12/04/2016

:00:10. > :00:11.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:12. > :00:14.This morning, we bring you rare access to a suburb in Leeds

:00:15. > :00:17.which has become the first place in the UK where it's permitted

:00:18. > :00:27.for women to sell sex between certain hours.

:00:28. > :00:36.Obviously, you don't know what type of manual going to get next. It may

:00:37. > :00:44.look all right, but they be nasty. You take a gamble with yourself, at

:00:45. > :00:46.the end of the day. Life or death, isn't it?

:00:47. > :00:48.But businesses say it's damaging their trade.

:00:49. > :00:49.I don't disagree with any scheme in principle

:00:50. > :00:51.which supports the safeguarding of vulnerable people.

:00:52. > :00:54.Street sex workers are clearly extremely vulnerable people.

:00:55. > :00:57.But I don't agree with the manner in which the council and police have

:00:58. > :01:02.gone about it because it has forced the problem onto us.

:01:03. > :01:07.We'll bring you our full report in the next 15 minutes.

:01:08. > :01:10.Plus our top story today - has an age of greater transparency

:01:11. > :01:13.arrived when it comes to the tax affairs of politicians?

:01:14. > :01:19.Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over the

:01:20. > :01:26.controversy about David Cameron's tax affairs? We will talk to a group

:01:27. > :01:29.of voters after 10am. Do you want to see elected politicians' tax returns

:01:30. > :01:33.published, and what after that? And what's the point of an England

:01:34. > :01:35.and Wales only injunction which prevents the naming

:01:36. > :01:38.of a married celebrity who had a threesome, when you can find

:01:39. > :01:40.that name pretty much anywhere on social media -

:01:41. > :01:48.or in Scotland or the States? The identities have been published

:01:49. > :01:53.in a major publication in America, it has been published in Australia,

:01:54. > :01:59.Canada, New Zealand, probably elsewhere. Scotland, a political

:02:00. > :02:02.blog. In this day and age of social media, I think it is a nonsense, it

:02:03. > :02:10.makes the law look foolish. Welcome to the programme,

:02:11. > :02:13.we're live on BBC Two and the BBC As always, this morning we'll bring

:02:14. > :02:17.you the latest breaking news and developing stories -

:02:18. > :02:20.and we really want you to get in touch on all the stories we're

:02:21. > :02:22.talking about this morning, If you text, you will be charged

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:02:27. > :02:29.got a story you think we should be covering,

:02:30. > :02:31.do send it to us. Some of our best stories come

:02:32. > :02:33.from you, our viewers. Our top story today,

:02:34. > :02:36.Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over

:02:37. > :02:38.the controversy surrounding Sources at Number Ten admit that

:02:39. > :02:42.mistakes were made over the handling of the row -

:02:43. > :02:45.but have criticised the media for misreporting the Prime

:02:46. > :02:48.Minister's tax arrangements. With us now is our political guru

:02:49. > :03:03.Norman Smith in Downing Street. Give us more detail of what they are

:03:04. > :03:08.saying? This will be the first Cabinet meeting since the tax row

:03:09. > :03:12.blew up. Ministers will be arriving here, but already you get a sense of

:03:13. > :03:18.the recriminations about to begin, particularly number ten pointing the

:03:19. > :03:24.finger of blame at the media, who they say misreported Mr Cameron's

:03:25. > :03:28.tax affairs and made an explosive claim that Mr Cameron's father had

:03:29. > :03:34.set up is optional fund to avoid tax. In other words, they think much

:03:35. > :03:38.of the controversy and the headlines were driven by media misreporting.

:03:39. > :03:44.Talking to Tory MPs, many take the view that Downing Street was largely

:03:45. > :03:49.to blame for the whole row, because they took their eye off the ball,

:03:50. > :03:54.because Mr Cameron was too focused on the EU referendum and not looking

:03:55. > :03:59.at domestic issues. That follows rows we have seen over the Budget,

:04:00. > :04:02.Iain Duncan Smith, disability benefits, Sunday trading. What is

:04:03. > :04:09.true is that, despite the rancour that now seems to be directed at

:04:10. > :04:13.sections of the media, it seems very difficult now for Mr Cameron or any

:04:14. > :04:19.other political leader to try to unwind the mounting pressure for

:04:20. > :04:24.greater transparency and, in time, one suspects that pretty much anyone

:04:25. > :04:27.aspiring for public office will have to be prepared to make their

:04:28. > :04:32.financial affairs public. We will ask a group of voters if that is

:04:33. > :04:39.enough for them all if they want more transparency. I just wonder

:04:40. > :04:42.where it goes next, Norman? Most obviously, when ministers coming

:04:43. > :04:47.here this morning, I will ask them, will you publish your tax returns?

:04:48. > :04:51.Individual ministers will be under pressure to say what they will do.

:04:52. > :04:57.OK, there may be no ruling demanding they publish their tax returns, but

:04:58. > :05:02.perhaps some will, some want. Even at local elections it is possible to

:05:03. > :05:06.imagine a situation where some candidates will say, I will publish

:05:07. > :05:11.my tax returns, that puts huge pressure on others to publish

:05:12. > :05:15.theirs. I think we are at a tipping point, there has been a change in

:05:16. > :05:19.levels of accountability and transparency in public life and it

:05:20. > :05:23.will be extraordinarily hard, even a figure like William Hague saying

:05:24. > :05:28.this morning that it is very difficult to try to turn the clock

:05:29. > :05:32.back on this new era, and I expect that in future, pretty much everyone

:05:33. > :05:35.applying for public office will have to be prepared to answer why they

:05:36. > :05:41.will not publish their financial affairs. Thank you, for the moment.

:05:42. > :05:46.As a voter, what else do you want? Or is the publication of a tax

:05:47. > :05:51.return, or a summary of it, enough? What do you want, medical records?

:05:52. > :05:56.Where does it end? We will talk to voters after ten o'clock, you can

:05:57. > :05:58.e-mail us, message as on Facebook, Twitter and the usual. Then Brown

:05:59. > :06:01.has the news summary. MPs are to hold an emergency debate

:06:02. > :06:04.on Britain's steel industry later after Labour warned its future

:06:05. > :06:06.is hanging by a thread. Yesterday Tata announced it had

:06:07. > :06:09.reached a deal with a British investment firm that could save more

:06:10. > :06:11.than four thousand jobs The Government hasn't ruled out

:06:12. > :06:19.co-investing with a private firm to save Tata's Port Talbot site -

:06:20. > :06:27.as Simon Clemison reports. The steel industry

:06:28. > :06:29.is still standing, While the plant at Scunthorpe

:06:30. > :06:33.and other smaller sites have a new owner, a buyer has to be

:06:34. > :06:37.found for Port Talbot. The future of the UK steel industry

:06:38. > :06:41.is now hanging by a thread. If a suitable buyer is not

:06:42. > :06:43.found, there would be In an unusual move, Angela Eagle

:06:44. > :06:47.used Parliamentary rules to try and get an emergency debate

:06:48. > :06:50.at a time when she had the numbers The government says they have been

:06:51. > :06:58.in contact with potential buyers offering help,

:06:59. > :07:00.which could go as far Unions want more detail on exactly

:07:01. > :07:05.what that would mean, It is a world-class company that

:07:06. > :07:11.makes world-class products. Customers want to stay with us,

:07:12. > :07:14.but they want to know If the government can give us that

:07:15. > :07:18.assurance, give a future employer that assurance,

:07:19. > :07:20.then I think the future Tata has been patient

:07:21. > :07:25.in the sell-off so far, but the pressure is on to

:07:26. > :07:32.find a deal. Tougher new guidelines covering

:07:33. > :07:35.cosmetic surgery are being issued by the General Medical Council

:07:36. > :07:37.to improve safety, quality Two for the price of one offers

:07:38. > :07:44.will be banned and clinics won't be They come in the wake of the PIP

:07:45. > :07:49.implant scandal, where nearly 50,000 women in the UK were given

:07:50. > :07:53.substandard breast implants. Here's our health

:07:54. > :07:56.correspondent Dominic Hughes. Victoria Ashton is one of thousands

:07:57. > :08:00.of women in the UK living with the consequences of the PIP

:08:01. > :08:04.breast implant scandal. She was given implants that

:08:05. > :08:07.contained industrial grade silicone and then failed,

:08:08. > :08:10.so she welcomes the new guidelines, There are a lot of cowboys out

:08:11. > :08:17.there, hopefully the new regulations They will have to be really

:08:18. > :08:22.on the ball, they are popping up You just don't know who you're

:08:23. > :08:25.going to be seeing. Fingers crossed it will be good

:08:26. > :08:32.going forward, but time will tell. The new guidelines cover

:08:33. > :08:33.all cosmetics procedures, They include a ban on promotions,

:08:34. > :08:42.patients must be offered a cooling off period and the patient's consent

:08:43. > :08:44.must be obtained by Our new guidelines should reassure

:08:45. > :08:53.people having cosmetic surgery, they need to know that pros and cons

:08:54. > :08:59.and they need to have discussed it with the person who is going

:09:00. > :09:03.to take that procedure. At the moment, any doctor can

:09:04. > :09:06.perform cosmetic surgery In light of the new rules,

:09:07. > :09:11.the College of Surgeons is calling on the government to bring in a law

:09:12. > :09:14.to help patients identify doctors who have had the right training

:09:15. > :09:30.to carry out cosmetic surgery. This programme has been given

:09:31. > :09:34.special access to an area of Leeds which has become the first place in

:09:35. > :09:39.the UK where women are permitted to sell sex between specified hours.

:09:40. > :09:42.Known as the managed approach, it was introduced in an effort

:09:43. > :09:46.Prostitutes can sell their services between seven at night and seven

:09:47. > :09:49.in the morning in a specific area without being stopped by police.

:09:50. > :09:52.We will be getting more on that story later in the programme.

:09:53. > :09:55.Prison inspectors have described one of Britain's oldest jails as rat

:09:56. > :09:58.Inspectors found that many prisoners at London's Wormwood Scrubs jail

:09:59. > :10:03.spent all day, doubled up in dirty and damaged cells.

:10:04. > :10:05.The Chief Inspector of Prisons said conditions at the jail continued

:10:06. > :10:11.A Prison reform group said the jail was a scene of Dickensian squalor.

:10:12. > :10:15.Here's our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw.

:10:16. > :10:20.Has time finally caught up with one of Britain's oldest prisons?

:10:21. > :10:22.Built in the Victorian era, Wormwood Scrubs has had

:10:23. > :10:26.Last year, one prison officer said conditions were so bad

:10:27. > :10:31.The latest inspection report suggests Wormwood

:10:32. > :10:36.Inspectors said their findings were very concerning.

:10:37. > :10:39.They said some prisoners were frightened to leave their cells

:10:40. > :10:43.because of high levels of violence, rats were found in the prison

:10:44. > :10:45.and a rat's nest was found in the grounds.

:10:46. > :10:50.The overall conditions were described as poor with dirty,

:10:51. > :10:53.damaged cells and unscreened toilets.

:10:54. > :10:56.Two cell windows were found to have jagged glass.

:10:57. > :11:07.The cell was used by a prisoner assessed to be at risk

:11:08. > :11:13.David Cameron made prison reform a priority earlier this year.

:11:14. > :11:15.POgogo prisons are not a holiday camp, not really.

:11:16. > :11:17.They are often miserable, painful environments.

:11:18. > :11:20.The Government plans to sell old jails and build new ones

:11:21. > :11:25.instead, but the sale of Wormwood Scrubs has not

:11:26. > :11:29.Prison officials said conditions had improved since the inspection last

:11:30. > :11:34.December, but acknowledged there was a long way to go.

:11:35. > :11:37.Around 7,000 primary and secondary school children in Edinburgh

:11:38. > :11:40.will spend a second day away from the classroom today.

:11:41. > :11:43.It follows the closure of 17 schools because of concerns

:11:44. > :11:48.They were all built or refurbished under a public-private finance

:11:49. > :11:54.Edinburgh City Council says it hopes all pupils will be back in schools

:11:55. > :12:03.The victims of last year's terror attacks in Tunisia will be

:12:04. > :12:08.remembered at a service at Westminster Abbey later on today.

:12:09. > :12:18.It was the worst terror attack on Britain's in over a decade, with 30

:12:19. > :12:21.being killed. It followed a separate attack in the capital June as macro

:12:22. > :12:26.three months earlier. Prince Harry is due to attend the service at

:12:27. > :12:27.Westminster Abbey, along with the victims' families and survivors of

:12:28. > :12:29.the attack. The Duke and Duchess

:12:30. > :12:31.of Cambridge have met the Indian Prime Minister

:12:32. > :12:39.on the third day of The informal meeting with Narendra

:12:40. > :12:44.Modi to face in New Delhi at a former royal residence of the

:12:45. > :12:47.maharajas. The Duke and Duchess are on a seven-day tour of India and

:12:48. > :12:52.neighbouring Bhutan, their first visit to both countries.

:12:53. > :12:55.A judge in the United States has told rock band Led Zeppelin that

:12:56. > :12:57.a jury should decide whether the group stole the opening

:12:58. > :13:04.chords to their 1971 classic Sstairway To Heaven.

:13:05. > :13:07.They released the tune in 1971, but it is alleged that they lifted

:13:08. > :13:10.part of the intro from the song Taurus by the American group

:13:11. > :13:15.Spirit which was released four years earlier.

:13:16. > :13:22.A trial has been scheduled for 10th May.

:13:23. > :13:27.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30am.

:13:28. > :13:30.In the next few minutes we'll bring you rare access to the first place

:13:31. > :13:34.in the UK where women are allowed to sell sex between certain hours.

:13:35. > :13:37.I'd really like you to watch that report and tell us what you think.

:13:38. > :13:46.Is it something you'd like to see introduced where you live?

:13:47. > :13:48.-- something you could see being introduced?

:13:49. > :13:51.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:13:52. > :13:54.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:13:55. > :13:57.Here's some sport now with Olly Foster and a big night

:13:58. > :14:00.There'll be 53,000 at Manchester City's Etihad Stadium tonight.

:14:01. > :14:03.A club record European crowd for their Champions League

:14:04. > :14:07.quarterfinal against Paris Saint Germain.

:14:08. > :14:11.It's the second leg and it's balanced at 2-2 but those two away

:14:12. > :14:19.goals from the game in Paris last week could be crucial for City.

:14:20. > :14:29.It is a team that is prepared to score goals, prepared to play. We

:14:30. > :14:33.have seen that we need to try to draw 0-0, I think we will lose the

:14:34. > :14:39.game, it is not the way we normally play. The same teams that we have

:14:40. > :14:40.seen for the last two and half seasons.

:14:41. > :14:42.Good news for Manchester United and England as their captain

:14:43. > :14:45.Wayne Rooney played for an hour at Old Trafford last night.

:14:46. > :14:47.He's been out for two months, missing a dozen games

:14:48. > :14:51.He turned out for the under 21s and though he had

:14:52. > :14:54.a fairly quiet game, he came through unscathed and may

:14:55. > :14:57.now make his return to the first team in their FA Cup quarter-final

:14:58. > :15:00.replay against West Ham at Upton Park tomorrow.

:15:01. > :15:04.Some important European qualifiers in women's football.

:15:05. > :15:12.Wales have just kicked off in Kazakhstan.

:15:13. > :15:15.-- Wales are playing in Kazakhstan in the next hour or so.

:15:16. > :15:18.England are in Bosnia Herzegovina where a win would take them top

:15:19. > :15:21.of their group they had a bit of a set-back last Friday

:15:22. > :15:22.in Rotherham against Belgium, where their goalkeeper

:15:23. > :15:24.Karen Bardsley had a bit of a shocker.

:15:25. > :15:27.That's how the Belgians took the lead but they got a draw

:15:28. > :15:30.in the end and there's no issue with Bardsley keeping her place

:15:31. > :15:42.Karen has been outstanding for this team. She played in the World Cup

:15:43. > :15:47.twice. She is a superb world-class goalkeeper, but every goalkeeper

:15:48. > :15:50.makes the odd mistake. Karen bailed us out many a time. She will be

:15:51. > :15:53.backfiring again for England. Andy Murray's clay court

:15:54. > :15:55.season starts today. He's at the Monte Carlo Masters

:15:56. > :15:58.and is due on court about lunchtime against the Frenchman

:15:59. > :16:01.Pierre-Hugues Herbert. Murray reached the Australian Open

:16:02. > :16:03.final in January but since becoming a dad a week or so later he hasn't

:16:04. > :16:06.played very much and He helped Great Britain

:16:07. > :16:10.win their first Davis Cup tie of the year but was knocked out

:16:11. > :16:21.early in two Masters tournaments I want to play at that level which

:16:22. > :16:24.will give me an opportunity to go deep in the tournaments and you

:16:25. > :16:28.know, win against the best players which is what I did on the clay last

:16:29. > :16:32.year and I never had done that in my career before so last year gave me a

:16:33. > :16:38.lot of confidence and I'm hoping I can repeat that form this year.

:16:39. > :16:43.That's just about the sport for now. Danny Willett who was the toast at

:16:44. > :16:50.Augusta winning his first major at the weekend. He touches down in

:16:51. > :16:58.Manchester in the next few hours. I wonder how sore his head will be?

:16:59. > :17:05.Thank you for your messages about what you as a voter want to see when

:17:06. > :17:10.it comes to public transparency. This from a viewer, "Anybody who

:17:11. > :17:15.receives a salary, reporters at the BBC should publish their tax

:17:16. > :17:20.returns. This would be truly open and transparent." On Facebook Fred

:17:21. > :17:24.says, "I am getting very annoyed with the one-sidedness of this fuss

:17:25. > :17:29.particularly over David Cameron's tax arrangements, why is it mainly

:17:30. > :17:33.him that's under scrutiny? How about previous Labour leaders and their

:17:34. > :17:39.spouses? The whole thing is being blown out of proportion by a

:17:40. > :17:42.small-minded Jeremy Corbyn who has no political agenda other than to

:17:43. > :17:48.attack the Prime Minister. He is jealous. If I had the money would I

:17:49. > :17:52.try to invest legally and pay no or little tax, of course, I would, who

:17:53. > :17:57.can say they have never had a cash-in-hand job done for them to

:17:58. > :18:02.save a bit of VAT? Who wasn't bought an extra bottle of spirit back from

:18:03. > :18:06.holiday? Most of us are guilty regardless of the amount. Before

:18:07. > :18:10.throwing stones get out of that glasshouse." This text from someone

:18:11. > :18:15.who doesn't leave their name, "When MPs stop getting paid by the public

:18:16. > :18:19.purse, benefit claimants would have to declare everything, why can't

:18:20. > :18:24.MPs?" Bernie says, "Seeing politicians tax returns isn't the

:18:25. > :18:28.answer. Loopholes should be closed and off-shore funds made illegal."

:18:29. > :18:32.We will talk to voters after 10am on this programme. Feed into that

:18:33. > :18:37.conversation from wherever you are in the country.

:18:38. > :18:39.Next this programme goes inside the first district in the UK

:18:40. > :18:42.which allows sex workers to walk the streets without being stopped

:18:43. > :18:46.by police effectively making street prostitution legal.

:18:47. > :18:51.It's in Leeds and it is known as a "managed area".

:18:52. > :18:55.The thinking behind it is this, despite the law which bans actively

:18:56. > :18:57.touting for business in a public place,

:18:58. > :19:00.women and men are always going to walk the streets selling sex.

:19:01. > :19:04.So if that's the case, why not try and offer them some

:19:05. > :19:06.level of protection and make it safer?

:19:07. > :19:12.Under the "street rules", women are free to sell sex and men

:19:13. > :19:17.can buy it between the hours of 7pm and 7am so long as they don't drop

:19:18. > :19:23.Don't use drugs in the area and don't take part in any

:19:24. > :19:26.The scheme has been in place since October.

:19:27. > :19:29.Since then a sex worker has died after being attacked

:19:30. > :19:31.inside the managed area, a man has been charged with murder.

:19:32. > :19:35.We've had unique access to it, spending time with sex workers

:19:36. > :19:38.and charities who support them, though no one who was buying sex

:19:39. > :19:41.This film from our reporter James Longman contains graphic

:19:42. > :19:44.conversations you may not want young children to hear.

:19:45. > :20:16.It is seedy and it is not what you want. I want to be very proud of it,

:20:17. > :20:21.but I'm not proud of the association that it has got of being a red light

:20:22. > :20:26.district. Sex working is a dangerous game

:20:27. > :20:30.anyway. You don't know who you're going to come across. You can get a

:20:31. > :20:37.nice guy one minute and then you can get a guy who is extremely violent

:20:38. > :20:42.the next minute. It was just an awful day. It's one

:20:43. > :20:51.of those things like you, you kind of know that potentially it is going

:20:52. > :20:56.to happen on your patch. You know, you think to yourself, "Is

:20:57. > :20:58.he going to kill you?" It is a dangerous game. It is not worth the

:20:59. > :21:30.risk. In a suburb of Leeds, there is an

:21:31. > :21:34.area which allows sex workers to walk the streets without being

:21:35. > :21:44.arrested. It is called the managed approach, an area controlled by the

:21:45. > :21:45.police and the council. A mixture of migrant and British sex workers and

:21:46. > :22:19.they have to be over 18. If they ask me for a blow job,

:22:20. > :22:37.it will be 30. If they want both, I say to them,

:22:38. > :22:48.if you know your maths, add it up. If they want to come back

:22:49. > :22:53.to my house it is extras. I tell them it is cheaper to go

:22:54. > :22:56.for the hour as I charge 100 quid. On average, how many men

:22:57. > :22:59.would you see in one night? When they get older, and they say,

:23:00. > :23:23."how did my mummy die?". "Oh, she was a prostitute".

:23:24. > :23:25.It is not nice, is it? Can I ask you, what you

:23:26. > :23:27.need the money for? I will give it up one

:23:28. > :23:37.day but I've got a lot I take drugs and they help me

:23:38. > :23:47.cope, to be honest. This part of town seems

:23:48. > :23:56.to be pretty industrial, there are a lot of office

:23:57. > :23:59.buildings and warehouses. It seems quite busy, we are quite

:24:00. > :24:04.close to Leeds city centre. Traditionally, sex workers in this

:24:05. > :24:06.part of town worked The idea is to bring them down

:24:07. > :24:12.from those areas where there are families and children,

:24:13. > :24:17.to make sure they are working in places where businesses

:24:18. > :24:19.are operating during the day, It is just that every time you drive

:24:20. > :24:28.to the end of the road you see They will eye you up.

:24:29. > :24:36.Not particularly offensive. But what is offensive

:24:37. > :24:39.is the debris that's left behind from their nefarious

:24:40. > :24:40.activities, which is used I don't disagree with any scheme

:24:41. > :24:47.in principle which supports the safeguarding of vulnerable

:24:48. > :24:49.people, and street sex workers are clearly

:24:50. > :24:53.extremely vulnerable people. I don't agree with the manner

:24:54. > :24:55.in which the council Because it has forced

:24:56. > :25:06.the problem onto us. Night falls and work begins

:25:07. > :25:14.in the managed area. Obviously you can see

:25:15. > :25:29.there are no houses here. No.

:25:30. > :25:35.I've seen him before. He tries to get it for a fiver

:25:36. > :25:38.or a tenner, and he knows I tell them, you pay

:25:39. > :25:47.for steak you get steak, I was badly beaten and raped

:25:48. > :25:54.when I was pregnant. It happened on the back

:25:55. > :26:06.streets down there. He's serving a 10-year

:26:07. > :26:17.prison sentence. The area that allows Chelsea

:26:18. > :26:19.to work is controversial In a statement, Safer Leeds,

:26:20. > :26:30.which is the police and council You've seen tonight,

:26:31. > :26:54.in a short period of time, actually, because we

:26:55. > :26:56.haven't been out long. Normally over a three hour outreach

:26:57. > :27:01.we might see about 12. Alongside the authorities,

:27:02. > :27:03.charities like Basis work to keep Emily is a case worker and spends

:27:04. > :27:12.many evenings in Holbeck. We drive around the managed area

:27:13. > :27:15.and outside of it as well, actually. To see if there are any women

:27:16. > :27:18.working, we can offer them a hot drink, condoms, some food,

:27:19. > :27:23.gloves, a safety alarm, those kind of things,

:27:24. > :27:26.and just check people are OK and there's nothing

:27:27. > :27:36.they are worried about. We can take reports from women

:27:37. > :27:38.as well, about anything suspicious or anything

:27:39. > :27:39.they feel concerned about. What has been the

:27:40. > :27:41.difference to this area? Firstly, and foremost,

:27:42. > :27:44.the women have a much better Campaigners say the women are more

:27:45. > :27:54.willing to come forward Before the approach was adopted,

:27:55. > :27:58.sex workers reported only 26% After the pilot scheme came

:27:59. > :28:07.into force reports were up to 51%. Well, sex work still happened

:28:08. > :28:11.in this area before we had But it was hidden and we would not

:28:12. > :28:22.necessarily know where people were. Last year one woman was killed

:28:23. > :28:26.inside the managed area. Daria Pionko was 21 and a sex

:28:27. > :28:29.worker from Poland. She was attacked and later

:28:30. > :28:32.died in hospital. She was really funny.

:28:33. > :28:38.A really friendly girl. The police rang me at seven o'clock

:28:39. > :28:41.in the morning to tell me that somebody had died,

:28:42. > :28:45.and I just went cold. We won't forget her.

:28:46. > :28:55.It was an absolute tragedy. A murder like this might

:28:56. > :28:57.tell people that having It is not completely

:28:58. > :29:02.safe, that is right. It's not completely safe

:29:03. > :29:04.but it is definitely safer and what happened,

:29:05. > :29:07.as a result of the managed area, and the trust now between the girls

:29:08. > :29:13.and the police, people were coming forward,

:29:14. > :29:15.like girls were coming forward, Cars continue to circle,

:29:16. > :29:23.free from police interference. We tried to speak to some of the men

:29:24. > :29:26.picking up women but no one Do you need any more

:29:27. > :29:43.condoms or anything? No, I've got loads

:29:44. > :29:47.of condoms, thank you. Me?

:29:48. > :29:53.I did lots of work tonight. You have been gone

:29:54. > :30:01.an hour or something? Yeah, it doesn't take me long

:30:02. > :30:03.to make money, love. Can I ask how many men

:30:04. > :30:06.you met this evening? Do you play by the rules

:30:07. > :30:12.of the managed area? Yeah, I do, but a car just

:30:13. > :30:14.dropped me off down But he dropped me out

:30:15. > :30:22.there because he said he had to go Risky, you can't do it

:30:23. > :30:27.somewhere like that. What would you do if they got

:30:28. > :30:30.rid of it as a result? It would just go back to the same

:30:31. > :30:34.place, the same thing, wouldn't it? Back to Home Office cautions

:30:35. > :30:37.and back to being locked up and you won't get as many girls

:30:38. > :30:42.out as there would be because you don't want prostitution

:30:43. > :30:46.on your record, do you? But it is better like this,

:30:47. > :30:51.because at least you are They are giving you a time

:30:52. > :30:59.and you have got to stick to it. If you go over that time,

:31:00. > :31:02.you've only got yourself to blame. Yeah, but I do put some away

:31:03. > :31:12.for my daughter. How would you feel if she said

:31:13. > :31:15.to you one day, "Mum, It is 7am, the time when the managed

:31:16. > :31:36.area closes for the evening. You can see, there is a lot

:31:37. > :31:39.of litter, empty Coke cans, You can see people arriving back

:31:40. > :31:47.for work in the morning. It is not really an environment they

:31:48. > :31:51.really want to come back to work to. You can see why people who work

:31:52. > :31:54.around here are not Women like Chelsea would

:31:55. > :32:04.still be on the streets, But the impact some feel the managed

:32:05. > :32:12.approach has had on this area's Protection or prosecution,

:32:13. > :32:19.it is a choice Leeds You don't know what type of man

:32:20. > :32:33.you are going to get next. They may look all right,

:32:34. > :32:38.but they could be nasty. You take a gamble with yourself

:32:39. > :33:06.at the end of the day. A couple of comments, Jan e-mails,

:33:07. > :33:10.finally a worthwhile approach and some common sense regarding sex

:33:11. > :33:15.workers in Leeds, well done. The approach should go national, but

:33:16. > :33:18.there is a very long way to go to get to the point that sex workers

:33:19. > :33:22.have equal rights and proper safety in their working environment. Good

:33:23. > :33:26.on you for covering the subject. John says I believe that soliciting

:33:27. > :33:30.in public places should remain banned, as it is not nice for the

:33:31. > :33:34.people who have delivered work in these areas. At the same time, we

:33:35. > :33:37.should work at legalising brothels as long as they are away from public

:33:38. > :33:38.places. If you live in Leeds,

:33:39. > :33:49.tell us how the scheme If you are a sex worker, what did

:33:50. > :33:51.you think? If you live elsewhere in the UK, would you be alarmed if this

:33:52. > :33:54.came up in your local authority? And if you've used sex workers

:33:55. > :33:57.in the past or do now. As a curb crawler, you will not be

:33:58. > :34:04.arrested in a managed area. And if you want to share that film,

:34:05. > :34:18.you can find it on the programme Still to come: We still can't tell

:34:19. > :34:22.you the name of the married celebrity who's taken out

:34:23. > :34:24.an injunction over reports they had an extramarital threesome

:34:25. > :34:27.but as more and more people find out online, why hasn't

:34:28. > :34:35.it been lifted yet? Is the injection pointless? We will

:34:36. > :34:38.discuss that in the next half-hour. -- is the injunction pointless?

:34:39. > :34:41.A commemoration service for the 38 people who were murdered on a beach

:34:42. > :34:43.in Tunisia takes place in London at lunchtime.

:34:44. > :34:47.We speak to three of those who escaped the gunmen that day.

:34:48. > :34:53.Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:34:54. > :34:55.Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over

:34:56. > :34:58.the controversy surrounding David Cameron's tax affairs.

:34:59. > :35:02.Sources at Number Ten admit that mistakes were made over

:35:03. > :35:07.the handling of the row - but have criticised the media

:35:08. > :35:09.for what the sources say was misreporting

:35:10. > :35:16.of the Prime Minister's tax arrangements.

:35:17. > :35:18.Mr Cameron said yesterday his father's reputation had been

:35:19. > :35:27.MPs will hold an emergency debate on Britain's steel industry later,

:35:28. > :35:32.after Labour warned its future was hanging by a thread.

:35:33. > :35:35.Yesterday Tata steel announced it had reached a deal with a British

:35:36. > :35:38.investment firm that could save more than 4,000 jobs in Scunthorpe,

:35:39. > :35:43.The Government said it would consider co-investing

:35:44. > :35:46.with any buyer who comes forward to try to keep

:35:47. > :35:54.New guidelines on cosmetic surgery will come into force in June,

:35:55. > :35:57.to try to put an end to botched and unethical procedures.

:35:58. > :36:01.Doctors will no longer be able to do two for one offers on surgery,

:36:02. > :36:04.and will have to fully explain the risks of the

:36:05. > :36:08.It's aimed at helping patients identify doctors who have had

:36:09. > :36:22.New guidance should reassure the public that cosmetic procedures will

:36:23. > :36:26.be safer in the future, cars they will know the pros and cons and they

:36:27. > :36:32.can be reassured that the person they met and who disgusted with them

:36:33. > :36:34.will undertake the procedure. -- few discussed it with them.

:36:35. > :36:37.This programme has been given special access to an area of Leeds

:36:38. > :36:40.that's become the first place in the UK where women are permitted

:36:41. > :36:44.Known as the managed approach, it was introduced in an effort

:36:45. > :36:48.Prostitutes can sell their services between seven at night and seven

:36:49. > :36:51.in the morning in a specific area without being stopped by police.

:36:52. > :36:57.We'll be getting more on this story later in the programme.

:36:58. > :37:06.Figures just out show inflation is up. The CBI, the rate at which

:37:07. > :37:11.prices are going up, rose 205% last month, up from 0.3% in February. --

:37:12. > :37:13.rose by 0.5% last month. Prison inspectors say one

:37:14. > :37:15.of Britain's oldest, and most notorious, jails has become

:37:16. > :37:17.more unsafe and squalid, with conditions that wouldn't be out

:37:18. > :37:20.of place in a Dickens novel. Inspectors at Wormwood Scrubs

:37:21. > :37:22.in west London called the jail rat-infested and overcrowded,

:37:23. > :37:24.with most prisoners spending less than two hours a day

:37:25. > :37:30.out of their cells. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:37:31. > :37:33.News - more at 10am. Here's some sport now

:37:34. > :37:36.with Olly Foster, and a big night There'll be a record European crowd

:37:37. > :37:40.at Manchester City tonight as they look to reach

:37:41. > :37:43.the Champions League semi-finals. It's 2-2 heading into the second leg

:37:44. > :37:45.of their tie against Wayne Rooney returned to action last

:37:46. > :37:49.night after two months He played for an hour

:37:50. > :37:55.for Manchester United's Under 21s. He could play in the FA Cup

:37:56. > :37:58.against West Ham tomorrow. Andy Murray's clay court

:37:59. > :38:00.season starts today. The world number two is at

:38:01. > :38:03.the Monte Carlo Masters and he's due No doubt you've read the story

:38:04. > :38:15.about that well-known married couple who've taken out an injunction

:38:16. > :38:18.to prevent The Sun on Sunday from publishing a story

:38:19. > :38:20.about the extramarital threesome If you're in England and Wales

:38:21. > :38:25.that's all your supposed to know because the injunction

:38:26. > :38:27.prevents the media from The names have been published

:38:28. > :38:31.legally in the United States and Scotland, a political blog has

:38:32. > :38:34.named them too. Meanwhile the Speaker of the House

:38:35. > :38:37.of Commons has banned MPs at Westminster from revealing

:38:38. > :38:39.the identity of the couple too. Here's what we can tell

:38:40. > :40:07.you about the story. The case has left some arguing that

:40:08. > :40:10.injunctions are now out Let's hear from Charlotte Harris,

:40:11. > :40:13.a partner at the law firm Kingsley Napley -

:40:14. > :40:15.she's represented people who've taken out injunctions

:40:16. > :40:17.against the media and Paul Connew, a former editor of the Sunday

:40:18. > :40:20.Mirror, who's had a number What's the public interest argument

:40:21. > :40:39.for publishing this story? I think the public's right to know

:40:40. > :40:47.the celebrity in question is someone who has given the impression that

:40:48. > :40:53.they were in a happy marital relationship that involved Fidelity,

:40:54. > :40:56.and I think it is a very dangerous situation where the public are not

:40:57. > :41:01.allowed to know, particularly in this day and age when I am sure

:41:02. > :41:05.probably half of your viewers at the very least already know who we are

:41:06. > :41:09.talking about, even if Charlotte and I didn't know, we could take our

:41:10. > :41:15.phones out of our pockets and find out within seconds. It has been

:41:16. > :41:22.published in a major publication in America, it has been published in

:41:23. > :41:27.Australia, Canada, New Zealand... Scotland, a political blog. And in

:41:28. > :41:31.this day and age of social media, I think this is a nonsense, it makes

:41:32. > :41:39.them all look foolish. What is the public interest in public --

:41:40. > :41:44.publishing the story. There is none at all. The Court of Appeal looked

:41:45. > :41:48.at it closely. What we were talking about with monogamy, at some point

:41:49. > :41:54.in 2007 this couple may have made a couple of references to monogamy.

:41:55. > :41:59.Now, in the autonomy of your own relationship with your partner, you

:42:00. > :42:03.may decide privately together after a few years that, actually, you

:42:04. > :42:10.might want to conceptually opened things up, have a different sort of

:42:11. > :42:13.relationship. At what point are you supposed to make a public

:42:14. > :42:17.announcement saying I want to correct this position, I want to go

:42:18. > :42:21.to the Press Association just in case somebody in the future tries to

:42:22. > :42:25.sell a story on says we are hypocritical, even if you had, the

:42:26. > :42:29.newspapers would say you have waived your right to brevity, you have

:42:30. > :42:34.talked about your sex life in public. That is a nonsense. -- waved

:42:35. > :42:40.your right to brevity. Some of our viewers might not be aware of the

:42:41. > :42:42.intricacies of the Appeal Court judgment. The sun on Sunday said we

:42:43. > :42:47.should be able to publish this because it will correct this false

:42:48. > :42:51.image of this happy, committed married couple. The Appeal Court

:42:52. > :42:57.said that loving, committed and married does not necessarily mean

:42:58. > :43:01.another mess. The couple, in the court papers, argued that they are

:43:02. > :43:08.in an open relationship, so there is no public interest in publishing

:43:09. > :43:13.this. Why do you not accept that? And original High Court judge found

:43:14. > :43:18.in favour... But it was overturned. I suspect that whatever might emerge

:43:19. > :43:23.in the House of Commons, I think the supreme court, where I am sure the

:43:24. > :43:33.sun on Sunday will go, may well overturn the Appeal Court.

:43:34. > :43:40.Charlotte, what is the point in an injunction against this in Scotland

:43:41. > :43:46.when you can read this in the US and Scotland? -- an injunction against

:43:47. > :43:53.this in England? Privacy injunctions are very rare now. We are looking at

:43:54. > :43:57.the lesser of two macro evils. If you went and sought out that

:43:58. > :44:00.information, and I know you say that we could look in our pockets if we

:44:01. > :44:05.wanted to, those people can't be bothered. You described it as a

:44:06. > :44:09.major publication in America, I would say it is not, it is not

:44:10. > :44:14.mainstream, even in America where it was published, it was not picked up

:44:15. > :44:19.his people were not interested in it. You could say many things are a

:44:20. > :44:23.nonsense just because they cannot be fully prevented. Whilst people may

:44:24. > :44:28.be able to if they can be bothered to seek out this information look

:44:29. > :44:31.for it, the Daily Mail, the Sun and the other tabloid newspapers have

:44:32. > :44:36.not been allowed to put their own spin on it with a spread with no

:44:37. > :44:42.dead pretty unsympathetic pictures. It has mitigated the damage, and I

:44:43. > :44:48.think that is an important thing and a good result. You sometimes work on

:44:49. > :44:53.behalf of clients who want to bring injunctions to stop the media

:44:54. > :44:57.publishing certain details, usually about their private lives. Why is

:44:58. > :45:00.that considered wise when we saw what happened with Ryan Giggs, at

:45:01. > :45:07.some point you reach a tipping point and everybody publishes it? This has

:45:08. > :45:10.been the first injunction since 2011, they are very rare, and the

:45:11. > :45:18.reason they are so Ryan is because we this debate, you got it draws

:45:19. > :45:22.attention. -- and the reason they are so rare. Doesn't it lead to so

:45:23. > :45:29.much interest that it leads to the celebrities being named? If I had

:45:30. > :45:31.the choice and I was in the position that the claimants have found

:45:32. > :45:37.themselves in, I would still prefer that the publication was limited. I

:45:38. > :45:42.would want to, and this is really important, defend my privacy rights,

:45:43. > :45:47.defend my human rights. Why should I say, if it will be difficult and it

:45:48. > :45:51.will only mitigate my circumstances, I will just throw those rights away?

:45:52. > :45:55.Where will that leave that couple, moving forward? You buy the argument

:45:56. > :46:00.of the right to brevity and protecting the young children?

:46:01. > :46:09.Well, one of the hats I wear is a PR advisor. I would not advice anybody

:46:10. > :46:15.who is a client of mine to take this course of action because it has

:46:16. > :46:22.caused more public interest than it otherwise would have done and is

:46:23. > :46:26.going to make it last longer and it was always going to be ineffectual

:46:27. > :46:29.in the social media age. So the argument of young children being

:46:30. > :46:33.harassed in the short-term or the long-term, it doesn't matter to you?

:46:34. > :46:38.I think that is important, but I think we can be careful that that in

:46:39. > :46:43.itself doesn't become, if you like, a regular weapon used by people

:46:44. > :46:48.seeking injunctions. I don't think, I don't think that protecting the

:46:49. > :46:53.children can take precedence over freedom of speech. OK. Can I sorry,

:46:54. > :46:58.it hasn't. The Court of Appeal looked at this. They said it was

:46:59. > :47:02.trite law to say you could hide behind your children. What they can

:47:03. > :47:06.do and what it is right to do, is to take factors of third parties into

:47:07. > :47:09.account such as children. Again, a matter of autonomy, why shouldn't

:47:10. > :47:12.you be able to choose when you tell your children what sort of

:47:13. > :47:16.relationship you're in. A final thought from both of you. Do you

:47:17. > :47:20.expect the couple to be named openly in the media in England and Wales in

:47:21. > :47:25.the next week or two weeks, a month? I hope not. I don't think so. I

:47:26. > :47:30.think, yes, they will be either because of a different ruling by the

:47:31. > :47:35.courts or that some MP will actually name them in the Commons. And defy

:47:36. > :47:41.the Speaker of the House of Commons who is trying to ban that. Thank you

:47:42. > :47:47.both very much for coming on the programme.

:47:48. > :47:52.Send me an e-mail if you are in the slightest bit bothered about knowing

:47:53. > :47:55.who the couple are or if you have already Googled and found out, you

:47:56. > :48:00.can at: A couple of comments already.

:48:01. > :48:05.Let me look at these, Jemma says, "Who cares what celebrity had a

:48:06. > :48:09.threesome, good on them. Bore off. There is more important news to

:48:10. > :48:12.report on." Paul says, "More people are interested in the story because

:48:13. > :48:17.of the injunction. A waste of time that makes a mockery of the law."

:48:18. > :48:20.Coming up, the RSPCA investigate 400 cases of animal abuse each day,

:48:21. > :48:22.but should they prosecute those cases as well?

:48:23. > :48:24.Some say they aren't impartial enough and the wrong people

:48:25. > :48:35.MPs begin investigating the RSPCA's powers today, we will talk to one of

:48:36. > :48:39.those MPs. A commemoration service will be held

:48:40. > :48:42.later today for the victims of the terrorist attacks

:48:43. > :48:44.in Tunisia last year. 38 people died, most of them

:48:45. > :48:46.British holidaymakers, when a gunman opened fire

:48:47. > :48:48.on a beach in Sousse. As holidaymakers fled

:48:49. > :48:50.for their lives, Tunisian student Seifeddine Rezgui

:48:51. > :48:51.continued his attack entering the hotel complex

:48:52. > :48:53.through the pool area. So-called Islamic State admitted

:48:54. > :49:01.responsibility for the massacre. Ellie Mackin and her friend

:49:02. > :49:04.Debbie Horsfall were on the beach in Sousse that day and will be

:49:05. > :49:06.going to the service Maxine Midgley, who also saw

:49:07. > :49:10.the gunman shooting and killing people indiscriminately,

:49:11. > :49:13.has decided not to attend. She's worried that the terror threat

:49:14. > :49:28.in London is too high to risk her Thank you all very much for coming

:49:29. > :49:33.on the programme. Ellie, how are you feeling about today? A little bit

:49:34. > :49:39.anxious, but I feel, for me, it is a must that we, me and Debbie to

:49:40. > :49:44.attend just, just to show our respect to other families that lost

:49:45. > :49:48.their lives and just for us to take a step forward. What about you

:49:49. > :49:51.Debbie, how are you feeling about today? Very much the same as Ellie,

:49:52. > :49:55.we are here solely to pay our respects to the people that didn't

:49:56. > :50:00.make it. We are lucky enough to have come back and we're lucky enough to

:50:01. > :50:05.be able to be there today. Maxine, thank you for talking to us. Tell us

:50:06. > :50:12.a little bit more about your anxieties concerning today? To be

:50:13. > :50:19.quite truthful I do feel for the families that have lost the

:50:20. > :50:26.families, friends, it is hard, but farce I'm concerned, it is for me

:50:27. > :50:29.own safety. They don't know whether they're going to strike again or

:50:30. > :50:35.when they're going to strike and as far as I'm concerned I don't think

:50:36. > :50:39.anybody can look after our safety, anybody because obviously it

:50:40. > :50:43.happened in Tunisia, there were bereavement there and at the end of

:50:44. > :50:50.the day, I think it is just too, it has been made too public. Is it just

:50:51. > :50:54.the capital of the UK that you worry about or is it big cities generally

:50:55. > :50:59.across Europe? What would you say? I think it is everywhere to be quite

:51:00. > :51:05.truthful. There is Paris, there is Brussels. There has been that much

:51:06. > :51:11.with Isis and everything else, to me they're just, it is either lack of

:51:12. > :51:16.communication or there is not enough intelligence, but it's, it just

:51:17. > :51:23.scares me too much. I'd like to have gone, but I was too scared because

:51:24. > :51:28.they just can't guarantee my safety. You and your partner Richard and

:51:29. > :51:32.your daughter were on the beach when the killings happened and you

:51:33. > :51:37.managed to hide, I think, in a shop for several hours. How has what you

:51:38. > :51:51.experienced that day affected you and your family? It has affected me

:51:52. > :51:56.most, I think. Now, we have all had counselling and Richard seems to be

:51:57. > :52:04.OK, Briton win, we try to keep a lot of things away from brom win, but

:52:05. > :52:10.she is old enough to watch telly and she reads papers and things, but, it

:52:11. > :52:15.is just, you didn't know when they are going to strike next, to me,

:52:16. > :52:23.nobody can guarantee my safety. Debbie and Ellie, can I ask you, of

:52:24. > :52:28.your recollections of that day? Obviously we were on the beach,

:52:29. > :52:35.weren't we? And I just happened to look to the side of me and there he

:52:36. > :52:39.was. I literally just shouted and screamed to everybody where we were

:52:40. > :52:44.sunbathing and just ran as quick as we could. Ran into the hotel and

:52:45. > :52:48.tried to hide, me and Debbie actually got split up so throughout

:52:49. > :52:53.the whole of the duration when he came towards our hotel, we didn't

:52:54. > :52:56.know where each other were and we didn't until later on that

:52:57. > :53:02.afternoon. So we didn't know whether we were alive or not, yeah. And what

:53:03. > :53:07.about you, Debbie? I was lucky enough not to see the gunman. I

:53:08. > :53:14.mean, well, I guess it was lucky that you stood up at the time that

:53:15. > :53:18.you did and for her to shout. I've never moved so fast in my life. I

:53:19. > :53:24.just jumped up, grabbed all my things and ran up to our hotel, but

:53:25. > :53:28.even then, it was still terrifying because you knew that, we knew that

:53:29. > :53:32.he was there. Nobody in the hotel knew what was going on. None of the

:53:33. > :53:38.staff, you know, had any idea what was happening. Did you hear shots?

:53:39. > :53:43.We heard it all, didn't we? I think at that point, I had kind of lost

:53:44. > :53:47.like hearing of everything. It was just a case of just run. Yeah, I

:53:48. > :53:52.think by that time, you can still hear it and you know, now I think,

:53:53. > :53:56.even loud noises and bangs and stuff, we are still very startled

:53:57. > :54:01.and I'm sure other people are experiencing that as well, but when

:54:02. > :54:04.you're, you've never through anything like that before and

:54:05. > :54:07.hopefully never anything like that again, but as soon as you're

:54:08. > :54:12.running, you're not aware of what's going on, you just want to hide and

:54:13. > :54:16.you want to be hiding in the best place possible where all four walls

:54:17. > :54:21.were and that's literally. Even then, I didn't feel safe until

:54:22. > :54:28.afterwards. Until we found out he had been shot. How do you reflect on

:54:29. > :54:33.what you experienced and how does it affect your daily life? I think we

:54:34. > :54:37.both take, I definitely do, take each day as it comes. Some days I

:54:38. > :54:41.have great days and other days I have not so great days and you

:54:42. > :54:46.know... We stop taking things for granted. Absolutely, you appreciate

:54:47. > :54:50.more things on a daily basis that you wouldn't have. Little things you

:54:51. > :54:54.would normally complain about, they are no longer worth complaining

:54:55. > :54:59.about. Yes. Maxine I'm guessing you have good days and you have bad

:55:00. > :55:04.days? Yeah, that's it. I'm very similar to the other two girls and I

:55:05. > :55:10.understand, it is unbelievable, you can't explain sometimes because it

:55:11. > :55:18.is that upsetting and it is like, I try and focus that I'm here to tell

:55:19. > :55:23.the story. It is so difficult. I don't think, nobody will ever get

:55:24. > :55:27.over what happened in Tunisia. We will just manage and find it a

:55:28. > :55:32.little bit easier to keep thinking about it and things like that, but

:55:33. > :55:37.we'll never forget. Never. How old is your daughter now? She is 15.

:55:38. > :55:45.Yes. And do you talk about it? Are you open about it? Do you and your

:55:46. > :55:50.partner keep your thoughts to yourselves? As a family, I always

:55:51. > :55:54.ask her to see if she is OK and things like that, but she has

:55:55. > :56:01.started bottling a few things up when she went back into school and I

:56:02. > :56:09.thought she was getting a bit withdrawn. So I went up to the

:56:10. > :56:14.school and explained things at school because unfortunately they've

:56:15. > :56:19.changed the head of the year and they didn't know the situation what

:56:20. > :56:24.happened in Tunisia. Her dad had to go up to school and put that to them

:56:25. > :56:30.what had happened because it was a new deputy head as well. But then

:56:31. > :56:37.they felt a bit embarrassed because they fetched it up in assembly at

:56:38. > :56:44.school. I said to Bronwny, don't be embarrassed, it wasn't our fault.

:56:45. > :56:49.We're here to tell the story, but unfortunately, there were fatalities

:56:50. > :56:55.and Bronwyn does get quite emotional, but she seems to be,

:56:56. > :56:59.well, we were concerned because to me she was like getting a bit

:57:00. > :57:06.withdrawn and she weren't going out with friends. So we were trying to

:57:07. > :57:13.make activities at home to try and occupy her mind and then she has

:57:14. > :57:18.sleep-overs and things now so she is like and then I had a word with her

:57:19. > :57:22.and asked her if there were any problems and she would just keep

:57:23. > :57:25.saying she just can't believe we were actually on that beach when

:57:26. > :57:30.that shooting and everything happened and she just said, "Why

:57:31. > :57:38.weren't police allowed to shoot him?" I says, "I don't know Bronwyn

:57:39. > :57:43.and she seems to be asking that question a lot. If there were armed

:57:44. > :57:50.police on horses on the beach, why weren't they allowed to shoot him?

:57:51. > :57:55.They had the, those police could have shot him, but and then a

:57:56. > :58:01.soldier had to, who had been in the army, he took the gun, but it like

:58:02. > :58:06.backfired and they couldn't get it to work or he would have been dead,

:58:07. > :58:11.it was just as simple as that, but why weren't they allowed to? I know

:58:12. > :58:13.it is a question I heard other survivors raise before. Thank you

:58:14. > :58:16.for coming on the programme. I appreciate your time. Ellie and

:58:17. > :58:32.Debbie, thank you for coming in. Coming up, our audience of voters

:58:33. > :58:35.have arrived. How much they care about the tax affairs of our

:58:36. > :58:40.politicians, how much they want to know about what politicians earn,

:58:41. > :58:45.and what else they need to know. Do they want medical records? Or are

:58:46. > :58:49.the tax summaries enough and is the media partly to blame as Downing

:58:50. > :58:52.Street suggested this morning. Lots of you getting touch regarding our

:58:53. > :58:57.report on sex workers on that area in Leeds where women can work as sex

:58:58. > :59:00.workers without fear of prosecution as long as they don't break the

:59:01. > :59:04.particular conditions set down. Joseph said, "Sex working is a trade

:59:05. > :59:08.as old as time and making it regulated makes it safer. Offering

:59:09. > :59:14.advice, help and treatment when asked for will reduce disease." ."

:59:15. > :59:19.Georgia, "Tolerated zones are a step in the right direction, as it stands

:59:20. > :59:25.sex workers have no rights and it is such a dangerous area to work in. I

:59:26. > :59:29.believe the ultimate aim would be for full decriminalisation of

:59:30. > :59:33.prostitution and the legal aidsation of brothels which are safer, girls

:59:34. > :59:39.can work together, and have rules such as making men wear condoms and

:59:40. > :59:47.they can have safety buttons installed in the rooms. Regulation

:59:48. > :59:50.would be a good thing such as regular STDI checks." More on that

:59:51. > :59:52.later on in the programme. The news and sport is on the wayment before

:59:53. > :59:56.that, the weather. Here is Alex. of the right to brevity and

:59:57. > :00:06.protecting the young children? Some big contrasts with the weather

:00:07. > :00:10.today, just like yesterday. A cracking sunrise in Worthing, lots

:00:11. > :00:16.of blue skies available, but not all the coasts are enjoying each

:00:17. > :00:20.weather, East Anglia, for example, is grey and damp. It will get

:00:21. > :00:25.brighter through the day, but other areas will stay rather drab thanks

:00:26. > :00:29.to this area of low pressure anchored to the south-west for a

:00:30. > :00:33.time, it is not moving far, meaning the weather is very static. Under

:00:34. > :00:37.this weather front, it will be a grey day. That lies across Northern

:00:38. > :00:41.Ireland, southern Scotland and northern England. It brought the

:00:42. > :00:45.rain to eastern parts of the Midlands this morning and East

:00:46. > :00:50.Anglia, that only slowly petering out here. The rain returning across

:00:51. > :00:53.north-east England, sticking to central and southern Scotland. Some

:00:54. > :00:59.sunshine in the south, but we will see heavy showers from lunchtime. It

:01:00. > :01:02.will be hit and miss but we could see intense downpours. The far

:01:03. > :01:07.north-west of Scotland staying dry and bright, grey and cool in the

:01:08. > :01:11.east coast. There is that zone of wet weather, much dollar and damp

:01:12. > :01:14.across central Scotland compared to yesterday, and the north-west

:01:15. > :01:21.England, it got to 17 degrees in black rule, we will be struggling

:01:22. > :01:25.into single figures. We have intense, heavy showers in the

:01:26. > :01:29.south-west, but hit and miss, not everywhere will catch one, there is

:01:30. > :01:32.a decent chance you might stay dry and hang on to the sunshine,

:01:33. > :01:36.particularly on to the south coast. The showers will fade away this

:01:37. > :01:40.evening but the area of rain sticks across eastern Scotland and

:01:41. > :01:46.north-east England. Six or seven is the low, mist and fog forming in the

:01:47. > :01:50.south. Again, it should tend to disappear. Quite a bit of sunshine

:01:51. > :01:53.across England and Wales tomorrow, Shell is in the south-west becoming

:01:54. > :01:58.more widespread, wet weather persisting across the far north east

:01:59. > :02:02.of England -- showers in the south-west. The temperature is

:02:03. > :02:07.suppressed to six or 7 degrees, but 17 as possible in the sunshine in

:02:08. > :02:11.the south. We keep this low pressure down to the south-west even into

:02:12. > :02:16.Thursday, there is a scrap going on, high pressure to the north, low

:02:17. > :02:20.pressure to the south. The lower in the south is trying to bring milder

:02:21. > :02:25.air, the high further north is trying to bring cold down from the

:02:26. > :02:29.north. It is a bit of a scrap, and we will continue with that for the

:02:30. > :02:36.rest of the week. The warmest weather in the South, there will be

:02:37. > :02:39.heavy showers around, the coolest consist -- conditions persisting

:02:40. > :02:41.across the North. That is it, good afternoon.

:02:42. > :02:42.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

:02:43. > :02:52.We have been bringing you rare access to the first place in the UK

:02:53. > :02:57.where women can sell sex in a public place without being arrested.

:02:58. > :03:00.Obviously you don't know what type of man you're going to get next,

:03:01. > :03:03.and they may look all right but they could be nasty.

:03:04. > :03:07.So you take a gamble with yourself at the end of the day.

:03:08. > :03:16.We will talk to one sex worker who uses the managed area life before

:03:17. > :03:18.11am. to blame for keeping David Cameron's

:03:19. > :03:22.tax affairs in the headlines for the past week -

:03:23. > :03:24.are they right, or do you want to know what elected

:03:25. > :03:26.politicians earn and how We talk to a group

:03:27. > :03:32.of viewers shortly. We'll ask what else they want to

:03:33. > :03:36.know about politicians, if their tax affairs are enough or if they wanted

:03:37. > :03:40.medical records and whatever else. Your views are welcome wherever you

:03:41. > :03:43.are in the country. Should the RSPCA be allowed to

:03:44. > :03:47.prosecute people they say have abused animals? Some say they are

:03:48. > :03:52.not objective enough and the wrong people are sometimes taken to court.

:03:53. > :04:01.MPs begin to investigate the powers of the RSPCA today. We will talk to

:04:02. > :04:02.one of those later. It is three minutes past ten.

:04:03. > :04:05.Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:04:06. > :04:08.Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over

:04:09. > :04:10.the controversy surrounding David Cameron's tax affairs.

:04:11. > :04:13.Sources at Number Ten admit that mistakes were made over

:04:14. > :04:16.the handling of the row - but have criticised the media

:04:17. > :04:18.for what the sources say was misreporting

:04:19. > :04:20.of the Prime Minister's tax arrangements.

:04:21. > :04:22.Mr Cameron said yesterday his father's reputation had been

:04:23. > :04:28.And we'll have more on this in our audience debate

:04:29. > :04:33.MPs will hold an emergency debate on Britain's steel industry later,

:04:34. > :04:36.after Labour warned its future was hanging by a thread.

:04:37. > :04:39.Yesterday Tata steel announced it had reached a deal with a British

:04:40. > :04:41.investment firm that could save more than 4,000 jobs in Scunthorpe,

:04:42. > :04:46.The Government said it would consider co-investing

:04:47. > :04:48.with any buyer who comes forward to try to keep

:04:49. > :04:59.Figures released in the last half hour show inflation is rising.

:05:00. > :05:02.The rate at which prices are going up - the CPI -

:05:03. > :05:15.rose to 0.5% last month, up from 0.3% in February.

:05:16. > :05:19.Most of the increase was down to higher airfares and clothing prices.

:05:20. > :05:22.New guidelines on cosmetic surgery will come into force in June,

:05:23. > :05:24.to try to put an end to botched and unethical procedures.

:05:25. > :05:28.Doctors will no longer be able to do two for one offers on surgery,

:05:29. > :05:30.and will have to fully explain the risks of the

:05:31. > :05:34.It's aimed at helping patients identify doctors who have had

:05:35. > :05:45.New guidance should reassure the public that cosmetic procedures

:05:46. > :05:48.will be safer in the future, because they will know the pros

:05:49. > :05:50.and cons and they can be reassured that the person they met

:05:51. > :05:53.and who disgussed it with them will undertake the procedure.

:05:54. > :05:59.And we'll be putting your queries to a consultant plastic surgeon

:06:00. > :06:02.later on about the new regulations at 11:30 this morning.

:06:03. > :06:05.You can send in your questions to us using the hashtag #bbcaskthis

:06:06. > :06:13.This programme has been given special access to an area of Leeds

:06:14. > :06:16.that's become the first place in the UK where women are permitted

:06:17. > :06:22.Known as the managed approach, it was introduced in an effort

:06:23. > :06:26.Sex workers can sell their services between seven at night and seven

:06:27. > :06:34.in the morning in a specific area without being stopped by police.

:06:35. > :06:36.Prison inspectors say one of Britain's oldest,

:06:37. > :06:39.and most notorious, jails has become more unsafe and squalid,

:06:40. > :06:42.with conditions that wouldn't be out of place in a Dickens novel.

:06:43. > :06:44.Inspectors at Wormwood Scrubs in west London called the jail

:06:45. > :06:46.rat-infested and overcrowded, with most prisoners spending less

:06:47. > :06:48.than two hours a day out of their cells.

:06:49. > :06:56.Inspectors said many inmates were doubled up in dirty and damaged

:06:57. > :07:04.cells. A prison charity has described it as a scene of

:07:05. > :07:10.Dickensian squalor. The founders of led Zeppelin, Robert Plant and Jimmy

:07:11. > :07:11.Page, are facing a copyright battle over the 1971 classic Stairway To

:07:12. > :07:16.Heaven. A judge in the United States has

:07:17. > :07:19.told rock band Led Zeppelin that a jury should decide

:07:20. > :07:22.whether the group stole the opening chords to their 1971

:07:23. > :07:24.classic Stairway To Heaven. They released the tune in 1971,

:07:25. > :07:27.but it is alleged that they lifted part of the intro from the song

:07:28. > :07:30.Taurus by the American group Spirit which was released

:07:31. > :07:31.four years earlier. A trial has been

:07:32. > :07:33.scheduled for 10th May. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:07:34. > :07:44.News - more at 10:30am. Thank you, and thank you to you for

:07:45. > :07:49.sending in contributions to the various stories today.

:07:50. > :07:52.This e-mail is about the sex industry, particularly the managed

:07:53. > :07:56.area in Leeds that we have had unique access to. The sex industry

:07:57. > :08:01.should be highly regulated and sex workers should be protect that.

:08:02. > :08:06.Unfortunately, simply allowing women to walk the streets is not the

:08:07. > :08:09.answer. This offers few safeguards against violent behaviour. Far

:08:10. > :08:14.better to have, for want of a better word, ruffles, where sex workers

:08:15. > :08:18.have a clean, government regulated environment to conduct their trade,

:08:19. > :08:21.where hygiene standards can be forced and balances can be employed

:08:22. > :08:27.to ensure safety. One text said, I am horrified by

:08:28. > :08:30.your film in Leeds, these women need help, not managed areas, if they

:08:31. > :08:34.want to be treated as everybody else and feel that they are workers, that

:08:35. > :08:39.they should also pay tax on their earnings? Tax is very much in the

:08:40. > :08:45.news, we will talk about that more after the sport. There is a big week

:08:46. > :08:47.of European football. There'll be 53,000 at Manchester

:08:48. > :08:49.City's Etihad Stadium tonight, a club record European crowd

:08:50. > :08:51.for their Champions League quarterfinal against

:08:52. > :08:52.Paris Saint Germain. It's the second leg and it's

:08:53. > :08:57.balanced at 2-2 but those two away goals from the game in Paris last

:08:58. > :09:11.week could be crucial for City. It is a team that is prepared to

:09:12. > :09:18.score goals, prepared to play. We need to try to draw 0-0, if we say

:09:19. > :09:24.that, I think we will lose the game. It is not the way we normally play.

:09:25. > :09:27.You will see the same team that you have seen throughout.

:09:28. > :09:30.Good news for Manchester United and England as their captain

:09:31. > :09:32.Wayne Rooney played for an hour at Old Trafford last night.

:09:33. > :09:35.He's been out for two months, missing a dozen games

:09:36. > :09:39.He turned out for the under 21's and though he had a fairly quiet

:09:40. > :09:42.game, he came through unscathed and may now make his return

:09:43. > :09:45.to the first team in their FA Cup quarterfinal replay against West Ham

:09:46. > :09:52.Some important European qualifiers in women's football.

:09:53. > :09:55.Wales are playing in Kazakhstan this morning.

:09:56. > :10:01.England are in Bosnia Herzegovinia, where a win would take them top

:10:02. > :10:05.They had a bit of a set-back last Friday

:10:06. > :10:07.in Rotherham against Belgium, where their goalkeeper

:10:08. > :10:09.Karen Bardsley had a bit of a shocker.

:10:10. > :10:12.That's how the Belgians took the lead but they got a draw

:10:13. > :10:14.in the end and there's no issue with Bardsley keeping

:10:15. > :10:26.Change Karen Bardsley? No chance! She has been outstanding for this

:10:27. > :10:31.team, just remember the World Cup, she has played in it twice, she is a

:10:32. > :10:34.superb, world-class goalkeeper, every goalkeeper makes the odd

:10:35. > :10:39.mistake, she has bailed us out many times, we will give her that one, I

:10:40. > :10:40.am sure on Tuesday she will be backfiring for England.

:10:41. > :10:43.The British Olympic swimming trials are just beginning in Glasgow.

:10:44. > :10:45.World Champions Adam Peaty and James Guy are looking

:10:46. > :10:48.to secure a place in Rio - for both it would be

:10:49. > :10:51.Peaty's championships start this morning in the 100 metre

:10:52. > :10:54.breaststroke, and he says he's already looking to inspire the next

:10:55. > :11:04.I want to get the best out of what I can get and, hopefully in 80th time,

:11:05. > :11:11.I can look at and say, this tends will not be beaten for a long time.

:11:12. > :11:15.-- these times will not be. It is about legacy, I want to see nine and

:11:16. > :11:20.ten-year-old swimmer being ahead when they are my age, British

:11:21. > :11:24.swimming to be as strong as it can be. Go back -- I will be back with

:11:25. > :11:28.the headlines in about 20 minutes. An age of greater transparency has

:11:29. > :11:31.arrived when it comes to the tax That's the former Foreign Secretary

:11:32. > :11:35.William Hague's take on the events of the last week which have

:11:36. > :11:37.culminated in leading politicians including

:11:38. > :11:39.the Prime Minister David Cameron, the Chancellor George Osborne,

:11:40. > :11:40.Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon and Mayor

:11:41. > :11:58.of London Boris Johnson publishing -- but not their actual wealth.

:11:59. > :12:02.Downing Street has accused the media of feeding frenzy and misreporting

:12:03. > :12:25.key details. Here is how it unfolded.

:12:26. > :12:28.I have no shares, no offshore trusts, no offshore funds, nothing

:12:29. > :12:46.like that. Samantha and I had a joint account,

:12:47. > :12:52.we owned 5000 unit in the investment trust, which we sold in January 2000

:12:53. > :12:57.and ten. -- January 20 ten. Well, it has not

:12:58. > :13:01.been a great week. LAUGHTER

:13:02. > :13:05.I know that I should have handled this better, I could have handled

:13:06. > :13:11.this better. I know there are lessons to learn, I will learn them.

:13:12. > :13:29.David Cameron must resign! David Cameron must resign!

:13:30. > :13:34.This is tax planning, where stating career due to behave in a certain

:13:35. > :13:40.way, you follow it and you get a tax benefit. I say, inheritance tax

:13:41. > :13:45.planning, that is planning not avoidance, we need to be careful how

:13:46. > :13:48.we treated. I want to see the papers, I want to see what he has

:13:49. > :13:50.returned as a tax return, we need to know why he put this money overseas

:13:51. > :13:57.in the first place. So this morning we really want

:13:58. > :14:01.to get a snapshot of your views - do you welcome this age

:14:02. > :14:02.of greater transparency? Do you want to know what elected

:14:03. > :14:05.politicians earn, how Does it extend to other people in

:14:06. > :14:12.public life? Should all potential prime ministers

:14:13. > :14:14.and chancellors be expected to publish their tax

:14:15. > :14:16.returns in future? Joining us now, a dozen of you -

:14:17. > :14:30.our viewers - tax expert George Bull Welcome, all. Thank you for joining

:14:31. > :14:34.us. Gary, hello, you are a plumber, you didn't votes last time, are you

:14:35. > :14:40.satisfied with the summaries of the tax returns up the politician so

:14:41. > :14:44.far, do you want more? I would like a bit more, I would just like to see

:14:45. > :14:50.changes, really, in the whole tax thing. I would like to see everyone

:14:51. > :14:56.may be paying a flat rate of tax, say 10%, no matter if you own

:14:57. > :15:03.?200,000 or ?20,000. So you want a major tax reform? Yeah, I think it

:15:04. > :15:06.needs a really big shake-up. Who is satisfied, or who welcomes the

:15:07. > :15:13.summaries of these tax returns being published? I am Rosie Thatcher, I

:15:14. > :15:16.write for the new statesman, I am a Labour voter, I welcome it in this

:15:17. > :15:20.case. I don't think we generally need to know what people pay in tax,

:15:21. > :15:26.I don't necessarily agree with Jeremy Corbyn that journalists

:15:27. > :15:31.should disclose everything. Why? I don't think it is relevant, I think

:15:32. > :15:34.it is relevant the politicians, although it is legal, you can

:15:35. > :15:39.slightly Verdu your taxes. We should be able to follow the money, see

:15:40. > :15:44.where it goes, if it is going to Panama, we should know that. We are

:15:45. > :15:47.all paying taxes, host of the people in this country are happy to

:15:48. > :15:51.contribute but it seems to be one rule for most people, then if you

:15:52. > :15:54.have enough wealth to get into Panama, you can do what you like, I

:15:55. > :16:02.do not think that is fair, until it is cleared up, we should know.

:16:03. > :16:09.You are assuming that everyone who invests in these off-shore places

:16:10. > :16:12.are doing it to cheat and not to pay taxes, but David Cameron and his

:16:13. > :16:17.father have paid all their taxes. They invested in a place where

:16:18. > :16:23.international investors could use it. They would pay their taxes

:16:24. > :16:27.locally rather than in the UK if the investments were in the UK then

:16:28. > :16:31.everyone, wherever they came from would have to pay the tax in the UK

:16:32. > :16:35.and then they would have to pay tax in their own countries of origin so

:16:36. > :16:41.that would mean they pay their taxes twice. In the cas of this particular

:16:42. > :16:45.trust, I understand that people pay their taxes on their dividends. The

:16:46. > :16:48.company does well, the dividends would increase and if the dividends

:16:49. > :16:54.increase there is more tax to the taxpayer. If they make a big capital

:16:55. > :16:59.gains on that investment, you pay your taxes. This is nonsense. Is

:17:00. > :17:03.Julia right? She is more or less right, but the real question picking

:17:04. > :17:12.up from that is where does transparency stop? Yes, I'm George

:17:13. > :17:16.Bull I'm senior tax partner at RSM. I forgot to introduce myself. The

:17:17. > :17:21.key point is coming out. You can't have, I think, a bit of

:17:22. > :17:24.transparency. You either have transparency or you don't so at

:17:25. > :17:29.beginning you were saying, "Hang on, here a list of people who might have

:17:30. > :17:34.to disclose their affairs." If we say, maybe a group of society should

:17:35. > :17:38.disclose their affairs, it is more down to saying, "Why shouldn't

:17:39. > :17:43.everybody?" I am not advocating that, but if we expect a standard of

:17:44. > :17:48.one group of people in a unified society, everybody ought to be

:17:49. > :17:52.adhering to the same standard. Do we expect the same standard from

:17:53. > :17:56.plumbers or journalists, Norman Smith or people who are retired,

:17:57. > :18:03.what do you think, Amanda? I'm Amanda. I work for the local council

:18:04. > :18:08.as a clerk to governing bodies. I'm a floating voter. I don't agree with

:18:09. > :18:15.everything that I've, any of the parties say. Now, as I understand

:18:16. > :18:20.it, the tax burden in places like Panama are very much lower and that

:18:21. > :18:25.is why these, that is why wealthy people move their wealth to these

:18:26. > :18:33.areas and basically... Is that a bad thing? Yes, it is. It is purely to

:18:34. > :18:38.avoid paying taxes at UK rates. Is that right, gorge It is legal, we

:18:39. > :18:45.know that, but if you register a company in Panama and it is based in

:18:46. > :18:48.the Bahamas, it has got to be about reducing your tax burden surely?

:18:49. > :18:51.That's going to be a big factor. You made one point very well which is

:18:52. > :18:56.that international funds might say we want tax to fall out of

:18:57. > :18:59.consideration so that anybody anywhere in the globe can invest and

:19:00. > :19:03.if they do that, they have to account for their own taxes in their

:19:04. > :19:07.own jurisdictions. I think that's where the point is just because you

:19:08. > :19:12.have invested money off-shore, doesn't moon you automatically don't

:19:13. > :19:18.have a liability to declare your tax in the UK and that's where the rub

:19:19. > :19:22.is now. It is much lower. I'm interested in knowing where you want

:19:23. > :19:31.this greater age of transparency to lead to now or if what we have seen

:19:32. > :19:35.over the last few days is enough? George alluded to the fact that

:19:36. > :19:39.there needs to be transparency and I think personally that is very

:19:40. > :19:42.important especially where the Prime Minister is concerned. It is a

:19:43. > :19:46.matter of fact, he was elected to, you know, to carry on that mantle of

:19:47. > :19:50.leadership, to represent all of us and to be accountable for his

:19:51. > :19:56.actions mrps The summary of the tax return is enough for you? Well...

:19:57. > :20:01.What else do you want? For now, I think there should be an independent

:20:02. > :20:07.inquiry to ascertain whether the allegations are true because at the

:20:08. > :20:13.end of the day... It is ridiculous. There were a few tuts around the

:20:14. > :20:18.room. I am a student and I'm a Liberal Democrat. I agree with what

:20:19. > :20:22.Gary was saying, the fact that the lip of the country is believing that

:20:23. > :20:25.even they don't want to pay their full tax bill and all they are

:20:26. > :20:28.trying to do is reduce their tax bill. What Gary was saying, our

:20:29. > :20:33.taxes in this country might be too high, but even the leadership of our

:20:34. > :20:36.country is not going to pay the full bill and I know David Cameron didn't

:20:37. > :20:41.avoid any tax. His bill didn't suffer from it, but it shows a

:20:42. > :20:46.problem. There is a big problem with avoiding tax in this country. It

:20:47. > :20:50.does show. I would agree. I think the focus on David Cameron is

:20:51. > :20:55.needed. Introduce yourself? I'm April. I'm in the process of setting

:20:56. > :20:59.up my own business at the moment and I voted Labour in the last election,

:21:00. > :21:02.but I think that, David Cameron, he is the Prime Minister. He is running

:21:03. > :21:06.our country. He should be setting the example for the rest of us.

:21:07. > :21:10.Norman Smith, is that a realistic expectation that a Prime Minister

:21:11. > :21:15.should have potentially higher moral standards than the rest of us? Well,

:21:16. > :21:19.I think where we are now, it is inconceivable that any party leader

:21:20. > :21:23.in the future could expect not to have to publish their tax returns,

:21:24. > :21:26.the genie is out of the bottle and probably for most people seeking

:21:27. > :21:31.public office now, even though they may have to do it, you can imagine

:21:32. > :21:37.if you're standing to be a local Connellor or local MP, your local

:21:38. > :21:40.paper would say, "Are you going to publish your tax returns?" There is

:21:41. > :21:43.a pressure now where there will be huge demand for people to be

:21:44. > :21:47.transparent and open. The caveat I would sound, I don't have a problem

:21:48. > :21:51.with it, it is great, the more information we have, the better, but

:21:52. > :21:55.I just caution against the idea that somehow we will reach some

:21:56. > :22:02.transparency where everything will be on paper and we can see every dot

:22:03. > :22:07.and comma. I'm going to suggest the better bulwark to ensure we have a

:22:08. > :22:11.transparent and open society is to have a vigorous awkward, difficult

:22:12. > :22:16.media who ask profoundly awkward questions. If you think about the

:22:17. > :22:21.big scandals that have erupted recently, the expenses scandal did

:22:22. > :22:25.not burst into the headlights because sudden by some MP disclosed

:22:26. > :22:30.something, it was because of painstaking journalistic work.

:22:31. > :22:34.Similarly, the Panama scandal did not burst into the public domain

:22:35. > :22:39.because some politician decided they were going to spit it out, again it

:22:40. > :22:43.came through journalistic hard work. It is good, yes we want more

:22:44. > :22:48.transparency, but I don't think there is some Holy Grail that when

:22:49. > :22:51.we get to it, it will give us that transparency and provided we're can

:22:52. > :22:54.have didn't in our media, I think that perhaps is more important in

:22:55. > :22:58.ensuring high levels of transparency. The media is being

:22:59. > :23:01.criticised by Downing Street this morning. Eleanor, you are a

:23:02. > :23:03.Conservative supporter. How much do you think David Cameron's

:23:04. > :23:07.credibility has been damaged in the last week or so if at all? Well, I

:23:08. > :23:11.think with regards to his taxes, he hasn't done anything wrong. He

:23:12. > :23:14.didn't avoid any tax. So... No damage to his credibility at all? I

:23:15. > :23:19.think that the problem with his credibility is the way it was

:23:20. > :23:23.handled. . It is more of a PR disaster than anything to do with

:23:24. > :23:29.his taxes. Sorry to interrupt. I wonder if he is the main asset for,

:23:30. > :23:32.when it comes to the EU referendum vote, the Remain Campaign, is that

:23:33. > :23:36.going to affect the way people vote because of the last week and because

:23:37. > :23:42.of the way he handled it in the last week? I think it might damage

:23:43. > :23:46.because he has seemed uncredible by the way he released five statements

:23:47. > :23:52.each saying something different. It makes him seem slightly untruth

:23:53. > :23:56.worthy. You still trust him? I still trust him because I can see his tax

:23:57. > :23:59.affairs and it must have been hard for him to have his late father

:24:00. > :24:03.criticised over the papers. It is something that no one should have to

:24:04. > :24:07.deal with and it is going to put you on-the-spot and you're not going to

:24:08. > :24:10.know what to do. Ed Miliband's bad got dragged through the papers and

:24:11. > :24:14.Cameron is fine bringing up his mum to tell the Leader of the Opposition

:24:15. > :24:17.to do up his tie, but when it comes to an important issue like a huge

:24:18. > :24:21.amount of capital, no it is a private matter. It is more difficult

:24:22. > :24:24.for the British people because we are told we need to live within our

:24:25. > :24:29.means and there is bad austerity and we see our leadership trying to find

:24:30. > :24:36.ways to avoid their tax bill. He didn't avoid tax, that's the point.

:24:37. > :24:43.He would have paid a higher rate of tax in all his money is in the UK.

:24:44. > :24:45.There is large amounts of wealth that are being kept from people.

:24:46. > :24:51.This is a country in a time of austerity. I understand him wanting

:24:52. > :24:57.to do it in such a way. If you're earning ?150,000 a year, ?200,000 a

:24:58. > :25:05.year, to literaty have nearly 50% of that money gone so to speak, I mean

:25:06. > :25:10.I would be the same. I do agree on some aspects, that you know, when

:25:11. > :25:16.you do have higher tax rates on the top level tax, you are going to get

:25:17. > :25:20.more people trying to avoid that tax, but what would like to see

:25:21. > :25:23.rather than the politicians showing their tax returns is actual action

:25:24. > :25:28.because what we have had, we have had inquiries into Amazon and

:25:29. > :25:31.Starbucks and we have given them a good telling off like you're in

:25:32. > :25:36.school, but nothing has actually happened. What do you think? Well,

:25:37. > :25:42.hi Victoria, I am a student in London and I'm a floating voter. So

:25:43. > :25:49.for me, the purpose of politics is all about serving the public and for

:25:50. > :25:54.me David Cameron does need to unveil even more information. What else do

:25:55. > :25:58.you want to know, his absolute wealth or his medical records or his

:25:59. > :26:01.wife's? The word transparency has been thrown around a lot and David

:26:02. > :26:06.Cameron is the face of British politics. So of all the other MPs in

:26:07. > :26:09.Westminster and actually the financial credibility of this

:26:10. > :26:13.country lies in their hands and it is within my right to understand

:26:14. > :26:17.exactly how off-shore devices are being used to evade tax and that's

:26:18. > :26:24.what I think it is, often, but not always. Avoid or evade. He would

:26:25. > :26:29.say... One is legal and the other is illegal. There are lots of things

:26:30. > :26:37.illegal that I don't think we should encourage. David Cameron talked

:26:38. > :26:43.about Jimmy Carrefour being morally law for investing in an illegal tax

:26:44. > :26:48.vehicle. If you can look at the figures on foodbank use and say...

:26:49. > :26:53.You are using the politics of envy. No I'm not using the politics offen

:26:54. > :26:56.ve. We have high foodbank use and there are people going, "I can

:26:57. > :27:01.afford my first home. I better have a second home. More money for me."

:27:02. > :27:07.You don't think people should have the right to earn? They earn a lot

:27:08. > :27:11.of money. Let Eleanor finish the sentence? They are working so hard

:27:12. > :27:17.they are earning their money I'm not saying other people don't work hard,

:27:18. > :27:23.but you can't say, "All you should be able to afford is a house and

:27:24. > :27:28.food." Enough money... That's not what I'm saying. I'm going to pause

:27:29. > :27:34.there. I'm going to pause there. A cull of comments from you watching,

:27:35. > :27:38.Tony has tweeted this, "Conservative MPs argue about internet slash

:27:39. > :27:43.security surveillance of me. If you are innocent, you are nothing to

:27:44. > :27:47.fear. It is the sail for their tax." Michael says, "Anyone paid public

:27:48. > :27:51.money should have to publish their tax return and sthate their share

:27:52. > :27:55.holdings." Freda says, "I don't agree everybody should declare their

:27:56. > :28:00.tax returns, but our politicians should. They are running our country

:28:01. > :28:08.and creating our laws. We need to ensure they are doing everything

:28:09. > :28:10.above board. Journalists etcetera. ." Thank you for those. Keep them

:28:11. > :28:15.coming in. Still to come, we'll bring

:28:16. > :28:17.you unique access to the part of the UK where women can sell sex

:28:18. > :28:20.in a public place And how does it sit

:28:21. > :28:24.with the local community? We speak to a sex worker later

:28:25. > :28:36.in the hour. We can talk to the mother who let

:28:37. > :28:42.five strangers breastfeed her son while she was in hospital.

:28:43. > :28:45.The mother from Cornwall was rushed to hospital and given morphine

:28:46. > :28:46.for pain following complications with an ovarian cyst.

:28:47. > :28:49.It left her unable to feed her 11-month-old son.

:28:50. > :28:51.When baby Rio refused to take a bottle or cup,

:28:52. > :28:53.his mum posted a plea on Facebook asking for help.

:28:54. > :28:56.Within hours no less than one thousand women volunteered

:28:57. > :28:58.to breastfeed Rio while his mum was on the mend.

:28:59. > :29:06.Hello. How are you? I'm good, thank you. How is Rio? I think he is a bit

:29:07. > :29:11.overwhelmed by everything. He is tired. He is not used to all this,

:29:12. > :29:16.but he is taking it in his stride. Well, he looks bonny and healthy

:29:17. > :29:27.which is something. Tell us about your motivation for your Facebook

:29:28. > :29:33.appeal? A lot of women, sorry... I was on the group for a while and

:29:34. > :29:36.there is women supporting each other and it was at a time when I thought

:29:37. > :29:40.this is my time when I'm going to need those women to support me. I

:29:41. > :29:48.called for them to help really. I'm grateful they did. What about those

:29:49. > :29:51.who think it is strange or odd that complete strangers you have invited

:29:52. > :30:05.into your home effectively to breastfeed your little boy? They are

:30:06. > :30:09.welcome to their opinions on it. I'm not going to shove it down

:30:10. > :30:13.people's throats. Breast-feeding works for my family. Our audience

:30:14. > :30:16.have been seeing pictures of the women who volunteered, there were

:30:17. > :30:22.five. How many did offer themselves so to speak?

:30:23. > :30:29.Thousands of women from across the country, as far as Scotland, but

:30:30. > :30:36.obviously they were too far. In the end, it was five amazing women. And

:30:37. > :30:40.how much did that help you and Rio? It helped immensely, I could not

:30:41. > :30:46.have done it without women at all. It is really down to them that Rio

:30:47. > :30:49.is still happy and healthy now, he could have deteriorated to a state

:30:50. > :30:53.where he would have been an hospital himself, he would have been

:30:54. > :31:03.dehydrated. How are you now? Getting there, I still have bruised hands

:31:04. > :31:13.from the IVs and so on. Thank you for talking to us, all the best to

:31:14. > :31:17.Rio as well. Goodbye! Still to come, and please begin investigating the

:31:18. > :31:21.way the RSPCA handles animal cruelty cases and whether their powers are

:31:22. > :31:25.too great. We will talk to one of the MPs leading Latin Priory. --

:31:26. > :31:29.leading that inquiry. Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom

:31:30. > :31:33.with a summary of today's news. Downing Street has accused the media

:31:34. > :31:36.of fuelling a frenzy over the controversy surrounding

:31:37. > :31:38.David Cameron's tax affairs. Sources at Number Ten admit that

:31:39. > :31:40.mistakes were made over the handling of the row -

:31:41. > :31:42.but have criticised the media for what the sources

:31:43. > :31:44.say was misreporting of the Prime Minister's

:31:45. > :31:46.tax arrangements. Mr Cameron said yesterday his

:31:47. > :31:48.father's reputation had been MPs will hold an emergency debate

:31:49. > :31:55.on Britain's steel industry later, after Labour warned its future

:31:56. > :31:58.was hanging by a thread. Yesterday Tata steel announced it

:31:59. > :32:01.had reached a deal with a British investment firm that could save more

:32:02. > :32:04.than 4,000 jobs in Scunthorpe, The Government said it

:32:05. > :32:10.would consider co-investing with any buyer who comes

:32:11. > :32:12.forward to try to keep Figures released in the last half

:32:13. > :32:19.hour show inflation is rising. The rate at which prices

:32:20. > :32:21.are going up - the CPI - rose to 0.5% last month,

:32:22. > :32:28.up from 0.3% in February. Most of the increase

:32:29. > :32:30.was down to higher airfares New guidelines on cosmetic surgery

:32:31. > :32:37.will come into force in June, to try to put an end to botched

:32:38. > :32:41.and unethical procedures. Doctors will no longer be able to do

:32:42. > :32:44.two for one offers on surgery, and will have to fully explain

:32:45. > :32:47.the risks of the It's aimed at helping patients

:32:48. > :32:53.identify doctors who have had The new guidance should reassure

:32:54. > :32:59.the public that cosmetic procedures will be safer in the future,

:33:00. > :33:02.because they will know the pros and cons and they can be reassured

:33:03. > :33:05.that the person they met and who discussed it with them

:33:06. > :33:11.will undertake the procedure. This programme has been given

:33:12. > :33:14.special access to an area of Leeds that's become the first place

:33:15. > :33:17.in the UK where women are permitted Known as the managed approach,

:33:18. > :33:22.it was introduced in an effort Sex workers can sell their services

:33:23. > :33:28.between seven at night and seven in the morning in a specific area

:33:29. > :33:37.without being stopped by police. The Duke and Duchess

:33:38. > :33:39.of Cambridge have met the Indian Prime Minister

:33:40. > :33:41.on the third day of The informal meeting

:33:42. > :33:44.with Narendra Modi took place in New Delhi in a former royal

:33:45. > :33:47.residence of the Maharajas. The Duke and Duchess

:33:48. > :33:49.are on a seven-day tour of India and neighbouring Bhutan,

:33:50. > :33:55.their first visit to both countries. That's a summary of the latest

:33:56. > :34:09.news, join me for BBC Some breaking news with Ollie

:34:10. > :34:13.Foster. This has just broken in the last few

:34:14. > :34:19.minutes, the England batsmen James Taylor has been forced to retire

:34:20. > :34:24.because of a serious heart condition. The 26-year-old will have

:34:25. > :34:29.an operation in the coming days after scans revealed the condition.

:34:30. > :34:34.He had to pull out of the match last week, they thought he had a virus.

:34:35. > :34:40.He played for the test team in South Africa over the winter, he played

:34:41. > :34:43.five. There has been a lot of reaction. Freddie Flintoff has said

:34:44. > :34:49.he is gutted, James Taylor himself has said, it's fair to say that this

:34:50. > :34:55.has been the toughest week of my life. My world is upside down, he

:34:56. > :34:59.says. But he has put a hashtag life is too short, I will keep batting

:35:00. > :35:06.on. We will have a lot more reaction to this, the Nottinghamshire and

:35:07. > :35:12.England batsmen, at the age of just 26, James Taylor, being forced to

:35:13. > :35:24.retire. A very similar one to the one that Fabrice Muamba suffered

:35:25. > :35:28.from and collapsed on the pitch. He is being forced retire at just 26.

:35:29. > :35:31.We will have a lot more reaction to this on BBC News throughout the rest

:35:32. > :35:33.of the day. MPs begin investigating today

:35:34. > :35:36.the way the RSPCA handles animal abuse cases and whether their powers

:35:37. > :35:38.are too great. The charity has come in for some

:35:39. > :35:40.strong criticism recently over Our reporter Jim Reed,

:35:41. > :35:44.who last year revealed this new investigation,

:35:45. > :35:48.has the details. Half the households

:35:49. > :35:51.in the UK own animals. But the RSPCA alone

:35:52. > :35:58.investigates 150,000 complaints That is more than 400 suspected

:35:59. > :36:07.cases every single day. Now, an influential group of MPs

:36:08. > :36:11.is going to look into the law around animal abuse and whether the right

:36:12. > :36:17.people are being taken to court. In criminal cases this is normally

:36:18. > :36:23.what happens: the police investigate and evidence is passed

:36:24. > :36:25.to an independent body, generally They decide if it is in the public

:36:26. > :36:32.interest to prosecute In animal abuse cases

:36:33. > :36:39.is does not work like that. Instead, it is RSPCA inspectors

:36:40. > :36:41.who investigate, then RSPCA prosecutors who take it

:36:42. > :36:45.through the court system, Critics say the right checks

:36:46. > :36:50.and balances are not in place and that can lead to the wrong

:36:51. > :36:54.people being taken to court. You have to remember it is only

:36:55. > :36:58.in England and Wales where the RSPCA had this power to prosecute and make

:36:59. > :37:00.decisions whether people In Scotland and Northern Ireland

:37:01. > :37:08.they don't have that power. The danger is, their campaigning

:37:09. > :37:10.interest is going to affect The charity's critics say some pet

:37:11. > :37:19.owners have been taken to court when they should have

:37:20. > :37:22.been helped instead. This is Ziggy with her

:37:23. > :37:25.owner Julie last year. Police broke her door down

:37:26. > :37:28.to take her cat on the She was prosecuted by the charity

:37:29. > :37:32.for neglect after refusing After a two-year fight the charges

:37:33. > :37:39.against her were dropped. The cat was returned and went

:37:40. > :37:45.on to live for many more years. And this is Claude,

:37:46. > :37:47.owned by the Byrnes He was put down by the RSPCA

:37:48. > :37:52.and the family taken to court for neglect,

:37:53. > :37:54.before, again, the charges My daughter came across a Facebook

:37:55. > :38:05.page saying things which are not repeatable, about me

:38:06. > :38:13.and the family in general. We aspire and claim to be,

:38:14. > :38:16.and we are, a nation No one would ever want to be

:38:17. > :38:23.associated with animal cruelty. The RSPCA has just gone

:38:24. > :38:25.through an independent review of the way it deals with cases

:38:26. > :38:28.like this, and it has made changes. It won't now prosecute hunting

:38:29. > :38:33.cases, for example. If it is forced to stop

:38:34. > :38:56.its own prosecutions, it would be a huge blow

:38:57. > :38:59.to the charity, and it would also raise serious questions about how

:39:00. > :39:02.we are going to deal with cases of animal abuse in the future

:39:03. > :39:05.and whether the government and ultimately the taxpayer

:39:06. > :39:13.is prepared to pay for it all. Neil Parish is the chairman

:39:14. > :39:15.of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Select Committee

:39:16. > :39:17.which will be examining whether the charity should be

:39:18. > :39:19.allowed to both investigate and prosecute against

:39:20. > :39:30.cases of animal cruelty. Thank you for coming on the

:39:31. > :39:36.programme. What is wrong with the current model? We are taking the

:39:37. > :39:42.2006 Animal Welfare Act and taking evidence from academics, we will

:39:43. > :39:46.take evidence from the RSPCA, the Battersea Dogs Home, the Blue Cross

:39:47. > :39:54.and others, we will have six sessions of investigations. In many

:39:55. > :39:59.cases the RSPCA do shop, in others they have not. It is not just about

:40:00. > :40:06.the PCA, it is looking at Scotland, across the four nations of written.

:40:07. > :40:09.The idea of a select committee is to investigate, take evidence and come

:40:10. > :40:14.forward with strong recommendations for Government. If you are

:40:15. > :40:19.investigating, that implies there is something wrong with the current

:40:20. > :40:23.model? After ten years of the Animal Welfare Act I think it is time to

:40:24. > :40:27.look at it again, it is not just the RSPCA and sites, it is how we deal

:40:28. > :40:33.with animal welfare generally, will look at the treat the top horses and

:40:34. > :40:36.we will look at other aspects of animal welfare in the future -- we

:40:37. > :40:41.will look at the treatment of horses. We are looking at cat as

:40:42. > :40:45.well as dogs, sale on the Internet of puppies coming into the country

:40:46. > :40:49.which are probably been traded across Europe, who do not have their

:40:50. > :40:54.mothers with them or are not being properly socialised, lots of issues.

:40:55. > :40:58.It is not just prosecution. Should we be doing more at stopping white

:40:59. > :41:05.vans coming to the Borders, lots of issues to investigate? The RSPCA is

:41:06. > :41:08.opposed to any plans to relax the ban on fox hunting, there are

:41:09. > :41:16.suggestions from blues... Some quarters that the review has been

:41:17. > :41:20.influenced by the pro-hunting lobby. What do you say? I plead not guilty

:41:21. > :41:27.on that, the issue is looking at the Animal Welfare Act. Most RSPCA

:41:28. > :41:30.inspectors do a great job, occasionally get it wrong, perhaps

:41:31. > :41:35.need other training, I don't know, we might need to look at how they do

:41:36. > :41:40.the enforcement, I am not here to knock the RSPCA, we are looking to

:41:41. > :41:46.see whether we can do it better, is there a more foolproof process? It

:41:47. > :41:51.is not a witch hunt against the RSPCA, I promise you. The

:41:52. > :41:59.organisation points out that their private prosecutions save the

:42:00. > :42:05.Government ?50 million a year. That leads some to believe... That is

:42:06. > :42:10.really useful for the Government, the RSPCA is paying for it? Our role

:42:11. > :42:15.as a select committee is not to spend money or to save it, we will

:42:16. > :42:22.look at the whole piece, if we think the Government should step up to the

:42:23. > :42:27.plate, we will do so. But if it can be done better and made foolproof,

:42:28. > :42:31.let's keep on matter. I am not opening or closing my mind of

:42:32. > :42:35.anything, the whole idea is to take the evidence, we have had 250

:42:36. > :42:42.submissions of written evidence already, huge public interest and we

:42:43. > :42:46.will be very interested with the expert witnesses to come to what I

:42:47. > :42:50.hope will be a good conclusion that we present to Parliament and to

:42:51. > :42:57.Government. Things might not change at all, particularly with the RSPCA.

:42:58. > :43:02.The Green MP Caroline Lucas says they have a prosecution success rate

:43:03. > :43:07.of 98%, compared with a 50% success rate up the Crown Prosecution

:43:08. > :43:11.Service. But it may not, we will be looking at the way the Scottish

:43:12. > :43:17.RSPCA work, they have different systems which, in some cases, have

:43:18. > :43:21.worked better. Can we use all the systems in all the four nations and

:43:22. > :43:25.come up with something slightly better? That is what I am keen to do

:43:26. > :43:29.that. We do not go in with preconceived ideas, the whole aspect

:43:30. > :43:37.of this is to get better animal was there. 90 or 95% of the population

:43:38. > :43:41.treat their animals very well, 5% don't. Some people profit from the

:43:42. > :43:45.sale of puppies who are traumatised because they have been taken away

:43:46. > :43:50.from their mothers too quickly, all these sorts of things I want to iron

:43:51. > :43:55.out. We have better animal welfare, hopefully, by the time we finish

:43:56. > :44:00.this. You would probably expect me to ask if you are planning on

:44:01. > :44:06.publishing your tax returns, or a summary? I will wait for Parliament,

:44:07. > :44:12.when they ask me, I will do it. What if your constituents ask you? I will

:44:13. > :44:16.wait to see the format. I have no money offshore, nothing to hide. A

:44:17. > :44:21.bit like all the problems that David Cameron has had with his family, I

:44:22. > :44:27.was a farmer before I came to Parliament, I have assets I built up

:44:28. > :44:31.through 30 years of farming, I am not 100% convinced why everybody has

:44:32. > :44:35.to troll over every aspect of my background, but I have nothing to

:44:36. > :44:40.hide, if I need to publish them I will, but at this moment I am not

:44:41. > :44:43.offering. Thank you, Neil Parish, Conservative chairman of the

:44:44. > :44:45.environment, food and rule affairs committee.

:44:46. > :44:47.This morning, unique access to a suburb in Leeds which has

:44:48. > :44:50.become the first place in the UK where it's permitted for women

:44:51. > :44:54.The managed approach was introduced six months ago to try

:44:55. > :44:58.Local authorities say it's also made it safer, but a 21-year-old woman

:44:59. > :45:02.from Poland has been killed since the zone was established.

:45:03. > :45:05.A 24-year-old man has been charged with her murder.

:45:06. > :45:08.We've spent a night there to find out how it is working.

:45:09. > :45:16.Here's a short extract from our full film we played you just after 9am.

:45:17. > :45:19.It's a Tuesday night in Leeds and Chelsea,

:45:20. > :45:22.whose name we've changed, is out on the street.

:45:23. > :45:25.She has been a sex worker for five years.

:45:26. > :45:28.I was badly beaten and raped when I was pregnant.

:45:29. > :45:37.It happened on the back street down there.

:45:38. > :45:42.We're in Leeds' managed area, the only official scheme

:45:43. > :45:44.in the country which allows sex workers to walk the streets

:45:45. > :45:52.It's a programme intended to build trust between the authorities

:45:53. > :45:56.and the women who work here and stop attacks like Chelsea's.

:45:57. > :45:59.Since October, between 7am and 7pm, the women can be out looking

:46:00. > :46:01.for customers on a specific network of roads in the Holbeck

:46:02. > :46:11.Women working outside the zone can be arrested.

:46:12. > :46:14.But it has been controversial and a review this month may

:46:15. > :46:19.Business owners like Greg Adams feel they have been ignored.

:46:20. > :46:21.They will eye you up, not particularly offensive,

:46:22. > :46:25.but what is offensive is the debris that's left behind

:46:26. > :46:33.from their activities which is used condoms,

:46:34. > :46:36.Alongside the authorities charities like Basis work

:46:37. > :46:45.We drive around in the managed area and outside of it as well actually

:46:46. > :46:48.to see if there is any women working and we can offer them

:46:49. > :46:52.We arrive at the spot where a Polish sex worker was attacked

:46:53. > :47:00.A murder like this might tell people that having a managed

:47:01. > :47:11.That's right, it's not completely safe, but it is definitely safer.

:47:12. > :47:13.People were coming forward like, girls were coming forward,

:47:14. > :47:24.Can I ask how many men you met this evening?

:47:25. > :47:32.Sp have you played by the rules of the managed area?

:47:33. > :47:35.I do, but a car just dropped me off down there, so I have

:47:36. > :47:39.No because you're meant to be discreet.

:47:40. > :47:42.What would you do if they got rid of it as a result?

:47:43. > :47:46.I would just go back to the same place, the same thing won't it,

:47:47. > :47:49.like back to Home Office cautions and back to being locked up.

:47:50. > :47:55.Women like Chelsea would still be on these streets

:47:56. > :47:58.with or without the permission of the authorities, but the impact

:47:59. > :48:05.some feel the managed approach has had on this area's reputation may

:48:06. > :48:14.Protection or prosecution, it is a choice which Leeds

:48:15. > :48:22.We can talk now live to Jane, it's not her real

:48:23. > :48:25.name, she's also a sex worker in the managed area in Leeds.

:48:26. > :48:27.She's asked us not to reveal her identity.

:48:28. > :48:30.And also to Emily Turner, from Basis, one of the charities

:48:31. > :48:34.We should say that by its very nature this conversation will be

:48:35. > :48:40.frank and sexual and you may not want young children to listen to it.

:48:41. > :48:46.Thank you both for coming on the programme. Jane, what is good for

:48:47. > :48:51.you about working in the managed area? First of all, that area is

:48:52. > :48:55.managed which is the best for me. I mean, we have, you know, a right to

:48:56. > :49:03.be looking for help if we feel in danger. So managed for you, does

:49:04. > :49:08.that mean safe or safer? I mean safer because that kind of job is

:49:09. > :49:13.always, you know, carrying a risk. But because of that area is managed,

:49:14. > :49:19.that risk is lower and lower, you know, every month, every day.

:49:20. > :49:24.You feel safe despite the fact that a young woman was attacked and later

:49:25. > :49:29.died in December? I do. I definitely do. How? How can that be? Well,

:49:30. > :49:36.every woman in this district, you know, we have got a different set of

:49:37. > :49:41.rules and like I said, we can't make it completely safe, but we can make

:49:42. > :49:45.it safer. Like to me, for example, you know, I'm very different from

:49:46. > :49:51.the British woman. I'm not a drug user. I'm not, you know, I don't

:49:52. > :49:57.drink alcohol. So that fact, you know, I have got full control what I

:49:58. > :50:01.have done between 7pm and 7am. Is that without generalising too much,

:50:02. > :50:05.are the foreign sex workers in this managed area, are they like you,

:50:06. > :50:11.they don't drink, they don't take drugs? No. Whereas the British sex

:50:12. > :50:15.workers normally would? Well, not all of them, but I have to say a

:50:16. > :50:21.really high percentage. I mean it doesn't matter that person taking

:50:22. > :50:25.drugs or not, they have to be treated with respect and that stigma

:50:26. > :50:30.which is, you know, linked with that work should be taken off because a

:50:31. > :50:35.stigma is, you know, is just a first step to being violent. Right. To the

:50:36. > :50:41.sex workers. Emily, is this an area that's managed or safe in name only?

:50:42. > :50:47.Not at all. It's an entire managed approach and that means it is not

:50:48. > :50:52.just an area that has been decided where sex workers will be, it has a

:50:53. > :50:55.prostitution liaison officer who built really good trust with the

:50:56. > :50:59.women. There is Leeds Watch vehicles in place. Yet a woman was killed?

:51:00. > :51:04.Yes, that's right, but what happened, you know, it is a risk in

:51:05. > :51:07.all areas of the country and we are all aware of that, but we have to do

:51:08. > :51:13.something to make it different to make it as safe as we possibly can.

:51:14. > :51:18.And so this approach really goes towards that.

:51:19. > :51:21.OK. Tell me Jane about some of your clients, some of the men who come to

:51:22. > :51:26.you for sex. What sort of backgrounds, what sort of people?

:51:27. > :51:32.Well, some of the people they like to think people buying sex on the

:51:33. > :51:36.street, they are scruffy and really dirty and really flity, in reality,

:51:37. > :51:38.you will be surprised how many different people from different

:51:39. > :51:44.backgrounds are buying sex on the street. I can just... What sort of

:51:45. > :51:47.jobs do they do? Well, I can just talk about me. It is really, really

:51:48. > :51:51.different. From just, you know, people who is working in the

:51:52. > :51:56.supermarkets to the people who are really wealthy. The point is, it is

:51:57. > :52:00.a really diverse group of people. Both the buyers and the sellers of

:52:01. > :52:05.sex. It is completely diverse. But everybody still has the same right

:52:06. > :52:09.to safety, protection from the police as everybody else. These

:52:10. > :52:14.people have rights just like everyone. Well, now, the managed

:52:15. > :52:17.area, I can suggest to you that kerb crawlers have rights effectively

:52:18. > :52:23.because they won't be arrested in this safe area? Absolutely, as long

:52:24. > :52:27.as ter not committing any crime... Is it good news for pimps as well

:52:28. > :52:31.then? Pimps don't really exist, but the fact that we have a managed area

:52:32. > :52:35.means that that, the police can really take control. They know where

:52:36. > :52:39.everyone is. They know, they have built relationships with people so

:52:40. > :52:42.they are much more likely to be able to tackle really important crimes

:52:43. > :52:46.like exploitation or trafficking or anything like that. So the managed

:52:47. > :52:51.area goes towards reducing crimes that are really awful like that.

:52:52. > :52:55.Jane, do you feel more comfortable in this managed area, con dabgting

:52:56. > :52:59.the police if you saw -- contacting the police if you saw anti-social

:53:00. > :53:04.behaviour or a bloke that was suspicious in some way? Well, I

:53:05. > :53:08.think I do. I mean, it has been started last summer and it has been

:53:09. > :53:14.a quiet agreement between us and the police. I mean we are more likely to

:53:15. > :53:17.report any crimes, any anti-social behaviours, any, you know, human

:53:18. > :53:22.trafficking because we are already down there and we see that. So it is

:53:23. > :53:25.easier for us... And more likely because presumably you know you're

:53:26. > :53:30.not going to get arrested as well? Yes. This is why. We need to get rid

:53:31. > :53:35.of the stigma attached to this subject so that we can actually

:53:36. > :53:38.really make people safe and it isn't a perfect scheme, but it certainly

:53:39. > :53:47.goes towards doing that. Do you mind me asking, Jane, how much you earn

:53:48. > :53:54.approximately each year? Well, it is between ?60,000 and ?80,000 ?60,000

:53:55. > :53:59.and ?80,000 a year? Yes. A lot of people are Polish girls are run by

:54:00. > :54:02.the gangsters, all I have to say, it is just a situation because most of

:54:03. > :54:08.the women from abroad who are working on the street, they just do

:54:09. > :54:12.the same like I do. They are supporting their families, you know,

:54:13. > :54:18.they just make, you know, their kids living really good in Britain. There

:54:19. > :54:21.will be people watching who hear you talking about earning between

:54:22. > :54:25.?60,000 and ?80,000 a year who will be thinking tax is a big issue at

:54:26. > :54:29.the moment, why not pay tax on that? Well, if it is going to be legal, it

:54:30. > :54:35.will be highly likely a lot of women would like to pay taxes. If

:54:36. > :54:39.prostitution was legalised you say, of course, you would be happy to pay

:54:40. > :54:46.taxes? Yes, a lot of the people, a lot of the women already pay taxes

:54:47. > :54:50.like I said like entertainments and the stuff like that. Most of them,

:54:51. > :54:56.they are self-employed. Emily, what were you going to say? Just what

:54:57. > :54:59.Jane said. So spot on. Let me read some comments from people listening

:55:00. > :55:04.to you and watching you around the country. Christine says,

:55:05. > :55:11."Decriminalisation of prostitution is well overdue in the UK. I commend

:55:12. > :55:14.Leeds City Council and the police for taking this approach. As Chelsea

:55:15. > :55:19.stated in your film today, there is always the risk of danger. The death

:55:20. > :55:23.of a young sex worker was a tragedy, but I believe there will be more

:55:24. > :55:28.violence and higher risk to women if Leeds hadn't adopted the managed

:55:29. > :55:30.approach." She just mentioned women being vulnerable. There are women

:55:31. > :55:33.that are vulnerable, but it is really important to say that not all

:55:34. > :55:40.the women are vulnerable. The point is that everybody is entitled to

:55:41. > :55:43.safety. We definitely want to move towards a complete decriminalisation

:55:44. > :55:49.so we can tackle real crime. Why is it important to say that some of the

:55:50. > :55:53.women aren't run vable? It is a really diverse group and Jane is not

:55:54. > :55:58.vulnerable. It is just a mixture and we have to recognise that rather

:55:59. > :56:03.than painting a picture of vulnerable women. Louise on

:56:04. > :56:08.Facebook, "Instead of legalising this, they would be better putting

:56:09. > :56:12.money into offer people like yourself Jane, a way out of it."

:56:13. > :56:15.What do you think about that? Well, I think it is everyone's personal

:56:16. > :56:23.decision. So you want to do this kind of work? It is not like you

:56:24. > :56:28.want to or you have to. At the moment I have to do this, but I

:56:29. > :56:32.can't predict I will do this in the next week the next month or the next

:56:33. > :56:36.year. If Leeds City Council could help you find other work, that would

:56:37. > :56:40.be a better use of their resource and their time, but you are saying

:56:41. > :56:44.at the moment this is fine for you? Yes, we didn't talk only about me,

:56:45. > :56:48.we talk about the rest of the women who is already working so like I

:56:49. > :56:54.said, it is all, you know, personal decision. Right. In my opinion

:56:55. > :57:00.everyone should respect us. Everyone else, life choices. I would like to

:57:01. > :57:03.say, at Basis we work with people who really choose, you know, saying

:57:04. > :57:08.they want to make positive changes or move out of sex work, but we also

:57:09. > :57:12.recognise that women choose sex work and the most important thing is to

:57:13. > :57:19.keep them safe and to look after their sexual health. Does your mum

:57:20. > :57:25.is back in Poland... Your mum? Sorry. I don't want to answer that

:57:26. > :57:30.question. We would like to talk about the managed area. I am

:57:31. > :57:35.wondering if your mum knows what you do? My mum knows. What does she

:57:36. > :57:41.think? It is too personal. Fair enough. How many women work in this

:57:42. > :57:45.managed area then? Not that many. It is a broad mixture. There are a lot

:57:46. > :57:48.of migrant women working in the area and that's a picture across the

:57:49. > :57:55.entire country, that's not something that just Leeds is seeing. Probably

:57:56. > :57:58.around 40 women, but on any one night, usually between ten and 12

:57:59. > :58:33.women would be out working, something like that.

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