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:00:14. > :00:17.Emergency talks in Downing Street this morning to try

:00:18. > :00:19.and save Britain's biggest steel-making company.

:00:20. > :00:22.We'll look at the options open to Ministers and ask whether jobs

:00:23. > :00:26.Could a radical rethink of the way we punish young criminals

:00:27. > :00:30.We have exclusive access to a Spanish treatment centre

:00:31. > :00:32.where a softer approach seems to work.

:00:33. > :00:34.And we hear from a British youngster who was sent

:00:35. > :00:37.there when he was arrested on holiday.

:00:38. > :00:41.I was probably one of the worst out of my friends.

:00:42. > :00:44.Since I have been here, I have been talking to my

:00:45. > :00:47.friends and I have kept quite a few of them out of trouble.

:00:48. > :00:49.They have changed their ways through the stuff

:00:50. > :00:57.And could pioneering research into childrens' cancers lead to more

:00:58. > :01:10.tailored treatments and better outcomes?

:01:11. > :01:15.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11:00am this morning.

:01:16. > :01:17.Please do feel free to get in touch whenever you'd like.

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:01:23. > :01:25.On the story about cancer treatment for children -

:01:26. > :01:28.If your child has had cancer or is being treated for cancer right

:01:29. > :01:31.now, tell us about the treatment they are receiving and how it's

:01:32. > :01:34.affecting them - we'll talk more about future cancer treatment

:01:35. > :01:44.Your pertinent experiences are relevant.

:01:45. > :01:48.David Cameron will chair an emergency

:01:49. > :01:50.meeting in Downing Street to discuss the government's options for saving

:01:51. > :01:52.Britain's biggest steel-making company.

:01:53. > :01:54.He'll be joined by ministers and senior officials

:01:55. > :01:56.from across Whitehall, including the Treasury,

:01:57. > :01:58.Department for Business, and the Welsh Office.

:01:59. > :02:00.It's in response to Tata Steel's decision to seek buyers

:02:01. > :02:06.It's understood the government is seeking re-assurances from Tata

:02:07. > :02:08.that it won't close its plants before a buyer can be found.

:02:09. > :02:15.Our political correspondent Tom Bateman reports.

:02:16. > :02:19.The ovens still burn at the Port Talbot steel plant,

:02:20. > :02:24.The latest crisis for this industry was sparked when the Indian company

:02:25. > :02:27.Tata Steel said it would sell off its entire UK operation,

:02:28. > :02:37.The government says it's doing all it can to support the sale,

:02:38. > :02:41.but with no obvious buyer for a business losing ?1 million

:02:42. > :02:43.a day Labour thinks it should potentially

:02:44. > :02:58.Intervene to ensure the industry survives, intervene to ensure

:02:59. > :03:05.someone else buys it and there is an industry in Britain. But the

:03:06. > :03:09.principle has to be maintaining a steel industry.

:03:10. > :03:14.The steel for Britain's the new aircraft carriers was made

:03:15. > :03:18.There is national pride and intense politics at play here,

:03:19. > :03:20.with one former senior military figure

:03:21. > :03:26.warning it would be unforgivable if the UK stopped making steel.

:03:27. > :03:40.The industry has been brought to the point of collapse

:03:41. > :03:42.by high energy costs and cheap steel imports from China.

:03:43. > :03:44.But ministers think nationalisation wouldn't work, believing it's not

:03:45. > :03:49.The government is under intense pressure to find a solution

:03:50. > :03:50.as durable as the steel forged in these furnaces.

:03:51. > :04:00.Both the cost and dealing with tough EU rules against propping up ailing

:04:01. > :05:01.industries means they have their work cut out.

:05:02. > :05:08.Option five is the nightmare scenario so they are all really

:05:09. > :05:12.difficult options. The thing that I found slightly worrying this morning

:05:13. > :05:15.is not detecting a bundle of confidence from government that they

:05:16. > :05:20.can sort this. That is because there is a nagging fear that Tata Steel

:05:21. > :05:25.may not actually be in the market to sell the steel plants. There is a

:05:26. > :05:30.concern that may be their true intention is to close them down.

:05:31. > :05:36.Why? Do they really want to sell this steel plant to a competitor who

:05:37. > :05:40.would then be up against them? In other words, they would be causing

:05:41. > :05:43.problems for themselves by selling them to another competitor. There's

:05:44. > :05:48.also a concern that Tata Steel may run out of patience with losing ?1

:05:49. > :05:51.million per day. There is real apprehension in government over

:05:52. > :05:55.whether they are going to be able to save the steel industry, despite all

:05:56. > :06:01.of the rhetoric and the end of life promises we have -- and the promises

:06:02. > :06:06.we have heard in the past Reds rows. It is worth explaining to the people

:06:07. > :06:12.who have watched whether the UK how important this steel plant is to the

:06:13. > :06:15.people in your area. Let's put it into perspective, there's been a

:06:16. > :06:20.steelworks in Port Talbot for over a century. This one behind me that

:06:21. > :06:25.Tata Steel currently own has been here for 60 years. Since they took

:06:26. > :06:29.it over, there was around 10,000 people working here but every year

:06:30. > :06:34.since, there's been job losses, around a couple of thousand every

:06:35. > :06:37.year. Really, to put it into perspective, it estimated that for

:06:38. > :06:42.every one job at the plant, it supports four in the Logan area.

:06:43. > :06:49.Even though there is 4000 or 5000 working here, it would be

:06:50. > :06:52.catastrophic if the plant was to go and the job losses would be felt

:06:53. > :06:55.across town. We have spoken to local businesses in the last few days and

:06:56. > :06:59.they say if this was to go, they would have to close as well. At the

:07:00. > :07:02.moment there is some confusion in terms of what exactly the government

:07:03. > :07:06.is doing and some anxiety in terms of the future but also anger that

:07:07. > :07:09.the government won't step in to help because as Norman says, it is

:07:10. > :07:13.difficult to see where a private buyer would come from, considering

:07:14. > :07:17.the losses this place is making. The only action they can see if the

:07:18. > :07:18.governance stepping in to buy it in the interim period. Thank you for

:07:19. > :07:25.joining us. And now with the rest of the day's

:07:26. > :07:28.news, here's Julian. British scientists are beginning

:07:29. > :07:29.research which could dramatically improve the treatment

:07:30. > :07:33.of children who have cancer. The research at the Royal Marsden

:07:34. > :07:35.Hospital in London is aimed at finding newer, more personalised

:07:36. > :07:39.treatments and involves carrying out genetic tests on tumours from young

:07:40. > :07:41.people who have been diagnosed Scientists say it should

:07:42. > :07:49.accelerate their access to important new drugs and increase

:07:50. > :07:55.survival rates. And coming up on the programme

:07:56. > :07:57.at 9:30am, we'll be talking to a mother and her son

:07:58. > :08:00.about surviving a brain A review of end-of-life care

:08:01. > :08:06.in England suggests some hospitals are failing to provide

:08:07. > :08:08.round-the-clock specialist Experts at the Royal College

:08:09. > :08:20.of Physicians say while there has been some improvement in the last

:08:21. > :08:22.two years, there were still unacceptable variations in care such

:08:23. > :08:25.as providing drugs or help with drinking water in the final

:08:26. > :08:27.hours of life. Julie Coombs' father Paul

:08:28. > :08:32.was diagnosed with cancer last year. He spent some of his last

:08:33. > :08:34.months in hospital before She says they didn't

:08:35. > :08:39.get enough support. Palliative care came

:08:40. > :08:41.for about five minutes. Obviously in the hospital

:08:42. > :08:48.bed with everyone round Today's report is the first

:08:49. > :08:53.since the Liverpool Care Pathway, a practice which was scrapped two

:08:54. > :08:56.years ago for failing in its mission to allow patients

:08:57. > :08:59.to die with dignity. Researchers say things have

:09:00. > :09:02.since improved in almost every area, They found that in a

:09:03. > :09:08.third of 9,000 cases looked at, there was no written

:09:09. > :09:11.evidence that patients' ability to eat and drink had been assessed

:09:12. > :09:14.in their last days of life. In around a fifth, there

:09:15. > :09:17.was no written report that do not resuscitate orders had

:09:18. > :09:21.been discussed with relatives. And, despite the fact

:09:22. > :09:25.that most hospitals had access to specialist palliative

:09:26. > :09:37.care, only 11% offered it In order to be better, we need to

:09:38. > :09:42.have a better allocation of front line, specially trained palliative

:09:43. > :09:47.care doctors and nurses available in all hospitals.

:09:48. > :09:48.NHS England says this report presents

:09:49. > :09:50.just a snapshot of end-of-life care within hospitals,

:09:51. > :09:52.but there are clear variations across England and improvements

:09:53. > :09:59.A new approach aimed at cutting re-offending rates among teenagers

:10:00. > :10:02.in Spain appears to be achieving success and is being recommended

:10:03. > :10:09.Activities including football, gardening and beekeeping have been

:10:10. > :10:12.introduced at Spanish youth prisons to create a different ethos among

:10:13. > :10:15.inmates with a focus on education and rehabilitation.

:10:16. > :10:17.Re-offending rates appear to have fallen in areas of Spain

:10:18. > :10:27.where the changes have been introduced.

:10:28. > :10:30.The US presidential candidate Donald Trump has performed a rapid

:10:31. > :10:32.U-turn after saying that women who have abortions should be

:10:33. > :10:41.The Republican frontrunner issued a statement last night saying that

:10:42. > :10:43.if abortion was outlawed, then doctors who perform them

:10:44. > :10:44.would be held responsible, not their patients.

:10:45. > :10:48.Hours earlier, on the cable network MSNBC, Mr Trump said women who have

:10:49. > :10:51.terminations should be held responsible.

:10:52. > :10:55.Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle?

:10:56. > :10:58.The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

:10:59. > :11:01.Ten years? What?

:11:02. > :11:05.You take positions on everything else.

:11:06. > :11:07.I do take positions on everything else,

:11:08. > :11:11.Russia has criticised a plan to station thousands of additional

:11:12. > :11:13.American troops around eastern Europe.

:11:14. > :11:15.About 4,000 soldiers will be deployed to the region

:11:16. > :11:20.The United States says it's specifically due to what it calls

:11:21. > :11:27.A flying visit earlier this month by the Russian president to Crimea.

:11:28. > :11:35.It's two years since Russia annexed the peninsula,

:11:36. > :11:42.sending relations between Moscow and the West

:11:43. > :11:44.to the lowest point since the Cold War.

:11:45. > :11:46.The senior US commander in Europe, here being honoured

:11:47. > :11:48.in Lithuania, has now said additional American

:11:49. > :11:50.troops will be sent to reassure Nato allies

:11:51. > :11:53.There are currently 62,000 US service personnel permanently

:11:54. > :12:01.There will be 4,200 more under this new plan.

:12:02. > :12:03.The Foreign Secretary, on a visit to Georgia,

:12:04. > :12:08.is calling on Russia to re-engage with the West.

:12:09. > :12:11.Russia ignores the norms of international conduct and breaks

:12:12. > :12:16.the rules of the international system.

:12:17. > :12:21.That represents a challenge and a threat to all of us.

:12:22. > :12:26.What we all want is for Russia to play a constructive role

:12:27. > :12:32.Moscow and Washington have been working together

:12:33. > :12:35.to try to bring an end to five years of civil war in Syria,

:12:36. > :12:41.And Russia has hit back, saying it will not passively watch

:12:42. > :12:47.It promised to take all necessary measures to respond

:12:48. > :12:51.to the increase in US troops and called

:12:52. > :12:56.on Nato to give up what it described as a policy of confrontation.

:12:57. > :13:01.The Pentagon has told the US Congress that it is to transfer

:13:02. > :13:04.about a dozen detainees at Guantanamo Bay to at least two

:13:05. > :13:07.countries that have agreed to take them.

:13:08. > :13:10.They are understood to include a Yemeni man who's been on hunger

:13:11. > :13:15.91 prisoners are currently held at the US naval base.

:13:16. > :13:18.Last month, President Obama set out his goal to close the facility

:13:19. > :13:23.The cost of funerals has risen so much that families increasingly

:13:24. > :13:28.face going into debt in order to bury or cremate a loved one.

:13:29. > :13:30.A committee of MPs is calling for the government to increase

:13:31. > :13:34.the funds available to help with funeral costs.

:13:35. > :13:37.The benefit has been frozen at ?700 since 2003.

:13:38. > :13:41.That's despite the average funeral now costing ?3,700,

:13:42. > :13:49.A farmer who built a mock-Tudor castle hidden behind a pile of straw

:13:50. > :13:56.Robert Fidler thought he'd got round the green belt planning laws

:13:57. > :13:59.by hiding the building near Redhill in Surrey.

:14:00. > :14:03.He was first ordered to pull it down in 2007 and was recently told

:14:04. > :14:09.he must comply by June 6th this year or face jail.

:14:10. > :14:12.The new 12-sided ?1 coin has gone into production,

:14:13. > :14:25.The coins have started rolling off the Royal Mint production line

:14:26. > :14:27.at a rate of more than 4,000 a minute.

:14:28. > :14:30.They will come into use from March 17th next year and eventually

:14:31. > :14:33.replace the current round version, which has become too easy to forge.

:14:34. > :14:35.That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

:14:36. > :14:45.In a moment, we are going to hear about a pretty radical approach to

:14:46. > :14:48.treating young offenders which involves lots of education and

:14:49. > :14:52.activities and seems to be cutting reoffending rates in Spain will stop

:14:53. > :14:56.we would love to hear your views, especially if you have served a

:14:57. > :15:00.sentence or you work in a prison or young offenders Institute. Get in

:15:01. > :15:03.touch throughout the morning. Text messages charged at the standard

:15:04. > :15:08.network rate and that film is coming up in a couple of minutes. Time for

:15:09. > :15:12.the sport and even more concerns about the 2222 World Cup in Qatar?

:15:13. > :15:14.The rights group Amnesty International has accused Qatar

:15:15. > :15:16.of using forced labour at their flagship stadium

:15:17. > :15:21.Amnesty says workers at Khalifa International Stadium

:15:22. > :15:27.are forced to live in squalid accommodation, pay huge recruitment

:15:28. > :15:30.fees, have wages withheld and passports confiscated.

:15:31. > :15:32.They're accusing Fifa of "failing almost completely" to stop

:15:33. > :15:34.the tournament being "built on human rights abuses".

:15:35. > :15:37.While Fifa say they're committed to improving the protection

:15:38. > :15:41.of workers' rights, the Qatar government claim the welfare

:15:42. > :15:43.of migrant workers is a "top priority".

:15:44. > :15:46.Amnesty thinks proposed reforms would make little difference and say

:15:47. > :15:50.some of the workers are enduring a "living nightmare".

:15:51. > :15:53.Gary Neville has been sacked as manager of Spanish side Valencia

:15:54. > :16:03.It was his first job in management but the former Manchester United

:16:04. > :16:05.and England defender won just three of 16 league games,

:16:06. > :16:09.leaving them six points clear of the relegation zone in La Liga.

:16:10. > :16:11.Neville says results hadn't met his or the club's standards

:16:12. > :16:21.It is obviously difficult coming to Spain anyway and being a manager

:16:22. > :16:24.where you really have to be vocal and speak the language. It is

:16:25. > :16:31.obviously a difficult situation but I felt that given time, he has shown

:16:32. > :16:34.how much he knows about football. It is obviously a shame he has got

:16:35. > :16:38.sacked but I'm sure he will bounce back stronger. He will have learned

:16:39. > :16:40.from the experience and I'm sure it will stand him in good stead for the

:16:41. > :16:40.future. further than the women by reaching

:16:41. > :16:48.the final of the World T20 cricket where they'll face the winner

:16:49. > :16:51.of West Indies against India, and Chris Jordan restricted

:16:52. > :16:57.New Zealand to 153-8. And Jason Roy made

:16:58. > :17:00.a mockery in reply - crashing 78 off 44 balls as England

:17:01. > :17:02.reached their target with ease. Having won the tournament

:17:03. > :17:14.in 2010, they're all set They are a very exciting group of

:17:15. > :17:19.young cricketers that we have got in the English team. You know, when you

:17:20. > :17:24.have that much power in the batting line-up and skills with the ball,

:17:25. > :17:29.you are going to win games. There is no ceiling to these guys. They

:17:30. > :17:31.really have gone out there and enjoyed the cricket. They have

:17:32. > :17:36.performed exceptionally well. British No 1 Johanna Konta is out

:17:37. > :17:41.of the Miami Open tennis, beaten in the finals

:17:42. > :17:43.by world NO 8 Victoria Konta is the first British woman

:17:44. > :17:47.to reach the last eight of the tournament but went

:17:48. > :17:49.out in straight sets. She would have broken into the world

:17:50. > :17:52.top 20 had she reached the final. And Annika Sorenstam will be

:17:53. > :17:55.Europe's captain for next year's The Swede won ten majors as a player

:17:56. > :17:59.and is the most successful European in the tournament's

:18:00. > :18:01.history, alongside Laura Davies. She was a vice-captain when Europe

:18:02. > :18:04.lost to the United States last I'll have the headlines

:18:05. > :18:19.for you at 9:30. David Cameron will chair

:18:20. > :18:24.an emergency meeting in Downing Street this morning

:18:25. > :18:28.to discuss the government's options for saving Britain's biggest

:18:29. > :18:32.steel-making company. The Shadow Chancellor,

:18:33. > :18:48.John McDonnell joins me What should the government be doing?

:18:49. > :18:52.If there isn't an immediate buyer, then they should stabilise it. We

:18:53. > :18:59.should put in a restructuring plan and a lot of that has come from the

:19:00. > :19:05.management and workforce already. It does need government support. One of

:19:06. > :19:10.the issues we thought would come from the budget, would be support

:19:11. > :19:14.from the business rates. It is about making sure we bring forward our

:19:15. > :19:17.infrastructure projects using British Steel, so there is a

:19:18. > :19:22.long-term plan for infrastructure so we use British Steel and safeguard

:19:23. > :19:26.the industry in the long term and the jobs in the short term.

:19:27. > :19:31.Nationalise it, what does that mean in Pratt Tickle cash terms? It will

:19:32. > :19:36.mean using the business rates support, we will use business rates

:19:37. > :19:43.to support the industry. The business rates issue is a separate

:19:44. > :19:47.issue, you wanted to be reduced for big manufacturing companies like

:19:48. > :19:52.steel-making. What does it mean to nationalise it in terms of

:19:53. > :19:59.taxpayer's money? The company is saying it is losing just over one

:20:00. > :20:04.billion pounds a year. In the short term, if we nationalise the, we

:20:05. > :20:12.would have to cover some of those . Some? It depends on the

:20:13. > :20:16.restructuring process. We have done this in the past, the government

:20:17. > :20:23.introduced the car scrappage scheme to protect the car industry, it did

:20:24. > :20:29.turn it around and we have a viable car industry. In Europe, they

:20:30. > :20:34.subsidise for a period and then turn the industry around. The issue we

:20:35. > :20:40.are facing the moment is the dumping of Chinese steel in the short term.

:20:41. > :20:45.We will need a long-term steel industry in this country if we want

:20:46. > :20:48.to develop our manufacturing and industry base. Government

:20:49. > :20:54.intervention at this stage is appropriate and the right thing to

:20:55. > :20:57.do. That is why we are saying to the Prime Minister, recall Parliament

:20:58. > :21:02.and have a discussion about this plan to save the industry and jobs.

:21:03. > :21:06.Not just the interests of local people, but the interests of the

:21:07. > :21:14.country overall. You are saying tax payers money should fill the gap

:21:15. > :21:20.until a private buyer can be found? Possibly. If a private buyer doesn't

:21:21. > :21:24.want anything to do with it because it is a loss-making business, then

:21:25. > :21:30.what? We want to maintain a public stake. We feel this industry could

:21:31. > :21:33.be turned round if we get government support in the short long-term

:21:34. > :21:37.investment in using British Steel. That is happening across Europe will

:21:38. > :21:43.stop we should be protecting our own steel industry, the weight of the

:21:44. > :21:49.countries are doing. Sorry to interrupt, I want to be clear about

:21:50. > :21:55.what you are saying. That means making people who want to buy steel

:21:56. > :22:00.in this country, making them by British Steel even if it is more

:22:01. > :22:06.expensive than Chinese steel? One of the projects we have been bringing

:22:07. > :22:09.forward have been based on public documents, government investment.

:22:10. > :22:16.Other countries protect their industry and jobs. What is the point

:22:17. > :22:27.of putting it out to tender if they are forced to by British Steel? A

:22:28. > :22:32.lot of it will be about making sure we have the appropriate steel

:22:33. > :22:37.production for what we need in the long term and that means public

:22:38. > :22:39.procurement. That is used extensively to purchase British

:22:40. > :22:43.goods for British services. Remember, it isn't just about the

:22:44. > :22:52.loss of jobs here. If those jobs go and it could be up to 40,000 jobs,

:22:53. > :22:59.we will be paying people to be on the dole rather than at work. Howell

:23:00. > :23:04.communities will be devastated, that is why we need government

:23:05. > :23:09.intervention. We did it in the car manufacturing industry and we can do

:23:10. > :23:17.it here. Work with the private sector as much as we can. Viewers

:23:18. > :23:23.will be saying we did it with the banking industry and then resold

:23:24. > :23:28.back the stakes in some at a loss. Daphne Sane, stop the millions of

:23:29. > :23:32.overseas aid to India and use that money to rescue the plant. The

:23:33. > :23:34.figures are different, but I remember the Labour government

:23:35. > :23:41.backing the private Phoenix consortium bid to buy MG Rover in

:23:42. > :23:47.2000 and spending over five years, 6.5 million pounds of taxpayer's

:23:48. > :23:53.money to keep it afloat and then it went bust anyway. Could that happen

:23:54. > :23:59.with Tata steelworks? We need a long-term steel industry in this

:24:00. > :24:04.country. We need to stop the dumping of Chinese steel, but that needs

:24:05. > :24:08.cooperation from European partners. But our government hasn't supported

:24:09. > :24:12.some of the measures we need across Europe to protect the industry. We

:24:13. > :24:17.can overcome the short term issue of this dumping of Chinese steel, then

:24:18. > :24:24.enable us to have the breathing space to turn industry around. As I

:24:25. > :24:28.said, we did do it with the car industry with the car scrappage

:24:29. > :24:35.scheme. The government cannot stand to one side and the moment they seem

:24:36. > :24:39.to be in a bit of disarray. Reconvene parliament, let's have a

:24:40. > :24:44.plan brought forward that we can support hopefully on a cross-party

:24:45. > :24:49.basis, take the politics out of this and save the jobs. And more

:24:50. > :24:53.importantly, we do not lose an industry we will desperately need in

:24:54. > :24:56.the future as we rebuild our manufacturing base. One final

:24:57. > :25:00.question, the one billion a year Tata is losing, you are suggesting

:25:01. > :25:05.should come from taxpayers at least in the short-term, where would it

:25:06. > :25:10.come from? This is a matter of government priorities. That is why I

:25:11. > :25:16.said in the recent budget, we shouldn't be cutting capital gains

:25:17. > :25:21.tax that went to the 5% of the richest people in our country.

:25:22. > :25:24.Corporation tax tax at the lowest level when corporations are not

:25:25. > :25:28.investing. So reverse those tax cuts? The government has got to get

:25:29. > :25:31.its priorities right, which means investing for the long-term future

:25:32. > :25:34.to protect our industries, but develop them and make them

:25:35. > :25:42.successful, rather than the short term tax gimmicks they keep throwing

:25:43. > :25:49.away. We all lose out in the future and future generations. Thanks for

:25:50. > :25:54.talking to us, John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor from Westminster.

:25:55. > :26:00.Quite a few of you saying what is the difference between this steel

:26:01. > :26:06.plant and the banks a number of years ago just after the recession?

:26:07. > :26:09.You can get in touch in the usual ways.

:26:10. > :26:11.offenders in custody is not good enough".

:26:12. > :26:15.That's what the Government itself says.

:26:16. > :26:18.Everyone seems to agree that the British youth justice

:26:19. > :26:24.What's harder is working out how to improve things so that our high

:26:25. > :26:28.One nation which prides itself on the way it's been cutting youth

:26:29. > :26:33.BBC London's home affairs correspondent Nick Beake travelled

:26:34. > :26:35.to the south east Spanish coast - to find out how they do it

:26:36. > :26:37.and was given exclusive access to where young offenders

:26:38. > :26:49.I owe it my life, really because this place gave me my life,

:26:50. > :26:57.put us back on track and made me who I am today.

:26:58. > :27:04.Because no way, he's not the same boy.

:27:05. > :27:16.We have a new boy and we are very happy for that, yes.

:27:17. > :27:24.What we need to give to these kids is what they have not

:27:25. > :27:48.It is a reunion neither of them could have imagined

:27:49. > :27:55.John was a British young offender, locked up abroad.

:27:56. > :27:58.Esther was one of those trying to help him.

:27:59. > :28:01.But he was one of the most difficult children they had ever met.

:28:02. > :28:04.When he was 15 and on a family holiday in Alicante,

:28:05. > :28:07.John robbed a man at knife-point and was jailed.

:28:08. > :28:11.But three years here changed him for good.

:28:12. > :28:14.Before I came to this place, I was in England, in at least eight

:28:15. > :28:17.different times, eight different centres with

:28:18. > :28:22.And I've come out here, and just the once in Spain

:28:23. > :28:26.and that is it, they sorted me out, just that one time.

:28:27. > :28:29.It has done the world of good for me.

:28:30. > :28:32.It has made me who I am today, basically.

:28:33. > :28:38.So how did Spain succeed where the UK failed?

:28:39. > :28:41.The La Zarza re-educational centre in south-east Spain is probably

:28:42. > :28:46.the most striking youth prison in the whole of the country.

:28:47. > :28:51.Dangerous offenders are given axes to do gardening.

:28:52. > :28:53.They look after the goats and other animals if they have

:28:54. > :29:00.This is the first time British cameras have been allowed in.

:29:01. > :29:05.We agreed not to show the teenagers' faces.

:29:06. > :29:08.Alex tells us he became a burglar at the age of 11,

:29:09. > :29:14.Now 14, he says he regrets what he did.

:29:15. > :29:23.TRANSLATION: At the beginning, it is pretty tough.

:29:24. > :29:26.You don't know what you have got until you have lost it.

:29:27. > :29:28.You have got to get used to not having your friends and family here.

:29:29. > :29:42.17-year-old Ever is a third of the way into her ten-month

:29:43. > :29:49.The judge who sentenced her is visiting today to check

:29:50. > :29:55.That is something that does not happen in the UK.

:29:56. > :29:58.TRANSLATION: Being here makes you see how things really are.

:29:59. > :30:00.For example, I was allowed out on Sunday and I saw that

:30:01. > :30:04.if I was good, I could enjoy myself and I did not have to play up

:30:05. > :30:15.The only time the prisoners are in their rooms is for a 45-minute

:30:16. > :30:21.At some young offenders institutions in the UK, it can be

:30:22. > :30:30.Here, they are kept occupied from dawn until dusk.

:30:31. > :30:33.With activities like beekeeping as well as everything else they have

:30:34. > :30:36.got here, this is miles away from the youth prisons we are used

:30:37. > :30:42.But the people who run this place insists it is not just

:30:43. > :30:45.about the environment and their surroundings.

:30:46. > :30:51.They believe they can bring their philosophy to the UK.

:30:52. > :31:02.This sort of secure school, with a focus on education

:31:03. > :31:05.and rehabilitation, is now being considered

:31:06. > :31:10.That is because the charity Diagrama claim only 20% of the inmates

:31:11. > :31:15.leaving their Spanish prisons reoffend, much lower than the 67%

:31:16. > :31:26.Diagrama are a not-for-profit organisation and they now run nearly

:31:27. > :31:32.They say the one thing that makes the difference above everything else

:31:33. > :31:36.is the role of their so-called educators.

:31:37. > :31:39.They are a bit like an older brother or sister and join

:31:40. > :31:44.Each educator has at least one degree and gives daily direction,

:31:45. > :31:50.discipline and endless encouragement to the inmates.

:31:51. > :31:52.TRANSLATION: You can't constantly be telling them,

:31:53. > :31:56."You're bad, you're evil, you killed someone".

:31:57. > :32:03.You have to see the positive and make them aware

:32:04. > :32:09.You can't be giving them a hard time from day one about how bad

:32:10. > :32:14.You also have to realise they can do good.

:32:15. > :32:17.You have to realise they are capable of positive things, however small.

:32:18. > :32:21.By learning to value those things, they will value their life.

:32:22. > :32:26.There are 25 hours of classroom lessons, including languages

:32:27. > :32:32.and maths, every week, on top of all the other activities.

:32:33. > :32:34.Unlike in the UK, young offenders serve all their sentence in the same

:32:35. > :32:38.place, helping them build strong relationships with the staff.

:32:39. > :32:43.But just how much does this system cost?

:32:44. > :32:47.Well, Spanish authorities say it is ?70,000 per child per year.

:32:48. > :32:51.At similar sized institutions in England and Wales,

:32:52. > :32:59.The explanation is that wages are lower in Spain and these centres

:33:00. > :33:09.They do have security guards but they have much less to do.

:33:10. > :33:16.15-year-old Cristiano attacked both his parents and put his

:33:17. > :33:24.His mum, Deborah, says it has taken time but finally,

:33:25. > :33:27.her son is accepting the help on offer and her family

:33:28. > :33:36.We can come out all together and that, we never did before.

:33:37. > :33:39.For us, we can say, we can speak about a miracle, for us.

:33:40. > :33:46.It is a miracle, for us, for the moment, touch wood.

:33:47. > :33:52.Because, no way, he is not the same boy.

:33:53. > :33:57.We have a new boy and we are very happy for that.

:33:58. > :34:01.Of course, there are those who say all of this is soft justice,

:34:02. > :34:04.a holiday camp for young criminals who don't deserve it and who should

:34:05. > :34:12.This is far away from a holiday camp.

:34:13. > :34:15.If you ask any kid here, they would say they would not

:34:16. > :34:19.want to be here because it is not that fun.

:34:20. > :34:22.But we don't need to make them, how do you say, miserable,

:34:23. > :34:31.Being in a miserable place because they are

:34:32. > :34:37.What we need to do is to cheer them up in terms of making them learn.

:34:38. > :34:40.Learning should be a good experience.

:34:41. > :34:49.John's return to the centre in Alicante has brought

:34:50. > :34:55.But he is convinced that in the future, the Spanish approach

:34:56. > :34:59.could help the toughest young offenders in Britain.

:35:00. > :35:03.In the position I was in, I was probably one of the worst ones

:35:04. > :35:09.Since I have been here, I have been talking to my friends

:35:10. > :35:12.and I've kept quite a few of them out of trouble.

:35:13. > :35:14.They have changed their ways through the stuff that I have

:35:15. > :35:21.If there was a centre, if there were centres in England

:35:22. > :35:24.where they could learn those ways, the way to go in life,

:35:25. > :35:27.then they would have done it themselves, you know what I mean?

:35:28. > :35:31.The British government agrees big changes are needed

:35:32. > :35:37.But will it really invest the time and money needed to make this

:35:38. > :35:49.Later in the programme we'll be hearing from people who've been sent

:35:50. > :35:53.In the programme, we will hear from a mother whose 27-year-old son was

:35:54. > :35:58.stabbed to death and a man who spent two in Feltham Young offenders

:35:59. > :36:02.institution in Middlesex for GBH with intent. He was there from 16 to

:36:03. > :36:07.eating. We will ask them what they think of a Spanish approach. Your

:36:08. > :36:13.views are welcome. Maureen says, rehabilitation courses have a low

:36:14. > :36:15.success rate and early intervention is a vital tool and prison is not

:36:16. > :36:17.always the answer. The pioneering research

:36:18. > :36:19.into children's cancers which could lead to more tailored

:36:20. > :36:22.treatments and better outcomes. And what's led to a delay

:36:23. > :36:24.in the government's controversial We will find out in the next half an

:36:25. > :36:32.hour. Julian is in the BBC Newsroom

:36:33. > :36:35.and has more on that and a summary The Prime Minister is chairing

:36:36. > :36:40.a meeting in Downing Street to discuss the crisis

:36:41. > :36:43.gripping the steel industry, after Britain's biggest producer,

:36:44. > :36:45.Tata, announced plans The Business Secretary Sajid Javid

:36:46. > :36:51.says he's looking at some kind of government support,

:36:52. > :36:53.but nationalisation is not the answer for Tata's largest plant,

:36:54. > :36:55.the Port Talbot works in south Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

:36:56. > :37:11.said he was "shocked" A review of end of life care in

:37:12. > :37:14.England suggest some hospitals are failing to provide round the clock

:37:15. > :37:21.specialist care to patients. It showed only 116 of 142 hospital

:37:22. > :37:25.site. -- 16 of 140 to offer help 20 browser day. Experts at the well

:37:26. > :37:28.College of resistance to lead the study say while there has been some

:37:29. > :37:30.improvement, though still a long way to go to ensure that all dying

:37:31. > :37:32.patient looked after properly. Thousands of drivers are causing

:37:33. > :37:35.crashes on purpose every year so that they can make money out

:37:36. > :37:39.of fraudulent compensation claims, according to figures

:37:40. > :37:40.from one insurance company. The scam is

:37:41. > :37:43.known as cash for crash. Insurance company Aviva says that

:37:44. > :37:46.3,000 claims of this type were made last year, with Birmingham coming

:37:47. > :37:49.out as the worst hot spot The company says they dealt

:37:50. > :37:54.with such claims every three And coming up - we'll be speaking

:37:55. > :38:00.to the owner of a van hire company who believes he has been the victim

:38:01. > :38:05.of the crash for cash scam. A new approach aimed at cutting

:38:06. > :38:08.re-offending rates among teenagers in Spain appears to be achieving

:38:09. > :38:10.success and is being recommended Activities including

:38:11. > :38:17.football, gardening and beekeeping have been introduced at Spanish

:38:18. > :38:20.youth prisons to create a different ethos among inmates with a focus

:38:21. > :38:23.on education and rehabilitation. Re-offending rates appear to have

:38:24. > :38:25.fallen in areas of Spain where the changes

:38:26. > :38:30.have been introduced. Donald Trump, the man who has

:38:31. > :38:34.big-footed his way to the forefront of the Republican race to be

:38:35. > :38:38.president, now finds himself in the midst of a highly public

:38:39. > :38:41.back-tracking on one of the most contentious issues in American

:38:42. > :38:43.politics - abortion. On Wednesday,

:38:44. > :38:47.he told an interviewer on MSNBC if abortion was made illegal,

:38:48. > :38:50.women should be punished He's now said the doctor carrying

:38:51. > :38:56.out an abortion should be Some years ago, he described

:38:57. > :39:01.himself as "pro-choice". That's a summary of

:39:02. > :39:12.the latest BBC News. Thank you for your messages about

:39:13. > :39:16.what the government should do regarding the steel industry in this

:39:17. > :39:19.country. John says, "As a former miner who lost my job, I feel for

:39:20. > :39:24.the steel workers but the same thing happened to the mining industry,

:39:25. > :39:27.thousands lost their jobs so what is so special about the steel industry.

:39:28. > :39:32.The government did not help the mining industry so why should they

:39:33. > :39:34.bail out steel?" Mike says, "Support the steelworks as we supported the

:39:35. > :39:36.banks". The rights group Amnesty

:39:37. > :39:41.International has accused Qatar of using forced labour

:39:42. > :39:43.at their flagship stadium for the 2022 World Cup,

:39:44. > :39:46.and says workers are Both the Qatar government and Fifa

:39:47. > :39:52.claim they're committed England's men managed to go one

:39:53. > :39:57.further than the women by reaching They'll face the winner

:39:58. > :40:01.of West Indies against India, And British No 1 Johanna Konta

:40:02. > :40:06.is out of the Miami Open tennis, beaten in the quarterfinals by world

:40:07. > :40:12.No 8 Victoria Azarenka. I'll be back at 10am

:40:13. > :40:14.with our correspondent Richard Conway, who has more on that

:40:15. > :40:17.story on the conditions for migrant workers at the World

:40:18. > :40:22.Cup stadium in Qatar. Next, the BBC can exclusively reveal

:40:23. > :40:26.that British scientists are beginning work to

:40:27. > :40:28.genetically test tumours Adults with cancer get

:40:29. > :40:33.this treatment already - but cancer treatments for young

:40:34. > :40:36.people are lagging behind. The aim is that children

:40:37. > :40:39.will get access to newer, more personalised medicines

:40:40. > :40:42.which will improve survival rates. Jane Dreaper is our

:40:43. > :40:53.health correspondent. Good morning. Why are treatments for

:40:54. > :40:56.children not as advanced as those for adults? Children rarely get

:40:57. > :41:00.cancer which is of course a good thing but it means there are not

:41:01. > :41:03.huge numbers of them to test new treatments on. There is really

:41:04. > :41:07.exciting work going on in cancer medicine, drugs coming into the

:41:08. > :41:12.field which target the cancer cells and leave healthy cells alone. It is

:41:13. > :41:15.far less painful treatment for people to go through. You can see

:41:16. > :41:19.the obvious advantages. But children are not getting the same kind of

:41:20. > :41:22.access to these treatments. All the effort by the drug companies tends

:41:23. > :41:27.to be focused on adults. What the scientists are doing this genetic

:41:28. > :41:29.testing hope is that they will find out lots of detailed information

:41:30. > :41:34.about the genetic changes in each cancer tumour that they are testing.

:41:35. > :41:38.It will give them a case for doctors to say, we think this drug could

:41:39. > :41:43.work on this child, and a much more targeted approach in the future. If

:41:44. > :41:46.it is more targeted and more bespoke, if you like, what

:41:47. > :41:49.difference could it make to a child with cancer? The hope is it might

:41:50. > :41:54.spare then some of the side-effects which we are no are very similar to

:41:55. > :41:58.that, from chemotherapy and radiotherapy, which can be hugely

:41:59. > :42:03.punishing for children and adults. Is it just a pilot scheme? It is

:42:04. > :42:06.research work which is beginning in London but will spread to children

:42:07. > :42:11.being treated at 21 hospitals in the UK in the next two years. They aim

:42:12. > :42:15.to test around 400 children's tumours in the next two years. It is

:42:16. > :42:18.difficult to know how many children it will make a big difference to

:42:19. > :42:22.immediately but they think it will give the case for at least some

:42:23. > :42:22.having access to better, more effective modern treatment. Thank

:42:23. > :42:24.you for joining us. Let's introduce you to Jack Daly,

:42:25. > :42:27.who was diagnosed with a brain tumour when he was seven,

:42:28. > :42:38.and his mum Helen. How are you? Thank you for joining

:42:39. > :42:44.us. Jack, how old were you when you were diagnosed? Seven. What do you

:42:45. > :42:48.remember about the treatment? I just remember it was a horrible thing to

:42:49. > :42:54.have. As long as it was to cure and get rid of the cancer, it would be

:42:55. > :42:59.all right. But actually, the after-effects have affected my life

:43:00. > :43:08.now, with things like sensory issues, anxiety, fatigue. But

:43:09. > :43:13.mainly, just stress, really. So you initially had surgery followed by

:43:14. > :43:19.chemotherapy and then radiotherapy? Yes. I think as a result of that

:43:20. > :43:21.treatment, you have to have a growth hormone injection every day which is

:43:22. > :43:31.just another illustration of how your daily life has changed. Yes.

:43:32. > :43:34.Helen, for most parents, it is unimaginable, thinking what they

:43:35. > :43:38.would do if their child had cancer. Take us back to when Jack was seven.

:43:39. > :43:44.I think you had an instinct that it potentially was a tumour. It is

:43:45. > :43:47.every parent's nightmare, you don't think it will happen. Jack was being

:43:48. > :43:52.sick everyday, every morning and had headaches. It went on for about

:43:53. > :43:56.eight weeks. I took him to the GP and had about three visits and

:43:57. > :44:03.finally, Jack was being sick in the car park of the surgery so we had to

:44:04. > :44:09.go to A When you were eventually told the diagnosis, how did you

:44:10. > :44:14.react? Shocked. Even though I had an inkling, to be told your child has a

:44:15. > :44:20.brain tumour was just shopping. I could not really take it in. -- just

:44:21. > :44:25.shocking. We were rushed by ambulance to the hospital. Tell us

:44:26. > :44:29.about the treatment, starting with surgery and after that? Jack had two

:44:30. > :44:33.operations, the first to relieve the fluid in his brain which was what

:44:34. > :44:39.was making him feel sick. That had built up from the tumour, blocking

:44:40. > :44:46.the tubes. And then after that, he had the tumour removed. How long was

:44:47. > :44:52.that operation? Eight or nine hours but it felt like a weak! I'm sure it

:44:53. > :44:56.did. Presumably, you did not know what the outcome would be after that

:44:57. > :45:02.operation? We did not know if Jack would wake up as Jack. It was a very

:45:03. > :45:06.worrying time. After that, chemotherapy and radiotherapy which,

:45:07. > :45:10.as we know, you know, is very good at killing and destroying cancer

:45:11. > :45:16.cells but also destroys the healthy cells as well. From your point of

:45:17. > :45:21.view, how is Jack different in terms of his daily life? Well, it starts

:45:22. > :45:25.at 6am. It is hard to wake him up because he suffers with fatigue. He

:45:26. > :45:31.has his tablets to wake him up, thyroxine, cortisone. Then he is

:45:32. > :45:37.quite anxious through the day. He goes to school and worries about

:45:38. > :45:42.everything. His memory has really been affected. We are always losing

:45:43. > :45:44.things. But you know, we were very lucky that the treatment saved his

:45:45. > :45:58.life. But in terms of this story today,

:45:59. > :46:03.this genetic testing of tumours, to hopefully create more effective and

:46:04. > :46:10.tailor treatments for children, what do you think of that? It would make

:46:11. > :46:13.a huge difference. You could target children's' specific needs, every

:46:14. > :46:22.child is different, every tumour is different. What do you think, Jack?

:46:23. > :46:28.I think it would be really good. I don't want other children to go

:46:29. > :46:38.through the same thing I went through. It is not good. It has done

:46:39. > :46:45.its job, but it has left all these after effects. How do you think

:46:46. > :46:51.about the future, you are only 14, maybe you don't think that far

:46:52. > :46:56.ahead, but what do you think of the future having experienced what you

:46:57. > :47:03.have over the last seven years or so? I will always have these after

:47:04. > :47:11.effects, maybe it might get better. I don't think it will ever go. We

:47:12. > :47:17.will have two just deal with it. It is life changing. Thank you very

:47:18. > :47:21.much, Helen. Jack, thank you so much. All the best. Thank you.

:47:22. > :47:25.The latest controversy to come from the presidential campaign

:47:26. > :47:27.of Donald Trump, as he says women should be punished for having

:47:28. > :47:27.an abortion, before backtracking on his comments.

:47:28. > :47:34.Then he performed a U-turn saying the dock are responsible should be

:47:35. > :47:44.punished, not the woman. We will bring you the details.

:47:45. > :47:47.The government's blanket ban on legal highs has been delayed

:47:48. > :47:53.The plan had been for any substance capable of producing

:47:54. > :47:55.a psychoactive effect, that is affecting the brain in some

:47:56. > :48:00.But it's been postponed following claims the legislation's

:48:01. > :48:01.current definition a psychoactive drug is not enforceable

:48:02. > :48:05.Legal highs are substances which produce the same,

:48:06. > :48:07.or similar effects, to drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy.

:48:08. > :48:10.Danny Kuchlick is the Head of External Affairs at Transform,

:48:11. > :48:16.a charitable think tank that campaigns for the legal regulation

:48:17. > :48:30.Hello. What do you think is behind this delay? The act itself has been

:48:31. > :48:35.an object of ridicule as it has gone through various stages of the bill.

:48:36. > :48:39.The attempt to define what a psychoactive substance is, as

:48:40. > :48:48.distinct from other activities or even internal chemicals that can

:48:49. > :48:53.make individuals, to make them feel good. It is difficult to make a

:48:54. > :48:58.distinction between a drug and something like a pheromone. Or

:48:59. > :49:04.incense, there was a letter written to the drugs Minister at the Home

:49:05. > :49:10.Office from someone in the Church of England asking whether incense would

:49:11. > :49:15.fall under the ban. Lord Bates in the House of Lords, defending the

:49:16. > :49:18.bill, had to make an argument that alcohol wasn't a psychoactive

:49:19. > :49:23.substance, according to the definition. There is a problem of

:49:24. > :49:31.formulating and act like this in order to do one job. It is not about

:49:32. > :49:36.protect Ding harm, it is not about looking after people and looking

:49:37. > :49:44.after health, it is closing head shops. What would the motivation be

:49:45. > :49:51.from the government? Let's look at the evidence, in Ireland where it

:49:52. > :49:56.has been done, they did close the head shops. All the trade went

:49:57. > :50:01.underground. All the things that were sold in head shops were now

:50:02. > :50:08.sold by illegal drug dealers. The supply is still there and people are

:50:09. > :50:15.using it. And they are using it in larger numbers than before the act

:50:16. > :50:21.came in. In Poland it has caused harm because people know even less

:50:22. > :50:27.about what they are using. It has driven the trade into the hands of

:50:28. > :50:32.illegal drug dealers, as one would have expect it. The only thing we

:50:33. > :50:37.have to remember here is the legal highs market is created by the

:50:38. > :50:42.prohibition of drugs like cannabis, ecstasy and cocaine. We have a

:50:43. > :50:48.situation where government legislation, the misuse of drugs act

:50:49. > :50:52.1971 has created a gap in the market for legal highs and they are using

:50:53. > :50:56.another prohibition to kibosh that market. It is crazy, building

:50:57. > :50:59.insanity upon insanity. We need to legally regulate traditional drugs

:51:00. > :51:03.and that will collapse the legal highs market and it won't exist any

:51:04. > :51:08.more because people will prefer to use drugs they know and understand

:51:09. > :51:13.drugs that have been used for hundreds and in some cases,

:51:14. > :51:19.thousands of years. I will come back to your point you want to legally

:51:20. > :51:26.regulate traditional drugs, but in terms of this delay on this and on

:51:27. > :51:31.legal highs, the reason it might not be enforceable is because the police

:51:32. > :51:39.could potentially go into these head shops and would not be able to be

:51:40. > :51:46.clear about what was a legal high, and what wasn't, is that the bottom

:51:47. > :51:51.line? That is the bottom line. It is so badly drafted, it is shameful for

:51:52. > :51:56.all of the political parties that support it. The Tories, Labour Party

:51:57. > :52:02.and SNP all backed this lousy legislation which is only going to

:52:03. > :52:07.produce harm. You want to legislate illegal drugs, what does that mean?

:52:08. > :52:13.Take it out of the hands of dealers and putting it back into the hands

:52:14. > :52:17.of government. Sorry, what? You mean the government would describe drugs

:52:18. > :52:23.or sell drugs? Some of them would be prescribed, some of them would be

:52:24. > :52:32.dispensed from pharmacies and some would be sold under licence. We have

:52:33. > :52:37.those methods in place and a lot of those drugs are already dispensed in

:52:38. > :52:41.that way. Cocaine is produced for the legal cocaine market. Heroin,

:52:42. > :52:47.half of the world's opium is grown for the legal opiates market. Some

:52:48. > :52:52.of it prescribed, some of it sold. This is not a radical step.

:52:53. > :52:57.Prohibition is the radical move. The way to stop risk-taking behaviours

:52:58. > :52:57.is to regulate them. Thank you for joining us.

:52:58. > :53:04.Thanks for your comments on the film we were showing on Spain. Activities

:53:05. > :53:07.across the country from dawn until dusk, including basketball,

:53:08. > :53:11.football, beekeeping and this charity running these particular

:53:12. > :53:15.centres, says that, alongside 25 hours of lessons every week in

:53:16. > :53:20.mathematics and other subjects has cut reoffending rate to 20%. Anthony

:53:21. > :53:25.watched the film. The main problem with reoffending is soft sentencing

:53:26. > :53:34.and cradle to the grave welfare state that large numbers of people

:53:35. > :53:41.treat as a lifestyle choice. It is inspiring me to see Spain treatment

:53:42. > :53:47.of young offenders. Jane tweeted this, the British justice system

:53:48. > :53:52.could learn a lot. Darren says, British psychology is historically

:53:53. > :53:56.savage. We excel in being judgmental, the rehabilitation of

:53:57. > :54:03.convicts is impossible. I am not sure I quite understand that. But

:54:04. > :54:19.anyway, thank you, you can get in touch in the usual ways.

:54:20. > :54:29.Donald Trump, after coming under fire for his comments on abortion,

:54:30. > :54:32.has had to do a U-turn. This is what he normally said.

:54:33. > :54:34.The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

:54:35. > :54:48.You take positions on everything else.

:54:49. > :54:49.I do take positions on everything else,

:54:50. > :54:54.What about the guy who gets her pregnant?

:54:55. > :54:56.Is he responsible in law for these abortions or not?

:54:57. > :55:00.Different feelings, different people.

:55:01. > :55:07.After those comments he came under attack from different people. He

:55:08. > :55:09.said the dock doors should be punished, not the women.

:55:10. > :55:12.Our correspondent Will Ross joins me.

:55:13. > :55:23.He said his position hasn't changed. People who look back through history

:55:24. > :55:28.said it will change even more. In 1999, he said he was pro-choice and

:55:29. > :55:34.didn't want to ban abortions. This is a controversy, but will it

:55:35. > :55:39.damages race for the White House? He seems to just attract controversy

:55:40. > :55:43.wherever he goes. Not much of it has made any difference. It has boosted

:55:44. > :55:50.his popularity. Not amongst women, and this might not help? Has he

:55:51. > :55:58.crossed the line? He has said so many other things that people have

:55:59. > :56:04.said, he has gone too far and done it this time. On this issue in

:56:05. > :56:08.particular, it is so controversial in America, the Democratic party

:56:09. > :56:16.split on the whole abortion issue. Part of his popularity is because he

:56:17. > :56:23.has been seen as a Washington outsider. Now he wants to be seen as

:56:24. > :56:29.a real Republican conservative, he has had to change his views. But he

:56:30. > :56:33.doesn't walk away from the controversy. Another one this week,

:56:34. > :56:37.his campaign manager charged with assault after this journalist said

:56:38. > :56:41.she had been bruised and badly assaulted by this campaign manager.

:56:42. > :56:47.Donald Trump admitted herself, I could have fired the man and walked

:56:48. > :56:52.away from it. That he is standing there and allowing the controversy

:56:53. > :56:55.to swell around. On this occasion, an extraordinary U-turn on a topic

:56:56. > :56:59.that could alienate him from many female voters especially.

:57:00. > :57:05.The 3,000 scam car crashes staged last year to make

:57:06. > :57:17.We'll ask what can be done to stop them.

:57:18. > :57:31.It has been a glorious start to the country, cold one, but some lovely

:57:32. > :57:38.pictures, this one in Leicestershire. This is glorious in

:57:39. > :57:46.the valleys of Wales. It sets the theme up for the rest of the day.

:57:47. > :57:50.Sunny spells but the showers will develop as we head into the

:57:51. > :57:55.afternoon. The satellite picture shows how much sunshine we have got

:57:56. > :58:00.across the area. Cloud around southern central Scotland. Some of

:58:01. > :58:05.the heaviest of the showers as we head into the afternoon period. Some

:58:06. > :58:10.of them may contain hail and thunder. Cold start across northern

:58:11. > :58:14.Scotland, temperatures down to minus seven, minus eight in places.

:58:15. > :58:17.Temperatures will recover slowly into the afternoon. Few showers for

:58:18. > :58:24.Northern Ireland, southern Scotland and northern England. Could be a

:58:25. > :58:28.heavy one mixed in with hail and thunder. A good deal of sunshine.

:58:29. > :58:34.The showers will be scattered and many places staying dry with light

:58:35. > :58:38.winds. 13, maybe 14 Celsius in the warmer spots. This evening, even

:58:39. > :58:43.though showers die away, and under clear skies and light winds, it will

:58:44. > :58:47.be another cold night with widespread frost and mist and fog

:58:48. > :58:51.patches. But notice the change across the West, increasing cloud

:58:52. > :58:57.and strengthening wind. Less cold here by the end of the night. Start

:58:58. > :59:00.Friday on a cold, frosty note. Gale force winds, outbreaks of rain per

:59:01. > :59:03.Scotland and Northern Ireland feeding into north-west England,

:59:04. > :59:07.parts of northern and western Wales. The cloud will be thickening up

:59:08. > :59:15.button for much of England hazy sunshine and the best to the

:59:16. > :59:18.south-east with the best of the temperatures. The weather front

:59:19. > :59:22.sinks further south and east Friday night and into Saturday morning.

:59:23. > :59:27.Then it will retreat northwards again as we head into Saturday. We

:59:28. > :59:31.pick up southerly winds. Southern areas will be dry, bright with

:59:32. > :59:35.sunshine with maybe the odd heavy shower later on. But the north-west

:59:36. > :59:41.England, southern Scotland, it could be wet, with persistent rain. We

:59:42. > :59:47.will keep you updated. Then we see the warm air imported from the near

:59:48. > :59:51.constant across many parts of England and Wales on Sunday. It

:59:52. > :59:55.looks like this stage, more western areas cloudier with outbreaks of

:59:56. > :59:58.rain and strong wind. At the southern areas, look at those

:59:59. > :00:03.temperatures, we could make 20 Celsius in 12 places. A bit

:00:04. > :00:05.uncertain see as to where the heaviest rain will fall. Keep tuned

:00:06. > :00:08.to the weather forecast. Hello it's Thursday, it's 10am,

:00:09. > :00:10.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, After emergency talks

:00:11. > :00:18.at Downing Street, David Cameron says nationalisation is not

:00:19. > :00:20.the answer to solving We'll look at the other options open

:00:21. > :00:24.to ministers and ask whether jobs Could a radical rethink of the way

:00:25. > :00:28.we punish young criminals We have exclusive access

:00:29. > :00:32.to a Spanish treatment centre where a different

:00:33. > :00:34.approach seems to work. And we hear from a British

:00:35. > :00:36.youngster who was sent there when he was

:00:37. > :00:38.arrested on holiday. I was probably one of

:00:39. > :00:41.the worst out of my friends. Since I have been here,

:00:42. > :00:43.I have been talking to my friends and I have kept quite

:00:44. > :00:47.a few of them out of trouble. They have changed their

:00:48. > :00:48.ways through the stuff And what can be done to stop

:00:49. > :00:57."crash-for-cash" car prangs? More than 3,000 were staged last

:00:58. > :00:59.year, in order to make Julian is in the BBC Newsroom

:01:00. > :01:16.and has the latest news. David Cameron says the government

:01:17. > :01:19.is doing all it can to resolve the steel crisis but has ruled out

:01:20. > :01:23.nationalising the industry. Britain's biggest producer,

:01:24. > :01:26.Tata announced plans to sell its UK operations, which are losing

:01:27. > :01:29.millions of pounds. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

:01:30. > :01:31.says that if necessary, the British steel industry should be

:01:32. > :01:35.nationalised to stabilise the industry - and thinks that

:01:36. > :01:49.parliament should be recalled I don't believe nationalisation is

:01:50. > :01:52.the right answer. We want to secure a long-term future for Port Talbot

:01:53. > :01:57.and other steel-making plants in the UK. This is an issue where I have

:01:58. > :02:00.had teams of ministers working for months to help the industry, to make

:02:01. > :02:06.sure that we procure British steel for ships and other vital industries

:02:07. > :02:14.in the UK. We have cut the energy costs of British Steel.

:02:15. > :02:16.Government intervention at this stage is, I think,

:02:17. > :02:18.appropriate and the right thing to do.

:02:19. > :02:20.That is why we are saying to the Prime Minister,

:02:21. > :02:23.recall Parliament and let's have a discussion of this plan

:02:24. > :02:25.so that we can work together to save the jobs

:02:26. > :02:28.and save the industry, in the interests of not just

:02:29. > :02:30.the local people but also in the interests of the country

:02:31. > :02:33.British scientists are beginning research which could dramatically

:02:34. > :02:35.improve the treatment of children who have cancer.

:02:36. > :02:38.The research at the Royal Marsden Hospital in London is aimed

:02:39. > :02:40.at finding newer, more personalised treatments and involves carrying out

:02:41. > :02:43.genetic tests on tumours from young people who have been diagnosed

:02:44. > :02:46.Scientists say it should accelerate their access to important

:02:47. > :02:49.new drugs and increase survival rates.

:02:50. > :02:51.A review of end-of-life care in England suggests some hospitals

:02:52. > :02:54.are failing to provide round-the-clock specialist

:02:55. > :03:01.It showed only 16 of 142 hospital sites offer specialists on site 24

:03:02. > :03:06.Experts at the Royal College of Physicians who led the study say

:03:07. > :03:08.while there has been some improvement, there's still a long

:03:09. > :03:12.way to go to ensure all dying patients get looked after properly.

:03:13. > :03:16.Thousands of drivers are causing crashes on purpose every year

:03:17. > :03:19.so that they can make money out of fraudulent compensation claims,

:03:20. > :03:22.according to figures from one insurance company.

:03:23. > :03:26.The scam is known as cash for crash.

:03:27. > :03:29.Insurance company Aviva says that 3,000 claims of this type were made

:03:30. > :03:32.last year, with Birmingham coming out as the worst hot spot

:03:33. > :03:37.The company says they dealt with such claims every three

:03:38. > :03:43.A new approach aimed at cutting re-offending rates among teenagers

:03:44. > :03:45.in Spain appears to be achieving success and is being recommended

:03:46. > :03:52.Activities including football, gardening and beekeeping

:03:53. > :03:54.have been introduced at Spanish youth prisons to create a different

:03:55. > :03:58.ethos among inmates with a focus on education and rehabilitation.

:03:59. > :04:01.Re-offending rates appear to have fallen in areas of Spain

:04:02. > :04:09.where the changes have been introduced.

:04:10. > :04:14.US presidential candidate Donald Trump has found himself in the midst

:04:15. > :04:19.of a highly public backtracking on one of the most contentious issues

:04:20. > :04:24.in American politics, abortion. On Wednesday, he told an interviewer on

:04:25. > :04:28.MSNBC that if abortion was made illegal, women should be punished

:04:29. > :04:29.for having them. He has now said the doctor carrying out an abortion

:04:30. > :04:32.should be held legally responsible. The answer is that there has to be

:04:33. > :04:35.some form of punishment. Ten years?

:04:36. > :04:39.What? That I don't know.

:04:40. > :04:40.Why not? You take positions

:04:41. > :04:41.on everything else. I do take positions

:04:42. > :04:43.on everything else, What about the guy

:04:44. > :04:47.who gets her pregnant? Is he responsible in law

:04:48. > :04:49.for these abortions or not? Different feelings,

:04:50. > :04:51.different people. A farmer who built a mock-Tudor

:04:52. > :04:57.castle hidden behind a pile of straw Robert Fidler thought he'd got

:04:58. > :05:03.round the green belt planning laws by hiding the building

:05:04. > :05:11.near Redhill in Surrey. He was first ordered to pull it down

:05:12. > :05:15.in 2007 and was recently told he must comply by June 6th

:05:16. > :05:19.this year or face jail. The new 12-sided ?1 coin has

:05:20. > :05:21.gone into production, The coins have started rolling off

:05:22. > :05:26.the Royal Mint production line at a rate of more

:05:27. > :05:31.than 4,000 a minute. They will come into use from March

:05:32. > :05:33.17th next year and eventually replace the current round version,

:05:34. > :05:40.which has become too easy to forge. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:41. > :05:51.News, Victoria, more at 10.30am. Thanks for your reaction to the

:05:52. > :05:55.story on deradicalise bridge to youth offending in Spain. David

:05:56. > :05:59.says, "The project is conducted in large outdoor spaces in a sunny

:06:00. > :06:02.climate which would be difficult to replicate in inner London, for

:06:03. > :06:06.example. Secondly, being part of the euro has resulted in 60% Spanish

:06:07. > :06:08.youth unemployment. The problems will re-occur when they are released

:06:09. > :06:11.because they will be out of work". Do get in touch with us

:06:12. > :06:14.throughout the morning. Use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE

:06:15. > :06:17.and if you text, you will be charged The rights group Amnesty

:06:18. > :06:21.International has accused Qatar of using forced labour

:06:22. > :06:28.at their flagship stadium It says workers are living a

:06:29. > :06:32.nightmare out there. Our sports news correspondent

:06:33. > :06:40.Richard Conway is here. Richard, this is the last thing the

:06:41. > :06:44.World Cup needed. This has been a disaster for Qatar since it was

:06:45. > :06:48.awarded the World Cup in December 2000 ten. Five years on, there's

:06:49. > :06:52.been reports before about abuse of migrant labourers within Qatar,

:06:53. > :06:57.building infrastructure projects. But this new Amnesty report looks at

:06:58. > :07:01.the stadium which will host several games during the Qatar World Cup.

:07:02. > :07:04.For the first time, Amnesty say that human rights and labour abuses are

:07:05. > :07:08.taking place on actual World Cup site. In the last few minutes, I

:07:09. > :07:14.have spoken to the chief executive of the World Cup 2022 committee in

:07:15. > :07:17.Qatar. I asked him about this report and he's given his reaction,

:07:18. > :07:21.insisting that progress on the ground is being made. In relation to

:07:22. > :07:25.a number of the issues that are raised in the report itself, a

:07:26. > :07:28.number of these matters have been addressed. Four companies have been

:07:29. > :07:32.covered under this report. One of them has been banned from further

:07:33. > :07:34.projects and is making progress on the stadium in terms of delivering

:07:35. > :07:41.on their commitments to the standards. Another of these

:07:42. > :07:45.companies has become a benchmark in how to comply with the standards and

:07:46. > :07:49.matters have improved significantly. They have improved significantly not

:07:50. > :07:52.only for the 140 workers on the stadium or relating to the

:07:53. > :07:56.particular project but it also covers all the workforce and all the

:07:57. > :07:59.other projects as well. Two of the other companies that have been

:08:00. > :08:04.covered under the report are actually banned now and do not --

:08:05. > :08:07.are not allowed to get involved in any projects until they approved the

:08:08. > :08:12.situation and address the issues on the ground. Explaining sadly what

:08:13. > :08:17.the accusations are because people will be watching this morning saying

:08:18. > :08:20.inevitably, working conditions are different to Europe. Qatar has made

:08:21. > :08:24.a big play of making sure that this World Cup was constructed in the

:08:25. > :08:27.right weight and on ethical grounds but what researchers for Amnesty

:08:28. > :08:31.have found is that lots of workers coming from poorer migrant countries

:08:32. > :08:34.like Bangladesh, India and the Philippines have been promised big

:08:35. > :08:37.salaries and when they get there, they find out that is not the case

:08:38. > :08:43.they are being paid much less. Their passports have been withheld and

:08:44. > :08:46.they have stop standard -- substandard living conditions. Qatar

:08:47. > :08:49.said progress has been made and they have written by the situation but

:08:50. > :08:53.this is an embarrassing report for Qatar, no matter which way they try

:08:54. > :08:57.to cut it. This was about Qatar showing that it was building World

:08:58. > :08:59.Cup stadiums on ethical grounds and infrastructure projects were a

:09:00. > :09:03.government issue and they were being dealt with and developed. That is

:09:04. > :09:06.not the case and they have a major issue on their hands now to convince

:09:07. > :09:11.the watching world and the football community that they are doing this

:09:12. > :09:14.the right way. Act-macro Richard Conway, there. This is a developing

:09:15. > :09:16.story and we will keep you right across it and have the headlines at

:09:17. > :09:19.10:30am. Good morning and welcome to the

:09:20. > :09:21.programme. David Cameron says the government

:09:22. > :09:31.is doing everything it can The Prime Minister has chaired an

:09:32. > :09:36.emergency meeting in Downing Street to discuss options for saving

:09:37. > :09:39.Britain's biggest deal making company, Tata Steel. Labour says the

:09:40. > :09:43.bridges steel industry should be nationalised to stabilise it. We

:09:44. > :09:46.spoke to the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell a little earlier but the

:09:47. > :09:49.Prime Minister insisted that nationalisation is not the answer.

:09:50. > :09:57.The situation at Port Talbot is of deep concern. I know how important

:09:58. > :10:00.those jobs are. They are vital to work's families and vital to the

:10:01. > :10:03.communities and the government will do everything it can, working with

:10:04. > :10:08.the company, to try to secure the future of steel-making import all

:10:09. > :10:11.that and across our country. It is a viable industry. When you say

:10:12. > :10:15.everything you can, are you ruling out nationalisation in the long

:10:16. > :10:18.term? And also in the short term, are you going to push the European

:10:19. > :10:23.Union on tariffs given that it seems Britain has blocked tariffs that

:10:24. > :10:26.could prevent steel dumping? First, we are not ruling anything out. I

:10:27. > :10:30.don't believe nationalisation is the right answer. We want to secure a

:10:31. > :10:35.long-term future for Port Talbot and other steel-making plants in the UK.

:10:36. > :10:38.This is an issue where I have had teams of ministers working for

:10:39. > :10:43.months to help this industry, to make sure that we procure British

:10:44. > :10:47.Steel for our ships and other vital industries in the UK. We have cut

:10:48. > :10:51.the energy costs of British Steel and also, with others in Europe, we

:10:52. > :10:56.have made sure that there are proper penalties for those who dump cheap

:10:57. > :11:00.steel on the market. But this industry is in difficulty, right

:11:01. > :11:03.across the world, there's been a collapse in prices and there's

:11:04. > :11:05.massive overcapacity but we are doing everything we can. We were

:11:06. > :11:10.concerned that there was the chance that there could have been an

:11:11. > :11:14.outright closure of Port Talbot. That is why we worked very hard with

:11:15. > :11:17.the company to make sure there is a proper sales process. We will be

:11:18. > :11:22.doing everything we can to encourage people to come forward. But this is

:11:23. > :11:26.a difficult situation. There's no guarantees of success. Finally, it

:11:27. > :11:30.sounds like you think the EU tariffs are at the right level. Secondly,

:11:31. > :11:34.why have you been behind the curve in all of this. You were on holiday

:11:35. > :11:38.and the Business Minister was in Australia. This was a decision you

:11:39. > :11:42.have known was coming for months so why was there no plan to provide

:11:43. > :11:44.some certainty to the steel in south Wales? We have had a plan and we

:11:45. > :11:48.have been working to that plan because as I have said, we have had

:11:49. > :11:52.teams of ministers working on procurement and cutting energy

:11:53. > :11:55.costs, working on making sure we act properly in Europe, making sure we

:11:56. > :11:58.work with the company. One of the things we were concerned about was

:11:59. > :12:02.that there might have been an announcement of an outright closure

:12:03. > :12:06.and actually, our intervention has helped to make sure there will at

:12:07. > :12:10.least be a sales process. Now we need to work very hard with the

:12:11. > :12:13.company and the communities and with potential purchasers, recognising

:12:14. > :12:17.that the British government stands ready to do whatever it can to help

:12:18. > :12:21.in what is a very difficult situation. Let me make this point

:12:22. > :12:27.about the European dimension of this. Look, it is vital that those

:12:28. > :12:31.European markets are open. Around 50% of British steel production goes

:12:32. > :12:37.into the EU. We need to be in there, working with others, to stop the

:12:38. > :12:39.underfed dumping of steel -- unfair dubbing of steel into Europe by

:12:40. > :12:43.other countries and we have done that but we need to be in there

:12:44. > :12:47.making sure the markets are open. If we were on the outside, we might

:12:48. > :12:51.well find that it was our steel that was having the tariffs and taxes put

:12:52. > :12:54.on it. We have got the right plan and we are going to work very hard

:12:55. > :12:57.with the company to do everything we can. But it is a difficult

:12:58. > :13:02.situation. There can be no guarantees of success because of the

:13:03. > :13:06.problems the steel industry faces worldwide. But the government will

:13:07. > :13:09.do everything it can to help, working with the company and the

:13:10. > :13:12.communities, to try to secure the future of this vital steel-making

:13:13. > :13:16.import Aubert and elsewhere in the UK. -- in Port Talbot.

:13:17. > :13:18.Let's go to Downing Street and join our Political Guru,

:13:19. > :13:26.He said they're not ruling anything out but they are ruling out

:13:27. > :13:28.nationalisation but what about other government intervention? There's a

:13:29. > :13:33.whole series of steps the government can take in terms of state aid. You

:13:34. > :13:36.could look at subsidies. You can look that underwriting loans. You

:13:37. > :13:39.can look at reshaping the procurement rules so that big,

:13:40. > :13:44.British infrastructure products like HS2 have to buy British Steel. There

:13:45. > :13:47.are things the state can do. But listening to the Prime Minister, I

:13:48. > :13:52.was struck twice because he said there could be no guarantee of

:13:53. > :13:55.success. I do detect there is real apprehension that the government is

:13:56. > :13:58.going to be able to save these plants, certainly to save the

:13:59. > :14:04.thousands of jobs at stake. Underpinning that is the fact that

:14:05. > :14:08.they are in limbo land, to some extent because they don't quite know

:14:09. > :14:12.what Tata Steel's real intentions are. They had a conference call with

:14:13. > :14:18.them yesterday where all the key players were on the phone. They

:14:19. > :14:23.could not get from Tata a clear commitment on how long they have got

:14:24. > :14:26.to find a buyer. That is absolutely critical because if you have only

:14:27. > :14:30.got a few weeks, as seems the case, that is really difficult, not least

:14:31. > :14:34.of which is because it means the buyers have basically got the key

:14:35. > :14:38.bargaining position because they know the government has got a gun to

:14:39. > :14:41.its head and it's got to do a deal pronto. Despite pressing and

:14:42. > :14:46.pressing Tata Steel, they would not give them a clear timeline. That has

:14:47. > :14:50.led to this fear, as I say, that may be the real game is just to close

:14:51. > :14:54.the plants, come what may. I think that is the apprehension. If you

:14:55. > :15:00.listen to the Prime Minister, it seems to me that he was not talking

:15:01. > :15:04.up so much the need to save a vital industry and how steel was critical

:15:05. > :15:07.to the future of the country. He was warning that success cannot be

:15:08. > :15:11.guaranteed. I think there has to be a real nervous as now, particularly

:15:12. > :15:13.in the steel communities, about how far it is going to be possible to

:15:14. > :15:18.rescue these plants. Tomos Morgan is outside the plant

:15:19. > :15:35.at Port Talbot for us now. The anxiety, the uncertainty for the

:15:36. > :15:40.workers goes on, Thomas? Yes, I am sure some people will have been

:15:41. > :15:44.angered by the Prime Minister's comments that there are no

:15:45. > :15:49.guarantees this could be a success and nationalisation will not be an

:15:50. > :15:56.answer. The steelworks has been here for 60 years at least. It has been a

:15:57. > :16:00.workforce for this town and surrounding area. This council

:16:01. > :16:08.worked here at one stage for almost 30 years, so how important is this

:16:09. > :16:15.not just hope Port Talbot but the surrounding area? It is the rack

:16:16. > :16:21.bone of this part of Wales. For every steelworker that works in

:16:22. > :16:27.here, there is about four jobs depend on it outside in other

:16:28. > :16:30.services. How will the Prime Minister was macro comments go down?

:16:31. > :16:36.Extreme disappointment. He has done nothing to alleviate the concern of

:16:37. > :16:41.the community since the announcement was made. We need intervention by

:16:42. > :16:47.the UK Government with financial support. You think that is the

:16:48. > :16:52.answer, financial support? Definitely, we are part of the UK

:16:53. > :16:56.and the government should recognise that. If they are supporting banking

:16:57. > :17:01.institutions and financial institutions in London, why don't

:17:02. > :17:09.they come down here and help us out as well? You said there were 20,000

:17:10. > :17:17.people working here, that figure is about 3500, so how is some ink so

:17:18. > :17:22.important to industry and community, how has that been dwindled down

:17:23. > :17:26.bastion Mark a lot of technical changes that reduced numbers. But

:17:27. > :17:35.even the amount of people in there now, it is still the backbone of the

:17:36. > :17:41.economy because there are so any jobs that depend on one steelworker

:17:42. > :17:46.outside as well. All this has done this morning is a piecemeal

:17:47. > :17:50.decision, from what I understand the Prime Minister said this morning. We

:17:51. > :17:53.want direct results. All this is a piecemeal scenario, what the

:17:54. > :17:59.government are doing. They are washing their hands of Port Talbot,

:18:00. > :18:07.that is the way I see it. You live in Neath and a lot of people travel

:18:08. > :18:15.down, it is not just Port Talbot that will be rocked if this place

:18:16. > :18:21.were too close? No, it is the wider area and a lot of my constituents

:18:22. > :18:25.have mortgages, they have commitments. They are quite young,

:18:26. > :18:30.some of those people, they have families. Do you think businesses

:18:31. > :18:36.will close if this place closed? Yes, it will devastate the whole of

:18:37. > :18:41.the community, not just Port Talbot, but Neath as well. Looking towards

:18:42. > :18:46.the future, if the government came in for the short period, do you

:18:47. > :18:53.think a private buyer could come in to take it off their hands after

:18:54. > :18:59.that? You have such a wealth of experience in this place? We have

:19:00. > :19:05.got to take a long-term view. The short-term view, business is bad at

:19:06. > :19:11.the moment the steel, we have a lot of cheap steel imports coming in

:19:12. > :19:15.from China. That can change. We have got to look at it long-term. It is

:19:16. > :19:19.important that government put investment in here as soon as

:19:20. > :19:27.possible. If the market changes, and perhaps a buyer would come in, but

:19:28. > :19:34.the answer is is not what they have said in Downing Street today. It is

:19:35. > :19:39.at piecemeal issue, it doesn't help Port Talbot and the wider field and

:19:40. > :19:45.my constituents in need. To be fair to the government, the cheap Chinese

:19:46. > :19:53.steel has had a real issue on the steel market, not only in the UK,

:19:54. > :19:57.but across the world, so it is not totally the government's fault? The

:19:58. > :20:03.government could have done more, they could have put higher tariffs

:20:04. > :20:08.on. I went to London to the Chinese embassy and handed in a letter of

:20:09. > :20:16.protest to the ambassador about what China is doing to this area in Port

:20:17. > :20:23.Talbot. But that is only one issue. At the same time, we need government

:20:24. > :20:27.intervention and money. It is all piecemeal. What he has said today,

:20:28. > :20:31.David Cameron, about helping with tariffs and other thing, it is

:20:32. > :20:35.piecemeal. Nothing that will help Port Talbot today, what the Prime

:20:36. > :20:40.Minister has said in London from the Cabinet meeting. Do you still

:20:41. > :20:47.believe this steelworks will be open in five years, as things stand? Yes,

:20:48. > :20:53.I think it can survive, with the right help and support. One thing I

:20:54. > :20:57.want to emphasise, although it is a private company, there is a huge

:20:58. > :21:03.amount of public money invested over this steelworks over the years to

:21:04. > :21:10.help build it, investment. We have all got a stake in this, throughout

:21:11. > :21:17.the country. It was taxpayer's money that went into to help hold this

:21:18. > :21:23.plant. Thank you very much. As we can see from John's words, that news

:21:24. > :21:32.from the Prime Minister has not gone down well in Port Talbot. A couple

:21:33. > :21:37.of comments than you. Steel is in just about jobs. Imagine building a

:21:38. > :21:42.nuclear submarine, aircraft, tanks against a belligerent China in the

:21:43. > :21:47.future. At the same time importing steel from the same source.

:21:48. > :21:53.Someone else says, why are we paying Williams in foreign aid, but we

:21:54. > :21:57.cannot support our own country. Thank you for those. This news just

:21:58. > :22:04.in from the Old Bailey, and Islamic State fanatic, 23 years of age has

:22:05. > :22:07.just pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey for inviting support for the

:22:08. > :22:08.terror group and encouraging terrorism and 40,000 tweets he

:22:09. > :22:13.posted. every year, according to new figures

:22:14. > :22:16.from one insurance company. It's known as cash for crash -

:22:17. > :22:19.scams in which criminals drive into other vehicles to make a profit

:22:20. > :22:22.from insurance claims. Every three hours a driver

:22:23. > :22:26.deliberately causes a car crash, They then benefit from

:22:27. > :22:30.the fraudulent insurance claim. Last year there

:22:31. > :22:33.were 3,000 organised crashes. Aviva says Birmingham

:22:34. > :22:36.is the worst hot spot for this in the UK making up 25%

:22:37. > :22:39.of fake crash claims. of all fraud claims in UK costing

:22:40. > :22:56.a total of ?58 million last year. The firm also says one-in-nine

:22:57. > :22:59.whiplash claims they receive are bogus - with 17,000 claims

:23:00. > :23:03.currently being investigated Innocent drivers

:23:04. > :23:09.are often the victim. Organised criminal gangs target

:23:10. > :23:15.a car to drive into - leaving the victims

:23:16. > :23:18.injured and frightened. in Greater Manchester has been

:23:19. > :23:32.the victim of almost ?300,000 Probably in total with what the

:23:33. > :23:39.insurance company has lost and what we have lost. How many times has it

:23:40. > :23:46.happened to you? Ten times. On the ninth claim which was only about 18

:23:47. > :23:53.months ago, we installed trackers on every one of our vehicles. On the

:23:54. > :23:58.10th claim we managed to get a criminal prosecution. To be clear

:23:59. > :24:06.what a tracker does, I think I know, but to be clear? They are like a

:24:07. > :24:11.black box on an aeroplane. They will record everything the vehicle does

:24:12. > :24:16.and send it acted the tracker company, location, speed, if it was

:24:17. > :24:20.involved in a collision, how much energy was involved in the collision

:24:21. > :24:27.and everything is sent back to the collision company. How did you use

:24:28. > :24:36.that tracker? On the 10th claim her vehicle was hired out to a gentleman

:24:37. > :24:42.and he gave the keys to another one of his colleagues, let's call it. We

:24:43. > :24:47.got the vehicle back from them three or four days later. Acclaim came in,

:24:48. > :24:54.which is the usual pattern from a lady who claimed she had been driven

:24:55. > :24:59.into the back of. When we looked, it showed the vehicle wasn't there. And

:25:00. > :25:04.after further investigations from the insurance company, during the

:25:05. > :25:09.period of time she claimed she saw this vehicle and it drove into her,

:25:10. > :25:12.she was parked outside her house. When the insurance company

:25:13. > :25:17.interviewed her under caution, they went through the scenario she was

:25:18. > :25:20.making up. Then she said, that vehicle had been parked outside your

:25:21. > :25:27.house for three days. What happened to her in the end? She was

:25:28. > :25:34.interviewed by the police. She tried to keep moving the accident all over

:25:35. > :25:41.the place to claim it was in different areas to try to get it to

:25:42. > :25:45.match-up by the tracker. She was summoned to court and when they

:25:46. > :25:52.asked if she was guilty or not guilty, she pleaded guilty. What was

:25:53. > :25:57.the punishment? Not very severe. The total claim would have amounted to

:25:58. > :26:01.around ?45,000. She received a suspended prison sentence and a few

:26:02. > :26:06.hours community service. One claim paid out ?87,000 in 2014? Indeed, it

:26:07. > :26:14.was a claim just before the trackers. It was a claim when a

:26:15. > :26:20.gentleman in a minibus. One of our vans pulled out in front of them,

:26:21. > :26:26.the minibus went into the side of the vehicle. The patent will be they

:26:27. > :26:30.will make one claim to establish liability. Then we will get a drip

:26:31. > :26:34.of claims. There were seven planes coming in from that and one

:26:35. > :26:37.gentleman claimed he had brain damage. There are people who think

:26:38. > :26:43.these are victimless crimes? People who perpetrate these crimes, it is

:26:44. > :26:51.in-built it is a victimless crime. But I am the victim. It has cost me

:26:52. > :26:55.thousands and thousands of pounds, repairing my own vehicles after they

:26:56. > :27:00.have deliberately crash them into another vehicle. I am the face of

:27:01. > :27:03.the victim. They seem to think the insurance company are the victim.

:27:04. > :27:09.All the insurance company do is increase their rates so they will

:27:10. > :27:16.not cover self hire, or in some areas of the country, you cannot get

:27:17. > :27:20.insurance. Thank you for coming on the programme, we wish you all the

:27:21. > :27:22.best. A boy's been taken to hospital

:27:23. > :27:24.in a fire engine because there Our correspondent

:27:25. > :27:36.Keith Doyle is here If you are involved in an Accident

:27:37. > :27:45.Emergency services turn up, you would think you are in safe hands.

:27:46. > :27:53.This happened in the early hours of the morning in Telford. The boy was

:27:54. > :28:02.being treated by the fire brigade. They called an ambulance but it

:28:03. > :28:09.didn't turn up. In the end the Fire Service to the boy to hospital in

:28:10. > :28:15.the fire engine. The West Midlands Ambulance Service said it is an

:28:16. > :28:20.acceptable and they do admit it happen. They are blaming their

:28:21. > :28:25.ambulances are stuck in local hospitals because they said the A

:28:26. > :28:30.ambulances, when they get there, they tried to hand their patients

:28:31. > :28:36.over to the hospital, but the hospitals are delaying in taking the

:28:37. > :28:43.patient in. So the ambulances are stuck in the hospitals, not able to

:28:44. > :28:49.go out on the trips like this one, that we heard about last night. The

:28:50. > :28:54.ongoing story on this, this isn't the official line, but what I am

:28:55. > :28:58.hearing this morning is the A departments are busy, more people

:28:59. > :29:02.are using them. When they get there, they don't have the staff, they

:29:03. > :29:08.can't get their patients into the A departments. It ends up with

:29:09. > :29:12.paramedics and Ambulance Services treating patients and looking after

:29:13. > :29:17.patients in corridors of hospitals. That should be A department doing

:29:18. > :29:26.that and the ambulance should be out on the road. Do we know, is he all

:29:27. > :29:32.right? The Ambulance Service has issued a statement. They say no harm

:29:33. > :29:37.has come to the patient, but it is an acceptable without unable to an

:29:38. > :29:41.incident like this. They are raising this with the local hospitals and

:29:42. > :29:45.commissioners and they will continue to work out a solution to this

:29:46. > :29:51.problem. A worrying thing when you think you are in safe hands, the

:29:52. > :29:54.emergency services come and then no ambulance turns up.

:29:55. > :30:00.Youth reoffending rates are lower in Spain and the are in the UK.

:30:01. > :30:02.And Microsoft's artificial intelligence chatbot is at it again.

:30:03. > :30:04.This time, it's been talking about smoking drugs in front

:30:05. > :30:05.of the police, just days after posting racist

:30:06. > :30:10.We'll explain what virtual chatbots are and explain what it means

:30:11. > :30:14.David Cameron has said that the government is doing

:30:15. > :30:16."everything it can" to resolve the steel crisis,

:30:17. > :30:18.but has insisted that nationalisation is not

:30:19. > :30:21.Britain's biggest producer, Tata, announced plans to sell its UK

:30:22. > :30:23.operations which are losing millions of pounds.

:30:24. > :30:36.Labour wants parliament to be recalled to discuss the issue

:30:37. > :30:40.Thousand people have signed an online petition in support of it. --

:30:41. > :30:41.100,000 people. but the Prime Minister insists

:30:42. > :30:44.the working hard to find a solution. British scientists are beginning

:30:45. > :30:46.research which could dramatically improve the treatment

:30:47. > :30:48.of children who have cancer. The research

:30:49. > :30:49.at the Royal Marsden Hospital in London is aimed at finding newer,

:30:50. > :30:52.more personalised treatments and involves carrying out genetic

:30:53. > :30:54.tests on tumours from young people who have been diagnosed

:30:55. > :30:56.with the disease. Scientists say it should

:30:57. > :30:58.accelerate their access to important new drugs and increase

:30:59. > :31:09.survival rates. It would make a huge difference

:31:10. > :31:12.because then you could target children's specific needs, not just

:31:13. > :31:13.as a whole. Every child is different. Every tumour is

:31:14. > :31:14.different. A new approach aimed at cutting

:31:15. > :31:16.re-offending rates among teenagers in Spain appears to be achieving

:31:17. > :31:19.success and is being recommended Activities including

:31:20. > :31:24.football, gardening and beekeeping have been introduced at Spanish

:31:25. > :31:27.youth prisons to create a different ethos among inmates with a focus

:31:28. > :31:31.on education and rehabilitation. Re-offending rates appear to have

:31:32. > :31:34.fallen in areas of Spain where the changes

:31:35. > :31:38.have been introduced. Thousands of drivers are causing

:31:39. > :31:43.crashes on purpose every year so that they can make money out

:31:44. > :31:46.of fraudulent compensation claims, according to figures

:31:47. > :31:48.from one insurance company. The scam is

:31:49. > :31:51.known as cash for crash. Insurance company Aviva says that

:31:52. > :31:54.3,000 claims of this type were made last year with Birmingham coming out

:31:55. > :31:58.as the worst hot spot for the scam. The company says it dealt with such

:31:59. > :32:03.claims every three hours in 2015. Donald Trump, the man who has

:32:04. > :32:07.big-footed his way to the forefront of the Republicans' race to be

:32:08. > :32:10.president, now finds himself in the midst of a highly public

:32:11. > :32:13.back-tracking on one of the most contentious issues in American

:32:14. > :32:15.politics - abortion. On Wednesday,

:32:16. > :32:20.he told an interviewer on MSNBC if abortion was made illegal,

:32:21. > :32:22.women should be punished He's now said the doctor carrying

:32:23. > :32:27.out an abortion should be Some years ago he described

:32:28. > :32:33.himself as "pro-choice". Join me for BBC

:32:34. > :32:51.Newsroom live at 11am. The man in charge of the organising

:32:52. > :32:56.committee for the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 has told us that they are

:32:57. > :33:00.fit to host the tournament. It comes after the rights group Amnesty

:33:01. > :33:02.International accused Qatar of using forced labour at their flagship

:33:03. > :33:06.stadium and there's workers there are living a nightmare. England's

:33:07. > :33:10.men went one further than the women and reach the final of the World T20

:33:11. > :33:14.cricket. They will face the winner of West Indies against India which

:33:15. > :33:20.takes place today. British number one Johanna Konta is out of the

:33:21. > :33:22.Miami open tennis, beaten in the quarterfinals by number eight

:33:23. > :33:27.Victoria Azarenka. More on the BBC News channel throughout the day.

:33:28. > :33:29.Activities from dawn to dusk including beekeeping and football,

:33:30. > :33:34.25 hours of lessons every week, no being locked up in your cell

:33:35. > :33:36.for most of the day, and your own mentor.

:33:37. > :33:40.Could all that be the key to cutting reoffending rates for teenagers?

:33:41. > :33:42.It's far removed from what happens at young offenders' institutions

:33:43. > :33:45.in Britain, but it's what they do in Spain and it appears

:33:46. > :33:52.We'll talk about the Spanish model in a second, with a mother whose son

:33:53. > :33:55.was stabbed to death and with an ex-inmate who served two

:33:56. > :33:59.years for grievous bodily harm with intent from the age of 16.

:34:00. > :34:02.First though, have a quick look at the exclusive access our reporter

:34:03. > :34:05.Nick Beake was given, where young offenders are looked

:34:06. > :34:06.after on the south-east Spanish coast.

:34:07. > :34:11.This is a short extract from his film.

:34:12. > :34:21.It is a reunion neither of them could have imagined

:34:22. > :34:27.John was a British young offender, locked up abroad.

:34:28. > :34:30.Esther was one of those trying to help him.

:34:31. > :34:33.But he was one of the most difficult children they had ever met.

:34:34. > :34:38.When he was 15 and on a family holiday in Alicante,

:34:39. > :34:41.John robbed a man at knife-point and was jailed.

:34:42. > :34:45.But three years here changed him for good.

:34:46. > :34:48.Before I came to this place, I was in England, in at least eight

:34:49. > :34:50.different times, eight different centres with

:34:51. > :34:55.And I've come out here, and just the once in Spain

:34:56. > :34:59.and that is it, they sorted me out, just that one time.

:35:00. > :35:02.It has done the world of good for me.

:35:03. > :35:05.It has made me who I am today, basically.

:35:06. > :35:13.So how did Spain succeed where the UK failed?

:35:14. > :35:17.The La Zarza re-educational centre in south-east Spain is probably

:35:18. > :35:22.the most striking youth prison in the whole of the country.

:35:23. > :35:26.Dangerous offenders are given axes to do gardening.

:35:27. > :35:29.They look after the goats and other animals if they have

:35:30. > :35:37.With activities like beekeeping as well as everything else they have

:35:38. > :35:43.This is the first time British cameras have been allowed in. We

:35:44. > :35:49.agreed not to show the teenagers' faces. Alex says he became a burglar

:35:50. > :35:58.at the age of 11 out of boredom. Now 14, he says he regrets what he did.

:35:59. > :36:02.TRANSLATION: At the beginning, it is pretty tough. You don't know what

:36:03. > :36:06.you have got until you have lost it. You have to get used to not having

:36:07. > :36:09.your friends and family here. It is not like home. You can't eat what

:36:10. > :36:18.you want or go out whenever you want. The only time the prisoners

:36:19. > :36:23.are in their rooms is for a 45 minute siesta and overnight. At

:36:24. > :36:28.Feltham Young offenders Institute in west London, it can be as many as 23

:36:29. > :36:31.hours a day. Here, they are kept occupied from dawn until dusk.

:36:32. > :36:34.With activities like beekeeping as well as everything else they have

:36:35. > :36:37.got here, this is miles away from the youth prisons we are used

:36:38. > :36:41.But the people who run this place insists it is not just

:36:42. > :36:42.about the environment and their surroundings.

:36:43. > :36:59.They believe they can bring their philosophy to the UK.

:37:00. > :37:02.This sort of secure school, with a focus on education

:37:03. > :37:05.and rehabilitation, has just been recommended by a respected former

:37:06. > :37:10.head teacher in a review for the Ministry of Justice.

:37:11. > :37:13.That is because the charity Diagrama claim only 20% of the inmates

:37:14. > :37:16.leaving their Spanish prisons reoffend, much lower than the 67%

:37:17. > :37:24.Diagrama are a not-for-profit organisation and they now run nearly

:37:25. > :37:32.They say it is their so-called educators who make

:37:33. > :37:39.Each educator has at least one degree and gives daily direction,

:37:40. > :37:46.discipline and endless encouragement to the inmates.

:37:47. > :37:49.TRANSLATION: You can't constantly be telling them,

:37:50. > :37:50."You're bad, you're evil, you killed someone".

:37:51. > :37:56.We have to see the positive and make them aware of the damage

:37:57. > :38:11.It is not all play. There are 25 hours of classroom lessons every

:38:12. > :38:15.week on top of all the other activities. The Spanish say their

:38:16. > :38:20.system would save millions if brought to London because in time,

:38:21. > :38:22.fewer security guards would be needed to keep control.

:38:23. > :38:26.Of course, there are those who say all of this is soft justice,

:38:27. > :38:29.a holiday camp for young criminals who don't deserve it and who should

:38:30. > :38:41.This is far away from a holiday camp. If you ask any kid here, they

:38:42. > :38:47.would say they don't want to be here. It is not that fun. But we

:38:48. > :38:50.don't need to make them, how do you say, miserable because they have

:38:51. > :39:01.committed a crime. John's return to the centre in

:39:02. > :39:06.Alicante has brought back many memories. It has been an emotional

:39:07. > :39:08.visit. But he's convinced that in the future, the Spanish approach

:39:09. > :39:10.could help the toughest young offenders in Britain.

:39:11. > :39:14.In the position I was in, I was probably one of the worst ones

:39:15. > :39:18.Since I have been here, I have been talking to my friends

:39:19. > :39:21.and I've kept quite a few of them out of trouble.

:39:22. > :39:24.They have changed their ways through the stuff that I have

:39:25. > :39:28.The British government agrees big changes are needed

:39:29. > :39:34.But will it really invest the time and money needed to make this

:39:35. > :39:45.Let's speak to Ann Oakes-Odger MBE, Founder of KnifeCrimes.Org.

:39:46. > :39:53.Her 27-year-old son Westley was stabbed to death.

:39:54. > :39:56.Nathaniel Peat works with young people who are at risk of offending

:39:57. > :39:58.and those that have been in young offender institutions.

:39:59. > :40:00.Akin Kuseju is 21 years old and a former inmate

:40:01. > :40:03.at Feltham Juvenile Prison, where he served two years for GBH

:40:04. > :40:11.Noel Williams was in the prison system from when he was 11

:40:12. > :40:24.Thank you for joining us. Do you think that could work here? I think

:40:25. > :40:28.it sounds like a perfect idea to try to turn young people around, if they

:40:29. > :40:32.have becoming broiled in crime in general. I think it would be a

:40:33. > :40:36.difficult and tall order to do that in Britain. We don't have those big,

:40:37. > :40:45.wide open spaces that they have in Spain. One of the things that really

:40:46. > :40:51.impacted during the trial when my son's killers were going through the

:40:52. > :41:01.trial itself was the fact that these two brothers had progressively gone

:41:02. > :41:08.through many years of violence and the steady criminality, if you like,

:41:09. > :41:11.becoming worse. I truly feel that interventions at the youngest

:41:12. > :41:16.possible age are really important. I think we have a problem with how we

:41:17. > :41:20.would do that in Britain, how we would find that. We have many

:41:21. > :41:25.cutbacks that are already affecting how we deal with young people which

:41:26. > :41:30.is incredibly important. There are various viewers who are saying it

:41:31. > :41:36.looks like a good system, particularly if it is cutting

:41:37. > :41:39.reoffending rates down to the levels that the not-for-profit organisation

:41:40. > :41:44.says it is doing but also, it does not look like punishment, it is too

:41:45. > :41:51.soft. Well, I can see their point on that. I have two hats, if you like.

:41:52. > :41:57.Since losing my son in this awful way, I have... Well, however you

:41:58. > :42:02.call it, I have been privy to some of the prisons where young offenders

:42:03. > :42:06.are. Warren Hill, for example, where they're riding lots of young people

:42:07. > :42:12.serving life sentences. -- there are lots. It is heartbreaking. I would

:42:13. > :42:17.never want to see another family be a parent to someone who has taken

:42:18. > :42:19.someone's life. I can truly say that if only young people could

:42:20. > :42:29.understand what it means to have a brother or sister taken by violence,

:42:30. > :42:33.you know, it is a truly terrible situation. It is an injury to the

:42:34. > :42:41.brain and to the physical being, to go through that kind of grief. Yes,

:42:42. > :42:45.let's have interventions but from the victim's point of view, the

:42:46. > :42:49.other hat is saying, hang on a minute, if someone has taken a life

:42:50. > :42:55.at the very serious end, there needs to be justice, not retribution, but

:42:56. > :43:01.justice. How does society do that? You were in Feltham for two years

:43:02. > :43:10.from 16 to 18 for GBH with intent. What was it like? A waste of time!

:43:11. > :43:16.For who? I would say for a young person. For you personally rather

:43:17. > :43:20.than for who you assaulted? Simply because as a young person going into

:43:21. > :43:24.prison, you are very irresponsible. Going into prison is only going to

:43:25. > :43:28.make you more irresponsible because your responsibilities are taken away

:43:29. > :43:31.from you. Prison is not supposed to be a punishment. Dispose to be

:43:32. > :43:38.somewhere where you are held to be given your punishment. -- it is

:43:39. > :43:42.supposed to be somewhere. It should not necessarily be a punishment but

:43:43. > :43:47.to help you rehabilitate yourself. What efforts were made to try to

:43:48. > :43:50.rehabilitate you? We were quite forced into things like education

:43:51. > :43:54.but subjects that no one was particularly interested in, probably

:43:55. > :44:02.simply because the teaching standard was very bad, things like workshops

:44:03. > :44:08.but very limited. Can you imagine doing beekeeping? Or gardening? I

:44:09. > :44:11.mean, the thing is, if you are in there, you are probably not

:44:12. > :44:16.necessarily receptive to wanting to do anything that is offered, in

:44:17. > :44:19.terms of activities or education. To a certain extent but I also think

:44:20. > :44:24.that as people enter prison, you need to be given the opportunity to

:44:25. > :44:29.get your head into the mindframe that you need to improve yourself.

:44:30. > :44:32.Nathanial, sorry, just to bring you in, that is kind of where you come

:44:33. > :44:38.in because you are trying to change the culture at various tins each --

:44:39. > :44:43.various institutions to more similar to Spain, is that fair? Absolutely,

:44:44. > :44:48.both from the perspective outside the prison and also inside the

:44:49. > :44:51.estate, to pick up on the previous point of early intervention being

:44:52. > :44:55.the first stage of changing the mindset. I have always said it is

:44:56. > :44:59.not guns and knives and kill people -- that kill people, it is the

:45:00. > :45:03.mindset so getting it fixed at an early stage, like primary school, we

:45:04. > :45:05.have anti-gang and anti-grooming classes for young people. We are

:45:06. > :45:12.teaching them how not to get groomed into a gang. You are talking year

:45:13. > :45:19.five. Then reception, we ran a programme in a young offenders

:45:20. > :45:22.institution in 2012 and 2013 when we had an induction room and we spoke

:45:23. > :45:25.to them about the culture we are trying to having a prison. When

:45:26. > :45:29.young offenders go into prison, they want to get into a fight -- don't

:45:30. > :45:32.want to get into a fight unless they are looking for it. One thing we

:45:33. > :45:38.found was that young people are bored with the same programmes, of

:45:39. > :45:42.the stimulations not being there in the classroom, for instance,

:45:43. > :45:45.education. It's a free for all and that is when you are going to fight.

:45:46. > :45:50.They are not engaged, there's nothing to engage them. Or the

:45:51. > :45:53.programme that they have done has been repeated over and over again or

:45:54. > :45:57.the teacher that is delivering it has not been the right type of

:45:58. > :46:01.person to deliver that type of lesson.

:46:02. > :46:11.There will be people shouting at the television saying well if you don't

:46:12. > :46:14.want to be bored in a young offender's institution, don't shoot

:46:15. > :46:25.somebody, don't stab somebody, whatever. I had been in the judicial

:46:26. > :46:31.system for a long time, in and out of young offenders institutions and

:46:32. > :46:39.prison. I responded to therapeutic responses. I don't know what that

:46:40. > :46:48.means. Get into the mind of the young people, finding out what is

:46:49. > :46:54.going on. Beekeeping, things like that, when you are violent, you need

:46:55. > :47:01.to do things like that. We shouldn't care if they are bored, we should be

:47:02. > :47:05.caring about reforming people, rehabilitating people and making

:47:06. > :47:11.sure they leave prison with the necessary skills they need to have a

:47:12. > :47:18.clear slate. You say the approach didn't work for you. You are more

:47:19. > :47:25.school for what you did, and you are trying to turn things around and you

:47:26. > :47:28.want to run a fashion business. If it wasn't the young offender's

:47:29. > :47:37.institution that worked, what changed your mind set? I was on a

:47:38. > :47:45.quite intensive YOP programme. My probation officer had me doing

:47:46. > :47:51.courses and it was run by a company called Goals UK. Their approach to

:47:52. > :47:55.helping young people is similar to the Spanish system. Tough love, very

:47:56. > :47:59.interconnected, personal relationships with the people you

:48:00. > :48:04.are working with. The staff are trained to where they actually care

:48:05. > :48:09.for the young person's life and it is not just about going through the

:48:10. > :48:17.motions. Just to pick up on that again, in terms of teachers and the

:48:18. > :48:24.commitment they have two the people. Remember your bad teacher at school,

:48:25. > :48:30.Victoria? I do. It is the same when you are in prison or a young

:48:31. > :48:35.offender's Institute. You pick up on the way they are instructed or

:48:36. > :48:41.spoken to. Having been around young people for many years before this

:48:42. > :48:47.happened to my son, young people who had problems with addictions, I

:48:48. > :48:55.don't think this is a one size fits all situation. It has to be, for me,

:48:56. > :49:02.a case by case scenario. The reasons people go into prison are not one,

:49:03. > :49:09.single reason. I would like to see, and one of the things I started to

:49:10. > :49:16.do after my son was murdered, was to go into schools and try to speak to

:49:17. > :49:19.young people before they perhaps were going down the wrong road.

:49:20. > :49:23.Understand the consequences of getting involved in crime at all.

:49:24. > :49:32.Getting a criminal record. Prevent them from heading on that criminal

:49:33. > :49:41.road? Just to pick up on your point, it is very important. I also worked

:49:42. > :49:48.with a man called Big Jay's Kitchen, who sells his things in department

:49:49. > :49:55.stores. Try to get young people getting interested in the business

:49:56. > :50:04.world. It is very important to learn the skills to go forward. Early

:50:05. > :50:11.intervention is key. The model has to work. It will work if there is

:50:12. > :50:18.jobs at the end or something for the young people to be plugged into at

:50:19. > :50:23.the end. Part of the reason reoffending occurs is because people

:50:24. > :50:26.cannot get a job because of the criminal record. You cannot

:50:27. > :50:31.guarantee a job because an employer might not want to take somebody on

:50:32. > :50:40.with a criminal record. There needs to be a culture shift, UK companies

:50:41. > :50:46.are now more receptive to receiving ex-offenders. It is a culture shift

:50:47. > :50:50.that needs to happen in society to reintegrating young people who have

:50:51. > :50:55.offended, back into society. I young person might come out of this and I

:50:56. > :51:03.want to start a business. They might have the skill set but they lack the

:51:04. > :51:12.inclination around it to support the business and earn an income from it.

:51:13. > :51:22.We saw some of the figures, in Spain it is ?70,000 a year for a child or

:51:23. > :51:29.young adult in their system. In this country it is 160, 170,000. People

:51:30. > :51:33.will say, there is no money to have an educated, beekeeping or

:51:34. > :51:39.basketball, whatever it is. But you can save that money long-term if you

:51:40. > :51:46.can get to young people earlier. Did you feel like you had been punished

:51:47. > :51:53.after two years inside Felton? I didn't get to see my friends and

:51:54. > :52:02.family when I want to, I didn't get to eat well when I wanted to. So it

:52:03. > :52:07.is your choice is taken away. It is not just punishment, I don't feel

:52:08. > :52:16.like I was punished. What is just punishment? That is not for me to

:52:17. > :52:23.decide. I just feel two years was taken away from my life. I feel he

:52:24. > :52:26.is trying to say, if I can elaborate. I have had life

:52:27. > :52:34.experiences of the prison system, at seven and a half years of my life

:52:35. > :52:41.inside. In and out. What he is saying is, when you go to prison,

:52:42. > :52:46.there is a level of understanding inside yourself but you are being

:52:47. > :52:52.punished. But it is not harsh enough sometimes. They didn't do anything,

:52:53. > :52:57.he just sat down in a box and twiddled his thumbs. But he never

:52:58. > :53:04.left the necessary skills. If you are going to send somebody to

:53:05. > :53:12.prison, if there is no job because nobody wants to employ them and they

:53:13. > :53:18.don't have the skills to start their own thing, I think we have failed as

:53:19. > :53:21.a society. We need to understand, when people are coming out of

:53:22. > :53:25.prison, and they need to rehabilitate themselves, you need

:53:26. > :53:32.the platform to do that. Well done to the Prime Minister, he has put

:53:33. > :53:37.out legislation where ex-offenders don't have to make sure when they

:53:38. > :53:42.have interviews with people, they don't have to talk about their crime

:53:43. > :53:52.until they get to the second stage. Which is good, you are removing a

:53:53. > :54:00.bit of stigma. A lot of people go to prison and basic there for five or

:54:01. > :54:06.six years, doing nothing. When they come out, they have learned nothing.

:54:07. > :54:11.Where you punished? Not really. Did you learn anything? Not really. Do

:54:12. > :54:16.you agree with that? Partly, but when does the person themselves take

:54:17. > :54:21.on the responsibility to say, I want to change my life? Progressive and

:54:22. > :54:28.recidivist crime can only go one way. Even if there is a job at the

:54:29. > :54:31.end of that Cousins sentence, if somebody has an addiction problem,

:54:32. > :54:35.then we have another strata that needs to be handled. If that isn't

:54:36. > :54:39.handled, down the line, is somebody's life going to be taken?

:54:40. > :54:42.Where does the intervention come in and when does the person take

:54:43. > :54:46.responsibility? Thank you all for your contributions.

:54:47. > :54:49.We did also ask someone from the Ministry of Justice

:54:50. > :54:50.to appear on the Programme but nobody was available.

:54:51. > :54:56.Almost a week after it was shut down for racist and sexist tweets,

:54:57. > :54:58.Microsoft's artificial intelligence chatbot,

:54:59. > :55:03.This time, it's been talking about smoking drugs in front

:55:04. > :55:04.of the police and spamming followers.

:55:05. > :55:07.Chris Foxx is our technology reporter and he's here

:55:08. > :55:24.It is computer software, but it has stored phrases. You might ask it

:55:25. > :55:34.what is its name, in might say it is Melissa and lives in America, and it

:55:35. > :55:40.can give you a fake back story. You can ask it, what time is my flight?

:55:41. > :55:46.Microsoft has announced a partnership with KLM airline. You

:55:47. > :55:52.can ask it what time is my flight. Rather than an e-mail or

:55:53. > :55:58.notifications, it will chat to you about your flight. This time it has

:55:59. > :56:06.said my flight is delayed. What has been going wrong? With Tay, people

:56:07. > :56:12.don't always talk to computers in a rigid way, they won't say what is my

:56:13. > :56:21.calendar like. So with Microsoft's personal app, I can ask it, what is

:56:22. > :56:30.the 411 with Donald Trump? It will have a think about it. What is the

:56:31. > :56:36.411 with Donald Trump? It is having a think. It has brought up generic

:56:37. > :56:42.search results. Donald Trump, it doesn't know what I'm asking. It

:56:43. > :56:53.doesn't know that I want to know the latest other low-down. Is that what

:56:54. > :56:59.411 is? The point of Tay is to learn how people talk to it. People have

:57:00. > :57:04.been manipulating that. People have been very naughty so Tay was very

:57:05. > :57:14.naughty? Yes, it has these things. Somebody asked, do you love

:57:15. > :57:23.tweeting. Tay replied saying I love tweeting, but I also love chatting.

:57:24. > :57:37.Somebody asked Tay do you believe in genocide. It replied saying, I do in

:57:38. > :57:46.deed. And then there was a campaign where mounted Dew let people design

:57:47. > :57:53.its new drink, but it was open to abuse. Will Tay comeback? It will

:57:54. > :58:01.probably come back because Microsoft has said they have found a flaw in

:58:02. > :58:09.the system that allowed them to eat to get through. There is a system in

:58:10. > :58:15.China with 40 million dollars and that one hasn't experienced the same

:58:16. > :58:20.thing. Possibly because the code is different. But Microsoft said it

:58:21. > :58:24.launched Tay to see how the Western audience would interact with a

:58:25. > :58:32.Chatbox. Thanks for watching today. Joanna he is

:58:33. > :58:38.At the first light of dawn, it's the only thing we have on.

:58:39. > :58:41.A friendly, familiar voice on the other side.

:58:42. > :58:45.Once we find our frequency, we frequently find...