06/04/2016

:00:08. > :00:10.I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, welcome to the programme.

:00:11. > :00:15.Junior doctors have started their fourth strike this year

:00:16. > :00:17.in a row with the Government over the new contract.

:00:18. > :00:23.Also this morning, a soldier who received the George Medal

:00:24. > :00:28.for acts of bravery in Iraq tells us he feels abandoned by the army.

:00:29. > :00:37.I didn't think it would affect me because it didn't feel reality

:00:38. > :00:42.at the time and obviously a year it sinks in and your depression kicks

:00:43. > :00:44.in and your drinking, but you don't realise you're

:00:45. > :00:47.changing, but other people see you are.

:00:48. > :00:49.And, Britain spends more on foreign aid that

:00:50. > :00:54.This morning we really want to hear your views,

:00:55. > :01:09.and we'll hear the arguments for and against just after 9:30am.

:01:10. > :01:13.We're live every weekday morning until 11am.

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:01:36. > :01:39.Junior doctors in England have begun another 48-hour strike, the fourth

:01:40. > :01:44.stoppage in their protracted dispute over new contracts.

:01:45. > :01:46.From 8am junior hospital doctors will be providing

:01:47. > :01:48.emergency care only, so A services will be unaffected.

:01:49. > :01:54.But scheduled operations and treatments are likely to be hit

:01:55. > :02:02.and about 5,000 operations have been cancelled already.

:02:03. > :02:05.Once again, hospitals in England have had to brace themselves

:02:06. > :02:09.for another walk-out by junior doctors, a 48-hour strike

:02:10. > :02:14.for everything apart from emergency care.

:02:15. > :02:17.But NHS chiefs are confident patients will be safe.

:02:18. > :02:19.We have been working very closely with hospitals,

:02:20. > :02:22.to ensure that robust plans are in place to minimise

:02:23. > :02:29.Nevertheless, we will see some operations cancelled.

:02:30. > :02:32.We think that will be in the region of around 5,000 operations.

:02:33. > :02:35.The dispute, which is over a new contract the Government

:02:36. > :02:37.is imposing on junior doctors, has become more

:02:38. > :02:47.The latest strike runs from 8am today until 8am on Friday.

:02:48. > :02:50.It is the fourth strike since January, and as a result more

:02:51. > :02:52.than 24,000 operations and procedures have had

:02:53. > :02:56.But doctors' leaders say that, while they regret the disruption,

:02:57. > :03:02.The Government has every opportunity to stop industrial action,

:03:03. > :03:05.if it would get around the table and talk to us.

:03:06. > :03:07.Unfortunately, the Government refuses to do so.

:03:08. > :03:09.Therefore, the Government has ultimately said

:03:10. > :03:13.that they are basically pushing us into action.

:03:14. > :03:16.The Government, however, is adamant the new contract

:03:17. > :03:18.will lead to safer patient care, and help create

:03:19. > :03:32.There is no sign of this dispute ending.

:03:33. > :03:34.The next strike planned for later this month will be

:03:35. > :03:39.a complete walk-out by junior doctors, including emergency care,

:03:40. > :03:51.for the first time in the history of the NHS.

:03:52. > :04:02.Let's get some reaction live from the picket line.

:04:03. > :04:12.You can hear them behind me, the junior doctors who are here, in the

:04:13. > :04:16.same position as in January, February and March. 24,000

:04:17. > :04:21.operations and procedures cancelled and postponed over the strike

:04:22. > :04:23.action, but is it really worth it? The contract is still going ahead,

:04:24. > :04:34.as of August this year. 24,000 operations and procedures

:04:35. > :04:38.cancelled since the strikes have begun, is it really worth it? Should

:04:39. > :04:44.you be putting patient in the middle? No doctor wants to harm any

:04:45. > :04:48.patients, that is why we have got senior doctor cover providing

:04:49. > :04:55.emergency care to make sure the NHS is safe. Nobody wants to have any

:04:56. > :05:00.operations cancelled if we can avoid it, but if this contract is imposed,

:05:01. > :05:06.what we are seeing on strike days, operations cancelled, would become

:05:07. > :05:14.the norm, there would be so many rota gaps, because this contract is

:05:15. > :05:17.toxic. We are sorry that operations are cancelled, but we are doing this

:05:18. > :05:23.to prevent this becoming the norm in the longer run. You work in accident

:05:24. > :05:30.and emergency, we are hearing all the time that units are stretched,

:05:31. > :05:33.and yet you are planning on walking out of the most pressurised areas of

:05:34. > :05:39.hospitals. Is this really responsible? We are making sure it

:05:40. > :05:42.is safe, because our senior consultants and staff grade

:05:43. > :05:48.colleagues will be providing good quality emergency care. Junior

:05:49. > :05:51.doctors have been backed into this, the Government is not listening,

:05:52. > :05:57.despite industrial action. It is not too late to stop them imposing this,

:05:58. > :06:00.come back to the table and let's work out a contract that will be

:06:01. > :06:08.safe for the NHS in the future. It will be toxic in many ways, on rotas

:06:09. > :06:14.and on women. But patients are in the middle of this. Will the public

:06:15. > :06:18.carry on supporting you if you carry on striking? The public value their

:06:19. > :06:23.NHS and understand we are doing this to save the NHS in the long term, so

:06:24. > :06:27.it will be there. The public will continue to support this. We are

:06:28. > :06:32.sorry for any inconvenience, that we need to look at this over the long

:06:33. > :06:37.term. If the contract is imposed, and they will stretch an already

:06:38. > :06:46.stretched NHS over seven days, it. Crumbling. We must protect it, that

:06:47. > :06:54.is what the doctors are here for. As you can see, still a very passionate

:06:55. > :06:59.picket line, even for the fourth time. The Government says that the

:07:00. > :07:00.contract must come into force for a better seven-day service across the

:07:01. > :07:11.NHS. Let us know what you think of that.

:07:12. > :07:12.All of the usual ways of getting in touch.

:07:13. > :07:15.Maxine is in the BBC Newsroom and has more on that and a summary

:07:16. > :07:20.The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is calling for a responsible sales

:07:21. > :07:21.process of the steelworks in Port Talbot.

:07:22. > :07:24.It comes as he arrives in Mumbai for talks with the chairman

:07:25. > :07:29.It's the first time the pair have met since the company announced

:07:30. > :07:31.it was to sell its UK assets a week ago.

:07:32. > :07:40.The Business Secretary had talks in London today over plans to save the

:07:41. > :07:46.plant. It is thought Tata wants to sell the loss-making plant as soon

:07:47. > :07:48.as possible. The Business Secretary is expected to press for

:07:49. > :08:01.reassurances on terms of the sale. What is the best he can expect? In

:08:02. > :08:06.this building behind me, the headquarters of Tata, we are

:08:07. > :08:12.expecting the meeting to take place in a couple of hours. I have spoken

:08:13. > :08:16.to Tata, the Government has sent out an assurance that the process of

:08:17. > :08:18.sale they will follow for the UK operations will be John Tarrant and

:08:19. > :08:26.thorough. The Business Secretary will seek assurances that whatever

:08:27. > :08:32.takeover deal is signed, it will not result in mass job losses. Tata

:08:33. > :08:35.employ 15,000 workers in the UK. The Business Secretary met with union

:08:36. > :08:41.workers in London, they have sent a message through him, they expect

:08:42. > :08:47.Tata to be a responsible seller and they want Tata to spell out what

:08:48. > :08:50.time frame it is looking at. Tata is not answering the question, but they

:08:51. > :08:52.want to do this as quickly as possible.

:08:53. > :08:54.The new president of Fifa, Gianni Infantino, is the latest

:08:55. > :08:57.prominent name to be linked with the leaking of financial

:08:58. > :09:02.When he worked at European football's governing body Uefa,

:09:03. > :09:06.he's said to have approved a contract for television rights

:09:07. > :09:11.in 2006 with two businessmen, who have since been indicted

:09:12. > :09:17.Mr Infantino and Uefa say they've done nothing wrong.

:09:18. > :09:20.Iceland's coalition government has suggested it could seek early

:09:21. > :09:23.elections, amid continuing anger a day after the prime

:09:24. > :09:28.Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, whose involvement with an offshore

:09:29. > :09:30.company was revealed by the Panama Papers,

:09:31. > :09:33.has denied that he resigned, saying he's handed over

:09:34. > :09:39.to his deputy for an unspecified period.

:09:40. > :09:41.A former soldier who became one of the youngest people ever

:09:42. > :09:44.to receive the George Medal for heroic actions in Iraq tells

:09:45. > :09:48.this programme he's now effectively homeless and living in his car.

:09:49. > :09:52.As a result of his experiences in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31,

:09:53. > :09:55.has post-traumatic stress disorder and says he feels

:09:56. > :10:01.And you can hear his story coming up on the programme

:10:02. > :10:06.Donald Trump's Presidential campaign has been dealt a serious blow

:10:07. > :10:10.after he lost out to his main rival Ted Cruz in the key American

:10:11. > :10:15.Donald Trump still leads in the race to become the Republican Party's

:10:16. > :10:20.nominee, but his chances of winning outright are now much slimmer.

:10:21. > :10:22.And in the Democratic primary, the socialist senator from Vermont,

:10:23. > :10:29.Bernie Sanders, beat Hilary Clinton.

:10:30. > :10:32.The next president of the United States, Ted Cruz.

:10:33. > :10:36.Victory for the Senator from Texas in Wisconsin, one with the backing

:10:37. > :10:41.of the Republican Party establishment he loathes.

:10:42. > :10:46.Tonight, Wisconsin has lit a candle, guiding the way forward.

:10:47. > :10:55.Tonight, we once again have hope for the future.

:10:56. > :10:55.It has been a bad week for Donald Trump, flip-flopping

:10:56. > :10:59.on abortion, his campaign manager indicted for manhandling

:11:00. > :11:05.We could have a big surprise tonight, folks, big surprise.

:11:06. > :11:08.That resoundingly wrong prediction another misstep, in

:11:09. > :11:13.a campaign getting its first taste of real failure.

:11:14. > :11:16.Wisconsin voters also delivered a boost to the underdog in the race

:11:17. > :11:19.for the Democratic nomination, the self-declared socialist

:11:20. > :11:24.Bernie Sanders winning his seventh contest out of the last eight.

:11:25. > :11:35.We have a path toward victory, a path toward the White House.

:11:36. > :11:38.Despite losing Wisconsin, Hillary Clinton is still way

:11:39. > :11:40.ahead on the numbers, looking to battles in

:11:41. > :11:44.New York and California to finish the job.

:11:45. > :11:48.But for the Republicans, they could well be heading

:11:49. > :11:52.for a damaging and divisive showdown at the summer convention,

:11:53. > :12:05.Dogs over eight weeks old must be fitted with microchips from today.

:12:06. > :12:07.A law which has been operating in Northern Ireland since 2012

:12:08. > :12:09.now applies in England, Scotland and Wales.

:12:10. > :12:13.Owners who fail to comply could be fined ?500,

:12:14. > :12:15.but the Government estimates more than a million dogs

:12:16. > :12:21.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:12:22. > :12:27.Coming up in the next few minutes, we'll bring you the full moving

:12:28. > :12:30.interview with Daniel Smith, who served in Iraq and risked his

:12:31. > :12:33.own life to try and rescue some of his colleagues who'd been blown

:12:34. > :12:36.up in a roadside bomb, and is now effectively homeless

:12:37. > :12:39.He has Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and feels he's been

:12:40. > :12:45.If you or a member of your family has served in the army and has

:12:46. > :12:47.PTSD, do get in touch and share your experiences.

:12:48. > :12:54.And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:12:55. > :12:58.But first, Jessica has the sport and more on the return of Rangers

:12:59. > :13:10.I am sure there are a few Rangers fans with a few saw heads.

:13:11. > :13:12.It's taken them four years, but last night Rangers

:13:13. > :13:14.secured their place back in Scottish football's top flight.

:13:15. > :13:17.Their 1-0 win over Dumbarton means they will be playing

:13:18. > :13:19.in the Premiership next season as manager Mark Warburton ensured

:13:20. > :13:22.promotion in his opening season with the club.

:13:23. > :13:26.In front of almost 50,000 fans at Ibrox, James Tavenier's

:13:27. > :13:29.second-half goal was a bright spark in what's been a turbulent

:13:30. > :13:33.To give this some context, Rangers were punished for going

:13:34. > :13:37.into liquidation four years ago, and were demoted to the bottom tier

:13:38. > :13:45.Talking of bright sparks, Luis Suarez was the star of the show

:13:46. > :13:47.in Barcelona's Champions League quarter-final comeback

:13:48. > :13:54.Barcelona were a goal down at half time, but two second-half goals

:13:55. > :13:57.in ten minutes from Suarez ensured holders Barca have the advantage

:13:58. > :14:03.It took Bayern Munich just two minutes to break down

:14:04. > :14:06.Arturo Vidal's header was the only goal of the game

:14:07. > :14:14.In tonight's matches, Manchester City are at

:14:15. > :14:18.City will be boosted by the return of their goalkeeper Joe Hart

:14:19. > :14:21.from injury as they go into their first Champions

:14:22. > :14:34.The last two seasons we could not continue further in the competition,

:14:35. > :14:41.because we played against Barcelona. We have improved this season. It is

:14:42. > :14:43.a difficult game that we must play, but we have chances to continue. It

:14:44. > :14:48.would be important for all of us. Italian prosecutors have called

:14:49. > :14:50.for a six-month suspended prison sentence for new Chelsea boss

:14:51. > :14:53.Antonio Conte, for his alleged It dates back to 2011 when Conte

:14:54. > :14:57.was managing in Italian football. Conte has already served

:14:58. > :14:58.a four-month suspension from the Italian Football

:14:59. > :15:00.Federation for the offence, Currently in charge of the Italian

:15:01. > :15:05.national side, Conte will take over as Chelsea manager after Euro 2016

:15:06. > :15:10.in the summer. England rugby union's Joe Marler has

:15:11. > :15:13.been banned and fined for his "gypsy boy" comment to Wales' Samson Lee

:15:14. > :15:16.during the Six Nations. Governing body World Rugby issued

:15:17. > :15:19.Marler with the two-match ban and ?20,000 fine for the remark

:15:20. > :15:23.to Lee, who's from the Marler insists he is not a racist

:15:24. > :15:39.and has apologised to Lee. Come back at 10am when I will be

:15:40. > :15:44.speaking to the former British boxer Audley Harrison to go talk about

:15:45. > :15:48.that big heavyweight showdown between Anthony Joshua and Charles

:15:49. > :15:53.Martin at the weekend. I look forward to that.

:15:54. > :15:56.This morning a former soldier who became one of the youngest

:15:57. > :15:59.people ever to receive the George medal for his bravery in Iraq tells

:16:00. > :16:00.this programme he's now effectively homeless,

:16:01. > :16:03.living in a car and feels let down by the armed forces.

:16:04. > :16:06.In 2005, when he was 20, Fusilier Daniel Smith tried

:16:07. > :16:14.to save the lives of colleagues twice within the same week

:16:15. > :16:16.when his vehicle patrol was hit by roadside bombs in Iraq.

:16:17. > :16:18.His Ministry of Defence citation said, "With no

:16:19. > :16:21.regard for his own safety and with his focus firmly on saving

:16:22. > :16:23.those in the vehicle, he commenced the evacuation

:16:24. > :16:25.of the casualties from the burning chaos."

:16:26. > :16:28.As a result of his experiences in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31,

:16:29. > :16:32.The charity Combat Stress tells us his story is all too common.

:16:33. > :16:36.Our defence correspondent Jonathan Beale has been to meet

:16:37. > :16:43.Fusilier Daniel Smith, the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.

:16:44. > :16:46.Daniel Smith is one of the heroes of the Iraq War.

:16:47. > :16:50.He was awarded the George Medal at Buckingham Palace for acts

:16:51. > :16:53.of great bravery, saving the lives of injured comrades.

:16:54. > :16:57.Then 21, he was one of the youngest soldiers to receive it.

:16:58. > :17:00.And this should have been his day to remember.

:17:01. > :17:07.At the time, he was suffering from PTSD -

:17:08. > :17:18.On that day I did not really think much of it.

:17:19. > :17:23.I was on medication anyway, so my mood and temperament

:17:24. > :17:26.I was very snappy and angry at the time.

:17:27. > :17:29.So how do you feel about the Army now?

:17:30. > :17:31.I'm very bitter towards them at the minute.

:17:32. > :17:39.I don't appreciate getting dumped to one side, in a way.

:17:40. > :17:46.In 2005, when Daniel was deployed to Iraq, life for the British

:17:47. > :17:53.This, one of the enduring images of the tide turning against them.

:17:54. > :17:55.Daniel, too, had to rescue comrades from the burning

:17:56. > :18:02.Out on patrol in lightly armoured snatch Land Rovers,

:18:03. > :18:05.his unit was targeted and hit by roadside bombs.

:18:06. > :18:08.His citation says, "With no regard for his own safety,

:18:09. > :18:12.he rescued casualties from the burning chaos."

:18:13. > :18:23.If I think back now, I didn't really care

:18:24. > :18:29.I didn't know what I was getting into.

:18:30. > :18:32.Yes, it was just one of those things where I just did

:18:33. > :18:34.it because I had to, because I was team

:18:35. > :18:41.You gather a lot of guilt, a lot of, "Did I do that right,

:18:42. > :18:45.You put a lot of pressure on yourself.

:18:46. > :18:48.I was young at the time and obviously newish.

:18:49. > :18:54.So I held all that built-up hate that kind of in the bag...

:18:55. > :18:58.Obviously, it went all a bit Pete Tong for me, really.

:18:59. > :19:01.I did not really know who to talk to.

:19:02. > :19:05.I don't think there was much help back then.

:19:06. > :19:08.Because, now, PTSD is recognised, and back then it was not really much

:19:09. > :19:15.It was more like, you pick yourself up and go.

:19:16. > :19:29.I didn't really think it would would affect me.

:19:30. > :19:33.At the time I got blown up, I did not think it would affect me.

:19:34. > :19:40.Your depression kicks in, you're drinking.

:19:41. > :19:43.You don't realise you're changing, but other people see you are.

:19:44. > :19:47.And you become angry towards them - "I've changed?"

:19:48. > :19:55."You're the one that's changed," kind of thing.

:19:56. > :20:00.He now spends a lot of time on his own.

:20:01. > :20:03.The Army did provide treatment for Daniel including six weeks

:20:04. > :20:07.But the flashbacks, anger and resentment did not go away.

:20:08. > :20:10.He left the Army three years ago and has struggled ever since.

:20:11. > :20:13.His marriage collapsed, he has been in and out of work,

:20:14. > :20:22.I hate being around people most of the time, so I sometimes get up

:20:23. > :20:27.here, or out of the way, stuff like that.

:20:28. > :20:29.I have got my quilt and stuff in the back.

:20:30. > :20:36.It's like a mobile house, if you know what I mean.

:20:37. > :20:38.When I'm a bit depressed, I'd rather be alone,

:20:39. > :20:47.He'll go and sleep in the car at nights because he doesn't

:20:48. > :20:49.feel comfortable staying in a particular environment.

:20:50. > :20:55.He has just been cast adrift, and that is the bit

:20:56. > :21:01.As soon as he is discharged, they have let him go

:21:02. > :21:05.Basically all they have done is put a sticking plaster

:21:06. > :21:16.This is a problem that goes much deeper, as even he can show,

:21:17. > :21:17.looking through old photos of the soldiers

:21:18. > :21:25.He suffered a little bit with drinking.

:21:26. > :21:37.You've got Harry, he killed himself not long after.

:21:38. > :21:40.Are you worried about the future for Daniel?

:21:41. > :21:46.Yeah. I can't see...

:21:47. > :21:53.I can't see a long-term recovery. I hope there is.

:21:54. > :21:56.But I think without treatment, without any support network

:21:57. > :21:58.that he needs, and I think he needs it now, I do.

:21:59. > :22:17.We'll hear more from Daniel's dad in just a moment,

:22:18. > :22:25.You are getting in touch. Dave says, "I am a sufferer after 28 years

:22:26. > :22:30.service in the Royal Marines." Stewart says, "Why is a man who

:22:31. > :22:38.fought on behalf this country homeless? Give him a flat. .".

:22:39. > :22:41.First our defence correspondent Jonahan Beale is here with us.

:22:42. > :22:48.How big a problem is it? It is a problem and probably we don't know

:22:49. > :22:52.the full-scale of the problem at the moment because often the symptoms

:22:53. > :22:58.don't come out for time. There is no clear figure, but some research

:22:59. > :23:01.suggests that since 1991, 700,000, more than 700,000 personnel have

:23:02. > :23:07.gone through the military and as many as one in ten of those, that's

:23:08. > :23:14.70,000 people, may have mental health problems. That's work carried

:23:15. > :23:20.out by Professor Neil Greenberg. The MoD says the rates of PTSD are

:23:21. > :23:23.similar to that of the civilian population, but clearly, research

:23:24. > :23:28.has suggested those people who have been in combat situations like

:23:29. > :23:33.Daniel, are more likely to get PTSD. Now, inside the military, there are

:23:34. > :23:38.systems to care for people. There is, I think, an improvement, a

:23:39. > :23:41.dramatic improvement in looking after people since Iraq and

:23:42. > :23:45.Afghanistan over the last ten years looking for the warning signs. Every

:23:46. > :23:48.time people came back from a deployment in Afghanistan, they

:23:49. > :23:54.would go through a trim procedure and go through that sort of period

:23:55. > :23:58.in Cyprus where warning signs were looked at, they were asked questions

:23:59. > :24:01.and tried to make sure everybody sort of was mentally in the right

:24:02. > :24:06.place. I think the big problem is when people move from the military

:24:07. > :24:10.and this, I think, Daniel's story, from the military into civilian life

:24:11. > :24:13.and suddenly they switch responsibility from the Ministry of

:24:14. > :24:17.Defence to the National Health Service and notes get lost. They

:24:18. > :24:22.look at, you know, what's on offer if they have got the symptoms of

:24:23. > :24:25.PTSD and there are a plethora of charities and you know, which way do

:24:26. > :24:28.you turn? Some of the charities don't offer treatments that are

:24:29. > :24:32.recognised by medical experts. So it is very difficult for them.

:24:33. > :24:36.Lease the Ministry of Defence saying about all of this? Well, the

:24:37. > :24:44.Ministry of Defence makes the point that they have put a lot of money

:24:45. > :24:48.into these charities, into charities like Combat Stress, money from the

:24:49. > :24:51.LIBOR funds, more than ?2 million has gone into helping mental health.

:24:52. > :24:55.They are having a system, a transition programme, where they are

:24:56. > :25:00.trying to make sure that the medical records go from the Army into the

:25:01. > :25:06.NHS so people have a record of what's gone on. But there are also

:25:07. > :25:11.people, people like Johnny Mercer a MP, a former soldier who says what

:25:12. > :25:14.really should happen we should have like America a veterans department

:25:15. > :25:17.where there is a specific Government department looking after these

:25:18. > :25:22.people when they move from military life into civilian life which is

:25:23. > :25:26.where the problem really is most severe I'd say. Thank you, Jonathan.

:25:27. > :25:28.Let's talk more now about Daniel Smith's case

:25:29. > :25:38.Gary thank you very much for coming in to talk to us. We have seen

:25:39. > :25:42.Jonathan's report and we heard from Gary who is obviously struggling a

:25:43. > :25:46.great deal. Yes, he is. Going back to the start of the report and the

:25:47. > :25:49.moment that he was at Buckingham Palace being honoured by Prince

:25:50. > :25:53.Charles with the Gorge Medal, the youngest soldier to get it, you were

:25:54. > :25:58.there at the Palace that day, how were you feeling? Oh, immensely

:25:59. > :26:04.proud. Immensely proud. I didn't think that years later in 2016 we

:26:05. > :26:10.would be discussing it in this way unfortunately. But it is probably

:26:11. > :26:15.the reason why that we're in this situation that we are able to talk

:26:16. > :26:20.about it because we can use that as an example of at the time the Army

:26:21. > :26:24.wanted to put him on to pedestal which was great, but now, they

:26:25. > :26:29.really need to, I think, help him as well which at the moment I don't

:26:30. > :26:33.think they are. You say he was put on a pedestal. We heard from him in

:26:34. > :26:38.our report. He didn't see it that way, did he on the day? No, he never

:26:39. > :26:45.has. Did you know what was going on in his head at that time? No, no,

:26:46. > :26:50.not really, not at all because a lot of the instances that he has gone

:26:51. > :26:57.through, he has been very quiet about. Even the operations since he

:26:58. > :27:03.left the army, he has been very, very quiet about and he feels a

:27:04. > :27:08.little bit embarrassed, let down, I don't know what you would like to

:27:09. > :27:13.call it really, but he does, he is in desperate need of help at the

:27:14. > :27:17.moment. I mean, he is still battling with the Army to try and get

:27:18. > :27:23.recognised for the level of compensation that he was due which

:27:24. > :27:33.is ridiculous. Which tells me that they still don't understand the PTSD

:27:34. > :27:38.levels. He is clinically been proven that, it is a permanent problem, but

:27:39. > :27:44.they're still saying he can get better. We've got that argument

:27:45. > :27:50.going on at the moment which is ten, 11 years down the line, it is

:27:51. > :27:54.ridiculous. So whilst they are making fantastic in-roads into

:27:55. > :28:01.recognising PTSD, I still think they don't fully understand it yet.

:28:02. > :28:05.Certainly, the categories that of levels of PDSD and it is the early

:28:06. > :28:08.warning signs which I hope they're picking up in the Army now, I'm not

:28:09. > :28:14.sure whether they are, but society is left to deal with the problems

:28:15. > :28:21.that they leave behind. Tell us more about how your son, effectively, I

:28:22. > :28:25.guess you could describe it as being disappeared. Yeah. Yeah. The boy

:28:26. > :28:31.that went into the Army compared with the man that came out. Yeah, I

:28:32. > :28:38.mean, he is very changed. Even when he was in the Army, when he went

:28:39. > :28:47.through this, the conflict, the problems that he has it, the blowing

:28:48. > :28:51.up incidents etcetera, he has changed dramatically and he is never

:28:52. > :28:57.going to get back to the way he used to be. You heard in the clip there

:28:58. > :29:04.that you know, his marriage has failed. And all of that has been

:29:05. > :29:10.after, after all of this. And I really do worry about the future for

:29:11. > :29:17.him to be quite honest with you. But like Johnny was saying earlier, the

:29:18. > :29:21.actual the mechanism when they're coming out of the Army, there

:29:22. > :29:28.doesn't seem to be any assessment and certainly any support network

:29:29. > :29:36.when they get out into what I would call civvy street. They don't seem

:29:37. > :29:44.to get any support with getting employment too much because

:29:45. > :29:46.particularly PTSD guys don't like confrontation and they take

:29:47. > :29:49.themselves away from it. He does that by going and sleeping in his

:29:50. > :29:59.car. How often is he sleeping in his car? Three, four times a week. But

:30:00. > :30:03.he can disappear for weeks. But you're, we tread on glass with him

:30:04. > :30:07.in a sense that we can't ask too much because again, he goes into, he

:30:08. > :30:12.goes into a depression stage and he'll take himself away from those

:30:13. > :30:50.situations that he feels uncomfortable in.

:30:51. > :30:53.seriously think he has been let down. It is the parachute back into

:30:54. > :31:00.society that is the problem. Somebody needs to put the support

:31:01. > :31:07.network in place for guys that can no longer serve, that are considered

:31:08. > :31:13.for medical discharge, and they can go into these places to find work

:31:14. > :31:19.and integrate back into society, which is really a struggle. You have

:31:20. > :31:23.an issue with the way the compensation is awarded, because it

:31:24. > :31:28.is different between physical injuries and mental problems.

:31:29. > :31:34.Explain how it has worked for him. Daniel was originally awarded a

:31:35. > :31:39.level 12, and he has now been given level ten. That means you can get

:31:40. > :31:48.better after five years, which clearly he can't. We have had to pay

:31:49. > :31:52.for independent assessment, which says that it is clearly too proven

:31:53. > :31:56.that the condition he has got is permanent, and there is no chance of

:31:57. > :32:03.recovery. That gives you a level six award, we are into a delaying tactic

:32:04. > :32:10.with the Army at the moment to recognise that. It is part of the

:32:11. > :32:13.compensation scheme, the reason it. In the first place, it helps people

:32:14. > :32:19.integrate back into society, consider give them a better pension

:32:20. > :32:23.and a bigger pay-out. You can either agree or disagree, but the reality

:32:24. > :32:28.is, without any further support network, money is the only thing

:32:29. > :32:33.they can give them. I would much prefer them to give them a support

:32:34. > :32:37.network, but they aren't. That is why the compensation scheme was

:32:38. > :32:41.started. But they don't seem to want to recognise that. That is the

:32:42. > :32:47.disappointing thing with the Army at the moment. I want to read comments

:32:48. > :32:52.from some people watching. Paula says, anybody who fought for their

:32:53. > :32:57.country should be living in a castle. If it says, why the shock

:32:58. > :33:02.that the Armed Forces discard young men? That is what they have always

:33:03. > :33:08.done. One person says, disgusted. Another person says, I am saddened.

:33:09. > :33:13.He is not the first veteran to be found sleeping in his car and he

:33:14. > :33:21.won't be the last. We were saying earlier how common it is. I would

:33:22. > :33:27.call it an epidemic. It is how you treat an epidemic, it seems to be a

:33:28. > :33:34.problem. Our society has got to deal with it. Burying your head in the

:33:35. > :33:39.sand, as appears to be the case at the moment, is not the right way

:33:40. > :33:47.forward. As a dad trying to reach out to your son, a man who is

:33:48. > :33:56.regarded by many as a hero, how do you feel? He has gone from being on

:33:57. > :34:05.a pedestal to where he is now. He has not had his recognition, in the

:34:06. > :34:15.compensation scheme, he does not feel he is supported. He has gone

:34:16. > :34:20.from hero to zero, effectively. That is part of the problem as well.

:34:21. > :34:24.An MOD spokesperson told us that it couldn't comment on individual

:34:25. > :34:26.cases like Daniel's, but it said, "We provide a wide

:34:27. > :34:29.range of support both during and after military service,

:34:30. > :34:31.including the Career Transition Partnership scheme, which helps

:34:32. > :34:32.individuals transition into civilian life.

:34:33. > :34:34.Veterans are eligible for resettlement support

:34:35. > :34:36.and priority NHS treatment for conditions linked

:34:37. > :34:47.We're one of the world's richest countries but at a time of cutbacks

:34:48. > :34:51.can we still afford to spend ?12 billion a year on foreign aid

:34:52. > :34:55.Tell us what you think on Twitter, text or e-mail.

:34:56. > :34:59.And who'll replace Boris Johnson as Mayor of London in a month's time?

:35:00. > :35:02.Our political guru Norman Smith chats with Ukip's candidate in

:35:03. > :35:17.Here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:35:18. > :35:20.Junior doctors in England have begun their fourth walkout in their

:35:21. > :35:27.Although 5,000 operations have been cancelled,

:35:28. > :35:32.The Government says the action is irresponsible

:35:33. > :35:39.The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is calling for a responsible sales

:35:40. > :35:41.process of the steel works in Port Talbot as he

:35:42. > :35:44.arrives in Mumbai to meet the boss of Tata Steel.

:35:45. > :35:48.Mr Javid had talks in Downing Street yesterday with David Cameron

:35:49. > :35:51.and the Wales First Minister to discuss ways of saving

:35:52. > :35:56.Port Talbot and the other Tata-owned UK steel plants.

:35:57. > :35:58.It's thought Tata wants to sell its loss-making plants

:35:59. > :36:02.Mr Javid will meet the Tata chairman and he's expected to press

:36:03. > :36:11.for reassurances on the terms of the sale.

:36:12. > :36:21.The new president of Fifa has been linked with the leaking of financial

:36:22. > :36:25.documents in Panama. He was a co-signatories to a contract for the

:36:26. > :36:29.sale of television rights in 2006 at Uefa with two businessmen who have

:36:30. > :36:37.since been indicted on corruption charges. He and Uefa say they have

:36:38. > :36:41.done nothing wrong. Iceland's Government could seek

:36:42. > :36:45.early elections amid continuing and a day after the Prime Minister

:36:46. > :36:51.stepped aside. His involvement with an offshore company was revealed by

:36:52. > :36:54.the Panama papers. He has denied he resigned, saying he has handed over

:36:55. > :36:57.to his deputy for an unspecified period.

:36:58. > :36:59.And coming up at 11:30am on the News Channel,

:37:00. > :37:01.I'll be putting your queries to a tax expert about

:37:02. > :37:04.You can send us your questions using the hashtag #BBCAskThis

:37:05. > :37:12.A former solider who became one of the youngest people ever

:37:13. > :37:15.to receive the George Medal for heroic actions in Iraq tells

:37:16. > :37:18.this programme he's now effectively homeless and living in his car.

:37:19. > :37:23.As a result of his experiences in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31,

:37:24. > :37:27.has post-traumatic stress disorder and says he feels

:37:28. > :37:43.I am very bitter towards them. I don't appreciate getting dumped to

:37:44. > :37:45.one side. I feel I have been cast aside.

:37:46. > :37:47.David Cameron is being accused of breaking his promises

:37:48. > :37:54.In an open letter published in the Guardian, a number of people

:37:55. > :37:56.affected by the phone-hacking scandal say they feel betrayed.

:37:57. > :37:59.A key part of the Royal Charter agreement on press regulation has

:38:00. > :38:01.been approved by Parliament, but has not yet come into law.

:38:02. > :38:03.Gerry McCann, the father of missing Madeline McCann,

:38:04. > :38:05.signed the letter and says little has changed since

:38:06. > :38:07.the recommendations were put forward by the Leveson Inquiry.

:38:08. > :38:10.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

:38:11. > :38:15.Jessica's here now with all the sport headlines.

:38:16. > :38:17.Rangers are back in the Scottish Premiership.

:38:18. > :38:20.After four years away, they secured their return with a 1-0

:38:21. > :38:25.Rangers were punished for going into liquidation

:38:26. > :38:29.and demoted to the bottom tier in 2012.

:38:30. > :38:32.Luis Suarez was the star of the show in Barcelona's Champions League

:38:33. > :38:35.quarter-final comeback against Atletico Madrid.

:38:36. > :38:38.Two second-half goals in ten minutes from Suarez ensured holders Barca

:38:39. > :38:41.have the advantage for the second leg next week.

:38:42. > :38:43.Bayern Munich beat Benfica 1-0 in last night's other

:38:44. > :38:51.Tonight, Manchester City are at Paris Saint Germain

:38:52. > :38:54.and welcome back their goalkeeper Joe Hart from injury.

:38:55. > :38:58.It will be City's first appearance in a Champions League quarter-final.

:38:59. > :39:02.England rugby union's Joe Marler has been banned and fined for his "gypsy

:39:03. > :39:06.boy" comment to Wales' Samson Lee during the Six Nations.

:39:07. > :39:09.Governing body World Rugby issued Marler with the two-match ban

:39:10. > :39:12.and ?20,000 fine for the remark to Lee, who's from the

:39:13. > :39:26.The UK Government is in debt to the tune of over ?1.6 trillion.

:39:27. > :39:29.Every second, that figure goes up by ?5,000.

:39:30. > :39:32.Trying to cut both the debt and the deficit ? that's

:39:33. > :39:34.the difference between the amount of money the Government spends

:39:35. > :39:38.and receives ? has proved difficult for successive governments.

:39:39. > :39:40.Since the last budget in March, when the Chancellor George Osborne

:39:41. > :39:43.was forced to abandon plans to cut disability payments,

:39:44. > :39:48.focus has turned to what other areas of Government spending could be cut.

:39:49. > :39:55.And foreign aid has come under the spotlight again.

:39:56. > :39:57.The UK spends around ?11.7 billion on international development aid.

:39:58. > :40:02.That is 0.7% of national income, and it's been ringfenced at that

:40:03. > :40:06.In other words, they've promised not to cut it.

:40:07. > :40:09.Just under 60% of that money went to individual countries.

:40:10. > :40:12.It's known as bilateral aid, while just over 40% went

:40:13. > :40:15.to the United Nations and charities or non-governmental

:40:16. > :40:20.organisations, and that is known as multilateral aid.

:40:21. > :40:23.In 2014, Ethiopia, India and Pakistan received

:40:24. > :40:30.India is especially controversial, as its economy is almost as big

:40:31. > :40:35.as the UK's, and it will probably overtake us in the coming years.

:40:36. > :40:37.The cash went on things like healthcare, education

:40:38. > :40:41.and humanitarian aid for people in need after wars

:40:42. > :40:46.Most of the multilateral aid goes to organisations which divvy up

:40:47. > :40:49.the money between charities that need it most.

:40:50. > :40:52.the International Development Association,

:40:53. > :40:54.the part of the World Bank which helps

:40:55. > :41:00.That is as well as organisations like the Global Fund to fight

:41:01. > :41:02.Aids, TB and malaria, and the Global Alliance

:41:03. > :41:08.International development is one of only three departments that have

:41:09. > :41:15.The Government has committed to spending 2% of national income

:41:16. > :41:19.a year on defence, while health spending is at 8%, with more

:41:20. > :41:25.Many other Government departments, like the ones that spend money

:41:26. > :41:30.on benefits or local councils, are facing cuts of up to 20% or 30%,

:41:31. > :41:35.and some MPs are calling for foreign aid to be cut, too.

:41:36. > :41:38.Some examples of where that money has gone recently include helping

:41:39. > :41:41.nine million children into primary school, helping some

:41:42. > :41:44.of the four million refugees who've fled Syria since war began

:41:45. > :41:47.and helping control the spread of Ebola.

:41:48. > :41:50.But critics also say the money goes to countries like India,

:41:51. > :41:55.who spend hundreds of millions on space-exploration programmes.

:41:56. > :41:59.This morning, we really want to get a sense from you on what you think.

:42:00. > :42:01.Is foreign aid the right thing to do, or should

:42:02. > :42:06.Well, we can talk now to Peter Bone, a Conservative MP who wants us

:42:07. > :42:09.to spend less on foreign aid, and by Virendra Sharma,

:42:10. > :42:11.a Labour MP and member for the International

:42:12. > :42:12.Development Committee, who maintains the budget

:42:13. > :42:30.Why should it be ring fenced? It is important that we as a British

:42:31. > :42:38.Government and people become part of the global community. Provide the

:42:39. > :42:42.resources to those who need them, and we want them to come back into

:42:43. > :42:50.the 21st-century with the skills and knowledge. That is what we are

:42:51. > :42:54.hoping to which Eve. That is why we support that this aid should be ring

:42:55. > :42:59.fenced in those areas where the people are getting the skills,

:43:00. > :43:04.knowledge and freedom, and good governance, so they can become part

:43:05. > :43:11.of the 21st-century world, rather than some people left behind. Peter

:43:12. > :43:15.Bone, you disagree. I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the way it

:43:16. > :43:23.is done is wrong. How India transformed itself, and China, was

:43:24. > :43:27.by allowing the economy to grow and by exporting to organisations like

:43:28. > :43:34.the EU. The fact that the EU stops developing countries' market access

:43:35. > :43:40.is what is wrong. The solution is not handing more money out, ?12

:43:41. > :43:47.billion this year, it is allowing countries to trade and develop that

:43:48. > :43:54.way. The clear on what you think about the aid Budget. Should it be

:43:55. > :44:02.ring fenced? One is, what is the right way forward? It is trade.

:44:03. > :44:10.Then, this thing of having 0.7% of having gross national income ring

:44:11. > :44:17.fenced. The only other areas which have seen an increase on spending is

:44:18. > :44:22.international aid and the EU. We are cutting every other department. Why

:44:23. > :44:26.are we cutting our services at home and making it difficult for the

:44:27. > :44:31.health service, the police, benefits are and we are paying this extra

:44:32. > :44:37.money abroad? A lot of it is not going on but projects, it is wasted.

:44:38. > :44:44.Would you say zero on foreign aid? There is another problem, you have

:44:45. > :44:48.been talking about humanitarian aid, absolutely right, and we should

:44:49. > :44:52.respond to that with the need, not as a fixed percentage. If we need to

:44:53. > :44:57.spend more if there is a huge crisis, we should. But we should not

:44:58. > :45:01.dole it out to dubious countries to make the leaders of those countries

:45:02. > :45:07.more corrupt than they are at the moment. I disagree. We are not

:45:08. > :45:16.handing over the money. It is spent through a department, given on

:45:17. > :45:19.projects which improve the living conditions, childbirth rate, better

:45:20. > :45:23.education for women and girls, improving the health provision in

:45:24. > :45:26.those areas, giving disadvantaged people who need the skills to get

:45:27. > :45:36.into the 21st-century. Raez That would sound good, but it

:45:37. > :45:41.is not true. We give them two a third party, who then distributes

:45:42. > :45:45.them and we have no... We give money to the Palestinian Authority which

:45:46. > :45:48.gives money to subsidise the families of terrorists who are in

:45:49. > :45:55.prison. I mean that cannot be right. This sort of... Specific examples

:45:56. > :45:58.like that. The Department for International Development says

:45:59. > :46:02.actually there are all sorts of things out there about claims of

:46:03. > :46:06.where the money goes and a lot them are inaccurate. The money is, I'm

:46:07. > :46:10.reading from a statement saying the money is spent where it is most

:46:11. > :46:14.needed and subject to rigorous checks. If you ask the Secretary of

:46:15. > :46:20.State, she would say there are problems with this and what she says

:46:21. > :46:26.to me a lot of the money in foreign said given through other departments

:46:27. > :46:31.who have less control on it than they do. First the Secretary of

:46:32. > :46:35.State, she is the most defender of that international aid. Not giving

:46:36. > :46:38.it away on corrupt projects. She doesn't want to do that. She is

:46:39. > :46:50.monitoring it. Everybody is monitoring it. It is monitored. Are

:46:51. > :46:55.you question the capability and the credibility of the department?

:46:56. > :47:01.Absolutely I am. If you think our money... Are you telling me that all

:47:02. > :47:05.the money we spend goes to projects and none of it goes to corrupt

:47:06. > :47:09.Government? None of it finishes up in military expenditure and none of

:47:10. > :47:18.this money goes to India or China and or countries that don't need it.

:47:19. > :47:26.There is a large example where the 44 plus thousand women were given

:47:27. > :47:30.health related benefits. There were the children where the childbirth

:47:31. > :47:36.rate was saved, thousands and thousands of children. There was 3.5

:47:37. > :47:41.million families who were given the feed and the aid. That's all well

:47:42. > :47:45.and good, but John on Facebook saying, "As many people say, charity

:47:46. > :47:55.begins at home and not in other countries." The amount we are giving

:47:56. > :48:00.into those countries is only that aid runs the country. The countries

:48:01. > :48:05.themselves are also contributing to that. It is a partnership. But at a

:48:06. > :48:10.time when cuts are being made here because of the level of debt, is it

:48:11. > :48:15.not about a budget that should be looked at like all others? It is the

:48:16. > :48:20.Government's own policy failure that they cannot balance it. Their own

:48:21. > :48:26.attitude on these issues where they are confusing the people. You would

:48:27. > :48:29.rather spend money abroad than on supporting people back at home. No,

:48:30. > :48:35.you have to accept that. No, you can't. Peter... We can still spend

:48:36. > :48:41.the money. We have the resources... No. Look, your introduction made it

:48:42. > :48:48.quite clear that actually we are not funding this. We are borrowing more

:48:49. > :48:51.money to fund T we are not taking it from taxpayers, we are borrowing

:48:52. > :48:56.more money. It will be our children who are paying it off. It is

:48:57. > :48:59.fundamentally wrong. We pay twice as much as France in international aid.

:49:00. > :49:03.We are doing sticking plaster stuff. We are not dealing with the

:49:04. > :49:07.important factor of allowing trade. I want to put a specific argument to

:49:08. > :49:10.you from the Department of International development saying the

:49:11. > :49:14.money is spent in the national interests, it helps create a more

:49:15. > :49:20.stable and prosperous world in which the UK can stand tall and flourish

:49:21. > :49:24.causing the root causes of the migration crisis and improving the

:49:25. > :49:29.economic prospects in fragile states and building trading partners and

:49:30. > :49:34.reduce the threat to the UK from Ebola in West Africa. Would you

:49:35. > :49:37.agree there is an element, however you want to quantify of it of self

:49:38. > :49:42.interest in helping the countries? Well, I do think it is wrong, if

:49:43. > :49:48.what we are saying is, we're dolling out money to have some sort of soft

:49:49. > :49:52.power for British interests. Some sort colonial rule... But if it is

:49:53. > :49:56.in the national interests? It is not in the national interests what they

:49:57. > :50:00.are doing. Things like Ebola, humanitarian crisis circumstances of

:50:01. > :50:03.course, we should deal z do it. They have not addressed in that

:50:04. > :50:07.statement, opening up the European Union market so the countries can

:50:08. > :50:11.trade, the countries can become prosperous and they become developed

:50:12. > :50:15.countries. It is completely ignoring the proper argument that it is

:50:16. > :50:19.trade, not aid that solves poverty. If you want to get rid of poverty,

:50:20. > :50:24.open up the European Union. We will wrap up with a couple more comments

:50:25. > :50:30.from viewers. Mark says, "It is time to cut aid and target it better."

:50:31. > :50:35.Grace says, "It is important that UK aid should be managed, it should be

:50:36. > :50:41.increased, not reduced. Innocent human beings are living and dying

:50:42. > :50:45.without clean water, food, education and so much more. They are suffering

:50:46. > :50:48.more than anyone in the UK." Thank you for discussing that withes and

:50:49. > :50:51.thank you for your comments and we will be tacking about it later on

:50:52. > :50:53.the programme. Keep your comments coming in and we will try to bring

:50:54. > :50:59.your comments into our debate later. Coming up, victims

:51:00. > :51:01.of the hacking scandal say they feel betrayed

:51:02. > :51:03.by the Prime Minister, and accuse him of

:51:04. > :51:04.breaking his promises. We ask one man whose phone

:51:05. > :51:07.was hacked after he was caught up in the 7/7 attacks

:51:08. > :51:15.why he feels let down. All this week we're hearing

:51:16. > :51:18.from some of the candidates standing Our political guru Norman Smith has

:51:19. > :51:22.taken Labour's Sadiq Khan and Conservative's Zac Goldsmith

:51:23. > :51:33.for a spin in his cab and today he's You are in the back of the cab

:51:34. > :51:38.today. Not driving. Is he driving? I'm in the... I'm glad to say those

:51:39. > :51:42.pedestrians and cyclists, you are safe today! I'm not driving! I'm in

:51:43. > :51:47.the back of the cab today and joining me is Peter Whittle, the

:51:48. > :51:50.Ukip mayoral candidate for London. Peter, you are a South London boy

:51:51. > :51:54.from Peckham. We will ask you London questions in a bit, but let's start

:51:55. > :51:58.off with what is your big thing. You say if you become mayor, you will

:51:59. > :52:02.get a grip of immigration. But how are you going to do that The thing

:52:03. > :52:07.is the two, in your own poll last week at the BBC, the two biggest

:52:08. > :52:10.concerns for London he weres housing quite rightly and immigration. All

:52:11. > :52:14.I'm saying which the other candidates are not, these two are

:52:15. > :52:18.linked. It is common sense and most people can see that. So what I would

:52:19. > :52:22.do and what I think the mayor has got an obligation to do is to put

:52:23. > :52:26.that case to Government and say look, you know, we have to have a

:52:27. > :52:33.proper fair controlled migration system in order to get a long-term

:52:34. > :52:37.handle on the housing situation. Is there anything you as mayor could

:52:38. > :52:42.actually do or is it just talk? No, if you remember Boris when he was

:52:43. > :52:46.mayor said, he is still mayor, but he said there should be a full

:52:47. > :52:50.amnesty for illegal migrants. The mayor is in a position of

:52:51. > :52:54.extraordinary influence and if the mayor doesn't do that, who does?

:52:55. > :52:58.London's economy, as you know, is built on immigration and a lot of

:52:59. > :53:01.immigrants, probably are here illegally, cleaning the streets,

:53:02. > :53:07.working in care homes, working in kitchens. Would you say they must

:53:08. > :53:12.go? We have to get rid of them or would you say no, let's give them an

:53:13. > :53:17.amnesty? I don't believe in an amnesty at all. It sends out the

:53:18. > :53:19.wrong message. It works in migrants disfavour because it encourages

:53:20. > :53:23.people-trafficking. I think it is the wrong way to go. I think the

:53:24. > :53:29.fact is London is a great booming city, but it has got amazing strains

:53:30. > :53:33.now on all of its infrastructure. Its housing, its transport, its

:53:34. > :53:38.social services and the fact is, all we're saying is there has got to be

:53:39. > :53:42.for the country and indeed for London, a fair, but controlled

:53:43. > :53:45.immigration system. Let's talk about housing. You say you want to give

:53:46. > :53:50.priority to Londoners in terms of housing? Yes. Who is a Londoner?

:53:51. > :53:56.Well, what we have worked out, London is a modern city, you know,

:53:57. > :53:59.and there is always going to be a transittry element to a place like

:54:00. > :54:03.London. In terms of social housing, if you have been in London for five

:54:04. > :54:07.years, we think that's a reasonable time that you should then have

:54:08. > :54:11.priority when it comes to housing. Social housing. What happens to

:54:12. > :54:14.someone born and brought up in London, maybe gone away for a few

:54:15. > :54:19.years and come back. They go to the back of the queue again? They would

:54:20. > :54:22.say they are Londoners? Exactly, but you have to make a move on this. I

:54:23. > :54:26.mean in the sense that obviously there are different cases such as

:54:27. > :54:30.that, but there is a lot of worry about the fact that people who are

:54:31. > :54:34.have been in London for a while, people have been put down roots,

:54:35. > :54:39.somehow or other don't get a fair say. That is a very divisive policy

:54:40. > :54:43.because it is saying to some people in London, OK, you are a true

:54:44. > :54:47.Londoner, you're not quite a Londoner and you are not a Londoner.

:54:48. > :54:52.Isn't that what it amounts to? No, I don't accept it at all. Say five

:54:53. > :54:57.years, if you have been living in a place or and put down certain roots

:54:58. > :55:00.for five years, I think that's a very reasonable time in which to

:55:01. > :55:05.have priority. OK. A lot of controversy about the Panama Papers

:55:06. > :55:08.and off-shore funds buying up property in London. Vast amounts of

:55:09. > :55:14.property driving up prices. What would you do about that? Would you

:55:15. > :55:17.say you can only by a London property if you are a UK taxpayer?

:55:18. > :55:22.No, I don't say that, that's unrealistic. I think the problem,

:55:23. > :55:26.the main problem is that when people buy up property, but then leave it

:55:27. > :55:32.empty and that squeezes the whole market. That's what off-shore funds

:55:33. > :55:36.do? Exactly. We would penalise this further by not just putting the

:55:37. > :55:40.useful council tax on it, but doubling council tax on things that

:55:41. > :55:44.remained empty for two years. That's a fair point. We have got to do

:55:45. > :55:48.quick London questions, you use the Tube, you probably got off at

:55:49. > :55:53.Westminster. OK. What's next welcome, St James' park, Victoria?

:55:54. > :55:57.Westminster, St James' Park, Victoria, Sloane Square. Very good.

:55:58. > :56:03.You're shopping in Oxford Street. I'm going to give you three out of

:56:04. > :56:09.the four department stores, John Lewis, Debenhams, Selfridges DH

:56:10. > :56:17.Evans. Football fan? I was always the fat kid at school! This is a

:56:18. > :56:21.half television question. You remember Til Death Us Depart. Who

:56:22. > :56:25.did he support? West Ham. Who said if you're tired of London, you're

:56:26. > :56:34.tired of life? Dr Johnson. Very good. Thank you very much, Joanna,

:56:35. > :56:37.we have given Peter a grilling. I thought it was going to turn into a

:56:38. > :56:42.therapy question when you asked the question about football and he went

:56:43. > :56:48.back to the school days. Anyway, good stuff, thank you.

:56:49. > :56:51.In total 12 candidates are hoping to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor

:56:52. > :56:53.of London in the election on 5th May.

:56:54. > :56:56.You can find a full list of them on the BBC News site.

:56:57. > :56:59.If you want to watch back or share Norman taking a cab

:57:00. > :57:02.with Zac Goldsmith or Sadiq Khan you can find them on our programme

:57:03. > :57:11.Junior doctors in England have just gone on strike again this morning

:57:12. > :57:17.It's over a dispute with the Government over a new contract.

:57:18. > :57:20.Our Health Correspondent Adam Brimelow is with us.

:57:21. > :57:26.We are in a position where the Government says it will be imposing

:57:27. > :57:31.the contract. Bring us up-to-date with how we have got here? It has

:57:32. > :57:37.been a saga. At the heart of this is a dispute over pay and working

:57:38. > :57:41.conditions as these can affect safety and also doctors' working

:57:42. > :57:46.hours, really what we're looking at here is an attempt by the Government

:57:47. > :57:50.to make it easier for hospitals to get doctors to work at weekends,

:57:51. > :57:53.make it less expensive for them to do that. Junior doctors say look,

:57:54. > :57:57.they are already working at weekends and the changes in the contract

:57:58. > :58:01.would have the effect of really making them work too hard which

:58:02. > :58:06.could affect their judgement, make them too tired and that can knock on

:58:07. > :58:08.in terms of patient safety. So, really, there have been lots of

:58:09. > :58:14.issues surrounding this contract, but it is really got stuck on thish

:58:15. > :58:17.uof premium pay on Saturday. The doctors, if you like, arguing to

:58:18. > :58:20.keep Saturday special. They want the premium rates. The Government made

:58:21. > :58:26.some concessions on that, but clearly, not enough in terms of the

:58:27. > :58:30.BMA stance after really years of negotiation, the Government lost

:58:31. > :58:33.patience. It says it will impose the contract later this year and we have

:58:34. > :58:38.reached a real impasse. So four strikes so far. And another one

:58:39. > :58:43.planned, 26th, 27th April is the next date? Yeah and that really

:58:44. > :58:47.takes it into new territory because the junior doctors will extend their

:58:48. > :58:50.action into A, to emergency surgery and intensive care, that's

:58:51. > :58:55.something that never happened before in the NHS. It doesn't mean those

:58:56. > :58:58.services are going to stop because hospitals will bring in more

:58:59. > :59:04.consultants and other healthcare staff to keep the show on the road

:59:05. > :59:10.in those areas and every effort will be made to ensure patients are safe,

:59:11. > :59:15.but there will be a knock on effect particularly for knee and hip

:59:16. > :59:17.operations and cataract procedures, much bigger disruption probably than

:59:18. > :59:21.we have seen so far and that's worrying at a time for the NHS when

:59:22. > :59:25.it is already working at or beyond full stretch. This dispute, remember

:59:26. > :59:30.is just about England, it is not happening in other parts of the UK.

:59:31. > :59:34.What is going on to try to to resolve this? What would it take?

:59:35. > :59:42.Unfortunately, we seem to have reached a point where the two sides

:59:43. > :59:48.haven't reached a point over what they disagree about. We have got a

:59:49. > :59:52.break down in trust. We have got patients group and doctors groups

:59:53. > :00:02.saying they need to step back from the brink. There have been calls for

:00:03. > :00:05.the BMA ka 20 to call off the strike action. The atmosphere is so bad,

:00:06. > :00:10.further industrial action seems likely. Two points that could affect

:00:11. > :00:13.things in the coming weeks, public opinion, so far, it has been pretty

:00:14. > :00:17.strongly behind the junior doctors. Will that remain the case as the

:00:18. > :00:22.dispute intensifies and there is further disruption? And then, we

:00:23. > :00:27.have got the attitude of junior doctors themselves. They have been

:00:28. > :00:32.out four times now. The dispute is due to escalate, will support for

:00:33. > :00:37.this dispute from the junior doctors themselves continue to sustain the

:00:38. > :00:41.momentum? Or will some of them decide the battle has been going on

:00:42. > :00:45.for too long, that's what the Government would like to see.

:00:46. > :00:46.Thank you, Adam. Now let's catch up with the weather. Nick Miller has

:00:47. > :00:55.the details. people who need the skills to get

:00:56. > :01:07.into the 21st-century. It is feeling more like winter. The

:01:08. > :01:09.lower temperatures adding to the colder feel.

:01:10. > :01:20.Some sunshine, but the showers could have hailed from the associated with

:01:21. > :01:25.them. Very gusty wind. The gusts will be approaching 60 miles an

:01:26. > :01:31.hour. That is adding in the chill we have talked about.

:01:32. > :01:40.Out of the wind, if you have a bit of sunshine in between the showers,

:01:41. > :01:44.it may not feel too bad. But it is cold overnight, further showers

:01:45. > :01:48.around. The bigger batch of showers heading south to stop the day, then

:01:49. > :01:54.sunshine and scattered showers for the afternoon, driven along on a

:01:55. > :01:58.brisk north-westerly wind. With the wind, it will feel colder than this.

:01:59. > :02:04.The unsettled theme will continue on Friday and into the weekend.

:02:05. > :02:11.Hello, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:02:12. > :02:12.Junior doctors begin another 48-hour strike,

:02:13. > :02:14.their fourth walkout in their long-running

:02:15. > :02:21.Hailed a hero in Iraq, the youngest-ever soldier to receive

:02:22. > :02:23.the George Medal tells this programme he feels

:02:24. > :02:31.He suffers from PTSD and now sleeps in his car.

:02:32. > :02:34.I didn't think it would affect me because it didn't feel

:02:35. > :02:37.reality at the time, and obviously after a year it sinks

:02:38. > :02:40.in and your depression kicks in and your drinking,

:02:41. > :02:42.but you don't realise you're changing, but other

:02:43. > :02:55.His father says he feels cast aside. He has gone from hero to zero,

:02:56. > :02:58.effectively. We will hear from other soldiers in

:02:59. > :03:07.similar positions next. We're one of the world's richest

:03:08. > :03:10.countries, but at a time of severe cuts to Government spending,

:03:11. > :03:13.can we still afford to spend ?12 billion a year on foreign aid,

:03:14. > :03:26.or is it time to think again? It is important that we become part

:03:27. > :03:30.of the global community. Why are we cutting our services at home, making

:03:31. > :03:35.it difficult for the health service, the police, benefits?

:03:36. > :03:49.Junior doctors in England have begun another 48-hour strike,

:03:50. > :03:51.their fourth walkout in their long-running

:03:52. > :03:53.Although 5,000 operations have been cancelled,

:03:54. > :03:57.The Government says the action is irresponsible

:03:58. > :04:03.The Business Secretary Sajid Javid is calling for a responsible sales

:04:04. > :04:06.process of the steelworks in Port Talbot as he

:04:07. > :04:12.arrives in Mumbai to meet the boss of Tata Steel.

:04:13. > :04:14.Mr Javid had talks in Downing Street yesterday with David Cameron

:04:15. > :04:16.and the Wales First Minister to discuss ways of saving

:04:17. > :04:19.Port Talbot and the other Tata-owned UK steel plants.

:04:20. > :04:21.It's thought Tata wants to sell its loss-making plants

:04:22. > :04:25.Mr Javid will meet the Tata chairman, and he's expected to press

:04:26. > :04:27.for reassurances on the terms of the sale.

:04:28. > :04:37.Donald Trump has been handed a blow after losing in Wisconsin. His main

:04:38. > :04:41.rival Ted Cruz easily won, making it harder for the businessman to win

:04:42. > :04:44.the Republican race at right. Donald Trump said the party leadership was

:04:45. > :04:45.trying to steal the nomination from him.

:04:46. > :04:47.The new president of Fifa, Gianni Infantino, is the latest

:04:48. > :04:50.prominent name to be linked with the leaking of financial

:04:51. > :04:53.When he worked at European football's governing body Uefa,

:04:54. > :04:57.he was a cosignatory to a contract for the sale of television rights

:04:58. > :05:02.in 2006 with two businessmen who have since been indicted

:05:03. > :05:09.Mr Infantino and Uefa say they've done nothing wrong.

:05:10. > :05:11.Iceland's coalition government has suggested it could seek early

:05:12. > :05:14.elections amid continuing anger a day after the prime

:05:15. > :05:19.Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, whose involvement with an offshore

:05:20. > :05:22.company was revealed by the Panama Papers,

:05:23. > :05:24.has denied that he resigned, saying he's handed over

:05:25. > :05:28.to his deputy for an unspecified period.

:05:29. > :05:32.A former soldier who became one of the youngest people ever

:05:33. > :05:35.to receive the George Medal for heroic actions in Iraq tells

:05:36. > :05:39.this programme he's now effectively homeless and living in his car.

:05:40. > :05:44.At 11:30am, I will talk about offshore tax havens on the BBC News

:05:45. > :05:45.Channel. A former soldier who became one

:05:46. > :05:48.of the youngest people ever to receive the George Medal

:05:49. > :05:50.for heroic actions in Iraq tells this programme he's now effectively

:05:51. > :05:54.homeless and living in his car. As a result of his experiences

:05:55. > :05:58.in Iraq, Daniel Smith, who's now 31, has post-traumatic stress disorder

:05:59. > :06:01.and says he feels I don't appreciate being dumped to

:06:02. > :06:19.one side. I have been cast aside. David Cameron is being accused

:06:20. > :06:22.of breaking his promises In an open letter published

:06:23. > :06:26.in the Guardian, a number of people affected by the phone-hacking

:06:27. > :06:28.scandal say they feel betrayed. A key part of the Royal Charter

:06:29. > :06:31.agreement on press regulation has been approved by Parliament,

:06:32. > :06:33.but has not yet come into law, after a Government decision

:06:34. > :06:35.to postpone it. Gerry McCann, the father

:06:36. > :06:37.of missing Madeline McCann, signed the letter and says little

:06:38. > :06:39.has changed since the recommendations were put forward

:06:40. > :06:41.by the Leveson Inquiry. All dogs over eight weeks old must

:06:42. > :06:44.be fitted with identifying A law which has been operating

:06:45. > :06:48.in Northern Ireland since 2012 now applies in England,

:06:49. > :06:50.Scotland and Wales. Owners who fail to comply could be

:06:51. > :06:53.fined ?500 but the Government estimates more than a million dogs

:06:54. > :06:58.have yet to be chipped. That's a summary of

:06:59. > :07:01.the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

:07:02. > :07:15.throughout the morning. Lots of you getting in touch about

:07:16. > :07:21.foreign aid. Fiona says, it should be stopped or cut, the Tories

:07:22. > :07:26.promised transparency. Stuart says, if you can afford a space programme,

:07:27. > :07:31.you don't need a hand-out. Tristan says, should we continue this? Yes,

:07:32. > :07:37.we have a duty to help those worst off than ourselves. Keep on letting

:07:38. > :07:43.us know what you think. We will talk to some of you on air.

:07:44. > :07:47.And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:07:48. > :07:50.Jessica's back with the sport now, and a look ahead to Anthony Joshua's

:07:51. > :07:57.heavyweight world title fight this weekend.

:07:58. > :08:01.British heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua goes for the IBF

:08:02. > :08:03.world title when he takes on Charles Martin on Saturday,

:08:04. > :08:05.in what will be his toughest fight to date.

:08:06. > :08:08.Joshua is yet to lose as a professional, and all of his

:08:09. > :08:11.wins have been by knockout, but critics have said it might be

:08:12. > :08:16.a step too soon for Joshua, with only 15 bouts under his belt.

:08:17. > :08:19.Olympic boxing champion from 2000 Audley Harrison joins me.

:08:20. > :08:37.Initially, I thought it would be a step too far, not because of who he

:08:38. > :08:42.is facing, but because of what it means if he wins, he will be on the

:08:43. > :08:45.level of Wladimir Klitschko and some of those experienced guys. But it is

:08:46. > :08:50.such a great opportunity to challenge for the world title

:08:51. > :08:56.against Charles Martin, who is a new champion, young, undefeated and

:08:57. > :09:02.hungry. This is a great opportunity for Anthony Joshua to become the

:09:03. > :09:06.world champion. You have some great insight into Charles Martin, what is

:09:07. > :09:12.he like as a fighter? He is here in California. He does not have the

:09:13. > :09:18.amateur pedigree, he did not come through that programme, but he is a

:09:19. > :09:22.rugged southpaw, six foot five, a good project, a counterpuncher, so

:09:23. > :09:26.he thinks about what he is doing. Anthony Joshua's strength is

:09:27. > :09:31.unrivalled in terms of heavyweights coming up. Look at George Foreman,

:09:32. > :09:37.Frank Bruno, they had a brutish strength, it is hard to keep them

:09:38. > :09:45.off. I will be intrigued to see what Charles Martin does to keep Anthony

:09:46. > :09:49.Joshua away from him. The atmosphere will be incredible, 20,000 people

:09:50. > :09:56.cheering his name. Charles Martin is coming into the Lions' down. All of

:09:57. > :10:00.the cards are pointing towards Anthony Joshua becoming champion of

:10:01. > :10:06.the world. What have you made of his career? The winning Olympic gold, he

:10:07. > :10:12.has done very well, 15 fights and 15 knockouts. He has not put a foot

:10:13. > :10:16.wrong. He is living the life, training, focused on his boxing,

:10:17. > :10:21.every guy they have given him he has dispatched. His last guy was a step

:10:22. > :10:28.up, it was a great fight, and he came through. This is another step

:10:29. > :10:32.up. If he wins this fight, there are so many big fights out there, all of

:10:33. > :10:37.the sudden the division is so exciting, not just in Britain but

:10:38. > :10:42.around the world, which is what heavyweight boxing has needed.

:10:43. > :10:46.Rubbermaid fridge go losing to Tyson Fury has opened the door, we have

:10:47. > :10:53.some mouthwatering fights on the table. Boxing fans will enjoy that

:10:54. > :10:58.on Saturday, a big match, heavyweight world title between

:10:59. > :11:04.Anthony Joshua and Charles Martin. That is all the sport for now.

:11:05. > :11:07.One of the youngest-ever soldiers to receive the George Medal

:11:08. > :11:10.for bravery after serving in Iraq has told this programme he feels

:11:11. > :11:14.abandoned by the army and is now effectively homeless and living

:11:15. > :11:18.Fusilier Daniel Smith was 20 when he risked his life twice

:11:19. > :11:22.in the space of a few days by trying to rescue colleagues who'd been

:11:23. > :11:27.As a result of what he saw in Iraq he now has Post-Traumatic Stress

:11:28. > :11:29.Disorder and says the support he's had from the armed

:11:30. > :11:41.I don't think there was much help, back then, because...

:11:42. > :11:45.Like now, PTSD is recognised now, but then it was not

:11:46. > :11:53.It was more like, pick yourself up and go.

:11:54. > :12:00.So you do what you do and complain while you're there.

:12:01. > :12:07.At the time I got blown up, I did not think it would affect me.

:12:08. > :12:09.It did not feel reality, at the time.

:12:10. > :12:12.A year later, it kind of sinks in, depression kicks in,

:12:13. > :12:14.you're drinking, and you don't realise you're changing,

:12:15. > :12:32.I haven't changed, you're the one that has

:12:33. > :12:37.The charity Combat Stress says it's seen a 28% increase in former

:12:38. > :12:39.members of the armed forces seeking mental-health support over

:12:40. > :12:42.the last year, that's treble what they saw the year before.

:12:43. > :12:46.Paul Fisher served in Afghanistan and was injured in an IED

:12:47. > :13:00.Zoe says, are used to treat in a homeless clinic, the amount of

:13:01. > :13:08.ex-soldiers was common. John says, I was injured in an IRA bombing and I

:13:09. > :13:12.still suffer. David says, it took 28 years for my disorder to be

:13:13. > :13:14.diagnosed, even with obvious signs, I ended up going off the rails.

:13:15. > :13:17.Paul Fisher served in Afghanistan and was injured in an IED

:13:18. > :13:19.He has Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

:13:20. > :13:23.Jay Wheeler served in the army for 15 years, including Afghanistan,

:13:24. > :13:26.where he saw his friend killed in a Taliban ambush.

:13:27. > :13:33.And Professor Neil Greenburg is a former MoD psychiatrist,

:13:34. > :13:48.who's now a specialist in PTSD at Kings College London.

:13:49. > :13:59.You 30, what would your experiences in the army and what happened? I

:14:00. > :14:04.served nine years, I joined in 2006, I went to Afghanistan after a long

:14:05. > :14:11.build-up. We were deployed in October 2000 and nine. The first

:14:12. > :14:16.incident for me was a blue on blue incident in our patrol base in

:14:17. > :14:23.December 2000 and nine. That is friendly fire? Yes, two Apaches. A

:14:24. > :14:29.big breakdown of communication, what they thought was the enemy was our

:14:30. > :14:34.patrol base, it injured 11 people and killed one in the space of a few

:14:35. > :14:40.minutes. Quite chaotic. And traumatic? How did you respond? You

:14:41. > :14:47.do what you need to do and crack on with the job. Above and beyond what

:14:48. > :14:54.they should have done. In a few weeks later, I got injured in an IED

:14:55. > :14:59.attack, and I got sent home. I spent ten days in Selly Oak with a

:15:00. > :15:08.shattered jaw and a back injury. A few months later, I started the PTSD

:15:09. > :15:14.symptoms, the anger, the low moods. I tried going back to work, for if

:15:15. > :15:18.you years, trying to crack on with my career and forget about it all.

:15:19. > :15:27.In denial more than anything. You say the symptoms were coming

:15:28. > :15:30.through. Had you been warned to look out for them? Did you know what was

:15:31. > :15:34.happening to you? Not at all, no. It is just looking back? Yeah, looking

:15:35. > :15:38.back you can see them now, but at the time, it is not something that

:15:39. > :15:43.was apparent to myself. It may have been to one or two people that

:15:44. > :15:46.didn't really mention it, but I think in the end it was my old

:15:47. > :15:53.company commander that noticed it and put me in touch with the medical

:15:54. > :15:58.officer. So what kind of support did you get then? I started receiving

:15:59. > :16:04.treatment from RAF Lucas at the department for community mental

:16:05. > :16:11.health. I weren't a big believer at first. I didn't sort of believe what

:16:12. > :16:17.was happening. I mean the CBT sessions... Cognitive behavioural

:16:18. > :16:22.therapy. It just seemed a lot of talking and lot a lot of action. It

:16:23. > :16:29.didn't seem like, I just felt I was just wasting time there. You are

:16:30. > :16:32.used to being active and this was about focussing on yourself?

:16:33. > :16:41.Focussing on my thoughts and things. I don't like people to think that

:16:42. > :16:47.there is something wrong or that I'm struggling so I found it quite hard

:16:48. > :16:52.to let it out that I was struggling. I think about ten appointments later

:16:53. > :16:55.I didn't really feel I wanted to carry on with that sort of

:16:56. > :17:00.treatment. It was only when I moved to Pontefract doing recruiting that

:17:01. > :17:05.I started seeking further treatment at Catterick which when I felt I

:17:06. > :17:10.really benefited support wise. And where you are today, how are you

:17:11. > :17:15.today? What is your life today? Just a househusband basically. A wife and

:17:16. > :17:20.two kids who adore. It is just nice to spend a lot of time with them. I

:17:21. > :17:26.am unemployed, but I am looking for work, but with the PTSD it is

:17:27. > :17:30.difficult. Is it through choice? It is struggling to find a job, not

:17:31. > :17:36.just any job, but a job that I can do without putting the added stress

:17:37. > :17:42.and flaring up the symptoms of PTSD. Jay, you served in the Army for 15

:17:43. > :17:47.years. You were diagnosed with most traumatic stress disorder after you

:17:48. > :17:52.saw a young man serving alongside you, a 21-year-old man killed. That

:17:53. > :17:58.turned out actually to be your last active tour of duty. Yes, it was.

:17:59. > :18:04.Tell us what happened. I did the 15 years. I did several tours in Kosovo

:18:05. > :18:13.and several tours in Iraq and I went out to Afghanistan in 2010,

:18:14. > :18:20.2009/2010. And Afghanistan, out of all the operational tours I had

:18:21. > :18:27.done, Afghanistan was the more... Chaotic. Sorry. Chaotic. There was a

:18:28. > :18:32.lot more going on. The Taliban was constantly engaging us on a daily

:18:33. > :18:41.basis with small arms fire and RPGs and nearly every day there was an

:18:42. > :18:48.IED going off. I have seen civilian people get killed and our own boys

:18:49. > :18:54.and girls and yeah, my friend Gunner Zac who was 21 and he lost his life

:18:55. > :18:59.out there and that was, I had never really experienced so much kind of

:19:00. > :19:09.hate and so much death in one place at one time. I came home from

:19:10. > :19:14.Afghanistan and within six months of being home, I started to become

:19:15. > :19:20.confrontational with people. I was very angry. I was feeling a lot of

:19:21. > :19:24.guilt as well. Guilt because you got to leave? I got to leave. I got to

:19:25. > :19:31.come back home, you know. Like Zac, he said goodbye to his family and

:19:32. > :19:37.that was it, you know. And the next time they saw him was when he came

:19:38. > :19:41.home in a coffin. So yeah, you know, I would be at home and I would be

:19:42. > :19:48.watching the news or something like that and every day it was like

:19:49. > :19:52.soldiers getting killed on a daily basis and it just frustrated me and

:19:53. > :19:56.I was getting angry and more upset with the Government and things like

:19:57. > :19:59.that and... You then effectively tried to shut yourself away from the

:20:00. > :20:04.world, didn't you? That's exactly what I did. I started living on the

:20:05. > :20:08.couch. I live on my own in an apartment in Liverpool. Started

:20:09. > :20:14.living on the couch. I started hoarding rubbish. And I'm not

:20:15. > :20:20.embarrassed to say at all, but I was hoarding rubbish and I was hoarding

:20:21. > :20:26.bottles of urine to this day I don't know why I was doing it, but I was

:20:27. > :20:32.living in a really, really bad way and literally eight months ago, I

:20:33. > :20:40.was burgled. Now, I got burgled and the police came and the police saw

:20:41. > :20:45.how I was living. They got in touch with military charity. And they got

:20:46. > :20:48.on board and came to see me and they have been supporting me ever since

:20:49. > :20:53.really. So that, the burglary turned out to be the first step towards you

:20:54. > :20:57.actually getting help? Yeah, most definitely. I kind of said, as a

:20:58. > :21:01.joke to the police, you know, when the guy had burgled my apartment, he

:21:02. > :21:05.could have at least taken some of the rubbish out of here, you know.

:21:06. > :21:12.But yeah, the turn around, the positive that came from it is very

:21:13. > :21:19.much needed. I mean, when I was, I had been diagnosed with PTSD and

:21:20. > :21:26.BPD, border line personality disorder and depression and when I

:21:27. > :21:29.was and I think I did a total of five suicide attempts because I had

:21:30. > :21:34.given up on myself and I had given up on life in general. What were you

:21:35. > :21:41.like before you went into the Army? I think I was a very upbeat guy and

:21:42. > :21:46.very physical. I loved my fitness and I loved interacting with people

:21:47. > :21:50.and the Army just enabled me to achieve a lot of good things in my

:21:51. > :21:54.life. I won several awards and come men tations and stuff and I really

:21:55. > :21:58.enjoyed -- commendations and stuff and I really enjoyed it, but it is

:21:59. > :22:04.when I came home and I went through the process of having a breakdown, I

:22:05. > :22:09.saw a lot of people leave my life who I thought were friends. They had

:22:10. > :22:15.gone and it just became a lonely, lonely place. And then I got

:22:16. > :22:21.admitted to my second psychiatric hospital and it was whilst I was in

:22:22. > :22:27.there in City Academy broadoak Unit in Liverpool, they encouraged me to

:22:28. > :22:33.take up art as therapy. And that made a big difference. Yes. I want

:22:34. > :22:36.to bring in a viewer who got in touch while watching us this

:22:37. > :22:42.morning. Charles, served in Afghanistan and was discharged in

:22:43. > :22:47.2013. He has got post post-traumatic stress disorder and he was crying

:22:48. > :22:50.when watching our interview earlier with Daniel Smith. Charles, thank

:22:51. > :22:53.you for getting in touch. What you saw obviously with Daniel, what

:22:54. > :23:02.Daniel was saying hit home with you. Tell us why? Actually the story of

:23:03. > :23:09.Daniel just, it hit me so hard because putting myself in Daniel's

:23:10. > :23:16.situation, it is very, very hard for some of us, you know. Having been

:23:17. > :23:21.diagnosed for PTSD and you left the Army. The Army is willing to let you

:23:22. > :23:25.go and there is no support, you know, and you feel the sense you

:23:26. > :23:33.become so angry with the Government because like there is a lot of

:23:34. > :23:37.things I that could have been done for so many of us. Daniel is

:23:38. > :23:45.sleeping in his car, it shouldn't happened. He sacrificed a lot for

:23:46. > :23:50.the country and even getting an ache is now sleeping in his car and it is

:23:51. > :23:58.something that shouldn't have happened. I was discharged in 2013

:23:59. > :24:06.for having PTSD and last year I went to the Combat Stress at Leatherhead,

:24:07. > :24:12.I was there for two weeks and I was expected to go in this year around

:24:13. > :24:16.June for another six weeks intensive, you know. So it is very,

:24:17. > :24:22.very difficult and I think that it is high time some of us come

:24:23. > :24:25.together and we sort of get this sort of these things that are

:24:26. > :24:28.happening in places in America where we have a Government department

:24:29. > :24:32.which deals with issues with veterans. So I think it would be

:24:33. > :24:36.well appreciated if a lot of things can be done for us that are

:24:37. > :24:40.suffering from PTSD because it is a serious issue that needs to be, you

:24:41. > :24:46.know, that needs proper looking into. Tell us what happened to you,

:24:47. > :24:59.Charles? What led to the post-traumatic stress disorder?

:25:00. > :25:05.Basically with my post traumatic stress disorder. I was an undercover

:25:06. > :25:12.soldier for Catterick. I passed out from training. I went through a lot

:25:13. > :25:21.in Catterick for that undercover soldier in 2008. I went on and I

:25:22. > :25:25.joined my unit at Chepstow in Wales and then from there I deployed to

:25:26. > :25:28.Afghanistan, you know, so the whole thing was just there and the very

:25:29. > :25:37.week that I got to Afghanistan, because I was based in Sangin, the

:25:38. > :25:46.very week I got there, I experienced this explosion on the patrol and a

:25:47. > :25:49.whole lot of things. Sangin was riddled with IEDs and all sorts of

:25:50. > :25:57.things. When we came back from the tour in 2009, I started discovering

:25:58. > :26:01.changes in my life which were taking into alcohol and I became

:26:02. > :26:05.aggressive, you know. So those were the things that happened to me. I

:26:06. > :26:15.want to bring, thank you Charles, I want to bring in Professor Neil

:26:16. > :26:20.Greenberg. Neil, these three men and Daniel who we heard from earlier,

:26:21. > :26:26.are these pretty typical stories? Good morning. So I think that it is

:26:27. > :26:30.definitely true that the sort of stories that you've shown on the

:26:31. > :26:34.show this morning are generally quite typical. I think that one of

:26:35. > :26:37.the biggest challenges and all the speakers have mentioned is the

:26:38. > :26:42.actual going to get help in the first place. So we know that in the

:26:43. > :26:47.Armed Forces for people who are still serving, somewhere between

:26:48. > :26:52.four and 7% of military personnel are likely to suffer with PTSD and

:26:53. > :26:57.that figure probably rises somewhere between 7% and 13% for people who

:26:58. > :27:00.have left the Armed Forces. The biggest challenge is once you have

:27:01. > :27:04.left, is where you go and get help? And I guess one of the things that

:27:05. > :27:07.saddens me quite a bit that I've heard from the stories is that

:27:08. > :27:15.whilst I agree it is not always easy to get help, there is an awful lot

:27:16. > :27:19.of help out there. One of the speakers mentioned Combat Stress, it

:27:20. > :27:21.provides care and support and treatment for people suffering from

:27:22. > :27:24.mental health problems who are suffering in the military, but there

:27:25. > :27:29.is a range of other charities and the National Health Service. So

:27:30. > :27:35.certainly within England and similarly excellent projects in

:27:36. > :27:39.Scotland and Wales, the NHS have set-up veterans' services that aim

:27:40. > :27:43.to appeal to veterans so people in the NHS services speak the same sort

:27:44. > :27:46.of language. They understand what military personnel go through and

:27:47. > :27:51.they can provide a range of treatments and refer people on.

:27:52. > :27:55.Clearly, sorry, clearly, there are men out there who do feel abandoned

:27:56. > :27:59.because they are finding it very difficult to pick up the piece of

:28:00. > :28:03.their lives having served and are finding it very difficult to go on

:28:04. > :28:07.in some cases, thinking that they can't actually see a future. What

:28:08. > :28:11.can be done to help them? Well, I think probably the most important

:28:12. > :28:14.thing and this programme is part of it is encouraging them to take the

:28:15. > :28:18.first step to go and get some help. Whilst it is not always easy to get

:28:19. > :28:22.an appointment with your GP, go and sit down with your GP. You are

:28:23. > :28:27.entitled to a GP to listen to what has gone on. Should the MoD play

:28:28. > :28:31.more of a role? Because once they leave the MoD then the

:28:32. > :28:35.responsibility for care switches elsewhere, do you think that that is

:28:36. > :28:38.something that could be looked at? Well, I think one of the

:28:39. > :28:41.difficulties there and I agree obviously the MoD in some senses

:28:42. > :28:46.caused the problems so it is easy to say they should try and fix it, but

:28:47. > :28:51.the whole of the MoD's mental health services are aimed towards getting

:28:52. > :28:55.people ready to go on operations. The treatments they provide are ones

:28:56. > :28:57.that are aiming to get you fit so you can go and deploy again

:28:58. > :29:00.somewhere. Many of the people that you've interviewed today talk about

:29:01. > :29:04.having a much more long-standing problem. These people are never

:29:05. > :29:07.going to be able to stay within military service because they are

:29:08. > :29:11.not going to be able to get fit enough to go back out to Iraq or

:29:12. > :29:15.Afghanistan or similar places. So the MoD's treatments are really all

:29:16. > :29:18.aimed towards getting you well. The charities and the National Health

:29:19. > :29:23.Service understand that some people don't get better. At least, not to

:29:24. > :29:26.the state that they are ready to deploy operationally again and so

:29:27. > :29:32.the care that they provide and there is lots of charities like Walking

:29:33. > :29:35.With The Wounded and Combat Stress and the National Health Service and

:29:36. > :29:38.many others, all aim to provide people with care that gets them well

:29:39. > :29:43.so they can have a good civilian life. And I think the MoD, whilst it

:29:44. > :29:47.is nice to think they should provide the treatment, that's not their

:29:48. > :29:52.primary expertise. Their expertise is getting people fit enough to

:29:53. > :29:59.deploy again. Thank you very much. Thanks to all of you for joining us.

:30:00. > :30:02.Graham tweeted, "Talking about post-traumatic stress disorder,

:30:03. > :30:07.brilliant about time." Another viewer says, "Great segment on

:30:08. > :30:13.post-traumatic stress disorder. Brave of them to speak out." Sharon

:30:14. > :30:16.says, "The MoD must take full responsibility for resettlement of

:30:17. > :30:18.military personnel and they must be given priority for health and

:30:19. > :30:22.housing." An MoD spokesperson told us

:30:23. > :30:24.that it couldn't comment on individual cases,

:30:25. > :30:27.but it said, "We provide a wide range of support both

:30:28. > :30:29.during and after military service, including the Career

:30:30. > :30:30.Transition Partnership scheme, which helps individuals transition

:30:31. > :30:32.into civilian life. Veterans are eligible

:30:33. > :30:34.for resettlement support and priority NHS treatment

:30:35. > :30:35.for conditions linked Still to come, the Government

:30:36. > :30:50.needs to save money, Victims of the hacking scandal

:30:51. > :30:52.claimed the Prime Minister has broken their promises. We asked one

:30:53. > :31:01.man why he feels let down. The Government needs to save money,

:31:02. > :31:04.so where should the axe fall? Foreign aid along with health

:31:05. > :31:07.and defence are protected from cuts, With the news, here's Maxine

:31:08. > :31:16.in the BBC Newsroom. Junior doctors in England have begun

:31:17. > :31:19.another 48-hour strike, their fourth walkout

:31:20. > :31:21.in their long-running Although 5,000 operations

:31:22. > :31:29.have been cancelled, The Government says

:31:30. > :31:32.the action is irresponsible The Business Secretary Sajid Javid

:31:33. > :31:39.is calling for a responsible sales process of the steelworks

:31:40. > :31:41.in Port Talbot as he arrives in Mumbai to meet

:31:42. > :31:48.the boss of Tata Steel. It's thought Tata wants

:31:49. > :31:50.to sell its loss-making plants Mr Javid is expected to press

:31:51. > :32:03.the Tata chairman for reassurances The Chancellor says the Government

:32:04. > :32:08.is doing all it can to help. It is a difficult situation for the

:32:09. > :32:12.and their families, that is why we are doing everything we can to help

:32:13. > :32:16.that business in South Wales and steel mills across the country, that

:32:17. > :32:20.is why the Business Secretary has gone to India to talk to the

:32:21. > :32:28.management of Tata to make sure there is a long-term future for this

:32:29. > :32:29.vital industry. What is the most that we can expect

:32:30. > :32:43.to get from today's meetings? I am standing in front of the

:32:44. > :32:50.building, the headquarters of the Tata group, where the meeting will

:32:51. > :32:53.be held. I have spoken to Tata, they have sent out an assurance that the

:32:54. > :32:57.process of the sale will be transparent and thorough. The

:32:58. > :33:01.Business Secretary will hope for an agreement that whatever deal it

:33:02. > :33:06.strikes to sell off its UK operations, it will not result in

:33:07. > :33:13.mass job losses. Tata employs 15,000 workers in the UK. Tata have said it

:33:14. > :33:19.is not about how good or bad deal is, for them what is essential is to

:33:20. > :33:23.cut the financial losses of their steel operations in the UK. They

:33:24. > :33:29.have suffered losses of ?1 million every day for the last year. They

:33:30. > :33:34.want this process to happen quickly, although they have not set a time

:33:35. > :33:38.frame. I suspect one of the things that the Business Secretary will

:33:39. > :33:43.want to know is how long Tata can afford to continue its operations

:33:44. > :33:47.while we wait to find a buyer. Yesterday, the Business Secretary

:33:48. > :33:53.met with union leaders, they have sent a message for the Tata

:33:54. > :33:57.chairman, they expect the sale to be responsible. He also met with a

:33:58. > :34:02.potential buyer, the Chief Executive of a commodities firm, he says he

:34:03. > :34:05.things he might be interested in buying the steel business in the UK.

:34:06. > :34:10.Whatever discussions he had yesterday, that will be one of the

:34:11. > :34:11.things that they are likely to discuss in the meeting held here

:34:12. > :34:22.today. Donald Trump's campaign has been

:34:23. > :34:27.dealt a blow after losing a vote in the key American state of Wisconsin.

:34:28. > :34:31.His main rival Ted Cruz easily won, making it harder for the businessmen

:34:32. > :34:34.to win the Republican race and quite. Concert the party's

:34:35. > :34:40.leadership was trying to steal the nomination from him.

:34:41. > :34:43.Iceland's Government has suggested it could seek early elections a day

:34:44. > :34:49.after the Prime Minister stepped aside. His involvement with an

:34:50. > :34:54.offshore company was revealed by the Panama papers. He has done I'd that

:34:55. > :34:55.he has resigned, he says he has handed over to his deputy for an

:34:56. > :34:57.unspecified period. Join me for BBC

:34:58. > :35:01.Newsroom live at 11am. Jessica's here with the sport now,

:35:02. > :35:04.and more on Rangers' return Rangers are back in the top flight

:35:05. > :35:11.of Scottish football Our Scottish football reporter

:35:12. > :35:16.Chris McLaughlin joins me now, and can explain a bit more

:35:17. > :35:30.about their remarkable journey. It has been an incredible journey.

:35:31. > :35:35.An incredible four years. In 2012, after years of mismanagement, one of

:35:36. > :35:41.British football's biggest clubs faced financial meltdown,

:35:42. > :35:46.administration led to liquidation, a new club was formed, a new company

:35:47. > :35:49.was formed to take the club forward, the Scottish footballing authorities

:35:50. > :35:52.forced them to start life again in the bottom of Scottish football.

:35:53. > :35:59.They have been slowly working their way up since 2012, we have had

:36:00. > :36:02.boardroom battles behind the scenes, courtroom battles, which are still

:36:03. > :36:07.ongoing, but last night that came to a climax, because they have secured

:36:08. > :36:12.their place back in the top flight of Scottish football. The Big

:36:13. > :36:18.Questions now is, when the party dies down, can they compete with

:36:19. > :36:21.Celtic next season? The fans hope so, the players are determined that

:36:22. > :36:26.they want to challenge for honours next season. We'll get a taste of

:36:27. > :36:33.it, because Rangers play Celtic at Hampden Park in the cup a week on

:36:34. > :36:36.Sunday. The old firm derby is back. That is

:36:37. > :36:56.all be sport for this morning. Let's talk to Stephen Kinnock about

:36:57. > :37:03.Tata. A potential buyer is stepping into the frame, how are you feeling

:37:04. > :37:06.about the situation? The proposals are very interesting, but I also

:37:07. > :37:12.think it is important that we don't jump in. The Government is in a

:37:13. > :37:15.total shambles over this. The risk is there will be a panic and they

:37:16. > :37:19.will want to go with the first buyer that comes. There is another

:37:20. > :37:25.interesting opportunity which could be a management buyout. If the right

:37:26. > :37:30.financial backing can be found, that is worth looking at as well. But I

:37:31. > :37:36.will be meeting with Mr Gupta soon, and I am looking forward to hearing

:37:37. > :37:39.his proposal. How much time is there to play with? Tata have not been

:37:40. > :37:44.clear on how long they are prepared to give this, it is costing them

:37:45. > :37:48.money everyday. It is great that the Business Secretary has found his way

:37:49. > :37:52.to Mumbai. What he needs to come home with its clarity from Tata as

:37:53. > :37:58.to how long they see this process taking. We need the Government to

:37:59. > :38:02.give as much support as they can, to give the process as much time as

:38:03. > :38:07.possible. We have to have a realistic time frame. You have been

:38:08. > :38:13.to Mumbai, you have had talks, you could not get a straight answer? We

:38:14. > :38:17.went out to try to get them to back the turnaround plan. It became

:38:18. > :38:23.obvious they were not going to do that. What we pushed for was clarity

:38:24. > :38:27.on how long it would take. They said it depends on the kind of support

:38:28. > :38:30.they get from the Government. The ball is in the Government's court,

:38:31. > :38:35.they have been asleep on the wheel for the last four or five years,

:38:36. > :38:41.they finally seem to be waking up, let's hope it is not too late.

:38:42. > :38:42.Victims of press intrusion have accused David Cameron

:38:43. > :38:46.In a letter to the Prime Minister, campaigners say that the failure

:38:47. > :38:49.to implement a key part of the Royal Charter agreed after

:38:50. > :38:52.the Leveson Inquiry is a betrayal of the public and Parliament.

:38:53. > :38:54.Gerry McCann, the father of missing Madeline McCann,

:38:55. > :38:59.is one of the signatories to the letter.

:39:00. > :39:03.We don't see any front-page apologies for people

:39:04. > :39:09.who have had stories misrepresented, or libel.

:39:10. > :39:12.Supposedly Ipso have teeth, but they don't use them.

:39:13. > :39:19.We really need proper independent self-regulation.

:39:20. > :39:22.And if proper independent self-regulation doesn't come

:39:23. > :39:33.into force, Leveson was also clear than what we should be moving

:39:34. > :39:37.Personally, I have made this clear in the past, Leveson's

:39:38. > :39:39.recommendations were the minimum I would be happy with.

:39:40. > :39:42.And if they aren't met, then it has been a waste of time and money,

:39:43. > :39:47.many victims have put themselves through the mill to go

:39:48. > :39:49.and give evidence at that inquiry all over again.

:39:50. > :39:52.A survivor of the 7/7 London bombings, Paul Dadge,

:39:53. > :40:07.Do you feel let down? Absolutely. We have been let down. I have been

:40:08. > :40:13.involved in this campaign for as long as he has. We have been made

:40:14. > :40:20.numerous promises, and they have not been kept. What do you want to

:40:21. > :40:26.happen that has not happened? There are two things, that the cost

:40:27. > :40:29.incentives that were agreed our port into force, which would allow access

:40:30. > :40:35.to justice for members of the public. Members of the public who do

:40:36. > :40:39.not have the money to take newspapers to court. It is important

:40:40. > :40:42.to state that this has been brought into place because newspapers have

:40:43. > :40:48.not joined a Leveson Report line regulator. If they had, they would

:40:49. > :41:00.not have been forced down this element of cost incentives. Ipso say

:41:01. > :41:04.they have more powers than the commission, they say there is a

:41:05. > :41:09.chairman of unimpeachable independence, a board and a

:41:10. > :41:12.committee with a lay majority and a faster complaints process that has

:41:13. > :41:15.resulted in eight front-page corrections in the last year, which

:41:16. > :41:22.was unheard of under the previous regime. As has just been said, the

:41:23. > :41:29.direction of apologies is something that is not in place. We are not

:41:30. > :41:33.seeing complaints and apologies getting the forefront that they

:41:34. > :41:37.deserve. I went to the offices of Ipso the day it launched, which was

:41:38. > :41:45.in the offices of the PCC, with the blue tacked Ipso signed up over the

:41:46. > :41:48.PCC, which is quite telling. Tell us the impact of the hacking on you,

:41:49. > :41:54.because you have got heavily involved in everything since then.

:41:55. > :42:02.What impact did it have on you? I was always somebody that would talk

:42:03. > :42:05.to the press in the aftermath of Tata, and I felt I had lost control

:42:06. > :42:11.of the information I was giving. There was pressure put on myself as

:42:12. > :42:16.well as the video, in a photograph with me, to talk to the press. I was

:42:17. > :42:19.once strolled that journalists would be fired unless they were able to

:42:20. > :42:23.set up a meeting between me and her. I think that was true, and

:42:24. > :42:29.journalists are under pressure to deliver stories. For me, that put me

:42:30. > :42:34.under emotional stress. When the phone hacking came to fruition, I

:42:35. > :42:35.felt I had lost control of the information I was giving to the

:42:36. > :42:45.press. David Cameron has further clarified

:42:46. > :42:58.his position on his tax affairs. A fourth statement by David

:42:59. > :43:02.Cameron's team. If you remember dressing down on a balloon and

:43:03. > :43:08.another bit would bulge, that is what seems to be happening as number

:43:09. > :43:12.ten try to grip this story. You wind back 24 hours, the word from number

:43:13. > :43:18.ten was, this is a private matter. In the afternoon, we had David

:43:19. > :43:22.Cameron say, I don't benefit from any offshore funds or investment,

:43:23. > :43:26.and everybody thought, what about your family? In the evening, there

:43:27. > :43:31.was another statement to say that neither Mr Cameron nor Samantha

:43:32. > :43:35.Cameron nor the children benefited from offshore funds. Overnight,

:43:36. > :43:40.everybody thought, what about in the future or in the past? So, Downing

:43:41. > :43:43.Street have issued a fourth statement. They say, there are no

:43:44. > :43:57.offshore trusts or funds... The critical bit is in the future.

:43:58. > :44:04.What they don't address and have not addressed so far is, what about the

:44:05. > :44:10.past? Have the family in any way benefited from his late father's

:44:11. > :44:13.investment fund? The questions are spreading. George Osborne was

:44:14. > :44:24.challenged whether he had benefited from an offshore fund.

:44:25. > :44:32.We are having a technical gremlin. He took a body swerve, he did not

:44:33. > :44:35.really addressed the question beyond saying that all his financial

:44:36. > :44:41.arrangements were in the register of members' interest, he was asked

:44:42. > :44:45.again, and he got out of screen pretty quickly. Number ten are

:44:46. > :44:51.deeply wounded by this, and they want to close it down as quickly as

:44:52. > :44:54.possible, because having pictures of the PM in the papers alongside

:44:55. > :45:00.pictures of wealthy tax avoidance, the likes of President Assad,

:45:01. > :45:04.Vladimir Putin, that is absolutely not what they want. But I am afraid

:45:05. > :45:12.the questions still keep coming. The instant messaging service

:45:13. > :45:14.Whatsapp says it will now encrypt all communication made on the app

:45:15. > :45:17.in a bid to keep messages private. It follows a row over an encrypted

:45:18. > :45:20.iPhone between Apple and the FBI. Technology reporter Chris Foxx

:45:21. > :45:31.is here to explain more. Tell us more about why whales app

:45:32. > :45:39.will be doing this? They are saying they are doing this to give people

:45:40. > :45:42.their privacy. This is called enter ending encryption. Let me show a

:45:43. > :45:46.diagram of how this works. You have your message on your computer or

:45:47. > :45:51.your phone, but it travels across the internet. It can go through

:45:52. > :45:58.various hands, your internet service provider, the message service, like

:45:59. > :46:04.whatsapp and it could be intercepted as it goes to your recipient. As

:46:05. > :46:08.soon as a message leaves your phone, it is scramble and it isn't

:46:09. > :46:21.descripted until it receives at the other end. So no one is intercept it

:46:22. > :46:29.and if they do, they will get a load of nonsense. Why are they doing

:46:30. > :46:34.this? The leak by Edward Snowden showed how much Government agencies

:46:35. > :46:38.were spying on what people do. With end to end encryption they don't do

:46:39. > :46:44.that. They can't log every message you isn't because it is scrambled

:46:45. > :46:48.along the way. People who advocate for privacy say it is a great thing.

:46:49. > :46:51.There is the risk if someone can unlock your phone, they can read

:46:52. > :46:55.your messages and that's what happened in the FBI and Apple case.

:46:56. > :46:59.The FBI have managed to unlock that particular iPhone so they can read

:47:00. > :47:05.the messages that are on there. If whatsapp is doing this, how many

:47:06. > :47:10.other unencrypted services that might decide the same? Text

:47:11. > :47:15.messaging is unencrypted, but there are other messaging apps, more niche

:47:16. > :47:19.apps, whatsapp has one billion users. There are things like

:47:20. > :47:24.Telegram which has been used by Islamic State to exchange messages.

:47:25. > :47:27.That's already encrypted and BlackBerry messenger has an version

:47:28. > :47:32.that's encrypted and people are steering towards this now that all

:47:33. > :47:35.communications will be and on whatsapp, voice calls and picture

:47:36. > :47:37.messages, all is scrambled until it gets to the other end. Interesting,

:47:38. > :47:43.thank you very much, Chris. This morning you've been telling us

:47:44. > :47:56.what you think about the amount Andrew e-mailed to say, "It seems

:47:57. > :48:00.perverse that we are spending millions of pound of aid to India

:48:01. > :48:07.when they are a country with a nuclear and a space programme, but

:48:08. > :48:12.an Indian owned charity is threatening thousands of UK mostly

:48:13. > :48:16.Welsh jobs. Spend the money on Welsh charities instead." Ken says, "It is

:48:17. > :48:19.obscene the UK is spending ?12 billion on overseas aid particularly

:48:20. > :48:25.when the state of the UK is hovering on becoming a third world country.

:48:26. > :48:29.There is an odd adage about such funds being sent to such a country

:48:30. > :48:32.for education, when the sum arrived at the department, there was barely

:48:33. > :48:37.enough to purchase a packet of pencils. Many people would have no

:48:38. > :48:43.problem believing this, even though it is without qualification." Carol

:48:44. > :48:48.says, "Foreign aid should be cut and put to use at home. It is heart

:48:49. > :48:53.wrenching to hear stories like Daniel's and know that he is one of

:48:54. > :48:58.our many ex-servicemen not being looked after." "Another viewer says,

:48:59. > :49:02."Humans lives are more important than money. If it is, we must stop.

:49:03. > :49:05.." Many charities, like Oxfam,

:49:06. > :49:07.who received ?45 million in foreign aid, say they couldn't do their work

:49:08. > :49:10.without that money. So what kind of projects

:49:11. > :49:19.does it get spent on? Thank you for coming in. ?45 million

:49:20. > :49:23.from the Government for Oxfam. Spent on what? We spend it in a number of

:49:24. > :49:27.different countries in a number of different ways. Let me tell you

:49:28. > :49:34.about three different countries where we spend it. The first country

:49:35. > :49:38.is in Syria where there is a much publicised conflict. Oxfam is

:49:39. > :49:41.working inside Syria where half the population are in need of

:49:42. > :49:44.humanitarian assistance and what we do is we are working there to

:49:45. > :49:47.provide 1.5 million people with access to clean water and

:49:48. > :49:53.sanitation. It is really important work that we're doing there. In West

:49:54. > :49:56.Africa, during the Ebola crisis, we helped 1.3 million people again with

:49:57. > :50:00.money from the British Government and we helped people before the

:50:01. > :50:05.crisis in terms of before as it was building in terms of understanding

:50:06. > :50:09.about healthcare, hygiene, but also access again to clean water and

:50:10. > :50:15.sanitation. But we are still there now. So carry on putting out public

:50:16. > :50:18.messaging and helping people understand how important clean water

:50:19. > :50:24.and sanitation is and the third country is a forgotten emergency in

:50:25. > :50:27.the Democratic Republic of Congo, we are working with 1.5 million people

:50:28. > :50:29.and there are a lot of people who are not able to return home

:50:30. > :50:35.following the conflict there and they are at risk of violence and

:50:36. > :50:40.theft and rape and we help them deal with road blocks and we are

:50:41. > :50:44.providing clean water. What do you say to people who say charity should

:50:45. > :50:49.begin at home? I think it is a false choice. The Panama Papers have shown

:50:50. > :50:54.there is money that is there, but it is being secreted away in tax

:50:55. > :50:58.havens. So the UK, we should be so proud of our aid money. We do

:50:59. > :51:02.amazing and remarkable things on a daily basis. It saves lives. It

:51:03. > :51:06.helps countries get ready for disasters when they are coming. It

:51:07. > :51:11.helps countries deal with disasters and we help countries deal with them

:51:12. > :51:17.in the aftermath the earthquake in Nepal is a good point. Why should

:51:18. > :51:20.foreign aid be ring-fenced? It is important we ring-fence that money

:51:21. > :51:24.because it is what countries need in order to plan. At Oxfam, we are

:51:25. > :51:28.really grateful to the British Government for the support we

:51:29. > :51:31.receive, but we still have to make choices about where we can deploy

:51:32. > :51:34.our resources because we can't be everywhere. We have real

:51:35. > :51:38.conversations when emergencies happen about where do we put our

:51:39. > :51:42.resources? Where do we put our clean water provision? How do we manage

:51:43. > :51:54.that. Sally, thank you. Listening to you a panel of viewers. We can talk

:51:55. > :51:59.to Kema Allen and David who is retired and thinks foreign aid is a

:52:00. > :52:06.vanity project, Joe supports foreign aid, but thinks more can be spent at

:52:07. > :52:11.home. Marina says the UK has an obligation to help poorer countries.

:52:12. > :52:16.David Thomas is retired. He thinks we can't afford to invest so much in

:52:17. > :52:23.aid. Thank you very much for joining us. Let me start with you Kema, you

:52:24. > :52:29.work in HR, and think foreign aid is vital. Why? Well, I think if we look

:52:30. > :52:35.at what the British Government and the foreign aid has done to a number

:52:36. > :52:39.of countries overseas in terms of helping humanitarian aid and

:52:40. > :52:46.emergency aid, I think we have done a lot for a lot of countries who

:52:47. > :52:49.desperately need the support and who really rely on the United Kingdom

:52:50. > :52:55.and the British Government for their support. So I it would be a shame

:52:56. > :53:00.for us to pull that away especially as we take a lead well, among the

:53:01. > :53:05.other G7 countries to ensure that we are pushing and to lead the way in

:53:06. > :53:08.that and I think we are taking a stand and I think we should carry on

:53:09. > :53:14.doing that. David, you think it is a vanity project? Well, when it comes

:53:15. > :53:20.to David Cameron and George Osborne, yes. It is part of there we are all

:53:21. > :53:24.in it together, Big Society, but there is so much corruption with the

:53:25. > :53:29.foreign aid, you take Pakistan, they are getting it for schools. The guy

:53:30. > :53:36.who is getting the money is claiming for nine schools that don't exist.

:53:37. > :53:41.On that, the Department for International Development says there

:53:42. > :53:44.have been claims in newspapers things misrepresented and actually

:53:45. > :53:48.everything is subject to rigorous interm and external checks and

:53:49. > :53:51.scrutiny at all stages. There have been incidents where there have been

:53:52. > :53:56.problems. If you could be guaranteed all the money was spent correctly,

:53:57. > :54:03.would you be happy to see the money ring-fenced? Not ring-fenced, no. I

:54:04. > :54:07.think we should target the aid we give and make sure it has been spent

:54:08. > :54:12.correctly. Now, if we need less money, that's fine. If we need more

:54:13. > :54:15.money, OK, we put more money in. Joe, a student who supports foreign

:54:16. > :54:18.aid, but thinks more could be spent at home. What do you think about the

:54:19. > :54:21.balance right now then? There are serious issues. There is a housing

:54:22. > :54:24.crisis, there is foodbanks being used. There is low wages and

:54:25. > :54:28.zero-hours contracts, there is serious issues that need to be

:54:29. > :54:32.addressed in the country, but there doesn't have to be addressed by

:54:33. > :54:36.taking money away from the poorest people in the world. That's a false

:54:37. > :54:40.choice and it is them versus us or narrative that's been spread a lot

:54:41. > :54:43.at the moment with the Ukip and the EU referendum. There is a sort of

:54:44. > :54:47.idea that our problems are caused by things overseas and if we brought

:54:48. > :54:50.them back, we would have more control over the borders or we can

:54:51. > :54:53.have more control over our money and I think it is a false choice. What

:54:54. > :54:58.do you think about the foreign aid budget? I think The Mail on Sunday

:54:59. > :55:07.has done a good job by highlighting where it has gone wrong and I do

:55:08. > :55:11.also think that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The

:55:12. > :55:18.money reaches the people who actually need it. So I am in favour

:55:19. > :55:23.of foreign aid. If we start cutting now, the pressure will never stop.

:55:24. > :55:27.Going back to what you were saying about, as I mentioned before, the

:55:28. > :55:31.Department for International Development says not all the stories

:55:32. > :55:36.that are out there are completely accurate and in terms of the money

:55:37. > :55:39.that is being spent, it is scrutinised, would you happy if you

:55:40. > :55:43.felt there was proper scrutiny? The problem is, it is scrutinised this

:55:44. > :55:48.end, but we cannot really control if you give the money to the Pakistani

:55:49. > :55:53.Government or elsewhere, we control it this side, but we don't

:55:54. > :55:59.necessarily control it their end so yes, I mean, I do support foreign

:56:00. > :56:04.aid and I support the 0.7% target as well because I said if we cut it

:56:05. > :56:08.now, the pressure will never stop there will be more and more attempts

:56:09. > :56:13.to cut it. I do think, I understand there is a pressure now on the

:56:14. > :56:18.budget. We need to make sure that, you know, issues like Tata Steel and

:56:19. > :56:24.other issues, the NHS, we need to spend money here too, but the money

:56:25. > :56:28.can be raised elsewhere. For example, we can raise money

:56:29. > :56:36.elsewhere. David Thomas, what do you think, David? Well, my personal view

:56:37. > :56:41.is that there is ?16 billion I've read was put into foreign aid last

:56:42. > :56:48.year. ?12.2 billion is the figure, yes. Is a that the exact figure, it

:56:49. > :56:53.is only what I read. Now, there is, the Health Service is in trouble up

:56:54. > :56:57.to ?15 billion a year. We have people still in all over England who

:56:58. > :57:01.were in the floods, who are still suffering and they are trying to get

:57:02. > :57:05.their act together. They are getting no help at all whatsoever. We have

:57:06. > :57:09.all these charities who raise billions and billions of pounds, why

:57:10. > :57:13.do we not use the charity? The people who use the money should be

:57:14. > :57:16.given it. The British Government is running a deficit. So if you're

:57:17. > :57:21.running a deficit, why do you borrow money to give away? It doesn't make

:57:22. > :57:26.sense. Phil Taylor joining us now as well. What's your prospective? You

:57:27. > :57:29.have launched a petition, I think, calling for the foreign aid budget

:57:30. > :57:35.to be cut? I have in actual fact, yes. There is a lot of

:57:36. > :57:41.misconceptions about us being a rich country. Greece has ?300 billion, we

:57:42. > :57:45.are in debt for five times that amount of money. It does make things

:57:46. > :57:50.difficult from that point of view. The best solution would be to make

:57:51. > :57:54.camps happy, cut the ?12 billion aid in half, ?6 billion to stay in the

:57:55. > :57:57.UK, ?6 billion for overseas aid, but all to be accountable. We have

:57:58. > :58:02.rattled through hearing from all of you with your views on it. Thank you

:58:03. > :58:05.very much all of you for joining us with your thoughts on that and thank

:58:06. > :58:09.you at home as well for joining us on the programme today with your

:58:10. > :58:13.thoughts and your company. On the programme tomorrow, we'll bring you

:58:14. > :58:17.latest in interviews with London's mayoral candidates. You can see

:58:18. > :58:22.Newsroom Live is coming up next. Thank you very much forryard company

:58:23. > :58:23.today. Have a lovely day and I will see you at the same time tomorrow.

:58:24. > :58:31.Bye-bye.