07/04/2016

:02:04. > :02:05.Over 14 pages, it sets out why the government believes

:02:06. > :02:11.it is in Britain's interest to stay in the EU.

:02:12. > :02:14.But those who disagree are furious that the government are using money

:02:15. > :02:22.It is crazy to use that much taxpayer money on stuff to scare

:02:23. > :02:26.people and to stampede people in one direction.

:02:27. > :02:30.What we want is a proper and informed debate.

:02:31. > :02:34.And if you are going to use taxpayers money you should allow

:02:35. > :02:37.that for the other people to use it as well.

:02:38. > :02:41.It will be sent to all 27 million UK households.

:02:42. > :02:46.That's more than the ?7 million limit that each side

:02:47. > :02:53.The government says it is giving the public the facts that they want.

:02:54. > :02:57.It is important that people understand what

:02:58. > :03:00.the government research shows, what the governments' information

:03:01. > :03:06.shows and they can use to make their own decisions.

:03:07. > :03:08.Those who want to leave the European Union say

:03:09. > :03:11.that the distribution may be legal but it flies in the face

:03:12. > :03:13.of the government's commitment to ensure a free

:03:14. > :03:34.Where does this go from here? When I get these leaflets through the door

:03:35. > :03:42.I usually throw them straight in the booing. What a storm has blown up

:03:43. > :03:47.over this leaflet. Why? Because bluntly the Leave side think the

:03:48. > :03:50.government is trying to rig the referendum by pumping out this

:03:51. > :03:55.leaflets to all of our households, which we are paying for, total cost

:03:56. > :03:58.?9 million, despite the fact they say the government had promised it

:03:59. > :04:06.would not send out these mailshots and would not take a lead role in

:04:07. > :04:10.the Remain campaign. They say the leaflet is one-sided. It just

:04:11. > :04:15.prevents -- presents the government side. It talks about economic

:04:16. > :04:19.uncertainty, chaos for ten years, mobile phone charges will go up, it

:04:20. > :04:28.will cost us more to fly to Europe. They are incensed. Listen to the

:04:29. > :04:33.former defence secretary, Liam Fox. To it is completely unacceptable. I

:04:34. > :04:35.will be putting mine in an envelope and sending it back to Downing

:04:36. > :04:40.Street. I would urge others to do the same. There will be an online

:04:41. > :04:44.petition launched later today to make sure we get the issue discussed

:04:45. > :04:52.in Parliament, so we can make no narrow road rage at what the

:04:53. > :04:56.government has done. -- make known in our outrage. Michael Fallon says

:04:57. > :05:01.the government is just setting out its case. The government is neutral.

:05:02. > :05:07.It is on the side of remaining in the EU. So it is perfectly OK. We

:05:08. > :05:12.have respected the rules. Parliament has set out what should happen in

:05:13. > :05:16.the campaign. Both sides will be entitled to access taxpayer money to

:05:17. > :05:19.send out their own leaflets. They can spend millions of pounds setting

:05:20. > :05:26.out the arguments why they think we should leave or remain. What we have

:05:27. > :05:29.done in this leaflet is set at the basic facts that have to be decided

:05:30. > :05:36.on. And said that the government's judgment. My senses that the Leave

:05:37. > :05:40.side are being a tad wide-eyed and innocent about all of this. The

:05:41. > :05:47.government will fight tooth and nail to win this referendum because it is

:05:48. > :05:51.a sort of winner takes all tussle. Should one be surprised? Not really.

:05:52. > :05:57.They have already put out dossier is on the cost of the farming industry

:05:58. > :06:04.-- to the farming industry. The cost to the city. The economic risks of

:06:05. > :06:08.leaving. Some of the language has been rich. The PM has been out

:06:09. > :06:13.pretty much every week twice a week. They are throwing everything at

:06:14. > :06:20.this. Perhaps one should not be surprised they have also published

:06:21. > :06:26.this leaflet. The leaflet is online. You can look at it on there. Thank

:06:27. > :06:29.you. Here's Ben with

:06:30. > :06:36.the rest of the news. Iceland's governing coalition has

:06:37. > :06:38.chosen a new Prime Minister, after the leaked Panama papers

:06:39. > :06:40.caused Sigmundur The Fisheries Minister

:06:41. > :06:46.will be his successor until There have been public protests

:06:47. > :06:51.in Rejkjavik calling for the entire A 14 year old girl who went missing

:06:52. > :06:57.almost two weeks ago, has been found safe and well

:06:58. > :07:00.by police in Wigan. Concerns had been growing

:07:01. > :07:02.for the safety of Jade Lynch following her disappearance

:07:03. > :07:05.in St Helens 11 days ago. Police say support from the public

:07:06. > :07:08.was vital in finding Jade after her sister appealed

:07:09. > :07:24.for her return. Half out people with poor mental

:07:25. > :07:27.health have suffered suicidal thoughts and are particularly badly

:07:28. > :07:32.affected by welfare cuts might to housing and social care. More than

:07:33. > :07:35.1500 people who have used mental health services in the past couple

:07:36. > :07:41.of years were surveyed. The government says it has increased

:07:42. > :07:44.mental health funding to ?11.7 billion last year. Joanna will be

:07:45. > :07:46.discussing this story in detail in the next few minutes.

:07:47. > :07:48.A BBC Freedom of Information request has revealed inconsistencies

:07:49. > :07:50.in specialist mental health treatment for outpatients

:07:51. > :07:58.In some parts of the country over the past four years, waiting times

:07:59. > :08:04.In Manchester, the average wait is 182 days - but only

:08:05. > :08:08.around 20 days in Dorset, Dudley and north-east London.

:08:09. > :08:12.The Department of Health says it's investing ?150 million in services

:08:13. > :08:21.for young patients over the next five years .

:08:22. > :08:30.The chief executive of the mental health network says more investment

:08:31. > :08:34.is needed. Doctors and nurses are providing excellent services but

:08:35. > :08:38.they are simply overwhelmed by the numbers. They are not getting the

:08:39. > :08:45.support to deal with the demand. We have a postcode lottery of access,

:08:46. > :08:50.which your story clearly exposes. The reasons for that is because we

:08:51. > :08:53.do not have any effect of access standards and we do not actually

:08:54. > :08:55.have the investment in those services.

:08:56. > :08:58.Four migrant children will arrive in the UK from Calais this morning,

:08:59. > :09:00.after being allowed to stay with their families

:09:01. > :09:01.here while their asylum claims are assessed.

:09:02. > :09:04.The teenagers are from Syria and Afghanistan, and are among

:09:05. > :09:07.the first to arrive under newly-enforced EU laws.

:09:08. > :09:10.The charity Citizens UK is calling for the government to do more

:09:11. > :09:15.to help other children in similar situations.

:09:16. > :09:18.English councils are warning the ?50 million the government has

:09:19. > :09:22.promised to fix potholes this year is nowhere near enough.

:09:23. > :09:25.The Local Government Association says the true cost of repairing

:09:26. > :09:29.crumbling roads is more than 230 times that amount.

:09:30. > :09:37.They can trip you up, knock you off your bike or damage

:09:38. > :09:46.In the aftermath of the winter frosts can split the asphalt.

:09:47. > :09:49.Potholes are the deepest and nastiest at this time of year.

:09:50. > :09:52.So the government is putting a ?50 million funding boost to help

:09:53. > :10:00.The biggest chunk of a it is going to Southwest.

:10:01. > :10:07.The West Midlands gets five points ?7 million.

:10:08. > :10:08.The north-east is receiving the smallest allocation

:10:09. > :10:27.As roughly ?50 a piece, this funding would fix just over 1 million holes.

:10:28. > :10:32.The Local Government Association say the money being promised is nowhere

:10:33. > :10:35.near the ?11.8 billion they say is needed to bring roads up to scratch.

:10:36. > :10:37.It claimed councils have become trapped in an endless cycle

:10:38. > :10:47.This money is not nearly enough to properly smooths the way.

:10:48. > :10:54.NHS England says the second day of the latest strike by junior doctors

:10:55. > :10:58.is likely to be more difficult for the health service. They are

:10:59. > :11:00.providing only emergency care today because of a dispute with the

:11:01. > :11:05.government over the imposition of a new contract. More than 5000

:11:06. > :11:07.procedures have been postponed as a result of the 48-hour walk-out.

:11:08. > :11:09.There's more bad news for Marks and Spencer this morning.

:11:10. > :11:12.Clothing and home sales at the famous retailer fell by 2.7%

:11:13. > :11:17.The firm's new chief executive, Steve Rowe, says he'll remain

:11:18. > :11:20.personally in charge of that part of the business because he's

:11:21. > :11:23."personally committed" to getting it right.

:11:24. > :11:25.Food sales were flat during the same period -

:11:26. > :11:33.One of the world's rarest and most sought after books has been

:11:34. > :11:36.discovered in a private library on the Scottish island of Bute.

:11:37. > :11:40.The First Folio of William Shakespeare, published in 1623,

:11:41. > :11:44.contains copies of many of the bard's most famous plays

:11:45. > :11:46.which would otherwise have been lost.

:11:47. > :11:48.The discovery comes shortly before the 400th anniversary

:11:49. > :11:57.of Shakespeare's death later this month.

:11:58. > :12:04.That is a summary of the latest news.

:12:05. > :12:09.We are talking to two women who have been affected by the junior doctors

:12:10. > :12:18.strike this morning. Have you been affected? If you have, let us know.

:12:19. > :12:24.Time to catch up with the sport. A pretty good night for a Manchester

:12:25. > :12:29.City? It was not brilliant but it could

:12:30. > :12:32.have been worse. Their first Champions League quarterfinal at

:12:33. > :12:36.just about everything. Joe Hart saved a penalty against Paris

:12:37. > :12:44.Saint-Germain. They took the lead, went behind. It finished 2-2. Kevin

:12:45. > :12:52.De Bruyne put Manchester City ahead. Ibrahimovic levelled. The French

:12:53. > :12:58.champions went 2-1 ahead but Fernandinho scored a scrappy but

:12:59. > :13:02.what could be a priceless equaliser. Manchester City take two away goals

:13:03. > :13:08.into the second leg. It is a very good result. We were playing a --

:13:09. > :13:13.against a very good team away. To scored two goals is also very

:13:14. > :13:16.important. We need to play a very good game in Manchester because we

:13:17. > :13:22.are going to play against a team that have good players.

:13:23. > :13:27.There was a big shock in the first leg of the other tie in Germany.

:13:28. > :13:31.Wolfsburg were also playing their first Champions League quarterfinal.

:13:32. > :13:38.They beat ten time European champions Real Madrid. It was 2-0.

:13:39. > :13:44.The Masters tees off this afternoon. Rory McIlroy would be the last man

:13:45. > :13:49.on the course. He has had his ups and downs at Augusta. Throwing away

:13:50. > :13:52.a four shot lead on the final day in 2011. Last year he finished fourth

:13:53. > :13:59.behind Jordan Spieth. Stephen Watson is there.

:14:00. > :14:04.Jason Day starts as favourite for a golf's most exclusive event. The

:14:05. > :14:09.world number one has had six wins in his last 13 worldwide starts and has

:14:10. > :14:14.been dominating the game. He has also finished second and third at

:14:15. > :14:18.Augusta before. There are plenty of other contenders, including Rory

:14:19. > :14:21.McIlroy. He tees off in the final group this afternoon, trying to

:14:22. > :14:26.become the sixth golfer in history to win the Grand Slam of all four

:14:27. > :14:32.majors. Then there is the American, Jordan Spieth, who may not have had

:14:33. > :14:35.a great start to this season. But in his two Masters appearances he has

:14:36. > :14:41.finished second and first. I'm going to try to use last year as

:14:42. > :14:49.momentum. We know we are capable of playing this place. I am putting

:14:50. > :14:55.pressure on myself to content this year, just like last year, and I

:14:56. > :15:00.feel like I am in form as well. But it is also going to be a lot of fun

:15:01. > :15:05.walking these fairways, with the memories of the crowds. There are a

:15:06. > :15:09.host of other challengers, including winners already this season, bubba

:15:10. > :15:12.Watson, Adam Scott and Rickie Fowler, who are set to make it a

:15:13. > :15:17.very entertaining and exciting next four days.

:15:18. > :15:24.There is always a par three competition at Augusta on the eve of

:15:25. > :15:28.the tournament. This year, a record-breaking nine holes in one.

:15:29. > :15:37.One of them belonging to an absolute legend of the game. At 80 years old,

:15:38. > :15:42.Gary player can still do that. It has been a long career but that was

:15:43. > :15:48.his 31st hole in one. He was planning alongside Jack Nicklaus and

:15:49. > :15:54.Tom Watson. The combined age, 222. It gives hope to assault. Back with

:15:55. > :15:57.the headlines just after ten. At half-past ten we will be chatting to

:15:58. > :16:03.our man in Europe ahead of the Dortmund and Liverpool tie tonight.

:16:04. > :16:06.Housing, debt and welfare - all social issues that are claimed

:16:07. > :16:08.to be leading one in two people with mental health problems

:16:09. > :16:12.The charity, Mind, is today warning that the type of local services that

:16:13. > :16:15.help those very people are under threat from spending cuts,

:16:16. > :16:17.despite the government saying it has increased mental health

:16:18. > :16:20.funding to an estimated ?11.7 billion last year.

:16:21. > :16:22.More than 1,500 people who have used mental health services

:16:23. > :16:26.in the last two years, were surveyed on behalf of Mind.

:16:27. > :16:28.Out of those, 41% said they had considered or attempted suicide

:16:29. > :16:33.because of financial or housing pressures.

:16:34. > :16:39.29% said that a fear of losing or the loss of welfare benefits.

:16:40. > :16:44.Losing their job or difficulties at work was the reason 29% of people

:16:45. > :16:46.said they had considered taking their own life.

:16:47. > :16:52.29% said it relationship breakdown was a contributory factor.

:16:53. > :16:55.We can speak now to Sue Jackson, who has suffered with

:16:56. > :16:59.Tom Pollard, Mind policy and campaigns manager.

:17:00. > :17:02.Jake Mills, who tried to take his own life after getting

:17:03. > :17:05.into problems with money amongst other things,

:17:06. > :17:08.and has since started a charity to help others.

:17:09. > :17:11.And finally, Anne Thorn, whose son took his own life.

:17:12. > :17:13.At the inquest into his death, the coroner said that worry

:17:14. > :17:22.over his debt had been a major contributory factor.

:17:23. > :17:29.Thank you very much for coming in. Tom, I ran through a lot of

:17:30. > :17:36.statistics there. What is going on behind these statistics? Mind has

:17:37. > :17:43.known for a long time that for people with mental health problems,

:17:44. > :17:50.staying well goes beyond treatment from doctors. Issues like housing,

:17:51. > :17:53.debt, that can have a big impact on people's mental health, but even we

:17:54. > :17:58.were shocked that such a high proportion of people have been

:17:59. > :18:01.driven to extreme thoughts as a result of those problems. These are

:18:02. > :18:07.issues affecting most of us on a daily basis. If it affecting people

:18:08. > :18:11.in a different way from before? What is going on? Across a range of

:18:12. > :18:14.issues, we know that people with mental health problems are more

:18:15. > :18:19.likely to experience issues like debt and more likely to need

:18:20. > :18:27.benefits and housing help, but when they have issues at having more

:18:28. > :18:30.profound impact on them. Everybody experiences these problems, but with

:18:31. > :18:36.mental health issues, it is a double whammy and make life even harder.

:18:37. > :18:40.46% of people with mental health problems have thought about or tried

:18:41. > :18:45.to end their own life. Were you surprised the figure was that high?

:18:46. > :18:48.I was. What we know is that the local services that we are talking

:18:49. > :18:53.about with our life-support campaign can be the difference between life

:18:54. > :18:57.and death. For people suffering with those problems, having somebody

:18:58. > :19:00.supporting them through managing their finances or applying for

:19:01. > :19:03.benefits can really make the difference to people between not

:19:04. > :19:11.being able to cope and being able to cope. Sue, you have mental health

:19:12. > :19:14.problems which began when he had issues around your housing. How

:19:15. > :19:18.quickly did it start to impact on you in a way that you realised was

:19:19. > :19:27.seriously causing you problems? Firstly, thank you very much for

:19:28. > :19:33.inviting me on your show. I experienced problems with the

:19:34. > :19:39.neighbours and I am quite resilient person and I had a good job and I

:19:40. > :19:45.was managing my life, but because of the intensity of the issues, I

:19:46. > :19:52.reached a point where I couldn't cope with things and it was a very

:19:53. > :20:02.low point in my life. So how did you feel? I felt extremely desperate and

:20:03. > :20:10.at times I just couldn't see any light at the end of the tunnel. It

:20:11. > :20:17.made me feel very depressed. It affected my appetite, it affected my

:20:18. > :20:23.sleep, it affected my whole life. I just found I couldn't cope. You said

:20:24. > :20:28.that prior to that, you had thought of yourself as quite a resilient

:20:29. > :20:34.person. Yes, I did, and I am a resilient person, but when these

:20:35. > :20:44.problems with housing started, it affected my finances, it affected

:20:45. > :20:50.relationships, and... It made you feel vulnerable on all fronts? It

:20:51. > :20:54.did. I have never been that lower in my life before and I do consider

:20:55. > :21:01.myself as a very strong woman, as I have said before, but I was so

:21:02. > :21:12.vulnerable that I needed quite a lot of support. At this point, I found

:21:13. > :21:18.that having support from charities is something that really, really

:21:19. > :21:25.keeps me going. Without the support of charities like Mind, I don't know

:21:26. > :21:29.how I would manage. Anne, your son very sadly took his own life, and at

:21:30. > :21:36.the inquest the coroner said that worry over debt had been a major

:21:37. > :21:41.contributory factor. Had you been concerned that your son was

:21:42. > :21:46.vulnerable? Well, it is difficult to say because he was 23, he had been

:21:47. > :21:57.at university and he had dropped out. But everyone in the University,

:21:58. > :22:03.this sums to be a normal 23-year-old young man's problems. How many

:22:04. > :22:08.students don't have problems with money? I had been asked to pay his

:22:09. > :22:14.rent a couple of times, yes. He had a big student overdraft with the

:22:15. > :22:19.bank, so yes, I was aware of it, but was I worried that he was going to

:22:20. > :22:29.take his own life? No. I just wasn't aware of the shocking statistics. I

:22:30. > :22:33.think my view is that the debt possibly was the straw that broke

:22:34. > :22:37.the camel's back. I don't believe that he killed himself just because

:22:38. > :22:42.he was in debt. From what I understand now about suicide, it is

:22:43. > :22:46.very complex. As your article this morning is showing, it can be that

:22:47. > :22:50.final thing that pushes somebody over the edge because they're coping

:22:51. > :22:56.skills have gone by that point. Whether it is your job, debt, a

:22:57. > :23:02.relationship, it can be the final factor unfortunately. Tom, suicide

:23:03. > :23:06.leaves everybody around that person after they have gone thinking that

:23:07. > :23:09.it is something we could have helped with, we could have changed

:23:10. > :23:13.something. But obviously nobody knows at the time how desperately

:23:14. > :23:17.somebody is feeling inside. What can be done to help when there are

:23:18. > :23:23.clearly a lot of people out there feeling desperate and probably not

:23:24. > :23:26.passing it on? I think some of this is about the stigma around mental

:23:27. > :23:30.health and getting to the point where people feel they can speak out

:23:31. > :23:34.would be a huge step. With this campaign in particular, we are

:23:35. > :23:38.saying that there is huge support that people can be provided with

:23:39. > :23:43.from local services, like Mind and Citizens Advice Bureau. It is about

:23:44. > :23:47.people recognising that they may need to go the extra mile to help

:23:48. > :23:52.someone but what we are seeing is that at local level services are

:23:53. > :24:00.struggling with funding, local cuts, services to legal aid. It means that

:24:01. > :24:04.people are struggling to get the support, it means they go into

:24:05. > :24:13.crisis and need costly support from the NHS. That is a false economy.

:24:14. > :24:19.And for your son, did you feel there were ways that it could have been

:24:20. > :24:27.different? I don't know if he would have gone to a charity or ADP. With

:24:28. > :24:31.young men, they just don't talk. It is all very well to talk about these

:24:32. > :24:39.resources, but I think everyone of us has a role to play. We need start

:24:40. > :24:43.talking about suicide and looking out for each other and creating

:24:44. > :24:47.suicide free communities, where we can talk to people and ask if they

:24:48. > :24:54.are suicidal. GPs need to be trained. We can all contribute by

:24:55. > :24:59.talking about it and removing the stigma. If I tell people that my son

:25:00. > :25:04.died, and they look sympathetic, and then I say that he killed himself, a

:25:05. > :25:07.lot of people change the subject. They don't know what to say and I

:25:08. > :25:14.think we need to change that attitude as well. How do you feel at

:25:15. > :25:21.that point? What do you want people to say and what do you say to them?

:25:22. > :25:25.I would like them to acknowledge it in the same way as if my son died of

:25:26. > :25:32.cancer. It is an illness. He was depressed and it is an illness. I

:25:33. > :25:36.want people to say I am sorry and not to be afraid to talk to me about

:25:37. > :25:42.it. I still want to talk about my son and for it's not to be a big

:25:43. > :25:46.stigma. I have worked with Papyrus, a charity that helps reduce young

:25:47. > :25:51.suicide. All of us that have been affected have now got a role to

:25:52. > :26:00.play, to speak up and spread the word. Getting people more aware of

:26:01. > :26:03.it would go a long way to helping. Jake, you tried to take your own

:26:04. > :26:09.life. What was going on in your life that made you feel like you couldn't

:26:10. > :26:16.go on? A lot of things, really. It wasn't anything in particular. I

:26:17. > :26:21.couldn't tell you a moment that made me depressed or the moment I became

:26:22. > :26:25.depressed. There were a lot of different things going on.

:26:26. > :26:29.Relationship issues, many issues. I was on the dole and for me that was

:26:30. > :26:36.a really significant and really massively low moment. It was just a

:26:37. > :26:40.lot of different issues really, that all built up. This is the thing,

:26:41. > :26:45.when you are depressed, something that might not seem that big a deal

:26:46. > :26:51.for some people can be the biggest thing and the biggest deal in the

:26:52. > :26:57.world for others. It is just that building on top of each other that

:26:58. > :27:01.can weigh so heavily on you. That is what it was for me. It was a

:27:02. > :27:06.combination of different things. Each and every one of them felt like

:27:07. > :27:11.the biggest thing in the world. The point that has just been made there,

:27:12. > :27:16.when that lady was saying that she wanted to talk about her son and

:27:17. > :27:21.nobody knows what to say, that is the problem. That is the main

:27:22. > :27:24.problem. We don't know what to say and people don't know enough about

:27:25. > :27:28.suicide and depression and mental illness. We simply don't know enough

:27:29. > :27:33.about it to be able to talk about it and that is what we need to be

:27:34. > :27:37.addressing. What was it for you that turned things around? Was there a

:27:38. > :27:39.moment that something clicked? Did somebody say something to you that

:27:40. > :27:54.made you think, yes, I get it, the sun will shine again?

:27:55. > :27:57.Unfortunately for me there was not a moment, not a good story for me

:27:58. > :28:00.coming around. The turning point for me was the moment after I attempted

:28:01. > :28:03.suicide and I was found. The lack of support that I received from the

:28:04. > :28:08.police and everywhere else, I didn't have anything at all. I didn't have

:28:09. > :28:12.any advice, I didn't have any signposting, nothing. I got zero

:28:13. > :28:17.support and for me that was the turning point. I decided to speak

:28:18. > :28:21.out about it because rumours were spreading. I decided to speak out

:28:22. > :28:26.about it and by doing that, purely just to try and clear it, to get

:28:27. > :28:27.this weight off my shoulders, the response that I was getting from

:28:28. > :28:52.people who said they felt the same way, people

:28:53. > :28:54.who were going through the same thing and thought they were the only

:28:55. > :28:57.ones, that massive response that I was getting from strangers all over

:28:58. > :29:00.the world, every time I did an interview or spoke openly about it,

:29:01. > :29:02.the amount of people who came to me and said they felt alone and felt

:29:03. > :29:05.like the only ones and didn't realise there was help available,

:29:06. > :29:07.for me that was the turning point. That alone. The realisation that

:29:08. > :29:10.millions of people are going through exactly the same thing at the same

:29:11. > :29:12.time but feeling like they are the only ones. That was the turning

:29:13. > :29:15.point for me because I decided to do something. It gave me my purpose

:29:16. > :29:17.back. It gave me a meaning, something to do. That is what has

:29:18. > :29:23.helped me in my recovery really. Anne, you are nodding as you are

:29:24. > :29:30.listening. Yes, this is all too common, especially in young men, I

:29:31. > :29:34.have found. They just don't... All his friends, their lives have been

:29:35. > :29:38.shattered for ever as well. At the funeral, I thought they should be

:29:39. > :29:44.going to parties and not funerals. They were shattered and they said

:29:45. > :29:47.they had no idea. He came across as a carefree, happy-go-lucky person,

:29:48. > :29:52.because he was keeping it all inside. The message to young men is

:29:53. > :29:59.that it is not located tell your mates if you are feeling BLEEP. This

:30:00. > :30:04.has got to change. I applaud this young man. This is the kind of thing

:30:05. > :30:09.that comforts me. It is too late for my son but it comforts me to see

:30:10. > :30:13.people out there to change this attitude and get young people, well,

:30:14. > :30:18.anyone, but especially young men, to talk to each other about their

:30:19. > :30:24.issues, instead of thinking it is weak and you have got to be manly

:30:25. > :30:28.and not talk about the problem. Tom, we talk about mental health so much

:30:29. > :30:32.now, and yet there is still that fear for many that it is a sign of

:30:33. > :30:37.vulnerability and burdening others if you talk to them about it.

:30:38. > :30:46.I think we have come a long way. There is still a huge way to go. We

:30:47. > :30:51.see greater commitment around mental health services but we see great

:30:52. > :30:54.inequality in terms of access. We need to get to the point where

:30:55. > :31:00.people understand that mental health is as much a social thing as it is a

:31:01. > :31:07.clinical thing. It is about people needing support from a range of

:31:08. > :31:16.sources. I've found that I became very isolated. It is difficult to

:31:17. > :31:23.talk about problems. When I felt very overwhelmed with the issues I

:31:24. > :31:29.was having with the housing, I've found that I got a lot of support

:31:30. > :31:34.from the police. But the other services that could have supported

:31:35. > :31:45.me were sadly very lacking. I found that there was a lot of care from my

:31:46. > :31:52.neighbourhood police. In my case it was unrelenting racism against me.

:31:53. > :31:56.And threats of violence. This is something that when I started

:31:57. > :31:59.talking about it, I found that quite a lot of people from ethnic

:32:00. > :32:05.minorities go through what I have been through. And I found talking

:32:06. > :32:15.about it is therapeutic. I like to get involved in services to try to

:32:16. > :32:18.give the patient experience. The common thread is vulnerability,

:32:19. > :32:24.absolute fear about where your life is going. What can we all do to

:32:25. > :32:28.build greater resilience? What gives one person the resilience to deal

:32:29. > :32:32.with the situation, whereas another person will find something

:32:33. > :32:39.devastating and will be floored by it? Sometimes it can be about the

:32:40. > :32:42.support network. Sometimes it will be whether they have access to

:32:43. > :32:51.services from charities or from the state. It is about people knowing

:32:52. > :32:54.where to look for advice. Also it is about government, local authority,

:32:55. > :32:59.making sure the support is available and understanding how important that

:33:00. > :33:09.is. Lots of people getting in touch. Matthew has said support needed. No

:33:10. > :33:13.help given whatsoever, says another. Driven to despair. Matthew feels it

:33:14. > :33:15.is terrible that so many people are driven to despair by the policies of

:33:16. > :33:23.this comment which penalise the vulnerable. Jane says fear of debt

:33:24. > :33:27.harm so is because they have been targeted unfairly. Robert says he

:33:28. > :33:31.attempted suicide nearly 18 months ago after suffering serious health

:33:32. > :33:34.issues and losing his job because of his inability to work. His

:33:35. > :33:41.relationship broke down as well. If he had had support before his

:33:42. > :33:43.initial illness, things may not have spiralled out of control. And

:33:44. > :33:51.Stewart says people are struggling to cope. Your survey shows how many

:33:52. > :33:55.people are thinking of ending their own lives. In terms of the

:33:56. > :34:02.statistics, are more people ending their lives? I think we see

:34:03. > :34:09.fluctuations in suicide rates. Sometimes it is linked to people

:34:10. > :34:12.losing their jobs. We also know that there are real issues out there

:34:13. > :34:18.about people getting access to the support they need. At local level

:34:19. > :34:23.there are cutbacks. It is tied for local authorities. We understand

:34:24. > :34:27.that. But what we are saying today is if that support is not there,

:34:28. > :34:32.that can be the difference between people coping and not coping. You

:34:33. > :34:35.have older sieving through a dreadful time, and. How have you got

:34:36. > :34:42.through that? You are incredibly strong. Yes, it is absolutely

:34:43. > :34:49.shattered my life. He was my only child. They knock on the door by a

:34:50. > :34:54.policeman on a Sunday night and your life is just shattered. Initially I

:34:55. > :35:00.was just angry that I did not know this was something I should worry

:35:01. > :35:04.about. Because of the stigma. I did not know my son was more likely to

:35:05. > :35:09.die from suicide than anything else. I was worried about drugs and drunk

:35:10. > :35:13.drivers. I have told similar to that young man. Odd choice have I got? I

:35:14. > :35:21.cannot bring him back. I have started blogging. People then got in

:35:22. > :35:27.touch with me. I started a support group for bereaved parents, bereaved

:35:28. > :35:35.by suicide, because we have a specific terrible guilt when your

:35:36. > :35:45.child takes their life. And just campaigning. That has helped me. I

:35:46. > :35:50.have not had much support. When I went to my GP, the ironic thing is

:35:51. > :35:56.that when you have been affected by suicide, it can make you suicidal

:35:57. > :36:04.yourself. When I went to my GP, I was not signposted to anyone. They

:36:05. > :36:10.could put me on a six-month waiting list for CBT or something. I tell

:36:11. > :36:16.people to go to their GP but then you think, what can they do? It is

:36:17. > :36:22.getting communities to group together and see what we can do

:36:23. > :36:28.ourselves. And yes, signpost people to support that is there. It is also

:36:29. > :36:33.about changing attitudes. I think that all teachers and lecturers

:36:34. > :36:40.should get training. I have been on a two day course which is like a

:36:41. > :36:44.first aid course for suicide. It helps to spot someone who may be

:36:45. > :36:50.silica -- suicidal and how to talk to them. Teachers and tutors should

:36:51. > :36:55.be getting this training. We all go on first aid courses. If somebody is

:36:56. > :36:59.watching and they are worried about someone, you say you have had

:37:00. > :37:06.training to spot the signs. What would you look for and how would you

:37:07. > :37:10.broach it? You ask them. It has been proved you cannot put a suicidal

:37:11. > :37:15.thought in somebody's head. You will not make them think about killing

:37:16. > :37:20.themselves if they have not already. Just ask them. Have you thought

:37:21. > :37:27.about taking your own life? If they say yes, you can assess it. Have you

:37:28. > :37:36.made a plan? Then you can say to them, would you let me help you get

:37:37. > :37:43.help? Call a helpline. You can actually help them. But broach it.

:37:44. > :37:46.Do not be afraid to ask. Jake, you are nodding. You got to rock bottom

:37:47. > :37:51.before things turn around. Would somebody help talking -- talking to

:37:52. > :37:59.live that have made a difference? I absolutely agree that you cannot

:38:00. > :38:03.pussyfoot around it. You have to speak to someone and be quite blunt

:38:04. > :38:07.about it. But absolutely, I agree with the point that has been made.

:38:08. > :38:13.What is so important to these community groups that are around,

:38:14. > :38:16.and unfortunately I lacking funding, is they are the people who can make

:38:17. > :38:22.the difference, they are on the ground. They are the grassroots

:38:23. > :38:26.organisations who can help to prevent people from getting to a

:38:27. > :38:30.crisis point. That is what we need to focus on. That is something I

:38:31. > :38:34.personally noticed a lot. There are a lot of people doing a lot of good

:38:35. > :38:39.stuff but nobody knows about it. That is something I want to address.

:38:40. > :38:44.I am trying to create a national database of all of these

:38:45. > :38:48.organisations that exist. The main thing we need to say to people is

:38:49. > :38:53.that there is help available and you can get through it and you will get

:38:54. > :38:57.through it. I was there, I got through it. I promise you, if you

:38:58. > :39:01.are feeling suicidal, if you are feeling that low that you think you

:39:02. > :39:06.will never get through it, I felt I would never be the person I am

:39:07. > :39:11.today. I felt I would never be that person again. I am telling you, you

:39:12. > :39:14.will be. I am that person again. My life has completely turned around

:39:15. > :39:20.because I started to accept that it was an illness, that I was going

:39:21. > :39:23.through something, and telling people, and knowing people are there

:39:24. > :39:27.to help and support you. People will not judge you. You need to be honest

:39:28. > :39:34.with people and yourself. Thank you so much for joining us,

:39:35. > :39:37.all of you. Thank you for your comments as well.

:39:38. > :39:39.A Government spokesperson said: "We want people to get the help

:39:40. > :39:42.they need before they reach a point of mental health crisis,

:39:43. > :39:45.which is why we increased mental health funding to an estimated

:39:46. > :40:01.The Local Government Association also provided us with a statement.

:40:02. > :40:04.If you want help or advice on any of the issues we've been discussing

:40:05. > :40:23.I would like to say just one thing that has helped me is my

:40:24. > :40:29.spirituality. There is a lot to be said for faith communities helping

:40:30. > :40:35.people in the community to cope. That is what has given me hope. And

:40:36. > :40:39.when you are down and out, the only thing you can hold onto sometimes is

:40:40. > :40:46.hope that things will get better. Thank you, Sue. Still to come,

:40:47. > :40:50.campaigning for the London mayoral election. We are continuing our back

:40:51. > :41:00.of the cab quiz questions with key candidates. Norman spit is talking

:41:01. > :41:07.to Psion Berry. -- Norman Spitz is talking to Sian Berry.

:41:08. > :41:09.When Louise Coast-Smith was diagnosed with a brain tumour,

:41:10. > :41:12.her family were determined to live life to the full and they

:41:13. > :41:15.Now after her death, her husband and two teenage

:41:16. > :41:17.daughters are honouring her memory by completing it.

:41:18. > :41:20.Here's Ben with a summary of the news.

:41:21. > :41:23.Campaigners who want the UK to leave the European Union have accused

:41:24. > :41:27.the government of scaring voters and wasting money.

:41:28. > :41:30.Their anger concerns a leaflet being sent to every household,

:41:31. > :41:33.setting out the case for staying in the EU.

:41:34. > :41:41.There'll also be social media posts and a new website.

:41:42. > :41:44.David Cameron says the campaign will provide the public with key

:41:45. > :41:52.Iceland's governing coalition has chosen a new Prime Minister,

:41:53. > :41:54.after the leaked Panama papers caused Sigmundur

:41:55. > :41:58.The Fisheries Minister will be his successor until

:41:59. > :42:03.There have been public protests in Rejkjavik calling for the entire

:42:04. > :42:10.A 14 year old girl who went missing almost two weeks ago,

:42:11. > :42:13.has been found safe and well by police in Wigan.

:42:14. > :42:16.Concerns had been growing for the safety of Jade Lynch

:42:17. > :42:19.following her disappearance in St Helens 11 days ago.

:42:20. > :42:22.Police say support from the public was vital in finding Jade

:42:23. > :42:27.after her sister appealed for her return.

:42:28. > :42:29.A BBC Freedom of Information request has revealed inconsistencies

:42:30. > :42:33.in specialist mental health treatment for outpatients

:42:34. > :42:40.In some parts of the country over the past four years, waiting times

:42:41. > :42:46.In Manchester, the average wait is 182 days, but only

:42:47. > :42:50.around 20 days in Dorset, Dudley and north-east London.

:42:51. > :42:53.The Department of Health says it's investing ?150 million in services

:42:54. > :43:03.for young patients over the next five years.

:43:04. > :43:15.Moore at ten o'clock. Now let's join or leave for the sports headlines.

:43:16. > :43:19.The first leg of Manchester City's first Champions League quarterfinal

:43:20. > :43:26.ended in a two draw against Paris Saint-Germain last night. -- 2-2.

:43:27. > :43:30.Joe Hart saved a penalty. Kevin De Bruyne and Fernandinho scored for

:43:31. > :43:38.City. There was a shock in Germany as Wolfsburg beat ten time European

:43:39. > :43:44.champions Real Madrid 2-0. To night, Jurgen Klopp returns to his old

:43:45. > :43:48.club, Borussia Dortmund, with Liverpool in the Europa League

:43:49. > :43:52.quarterfinals. We are live in Germany in the next hour. And the

:43:53. > :43:56.Masters tees off this afternoon. Rory McIlroy still waiting for his

:43:57. > :44:02.first green jacket. He is in the final group in Augusta.

:44:03. > :44:11.Coming up, we will be speaking to the family completing the bucket

:44:12. > :44:13.list made by their mum, who died 18 months ago.

:44:14. > :44:15.All this week we're hearing from some of the candidates standing

:44:16. > :44:19.Our political guru, Norman Smith, has taken Labour's Sadiq Khan

:44:20. > :44:22.and Conservative's Zac Goldsmith for a spin in his cab.

:44:23. > :44:28.And today he's joined by the Green Party's Sian Berry.

:44:29. > :44:37.Thanks very much. I should not really be in a cab today. I am with

:44:38. > :44:40.the Green mayoral candidate. We should be on our bicycles but we

:44:41. > :44:46.will pass on that because it is damp. What are the key issues for

:44:47. > :44:52.the Greens? Transport is obviously a huge issue. The problem in London is

:44:53. > :44:56.there are too many cars. This is an issue any new mayor will have to

:44:57. > :45:03.deal with. Traffic is increasing. We need to not make it worse by

:45:04. > :45:06.building new roads. It would just increase air pollution and traffic

:45:07. > :45:12.across a wide area. We cannot keep widening the road is to make more

:45:13. > :45:17.room. We have to reduce traffic. What about banning people from

:45:18. > :45:19.driving cars on alternate days? That is an emergency measure for air

:45:20. > :45:29.pollution reasons. On certain days you could have

:45:30. > :45:33.restrictions on certain types of vehicles coming in. You could run

:45:34. > :45:37.different types of schemes like that. What is most important is

:45:38. > :45:42.having a long-term plan that gives people better options. That is the

:45:43. > :45:49.only way to do it and we need to be investing in new cycle lanes and

:45:50. > :45:54.shifting road space the away from traffic and into more efficient

:45:55. > :46:00.methods that we have. What about the congestion charge? It costs you more

:46:01. > :46:04.to get the bus and tube in and out. The cost of public transport has

:46:05. > :46:09.gone up more quickly than the congestion charge, which isn't fair.

:46:10. > :46:12.I would bring down the fares to get people onto public transport and I

:46:13. > :46:18.would do that by bringing down the fares in outer London to the same

:46:19. > :46:23.levels that people pay in central London. I would get rid of the zone

:46:24. > :46:26.system which is anachronistic and snobbery. We need to pay for that

:46:27. > :46:31.and my fares plan is costed and paid for because we need a new smarter

:46:32. > :46:35.congestion charge system. All of the businesses are calling for that. We

:46:36. > :46:39.know that you will oppose Heathrow expansion and what people don't know

:46:40. > :46:44.is that you would like to close down City Airport. What happened to the

:46:45. > :46:48.people working there? At the moment, it is a convenient place for people

:46:49. > :46:52.in the City to use. There are not many flights and it is a niche

:46:53. > :46:57.airport. When Crossrail opens you will be able to get from the City to

:46:58. > :47:02.Heathrow in half an hour and to me that is an opportunity to reuse the

:47:03. > :47:07.space that their board uses up, 500,000 square metres. OK, but what

:47:08. > :47:12.about the 2000 people who work at the airport? Goodbye to their jobs?

:47:13. > :47:17.The other airports can easily absorb the flights and therefore the jobs

:47:18. > :47:20.as well. Then we could build a new quarter for London. Holmes,

:47:21. > :47:26.business, universities, and there would be many more jobs on that site

:47:27. > :47:32.if we redeveloped it so it isn't just for aeroplanes. The London

:47:33. > :47:37.questions. You are a Camden woman, aren't you? So this is easy. The

:47:38. > :47:41.Northern line. You use it, this is easy. Which branch of the Northern

:47:42. > :47:48.line is Mornington Crescent on? The Charing Cross branch. Easy. Bridges.

:47:49. > :47:55.Westminster, Lambeth, what next? Southwark? No, Boxall. What started

:47:56. > :48:02.at pudding lane? The great fire of London. First and oldest Indian

:48:03. > :48:06.restaurant in London? 1926. Last question since we are in a cab, what

:48:07. > :48:13.our cab drivers talking about when they say it is time for Churchill?

:48:14. > :48:16.No idea. Tell me! Time for a meal because Winston Churchill introduced

:48:17. > :48:23.legislation to say that cab drivers didn't have to take a fair if they

:48:24. > :48:28.were hungry. We learn new everyday. Workers rights, I like it! That is

:48:29. > :48:32.the Green Party's agenda for London with the mayoral candidate Sian

:48:33. > :48:34.Berry. Thank you very much. See you later.

:48:35. > :48:37.In total, 12 candidates are hoping to succeed Boris Johnson as mayor

:48:38. > :48:39.of London in the election on the 5th May.

:48:40. > :48:45.You can find a full list of them on the BBC News site.

:48:46. > :48:47.And if you want to watch Norman's interviews

:48:48. > :48:49.with Zac Goldsmith, Sadiq Khan or Peter Whittle,

:48:50. > :48:53.you can find them on our programme page - bbc.co.uk/victoria.

:48:54. > :48:55.And tomorrow, Norman will be talking to Caroline Pidgeon,

:48:56. > :49:07.Coming up: Two teenage girls who walked away laughing after they

:49:08. > :49:11.batted a woman to death will be sentenced today. We will be speaking

:49:12. > :49:13.to a psychologist to ask what leads children to behave in this way and

:49:14. > :49:16.whether they can be rehabilitated. When Louise Coast-Smith

:49:17. > :49:19.was diagnosed with a brain tumour, she became determined to live

:49:20. > :49:22.the rest of her life to the full. Even when undergoing treatment she,

:49:23. > :49:24.her husband Alastair and their two daughters,

:49:25. > :49:25.Rebecca and Natasha, tried to cram in as many

:49:26. > :49:28.life-enriching experiences as possible, from going on exotic

:49:29. > :49:31.holidays to taking part But sadly, in 2014, Louise was given

:49:32. > :49:40.eight weeks to live, and the family wrote a bucket list

:49:41. > :49:43.of things they still wanted to do. Now, Alistair, Rebecca and Natasha

:49:44. > :49:46.are working their way through that list - and their grief -

:49:47. > :49:48.together and raising They're here to tell

:49:49. > :49:58.us about their story. Thank you for coming in and talking

:49:59. > :50:01.to us. You did live life to the full, because this shadow of a brain

:50:02. > :50:07.tumour was hanging over you for a very long time, wasn't it, Alistair?

:50:08. > :50:11.It was always there from 1998 when she was originally diagnosed and had

:50:12. > :50:15.the operation to remove it. We took a very active view that we would not

:50:16. > :50:19.let it restrain us and we would live life to the full, above all starting

:50:20. > :50:25.a family after that, which was a big decision to take. At that point, did

:50:26. > :50:32.you start doing things effectively as they little? We call it a bucket

:50:33. > :50:36.list but actually it was a way of living. We always wanted to be very

:50:37. > :50:40.active, we always had planned for the future, and realise that weekend

:50:41. > :50:45.is booked out for the whole year, going away, camping. Louise loved

:50:46. > :50:50.camping, she was obsessive about it. Basically being very active with the

:50:51. > :50:55.girls as they grew up. Then as she deteriorated towards the end, we

:50:56. > :51:03.still had a lot of stuff, lots of things. A dynamic woman, your mum,

:51:04. > :51:08.it sounds like. Definitely. What things did you do that were

:51:09. > :51:11.particularly special? We did so much together. We would go on holidays

:51:12. > :51:15.every year. We still do. But we would go camping all the time. She

:51:16. > :51:21.loved it. Every time we went out, she was eager to do stuff with us,

:51:22. > :51:26.to be outdoors, and she was up for anything. A good example is that at

:51:27. > :51:32.the beginning of the summer holidays we would go away for the entire six

:51:33. > :51:38.weeks. She hated that the holidays were so short. Some parents find

:51:39. > :51:42.holidays difficult but for her it was the most important thing, having

:51:43. > :51:46.time with the kids and doing various different things. She died 18 months

:51:47. > :51:53.ago and you have been nonstop since, is that fair to say? That is fair.

:51:54. > :51:59.What sort of things have you done? Lots of things. Before Louise died,

:52:00. > :52:04.we booked a skydiving, indoor skydiving experience, which we did.

:52:05. > :52:09.There were specific things, like go to the Imperial War Museum. With it

:52:10. > :52:14.being 2014, she was keen for us and the kids to experience that. And the

:52:15. > :52:18.Lowry in Manchester. She enjoyed art and wanted kids to enjoy it and see

:52:19. > :52:22.that you can express yourself in many ways. She found it inspiring in

:52:23. > :52:31.that sense, the Lowry, so we went there to experience it. Listening to

:52:32. > :52:34.you all, it is inspiring to see how through such adversity, there is

:52:35. > :52:41.this absolute appetite and desire to live. Absolutely. That is how she

:52:42. > :52:45.lived. She wouldn't let anything stop her or put her down. The fact

:52:46. > :52:49.that she had a brain tumour didn't stop doing anything whatsoever. It

:52:50. > :52:54.was a background thing that she had to live with, and we all did, but we

:52:55. > :52:58.still got on and did what we wanted to do. A good example of that, she

:52:59. > :53:02.used to play the flute and the cello but she thought she was not so good

:53:03. > :53:06.at that, so she adopted new things. Running was something she got into,

:53:07. > :53:11.so she ran the London Marathon in 2006, even though she was never a

:53:12. > :53:17.run by nature. And she did various other challenges over the course of

:53:18. > :53:24.her time, so she did a coast-to-coast cycle ride with some

:53:25. > :53:33.friends. She did the Edinburgh moonwalk for breast cancer. She did

:53:34. > :53:37.a cycle ride from Edinburgh to St Andrews, 70 miles, for the brain

:53:38. > :53:43.tumour charity, which is something she has raised money for over the

:53:44. > :53:46.years and we are keen to highlight the fact that it doesn't get the

:53:47. > :53:51.research funding that it deserves, from our point of view. She raised

:53:52. > :53:56.money doing that. That cycle ride was actually two weeks into her

:53:57. > :54:01.radiotherapy. Gosh. How much has all of this helped you to get through

:54:02. > :54:08.your grief? A lot. I know that I want to carry on because I know that

:54:09. > :54:12.she was like that. I wouldn't let something stopped me. I want to make

:54:13. > :54:18.her proud now and not sit and grieve loads. I want to go out there and do

:54:19. > :54:25.stuff and do well to make her proud. Good for you. You must be proud of

:54:26. > :54:29.your mum. Of course. She did so many amazing things. The marathon, the

:54:30. > :54:37.cycle rides, and she has raised so much money. It is a big inspiration.

:54:38. > :54:43.What is the best thing that you have done on the list? That is quite

:54:44. > :54:47.hard. I really enjoyed the Lowry. It was quite inspiring to see different

:54:48. > :54:51.sorts of art. I know that she would enjoy it because she loved paintings

:54:52. > :54:57.as well. It is like passing her inspiration on to me. Tell me about

:54:58. > :55:05.the panto. Did you all do it together? That is something. What

:55:06. > :55:09.happened? Well, it is just the local pantomime and everyone gets involved

:55:10. > :55:17.and it is a good community event. The one only to together was no

:55:18. > :55:24.white. Who was what? -- the one we did together was snow-white. My dad

:55:25. > :55:37.was the game, which was quite embarrassing. I was in the chorus.

:55:38. > :55:41.Do you feel like you are honouring Louise and that she is living on

:55:42. > :55:45.through what you are doing? Absolutely. It was the way she

:55:46. > :55:51.lived. She inculcated in the girls the way to live and it is inspiring.

:55:52. > :55:57.When she died a lot of people said some very flattering and nice things

:55:58. > :56:01.about her. When you met her, she was full of enthusiasm and joie de vivre

:56:02. > :56:07.that was very powerful. People took that from her. People don't always

:56:08. > :56:11.know how to respond when somebody dies but I guess your approach has

:56:12. > :56:19.actually made it quite easy for all of those around you to deal with it,

:56:20. > :56:25.do you think? People find it hard to bring it up but we don't want her

:56:26. > :56:29.memory to go. Not that it would, but we want to talk about her because

:56:30. > :56:33.she was our mother, my dad's wife, and such a big part of our life that

:56:34. > :56:38.we don't want people to avoid talking about her. We love talking

:56:39. > :56:43.about her and keeping her alive. People watching at getting in touch.

:56:44. > :56:48.Brave family talking about their wonderful mother's bucket lift. Good

:56:49. > :56:53.luck to them. And this one, can't cope with any more emotion. Makes

:56:54. > :56:58.you realise life is precious and should be lived to the full. You are

:56:59. > :57:06.a family of list makers. What are the big things on the horizon for

:57:07. > :57:13.you? Ahead of us? We used to do various city trips and we haven't

:57:14. > :57:19.been to Liverpool. We almost went. We were passing through on a trip to

:57:20. > :57:23.Ulster. And the girls have got some big school foreign trips coming up,

:57:24. > :57:26.which will be individual but big things for them. So carry on gaining

:57:27. > :57:37.new experiences and travelling a bit. Thank you for coming on. It is

:57:38. > :57:40.good to talk to you. Still to come, we are talking about her social

:57:41. > :57:47.issues such as debt can drive those with mental health issues to

:57:48. > :57:53.despair. One in two have attempted to or thought about ending their own

:57:54. > :57:58.lives as a result. Now we can catch up with the weather. Some better

:57:59. > :58:05.weather in prospect for much of the UK. Tomorrow, we are dodging the

:58:06. > :58:09.downpours once again. An area of rain has been affecting parts of

:58:10. > :58:16.North West England and Wales today. It is spreading to the South. It may

:58:17. > :58:20.not clear the South until the afternoon. Showers down the eastern

:58:21. > :58:25.part of the UK leaving many of us in the West with quieter, sunnier

:58:26. > :58:29.weather to end the day. Still on the cool side but the winds will be

:58:30. > :58:34.easing a touch, so that is an improvement. Height averages of nine

:58:35. > :58:38.to 12. The process of the winds easing will continue into tonight

:58:39. > :58:42.and with the showers fading away, most of us will be dry after

:58:43. > :58:48.midnight. It will turn quite cold with some frost in places. I

:58:49. > :58:52.suggested a better day on the way for tomorrow. You may catch a shower

:58:53. > :58:57.along the eastern parts of the UK, may be heavy, but most of us will

:58:58. > :59:00.not. With wintry sunshine it will be pleasant. This weather system will

:59:01. > :59:04.bring rain across Northern Ireland as we go through the afternoon and

:59:05. > :59:09.as you can see it is pushing into western parts of the UK into the

:59:10. > :59:13.evening tomorrow. This band of rain on Saturday morning could be sitting

:59:14. > :59:17.along the eastern side of the UK and across much of Scotland. It

:59:18. > :59:18.gradually pulls away and then Saturday offers sunshine and showers

:59:19. > :59:23.and Sunday looks similar. Welcome to the programme

:59:24. > :59:27.if you've just joined us. Coming up before 11: A 14-page

:59:28. > :59:31.leaflet is being sent to every household in the UK -

:59:32. > :59:34.at a cost of ?9 million to the taxpayer - sets out the case

:59:35. > :59:37.for remaining in the European Union. Critics say it's a disgraceful

:59:38. > :59:41.use of public money. Almost half of people with mental

:59:42. > :59:44.health problems have considered or attempted to end their own lives

:59:45. > :59:47.in the last two years, as a result of social

:59:48. > :59:51.factors such as debt, housing and welfare problems,

:59:52. > :00:03.or relationship problems. This is all too common, and

:00:04. > :00:11.especially in young men, because they just do not... The lives of his

:00:12. > :00:16.friends have been shattered. At the funeral, I thought they should be

:00:17. > :00:18.going to parties, not their friend's funeral. More on that in a moment.

:00:19. > :00:20.A barrister who woke up to find his teenager

:00:21. > :00:22.lover dead alongside him, tells the BBC how a normal Monday

:00:23. > :00:25.turned into the most traumatic experience of his life.

:00:26. > :00:27.He faces jail for supplying drugs and admits he only

:00:28. > :00:45.While the ambulance took over trying to resuscitate Miguel, I was being

:00:46. > :00:49.guarded by police. The most traumatic experience one has ever

:00:50. > :00:52.been through. You have woken up next to a dead person, you have tried

:00:53. > :00:56.CPR, and you are treated like a criminal.

:00:57. > :01:02.Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:03. > :01:06.The government has defended its decision to deliver a leaflet

:01:07. > :01:09.to every home in the UK, setting out its case for remaining

:01:10. > :01:14.The move has been criticised by Leave campaigners

:01:15. > :01:16.who say the nine million pound cost is outrageous.

:01:17. > :01:22.In the coming weeks you can expect a delivery of what looks like

:01:23. > :01:27.Over 14 pages, it sets out why the government believes

:01:28. > :01:31.it is in Britain's interest to stay in the EU.

:01:32. > :01:34.But those who disagree are furious that the government are using money

:01:35. > :01:43.It is crazy to use that much taxpayer money on stuff to scare

:01:44. > :01:51.people and to stampede people in one direction.

:01:52. > :01:55.What we want is a proper and informed debate.

:01:56. > :01:58.And if you are going to use taxpayers' money you should allow

:01:59. > :02:00.that for the other people to use it as well.

:02:01. > :02:02.It will be sent to all 27 million UK households.

:02:03. > :02:08.That's more than the ?7 million limit that each side

:02:09. > :02:16.The government says it is giving the public the facts that they want.

:02:17. > :02:20.It is important that people understand what

:02:21. > :02:22.the government research shows, what the government's information

:02:23. > :02:27.shows and they can use to make their own decisions.

:02:28. > :02:29.Those who want to leave the European Union say

:02:30. > :02:32.that the distribution may be legal but it flies in the face

:02:33. > :02:34.of the government's commitment to ensure a free

:02:35. > :02:44.Iceland's governing coalition has chosen a new Prime Minister,

:02:45. > :02:47.after the leaked Panama papers caused Sigmundur

:02:48. > :02:52.The Fisheries Minister will be his successor until

:02:53. > :02:56.There have been public protests in Rejkjavik calling for the entire

:02:57. > :03:02.Four migrant children are arriving in the UK from Calais anytime now,

:03:03. > :03:06.after being allowed to stay with their families

:03:07. > :03:08.here while their asylum claims are assessed.

:03:09. > :03:10.The teenagers are from Syria and Afghanistan, and are among

:03:11. > :03:14.the first to arrive under newly-enforced EU laws.

:03:15. > :03:17.The charity Citizens UK is calling for the government to do more

:03:18. > :03:23.to help other children in similar situations.

:03:24. > :03:26.NHS England says that the second day of the latest strike by junior

:03:27. > :03:30.doctors is likely to be more difficult for the health service.

:03:31. > :03:32.They are providing only emergency care, because of a dispute

:03:33. > :03:35.with the government about the imposition of a new contract.

:03:36. > :03:39.More than 5,000 procedures have been postponed as a result

:03:40. > :03:41.of the 48-hour walkout, which began at eight

:03:42. > :03:49.A 14 year old girl who went missing almost two weeks ago,

:03:50. > :03:52.has been found safe and well by police in Wigan.

:03:53. > :03:55.Concerns had been growing for the safety of Jade Lynch

:03:56. > :03:57.following her disappearance in St Helens 11 days ago.

:03:58. > :04:01.Police say support from the public was vital in finding Jade

:04:02. > :04:06.after her sister appealed for her return.

:04:07. > :04:08.There's more bad news for Marks and Spencer this morning.

:04:09. > :04:11.Clothing and home sales at the famous retailer fell by 2.7%

:04:12. > :04:18.The firm's new chief executive, Steve Rowe, says he'll remain

:04:19. > :04:21.personally in charge of that part of the business because he's

:04:22. > :04:26.Food sales were flat during the same period.

:04:27. > :04:32.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:04:33. > :04:46.We are going to be talking to two women love that operations cancelled

:04:47. > :04:55.because of the junior doctors strike. Have you been affected? --

:04:56. > :04:58.who have had operations cancelled. If you text, you will be charged at

:04:59. > :04:59.the standard network rate. Time for sport now,

:05:00. > :05:10.and Olly Foster is back with news Absolutely, it is all about European

:05:11. > :05:17.football this week. Manchester City have got two pressures away goals to

:05:18. > :05:21.take into their second leg against Paris Saint-Germain. Attention now

:05:22. > :05:26.turns to the Europa League quarterfinals. The only British

:05:27. > :05:29.representative is Liverpool. They face Borussia Dortmund. Conor

:05:30. > :05:38.McNamara would be commentating on five live later. He is in position

:05:39. > :05:42.nice and early. Let's Twell on the match in Paris last night.

:05:43. > :05:48.Manchester City breaking new ground. They will have real belief now that

:05:49. > :05:52.they can get into the semifinals? Overall it has been a disappointing

:05:53. > :05:55.season for Manchester City domestically. But they have a chance

:05:56. > :05:59.to make an impact in Europe. They have never been this far. To get a

:06:00. > :06:07.draw against Paris Saint-Germain in Paris is not a bad result. The last

:06:08. > :06:12.39 home games in Europe for Paris Saint-Germain, they have only been

:06:13. > :06:16.beaten once, and that was by Barcelona. For Manchester City to

:06:17. > :06:19.get the two away goals, they will be pleased. Both teams will be

:06:20. > :06:24.disappointed with their defending but Manchester City will take place.

:06:25. > :06:29.It has been a good week for Germany. Bayern Munich got their win on

:06:30. > :06:34.Tuesday. Last night Wolfsburg stunned ten time European champions

:06:35. > :06:40.Real Madrid. I was in Dortmund last night and all of the attention was

:06:41. > :06:47.on Wolfsburg against Real Madrid. They did really well. They started

:06:48. > :06:52.brightly. They got the early goals. And for Wolfsburg, they will see

:06:53. > :06:57.this as a real scalp. They have got a little bit of wriggle room going

:06:58. > :07:00.into the second leg. Real Madrid, who had beaten Barcelona four days

:07:01. > :07:09.previously, I think it was a real come down to earth. Ronaldo was

:07:10. > :07:14.poor, Gareth Bale never got going. Wolfsburg wanted it more. To the

:07:15. > :07:17.Europa League, this is such a standout tie, Dortmund against

:07:18. > :07:25.Liverpool. Jurgen Klopp returning to his old stomping ground. It is a

:07:26. > :07:29.place where he is revered still? Yes, they erected a joke sign two

:07:30. > :07:35.point Jurgen Klopp to which dressing room he goes to. It has been done in

:07:36. > :07:39.a friendly manner. It is a quick return to Dortmund for Juergen

:07:40. > :07:43.Klopp. Can you imagine if Alex Ferguson brought another team back

:07:44. > :07:49.to old Trafford to play Manchester United? It is that kind of welcome.

:07:50. > :07:54.Klopp had huge success with Dortmund. He won the Bundesliga, he

:07:55. > :07:57.won the double, he got to the Champions League final. He brought

:07:58. > :08:03.great success with very attractive football. They love him here.

:08:04. > :08:07.Normally at these Uefa press conferences, the media are only

:08:08. > :08:11.allowed to film the first ten minutes of training. Klopp said they

:08:12. > :08:18.could stay for the whole training session. That shows how comfortable

:08:19. > :08:22.he is. The cameras were trained on him, not the team. Sometimes you

:08:23. > :08:26.just want ten minutes to get off to do your work! There was some talk

:08:27. > :08:31.that the host broadcaster was going to have a camera on Klopp for 90

:08:32. > :08:36.minutes. That has been shelved. The attention will be on him. Will he be

:08:37. > :08:40.able to focus? I think you will be pleased. At the end of the day he

:08:41. > :08:47.will want to win this game. If it takes pressure off his players, I

:08:48. > :08:56.think Klopp will gladly absorb that extra pressure. There is a museum

:08:57. > :09:05.here. Inside, one of the prize replicas, not replicas, but the real

:09:06. > :09:10.thing, were the glasses he broke a few years ago when, in celebration

:09:11. > :09:15.of a win, Klopp managed to break his glasses. That is how highly regarded

:09:16. > :09:19.he is. And yet the attention will be on Klopp To night. Some people are

:09:20. > :09:24.talking about it being the Juergen Klopp derby. It is a quick return.

:09:25. > :09:30.He will not be celebrating if Dortmund score. It's doable

:09:31. > :09:32.goal-scorer he will be celebrated. -- if Liverpool scored he will be

:09:33. > :09:43.celebrating. Conor McNamara. Very jealous because

:09:44. > :09:48.the Dortmund Stadium is on my bucket list. The Masters, the first major

:09:49. > :09:55.of the year, tees off this afternoon. We have shown a Gary

:09:56. > :10:03.player's hole in one area. There were a few decent putts. Nick Faldo.

:10:04. > :10:10.You think that is way word. Where EC aiming for? What happens. Faldo

:10:11. > :10:17.reads the green to absolute perfection. Will it make it? He

:10:18. > :10:24.reels it in like a fish. Will it drop? It will. Otherwise we would

:10:25. > :10:32.not show it! Then he plays to the galleries. Here he goes. Quicker

:10:33. > :10:38.than me! After every bulletin I do that in the newsroom. I do not get

:10:39. > :10:41.that kind of reaction though. I will be back in about 20 minutes.

:10:42. > :10:45.I have seen you! Housing, debt and welfare -

:10:46. > :10:47.all social issues that are claimed to be leading one in two people

:10:48. > :10:50.with mental health problems The charity, Mind, is today warning

:10:51. > :10:55.that the type of local services that help those very people are under

:10:56. > :10:58.threat from spending cuts, despite the government saying it has

:10:59. > :11:00.increased mental health funding to an estimated

:11:01. > :11:04.?11.7 billion last year. More than 1,500 people who have used

:11:05. > :11:08.mental health services in the last two years were surveyed

:11:09. > :11:11.on behalf of Mind. Out of those, 41% said they had

:11:12. > :11:17.considered or attempted suicide because of financial

:11:18. > :11:20.or housing pressures. 29% said that a fear of losing

:11:21. > :11:26.or the loss of welfare benefits. Losing their job or difficulties

:11:27. > :11:29.at work was the reason, 29% of people said they had

:11:30. > :11:32.considered taking their own life And a further, 29% said it

:11:33. > :11:46.relationship breakdown Earlier I spoke to sue Jackson who

:11:47. > :11:53.has suffered from mental health issues. Tom Pollard. Jake Mills, who

:11:54. > :11:59.tried to take his own life after getting into problems with money. He

:12:00. > :12:05.has since started a charity. And Ann Thorne, whose son took his own life.

:12:06. > :12:08.At the inquest, worry over his death was described as a contributory

:12:09. > :12:12.factor. People would help -- mental health

:12:13. > :12:16.problems are more likely to need support from benefits have problems

:12:17. > :12:20.with housing. When they do experience those issues, it has a

:12:21. > :12:24.more profound impact on people. It can become difficult for people to

:12:25. > :12:27.deal with their everyday lives. All of this experience these issues but

:12:28. > :12:32.for people with mental health issues it is a double whammy. The local

:12:33. > :12:35.services we are talking about with our campaign can really be the

:12:36. > :12:39.difference between life and death, for people who are suffering with

:12:40. > :12:45.those problems, having summary to support them through really can make

:12:46. > :12:52.the difference to people between not being able to cope and being able to

:12:53. > :12:58.cope. He was 23. He had been at university and had dropped out.

:12:59. > :13:07.Everyone in the university, this seemed to be normal. How many

:13:08. > :13:13.students do not have problems with money? Yes, I had been asked to pay

:13:14. > :13:20.his rent a couple of times. He had a big student overdraft with the bank.

:13:21. > :13:25.Yes, I was aware of it. But was I worried that he was going to take in

:13:26. > :13:32.his own life? No. I was just not aware of the shocking statistics.

:13:33. > :13:38.And I think my view is, I think the debt possibly was the straw that

:13:39. > :13:43.broke the camel's back. I do not believe he killed himself just

:13:44. > :13:48.because he was in debt. From what I understand now about suicide, it is

:13:49. > :13:53.very complex. But as your article is showing, it can be that final thing

:13:54. > :13:57.that pushes someone over the edge. They're coping skills have gone by

:13:58. > :14:02.that point. Whether it is losing your job, debt or relationship, that

:14:03. > :14:07.can be the final factor. The thing with young men is the fact

:14:08. > :14:13.that they just do not talk. It is all very well to talk about these

:14:14. > :14:17.resources, but my view is that every body has a role to play. We need to

:14:18. > :14:27.talk about suicide and looking out for each other. If we know somebody

:14:28. > :14:33.who is suicidal, talk to them. GPs need to be trained. We can all

:14:34. > :14:40.contribute by talking about it and removing this stigma. Jake, you

:14:41. > :14:44.tried to take your own life. What was going on in your life that made

:14:45. > :14:48.you feel you could not go on? There were a lot of things. It was not

:14:49. > :14:54.anything in particular. I probably could not tell you a moment when

:14:55. > :15:02.what made me depressed, or when I became depressed, but there were a

:15:03. > :15:07.lot of different things going on. Relationship issues, money issues. I

:15:08. > :15:13.was on the dole. That for me was a significant, massively low moment. A

:15:14. > :15:19.lot of different issues. They'll just built up. When you are

:15:20. > :15:23.depressed, something that might seem not that big a deal for some people,

:15:24. > :15:24.can be the biggest thing and the biggest deal in the world for

:15:25. > :15:34.others. And it is just that building on top

:15:35. > :15:40.of each other that can really way so heavily on you and that is how it

:15:41. > :15:43.was for me. It was the combination of different things. Each and every

:15:44. > :15:50.one of them felt like the worst thing in the world. The point that

:15:51. > :15:55.has just been made, that lady saying that she wants to talk about her

:15:56. > :15:59.son, and nobody knows what to say. That is the problem. That is the

:16:00. > :16:04.main problem. We don't know what to say and people don't know enough

:16:05. > :16:07.about suicide, depression and mental illness. We simply don't know enough

:16:08. > :16:16.about it to be able to talk about it and that is what we need to be

:16:17. > :16:21.addressing. I experienced problems with the neighbours, and I am quite

:16:22. > :16:29.a resilient person and I had a good job and I was managing my life, but

:16:30. > :16:34.because of the intensity of the issues, I reached a point where I

:16:35. > :16:45.couldn't cope with things and it was a very low point in my life. So how

:16:46. > :16:49.did you feel? I felt extremely desperate and at times I just

:16:50. > :16:56.couldn't see any light at the end of the tunnel. It made me feel very

:16:57. > :17:03.depressed. It affected my appetite, it affected my sleep, it affected my

:17:04. > :17:14.whole life. I just found I couldn't cope. Sue, Jake, Tom and Anne

:17:15. > :17:19.talking to me earlier. If you want help on any of the issues we have

:17:20. > :17:24.been talking about, you can visit the BBC action line website. Rodney

:17:25. > :17:28.saying, I suffer from bad mental health, after getting sacked with

:17:29. > :17:34.too much time off work. Even with a doctor note, I was failed on the

:17:35. > :17:39.medical. Only part of my mortgage was paid and now I have had an

:17:40. > :17:44.eviction notice. I have tried taking my life a couple of times. I am 52

:17:45. > :17:48.and I have worked all my life. A tweet from Burnley. Good to see the

:17:49. > :17:54.median now sympathetic to mental illness. And Jane says, benefit cuts

:17:55. > :17:59.and loss of benefits underpins lots of problems with mental health.

:18:00. > :18:06.People cannot recover while terrified.

:18:07. > :18:11.Two teenage girls who walked away laughing after they battered

:18:12. > :18:13.a 39-year-old woman to death will be sentenced today.

:18:14. > :18:16.We ask a forensic psychologist whether young criminals like this

:18:17. > :18:20.At the beginning of last year, Miguel Jimenez,

:18:21. > :18:22.an 18-year-old man from Colombia, was found dead in his

:18:23. > :18:28.The man who found him was his partner Henry Hendron,

:18:29. > :18:34.a young barrister enjoying, until that day, a glittering career.

:18:35. > :18:36.Mr Hendron supplied the drugs that killed his partner.

:18:37. > :18:42.pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey and he'll be sentenced potentially

:18:43. > :18:53.He excerpts response 34 his situation and does not want special

:18:54. > :18:56.treatment from the courts. He has decided to speak to the BBC about

:18:57. > :19:03.what he says is a huge and underreported issue.

:19:04. > :19:06.We have talked about it before on this programme - the drug fuelled

:19:07. > :19:08.binges that gay men in particular are involved in at potential great

:19:09. > :19:12.It's been labelled "chemsex" and has been described by the Royal College

:19:13. > :19:15.of GPs as a rapidly emerging pattern of drug use.

:19:16. > :19:18.We should warn you, you might not want children to hear what he says

:19:19. > :19:21.when he talked to the Today programme presenter Justin Webb.

:19:22. > :19:24.We'll be talking about this issue for the next 15 minutes or so.

:19:25. > :19:28.We had gone to the vet to take our dog to

:19:29. > :19:31.We had dinner, we had some wine, my partner had quite

:19:32. > :19:35.at midnight he just said, shall we have some drugs?

:19:36. > :19:38.I was working the next day, so I didn't have any on

:19:39. > :19:40.that occasion, but he did and had some G.

:19:41. > :19:47.I woke up and he was dead next to me.

:19:48. > :19:51.With the ambulance, came the police and

:19:52. > :19:55.lots of them, so while the ambulance took over trying to resuscitate

:19:56. > :19:58.Miguel that morning, I was then guarded by the police for the next

:19:59. > :20:02.Just the most traumatic experience one has ever been

:20:03. > :20:05.You've woken up next to a dead person,

:20:06. > :20:07.you've tried CPR, the

:20:08. > :20:12.ambulance has come in, you're now treated like a criminal.

:20:13. > :20:14.Everything came before one's mind that I was there because

:20:15. > :20:18.My partner was dead because of drugs and I was about to

:20:19. > :20:28.Also because of drugs that you had supplied?

:20:29. > :20:31.My partner and I, we did drugs together and with other

:20:32. > :20:35.It's a common and increasing phenomenon in the gay

:20:36. > :20:43.Did you feel in any way responsible for his death?

:20:44. > :20:48.Listen, every day that goes past, I feel responsible.

:20:49. > :20:50.I feel responsible because I was older,

:20:51. > :21:02.It should have been me saying, we're not going to do this.

:21:03. > :21:04.It should have been me taking that responsibility.

:21:05. > :21:08.Instead of taking drugs, let's go to the cinema or whatever.

:21:09. > :21:11.I didn't make that call and I should have done and for

:21:12. > :21:14.that reason and that reason alone, I put his tragic death on my

:21:15. > :21:22.I hadn't touched drugs before, in my teens or twenties.

:21:23. > :21:25.It was only in the last couple of years that I touched them.

:21:26. > :21:34.When you're at various chill outs, as we call them,

:21:35. > :21:40.or parties, you share your experiences with people.

:21:41. > :21:42.You have days to do so, they last three days

:21:43. > :21:46.or four, and there are a large number of people in their 30s or 40s

:21:47. > :21:49.who've come to drugs late but now they do them regularly.

:21:50. > :21:50.I think that's because drugs in the gay

:21:51. > :21:57.Recent studies suggest that gay people are

:21:58. > :22:00.three times more likely to use drugs than their straight counterparts.

:22:01. > :22:06.One study put it at seven times more likely.

:22:07. > :22:08.It seems to be the acceptable face of recreation

:22:09. > :22:16.The Public Health England report found that most people who do

:22:17. > :22:19.these kind of gay sex high parties are in full-time

:22:20. > :22:23.It's not a picture that most people who aren't part of that

:22:24. > :22:26.The problem is more prevalent than most people

:22:27. > :22:39.It's increasing because the drugs are cheap and they are everywhere.

:22:40. > :22:40.So my experience was that

:22:41. > :22:43.it was late in life and then it became too much.

:22:44. > :22:47.I justified my regular use because I was

:22:48. > :22:51.You close your mind to the real risks.

:22:52. > :22:54.Looking back, I only have myself to blame for where I am

:22:55. > :22:57.and that is a place with uncertainty.

:22:58. > :23:06.I am still practising, just, but I won't be for much longer.

:23:07. > :23:08.What will happen to you, do you think?

:23:09. > :23:11.I await sentencing and we'll see what happens there,

:23:12. > :23:21.It is my own fault that I am here, it is my own fault where I am.

:23:22. > :23:25.I may go to prison and whatever I get, I deserve.

:23:26. > :23:28.I have made some stupid decisions and you have to

:23:29. > :23:34.If I didn't, you're not moving forwards.

:23:35. > :23:38.I may go to prison but I will lose my job whatever happens.

:23:39. > :23:48.That's just a price that drugs makes you pay.

:23:49. > :23:56.Henry Hendron speaking to Justin Webb.

:23:57. > :23:58.We can speak now to Daniel May and Greg Owen who've

:23:59. > :24:03.Greg now has HIV and campaigns to raise awareness about the risks

:24:04. > :24:07.With us here in the studio is Hannah McCall, a specialist

:24:08. > :24:09.sexual health nurse at Central and North West London NHS Trust.

:24:10. > :24:12.She recently wrote an editorial in the British Medical Journal

:24:13. > :24:14.saying chemsex needs to become a public health priority.

:24:15. > :24:20.Thank you all for joining us. Hannah, we were hearing from Henry

:24:21. > :24:25.Hendron saying that gay people are three times more likely to take

:24:26. > :24:31.drugs than straight people. How common is it? It is certainly very

:24:32. > :24:35.common. We see 200 patients a day at our clinic and maybe ten to 20 of

:24:36. > :24:42.those each day is admitting some kind of drug use involved in their

:24:43. > :24:47.sex life. And it is drug use that is coming about because of sexual

:24:48. > :24:50.activity? Yes. When we talk about chemsex, we talk about the

:24:51. > :24:53.intentional use of drugs to enhance your sexual experience, not just

:24:54. > :24:59.taking drugs and then having sex incidentally. Henry Hendron was

:25:00. > :25:05.saying there that it has become the acceptable face of recreation in the

:25:06. > :25:09.gay community. Would you agree? It is certainly very common and they

:25:10. > :25:13.gay men that I meet in clinic are not surprised when we asked them

:25:14. > :25:17.about drug use in relation to their sex lives. What are the risks that

:25:18. > :25:22.people are reading? They are twofold. Health care risks,

:25:23. > :25:28.infection. People are less likely to make safe decisions when using

:25:29. > :25:32.drugs. Less likely to use condoms, and more susceptible to HIV and

:25:33. > :25:36.hepatitis C. The other risk is psychological. People end up with

:25:37. > :25:39.dependency, drugs can cause psychosis, high blood pressure,

:25:40. > :25:43.heart attacks, and all of these things are mixed up and that is why

:25:44. > :25:48.we think more needs to be done about it. Greg and Daniel, you have both

:25:49. > :25:52.been there and felt the repercussions of the impact of this

:25:53. > :26:04.on your lives. Tell us what your experiences have been. To be honest,

:26:05. > :26:08.Victoria... JoAnn! Don't worry. During my time on the chemsex scene,

:26:09. > :26:13.I navigated that environment quite well. I was adept at it. No matter

:26:14. > :26:20.how experienced and adept you are, eventually the drugs win. I was so

:26:21. > :26:24.crazy on a crystal meth psychosis at one point that I wanted to go home

:26:25. > :26:28.to Belfast. I was at a chill out and I had no passport but I had a pocket

:26:29. > :26:33.full of cash and I managed to get from London to Scotland on a 12 hour

:26:34. > :26:40.coach, and then from Scotland to Belfast on a ferry with no passport

:26:41. > :26:44.and just a pocket full of cash. I was just that crazy after being

:26:45. > :26:50.awake for four or five days. It is not just twofold. It is mental,

:26:51. > :26:55.emotional, social. No matter how well you navigate that system, there

:26:56. > :26:58.is always a price to pay. How did you get into it? I was in a

:26:59. > :27:06.seven-year relationship and the guy that I was with was heavily into the

:27:07. > :27:13.clubbing scene. We would use hook up apps and drugs for group sex that we

:27:14. > :27:18.would have. When I became single, I had to navigate single life. It was

:27:19. > :27:23.a seven-year relationship, so when I came out of the relationship, there

:27:24. > :27:27.were apps, crystal meth, mephedrone, sex parties, and that was all there

:27:28. > :27:31.was. That was gay single life and that is how I progressed into that

:27:32. > :27:36.scene. I had a lot of fun and I met some nice people and make genuine

:27:37. > :27:49.connections. But it is steeped in a lot of loneliness, I

:27:50. > :27:52.think, and that seems to be a driving force for gay men. The

:27:53. > :27:54.chemsex culture is a need for connection and maybe intimacy

:27:55. > :27:56.without investment. It takes tools to navigate that environment and

:27:57. > :28:00.that is what we should be encouraging. What was your

:28:01. > :28:05.experience, Daniel? I used drugs because I had a massive void in

:28:06. > :28:10.terms of loneliness. My father left my mother when I was quite a young

:28:11. > :28:15.child and that manifested into me looking for a father figure in

:28:16. > :28:19.partners. I wasn't finding the right guy for me, so I wasn't finding the

:28:20. > :28:27.attention and the love that I was craving for so much. I started going

:28:28. > :28:35.on apps like Grinder, Manhunt, to get that attention, to get that, but

:28:36. > :28:39.stupidly. It is not until you do the chemsex parties, where you feel

:28:40. > :28:42.loved by everyone, and afterwards you realise they be declared. You're

:28:43. > :28:47.not going to get a text afterwards, you're not going to get a phone

:28:48. > :28:52.call, you are not going to see them again. Once you feel worse, you go

:28:53. > :28:57.running back to do drugs again because you feel bad that you did it

:28:58. > :29:03.in the first place. The complete addiction? I was not really addicted

:29:04. > :29:06.to drugs but to the emotions that I got doing drugs. I woke up in the

:29:07. > :29:11.morning and I didn't have withdrawal symptoms. I was not shaking, I

:29:12. > :29:16.wasn't craving drugs, I craved attention and that is why I did it.

:29:17. > :29:22.Where you fearful of the risks you were running? Of course. I was very

:29:23. > :29:26.lucky. I did drugs four years and I am so lucky I have not become

:29:27. > :29:33.positive and I am very for that. I knew the risks but they did not

:29:34. > :29:39.outweigh the pleasure I was getting from doing the drugs and that is

:29:40. > :29:45.where the risk is. The apps need to take more responsibility for what is

:29:46. > :29:50.going on with people using them. Whether that be an email address

:29:51. > :29:58.that could be set up... They are not here to defend themselves. Can I say

:29:59. > :30:05.on apps? It is people. You can't blame anything. It is people. We

:30:06. > :30:09.make a choice and it is about choosing something that is better

:30:10. > :30:12.for us rather than trying to allocate responsibility. It starts

:30:13. > :30:14.with us. At what point did you decide to make a choice and change

:30:15. > :30:28.things and how hard was it? Ironically it was my HIV diagnosis.

:30:29. > :30:33.It made me become aware of what I was doing and what I wanted to do.

:30:34. > :30:43.It was a catalyst for great change. I had actually decided I was going

:30:44. > :30:51.to start the daily pill, the HIB -- HIV prevention method. I went along

:30:52. > :30:56.to get my test and found out I was positive. At that point I was, you

:30:57. > :31:03.know what, this is the first time in my adult life where I have to take

:31:04. > :31:07.stock. I can exist like this but I want to exist better. I want to

:31:08. > :31:13.thrive better. At that point I wanted to make better choices. Like

:31:14. > :31:18.Daniel said, it is a cycle. When you are in that, it is very hard to get

:31:19. > :31:22.out. Henry Hendron has been talking about it because he said it has

:31:23. > :31:27.effectively become an acceptable face of the gay community. What

:31:28. > :31:33.would you say to young gay men who are being sucked into this? I feel

:31:34. > :31:41.for Henry, I really do. It is a terrible situation. I just found out

:31:42. > :31:45.a few days ago that my former fiance, who I was with for seven

:31:46. > :31:51.years, had a stroke, probably from too much drugs, and had a heart

:31:52. > :31:54.attack a few years before. He is only 37. The physical aspects, a

:31:55. > :32:00.very real threat. Even if you do not choose to do drugs and chemsex, if

:32:01. > :32:08.you go onto a whole cup app, everybody around you will be doing

:32:09. > :32:14.it. -- hook up. You still have to navigate other people's chemsex. My

:32:15. > :32:18.advice to younger gay men, especially in London, is, do not be

:32:19. > :32:22.afraid to establish what you want and do not be afraid if it is

:32:23. > :32:27.slightly different from the norm, the acceptable face of social

:32:28. > :32:32.interaction. Do not want to be afraid -- do not be afraid to say

:32:33. > :32:36.you want more. Some of these younger guys have not known anything like

:32:37. > :32:41.this and how to navigate it. Nobody is saying do not do it. That is not

:32:42. > :32:52.what I am about. If you are going to do it, do it clever and ask for help

:32:53. > :32:56.if you need it. You work in London. Is this a mainly London phenomenon?

:32:57. > :33:05.Obviously your focus is on London. Is it everywhere? It is certainly

:33:06. > :33:07.across the UK, mostly in big cities, London, Brighton, Manchester. But we

:33:08. > :33:12.see it in Europe and across the world. This week is the first

:33:13. > :33:16.European chemsex Forum, where experts from across Europe are

:33:17. > :33:21.getting together to talk about this issue, to discuss what trends we are

:33:22. > :33:24.seeing in our cities versus Amsterdam or Berlin, what we are

:33:25. > :33:31.doing about it, what they are doing about it. It is about finding a way

:33:32. > :33:37.forward. Lewis says the followed for the guys involved is awful. Joe says

:33:38. > :33:42.this affects only a small portion of gay men. The men on your show only

:33:43. > :33:46.represent a small part of a large diverse community. Thank you all.

:33:47. > :33:47.Nearly 25,000 operations and procedures have

:33:48. > :33:49.been delayed because of the junior doctor strikes.

:33:50. > :33:52.We speak to two people who've been directly affected and ask

:33:53. > :34:00.whether their opinion of the strikes has changed.

:34:01. > :34:07.And the former managing director of Leeds United says he was hit in the

:34:08. > :34:12.face, beaten and tasered while in prison for fraud in Dubai. He speaks

:34:13. > :34:17.to the BBC in his first interview since his release last month.

:34:18. > :34:21.Now the news with Ben. Campaigners who want the UK to leave

:34:22. > :34:24.the European Union have accused the government of scaring voters

:34:25. > :34:26.and wasting money. Their anger concerns a leaflet

:34:27. > :34:29.being sent to every household, setting out the case

:34:30. > :34:33.for staying in the EU. There'll also be social media

:34:34. > :34:39.posts and a new website. David Cameron says the campaign

:34:40. > :34:42.will provide the public with key I will be putting mine

:34:43. > :35:04.in an envelope and sending it There will be along in petition

:35:05. > :35:08.launched later today to ensure we get the issue discussed in

:35:09. > :35:09.parliament, so we can make it our outrage at how the government has

:35:10. > :35:12.conducted itself. Parliament has set out what should

:35:13. > :35:16.happen in the campaign. Both sides will be entitled

:35:17. > :35:18.to access taxpayers' money to send They can spend millions of pounds

:35:19. > :35:22.setting out the arguments why they think we should

:35:23. > :35:26.leave or remain. What we have done in this leaflet

:35:27. > :35:29.is set out the basic facts that And set out the government judgment

:35:30. > :35:39.about that. Iceland's governing coalition has

:35:40. > :35:41.chosen a new Prime Minister, after the leaked Panama papers

:35:42. > :35:43.caused Sigmundur The Fisheries Minister

:35:44. > :35:46.will be his successor until There have been public protests

:35:47. > :35:51.in Rejkjavik calling for the entire A BBC Freedom of Information request

:35:52. > :35:59.has revealed inconsistencies in specialist mental health

:36:00. > :36:02.treatment for outpatients In some parts of the country over

:36:03. > :36:06.the past four years, waiting times The Department of Health says it's

:36:07. > :36:13.investing ?150 million in services for young patients over

:36:14. > :36:23.the next five years. Four migrant children will arrive

:36:24. > :36:26.in the UK from Calais this morning, after being allowed to stay

:36:27. > :36:28.with their families here while their asylum

:36:29. > :36:30.claims are assessed. The teenagers are from Syria

:36:31. > :36:32.and Afghanistan, and are among the first to arrive under

:36:33. > :36:34.newly-enforced EU laws. The charity Citizens UK is calling

:36:35. > :36:37.for the government to do more to help other children

:36:38. > :36:51.in similar situations. Six weeks after an inconclusive

:36:52. > :36:57.general election in the Republic of Ireland, the two largest parties are

:36:58. > :37:05.discussing forming a government together. And Kenny has met his

:37:06. > :37:09.political rival Michael Martin and proposed a formal coalition. If no

:37:10. > :37:13.agreement is reached, which is possible, another general election

:37:14. > :37:16.would have to be cold. That is a summary of the news. Join me at 11

:37:17. > :37:27.o'clock. Now the sport. Hello. The first leg

:37:28. > :37:33.of Manchester City's first Champions League quarterfinal ended in a 2-2

:37:34. > :37:39.draw against PSG. Joe Hart saved a penalty. Kevin De Bruyne and

:37:40. > :37:44.Fernandinho scored. There was a shock in Germany last night as

:37:45. > :37:48.Wolfsburg, playing their first quarterfinal as well, beat ten time

:37:49. > :37:55.European champions real Madrid -- Real Madrid. To night Jurgen Klopp

:37:56. > :38:01.returns to Dortmund with Liverpool in the Europa League quarterfinals.

:38:02. > :38:05.And the first golf major of the tees off this afternoon. Rory McIlroy

:38:06. > :38:07.waiting for his first green jacket is in the final group at Augusta.

:38:08. > :38:09.That is sport. Angela Wrightson was found dead

:38:10. > :38:12.in her living room with more She'd been murdered by two girls

:38:13. > :38:18.who were just 13 and 14 at the time. A court heard how they had battered

:38:19. > :38:24.and tortured her to death. They're being sentenced this morning

:38:25. > :38:34.at Leeds Crown Court. Megan Patterson is there. Tell us

:38:35. > :38:42.more about this attack, what happened? It was a brutal, savage

:38:43. > :38:46.and sustained attack which took place in Angela Wrightson's home in

:38:47. > :38:51.Hartlepool. The attack was carried out by two girls known to her. At

:38:52. > :38:56.the time of the attack they were aged 13 and 14. On the night of

:38:57. > :39:01.their death they let themselves into her property. They would also that

:39:02. > :39:06.smash -- often go there to get alcohol. On that night they took

:39:07. > :39:10.selfies as they assaulted her. They took household implements to batter.

:39:11. > :39:14.The following day she was found by her landlord lying there. She had

:39:15. > :39:19.almost 100 injuries all over her body. Police later found several

:39:20. > :39:22.instruments they think were used in the torture of Angela Wrightson,

:39:23. > :39:27.including a spade which was covered in blood. There was a wooden plank

:39:28. > :39:32.that had nails in it. They think they were all used in the assault.

:39:33. > :39:37.Today those girls will be sentenced at the court in Leeds. They are now

:39:38. > :39:43.both 15 years old. How much is known about the girls? Obviously for legal

:39:44. > :39:47.reasons we cannot tell you too much. But we do know that both of the

:39:48. > :39:51.girls at the time of the attack were in care. They did know Angela

:39:52. > :39:54.Wrightson. They would often go around to her house, as did many

:39:55. > :40:01.young people in the community where she lived. Angela Wrightson herself

:40:02. > :40:05.had a chaotic lifestyle. She was dependent on alcohol. She had been

:40:06. > :40:09.in and out of prison often. She was known to young people as somebody

:40:10. > :40:12.who would go to the newsagents and buy them alcohol. They could drink

:40:13. > :40:17.around her house. They would sometimes give her money or share

:40:18. > :40:23.that with her. That is the second part of the story. There are no two

:40:24. > :40:26.official reviews into the case. One looking at the care and supervision

:40:27. > :40:32.offered to the young girls who were supposed to be being supervised. One

:40:33. > :40:36.review is looking to what went wrong there. How could their behaviour

:40:37. > :40:40.have been monitored? And a second review is looking at the care and

:40:41. > :40:44.support and supervision that Angela Wrightson was given. She was known

:40:45. > :40:47.to be a vulnerable member of the community. Her past was well

:40:48. > :40:51.documented. She had been involved in a number of services in the past

:40:52. > :40:55.trying to overcome alcohol dependency. Those reviews have

:40:56. > :41:02.started. Today is the sentencing of the girls, 15 at the time -- 15 now,

:41:03. > :41:05.13 and 14 when they committed the attack.

:41:06. > :41:07.This case has shocked people, partly because of the level

:41:08. > :41:09.of the violence, and partly because of the young age

:41:10. > :41:13.We can speak now to Dr Simone Fox, who is a forensic psychologist

:41:14. > :41:22.How unusual is a case like this involving young girls and such a

:41:23. > :41:29.level of violence? This is extremely rare. Girls offend far less than

:41:30. > :41:33.boys. It is the extreme nature of it that makes it very rare. After the

:41:34. > :41:38.murder, the girls phoned police and asked for a lift home. They were

:41:39. > :41:41.taking selfies in the back of the police van. It seems to demonstrate

:41:42. > :41:48.a complete disconnect with what they had actually done? Yes, and I think

:41:49. > :41:53.their behaviour, they were not thinking about what they had done.

:41:54. > :41:58.They were not taking responsibility. There was a disconnect. There was

:41:59. > :42:07.not the emotion there. There was no processing of their behaviour. Is it

:42:08. > :42:11.possible to generalise about a child that might turn into this sort of

:42:12. > :42:17.child that would be able to behave in this way? There is a lot of

:42:18. > :42:21.research and known risk factors for what might increase the risk of

:42:22. > :42:25.extreme violence. There are individual factors in the young

:42:26. > :42:32.people. Problem solving skills, low intellectual functioning,

:42:33. > :42:35.anti-social attitudes and beliefs, pro-offending attitudes, a lack of

:42:36. > :42:40.empathy, a lack of remorse. But what is more important to look that is

:42:41. > :42:45.the systems around them. Looking at the family factors. The family is

:42:46. > :42:50.really important to the development of a child. A large rubber of risk

:42:51. > :42:58.factors. A family where there has been abuse or neglect, where a young

:42:59. > :43:04.person has witnessed violence had been subjected to violence. When a

:43:05. > :43:09.young person has gone into the care system, that would indicate a poor

:43:10. > :43:12.prognosis. Also thinking about other factors, the school environment,

:43:13. > :43:17.somebody who is not doing well, they are dropping out, there are true

:43:18. > :43:21.ending. They are handing -- hanging out with other anti-social peers.

:43:22. > :43:25.The peer group is really crucial in adolescence. If you're hanging out

:43:26. > :43:29.with other negative peers, that will have an important role to play. The

:43:30. > :43:33.chief executive of the local council has said we need to do everything

:43:34. > :43:38.possible to understand what motivated the children to behave as

:43:39. > :43:43.they did. How important is it to understand? It is really important

:43:44. > :43:49.to understand what went wrong at an individual level for the young

:43:50. > :43:54.people, but also within the system. What led to the family breakdown?

:43:55. > :44:00.What experience did they have growing up? When they were in the

:44:01. > :44:04.care system, what happened? Trying to understand that.

:44:05. > :44:11.To learn lessons. Is it possible to turn kids to have done something

:44:12. > :44:15.terrible around? Definitely. Prevention is better than cure. We

:44:16. > :44:19.want to prevent people from authentic. There are interventions

:44:20. > :44:21.to prevent young people from going down that route. Family

:44:22. > :44:28.interventions, working with the system, interventions like systemic

:44:29. > :44:34.therapy or a family intervention projects. Also, when they have

:44:35. > :44:38.offended, it is about working with them at an individual level and with

:44:39. > :44:42.the family, and the systems afterwards. Thank you very much. We

:44:43. > :44:44.will bring you details of the sentencing when it comes through.

:44:45. > :44:46.The former managing director of Leeds United, David Haigh,

:44:47. > :44:49.says he was mistreated and beaten while in prison for fraud in Dubai.

:44:50. > :44:52.Speaking to the BBC in his first interview since his release last

:44:53. > :44:54.month, Mr Haigh said there had been five serious

:44:55. > :44:57.He ended up in prison after his former employers

:44:58. > :45:02.It was alleged that he faked invoices for millions of pounds

:45:03. > :45:04.and personally signed off on their payment, illegally

:45:05. > :45:07.channelling his employers' money to bank accounts he controlled.

:45:08. > :45:10.Mr Haigh has always denied the allegations,

:45:11. > :45:19.He's been speaking to Newsnight's Mark Lobel

:45:20. > :45:29.I was hit in the face. Tasered were used on me. I was pushed around. Was

:45:30. > :45:34.this in front of other prisoners? No, it was in front of police. Some

:45:35. > :45:38.police are good, others are bad. I was taken out in the middle of the

:45:39. > :45:46.night, taking into a car park and taken back inside to an office.

:45:47. > :45:49.There were various police around. They were essentially trying to

:45:50. > :45:53.scare me, telling me I needed to confess, that if I did come

:45:54. > :45:57.everything would be fine. If I left, they would give me Dale. If I

:45:58. > :46:02.didn't, they would give me ten years. A lot of threats. Telling me

:46:03. > :46:09.that the people who have complained about me were very powerful.

:46:10. > :46:14.There have been five serious episodes of it throughout my

:46:15. > :46:19.detention, each of which were reported to the embassy at the time.

:46:20. > :46:22.The last one, as recently as three weeks before I was released, when I

:46:23. > :46:27.was hit over the head with the back of a broom handle, for no reason. I

:46:28. > :46:34.was just standing there and the police hit me. You are convicted of

:46:35. > :46:38.fraud, misappropriating ?300 million of money in August 2015 by their

:46:39. > :46:43.criminal judge in Dubai, but you have complained about the process

:46:44. > :46:46.that led to your conviction. I went to two prosecution interviews

:46:47. > :46:49.without lawyers, without representation, being unable to see

:46:50. > :46:53.the accusations against me, unable to see any of the prosecution case

:46:54. > :46:59.because it was in Arabic and I was told I couldn't have translators. No

:47:00. > :47:03.interpretation of what was going on and no understanding at all. They

:47:04. > :47:08.had formed a conclusion, it was clear, because Dubai is all about

:47:09. > :47:12.marketing and PR, is that it was a bad case, quick, get him through the

:47:13. > :47:16.system and get him out. It was obvious. You are complaining about

:47:17. > :47:22.the process that led to your conviction but you do admit that you

:47:23. > :47:27.took the ?3.5 million in question. That money landed in your account.

:47:28. > :47:31.Took is the wrong word because it was given to me. Yes, it is in my

:47:32. > :47:35.bank account. You notice the money was in your account at some point

:47:36. > :47:42.but you didn't know how it had got there. How do you mean? As far as I

:47:43. > :47:45.was concerned, I was due a certain amount of money for different

:47:46. > :47:51.services. Whether that is the salary, whatever it may be, and I

:47:52. > :47:55.was receiving that money. I did have concerns towards the end of my time

:47:56. > :47:59.that I was being paid in a bizarre fashion. If I was due 35,000, for

:48:00. > :48:07.example, it would come in several amounts. That was a bit odd. During

:48:08. > :48:12.your time in prison, did you meet other British nationals detained

:48:13. > :48:20.without charge? Yes. In the last few years in Dubai, 100 or more British

:48:21. > :48:24.people have had their human rights abused, not had fair trials, have

:48:25. > :48:27.been detained arbitrarily. I could list all the breaches of human

:48:28. > :48:31.rights and it is essentially going through the European Human Rights

:48:32. > :48:35.Act, and saying everything they have done is wrong. It is shocking, the

:48:36. > :48:40.level of torture to British citizens. A couple of days ago I

:48:41. > :48:44.spoke to the family of somebody who was in a cell with me who is now

:48:45. > :48:49.extremely unwell with TB in hospital. Two days before I was

:48:50. > :48:56.moved to one jail, somebody died from tuberculosis and was in the bed

:48:57. > :49:00.next door. It is regular. You were mistreated, your illnesses were not

:49:01. > :49:04.correctly looked after, there was another British person who died from

:49:05. > :49:09.not being given diabetes treatment in time. They were ignored. It is

:49:10. > :49:13.common practice. Despite what happened to you, do you think

:49:14. > :49:21.overall Dubai is a safe place to do business? No. The Dubai Government

:49:22. > :49:25.says that 20,000 international companies have been attracted there

:49:26. > :49:29.because of its legislative framework and policies. It can't be that bad.

:49:30. > :49:34.I lived in Dubai for six years and I went from the financial centre,

:49:35. > :49:39.which for people who haven't seen it, it is like Canary Wharf. I

:49:40. > :49:43.didn't see Dubai, I didn't see the United Arab Emirates, I had nothing

:49:44. > :49:48.to do with the Dubai courts, Sharia law, any of this. It was like a

:49:49. > :49:51.little England. We had Waitrose, Marks Spencer. You don't realise

:49:52. > :49:56.that you are in a very different country with very different laws and

:49:57. > :50:00.some very vindictive people. As a former managing director, you must

:50:01. > :50:04.have intimate knowledge of Leeds United. Do you still think that GF

:50:05. > :50:09.HR suitable minority partners? Absolutely not. One of the things

:50:10. > :50:18.that need to be done for the benefit of Leeds is that GFH needs to leave.

:50:19. > :50:24.They are hampering the development of the club. Having spoken to

:50:25. > :50:28.Massimo, I know he wants to buy the stadium and GFH are not putting the

:50:29. > :50:32.money up for that. They should be made aware that they are not

:50:33. > :50:34.welcome. The Leeds fans do a good job of that. They are not wanted. It

:50:35. > :50:38.is time to go. Thank you. GFH Capital said Mr Haigh

:50:39. > :50:40.travelled to Dubai of his own free will

:50:41. > :50:43.and was was not lured there. The firm also said the ?3.5 million

:50:44. > :50:46.was not given to Mr Haigh but he illegally channelled

:50:47. > :50:48.the money to bank The authorities in Dubai have yet

:50:49. > :50:52.to comment on these allegations. A Foreign and Commonwealth Office

:50:53. > :50:54.spokesman said embassy staff regularly checked

:50:55. > :50:59.on Mr Haigh's welfare. It's the second day of the fourth

:51:00. > :51:02.junior doctors' strike in England. This 48-hour strike started at 8

:51:03. > :51:04.o'clock yesterday morning It's hit 5,000 operations

:51:05. > :51:09.and procedures which means the total so far during the dispute is nearly

:51:10. > :51:17.25,000 junior doctors, and their union the British

:51:18. > :51:21.Medical Association, are angry about changes to contracts

:51:22. > :51:26.and pay that affect weekend working. But those contracts are to be

:51:27. > :51:28.imposed by the government, The BMA says it has no choice

:51:29. > :51:35.but to fight the plan and is now preparing for the first ever

:51:36. > :51:37.walkouts of emergency care So how did this dispute reach such

:51:38. > :51:41.a critical and bitter stalemate? A final take-it-or-leave it offer

:51:42. > :51:44.was made by the government in February but was rejected

:51:45. > :51:45.by the BMA. The new contracts cut the pay

:51:46. > :51:48.for weekend work while basic challenges being pursued by doctors

:51:49. > :51:55.against the imposition and now a host of organisations

:51:56. > :51:58.is urging both sides to go back We can hear now from two people

:51:59. > :52:02.who've been affected Gill Shaw's mother had her heart

:52:03. > :52:06.operation cancelled and Isabel Barnard, who has a rare

:52:07. > :52:09.liver disease, and had an appointment for a liver

:52:10. > :52:22.biopsy cancelled. Thank you both for joining us. Gill

:52:23. > :52:28.Shaw, your mother's operation was cancelled. What was it for? She

:52:29. > :52:32.needs an operation because one of her archery valves isn't functioning

:52:33. > :52:36.properly and she needed to have it fixed and that was supposed to

:52:37. > :52:42.happen yesterday morning. How urgent did you understand the operation to

:52:43. > :52:47.be? When we spoke to the junior doctor on Saturday when we went to

:52:48. > :52:52.hospital, he said it was an urgent operation, and so did the consultant

:52:53. > :52:56.the previous day. The next day, when the consultant came round for the

:52:57. > :53:01.pre-op visit, he said things are not looking great because of the strike

:53:02. > :53:07.and we may have to cancel. We were incredibly shocked, myself and my

:53:08. > :53:15.siblings and my parents. What about your mother? How did she feel

:53:16. > :53:18.particularly? She is in her 80s. She grew up through the Second World War

:53:19. > :53:22.and she is incredibly stoic about the whole thing. She basically told

:53:23. > :53:27.me not to worry about it and that she would be fine. We are not quite

:53:28. > :53:35.like that. We are more worried than that. How worried are you? I am

:53:36. > :53:45.concerned. She was sent home yesterday evening and she is much

:53:46. > :53:49.improved, but equally, if it is an urgent operation, clearly it needed

:53:50. > :53:53.doing, so why is it not actually done and what impact can that have

:53:54. > :53:59.between now and the next date she gets? How do you feel about the

:54:00. > :54:06.strike that has caused this to happen? Well, it is complicated,

:54:07. > :54:12.isn't it? I can see that there is a debate and there are discussions to

:54:13. > :54:15.reopen, personally. But I also think that doctors should communicate

:54:16. > :54:24.better with patients about why things have been cancelled when they

:54:25. > :54:27.have been marked as urgent. That is where families and patients become

:54:28. > :54:32.distressed and they find it difficult to reconcile the

:54:33. > :54:38.disruption and strike action with their needs. What happens if my mum

:54:39. > :54:44.doesn't make it to the operation? What happens then? Clearly nothing

:54:45. > :54:49.will happen. But it doesn't leave us in a great situation, does it?

:54:50. > :54:54.Isabel, you had a medical appointment cancelled. Tell us more

:54:55. > :54:59.about what that was for? I have quite a rare liver disease and I

:55:00. > :55:02.were supposed to be having a biopsy yesterday. They are trying to work

:55:03. > :55:09.out if I am having an artificial connection to sort this out. I am

:55:10. > :55:14.going to need a liver transplant. There is no cure, it is one in a

:55:15. > :55:17.million sort of thing. I was desperately waiting to have the

:55:18. > :55:22.operation done, get it over with, find out the next step for

:55:23. > :55:26.treatment. Now it has been cancelled and I am stuck waiting to hear more

:55:27. > :55:34.news. How did you feel when you were told it was cancelled? Distressed,

:55:35. > :55:39.annoyed, just definitely distressed and annoyed mostly, wanting to find

:55:40. > :55:43.out when it would be done and why it had been cancelled. It was just an

:55:44. > :55:47.inconvenience, really. I had done preparation to get ready. My parents

:55:48. > :55:53.had taken three days off work, has travelled to London ready for the

:55:54. > :55:56.operation. It has not come at a good time with university assignments and

:55:57. > :56:02.things like that. How do you feel about the fact this has happened

:56:03. > :56:06.because of the strike? It is an inconvenience and a difficult

:56:07. > :56:10.situation, but it is the lack of communication with patients. It is

:56:11. > :56:14.not fair on as with critical condition that we are waiting for

:56:15. > :56:18.procedures and tests and things, but I do understand why they are doing

:56:19. > :56:22.it and I support the strike. In spite of the fact it has caused to

:56:23. > :56:27.inconvenience and concern, you still think the doctors are right to walk

:56:28. > :56:34.out in the way that they have? I very much doubt that the politicians

:56:35. > :56:37.opposing this would be happy to work additional unsociable hours with no

:56:38. > :56:42.extra pay, so I can understand why they are angry. They have spent

:56:43. > :56:46.years in training to support the country only for the Government to

:56:47. > :56:53.cut their pay premiums and things, but then again the nation deserves a

:56:54. > :56:57.seven-day service. The next walk-out will be an all-out walk out so there

:56:58. > :57:04.will be no emergency care either provided by junior doctors. How do

:57:05. > :57:07.you feel about that? I think that will have detrimental effects,

:57:08. > :57:11.especially stopping A You don't know the extent of the conditions of

:57:12. > :57:16.people walking into A They could be life changing. The worst happens

:57:17. > :57:22.in A sometimes. I don't think junior doctors should take that

:57:23. > :57:26.strike but I understand why they have got to do something for

:57:27. > :57:39.themselves. What do you think about the next walk-out, the all-out

:57:40. > :57:44.strike? I agree on the A walk-out. The worst-case scenario has got to

:57:45. > :57:49.be borne in mind. They have to start negotiations again. They have to. In

:57:50. > :57:54.terms of your mother, have you any indication when her operation will

:57:55. > :57:58.go ahead now? The specialists are hoping she might be on the list for

:57:59. > :58:04.next Wednesday, so we have all got everything crossed that it will

:58:05. > :58:07.happen on Wednesday. It depends on whether somebody comes along who is

:58:08. > :58:11.more urgent than my mum and if she gets pushed down the list. We don't

:58:12. > :58:18.know. Until Wednesday comes and it happens, I am not assuming anything.

:58:19. > :58:22.Gill Shaw, Isabel, thank you for joining us. Thank you for your

:58:23. > :58:26.company today. Good to hear your thoughts on all the stories we have

:58:27. > :58:32.been talking about. We will be back at the same time tomorrow. BBC

:58:33. > :58:33.Newsroom Live