04/04/2016

:00:08. > :00:10.Hello, it's Monday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

:00:11. > :00:17.How some of the world's richest and most

:00:18. > :00:19.powerful people hide their money in secret off-shore accounts.

:00:20. > :00:23.We'll bring you details of the biggest ever leak

:00:24. > :00:25.of confidential documents, which show just how tax

:00:26. > :00:40.Also this week, we put the London Mayoral hopefuls

:00:41. > :00:44.through their paces in our series, Cab Share.

:00:45. > :00:47.This morning, it's the turn of Labour's candidate Sadiq Khan.

:00:48. > :00:49.Does his knowledge stand up to the test?:

:00:50. > :01:01.Who plays at Selhurst Park? Crystal Palace. Where Angie and then from?

:01:02. > :01:12.In standers. I need an ECG, I cannot cope with

:01:13. > :01:14.this, it is going to happen, we are going to win the league.

:01:15. > :01:18.We'll bring you the latest in our video diaries

:01:19. > :01:26.With just six games to go they're now seven points clear

:01:27. > :01:29.of their rivals to win the Premier League.

:01:30. > :01:33.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on-air at the earlier time

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:01:47. > :01:49.A huge cache of confidential documents has

:01:50. > :01:53.revealed how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth.

:01:54. > :02:02.11-million documents were leaked from one of the world's most

:02:03. > :02:03.secretive companies, Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca.

:02:04. > :02:07.They show how it helped clients launder money,

:02:08. > :02:12.The company says it has operated beyond reproach for 40 years,

:02:13. > :02:14.and has never been charged with criminal wrong-doing.

:02:15. > :02:24.It is a unique glimpse of how offshore works.

:02:25. > :02:27.For 40 years, Mossack Fonseca have helped the rich and powerful

:02:28. > :02:34.The documents were leaked to the German newspaper

:02:35. > :02:36.Suddeutsche Zeitung, and shared with the International Consortium

:02:37. > :02:42.Panorama has been analysing the documents.

:02:43. > :02:45.They show how far Mossack Fonseca was prepared to go to

:02:46. > :02:54.I wanted to earn enough money so I can create the life I really

:02:55. > :02:59.Marianna Olszewski is a business guru on American television.

:03:00. > :03:02.It's all about living the life of your dreams and taking

:03:03. > :03:08.That's exactly what she wanted to do, to bring back $1.8 million

:03:09. > :03:17.But she did not want to reveal her identity.

:03:18. > :03:20.The files show Mossack Fonseca came up with a solution.

:03:21. > :03:32.Faking the ownership of a company is a blatant breach

:03:33. > :03:42.When a company like Mossack Fonseca offers fake beneficial owner

:03:43. > :03:51.services, that is completely undermining international efforts

:03:52. > :03:54.to open up company ownership, then you completely pull the rug out

:03:55. > :03:57.Ms Olszewski didn't respond to our questions.

:03:58. > :04:02.Mossack Fonseca say the allegations are unsupported and false.

:04:03. > :04:05.They have always complied with international protocols

:04:06. > :04:10.to ensure companies are not used for illicit purposes.

:04:11. > :04:16.And we can talk to Richard Bilton now.

:04:17. > :04:25.Tell us more about this huge leak? It is the scale of the leak that

:04:26. > :04:30.gives us this unprecedented glimpse into the secret world of offshore.

:04:31. > :04:34.Mossack Fonseca thought products like foundations and trusts and

:04:35. > :04:38.nominee directorships, these can be used legally but in the files it is

:04:39. > :04:43.clear they were being used to hide people's wealth from the

:04:44. > :04:48.authorities. Initially, the leak was to a German newspaper, Suddeutsche

:04:49. > :04:50.Zeitung, and they passed it onto the international consortium of

:04:51. > :04:55.investigative journalists, and in the UK that is the BBC panorama and

:04:56. > :04:59.the Guardian newspaper, but around the world there are 100 and the

:05:00. > :05:12.media organisations poring over these files. It is that breadth, the

:05:13. > :05:15.depth, if you like, of the number of people involved in these files, 72

:05:16. > :05:16.current or former heads of state in the files, including dictators like

:05:17. > :05:20.Gaddafi. Tell us more about some of the deal

:05:21. > :05:24.is contained in the files? It is worth bearing in mind that

:05:25. > :05:28.Mossack Fonseca promised their clients absolute confidentiality, so

:05:29. > :05:33.these are arrangements that people bought nobody would see, not us, not

:05:34. > :05:37.the authorities, not anyone, they were all snuck away, but now we can

:05:38. > :05:40.see them and there are some eye-catching ones, for example a

:05:41. > :05:48.suspected billion-dollar money-laundering ring being operated

:05:49. > :05:53.by people who are close associate of President Putin, that is what seems

:05:54. > :05:57.to spring from the files. There is also the Icelandic Prime Minister,

:05:58. > :06:01.Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, he had an undeclared interest in an offshore

:06:02. > :06:05.company, he says he has not done anything wrong, he is facing calls

:06:06. > :06:08.for resignation in Iceland. The thing that struck me is there are

:06:09. > :06:13.these big names in the files and we are drawn to them, but it is the

:06:14. > :06:19.deals that are out there where people are just using these

:06:20. > :06:22.Panamanian trusts and foundations to just lie, to hide their financial

:06:23. > :06:28.business a way from the authorities, to say, for example, avoid tax on a

:06:29. > :06:33.London property. Some people on Twitter for example

:06:34. > :06:38.are saying, what a shock! Very, very rich people hide their money and try

:06:39. > :06:41.to evade tax! Tell me something I don't know!

:06:42. > :06:47.But it does matter, tell us why? It really does matter, the case that

:06:48. > :06:50.you saw before involving the American business Guru, it is a key

:06:51. > :06:54.case from the files because the headline figures, the shocking

:06:55. > :06:56.stories will get headlines, but in reality what we can see from the

:06:57. > :07:03.files is they were offering products and deals... Sorry, I have lost my

:07:04. > :07:07.earpiece. Things that would allow you to get around international

:07:08. > :07:10.regulations on money laundering, so for example the UK Government at the

:07:11. > :07:19.moment have a register of beneficial owners, and what that is meant to do

:07:20. > :07:24.is to basically allow us to see who owns UK companies, to see a public

:07:25. > :07:30.list of who was behind them. In international finance, it is quite a

:07:31. > :07:36.common practice, because if you are a bank or an accountancy firm or a

:07:37. > :07:41.lawyer, you need to know who it is that you are dealing with otherwise

:07:42. > :07:46.you could be unwittingly helping money-laundering, tax evasion, any

:07:47. > :07:50.kind of nefarious activity. What we see in these files is a case where

:07:51. > :07:54.they are selling fake ownership details could hide a wealthy

:07:55. > :08:00.client's money from the authorities, which is in direct breach of the

:08:01. > :08:09.money-laundering regulations. And the company itself, what does it

:08:10. > :08:14.say? I did think Richard can hear us, but the company itself says it

:08:15. > :08:17.has operated beyond approach for 40 years and that they have never been

:08:18. > :08:21.accused or charged in connection with criminal wrongdoing or

:08:22. > :08:25.allegations it sold fake beneficial ownership details, and they believe

:08:26. > :08:29.those allegations are unsupported and false.

:08:30. > :08:33.We have a statement from HMRC: HMRC can confirm we have received a great

:08:34. > :08:38.deal of information on offshore companies including in Panama from a

:08:39. > :08:40.wide range of sources, which is currently the subject of an

:08:41. > :08:47.intensive investigation. We will have a conversation about

:08:48. > :08:50.what has been revealed in this huge cache of files that has been leaked,

:08:51. > :08:57.that is in the next ten minutes or so.

:08:58. > :09:02.You can see the Panorama programme Tax Havens Of The Rich

:09:03. > :09:04.And Powerful Exposed tonight

:09:05. > :09:08.Ben Brown is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

:09:09. > :09:11.The first migrants to be returned from Greece to Turkey under

:09:12. > :09:14.a controversial EU deal have docked in the Turkish port of Dikili.

:09:15. > :09:17.It's thought the vast majority were from Pakistan and had not

:09:18. > :09:24.They arrived here hoping for a better life in Europe.

:09:25. > :09:45.But under the repatriation deal struck last month between the EU

:09:46. > :10:09.and Turkey, the first 130 or so migrants have been deported

:10:10. > :10:12.and those who arrived illegally will be sent back if they don't

:10:13. > :10:14.apply for asylum, or if their claim is rejected.

:10:15. > :10:16.Both Turkey and Greece have made a panicked rush

:10:17. > :10:20.Neither country appears to be fully ready for the move,

:10:21. > :10:22.with only a fraction of the necessary staff having

:10:23. > :10:24.arrived on the Greek islands to accompany the process.

:10:25. > :10:27.Human rights groups have also raised concerns over the lack of safeguards

:10:28. > :10:31.We feel that there are still deficiencies and gaps in both

:10:32. > :10:35.We're not opposed to returns as long as people are not in need

:10:36. > :10:37.of international protection, they have not applied for asylum

:10:38. > :10:42.The aim is to ease the uncontrolled movement of people into western

:10:43. > :10:44.Europe, many of whom take the dangerous sea route

:10:45. > :10:47.But with around 400 migrants arriving on the Greek islands each

:10:48. > :10:50.day, it seems it's doing little to discourage those desperate

:10:51. > :10:54.Union leaders meet in London today to plan the next steps

:10:55. > :10:56.of their campaign to save the British steel industry.

:10:57. > :10:58.Tata Steel announced last week it was selling

:10:59. > :11:02.There'll also be a meeting this morning of a Wales Tata taskforce -

:11:03. > :11:03.including representatives of the Welsh Assembly Transport

:11:04. > :11:11.This afternoon an emergency session of the Welsh Assembly will discuss

:11:12. > :11:13.the crisis hanging over the Port Talbot plant.

:11:14. > :11:17.There are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence.

:11:18. > :11:19.Lord Moynihan, the former chairman of the British Olympic Association,

:11:20. > :11:22.has started a petition calling for a change in the law.

:11:23. > :11:24.It follows allegations in the Sunday Times of performance

:11:25. > :11:26.enhancing drugs being taken in a range of sports -

:11:27. > :11:42.including boxing, football and cricket.

:11:43. > :11:45.A murder investigation has been launched after a 17-year-old boy

:11:46. > :11:46.was stabbed to death in south-east London.

:11:47. > :11:52.Officers were called to reports of an altercation between a number

:11:53. > :11:54.of youths in Lewisham, at around 8pm on Sunday evening.

:11:55. > :11:56.The victim, found in nearby was taken to hospital

:11:57. > :12:01.Two men - aged 15 and 16 - are currently being held in custody

:12:02. > :12:05.Labour's candidate for London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, has said taxi drivers

:12:06. > :12:07.in the capital must be able to speak decent English.

:12:08. > :12:10.He said Uber drivers should have to go through the same checks that

:12:11. > :12:14.He was giving an interview in a cab to the BBC's assistant

:12:15. > :12:20.They're so expensive, they're all disabled-friendly,

:12:21. > :12:22.the criminal checks, the Knowledge you've got to do -

:12:23. > :12:24.rather than levelling down your high standards,

:12:25. > :12:26.let's level up the private hire vehicle standards.

:12:27. > :12:28.Speaking English, doing security checks.

:12:29. > :12:30.How does that work, do they have English tests?

:12:31. > :12:32.Yeah, we will need to bring up the standards.

:12:33. > :12:38.Basic English should be a requirement if you are a public

:12:39. > :12:42.And if they don't get that, they wouldn't be able to operate

:12:43. > :12:46.In my view, if you're in any public facing job,

:12:47. > :12:47.you should have to speak basic English.

:12:48. > :12:50.And you can hear more from that interview with London mayoral

:12:51. > :12:59.Dame Judi Dench has became the most successful actor in the history

:13:00. > :13:03.The veteran actress picked up a record eighth gong for best

:13:04. > :13:05.supporting actress for her role in The Winter's Tale.

:13:06. > :13:08.No-one has won as many Oliviers for acting since the awards began

:13:09. > :13:17.I had a bet with my grandson, which I've now lost.

:13:18. > :13:20.And I'm never going to be allowed to forget it.

:13:21. > :13:22.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, Victoria -

:13:23. > :13:35.A little later in the programme we'll bring you video diaries

:13:36. > :13:38.from our Leicester fans and we'll look at the huge popularity of MMA -

:13:39. > :13:41.or mixed martial arts - it's also known as cage fighting,

:13:42. > :13:43.and in particular it's popularity amongst working professionals.

:13:44. > :13:45.We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares

:13:46. > :13:49.If you're into MMA - why do you do it?

:13:50. > :13:51.You can get in touch via FB, Twitter, text,

:13:52. > :14:12.What a match that was yesterday, I feel so sorry for the England

:14:13. > :14:16.players. Yes, Ben Stokes in particular. A

:14:17. > :14:20.thrilling finish to the world Twenty20, double joy for the West

:14:21. > :14:24.Indies fans as they took the women's and men's title and we will see

:14:25. > :14:29.their celebrations in a moment. But disappointing for England's men, 54

:14:30. > :14:34.from Joe Root, helping England to a chase a ball target of 155, but

:14:35. > :14:38.excellent fielding left the West Indies needing 19 from the final

:14:39. > :14:43.over, Carlos Brathwaite hitting four straight sixes to statutes victory

:14:44. > :14:48.from the jaws of defeat which left Ben Stokes and go dejected, but the

:14:49. > :14:53.victors jubilant after a tournament they merely boycotted.

:14:54. > :14:56.Jubilation, too, the Leicester City, amazingly in the space of one year

:14:57. > :15:00.going from seven point away from Premier League safety and facing

:15:01. > :15:04.relegation to seven points clear at the top of the table. They beat

:15:05. > :15:09.Southampton 1-40 thanks to Wes Morgan's header, and he was praised

:15:10. > :15:14.by Claudio Ranieri afterwards, who says he believes they can continue

:15:15. > :15:17.their magical season after four straight 1-2 victories.

:15:18. > :15:22.Louis van Gaal admitted Manchester United were lucky to beat Everton

:15:23. > :15:23.won high consumer gangsta Anthony Martial's winner. United far from

:15:24. > :15:59.their best but they moved one England's Charley Hull has missed

:16:00. > :16:03.out on her first win in women's golf.

:16:04. > :16:08.Women's golf major. The 20-year-old finished second at the ANE in

:16:09. > :16:14.California. One shot behind the winner. I played great. Apart from

:16:15. > :16:24.the front nine it was a safe start. I made a couple of bogeys and then I

:16:25. > :16:33.birdied nine and birdied ten and to finish with a birdie was great and I

:16:34. > :16:40.felt good. No celebrations for Charley or Lewis. West Indies had a

:16:41. > :16:47.champions dance. The players arrived back to their hotel after victory.

:16:48. > :16:51.Their captain loves a dance. Here is another sports star who has

:16:52. > :17:05.been practising! Jumping. Yo! You feel like jumping?

:17:06. > :17:10.Usain Bolt is very happy. We will see if he brings that celebration to

:17:11. > :17:14.Rio with him later in the summer. Thank you, Hugh.

:17:15. > :17:17.This morning, how some of the world's richest people manage

:17:18. > :17:20.to hide their money in tax havens - countries or independent areas

:17:21. > :17:29.where taxes are issued at a low rate.

:17:30. > :17:32.A huge leak of confidential documents reveals how one law firm -

:17:33. > :17:40.based in Panama - has helped clients launder money,

:17:41. > :17:46.The documents show links to 72 current or former heads of state

:17:47. > :17:49.in the data, including dictators accused of looting

:17:50. > :18:51.Those 72 current or former heads of state in the data include

:18:52. > :18:54.the Icelandic Prime Minister who had an undeclared interest linked

:18:55. > :19:01.to his wife's wealth and is now facing calls for his resignation.

:19:02. > :19:04.Here he is walking out of an interview when he was asked

:19:05. > :19:08.He says he hasn't broken any rules and his wife didn't benefit

:19:09. > :19:18.The company, Mossack Fonseca, says it has operated beyond reproach

:19:19. > :19:25.for 40 years and has never been charged with criminal wrong-doing.

:19:26. > :19:28.Whilst this may sound like big money swirling around amongst the rich,

:19:29. > :19:31.what it actually means is that if the world's most powerful people

:19:32. > :19:34.are paying less tax and that means there is less money

:19:35. > :19:37.going into the government to pay for things like schools,

:19:38. > :19:38.hospitals, road building programmes etc.

:19:39. > :19:41.It's an issue that David Cameron has spoken about in the past,

:19:42. > :19:44.promising to "sweep away" tax secrecy.

:19:45. > :19:49.This was him talking about it a G8 summit in northern Ireland.

:19:50. > :19:52.The Lough Erne Declaration that we have signed sets out some

:19:53. > :19:55.simple and clear commitments.

:19:56. > :19:58.Tax authorities across the world should automatically share

:19:59. > :20:01.information so those who want to

:20:02. > :20:08.Companies should know who really owns them,

:20:09. > :20:11.and tax collectors and law enforcers should be able to obtain this

:20:12. > :20:13.information easily, for example through central registries,

:20:14. > :20:15.so people can't avoid taxes by using complicated

:20:16. > :20:22.David Cameron is planning a summit of world leaders next month

:20:23. > :20:25.which will focus on the conduct of tax havens.

:20:26. > :20:28.In total 11 million documents held by the Panama-based law firm have

:20:29. > :20:30.been passed to 107 media organisations including the BBC.

:20:31. > :20:33.That's why you'll see some stories relating to the documents

:20:34. > :20:37.being reported on the BBC and other news organisations

:20:38. > :20:43.So how do people use off-shore tax havens like Panama to evade paying

:20:44. > :20:50.Robert Palmer is the Head of Global Witness which investigates

:20:51. > :20:54.anonymous companies and banks that do business with the corrupt.

:20:55. > :20:57.Paula Tallon is Managing Partner of Gabelle LLP and a tax expert.

:20:58. > :21:00.She has spent almost 20 years advising on tax.

:21:01. > :21:02.Nicholas Shaxson is author of Treasure Islands: Tax Havens

:21:03. > :21:15.Welcome all of you. Robert first of all, your reaction to this story? I

:21:16. > :21:18.mean, as someone who looked at money laundering and corruption for over

:21:19. > :21:23.seven years, it is not hugely surprising, but I think what is

:21:24. > :21:27.interesting is it lifts the veil on the detail. You see the mechanisms

:21:28. > :21:30.about how people are able to keep their money off-shore. Sometimes it

:21:31. > :21:34.is about tax. Sometimes it is about corruption. Sometimes it is about

:21:35. > :21:40.sanctions busting, if you want to hide your money and your assets, you

:21:41. > :21:46.want to get yourself an anonymously owned company and stash your money

:21:47. > :21:53.off-shore and you're sorted. And that's legit? So we are going to

:21:54. > :21:58.have to wait and see for more information to come out about the

:21:59. > :22:00.cases, but the journalists the at BBC are certainly claiming that some

:22:01. > :22:05.of the activity that was going on was illegal. What is an off-shore

:22:06. > :22:10.tax haven and what could the British Government do about some of its

:22:11. > :22:15.overseas territories which are tax havens? So an off-shore tax haven is

:22:16. > :22:22.a place where you can put your money and you can get banking secrecy, you

:22:23. > :22:25.can create a shell company where it is almost impossible to identify who

:22:26. > :22:30.owns and controls it. One of the interesting things for me, while

:22:31. > :22:38.this company is a Panama-based company, the favoured place for them

:22:39. > :22:41.to get their shell companies was the British Virgin islands. We have a

:22:42. > :22:43.corruption summit being hosted by the Prime Minister Menzies Campbells

:22:44. > :22:46.month. It is a real opportunity for him to stand up and continue the

:22:47. > :22:52.leadership that he showed at the G8 and say we are going to open up the

:22:53. > :22:57.tax havens. It would be as simple as that for the British Government to

:22:58. > :23:00.do that? None this is simple... If it is a British overseas territory?

:23:01. > :23:05.There is a complicated relationship between the UK and the overseas

:23:06. > :23:08.territories, but ultimately they are British territories and the UK Prime

:23:09. > :23:12.Minister has significant influence over what goes on there. Paula, how

:23:13. > :23:17.do you, what do you take from this? Tax in the news again. Now, we have

:23:18. > :23:23.been focussed for the last three to five years on tax avoidance schemes.

:23:24. > :23:28.Tax a I voidance as opposed to tax evasion. Parts this could be tax

:23:29. > :23:35.evasion. Which is illegal? It is. If we have UK resident and domiciled

:23:36. > :23:38.people, so people their roots are in the UK operating through the

:23:39. > :23:43.structures, there is tax that should be paid in the UK and isn't being

:23:44. > :23:47.paid. Now that causes a number of problems. We have had as lot of

:23:48. > :23:50.disclosure facilities. There have been chances for people to come

:23:51. > :23:54.forward and declare their ownership of certain off-shore assets. Now a

:23:55. > :23:57.lot of those facilities have closed and the favourable terms because it

:23:58. > :24:02.is expected that most people would have come forward now, I think over

:24:03. > :24:08.the next few days we are going to see some UK people caught up in this

:24:09. > :24:12.and probably perhaps behind some property structures and despite

:24:13. > :24:16.everything that the Government has been doing with, we have diverted

:24:17. > :24:21.profits tax to catch these establishments in the UK, we have

:24:22. > :24:25.got all the profit shifting, all of that looking at tax in the UK

:24:26. > :24:29.profits and we have circumstances where individuals and companies are

:24:30. > :24:34.evading UK tax. Nicholas, I know you want to come in here. Why do very,

:24:35. > :24:39.very, very, very, wealthy people hide their money so they can avoid

:24:40. > :24:45.paying tax? This would still be very wealthy if they paid tax? We need to

:24:46. > :24:49.understand what a tax haven is. I would take a broad view. These are

:24:50. > :24:51.places where people who use tax havens, they are looking for escape.

:24:52. > :24:58.Escape from the rules of society. That might be tax. It is this is not

:24:59. > :25:06.just about tax. It might be secrecy. You might be wanting to launder

:25:07. > :25:10.money or escape your creditors, you set-up a ponsy scheme. The off-shore

:25:11. > :25:17.world is designed to provide escape routes. It is very much the world's

:25:18. > :25:22.wealthiest and most powerful people who want to escape the rule of law

:25:23. > :25:30.and... Sorry, just on that point, you say they want to escape the rule

:25:31. > :25:34.of law, but you can use tax havens legitimately? You have to be careful

:25:35. > :25:42.about the word legitimate. Lawfully? Yes. Lawfully. I think there are

:25:43. > :25:46.many ways that tax havens are used such as corporate tax avoidance

:25:47. > :25:51.which may not be strictly illegal, but they are abusive of society.

:25:52. > :25:56.They are extracting wealth from one section of society and giving it,

:25:57. > :25:59.handing it effectively another section, jnly a wealthier section.

:26:00. > :26:05.You have an erosion of democracy as you have one set of rules for the

:26:06. > :26:09.rich and powerful and another set of rules for everybody else and I think

:26:10. > :26:14.this data leak just shows that so very clearly. I'd like to add one

:26:15. > :26:20.more point add to what Robert said about the UK. There is a lot of talk

:26:21. > :26:26.about how much influence or power does the UK have over its own tax

:26:27. > :26:31.havens. I think ultimately it is a question of political will. The UK

:26:32. > :26:35.does ultimately have the power to tell these places to strike down its

:26:36. > :26:40.secrecy laws, but for reasons of political will they have decided not

:26:41. > :26:46.to and for reasons of precedent, but they can do it. They impose a direct

:26:47. > :26:51.rule on the Turks and Caicos islands a few years ago and they can, all

:26:52. > :26:56.the laws that are set-up, they come to the Privy Council in London for

:26:57. > :27:02.to be approved and Britain can, Britain can stop this stuff for its

:27:03. > :27:06.own territories. Paula, tell what yous is happening in the summer in

:27:07. > :27:10.term of the register that's coming in and what difference it will make?

:27:11. > :27:14.We have got the persons of significant control register. If you

:27:15. > :27:17.have somebody who controls 25% or move of a limited liability

:27:18. > :27:20.partnership or a limited company or indeed someone that has the power to

:27:21. > :27:24.remove the whole board of directors or the majority of the board of

:27:25. > :27:28.directors, then their details will have to be registered at companies

:27:29. > :27:33.house. The real owners will be registered. That is what is supposed

:27:34. > :27:36.to happen. From what I have been reading on the leaked documents,

:27:37. > :27:39.individuals have been able to buy identities that they can use on the

:27:40. > :27:42.registers and if that is what is happening, then that makes some of

:27:43. > :27:46.the information meaningless if you are trying to get behind the

:27:47. > :27:50.structures. Robert, in terms of those who want to buy somebody

:27:51. > :27:56.else's identity to make it look like someone else runs, you know, has

:27:57. > :28:02.this company in a tax haven. Would there always be a sinister motive or

:28:03. > :28:08.not? Going back to the point that Nick made about something being

:28:09. > :28:14.illegal or legitimate. It is legal to pay somebody and say I want you

:28:15. > :28:20.to be a director on my behalf. I don't have a problem with that as

:28:21. > :28:25.well as there is disclosure and transparency. I am disclosing that

:28:26. > :28:28.the person who really controls this company is this other person. What

:28:29. > :28:31.is important about what is happening in the UK, this information will be

:28:32. > :28:35.public. It will be available to the public. So all of us, law

:28:36. > :28:38.enforcement from around the world will be able to have access to this

:28:39. > :28:41.information and that's what we think should happen with the tax havens.

:28:42. > :28:48.This summit that's happening next month is an opportunity to do that.

:28:49. > :28:55.I think sometimes this stuff can end up being seeming very intellectual.

:28:56. > :28:59.Some of us of have been watching the Night Man and I feel what's really

:29:00. > :29:04.important why we should care about this, if rich and powerful companies

:29:05. > :29:08.and individuals aren't paying their taxes, there is less money for

:29:09. > :29:12.schools, hospitals, education, and it is unfair on all of us who are

:29:13. > :29:19.paying our taxes. Nicholas, why should people care? This this goes

:29:20. > :29:29.to the heart of democracy. It goes to the heart, tax havens are regard

:29:30. > :29:33.as an exotic sideshow. As I said, they are ways for generally the

:29:34. > :29:36.wealthier and more powerful members of society to escape rules that they

:29:37. > :29:39.don't like. You have one set of rules for them and another set for

:29:40. > :29:44.everybody else. That is a hugely important matter. There is the tax

:29:45. > :29:49.element. There is also the financial crime element and all of these

:29:50. > :29:53.things are vetted by off-shore secrecy. Another angle to this about

:29:54. > :29:58.tax haven, we need to think separately, what this is about is

:29:59. > :30:05.basically individuals using secrecy to avoid tax of the there is another

:30:06. > :30:11.side of tax havens corporate tax avoidance, the Lux Leaks scandal was

:30:12. > :30:14.another smaller emergence of data and that revealed huge corporations

:30:15. > :30:18.multinational corporations paying small amounts of tax getting away,

:30:19. > :30:22.escaping from their tax obligations. This is all off-shore stuff and I

:30:23. > :30:25.think it is profoundly corrupting of the whole global economic system.

:30:26. > :30:30.Thank you very much all of you. Thank you for coming on the

:30:31. > :30:35.programme. Lots of you getting in touch to ask why we are not naming

:30:36. > :30:39.any of the British people. The BBC along with 107 other media

:30:40. > :30:43.organisations has been wading through 11 million documents and you

:30:44. > :30:46.will hear more details on the story including any British claims over

:30:47. > :30:49.the next few days. Do not worry about that.

:30:50. > :30:51.And you can watch all the details on Panorama:

:30:52. > :30:53.Tax Havens of the Rich and Powerful Exposed tonight

:30:54. > :31:09.let's just bring you news from Gatwick Airport, 20-year-old man

:31:10. > :31:12.arrested there on suspicion of Syria related terrorism offences according

:31:13. > :31:17.to the West Midlands Police. They say a 24-year-old man has been

:31:18. > :31:21.arrested at Gatwick Airport on suspicion of Syria related terrorism

:31:22. > :31:28.offences. That from West Midlands Police in the last few seconds.

:31:29. > :31:29.Before 10am, we'll bring you cab-share.

:31:30. > :31:32.Our political guru Norman Smith shares a black cab with some

:31:33. > :31:36.This morning it's the turn of Labour's candidate Sadiq Khan.

:31:37. > :31:40.Does his Knowledge stand up to the test?

:31:41. > :31:48.You take the tube, I will give you a sequence. Northern line, Central

:31:49. > :31:56.and? Northern line. What is next in the sequence... That is hard! What

:31:57. > :32:03.is London's oldest museum? The history museum? It is the British

:32:04. > :32:09.Museum, but I will let you off. That is in a few minutes. Also, a

:32:10. > :32:13.growing number of professionals are becoming cage fighters and trying

:32:14. > :32:16.out mixed martial arts. We followed a recruitment consultant as he

:32:17. > :32:20.prepares for his first amateur fight.

:32:21. > :32:24.Ben Brown is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

:32:25. > :32:32.A huge cache of confidential documents has been leaked,

:32:33. > :32:35.revealing how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth.

:32:36. > :32:37.They come from one of the world's most secretive companies,

:32:38. > :32:42.a law firm called Mossack Fonseca based in Panama.

:32:43. > :32:47.One campaigner against tax havens has told the Victoria Derbyshire

:32:48. > :32:52.programme how tax systems can be exploited. It lifts the veil on the

:32:53. > :32:56.detail, you see the mechanisms about how people are able to keep their

:32:57. > :33:01.money offshore. Sometimes it is about tax, sometimes it is about

:33:02. > :33:04.corruption, sometimes it is about sanctions busting. Basically if you

:33:05. > :33:08.want to hide your money and assets, you want to get yourself an

:33:09. > :33:09.anonymously owned company, stash your money offshore, and you are

:33:10. > :33:11.sorted. The first migrants to be returned

:33:12. > :33:14.from Greece to Turkey under an EU deal have docked in

:33:15. > :33:16.the Turkish port of Dikili. It's thought the vast majority

:33:17. > :33:19.were from Pakistan and had not As part of the deal,

:33:20. > :33:24.more than a dozen Syrian migrants have been flown to

:33:25. > :33:26.Germany this morning. Officers from West Midlands Counter

:33:27. > :33:29.Terrorism Unit have arrested a man at Gatwick airport on suspicion

:33:30. > :33:36.of Syria-related terrorism offences. The man, who lives in Birmingham

:33:37. > :33:38.and is 24-years-old, was detained before

:33:39. > :33:39.boarding a flight. A 20-year-old woman has also been

:33:40. > :33:42.arrested at an address in West London for alleged

:33:43. > :33:44.Syria-related offences. The two are being held at a police

:33:45. > :33:48.station in the West Midlands. Union leaders meet in London today

:33:49. > :33:51.to plan the next steps of their campaign to save

:33:52. > :33:56.the British steel industry. Tata Steel announced

:33:57. > :33:58.last week it was selling There'll also be a meeting this

:33:59. > :34:06.morning of a Wales Tata taskforce, including representatives

:34:07. > :34:07.of the Welsh Assembly, This afternoon an emergency session

:34:08. > :34:12.of the Welsh Assembly will discuss the crisis hanging over

:34:13. > :34:16.the Port Talbot plant. There are calls for doping in sport

:34:17. > :34:21.to be made a criminal offence. Lord Moynihan, the former chairman

:34:22. > :34:24.of the British Olympic Association, has started a petition calling

:34:25. > :34:27.for a change in the law. It follows allegations

:34:28. > :34:32.in the Sunday Times of performance enhancing drugs being taken

:34:33. > :34:34.in a range of sports, including boxing,

:34:35. > :34:39.football and cricket. A murder investigation has been

:34:40. > :34:41.launched after a 17-year-old boy was stabbed to death

:34:42. > :34:47.in south-east London. Two teenagers, aged 15 and 16,

:34:48. > :34:50.have been arrested. Officers were called

:34:51. > :34:54.to reports of an altercation between youths

:34:55. > :34:56.in Lewisham, at around Dame Judi Dench has became the most

:34:57. > :35:04.successful actor in the history The veteran actress picked up

:35:05. > :35:08.a record eighth gong for best supporting actress for her role

:35:09. > :35:10.in The Winter's Tale. No-one has won as many Oliviers

:35:11. > :35:13.for acting since the awards began I had a bet with my grandson,

:35:14. > :35:21.which I've now lost. And I'm never going to be

:35:22. > :35:24.allowed to forget it. That's a summary of

:35:25. > :35:39.the latest BBC News - Hugh has the latest sport.

:35:40. > :35:43.We will start at cricket, captain Eoin Morgan says he will give Ben

:35:44. > :35:47.Stokes time to hurt after the final over which saw the West Indies that

:35:48. > :35:54.a thrilling win in the world 20 might -- Twenty20 final, but he said

:35:55. > :35:56.Stokes will come back stronger from the experience.

:35:57. > :36:00.Leicester are seven points clear at the top of the Premier League with

:36:01. > :36:03.six games remaining, they beat Southampton with a goal from their

:36:04. > :36:06.captain Wes Morgan. Louis van Gaal admitted Manchester

:36:07. > :36:11.United were lucky to beat Everton 1-4 you read thanks to Anthony

:36:12. > :36:12.Martial's winner. They are one point behind fourth placed Manchester

:36:13. > :36:15.City. Lewis Hamilton could only manage

:36:16. > :36:21.third after starting from pole fishing. Nico Rosberg made it two

:36:22. > :36:24.wins from two this season at the Bahrain Grand Prix.

:36:25. > :36:37.I will be back with another round up just after 10am.

:36:38. > :36:40.In a month's time, Boris Johnson's eight-year term as Mayor of London

:36:41. > :36:43.ends - leaving one of the most powerful jobs in the country up

:36:44. > :36:47.The next Mayor will preside over a city that's home to 8.6 million

:36:48. > :36:49.people - that's roughly the populations of Scotland

:36:50. > :36:53.They'll have the power to decide policy in areas such as housing,

:36:54. > :36:55.transport and policing, and will control a budget

:36:56. > :36:59.There have only been two Mayors since the job was created in 2000 -

:37:00. > :37:02.Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone - both big, colourful characters

:37:03. > :37:13.starting with the two front-runners - Conservative candidate

:37:14. > :37:15.Zac Goldsmith and Labour candidate Sadiq Khan.

:37:16. > :37:18.They couldn't have more different backgrounds.

:37:19. > :37:21.One is the son of a billionaire businessman and politician who grew

:37:22. > :37:25.up in the public eye, and the other is the son of a bus

:37:26. > :37:27.driver who grew up on a council estate

:37:28. > :37:35.Our political guru Norman Smith has shared a cab with them both.

:37:36. > :37:46.Can I get to the office of the fantastic Tooting MP?

:37:47. > :37:49.It's on Balham High Road, near Tooting Bec tube station.

:37:50. > :38:11.What are you, are you a Uber man, or a black-cab man?

:38:12. > :38:16.I am both an Uber and a black-cab man.

:38:17. > :38:19.Do you go along with some of the ideas to curb Uber,

:38:20. > :38:23.for example, forcing them to wait five minutes?

:38:24. > :38:25.Specifically with Uber, there is a view among black cabbies

:38:26. > :38:31.Do you think if you were mayor you would look to do something

:38:32. > :38:37.I am not sure if waiting for five minutes works.

:38:38. > :38:41.The important thing is to make sure we level the playing field.

:38:42. > :38:43.For example, think about what you have got to go

:38:44. > :38:50.through as a black-cab driver before you can drive a black cab.

:38:51. > :38:59.The criminal checks, the Knowledge you've got to do,

:39:00. > :39:01.and rather than levelling down your high standards,

:39:02. > :39:03.let's level up the private hire vehicles' standards.

:39:04. > :39:08.How does that work? Do they have English tests?

:39:09. > :39:10.We will need to bring up their standards.

:39:11. > :39:13.Basic English should be a requirement if you

:39:14. > :39:17.And without that they would not be able to operate as a cab driver?

:39:18. > :39:21.In my view, if you are in any public-facing job you should be able

:39:22. > :39:25.I thought while we were waiting at the light, why don't I give

:39:26. > :39:27.you some quickfire questions so we can get a feel

:39:28. > :39:40.Do you believe in God? Yes.

:39:41. > :39:50.As a feminist, as a dad, I think it is not great to have

:39:51. > :39:53.women's naked bodies in newspapers read by millions.

:39:54. > :40:04.Would you take in, or think about taking in, a Syrian refugee?

:40:05. > :40:08.I'd speak to my wife about it first, but assuming the family agree to it,

:40:09. > :40:13.At the moment it is difficult, I have got two teenage

:40:14. > :40:17.Just passing that cyclist, do you think cyclists should have

:40:18. > :40:27.But we have got to make it safer and easier for people to cycle.

:40:28. > :40:30.I saw on your website one of the things you want is to be

:40:31. > :40:41.But I don't think of you as a pro-business politician.

:40:42. > :40:44.I was looking at your record and when it comes to things

:40:45. > :40:46.like corporation tax cuts for business, you have always

:40:47. > :40:49.I am the only candidate with the experience of helping run

:40:50. > :40:55.I will go with a Conservative Chancellor and Prime Minister

:40:56. > :40:58.on trade missions around the world to get business for London.

:40:59. > :41:01.You would be happy to go on visits to India, wherever,

:41:02. > :41:12.I would also be campaigning, hopefully as the Mayor of London,

:41:13. > :41:16.between May 5th, May 6th, after the election

:41:17. > :41:18.and June 23rd, with the Conservative Prime

:41:19. > :41:19.Minister and Chancellor, Conservative Business Secretary,

:41:20. > :41:21.for us to stay in the European Union.

:41:22. > :41:24.What do you say to those in your party who would say

:41:25. > :41:31.you are giving legitimacy to your party's opponents?

:41:32. > :41:36.You know, the future of the city I love, the future of our country,

:41:37. > :41:39.is far more important than tribal party politics.

:41:40. > :41:43.How does that go down in your party, particularly with the likes

:41:44. > :41:46.of Jeremy Corbyn, that sort of, "I'm going to work with George Osborne,

:41:47. > :41:48.I am going to work with David Cameron" approach?

:41:49. > :41:51.When it comes to being a mayor of a great city, you've got

:41:52. > :41:54.to recognise your role is to be a champion for that city.

:41:55. > :41:59.I am not Jeremy Corbyn's representative to London.

:42:00. > :42:06.Nominated him, I'm sorry, to get him in the contest.

:42:07. > :42:12.It is quite important for us to recognise the Labour Party has

:42:13. > :42:15.lost not one but two general elections in a row badly.

:42:16. > :42:18.Do you seriously think Jeremy Corbyn is going to put you in

:42:19. > :42:25.To deprive the Labour movement of a chance to vote

:42:26. > :42:28.for all the candidates they could have a chance to do

:42:29. > :42:31.You surely want Labour to be in the best position

:42:32. > :42:35.My question is do you think Jeremy Corbyn puts you in a better

:42:36. > :42:43.That is why it is wrong to exclude somebody from the ballot paper.

:42:44. > :42:45.The Labour movement voted for Jeremy Corbyn.

:42:46. > :42:47.I may not have voted for Jeremy Corbyn...

:42:48. > :42:49.It sounds like you are a supporter of his.

:42:50. > :42:53.Of course I support the Labour Party.

:42:54. > :42:56.You are still an MP, Sadiq, you know how many MPs view

:42:57. > :43:00.Jeremy Corbyn, and they are terrified that however popular

:43:01. > :43:03.he may be in the Labour Party, many voters are never going to vote

:43:04. > :43:06.for him and therefore your party is potentially heading for an even

:43:07. > :43:10.worse encounter with the electorate at the next election.

:43:11. > :43:14.And those are some of the challenges that Jeremy Corbyn as the leader

:43:15. > :43:16.I'm not the leader of the Labour Party,

:43:17. > :43:28.Let's talk a little about immigration, because a huge

:43:29. > :43:30.issue, London a huge magnet for immigrants.

:43:31. > :43:32.Do you think there are too many immigrants?

:43:33. > :43:36.I think it is important to explain that question with more detail

:43:37. > :43:43.We have to understand for the last thousand years we have benefited

:43:44. > :43:47.as a city from trade, from ideas and from people.

:43:48. > :43:55.You have got various forms of immigration.

:43:56. > :43:58.You have those who come on a work permit, those who are students,

:43:59. > :44:02.those who are asylum seekers and refugees.

:44:03. > :44:08.Those who come and don't have a good reason.

:44:09. > :44:10.What is really important is we distinguish the different

:44:11. > :44:21.If you think London is perhaps the most diverse cosmopolitan city

:44:22. > :44:31.Because the level, the numbers, puts a massive strain on resources.

:44:32. > :44:36.At the end of the day, London is already a diverse city

:44:37. > :44:40.and people are by and large OK with that.

:44:41. > :44:46.Numbers is a question, and my question to you is

:44:47. > :44:49.do you think the numbers at the moment are too high?

:44:50. > :44:53.It is about making sure we plan for the numbers.

:44:54. > :44:57.Let me give you an example - one of my plans is to set up a Homes

:44:58. > :45:02.I would be in charge of making sure there are genuinely affordable homes

:45:03. > :45:09.At least half would be genuinely affordable where you pay social

:45:10. > :45:11.rent, a London living rent of one third of average earnings,

:45:12. > :45:14.but also homes you can afford to buy under shared ownership.

:45:15. > :45:18.What do you say to those who view you as someone who is a bit

:45:19. > :45:21.I am thinking, obviously, of Heathrow, where you used to be

:45:22. > :45:27.I am not going to apologise for changing my mind

:45:28. > :45:33.I am not some sort of mad ideologue who keeps their head in the sand

:45:34. > :45:41.It makes you sick and it's illegal and in those circumstances,

:45:42. > :45:47.But it is not just on Heathrow, is it?

:45:48. > :45:51.You used to be a strong supporter of that.

:45:52. > :46:03.There used to be a saying the 1980s, members of the Labour Party had,

:46:04. > :46:05.and the saying was, no compromise with the electorate.

:46:06. > :46:07.And we lost election after election after election.

:46:08. > :46:09.We put a manifesto to the British public last May.

:46:10. > :46:20.We can put it back to the British public either this May or in 2020,

:46:21. > :46:22.but don't be surprised if we get hammered.

:46:23. > :46:25.I'm a democrat, I'm a pluralist, I want to win elections.

:46:26. > :46:28.I've got to recognise that the offer we had last May was not good enough.

:46:29. > :46:31.That is why I am asking you about Jeremy Corbyn.

:46:32. > :46:34.Do you seriously think he will put you in a better position?

:46:35. > :46:36.Norman, I tell you what, I am working my socks off

:46:37. > :46:39.between now and May 5th to win the London election

:46:40. > :46:41.because only by winning elections can we change

:46:42. > :46:50.Let me give you some quick fires on London...

:46:51. > :46:52.This is Wandsworth Common, by the way.

:46:53. > :46:55.When I was training for the marathon, my route

:46:56. > :46:57.includes three commons - Tooting Common, Clapham Common

:46:58. > :47:01.And this, when you run back here, on the pavement, you can feel

:47:02. > :47:06.So I changed my route to avoid the main road -

:47:07. > :47:10.this is the way back to my home - because of the air quality

:47:11. > :47:15.Let me ask you some London questions.

:47:16. > :47:18.The Tube, you obviously take the Tube, so I'm going to give

:47:19. > :47:22.You did the Northern line, Central line?

:47:23. > :47:35.Tottenham Court Road, Leicester Square, Charing Cross.

:47:36. > :47:42.The time between Embankment and Charing Cross is 30

:47:43. > :47:45.OK, here's another one. Who pays at Selhurst Park?

:47:46. > :47:53.Let me ask you an East Enders question.

:47:54. > :48:04.I was going to ask you who was the first barmaid in the Queen Vic.

:48:05. > :48:11.I used to have a paper round and I used to deliver

:48:12. > :48:16.True story. When I had a paper round.

:48:17. > :48:20.What is London's oldest museum?

:48:21. > :48:31.My office used to be in Museum Street in Bloomsbury,

:48:32. > :48:35.And so I spent many times in that museum when I was growing up.

:48:36. > :48:43.If you get the Mayor thing, what do you want to be your big legacy?

:48:44. > :48:45.If there was one thing, if you became mayor,

:48:46. > :48:47.you would want to stand out as your achievement,

:48:48. > :48:51.To start addressing the housing crisis so Londoners can afford

:48:52. > :48:55.Look London is the greatest city in the world.

:48:56. > :48:59.Because Londoners are being priced out of London because of

:49:00. > :49:01.the cost of housing, and the cost of commuting.

:49:02. > :49:07.I think I've got myself a second job here.

:49:08. > :49:12.Some would argue that is an improvement on your first one!

:49:13. > :49:15.There we go, Sadiq, very nice to have in the back of the cab.

:49:16. > :49:39.Tomorrow we'll hear from the Conservative candidate

:49:40. > :49:44.In total 12 candidates are hoping to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor

:49:45. > :49:45.of London in the election on 5th May.

:49:46. > :49:53.You can find a full list of them on the BBC News site.

:49:54. > :49:55.The first boat carrying migrants deported from Greece has arrived

:49:56. > :50:02.Over 130 people, mostly from Pakistan, have been returned

:50:03. > :50:05.under a deal between the EU and Turkey which hopes to ease mass

:50:06. > :50:11.Our correspondent Mark Lowen has been at the port in Dikili in Turkey

:50:12. > :50:17.There they are, the first migrants who have disembarked from the boat

:50:18. > :50:19.that has come over from Lesbos this morning.

:50:20. > :50:22.They've been joined by Turkish officials from the Red Crescent

:50:23. > :50:29.and from the local authorities here, checking their welfare and then

:50:30. > :50:32.registering them in a little tent that has been set up

:50:33. > :50:35.Now along with the second boat that is following closely behind,

:50:36. > :50:39.we understand about 130 people are on board, mainly Pakistanis.

:50:40. > :50:41.We understand they were taken to deportation centres elsewhere

:50:42. > :50:46.Turkey has been signing readmission agreements with about 14 countries

:50:47. > :50:48.in the last couple of weeks since the deal was struck

:50:49. > :50:51.with the European Union, in order for them to be deported

:50:52. > :50:58.The Syrians who will be sent back in the coming weeks who were not

:50:59. > :51:00.given asylum in Greece will be taken to refugee camps,

:51:01. > :51:02.mainly on Turkey's southern border with Syria.

:51:03. > :51:04.There, they will eventually be exchanged with Syrians who will be

:51:05. > :51:06.directly resettled in the European Union as part

:51:07. > :51:14.There are still major doubts over the viability of this deal,

:51:15. > :51:17.whether it will hold and whether it will discourage people

:51:18. > :51:19.from still trying to make that journey across to Greece.

:51:20. > :51:23.On average, since the deal was struck with the European Union,

:51:24. > :51:25.about 400 migrants a day have still been trying to arrive

:51:26. > :51:31.So still, people are not dissuaded from trying.

:51:32. > :51:34.We will have to see whether or not when the news gets out

:51:35. > :51:36.that the deportation process is ongoing, whether that stops

:51:37. > :51:45.people from trying to make that perilous journey.

:51:46. > :51:47.We can now speak to our correspondent Jenny Hill

:51:48. > :52:00.Hello. Around 16 refugees, we're told, mainly families, touched down

:52:01. > :52:04.in Hannover a couple of hours ago, another small group is expected to

:52:05. > :52:08.follow later. A spokesperson for the immigration authorities described

:52:09. > :52:12.them as exhausted, but excited. They only learned a week ago that they

:52:13. > :52:17.would be re-housed in Germany. They will be living at a camp and this

:52:18. > :52:21.has been described as the first step, Germany is expecting to take

:52:22. > :52:26.in around 1600 refugees initially as part of this deal, but that number

:52:27. > :52:29.is expected to go up to around 15,000 at a later date.

:52:30. > :52:33.is expected to go up to around think, widely seen as a symbolic

:52:34. > :52:37.gesture. Don't forget, of course, that Germany, Angela Merkel was very

:52:38. > :52:42.much the force behind this deal. Angela Merkel is very much relying

:52:43. > :52:45.on it working out because she herself has promised Germans that

:52:46. > :52:50.she will reduce the number of people seeking asylum in Germany.

:52:51. > :52:56.Thank you very much, Jenny. Jenny Hill in Berlin.

:52:57. > :52:58.Leicester City moved a significant step closer to completing one

:52:59. > :53:01.of the most remarkable feats in British football history

:53:02. > :53:02.by beating Southampton 1-0 yesterday.

:53:03. > :53:05.The Foxes are now seven points clear at the top of the Premier league

:53:06. > :53:09.To put that into context, this time last year they were battling

:53:10. > :53:20.relegation and, at the start of the season, the odds on them

:53:21. > :53:24.the same odds that you'd get for proof that Elvis Presley

:53:25. > :53:27.is alive or for the yeti or Loch Ness monster existing.

:53:28. > :53:29.On this programme two life-long Leicester fans have been keeping

:53:30. > :53:32.video diaries for us as the season comes to a climatic end.

:53:33. > :53:34.Here are our two fans Gary L Johnson and yes,

:53:35. > :53:48.he is named after Gary Lineker and Sandra Fixter.

:53:49. > :53:51.It's 2nd April and you may be surprised to see me here,

:53:52. > :53:54.because Leicester City are not playing Southampton until tomorrow.

:53:55. > :53:59.However, the run-up to the game starts today.

:54:00. > :54:05.We're all settled in with pizzas, ready to watch Liverpool hopefully

:54:06. > :54:11.beat Tottenham to keep the gap where it should be.

:54:12. > :54:13.Five points between us, before we play.

:54:14. > :54:24.But for 90 minutes, we want to be Liverpool supporters.

:54:25. > :54:33.We know Tottenham are playing today so we'll keep an eye on the score.

:54:34. > :54:36.We've got the television on all ready to see what they are up to.

:54:37. > :54:38.We could really do with Liverpool helping us today.

:54:39. > :54:40.And beating Tottenham in their score.

:54:41. > :55:07.50 minutes into the match and Liverpool have scored,

:55:08. > :55:18.Right, well Spurs have drawn 1-1 with Liverpool,

:55:19. > :55:21.so they are four points behind us now and it is down

:55:22. > :55:34.It doesn't get any easier being a Leicester City supporter.

:55:35. > :55:44.I can't believe how much the nerves are kicking in.

:55:45. > :55:46.We're going to win, we're going to win.

:55:47. > :55:49.I don't know whether I will be reporting after the match,

:55:50. > :55:51.because hopefully I will not have a voice.

:55:52. > :55:53.But let's hope, this season, we will be like two seasons ago

:55:54. > :55:57.I'm now walking to the stadium for our next fixture.

:55:58. > :55:59.It's getting a little bit exciting though.

:56:00. > :56:01.I don't know what to call for this one.

:56:02. > :56:07.They were up there last season themselves.

:56:08. > :56:12.Here we are, the King Power Stadium. Walking up to the ground.

:56:13. > :56:25.So everyone in the ground has got one of those doughnuts.

:56:26. > :56:28.Because it is the chairman's birthday.

:56:29. > :56:31.What other club gives away birthday presents to everyone in the ground

:56:32. > :56:40.We're in the ground with a free doughnut and a free beer courtesy

:56:41. > :56:44.Let's hope it bodes well for a good result.

:56:45. > :56:46.So we've got the drink, we've got the programme.

:56:47. > :56:51.We're about to go in the stadium now, so, come on Leicester,

:56:52. > :56:54.I feel it is going to be a good match.

:56:55. > :57:14.Well, it's half-time, we are winning 1-0.

:57:15. > :57:16.But Southampton are an excellent side.

:57:17. > :57:19.They are getting us on the counter, but too nervous to carry on.

:57:20. > :57:32.We've won 1-0, again, and it's getting terrible.

:57:33. > :57:35.I'm going to have to carry a portable ECG,

:57:36. > :57:45.It's going to happen. We're going to win the league.

:57:46. > :57:48.I can't believe it. It means so much to all of us.

:57:49. > :57:50.And all the fans. What a year to be a Blue.

:57:51. > :57:54.So that is it, we have won match at the King Power Stadium.

:57:55. > :57:57.There so much faith behind the supporters, the fans,

:57:58. > :58:05.the players, and what a better way to top off our chairman's birthday

:58:06. > :58:09.A happy birthday and we are onto the next one.

:58:10. > :58:17.Back in the car. And I am speechless, absolutely.

:58:18. > :58:22.What about you, folks? What about you?

:58:23. > :58:27.# We are going to win the league. # We are going to win the league.

:58:28. > :58:30.It's the final of The Voice tonight. She won't with it!

:58:31. > :58:43.Oh, what a game. These 1-0s are doing my head in.

:58:44. > :58:46.But it's three points and seven points clear.

:58:47. > :58:52.And we'll continue to follow Leicester's progress over the course

:58:53. > :59:00.You can watch all of Gary and Sandra's diaries

:59:01. > :59:05.on our programme page: bbc.co.uk/victoria

:59:06. > :59:07.Still to come: They may be suited and booted for work,

:59:08. > :59:09.but a growing number of professionals are becoming cage

:59:10. > :59:12.fighters and trying out mixed martial arts.

:59:13. > :59:14.We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares

:59:15. > :59:30.If you are a fan and you compete, we would be really keen to talk to you

:59:31. > :59:33.on the programme this morning. Let's get the latest

:59:34. > :59:44.weather update with Nick. This week's weather is not the best

:59:45. > :59:47.that spring has to offer. We are dodging the downpours. We have got

:59:48. > :59:50.more rain spreading northwards across Scotland. It is affecting

:59:51. > :59:54.parts of Northern Ireland especially the further east you are and these

:59:55. > :59:59.are heavy showers developing across England and Wales. Some will be

:00:00. > :00:02.thundery. There is a risk of hail and difficult driving conditions,

:00:03. > :00:06.but there are drier, brighter moments in between the showers. If

:00:07. > :00:11.you get a bit of sunshine later, parts of East Anglia and the South

:00:12. > :00:14.East, with fewer showers, you could get to 15 Celsius somewhere. We are

:00:15. > :00:19.left are rain across parts of Scotland and Northern England and

:00:20. > :00:21.maybe fringing North Wales. Some clear spells developing across

:00:22. > :00:25.Northern Ireland where temperatures will dip here. So fairly chilly here

:00:26. > :00:30.as we start the day tomorrow. Elsewhere, around six to eight

:00:31. > :00:32.Celsius. We keep a lot of cloud tomorrow across Scotland and

:00:33. > :00:35.Northern England, patchy outbreaks of rain. For Northern Ireland, the

:00:36. > :00:39.rest of England and Wales, we will get some sunny spells and that will

:00:40. > :00:41.lead to a fairly pleasant afternoon, but it turns colder still as the

:00:42. > :00:57.week goes on. That's your forecast. The top stories this morning, how

:00:58. > :01:01.some of the world's richest people hide their money in offshore

:01:02. > :01:03.accounts, we bring you details of the biggest ever leaked of

:01:04. > :01:09.confidential documents showing how tax havens are exploited. Also,

:01:10. > :01:13.there are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence. We

:01:14. > :01:17.will speak to the former chair of the British Olympic Association. And

:01:18. > :01:20.as a battle to save the British Steel industry continues, union

:01:21. > :01:24.leaders are meeting to plan the next steps of their campaign. We will

:01:25. > :01:28.speak to them live. And when the rush hour is over, it is super-soft

:01:29. > :01:32.for the white-collar workers taking up cage fighting. We will follow a

:01:33. > :01:37.recruitment adviser as he prepares for his first clash. These guys

:01:38. > :01:41.learning to fight for the first time, it is scary, you are about to

:01:42. > :01:51.go into war in front of 10,000 people. I would be scared as well.

:01:52. > :01:55.Good morning, time for the latest BBC News with Ben.

:01:56. > :02:00.A huge cache of confidential documents has been leaked,

:02:01. > :02:08.revealing how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth.

:02:09. > :02:10.They come from one of the world's most secretive companies,

:02:11. > :02:13.a law firm called Mossack Fonseca based in Panama.

:02:14. > :02:16.One campaigner against tax havens has told the Victoria Derbyshire

:02:17. > :02:17.programme how tax systems can be exploited.

:02:18. > :02:21.It lifts the veil on the detail, you see the mechanisms about how

:02:22. > :02:27.people are able to keep their money offshore.

:02:28. > :02:29.Sometimes it is about tax, sometimes it is about

:02:30. > :02:31.corruption, sometimes it is about sanctions busting.

:02:32. > :02:35.Basically if you want to hide your money and assets,

:02:36. > :02:37.you want to get yourself an anonymously-owned company,

:02:38. > :02:39.stash your money offshore, and you are

:02:40. > :02:43.In the last hour, a second boat of migrants who are being returned

:02:44. > :02:48.from Greece to Turkey under an EU deal have docked in the Turkish port

:02:49. > :02:52.It's thought the vast majority were from Pakistan and had not

:02:53. > :02:56.As part of the deal, more than a dozen Syrian migrants

:02:57. > :02:58.have been flown to Germany this morning.

:02:59. > :03:00.A murder investigation has been launched after a 17-year-old boy

:03:01. > :03:02.was stabbed to death in south-east London.

:03:03. > :03:06.Two teenagers, aged 15 and 16, have been arrested.

:03:07. > :03:09.Officers were called to reports of an altercation

:03:10. > :03:11.between youths in Lewisham, at around

:03:12. > :03:18.Union leaders meet in London today to plan the next steps

:03:19. > :03:21.of their campaign to save the British steel industry.

:03:22. > :03:23.Tata Steel announced last week it was selling

:03:24. > :03:33.There'll also be a meeting this morning of a Wales Tata taskforce,

:03:34. > :03:34.including representatives of the Welsh Assembly,

:03:35. > :03:38.This afternoon an emergency session of the Welsh Assembly will discuss

:03:39. > :03:43.the crisis hanging over the Port Talbot plant.

:03:44. > :03:46.Labour's candidate for London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, has told this programme

:03:47. > :03:49.that taxi drivers in the capital must be able to speak decent

:03:50. > :03:53.He said Uber drivers should have to go through the same checks

:03:54. > :03:58.that apply to black cabs.

:03:59. > :04:00.He was giving an interview in a cab to the BBC's

:04:01. > :04:06.assistant political editor, Norman Smith.

:04:07. > :04:08.The vehicles are so expensive, they're all disabled-friendly,

:04:09. > :04:11.the criminal checks, the Knowledge you've got to do -

:04:12. > :04:12.rather than levelling down your high standards,

:04:13. > :04:14.let's level up the private hire vehicle standards.

:04:15. > :04:17.Speaking English, doing security checks.

:04:18. > :04:20.How does that work, do they have English tests?

:04:21. > :04:22.Yeah, we will need to bring up the standards.

:04:23. > :04:26.Basic English should be a requirement if you are a public

:04:27. > :04:30.And if they don't get that, they wouldn't be able to operate

:04:31. > :04:34.In my view, if you're in any public facing job,

:04:35. > :04:36.you should have to speak basic English.

:04:37. > :04:40.There are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence.

:04:41. > :04:42.Lord Moynihan, the former chairman of the British Olympic Association,

:04:43. > :04:46.has started a petition calling for a change in the law.

:04:47. > :04:48.It follows allegations in the Sunday Times of performance

:04:49. > :04:50.enhancing drugs being taken in a range of sports,

:04:51. > :04:55.including boxing, football and cricket.

:04:56. > :04:58.Officers from West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit have arrested a man

:04:59. > :05:01.at Gatwick airport on suspicion of Syria-related terrorism offences.

:05:02. > :05:04.The man, who lives in Birmingham and is 24-years-old,

:05:05. > :05:08.was detained before boarding a flight.

:05:09. > :05:11.A 20-year-old woman has also been arrested at an address

:05:12. > :05:13.in West London for alleged Syria-related offences.

:05:14. > :05:20.The two are being held at a police station in the West Midlands.

:05:21. > :05:23.A new subsidised insurance scheme for people living in areas prone

:05:24. > :05:29.to heavy flooding comes into force today.

:05:30. > :05:31.The Government-backed 'Flood Re' initiative will be funded by a levy

:05:32. > :05:34.on insurance companies, that will be passed on to all customers.

:05:35. > :05:37.It's been designed to lower the cost of home insurance for those

:05:38. > :05:39.in the worst-affected areas who currently pay thousands

:05:40. > :05:45.of pounds in premiums and large excess charges.

:05:46. > :05:48.Dame Judi Dench has became the most successful actor in the history

:05:49. > :05:54.The veteran actress picked up a record eighth gong for best

:05:55. > :05:57.supporting actress for her role in The Winter's Tale.

:05:58. > :06:00.No-one has won as many Oliviers for acting since the awards began

:06:01. > :06:09.I had a bet with my grandson, which I've now lost.

:06:10. > :06:15.And I'm never going to be allowed to forget it.

:06:16. > :06:18.That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

:06:19. > :06:32.Here are some messages from you about Leicester City and our fans

:06:33. > :06:36.doing those messages for us. On Facebook, I hope Leicester win

:06:37. > :06:40.the league, it will give smaller clubs hope and is a fairy tale. A

:06:41. > :06:44.tweet, Leicester City's rides have been the most formidable turnaround

:06:45. > :06:47.in football history. This from Dave on Twitter, I have to say, the

:06:48. > :06:49.Leicester City fans on your programme are a brilliant example of

:06:50. > :06:52.how to support your team. Do get in touch with us

:06:53. > :07:02.throughout the morning - use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE,

:07:03. > :07:09.and if you text, you will be charged Later in the programme we will hear

:07:10. > :07:17.from a man who is a recruitment consultant by day and mixed martial

:07:18. > :07:18.arts combated by night. It has grown in popularity, if you do it, get in

:07:19. > :07:32.touch and tell us why. England's men were beaten in

:07:33. > :07:36.astonishing fashion at the death in the World T20 final yesterday, joy

:07:37. > :07:40.for the West Indies as they took the men's and women's titles.

:07:41. > :07:45.Disappointment for England's men, 54 from Joe Root setting a respectable

:07:46. > :07:49.target of 156 with the bat. Excellent fielding left the West

:07:50. > :07:53.Indies needing 19 from the final over. Carlos Brathwaite Kit four

:07:54. > :07:58.straight sixes to snatch a victories from the jaws of defeat for the West

:07:59. > :08:01.Indies, leaving Ben Stokes distraught. The victors jubilant

:08:02. > :08:05.after a tournament they very nearly boycotted.

:08:06. > :08:08.Jubilation for Leicester City as well, as you have been talking

:08:09. > :08:13.about. In the space of one year they have gone from seven points from

:08:14. > :08:17.Premier League safety and facing relegation, to seven points clear at

:08:18. > :08:21.the top of the table. They beat Southampton 1-4 thanks to Wes

:08:22. > :08:25.Morgan's header, and he was praised by Claudio Ranieri who says he

:08:26. > :08:29.believes they can continue their magical season after four straight

:08:30. > :08:32.1-40 victories. Louis van Gaal admitted Manchester

:08:33. > :08:35.United were lucky to beat Everton 1-4 you read thanks to Anthony

:08:36. > :08:50.Martial's winner. United far from their best but they are now one

:08:51. > :08:52.point behind fourth placed Manchester City in the race for a

:08:53. > :08:55.spot in the Champions League. Lewis Hamilton could have a battle

:08:56. > :08:57.on his hands to hold onto his Formula 1 crown this season after

:08:58. > :09:00.his Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg made it two wins from two this

:09:01. > :09:02.season, cruising to victory at the Bahrain Grand Prix. A slow start

:09:03. > :09:06.from Hamilton meant another boy did pole position, a collision on the

:09:07. > :09:10.first laptop into seven. He recovered to third behind Rosberg

:09:11. > :09:14.and Kimi Raikkonen. England's Charley Hull just missed

:09:15. > :09:19.out on her first win in a golf major. The 20-year-old from

:09:20. > :09:23.Kettering finished second in the ANA inspiration in California, one shot

:09:24. > :09:29.behind the winner Lydia Ko. I played great, apart from the front nine it

:09:30. > :09:33.was a bit of a slow start, a couple of bogeys, two overthrew eight, then

:09:34. > :09:38.I birdied nine, ten, 11, gone on through a role through there and I

:09:39. > :09:42.felt good. It seems there is a new celebration

:09:43. > :09:47.doing the rounds thanks to the West Indies and their players. They are

:09:48. > :09:50.calling it the champions' dance, a new way to rub everyone's faces in

:09:51. > :09:56.it when you are the best! Dwayne Bravo and the captain Allah arriving

:09:57. > :10:03.back at their hotel after victory in Kolkata. Clearly it is catching --

:10:04. > :10:11.and their captain there. Usain the champion! Chris, the

:10:12. > :10:15.champion! Usain Bolt has a good thing going on

:10:16. > :10:18.he should stick to the celebration he has already got!

:10:19. > :10:21.I will be back for the headlines at around half past, see you then.

:10:22. > :10:31.An independent inquiry into allegations of doping

:10:32. > :10:34.by British sports stars, including Premier League

:10:35. > :10:36.footballers, is due to begin after a London-based

:10:37. > :10:38.doctor claimed to have prescribed large numbers of performance

:10:39. > :10:44.Dr Mark Bonar, who was secretly recorded by the Sunday Times,

:10:45. > :10:48.The inquiry will examine why the UK Anti Doping agency took no action

:10:49. > :10:50.when it was made aware of Dr Bonar's activities in 2014.

:10:51. > :10:54.Here's an extract of the Sunday Times secret recording:

:10:55. > :10:56.Obviously, some of these treatments I use are banned

:10:57. > :10:59.on the professional, you know, circuit.

:11:00. > :11:08.Having said that, I've worked with lots of

:11:09. > :11:11.professional athletes, who do use these treatments.

:11:12. > :11:20.The truth of the matter is, drugs are in sport.

:11:21. > :11:29.Now, what I do is, I prescribe responsibly.

:11:30. > :11:31.And I try to keep my patients the optimum

:11:32. > :11:36.So if someone came into me and said, why are you giving

:11:37. > :11:44.I can say, look, his testosterone level is 15.

:11:45. > :11:50.He has symptoms of testosterone deficiency syndrome.

:11:51. > :11:56.His levels were sub-optimal, I just topped him up.

:11:57. > :11:59.But that's not the real reason, the real

:12:00. > :12:07.Yeah, but it's how you sell it.

:12:08. > :12:09.Culture Secretary John Whittingdale has tweeted that he's meeting UK

:12:10. > :12:13.Anti-Doping today to find out why no action was taken,

:12:14. > :12:15.adding that he's deeply concerned by the Sunday Times' revelvations.

:12:16. > :12:23.We can speak now to the former Chelsea, Everton and Scotland

:12:24. > :12:24.footballer Pat Nevin, Professor Mike McNamee,

:12:25. > :12:30.professor of sports ethics at Swansea University,

:12:31. > :12:31.who's conducted research for the UK Anti-Doping Agency

:12:32. > :12:34.and Lord Colin Moynihan, former chairman of the British

:12:35. > :12:36.Olympic Association - he's started a petition to make

:12:37. > :12:44.Why should it become analysed? Two reasons, taking a cocktail of drugs

:12:45. > :12:48.is cheating the clean athlete out of selection or livelihood, and there

:12:49. > :12:51.is nothing worse in sport, sport should be clean, and if you

:12:52. > :12:54.knowingly take a cocktail of drugs, you will never hear about the clean

:12:55. > :13:00.athlete who has trained month in, month out... But there are already

:13:01. > :13:05.sanctions for athletes who cheat and are caught? There are one, two,

:13:06. > :13:10.three or four year sentences at most. The reality is even the world

:13:11. > :13:14.anti-doping agency has said, is that a sufficient deterrent? Countries

:13:15. > :13:18.around the world, Germany, Austria, Italy, France, New Zealand, has

:13:19. > :13:23.said, no, it is not a sufficient deterrent, and when you see the

:13:24. > :13:26.level of doping in sport, worldwide, tragically, you come to the

:13:27. > :13:30.conclusion that we have to realise this is broad, many of these

:13:31. > :13:33.industries are multibillion-dollar industries and if you defraud

:13:34. > :13:36.somebody you should face criminal sanctions, and that is why we have

:13:37. > :13:40.launched a petition today to introduce criminalisation of doping

:13:41. > :13:46.in sport, specific legislation to that effect. And that would include

:13:47. > :13:49.the athlete, the sports person who takes the performance enhancing

:13:50. > :13:56.drugs? Would it include their entourage, doctors, physios? All

:13:57. > :14:00.those involved in the trafficking of the drugs and giving the drugs to

:14:01. > :14:03.the athlete, colluding with the athlete in taking those drugs to

:14:04. > :14:07.cheat fellow athlete out of selection. It includes all of those,

:14:08. > :14:12.so not just the athletes but what we need to do is to crack those who

:14:13. > :14:16.traffic in drugs, stop them and make sure they are held accountable to

:14:17. > :14:20.law, and around the world governments are now introducing

:14:21. > :14:24.this, it is sad it has take on us so long to do it, but I believe it is

:14:25. > :14:27.essential. Pat Nevin, what about criminalising not only the sports

:14:28. > :14:31.person but those around them? First of all I'm very angry about it as

:14:32. > :14:38.well, just like Lord Moynihan. Furious that drugs are used in sport

:14:39. > :14:41.and that clean athlete are cheated. I wouldn't go so far as to

:14:42. > :14:51.criminalise people who are doing it. Why not? If you let the finish! As

:14:52. > :14:54.far as I would go, five-year bans, ten new bands, fair enough, but

:14:55. > :14:58.going further than that you have to be careful because there are people

:14:59. > :15:02.taking drugs sometimes mistakenly, sometimes through the use or

:15:03. > :15:05.stupidity and to criminalise and put people in jail for that sort of

:15:06. > :15:10.thing is pushing it a bit, it gets into a messy area. I am not in

:15:11. > :15:14.anyway backing them, not in any way back in the position of what they

:15:15. > :15:19.do. Stronger, harsher treatments, and also better work with the

:15:20. > :15:24.anti-doping agencies, if it is football through Fifa, through

:15:25. > :15:28.international athletics, as far as I understand, I'm sure Michael talk

:15:29. > :15:33.about this, I think ?6 million of Government money, a drop in the

:15:34. > :15:35.ocean. I think going through the sports we have to make sure that the

:15:36. > :15:45.money is going clean. Sometimes it is an innocent mistake.

:15:46. > :15:50.Sometimes the stupidity of youthfulness, why should they end up

:15:51. > :15:57.with a spell in prison? Well, the law would make clear that only those

:15:58. > :16:02.who knowingly take drugs to cheat fellow athletes out of their career,

:16:03. > :16:06.who are committing fraud would be considered to be going to prison.

:16:07. > :16:13.The law would be tightly drafted. Pat is right. There are a lot of

:16:14. > :16:21.athletes who don't know what growth hormones which would been in the

:16:22. > :16:27.steak they had last night. Those who take drugs over a lengthy of time to

:16:28. > :16:31.defraud a clean athlete should face the law. Pat says and I understand

:16:32. > :16:37.and he makes a good point, let's try and do life bans or long time bans.

:16:38. > :16:40.When I was chairman of the British Olympic Association, we asked the

:16:41. > :16:46.athletes if they agreed. Nearly 100% said yes. We took that forward as a

:16:47. > :16:50.selection policy and the World Anti-Doping Agency took us to court

:16:51. > :16:56.and said that was disproportionate so we lost that Pat. I wished we had

:16:57. > :17:00.got it through. We lost that and we are down to three, maybe four years

:17:01. > :17:04.ban and there were still people out there defrauding and those are

:17:05. > :17:07.defrauding the fellow athletes and destroying their lives, the clean

:17:08. > :17:12.athletes we want to see, those are the only ones that the legislation

:17:13. > :17:16.will focus on. Professor what do you think about the suggestion of

:17:17. > :17:23.criminalising doping? A fine or a prison sentence? We need a little

:17:24. > :17:27.distinction. It is not clear where the source of this story is a rogue

:17:28. > :17:30.doctor saying he assisted 150 athletes to dope or the severity and

:17:31. > :17:33.the effectiveness of the sanctions that are placed on athletes. At the

:17:34. > :17:37.minute with the first part, all we have got is someone who says that

:17:38. > :17:40.they doped 150 athletes. Whether we believe them or not, that's an

:17:41. > :17:47.entirely separate affair. He seemed to have no knowledge of wada

:17:48. > :17:52.governance and structures. This would be a very, very pou wirful

:17:53. > :17:56.deterrent, but the question is two-fold. One is a principle

:17:57. > :17:59.question, is a doping offence so severe, does it so offend public

:18:00. > :18:02.morality that we ought to have a criminal law? The second point is

:18:03. > :18:06.about practise and operationalisation. In anti-doping

:18:07. > :18:12.in the current structures, anti-doping officials don't need to

:18:13. > :18:15.prove intentionality, nor could they, do they don't have the

:18:16. > :18:21.resource to track down to people to come to that burden of liability. At

:18:22. > :18:26.the minute, the apty doping regulations if it is in your body,

:18:27. > :18:33.that's your problem because you have a duty of care to present yourself

:18:34. > :18:37.clean. If this person knowingly and systematicically took drugs we have

:18:38. > :18:43.got to have stronger legal back-ups, I don't know how we would afford it

:18:44. > :18:48.and B operationalise it, I am not sure A, it is justified in principle

:18:49. > :18:53.or B, that we can operationalise it. Pat, I mean, as Mike says, we don't

:18:54. > :18:57.know if this story is true of the Sunday Times says it has no

:18:58. > :19:01.independent evidence that this doctor treated footballers or they

:19:02. > :19:09.mentioned boxing and tennis and so on. But would it surprise you if

:19:10. > :19:12.footballers, the English Premier League were taking

:19:13. > :19:17.performance-enhancing drugs? You would have to be wilfully naive to

:19:18. > :19:20.suggest no footballers would take it. Everything is there, the whole

:19:21. > :19:25.cocktail is there. There is a massive amount of money available.

:19:26. > :19:28.If you look at football particularly, it is much more about

:19:29. > :19:31.fitness than it has ever been before. Tactically, about teams that

:19:32. > :19:36.press and the want to do that for long periods of time. To do that,

:19:37. > :19:41.you have to have physical stamina. To keep on going not just for 90

:19:42. > :19:46.minutes every three or four days and the incentives are massive. So there

:19:47. > :19:52.is no surprise that there is a possibility and it would be as I say

:19:53. > :19:55.naive to suggest it hasn't happened. There is one other suggestion I

:19:56. > :19:59.would make as well, within the game of football, I have been

:20:00. > :20:04.disappointed for sometime the acceptance of low level cheating. I

:20:05. > :20:07.don't think it is low level, but A, diving, B, throwing yourself to the

:20:08. > :20:10.ground and pretending you have been hit in the face. We have been soft

:20:11. > :20:14.on that and because we have been soft on that, the culture in

:20:15. > :20:17.football has slightly changed. A little bit of cheating is OK here

:20:18. > :20:22.and there. Well, I don't think that's acceptable. We should bring

:20:23. > :20:27.our culture more back to clean in every possible way and that means

:20:28. > :20:30.whether it means drugs or the way you play, your attitude on the

:20:31. > :20:33.field, we must be able to do that and I think the governing

:20:34. > :20:37.authorities should do that. They have let it slip and the culture

:20:38. > :20:41.slips with it. Professor let me ask you what you think of the Culture

:20:42. > :20:45.Secretary ordering an investigation into UK anti-doping because it is

:20:46. > :20:49.funded by taxpayers money as Pat said, a drop in the ocean, ?6

:20:50. > :20:55.million a year, is the right thing to do? Do we need to find out what

:20:56. > :20:59.they did two years when they were tipped off about this medic? I have

:21:00. > :21:05.done a lot of research around the world in relation to anti-doping and

:21:06. > :21:08.I can say that UK anti-doping as an anti-doping organisation is held in

:21:09. > :21:12.high regard. People would use phrases like a world-class research

:21:13. > :21:16.anti-doping organisation. So for me, it does seem an excessive response.

:21:17. > :21:21.It is clear that they are less well funded than they were before 2012

:21:22. > :21:25.and if people are more serious about trying to track down cheats, they

:21:26. > :21:29.have to have more resources. I don't think that public moneys is well

:21:30. > :21:34.spent funding such an organisation. But if I might come back to the

:21:35. > :21:39.football example if I may? Yes. No, I have talked to lots of premiership

:21:40. > :21:44.heads of medical services, no premiership medical team is going to

:21:45. > :21:51.be sending their athletes to a doctor such as Dr Bonar, where it

:21:52. > :21:56.may happen in the margins where an agent has power over a player who

:21:57. > :22:03.says you are no on the bench, you have got an injury maybe we need to

:22:04. > :22:08.go and get advice or assistance outside the club's structures. Those

:22:09. > :22:13.areas are more fertile for doping than the sports medicine operations

:22:14. > :22:18.of a premiership team or any other elite sports support system. I don't

:22:19. > :22:22.see physician assisted doping there. Can I cut in for a second? It

:22:23. > :22:25.happened in French football in the past at the top level. It has been

:22:26. > :22:29.caught in the past. So the fact, I agree with you, I think it would be

:22:30. > :22:33.A, I don't think clubs would be that corrupt and I don't think it they

:22:34. > :22:37.would be that stupid either to do it within the clubs and to think that's

:22:38. > :22:42.a problem, I don't think anyone is make that point as suggested through

:22:43. > :22:45.some newspapers. You're right, it is individual players or their advisers

:22:46. > :22:49.doing it, but we have to be aware here because it has happened in the

:22:50. > :22:54.game before, the likelihood isn't it is going to be the Premiership and

:22:55. > :22:57.aim' sure I'm talking to the converted, it is the smaller leagues

:22:58. > :23:00.with the Premier League that have not the resources to check it. There

:23:01. > :23:08.is where the danger starts. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you

:23:09. > :23:12.for coming on the programme. Your views welcome.

:23:13. > :23:15.Dr Mark Bonar, the doctor involved in the alleged doping wrote this

:23:16. > :23:17.on Twitter: "The Sunday Times allegations are false

:23:18. > :23:20.I have never had a relationship with any premier football

:23:21. > :23:25.Still to come: When the rush hour is over, it is suits off

:23:26. > :23:28.for the white-collar workers taking up cage fighting.

:23:29. > :23:29.We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares

:23:30. > :23:42.Dan says, "MMA is a great way to stay fit and competitive outside the

:23:43. > :23:47.office. I have total respect for these guys slash girls." If you are

:23:48. > :23:50.a MMA fighter, a cage fighter, do let me know because I'd really like

:23:51. > :23:56.to talk to you before the end of the programme.

:23:57. > :23:59.Unions are meeting in London today to plan the next steps

:24:00. > :24:01.of their campaign to save the British steel industry.

:24:02. > :24:03.Tata Steel announced last week that it was selling

:24:04. > :24:06.Our political guru Norman Smith is here.

:24:07. > :24:12.The unions are meeting today and I have got slightly good news for them

:24:13. > :24:18.and slightly not such good news. I have got off the blower to aides to

:24:19. > :24:22.the man who is the frontrunner to possibly be a buyer who runs a

:24:23. > :24:28.company called Liberty House. They own steel plants in Britain and they

:24:29. > :24:32.purchased a couple of small ones which were threatened with closure

:24:33. > :24:35.in Scotland. He is flying into London later today to carry on

:24:36. > :24:39.conversations with Tata and with Government ministers. His people say

:24:40. > :24:44.it is encouraging and positive and they think the Government has been

:24:45. > :24:48.proactive. Here is the down side, it is clear to me he is not looking at

:24:49. > :24:52.buying the whole lot. He is interested in buying some of the

:24:53. > :24:57.rolling mills, he is not that interested as far as I can gather in

:24:58. > :25:03.buying the blast furnace at Port Talbot. He has a very big issue with

:25:04. > :25:07.the pension book. In other words taking overall the pension

:25:08. > :25:12.liabilities of Tata and he is looking for fairly significant

:25:13. > :25:15.Government assistance. On the one hand encouraging, on the other hand

:25:16. > :25:19.there are serious reservations. In terms of what sort of support the

:25:20. > :25:25.Government might be able to offer, we got a sense of that yet frommed

:25:26. > :25:31.Business Secretary when he appeared on the Maar programme.

:25:32. > :25:36.They will want to look at plant, they will look at pensions and they

:25:37. > :25:42.will want to look at power supply. It is clear, I mean... We can talk

:25:43. > :25:47.about all of those. You are not going to get too much out of me on

:25:48. > :25:50.those issues because a lot will be commercially sensitive. These are

:25:51. > :25:54.the kind of things, we have thought of and we have started working on

:25:55. > :25:58.and what I hope you will have the offer document from Tata, over lay

:25:59. > :26:02.on top of that, the help the British Government can provide, and then you

:26:03. > :26:07.have the makings of a successful deal.

:26:08. > :26:15.No one wants to show their hand too openly, Tata or the possible buyer

:26:16. > :26:21.or the Government, but it seems to me what could be the key element in

:26:22. > :26:25.any deal is the pensions issue because just talking to Mr Gupta's

:26:26. > :26:29.people, they say the idea any company is going to take over a

:26:30. > :26:34.pension book which involves not just those currently working for Tata,

:26:35. > :26:38.but previous British Steel employees and paying pensions going into the

:26:39. > :26:41.future and you are talking about a total of 140,000 people, you know,

:26:42. > :26:45.almost no company is going to do that. So the question mark is will

:26:46. > :26:48.the Government be able to take over the pension book in the same way as

:26:49. > :26:54.they did with Royal Mail? You remember when Royal Mail was

:26:55. > :26:58.privatised, they took over the ?10 billion pension pot for that, it is

:26:59. > :27:01.ambiguous as to whether the Government will be able to do that

:27:02. > :27:04.under EU state rules and we will have to ask the European Commission

:27:05. > :27:08.later today to find out whether if the Government buys the pension

:27:09. > :27:12.book, in other words says we will pay the pensions, that flouts EU

:27:13. > :27:15.rules because if it does flout EU rules and the Government isn't able

:27:16. > :27:20.to pick up the pension pot, then the prospects of getting a deal, any

:27:21. > :27:23.deal, I think will look pretty remote.

:27:24. > :27:26.With us is Roy Rickhuss, General secretary of Community

:27:27. > :27:30.who is leading talks this afternoon, Tony Burke,

:27:31. > :27:32.Assistant General Secretary of manufacturing for Unite Union

:27:33. > :27:37.who will also be attending the meeting this afternoon

:27:38. > :27:45.Welcome all of you. Right, Roy first of all, do you think the pension

:27:46. > :27:50.liability aspect of this is crucial in terms of finding a potential

:27:51. > :27:53.buyer? Well, clearly, it is and what the report has just highlighted the

:27:54. > :27:57.Government have recognised that, but there are things that can be done

:27:58. > :28:01.and we look to try and explore those discussions. At the moment we have

:28:02. > :28:04.had no official talks around the situation with the pensions, but it

:28:05. > :28:09.is clearly a significant issue for our members. Our members, you know,

:28:10. > :28:14.they value their pension. It is a significant part of their terms of

:28:15. > :28:18.and conditions and it is part of the reasons they work for Taz ta, but we

:28:19. > :28:22.need to have discussions and we are willing to have the discussions when

:28:23. > :28:25.this becomes more official. Tony, what are you picking up in terms of

:28:26. > :28:28.potential buyers? Well, at what are you picking up in terms of

:28:29. > :28:33.moment in time, if you read the papers, there are a lot of potential

:28:34. > :28:37.purchasers, Liberty, all these things are in the papers. The main

:28:38. > :28:41.issue at the moment is, we want the Prime Minister to become directly

:28:42. > :28:47.involved, to get a grip on this situation... The Business Secretary,

:28:48. > :28:51.what he is doing is not enough? I don't believe it is enough. We are

:28:52. > :28:54.demand the Prime Minister gets a grip of the situation and brings

:28:55. > :28:58.everyone together, the industry and the unions to try to sort this out,

:28:59. > :29:03.not just the current situation in regard to what is happening in Tata,

:29:04. > :29:08.but for the future of the UK steel industry and secondly, we need him

:29:09. > :29:12.to lead discussions in the European Union and stopl blocking the tariffs

:29:13. > :29:16.that the EU are prepared to put on Chinese steel in order we get a

:29:17. > :29:20.level playing field. Richard Fuller, your boss needs to take over this

:29:21. > :29:24.from the Business Secretary because according to these gentlemen, Mr Jaf

:29:25. > :29:32.individual isn't doing a good enough job. Would you agree? Since he

:29:33. > :29:36.became Business Secretary, the Government started to get to grip...

:29:37. > :29:42.Sorry, are you actually saying that with a straight face? In the report

:29:43. > :29:45.we did in the Select Committee, we conceived some of the problems go

:29:46. > :29:49.back ten years. The energy costs zblps what has he done about the

:29:50. > :29:53.energy costs or the business rates? He paid back, compensation has been

:29:54. > :29:57.paid to steel manufacturers for the extra environmental levy that's put

:29:58. > :30:01.on businesses which is a particular problem for steel industry. So the

:30:02. > :30:04.money has gone back. We have rewritten, the Government has

:30:05. > :30:10.rewritten the rule on procurement to provide a push for the future so

:30:11. > :30:13.there is benefit to steel manufacturing. These issues have

:30:14. > :30:17.been there for sometime. The refreshing thing is late though it

:30:18. > :30:20.be, those issues are being confronted. The tax issue is

:30:21. > :30:24.interesting because that's a tax that was put on by our Government.

:30:25. > :30:30.It wasn't a tax levied by any other European Government. So basically,

:30:31. > :30:34.we put a tax on our industry which we had to go to Europe to ask if we

:30:35. > :30:36.could pay it back, a crazy situation, but nevertheless Richard

:30:37. > :30:40.is right, the Government made a start on that. If you look at the

:30:41. > :30:45.asks of the industry and we helped to formulate those asks with the UK

:30:46. > :30:47.Steel and it is fair to say the Government made a start, but I

:30:48. > :30:54.wouldn't put it any stronger than saying they have made a start. There

:30:55. > :30:57.is a lot more to be done and the issue about Chinese dumping needs to

:30:58. > :31:04.be address add and we haven't addressed that and it is frustrating

:31:05. > :31:08.for the workforce when you see Prime Ministers go tick, tick, tick we've

:31:09. > :31:12.done this, and we go, you haven't and clearly, you haven't revolved

:31:13. > :31:17.those matters and those matters are ongoing. Those issues need to be

:31:18. > :31:20.resolved, but Tony is right, the most important issue is we secure

:31:21. > :31:26.those plants, we secure the jobs, and we make sure we have got a f

:31:27. > :31:30.future ture for the steel industry for us to be talk youing about, if

:31:31. > :31:35.we haven't got the jobs the other issues are irrelevant.

:31:36. > :31:42.What is the future for the people involved in the steelworks?

:31:43. > :31:46.Pensioners who worked there in the past, people in the local community?

:31:47. > :31:49.I'm from Bedford, economically we are similar in terms of

:31:50. > :31:53.unemployment, income levels, but we don't have a large employer. We in

:31:54. > :31:57.Bedford would know that if we had that employee at correct, they would

:31:58. > :32:00.want the community, not just locally but across the country, to come

:32:01. > :32:05.together to find solutions. No-one will disagree with that, it is just

:32:06. > :32:19.doing it. There are 40,000 workers in the steel industry in the supply

:32:20. > :32:23.chain who are staring down the barrel of a gun at the moment and

:32:24. > :32:26.our priority is to try to stabilise the situation. Let's make it clear,

:32:27. > :32:28.manufacturing in the UK depends on having a vibrant steel industry, and

:32:29. > :32:30.without that, one of our foundation industries, there will be

:32:31. > :32:33.significant numbers of jobs lost in manufacturing. We are already

:32:34. > :32:37.dealing, the UK's biggest manufacturing union, we already

:32:38. > :32:41.dealing with companies who are indicating they want to talk to us

:32:42. > :32:45.about declaring redundancies because of the situation in the steel

:32:46. > :32:48.industry, and what we are saying is that we need immediate help and we

:32:49. > :32:52.need the Prime Minister to step in and we need all the assistance to

:32:53. > :32:56.beget them, go to Europe. The problem is, I understand what

:32:57. > :33:01.Richard is saying, but the reality is this Government has not had

:33:02. > :33:07.industrial or manufacturing strategy from day one. Last week blame was

:33:08. > :33:11.put at Vince Cable's beat, that was unfair. There is no industrial

:33:12. > :33:15.strategy, apart from, it seems to us, we are prepared to do what we

:33:16. > :33:19.can to help the Chinese economy. OK, we have to leave it there, thank you

:33:20. > :33:24.for coming on the programme. This news just in, former X factor

:33:25. > :33:26.judge Tulisa has pleaded guilty at Highbury Magistrates' Court to

:33:27. > :33:29.drink-driving after she crashed her Ferrari.

:33:30. > :33:34.After the daily commute, it's into the cage for more and more

:33:35. > :33:36.white collar workers taking up mixed martial arts.

:33:37. > :33:38.We've followed one recruitment consultant as he prepares

:33:39. > :33:44.Good morning, time for the latest BBC News with Ben.

:33:45. > :33:47.A huge cache of confidential documents has been leaked,

:33:48. > :33:50.revealing how the rich and powerful use tax havens to hide their wealth.

:33:51. > :33:56.They come from one of the world's most secretive companies,

:33:57. > :34:03.a law firm called Mossack Fonseca based in Panama.

:34:04. > :34:08.In comments broadcast on Panamanian television, one of the co-founders

:34:09. > :34:14.of the firm confirmed that the company had been hacked.

:34:15. > :34:18.TRANSLATION: We are a company with almost 40 years in the national and

:34:19. > :34:23.international market and we have never been found guilty of

:34:24. > :34:28.absolutely anything. Yes, we have been hacked in a limited way, it is

:34:29. > :34:35.so. We have already repaired the damage, but we have been hacked in a

:34:36. > :34:38.limited way. All those names that show up there, including the

:34:39. > :34:43.football players, including the Mafia types, all of those are not

:34:44. > :34:49.our clients, they are clients of intermediaries that bought one of

:34:50. > :34:53.our related companies, soldered, and those people used it for who knows

:34:54. > :34:57.what. The Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond

:34:58. > :35:00.has welcomed the leaked revelations. It is interesting when information

:35:01. > :35:06.like this league is because it reminds people who are up to no good

:35:07. > :35:12.how fragile and how former rebel they make themselves by indulging in

:35:13. > :35:14.this kind of activity. -- how vulnerable. We have an

:35:15. > :35:18.anti-corruption Summit here in May, it is a key agenda for the Prime

:35:19. > :35:22.Minister, we are working with many countries around the world,

:35:23. > :35:25.including Panama, I had a meeting with the Panamanian vice president a

:35:26. > :35:29.few weeks ago on this issue, we are making significant progress.

:35:30. > :35:32.In the last hour, a second boat of migrants who are being returned

:35:33. > :35:35.from Greece to Turkey under an EU deal have docked in the Turkish

:35:36. > :35:38.It's thought the vast majority were from Pakistan and had

:35:39. > :35:42.As part of the deal, more than a dozen Syrian migrants

:35:43. > :35:46.have been flown to Germany this morning.

:35:47. > :35:48.A murder investigation has been launched after a 17-year-old boy

:35:49. > :35:50.was stabbed to death in south-east London.

:35:51. > :35:55.Two teenagers, aged 15 and 16, have been arrested.

:35:56. > :35:57.Officers were called to reports of an altercation between youths

:35:58. > :35:59.in Lewisham, at around 8pm on Sunday evening.

:36:00. > :36:11.There are calls for doping in sport to be made a criminal offence.

:36:12. > :36:13.Lord Moynihan, the former chairman of the British Olympic Association,

:36:14. > :36:16.has started a petition calling for a change in the law.

:36:17. > :36:18.It follows allegations in the Sunday Times of performance

:36:19. > :36:20.enhancing drugs being taken in a range of sports,

:36:21. > :36:26.including boxing, football and cricket.

:36:27. > :36:33.Those who take a cocktail of drugs over a lengthy period of time get

:36:34. > :36:36.those drugs to enhance performance, to defraud a clean athlete, to

:36:37. > :36:41.devastate the lives of a clean athlete, should face the law.

:36:42. > :36:44.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom

:36:45. > :36:50.Here's the sport headlines now with Hugh.

:36:51. > :36:56.Most newspapers carrying pictures of a devastated Ben Stokes, Captain

:36:57. > :36:59.Eoin Morgan saying he will give him time to hurt after the final over

:37:00. > :37:01.which saw the West Indies that a thrilling win in the world Twenty20

:37:02. > :37:04.final. Morgan has backed Stokes to come

:37:05. > :37:06.back 'stronger for the experience.' A fourth 1-0 win in a row

:37:07. > :37:11.for Leicester has put them seven points clear at the top

:37:12. > :37:20.of the Premier League with six

:37:21. > :37:21.games to go. They beat Southampton thanks

:37:22. > :37:24.to a goal from Captain Wes Morgan. Louis Van Gaal admitted

:37:25. > :37:26.Manchester United were lucky to beat Everton 1-0 thanks to

:37:27. > :37:28.Anthony Martial's winner. His side are now a point behind

:37:29. > :37:30.4th-placed Manchester City. Lewis Hamilton could only manage

:37:31. > :37:32.third having started from pole as his Mercedes teammate

:37:33. > :37:35.Nico Rosberg made it two wins from two this season

:37:36. > :37:40.at the Bahrain Grand Prix. That is it for now, I will have all

:37:41. > :37:46.the sport throughout the day on BBC News.

:37:47. > :37:50.Junior doctors in England have begun new legal proceedings against the

:37:51. > :37:53.Government over their decision to impose that new employment contract

:37:54. > :37:59.on them. Our health editor Hugh Pym is here. Why have they done this?

:38:00. > :38:03.It is interesting that these junior doctors in England, the dispute is

:38:04. > :38:08.England only, have raised money through a crowdfunding campaign,

:38:09. > :38:12.?100,000, or a little bit more, to begin legal action. Now they have

:38:13. > :38:15.got a firm of lawyers who say they think there is a case that could go

:38:16. > :38:18.all the way to the High Court for judicial review. It has not quite

:38:19. > :38:24.got they get, they are writing to the Department for health looking at

:38:25. > :38:27.claims and allegations this contract was not lawfully imposed, no

:38:28. > :38:30.consultation, the Secretary of State did not have the power to do that,

:38:31. > :38:33.so they are awaiting the Government's response but pending

:38:34. > :38:37.that they will proceed. We have not yet got the view from the Department

:38:38. > :38:41.of Health on this. There is also another action being launched by the

:38:42. > :38:45.British -- British Medical Association, the doctors' union,

:38:46. > :38:49.challenging the equalities impact of this new contract which is being

:38:50. > :38:53.imposed after months of negotiations between the Government and the BMA

:38:54. > :38:57.which got nowhere. This week there is another strike by junior doctors

:38:58. > :39:01.in England, a 48-hour strike affecting routine non-urgent care,

:39:02. > :39:06.again at the end of April a planned all out strike, doctors walking out

:39:07. > :39:08.of all forms of care which has never before happened in the history of

:39:09. > :39:12.the NHS. Thank you very much.

:39:13. > :39:17.The first migrants to be returned from Greece to Turkey under the

:39:18. > :39:21.controversial EU deal have arrived in the Turkish port of Dikili.

:39:22. > :39:23.Wenzel Michalski is from the organisation Human Rights Watch

:39:24. > :39:26.and has been following the latest developments in Lesbos.

:39:27. > :39:37.How has it been going so far? They returned people who apparently were

:39:38. > :39:43.not asylum seekers, economic migrants, so the perfect pick, the

:39:44. > :39:46.perfect show for the media, but what we have to do is monitor the

:39:47. > :39:51.situation, what will happen in a couple of days when all the cameras

:39:52. > :39:57.are gone, when they are starting to deport children, women, families,

:39:58. > :40:01.which is highly illegal. Is this going to work, this deal, from your

:40:02. > :40:06.point of view? It doesn't work at all, already it doesn't work because

:40:07. > :40:12.the former hotspots in Greece, which were meant to be reception and

:40:13. > :40:16.asylum processing centres, are turned into detention camps, people

:40:17. > :40:20.are detained, but they are not criminals, they should not be

:40:21. > :40:24.detained, they are just asylum seekers, refugees, migrants, and

:40:25. > :40:27.they should be able to walk free. So what will happen, if it is not

:40:28. > :40:35.working, what do you say is likely to happen? We hope the European

:40:36. > :40:41.Court of Human Rights will find a solution. It is against the

:40:42. > :40:46.constitution of certain member states, it is against the Jeep --

:40:47. > :40:49.the Geneva Convention is, a group of lawyers is already filing

:40:50. > :40:53.complaints, so I think we do anything, is human organisations

:40:54. > :41:05.will do anything to cancel this deal. How can you can select? You

:41:06. > :41:09.have to stop it. How? Just don't do what you do, because it is illegal.

:41:10. > :41:13.Anybody doing something illegal is to stop what they are doing. You

:41:14. > :41:17.cannot park your car in a zone where you are not allowed, you cannot

:41:18. > :41:21.steal people's money, so what the European Union is now doing, and it

:41:22. > :41:25.is aware of it, it is just political will, they are doing something

:41:26. > :41:31.illegal, and it has to stop. Thank you very much for your time.

:41:32. > :41:38.When you think of mixed martial arts or cage fighting,

:41:39. > :41:41.you don't immediately think of a man in a business suit taking part.

:41:42. > :41:43.But the amateur scene is quickly growing in popularity

:41:44. > :41:47.There are more MMA gyms in the UK than ever before

:41:48. > :41:49.and more boxing rings are being replaced with a cage.

:41:50. > :41:51.MMA combines techniques from different martial arts

:41:52. > :41:54.Fighters are split into different weight categories and rounds

:41:55. > :41:58.Critics have labelled it "human cockfighting".

:41:59. > :42:03.Our reporter Benjamin Zand followed a recruitment consultant,

:42:04. > :42:05.as he entered the cage for the first time.

:42:06. > :42:07.His film, which lasts around 15 minutes, contains some

:42:08. > :42:19.Why else would you do it if you don't like hurting people?

:42:20. > :42:32.It is exciting, you don't know what is going to happen.

:42:33. > :43:07.OK, by this point you probably know what MMA is.

:43:08. > :43:12.With the UFC it has gone huge around the world,

:43:13. > :43:20.There was a fight a few weeks ago, involving Conor McGregor

:43:21. > :43:23.and Nate Diaz, that was viewed by millions of people.

:43:24. > :43:26.Here in the UK, gyms are popping up up and down the country.

:43:27. > :43:28.And normal people who have normal jobs are taking part

:43:29. > :43:31.And in what is quite a hard-core thing.

:43:32. > :43:34.So I'm here to speak to a man called Ricky,

:43:35. > :43:37.who is fighting for the first time tonight, to figure out why,

:43:38. > :43:45.So he spends his days helping people find jobs.

:43:46. > :43:48.But, if his fighting career works out, he could soon be moving

:43:49. > :43:51.on to help people find their teeth after he has knocked them out

:43:52. > :43:52.in the octagon, MMA's fighting stage.

:43:53. > :43:54.How you feeling as you are entering the building?

:43:55. > :44:05.In case you do not know what MMA is, it means mixed martial arts.

:44:06. > :44:08.And it is a full-contact sport where you can fight standing up

:44:09. > :44:14.To do this, you can use a variety of combat techniques.

:44:15. > :44:16.This means, unlike in things like boxing, karate or jujitsu,

:44:17. > :44:19.where you can only use one fighting style, you can pretty much use

:44:20. > :44:25.anything you like against your opponent.

:44:26. > :44:28.You do fight in a cage, but it is not bare-knuckle fighting

:44:29. > :44:32.It has a strict set of rules monitored by the international MMA

:44:33. > :44:35.And things are banned, like kicking a downed opponent.

:44:36. > :44:37.It is a multi-million dollar industry and the UFC,

:44:38. > :44:40.or ultimate fighting championship, is the premier organisation in MMA.

:44:41. > :44:53.It's the biggest pay-per-view event provider in the world,

:44:54. > :44:57.And in 2014, it had revenues of $522 million.

:44:58. > :45:02.WC MMA, where I am heading today, is another smaller one in London.

:45:03. > :45:07.You are the only guy who knows, I suppose, because you know both.

:45:08. > :45:09.If I could, I would be a rich man, wouldn't I?

:45:10. > :45:11.If I knew the outcome of every fight.

:45:12. > :45:18.And every fight is the same, I can't wait to get in there

:45:19. > :45:20.and smash his head in, I am going to do this,

:45:21. > :45:24.Everybody gets in and thinks they are going to win.

:45:25. > :45:27.There ain't no one stepping in there thinking they are going to lose.

:45:28. > :45:29.You've got to believe, you've got to win.

:45:30. > :45:31.Without anything else, just stepping into the cage,

:45:32. > :45:34.is one of the hardest things that anybody is going to do.

:45:35. > :45:36.The walk down from here to that cage...

:45:37. > :45:41.After the first time, it is a piece of BLEEP.

:45:42. > :45:45.You let your mates down you are letting your friends down,

:45:46. > :45:47.you are letting your mum down, letting your kids down.

:45:48. > :45:52.Ricky is going to be fighting in six hours.

:45:53. > :45:55.He has got quite a long way, he is fighting at 11pm,

:45:56. > :46:01.He is fighting a guy, I suppose like the K-1 champion,

:46:02. > :46:13.Which, if that was me, and I have never fought before,

:46:14. > :46:15.that would be terrifying, but he does not seem

:46:16. > :46:22.There you go, first time, this is you.

:46:23. > :46:33.I don't think I will until the fight.

:46:34. > :46:41.Before your flight, do you want me and you to do

:46:42. > :46:51.You could spend the whole fight running to each of the corners.

:46:52. > :46:57.That is your nickname. That is not the best nickname.

:46:58. > :47:06.They say on one hand I bake, I cook, and I read novels,

:47:07. > :47:10.and I write, and on the next hand I play rugby and I fight and I fight

:47:11. > :47:46.Come and sort out your tickets, make sure you know where you are going,

:47:47. > :47:49.they will tell you what time and where the medical staff are.

:47:50. > :47:55.He has got to do the waiting game and that is the hardest part,

:47:56. > :48:00.If I were to imagine a promoter for MMA, I feel like you are exactly

:48:01. > :48:03.You are a bit scary. A very nice guy.

:48:04. > :48:08.Do you think there is more interest now than there was before?

:48:09. > :48:11.There are more gyms now in the UK now than ever before.

:48:12. > :48:15.If you look at every gym, they will have a cage.

:48:16. > :48:18.It used to be a ring, but now it is a cage,

:48:19. > :48:20.because everyone is getting into MMA.

:48:21. > :48:25.We are ten years from having, I am not saying no martial arts

:48:26. > :48:28.apart from mixed martial arts, but it will not be that far away.

:48:29. > :48:31.Who is the type of guy who comes to fight?

:48:32. > :48:34.Is it what people would imagine, this kind of guy on the fringes

:48:35. > :48:37.of society who sits at home punching the walls when he is angry?

:48:38. > :48:41.I think you have to go around and ask a lot of guys today what job

:48:42. > :48:43.you do, and some of them are so mild-mannered.

:48:44. > :48:45.I'm an accountant, I'm a doctor. I'm a policeman.

:48:46. > :48:47.I had a guy, he became heavyweight champion,

:48:48. > :48:50.he was earning 150 grand a year, and he gave it all up

:48:51. > :49:01.I suppose for a lot of people it is a little bit scary.

:49:02. > :49:03.These guys, big guys, throwing jabs at each other's faces,

:49:04. > :49:07.Do you understand why people are a little bit afraid

:49:08. > :49:10.I don't think it has a bad reputation.

:49:11. > :49:11.Sometimes people don't understand it.

:49:12. > :49:14.You speak to women about boxing, it is the same, you either love it

:49:15. > :49:18.You have got to remember one thing. Everybody understands fighting.

:49:19. > :49:21.You do not have to have English, speak any language, two men get

:49:22. > :49:29.So have you lost like that much weight for this?

:49:30. > :49:54.I reckon you need to get some of those professional photos done.

:49:55. > :49:59.What is the main reason for doing it?

:50:00. > :50:02.A solid reason for why you are doing this.

:50:03. > :50:05.The main reason is because I think I used to get beaten up a lot

:50:06. > :50:11.When I got older, it made me a bit of a weakling,

:50:12. > :50:20.If anything makes me feel fear, I sort of train myself to run at it.

:50:21. > :50:23.My dad one day was like, he was like, just go crazy.

:50:24. > :50:27.In my childhood I was a bit of a recluse, a bit of a geek,

:50:28. > :50:35.I used fighting and hitting people and hurting people as a way

:50:36. > :50:37.of gaining people's respect, I think.

:50:38. > :50:42.I think I get a lot of my friends like that.

:50:43. > :50:51.I suppose my whole identity. Like who I think I am.

:50:52. > :50:54.So who I think I am is someone who is hard, but...

:50:55. > :50:56.You said your friends said you were the hard guy.

:50:57. > :51:01.I think I'm hard but I don't know if I am.

:51:02. > :51:14.Can you usually tell, someone comes in and you are like,

:51:15. > :51:19.he is probably going to lose, he is probably going to win?

:51:20. > :51:48.Has he got like a black belt in killing people?

:51:49. > :51:51.Hey, Dave, can you tell me how it is going?

:51:52. > :51:55.Doing my nut in already, let me tell you.

:51:56. > :51:58.But it is going to get better, it is going to get more lively.

:51:59. > :52:09.As the event started the fights came in thick and fast.

:52:10. > :52:20.I am making a film the BBC about the rise...

:52:21. > :52:23.I didn't want a picture, but I will take a picture

:52:24. > :52:29.What will winning feel like if you win?

:52:30. > :52:31.It will feel like the opposite of losing.

:52:32. > :52:46.That is true, but what will it do for you like mentally?

:52:47. > :52:50.It will feel good for a few days. I can walk into the office...

:52:51. > :52:54.You like the acknowledgement from people, your peers,

:52:55. > :52:56.that you do something well, like recognition.

:52:57. > :52:58.And you like hurting people, don't you?

:52:59. > :53:00.Whereas when you do it, if you don't like hurting people,...

:53:01. > :53:04.That is the main reason why? Why do you think that is?

:53:05. > :53:09.I don't know, if I am on top of someone, punching

:53:10. > :53:11.someone in the face, like, it's a good

:53:12. > :53:15.I don't think many fighters would admit they like hurting people.

:53:16. > :53:20.Get on top of him and smash him to the floor, I much prefer that.

:53:21. > :53:23.Some people would be like, a bit, concerned to hear that.

:53:24. > :53:35.As Ricky continued to prepare for his fight I went on the search

:53:36. > :54:02.I don't know if this is going to end well.

:54:03. > :54:04.In gladiator fashion, the fighters were quickly back

:54:05. > :54:07.and one by one to centre stage to fight their opponents.

:54:08. > :54:09.And in the fighters' room, the tension started

:54:10. > :54:13.This is one fight room and there is another fight run over

:54:14. > :54:19.A lot of them are fighting for the first time.

:54:20. > :54:23.You are about to go to war with another man in front

:54:24. > :54:31.I would be scared, as well. Hopefully, he will do well.

:54:32. > :54:40.Although he would not admit it to me, he was nervous.

:54:41. > :55:44.But what's he going to do with it now?

:55:45. > :56:32.After it all finished, I got a few words out of him.

:56:33. > :56:40.You are talking about that kind of adulation.

:56:41. > :56:42.Looking at and seeing my friends, like, BLEEP.

:56:43. > :56:46.Their faces. It is exactly what I wanted.

:56:47. > :56:54.Win or lose, I will have done it again.

:56:55. > :56:56.Next time, I will train and not drink.

:56:57. > :57:05.He got to go home as the hard man and I go knowing more about why

:57:06. > :57:10.I dedicate this one to my goddaughter, Thea, yeah, man.

:57:11. > :57:16.You knocked a guy out for your goddaughter.

:57:17. > :57:20.For someone like Ricky, who spends their days in the office,

:57:21. > :57:23.it is a thrill that cannot be found anywhere else.

:57:24. > :57:25.A real challenge in our otherwise tranquil worlds.

:57:26. > :57:28.And it is a lot safer and more organised than many would assume.

:57:29. > :57:31.Whether Ricky will be giving up his day job to become

:57:32. > :57:33.a professional fighter has yet to be seen.

:57:34. > :57:41.But one thing that is certain is that MMA is only getting more

:57:42. > :57:44.popular, and, for most, it means a lot more than just

:57:45. > :57:50.punching another person in the face.

:57:51. > :57:58.Danny was watching that. He is in North Wales. Hi Danny. What about

:57:59. > :58:01.you? What's the attraction? Well, there is the good and healthy

:58:02. > :58:07.lifestyle it leads for me. That's the attraction for me generally. OK,

:58:08. > :58:12.I don't know if you heard Ricky. He liked hurting someone. That's

:58:13. > :58:16.ridiculous. I don't know. I don't agree with that statement one bit.

:58:17. > :58:19.You could have a fit and healthy lifestyle, you know, you could run,

:58:20. > :58:25.you could just work out in the gym. You don't have to go into a cage and

:58:26. > :58:29.get involved in mix the martial arts, do you? I have done that

:58:30. > :58:35.before and I still do it. It is part of the training routine the fight. I

:58:36. > :58:41.follow more and more training routines now with the mixed martial

:58:42. > :58:46.arts. Thanks for coming on the programme. Nice to talk to you.

:58:47. > :58:49.Thanks for your company today. Joanna is here tomorrow. Have a good