05/04/2016

:00:16. > :00:18.Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9am, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria -

:00:19. > :00:21.Our top story today - the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

:00:22. > :00:25.is calling for the UK to take action against the use of British overseas

:00:26. > :00:26.territories and dependencies as tax havens.

:00:27. > :00:28.We'll bring you the latest revelations from the leak

:00:29. > :00:30.of millions of documents from a Panamanian law firm

:00:31. > :00:33.which reveals the rich and powerful globally hiding their wealth

:00:34. > :00:38.Also on the programme - do bookies do enough to stop people

:00:39. > :00:42.New rules come into force tomorrow - but will they make a difference?

:00:43. > :00:44.We'll talk to those affected, including one man

:00:45. > :00:49.who was spending ?1000 a week on betting shops.

:00:50. > :00:56.And, we put the London Mayoral hopefuls through their paces

:00:57. > :01:00.This morning, it's the turn of the Conservative

:01:01. > :01:03.Does his Knowledge stand up to the test?

:01:04. > :01:13.Who was the first landlord at the Queen Vic? Dirty Den! Is that right?

:01:14. > :01:20.There we go! Where is the Museum of London? The Museum of London is

:01:21. > :01:22.the... Where is the Museum of London? I went there are very, very

:01:23. > :01:35.recently. Hello, welcome to the programme,

:01:36. > :01:37.we're live every Throughout the morning we'll bring

:01:38. > :01:41.you the latest breaking news We'll also bring you the story

:01:42. > :01:44.of a 21-year-old woman from Northern Ireland who has been

:01:45. > :01:47.given a three-month suspended sentence for taking an abortion

:01:48. > :01:49.pill she bought online. It's thought to be

:01:50. > :01:51.the first case of its kind. Abortion is illegal

:01:52. > :01:53.in Northern Ireland and the woman, who was 19 at the time,

:01:54. > :01:57.says she couldn't afford to travel Amnesty International say it's

:01:58. > :02:04.appalled by the sentence, but anti-abortion groups say

:02:05. > :02:06.it's too lenient. Do get in touch on all the stories

:02:07. > :02:10.we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

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:02:15. > :02:17.a story you think we should be Some of our best stories come

:02:18. > :02:21.from you, our viewers. Our top story today: David Cameron

:02:22. > :02:26.is coming under pressure to do more to stop overseas territories

:02:27. > :02:28.and Crown dependencies being used by wealthy people trying

:02:29. > :02:32.to reduce their tax bills. It's after the leak of millions

:02:33. > :02:35.of documents from a Panamanian law firm has revealed the extent

:02:36. > :02:39.of the practice globally. In a speech later today,

:02:40. > :02:48.the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, will say the Government needs

:02:49. > :02:50.to stop "pussyfooting around" on tax dodging and that there can't be "one

:02:51. > :02:54.set of rules for the wealthy elite The Caribbean hideaway that became

:02:55. > :02:59.a haven for sanctions dodgers and this is the law

:03:00. > :03:01.firm that helped them. People like Rami Makhlouf,

:03:02. > :03:03.Syria's richest businessman His mobile phone network became

:03:04. > :03:10.became a focus for protesters' Sanctioned by the US in 2008

:03:11. > :03:19.for corruption and intimidation, Mossack Fonseca had six companies

:03:20. > :03:21.with Makhlouf but carried It was not just Mossack Fonseca,

:03:22. > :03:29.in the British Virgin Islands who was helping Rami Makhlouf,

:03:30. > :03:33.he was also a client of HSBC bank And we've obtained

:03:34. > :03:44.internal documents showing the discussions that took place once

:03:45. > :03:47.it was discovered that he had been In February 2011, Mossack Fonseca's

:03:48. > :03:51.head of compliance sent this e-mail It prompted this

:03:52. > :04:09.reply from Chris Zollinger, one of Mossack Fonseca's

:04:10. > :04:24.partners: HSBC said they work closely

:04:25. > :04:26.with the authorities to fight crime Mossack Fonseca said they have never

:04:27. > :04:37.knowingly allowed the use of their companies

:04:38. > :04:39.by individuals having any relationship with

:04:40. > :04:42.North Korea, Syria or Iran, and they have

:04:43. > :04:44.their own procedures in place to identify

:04:45. > :04:46.individuals to the But with 11 million

:04:47. > :04:50.leaked documents, there are more revelations to come

:04:51. > :04:53.and further questions about the secrecy

:04:54. > :05:01.of offshore finance. In Iceland, thousands of people

:05:02. > :05:04.gathered outside parliament demanding the prime minister step

:05:05. > :05:07.down over allegations he concealed Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson

:05:08. > :05:17.earlier refused to resign, saying no rules were broken and his

:05:18. > :05:26.wife did not benefit financially. We will be talking more about this

:05:27. > :05:28.in the programme, speaking to the former Attorney General Dominic

:05:29. > :05:31.Grieve on his thoughts about whether there is one rule for the wealthy

:05:32. > :05:35.elite and another for the rest of us. First, let's catch up with the

:05:36. > :05:38.rest of the day's news. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

:05:39. > :05:45.Newsroom with a summary. The boss of the Liberty Steel Group

:05:46. > :05:48.says he believes that the loss-making Port Talbot steel

:05:49. > :05:50.plant in south Wales Sanjeev Gupta was speaking this

:05:51. > :05:53.morning ahead of a meeting with David Cameron and

:05:54. > :05:55.other senior ministers on the future of the UK steel plants

:05:56. > :06:04.put up for sale last week Wales' First Minister Carwyn Jones

:06:05. > :06:05.is also saying that the option of taking the plunge into public

:06:06. > :06:08.ownership should remain open. Our correspondent,

:06:09. > :06:10.Andy Moore, has this report. Last week, he went to Port Talbot

:06:11. > :06:13.to tell workers he would do Later today, the Business Secretary

:06:14. > :06:18.will fly to Mumbai to meet Tata executives to discuss

:06:19. > :06:20.their timetable for the sale It's a meeting many steelworkers say

:06:21. > :06:23.should have happened some time ago. Last night, Mr Javid's deputy

:06:24. > :06:28.was feeling optimistic. A long way to go yet,

:06:29. > :06:32.but we are making good progress. Could this man be the saviour

:06:33. > :06:35.of the British steel industry? One Indian company wants

:06:36. > :06:39.to offload the company - it could be another Indian-born

:06:40. > :06:41.tycoon, Sanjeev Gupta, But he would want to run a very

:06:42. > :06:48.different type of business. The old blast furnace would be

:06:49. > :06:51.closed down and replaced Our idea is that we will look

:06:52. > :06:57.to transition from blast furnaces to arc furnaces, from imported raw

:06:58. > :07:01.material to domestically-available scrap, and from making carbon steel

:07:02. > :07:04.to what we call green steel, melting recycling scrap

:07:05. > :07:10.using renewable energy. His company Liberty has already

:07:11. > :07:12.saved this steelworks in Newport. If he were to take over

:07:13. > :07:15.Tata's other operation, he would hope to keep

:07:16. > :07:19.most of the workforce. There will be a series

:07:20. > :07:21.of meetings today involving the British Government,

:07:22. > :07:29.Welsh Government and the unions. Everyone is hoping a deal can

:07:30. > :07:33.be done to save jobs. New regulations come into force this

:07:34. > :07:37.week to target problem gambling. The clampdown in England,

:07:38. > :07:39.Wales and Scotland will force every bookmaker near schools,

:07:40. > :07:51.hostels for homeless people or other communities seen as high-risk

:07:52. > :07:54.to carry out a risk assessment showing they've thought

:07:55. > :07:56.about what they can do And we'll be speaking to people

:07:57. > :07:59.personally affected by gambling on the programme in

:08:00. > :08:01.the next few minutes. GP practices are struggling to offer

:08:02. > :08:04.enough appointments to meet patient demand, doctors'

:08:05. > :08:05.leaders have warned. Surgeries are increasingly relying

:08:06. > :08:07.on support from locum doctors but a poll for the British Medical

:08:08. > :08:10.Association suggests that just under half frequently have

:08:11. > :08:12.trouble finding cover. The Government says that it's

:08:13. > :08:15.provided more money to recruit extra GPs which is already

:08:16. > :08:28.having an effect. Fewer parents than expected

:08:29. > :08:30.are choosing to take shared parental leave after the birth

:08:31. > :08:33.or adoption of a child. According to the My Family Care

:08:34. > :08:38.study, half of fathers chose not to take leave because they were

:08:39. > :08:40.worried about career progression, but the former Culture Secretary

:08:41. > :08:46.Maria Miller has told this programme that the Government needs to reform

:08:47. > :08:49.parental leave more quickly or risk skilled women

:08:50. > :08:51.missing out on top jobs. We'll be hearing from Maria Miller

:08:52. > :08:56.and parents who have all shared their parental

:08:57. > :08:58.leave at 10.30am here on the Victoria

:08:59. > :08:59.Derbyshire programme. An aeroplane wing burst into flames

:09:00. > :09:02.after two aircraft collided at an airport in the

:09:03. > :09:06.Indonesian capital Jakarta. The Batik Air passenger plane

:09:07. > :09:09.was taking off when its wing clipped the tail of a TransNusa

:09:10. > :09:12.aircraft being towed No-one was injured and all

:09:13. > :09:22.passengers were evacuated. Indonesia has a poor air safety

:09:23. > :09:25.record amid a boom in air travel, particularly

:09:26. > :09:30.with budget carriers. The former Prime Minister

:09:31. > :09:33.of New Zealand, Helen Clark, has confirmed she will stand

:09:34. > :09:36.in the election to become the next UN Secretary General,

:09:37. > :09:37.when Ban Ki-Moon steps The 66-year-old currently heads

:09:38. > :09:40.the United Nations Development If she wins, she would become

:09:41. > :09:45.the first woman to lead the UN. The Conservative candidate

:09:46. > :09:47.for London Mayor, Zac Goldsmith, has told this programme

:09:48. > :09:49.that his Labour opponent, Sadiq Khan is 'fundamentally

:09:50. > :09:51.unprincipled' and a naked Goldsmith accused Khan

:09:52. > :09:56.of changing his stance on issues for his own political gain,

:09:57. > :09:59.and says he can't think of another politician in this country who's

:10:00. > :10:01.engaged in more flip-flopping The two men are the frontrunners

:10:02. > :10:05.in the race to succeed Boris Johnson He was giving an interview in a cab

:10:06. > :10:21.to the BBC's assistant political The reality is that Saadi Khan is an

:10:22. > :10:24.architect, a principal architect of one of the most radical things that

:10:25. > :10:28.has happened to British politics in my life can certainly, but further

:10:29. > :10:32.than that. He nominated Jeremy Corbyn, which was a huge experiment

:10:33. > :10:37.with the Labour Party. He has said over and over again that he would do

:10:38. > :10:39.so again, despite the impact it has had on the party, and his personal

:10:40. > :10:42.approach to politics is divisive. And you can watch that

:10:43. > :10:45.full interview here on the Victoria Derbyshire programme

:10:46. > :10:50.just after 9.30am this morning. Motorists are being warned

:10:51. > :10:53.that the period of lower fuel The cost of oil has reached 40

:10:54. > :10:57.dollars a barrel for the first A report by the RAC found that

:10:58. > :11:03.unleaded petrol was now selling for 105 pence a litre,

:11:04. > :11:09.adding ?1.84 to the cost of filling A military dog will be

:11:10. > :11:15.awarded the Dickin Medal The award for bravery is considered

:11:16. > :11:25.the animal's Victoria During six years of service,

:11:26. > :11:29.12-year-old Lucca lead around 400 patrols in Iraq and Afghanistan,

:11:30. > :11:30.protecting thousands On her final mission,

:11:31. > :11:35.the sniffer dog lost her front leg after stepping on an

:11:36. > :11:36.explosive device. Now retired, she lives in California

:11:37. > :11:41.and has been flown over to collect There will not be a dry eye in the

:11:42. > :11:47.house! That's a summary of

:11:48. > :11:49.the latest BBC News - We always love a story about a hero

:11:50. > :11:54.pet! A little later in the programme

:11:55. > :12:03.we'll bring you an extended interview with all four members

:12:04. > :12:05.of the Rolling Stones, who've been going now

:12:06. > :12:07.for an impressive 54 years Stay tuned for that,

:12:08. > :12:12.and do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:12:13. > :12:14.use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. If you text, you will be charged

:12:15. > :12:17.at the standard network rate. Here's some sport now with Jessica

:12:18. > :12:20.who has news of an encouraging 24 Making progress, tell us how he is

:12:21. > :12:27.getting on? Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken

:12:28. > :12:30.from his induced coma. He suffered a bleed on his skull

:12:31. > :12:33.following his British title fight with Chris Eubank Junior

:12:34. > :12:35.just over a week ago. Blackwell's promoter

:12:36. > :12:37.Hennessey Sports says he was talking to family and friends

:12:38. > :12:40.as his bedside this weekend. Now Eubank Junior is

:12:41. > :12:48.keen to visit him. I have just got the news that Nick

:12:49. > :12:54.Blackwell has finally woken out of his coma after about nine days.

:12:55. > :12:57.Very, very happy to hear this. A message to you, Nick, I would love

:12:58. > :13:01.to come down to the hospital to see you if that is possible, if that is

:13:02. > :13:02.called with you and your family. I have got something for you, so let

:13:03. > :13:06.me know, man. He's been described as a task master

:13:07. > :13:12.and a drill sergeant. Reknowned disciplinarian

:13:13. > :13:14.Antonio Conte is the new head He'll start in the summer

:13:15. > :13:18.after leading his national side As boss of Italian club Juventus,

:13:19. > :13:25.Conte won the Serie A league title England's Joe Marler has insisted

:13:26. > :13:30.he is not a racist ahead of his World Rugby disciplinary

:13:31. > :13:32.hearing this afternoon, for calling the Wales player

:13:33. > :13:34.Samson Lee "Gypsy boy". Marler made the comment

:13:35. > :13:36.during England's Six Nations game Marler has issued a statement

:13:37. > :13:39.saying he would accept What I said to Samson

:13:40. > :13:48.was out of order and wrong, Details of an independent inquiry

:13:49. > :13:52.into UK Anti-Doping are expected It's in response to allegations

:13:53. > :13:54.a doctor prescribed performance-enhancing

:13:55. > :13:56.drugs to 150 athletes. Kenya, meanwhile, could move

:13:57. > :13:58.closer to a possible ban The country had a deadline

:13:59. > :14:01.to improve its anti-doping procedures and demonstrate

:14:02. > :14:04.that they are tackling cheating in sport, but the World Anti-Doping

:14:05. > :14:07.Agency is expected to find them Heather Watson is out

:14:08. > :14:14.of the Katowice Open in Poland. The British number two has came

:14:15. > :14:17.from a set down to take it to a decisive third,

:14:18. > :14:20.but was beaten in that 6-4 by Kristyna Pliskova

:14:21. > :14:34.from the Czech Republic. The Masters in Augusta gets

:14:35. > :14:35.underway on Thursday, and Rory McIlory looks to be warming

:14:36. > :14:40.up for the tournament in some style after landing a hole-in-one

:14:41. > :14:43.at a practice round. Now, unfortunately cameras only

:14:44. > :14:46.picked up McIlroy actually picking the ball up from the 16th hole,

:14:47. > :14:49.so you'll have to take our The world number three, though,

:14:50. > :15:02.made one lucky fan's day when he signed

:15:03. > :15:04.the ball and gave it What a shame we did not get the

:15:05. > :15:09.pictures! There's a bookie or casino on pretty

:15:10. > :15:12.much every high street - but is enough being done

:15:13. > :15:14.to stop people from getting New regulations come into force

:15:15. > :15:17.tomorrow in England, Wales and Scotland forcing every

:15:18. > :15:19.bookmaker near schools, hostels for homeless people or other

:15:20. > :15:23.communities seen as high-risk to carry out a risk assessment

:15:24. > :15:25.showing they've thought about what they can do

:15:26. > :17:13.to stop problem gambling. So does this new regulation

:17:14. > :17:15.go far enough? Is high street gambling the problem

:17:16. > :17:18.or should the Government be looking Should there be more support

:17:19. > :17:22.for people with gambling addictions Here to talk about all this

:17:23. > :17:28.and more are Steven Nyandu, who was addicted to fixed

:17:29. > :17:31.odds betting terminals, machines where you can gamble up

:17:32. > :17:33.to ?100 every 20 seconds, He was losing up to ?1,000 a week

:17:34. > :17:38.when his gambling problem was at its worst, but he has now

:17:39. > :17:42.been in recovery for 18 months and is working to help other people

:17:43. > :17:47.beat their gambling addictions. James Brazier was addicted

:17:48. > :17:50.to gambling and sadly took his own life in August

:17:51. > :17:56.last year aged just 25. His mum, Kasey Brazier,

:17:57. > :17:58.is here with us this morning. Kasey thinks there should be easier

:17:59. > :18:01.access to treatment and more focus on supporting the families of people

:18:02. > :18:03.with gambling addictions. Frankie Graham is founder of problem

:18:04. > :18:05.gambling support service, Frankie himself has a history

:18:06. > :18:16.of gambling addiction At his worst, he was spending around

:18:17. > :18:20.70% of his wages on gambling. He doesn't think these

:18:21. > :18:22.rules go far enough. Malcolm George is the Chief

:18:23. > :18:24.Executive of the Association And Kerry Simpkins is licensing team

:18:25. > :18:29.manager at Westminster City Council. They've already brought in a scheme

:18:30. > :18:32.looking at where bookies and other places to gamble are in relation

:18:33. > :18:44.to their most "at risk" communities, Thank you very much for joining us.

:18:45. > :18:48.Stephen first of all, you were addicted to fixed odds betting

:18:49. > :18:56.machines for a period of ten years. Yes. What first drew you into

:18:57. > :19:02.gambling? I think I was introduced to fixed odds betting terminals by a

:19:03. > :19:06.friend in college back in 2003. So we went into the bookmaker one day

:19:07. > :19:12.and I didn't know what he was doing. He put some money, you know, into

:19:13. > :19:16.roulette machines or a fixed odds betting terminal. I think he doubled

:19:17. > :19:21.his money. He put a tenner in and got ?20 back straightaway. I thought

:19:22. > :19:24.why not? Is this is a good time to spend my break sometimes.

:19:25. > :19:32.Occasionally I'd go into the bookmaker and I put ?5, ?10, I used

:19:33. > :19:39.to bet conservatively. And I used to win, you know. The first time I ever

:19:40. > :19:43.gambled I won so automatically, you know, this gave me a sense of belief

:19:44. > :19:46.that I can make money from gambling and it kind of continued until then

:19:47. > :19:54.and it spiralled out of control over the years. So how much were you

:19:55. > :20:03.spending in the end? At the worst point, you know, I did spend up to

:20:04. > :20:06.?1,000 a week. That's very true. I spent a massive fraction of my

:20:07. > :20:10.salary on betting on fixed odds betting terminals. You were drawn in

:20:11. > :20:14.when you were doing well and it is something that makes you feel good.

:20:15. > :20:18.Yes. But in the end with most addictions, it can end up making you

:20:19. > :20:27.feel terrible and cause real problems. How did it end up with

:20:28. > :20:31.you? Oh well, at my lowest point I was very depressed. It got worse

:20:32. > :20:34.because there wasn't really much support services out there, you

:20:35. > :20:39.know, to actually help me. I was very alone. I kept it away from my

:20:40. > :20:43.family and friends for a long time. I think, you know, anybody possibly

:20:44. > :20:47.watching this show would be very surprised right now, but however,

:20:48. > :20:53.yeah... That you were doing it because you kept it so well hidden?

:20:54. > :20:57.That's why I was able to carry on, I kept it well hidden for the best

:20:58. > :21:00.part of ten years. The best part of a decade. Like I said again, there

:21:01. > :21:03.wasn't enough support services out there. I did contact some support

:21:04. > :21:07.services, you know, I wouldn't really mention them because it is

:21:08. > :21:11.not an attack on them and waiting lists were like two, three, maybe

:21:12. > :21:17.four months and I mean, if I can lose ?1,000 in a week, what am I

:21:18. > :21:26.going to do in four months? However in the end I was put in touch with

:21:27. > :21:34.Frankie Bet No More and I came on to, I was Frankie's mentee, Frankie

:21:35. > :21:36.acted as my mentor and he helped me throughout the difficult stages of

:21:37. > :21:44.my recovery. Right at the beginning. He gave me an opportunity to

:21:45. > :21:48.volunteer with Bet No More. You turned things around. I turned

:21:49. > :21:52.things around very quickly and now I am an outreach worker and I am on

:21:53. > :22:00.the mentor programme with Frankie and other volunteers. Yeah, it has

:22:01. > :22:06.been a journey. Kasey, your son James took his own life... He didn't

:22:07. > :22:10.have that opportunity. Listen to go Stephen obviously, your family had a

:22:11. > :22:15.very different experience. Tell us what happened with James? Exactly

:22:16. > :22:21.the same really. Ten years, probably a decade of gambling on and off more

:22:22. > :22:25.on, I think, if I'm honest. Hidden initially and then not hidden

:22:26. > :22:30.anymore because he involved all of us in his gambling, it affected all

:22:31. > :22:34.of us. When you say involved, you knew because Stephen was saying he

:22:35. > :22:38.kept it hidden, but you were aware? James wasn't able to keep it hidden

:22:39. > :22:43.because he needed us to support him so if he needed money, we would help

:22:44. > :22:47.him. We didn't always know it was gambling, but we would help him with

:22:48. > :22:52.money, myself or my husband or other family members and then we realised

:22:53. > :22:55.it was gambling and we tried everything we could to try to stop

:22:56. > :22:59.him, unfortunately like you just said, it is an addiction that we

:23:00. > :23:04.didn't really understand and there wasn't any support out there. Maybe

:23:05. > :23:10.if he met someone like you, it might be different. It put a huge stress

:23:11. > :23:18.on the whole family? Yeah, for roughly ten years. And then the

:23:19. > :23:30.consequences it was this. So... Sorry. It is completely

:23:31. > :23:34.understandable, you lost your son. Let's bring in Kerry. The betting

:23:35. > :23:38.shops take moor responsibility and show more of a duty of care.

:23:39. > :23:43.Westminster Council has already been doing the sort of things that are

:23:44. > :23:48.going to come in. Tell us how it has been working in a practical sense?

:23:49. > :23:53.Yes, the changes is positive. It is a move forward and Westminster in

:23:54. > :23:57.particular have been leading the way in local authority since we took

:23:58. > :24:03.over regulatory powers in 2007. We have been specifically looking at

:24:04. > :24:07.the area. Our councillors have been concerned over the years about not

:24:08. > :24:14.having the evidence base to understand how gambling affects

:24:15. > :24:16.local people. Kasey's son and Stephen are the people, are

:24:17. > :24:21.residents of our communities that we are looking to help and that's why

:24:22. > :24:25.we specifically commissioned Geo Futures to carry out ground-breaking

:24:26. > :24:30.research and too look at vulnerability at a local level. So

:24:31. > :24:33.we can specifically target these areas in terms of support services,

:24:34. > :24:37.but also for risk assessments to provide that information to the

:24:38. > :24:41.gambling sector particularly the bookies who are the vast majority of

:24:42. > :24:45.premises we have in Westminster to enable them to look at their risk

:24:46. > :24:50.assessments and look at how they operate and put measures in place to

:24:51. > :24:56.mitigate any harm that they may have and to support the people like

:24:57. > :25:01.Stephen and Kasey's son. Can anything be done to stop anybody,

:25:02. > :25:04.vun, whatever, walking in and developing a habit that they can't

:25:05. > :25:08.control and perhaps people simply aren't aware of what's going on with

:25:09. > :25:13.them? It is a very difficult issue. Gambling is a hidden addiction. As

:25:14. > :25:17.Stephen, it is one of these addictions that isn't, part of my

:25:18. > :25:21.job is licensing and alcohol promises as well. Alcohol is pretty

:25:22. > :25:25.obvious the effects of that. Gambling isn't and it didn't really

:25:26. > :25:28.happen until you get to the end where you are in that much problems

:25:29. > :25:31.and you need the support of people like Frankie and his team. In term

:25:32. > :25:34.of what we're doing, we are specifically focussing and working

:25:35. > :25:38.with the industry to try and, you know, work with them to develop

:25:39. > :25:42.their risks assessments to bring about measures that they can do to

:25:43. > :25:46.target those vulnerable people that we have identified in a particular

:25:47. > :25:49.area where they are more at risk to problem gambling. Malcolm George,

:25:50. > :25:54.you represent the high street betting industry. Do you expect

:25:55. > :25:59.these changes to make any material difference in terms of a vulnerable

:26:00. > :26:03.person actually potentially not going down a path that they might be

:26:04. > :26:07.going down? What you have seen is over two, three years a step change

:26:08. > :26:12.in the way the industry addresses problem gambling and this is just

:26:13. > :26:15.another step along that road and it is measures such as self exclusion

:26:16. > :26:20.from shops. It is the training we give our staff in how to identify,

:26:21. > :26:25.hopefully early, a problem gambler and how to intervene and how to

:26:26. > :26:31.intervene effectively and sign post them to the great services that

:26:32. > :26:35.people like Frankie offer and Gam Care and it is making sure we have

:26:36. > :26:40.the structures in the shops that create an environment that is safe

:26:41. > :26:44.for people to gamble in and spot people early when they start to

:26:45. > :26:48.display those signs of problem gambling. Stephen, did anybody in a

:26:49. > :26:52.shop ever spot what was going on with you and talk to you about it?

:26:53. > :26:57.To be honest with you on one occasion over ten years, you know,

:26:58. > :27:00.that's, you know, that's not an attack to the book making industry

:27:01. > :27:04.itself, however, I don't believe, you know, there is enough

:27:05. > :27:09.intervention out there or the bookmaker staff are skilled enough,

:27:10. > :27:12.you know, to actually carry out the interventions What would have made a

:27:13. > :27:15.difference? It happened once, somebody said to you, clearly, they

:27:16. > :27:19.were identifying there maybe a problem and it didn't stop you then.

:27:20. > :27:30.What might have made a difference? Before I go anymore, I must stress,

:27:31. > :27:35.I used to own a gam point. I don't know if it was a ritual or

:27:36. > :27:39.superstition. I don't know how much it would have made a difference. I

:27:40. > :27:45.still go down to support services. I stress again I was very lucky to get

:27:46. > :27:50.in touch with Frankie and Bet No More and that changed everything. I

:27:51. > :27:54.find that bookmaker staff are under pressure to meet targets. I have

:27:55. > :28:00.been in bookmakers before and I have been proposed a new game. A new way

:28:01. > :28:05.to play the machines and like I say, I used to gamble with one bookmaker

:28:06. > :28:09.and I am familiar with many of the staff and they know I have made a

:28:10. > :28:13.turn around. Sometimes I do some outreach work which may involve me

:28:14. > :28:17.going into a bookmaker and seeing if you know, I can possibly drof off

:28:18. > :28:22.leaflets in terms of support services. The training that staff

:28:23. > :28:26.receive and the quality of that training, it is a step change and I

:28:27. > :28:32.think, you know, what we would say is, those people who manage to

:28:33. > :28:35.address their problem gambling, the greatest credit goes to them because

:28:36. > :28:39.it does involve families. It involves the individual himself.

:28:40. > :28:43.What we put in place is a range of additional measures. Some of which

:28:44. > :28:47.will work for different people so for some people, self exclusion will

:28:48. > :28:53.work. For others, it maybe setting a limit on the machine. For others, it

:28:54. > :28:58.maybe... Is any of that really happening? Oh, absolutely. It

:28:59. > :29:03.happens consistently. We found the industry is by far and athe largest

:29:04. > :29:08.funder actually of all the support services that exist. I mean we will,

:29:09. > :29:16.the industry, will fund possibly 90%... Kasey is shaking her head? I

:29:17. > :29:20.disagree. On many occasions I retrieved my son, they were trying

:29:21. > :29:24.to encourage him to do more. Maybe now it might change, but it

:29:25. > :29:29.certainly wasn't then and he hasn't been dead that long. I disagree with

:29:30. > :29:33.you. My concern is how many bookmakers there are in small,

:29:34. > :29:36.deprived areas. The very people who are vulnerable already are having

:29:37. > :29:41.that thrown in their face day in and day out. There is none where I live.

:29:42. > :29:49.In an affluent area, there is hardly any. I think that nationally

:29:50. > :29:54.gambling providers have policies in place, but they don't actually

:29:55. > :29:58.necessarily localised enough and they know to know and deal with the

:29:59. > :30:01.local problems, what happens in a rural part of the country is very

:30:02. > :30:05.different to the centre of London for example. So it is very different

:30:06. > :30:07.approaches need to be taken for even individual shops in different areas

:30:08. > :30:20.even in the same city. There is a Cash Converters, chicken

:30:21. > :30:28.shop, betting shop, almost always together in deprived areas, people

:30:29. > :30:35.go in, pawn something to get the money, then they go and get a drink.

:30:36. > :30:40.It is what the mapping tools have produced in Westminster and

:30:41. > :30:44.Manchester, mapping these particular locations that indicate deprivation

:30:45. > :30:52.and social issues that enables us to do that. The new regulations are

:30:53. > :30:56.exactly about what Kerry is talking about, localism, councils working in

:30:57. > :31:01.partnership with betting shops and actually saying, what are the

:31:02. > :31:04.specific needs of this area, and how should the betting shop address

:31:05. > :31:10.those and create a very safe environment for betting? We have not

:31:11. > :31:14.had a chance to hear you get, Frank, you have been helping people get

:31:15. > :31:19.through ambling addiction. Do you think these things will make a

:31:20. > :31:25.difference? It is a start, our focus as an organisation is to provide

:31:26. > :31:32.grassroots support, working with local communities, local community

:31:33. > :31:35.groups, existing charities. With Stephen, for example, the absolute

:31:36. > :31:42.priority for him was the quick turnaround support, and mentoring

:31:43. > :31:45.service so that the support is daily. You have to bear in mind, if

:31:46. > :31:49.you have a gambling problem, you need money to survive in society, so

:31:50. > :31:53.every time you have money in your pocket there is a potential trigger

:31:54. > :31:58.to relapse in your pocket. It is essential the person has safeguards

:31:59. > :32:06.in place, they have a very support plan which means we focus on

:32:07. > :32:11.well-being, not just addiction -- is very holistic support plan. We

:32:12. > :32:14.provide an opportunity for that person to change and become

:32:15. > :32:21.empowered by the experience. How should we -- how much responsibility

:32:22. > :32:24.should the high street take? They have a part to play, but with the

:32:25. > :32:29.best will in the world they are not going to be fully trained in these

:32:30. > :32:32.interventions. It is very, very challenging for them to try to carry

:32:33. > :34:06.out an intervention on someone who has just lost a lot of money

:34:07. > :34:12.problem gambling, what is happening to the others gambling may be

:34:13. > :34:17.through their phone? We do welcome any changes or introduction of new

:34:18. > :34:24.measures, but there is still a lot of work to be done. And that is what

:34:25. > :34:29.makes shops unique, almost, is that there are staff, people, human

:34:30. > :34:35.interaction, they often know their customers, and that is what gives

:34:36. > :34:38.the shop the potential to intervene, and intervene positively, and

:34:39. > :34:42.signpost people to the sort of support they need if they're

:34:43. > :34:46.gambling is getting out of control. We are out of time, thank you all

:34:47. > :34:50.for coming in and sharing experiences and thoughts on this

:34:51. > :34:54.with us. If you are struggling with gambling or any other form of

:34:55. > :35:00.addiction, you can call the BBC's action line...

:35:01. > :35:09.Still to come: London Mayoral candidates in the hot seat

:35:10. > :35:14.Today is the Conservative candidate, Zac Goldsmith.

:35:15. > :35:17.And few new parents are taking advantage of a shared paid leave

:35:18. > :35:27.We'll be asking why and just who is losing out most?

:35:28. > :35:31.Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest

:35:32. > :35:37.David Cameron is coming under pressure to do more to stop British

:35:38. > :35:41.overseas territories and Crown dependencies being used by wealthy

:35:42. > :35:43.people trying to reduce their tax bills.

:35:44. > :35:50.The leak of millions of documents from a Panamanian law

:35:51. > :35:58.firm has revealed that more than half of the 200,000 secret

:35:59. > :36:01.companies set up by the lawyers Mossack Fonseca were registered

:36:02. > :36:04.In a speech later today, the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn,

:36:05. > :36:07.will say there can't be "one set of rules for the wealthy elite

:36:08. > :36:12.In Iceland, thousands of people gathered outside parliament

:36:13. > :36:15.demanding the Prime Minister step down over allegations he concealed

:36:16. > :36:21.Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson earlier refused to resign,

:36:22. > :36:24.saying no rules were broken and his wife did not benefit

:36:25. > :36:32.The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is due to meet Sanjeev Gupta,

:36:33. > :36:37.a potential buyer of the Port Talbot steelworks,

:36:38. > :36:39.today before flying to India this evening

:36:40. > :36:49.David Cameron is meeting with Carwyn Jones to discuss the future of the

:36:50. > :37:00.plant. At my lowest point I was very

:37:01. > :37:04.depressed because there were no support services to help me. I was

:37:05. > :37:08.very alone, I kept it away from my family and friends for a long time.

:37:09. > :37:14.Anybody watching this show would be very surprised right now. Because

:37:15. > :37:18.you kept it so well hidden? Yes, I think that is why I was able to

:37:19. > :37:21.carry on, I kept it well hidden for the best part of ten years.

:37:22. > :37:23.New regulations come into force this week to target problem gambling.

:37:24. > :37:27.The clampdown in England, Wales and Scotland will force every

:37:28. > :37:32.bookmaker near schools, hostels for homeless people or other

:37:33. > :37:34.communities seen as high-risk to carry out a risk assessment

:37:35. > :37:37.showing they've thought about what they can do

:37:38. > :37:46.Cheryl Fernandez-Versini is stepping down as a judge on the X Factor,

:37:47. > :37:48.again, when the show returns later this year.

:37:49. > :37:51.She's the latest change to the line-up after fellow judge

:37:52. > :37:54.Nick Grimshaw said he was leaving the show as well.

:37:55. > :37:58.Presenters Olly Murs and Caroline Flack will also be

:37:59. > :38:09.replaced by Dermot O'Leary, who's returning after a year away.

:38:10. > :38:12.Cheryl said she's had an amazing experience on The X Factor,

:38:13. > :38:15.In response, Simon Cowell said he understand her commitment

:38:16. > :38:19.That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

:38:20. > :38:23.Jessica has the morning's sport headlines now.

:38:24. > :38:27.Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken from his induced coma.

:38:28. > :38:32.He suffered a bleed on his skull, following his British title fight

:38:33. > :38:34.with Chris Eubank Junior just over a week ago.

:38:35. > :38:36.Blackwell's promoter Hennessey Sports says he was talking

:38:37. > :38:39.to family and friends as his bedside this weekend.

:38:40. > :38:41.Now, Eubank Junior is keen to visit him.

:38:42. > :38:44.Antonio Conte is the new head coach at Chelsea.

:38:45. > :38:48.He'll start in the summer after leading his national side

:38:49. > :38:55.As boss of Italian club Juventus, Conte won the Serie A league title

:38:56. > :39:00.England's Joe Marler has insisted he is not a racist ahead

:39:01. > :39:02.of his World Rugby disciplinary hearing this afternoon

:39:03. > :39:04.for calling the Wales player Samson Lee "Gypsy boy".

:39:05. > :39:07.Marler made the comment during England's Six Nations game

:39:08. > :39:10.Marler has issued a statement saying he would accept

:39:11. > :39:13.Kenya could move closer to a possible ban from

:39:14. > :39:19.The country had a deadline to improve its anti-doping

:39:20. > :39:21.procedures and demonstrate that they are tackling cheating

:39:22. > :39:24.in sport, but the World Anti-Doping Agency is expected to find

:39:25. > :39:33.I will be back with a full update at about 10am.

:39:34. > :39:36.The Conservative candidate for Mayor of London has told this

:39:37. > :39:38.programme his Labour opponent is "fundamentally unprincipled"

:39:39. > :39:47.Zac Goldsmith accuses Sadiq Khan of changing his stance on issues

:39:48. > :39:50.for his own political gain, and says he can't think of another

:39:51. > :39:52.politician in this country who has engaged

:39:53. > :39:53.in more flip-flopping for political reasons.

:39:54. > :39:57.The two men are the frontrunners in the race to succeed Boris Johnson

:39:58. > :40:00.as the next Mayor of London, a job he's held for the past eight years.

:40:01. > :40:03.The next Mayor will preside over a city that's home to 8.6 million

:40:04. > :40:05.people - that's roughly the populations of Scotland

:40:06. > :40:12.They'll have the power to decide policy in areas such as housing,

:40:13. > :40:14.transport and policing, and will control a budget

:40:15. > :40:18.Over the next couple of days we'll hear from some of the candidates,

:40:19. > :40:21.and today it's the turn of Zac Goldsmith to share a cab

:40:22. > :40:33.with our political guru, Norman Smith.

:40:34. > :41:04.One of your challenges is your background.

:41:05. > :41:14.So how do you represent people in the city, where many people

:41:15. > :41:16.Look, I've never hidden from my background.

:41:17. > :41:19.I have never pretended to be anything other than what I am.

:41:20. > :41:24.Is that a disadvantage now in campaigning?

:41:25. > :41:32.I've spent my entire life trying to play that hand

:41:33. > :41:36.And that has involved campaigning at every level against what I see

:41:37. > :41:39.I have campaigned for the environment, consumers,

:41:40. > :41:44.against corporate corruption, all my life before becoming an MP.

:41:45. > :41:46.As an MP for the last five, six years, I have campaigned

:41:47. > :41:49.and battled for my constituents every single day I have

:41:50. > :41:54.Just at a personal level, if you, a very wealthy man,

:41:55. > :41:57.are voting for benefit cuts for poor people,

:41:58. > :42:05.I stood on a manifesto at both elections that involved reforming

:42:06. > :42:09.the welfare system to make it pay to work.

:42:10. > :42:12.But I want to challenge the premise of your question.

:42:13. > :42:16.To be an effective councillor, to be an effective MP,

:42:17. > :42:18.or an effective mayor, you've got to be someone

:42:19. > :42:21.who empathises with problems, who understands problems,

:42:22. > :42:26.Let me try some quickfire questions, if I may,

:42:27. > :42:30.just yes-no things that may give us a sense of who you are.

:42:31. > :42:35.I have a great reverence of the natural world.

:42:36. > :42:38.I think there is a magic in the world.

:42:39. > :42:40.But I am not religious in a conventional sense.

:42:41. > :42:50.It is not something I would promote, it is not something I would

:42:51. > :42:53.Would you like cyclists to be forced to wear helmets?

:42:54. > :43:00.It is not something I would push, no.

:43:01. > :43:02.Let's talk about one of the big issues for London,

:43:03. > :43:05.which is this is a city with massive levels of immigration.

:43:06. > :43:14.Do you think the current numbers of immigrants are too high?

:43:15. > :43:18.I think there are two issues there and one is about control.

:43:19. > :43:23.I do think we need to have control of our borders.

:43:24. > :43:25.I think any country needs to have control of their borders.

:43:26. > :43:28.But that is not so much for me a numbers issue.

:43:29. > :43:37.I think immigration is one of the key reasons why this city

:43:38. > :43:40.is the success that it is, and I would not want to turn

:43:41. > :43:45.No-one is disputing that this is a city built on immigration,

:43:46. > :43:48.that relies on immigration, but, wide on this matter surely is this -

:43:49. > :43:50.because of the pressure numbers create on housing,

:43:51. > :43:57.Do you think the numbers coming into London at the moment are too

:43:58. > :44:02.I think the worst thing that could happen to Londoners that

:44:03. > :44:05.people don't want to come and work and live and invest

:44:06. > :44:12.The job of the next mayor is to accommodate that.

:44:13. > :44:13.We know we have a massive housing crisis.

:44:14. > :44:17.I know it is an overused term, but it is a housing crisis,

:44:18. > :44:20.that is the only term I can think of to describe it.

:44:21. > :44:22.We need to close the gap between demand and supply,

:44:23. > :44:25.and that means building around 50,000 homes a year and not just

:44:26. > :44:28.when you build these new developments, you have got

:44:29. > :44:30.to build into them schools, primary schools, secondary schools,

:44:31. > :44:33.In one of your leaflets, you characterised Sadiq Khan

:44:34. > :44:41.Bluntly, isn't that dog whistle politics?

:44:42. > :44:46.I know that was the interpretation that his team have tried

:44:47. > :44:50.But the reality is that Sadiq Khan is an architect,

:44:51. > :44:52.principal architect, of one of the most radical things

:44:53. > :44:54.that has happened to British politics in my lifetime,

:44:55. > :44:56.certainly, but I would go further than that.

:44:57. > :45:00.He nominated Jeremy Corbyn, which was a huge experiment

:45:01. > :45:06.He has said over and over again that he would do so again,

:45:07. > :45:08.despite the impact it has had on that party.

:45:09. > :45:10.And his personal approach to politics is divisive.

:45:11. > :45:13.This is not a comment on Labour, there are plenty of Labour people

:45:14. > :45:15.I've worked with over the last six years.

:45:16. > :45:19.But as an individual, Sadiq Khan is not someone who has

:45:20. > :45:22.any record at all of being able to work with people outside

:45:23. > :45:33.What would be the impact on London if we left the European Union?

:45:34. > :45:36.The truth is that business does not speak with one voice on this issue.

:45:37. > :45:41.Then you have the British Chamber of Commerce on the other.

:45:42. > :45:45.For every Richard Branson you have got a James Dyson.

:45:46. > :45:47.Small businesses tend to be much more Eurosceptic,

:45:48. > :45:50.overwhelmingly so in fact if you look at most small

:45:51. > :45:51.organisations, small business organisations.

:45:52. > :45:54.CBI and the big business voices tend to be more keen to stay in Europe.

:45:55. > :45:57.I have no doubt in my mind that the riskier option,

:45:58. > :45:59.because that is really what we are talking about,

:46:00. > :46:08.Let's talk a bit about standing up to David Cameron.

:46:09. > :46:12.He clearly is on the other side in this referendum campaign.

:46:13. > :46:14.Do you think he could survive if he lost?

:46:15. > :46:16.I hope so. I don't see why not.

:46:17. > :46:19.It is really important this project has a democratic mandate,

:46:20. > :46:24.And that is what David Cameron has given us and for that I am very

:46:25. > :46:26.grateful, and I think the whole country should be grateful.

:46:27. > :46:29.He will go down in history as a great man, in my view.

:46:30. > :46:32.We are driving through really heavy traffic.

:46:33. > :46:34.It is normally a lot heavier than this, actually.

:46:35. > :46:43.What are you, a black-cab man or an Uber man?

:46:44. > :46:48.I think it is essential we ensure the black cab has a bright future.

:46:49. > :46:54.You don't want to ban Uber. Can you levelled the playing field?

:46:55. > :46:57.It should be a requirement that Uber drivers and private hire vehicle

:46:58. > :46:59.drivers should have a basic grasp of London's geography.

:47:00. > :47:06.They should have to do their own mini knowledge?

:47:07. > :47:08.Not the Knowledge, of course, but the basic understanding

:47:09. > :47:10.of London's geography, they should have a basic grasp

:47:11. > :47:14.Can I ask why, because you can just use sat-nav.

:47:15. > :47:17.Because you need to be able to communicate,

:47:18. > :47:19.because the roads aren't always open, because there might be

:47:20. > :47:21.an accident ahead, there might be congestion.

:47:22. > :47:23.It is important there is a level of agility.

:47:24. > :47:27.I am not expecting the same level of agility you find in a black cab.

:47:28. > :47:30.I think there is also a question mark about the numbers.

:47:31. > :47:32.There are just so many licences being issued.

:47:33. > :47:35.That is becoming, we think, we do not have the data to prove

:47:36. > :47:38.this, but we think it is becoming a congestion problem.

:47:39. > :47:44.See how much you have knowledge of London.

:47:45. > :48:02.OK, let's take the Central line. What is next in this sequence?

:48:03. > :48:08.Bond Street, Oxford Circus, Tottenham Court Road?

:48:09. > :48:10.I am going to stop you there, because I don't...

:48:11. > :48:21.Most people have a route, two routes. And they become

:48:22. > :48:24.like an extension of the body and you use those routes,

:48:25. > :48:27.not for ethical reasons, but because it is the only way

:48:28. > :48:29.to get around London without being late for meetings.

:48:30. > :48:31.But the routes outside of the normal, you have apps

:48:32. > :48:34.like Citymapper, which I rely on pretty much every day.

:48:35. > :48:37.And they ensure you get where you need to get to one time.

:48:38. > :48:40.Who was the first landlord at the Queen Vic?

:48:41. > :48:46.You are talking 40 years ago, 50 years ago?

:48:47. > :48:48.The first landlord. Big iconic...

:48:49. > :49:07.I went there very recently. I can't tell you the road.

:49:08. > :49:22.I think it is the next one. Oh no, it is not.

:49:23. > :49:25.They are sending me down here. Do you know better?

:49:26. > :49:27.I would have gone down there and left.

:49:28. > :49:29.There you are you can get around this...

:49:30. > :49:30.I think the road is closed, actually.

:49:31. > :49:31.Oh, crikey. Really?

:49:32. > :49:36.You have the GPS, I will let you do it.

:49:37. > :49:43.This is when you need the Knowledge! I am blindly following the sat-nav.

:49:44. > :49:45.So if you get the London mayor position, have you thought

:49:46. > :49:48.at the end of your term, is there anything which you would

:49:49. > :49:52.Is there one thing you would like to be identified

:49:53. > :49:59.In a very general sense, I want London to be affordable

:50:00. > :50:02.to Londoners, because if it is not, London will cease to be

:50:03. > :50:06.And that is not just housing, it is across the board.

:50:07. > :50:09.It is about not losing those small spaces for creative people that give

:50:10. > :50:19.It means making sure people can actually afford not just to live

:50:20. > :50:24.but to work and contribute in London.

:50:25. > :50:27.But on a different level, I think it is time now,

:50:28. > :50:30.and the time is right now, for London to become the greenest

:50:31. > :50:38.You are quite critical of Sadiq Khan.

:50:39. > :50:47.What would you say is his redeeming quality?

:50:48. > :50:49.Is there anything you like about him?

:50:50. > :50:51.There is one thing which causes me to pause.

:50:52. > :50:54.Because I have to tell you that in my time in politics,

:50:55. > :50:57.I have dealt with all manner, all types of politicians.

:50:58. > :51:02.And I do regard him to be fundamentally unprincipled,

:51:03. > :51:04.and there is so much evidence of that.

:51:05. > :51:07.But one thing that causes me to question that is the fact he has

:51:08. > :51:10.supported gay marriage, which is surprising.

:51:11. > :51:14.I think that shows there is something there beyond

:51:15. > :51:22.So I will maybe have to revise my views slightly.

:51:23. > :51:30.That is a fairly damning assessment, to say he is unprincipled.

:51:31. > :51:33.I mean that is quite a big claim to make, isn't it?

:51:34. > :51:36.I can't think of another politician in this country who has engaged

:51:37. > :51:39.in more flip-flopping for political reasons than Sadiq Khan,

:51:40. > :51:41.so when I say he is unprincipled, that, for me, defines

:51:42. > :51:43.what being unprincipled in politics means.

:51:44. > :51:50.It is someone who will say something but who will say something

:51:51. > :51:52.completely different depending on who they are talking

:51:53. > :51:55.to and what their ambition in politics is in a particular time.

:51:56. > :51:57.That is the definition of being unprincipled in politics.

:51:58. > :52:00.Well, here we are, I do believe we have made it.

:52:01. > :52:04.I'm not sure about the route, I have to say.

:52:05. > :52:21.I am only going to charge you ?23.60 for that!

:52:22. > :52:23.I didn't even notice that, that's illegal, surely?

:52:24. > :52:45.Grace says I dislike the principle of criticising other politicians

:52:46. > :52:47.rather than informing us about actual policies, but I like the name

:52:48. > :52:51.Zac! We'll hear from some of the other

:52:52. > :52:54.candidates over the next few days. In total 12 candidates are hoping

:52:55. > :52:57.to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor of London in the

:52:58. > :52:59.election on 5th May. You can find a full list of them

:53:00. > :53:02.on the BBC News site. If you want to watch back

:53:03. > :53:05.or share Norman taking a cab with Zac Goldsmith or Sadiq Khan

:53:06. > :53:08.you can find them on our programme Coming up: More sentencing today

:53:09. > :53:12.for the gang behind a notorious museum raid after a plot to steal

:53:13. > :53:20.artefacts worth up to ?57 million. Rhino horn is worth more than gold

:53:21. > :53:25.and cocaine. A woman from Northern Ireland has

:53:26. > :53:27.been given a suspended prison sentence after she bought

:53:28. > :53:29.abortion pills online. Belfast Crown Court heard

:53:30. > :53:31.that the woman, who was 19 at the time, couldn't raise enough

:53:32. > :53:34.money to travel to England She was reported to the police

:53:35. > :53:39.when her housemates found the foetus Abortion in Northern Ireland

:53:40. > :53:43.is illegal unlike in England, Katherine O'Brien is from

:53:44. > :53:53.the British Pregnancy Advisory Thank you for comingment in what do

:53:54. > :53:58.you think about this case? I think the fact that this woman has been

:53:59. > :54:02.given any kind of prison sentence for ending a pregnancy is appalling

:54:03. > :54:05.and speaks to the Draconian nature of abortion laws in Northern

:54:06. > :54:09.Ireland. This was a 19-year-old woman without the finances to travel

:54:10. > :54:17.abroad to end a pregnancy and really, in that situation, she had

:54:18. > :54:20.no other option. Would you advice would the service advice people in

:54:21. > :54:26.Northern Ireland to get this pill and have a termination that way?

:54:27. > :54:30.Absolutely, we would not advice women to buy this medication online.

:54:31. > :54:36.There are certain risks associated with taking any medication without

:54:37. > :54:39.provision of qualified medical professionals, but women in Northern

:54:40. > :54:43.Ireland don't have any other options in some circumstances so until they

:54:44. > :54:47.are able to access abortion at home, women will continue to buy these

:54:48. > :54:51.pills. This case obviously highlights the fact that if a woman

:54:52. > :54:56.is doing that, they run the risk of a prison sentence. That remains the

:54:57. > :55:01.law. How many women do you think might be doing this? We don't know

:55:02. > :55:06.exact numbers, but we know these pills are very cheap online and they

:55:07. > :55:10.are readily available for women and awareness is growing so we know

:55:11. > :55:14.there will be many women probably in Northern Ireland and the Republic of

:55:15. > :55:17.Ireland who are resorting to these pills online, but also it is worth

:55:18. > :55:22.remembering that throughout the UK, any woman who buy this is medication

:55:23. > :55:27.online is risking life imprisonment. While abortion is legal in certain

:55:28. > :55:31.circumstances in England and Wales and Scotland, ending a pregnancy

:55:32. > :55:37.without the supervision of two doctors remains a crime. How many

:55:38. > :55:42.women from Northern Ireland does your advisory service deal with on a

:55:43. > :55:48.daily basis who are concerned having fallen pregnant and do not want that

:55:49. > :55:51.pregnancy? So we hear from women every day and we see women from

:55:52. > :55:53.Northern Ireland every day in our clinics and it is heartbreaking to

:55:54. > :55:57.see these women forced to travel, you know, these are women with

:55:58. > :56:00.lives, with children, with responsibilities at home and the

:56:01. > :56:05.fact that their Government is forcing them at such a huge personal

:56:06. > :56:09.and financial cost to travel abroad, it is heartbreaking for our staff to

:56:10. > :56:12.see. It is the law in Northern Ireland obviously. Yes. The society

:56:13. > :56:17.for the protection of the unborn child, we will be speaking to later,

:56:18. > :56:23.they actually say that a suspended sentence in this case will encourage

:56:24. > :56:31.other women to take the risk of taking this drug. I think that's a

:56:32. > :56:36.very odd way... The sentence would have been more of a deterrent? I

:56:37. > :56:39.think women in Northern Ireland will rort to this regardless of the law.

:56:40. > :56:41.I don't think there this is something that could be

:56:42. > :56:46.characterised as a light sentence. This woman has been branded a

:56:47. > :56:49.criminal for life and she has been through the horrific ordeal of the

:56:50. > :56:52.court case, it is flippant to suggest she got off lightly. How

:56:53. > :56:55.many people do you think are travelling abroad to have abortions

:56:56. > :56:59.from Northern Ireland? Hundreds of women from Northern Ireland will

:57:00. > :57:03.travel to England for terminations every year although the number maybe

:57:04. > :57:10.higher and they maybe travelling elsewhere as well. Katherine

:57:11. > :57:14.O'Brien, thank you. We will be speaking to the society for the

:57:15. > :57:19.protection of the unborn child later for their view.

:57:20. > :57:24.Lots of you getting in touch with your experience of gambling. Stephen

:57:25. > :57:28.said, "I am a compulsive gambler. A few years I self excluded myself

:57:29. > :57:32.from the local shopsment then I could do that for five years.

:57:33. > :57:37.However, when I had did it a few weeks ago, I could only exclude

:57:38. > :57:45.myself for 12 months. Why is this?" Adam tweeted to say, "Gambling is a

:57:46. > :57:51.hidden problem. They cost our family ?500,000." Heather, "Thank you to

:57:52. > :57:53.the brave mumment you are so right. Often vulnerable desparing people

:57:54. > :57:59.turn to gambling especially those who are poor." Brendan tweeted to

:58:00. > :58:02.say, "No one said the fixed odds betting machines in the bookies

:58:03. > :58:11.should be bannedment they are the problem. I know loads of people who

:58:12. > :58:14.are addicted to them. ." Kepy tweeted to say, "Gamble as

:58:15. > :58:19.destructive as smoking. The Government want this to happen, ban

:58:20. > :58:22.advertising of gambling." Joe says, "A great programme highlighting this

:58:23. > :58:26.very real problem with gambling. Well done." Thank you for your

:58:27. > :58:28.comments as well as everything else we are talking about today.

:58:29. > :58:33.Let's get the latest weather update with Nick.

:58:34. > :58:39.There is a big change in the weather coming your way over the next few

:58:40. > :58:43.days. Temperatures will be dipping significantly. The winds picking up

:58:44. > :58:46.as well. Even a bit of sleet and snow over the tops of the hills

:58:47. > :58:49.across Northern Britain as well. All that is in the forecast. A bit of

:58:50. > :58:52.sunshine. A bit of warmth still to be found for some of us today

:58:53. > :58:56.though. Still got rain affecting parts of Scotland and north-east

:58:57. > :58:59.England and increasingly light and patchy though as we go through this

:59:00. > :59:02.afternoon and Western Scotland and north-west England brightening up.

:59:03. > :59:05.Sunny spells for Northern Ireland, for the rest of England and Wales,

:59:06. > :59:09.bar the odd shower, dry. Some spots up to 16 Celsius, that's going to

:59:10. > :59:13.feel pleasant indeed. And the clearing skies tonight, temperatures

:59:14. > :59:17.will dip initially so mid to low single figures in rural spots and

:59:18. > :59:20.turning chilly, but notice this, another band of cloud and rain

:59:21. > :59:23.heading in from the Atlantic as the night goes on. Showers following on

:59:24. > :59:26.behind. All this is bringing the big weather change for tomorrow.

:59:27. > :59:31.Tomorrow, it will be a very blustery day. Plenty of showers around.

:59:32. > :59:34.Moving through quickly on the wind. The heaviest showers Northern

:59:35. > :59:39.Ireland, Northern England, Scotland, snow to the tops of the hills.

:59:40. > :59:43.Factor in the wind and it wemp tures like this, it is going to feel

:59:44. > :59:46.colder. For many of us, we are not going to make it into double figures

:59:47. > :59:49.tomorrow and we will be struggling on Thursday and Friday and the

:59:50. > :00:07.weekend not looking much better, but sunshine in between the showers.

:00:08. > :00:09.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:00:10. > :00:13.Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn is calling for a crackdown

:00:14. > :00:15.on the use of British overseas territories and dependencies

:00:16. > :00:18.The latest revelations from the leak of millions of documents

:00:19. > :00:21.from a Panamanian law firm also reveal how international sanctions

:00:22. > :00:33.Also, reform parental leave and encourage men to take it, the

:00:34. > :00:37.message from the former culture Secretary Maria Miller a year after

:00:38. > :00:38.shared parental leave came into force. We will speak to her and some

:00:39. > :00:41.dads who took parental leave. And Stones fans will definitely be

:00:42. > :00:44.satisfied as hundreds of the iconic band's artefacts go

:00:45. > :00:46.on display in London - they chronicle more than just

:00:47. > :00:49.the group's 54-year music career. The rock band has a cultural history

:00:50. > :00:51.place, because as you walk through this exhibition, you can see

:00:52. > :00:57.it goes through all these different eras and all these different things

:00:58. > :01:00.have happened around the rock band, so to speak, so it becomes more

:01:01. > :01:18.than just being a rock band. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

:01:19. > :01:22.Newsroom with a summary David Cameron is coming under

:01:23. > :01:26.pressure to do more to stop British overseas territories and Crown

:01:27. > :01:28.dependencies being used by wealthy people trying to reduce

:01:29. > :01:29.their tax bills. The leak of millions of documents

:01:30. > :01:32.from a Panamanian law firm has revealed that more than half

:01:33. > :01:35.of the 200,000 secret companies set up by the lawyers Mossack Fonseca

:01:36. > :01:38.were registered in the British In a speech later today,

:01:39. > :01:44.the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, will say there can't be "one set

:01:45. > :01:47.of rules for the wealthy elite In Iceland, thousands of people

:01:48. > :01:55.gathered outside parliament demanding the Prime Minister step

:01:56. > :01:57.down over allegations he concealed Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson

:01:58. > :02:00.earlier refused to resign, saying no rules were broken and his

:02:01. > :02:05.wife did not benefit financially. The Business Secretary Sajid Javid

:02:06. > :02:08.is due to meet Sanjeev Gupta - a potential buyer of

:02:09. > :02:12.the Port Talbot steelworks - today before flying to India

:02:13. > :02:14.this evening for talks Mr Javid is currently

:02:15. > :02:21.at a meeting in Downing Street with David Cameron, George Osborne,

:02:22. > :02:24.Carwyn Jones and Alun Cairns, the MP for the Vale of Glamorgan,

:02:25. > :02:30.to discuss the future A woman from Northern Ireland has

:02:31. > :02:36.been given a suspended prison sentence after she bought

:02:37. > :02:38.abortion pills online. Belfast Crown Court heard

:02:39. > :02:40.that the woman, who was 19 at the time, couldn't raise enough

:02:41. > :02:54.money to travel to England She was reported to the police when

:02:55. > :02:58.her housemates found the foetus in a bin. Catherine O'Brien is from the

:02:59. > :03:02.British pregnancy advisory service. We hear from women every day and the

:03:03. > :03:05.women from Northern Ireland every day in our clinics, and it is

:03:06. > :03:09.heartbreaking to see these women forced to travel, women with lives,

:03:10. > :03:14.with children, with responsibilities at home, and the fact that their

:03:15. > :03:18.Government is forcing them at such huge personal and financial cost to

:03:19. > :03:20.travel abroad, it is heartbreaking for our staff to see.

:03:21. > :03:23.New regulations come into force this week to target problem gambling.

:03:24. > :03:25.The clampdown in England, Wales and Scotland will force every

:03:26. > :03:27.bookmaker near schools, hostels for homeless people or other

:03:28. > :03:30.communities seen as high-risk to carry out a risk assessment

:03:31. > :03:33.showing they've thought about what they can do

:03:34. > :03:39.Steven was addicted to Fixed Odds Betting Terminals

:03:40. > :03:52.for a decade, where he was losing up to ?1000 a week.

:03:53. > :03:57.At my lowest point I was very depressed.

:03:58. > :04:00.It got worse because there were no support services to help me.

:04:01. > :04:03.I was very alone, I kept it away from my family and friends

:04:04. > :04:07.I think anybody watching this show would be very surprised right now.

:04:08. > :04:13.Yes, I think that is why I was able to carry on,

:04:14. > :04:20.I kept it well hidden for the best part of ten years.

:04:21. > :04:23.GP practices are struggling to offer enough appointments to meet patient

:04:24. > :04:29.demand, doctors' leaders have warned.

:04:30. > :04:31.Surgeries are increasingly relying on support from locum doctors

:04:32. > :04:34.but a poll for the British Medical Association suggests that just under

:04:35. > :04:35.half frequently have trouble finding cover.

:04:36. > :04:38.The Government says that it's provided more money to recruit extra

:04:39. > :04:43.GPs which is already having an effect.

:04:44. > :04:46.Fewer parents than expected are choosing to take shared parental

:04:47. > :04:48.leave after the birth or adoption of a child.

:04:49. > :04:51.According to the My Family Care study, half of fathers chose not

:04:52. > :04:53.to take leave because they were worried about career progression,

:04:54. > :04:56.but the former Culture Secretary Maria Miller has told this programme

:04:57. > :04:58.that the Government needs to reform parental leave more quickly

:04:59. > :05:07.or risk skilled women missing out on top jobs.

:05:08. > :05:09.We'll be hearing from Maria Miller, and parents who have

:05:10. > :05:11.all shared their parental leave, just after 10.30 here

:05:12. > :05:24.on the Victoria Derbyshire programme.

:05:25. > :05:27.Two of the Queen's official residences are to get a ?37-million

:05:28. > :05:30.Work will begin next year on Windsor Castle and the Palace

:05:31. > :05:34.The renovations will be paid for by the Royal Collection Trust,

:05:35. > :05:36.with money raised from admissions to royal residences,

:05:37. > :05:38.including Buckingham Palace, and gift shop takings.

:05:39. > :05:42.Cheryl Fernandez-Versini is stepping down as a judge on the X Factor

:05:43. > :05:45.again when the show returns later this year.

:05:46. > :05:47.She's the latest change to the line-up after fellow judge

:05:48. > :05:50.Nick Grimshaw said he was leaving the show as well.

:05:51. > :05:53.Presenters Olly Murs and Caroline Flack will also be

:05:54. > :05:58.replaced by Dermot O'Leary, who's returning after a year away.

:05:59. > :06:01.Cheryl said she's had an amazing experience on the X Factor but has

:06:02. > :06:04.In response, Simon Cowell said he understand her commitment

:06:05. > :06:13.That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

:06:14. > :06:26.We will be speaking to Jeremy Corbyn in a few moments with his views on

:06:27. > :06:30.the tax avoidance story that we have been covering on the programme. We

:06:31. > :06:42.will bring you that shortly. First, let's catch up with the sport.

:06:43. > :06:44.Some good news from the world of boxing?

:06:45. > :06:46.Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken from his induced coma.

:06:47. > :06:49.He suffered a bleed on his skull following his British title fight

:06:50. > :06:51.with Chris Eubank Junior just over a week ago.

:06:52. > :06:57.Blackwell's promoter Hennessey Sports says he was talking

:06:58. > :06:59.to family and friends at his hospital bedside this weekend.

:07:00. > :07:01.Now Eubank Junior is keen to visit him.

:07:02. > :07:04.I have just got the news that Nick Blackwell has finally woken out

:07:05. > :07:10.A message to you, Nick, I would love to come down

:07:11. > :07:14.to the hospital to see you, if that is possible,

:07:15. > :07:16.if that is cool with you and your family.

:07:17. > :07:20.I have got something for you, so let me know, man.

:07:21. > :07:22.He's been described as a task-master and a drill sergeant.

:07:23. > :07:24.Reknowned disciplinarian Antonio Conte is the new head

:07:25. > :07:27.He'll start in the summer after leading his national side

:07:28. > :07:32.As boss of Italian club Juventus, Conte won the Serie A league title

:07:33. > :07:44.Former England women put for manager Hope Powell has joined the FA's

:07:45. > :07:47.coaching department. She is the first woman coach educator to work

:07:48. > :07:52.for the football union and will help professional male and female players

:07:53. > :07:57.become coaches in the future. Powell coached the national side that 15

:07:58. > :07:58.years before being sacked in 2013 and was the first woman to achieve

:07:59. > :08:02.the highest Uefa coaching level. England's Joe Marler has insisted

:08:03. > :08:04.he is not a racist ahead of his World Rugby disciplinary

:08:05. > :08:06.hearing this afternoon, for calling the Wales player

:08:07. > :08:09.Samson Lee "Gypsy boy". Marler made the comment

:08:10. > :08:11.during England's Six Nations game Marler has issued a statement

:08:12. > :08:14.saying he would accept What I said to Samson

:08:15. > :08:19.was out of order and wrong, Details of an independent inquiry

:08:20. > :08:23.into UK Anti-Doping are expected It's in response to allegations

:08:24. > :08:27.a doctor prescribed performance-enhancing

:08:28. > :08:30.drugs to 150 athletes. Kenya, meanwhile, could move

:08:31. > :08:32.closer to a possible ban The country had a deadline

:08:33. > :08:37.to improve its anti-doping procedures and demonstrate

:08:38. > :08:40.that they are tackling cheating in sport, but the World Anti-Doping

:08:41. > :08:42.Agency is expected to find them The Masters in Augusta gets

:08:43. > :08:50.underway on Thursday, and Rory McIlory looks to be warming

:08:51. > :08:53.up for the tournament in some style after landing a hole-in-one

:08:54. > :08:58.at a practice round. Now unfortunately cameras only

:08:59. > :09:00.picked up McIlroy actually picking the ball up from the 16th hole,

:09:01. > :09:03.so you'll have to take our The world number three, though,

:09:04. > :09:07.made one lucky fan's day when he signed

:09:08. > :09:19.the ball and gave it Someone must have footage of that

:09:20. > :09:23.somewhere, with all of the mobile phones around! But unfortunately we

:09:24. > :09:28.don't! I will be back with the headlines at 10:30am.

:09:29. > :09:33.You are right, I am sure we will see it at some stage!

:09:34. > :09:36.The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is calling for the UK to take action

:09:37. > :09:38.against the use of British overseas territories and dependencies

:09:39. > :09:42.The leak of millions of documents from a Panamanian law firm has

:09:43. > :09:44.revealed the rich and powerful globally hiding their wealth

:09:45. > :09:48.More than half of the 200,000 secret companies set up

:09:49. > :09:51.by the lawyers Mossack Fonseca were registered in the British Virgin

:09:52. > :10:01.We will speak to Jeremy Corbyn in the next few minutes.

:10:02. > :10:04.The latest revelations also show that Mossack Fonseca kept clients

:10:05. > :10:05.who became subject to international sanctions.

:10:06. > :10:07.They included companies linked to North Korea's nuclear weapons

:10:08. > :11:08.programme, and a close relative of Syria's President Assad.

:11:09. > :11:10.Prosecutors in Panama say they will launch a criminal

:11:11. > :11:18.Many of you have already told us you're far from surprised at these

:11:19. > :11:20.revelations - and whilst it may all sound like big money swirling

:11:21. > :11:22.around amongst the rich and completely remote

:11:23. > :11:25.from your own life, there is a key reason to care.

:11:26. > :11:28.If the world's most powerful people are paying less tax that means

:11:29. > :11:34.there is less money going into the Government to pay

:11:35. > :11:36.for things like schools, hospitals, road-building programmes, etc.

:11:37. > :11:42.And that's why the Prime Minister is being urged to take action.

:11:43. > :11:45.We can speak with our assistant political editor Norman Smith

:11:46. > :11:48.who is in Harlow in Essex where the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn

:11:49. > :11:49.is due to give a speech on tax avoidance.

:11:50. > :11:55.Thank you, Mr Corbyn is in a cafe meeting local members of the

:11:56. > :12:00.community in Harlow, but all of the papers today focused on this big

:12:01. > :12:07.story about tax avoidance, David Cameron of course being sucked into

:12:08. > :12:11.this because of his father, Ian Cameron, who the leaks disclose had

:12:12. > :12:15.an offshore fund in the Bahamas, the Government coming under pressure to

:12:16. > :12:19.be seen to be doing more to crack down on tax of Asian and tax

:12:20. > :12:24.avoidance. Speaking to Downing Street broke this morning, they have

:12:25. > :12:32.defended their response so far -- tax evasion. They said the Prime

:12:33. > :12:36.Minister has sought to introduce a register of beneficial ownerships,

:12:37. > :12:42.so you can see who owns companies, they have sought a ban of things

:12:43. > :12:46.which provide people with anonymity, said they take the view they have

:12:47. > :12:51.done it all blood but there is growing momentum to do more. I am

:12:52. > :12:54.hoping we can grab Mr Corbyn in a few seconds if he would be good

:12:55. > :12:57.enough to come over here, but we might just have to pan a bit

:12:58. > :13:07.otherwise I may have to walk over and grab him if he is not ready to

:13:08. > :13:12.come over. Corbyn? Mr Corbyn, could I grab a word with you if you want

:13:13. > :13:16.to sit down over here, please? Thank you very much. Labour Leader Jeremy

:13:17. > :13:20.Corbyn just joining us, here for the Labour local election launch, but

:13:21. > :13:24.you have had strong words to say following the leaks from Panama

:13:25. > :13:27.about extensive tax avoidance that appears to have emerged there. You

:13:28. > :13:31.have said that you think the Government is paying lip service to

:13:32. > :13:38.tackling this. What do you mean by that? We have got revelations of tax

:13:39. > :13:42.avoidance on an industrial scale, companies being set up in the

:13:43. > :13:46.British Virgin Islands then moving across to Panama, not paying any tax

:13:47. > :13:50.anywhere, and in the case of the British Virgin Islands it is a

:13:51. > :13:54.British colonial dependent territory, so surely to goodness we

:13:55. > :13:58.can at least have stopped tax evasion and avoidance in British

:13:59. > :14:02.controlled territories? This has to be addressed. This is money that is

:14:03. > :14:08.taken from our health service, our local services, from people that

:14:09. > :14:15.needed to losing out because of tax avoidance. So what should the do?

:14:16. > :14:18.You say tax avoidance is happening in British Overseas Territories and

:14:19. > :14:22.dependencies, what do you want the Government to do to stop that? And

:14:23. > :14:25.examination of those who have placed money that you appear to have done

:14:26. > :14:30.it to avoid tax, and come after them to collect that tax back. We need to

:14:31. > :14:33.properly resourced and fund the HMRC, the revenues and custom

:14:34. > :14:38.servers, so that they have the staff to go after these people and

:14:39. > :14:42.investigate this, but secondly said to the Government, those who

:14:43. > :14:46.administer the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, and number

:14:47. > :14:50.of other places, hang on, you are a government of a British dependent

:14:51. > :14:55.territory, a Crown territory, you must abide by UK tax law, you must

:14:56. > :14:59.not become a harbour the tax avoidance and tax evasion and the

:15:00. > :15:04.more revelations come out about this Panama bank, the more murky it all

:15:05. > :15:08.becomes. We heard from the former Liberal Democrat Business Secretary

:15:09. > :15:12.Vince Cable last night who said the Government should oppose direct rule

:15:13. > :15:16.on his British Overseas Territories and dependencies, do you agree with

:15:17. > :15:21.that? That is what was done during the financial crisis where direct

:15:22. > :15:24.rule was opposed, I don't particularly have a problem with

:15:25. > :15:29.that because of the local Government in the area, the government of those

:15:30. > :15:33.places, is going to condone this level of companies and tax avoidance

:15:34. > :15:37.and tax evasion, of money that has been made in Britain through

:15:38. > :15:42.business trading saw investment in Britain, then that is something that

:15:43. > :15:46.has to be considered. I suppose the difficulty is these are

:15:47. > :15:50.self-governing autonomous jurisdictions, so it would be an

:15:51. > :15:53.enormous, presumably very complex, legal step for the British

:15:54. > :15:58.Government to say, we are taking charge? But the point is they are

:15:59. > :16:03.not independent territories, they are self-governing, yes, but they

:16:04. > :16:07.are British Crown dependent territories, therefore, surely, that

:16:08. > :16:13.has to be observant of UK tax law in those places. If they have become a

:16:14. > :16:17.place for systematic evasion and short-changing of the public in this

:16:18. > :16:22.country, then something has to be done. Either those governments

:16:23. > :16:27.comply, or some next step has to be taken. And that's next step would be

:16:28. > :16:30.direct will? What sort of time frame? It can be done quickly if

:16:31. > :16:36.that is what the Government decides to do. From the UK? It can be done

:16:37. > :16:42.almost immediately. The point is those dependent territories have got

:16:43. > :16:46.to understand the anger of people in this country when they read of this

:16:47. > :16:50.industrial scale of tax avoidance and evasion. What do you say to

:16:51. > :16:53.Number Ten, you say, hang on, Britain has been in the lead, we

:16:54. > :16:56.have done more than any other country in the world in terms of

:16:57. > :16:59.trying to ensure greater transparency?

:17:00. > :17:05.Well, saying you are in the lead and being in the lead are often two

:17:06. > :17:07.entirely different things. Yes, there has been good rhetoric and

:17:08. > :17:12.yes, there has been good statements, but the revelations from one legal

:17:13. > :17:16.firm in Panama of evasion in Panama and the link to British dependant

:17:17. > :17:22.territories because of that tends to indicate that they are talking a

:17:23. > :17:27.great deal, but not walking much. Mr Cameron's name crops up again and

:17:28. > :17:31.again because of his father. Do you think Mr Cameron has questions to

:17:32. > :17:34.answer personally? Well, there are questions that have been placed

:17:35. > :17:39.there about his family's estate and about his father's investments. They

:17:40. > :17:42.must be part of that investigation. The investigation must be

:17:43. > :17:46.independent, fast, thorough and fair so that we get to the bottom of

:17:47. > :17:50.this, but people that have made a great deal of money over decades, by

:17:51. > :17:54.sieve fonding their wealth out of Britain, putting it in a tax haven

:17:55. > :17:58.somewhere around the world are actually short changing the people

:17:59. > :18:02.of this country. I know you have got to rush. Let me ask you one more if

:18:03. > :18:05.I may. Mr Cameron had previously talked about publishing his tax

:18:06. > :18:09.returns. Now that hasn't happened. Would you publish your tax returns

:18:10. > :18:14.and do you think ministers should publish their tax returns? I have no

:18:15. > :18:17.problem whatsoever in publishing my tax returns as indeed most other

:18:18. > :18:21.people don't because... And you would do that? My income is what I

:18:22. > :18:24.earn as a member of Parliament. What do you think ministers should do

:18:25. > :18:27.because there is an argument to say it is a confidential matter, a

:18:28. > :18:30.private matter, tax affairs are about personal matters? Well, I

:18:31. > :18:34.think we need to know where somebody's income comes from and in

:18:35. > :18:39.that sense it should be open and above board because the public need

:18:40. > :18:42.to have confidence that their representatives in Parliament, their

:18:43. > :18:45.representatives, their ministers are getting their income from honest and

:18:46. > :18:49.open sources as members of Parliament.

:18:50. > :18:53.Mr Corbyn, thank you. I know your minders are telling me to wind up

:18:54. > :18:57.and you have a local election launch and I will let you get off to that.

:18:58. > :19:01.Interesting there Mr Corbyn suggesting some form of the direct

:19:02. > :19:05.rule should be considered of these overseas territories to ensure they

:19:06. > :19:09.comply with British tax rules and saying, of course, interesting he

:19:10. > :19:13.would be happy to publish his tax returns and urging ministers to do

:19:14. > :19:17.the same. So I suppose the story which started out really as a

:19:18. > :19:19.scandal about leaks, it is becoming increasingly political now.

:19:20. > :19:24.Thank you, Norman. Still to come: Sentenced

:19:25. > :19:25.in Northern Ireland We'll bring you the story of a woman

:19:26. > :19:48.to be given such a penalty The final members of an organised

:19:49. > :19:52.crime gang will be sentenced later for a series of museum raids that

:19:53. > :19:55.police say amounted to far more than the total stolen

:19:56. > :19:56.at Hatton Gardens. Other members of the gang

:19:57. > :19:59.were jailed for between four and six years and eight months yesterday,

:20:00. > :20:02.after plotting to steal rhino horn and Chinese artefacts worth up

:20:03. > :20:05.to ?57 million in a series Rhino horn is worth more

:20:06. > :20:08.than gold and cocaine. Our correspondent Jo Black

:20:09. > :20:12.is at Birmingham Crown Court. Jo tell us what they have been found

:20:13. > :20:15.guilty of? Good morning, Joanna. This is day two of sentencing at

:20:16. > :20:17.Birmingham Crown Court. The gang, 14 strong, were found guilty of

:20:18. > :20:21.conspiracy to steal and this, these convictions took place over three

:20:22. > :20:24.trials. The media weren't allowed to report until they had concluded.

:20:25. > :20:28.They concluded at the end of February. Then the reporting

:20:29. > :20:32.restrictions were lifted and of course, the sentencing is taking

:20:33. > :20:38.place. There was some sentences yesterday for seven of the gang.

:20:39. > :20:42.Sentences handed down for four years for one defendant and six years and

:20:43. > :20:45.eight months for another defendant. Today we have another six defendants

:20:46. > :20:49.appearing and they will be sentenced. If you speak to the

:20:50. > :20:53.detectives involved in this case, and I have one of them here with me,

:20:54. > :20:57.and I will speak to him in a moment, but they will tell you the items

:20:58. > :21:02.stolen, the value of those dwarfed what happened at the hat on Garden

:21:03. > :21:06.heist in London. Conservative estimates say the artefacts taken

:21:07. > :21:10.were around ?18 million, but police think that they could have fetched

:21:11. > :21:14.around three times that amount on the booming Chinese auction market.

:21:15. > :21:18.Well, Direct agree Green is with me now. Let's have a little chat

:21:19. > :21:22.with him. This is a very complicated case for you? Very complicated. It

:21:23. > :21:26.has taken four years to get to this point. It has been an international

:21:27. > :21:30.investigation and involved all the law enforcement agencies in the UK

:21:31. > :21:34.and abroad to piece together what happened so we could get the

:21:35. > :21:38.convictions. These were the masterminds. The guys who did the

:21:39. > :21:44.smash and grabs and went into the museums and took the artefacts, they

:21:45. > :21:48.have been dealt with by local police forces, these were the masterminds,

:21:49. > :21:54.the judge said it was a sophisticated operation, but there

:21:55. > :21:58.were bungling attempts to snatch stuff, at the Norwich Asle Museum

:21:59. > :22:04.they tried to steal a rhino head and couldn't do it. 16 people have been

:22:05. > :22:07.convicted for these burglaries, they smashed a cabinet in Durham and lost

:22:08. > :22:13.the items stolen from another Is dent in Durham and that's because of

:22:14. > :22:18.the people that they -- incident in Durham and that's because of the

:22:19. > :22:23.people they hireked and the fits William was a success for them, but

:22:24. > :22:28.a tragedy for the UK. The fits William Museum in Cambridge was the

:22:29. > :22:34.jackpot for the thieves, that's where they stole most of the items,

:22:35. > :22:37.mainly jade? It is part of an international collection. The other

:22:38. > :22:43.half is in the British Museum and it is a real tragedy and high value, 18

:22:44. > :22:48.pieces and lost from the UK. Do you think people appreciate the value of

:22:49. > :22:51.these items? We were saying they are conservative estimates of ?18

:22:52. > :22:54.million, but they could have fetched three times that amount? Do you

:22:55. > :22:57.think people appreciate the loss to the UK? I don't think they

:22:58. > :23:02.appreciate the loss to the UK, but we have been working with the museum

:23:03. > :23:07.sector and part of my terms of reference has been crime prevention,

:23:08. > :23:11.we have done a lot of work with the museum sector and stately homes. No

:23:12. > :23:14.rhino horn is on display and museums have ramped up security, but that's

:23:15. > :23:18.come at a cost and unfortunately that will transfer on to the public

:23:19. > :23:21.again. Detective Green, thank you very much

:23:22. > :23:25.indeed. Museums have ramped up security as a result of this case

:23:26. > :23:28.and as I say, six more defendants will be sentenced in the next half

:23:29. > :23:31.an hour. Thanks, Jo.

:23:32. > :23:32.Christopher Marinello, runs Art Recovery International,

:23:33. > :23:41.How would you describe the loss here? This is a major cultural loss

:23:42. > :23:46.for the United Kingdom. These pieces may not be seen again for another

:23:47. > :23:51.generation. And obviously with the rhino horn, it is not wanted for its

:23:52. > :23:56.artistic, anything artistic, it is about grinding it down and using it

:23:57. > :23:59.in alternative medicine. The value for that is extraordinary? That's

:24:00. > :24:06.right. It is almost like cocaine. They will grind it down and use it

:24:07. > :24:11.for medicinal purposes. It does nothing and the Chinese authorities

:24:12. > :24:14.could come out and make a pronunciation and say, "Look, you

:24:15. > :24:18.are wasting your money and stop this trade from happening." But they

:24:19. > :24:26.won't. Is this all about a Chinese market for these things? It is all

:24:27. > :24:34.China. The rhino horn is prized in China and the jade right now, the

:24:35. > :24:38.Chinese stock market is in flux and Chinese, wealthy Chinese are looking

:24:39. > :24:42.for a hedge and it is the jade that they really prize.

:24:43. > :24:46.Is st stolen to order? Are these things stolen because it is known

:24:47. > :24:50.that there is a market for nem? There are middle men, fences, who

:24:51. > :24:57.have contacts and know where to get rid of this stuff. So the rovers

:24:58. > :25:01.that were arrested in this raid had contacts with people who could

:25:02. > :25:06.quickly turn these items into cash in Hong Kong and in China. How is

:25:07. > :25:10.there a market? It is stolen goods. Are people aware that what they are

:25:11. > :25:16.buying is something that's stolen? Well, that's the thing. We run a

:25:17. > :25:19.database called the Art Claim Database that people should be

:25:20. > :25:24.checking before they buy or sell these items so they can check if

:25:25. > :25:27.they are stolen, the Chinese market is reluctant to do that. It is hard

:25:28. > :25:32.enough to get the market in the UK and the western world to do due

:25:33. > :25:36.diligence, but China and other eastern countries, it is almost

:25:37. > :25:41.nonexistent. Christopher, thank you very much.

:25:42. > :25:43.Still to come: Rolling Stones fans will get more than they want

:25:44. > :25:47.and need as the first ever exhibition on one of the most famous

:25:48. > :25:52.The England prop Joe Marler faces an independent World Rugby

:25:53. > :25:56.misconduct hearing this afternoon, for using a racial slur

:25:57. > :25:58.towards Wales prop, Samson Lee, during a Six Nations

:25:59. > :26:04.The phrase he used was "gypsy boy", an offensive term to many

:26:05. > :26:19.Well, Six Nations organisers had ruled Marler would not be punished

:26:20. > :26:23.for his comments but World Rugby, which governs the international

:26:24. > :26:25.game say it "amounts to misconduct and/or a breach"

:26:26. > :26:32.He has apologised on Twitter, saying that "one mistake" doesn't

:26:33. > :26:37.And that he'll accept whatever punishment is handed to him.

:26:38. > :26:40.We can speak now to Billy Joe Saunders, the world middleweight

:26:41. > :26:44.champion boxer, who is from the traveller community.

:26:45. > :26:49.Thank you very much for coming in and talking to us about this. A

:26:50. > :26:53.pleasure. Do you find a term like that offensive? In our culture we

:26:54. > :26:59.have had this most of our life. It has not been so bad in the last few

:27:00. > :27:03.years, you know, but when you get it on social media by, I like to call

:27:04. > :27:08.them Twitter trolls, Facebook trolls, it doesn't mean as much, but

:27:09. > :27:11.when you get it in sport, you know, that's just not, it is not

:27:12. > :27:17.acceptable. Any racism in any sport and we find that racism. Have you

:27:18. > :27:22.had it much? I have had all my life mostly, but I have never had it in

:27:23. > :27:28.my sport by another sportsman. I was a fan of rugby and I speak on behalf

:27:29. > :27:32.of probably of the travelling gypsy community out there that probably, I

:27:33. > :27:37.probably won't watch England play rugby anymore. There are words that

:27:38. > :27:42.people just won't use, it is universally accepted that they are

:27:43. > :27:48.offensive terms. Do you think that this phrase using the word, "Gypsy"

:27:49. > :27:51.In an offensive way isn't regarded by some in a certain way because it

:27:52. > :27:56.is not had the same level of awareness perhaps as other terms?

:27:57. > :28:03.Well, yeah, I mean, I feel that this should be a big part of racism. I

:28:04. > :28:07.mean, just for an example a friend of mine on Facebook, she was friends

:28:08. > :28:12.with someone and got chucked off Facebook because they used a term,

:28:13. > :28:16."Piky" It shows that it is, you know, it is catching it elsewhere,

:28:17. > :28:19.but this is not acceptable in sport and especially not at the standard

:28:20. > :28:27.of England professional rugby player. It should never be using

:28:28. > :28:30.that language. Joe Marler says it was a misguided remark and he has

:28:31. > :28:36.been warned and he will conduct himself differently in future. It is

:28:37. > :28:40.obviously an issue that's been looked at. In terms of it becoming

:28:41. > :28:45.something discussed as a result of what he said, do you think it could

:28:46. > :28:49.end up actually having a positive outcome and making people aware of

:28:50. > :28:54.the sensitivities and how much upset something like this can cause? Most

:28:55. > :29:01.definitely. Other people will think twice before using the term in an

:29:02. > :29:06.offensive way, but you know, like I say, there is no room for any racism

:29:07. > :29:11.in our sport. Especially not the standard that he's playing at. To be

:29:12. > :29:14.fair, I have spoken to a couple of people and another friend of mine

:29:15. > :29:23.Tyson Fury was on the phone last night and was talking about it, we

:29:24. > :29:26.are both disgusted over it. Tyson Fury talked about home sexuality in

:29:27. > :29:31.a way people find offensive. Do you think sometimes people don't

:29:32. > :29:35.necessarily apply their own sensitivities about something that

:29:36. > :29:39.affects them to other people. I think some people say stuff in the

:29:40. > :29:43.moment, but you know, just because of the colour of your skin or what

:29:44. > :29:50.background you're from, it doesn't mean we are different from anybody

:29:51. > :29:55.else. We are all human beings and everybody makes mistakes, but you

:29:56. > :29:58.know not on TV and in a big game like that, you don't, you just

:29:59. > :30:04.don't, it is not acceptable, I don't think. Nick Blackwell, you are a

:30:05. > :30:09.friend of his and he is out of a coma? Yes, he has been out since

:30:10. > :30:15.Saturday. A big relief. I'm very happy. People ask me all the time

:30:16. > :30:20.how was he? I spoke to his dad a couple of times or once and a couple

:30:21. > :30:24.of his friends, but at a time like this, the family needs a little bit

:30:25. > :30:28.of space from, you know, I know people are concerned how he is and

:30:29. > :30:33.that, but they have, it is a big shock to the family and I think they

:30:34. > :30:39.need a little bit of space to take in what happened. Chris Eubank

:30:40. > :30:43.Junior wants a rematch, would you do it? Listen, I have beaten him once,

:30:44. > :30:48.I have got no problem giving him a rematch, but they are a headache to

:30:49. > :30:53.deal with. I'm up there at the minute and he is chasing me. So I

:30:54. > :30:56.suppose another win or two for him at high calibre opponents and maybe

:30:57. > :30:58.we can do business. All right, watch this space. Thank you very much.

:30:59. > :31:10.Thank you. Why are so few dads taking shared

:31:11. > :31:15.parental leave a year after it was introduced? Former culture secretary

:31:16. > :31:19.says it does note -- does not go far enough, we will speak to her and

:31:20. > :31:22.some doubts have taken it up. Mick Jagger tells us that the

:31:23. > :31:26.Rolling Stones are the greatest band in rock history, we will speak to

:31:27. > :31:27.him and the rest of the band as a new exhibition charting their opened

:31:28. > :31:32.in London. Maxine Mawhinney is

:31:33. > :31:34.in the BBC Newsroom. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has

:31:35. > :31:40.told this programme that investigators have to 'get

:31:41. > :31:43.to the bottom' of the offshore It follows the leak of millions

:31:44. > :31:50.of documents from a Panamanian law firm showing that more than half

:31:51. > :31:52.of the 200,000 secret companies set up by the lawyers

:31:53. > :31:54.Mossack Fonseca were registered Mr Corbyn is claiming there is "one

:31:55. > :32:10.set of rules for the wealthy elite They are not independent

:32:11. > :32:13.territories, they are self-governing, yes, but they are

:32:14. > :32:17.British Crown dependent territories, so surely there has to be an

:32:18. > :32:21.observance of UK tax law in those places. If they have become a place

:32:22. > :32:25.for systematic evasion and short-changing of the public in this

:32:26. > :32:27.country, then something has to be done about it.

:32:28. > :32:30.The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is due to meet Sanjeev Gupta -

:32:31. > :32:32.a potential buyer of the Port Talbot steelworks -

:32:33. > :32:35.today before flying to India this evening for talks with the chairman

:32:36. > :32:38.of Tata group, the current owner of the loss-making plant.

:32:39. > :32:43.The First Minister of Wales, Carwyn Jones, is at Number Ten today

:32:44. > :32:48.for talks on the steel crisis with David Cameron.

:32:49. > :32:53.The Prime Minister and I have committed to regular meetings as the

:32:54. > :32:57.situation develops. It was heartening to hear that nothing is

:32:58. > :33:01.off the table, there was acceptance of the issues that need to be looked

:33:02. > :33:05.at in order for the sale to take place, the issue of energy prices

:33:06. > :33:09.will have to be looked at, and indeed the issue of tariffs to

:33:10. > :33:14.protect UK steel in the future. Discussions have taken place with

:33:15. > :33:15.buyers, it is early days yet but we do have something to build on even

:33:16. > :33:17.at this early stage. A 13-year-old boy who went missing

:33:18. > :33:20.two days ago has been found safe James Whalley was last seen

:33:21. > :33:24.by his family at home in Holcombe The police wouldn't say

:33:25. > :33:30.where he was found, or by whom. Two of the Queen's official

:33:31. > :33:32.residences are to get Work will begin next year

:33:33. > :33:36.on Windsor Castle and the Palace The renovations will be paid

:33:37. > :33:43.for by the Royal Collection Trust, with money raised from admissions

:33:44. > :33:46.to royal residences, including Buckingham Palace,

:33:47. > :33:52.and gift shop takings. That's a summary of the latest news,

:33:53. > :33:55.join me for BBC Newsroom Boxer Nick Blackwell has awoken

:33:56. > :34:08.from his induced coma. He suffered a bleed on his skull

:34:09. > :34:11.following his British title fight with Chris Eubank Junior

:34:12. > :34:15.just over a week ago. Blackwell's promoter

:34:16. > :34:17.Hennessey Sports says he was talking to family and friends

:34:18. > :34:19.as his bedside this weekend. Now, Eubank Junior

:34:20. > :34:21.is keen to visit him. Antonio Conte is the new

:34:22. > :34:23.head coach at Chelsea. He'll start in the summer

:34:24. > :34:26.after leading his national side As boss of Italian club Juventus,

:34:27. > :34:34.Conte won the Serie A league title Former England women football

:34:35. > :34:40.manager Hope Powell has joined the Professional Football

:34:41. > :34:42.Association's coaching department. Powell is the first woman coach

:34:43. > :34:45.educator to work for the football union, and will help professional

:34:46. > :34:48.male and female players become England's Joe Marler has insisted

:34:49. > :34:53.he is not a racist ahead of his World Rugby disciplinary

:34:54. > :34:55.hearing this afternoon for calling the Wales player

:34:56. > :34:58.Samson Lee "Gypsy boy". Marler made the comment

:34:59. > :35:00.during England's Six Nations game Marler has issued a statement

:35:01. > :35:03.saying he would accept That is all the sport for this

:35:04. > :35:18.morning. The former Culture Secretary

:35:19. > :35:20.has told this programme that the Government needs to reform

:35:21. > :35:22.parental leave more quickly, or risk skilled women

:35:23. > :35:26.missing out on top jobs. Maria Miller, who now chairs

:35:27. > :35:28.the Women and Equalities Committee, says some men are still reluctant

:35:29. > :35:31.to take part in it. It comes a year to the day that

:35:32. > :35:34.parents were first allowed to share time off from work after the birth

:35:35. > :35:37.or adoption of their child. Up to 50 weeks of leave -

:35:38. > :35:41.37 weeks of which is paid - There are no official figures

:35:42. > :35:46.for how many parents have taken up the deal,

:35:47. > :35:50.but the Government predicts We can talk to some parents

:35:51. > :35:56.who all shared their parental leave. Mark Smith, who only went

:35:57. > :36:02.back to work on Monday. The only one on the set without a

:36:03. > :36:06.baby this morning! Ben Dixon and partner

:36:07. > :36:08.Eleanor Hoyle, who are here with their seven-month-old

:36:09. > :36:09.baby Isaac. And Adam Shoesmith, who's

:36:10. > :36:25.here with baby Edwin, Ben and Aluna, how did it work? When

:36:26. > :36:28.I was pregnant, it was being advertised and we thought, that is a

:36:29. > :36:32.great idea, let's see if it will work for us. We both work in the

:36:33. > :36:36.public sector and our employers had good policies, it made sense for us

:36:37. > :36:41.financially. Ben got to have some time at home with Isaac. For me, it

:36:42. > :36:45.was more a question of, why wouldn't I do it? If he had been born one

:36:46. > :36:48.year ago I would not have had the option, I would have had to go back

:36:49. > :36:58.to work. So you didn't need persuading? Not really, no. For me,

:36:59. > :37:03.I would rather be sitting singing Wind Of The Bobbin Up than whatever

:37:04. > :37:08.I did at work! It was a no-brainer, really. Digital have any concerns

:37:09. > :37:15.about the impact of parental leave your career? -- did either of you

:37:16. > :37:19.have? Not really, we spoke to our employers about how we would do it,

:37:20. > :37:23.how it would work, we had keeping in touch days if we needed to do that

:37:24. > :37:27.during our leave, but absolutely not, if you want to do it then you

:37:28. > :37:32.should, you should talk to your employer about it and raise those

:37:33. > :37:39.concerns if you have them. Adam, you have Edwin with you, you are holding

:37:40. > :37:46.the pool, obviously. What did you end up doing? My wife and I had a

:37:47. > :37:49.discussion when we found that she was expecting, she loves her job and

:37:50. > :37:55.wanted to go back. The other thing I did was to speak to a lot of dads,

:37:56. > :37:58.whether their child was one-year-old, six, 16, everybody

:37:59. > :38:01.says there is so much change in the first year and if they could have

:38:02. > :38:07.their time again they would take some time off. For me, taking six

:38:08. > :38:13.months out of my career, given that I may have another 30, 40 years of

:38:14. > :38:17.work to go, it was a no-brainer decision, it was easy to make and

:38:18. > :38:23.I'm towards the end of my leave, I'm glad I have done it. How have others

:38:24. > :38:27.around you seen it? They have been positive and supportive. I guess one

:38:28. > :38:33.of the issues is that the mother goes back to work, that has worked

:38:34. > :38:37.out well for us, she just got a promotion so that has been

:38:38. > :38:43.brilliant. Both of our employers have been really positive and

:38:44. > :38:48.supportive. It was the first and they had been through it but they

:38:49. > :38:52.helped us, so that was good. Mark, you are senior in your company, you

:38:53. > :38:56.have done it, and for someone at your level in particular it sends

:38:57. > :38:59.out quite a message to the firm? I work for a very progressive

:39:00. > :39:06.organisation, we came up with a package where I get full salary and

:39:07. > :39:11.benefits the 32 weeks. I hope to be a role model, to be a person who can

:39:12. > :39:15.say, you can do it. Our organisation is absolutely committed to be able

:39:16. > :39:19.to do it, and I can say that it is not detrimental to your career, we

:39:20. > :39:23.are promoting some people who are off on shared parental leave at the

:39:24. > :39:28.moment. Had you come across anyone who has raised any concerns about

:39:29. > :39:34.career? It is expected there will be owned both take-up of this, two to

:39:35. > :39:39.8% of people who are eligible, and career concerns are cited as one of

:39:40. > :39:43.the issues. Absolutely, people do, the same as any decisions you are

:39:44. > :39:47.making, it is a big decision, changing some priorities in your

:39:48. > :39:53.life. I wanted to spend the first year, as much as I could, with my

:39:54. > :39:57.son. I think people think about it initially, but we can reassure them

:39:58. > :40:02.that it is OK, it will not impact their career. Let's go to Maria

:40:03. > :40:06.Miller, former culture secretary and Conservative MP. Thank you for

:40:07. > :40:09.joining us, we are joined in the studio by people who see the very

:40:10. > :40:17.positive side of this, but the take-up is expected to be between

:40:18. > :40:21.two and 8%, are you disappointed with that? It is great to hear how

:40:22. > :40:25.well the policy is working for the fathers you have got in the studio

:40:26. > :40:30.today, and how well it is working for their partners as well. This

:40:31. > :40:34.policy was always going to be a first step in the right direction,

:40:35. > :40:38.and what the Government really needs to do now is to seize the

:40:39. > :40:41.opportunity of record numbers of women in work, we have got more

:40:42. > :40:58.women than ever before coming out of universities with the best

:40:59. > :41:01.degrees, we need to press forward with the modernisation of the

:41:02. > :41:04.workplace and make sure shared parental leave for work for more

:41:05. > :41:06.people in the future, and that was the recommendation in my Select

:41:07. > :41:09.Committee's report last month. How did you make it more acceptable for

:41:10. > :41:12.men to take time off work in this way? It has to be more acceptable

:41:13. > :41:14.for employers, we have to see the cultural change that the dads have

:41:15. > :41:17.just been talking about. If we want to get the best out of our

:41:18. > :41:19.workforce, we have to make sure they can balance their home life

:41:20. > :41:21.responsibilities and work like responsibilities. What concrete

:41:22. > :41:24.measures, practical measures, can be done to make it more culturally

:41:25. > :41:30.acceptable? Cultural change obviously happens over time, but in

:41:31. > :41:35.order to really get momentum going with that, can you see some more

:41:36. > :41:42.practical ways of helping to foment change? We looked at what happened

:41:43. > :41:46.in Germany when they put in place a three-month nontransferable leave

:41:47. > :41:51.for fathers. The increase in the number of dads taking part was huge,

:41:52. > :41:56.so this is a very tangible way that the Government could kick-start this

:41:57. > :42:04.policy, put in, we believe, at the end of other's maternity rights, and

:42:05. > :42:08.nontransferable months leave the dads. It not only encourages dads to

:42:09. > :42:11.have the experience you have just heard about from the dads in the

:42:12. > :42:15.studio but enables women to get back into the workplace, not suffer

:42:16. > :42:19.problems many women have in getting back into work after they have had

:42:20. > :42:23.their children, but also it needs to go hand-in-hand with more flexible

:42:24. > :42:29.jobs so that mums and dads up and down the country can better balance

:42:30. > :42:33.work and home life on a long-term basis. When it is a situation where

:42:34. > :42:37.it is women who are normally shouldering the responsibility of it

:42:38. > :42:42.and the time-out, what impact does it have on careers? It has a huge

:42:43. > :42:46.impact, the gender pay gap is now in this country is still 20% and gets

:42:47. > :42:50.worse for women as they get older because they simply cannot get the

:42:51. > :42:55.quality part-time work or flexible work that they need to be able to

:42:56. > :42:57.balance caring responsibilities with worklife. By getting more dads

:42:58. > :43:21.involved, it helps take some of that pressure away, but it is also

:43:22. > :43:24.good for the kids as well and for the dads, and on international men's

:43:25. > :43:26.day last year in the House of Commons we debated some of the

:43:27. > :43:28.problems that men have in this country around gender stereotypes,

:43:29. > :43:30.high-level of suicide, very problematic in this country, so

:43:31. > :43:33.gender stereotypes are not just a problem for women but for men as

:43:34. > :43:36.well. One man got in touch to say he did it and it was great but HR was

:43:37. > :43:39.brought. Another says, I missed out big time. One says, I am all for

:43:40. > :43:41.gender equality and dads spending time with their children but dads

:43:42. > :43:44.cannot breast-feed, and the NHS rightly talks about the benefits of

:43:45. > :43:48.breast-feeding exclusively for the first six months, they are widely

:43:49. > :43:54.documented. What do you say to that? That is why our committee decided we

:43:55. > :43:59.would put the dads leave, second parent leave, at the end of the

:44:00. > :44:02.maternity leave, so that it gives dads three months nonstop --

:44:03. > :44:07.nontransferable to the mums, at a time when babies and young

:44:08. > :44:11.children... But it is two aspects of public policy, health policy,

:44:12. > :44:15.effectively at odds with each other, isn't it? Many mothers already have

:44:16. > :44:19.to go back to work before they have decided to stop speeding their

:44:20. > :44:24.children and there are ways to get around that in terms of expressing

:44:25. > :44:28.milk -- to stop breast-feeding their children. It is down to parents to

:44:29. > :44:31.decide this, nobody will put a straitjacket on to the way that

:44:32. > :44:34.parents want to parent their children but we need to have legs

:44:35. > :44:40.ability in the other direction as well so that more dads can become

:44:41. > :44:43.involved, giving children the -- given women the opportunity to reach

:44:44. > :44:48.their potential in the workplace and not be hampered by being the only

:44:49. > :44:50.one that can take leave. At the moment, too few dads are

:44:51. > :44:55.anticipating taking the lead. With the policy as it is now, it should

:44:56. > :44:58.be a first step and the Government has a great opportunity to

:44:59. > :45:03.revolutionise the British workplace and let women play their full part.

:45:04. > :45:06.Thank you very much, Maria Miller, and three dads in the studio leading

:45:07. > :45:08.the way, thank you very much. Thank you.

:45:09. > :45:11.A young woman who bought abortion pills on the internet

:45:12. > :45:13.because she lived in Northern Ireland where she wasn't

:45:14. > :45:15.legally allowed a termination - has been given a suspended jail

:45:16. > :45:20.The woman, who was 19 at the time, couldn't afford to travel to England

:45:21. > :45:23.Earlier I spoke to Katherine O'Brien from the British Pregnancy

:45:24. > :45:25.Advisory Service - that helps many women

:45:26. > :45:28.from Northern Ireland who want an abortion.

:45:29. > :45:34.The fact this woman has been given any kind of prison sentence for

:45:35. > :45:38.ending a pregnancy is a appalling and really speaks to the Draconian

:45:39. > :45:42.nature of abortion laws in Northern Ireland. This was a 19-year-old

:45:43. > :45:46.woman without the finances to travel abroad to end a pregnancy and really

:45:47. > :45:54.in that situation, she had no other option. We hear from women every day

:45:55. > :46:00.and we see women every every day from Northern Ireland every day in

:46:01. > :46:03.our clinics. These are women with lives and with children and

:46:04. > :46:06.responsibilities at home and the fact their Government are forcing

:46:07. > :46:09.them at a huge personal and financial cost to travel abroad, it

:46:10. > :46:14.is heartbreaking for our staff to see. Liam Gibson from the society

:46:15. > :46:17.for t pro Society for the Protection of Unborn Children joins us from

:46:18. > :46:20.Belfast. Thank you for joining us. How do you see this? The first

:46:21. > :46:24.prosecution of its kind in Northern Ireland, but it is worth pointing

:46:25. > :46:28.out there have been prosecutions of women who have obtained abortion

:46:29. > :46:34.pills and aborted their own children in England. There has been at least

:46:35. > :46:40.two convictions with much heavier sentences than a suspended sentence

:46:41. > :46:45.in this particular case. So while it is, it is regrettable that any

:46:46. > :46:49.abortion is taking place, it is particularly highlights the damaging

:46:50. > :46:57.effect that a campaign to change the law through breaking the law has had

:46:58. > :47:03.and I think the people who encourage women to take the law into their own

:47:04. > :47:09.hands, to abort their own children, as a way of changing the law should

:47:10. > :47:14.be prosecuted. This young woman, who went to, phoned a clinic in England

:47:15. > :47:19.and was told how and where to get the pills involved which are very,

:47:20. > :47:26.very dangerous pills and potentially can cause death of the woman

:47:27. > :47:34.herself. They instructed her how to get the pills and really, it should

:47:35. > :47:37.be looked into. Abortionists and advocates of abortion, abortion

:47:38. > :47:43.rights are actually promoting the breaking of the law and endangering

:47:44. > :47:47.women's lives. So are you saying that there should be punishment for

:47:48. > :47:51.somebody actually suggesting to somebody? It is a criminal offence

:47:52. > :47:54.to insight someone to break the law and that has to be borne in mind.

:47:55. > :47:59.This is actually part of a campaign in order to force change in Northern

:48:00. > :48:03.Ireland. Now, there is abortion has been an ongoing subject in Northern

:48:04. > :48:06.Ireland and it was recently voted upon and in the Northern Ireland

:48:07. > :48:11.Assembly and it rejected any change in the law, but at that debate, it

:48:12. > :48:18.was clear that there was no support at all in the Assembly for the 1967

:48:19. > :48:22.Abortion Act and that's something that is right across-the-board.

:48:23. > :48:27.Northern Ireland does not like what it see ins Britain where abortion

:48:28. > :48:32.has become so common place and indeed, there was a heartbreaking

:48:33. > :48:37.story in the news yesterday just about a young woman, similar

:48:38. > :48:41.circumstances, to this the woman in Northern Ireland, who actually

:48:42. > :48:46.obtained an abortion and took her own life afterwards. That doesn't

:48:47. > :48:49.get the same media attention as a suspended sentence in Northern

:48:50. > :48:54.Ireland, but really, that is a much more tragic case. I mean just going

:48:55. > :48:58.back to what you're saying about suspended sentence. Yes. Are you

:48:59. > :49:03.saying that's not enough? I'm worried that if this, the gravity of

:49:04. > :49:08.this situation and the danger that's posed by people who are pedalling

:49:09. > :49:14.illegal abortion pills, if that's not taken seriously, then it will

:49:15. > :49:19.only insight further... So you don't think a suspended sentence is taking

:49:20. > :49:24.this seriously enough? I think, there is a concern that if, if the

:49:25. > :49:29.authorities turn a blind eye to it and do nothing about it then it is

:49:30. > :49:34.really putting women in a very, very dangerous position. The abortion

:49:35. > :49:41.pill, it has claimed at least 15 lives that we know of including a

:49:42. > :49:46.woman in Staines, a woman in Bristol, these are very, very

:49:47. > :49:52.dangerous pills. They are lethal to a child obviously, but they can

:49:53. > :49:58.cause huge blood loss, similar to if it goes very, very badly wrong.

:49:59. > :50:03.Similar to a road accident. It can increase the risk of septicaemia and

:50:04. > :50:06.embolism and thrombosis. These are very, very serious conditions. It

:50:07. > :50:13.should not be taken lightly. I mean in this case, the woman who is

:50:14. > :50:18.anonymous, it has been said through her lawyer the reason she took the

:50:19. > :50:23.pills was because she could not afford to travel elsewhere for an

:50:24. > :50:26.abortion. Women in England take the abortion pills and they get them off

:50:27. > :50:30.the internet. That's not the case... She can not get an abortion in

:50:31. > :50:34.Northern Ireland and did not want a baby. What could she have done?

:50:35. > :50:39.Well, it is quite simple. Abortion, for women who are in a crisis

:50:40. > :50:45.pregnancy there are agencies which deal with that very, very

:50:46. > :50:50.effectively without any judgemental attitude, completely free of charge

:50:51. > :50:55.and with utter compassion. There is an option there. It is much, much

:50:56. > :51:01.better than abortion. Abortion has traumatic effect on a woman's

:51:02. > :51:04.emotional life. It can be very, very seriously dangerous physically as

:51:05. > :51:12.well. It is never a good option. It always ends in the death of a child

:51:13. > :51:16.and usually the woman is left traumatised for years, possibly for

:51:17. > :51:20.the rest of her life. That is not a good option and it is something that

:51:21. > :51:25.the people in Northern Ireland have seen for just looking across at what

:51:26. > :51:32.is almost 50 years of abortion has done in Britain and they are frankly

:51:33. > :51:37.appalled by that. You are talking obviously about the vulnerabilities

:51:38. > :51:41.of somebody who is in a situation like this. From what you're saying,

:51:42. > :51:45.it sounds like you would have preferred to see this woman end up

:51:46. > :51:49.in jail rather than be given a suspended sentence? No, I would have

:51:50. > :51:54.preferred she had gone down the route, that many, many women in

:51:55. > :51:58.Northern Ireland go to. Crisis pregnancy centres... Dealing with

:51:59. > :52:03.the situation that as it has been, the fact she did take the pills, it

:52:04. > :52:07.did go through the courts, you think a better outcome would have been a

:52:08. > :52:09.custodial sentence? The law is there to protect women as well as

:52:10. > :52:13.children. No matter how much compassion we have for a mother in a

:52:14. > :52:18.crisis pregnancy, really the taking of the life of a child is something

:52:19. > :52:24.that cannot be overlooked and we have to make sure that we don't low

:52:25. > :52:28.focus of that, that every child regardless of the circumstances of

:52:29. > :52:30.conception, regardless of their disabilities, regardless of the

:52:31. > :52:38.stage of development, they have the same right to life as you or I and

:52:39. > :52:43.so they have their life is just as valuable as yours. Liam Gibson from

:52:44. > :52:48.the society of the protection of the unborn child, thank you.

:52:49. > :52:52.Now, it is 10.52am. Well, who could argue

:52:53. > :52:54.with Mick Jagger when he describes the Rolling Stones as "one

:52:55. > :52:57.of the most important rock bands The group, who have a combined age

:52:58. > :53:02.of 286, have been going for 54 years now, are still touring and still

:53:03. > :53:04.producing stand out records. Their musical career is being

:53:05. > :53:06.celebrated in their first-ever exhibition which opened last

:53:07. > :53:08.night in central London. It includes instruments,

:53:09. > :53:10.costumes and even a recreation of the first flat they shared,

:53:11. > :53:12.complete with smells, charting their long career

:53:13. > :53:15.from a blues band in the early 1960s MUSIC: Start Me Up

:53:16. > :53:27.by the Rolling Stones. We went through the whole idea

:53:28. > :53:30.of the rooms and what was going And it worked out more

:53:31. > :53:35.or less as I thought, so I am kind of pleased

:53:36. > :53:41.with myself on that level. It's a kind of a different aspect

:53:42. > :53:45.of the Stones as a band. All the things that they have

:53:46. > :53:47.done from the beginning It is quite amazing, in a way.

:53:48. > :54:01.You kind of walk through your life. At the moment, I am seeing it

:54:02. > :54:07.as an exhibition as a punter. I try to step back from it.

:54:08. > :54:14.It is quite hard to do, but... I have been living

:54:15. > :54:19.with it for a long time. It's not like suddenly I see it,

:54:20. > :54:22.even though I am seeing it under I haven't had any

:54:23. > :54:25.nostalgia feelings at all. # I know it's only rock

:54:26. > :54:28.'n' roll but I like it. And we just thought, in those days,

:54:29. > :54:33.we thought the people should, that there should be more

:54:34. > :54:35.music available to them, because you are not going to get it

:54:36. > :54:38.from the BBC, at that time! I used to quit at

:54:39. > :54:52.the end of every tour! Playing Brown Sugar for the 50th

:54:53. > :55:09.time after 100 shows of doing it. I mean I don't know how actors do

:55:10. > :55:12.the week and matinees on Wednesday, And then you have a month off

:55:13. > :55:17.and you feel, you think, And then my wife says,

:55:18. > :55:21."It is time you went to work." It's an important rock

:55:22. > :55:31.band did because of its longevity, as you walk

:55:32. > :55:33.through this exhibition, you can see it goes through these

:55:34. > :55:36.different eras and all these different things have happened

:55:37. > :55:38.around the rock band, so it becomes part of more

:55:39. > :55:41.than just being a rock band. It is one of the most

:55:42. > :55:43.important rock bands, We're a great band,

:55:44. > :56:03.and great musicians. And from the very beginning,

:56:04. > :56:05.we actually believed We were not trying

:56:06. > :56:10.to make pop songs. We were the most amazed

:56:11. > :56:14.when we started to hit the charts. You get a couple of hits,

:56:15. > :56:31.then you are drawn into it. I'm very proud of all

:56:32. > :56:39.the things we have achieved and I think this

:56:40. > :56:49.exhibition, it is good scope. We just got out of South America

:56:50. > :56:54.and Cuba and there were kids I think we managed to transcend

:56:55. > :56:58.the flavour of the month, Because we make good

:56:59. > :57:05.music, that's what we do. I don't feel any age

:57:06. > :57:07.at all up there. All I want to do up there is to play

:57:08. > :57:14.at better than I played it before. I wrote a song just before Christmas

:57:15. > :57:21.and the first line is, "Sometimes I wake up feeling 19,

:57:22. > :57:24.sometimes I feel like I'm 99." The first line.

:57:25. > :57:32.Don't nick it! We've got the best

:57:33. > :57:34.couple of guys doing it, haven't we?

:57:35. > :57:35.Mick and Keith. Keith don't have to do anything,

:57:36. > :57:37.everyone thinks it's wonderful. And Mick is wonderful, isn't he?

:57:38. > :57:40.I mean, he's amazing. I think the freshness lays with us

:57:41. > :57:43.not hanging out that When we do get back together again

:57:44. > :57:49.there is a freshness that comes from the first

:57:50. > :57:51.day of rehearsals. And that rings true to going

:57:52. > :57:55.on stage and the performances. I like doing that.

:57:56. > :58:01.I like being with them. Obviously, we have had spats.

:58:02. > :58:04.This is not a secret. But over 54 years we have

:58:05. > :58:07.got on more than we We get a little older

:58:08. > :58:26.and hopefully a little better. The Rolling Stones. Tomorrow, we

:58:27. > :58:30.will hear from a soldier to received the George cap cross for his

:58:31. > :58:31.actions. He is now homeless and living in a