under the market rate.

:41:11. > :41:12.But the worry is houses like this will not be replaced again

:41:13. > :41:25.These homes behind me here, for example, if we are making them

:41:26. > :41:28.available for the right-to-buy, we will be selling them at a lot

:41:29. > :41:30.less than the homes cost us to build.

:41:31. > :41:33.In particular a lot less than it would cost us to replace.

:41:34. > :41:35.Our average value of a home that we will be selling

:41:36. > :41:39.To replace them costs on average ?120,000.

:41:40. > :41:44.We don't want to be seeing the stock that we are managing decline.

:41:45. > :41:53.It is not what the region needs, it is not what the economy needs.

:41:54. > :41:55.We want to be able to replace one-for-one.

:41:56. > :41:57.Much easier to do that if you are in London

:41:58. > :42:01.That is because house prices are so much higher in the South,

:42:02. > :42:04.so selling off a property there means there should be more

:42:05. > :42:06.than enough money to build another one.

:42:07. > :42:08.That might not be the case in cities like Sheffield.

:42:09. > :42:11.The Government has said housing associations will be compensated

:42:12. > :42:16.and can opt out, but many are not convinced.

:42:17. > :42:21.People who want to rent can't rent at affordable rates.

:42:22. > :42:24.People who want to buy can't buy at affordable levels.

:42:25. > :42:27.A year ago Teri Alafat was one of the most senior civil servants

:42:28. > :42:31.in the Government's housing department.

:42:32. > :42:35.Now she runs the Chartered Institute of Housing, an independent body.

:42:36. > :42:38.Our problem with the bill now is that it is very focused

:42:39. > :42:41.on delivering the supply that we need through home ownership.

:42:42. > :42:48.We definitely think that we need more social housing and the reason

:42:49. > :42:52.for that is that if you look across the developed world,

:42:53. > :42:54.if you look at it historically, there is always about 20-25%

:42:55. > :42:58.of the population who cannot afford to own their own home or to rent

:42:59. > :43:06.What are we going to do about those groups of people

:43:07. > :43:08.going into the future if we allow social housing

:43:09. > :43:19.The Chartered Institute now thinks we could see the loss of another

:43:20. > :43:27.370,000 low-cost social homes in the next four years.

:43:28. > :43:30.That is almost one in ten properties, or a city

:43:31. > :43:33.The Government disputes those figures and says it has been

:43:34. > :43:35.building more council houses than the previous

:43:36. > :43:41.But ministers also want to make better use of the homes we have got

:43:42. > :43:43.and that has led to the most controversial part of

:43:44. > :43:51.Under pay-to-stay, households earning more than ?30,000 a year

:43:52. > :43:54.will have to start paying more to rent their council house.

:43:55. > :43:57.The details have yet to be worked out but there will be a sliding

:43:58. > :44:04.scale with higher earners paying the full market rate.

:44:05. > :44:15.As you go up, you have the living room, where we watch telly and do

:44:16. > :44:29.And over here, you will find the kitchen.

:44:30. > :44:31.Salina came to this country from Portugal when she was 15.

:44:32. > :44:34.She now works as a language teacher in an inner-city school in North

:44:35. > :44:38.I would prefer not to show you upstairs because it is like

:44:39. > :44:42.She and her husband bring home more than ?40,000 between them.

:44:43. > :44:45.At the moment she pays ?160 per week rent for her two-bed flat

:44:46. > :44:48.From next year she could be paying much more.

:44:49. > :44:53.In a place like Islington it could be, for my flat,

:44:54. > :45:04.It is impossible for somebody on ?40,000 to pay.

:45:05. > :45:08.My daughter is 12 and she is in the local school at EGA and I am

:45:09. > :45:11.going to have to tell her we might have to move out of London

:45:12. > :45:15.If what they want is ghettos and to kick out the poor,

:45:16. > :45:18.then, you know, carry on what you are doing.

:45:19. > :45:21.But it is not right, it is just not right.

:45:22. > :45:25.What do you say to people who might look at your situation and think,

:45:26. > :45:27."You earn a decent wage, your husband earns a decent wage,

:45:28. > :45:31.we can't live in a society where social housing

:45:32. > :45:38.I have thought about this very carefully.

:45:39. > :45:41.When I got social housing, it was when I needed it.

:45:42. > :45:44.I know there are families who need it now.

:45:45. > :45:51.But the way the Government is looking at it, calling us rich

:45:52. > :45:53.tenants, I cannot be considered a rich tenant when I can't

:45:54. > :45:57.What is wrong is that market rent is so out of control.

:45:58. > :46:04.Yes, I accept that London has become very expensive but at some point

:46:05. > :46:13.Who is going to live in central London?

:46:14. > :46:19.The sleek glass skyscrapers going up just a few hundred metres away

:46:20. > :46:23.would suggest those customers are out there somewhere.

:46:24. > :46:25.To some this is a sign of progress and growth,

:46:26. > :46:28.to others a signal that it is time to move on, whether of course

:46:29. > :46:37.You can watch and share that film online through our programme page.

:46:38. > :46:49.Later at 10:15 we'll be hearing from Housing Minister Brandon Lewis

:46:50. > :46:52.and speaking with a group of people affected by these housing changes.

:46:53. > :46:54.If you're live in a housing association house, do you welcome

:46:55. > :46:59.Are you going to be affected by the new pay to stay rules?

:47:00. > :47:20.Still to come, the latest from Brussels as the lawyers for the

:47:21. > :47:23.Paris attacks suspect, Salah Abdeslam says he won't fight

:47:24. > :47:27.extradition from Belgium to France. Former Bosnian Serb leader

:47:28. > :47:30.Radovan Karadzic, the man accused of war crimes including the worst

:47:31. > :47:32.mass killing on European soil since World War II, will find out

:47:33. > :47:35.this lunchtime his fate at the International

:47:36. > :47:39.Tribunal in The Hague. First indicted for war crimes

:47:40. > :47:44.by the United Nations 21 years ago, he faces 11 charges of genocide,

:47:45. > :47:49.crimes against humanity and breaches of the Geneva Convention

:47:50. > :47:54.for his role in the Bosnian War, including the Srebrenica massacre

:47:55. > :47:59.in 1995 where Bosnian Serb forces killed more than 8,000

:48:00. > :48:02.Bosnian Muslims who were meant to be During his five year trial

:48:03. > :48:08.where he defended himself, Mr Karadzic said he has a clear

:48:09. > :48:12.conscience and there was 'no shred The civil war in

:48:13. > :48:21.Bosnia was horrific. The world watched in horror

:48:22. > :48:25.in the way the world is watching the civil war in

:48:26. > :48:27.Syria now in horror. The charges against Karadzic

:48:28. > :48:31.by the International War Crimes Tribunal, well, there are 11

:48:32. > :48:35.counts, specifically that he was the political

:48:36. > :48:38.mastermind behind the massacre That was the worst massacre

:48:39. > :48:51.in Europe since the Second World Thousands of unarmed Muslim men

:48:52. > :49:03.and boys in Bosnia were massacred. He is also accused of masterminding

:49:04. > :49:06.ethnic cleansing, when hundreds of thousand of people were just

:49:07. > :49:10.driven from their homes in Bosnia. And also the siege of Sarajevo,

:49:11. > :49:12.the capital of Bosnia. There was sniper fire,

:49:13. > :49:18.there was mortar fire, Well, the wheels of justice

:49:19. > :49:23.on Karadzic have moved really The hearing against him

:49:24. > :49:29.began way back in 2008 It was very bizarre when they did

:49:30. > :49:39.find him because he was hiding He had grown a huge,

:49:40. > :49:47.bushy beard, he had big, thick-rimmed spectacles,

:49:48. > :49:49.and he was a New Age healer with an assumed name,

:49:50. > :49:53.a false identity. He was carrying out lectures

:49:54. > :49:56.in alternative medicine. He even had a website

:49:57. > :50:01.offering advice to people I did actually catch up with him

:50:02. > :50:06.just before he went on the run. And are you guilty

:50:07. > :50:08.of war crimes? I am President and I make my

:50:09. > :50:14.decisions and give my orders that are all known in public and we have

:50:15. > :50:20.never issued any wrong order. I think campaigners

:50:21. > :50:24.for international justice think it is really important to put

:50:25. > :50:28.on trial people who are accused of war crimes in however

:50:29. > :50:32.many years it takes. And it has taken a number

:50:33. > :50:35.of years with Karadzic, both to capture him

:50:36. > :50:41.and put him on trial. They would say, the International

:50:42. > :50:49.War Crimes Tribunal, that partly it is a deterrent

:50:50. > :50:52.to stop other despots and dictators in the future carrying out terrible

:50:53. > :50:55.atrocities and war Other people will say actually quite

:50:56. > :50:59.a lot of people have been prosecuted and convicted at the war

:51:00. > :51:02.crimes tribunal and there are still terrible atrocities going

:51:03. > :51:05.on even now in places like Syria. Bob Donia gave evidence

:51:06. > :51:11.during the trial as an expert witness, and was cross-examined

:51:12. > :51:25.by Radovan Karadzic himself. Let's talk to Bob now. How would you

:51:26. > :51:40.describe describe Radovan car joining? As a cross-examiner, he was

:51:41. > :51:43.methodical, Aggressive and determined to get the answers he

:51:44. > :51:48.wanted from me and other witnesses for that matter. I walked away

:51:49. > :51:55.feeling that his most distinguishing trait was that he had enormous

:51:56. > :52:02.powers of persuasion and a wide repertoire of strategies he'd use to

:52:03. > :52:10.persuade people. The other thing that characterised him was a great

:52:11. > :52:14.ability to change moods and approaches seamlessly depending on

:52:15. > :52:21.what the situation called for. He could be calm and even charming and

:52:22. > :52:27.cooperative and inviting and then 30 second on the later he would show a

:52:28. > :52:31.burst of anger if an effort to get what he wanted from me, the

:52:32. > :52:37.respondent. What specifically were you giving evidence about, Mr Donia?

:52:38. > :52:45.I was an historical expert witness, so my task was to provide the judges

:52:46. > :52:53.with a background of the events prior to and around the time of the

:52:54. > :53:07.deeds alleged in the indictment. I did that and then learnt that in the

:53:08. > :53:11.cross-examination, that Karadzic relied on the perpetual persecution

:53:12. > :53:21.of the Serb people and of himself. So much of our exchanges centred on

:53:22. > :53:25.the history of the Serb people and of Bosnia in the several years prior

:53:26. > :53:30.to the time the war broke out. He was tried for leading the

:53:31. > :53:36.slaughter of thousands of Bosnia Muslims and Croats. What with was

:53:37. > :53:44.his defence? Well, he first of all is, was and remains in deep Dee Nile

:53:45. > :53:57.about the -- denial about the deeds that he touched off or set in

:53:58. > :54:01.motion. He totally denied responsibility for anything. The

:54:02. > :54:05.other part of his defence was that the Serb people did nothing wrong.

:54:06. > :54:11.There were crimes committed but they were committed by elements that were

:54:12. > :54:17.rogue elements or paramilitaries which were not legitimately a part

:54:18. > :54:20.of the Serb people. How significant could today's

:54:21. > :54:31.judgment be and what are you expecting? I think it's going to be

:54:32. > :54:36.a landmark event. Not only in the history of the trials of alleged war

:54:37. > :54:44.criminals at The Hague, but also in the history of the tribunal which

:54:45. > :54:49.has been plagued for the last several years with rather

:54:50. > :54:52.inconsistent judgments and certain amounts of internal disagreement

:54:53. > :54:57.among the judges. I think it's a very important decision, both to

:54:58. > :55:04.secure the legacy of the tribunal and to show that these crimes can't

:55:05. > :55:12.be committed with impunity any more. I think it's fair to expect that he

:55:13. > :55:16.will be convicted on at least some of the charges, apart from genocide,

:55:17. > :55:25.that is the crimes against humanity and violation of the laws in customs

:55:26. > :55:30.of war. The yen side charges, it's very difficult to predict or foresee

:55:31. > :55:35.what the judges will do -- the genocide charges. The charges

:55:36. > :55:41.pertaining to Srebrenica have been litigated before in other cases and

:55:42. > :55:46.other persons have been found guilty of actually committing genocide or

:55:47. > :55:51.aiding and abetting genocide. So there's certainly reason to believe

:55:52. > :56:02.that Karadzic will also be convicted on that count. Sorry, do finish your

:56:03. > :56:09.sentence. On the other hand, the charge of genocide in 1992 is going

:56:10. > :56:14.to be a very difficult one for the prosecutors to prevail on. That has

:56:15. > :56:19.also been litigated on before but without success in some other cases.

:56:20. > :56:21.Thank you very much for your time today, Bob Donia, who gave evidence

:56:22. > :56:26.at the trial of Radovan Karadzic. Now let's talk with Guy Delauney

:56:27. > :56:29.in Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia, for us this morning where

:56:30. > :56:40.the verdict will be shown Guy, firstly is it still the plan to

:56:41. > :56:45.have the verdict live this lunch time? We are not having a screen

:56:46. > :56:50.here, the weather put paid to that, but people will be keenly following

:56:51. > :56:55.events. I've been speaking to all sorts of people about what they are

:56:56. > :56:58.going to do. You can see this green monument, a monument to the children

:56:59. > :57:04.killed during the siege of Sarajevo. There were more than 500 names

:57:05. > :57:08.inscribed on that monument. In fact, an estimated 1600 children were

:57:09. > :57:12.killed during the siege of Sarajevo and that's one of the key charges

:57:13. > :57:17.against Radovan Karadzic that he knowingly ordered those under his

:57:18. > :57:20.command to shell and snipe civilians in Sarajevo during the four-year

:57:21. > :57:26.siege of this city. Down there yesterday, I spoke to a man who'd

:57:27. > :57:31.lost his 13-year-old son to a hand grenade attack in 1992. He described

:57:32. > :57:35.Radovan Karadzic as the worst man in the Balkans and said he and other

:57:36. > :57:38.parents who'd lost children would be planning to waffle together today in

:57:39. > :57:44.an association that they have. They would be watching the verdict today

:57:45. > :57:49.very keenly -- planning to watch together. He said he could never

:57:50. > :57:54.forgive what had happened but wanted Bosnia to move on. Thank you very

:57:55. > :57:58.much. Still to come, Adam Johnson will be sentenced this morning after

:57:59. > :58:02.being found guilty of sexual activity with a 15-year-old

:58:03. > :58:05.schoolgirl. The NSPCC are calling for the Football Association to do

:58:06. > :58:12.more to protect children. We'll talk to them in the next hour. Time for

:58:13. > :58:16.the latest weather now with Carol. Good morning. This weekend we have

:58:17. > :58:20.got a bit of everything. Stronger winds, spells of rain and also some

:58:21. > :58:24.sunshine. We have started off on a dry and bright note across central

:58:25. > :58:27.and eastern areas. Rain and gusty winds already in the north and west

:58:28. > :58:32.will continue to push south through the course of the day, eventually

:58:33. > :58:37.getting into the far south-east and east later. Brighter skies, sunshine

:58:38. > :58:40.and showers will be the case this afternoon across Northern Ireland.

:58:41. > :58:46.Temperatures roughly where they should be at this stage in navrmt

:58:47. > :58:53.for Scotland, a similar story -- for stage in March. Sunny spells and

:58:54. > :59:02.showers in Scotland. The showers continuing behind the band of rain

:59:03. > :59:06.down towards the Peak District. Parts of Kent staying dry until

:59:07. > :59:11.later, but the rain is coming your way. Across the south, we are back

:59:12. > :59:15.under that rain and, despite the temperatures, it will feel chillier

:59:16. > :59:20.if you are stuck under it. The same in Wales, the rain becomes ensconced

:59:21. > :59:23.into the afternoon and early part of the the evening. Through the

:59:24. > :59:30.overnight period, fronts bringing this rain will continue to edge off

:59:31. > :59:35.into the near continent. Just the back edge of the rain clinging on.

:59:36. > :59:38.The temperatures will drop tomorrow. Where the cloud breaks in the north,

:59:39. > :59:43.we could see pockets of frost. Then we lose the rain, which clears off

:59:44. > :59:47.to the near continent completely. High pressure leaving us with a

:59:48. > :59:51.settled day and lengthy sunny spells. The wind will strengthen,

:59:52. > :59:54.the cloud will build and that's ahead of the next weather front

:59:55. > :59:58.coming our way. That front during the course of Saturday will be

:59:59. > :00:00.moving from the west to the east, again accompanied by windy

:00:01. > :00:02.conditions and we'll be looking at coastal gales as well. By the time

:00:03. > :01:22.we get properties, and when there is one,

:01:23. > :01:25.there were nearly 100 people going for it.

:01:26. > :01:28.All that to come, but first Annita is in the BBC Newsroom

:01:29. > :01:30.for us with the latest on fast-developing events in

:01:31. > :01:37.Police in Brussels are continuing their search for a suspect,

:01:38. > :01:40.pictured wearing a white jacket on CCTV footage at the airport

:01:41. > :01:42.shortly before the attacks took on Tuesday.

:01:43. > :01:44.It's thought he escaped after his two accomplices

:01:45. > :01:49.31 people have been confirmed dead with hundreds more injured,

:01:50. > :01:57.Salah Abdeslam - one of the suspects in last year's Paris terror attacks-

:01:58. > :02:03.will not fight extradition from Belgium.

:02:04. > :02:05.He was arrested and wounded in a police raid on Friday

:02:06. > :02:09.His lawyer said that he wants to return to France to explain

:02:10. > :02:22.TRANSLATION: Salah Abdeslam have asked to be extradited to France,

:02:23. > :02:27.the process will take approximately two weeks. On March 31 he will

:02:28. > :02:30.appear in court to execute the European extradition warrant, we

:02:31. > :02:34.need 15 days to finish the process but there will be no appeal or

:02:35. > :02:36.challenge, we will implement his wish and this is a good thing.

:02:37. > :02:39.Here, the Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has said the terror

:02:40. > :02:42.threat shows this isn't the time to be leaving the European Union.

:02:43. > :02:44.He was speaking after a former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove,

:02:45. > :02:47.argued that a British exit could lead to important security

:02:48. > :02:49.gains for the UK, including greater control over immigration

:02:50. > :02:59.A UN war crimes tribunal is to return its verdict today

:03:00. > :03:01.in the case of the former Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan

:03:02. > :03:05.He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity related to the war

:03:06. > :03:10.At least 100,000 people died in the conflict,

:03:11. > :03:12.before an American-brokered peace deal brought the fighting

:03:13. > :03:23.Adam Johnson, the ex-Sunderland football player, has arrived at

:03:24. > :03:27.court and is due to be sentenced after he was found guilty of one

:03:28. > :03:31.count of six-year-old activity with a 15-year-old schoolgirl. Johnson

:03:32. > :03:34.was told by a judge he faced a substantial prison sentence after he

:03:35. > :03:39.was found guilty of one offence of six-year-old activity with a child

:03:40. > :03:42.by a jury earlier this month. The winger had already admitted another

:03:43. > :03:44.count of the same offence and also grooming the teenager.

:03:45. > :03:47.Police are appealing for information after two women were murdered

:03:48. > :03:50.The attacks took place in different locations yesterday evening.

:03:51. > :03:54.A 34-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder

:03:55. > :04:00.Australia says aircraft debris found off the coast of Mozambique

:04:01. > :04:06.is almost certainly from missing Malaysian Airlines plane MH370.

:04:07. > :04:10.Two parts of a plane were found separately by members of the public

:04:11. > :04:13.and were flown to Australia last month for analysis.

:04:14. > :04:24.Flight MH370 vanished in March 2014 with 238 people on board.

:04:25. > :04:27.The bodies of a man and a woman have been found by rescuers searching

:04:28. > :04:31.for two climbers who've been missing on Ben Nevis since February.

:04:32. > :04:35.Rachel Slater and Tim Newton, from Bradford, failed to return

:04:36. > :04:37.from an outing on the mountain and hazardous weather hampered

:04:38. > :04:43.Police Scotland said the families of the two climbers

:04:44. > :04:52.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, Victoria -

:04:53. > :04:55.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:04:56. > :05:00.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:05:01. > :05:04.I have got some comments from you about housing, I will read those

:05:05. > :05:07.after the sport. Wales and Northern Ireland meet

:05:08. > :05:10.for the first time in 12 years tonight for a friendly in Cardiff

:05:11. > :05:13.as both gear up for a long awaited appearance at a major tournament

:05:14. > :05:15.at the Euros this summer. Wales have plenty of injuries

:05:16. > :05:18.with key players Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey missing

:05:19. > :05:20.out this evening. We can go live to the Cardiff City

:05:21. > :05:34.Stadium and say good morning Good morning. Tonight is a chance

:05:35. > :05:38.for two history making teams to test each other, both having waited

:05:39. > :05:42.decades the tournament football. For Wales, 58 years of pain and waiting,

:05:43. > :05:48.just two months to go now. Getting to that tournament was no small

:05:49. > :05:51.measure down to the talents of Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey, both

:05:52. > :05:55.missing tonight, but Chris Coleman said it is an opportunity to show

:05:56. > :05:59.they are more than a one or two man team, that they have other key

:06:00. > :06:04.players who have got them over the line, so expect a slightly different

:06:05. > :06:07.line-up, maybe younger talent coming through, possibly some young players

:06:08. > :06:11.getting their chance to stake a claim for a place in that squad that

:06:12. > :06:21.will fly to France in June. According to Chris Coleman, it might

:06:22. > :06:24.be a friendly but it will be feisty, he wants his team to show they have

:06:25. > :06:26.a bit of metal without the big-name players, he says they should take

:06:27. > :06:28.pride in every appearance they make for Wales.

:06:29. > :06:31.I'm looking forward to it, two important games for us, as it always

:06:32. > :06:36.is. I know everybody says two friendly games, but I have never

:06:37. > :06:39.gone into a game playing for Wales thinking that it didn't matter,

:06:40. > :06:46.neither do the players. So it is a big one for us. What

:06:47. > :06:51.about their opponents, Northern Ireland? They have had just 30 year

:06:52. > :06:55.wait, short by comparison for major tournament football, and they go

:06:56. > :06:59.into it in very, very good form, unbeaten in eight games and so

:07:00. > :07:03.Michael O'Neill said to his players they need to carry on that momentum

:07:04. > :07:10.if they are going to make any sort of mark when they reach France in

:07:11. > :07:14.June. Then might be disappointed that there is no Gareth Bale or

:07:15. > :07:20.Aaron Ramsey this evening to test their mettle because their opponents

:07:21. > :07:25.this evening will be pretty tough, but they said they will concentrate

:07:26. > :07:29.tonight despite the line-up, because they need to make an expression.

:07:30. > :07:34.-- an impression. We are going to play against brilliant individual

:07:35. > :07:39.players, which Arab Baylis, and Aaron Ramsey as well, which is in

:07:40. > :07:43.notice respect to the rest of the squad, who are all great

:07:44. > :07:46.international players. It would have been good for our preparation to

:07:47. > :07:52.have to deal with that, but equally the fact they are not playing sets

:07:53. > :07:56.us a different challenge. So we are told tonight it will be

:07:57. > :08:00.more feisty than friendly, lots of players battling to prove a point

:08:01. > :08:01.that they are worthy of a place when the European Championships, round in

:08:02. > :08:04.June. Scotland are also in action tonight,

:08:05. > :08:07.they're playing a friendly That's all the sport

:08:08. > :08:10.for now Victoria. I'll have the latest headlines

:08:11. > :08:13.for you at 10.30pm. Police in Brussels investigating

:08:14. > :08:22.the airport and metro bombings which killed at least 31 people

:08:23. > :08:24.are hunting for a suspect, pictured wearing a white jacket

:08:25. > :08:27.on CCTV footage at the airport shortly before the attacks took

:08:28. > :08:28.place. It's thought he escaped

:08:29. > :08:31.after his two accomplices Unconfirmed reports suggest one

:08:32. > :08:36.of the suicide bombers was Najim Laachraoui,

:08:37. > :08:38.believed to have been involved in the planning of

:08:39. > :08:41.the Paris atrocities. Some more names and nationalities

:08:42. > :08:43.of the victims have though only a handful have been

:08:44. > :08:49.formally identified, as the city enters a second day

:08:50. > :08:52.of national mourning. A focal point for tributes

:08:53. > :08:55.is still the Place de la Bourse where our reporter Ben Brown

:08:56. > :09:09.is for us this morning What is the latest from their? I

:09:10. > :09:12.will bring you the latest we have coming in at that Salah Abdeslam,

:09:13. > :09:17.the 20 the Gibraltan was arrested last Friday, a key suspect who has

:09:18. > :09:21.been here in Brussels but who was wanted after the Paras attacks --

:09:22. > :09:25.the 26-year-old man. He was thought to have escaped after the Paras

:09:26. > :09:28.attacks from France into Belgian comedy was finally arrested after

:09:29. > :09:32.four months on the run last Friday, lots of links between him and the

:09:33. > :09:45.Paras attack of and also the Brussels

:09:46. > :09:48.attackers here, it is thought after he was arrested the other attackers

:09:49. > :09:51.may have brought forward the bombings that we saw at the airport

:09:52. > :09:54.and at the Metro. He has now said through his lawyer he does not want

:09:55. > :09:56.to be extradited to France, he was originally fighting extradition, he

:09:57. > :09:59.now says he wants to go to France as quickly as possible, he says, in

:10:00. > :10:01.order to explain himself in front, and he has said he did not know

:10:02. > :10:04.anything about the attacks that were carried out here in Brussels. The

:10:05. > :10:07.prosecution will probably take that with a pinch of salt and say that he

:10:08. > :10:09.would say that, wouldn't he, but that is the latest on Salah

:10:10. > :10:13.Abdeslam. The latest here, we're in customer

:10:14. > :10:19.balls, which has become a focal point for the grief and mourning

:10:20. > :10:26.here and you can see a makeshift shrine -- Place de la Bourse. People

:10:27. > :10:31.have been coming here to lay flowers, light candles. I will show

:10:32. > :10:34.you a bit more, there is another bigger shrine over here. This is

:10:35. > :10:40.where, through the day, people come and they want to express their

:10:41. > :10:44.sadness and their grief, and their feelings of horror, really, at what

:10:45. > :10:51.has happened here in this city. You can see some of the messages that

:10:52. > :10:56.have been laid out, peace, messages like, I am Brussels, an echo of eye

:10:57. > :11:05.and Paris and I and Charlie, after the attacks that we saw in Paris --

:11:06. > :11:09.I am Paris, I am Charlie. We can talk to Rhiannon, a student

:11:10. > :11:13.from Aberystwyth, you are living here in Belgium at the moment? Why

:11:14. > :11:25.have you come here to plaster the borders? -- Plas de la Bella was.

:11:26. > :11:28.Hearing the news, filling the secluded, it felt surreal and I came

:11:29. > :11:32.a duty to come here and pay my respects. Being here in Belgium, do

:11:33. > :11:38.you feel that there could be more attacks? I certainly think it is a

:11:39. > :11:42.possibility, but it is hard to tell, it could happen anywhere, so it is

:11:43. > :11:47.unlikely to happen in the same place twice, so really it is impossible to

:11:48. > :11:50.know. A lot of people were predicting there could be attacks in

:11:51. > :11:55.Brussels after the Paras attacks, were you almost expecting something

:11:56. > :11:58.like this to happen? Definitely, we were expecting something in November

:11:59. > :12:06.but nothing happens when you expect it to, so it has been over our heads

:12:07. > :12:12.this entire time. I just hope that the worst is over. What are your

:12:13. > :12:15.feelings after these attacks? You wanted to come here to pay your

:12:16. > :12:23.respects to the dead and remember the dead? Yes, I think it is so

:12:24. > :12:26.horrific, I feel so upset by it and so shocked, really. You can see

:12:27. > :12:31.these things on the news but you never expected to happen so close to

:12:32. > :12:36.you, and so I certainly felt a duty to come here. But you are still

:12:37. > :12:41.going to stay living in Belgium for the time being, you don't want to go

:12:42. > :12:45.back to Britain for now? I don't think it is necessary to change a

:12:46. > :12:50.big thing because of this, because then you have let them win. I want

:12:51. > :12:58.to finish my university course here, and then move home. Good to talk to

:12:59. > :13:01.you, Rhiannon, thank you so much. Let me just tell you about the

:13:02. > :13:06.latest we have on the casualty figures from the health ministry

:13:07. > :13:10.here, 31 dead is the death toll, they are saying 300 were injured in

:13:11. > :13:14.the bombings at the airport and the Metro, a huge number of casualties

:13:15. > :13:18.taken to hospitals, a lot of them suffering from burns and shrapnel

:13:19. > :13:22.injuries, too. We hear from the health ministry that they are almost

:13:23. > :13:37.injuries that you would see on a battlefield,

:13:38. > :13:41.some 60 of the injured are in intensive care, some are in a coma,

:13:42. > :13:43.they have not been identified. At the moment, the authorities having

:13:44. > :13:46.trouble identifying all of the casualties, which is making things

:13:47. > :13:47.even harder for the relatives of loved ones who are missing. That is

:13:48. > :13:53.the latest from Brussels. Here, a former head of MI6,

:13:54. > :13:55.Sir Richard Dearlove, has questioned claims that leaving

:13:56. > :13:57.the EU would compromise security. But the Defence Secretary,

:13:58. > :14:00.Michael Fallon, said the recent terror attacks showed the need

:14:01. > :14:03.for more cooperation with the EU. Live to Westminster and our

:14:04. > :14:06.political guru Norman Smith. Fill us in.

:14:07. > :14:08.It is interesting, the questions about the Belgian security forces,

:14:09. > :14:11.the calibre and whether they were fully on top of the situation has

:14:12. > :14:18.really sparked a debate here about whether we were safer in other

:14:19. > :14:28.outside of the European Union. People like Theresa May, David

:14:29. > :14:34.Cameron, by and large saying that we are safer in, but this morning we

:14:35. > :14:37.had the former head of MI6, one of our top former spooks, man called

:14:38. > :14:42.Sir Richard Dearlove, basically saying, no, that is wrong. Let me

:14:43. > :14:47.give you the exact quote from Sir Richard Dearlove. He said: The cost

:14:48. > :14:53.to Britain would be low in security terms from leaving the EU.

:14:54. > :14:58.What is interesting about his argument, he is not basing it just

:14:59. > :15:02.around arguments of what sort of controls we have over our borders if

:15:03. > :15:08.we remain in the EU, he is questioning basically whether EU

:15:09. > :15:15.security bodies are good enough, because he says organisations like

:15:16. > :15:19.Europol, the European law-enforcement agency, is of little

:15:20. > :15:25.consequence. He says that because you have got 28 different countries

:15:26. > :15:29.all sitting around a table... Excuse me, we have got a fire alarm going

:15:30. > :15:33.on here, probably better if you come back to me in a bit because in my

:15:34. > :15:36.experience this can go on for some time and is quite annoying and quite

:15:37. > :15:38.loud, so we probably should just leave this for the time being, I

:15:39. > :15:50.think. Yesterday, John Reid told us he

:15:51. > :15:57.thought a further terrorist attack in Britain was now inevitable.

:15:58. > :16:02.Unfortunately, we can't guarantee, nor can any Government, that this

:16:03. > :16:05.sort of thing won't happen. Politicians ought to be honest with

:16:06. > :16:10.the British people and tell them, this will happen, this will happen,

:16:11. > :16:16.and it will happen here because the terrorists only have to get through

:16:17. > :16:21.once so we can quote the statistics and how many plots have been foiled,

:16:22. > :16:25.but the terrorists will get through. So you are expecting another attack,

:16:26. > :16:32.another terrorist attack in this country at some point in the future?

:16:33. > :16:38.Yes, yes I am. I don't think that's a secret because, as you know, we

:16:39. > :16:42.are at the second highest level of threat which is severe which means a

:16:43. > :16:45.terrorist attack is likely. And Britain has been at that threat

:16:46. > :16:50.level for some time? For some time. When I was Home Secretary, it was

:16:51. > :16:55.moved up to critical which means not only is an attack likely but we have

:16:56. > :17:00.information that it's imminent. It's different in the UK from, for

:17:01. > :17:05.instance, Belgium and I think you were raising some difficult issues

:17:06. > :17:10.in your previous interview. With the ambassador? Yes. At a time like

:17:11. > :17:13.this, our first thought is for the victims and condolences and

:17:14. > :17:21.solidarity with the nations and the individuals who've been affected.

:17:22. > :17:25.But, you know, you have to have a delicate and difficult balance with

:17:26. > :17:31.the issues raised. Belgium's historically had a degree of

:17:32. > :17:34.political instability. I think it's recognised that their Intelligence

:17:35. > :17:42.Services aren't as integrated in working together as perhaps ours are

:17:43. > :17:44.now. We use the police in a relationship with the Intelligence

:17:45. > :17:50.Services because, on the ground in the communities, you can pick up

:17:51. > :17:54.some pretty vital information and I think we are quite well resourced.

:17:55. > :17:57.John Reid talking to us yesterday. Let's look at what is being done to

:17:58. > :18:03.prevent terror attacks from happening in the UK. Frank Armstrong

:18:04. > :18:07.is former assistant commissioner of the City of London police who looked

:18:08. > :18:11.after Tony Blair when he was Prime Minister and the aviation security

:18:12. > :18:14.expert Matthew Finn is in our Westminster studio. Frank, do you

:18:15. > :18:20.agree with John Reid? I think John Reid makes a very good point. It's

:18:21. > :18:26.possible, Victoria. You have to look at the facts. In the last three

:18:27. > :18:29.years, there has been a 57% increase in arrests related to terrorism.

:18:30. > :18:34.There are a number of outstanding trials which still have to come to

:18:35. > :18:38.court. There were convictions yesterday, potential drive-by

:18:39. > :18:42.shooting. Looking at all the facts, Brussels, Paris, a Eurostar trip

:18:43. > :18:46.away from London, I think, you know, we do need to be concerned, we do

:18:47. > :18:51.need to be vigilant. The threat level severe and has been for some

:18:52. > :18:56.time as I said to John Reid yesterday but it's not been raised

:18:57. > :19:00.to the highest level which means an attack is imminent, that's surely

:19:01. > :19:07.significant? There will have been discussions. JTAC would look at the

:19:08. > :19:12.whole picture and make recommendations. I'm sure it's been

:19:13. > :19:16.closely scrutinised. We have thwarted seven attempts in the last

:19:17. > :19:20.12 months. I'm sure the Security Services and the police are doing

:19:21. > :19:26.everything they can to make sure that the public are safe. Mr Finn

:19:27. > :19:31.you have said one-size-fits-all doesn't fit with the security in

:19:32. > :19:35.this country, what do you mean? What's required in security context

:19:36. > :19:38.is to make sure you are managing risk, a good security framework is

:19:39. > :19:42.about managing the risks as you understand them in that specific

:19:43. > :19:46.context. So what I mean by that is, what works in one airport or one

:19:47. > :19:50.part of the world would need to be adapted in a different part of the

:19:51. > :19:54.world or the airport. So if we are always applying the same tools and

:19:55. > :19:57.techniques and procedures to every single person going through

:19:58. > :20:02.security, we are missing the opportunity to actually look at the

:20:03. > :20:07.potential risks the individual travellers may pose. What we are

:20:08. > :20:10.seeing in the US for example, is a programme called TSA Pre--check.

:20:11. > :20:17.There are a lot of people in the industry looking at this. This is a

:20:18. > :20:21.way of working with data to see for example whether a person's

:20:22. > :20:26.travelling on a one-way destination ticket which may be of concern. That

:20:27. > :20:30.would potentially reveal something about that person's behaviour which

:20:31. > :20:41.would give you cause to be vigilant, screen them in a different way and

:20:42. > :20:45.focus your attention on that person. So would you check that ticket,

:20:46. > :20:47.whether it was one way or return or whatever when the passenger arrives

:20:48. > :20:51.or would you have done it before they get to the terminal? There is

:20:52. > :20:55.an interesting debate in Brussels at the moment which is nearly coming to

:20:56. > :21:01.a close and that's around a piece of data called passenger name record

:21:02. > :21:04.data or PNR. That's something the Governments across the 28 member

:21:05. > :21:09.states of the European Union are looking to use in their response to

:21:10. > :21:15.combat serious organised crime and Counter-Terrorism. So in an

:21:16. > :21:19.environment like JTAC or indeed the UK's national borders targeting

:21:20. > :21:22.centre, you could be using that data before anyone gets anywhere near the

:21:23. > :21:28.airport to see what patterns may emerge. What if they've not bought a

:21:29. > :21:31.ticket, what if they are not on a passenger list, what if, as far as

:21:32. > :21:35.we know the suicide bombers that turned up in Brussels on Tuesday may

:21:36. > :21:39.have turned up that morning without buying anything in advance, they are

:21:40. > :21:43.going to blow themselves up? That is an excellent point and that's where

:21:44. > :21:50.the distinction needs to be made because an airport is essentially

:21:51. > :21:55.divided into two parts, there's the regulated area, then the other

:21:56. > :21:59.air-side area. What we saw in Brussels, the tragedy that unfolded

:22:00. > :22:04.there was the exploitation of the soft target, the vulnerable side,

:22:05. > :22:08.the public space. So what we need to do as an industry together with

:22:09. > :22:13.Government, and this is a global issue, not just about Belgium or

:22:14. > :22:18.about Brussels, is to look holtistically at how we can secure

:22:19. > :22:22.the entire airport campus by working together using different tools,

:22:23. > :22:26.techniques, data et cetera because you are right, someone could be in

:22:27. > :22:29.that departures hall that has no business being there, they are not

:22:30. > :22:33.travelling, they are not there to say goodbye to a fellow passenger

:22:34. > :22:36.that might be leaving that day. Frank Armstrong, as a former

:22:37. > :22:40.assistant Commissioner of The City of London police, you ordered police

:22:41. > :22:46.on to the streets of the city after 9/11 and a lot of people said, that

:22:47. > :22:50.made them feel very uneasy, rather than reassuring them? What was

:22:51. > :22:55.interesting, we put additional firearms officers out on the City

:22:56. > :22:59.and because people weren't used to it, they were concerned. Since then,

:23:00. > :23:04.we have had 7/7, we have seen attacks across the globe, people are

:23:05. > :23:08.more used to seeing police officers with firearms, so it's very much

:23:09. > :23:12.about reassurance and a preventative measure. People are getting used to

:23:13. > :23:17.it and, as you see in Brussels, the Army are deployed there. At some

:23:18. > :23:21.stage, the Army could be deployed here, worst case scenario. Again,

:23:22. > :23:25.would that be for reassurance purposes? We have limited resources.

:23:26. > :23:30.If there was a state of emergency, we've got to use all the resources

:23:31. > :23:33.possible and the Army would be a last resort but in the back of our

:23:34. > :23:36.minds, we need to know they are there to assist. It's basically to

:23:37. > :23:44.keep the country safe. Thank you both very much.

:23:45. > :23:51.Still to come: Adam Johnson is running into court there this

:23:52. > :23:55.morning ahead of his sentencing for sexual activity with a 15-year-old

:23:56. > :24:03.schoolgirl. The NSPCC call on the Football Association to do more to

:24:04. > :24:08.protect children. Next, Boko Haram, the militant group based in Nigeria

:24:09. > :24:14.who kidnapped almost 300 schoolgirls two years ago. It was also in 2014

:24:15. > :24:18.that the extremists started to use female suicide bombers. As the

:24:19. > :24:23.insurgency has been pushed out of the region's towns and villages,

:24:24. > :24:28.events have taken a more sinister turn. Girls as young as 12 are being

:24:29. > :24:32.strapped with explosives and sent to blow themselves up in busy

:24:33. > :24:37.communities. In an exclusive interview for BBC Africa, Anne Soy

:24:38. > :24:42.has spoken to a teenager who risked her life to escape after being told

:24:43. > :24:45.she'd been chosen for the mission. Some details including her name and

:24:46. > :24:55.voice have been changed to protect her identity.

:24:56. > :25:01.This is Hawa, she's about 17. She married into Boko Haram and moved

:25:02. > :25:07.into one of the camps with her fighter husband. Today, she isn't

:25:08. > :25:15.meant to be alive. She's supposed to be a human bomb.

:25:16. > :25:20.Two of her friends did just that, killing themselves and 58 others,

:25:21. > :25:28.mostly women and children. Just 24 hours before she was due to

:25:29. > :25:34.detonate, she's kept the clutches of the militants and has decided to

:25:35. > :25:42.tell us her story -- she escaped the clutches of the militants. We have

:25:43. > :25:46.agreed to keep her identity secret. My first husband took me to the Boko

:25:47. > :25:52.Haram camp. He said they would take me to the bush and move all the evil

:25:53. > :25:56.spirits from my body. I knew they were Boko Haram but followed them

:25:57. > :26:04.willingly. I said, if you help me remove the sickness, I will follow

:26:05. > :26:07.you. It wasn't a pleasant life. When they came back, they would gather us

:26:08. > :26:11.and tell us about the attacks and they would ask us to study what they

:26:12. > :26:18.were teaching us. That's how we got indoctrine ated. They said, if we

:26:19. > :26:22.died, we'd enter paradise. Once, a woman went somewhere without telling

:26:23. > :26:30.them. They gathered all the women together and killed her in front of

:26:31. > :26:34.us as a warning. They shot her. They wanted me to marry again after my

:26:35. > :26:44.husband left and I said no, I won't. That's when they told me I should

:26:45. > :26:48.take the bomb. Does that mean they only asked women to be suicide

:26:49. > :26:52.bombers? Yes, when they are tired of you, they'll tell you to two on a

:26:53. > :26:58.suicide mission. We were told to detonate at a camp. I said no. Since

:26:59. > :27:02.my mum was residing in that area, I wouldn't go and kill people, I would

:27:03. > :27:06.rather go and live with my family, even if I die there. So I sneaked

:27:07. > :27:10.out very early in the morning without their knowledge. The

:27:11. > :27:15.following morning I got there. That is when I learnt there had been a

:27:16. > :27:20.bomb-blast. I saw a video of the mutilated body of one of the girls.

:27:21. > :27:27.It wasn't pleasant to see. It isn't a good thing to carry a bomb to kill

:27:28. > :27:31.fellow human beings. This is the spot where the February attack

:27:32. > :27:34.happened. There are still bloodstains on the a road, a

:27:35. > :27:38.constant reminder to residents of what happened here during that

:27:39. > :27:41.attack. Many are survivors or even lost their loved ones. We are told

:27:42. > :27:48.there was a huge crowd crossing the road from one side of the camp to

:27:49. > :27:54.the other to collect water and food. Queueing in the camp is now banned,

:27:55. > :27:59.instead the line is formed and residents sit quietly waiting for

:28:00. > :28:04.their turn. Mass cooking is forbidden. Instead, meals are

:28:05. > :28:09.prepared in small communities. All this to prevent further attacks. But

:28:10. > :28:17.people here are still scared. They can't trust anyone, not even churn

:28:18. > :28:23.children. Fatima was injured. She still can't sleep after what she's

:28:24. > :28:26.saw. TRANSLATION: We brought our

:28:27. > :28:30.containers to get water. At the same time, a soldier was trying to

:28:31. > :28:35.arrange our queues. There was this woman wearing a red veil. She had

:28:36. > :28:40.long hair. She said, can't we beat up this soldier who is trying to

:28:41. > :28:48.disperse us. When I heard that, I turned back to look at her. As soon

:28:49. > :28:51.as I walked on to the road, she shouted, pretending that her stomach

:28:52. > :28:56.was hurting her, so people rushed to help her. That was when the bomb

:28:57. > :29:02.detonated. It was like something was put around us. I saw a ball of fire.

:29:03. > :29:12.I was frightened when I saw blood all around me and the dead bodies.

:29:13. > :29:17.We are still terrified. For this woman, her ordeal is over. She

:29:18. > :29:20.finally feels safe and is planning her future outside of Boko Haram. If

:29:21. > :29:26.I will marry again, I won't have anything to do with the mill tans. I

:29:27. > :29:31.will marry if I find a suitor. I want to go to school. Had it been I

:29:32. > :29:33.went to school, I would have known everything I wanted to know. I'm so

:29:34. > :29:44.happy and excited for that. Coming up: We'll have the latest

:29:45. > :29:47.from Bradford Crown Court as former Sunderland player Adam Johnson is

:29:48. > :29:51.due to be sentenced after he was found guilty of one count of sexual

:29:52. > :29:54.activity with a 15-year-old schoolgirl.

:29:55. > :29:58.And where are you going to live? The Government says housing is a top

:29:59. > :30:02.priority but hundreds of thousands of council and Housing Association

:30:03. > :30:06.homes in England could be lost if its new plans go ahead, say critics.

:30:07. > :30:15.We'll talk to some who could be affected.

:30:16. > :30:19.Annita is in the BBC Newsroom and has more on that and a summary

:30:20. > :30:23.Police in Brussels are continuing their search for a suspect,

:30:24. > :30:26.pictured wearing a white jacket on CCTV footage at the airport

:30:27. > :30:28.shortly before the attacks took on Tuesday.

:30:29. > :30:29.It's thought he escaped after his two accomplices

:30:30. > :30:33.31 people have been confirmed dead with hundreds more injured,

:30:34. > :30:42.Salah Abdeslam - one of the suspects in last year's Paris terror attacks-

:30:43. > :30:43.will not fight extradition from Belgium.

:30:44. > :30:46.He was arrested and wounded in a police raid on Friday

:30:47. > :30:53.His lawyer said that he wants to return to France to explain

:30:54. > :30:57.TRANSLATION: Salah Abdeslam has asked to be extradited to France,

:30:58. > :31:03.the process will take approximately two weeks.

:31:04. > :31:06.TRANSLATION: Salah Abdeslam has asked to be extradited to France,

:31:07. > :31:09.On March 31st he will appear in court to execute the European

:31:10. > :31:12.extradition warrant, we need 15 days to finish

:31:13. > :31:14.the process but there will be no appeal or challenge,

:31:15. > :31:17.we will implement his wish and this is a good thing.

:31:18. > :31:19.Here, the Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has said the terror

:31:20. > :31:22.threat shows this isn't the time to be leaving the European Union.

:31:23. > :31:25.He was speaking after a former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove,

:31:26. > :31:27.argued that a British exit could lead to important security

:31:28. > :31:29.gains for the UK, including greater control over immigration

:31:30. > :31:42.A UN war crimes tribunal is to return its verdict today

:31:43. > :31:44.in the case of the former Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan

:31:45. > :31:48.He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity related to the war

:31:49. > :31:52.At least 100,000 people died in the conflict,

:31:53. > :31:54.before an American-brokered peace deal brought the fighting

:31:55. > :32:04.Adam Johnson, the ex-Sunderland football player, has arrived

:32:05. > :32:08.at court and is due to be sentenced after he was found guilty of one

:32:09. > :32:09.count of sexual activity with a 15-year-old schoolgirl.

:32:10. > :32:12.Johnson was told by a judge he faced a substantial prison sentence

:32:13. > :32:15.after he was found guilty of one offence of sexual activity

:32:16. > :32:17.with a child by a jury earlier this month.

:32:18. > :32:19.The winger had already admitted another

:32:20. > :32:23.count of the same offence and also grooming the teenager.

:32:24. > :32:26.Police are appealing for information after two women were murdered

:32:27. > :32:30.The attacks took place in different locations yesterday evening.

:32:31. > :32:34.A 34-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder

:32:35. > :32:44.The bodies of a man and a woman have been found by rescuers searching

:32:45. > :32:46.for two climbers who've been missing on Ben Nevis since February.

:32:47. > :32:49.Rachel Slater and Tim Newton, from Bradford, failed to return

:32:50. > :32:51.from an outing on the mountain and hazardous weather hampered

:32:52. > :32:54.Police Scotland said the families of the two climbers

:32:55. > :33:00.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom

:33:01. > :33:14.Time for some sport. Formula 1 will no longer be shown on

:33:15. > :33:19.to wrest real television from 2019, Sky Sports announcing it has signed

:33:20. > :33:23.an exclusive deal to broadcast the races. It said it will show the

:33:24. > :33:26.whole of the British Grand Prix on a new free to air channel.

:33:27. > :33:30.Wales and Northern Ireland meet in a friendly tonight ahead of the Euros,

:33:31. > :33:34.Wales without injured key players Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey.

:33:35. > :33:36.Scotland play a friendly in the Czech Republic.

:33:37. > :33:40.Tennis world another one Novak Djokovic has apologised to a number

:33:41. > :33:43.of leading female players following comments he made on Sunday. He

:33:44. > :33:50.suggested male players should earn more as they generate more income.

:33:51. > :33:53.He now says he was referring to more pay across the board.

:33:54. > :33:54.That is all the sport, more on the BBC News Channel.

:33:55. > :33:56.A loss of 370,000 council and housing association homes

:33:57. > :33:59.by 2020 is what we're facing if current Government housing policy

:34:00. > :34:04.continues the way it's going - that's what the Chair

:34:05. > :34:10.of the Chartered Institute of Housing has told this programme.

:34:11. > :34:13.David Cameron has said housing is a top priority

:34:14. > :34:14.for the Government, promising to build 1 million

:34:15. > :34:18.But the Government also wants to make some more controversial

:34:19. > :34:20.changes, like charging on or near market rents to people

:34:21. > :34:22.in social housing who earn ?30,000 outside London

:34:23. > :34:29.Our reporter Jim Reed has been speaking to someone facing eviction

:34:30. > :34:35.and struggling to find somewhere for her and her teenage son to live.

:34:36. > :34:41.My son was born here, so, yes, I have been here 16 years.

:34:42. > :34:46.I knew I would probably have to leave this house

:34:47. > :34:49.because of my landlord dying last year.

:34:50. > :34:56.The shock is being in the situation that I can't find anywhere to live,

:34:57. > :35:05.Tam Avery lives with her teenage son a few hundred metres

:35:06. > :35:10.She's worked all her life, then last year she had a fall,

:35:11. > :35:17.Now she's got to move in a few weeks and she is running out of options.

:35:18. > :35:20.I've been looking for it must be now 14 weeks,

:35:21. > :35:26.15 weeks, and I can't find privately anywhere to live and the main reason

:35:27. > :35:35.Nobody wants housing benefit, and council-wise there's not enough

:35:36. > :35:38.properties and when there is one there are nearly 100

:35:39. > :35:49.There are around 5000 council properties in this part of Kent.

:35:50. > :35:51.There are 2500 people on the waiting list for social housing.

:35:52. > :35:54.At the same time, there's a real shortage of affordable private

:35:55. > :35:59.Most landlords simply refuse to take tenants on housing benefit.

:36:00. > :36:04.I am stuck in the middle of no-man's-land.

:36:05. > :36:10.Where do people go when they can't get a private rental and they can't

:36:11. > :36:17.I would love somebody to answer that because I've never known

:36:18. > :36:28.If she stays here, she will eventually be evicted and can

:36:29. > :36:33.Then the council may have to put the family

:36:34. > :36:37.The other option is to move back into her parents'

:36:38. > :36:48.I will end up sharing a bedroom with my 16-year-old son.

:36:49. > :37:03.It shouldn't be this way and it shouldn't be my only option.

:37:04. > :37:12.I will challenge anybody out there to find me somewhere to live.

:37:13. > :37:16.Our political guru Norman Smith has been talking with

:37:17. > :37:19.Housing Minister Brandon Lewis about what he's doing to deal

:37:20. > :37:29.What we're doing is working to support people who want a chance to

:37:30. > :37:32.own their own home, whether it is to help to buy, right to buy, a range

:37:33. > :37:37.of the schemes including shared ownership where people can get into

:37:38. > :37:41.ownership for about ?4000, we want to give people the chance to own

:37:42. > :37:48.their home. I am also clear, we want to see an increase in housing supply

:37:49. > :37:51.across all sectors, not just social housing, but affordable housing as

:37:52. > :37:56.well. On so-called pay to stay, reports

:37:57. > :37:59.had sent higher rents would kick in at 30 or ?40,000 depending on

:38:00. > :38:01.whether you are in London, but Mr Lewis says it is not quite like

:38:02. > :38:05.that. First of all, that is not how the

:38:06. > :38:08.scheme will work, we have been clear from the beginning that it tapers,

:38:09. > :38:12.we have consulted on this, there will be a table which means when

:38:13. > :38:24.people move above ?30,000 outside London, which is above the median

:38:25. > :38:27.income, 40,000 in London, they start to pay a bit more rent. Bear in mind

:38:28. > :38:29.there are tens of thousands of people owning over -- earning over

:38:30. > :38:32.?50,000 a year and using social housing. There will be a table, it

:38:33. > :38:35.will not have a cliff edge, it will always pay to work, and we will be

:38:36. > :38:44.clear that the table will make sure it is affordable to people.

:38:45. > :38:47.With me is Lord Bob Kerslake, former head for the civil

:38:48. > :38:50.service of the Communities and Local Government department

:38:51. > :38:53.and Chair of Housing Association the Peabody Trust.

:38:54. > :38:56.Lord Kerslake says this housing bill could be the "end of social housing

:38:57. > :39:00.Jan Sweeney and her husband have a household income of just over

:39:01. > :39:02.the ?40,000 suggested upper limit before paying market rent

:39:03. > :39:05.on her home in Kensington and Chelsea - one of London's

:39:06. > :39:19.Jan thinks she might have to move or give up work if this becomes law.

:39:20. > :39:22.Carolyn Gelenter would also be affected by pay-to-stay measures

:39:23. > :39:24.and is thinking about cutting back her hours to part-time

:39:25. > :39:26.so she can afford to stay in her flat.

:39:27. > :39:28.Carolyn is also worried about suggested changes to secure

:39:29. > :39:31.tenancies - the idea of having a council house for life.

:39:32. > :39:35.Carolyn Gelenter would also be affected by pay-to-stay measures

:39:36. > :39:38.And Linzi Cooper and Rozlin Hunt are in Eastleigh for us this morning.

:39:39. > :39:40.They are neighbours in Housing Association homes

:39:41. > :39:43.and would love to buy their homes - if the chance for them to buy them

:39:44. > :39:50.Linzi and Roz have been neighbours for four years.

:39:51. > :39:55.Lord Kerslake, you say these plans could be the end of social housing

:39:56. > :40:00.as we know it, why? The combination of policies that the Government is

:40:01. > :40:06.taking forward will really impact on those ordinary people who live in

:40:07. > :40:10.their properties now. First of all, the Government is cutting back on

:40:11. > :40:14.the investment in new and affordable homes. Secondly, people who are

:40:15. > :40:17.paying, earning a bit more, people we will hear about later one are

:40:18. > :40:21.going to have to start paying a lot more rent, that is a big issue.

:40:22. > :40:24.Crucially, the way in which the Government wants to fund the

:40:25. > :40:29.opportunity for people to buy, and we will hear about them, is going to

:40:30. > :40:33.come from the forced sale of council houses, so you will lose two houses,

:40:34. > :40:46.one from the right-to-buy sale and one from the council sale.

:40:47. > :40:49.Typically higher value properties in areas where people want to live,

:40:50. > :40:51.they are the bigger properties, the ones most in demand. Councils are

:40:52. > :40:54.supposed to replace the one they have sold to fund the discount for

:40:55. > :40:56.the ones buying the housing association home like-for-like. You

:40:57. > :40:59.sell one, you build another one. We all hope that will be the case but

:41:00. > :41:07.the reality so far of the one policy is that for every eight sold, only

:41:08. > :41:12.one being built. Carolyn and Jan, Carolyn, you own over ?40,000, you

:41:13. > :41:18.are a higher rate taxpayer, Jan, you and your husband earned just over

:41:19. > :41:21.the ?40,000 pay-to-stay limit which has been suggested for London, what

:41:22. > :41:26.impact will a rents rise have on your families, even if it is tapered

:41:27. > :41:30.as Brandon Lewis suggests? First of all, I don't know what that means,

:41:31. > :41:35.second ball... It means it will go just a little up depending on what

:41:36. > :41:40.your salary is. Yes, but I don't know what that means in practice. At

:41:41. > :41:47.the moment, my flat, a one-bedroom flat in central London, in Camden,

:41:48. > :41:51.the private rent is ?2500 per month. By my calculation, you would have to

:41:52. > :41:56.be earning at least double what I'm earning to be able to afford to pay

:41:57. > :42:02.that kind of... Do you mind me asking what you pay at the moment?

:42:03. > :42:07.?650 per month for a council rent. That is a big difference. A huge

:42:08. > :42:11.difference. Jan, what difference will it have on you and your husband

:42:12. > :42:15.if the rent is put up to market rates, as the Government is

:42:16. > :42:19.suggesting? I would have to give up work to keep the rent as it is now.

:42:20. > :42:22.I am at a stage in my life where I can do the odd treat with the

:42:23. > :42:28.grandchildren, not expensive holidays, we don't even own a car,

:42:29. > :42:32.but I'm just at that stage in my life where I don't have to worry so

:42:33. > :42:36.much about money, and now this will bring me back down to the bread

:42:37. > :42:41.line. This is the critical issue, when this policy was first thought

:42:42. > :42:45.it was aimed at people over 60,000, people aren't quite high incomes,

:42:46. > :42:49.but bringing down the level of the income to 30 and 40, 40 is not a lot

:42:50. > :42:56.in London as anybody who lives in London will tell you, you are

:42:57. > :43:00.heading into a lot bigger issues, a bigger number of people. This is

:43:01. > :43:03.what the Government says, quote, it is not fair that hard-working people

:43:04. > :43:07.are subsidising the lifestyles of those on higher than average incomes

:43:08. > :43:12.to the tune of ?3500 per year. Where does this figure come from anger

:43:13. > :43:16.that thread I have spoken to several councillors where I live and asked

:43:17. > :43:21.them, is my rent subsidised? There and that is, no, you are paying more

:43:22. > :43:26.than what you need to pay. We put the extra money aside for a

:43:27. > :43:31.contingency fund, so where does this bigger come from? And, excuse me,

:43:32. > :43:36.I'm a hard-working taxpayer! I don't doubt it. The other thing is, if

:43:37. > :43:41.this bill goes through, I will be forced to go down to part-time work

:43:42. > :43:45.so I'm going from a high rate taxpayer to a low rate taxpayer, so

:43:46. > :43:54.how does that help the economy in any way? Let me bring in Linzi and

:43:55. > :43:58.Roslin. Linzi, you are desperate to buy your housing association home,

:43:59. > :44:07.so this bill, if it goes through, will potentially help you? Yes,

:44:08. > :44:11.hopefully. I absolutely love my house and don't want to live

:44:12. > :44:15.anywhere else, I have built my business here, my child goes to

:44:16. > :44:19.school just up the road, I have got great neighbours, it is a really

:44:20. > :44:22.nice area and be, my husband and children are really happy here and

:44:23. > :44:26.don't want to live anywhere else. Is it right that you will get a

:44:27. > :44:30.discount funded by your local councils selling of a higher value,

:44:31. > :44:33.more expensive, apparently empty council house somewhere else in

:44:34. > :44:37.more expensive, apparently empty borough? I don't really know about

:44:38. > :44:41.that. I don't feel that I am owed anything or anything like that, I

:44:42. > :44:45.don't want something for nothing. I worked really hard, we work lots of

:44:46. > :44:48.others, and unfortunately I can't afford to buy a house on the open

:44:49. > :44:52.market, wouldn't be able to afford the deposit and couldn't afford to

:44:53. > :44:56.pay a mortgage, unfortunately, on the full cost of my house at the

:44:57. > :45:07.moment. If I got the discount I would be really grateful and it

:45:08. > :45:10.means I can own a property it is probably the only opportunity we

:45:11. > :45:13.will get to own a property. Rosslyn, is it the same for you? Why do you

:45:14. > :45:16.want to buy yet rather than carry on renting? I think it is more for my

:45:17. > :45:20.future and my children. We have spent a lot of money doing up our

:45:21. > :45:26.own house, we cannot afford to buy on the open market, it would take is

:45:27. > :45:30.a long time to save for a deposit, obviously if pay to stay come since

:45:31. > :45:35.it does affect us and it would be even more out of our reach, we would

:45:36. > :45:39.not be able to afford a deposit at all to buy a house, so we would be

:45:40. > :45:49.grateful for the opportunity to do so. I think Linzi and Roslin should

:45:50. > :45:52.have the opportunity to buy, but question is how you should fund the

:45:53. > :45:56.discount, is it fair that other people do is the option for social

:45:57. > :45:59.housing to fund the discount? The problem we have is that we are not

:46:00. > :46:03.building enough houses of any type and that is what we have to be

:46:04. > :46:08.focused on, not, if you like, reshuffling the deck chairs around.

:46:09. > :46:13.The house price differences between out of London and in London, even if

:46:14. > :46:18.I wanted to buy my flat, which actually I don't, I love the fact

:46:19. > :46:22.that I have a secure tenancy and reasonable rent, but even if I

:46:23. > :46:29.wanted to buy it, the current rate is ?650,000. The other thing that

:46:30. > :46:33.people need to know is that if I was forced to leave my flat because of

:46:34. > :46:40.the pay-to-stay rent, it wouldn't go to a poor person, it would be sold,

:46:41. > :46:46.because part of this is that vacant houses worth over ?350,000, which is

:46:47. > :46:50.pretty well every place in Camden, will have to be sold immediately. So

:46:51. > :46:56.who is going to buy my flat? A wealthy person! Which is some of the

:46:57. > :47:00.criticism of this policy, it will mean that communities are not mixed

:47:01. > :47:05.any more, there will just be areas of very, very rich people, or rather

:47:06. > :47:09.more areas of very rich people across London. It will be a double

:47:10. > :47:12.whammy, the sale of the housing association property and then the

:47:13. > :47:17.sale of a council property to pay for the discount and I think one for

:47:18. > :47:21.one is going to be very hard to achieve, particularly in London.

:47:22. > :47:23.Every party in opposition says, if we get into Government we will build

:47:24. > :47:33.more houses. It doesn't happen, why? To do it you have to be determine

:47:34. > :47:38.and address the issues of money and land and have to build every type of

:47:39. > :47:42.house. I own my own house and I think people should have the

:47:43. > :47:47.opportunity. We have got to build for renters as well. Let me read

:47:48. > :47:52.some messages from people who're affected by this or who have views

:47:53. > :47:57.from around the country. Rachel tweets, where can you go if you

:47:58. > :48:00.can't get an affordable privately rented property or Housing

:48:01. > :48:14.Association, possibly get evicted or go back to your parents. Twitter

:48:15. > :48:22.viewers says, why do people want to buy big houses at a knock down

:48:23. > :48:26.price? If it's something that's available to me, I would be very

:48:27. > :48:30.grateful, I don't feel entitled. Who blames you, if the opportunity was

:48:31. > :48:34.there, you would take it. That's really not the issue, it's about

:48:35. > :48:45.Government policy, not individual's decisions. One more e-mailer says, I

:48:46. > :48:47.work for a housing company in London, the right-to-buy properties

:48:48. > :48:53.that have been sold shouldn't have been sold, it would be a mistake to

:48:54. > :48:57.do it again. 40% in some places in London have been sold.

:48:58. > :49:07.Thank you all very much for your time and Linzi and Roz as well.

:49:08. > :49:14.Adam Johnson has lodged an appeal against his conviction for sexually

:49:15. > :49:17.touching a 15-year-old schoolgirl. It was confirmed ahead of his

:49:18. > :49:21.sentencing at Bradford Crown Court today. We are awaiting that

:49:22. > :49:25.sentence. He admits grooming the schoolgirl and one count of sexual

:49:26. > :49:30.activity involving kissing. He could face up to ten years in prison. He's

:49:31. > :49:36.been told by the judge to say goodbye to his daughter. This

:49:37. > :49:40.morning, his sister posted on social media saying she was too upset to

:49:41. > :49:42.attend court and would instead stay at home with Adam Johnson's daughter

:49:43. > :49:49.and the mother of his child, Stacey. Our reporter Fiona Trott is outside

:49:50. > :50:00.Bradford Crown Court for us now. Tell us what Adam Johnson did?

:50:01. > :50:04.We are hearing from inside the court, the very latest from my

:50:05. > :50:07.correspondent who is in the court at the moment, my colleague, Ed Thomas,

:50:08. > :50:12.he said that the victim's impact statement is being read out in

:50:13. > :50:17.court. He said that the girl said she'd suffered at school, she felt

:50:18. > :50:21.intimidated, the victim's mother's also said she felt powerless that

:50:22. > :50:25.she couldn't protect her own child and at no time has any member of

:50:26. > :50:29.their family sought to make money from the case. That's the latest

:50:30. > :50:34.from inside the court, hearing details of that victim impact

:50:35. > :50:38.statement. Earlier in January this year, Adam Johnson had already been

:50:39. > :50:43.grooming this 15-year-old football fan via social media. In the end,

:50:44. > :50:48.over 800 message had been exchanged between them. They were meeting for

:50:49. > :50:52.a second time in secret in his car, he'd already given her a signed

:50:53. > :50:57.football shirt, and he told her "I've come for my thank you kiss"

:50:58. > :51:01.and the court heard that's when he put his hand inside her trousers.

:51:02. > :51:06.The court heard that this young girl told her father she wanted to kill

:51:07. > :51:09.herself and she confided in him about what had happened. Remember

:51:10. > :51:13.she broke down several times when she was giving evidence here at

:51:14. > :51:17.Bradford Crown Court. This trial, of course, has already raised questions

:51:18. > :51:23.about exactly what Sunderland football club knew. Adam Johnson was

:51:24. > :51:27.suspended when he was arrested but that was lifted after 16 days. He

:51:28. > :51:33.was then able to carry on playing for the club. 28 matches in total.

:51:34. > :51:38.During that time, he was earning ?60,000 a week. Now, after this

:51:39. > :51:41.trial, the Chief Executive of Sunderland Football Club, Margaret

:51:42. > :51:46.Byrne said this: Contrary to what has been suggested, I did not

:51:47. > :51:54.understand that Mr Johnson intended to change his plea. I was astounded

:51:55. > :51:59.when he did plead guilty. As a consequence, Margaret Byrne

:52:00. > :52:02.resigned. She said: I accept Mr Johnson shouldn't have been

:52:03. > :52:05.permitted to play again irrespective of what he was going to plead,

:52:06. > :52:10.health service a serious error of judgment.

:52:11. > :52:14.So that is the latest here from Bradford Crown Court. I'm just

:52:15. > :52:17.checking to see if there are any more developments from inside. I'm

:52:18. > :52:23.hearing from my colleague Ed Thomas that the player had told the, the

:52:24. > :52:27.court was told that Sunderland FC sorry, they were well aware of what

:52:28. > :52:31.he'd done. That is the latest detail we are hearing from inside the court

:52:32. > :52:34.at the moment. Of course, as you know, the judge, Jonathan Rose, is

:52:35. > :52:38.due to hand down sentencing very shortly.

:52:39. > :52:42.Thank you for the moment. Yesterday, the Football Association released a

:52:43. > :52:54.film on child protection on the eve of Adam Johnson's sentencing. It

:52:55. > :53:03.doesn't refer directly to the ex-ex-Sunderland player's case but

:53:04. > :53:07.here is a clip. We have football clubs, they know what they are doing

:53:08. > :53:10.and work with management teams to put safeguards in place, that's what

:53:11. > :53:15.we want. In addition to that, we have to look at those in roles that

:53:16. > :53:20.give them power and influence arrange coaches and managers who

:53:21. > :53:23.pick and choose what is happening and those should include criminal

:53:24. > :53:27.records checks and ensure they have safeguarding training. We have done

:53:28. > :53:31.50,000 checks a year and 35,000 people going through that training.

:53:32. > :53:35.What responsibilities do professional clubs have? In addition

:53:36. > :53:39.to that, they have to make sure all of their staff understand the

:53:40. > :53:42.conduct that is expected of them and they need to monitor that. And

:53:43. > :53:48.obviously if anything comes to light, the deal with that, and if

:53:49. > :53:52.someone is in a role wider than club, to inform ourselves so that we

:53:53. > :53:59.can become involved or the statutory agencies. Are criminal record checks

:54:00. > :54:02.carried out on all players? The law, not football, governs who can and

:54:03. > :54:06.can't have a criminal records check and simply playing, although that

:54:07. > :54:11.might bring a lot of celebrity for some, isn't a role that we can

:54:12. > :54:16.legally make criminal records checks on.

:54:17. > :54:21.Let's speak to Jon Brown from the NSPCC.

:54:22. > :54:29.How concerned are you that there are no criminal records checks? This

:54:30. > :54:31.beggars belief that Adam Johnson was originally suspended and

:54:32. > :54:35.unbelievably that was lifted and he was allowed to play. That

:54:36. > :54:40.contravenes the FA rules and regulations and advice to clubs.

:54:41. > :54:43.What we are concerned about at the NSPCC is to what extent is that

:54:44. > :54:47.happening elsewhere. We don't know but I think it would be unwise to

:54:48. > :54:54.assume that Sunderland is one example alone here.

:54:55. > :54:59.The NSPCC works, I'm told, with the FA monitoring body child protection

:55:00. > :55:03.in sport unit. Is that failing? The child protection in sport unit is an

:55:04. > :55:11.NSPCC body and we have been working with the FA for 15 years now very

:55:12. > :55:16.productively and collaboratively our work with the FA has helped inform a

:55:17. > :55:20.good set of world class set of policies and protections related to

:55:21. > :55:24.safeguarding. Frankly, they are not going to be worth a lot if they are

:55:25. > :55:30.not implemented at club level. That's our concern. That didn't

:55:31. > :55:34.happen in Sunderland. What we need to see is that the club culture is

:55:35. > :55:38.right across the country, whether we are talking about Premier League

:55:39. > :55:44.clubs or a local Sunday league club, that culture is right from the top.

:55:45. > :55:47.There needs to be a zero tolerance approach to anything illegal

:55:48. > :55:50.obviously, but a really positive approach from relation to the

:55:51. > :55:54.protection and welfare of children. That wasn't happening at Sunderland

:55:55. > :55:58.clearly. There are some football supporters and newspaper columnists

:55:59. > :56:05.who don't believe Adam Johnson is a paedophile. What do you say to that?

:56:06. > :56:09.That is someone who has a sexual interest in young children, so that

:56:10. > :56:14.is correct that he's not a paedophile, but he's sexually abused

:56:15. > :56:18.and exploited a child, a schoolgirl. That's had a devastating effect

:56:19. > :56:22.clearly on the victim. We have heard the victim impact statement. It's

:56:23. > :56:28.had a devastating effect. He knew what he was doing was wrong. That's

:56:29. > :56:32.very clear. He's now going to get sentenced and no doubt that will

:56:33. > :56:35.reflect the severity of what he's done. He's now a sex offender and

:56:36. > :56:41.he's going to need to recognise that. He's devastated and ruined his

:56:42. > :56:45.clear and more importantly, he's had a huge devastating impact on a child

:56:46. > :56:52.as well. From your expertise and experience,

:56:53. > :56:59.how do you help teenagers, children sometimes younger than that, try to

:57:00. > :57:04.deal with the experience of being groomed and abused? It's important

:57:05. > :57:08.to make the person understand it's not their fault. Particularly in

:57:09. > :57:12.this situation where a footballer, an international Premier League

:57:13. > :57:15.footballer, they have an iconic status and there are children up and

:57:16. > :57:18.down the country playing football and they look up to these

:57:19. > :57:22.individuals. So when there is the opportunity to meet someone like

:57:23. > :57:29.that, there's a huge power imbalance there so they are made to feel it's

:57:30. > :57:33.their fought. When we work they are pewically with children, it's about

:57:34. > :57:38.helping that child understand that it wasn't their fault -- it's their

:57:39. > :57:43.fault. We teach them that there is light at

:57:44. > :57:46.the end of the tunnel and we let the positive future back in for them. I

:57:47. > :57:51.think the programmes we run have shown to be effective. We just

:57:52. > :57:57.evaluated that and I think they can be enabled to get over what's

:57:58. > :58:00.happened. Prevention is key really and prevention within football clubs

:58:01. > :58:05.and ensuring that the Football Association are really satisfied

:58:06. > :58:10.that their world class policies and procedures are embedded at club

:58:11. > :58:13.level for a process of support, encouragement and audit as well.

:58:14. > :58:18.Thank you very much Jon Brown from the NSPCC.