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:00:07. > :00:08.Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

:00:09. > :00:15.Our top story today - the Government says leaving

:00:16. > :00:19.the European Union will cost your household around ?4,300 a year.

:00:20. > :00:22.We'll scrutinise those figures and we'll hear

:00:23. > :00:27.from the Chancellor George Osborne after 10 this morning.

:00:28. > :00:30.Also on the programme - a mother of five tells us how

:00:31. > :00:34.she battled to get her baby son back, after he was forcibly taken

:00:35. > :00:40.I didn't really believe that they were going to take him,

:00:41. > :00:44.I didn't really believe that in this country a baby could be removed

:00:45. > :00:47.from its mother on a future risk, when the mother hadn't done anything

:00:48. > :00:56.So the midwife came round to the bed, and I smiled at the midwife

:00:57. > :01:00.and handed my baby to the midwife, and then I've never see

:01:01. > :01:05.She went out of the door and the last thing I saw

:01:06. > :01:11.was this fluffy little head going out the door.

:01:12. > :01:13.Here the full interview in the next few minutes.

:01:14. > :01:23.And - the Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk tells us why he falsely claimed

:01:24. > :01:35.-- for Parliamentary expenses he's routinely living

:01:36. > :01:37.-- for Parliamentary expenses he's been ordered to pay back.

:01:38. > :01:40.We're live until 11 every weekday morning.

:01:41. > :01:42.A little later in the programme we'll bring

:01:43. > :01:44.you the latest on the celebrity injunction case - judges

:01:45. > :01:47.could overturn the ban naming the celebrity at the centre

:01:48. > :01:50.We'll talk to one judge who's granted several injunctions

:01:51. > :01:56.If you're getting in touch use the hashtag Victoria Live

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:02:03. > :02:06.Some of our best stories come from you, our viewers.

:02:07. > :02:08.Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:02:09. > :02:12.Good morning. Good morning, Victoria.

:02:13. > :02:17.Leaving the EU could cost every UK household ?4,300

:02:18. > :02:19.a year by 2030 - according to a report

:02:20. > :02:23.A 200-page document published by the Chancellor,

:02:24. > :02:26.argues that the British economy would shrink by 6%

:02:27. > :02:29.because trade barriers would be higher, hitting exports.

:02:30. > :02:31.It also claims that investment would be lower

:02:32. > :02:37.But Vote Leave - the group campaigning for a vote

:02:38. > :02:39.to leave the EU in June - dismissed the document,

:02:40. > :02:42.saying it's just another "erroneous pro-EU economic assessment

:02:43. > :02:54.Mr Osborne denies the warning is part of the warning of so-called

:02:55. > :02:58.project fear. The Treasury analysis is supported by the analysis of

:02:59. > :03:03.respected independent organisations like the London School of economic.

:03:04. > :03:07.It is supported by economic arguments made from people in the

:03:08. > :03:12.International monetary fund, the OECD, big international businesses

:03:13. > :03:15.and small firms as well. There is a consensus opinion Britain would be

:03:16. > :03:16.poorer and worse off outside the European Union.

:03:17. > :03:18.Rescue teams in Ecuador have spent the night searching

:03:19. > :03:20.through the debris of collapsed buildings, trying to find survivors

:03:21. > :03:31.The country's president - who has cut short a visit to Rome -

:03:32. > :03:34.says that 272 people are now known to have died, but he fears

:03:35. > :03:37.Two 14-year-olds charged with murdering a woman

:03:38. > :03:40.and her teenage daughter are due to appear in court.

:03:41. > :03:45.The victims, named by police as 49-year-old

:03:46. > :03:47.Elizabeth Edwards and her 13-year old daughter Katie,

:03:48. > :03:50.were found at a property in Lincolnshire on Friday.

:03:51. > :03:52.Reports of a drone hitting a British Airways aircraft landing

:03:53. > :03:54.at Heathrow are being investigated by police.

:03:55. > :03:57.The flight from Geneva was struck as it approached the airport

:03:58. > :04:02.with 132 passengers and five crew on board.

:04:03. > :04:09.It's believed to be the first incident of its kind in the UK.

:04:10. > :04:13.A mother of five children has told this programme about her agony -

:04:14. > :04:18.after her newborn son was taken from her and put into care.

:04:19. > :04:20.The woman - we're calling her Annie -

:04:21. > :04:23.has had her five kids taken from her, but successfully fought

:04:24. > :04:29.Annie suffers from a history of mental health problems -

:04:30. > :04:33.we'll hear more from her in just a minute.

:04:34. > :04:35.Children from poorer households are losing out in the competition

:04:36. > :04:37.for places at the best primary schools in England,

:04:38. > :04:45.according to research by Teach First.

:04:46. > :04:46.The education charity, which helps provide teachers

:04:47. > :04:48.in low-income communities, says a bias against less

:04:49. > :04:50.well-off children is unfair and a waste of talent.

:04:51. > :04:53.Families across England will learn today where their children

:04:54. > :05:03.Brazil's lower house of Congress has voted for the impeachment

:05:04. > :05:05.of the country's president, Dilma Rousseff, to go ahead.

:05:06. > :05:07.She denies manipulating government accounts and says plans

:05:08. > :05:11.The impeachment battle has paralysed the activity of government,

:05:12. > :05:14.just four months before the country is due to host the Olympics

:05:15. > :05:21.In Australia, dog smuggling charges against Johnny Depp's wife

:05:22. > :05:24.Amber Heard have been dropped, after she admitted lying

:05:25. > :05:30.The 29 year old pleaded guilty to making a false statement

:05:31. > :05:35.to immigration about the couple's Yorkshire terriers Pistol and Boo.

:05:36. > :05:38.She brought the dogs to Queensland in a private jet while her husband

:05:39. > :05:45.The couple has released a short statement, apologising for breaking

:05:46. > :05:48.Australia is free of many pests and diseases that

:05:49. > :05:53.That is why Australia has to have such strong bio-security

:05:54. > :06:00.And Australians are just as unique - both warm and direct.

:06:01. > :06:01.When you disrespect Australian law, they

:06:02. > :06:07.I am truly sorry that Pistol and Boo were

:06:08. > :06:16.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:06:17. > :06:22.In a minute we'll bring you a moving interview with a mum of 5

:06:23. > :06:25.who tells us how she fought to get her youngest child out

:06:26. > :06:27.of care after he was forcibly removed from her just days

:06:28. > :06:34.If you've been through a similar experience

:06:35. > :06:38.or you're a social worker - we'd really like to hear your

:06:39. > :06:41.thoughts on this story - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:06:42. > :06:44.and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:06:45. > :06:47.Jessica has the sport and quite a bit of fallout from Leicester's

:06:48. > :06:58.Yes, exactly. There is a lot going on at the top of the Premier League

:06:59. > :07:01.at the moment, exciting times. Emotions are high and West Ham

:07:02. > :07:05.striker Andy Carroll has accused the referee in the game with Lester of

:07:06. > :07:08.trying to even things up. Official Jonathan Moss awarded Leicester

:07:09. > :07:13.penalty in the dying minutes, which rescued them a point in the 2-2

:07:14. > :07:18.draw. And its players have criticised job some of his decisions

:07:19. > :07:24.in the match. Lester's Jamie Vardy was sent off after getting two

:07:25. > :07:28.yellow cards. The second after this, which the referee said was diving.

:07:29. > :07:32.And then in this minute of injury time Jonathan Moss pointed to the

:07:33. > :07:37.penalty spot for this, Andy Carroll believed to have brought down the

:07:38. > :07:41.Leicester City player. There was a shock in the old firm derby at

:07:42. > :07:46.Rangers beat Celtic on penalties to reach the Scottish cup final. It was

:07:47. > :07:50.2-2 after extra time. But this misses the Celtics or Rangers

:07:51. > :07:54.through to next month's final with Hibernian. That is all the sport for

:07:55. > :07:57.now. Thank you. More later.

:07:58. > :08:00.This morning - a mum of five whose children had been taken into care -

:08:01. > :08:03.tells us how she fought to regain custody of her youngest son

:08:04. > :08:14.who was forcibly removed from her days after being born.

:08:15. > :08:17.The woman - who we're calling Annie -

:08:18. > :08:19.describes the agony of saying goodbye to her new-born

:08:20. > :08:22.and tells us she instinctively let out an

:08:23. > :08:24."animalistic howl, just a primal noise";

:08:25. > :08:26.she was so frightened she didn't even realise the noise

:08:27. > :08:32."Annie" has a history of severe mental health problems.

:08:33. > :08:35.We can't reveal her real name or anything which might lead

:08:36. > :08:38.to the identification of her children because of a reporting

:08:39. > :08:41.This is her story - it's detailed, and I really want

:08:42. > :08:44.you to stick with it, because it's a rare insight

:08:45. > :08:48.into what happens when children are taken into care.

:08:49. > :08:50.I think it's very different, depending on the manner

:08:51. > :08:55.When I've asked for the children to be taken into care,

:08:56. > :09:01.the feeling has been one of massive guilt, overwhelming guilt,

:09:02. > :09:07.but also the knowledge that it needed to happen,

:09:08. > :09:10.that I wasn't capable, at that time, of providing the right level

:09:11. > :09:15.But you can't help but feel guilty, you need the help,

:09:16. > :09:25.When a child is forcibly taken into care, the feeling is not guilt,

:09:26. > :09:32.There's no way round it, the state is removing your child,

:09:33. > :09:41.That is a feeling of helplessness, you feel very vulnerable

:09:42. > :09:44.as a parent, and frightened, I think terrified is the easier

:09:45. > :09:52.Partly because you don't know if they're going to come back

:09:53. > :09:57.When you put your children into care, there's always

:09:58. > :10:00.the thought that you can do some work, you can try and right

:10:01. > :10:02.the wrongs that have meant the children have

:10:03. > :10:11.The story has already started to be written,

:10:12. > :10:14.and if the child is a baby, you know that that child may

:10:15. > :10:16.never come back to you, that child may be adopted.

:10:17. > :10:21.And you don't know what the future holds for your family.

:10:22. > :10:24.And when you have been reunited with some of your children

:10:25. > :10:27.after they have been taken into care, what's that like?

:10:28. > :10:33.It's lovely, it's wonderful, it's great.

:10:34. > :10:37.But it's also very scary, because your children

:10:38. > :10:46.have lost trust in you, because you have put them in a house

:10:47. > :10:48.with strangers through no fault of their own, they haven't done

:10:49. > :10:51.anything to warrant, to deserve being there.

:10:52. > :10:54.So they have to build up their trust in you again.

:10:55. > :10:58.And you also have to demonstrate that the reason that they went

:10:59. > :11:01.into care won't happen again to the local authority.

:11:02. > :11:05.And when you have said goodbye to them, how have...

:11:06. > :11:17.You have to make it OK for them, you have to show them

:11:18. > :11:19.that you are all right, they have permission to be

:11:20. > :11:23.happy there, they have permission to smile,

:11:24. > :11:27.and it's OK, and this is the right thing, even if it feels -

:11:28. > :11:29.and it does feel - like it's the wrong

:11:30. > :11:31.thing and your insides are screaming for your children.

:11:32. > :11:35.If you know that you aren't capable of parenting them at that time,

:11:36. > :11:38.you have to make it OK for them to be there.

:11:39. > :11:46.There's no easy way of doing it, you just have to do it.

:11:47. > :11:49.You can't think too much, because you would never leave.

:11:50. > :11:54.What were the circumstances surrounding your last pregnancy?

:11:55. > :12:01.I fell pregnant during a set of care proceedings in respect of my elder

:12:02. > :12:04.children, and a lot of people will ask if I had enduring

:12:05. > :12:06.mental-health problems, and I already had children

:12:07. > :12:08.within the care system, why did I get pregnant again?

:12:09. > :12:16.And it's a fair question, and it's a difficult one to answer.

:12:17. > :12:18.I think that I, historically, was searching for a family

:12:19. > :12:24.and desperate to have what I didn't have when I was a child.

:12:25. > :12:29.And I'm not sure why I kept having children,

:12:30. > :12:33.other than trying to get it right that time.

:12:34. > :12:36.I think I was trying to replicate what I had and what I'd lost

:12:37. > :12:41.It wasn't a conscious choice to get pregnant,

:12:42. > :12:51.And I wrestled with an abortion, because I knew that the local

:12:52. > :12:54.authority could try and take my baby away when he was born.

:12:55. > :13:00.So I was booked in to have a termination, and it came

:13:01. > :13:08.to a few days beforehand, and I couldn't do it,

:13:09. > :13:11.because I was fighting for the other children in the care proceedings,

:13:12. > :13:14.and I felt that I had to fight for this child too.

:13:15. > :13:17.But I went through that pregnancy knowing that they may

:13:18. > :13:21.When you're preparing to give birth, and that is the backdrop,

:13:22. > :13:26.knowing that as soon as you give birth, the child may

:13:27. > :13:28.be removed from you, because of what happened

:13:29. > :13:32.with your other children, because the local authority

:13:33. > :13:35.have placed them into care on other occasions, how do you get

:13:36. > :13:42.It was about a month before my child was due that I knew the local

:13:43. > :13:46.authority's plans were to take him into care when he was born.

:13:47. > :13:49.And after that meeting, it was a case of just waiting

:13:50. > :13:55.It felt like you were waiting for the end, knowing

:13:56. > :14:01.that the first contraction, when your waters break,

:14:02. > :14:04.that sparks the end, you may not see this child grow up.

:14:05. > :14:07.So I took videos of my bump, when he was kicking,

:14:08. > :14:10.I used to take videos, and I just used to sit

:14:11. > :14:16.holding my bump all the time, talking to him and stroking my bump.

:14:17. > :14:19.And trying to understand how I was going to survive him

:14:20. > :14:28.What explanation did the local authority gave for saying

:14:29. > :14:31.that they were going to remove this baby from your care

:14:32. > :14:37.The local authority had no issue with my parenting, they said I had

:14:38. > :14:39.a higher than average standard of parenting care,

:14:40. > :14:41.they acknowledged that I was stable at that time,

:14:42. > :14:45.but that historically I had not been stable, and they felt

:14:46. > :14:48.that there was a future risk of emotional harm for this child.

:14:49. > :14:54.So a theoretical, possible, potential risk?

:14:55. > :14:58.Yes, yes, that may or may not happen.

:14:59. > :15:02.But based on previous history, they felt justified in making

:15:03. > :15:05.the application to court to remove my baby at birth.

:15:06. > :15:09.But at that time, I think, you really felt you were turning

:15:10. > :15:12.things around in your life, and mentally as well.

:15:13. > :15:17.I was, I was, I'd started to access therapy, which had been recommended

:15:18. > :15:32.I'd started to work with a counsellor, and I had started

:15:33. > :15:34.to move, I had started to move my life around.

:15:35. > :15:38.Prior to this, I really had no insight into the way that might be

:15:39. > :15:41.I had mental-health problems from childhood, really,

:15:42. > :15:43.and my behaviours were having an impact on my children,

:15:44. > :15:48.even the separation, even the act of me putting my children

:15:49. > :15:51.into the care system, I had no insight into how that

:15:52. > :15:54.might feel for a child, to be taken by your mother

:15:55. > :16:00.to a stranger's house and left, and then that it is,

:16:01. > :16:02.you don't see your mum for a few days.

:16:03. > :16:04.I had no insight into how that might feel.

:16:05. > :16:11.Can I ask you why you believe you have experienced such severe

:16:12. > :16:14.mental health problems, why your life has, in periods,

:16:15. > :16:18.From childhood, I was subject to abuse, systematic abuse,

:16:19. > :16:24.physical, emotional, sexual abuse, neglect.

:16:25. > :16:27.The people that were supposed to protect me didn't protect me,

:16:28. > :16:32.and I spent some time in the care system.

:16:33. > :16:35.And what that meant for me, or the consequence that it had,

:16:36. > :16:37.was that I was drawn towards inappropriate

:16:38. > :16:43.and abusive relationships, normally with older men.

:16:44. > :16:45.I'd experienced rejection and humiliation, which were

:16:46. > :16:47.routinely used as punishments within my childhood,

:16:48. > :16:51.so I became very, very frightened of rejection,

:16:52. > :16:57.and because of that I would put up with any behaviour from a man.

:16:58. > :17:02.They would get drunk, they were maybe on drugs,

:17:03. > :17:05.and I would accept that as being OK because I was so frightened

:17:06. > :17:12.And when I did, invariably did get rejected, I didn't have the tools

:17:13. > :17:16.within me to cope with that so I would feel overwhelmed

:17:17. > :17:22.with emotion and I would feel the need to externalise that

:17:23. > :17:24.emotion by self-harming, by suicide attempts.

:17:25. > :17:28.And all of this has happened from childhood, really.

:17:29. > :17:31.I started self-harming at a very young age.

:17:32. > :17:35.I had eating disorders and problems around body dysmorphia.

:17:36. > :17:38.And this has been right throughout my life,

:17:39. > :17:42.but when I became a mother, it didn't stop, and it should have

:17:43. > :17:46.So my children came along on the journey with me.

:17:47. > :17:50.And it was only in that first set of care proceedings that

:17:51. > :17:53.I was catapulted into realising what all of these behaviours that

:17:54. > :17:57.had been going on for many years had meant for me, but also had

:17:58. > :18:07.You were overdue, you passed the due date, and the midwife wanted to help

:18:08. > :18:10.you have some time with your baby before the local authority

:18:11. > :18:24.She came to the house early Friday morning and tried to start my labour

:18:25. > :18:32.And because we knew that if I gave birth on a Friday or a Saturday,

:18:33. > :18:35.I would have the weekend with my child and I did.

:18:36. > :18:37.As it happened, the court hearing wasn't until the following Friday,

:18:38. > :18:48.What was it like a sixth day to hear the midwife

:18:49. > :18:51.say, "It's time to hand your baby over"?

:18:52. > :19:07.I was breast-feeding my child exclusively,

:19:08. > :19:12.I'd had to be away from my child in order to go to court,

:19:13. > :19:15.the hospital provided a taxi because there was no thought given

:19:16. > :19:18.to how I would get to court which was about ten miles away.

:19:19. > :19:21.And I took the witness stand and I had to give evidence

:19:22. > :19:24.for around an hour, where I really thought, I really tried hard,

:19:25. > :19:31.And sometimes I got confused with the questions

:19:32. > :19:39.and sometimes I wasn't sure how to best put my case.

:19:40. > :19:41.I knew that I was going to lose my baby.

:19:42. > :19:44.I knew that was the decision the court would come to,

:19:45. > :19:47.so I ask, after giving evidence, to go back to the hospital,

:19:48. > :19:50.and when I walked into the hospital, there was just an eerie silence,

:19:51. > :19:56.because everybody knew that, shortly after, I baby

:19:57. > :19:58.because everybody knew that, shortly after, my baby

:19:59. > :20:01.And the foster carers came to the hospital,

:20:02. > :20:03.which is quite unusual, normally the social worker

:20:04. > :20:06.would remove the baby, and you could hear them in next room

:20:07. > :20:10.with the social worker, just chatting, normal conversations,

:20:11. > :20:13.but in the next room I was dressing my baby

:20:14. > :20:16.in clothes that I had bought, knowing that I would either be

:20:17. > :20:20.taking him home or they would take him away.

:20:21. > :20:23.And I brought the vest to show you, which I dressed my child

:20:24. > :20:25.in when the foster carers were in the next room waiting

:20:26. > :20:36.But I knew that I had to make my peace with them

:20:37. > :20:44.so I asked for the foster mother to come into the room.

:20:45. > :20:47.And she sat down on the bed next to me.

:20:48. > :20:49.We just instinctively reached for each other's hands,

:20:50. > :20:52.and I said, "I haven't done anything to him."

:20:53. > :20:58.And I said, "You will look after him, won't you?"

:20:59. > :21:03.And neither of us could speak, she was crying and I was crying.

:21:04. > :21:06.And when she went out of the room, you could hear her

:21:07. > :21:09.And it was about half an hour afterwards, the midwife had kept

:21:10. > :21:11.coming in, and I kept saying, "Is it time?"

:21:12. > :21:14.And she kept saying, "No, no, no," and then she came in,

:21:15. > :21:24.And people that were there in the room with me,

:21:25. > :21:27.my eldest was there with me and some friends said that

:21:28. > :21:30.I was smiling, and I think that I was smiling because I didn't

:21:31. > :21:33.really believe that they were going to take him, I didn't really believe

:21:34. > :21:37.that in this country a baby could be removed from it's mother on a future

:21:38. > :21:39.risk when the mother hadn't done anything to this baby.

:21:40. > :21:42.So the midwife came round to the bed, and I smiled

:21:43. > :21:49.at the midwife and handed my baby to the midwife.

:21:50. > :21:56.And then I've never seen anyone moves so quick.

:21:57. > :21:58.She went out of the door, and the last thing

:21:59. > :22:01.I saw was this fluffy little head going out the door.

:22:02. > :22:03.And then I just heard a noise which...

:22:04. > :22:05.I thought there was something wrong, I thought something had

:22:06. > :22:08.happened on the ward, and it took me a second to realise

:22:09. > :22:17.It was just a primal noise, and I fell forward.

:22:18. > :22:20.And all I could feel were hands and me, it was my friends

:22:21. > :22:23.and my eldest son, desperately trying to just take the pain away

:22:24. > :22:26.from me, and they couldn't, nothing could take it away.

:22:27. > :22:33.Then I had to walk out of the hospital, being held up

:22:34. > :22:44.Without my child, with an empty body, with empty arms,

:22:45. > :22:48.with neighbours looking to see when the baby was coming home,

:22:49. > :22:55.and into a house that was ready for my baby but it wasn't there.

:22:56. > :23:00.At what point, Annie, did something click,

:23:01. > :23:04.and did you think, OK, I'm going to get my baby back?

:23:05. > :23:08.He was taken on a Friday, and that whole Friday night

:23:09. > :23:15.was just spent crying and weeping and screaming.

:23:16. > :23:24.It was the lowest point of my entire life.

:23:25. > :23:29.I felt like a child, I wanted my mam.

:23:30. > :23:34.And then, at about half 12 on the Saturday,

:23:35. > :23:37.somebody sent me a message, and it said, "You dry your tears

:23:38. > :23:40.and you get up and you fight, because this isn't over."

:23:41. > :23:42.And there was something about that word "fight",

:23:43. > :23:47.and I thought, "You're right, I haven't done anything to this

:23:48. > :23:50.child and actually the children that I do have are either with me

:23:51. > :23:53.or I have high levels of contact with them."

:23:54. > :23:56.And I have let my children down in the past, that is right,

:23:57. > :24:02.I've got good relationships with my children, I'm a good mum,

:24:03. > :24:09.Forced adoption is not the right thing for my child.

:24:10. > :24:15.But I knew that fighting in the wrong way would ensure

:24:16. > :24:20.So fighting against the local authority, fighting

:24:21. > :24:23.against the court system, so I knew that I had to start

:24:24. > :24:25.to learn about the law, and that is what I did.

:24:26. > :24:29.And I had to look really carefully at what I could do to prove my case,

:24:30. > :24:33.that I was changing, that I was engaging in my therapy,

:24:34. > :24:36.and that the behaviours that I'd engaged in in the past were not

:24:37. > :24:43.How did you feel when it was clear that your youngest child

:24:44. > :24:55.I really believed that the best thing for my child was to come home,

:24:56. > :24:58.I knew what the local authority were saying,

:24:59. > :25:02.but I didn't know what the guardian was going to say, and she filed her

:25:03. > :25:05.evidence in the November, and she said that she thought my

:25:06. > :25:08.child should be rehabilitated home with the minimum of delay.

:25:09. > :25:10.That was against what the local authority said.

:25:11. > :25:12.It was, it was against what the local

:25:13. > :25:15.The guardian is a state-appointed adult who can look independently.

:25:16. > :25:17.Independent, and is there to represent the child

:25:18. > :25:20.And she felt that my child should come home,

:25:21. > :25:23.and she asked the question, "Why should this child be adopted

:25:24. > :25:25.whilst the other children have regular contact with their mum

:25:26. > :25:36.She trusted me, and at that point the local authority didn't.

:25:37. > :25:40.But when I knew that the guardian was supporting me, I started

:25:41. > :25:44.to prepare for my child coming home, so I got a cot, and I started to get

:25:45. > :25:50.I started to prepare, as you would when you were pregnant,

:25:51. > :25:54.you know, as I should have done when I was pregnant,

:25:55. > :25:57.that whole journey that you go on, I started it were my child

:25:58. > :26:02.And last day, when it finally became clear it was real,

:26:03. > :26:05.he was coming home, my legs just went out from under me.

:26:06. > :26:15.I couldn't believe that we were going to be back together,

:26:16. > :26:19.that he was going to be back where he belonged.

:26:20. > :26:22.And all that fight and all them nights without him, and all them

:26:23. > :26:25.days that I used to see babies and I couldn't stand it,

:26:26. > :26:30.I just felt so empty without him, all of that resilience,

:26:31. > :26:33.all of that strength, it was all going to be worth it,

:26:34. > :26:38.But you did it, you did it, didn't you?

:26:39. > :26:44.And that is quite an astonishing achievement, actually,

:26:45. > :27:01.I'm not proud of very much that I've done in my life.

:27:02. > :27:06.I'm very proud of my children's strength, my children's resilience.

:27:07. > :27:09.But I'm extremely proud that I recognised the local authority's

:27:10. > :27:11.concerns, I took on board what the issues were,

:27:12. > :27:21.I never, ever gave up, I always believe the right place

:27:22. > :27:24.for my child was with family, and that where he is now.

:27:25. > :27:27.And he has been for over two years, successfully.

:27:28. > :27:39.We asked the local authority for a statement.

:27:40. > :27:43.They said that, in your case, the proceedings to return your child

:27:44. > :27:47.took longer than they should have done, and that they've learned

:27:48. > :27:49.from your case and they're working to improve how they work

:27:50. > :27:52.with families in the future, and they also said that

:27:53. > :27:55.you are helping them to improve the way that they, as a local

:27:56. > :27:58.authority, practise in this area, and the way that contact visits

:27:59. > :27:59.between parents and their children operate.

:28:00. > :28:02.It sounds like they are trying to learn from you and your case.

:28:03. > :28:07.I put my hands up and I've said, "Look, I've messed up,

:28:08. > :28:16.The local authority have now put their hands up and said,

:28:17. > :28:17."We messed up. We've made mistakes too."

:28:18. > :28:20.And now we are coming together and having a conversation about how

:28:21. > :28:23.we can best serve the other parents in the borough who are going

:28:24. > :28:29.Previously, it has all been about parents recognising

:28:30. > :28:31.concerns and learning, but actually the local authority

:28:32. > :28:33.have got concerns that they need to recognise as well.

:28:34. > :28:36.The system is risk averse at the moment, and it is set up

:28:37. > :28:46.We are set up to fight against each other and that does not promote

:28:47. > :28:50.Social workers have been pushed into bureaucracy,

:28:51. > :28:53.they've been pushed into sitting behind a desk, filling

:28:54. > :28:57.in forms and paperwork, and they are so tied by policies

:28:58. > :29:01.and procedures and red tape, and risk-averse practice in case

:29:02. > :29:04.we have a repeat of Baby P or Victoria Climbie.

:29:05. > :29:05.Nobody wants that, parents don't want that, local

:29:06. > :29:11.But previously it's always been about parents making the changes,

:29:12. > :29:14.and actually I think the local authority also need

:29:15. > :29:21.Social workers would do well to learn from parents' experience

:29:22. > :29:24.like mine and think about how it would feel if it was their family

:29:25. > :29:27.and their children, and practise in a way that maybe promotes

:29:28. > :29:32.the core of social work, which is human relationships.

:29:33. > :29:35.Can I ask you what you think of the 26-weeks time limit

:29:36. > :29:37.the Government introduced a couple of years ago for care proceedings?

:29:38. > :29:41.The intention was to speed up the process of making long-term

:29:42. > :29:44.decisions over the care of a child, because the best interests

:29:45. > :29:48.of the child are served by not dragging things out and not leaving

:29:49. > :30:01.I think when a decision has been made about a child,

:30:02. > :30:04.things do need to move, I don't think that children should

:30:05. > :30:06.be subject to delay, I don't think that the adoption

:30:07. > :30:11.However, the issue that I've got with the 26-week rule

:30:12. > :30:15.is that it is a very short amount of time to demonstrate change.

:30:16. > :30:21.Absolutely, if you are a parent with mental-health problems,

:30:22. > :30:24.it takes an inordinate amount of time to recognise

:30:25. > :30:27.what your own issues are, to gain insight, to go

:30:28. > :30:34.Therapy is not something that can be forced upon you,

:30:35. > :30:38.it's something that you have to be ready for, and you can't

:30:39. > :30:40.shoehorn people into, you must complete your therapy

:30:41. > :30:43.within 26 weeks or you'll lose your child, because then people

:30:44. > :30:49.I mean, the very first thing to note is that a lot of the therapy that's

:30:50. > :30:53.recommended within proceedings isn't actually available on the NHS,

:30:54. > :30:57.so it almost like you're being set up to fail as a parent anyway.

:30:58. > :30:59.Thank you very much, Annie, thank you for

:31:00. > :31:14.Thank you for your messages as you were watching that interview on

:31:15. > :31:18.Facebook. Some viewers say such a desperately sad case. Another says,

:31:19. > :31:21.this is really sad but she continued to have children, why? She should

:31:22. > :31:28.not have been allowed to. Another on Twitter says heart-rending insight

:31:29. > :31:30.into what it's like to have your children taken into care. Another

:31:31. > :31:34.says, I feel strongly from the children's point of view they are

:31:35. > :31:38.better off without unstable mothers. That kind of harm can never be

:31:39. > :31:47.under. Times and put the children first. Another says, what our social

:31:48. > :31:50.services supposed to do? And another says, this is really sad and it

:31:51. > :31:54.happens to fathers every day and it seems to be accepted in society, but

:31:55. > :31:58.when it happens to a mother there is outrage. Thank you for those. Do

:31:59. > :32:01.continue to get in touch with us about the stories in the news today.

:32:02. > :32:03.Still to come, Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk talks

:32:04. > :32:06.for the first time about wrongly claiming parliamentary expenses.

:32:07. > :32:11.Which he has now been ordered to pay back.

:32:12. > :32:14.A married celebrity couple will find out today whether judges will lift

:32:15. > :32:15.an injunction barring them from being named over

:32:16. > :32:26.We'll be talking about the case to a former High Court judge.

:32:27. > :32:31.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:32:32. > :32:34.Leaving the EU could cost every UK household ?4,300 a year by 2030,

:32:35. > :32:35.according to a report by the Treasury.

:32:36. > :32:43.A 200-page document published by the Chancellor, argues

:32:44. > :32:45.that the British economy would shrink by 6%

:32:46. > :32:47.because trade barriers would be higher, hitting exports.

:32:48. > :32:50.But Vote Leave has dismissed the document as just another

:32:51. > :32:51."erroneous pro-EU economic assessment".

:32:52. > :32:54.We'll hear from the Chancellor George Osborne

:32:55. > :32:59.Rescue teams in Ecuador have spent the night searching

:33:00. > :33:02.through the debris of collapsed buildings, trying to find survivors

:33:03. > :33:07.The country's president - who has cut short a visit to Rome -

:33:08. > :33:10.says that 272 people are now known to have died, but he fears

:33:11. > :33:25.A police investigation is underway after a passenger plane approaching

:33:26. > :33:30.Heathrow Airport was hit by what is thought to have been a pro. The

:33:31. > :33:34.British airway 's flight from Geneva with 132 passengers and five crew on

:33:35. > :33:38.board was hit as it approached Heathrow on Sunday. If confirmed it

:33:39. > :33:41.is believed it would be the first such incident the UK.

:33:42. > :33:43.A mother of five children has told this programme about her agony,

:33:44. > :33:48.after her newborn son was taken from her and put into care.

:33:49. > :33:53.The woman - who we're calling her Annie -

:33:54. > :33:56.has had some of her five kids taken from her,

:33:57. > :33:58.but successfully fought to get her youngest back.

:33:59. > :34:00.Annie suffers from a history of mental health problems,

:34:01. > :34:02.Victoria asked her what she thought of the 26-week rule,

:34:03. > :34:06.which was introduced to speed up decisions about care.

:34:07. > :34:10.The issue I've got with the 26 week rule is, it's a very short amount

:34:11. > :34:17.If you're a parent with mental health problems, it takes

:34:18. > :34:20.an inordinate amount of time to recognise what you're own issues

:34:21. > :34:23.are, to gain insight, to go through the therapeutic process.

:34:24. > :34:26.Therapy is not something that can be forced upon you, it's something

:34:27. > :34:41.In Australia dog smuggling charges against Johnny Depp's wife were

:34:42. > :34:45.dropped after she admitted lying on her card last year. She pleaded

:34:46. > :34:49.guilty to making. It meant to immigration about the couple's

:34:50. > :34:52.Yorkshire terriers. She brought the dogs to Queensland in a private jet,

:34:53. > :34:54.while her husband was filming there last year.

:34:55. > :34:58.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:34:59. > :35:02.Jessica has this morning's sports headlines now.

:35:03. > :35:07.West Ham striker Andy Carroll has accused the referee in their game

:35:08. > :35:11.with Leicester of trying to even things up. Official Jonathan Moss

:35:12. > :35:15.awarded Leicester penalty in the dying minutes, which rescued them a

:35:16. > :35:19.point in the 2-2 draw. There was a shock in the old firm derby as

:35:20. > :35:25.Rangers beat Celtic on penalties to reach next month's Scottish cup

:35:26. > :35:30.final. They will play Hibernian. Rafa Nadal has claimed a 68th title

:35:31. > :35:34.of his career, winning in three sets against Gael Monfils in the Monte

:35:35. > :35:38.Carlo Masters. And snooker legend Steve Davis has announced his

:35:39. > :35:44.retirement aged 58 in a career spanning almost 40 years. He won six

:35:45. > :35:48.world titles and the BBC personality of the year in 1988. He announced

:35:49. > :35:51.the news that the Crucible, the scene of so many of his greatest

:35:52. > :35:57.triumphs. That is all of the headlines, Moore at 10am. -- more.

:35:58. > :35:59.Next, an expenses cheat or just someone who made an honest mistake?

:36:00. > :36:04.The Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk who is currently suspended

:36:05. > :36:07.from the Labour party over sexting allegations, talks for the first

:36:08. > :36:10.time about parliamentary expenses he falsely claimed for his two older

:36:11. > :36:13.children who did not "routinely" live with him.

:36:14. > :36:15.The expenses watchdog is expected to publish the findings

:36:16. > :36:17.of its investigation into him this week.

:36:18. > :36:21.It has already ordered him to repay over ?11,500.

:36:22. > :36:24.He's also waiting to find out if he will be charged over

:36:25. > :36:37.Good morning. Are you an expenses cheat? No, it's an honest mistake.

:36:38. > :36:40.That was the reality of it. I should have checked the rules on regular

:36:41. > :36:45.-ish and is more than I did. I relied on a member of my team to

:36:46. > :36:53.explain what the rules were, I should have read that myself. I

:36:54. > :36:56.prioritised campaigning over this administration work and that is

:36:57. > :36:59.where the mistake occurred. But I take full responsibility for it and

:37:00. > :37:06.I will pay the money back. You haven't paid it back yet? I will pay

:37:07. > :37:09.back imminently. The point is they now except these rules around

:37:10. > :37:12.accommodation and around children are not fit for purpose and are

:37:13. > :37:18.talking about revising them. I think that is what they need to do. You

:37:19. > :37:22.said the rules of vague but you admitted you didn't read them? I

:37:23. > :37:27.didn't, I relied on advice. But it is down to me to check that advice

:37:28. > :37:32.and I didn't prioritise the administration of IPSA and how it

:37:33. > :37:37.worked. I prioritised casework in the constituency, campaigning. I am

:37:38. > :37:45.not big on Administration. I got it wrong. I wonder what is vague about

:37:46. > :37:49.this wording. An MP's entitlement to this expense will cease when the

:37:50. > :37:53.child ceases to reside routinely at the property with the MP. Your two

:37:54. > :37:58.older children when you registered for this never once stayed with you?

:37:59. > :38:02.This is one of the problems with the regulation. It is effectively

:38:03. > :38:07.retrospective. So when you make the claim, which I did, I thought the

:38:08. > :38:10.rule was if they are dependent upon you, because it talks about

:38:11. > :38:14.dependence, if they are dependent upon you, you can claim it. As

:38:15. > :38:18.opposed to what the rules actually say which is if they are routinely

:38:19. > :38:27.resident with you you can claim it? It does also talk about dependants.

:38:28. > :38:31.When I made the claim they came and stayed with me on regular basis, the

:38:32. > :38:34.relations with my first two children were healthy, they stayed with me in

:38:35. > :38:40.Rochdale regularly. And when I made the claim I knew they would continue

:38:41. > :38:44.to spend time with me in London... That they never did. But that was

:38:45. > :38:48.retrospective. One of them could have wanted to come and stay with

:38:49. > :38:53.me. This is the nature of the modern-day family. After the first

:38:54. > :38:55.year when they didn't stay with you, you could've told the expenses

:38:56. > :38:59.watchdog may could have adjusted what they were paying you

:39:00. > :39:04.accordingly? That is why doesn't work. I could do that... But you

:39:05. > :39:09.didn't? But the month after they could come and stay with me against

:39:10. > :39:14.a quite that they didn't. Nor for the second or third year. That is

:39:15. > :39:19.why it is retrospective and IPSA admits the rules do not work and it

:39:20. > :39:23.needs refining and changing. In the end you accept you are using your

:39:24. > :39:27.older children to subsidise your brand? Not at all. What you have to

:39:28. > :39:31.remember is this money wasn't coming to me. All the money claimed was

:39:32. > :39:36.going to the landlord. -- to subsidise your rent. Is still

:39:37. > :39:40.taxpayers money helping you subsidise your rent. What point are

:39:41. > :39:45.you making? Some people think the money has come to me but it hasn't

:39:46. > :39:50.come to me. The money has been going to the landlord. Is still free money

:39:51. > :39:55.from the taxpayer, for no reason? You should not have claimed it. I

:39:56. > :40:00.shouldn't and I will pay the money back. But you have to accept, if you

:40:01. > :40:03.want MPs from a whole range of different backgrounds, with children

:40:04. > :40:11.who have been married, who have broken up, modern-day families, or

:40:12. > :40:14.do you just want a certain kind of MP? An MP who reads the rules. I

:40:15. > :40:19.already said that, I should have checked myself. That is why I am

:40:20. > :40:28.paying it back. When a benefit claimant wrongly claims they are

:40:29. > :40:31.investigated for fraud. I would say everybody makes mistakes. A mistake

:40:32. > :40:35.has been made here, no doubt about it. If the benefit claimant makes a

:40:36. > :40:42.mistake, there should be simply really see there as well. How has it

:40:43. > :40:48.affected your relationship with your two older children? Is not this that

:40:49. > :40:51.has affected my relationship with my first two children but my ex-wife.

:40:52. > :40:56.That is something I really regret. I don't have a positive relationship

:40:57. > :41:00.with my two older children and I put that very much down to their mother.

:41:01. > :41:04.What do they think of you claiming extra money for them routinely

:41:05. > :41:08.living you when they don't question the bad news is I haven't spoken to

:41:09. > :41:16.them about it because I don't have a positive relationship with them.

:41:17. > :41:21.Can you repair that racial chip? I would hope so, over time. -- that

:41:22. > :41:26.relationship. There are many relationships which break up and one

:41:27. > :41:29.parent poisons the children over another. That is what has happened

:41:30. > :41:36.here and it is a very sad situation but that is where we are in life.

:41:37. > :41:43.You are suspended from the Labour Party while you are investigated for

:41:44. > :41:50.sexting a 17-year-old. How do you respond to that? It has been a tough

:41:51. > :41:55.12 months. The sexting story is something of a tabloid constructed,

:41:56. > :42:00.if I'm honest. You did send sexually explicit messages to a 17-year-old.

:42:01. > :42:05.I am not denying that. Then it is not a tabloid constructed. It is,

:42:06. > :42:09.how it was put together, the fact she came to me and asked for a job

:42:10. > :42:13.is not true. The idea it went on for a long time and that I bombarded her

:42:14. > :42:18.with messages of a sexual nature isn't true. Out of the thousands of

:42:19. > :42:23.exchanges and words that occurred, she sent the vast majority of sexual

:42:24. > :42:29.messages. I must have sent about six words of a sexual nature over

:42:30. > :42:34.several months. So the reality is... Is that OK? No, and I apologised and

:42:35. > :42:38.that is something I shouldn't have done. It occurred when I was in a

:42:39. > :42:42.very dark place, soon after I had broken up with my second wife. I was

:42:43. > :42:49.drinking on the evening is that it occurred and I shouldn't have done

:42:50. > :42:53.it and I have apologised for that. If the Labour Party do end up

:42:54. > :42:59.suspending you, what will you do? They have suspended me now. I mean

:43:00. > :43:03.expelling you, if they come to the conclusion you should be expelled? I

:43:04. > :43:09.think they will find it difficult to do that, to be honest. Why? I

:43:10. > :43:12.haven't broken the law, the situation is not as it first

:43:13. > :43:16.appeared in the newspapers, as I just described, it is a much more

:43:17. > :43:20.complicated situation. I think they can only conclude I haven't done

:43:21. > :43:26.anything wrong and that I should be allowed to stay within the Labour

:43:27. > :43:29.Party. You just mentioned that you sent those messages while you were

:43:30. > :43:34.drinking and you told the Sun that you had a drink problem earlier this

:43:35. > :43:38.year. Is that under control now? Very much under control, I am in a

:43:39. > :43:43.very good place. It has been a broker for 12 months. I talk

:43:44. > :43:47.honestly and openly about these issues, so that people can

:43:48. > :43:49.understand me, and also so they can understand politicians and politics

:43:50. > :43:55.and they know what's going on. I have been drinking heavily in months

:43:56. > :44:00.gone by, but yes, completely under control. And I'm actually in a very

:44:01. > :44:04.good place. I prioritise my youngest two children. If there is any silver

:44:05. > :44:09.lining in any of this 12 months that has occurred it is that I have

:44:10. > :44:13.learned to understand that the real priority for me is these two

:44:14. > :44:17.youngest children, my relationship with them and that is very positive.

:44:18. > :44:21.When I tweeted you are coming on the programme today there was a lot of

:44:22. > :44:26.abuse on my timeline directed at you. Some of that I cannot repeat on

:44:27. > :44:30.air. Probably the most polite is you are an expenses liar and should

:44:31. > :44:34.resign. Have you had masses of abuse? You often get lots of abuse

:44:35. > :44:39.on social media, that is the nature of Twitter and everything else.

:44:40. > :44:46.Since the expenses story came out? Politicians get abuse on Twitter and

:44:47. > :44:53.on Facebook on a daily basis. That is the nature of social media. But

:44:54. > :44:56.in real life, back on Earth, people are very nice and pleasant in the

:44:57. > :45:02.constituency, people are very supportive, very helpful and

:45:03. > :45:07.encouraging. Police are investigating you over an allegation

:45:08. > :45:10.of rape. What is a latest on that? It is a malicious allegation. The

:45:11. > :45:15.police have been investigating it for several months. They will pass a

:45:16. > :45:19.file to the Crown Prosecution Service and a conclusion will be

:45:20. > :45:22.reached. I cannot say much more. In terms of you carrying out your day

:45:23. > :45:27.job, as that is being investigated, what is that like?

:45:28. > :45:32.Yeah, well, but that's been hanging over me and I have to get on with

:45:33. > :45:35.the day job. It puts a strain on you, there no doubt about that, but

:45:36. > :45:38.the truth is, you know, I enjoy doing the work that I do as a member

:45:39. > :45:43.of Parliament. I think I do it well. Some people, you know, the reality

:45:44. > :45:47.is that some people won't like my politics, people on the far left

:45:48. > :45:50.don't like them because I am a moderate within the Labour Party.

:45:51. > :45:54.People might not like my personal life, but the reality is they can't

:45:55. > :45:59.take it away from me, I work hard as a member of Parliament. I represent

:46:00. > :46:03.the constituency very well. I've run excellent campaigns on a range of

:46:04. > :46:06.issues whether it is child sexual abuse or other campaigns, business

:46:07. > :46:11.rates and other things and that's what I have to concentrate on and

:46:12. > :46:14.get on with on a daily basis and I enjoy doing that. Why do you think

:46:15. > :46:17.the press wrote about your private life and not about the Culture

:46:18. > :46:22.Secretary's private life? Yeah, I think that's a really interesting

:46:23. > :46:25.question actually. John Whittingdale the Culture Secretary is entitled to

:46:26. > :46:29.his personal life, I would be the first to argue that. So the story

:46:30. > :46:33.isn't about what he got up to in his personal life, whether he had a

:46:34. > :46:38.relationship with this woman or not, the story is about why the tabloids

:46:39. > :46:41.didn't print that story and that takes us into a discussion about

:46:42. > :46:45.press regulation and I think, it is an interesting question. You believe

:46:46. > :46:50.that link, do you? You believe they didn't because of the fact he has a

:46:51. > :46:54.sway over press relations? BBC News night broke the story about the

:46:55. > :46:58.relationship between the press and John Whittingdale and they were

:46:59. > :47:01.right to do so because, you know, the editors will say is there a

:47:02. > :47:05.public interest? Well, if there is a public interest in printing a story

:47:06. > :47:08.about my personal life, I am a backbench MP, I'm not a Minister of

:47:09. > :47:13.State or anything like that, and yet they don't think it is in the public

:47:14. > :47:18.interest to print a story about John Whittingdale. People will draw the

:47:19. > :47:22.conclusion that they haven't printed it because he regulates them and

:47:23. > :47:32.this is a really important issue. We had an inquiry a few years ago about

:47:33. > :47:35.press regulation, the Leveson Inquiry, it concluded that the press

:47:36. > :47:40.and newspapers should be better regulated and John Whittingdale said

:47:41. > :47:44.I'm not going to do that even though there is cross-party support. If

:47:45. > :47:47.there is scandals in politics, we can talk about scandals in my

:47:48. > :47:51.personal life, but this is a scandal. This is about power in the

:47:52. > :47:54.mead ya a in newspapers and power in politics, and it isn't about

:47:55. > :47:59.celebrities and politicians in the newspapers, this is about the

:48:00. > :48:02.general public, how are they perceived and how are they written

:48:03. > :48:06.about in newspapers? Leveson gave them protection and yet this

:48:07. > :48:09.Government, John Whittingdale, won't implement that protection of members

:48:10. > :48:13.of the public and how they are written about in the newspapers and

:48:14. > :48:17.that's what's wrong. Do you, do you enjoy being written about? Do you

:48:18. > :48:20.enjoy being in the papers? I see it as a fact of life and I never

:48:21. > :48:27.complain about it. If you're going to put yourself out there in the

:48:28. > :48:31.public eye, I've utilised the media to campaign on child sexual abuse

:48:32. > :48:35.issues and things like that and I put yourself up for it and it is an

:48:36. > :48:40.inevitability being in public life. I don't complain about it, but

:48:41. > :48:45.that's just the way it is. You made a claim about your ex-wife and you

:48:46. > :48:48.believes she impacted on your relationship with your elder

:48:49. > :48:52.children, clearly she is not here to defend herself. We don't have her

:48:53. > :48:57.side of the story. Here are comments from people watching you this

:48:58. > :49:01.morning. One viewer says, "Why would you think you are entitled to

:49:02. > :49:07.complained the children's allowance in the first place? Nobody pays me

:49:08. > :49:12.when my kids visit." He is a liar and a cheat, how can we believe he

:49:13. > :49:17.has our best interests at heart. He has stolen from us." I have made a

:49:18. > :49:22.mistake in terms of the expenses complained and I'm paying it back

:49:23. > :49:27.and the rules are being to be revised on the basis of what

:49:28. > :49:31.happened. Another viewer saying, "Simon Danczuk should have resigned.

:49:32. > :49:35.Yes, money went to the landlord, but you benefited. Tone on Twitter,

:49:36. > :49:40."What we want Simon Danczuk are honest MPs." Chris say, "Another

:49:41. > :49:49.greedy MP caught with his fingers in the till." Would you trust someone

:49:50. > :49:53.to represent you if they made an ?11,500 error claiming expenses? You

:49:54. > :49:58.get feedback and people say what they think. People don't politicians

:49:59. > :50:01.generally, but we can't run the country without them. I accept a lot

:50:02. > :50:05.of people don't like politicians, but it doesn't stop me from getting

:50:06. > :50:08.on with the day job and there is a large silent majority out there that

:50:09. > :50:12.appreciate the work that politicians do and I'll carry on doing that bit

:50:13. > :50:17.of work that I do. Do you feel that you are in a more positive frame of

:50:18. > :50:21.mind having gone through what you've gone through in the last... Yeah, I

:50:22. > :50:25.wouldn't recommend anybody having to go through what I have been through

:50:26. > :50:29.in the last 12 months. It has been a pretty difficult time and I will

:50:30. > :50:33.never forget just after Christmas, there was a lot of controversy about

:50:34. > :50:39.me. I had broken up with a councillor that I had just been

:50:40. > :50:44.seeing for a few weeks. She told her story within 24 hours to a tabloid

:50:45. > :50:48.newspaper. My son was at the school gates and didn't want to go to

:50:49. > :50:52.school. He had seen some of the news on TV. Other children were talking

:50:53. > :50:55.about it in the classroom and he was crying at the school gates. It is

:50:56. > :51:00.that point after Christmas that I realised what I do, not just impacts

:51:01. > :51:04.on me and that's not what is important, but impacts on me two

:51:05. > :51:08.younger children and if there is anything positive to come from that,

:51:09. > :51:12.it made me realise I need to prioritise them. I'm a work

:51:13. > :51:16.aalcoholic, but I have to take time out and I do now and that puts me in

:51:17. > :51:19.a really positive place. I work well with their mother. We share

:51:20. > :51:22.parenting on a weekly basis and that's put me in a really good place

:51:23. > :51:24.and I feel more positive than I have for a long time.

:51:25. > :51:26.Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Thank you for talking

:51:27. > :51:32.to us. Thank you. A married celebrity couple will find

:51:33. > :51:35.out today whether judges will lift an injunction barring them

:51:36. > :51:36.from being named over an extra-marital threesome

:51:37. > :51:38.one of them had. Chances are you've already

:51:39. > :51:43.seen their names reported online and on social media,

:51:44. > :51:46.but we can't reveal their identity. The Sun on Sunday say the injunction

:51:47. > :53:11.is pointless because the couple have been named so widely online

:53:12. > :53:13.and in articles outside By way of example of just how widely

:53:14. > :53:23.the names are known, look at what happened during this

:53:24. > :53:26.week's Have I Got News For You. It would be interesting to find out,

:53:27. > :53:29.cos obviously we're not going to say anything about it,

:53:30. > :53:32.but it would be interesting to ask the audience if they know,

:53:33. > :53:34.not to say out loud, but just put your hand up if you

:53:35. > :53:37.know who we're talking about. Sir Charles Gray is a retired

:53:38. > :53:45.High Court judge who during his time on the bench granted

:53:46. > :53:52.several privacy injunctions. Do not name any names, but do you

:53:53. > :53:55.know who it is? I do, yes, I do. Did you search the information out or

:53:56. > :53:59.did someone just tell you? Someone told me. Now The Sun on Sunday's

:54:00. > :54:02.argument has changed as the circumstances have changed.

:54:03. > :54:05.Originally they said they should be able to identify the couple because

:54:06. > :54:08.it would, it was in the public interest, it would correct a false

:54:09. > :54:13.impression this couple projected they were in a committed, loving

:54:14. > :54:17.marriage. Now, the Court of Appeal didn't buy that argument. Now they

:54:18. > :54:20.are saying because loads of people know the names, name of the couple,

:54:21. > :54:27.then they should be able to publish it. Are you persuaded by that

:54:28. > :54:32.argument? I'm not personally because often one has a seepage of publicity

:54:33. > :54:37.being given to stories like this one. As I understand it, the only

:54:38. > :54:42.publicity that's been given, I say only, it is perhaps more than only,

:54:43. > :54:47.but there is publicity in America and there is publicity in Scotland.

:54:48. > :54:50.To some extent I think that publicity has generated, especially

:54:51. > :54:54.the Scottish publicity by the fact that they knew if they gave

:54:55. > :54:59.publicity that would assist to get the injunction removed in England.

:55:00. > :55:03.Right. And that seems to me to be an unsatisfactory state of affairs. But

:55:04. > :55:08.what is the point of an injunction if lots and lots of people know the

:55:09. > :55:12.identities? Well, you say lots and lots of people do, I suppose most

:55:13. > :55:18.people who are interested can find out. But I think that there is a

:55:19. > :55:22.point still in having injunctions even if there are sections of the

:55:23. > :55:28.population who are going to know what has been said. You've granted

:55:29. > :55:32.dozens of injunctions. Yes. Sometimes you wanted to grant an

:55:33. > :55:37.injudges and haven't been able to, but can you, because information was

:55:38. > :55:41.already public, is that true? Yes. Can you give us examples of the kind

:55:42. > :55:46.of injunctions you've imposed? It is a bit difficult to give you examples

:55:47. > :55:52.without treading on delicate ground. Don't name names. Yes. Broad areas.

:55:53. > :55:57.There have been times when one wanted to grant an injunction, but

:55:58. > :56:04.been persuaded it would be wrong to do so because there was some

:56:05. > :56:07.publicity given and the beginning of publicity generates more publicity

:56:08. > :56:12.and the injunction will be less and less purposeful and there is no

:56:13. > :56:16.point in a judge granted purpless injunctions, that's the problem and

:56:17. > :56:20.it is a problem. I'm sure the Court of Appeal will regret having to

:56:21. > :56:23.counter manned their original decision if that's indeed what they

:56:24. > :56:27.are going to do this morning. What do you think is going to happen

:56:28. > :56:32.then? To me, they might well say that there should be no injunction.

:56:33. > :56:36.So lift the injunction and allow The Sun on Sunday and everyone else in

:56:37. > :56:41.England and Wales to publish? Yes. You don't think would be fair or

:56:42. > :56:45.right? I can understand why they say they feel that they must do that. I

:56:46. > :56:52.think they probably will feel a little uncomfortable will it too

:56:53. > :56:56.because it is information which you don't want to have disseminated

:56:57. > :57:00.unless it is inevitable and it is right that it should happen. If the

:57:01. > :57:03.injunction is lifted, the onslaught about the newspapers writing about

:57:04. > :57:06.the couple's private life will be huge and there could be consequences

:57:07. > :57:10.for their young children? Absolutely. Those are additional

:57:11. > :57:15.reasons why this there should be hesitation, I think, before any

:57:16. > :57:18.injunction is lifted. How has social media changed the role of

:57:19. > :57:22.injunctions if you think it has changed the role of injunctions at

:57:23. > :57:29.all? I don't think it changed it much. You know, there is more media

:57:30. > :57:33.outlet being given to stories of various kinds and I suppose that

:57:34. > :57:36.increases the possibilities of arguing as has been argued

:57:37. > :57:41.successfully in this case, apparently or was going to be argued

:57:42. > :57:44.in this case successfully that there shouldn't be an injunction. I am

:57:45. > :57:49.unhappy about it being taken too far. I think it can be taken too

:57:50. > :57:51.far. Well, we will see what happens in court today. Thank you very much

:57:52. > :58:00.for coming on the programme. Pleasure. Charles Gray retired High

:58:01. > :58:05.Court judge. More messages about Simon Danczuk,

:58:06. > :58:10."He is innocent and everyone else is to blame." Paul e-mails, "Surely the

:58:11. > :58:16.MP must see the defence he put up is a farce." Becky says, "I don't think

:58:17. > :58:19.Simon Danczuk explained himself. If anything he seems to have dug

:58:20. > :58:25.himself a larger hole than he had before." Emily says, "He can't see

:58:26. > :58:29.the error of his ways." April says, "This must be a swan song for Simon

:58:30. > :58:32.Danczuk because it is only making matters worse."

:58:33. > :58:35.Coming up, as Leicester extend their lead at the top

:58:36. > :58:37.of the Premier League to eight points, we'll have the latest

:58:38. > :58:51.Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

:58:52. > :59:03.It is cloudy, mainly dry. It is starting to brighten up in Greenock.

:59:04. > :59:06.Further south, it is sunshine. In the south, it will cloud over and in

:59:07. > :59:10.the north, it will brighten up. So you can see the extent of the cloud

:59:11. > :59:14.on the satellite picture, slowly pushing southwards. Still bright

:59:15. > :59:17.skies in the south and we are seeing sunshine across other parts of the

:59:18. > :59:20.British Isles. But some of that cloud is thick enough for the odd

:59:21. > :59:24.shower. More particularly across Northern England where we've got a

:59:25. > :59:27.weak weather front. Through the day, the cloud moves down towards the

:59:28. > :59:30.south. It brightens up for Scotland and northern England and the north

:59:31. > :59:34.of Northern Ireland, but elsewhere, we will see some glimmers of

:59:35. > :59:37.sunshine at times. Some showers though, heavy across the Northern

:59:38. > :59:41.Isles, here too, we are looking at gusts of wind up to gale force.

:59:42. > :59:45.Temperatures 11 to 13 Celsius. As we head through the evening and

:59:46. > :59:48.overnight, the cloud is really across Southern England, the

:59:49. > :59:51.Midlands, Wales, Northern Ireland and Western Scotland. That will help

:59:52. > :59:55.maintain the temperature level. Where the cloud remains broken in

:59:56. > :59:58.the north and the east, that's where the temperatures will be lowest and

:59:59. > :00:02.that's where we are expecting just a touch of frost. The winds continuing

:00:03. > :00:05.to ease down through the night and also tomorrow. Tomorrow the best of

:00:06. > :00:08.the sunshine in the north and the east, still fairly cloudy out

:00:09. > :00:15.towards the west, but in lighter winds, it will feel better.

:00:16. > :00:17.Hello it's 10am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:18. > :00:19.Welcome to the programme, if you've just joined us.

:00:20. > :00:21.The government warns that every household will be over four thousand

:00:22. > :00:30.pounds worse off if Britain votes to leave the EU.

:00:31. > :00:34.We will scrutinise is bigger than we will hear from the Chancellor around

:00:35. > :00:37.10:15am when he gives a speech. A woman with a history of mental

:00:38. > :00:39.health problems tells us of the of the agony

:00:40. > :00:42.of having her baby taken away. The foster carers were in the next

:00:43. > :00:45.room waiting to take my baby home and I hated them,

:00:46. > :00:52.I absolutely hated them but I knew that I had to make my peace

:00:53. > :00:56.with them so I asked for the foster mother to come into the room

:00:57. > :01:01.and she sat down on the bed next to me and we just instinctively

:01:02. > :01:04.reached for each other's hands and I said I haven't done anything

:01:05. > :01:12.to him and she said I know, and I said you will look

:01:13. > :01:14.after him won't you? You can see the full

:01:15. > :01:17.interview on our programme Johnny Depp and his wife say they're

:01:18. > :01:22.truly sorry they brought their pet dogs into Australia illegally -

:01:23. > :01:25.we'll bring you that apology and speak to a journalist who's

:01:26. > :01:37.been covering the case. here's Joanna

:01:38. > :01:42.in the BBC Newsroom, Leaving the EU could cost every UK

:01:43. > :01:47.household ?4,300 a year by 2030, according to a report

:01:48. > :01:48.by the Treasury. A 200-page document published

:01:49. > :01:53.by the Chancellor, argues that the British economy

:01:54. > :01:55.would shrink by 6% because trade barriers would be

:01:56. > :01:59.higher, hitting exports. But Vote Leave has dismissed

:02:00. > :02:01.the document as just another "erroneous pro-EU economic

:02:02. > :02:04.assessment". But the Chancellor denied

:02:05. > :02:07.the warning was part The Treasury analysis is supported

:02:08. > :02:13.by the analysis of respected independent organisations,

:02:14. > :02:20.like the London School of Economics. It is supported by the economic

:02:21. > :02:22.arguments being made by everyone from the International Monetary

:02:23. > :02:25.Fund, to the OECD, to big international businesses and,

:02:26. > :02:27.indeed, small firms as well. There is a consensus opinion Britain

:02:28. > :02:29.would be poorer and worse off And we're expecting the Chancellor

:02:30. > :02:35.to take to the stage and deliver his warning in around

:02:36. > :02:40.ten minutes - we'll listen in. Rescue teams in Ecuador have

:02:41. > :02:43.spent the night searching through the debris of collapsed

:02:44. > :02:46.buildings, trying to find survivors Troops are helping with the rescue

:02:47. > :02:54.effort. The country's president -

:02:55. > :02:57.who has cut short a visit to Rome - says that 272 people are now known

:02:58. > :03:00.to have died, but he fears Meanwhile, we've learnt a nun

:03:01. > :03:03.from Northern Ireland is among the dead -

:03:04. > :03:05.Sister Clare Theresa Crockett was working in a school

:03:06. > :03:08.in Playa Prieta. Reports of a drone hitting

:03:09. > :03:11.a British Airways aircraft landing at Heathrow are being

:03:12. > :03:13.investigated by police. The flight from Geneva was struck

:03:14. > :03:15.as it approached the airport with 132 passengers and five

:03:16. > :03:22.crew on board. It's believed to be the first

:03:23. > :03:25.incident of its kind in the UK. A mother of five children has told

:03:26. > :03:29.this programme about her agony - after her newborn son was taken

:03:30. > :03:33.from her and put into care. The woman - we're

:03:34. > :03:41.calling her Annie - has had several of her five

:03:42. > :03:44.kids taken from her, but successfully fought

:03:45. > :03:46.to get her youngest back. Annie suffers from a history

:03:47. > :03:49.of mental health problems - Two 14-year-olds charged

:03:50. > :03:53.with murdering a woman and her teenage daughter are due

:03:54. > :03:56.to appear in court. The victims, named by

:03:57. > :03:57.police as 49-year-old Elizabeth Edwards and her thirteen

:03:58. > :04:00.year old daughter Katie, were found at a property

:04:01. > :04:03.in Lincolnshire on Friday. A high-profile MP suspended

:04:04. > :04:08.from the Labour party over allegations of sexting,

:04:09. > :04:12.who's also being investigated for false expense claims,

:04:13. > :04:15.has told this programme he's not Simon Danczuk is due to hear this

:04:16. > :04:20.week whether he broke parliamentary rules for claiming money for two

:04:21. > :04:23.children who did not routinely live with him.

:04:24. > :04:27.He says he accepts responsibility. It is an honest mistake.

:04:28. > :04:36.That's the reality of it. I should have checked the rules

:04:37. > :04:38.and regulations much more I relied on a member of the team

:04:39. > :04:43.to tell me what the rules were. I should have read them myself

:04:44. > :04:45.and I didn't do. I prioritised campaigning over these

:04:46. > :04:48.administration work that IPSA sets out for you and that's

:04:49. > :04:50.where the mistake occurred. But I take full responsibility

:04:51. > :04:56.for it and I'll pay the money back. Children from poorer households

:04:57. > :04:58.are losing out in the competition for places at the best

:04:59. > :05:01.primary schools in England, according to research by Teach

:05:02. > :05:04.First. The education charity,

:05:05. > :05:09.which helps provide teachers in low-income communities,

:05:10. > :05:11.says a bias against less well-off children is unfair

:05:12. > :05:14.and a waste of talent. Families across England will learn

:05:15. > :05:19.today where their children Brazil's lower house of Congress has

:05:20. > :05:23.voted for the impeachment of the country's president,

:05:24. > :05:25.Dilma Rousseff, to go ahead. She denies manipulating government

:05:26. > :05:27.accounts and says plans The impeachment battle has paralysed

:05:28. > :05:37.the activity of government, just four months before the country

:05:38. > :05:40.is due to host the Olympics In Australia, dog smuggling charges

:05:41. > :05:43.against Johnny Depp's wife Amber Heard have been dropped,

:05:44. > :05:45.after she admitted lying The 29 year old pleaded guilty

:05:46. > :05:50.to making a false statement to immigration about the couple's

:05:51. > :05:54.Yorkshire terriers Pistol and Boo. She brought the dogs to Queensland

:05:55. > :05:57.in a private jet while her husband The couple has released a short

:05:58. > :06:04.statement, apologising for breaking Australia is free of many

:06:05. > :06:13.pests and diseases that That is why Australia has to have

:06:14. > :06:16.such strong bio-security And Australians are just as unique -

:06:17. > :06:20.both warm and direct. When you disrespect

:06:21. > :06:22.Australian law, they I am truly sorry that

:06:23. > :06:26.Pistol and Boo were That's a summary of

:06:27. > :06:42.the latest BBC News. We will bring you the Chancellor

:06:43. > :06:47.George Osborne's speech live in a couple more minutes. Thank you to

:06:48. > :06:53.those who have got in touch, thickly over the MP Simon Danczuk and the

:06:54. > :06:57.mum who fought to get her some back from car. One says, I'm so glad

:06:58. > :07:00.someone is shedding light on this. I had to fight for my son for six

:07:01. > :07:06.years and had fights with social services. Women are not allowed to

:07:07. > :07:09.make this public because of court restrictions, it is soul destroying

:07:10. > :07:14.and has affected much of my life. And another, in 2001, my fourth

:07:15. > :07:19.child was taken from leaks from the room I gave birth in, despite no

:07:20. > :07:27.harm ever coming to a child in my care. -- taken from the

:07:28. > :07:34.. Fate they took those children because I asked for help, I kept my

:07:35. > :07:39.fifth child, he stayed with me even though my circumstances where the

:07:40. > :07:43.same as when they took my baby at birth. Social services gave me an

:07:44. > :07:48.assessment keep my fifth child but not my fourth. And another viewer, a

:07:49. > :07:53.moving story about the woman whose baby was taken from her, respect

:07:54. > :07:58.her, very brave. On the MP Simon Danczuk, who told us earlier he is

:07:59. > :08:02.not an expenses cheat and he made an honest mistake, he admitted he did

:08:03. > :08:08.not read the expenses rules and denied using his children subsidise

:08:09. > :08:18.his rent. One viewer says, not a fit and proper person for public office,

:08:19. > :08:22.and self serving individuals and another says, saying the landlord

:08:23. > :08:23.gets the money anyway is why we hate politicians. Thank you.

:08:24. > :08:26.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:08:27. > :08:29.use the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text, you will be charged

:08:30. > :08:33.Jessica has the sport and quite a bit of fallout from Leicester's

:08:34. > :08:36.West Ham striker Andy Carroll has accused the referee

:08:37. > :08:39.in their game with Leicester, of trying to "even things up."

:08:40. > :08:41.Official Jonathan Moss awarded Leicester a penalty in the dying

:08:42. > :08:44.minutes which rescued them a point in the 2-2 draw.

:08:45. > :08:46.Pundits and players have criticised Moss for some of his

:08:47. > :08:51.Leicester's Jamie Vardy was sent off after receiving two yellow cards.

:08:52. > :08:53.His second for this, which the ref said was diving.

:08:54. > :08:57.And in the fifth minute of injury time, Moss pointed

:08:58. > :09:02.Andy Carroll was believed to have brought down Jeff Schlupp.

:09:03. > :09:05.The result keeps Leicester at the top of the table,

:09:06. > :09:17.At the end I feel like you just try to equal the game up and give them a

:09:18. > :09:21.penalty. For me and the lads are clearly wasn't. You feel Jonathan

:09:22. > :09:26.Moss wanted to give them something? I think so, I think that's what he

:09:27. > :09:31.was going for. Other than that I cannot see how he has given it. He

:09:32. > :09:33.gave a touch pass me, I stopped the run, he ran straight into me and

:09:34. > :09:35.there is nothing I can do. There was a shock in Old Firm derby

:09:36. > :09:38.as Rangers beat Celtic on penalties It was 1-1 after 90 minutes before

:09:39. > :09:42.Rangers went ahead thanks to this superb strike

:09:43. > :09:46.from Barrie McKay. But Celtic equalised again,

:09:47. > :09:48.as Tom Rogic's goal took the game It was Rogic's miss that saw Rangers

:09:49. > :09:54.through to next month's One other football line for you,

:09:55. > :10:01.the women's FA Cup Final will be contested by Arsenal Ladies

:10:02. > :10:03.and Chelsea Ladies. Both teams won their

:10:04. > :10:04.semi-finals yesterday. Rafa Nadal has claimed the 68th

:10:05. > :10:16.title of his career, beating Gael Monfils in three sets

:10:17. > :10:21.in the final of the Monte Carlo Nadal knocked Andy Murray

:10:22. > :10:27.out in the semi-finals. He has now won nine titles

:10:28. > :10:29.in the principality, I spoke to snooker legend

:10:30. > :10:34.Steve Davis last Friday about his new career

:10:35. > :10:39.as a DJ. And as one door opens,

:10:40. > :10:41.another closes, with the six-time World Snooker Champion announcing

:10:42. > :10:46.his retirement at the age of 58. Davis became one of the sports

:10:47. > :10:51.biggest names in the 80s and won the BBC Sports Personality

:10:52. > :10:53.of the Year in 1988. Fittingly he announced

:10:54. > :10:55.the news at the Crucible - the scene of so many

:10:56. > :11:03.of his greatest triumphs. I wasn't particularly delighted, I

:11:04. > :11:08.thought I was just pushing the boundaries anyway and thought they

:11:09. > :11:16.would continue forever. Until Stephen Hendry came along! And

:11:17. > :11:18.ruined it all... Best of luck to Steve.

:11:19. > :11:26.Thank you, Jessica. Every household will be more

:11:27. > :11:28.than ?4000 worse off That's the claim from Chancellor

:11:29. > :11:32.George Osborne this morning. Before that, we can speak

:11:33. > :11:47.to our political guru Norman Smith. Where does he get this figure from?

:11:48. > :11:52.Well, he got it from 200 pages of analysis here. Boiled down what they

:11:53. > :11:57.did was took the example of Canada, which has negotiated its own deal

:11:58. > :12:02.with the EU and looked at all the tariffs and restrictions Canada

:12:03. > :12:06.faces in terms of trading with the EU. It said if you replicated that

:12:07. > :12:11.in Britain, it would hit us extremely hard. They calculate by

:12:12. > :12:17.2030 we will be something like 6% worse off in terms of the overall

:12:18. > :12:20.wealth. If you average that out in terms of individual households, it

:12:21. > :12:24.is more than ?4000 per household. I have just had a look through the

:12:25. > :12:28.document, it also suggests we will be something like ?30 billion worse

:12:29. > :12:35.off in terms of tax receipts, in other words public services will be

:12:36. > :12:40.short of billions of pounds worth of cash. The point about this is its

:12:41. > :12:45.basically George Osborne's the zoo car. His big argument he hopes will

:12:46. > :12:50.kind of blows the Brexit team out of the water. What he's saying is

:12:51. > :13:03.Britain will be poorer, permanently. -- taught Osborne's big temper

:13:04. > :13:10.bazooka. That will be the big argument he hopes will win this

:13:11. > :13:15.referendum campaign. For him it is a very big day. We will be with you as

:13:16. > :13:19.soon as Mr Osborne begins to speak. We will bring that to you as soon as

:13:20. > :13:23.it starts. Leicester have extended their lead at the top of the Premier

:13:24. > :13:26.League by eight points but the game had quite a bit of controversy

:13:27. > :13:31.yesterday when star striker Jamie Vardy were sent off, reducing the

:13:32. > :13:35.team to ten men. Leicester's story so far has been a football fairy

:13:36. > :13:38.tale. This time last year they were bottom of the Premier League and

:13:39. > :13:42.facing relegation and now they are at the top and have been for ages.

:13:43. > :13:46.We have been following their story for some time through the eyes of

:13:47. > :14:14.two supporters who have been keeping video diaries. Here is the latest.

:14:15. > :14:16.Very nervous today, West Ham play nice attacking football, so

:14:17. > :14:19.I don't think they'll park the bus, but the atmosphere should

:14:20. > :14:22.be absolutely fantastic down the King Power.

:14:23. > :14:26.We just need to go there today, and we just do

:14:27. > :14:28.what we keep doing, which is being Leicester City.

:14:29. > :14:30.It doesn't make it any less nerve-wracking

:14:31. > :14:38.Please, for my sake, Leicester, just do some good

:14:39. > :14:41.and get an early goal today to calm my dad down, please.

:14:42. > :14:44.we've now picked up Big Ann and Wendy.

:14:45. > :14:49.And all the are fans on the way to the stadium,

:14:50. > :14:55.we're a little bit late, because we hade to keep going back,

:14:56. > :14:56.because everybody forgot their lucky earrings

:14:57. > :14:59.or their lucky scarf or their lucky socks.

:15:00. > :15:01.but you're not seeing my lucky knickers!

:15:02. > :15:08.'I do not want to hear that line about knickers!'

:15:09. > :15:11.Unlike Channel 1, there's nobody there.

:15:12. > :15:14.About to go in now, hopefully to see Leicester pick up another three

:15:15. > :15:25.to winning our Barclays Premiership game.

:15:26. > :15:28.# You can give it to me when I need to come along

:15:29. > :15:40.Half-time at the King Power, Leicester are 1-0 up,

:15:41. > :15:42.and I think Tom Daley is playing for West Ham,

:15:43. > :15:45.because there's been more dives that have got a perfect ten

:15:46. > :15:53.There is an air of tension in the ground,

:15:54. > :16:06.and I think everybody knows how much the three points means to us here.

:16:07. > :16:14.Dramatic twist in the title race, because Leicester

:16:15. > :16:18.are down to ten men, and Jamie Vardy has been sent off!

:16:19. > :16:19.Leicester haven't conceded in five matches,

:16:20. > :16:25.It's turned right around at the King Power Stadium,

:16:26. > :16:28.because West Ham have scored a second goal.

:16:29. > :16:31.Well, we have now only seconds left, 20 seconds to play.

:16:32. > :16:34.Yes, he sends Adrian the wrong way,

:16:35. > :16:43.and Leicester have salvaged what could be an all-important point.

:16:44. > :16:45.We are just walking back to the car now after the match,

:16:46. > :16:50.and literally all you can hear is everybody talking about the referee.

:16:51. > :16:55.If Jamie Vardy died, he dived, and if he did dive,

:16:56. > :16:59.He was like the pantomime villain today.

:17:00. > :17:02.Onwards and upwards, it has put a whole dampener

:17:03. > :17:05.on what was an absolutely cracking match.

:17:06. > :17:07.We carry on fighting, though, right to the end.

:17:08. > :17:09.And come on, Leicester, we are a point closer

:17:10. > :17:11.to getting that Premier League title.

:17:12. > :17:17.So build a bridge, get over it, we've dropped two points.

:17:18. > :17:53.Many favourite bits, but the bit where Gary says, "One word, the

:17:54. > :17:55.referee." And we'll keep following Sandra

:17:56. > :17:57.and Gary over the course You can find all the video diaries

:17:58. > :18:11.on our programme page - Right, I have got so many messages

:18:12. > :18:18.about your interview with Simon Danczuk. This 2003er wants to know

:18:19. > :18:22.if Simon Danczuk received a fee from the BBC? No, we don't pay guests for

:18:23. > :18:31.interviews. Jerome on Twitter says, "This is why the public think MPs

:18:32. > :18:37.are untruth worthy and corrupt." Don on Twitter says to Simon dan choork,

:18:38. > :18:42."That was a disastrous attempt to explain away your conduct." Robert

:18:43. > :18:46.tweets, "If a poor benefit's claimant fiddled the amount that

:18:47. > :18:52.Danczuk has, it would be a stretch as a guest of Her Majesty." Kath

:18:53. > :18:56.says, "Shouldn't be able to claim money for family visiting and

:18:57. > :19:00.staying over. That should come out of your pay." Sue says, "Is this

:19:01. > :19:06.really the calibre of MP this country needs?" And this one from

:19:07. > :19:11.Kath says, "I love how MPs get off with this, but hard up folk claiming

:19:12. > :19:18.extra benefits get taken to court for fraud. It stinks." Thank you for

:19:19. > :19:21.those. Keep them coming in. We are expecting George Osborne, the

:19:22. > :19:27.Chancellor, to begin his speech around now to talk about how much he

:19:28. > :19:30.says, he believes or the Treasury believes it will cost each household

:19:31. > :19:35.in the UK if you vote to leave the European Union. Let's go back to

:19:36. > :19:46.Norman Smith who is in Bristol where Mr Osborne is about to explain why

:19:47. > :19:55.it will cost your household ?4300 if there is a vote to leave. Where is

:19:56. > :20:00.he? He is out the back. With him is Stephen Crabb and Liz Truss, the

:20:01. > :20:04.Chancellor will get up and set out his case and we will have mini

:20:05. > :20:07.speeches from the ministers, and the Chancellor will wrap up. This is a

:20:08. > :20:13.document, 200 pages long, you asked me how did the Chancellor reach his

:20:14. > :20:20.calculations. Boy, oh boy, you would have to be some relative of Einstein

:20:21. > :20:24.to work it out! How do you work that out? That's hugely complex, but

:20:25. > :20:30.that's the sort of sums the boffins in the Treasury have been doing to

:20:31. > :20:37.come up with this Figg to say we would be 6% GDP, 6% worse off. Is

:20:38. > :20:47.that not some equation! Try and say that out loud. I'm not sure I could

:20:48. > :21:00.do that. Oh my god, really? Yes! OK. Here we go, INDFI equals A plus A 1,

:21:01. > :21:06.YIT plus A to the power of 2, YJ 2, IN to the power of I, do you want me

:21:07. > :21:12.to go on with this? That's not auto even half-way through. This is some

:21:13. > :21:18.sum! There will be someone really, really clever watching. Let's have a

:21:19. > :21:22.look... You reckon? If someone can send us an explanation of how that

:21:23. > :21:28.gets to the sum of ?4300 then please, please do because that will

:21:29. > :21:34.be fascinating because... I have another theory. This is all bluff.

:21:35. > :21:38.It is designed to intimidate anyone from challenging his sums, he will

:21:39. > :21:42.say, "You work that out and people say, "Oh Christ no, I don't think I

:21:43. > :21:46.can do that." It gives you some amount of the time and effort the

:21:47. > :21:50.Treasury put into this. Although it is stuffed full of facts, it is a

:21:51. > :21:56.forecast and a hugely long-term forecast. A lot of people say this

:21:57. > :21:59.is mystic Meg country, it is crystal ball country, you are talking about

:22:00. > :22:02.something 15 years away and forecasting what's going to happen

:22:03. > :22:07.next week is hard enough, never mind in 15 years time and that will be

:22:08. > :22:10.the central criticism of this. I wonder what will get through toll

:22:11. > :22:15.people? Will it be the people who want to exit the European Union, the

:22:16. > :22:18.campaigners in this country saying, "This is the most ridiculous

:22:19. > :22:24.forecast ever, I cannot believe how the Chancellor has come up with

:22:25. > :22:28.this." Will it be the ?4300 Figg? I mean, difficult to say, but I tend

:22:29. > :22:32.to think in these referendums, there is usually just one or two things

:22:33. > :22:36.which people latch on to. If you look at the Scottish referendum, the

:22:37. > :22:39.kind of turning or the game changer in that referendum was this thought

:22:40. > :22:44.of, what's going to happen to the pound? What will your currency be

:22:45. > :22:49.and people think hang on a second, what will the currency be? Sometimes

:22:50. > :22:52.a single idea can be the Trump idea and that is basically what the

:22:53. > :22:55.Chancellor hopes. He doesn't expect anyone to go through this. He

:22:56. > :22:58.certainly doesn't expect anyone to answer the equation, but what he

:22:59. > :23:03.kind of hopes is people will think gosh, I'm going to be poorer

:23:04. > :23:06.forever. That's a really big claim and he hopes that will make people

:23:07. > :23:11.just stand back and think, you know what, I don't think I want to take

:23:12. > :23:14.this risk. So for them, it is a really big claim. This is the key

:23:15. > :23:18.card which they are putting down on the table and basically saying to

:23:19. > :23:22.families up and down the UK, you have got to realise you go for

:23:23. > :23:28.Brexit, it won't be a short-term hiccup or currency instability, not

:23:29. > :23:31.just a temporary shock, had is forever, you, the nation, will be

:23:32. > :23:36.worse off. It is a massive claim to make. Yeah. As far as I can tell,

:23:37. > :23:40.almost every claim that those who want Britain to, you know, that want

:23:41. > :23:44.people to vote to stay in, to remain in the European Union, every single

:23:45. > :23:49.claim is rubbished by those who want to leave. I wonder if that is

:23:50. > :23:54.credible? Well, I think the difficulty with that is you kind of

:23:55. > :23:58.get into a crying wolf syndrome in that every time the Chancellor or

:23:59. > :24:01.someone produces one of these documents they go...

:24:02. > :24:06.PROBLEM WITH SOUND Scare people and it is like crying

:24:07. > :24:10.wolf, wolf, over and over again. The difficulty, the Brexit camp have is

:24:11. > :24:15.they can't produce this sort of document. These sort of Figgs, this

:24:16. > :24:18.arithmetic, these facts. Why? Because no one ever has walked out

:24:19. > :24:23.of the EU, there is no one they can model it on. There is no one they

:24:24. > :24:26.can look at and say, "Looking at what they do, they are massively

:24:27. > :24:31.better off from getting out of the EU." So what they are left with

:24:32. > :24:35.asserting that they think Britain would flourish outside the EU

:24:36. > :24:40.because we would be liberated from endless red tapement we wouldn't be

:24:41. > :24:45.chucking loads of money into the EU budget, we would become a more

:24:46. > :24:50.self-confident, buck nearing nation. They can't point to such a such a

:24:51. > :24:54.country did it and they are growing much better than the rest of the EU.

:24:55. > :25:01.That's why when we heard the Chancellor on the wireless, he was

:25:02. > :25:05.throwning down the gauntlet to the Brexiters and saying, "Where is your

:25:06. > :25:09.document?" They can't produce a document and they can only make the

:25:10. > :25:16.argument and hope that resonates with people and they think, "We

:25:17. > :25:20.might be better off. The EU is a burden." It is an appeal to people's

:25:21. > :25:23.instincts, they can't produce the facts which is hugely to the

:25:24. > :25:25.Government's advantage. Added to which they have got the whole

:25:26. > :25:29.Government machine churning out these things so they have got a load

:25:30. > :25:34.of brainy people who are able to do these sums and that is, I think,

:25:35. > :25:38.quite a big advantage for Team Cameron and George Osborne and so

:25:39. > :25:45.on. A couple of comments about the equation, Norman. First of all,

:25:46. > :25:50.Suzie on Twitter says, "Just because you lot can't do complicated maths

:25:51. > :25:53.doesn't mean the formula is wrong." Johnny says, "Without knowing the

:25:54. > :25:57.value of A then it may not be possible to reach the said total,

:25:58. > :26:04.but if I see the rest of the paper then maybe." Says Coffee Johnny and

:26:05. > :26:10.Paul tweets, "The formula proves if you cannot blind them with science,

:26:11. > :26:17.baffle them with absolute nonsense, it's simple." I have to tell you,

:26:18. > :26:23.Vic, before I took my maths O listen level back in the year dot, my maths

:26:24. > :26:29.teacher wrote one sentence in my school report which was, "Things

:26:30. > :26:33.look bleak." I can't do maths. I am the last person to ask what this is

:26:34. > :26:38.about, you know, numbers, total disaster. I haven't a clue! Maybe it

:26:39. > :26:43.can go on mastermind or something like that, there is no way I can get

:26:44. > :26:47.to grips with this, I am afraid. Since thence looks looked up for

:26:48. > :26:50.you, Norman! He is not there, the Chancellor, we

:26:51. > :26:52.will take the news headlines and we will come back to you, if that's all

:26:53. > :27:04.right. See you in a bit. Leaving the EU could cost every UK

:27:05. > :27:06.household ?4,300 year by 2030, according to a report

:27:07. > :27:08.by the Treasury. A 200-page document published

:27:09. > :27:17.by the Chancellor, argues that the British economy

:27:18. > :27:19.would shrink by 6% because trade barriers would be

:27:20. > :27:21.higher, hitting exports. Vote Leave has dismissed

:27:22. > :27:23.the document as just another "erroneous pro-EU

:27:24. > :27:24.economic assessment". Rescue teams in Ecuador have

:27:25. > :27:27.spent the night searching through the debris of collapsed

:27:28. > :27:29.buildings, trying to find survivors Troops are helping

:27:30. > :27:34.with the rescue effort, but the country's president says

:27:35. > :27:39.that 272 people are already known to have died and he fears

:27:40. > :27:42.that number will rise. Meanwhile we've learnt a nun

:27:43. > :27:46.from Northern Ireland Sister Clare Theresa

:27:47. > :27:59.Crockett was working Back to Victoria. The Chancellor is

:28:00. > :28:07.about to start speaking. Well, here he is. I am joined by

:28:08. > :28:12.Liz, Stephen and Amber. The engineers, the scientists, the

:28:13. > :28:21.designers o who work here to deliver world leading research and

:28:22. > :28:30.innovation in composites, one second toor that benefits from the work of

:28:31. > :28:37.the National Composite Centre is aerospace. Half of everything our

:28:38. > :28:42.aerospace sector exports is sold to the European Union and our aerospace

:28:43. > :28:47.industry relies on imports from Europe to make their finished

:28:48. > :28:52.products. And we're here to talk about Europe today. In a little over

:28:53. > :28:55.two months time, the people of the United Kingdom will decide whether

:28:56. > :28:59.our country should remain in the European Union or leave it. It is

:29:00. > :29:04.the biggest decision for a generation. One that will have

:29:05. > :29:08.profound consequences for our economy, our living standards, and

:29:09. > :29:12.for Britain's role in the world. But what many people are saying at the

:29:13. > :29:17.moment is they don't have enough facts and information to make an

:29:18. > :29:24.informed decision. And so it is up to all of us who fought so hard to

:29:25. > :29:26.give people this referendum, so that they could take this momentous

:29:27. > :29:34.decision to provide those facts and that information. That's what today,

:29:35. > :29:37.the Government is doing, by publishing a comprehensive treasury

:29:38. > :29:43.analysis for the long-term economic impacts of EU membership, and the

:29:44. > :29:47.alternatives. This is a sober and serious look at the costs and

:29:48. > :29:52.benefits of remaining in the EU or leaving it. Not just for Britain,

:29:53. > :29:57.but for the individual families of Britain. To put it simply - are you

:29:58. > :30:02.better off or worse off if Britain leaves the EU? Has your family got

:30:03. > :30:07.more money each year or less? And is there more or less money available

:30:08. > :30:12.to your Government to spend on public services, and lower taxes? To

:30:13. > :30:17.find the answer to those questions, the Treasury has gone back to first

:30:18. > :30:20.principles and looked at the current costs and benefits of our membership

:30:21. > :30:25.of the European Union, essentially what we put in, and what we get out.

:30:26. > :30:29.We've also looked at how that would change if the EU were to reform

:30:30. > :30:34.along the lines it has committed itself to. And we've look at the

:30:35. > :30:40.costs and benefits of leaving the European Union. Not the immediate

:30:41. > :30:45.shock, a future treasury study will look in detail at that, but rather

:30:46. > :30:48.the long-term impact that our exit from the EU would have on family

:30:49. > :30:56.finances, and the nation's finances. We've done that by examining in

:30:57. > :31:01.detail what the alternatives to EU membership would be like for

:31:02. > :31:04.Britain's economy. We know now pretty clearly what those

:31:05. > :31:07.alternatives might be, although we do not know which one Britain would

:31:08. > :31:13.pick or our European neighbours would axe at. There is seeking

:31:14. > :31:17.membership of the European economic area, where you get access to part

:31:18. > :31:22.of the single market that you have to pay into the EU and axe at free

:31:23. > :31:27.movement, without any say over either. That is the Norway model.

:31:28. > :31:32.There is relying on our existing mention of the World Trade

:31:33. > :31:37.Organisation, where like Russia Brazil, you put nothing into the EU

:31:38. > :31:42.but get nothing out in terms of preferential access. That is the WTO

:31:43. > :31:46.model. Then there is a halfway house of trying to negotiate a bilateral

:31:47. > :31:51.trade with the EU, where you get some trade access but you are not

:31:52. > :31:55.part of the single market. That is the Canada model. It is a complete

:31:56. > :31:59.fantasy to claim we could negotiate some other deal, where we have

:32:00. > :32:16.access to the EU's single market that don't have to accept the

:32:17. > :32:19.costs and obligations of EU mentorship. Other member states have

:32:20. > :32:22.made it very clear in recent weeks that that is not on offer. And how

:32:23. > :32:24.could it be? How could other European countries give us a better

:32:25. > :32:27.deal than they have given themselves? And never forget, that

:32:28. > :32:30.while 44% of our exports go to the rest of the EU, less than 8% of

:32:31. > :32:32.their exports come to us. So in today's analysis we look at the

:32:33. > :32:35.costs and benefits of our existing membership of the EU and tests that

:32:36. > :32:42.against three realistic alternative models, like that of Norway, the WTO

:32:43. > :32:46.and Canada. And shortly I will ask my colleagues to go through each

:32:47. > :32:51.alternative in turn. But first, let me say something about the

:32:52. > :32:58.underlying economic assumptions were made and the where this analysis

:32:59. > :33:02.rests. We assumed the underlying objective of economic policies to

:33:03. > :33:06.increase living standards through the creation of jobs, rising

:33:07. > :33:10.household incomes and low and stable prices for consumers. You may have

:33:11. > :33:20.other policy objectives that you think from those objectives, but the

:33:21. > :33:25.main thing is higher living standards. Those living standards

:33:26. > :33:29.are driven by long-term improvements in productivity, in other words,

:33:30. > :33:35.increasing the value of what British workers reduce per hour. It is also

:33:36. > :33:40.a well-established doctrine of British economic thinking over

:33:41. > :33:46.centuries, the greater economic openness and connectedness, helps

:33:47. > :33:53.raise productivity. That is because greater openness to trade increases

:33:54. > :33:58.incentives for firms to operate and gives them increased finance, which

:33:59. > :34:04.allows them to employ people and gives consumers access to more

:34:05. > :34:08.choice and lower prices. I accept those -- there are those that

:34:09. > :34:13.advocate a different economic approach, a closed economy with no

:34:14. > :34:17.free trade and no politician and no private business, but that has never

:34:18. > :34:23.been a consensus in Britain or the rest of the world these last few

:34:24. > :34:26.decades. And those most prominent in advocating our withdrawal from the

:34:27. > :34:32.EU, do so in part with the claim it will lead to free trade and free

:34:33. > :34:36.markets, so they share these basic assumptions about the advantages of

:34:37. > :34:41.the economic openness as well. In this document the Treasury assessed

:34:42. > :34:45.the alternatives to EU membership and see whether they enhance or

:34:46. > :34:52.diminish our economic openness and interconnectedness and by how much.

:34:53. > :34:57.First is market access increased or reduced? Do British businesses and

:34:58. > :35:02.consumers face carrots and quotas and unfair competition or other

:35:03. > :35:07.barriers? Second, is Britain's economic influence in enhanced or

:35:08. > :35:11.curtailed? What say do we have over the rules and the standards that

:35:12. > :35:16.apply to the goods and services we trade in? And third, are the costs

:35:17. > :35:22.to Britain greater or less? What do we end up paying for a different

:35:23. > :35:26.trading relationship? We know the answer to these tests with Britain's

:35:27. > :35:30.current membership of the EU. When it comes to market access there are

:35:31. > :35:35.no tariffs or quotas applied to British exports to 500 million

:35:36. > :35:40.consumers who live in the European union. But a single market is about

:35:41. > :35:46.more than the absence of quotas and tariffs, it means common standards,

:35:47. > :35:51.so there aren't invisible barriers and obstacles to trade. So, for

:35:52. > :35:55.example, when a highly skilled, to is building a car, they know it can

:35:56. > :36:00.be sold directly and without any hindrance into the continent of

:36:01. > :36:03.Europe. It also means a British-based architect or engineer

:36:04. > :36:09.can get off the plane in Munich or Madrid and immediately start doing

:36:10. > :36:13.business. And it means any European airline can offer the best service

:36:14. > :36:17.at the best price, to provide that journey. That's what the single

:36:18. > :36:23.market means. The Treasury analysis shows the EU's membership has

:36:24. > :36:27.increased trade with EU members by around three quarters. Greater

:36:28. > :36:32.openness leading to higher productivity and writing living

:36:33. > :36:36.standards. We also know that our current EU mentorship gives us

:36:37. > :36:42.influence over the rules and standards of that single market. We

:36:43. > :36:46.have votes over what they are, our commissioners can help design, our

:36:47. > :36:50.ministers and elected MEPs can shape them and on key issues like common

:36:51. > :36:55.tax standards, we have an absolute veto. But we're not in the single

:36:56. > :37:00.currency, we are not in the Schengen free border area, so we have a

:37:01. > :37:04.special status in the EU. That gives us the best of both worlds,

:37:05. > :37:07.influence over the single market without the obligations that

:37:08. > :37:12.membership of the euro and open borders would bring. And we know

:37:13. > :37:19.what the costs and the financial rewards of being in the EU are. We

:37:20. > :37:21.pay into the EU budget, but our citizens, businesses and

:37:22. > :37:27.universities also receive money from the EU budget. The net direct cost

:37:28. > :37:33.is the equivalent to a little over 1p for every ?1 we raise in taxes.

:37:34. > :37:36.But we also have received over ?1 trillion of overseas investment into

:37:37. > :37:42.Britain, much of it driven by the fact we are in the EU and its single

:37:43. > :37:46.market. Indeed, we have received more of this overseas investment

:37:47. > :37:51.than any other EU member state and that drives better jobs, rising

:37:52. > :37:56.living standards and it brings money into the Exchequer to spend on

:37:57. > :38:01.public services. So we know how our existing mensch above the EU

:38:02. > :38:06.performs against these tests of openness and interconnectedness. And

:38:07. > :38:11.we know the advantages that future reform of the EU can bring for

:38:12. > :38:15.Britain, for the EU is not perfect. The single market can be expanded,

:38:16. > :38:20.the costs can be reduced and the influence of member states can be

:38:21. > :38:24.enhanced. That's what the new settlement, negotiated by the Prime

:38:25. > :38:28.Minister, supported by the Cabinet, delivers. The Treasury analysis

:38:29. > :38:33.shows achieving EU wide reforms to deepen the single market and

:38:34. > :38:34.complete major ongoing trade deals offers a huge prize for Britain.

:38:35. > :38:52.They could add up to 4% to our GDP over the coming 15 years, and that

:38:53. > :38:54.is equivalent to thousands of pounds more per household. So Britain's

:38:55. > :38:57.membership of the European Union contributes to the openness of our

:38:58. > :38:58.economy and that leads to higher quality jobs, rising living

:38:59. > :39:01.standards and lower prices. We know there will be better jobs, higher

:39:02. > :39:05.living standards and lower prices if Europe reforms. That is the future

:39:06. > :39:12.on offer... In a reformed EU, a future where we are stronger, safer

:39:13. > :39:14.and that off. So what does the Treasury's rigorous economic

:39:15. > :39:19.analysis show about the alternatives question at this is where I am going

:39:20. > :39:24.to hand over to my colleagues, and ask them to go through each of the

:39:25. > :39:27.alternative models, like that of Norway, the World Trade Organisation

:39:28. > :39:34.and Canada, and look at what they would mean for British families.

:39:35. > :39:37.Liz. The document published today shows how one of the big advantages

:39:38. > :39:43.of being in the European Union is the ability we have... Let's leave

:39:44. > :39:46.George Osborne and his speech in Bristol, handing over to his

:39:47. > :39:49.colleagues. Plenty of you watching what he had to say, listening to

:39:50. > :39:53.what he had to say this morning. Trying to work out his formula,

:39:54. > :39:57.which Norman Smith showed a seller, the equation in the 200 page

:39:58. > :40:00.document, which comes to the conclusion of Britain votes to leave

:40:01. > :40:07.the EU it will cost each household ?4300. One viewer an e-mail says he

:40:08. > :40:12.has worked out the equation. Even if it is true, how is 6% equal to ?4300

:40:13. > :40:17.question at the income for each household would need to be ?80,000

:40:18. > :40:23.after tax. Another says they have worked out the formula and they get

:40:24. > :40:26.?4298. Where does George Osborne get the extra ?2 question mark and an

:40:27. > :40:30.anonymous e-mail says the equation is a regression model, which is to

:40:31. > :40:37.some extent subjective. That's just what I was thinking! Whether a

:40:38. > :40:42.variable has been submitted or not is debatable. A similar equation

:40:43. > :40:45.could come up with something very different. Thank you for those. We

:40:46. > :40:51.are trying to get someone on before the end of the programme to work out

:40:52. > :40:54.the equation on air for us. This e-mail about Simon Danczuk said in

:40:55. > :40:58.defence of him, we interviewed him earlier and he spoke to us, to

:40:59. > :41:03.anybody for the first time about his Parliamentary expenses and the fact

:41:04. > :41:06.he has to pay back ?11,500 and wrongly claimed expenses, a viewer

:41:07. > :41:23.says he has or the accepted he did wrong and

:41:24. > :41:27.agreed to pay the money back. It could have been an honest mistake so

:41:28. > :41:29.we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Would we rather the House

:41:30. > :41:31.of Commons is filled with one-dimensional people who do not

:41:32. > :41:34.reflect the diversity of the public, or rather it was filled with people

:41:35. > :41:37.that act the same and make the same sort of mistakes as many of the

:41:38. > :41:39.public? Thank you for those. This news just in about Philip Hammond,

:41:40. > :41:42.making an unannounced visit to Libya, in a show of support for the

:41:43. > :41:44.country's new UN backed a unity government. The Foreign Secretary

:41:45. > :41:47.Philip Hammond is in Libya, an unannounced visit to Libya in

:41:48. > :41:49.support for the country's new UN backed national unity government. It

:41:50. > :42:16.is 10:41am. Good morning. The family of woman. The Mac

:42:17. > :42:21.purposely missing her insulin jabs to drop dress sizes. It is a

:42:22. > :42:24.condition known as Diabulimia. I have been speaking to Katie and

:42:25. > :42:31.Matthew Edwards, her sister and brother-in-law. Katie told me about

:42:32. > :42:35.her sister. She is very happy, intelligent, outgoing, she had loads

:42:36. > :42:41.of friends, she loved the job. She loved going on holiday. She was very

:42:42. > :42:47.particular about things. She was my sister. She had so many friends, she

:42:48. > :42:54.always went the extra mile for them all the time. She was very caring.

:42:55. > :42:59.When do you remember, do you think the eating disorder took hold of

:43:00. > :43:03.her? How long ago was that? She found out she was type one diabetic

:43:04. > :43:08.when she was about 14. I think they come hand in hand, to be completely

:43:09. > :43:12.honest. When she became diabetic, she had to start watching her sugar

:43:13. > :43:18.levels and watching what she eats because diabetics cannot eat certain

:43:19. > :43:25.things. I think that magnified to looking at everything she ate. I

:43:26. > :43:31.think it was just about then, her mid teens, 14 and 15, when you are

:43:32. > :43:35.at school and your friends are going out, putting that dress on, I think

:43:36. > :43:39.that's when it started. I think that is when me and my family started

:43:40. > :43:44.noticing happening. What did you notice happening as a family? She

:43:45. > :43:48.lost a lot of weight. Her natural body was similar to me and she was

:43:49. > :43:55.wearing clothes I couldn't get my arm in. They were very small. Her

:43:56. > :44:01.behaviour, as well. I know sugar levels can affect your mood, but she

:44:02. > :44:05.was like a hermit. She would spend all her time in her room. She didn't

:44:06. > :44:10.want to talk to anyone. She didn't ever really tell me and my mum how

:44:11. > :44:16.she was feeling. She does kind of went in on herself. In terms of

:44:17. > :44:22.losing that much weight, did you know then that she was deliberately

:44:23. > :44:27.not taking the insulin, in order to lose weight? Over the years she has

:44:28. > :44:31.done different things. In the earlier years it was more that she

:44:32. > :44:36.wasn't eating, and her sugar levels were on the very low side. It was

:44:37. > :44:40.the opposite problem. She would run loads and there were a couple of

:44:41. > :44:43.times when I found her having a fit in our kitchen because she was just

:44:44. > :44:48.pushing things too far. When she went out for dinner she wouldn't

:44:49. > :44:52.have any form of source, it would be the smallest, most plain amount of

:44:53. > :44:57.food ever. That was more the case, when she got a bit older, she was

:44:58. > :45:02.running more... You could tell by looking at her face if her cheeks

:45:03. > :45:06.were flushed, you could tell if she was looking after herself. What she

:45:07. > :45:14.was doing sometimes was not taking the life-saving insulin in order to

:45:15. > :45:19.drop a dress size? Is an accurate way of putting it? Yes. For a person

:45:20. > :45:22.who has an eating disorder but doesn't have diabetes, if you anyone

:45:23. > :45:26.and you have a night on the up where you're going out you will cut down,

:45:27. > :45:30.but it would take some time to do that. With a diabetic they could

:45:31. > :45:36.just not take insulin and it is instant results. I think that is

:45:37. > :45:40.dangerous. You mean in days? Instant results, it takes five days to drop

:45:41. > :45:48.a dress size question marks yes. Lisa would drop sizes instantly. She

:45:49. > :45:54.cared more for what her weight was van Gaal and health. That is sad.

:45:55. > :46:00.Did Lisa get the right help from the NHS? I think too late is the only

:46:01. > :46:05.way to answer that. She was starting to see a specialist clinic, the only

:46:06. > :46:08.one in the country which is in King's College University, London,

:46:09. > :46:11.but that was only a couple of months before her death. In fact actually

:46:12. > :46:15.the door who I've spoken with afterwards said that had they seen

:46:16. > :46:19.her sooner, there could have been maybe more that they could have

:46:20. > :46:23.done. Ultimately, she went almost half her life with diabetes and all

:46:24. > :46:29.that time without any help and often some of the damage that is caused

:46:30. > :46:33.from dropping a dress size from running your insulin levels too low

:46:34. > :46:37.has permanent effects, sorry too high. She has for example, she had

:46:38. > :46:41.kidney problems. She had eye problems. She had a lot of

:46:42. > :46:47.complications which led from the sugar levels just being too high.

:46:48. > :46:51.Why do you think, why do you believe her treatment came ultimately too

:46:52. > :46:58.late? What's the issue if you have an eating disorder and diabetes from

:46:59. > :47:04.your own experience? It falls in between the cracks of how the NHS

:47:05. > :47:07.treats this thing. There is guidelines and specific clinics

:47:08. > :47:11.around eating disorders, but they are not geared for the fact that in

:47:12. > :47:14.a diabetic you have the power to control your weight through your

:47:15. > :47:18.medication. Similarly in diabetes clinics, it is more about the

:47:19. > :47:21.mechanics of, well you should just take your insulin, that's your

:47:22. > :47:24.life-saving drug and it doesn't maybe go into the mental health

:47:25. > :47:28.sides of well, this is actually something playing on your mind and

:47:29. > :47:32.people are actually, not just Lisa, but a lot of young girls do this,

:47:33. > :47:37.they will run their insulin levels incorrectly so they can keep their

:47:38. > :47:40.weight down. Ultimately, I think we just feel there should be a better

:47:41. > :47:45.commissioning of care in the UK. That there should be more

:47:46. > :47:53.specialised clinics or a better understanding this is a real issue.

:47:54. > :47:57.You lost your sister. It's just awful. You know, it is upsetting. I

:47:58. > :48:05.don't know what impact that has on you and the rest of your family. It

:48:06. > :48:10.is devastating. Me and mum and my dad aren't still over it. It was

:48:11. > :48:13.September. My sister, she had a really rocky start through her teens

:48:14. > :48:16.when she was at school and through university, she had to drop out of

:48:17. > :48:22.the university because she just couldn't keep on top of it health

:48:23. > :48:27.wise. When she started working, she did, we did see a bit of

:48:28. > :48:31.improvement. But right up until when she died, you know, when me and my

:48:32. > :48:36.mum were clearing through her stuff, you just find endless lists she has

:48:37. > :48:39.written, diet plans, you know, I've eaten, I can only X amount of

:48:40. > :48:45.calories this day. She was clearly still obsessed with food. Like an

:48:46. > :48:49.unhealthy obsession. And it is just sad that my sister never got the

:48:50. > :48:56.help to really ever get on top of it. You know, and as I say, she had

:48:57. > :49:03.it since she was 14 or 15. She died when she was 27. It is a lot of

:49:04. > :49:10.years where she could have had proper help and she never got it.

:49:11. > :49:13.The Department of Health says they are investing in people with eating

:49:14. > :49:17.disorders. You would like to think that would help in some way? It is

:49:18. > :49:20.where the money is being spent and how the money is being spent. I

:49:21. > :49:24.think one of the things that we are looking to do is work with Diabetes

:49:25. > :49:29.UK to actually ensure that there is the right guidance being written by

:49:30. > :49:32.the NHS for psychiatrists and for diabetic clinics. We would like to

:49:33. > :49:35.see some of that money going towards other clinics opening as well, not

:49:36. > :49:40.just in London, because ultimately that can only service a limited

:49:41. > :49:43.number of patients and through this story, we have also understood there

:49:44. > :49:47.are other diabetics who, you know, maybe going to doctors and don't get

:49:48. > :49:54.recognised that they have got this problem. And they just say, "Well,

:49:55. > :49:57.it is an internet thing." Well, it is a real issue and it should be

:49:58. > :50:02.addressed by the NHS. Thank you very much for talking to us. Katie and

:50:03. > :50:06.Matthew Edwards. Dog smuggling charges

:50:07. > :50:08.against Johnny Depp's wife have been dropped,

:50:09. > :50:10.after she admitted lying Amber Heard pleaded guilty to making

:50:11. > :50:16.a false statement to immigration about the couple's Yorkshire

:50:17. > :50:19.terriers Pistol and Boo. She'd brought the dogs

:50:20. > :50:21.to Queensland in a private jet to visit her husband,

:50:22. > :50:24.who was filming there last year. The Hollywood couple have recorded

:50:25. > :50:26.a video to apologise - and to ask other travellers

:50:27. > :50:28.to respect Australian laws. Australia is a wonderful island,

:50:29. > :50:31.with a treasure trove of unique Australia is free of many

:50:32. > :50:36.pests and diseases that That is why Australia has to have

:50:37. > :50:40.such strong bio-security And Australians are just as unique -

:50:41. > :50:46.both warm and direct. When you disrespect

:50:47. > :50:48.Australian law, they I am truly sorry that

:50:49. > :50:54.Pistol and Boo were Declare everything when

:50:55. > :51:02.you enter Australia. Josh Robertson is the

:51:03. > :51:05.Brisbane Correspondent for Guardian Australia,

:51:06. > :51:15.he was at the court today Halfs it like in court today? There

:51:16. > :51:19.was pandemonium outside. Their appearance, which was right up until

:51:20. > :51:21.the moment they arrived in a limousine, the subject of

:51:22. > :51:30.speculation they weren't going to show up. It was a sensation. There

:51:31. > :51:37.was a crush that by, a media crush, of local fans who would bring

:51:38. > :51:44.terriers to costumes along with them. They braved the crush and

:51:45. > :51:50.hayed it through into court and watched the proceedings unfold.

:51:51. > :51:55.It still seems extraordinary and really bizarre, what she apparently

:51:56. > :51:59.tried to do. Have we ever had any proper explanation as to what on

:52:00. > :52:05.earth was going on? Yeah, well we heard more today than we had. It

:52:06. > :52:10.seems there was a falling out with one of her former personal

:52:11. > :52:14.assistants who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances just prior

:52:15. > :52:20.to their departure to Australia with the two terriers, Pistol and Boo.

:52:21. > :52:24.The magistrate accepted she had more or less delegated this role of

:52:25. > :52:29.getting right paperwork for the dogs to come into the country under

:52:30. > :52:36.Australia ace famously strict biosecurity laws and that this

:52:37. > :52:43.sacking of this employee led in partly to this oversight. Now, the

:52:44. > :52:51.false declaration on the Customs or the incoming passenger card, the

:52:52. > :52:54.magistrate also accepted was because she thought the paperwork for

:52:55. > :52:59.getting the dogs through was a separate process and that she didn't

:53:00. > :53:04.need to declare her pets as animals coming into the country so she

:53:05. > :53:12.ticked no. That was the charge she pleaded to. What is more mysterious

:53:13. > :53:18.is what led to the Australian Government dropping the more serious

:53:19. > :53:25.animal importation charges against Herd who six months ago offered to

:53:26. > :53:28.plea for the lesser charge in exchange for the more serious

:53:29. > :53:34.charges being dropped and she was rebuffed by the prosecutors in

:53:35. > :53:38.November last year. And negotiations in recent days only led to the

:53:39. > :53:49.dropping of those serious charges and now, of course, we have this

:53:50. > :53:57.interesting and somewhat wooden video which has been given to the

:53:58. > :54:01.Australian Department of Agriculture which is probably its greatest coup

:54:02. > :54:09.ever in terms of its quarantine laws. You seem to be implying that

:54:10. > :54:11.somebody said to Johnny Depp do this video and hopefully it will never

:54:12. > :54:16.happen again and we will drop the more serious charge. Is that what

:54:17. > :54:30.you're saying? Australia's Deputy Prime Minister who, is the man who

:54:31. > :54:33.first threaten to have the dogs lethaise, he said that they were

:54:34. > :54:39.lest than willing participants in the video. All right, Josh, thank

:54:40. > :54:44.you very much for talking to us. I appreciate your time. You're

:54:45. > :54:47.welcome. Thank you for your comments about the interview with a mum of

:54:48. > :54:53.five who had several of her children taken into care. Alan said, "I was

:54:54. > :54:56.very moved by your interview. We have to look at this situation from

:54:57. > :55:00.social services prospective as well, we, the general public, would have

:55:01. > :55:04.been appalled if this baby was injured and social services were

:55:05. > :55:10.aware of the mother's history. How many times have the public cas city

:55:11. > :55:17.gated public services in the past for failing to intervene to protect

:55:18. > :55:22.vulnerable children." The mum, who we are calling, Annie told us how

:55:23. > :55:26.she battled to get her baby son back after he was forcibly removed by

:55:27. > :55:34.social workers after being born. Annie has a se history of severe

:55:35. > :55:40.mental health problems. I smiled at the midwife and handed my baby to

:55:41. > :55:45.the midwife and then I've never seen anyone move so quick. She went out

:55:46. > :55:50.of the door and the last thing I saw was this fluffy little head going

:55:51. > :55:53.out the door. And then I just heard a noise which I thought there was

:55:54. > :55:57.something wrong, it was frightening. I thought something had happened on

:55:58. > :56:03.the ward. And it took me a second to realise the noise had come from me

:56:04. > :56:07.and it was animalistic howl, it was a primal noise and I fell forward

:56:08. > :56:13.and all I could feel were hands on me. It was my friends and my eldest

:56:14. > :56:18.son desperately trying to take the pain away from me and they couldn't.

:56:19. > :56:22.Nothing could take it away. How did you feel when it was clear that your

:56:23. > :56:34.youngest child was coming back home to you? Just elated. That day, when

:56:35. > :56:41.it finally became clear it was real, he was coming home, my legs just

:56:42. > :56:46.went out from under me. I just, I couldn't... Believe that we were

:56:47. > :56:52.going to be back together. That he was going to be back where he

:56:53. > :56:55.belonged and all that fight and all them nights without them and all

:56:56. > :57:00.them days that I used to see babies and I couldn't stand it, I just felt

:57:01. > :57:03.so empty without him, all of that resilience, all of that strength, it

:57:04. > :57:13.was all going to be worth it because he was coming home. You did it. You

:57:14. > :57:16.did t didn't you? Yeah. You did it. And that's quite an astonishing

:57:17. > :57:22.achievement, actually, isn't it? Yeah, sorry, yeah. Yeah. I

:57:23. > :57:30.completely understand your tears. Let's get this... I'm not proud of

:57:31. > :57:34.very much that I've done in my life, but I'm very, very proud my

:57:35. > :57:38.children. I'm proud of my children's strengths and my children's

:57:39. > :57:41.resilience, but I'm proud that I recognised the local authorities

:57:42. > :57:44.concerns and I took on board what the issues were and I did something

:57:45. > :57:50.about it. And I fought and I never gave up. And I never ever gave up. I

:57:51. > :57:55.always believed the right place for my child was with his family and

:57:56. > :58:00.that's where he is now and he has been for over two years.

:58:01. > :58:04.A viewer tweets, "Heartbreaking story about a woman's fight to get

:58:05. > :58:11.her baby back after he was taken into care a few days old." Bernie

:58:12. > :58:16.says, "Best of luck to her and her family in the future." Penny says,

:58:17. > :58:23."A really moving story about the woman whose baby was taken from

:58:24. > :58:29.her." Joanna is here come. Thanks for waffling. Have a good day.

:58:30. > :58:30.Bye-bye. --