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:00:07. > :00:15.An investigation by this programme shows the government is paying out

:00:16. > :00:18.millions of pounds in compensation to failed asylum seekers and foreign

:00:19. > :00:26.criminals who are illegally detained while awaiting deportation.

:00:27. > :00:34.This is crazy. Just wasting your time and my time, yeah and taxpayers

:00:35. > :00:37.time and wasting money as well. It is just all waste, waste.

:00:38. > :00:40.Violent crime has been dropping for years but the trend

:00:41. > :00:45.We'll look at why this could be happening and talk to two

:00:46. > :00:49.And how does Prince William, the next in line to

:00:50. > :00:51.the throne-but-one, answer criticism that he's "work shy"?

:00:52. > :01:00.I'm concentrating very much on my role as a father. I am a new father

:01:01. > :01:01.and I take my duties and my responsibilities to my family very

:01:02. > :01:21.seriously. and if you text, you will be charged

:01:22. > :01:30.at the standard network rate. The Government is paying more

:01:31. > :01:33.than ?4 million each year in compensation to people who have

:01:34. > :01:36.been held unlawfully A Freedom of Information request

:01:37. > :01:39.for this programme found that over ?18 million has been paid out over

:01:40. > :01:42.the past four years. The centres hold people

:01:43. > :01:44.the Government is trying to deport, including failed asylum-seekers

:01:45. > :01:46.and foreign prisoners. The Director of Detention Action,

:01:47. > :01:48.Jerome Phelps, told us that people being held in detention often have

:01:49. > :01:51.no idea when they're going to be released,

:01:52. > :01:56.unlike those in prison. In prison you count your days down.

:01:57. > :02:00.In detention you count your days up. The UK is the only country in Europe

:02:01. > :02:05.that has no time limit to detention. Every other European country limits

:02:06. > :02:08.the maximum period of detention. People are getting big

:02:09. > :02:12.pay-outs from the government because they are being detained

:02:13. > :02:17.unlawfully by the Home Office. Immigration detention is lawful

:02:18. > :02:19.in certain circumstances where the Home Office is attempting

:02:20. > :02:24.to deport someone and there is a reasonable prospect

:02:25. > :02:26.of that taking place. But what we are seeing

:02:27. > :02:30.is people are being detained for months, often for years -

:02:31. > :02:33.long after it becomes apparent that there is no prospect

:02:34. > :02:35.of their deportation More on that story in ten minutes

:02:36. > :02:46.time. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

:02:47. > :02:48.Newsroom with a summary The Port Talbot steel chief

:02:49. > :02:54.is forming a management buy-out team to start the process of bidding

:02:55. > :03:02.to take over Tata's UK operation which employs

:03:03. > :03:03.15,000 people. It's believed the deal

:03:04. > :03:05.would involve steel-making continuing at Port Talbot,

:03:06. > :03:07.despite its huge losses. Managers would ask employees to help

:03:08. > :03:09.finance the new company with their own money,

:03:10. > :03:12.as well as looking for private With us now is Tomos Morgan -

:03:13. > :03:20.our Wales correspondent - Thomas, tell us more about the

:03:21. > :03:25.plans. How well formed are they? Well, as you say, Joanna this is the

:03:26. > :03:28.MD of the Port Talbot site here in South Wales and the idea is that

:03:29. > :03:33.they would all come together to try and buy the whole of the UK Tata

:03:34. > :03:36.operation. Now that would need significant investment from the UK

:03:37. > :03:39.Government as well as some of the workers chipping in as well and

:03:40. > :03:44.maybe some private investment as well and yesterday, was the last day

:03:45. > :03:50.of people expressing an interest in buying Tata across the UK and the

:03:51. > :03:55.only other company that we heard of that had interest in buying Port

:03:56. > :04:03.Talbot was Liberty Steel. The idea was maybe turning one or two of the

:04:04. > :04:08.big blast furnaces in arc furnaces, you about this idea would keep those

:04:09. > :04:15.blast furnaces intact and keep the creation of UK steel. The unions

:04:16. > :04:18.have welcomed this idea from Stewart Wilkie and welcomed the new

:04:19. > :04:23.different style of buying the company, but whether or not they can

:04:24. > :04:26.guarantee that investment from the UK Government remains to be seen and

:04:27. > :04:30.whether or not they can get anymore private buyers to help that buy-out

:04:31. > :04:34.also is another question that needs to be asked. In terms of other

:04:35. > :04:39.investors, we haven't heard of anyone so far, so the only two

:04:40. > :04:44.realistic prospects are Liberty Steel and this management buy-out

:04:45. > :04:45.that we heard from Stewart Wilkie overnight. Thank you very much,

:04:46. > :04:47.Thomas. Prince William has answered

:04:48. > :04:51.accusations that he's He says he's focusing

:04:52. > :04:54.on his roles as a father and an air ambulance pilot

:04:55. > :04:56.and he'll take on more responsibilities when

:04:57. > :04:58.the time is right. In a BBC interview ahead

:04:59. > :05:00.of the Queen's 90th birthday tomorrow, the Prince also talked

:05:01. > :05:02.about the "incredible insights" Our royal correspondent,

:05:03. > :05:08.Nicholas Witchell, reports. He has more reason than most

:05:09. > :05:10.to observe how the Queen goes about her role as monarch,

:05:11. > :05:14.one day the task will be his. In his BBC interview William paid

:05:15. > :05:17.tribute to his grandmother's sense of duty and her commitment

:05:18. > :05:20.to others, but William's own commitment to Royal duty has

:05:21. > :05:23.been questioned in recent months. Some newspapers have

:05:24. > :05:25.described him as work shy. So to what extect does he share

:05:26. > :05:31.the Queen's sense of duty? I take my responsibilities very

:05:32. > :05:35.seriously, but it's about finding your own way at the right time

:05:36. > :05:37.and if you're not careful, duty can sort of weigh you down

:05:38. > :05:41.an awful lot at a very early age and I think that you've got

:05:42. > :05:51.to develop into the duty role. William spoke about the importance

:05:52. > :05:53.he attaches his to his role as an air ambulance pilot

:05:54. > :06:00.in East Anglia and to the time he spends with his wife and children

:06:01. > :06:04.and he said his entire family supported the fact that he is not

:06:05. > :06:07.yet fully engaged with Royal duties. My grandmother and my father

:06:08. > :06:09.are 150% supportive behind everything I'm doing

:06:10. > :06:11.and Harry and Catherine. They very much understand that

:06:12. > :06:14.whilst my grandmother is still extremely active

:06:15. > :06:17.at the helm of the Royal Family, as the monarch, my father is busy

:06:18. > :06:22.with his transport responsibilities There is the time now and the space

:06:23. > :06:30.to explore other means of doing When the time comes for the Queen

:06:31. > :06:34.to hand over more responsibilities, William said he would grasp those

:06:35. > :06:36.duties willingly and looking further ahead to the time when he is king,

:06:37. > :06:40.he said it would be for him to ensure that the Royal Family

:06:41. > :06:49.modernised and remained relevant. The Royal Mail has released

:06:50. > :06:52.an historic image of The Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William

:06:53. > :06:54.and Prince George, that will be used to make four new postage stamps

:06:55. > :06:58.to mark the Queen's 90th birthday. Prince George can be seen posing

:06:59. > :07:00.for his very first stamp while perched on a pile

:07:01. > :07:03.of foam blocks. The Royal Mail has also produced

:07:04. > :07:06.a further six stamps A group of senior ex-US

:07:07. > :07:15.advisors has warned Eight former US Treasury Secretaries

:07:16. > :07:23.warned that leaving would be a "risky bet",

:07:24. > :07:26.saying it could threaten London's In an article published on the eve

:07:27. > :07:30.of President Obama's visit to London they said it would be difficult

:07:31. > :07:32.to trade outside the single Leave campaigners accused the group

:07:33. > :07:36.of "belittling Britain's The body of a British

:07:37. > :07:43.man who went missing in the Andes mountains of Peru,

:07:44. > :07:45.has been found almost two weeks Harry Greaves had been

:07:46. > :07:49.visiting friends in Pisac, about 50 miles from Machu Picchu,

:07:50. > :07:52.when he left for a solo hike two His family have paid tribute to him

:07:53. > :07:56.and thanked people for their help A new study suggests that primary

:07:57. > :08:02.school children who go to after-school clubs or take part

:08:03. > :08:05.in sports lessons get better Research carried out

:08:06. > :08:09.by the Institute of Education compared the academic performance

:08:10. > :08:11.of more than 6,000 children, taking into account

:08:12. > :08:12.their involvement in Here's our Education

:08:13. > :08:20.Correspondent, Robert Pigott. When classes end at Morningside

:08:21. > :08:23.Primary School in Hackney, they roll out the pastry

:08:24. > :08:27.and the fun begins. By the age of 11, more affluent

:08:28. > :08:31.children are normally doing significantly better in tests

:08:32. > :08:33.than disadvantaged pupils. But researchers found that poorer

:08:34. > :08:36.pupils who took part in two clubs like this one each week managed

:08:37. > :08:40.to cut that gap in The research we carried out found

:08:41. > :08:48.that taking part in organised sports and after-school activities helped

:08:49. > :08:50.to improve primary schoolchildren's Children themselves say that feeling

:08:51. > :08:59.physically fit helps them relax The clubs help them to build

:09:00. > :09:04.their social skills. But perhaps most important of all,

:09:05. > :09:07.it helps children to have something to succeed at,

:09:08. > :09:09.with dramatic effects It helps with your schoolwork

:09:10. > :09:15.because you make new friends, You want to enjoy your learning,

:09:16. > :09:21.so when you are doing maths My body is all cranky,

:09:22. > :09:28.and doing hula hooping helps you come alive and just makes

:09:29. > :09:33.you see the real you. The study found disadvantaged

:09:34. > :09:35.children often can't afford But Morningside Primary's 33

:09:36. > :09:41.after-school clubs are free, and half of its pupils go to them,

:09:42. > :09:44.transforming their Presidential hopefuls Donald Trump

:09:45. > :09:55.and Hillary Clinton have scored big wins in New York,

:09:56. > :09:57.in the contest to choose the It's not yet known if Mr Trump has

:09:58. > :10:02.secured a clean sweep of all Republican delegates

:10:03. > :10:04.at stake, by earning Victory for Mrs Clinton ends a run

:10:05. > :10:09.of recent defeats against her A long-term decline in violence

:10:10. > :10:20.in England and Wales may Scientists are hoping that

:10:21. > :10:23.a new trial could lead to a breakthrough in the prevention

:10:24. > :10:29.of type 1 diabetes in children. It tends to emerge in childhood and

:10:30. > :10:35.cannot be prevented: A long-term decline in violence

:10:36. > :10:49.in England and Wales may There was no major improvement last

:10:50. > :10:52.year. More than 200,000 people are estimated to have attended hospital

:10:53. > :10:56.emergency departments for injuries as a result of violence last year.

:10:57. > :10:58.The singer, Lily Allen, has been telling BBC Newsnight

:10:59. > :11:00.about the night a stalker broke into her house.

:11:01. > :11:04.Alex Gray was convicted this month, but the singer now says she thinks

:11:05. > :11:06.the police dealing with the case "victim-shamed" her

:11:07. > :11:21.Something is really wrong with this guy and I feel like you know, he has

:11:22. > :11:24.been let down. I have been let down and how many other people are being

:11:25. > :11:26.let down? That's a summary of

:11:27. > :11:37.the latest BBC News. We will talk more about stalking

:11:38. > :11:41.later on as a result of that interview that Lily Allen gave to

:11:42. > :11:46.news night and we will hear from Prince William. He fends off

:11:47. > :11:50.criticism that he is a slightly reluctant royal.

:11:51. > :11:55.Here is some sport now with Will. It's described on the back

:11:56. > :12:02.of The Times as an "offside goal that may cost Newcastle

:12:03. > :12:03.?60 million". The Daily Telegraph goes

:12:04. > :12:05.with "the Great Toon Robbery". It finished 1-1 between Newcastle

:12:06. > :12:08.and Manchester City, denying Newcastle the chance to move

:12:09. > :12:11.out of the relegation zone, but Sergio Aguero's goal

:12:12. > :12:12.was clearly offside. This was in the 14th

:12:13. > :12:17.minute last night. Before Alexsander Kolarov takes

:12:18. > :12:19.the freekick, Aguero fails to get back onside before heading

:12:20. > :12:21.in for his 100th 17 minutes later, the home side

:12:22. > :12:28.were level thanks to this Their manager Rafa Benitez as ever,

:12:29. > :12:58.was a bit more diplomatic. We wanted to win, but after that

:12:59. > :13:01.against Manchester City, the reaction of the team was so positive

:13:02. > :13:05.that you have to be pleased. Pleased for the fans. Pleased for the

:13:06. > :13:07.players and hopefully this point will be important at the end of the

:13:08. > :13:12.season. Yet another former champion

:13:13. > :13:14.has been knocked out of the World Snooker

:13:15. > :13:15.Championship in Sheffield. The 2010 winner Neil Robertson

:13:16. > :13:23.was the fifth to go at the Crucible. The Australian lost

:13:24. > :13:25.by 10 -6 to Michael Holt from Nottingham, who'd come

:13:26. > :13:28.through three rounds of qualifying He'll play another former champion,

:13:29. > :13:38.Mark Williams, in the next round, I know I can compete if I feel

:13:39. > :13:42.comfortable and play and to finally do it a big one. They say water

:13:43. > :13:47.doesn't break through rock because it is strong, because it is

:13:48. > :13:52.persistent. Yeah, I've won a match! I can't believe it. We will be live

:13:53. > :13:58.at The Crucible after 10am this morning for a little peek backstage.

:13:59. > :14:02.This will make some of you shudder. Bernie Ecclestone has claimed that

:14:03. > :14:07.female drivers would not physically be able to drive a Formula One car

:14:08. > :14:10.quickly. The 85-year-old said last night that he doesn't think a woman

:14:11. > :14:14.would be taken seriously in the sport, but he does believe an

:14:15. > :14:19.increasing number of women would take Formula One Chief Executive

:14:20. > :14:23.position in the future. Ecclestone says women are more confident and

:14:24. > :14:29.they don't have massive egos! When you are chasing promotion in

:14:30. > :14:40.League one, you would be forgiven for having your mind focussed on the

:14:41. > :14:45.end of the season sh but Calum ears did pick up after he heard his car

:14:46. > :14:51.registration being announced. As soon as I heard the reg, I thought

:14:52. > :14:55.that's my numberplate. I said that's my car. That's my car that they have

:14:56. > :15:00.just called out. I thought I had blocked someone in, I didn't hear

:15:01. > :15:06.that I left my lights on! You've left your lights on Victoria!

:15:07. > :15:10.I'll have the headlines for you at 9.30am.

:15:11. > :15:17.An investigation by this programme has discovered that over the past

:15:18. > :15:19.four years the government has paid out more than ?18 million

:15:20. > :15:22.in compensation to people held unlawfully in immigration detention

:15:23. > :15:25.The centres hold people the government wants to deport

:15:26. > :15:27.and the biggest pay-out by the Home Office was ?155,000.

:15:28. > :15:31.Catrin Nye has this exclusive report.

:15:32. > :15:35.He says he left the army there without permission.

:15:36. > :15:43.As well as getting into trouble with the police, constantly.

:15:44. > :15:46.Back home, I meet a girl and she was a Christian and we used

:15:47. > :15:53.I was walking in the park and we was kissing each

:15:54. > :15:59.other and all that and the police catch us.

:16:00. > :16:02.I used to love women, yeah, girl, I mean,

:16:03. > :16:11.I was, you call it womaniser, you know?

:16:12. > :16:13.And I couldn't be allowed in Iran to do these things

:16:14. > :16:19.I like it because it is free country, do

:16:20. > :16:27.He ended up homeless and with a serious drug

:16:28. > :16:33.The security guard was challenging me over shoplifting.

:16:34. > :16:42.I didn't have to stab him but the crack

:16:43. > :16:45.cocaine, when you take crack cocaine you are out of your head.

:16:46. > :16:47.Hamid was sentenced to 12 months and served six

:16:48. > :16:53.He was sent straight to immigration detention for automatic deportation

:16:54. > :16:59.Immigration detention centres are holding centres

:17:00. > :17:01.for all different categories of people that the

:17:02. > :17:08.But Iran would not accept Hamid back, he

:17:09. > :17:11.doesn't have a passport and the UK government can't prove he's

:17:12. > :17:14.Three and a half years detained, under immigration law,

:17:15. > :17:19.And they knew I'm Iranian, they cannot deport

:17:20. > :17:21.an Iranian guy, they cannot, without a passport and identity,

:17:22. > :17:25.Hamid was awarded ?33,000 compensation for

:17:26. > :17:30.In his case because he could not be sent back

:17:31. > :17:38.The government has been paying out millions in compensation

:17:39. > :17:43.to those it should not have held in immigration detention.

:17:44. > :17:50.A total of more than ?18 million over four years.

:17:51. > :17:52.Immigration detention centres hold people the government is trying

:17:53. > :17:55.This includes failed asylum seekers, foreign national

:17:56. > :18:01.prisoners and those who have overstayed their visas.

:18:02. > :18:07.Around 30,000 people pass through every

:18:08. > :18:09.year, the majority are there for less than two months.

:18:10. > :18:16.Many taxpayers would be greatly annoyed and

:18:17. > :18:22.offended that their money is going not only to look after someone who

:18:23. > :18:26.should not be in these detention centres but we are having to pay

:18:27. > :18:28.out compensation because the courts have deemed that they have been

:18:29. > :18:38.The difference between prison and detention is that in prison

:18:39. > :18:40.you know when you are going to be released

:18:41. > :18:50.The UK is the only country in Europe that has no time limit to detention.

:18:51. > :18:54.Every other European country limits the maximum period of detention.

:18:55. > :18:56.People are getting big pay-outs from the government because they are

:18:57. > :18:59.being detained unlawfully by the Home Office.

:19:00. > :19:03.Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances

:19:04. > :19:08.where the Home Office is attempting to deport

:19:09. > :19:10.someone and there is a reasonable prospect

:19:11. > :19:16.But what we are seeing is people are being detained for

:19:17. > :19:19.months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there is no

:19:20. > :19:27.prospect of their deportation actually taking place.

:19:28. > :19:29.Annie, whose name we have changed, is 37 and from

:19:30. > :19:34.She is awaiting a decision on her asylum case.

:19:35. > :19:36.She says she was trafficked into the UK for

:19:37. > :19:44.Annie has been awarded more than ?9,000 compensation.

:19:45. > :19:46.Why should they have not had you in detention?

:19:47. > :19:56.The doctor said Annie is not supposed to be in detention.

:19:57. > :20:02.Home Office policy on the detention of

:20:03. > :20:18.those with mental health problems states:

:20:19. > :20:20.But what this means varies from case to case.

:20:21. > :20:22.You don't have the right to put someone who is

:20:23. > :20:26.suffering with mental health in detention.

:20:27. > :20:30.Some payments have been far higher than Annie's.

:20:31. > :20:36.Between 2012 and 2015 the Home Office has

:20:37. > :20:44.had to hand over up to ?155,000 to individuals wrongfully detained.

:20:45. > :20:46.32,000 people went through these immigration detention centres last

:20:47. > :20:50.year, 60% of them then went back into the community in the United

:20:51. > :20:54.These are not prisons, they are places purely to hold

:20:55. > :20:58.people who might be at risk of absconding

:20:59. > :21:00.between getting hold of them and putting them on a plane

:21:01. > :21:06.There are not many stories I work on where

:21:07. > :21:09.everyone agrees the system is an absolute failure.

:21:10. > :21:14.Whether the whole system is an absolute failure I

:21:15. > :21:17.don't know but this particular part of it is not working nearly well

:21:18. > :21:23.Hamid did not have a home or a right to be in the UK when he got

:21:24. > :21:31.I wasted it on drugs and gambling, you know?

:21:32. > :21:32.Because they don't open me account, I haven't

:21:33. > :21:41.anywhere to open an account and they said no, you cannot open an account.

:21:42. > :21:46.I said look, I have a cheque and they says no,

:21:47. > :21:48.we need an electric bill, a phone bill, passport,

:21:49. > :21:58.I wish, I wish I had my status at the time.

:21:59. > :22:01.They give me money, two months later they gave me my

:22:02. > :22:10.This is crazy, wasting your time, my time and

:22:11. > :22:12.taxpayers' time, and wasting money as well.

:22:13. > :22:15.Hamid does have leave to remain in the UK.

:22:16. > :22:18.The government was obviously in a very difficult situation with

:22:19. > :22:28.It locks somebody up for years and then

:22:29. > :22:31.releases them and pays them compensation because you have

:22:32. > :22:34.It must be one of the most inefficient corners of

:22:35. > :22:48.We need to have a much smarter way of deciding how we deal with those

:22:49. > :22:51.people who are failed asylum seekers or have criminal records who are due

:22:52. > :22:55.to be deported than we are at the moment.

:22:56. > :22:57.The whole system has just been reviewed, the review

:22:58. > :22:59.came up with a number of recommendations about how we better

:23:00. > :23:01.look after people in the detention centres.

:23:02. > :23:02.There are certain groups of

:23:03. > :23:05.people, people with mental health problems, at risk people, pregnant

:23:06. > :23:07.women, who just shouldn't be in these detention

:23:08. > :23:11.Do you feel happier that they have admitted that what they did was

:23:12. > :23:15.They admit what they are doing but if I

:23:16. > :23:18.said about my life, you know, my life will never be the same.

:23:19. > :23:31.Sometimes when people talk you think they just want to talk or destroy

:23:32. > :23:35.the name of the Home Office but what I saw was not good.

:23:36. > :23:41.I saw the way they were treating women, what I saw

:23:42. > :23:52.there, I saw a lady in my room, she was to be deported back to her

:23:53. > :24:01.Huge men came in that morning, who were sharing the same room.

:24:02. > :24:03.The way they took her, she was undressed,

:24:04. > :24:05.she just had her bra and

:24:06. > :24:07.pants, she was not even awake, they came at 4am

:24:08. > :24:13.Do you understand the need for detention in some cases?

:24:14. > :24:17.Detention is not, I mean it is not the best place to deal with asylum

:24:18. > :24:21.Somebody has come here for safety, some people have come here

:24:22. > :24:24.Get a good way to deal with asylum cases

:24:25. > :24:36.Does the government share your view on wanting to reform

:24:37. > :24:48.It commissioned the Shaw review, we had the ministers in front

:24:49. > :24:51.of the Home Office select committee and they admitted the government has

:24:52. > :24:54.a problem and they have to do something about it and I think

:24:55. > :24:57.the government knows it will have to do something about it.

:24:58. > :25:01.We did ask the Home Office to come on the programme to speak to us

:25:02. > :25:12.but they decided against it and gave us this statement instead.

:25:13. > :25:15.We'll be discussing this more at 10am with two people on opposing

:25:16. > :25:18.Gerard Batten, a Ukip MEP, and Chai Patel,

:25:19. > :25:22.from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants.

:25:23. > :25:27.Prince George, his dad, his grandad and his great

:25:28. > :25:30.grandmother posing for a set of postage stamps that will be

:25:31. > :25:38.released tomorrow to mark the Queen's 90th birthday.

:25:39. > :25:40.This is what the stamps will look like.

:25:41. > :25:44.The monarch, the next in line to the throne, Prince Charles,

:25:45. > :25:46.the next in line to the throne after that, Prince William,

:25:47. > :25:49.and the next in line to the throne after that,

:25:50. > :25:53.On the eve of the Queen's birthday, Prince William has been speaking

:25:54. > :25:55.to the BBC about his grandmother, about his interpretation of "royal

:25:56. > :25:58.duty" and recent criticisms that he's a "reluctant royal"

:25:59. > :26:00.and workshy, and about his own ambitions for the monarchy

:26:01. > :26:02.when he finally succeeds to the throne.

:26:03. > :26:08.Prince William was speaking to the BBC's royal correspondent.

:26:09. > :26:11.You're a future monarch, you've had a chance over

:26:12. > :26:13.more than 30 years now to observe our current

:26:14. > :26:18.What, from the very particular perspective that you have

:26:19. > :26:25.as a future king, what has impressed you most about her?

:26:26. > :26:29.I think the Queen's duty, and her service, her tolerance.

:26:30. > :26:39.I think that has been incredibly important to me so it's been a real,

:26:40. > :26:43.sort of, guiding example of what a good monarch can be.

:26:44. > :26:45.It's been incredibly insightful for me growing up

:26:46. > :26:49.watching her leadership in that role.

:26:50. > :26:53.You have referred already to her sense of duty,

:26:54. > :26:55.to the conspicuous devotion to duty that she has displayed

:26:56. > :27:01.To what extent would you say that you share that degree

:27:02. > :27:12.I think Royal duty is extremely important, I think it is part

:27:13. > :27:17.of the fabric of what the Royal family and any future monarch has.

:27:18. > :27:19.It is something that is very important and I take

:27:20. > :27:25.I take my responsibilities very seriously.

:27:26. > :27:32.But it's about finding your own way at the right time and if you are not

:27:33. > :27:35.careful duty can weigh you down an awful lot, at a very early age,

:27:36. > :27:41.and I think you have to develop into the duty role.

:27:42. > :27:45.You know why I am asking you this, it is because there is an impression

:27:46. > :27:48.in some quarters that you are in some way a slightly

:27:49. > :27:51.reluctant Royal, you will have seen or I am sure people will have told

:27:52. > :27:53.you about some of the stories, some of the headlines

:27:54. > :27:55.in recent weeks and months, work-shy

:27:56. > :27:57.William I think some of them have said.

:27:58. > :28:01.There has also been criticism of the Duchess in a similar vein.

:28:02. > :28:08.Do you regard that criticism, that impression, as being a fair one?

:28:09. > :28:13.I, to be honest I am going to get plenty of criticism over my lifetime

:28:14. > :28:16.and it's something that I don't completely ignore but it's not

:28:17. > :28:18.something I take completely to heart.

:28:19. > :28:22.I am concentrating very much on my role as a father,

:28:23. > :28:26.I am a new father and take my duties and my responsibilities to my family

:28:27. > :28:32.very seriously and I want to bring my children up as good people,

:28:33. > :28:35.with the idea of service and duty to others as very important.

:28:36. > :28:38.If I can't give my time to my children as well then I worry

:28:39. > :28:45.Plus serving the community with the air ambulance,

:28:46. > :28:51.I find that role very important to me.

:28:52. > :28:57.I would like to explore a little what kind of King will William V be?

:28:58. > :29:01.We have become used to the present Queen being scrupulously,

:29:02. > :29:06.pretty scrupulously, detached from all issues.

:29:07. > :29:08.Your father, on the other hand, as Prince of Wales of course,

:29:09. > :29:11.is very much involved in all sorts of issues and has indicated

:29:12. > :29:15.he would wish to convene when he becomes King,

:29:16. > :29:18.make heartfelt interventions I think was the phrase which has been

:29:19. > :29:20.used, what is your sense of what is acceptable

:29:21. > :29:29.How involved can a constitutional monarch be in current issues?

:29:30. > :29:36.It's something which occupies a lot of my thinking space as to how

:29:37. > :29:42.on earth you would develop into something modern in today's world.

:29:43. > :29:45.I am in a unique position and actually a very privileged

:29:46. > :29:51.position to be able to see some of this now, which is that I have

:29:52. > :29:56.got my grandmother who takes a very, if you like, more of a passive role

:29:57. > :29:58.in how she believes her role should be, she is above politics,

:29:59. > :30:05.And I have got my father who minds an awful lot about the many causes

:30:06. > :30:10.he is involved in and really digs down into his charitable areas

:30:11. > :30:14.But I think in the Queen I have an extraordinary example of somebody

:30:15. > :30:18.who has done an enormous amount of good and she is probably the best

:30:19. > :30:24.I sense you are saying that when the time comes you will hope

:30:25. > :30:27.to be a rather more modern monarch and bring something

:30:28. > :30:33.I think the Royal family has to modernise and develop as it goes

:30:34. > :30:42.along and it has to stay relevant, that is the challenge from me,

:30:43. > :30:45.how do I make the Royal family relevant in the next 20 years' time?

:30:46. > :30:49.It could be 40 years' time, it could be 60 years' time, I have

:30:50. > :30:52.no idea when that is going to be and I certainly don't lie awake

:30:53. > :30:55.waiting or hoping for it because it sadly means that my family have

:30:56. > :30:59.But you must be confident that you can do that,

:31:00. > :31:01.that you can make and keep the monarchy relevant

:31:02. > :31:05.Absolutely, I hope that is something I can do.

:31:06. > :31:07.It is something I think is very important and the Queen

:31:08. > :31:10.is a fantastic role model to lead that as she has done

:31:11. > :31:26.Let's have a word with the man who took the image.

:31:27. > :31:33.How are you? Very well, thanks, Victoria. How were you selected

:31:34. > :31:36.then? I think what happens, a shortlist is made up which goes

:31:37. > :31:42.before a panel and in this instance I was the lucky winner. Halfs the

:31:43. > :31:46.atmosphere like in that room when you have the monarch and the one

:31:47. > :31:49.next in line to the throne and the one next in line to the throne and

:31:50. > :31:55.the next in line to the throne? It was very upbeat. It was a very, very

:31:56. > :31:59.relaxed and light hearted shoot. Frankly, a lot easier than when I

:32:00. > :32:05.tried to take pictures of my own family! It went pretty well. How

:32:06. > :32:09.long did you have them for? I'm guessing you would have felt a

:32:10. > :32:13.little bit nervous, did you? Yeah, a few butterflies is always good, it

:32:14. > :32:17.keeps you on your toes, but I think we had them from when they arrived

:32:18. > :32:25.until leaving for half an hour. Right, OK. Not that long then and

:32:26. > :32:30.the foam blocks that Prince George is standing on, that's the image

:32:31. > :32:33.that's on websites everywhere. Now that's not what we see on the

:32:34. > :32:40.postage stamp, but in terms of putting on the foam blocks, did they

:32:41. > :32:44.have not have a really beautifully guilt, ornate, antique stool that he

:32:45. > :32:48.could have stood on? No, we scoured the palace, but nothing was the

:32:49. > :32:52.right size to put Prince George's head in the right spot because that

:32:53. > :32:57.was the one tricky part was all the heads had to be in a certain

:32:58. > :33:02.position in relation to each other, not too close, otherwise the stamps

:33:03. > :33:06.couldn't be made and the perforations put there, so we needed

:33:07. > :33:09.to raise him up to the right height so that was the only solution we

:33:10. > :33:15.found. No, fair enough. It is a really, I mean, it is a very, it is

:33:16. > :33:18.a warm photograph, isn't it? They look relaxed. Compared to the kind

:33:19. > :33:23.of photographs you normally take, how does this compare? Well, every

:33:24. > :33:27.shot is different. You are looking for a different story every time,

:33:28. > :33:31.but that's spot on Victoria. I wanted a warm family portrait full

:33:32. > :33:35.stop and I think we got it. In actual fact when we saw the image

:33:36. > :33:38.that you see there, the one we used come on to the screen, everybody who

:33:39. > :33:43.was there, just nodded and said that's it, we have it. That's the

:33:44. > :33:46.one. Yeah. Brilliant, thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us. I

:33:47. > :33:48.really appreciate your time. Thank you.

:33:49. > :33:51.On the programme tomorrow we'll talk to one of the Queen's lifelong

:33:52. > :33:53.friends, Lady Jane Rayne-Lacy, to find out what she's

:33:54. > :33:56.really like when she's out of the public eye,

:33:57. > :33:59.as well as hearing from people who have worked and lived

:34:00. > :34:03.Still to come, the latest unemployment figures

:34:04. > :34:15.We will be talking to the new Work and Pensions Secretary in half an

:34:16. > :34:24.hour. And straight after that we'll look

:34:25. > :34:26.at what those figures mean There've been warnings

:34:27. > :34:44.on both sides. Andy ver rit joins us to talk about

:34:45. > :34:50.the unemployment Figgs? Unemployment ticked up. It ticked up and then it

:34:51. > :34:54.went down. It is at a low rate, just 5.1% or around that mark and that's

:34:55. > :35:00.the lowest it has been for a while. But what's really significant here,

:35:01. > :35:06.Victoria, is the earnings data which shows that average earnings only

:35:07. > :35:09.grew by 1.8%, now that's disappointing to say the least and

:35:10. > :35:12.against what the Bank of England was projecting just a few months ago.

:35:13. > :35:16.They were expecting it to be the case that wage pressure would grow,

:35:17. > :35:18.people would go to their bosses and start saying, "Look, inflation is

:35:19. > :35:24.coming back a bit, can you please give me a pay rise, I'd like a pay

:35:25. > :35:26.rise and that would push up prices a little bit, which the Bank of

:35:27. > :35:29.England wants because we have less inflation at the moment than is

:35:30. > :35:34.healthy for a good prospering economy. Now what's happened instead

:35:35. > :35:37.is wages have sagged and they are not growing by anything like the

:35:38. > :35:43.amount you'd expect them to grow at this point in the economic cycle.

:35:44. > :35:48.What's supposed to happen according to the economic theory, there is a

:35:49. > :35:52.thing called the Phillips Curve, when unemployment gets low, wages

:35:53. > :35:59.should shoot up and people should take advantage of the tighter labour

:36:00. > :36:02.market. Employers can't say I will hire someone else if you want a pay

:36:03. > :36:07.rise. That's not happening at the moment. Why? It is very difficult...

:36:08. > :36:11.It is our fault for not going to our bosses and saying, "Can I have a

:36:12. > :36:16.wage rise?" Perhaps, but economists are something of a loss to explain

:36:17. > :36:21.this properly just like they are at a loss to explain why we're failing

:36:22. > :36:24.to pick up productivity. Now one explanation has been that employers

:36:25. > :36:29.and companies, if they want toks pand, if their business is doing

:36:30. > :36:32.well, what they have been able to do easily is hire one else cheaply, but

:36:33. > :36:36.that should be changing and certainly the next labour market

:36:37. > :36:40.statistics will be very interesting because at that point we will have

:36:41. > :36:44.some impact of the national Living Wage and what that has done to wages

:36:45. > :36:48.and these Figgs aren't really taking that into account much. Unemployment

:36:49. > :36:53.has gone up a bit again. I mean, what's the reason for that as far as

:36:54. > :36:57.we can work out at this early stage? The ONS bulletin doesn't break down

:36:58. > :37:00.the reasons in which I can give you a simple explanation yet, but we

:37:01. > :37:04.should be careful about the unemployment numbers because they

:37:05. > :37:07.wobble around a lot. The main point about unemployment is the labour

:37:08. > :37:11.market is quite tight, but we seem to be generating these jobs. This is

:37:12. > :37:15.an economy that's generated an astonishing number of jobs which

:37:16. > :37:18.exceeded all economists' expectations from a few years ago

:37:19. > :37:21.and we're still generating those jobs even if unemployment has ticked

:37:22. > :37:26.up. Thank you very much, Andy. Thank you.

:37:27. > :37:29.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:37:30. > :37:32.An investigation for this programme has found that more than ?4 million

:37:33. > :37:34.is being paid each year in compensation to people who have

:37:35. > :37:36.been held unlawfully in immigration detention centres.

:37:37. > :37:38.The centres hold people the Government is trying to deport,

:37:39. > :37:40.including failed asylum-seekers and foreign prisoners.

:37:41. > :37:43.The Home Office says detention is part of a "firm

:37:44. > :37:52.Prince William has rejected criticism of his commitment

:37:53. > :37:56.to his Royal duties, saying he's currently focusing

:37:57. > :37:59.on his role as a father and as an air ambulance pilot,

:38:00. > :38:02.but is willing to take on more responsibility when the time comes.

:38:03. > :38:04.In a BBC interview to mark the Queen's 90th birthday,

:38:05. > :38:07.he also talked about the "incredible insights" he's gained from her,

:38:08. > :38:09.and his own ambitions for the monarchy when he finally

:38:10. > :38:15.The boss of the Port Talbot steelworks is forming a management

:38:16. > :38:17.buy-out team to try to take over Tata's UK operation,

:38:18. > :38:23.It's believed the deal would involve steel-making continuing at Port

:38:24. > :38:33.Managers would ask employees to help finance the new company

:38:34. > :38:35.with their own money as well as looking for private

:38:36. > :38:38.A group of senior ex-US advisors has warned

:38:39. > :38:47.Eight former US Treasury Secretaries warned that leaving

:38:48. > :38:50.would be a "risky bet", saying it could threaten London's

:38:51. > :38:53.In an article published on the eve of President Obama's

:38:54. > :38:57.They said it would be difficult to trade outside the

:38:58. > :39:02.Leave campaigners have accused the group of "belittling Britain's

:39:03. > :39:09.The body of a British man who went missing

:39:10. > :39:12.in the Andes in Peru, has been found almost two weeks

:39:13. > :39:15.Harry Greaves had been visiting friends in Pisac,

:39:16. > :39:18.about 50 miles from Machu Picchu, when he left for a solo hike two

:39:19. > :39:23.His family have paid tribute to him and thanked people for their help

:39:24. > :39:27.Children from poorer backgrounds get better grades if they do

:39:28. > :39:29.after-school activities or go to sports clubs,

:39:30. > :39:33.The study of more than 6,000 primary school pupils by the Institute

:39:34. > :39:36.of Education found the gap in test performance between poorer

:39:37. > :39:38.and better-off children was nearly halved, in those that took part

:39:39. > :39:45.in two extra-curricular clubs a week.

:39:46. > :39:46.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:39:47. > :40:01.Newcastle fans are fuming this morning after their 1-1 draw

:40:02. > :40:04.with Manchester City missing the chance to move out of

:40:05. > :40:08.They feel they should have had all three points because Sergio

:40:09. > :40:11.Before Alexsander Kolarov takes the freekick, Aguero fails to get

:40:12. > :40:13.back onside before heading in for his 100th

:40:14. > :40:17.The qualifier Michael Holt has enjoyed the biggest win

:40:18. > :40:20.of his career, knocking out former champion Neil Robertson

:40:21. > :40:24.He's the fifth former winner to lose in the first round this year.

:40:25. > :40:26.Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has claimed that female drivers

:40:27. > :40:29.would not "physically be able to drive an F1 car quickly".

:40:30. > :40:32.The 85-year-old said last night that he doesn't think women would be

:40:33. > :40:36."taken seriously" in the sport though he does believe more women

:40:37. > :40:41.will become F1 chief executives in the future.

:40:42. > :40:49.Have you decided yet whether you want Britain to leave

:40:50. > :40:53.You'll get the chance to vote on 23rd June and it's

:40:54. > :40:56.Both sides are arguing over things like immigration,

:40:57. > :41:00.Each week until you vote, we're asking our political guru

:41:01. > :41:05.Norman Smith to take a look at one of these big themes.

:41:06. > :41:08.This week given we've just heard the latest UK job figures -

:41:09. > :41:12.We'll be speaking with two guests from either side of the referendum

:41:13. > :41:23.Thanks, well jobs in my view is probably the most important

:41:24. > :41:26.four-letter word in politics because if you don't have a job then

:41:27. > :41:30.everything gets tricky, but here is the funny thing in this referendum

:41:31. > :41:34.campaign. Both sides are saying that jobs is a vote winning issue for

:41:35. > :41:38.them. So those who want us to stay in the EU say there will be more

:41:39. > :41:41.jobs if we stay and those who want us to leave says no there will be

:41:42. > :41:47.more jobs if we leave. What's the truth? Well, let's start off with

:41:48. > :41:53.the facts about unemployment in the European Union. Well, take a look at

:41:54. > :41:57.this. In Spain, unemployment is 20%. In Greece, it is worse, 24%. So

:41:58. > :42:02.imagine that nearly every fourth person you meet on the street is out

:42:03. > :42:09.of work. France, similar sort of economy to ours, but even there, 10%

:42:10. > :42:13.unemployment, but look at us, 5%. Now, remain campaigners say that

:42:14. > :42:18.shows how we can prosper on the jobs front in the EU. They say the EU is

:42:19. > :42:24.critical to boosting our job prospects. Why? Well, first off,

:42:25. > :42:28.three million jobs in Britain are linked to the EU. So the argument

:42:29. > :42:32.goes if we leave, maybe, maybe some of those jobs might be at risk.

:42:33. > :42:36.Secondly, workers rights, lots of the sort of jobs we have, the sort

:42:37. > :42:41.of conditions we enjoy are better because we're part of the EU because

:42:42. > :42:45.it guarantees things like holiday pay and sick pay. And lastly,

:42:46. > :42:51.foreign investment, the argument goes big companies like BMW or

:42:52. > :42:55.Nissan, why do they come to bloigty? They come to Blighty because we are

:42:56. > :42:58.part of the EU. The remain side say if we left the EU and we are no

:42:59. > :43:03.longer part of the single market that would have a devastating effect

:43:04. > :43:07.on jobs. Have a listen to Labour's Yvette Cooper.

:43:08. > :43:11.The Leave campaign said this means being outside the single market.

:43:12. > :43:16.Well, that means a risk of tariffs. It means that our services would not

:43:17. > :43:21.be included and that is a real threat to jobs, to investment, and

:43:22. > :43:25.to trade and they're just hoping it is all somehow going to be all right

:43:26. > :43:31.and crossing their fingers when it will be people's jobs and

:43:32. > :43:35.livelihoods at risk. What do the Brexiters say? They say that's

:43:36. > :43:40.nonsense, there will be more jobs. We will be liberated if we get out

:43:41. > :43:45.of the EU. First off, trade deals, we will be able to negotiate our

:43:46. > :43:49.trade deals with big emerging countries like China and yand, we

:43:50. > :43:55.won't have to wait for the EU to get its act together. Secondly,

:43:56. > :43:59.immigration kerbs, we can control who is coming in to do jobs in

:44:00. > :44:04.Britain so we can make sure our plastering and plumbing jobs aren't

:44:05. > :44:08.hovered up by other folk. Lastly, red tape, the burden of regulation

:44:09. > :44:12.from the EU. It is estimated it costs British business ?600 million

:44:13. > :44:16.a week, we can get rid of that, therefore, business in Britain will

:44:17. > :44:21.be free to create more jobs and yesterday, Michael Gove, in the big

:44:22. > :44:26.Brexit speech, said, "Look f we leave, we can pick and choose what

:44:27. > :44:30.kind of workers come to Britain." We have to impose stricter

:44:31. > :44:35.limitations on individuals from other nations whom we might actively

:44:36. > :44:40.want to welcome. Whether it is family members from Commonwealth

:44:41. > :44:43.countries, the top doctors and scientists or the technicians who

:44:44. > :44:47.could power growth. We have to put them at the back of queue behind

:44:48. > :44:53.anyone who is granted citizenship by any other EU country.

:44:54. > :44:57.If you ask most people what was the most iconic political advert in

:44:58. > :45:02.recent history? I suspect most people would harp back to the very,

:45:03. > :45:07.very famous advert in 1979 which got Mrs T into power which was all about

:45:08. > :45:14.jobs. It was a picture of a whole load of people lining up outside a

:45:15. > :45:18.Jobcentre and underneath was the slogan, "Labour isn't working." It

:45:19. > :45:20.tells us how critical jobs is an issue in elections and also, I

:45:21. > :45:28.suspect in this referendum. Well, the unemployment

:45:29. > :45:33.figures are just out. Let's speak now to Stephen Crabb,

:45:34. > :45:47.the new Work and Pensions Secretary. Why do you think unemployment is up?

:45:48. > :45:54.This is one month's set of data and you should never read too much into

:45:55. > :45:59.one individual month's set of data. What is important is the underlying

:46:00. > :46:03.trend and today's data shows that the trends are positive. The overall

:46:04. > :46:08.implement rate, people going out to work every day, at record high

:46:09. > :46:13.levels which is very good. Could it be down to anxieties about Britain

:46:14. > :46:17.possibly leaving the European Union? It has been a difficult four months

:46:18. > :46:25.in terms of international finance markets, the most turbulent start

:46:26. > :46:30.for many decades. There are big questions hanging over the British

:46:31. > :46:34.economy because of the question about our status within the European

:46:35. > :46:38.Union. You are saying there is a link between these figures and

:46:39. > :46:45.worries, uncertainty about leaving the European Union? Yes. That is not

:46:46. > :46:50.just a personal opinion. Mark Carney, the governor of the Bank of

:46:51. > :46:56.England, has also said the questions are having a real terms impact on

:46:57. > :46:59.the British economy, impacting on sterling exchange rates and

:47:00. > :47:04.investment decisions. There will be companies today looking at major

:47:05. > :47:09.investments in the UK who are hanging back and considering whether

:47:10. > :47:15.that is the right thing to do. I am not saying the 21,000 increase is a

:47:16. > :47:22.direct result of that but it is an example of the types of questions

:47:23. > :47:25.those people who who said Britain should leave have to explain why

:47:26. > :47:31.their vision makes the picture better. And in France's job

:47:32. > :47:38.opportunities. This is your government's fault. Uncertainty over

:47:39. > :47:43.the run-up to the referendum. That is why you are seeing unemployment

:47:44. > :47:47.is going up. We have had the argument about whether it is the

:47:48. > :47:51.right thing to have a referendum. Very few people do not think it is

:47:52. > :47:56.the right thing to do. You have to be almost 60 years old to have had

:47:57. > :48:03.the last opportunity to have participated in a referendum on

:48:04. > :48:08.Britain's membership in the EU. I did not have a is to vote and many

:48:09. > :48:13.other people did not either. It is right we have responded. We have

:48:14. > :48:17.promised to have a referendum. A lot of people did not believe us and we

:48:18. > :48:22.are following through on the commitment to have a referendum. We

:48:23. > :48:27.are outlining what it means for British families. If Britain votes

:48:28. > :48:32.to remain in the European Union how will that affect jobs? It is good we

:48:33. > :48:39.are part of a trading block of 500 million consumers. How will it

:48:40. > :48:44.affect jobs? We are the most open economy in Europe and jobs have been

:48:45. > :48:52.increasing as a result. We benefit from our international trading.

:48:53. > :48:57.Creating factories and new plant and investment in the UK. That

:48:58. > :49:01.translates into real jobs. Looking at where the investment is going

:49:02. > :49:05.very often it is going into industrial communities which badly

:49:06. > :49:09.need those new jobs and that is why if we came out of the European Union

:49:10. > :49:12.and work outside of the single market it would be much more

:49:13. > :49:20.difficult for manufacturers which would make it difficult for

:49:21. > :49:25.construction. The Employment Minister would usually talk about

:49:26. > :49:34.the figures. She wants Britain to leave the EU. As she been sidelined?

:49:35. > :49:47.Not at all. She is very busy today. I thought it would be good to front

:49:48. > :49:48.up and respond myself. Thank you. We are going to focus on the jobs

:49:49. > :49:58.market. Let's talk now to the former

:49:59. > :50:01.Director General of the British He resigned after he was suspended

:50:02. > :50:05.for saying the UK's long-term prospects could be "brighter"

:50:06. > :50:06.outside the EU. He is now Chairman of

:50:07. > :50:09.the Vote Leave Business Council. And CEO of the lingerie and sex

:50:10. > :50:11.shop chain Ann Summers. Jacqueline Gold, who thinks Britain

:50:12. > :50:14.is better off remaining in the EU. There are over 140 Ann Summers

:50:15. > :50:28.shops, and the company employs Why leave? Because Britain will take

:50:29. > :50:36.back control of its economy and be able to grow the economy faster. How

:50:37. > :50:46.do you know? It is of the us. How do you know the economy will grow

:50:47. > :50:52.faster? Explain. We will be able to expatriates the money we will be

:50:53. > :50:55.able to play in the EU each week, ?350 million, which can be invested

:50:56. > :51:02.in infrastructure and public services. We will be able to make

:51:03. > :51:07.trade deals and do trade. We will be able to rebalance the jobs market in

:51:08. > :51:12.the UK because the current arrangement with Europe distorts the

:51:13. > :51:16.UK economy. We have the worst of all worlds, and Mike unlimited supply of

:51:17. > :51:21.cheap labour from the European Union which has a downward pressure on

:51:22. > :51:28.wages and produces a low-wage low skill more productivity economy, no

:51:29. > :51:31.incentive for employers to invest in skills or productivity. We want a

:51:32. > :51:41.high skill high productivity high wage economy. Business in the UK has

:51:42. > :51:46.massive skills shortages. Engineers, IT people. Those skills are outside

:51:47. > :51:53.of the European Union but we are unable to bring the men. The

:51:54. > :51:58.Australians told me they had 2500 work visas granted last year and

:51:59. > :52:04.gross immigration into the UK was 680,000. That cannot be right. That

:52:05. > :52:12.is how we will grow our economy faster by being outside the European

:52:13. > :52:15.Union. ?350 million a week, it is about ?160 million when you take

:52:16. > :52:24.into account what we get back. Not quite. It is ?20 billion a year

:52:25. > :52:28.which we get back about ?10 billion in rebate which will disappear in

:52:29. > :52:39.2020 and in support for regions and agriculture. A majority of members

:52:40. > :52:42.of the CBI, your old organisation, the Institute of Directors, the

:52:43. > :52:48.Federation of Small Businesses, the car industry and so on says staying

:52:49. > :53:01.in is the best thing for jobs. They do not. They do. They do not. They

:53:02. > :53:09.do. The Federation of Small Businesses have not taken a

:53:10. > :53:14.position. It was 50-50. The other organisations represent only one

:53:15. > :53:16.fifth of UK businesses. If you analyse the figures carefully you

:53:17. > :53:21.would find that if you look at who makes up the majority of our economy

:53:22. > :53:28.business is split down the middle. Why stay? You run a huge business

:53:29. > :53:34.employing 10,000 people. It is good for business, for the economy,

:53:35. > :53:39.growth, jobs. When you look at the economy at the moment, the strongest

:53:40. > :53:46.it has been for two years, I cannot understand why you would want to

:53:47. > :53:54.jeopardise that, why you would not allow the economy to grow. It could

:53:55. > :53:59.grow faster and further says John Longworth because your business will

:54:00. > :54:02.be unshackled from European regulations and directives that

:54:03. > :54:07.potentially hinder prosperity. We do not know that it will continue to

:54:08. > :54:16.grow. That is where my doubts are. The one thing I do not think he can

:54:17. > :54:23.tell us is whether businesses will be impacted negatively by exiting.

:54:24. > :54:33.What about the economy? There is no guarantee. That is a great concern.

:54:34. > :54:38.If you look at that question there is uncertainty on both sides. In a

:54:39. > :54:45.very uncertain world, in the world we live in, we have 2.4 times debt

:54:46. > :54:54.in the world against GDP, a very dangerous and uncertain thing. There

:54:55. > :54:58.is uncertainty on both sides. If we stay we can be certain that the

:54:59. > :55:02.eurozone will make all the decisions and we will have to comply with

:55:03. > :55:08.them. We will continue to PN but will have no say. All of the things

:55:09. > :55:13.the Prime Minister says will happen to us if we believe will happen if

:55:14. > :55:18.we stay. If we leave we can react to those uncertainties in the world.

:55:19. > :55:23.Even if we leave you will still have to meet those regulations and rules.

:55:24. > :55:28.You cannot expect that you're not going to have to obey those rules.

:55:29. > :55:36.Surely having a place round the table... Britain leads challenging

:55:37. > :55:43.those regulations. Why would you not want to have that plays at the

:55:44. > :55:47.table? You are right in the sense that I have spent 30 years

:55:48. > :55:52.challenging the Brussels regulations but it has been futile because it is

:55:53. > :55:57.a political project. They do not want to hear that. I many jobs will

:55:58. > :56:05.be lost if Britain leads the European Union? We will gain jobs.

:56:06. > :56:11.No jobs will be lost? Not as a consequence. On the contrary I think

:56:12. > :56:17.the economy will grow faster. You do not know that. The day we leave in

:56:18. > :56:21.the month and the year after we leave nothing will change. The

:56:22. > :56:27.process of change will be in our hands. You are already experiencing

:56:28. > :56:31.a drop in consumer confidence because of this period of

:56:32. > :56:39.uncertainty. That is not going to improve. That will continue to

:56:40. > :56:42.deteriorate if we exit. There is the economy to consider and how that

:56:43. > :56:47.will affect jobs and from a business perspective myself a lack of

:56:48. > :56:54.opportunity for growth, which is a release severe concern, I think if

:56:55. > :56:59.we leave it will be going backwards. There is a suspicion amongst some

:57:00. > :57:03.bad big firms like yours and others want to stay because EU membership

:57:04. > :57:09.with free movement of people and workers allowed you to keep wages

:57:10. > :57:14.low. If I take my warehouses an example it is true that two thirds

:57:15. > :57:17.of my warehouse have our European. They are paid the same as our

:57:18. > :57:24.British workers and it is nothing to do with wages. We are based on the

:57:25. > :57:29.edge of London and not all British people want to take on lower skilled

:57:30. > :57:35.jobs and work those unsociable hours that you have to have in retail,

:57:36. > :57:40.whereas Europeans come in and are very receptive to being adapted to

:57:41. > :57:47.those working hours. To take that pool of talent away from me would

:57:48. > :57:50.seriously jeopardise my business. The European Union has been a

:57:51. > :57:56.disaster for working people in the UK. At this point in the economic

:57:57. > :58:00.cycle there should be natural rise in wages in the and it is not

:58:01. > :58:05.happening therefore we end up with perverse government policies like

:58:06. > :58:08.the minimum wage and in work tax credits, things that the government

:58:09. > :58:13.are doing because they cannot tackle the root cause which is an unlimited

:58:14. > :58:20.supply of cheap labour from the European Union. She has said of the

:58:21. > :58:26.free movement of people as effective it is going to be a disaster for

:58:27. > :58:33.your business. Yes. That will actually not happen. We will adopt

:58:34. > :58:39.the system that perfectly civilised countries like Australia, Canada and

:58:40. > :58:46.New Zealand have, which is a points system based on economic need, so we

:58:47. > :58:53.can get the people we need and not have excess. The EU are not our

:58:54. > :58:56.enemy, they are our friends. Talking about employment and women's rights

:58:57. > :59:01.and what the EU have done for women in the sense that they have

:59:02. > :59:09.prohibited discrimination, made it impossible to sack somebody who is

:59:10. > :59:14.pregnant, extended maternity pay for 14 weeks. This was not led by a

:59:15. > :59:19.British led initiative, this was EU membership. No doubt we will keep

:59:20. > :59:28.all of those things. You do not know. We do. We have said we will.

:59:29. > :59:33.That has prevented people working overtime and destroyed the trucking

:59:34. > :59:38.industry because drivers cannot afford to compete against foreign

:59:39. > :59:46.truckers. It has prevented the government having zero rating. If

:59:47. > :59:50.you were making a business decision you would not say, this looks like a

:59:51. > :59:54.good idea, we do not know how it is going to work out but we will go

:59:55. > :59:58.with it. You would not jeopardise your business so why would you

:59:59. > :00:02.jeopardise the country? That is the ultimate gamble. If we stay in we

:00:03. > :00:19.will jeopardise the country. It is time for the weather. Here is

:00:20. > :00:24.Carol. If you have a bit of a cold today it might be because pollen

:00:25. > :00:29.levels are high. For the rest of us outside England and Wales they are

:00:30. > :00:34.low. We are looking at wall to wall blue skies across the board. Patchy

:00:35. > :00:39.cloud in the South East and across the south-west. We have bigger cloud

:00:40. > :00:44.in northern Scotland producing showers but for most it will be a

:00:45. > :00:48.beautiful day. When the over the south coast. Sea breezes from the

:00:49. > :00:58.north coast. It will feel a bit cooler on the coast. Top

:00:59. > :01:02.temperatures 16 degrees. As we had to the evening and overnight there

:01:03. > :01:07.will be some clearance in the sky allowing some frost in the

:01:08. > :01:10.countryside. Patchy mist and fraud and still be thicker cloud in the

:01:11. > :01:14.North with showers and bigger crowd pushing him across the far

:01:15. > :01:19.south-west. As we head into tomorrow, that is the scenario we

:01:20. > :01:23.start with. Bigger cloud in the south-west bringing in light rain.

:01:24. > :01:29.Club will build in the southern half of England and Wales turning the

:01:30. > :01:35.sunshine QC. Not as sunny as today we are back in a sunny skies once

:01:36. > :01:36.again. Temperatures between 13 and 15, possibly 16. It will turn colder

:01:37. > :01:42.it the weekend. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:01:43. > :01:44.welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

:01:45. > :01:46.coming up before 11? ?18 million compensation over four

:01:47. > :01:49.years, that's what the government has paid out to failed asylum

:01:50. > :01:51.seekers and foreign criminals We asked one detainee who received

:01:52. > :02:09.33 grand how he spent the money. I twisted it on drugs and gambling

:02:10. > :02:11.because they don't open the account. They said we could open an account

:02:12. > :02:14.for you. Violent crime has been dropping

:02:15. > :02:17.for years but the trend seems And there's been a rise in the

:02:18. > :02:21.number of attacks on the over 50s. We'll look at why this could be

:02:22. > :02:31.happening and talk to two Treated as a nuisance by the police,

:02:32. > :02:33.Lily Allen criticises the Met for her case's handling. We hear from

:02:34. > :02:40.two women who were stocked. An investigation for this programme

:02:41. > :02:53.has found that more than ?4 million is being paid each year

:02:54. > :02:55.in compensation to people who have been held unlawfully

:02:56. > :02:57.in immigration detention centres. The centres hold people

:02:58. > :03:03.the government is trying to deport, including failed asylum-seekers

:03:04. > :03:04.and foreign prisoners. The Home Office says

:03:05. > :03:07.detention is part of a 'firm Prince William has rejected

:03:08. > :03:12.criticism of his commitment to his royal duties,

:03:13. > :03:14.saying he's currently focusing on his role as a father

:03:15. > :03:17.and as an air ambulance pilot - but is willing to take on more

:03:18. > :03:20.responsibility when the time comes. In a BBC interview to mark

:03:21. > :03:22.the Queen's 90th birthday, he also talked about the "incredible

:03:23. > :03:25.insights" he's gained from her and his own ambitions

:03:26. > :03:28.for the monarchy when he finally The number of people out of work has

:03:29. > :03:35.gone up for the first time UK unemployment rose

:03:36. > :03:38.by 21,000 to 1.7 million A group of senior ex-US

:03:39. > :03:57.advisors has warned Eight former US Treasury Secretaries

:03:58. > :04:01.warned that leaving would be a 'risky bet', saying it

:04:02. > :04:03.could threaten London's pre-eminence In an article published

:04:04. > :04:06.on the eve of President Obama's visit to London -

:04:07. > :04:09.they said it would be difficult to trade outside

:04:10. > :04:11.the single European zone. Leave campaigners accused the group

:04:12. > :04:13.of "belittling Britain's Presidential hopefuls Donald Trump

:04:14. > :04:18.and Hillary Clinton have scored big wins in New York,

:04:19. > :04:21.in the contest to choose the It's not yet known if Mr Trump has

:04:22. > :04:25.secured a clean sweep of all Republican delegates at stake

:04:26. > :04:28.by earning the majority of votes. Victory for Mrs Clinton ends a run

:04:29. > :04:30.of recent defeats against her Children from poorer backgrounds get

:04:31. > :04:37.better grades if they do after-school activities or go

:04:38. > :04:39.to sports clubs, The study of more than 6,000 primary

:04:40. > :04:45.school pupils by the Institute of Education found the gap in test

:04:46. > :04:51.performance between poorer and better-off children was nearly

:04:52. > :04:54.halved, in those that took part in The singer, Lily Allen,

:04:55. > :05:00.has been telling BBC Newsnight about the night a stalker broke

:05:01. > :05:02.into her house. Alex Gray was convicted this month,

:05:03. > :05:05.but the singer now says she thinks the police dealing with the case

:05:06. > :05:08.'victim-shamed' her after she spoke Something's really wrong

:05:09. > :05:19.with this guy, and, uhm, and I feel like he's been let down,

:05:20. > :05:23.I've been let down, and how many That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:24. > :05:36.News, more at 10.30am. Let's have some sport now and go

:05:37. > :05:39.over to Chris Mitchell at the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield

:05:40. > :05:57.where he's getting a backstage look Hello. We are giving you a little

:05:58. > :06:02.bit of an insight today. We are in the inner sanctum at the Crucible in

:06:03. > :06:06.Sheffield. This is where the top players come to practice ahead of

:06:07. > :06:12.their big matches. We just had the top Chinese player practising on

:06:13. > :06:17.this table. These tables are like the ones just a few metres away on

:06:18. > :06:25.the Crucible floor where they are playing for around half $1 million.

:06:26. > :06:30.Who will win? Yet again we have had another former world champion

:06:31. > :06:34.knocked out. The Robertson has gone, beaten by Michael Holt, the

:06:35. > :06:38.surprises keep coming. The running of the red carpet to Ronnie

:06:39. > :06:43.O'Sullivan who begins his second round match in a few days. That may

:06:44. > :06:48.give you a little look at this room. It is quite big. We have the baby

:06:49. > :06:53.seat sport cameras providing live and continuous coverage throughout

:06:54. > :06:58.the three weeks here in Sheffield. What is this game all about? We all

:06:59. > :07:05.know about snooker, we know about Stephen Hendry, all the big names of

:07:06. > :07:09.the game, but it has turned rather global in recent years. It is not

:07:10. > :07:20.just the English playing snooker, it is the whole world and it is a sport

:07:21. > :07:25.that came from humble beginnings. This body gets back to the English

:07:26. > :07:29.game of billiards. It was a particular gentleman, popular with

:07:30. > :07:33.royalty. By the late 19th century, British Armed Forces in India

:07:34. > :07:39.adapted the game but adding coloured balls, snooker was born. The first

:07:40. > :07:44.official said crews were drafted in 1882. The group grew in popularity

:07:45. > :07:48.in England, though it was still they came for the gentry. In 1927, a

:07:49. > :07:57.chubby chip tournament was organised. The standard wasn't quite

:07:58. > :08:00.what we used to today. The highest was just 60. In the 1930s and 40s,

:08:01. > :08:06.snooker was dominated by Jill Davis. He won the first 15 World

:08:07. > :08:13.Championships. The big turning point for the sport was television. In the

:08:14. > :08:18.late 1960s, the BBC ordered to show the latest colour TV technology and

:08:19. > :08:23.snooker was the perfect vehicle. It wasn't long before the World

:08:24. > :08:30.Championship was televised. In Britain, future TV audiences tune in

:08:31. > :08:34.as players like Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor became household

:08:35. > :08:38.names. Despite that famous defeat, Steve Davis dominated the sport in

:08:39. > :08:46.the 1980s. A decade later, Stephen Hendry ruled the world as interest

:08:47. > :08:51.spread outside the UK. Fast forward 20 years and you have a sport which

:08:52. > :08:55.is truly global. Snooker has an audience of 500 million as players

:08:56. > :09:06.from around the world compete for the biggest prize in the sport. Yes,

:09:07. > :09:11.snooker is truly global and to give you an impression of that, and

:09:12. > :09:14.illustration, three Chinese players are in action today here in

:09:15. > :09:21.Sheffield. Perhaps the biggest game of the day, Judd Trump, one of the

:09:22. > :09:27.most popular players, against Liang Wenbo. Look how close we are. Look

:09:28. > :09:33.at the access we have. It lot of people don't realise when you watch

:09:34. > :09:40.on TV how big these tables are. That work along. Let's see how big it is

:09:41. > :09:48.and how difficult it is to get these big balls into these small pockets.

:09:49. > :09:53.We have players coming in now they want to be world champion, coming

:09:54. > :10:00.in, getting ready for the big game this afternoon and that big game is

:10:01. > :10:06.Judd Trump, Liang Wenbo. It is all on BBC News, the BBC website. Have a

:10:07. > :10:15.look and I will practice my game. I don't have a cute though. Set the

:10:16. > :10:17.pulse. I will play with my hand. He is enjoying himself way too much.

:10:18. > :10:22.Why doesn't he just get a cute? Thousands of people are being held

:10:23. > :10:25.in immigration detention centres across the UK waiting to be

:10:26. > :10:28.deported, some are asylum seekers who've had their applications

:10:29. > :10:30.to stay in the country refused; others are foreign criminals who've

:10:31. > :10:34.been released from prison and who are also waiting to be sent

:10:35. > :10:38.back to their country of origin. Most pass through these centres

:10:39. > :10:41.in months, but others can be An investigation by this programme

:10:42. > :10:45.has found that the government paid out ?18 million in compensation

:10:46. > :10:48.in four years to people who were kept in these

:10:49. > :10:52.centres unlawfully. The biggest individual payout

:10:53. > :10:59.between 2012 and 2015 was ?155,000. So is the system of removing people

:11:00. > :11:05.from the UK broken? We'll talk about this more

:11:06. > :11:08.in a moment with the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants

:11:09. > :11:10.and a UKIP Member of First, here's a clip

:11:11. > :11:24.from Catrin Nye's exclusive report. Ahmed is a Christian and came to the

:11:25. > :11:29.UK 17 years ago seeking asylum from Iran. His claim field, he developed

:11:30. > :11:33.a drug problem and ended up in prison for stabbing a man. The

:11:34. > :11:42.security guard was challenging me over shoplifting. I stabbed him. I

:11:43. > :11:45.stabbed him. After prison, Ahmed was sent to detention for deportation.

:11:46. > :11:49.Immigration detention centres are holding centres for different

:11:50. > :11:54.categories of people the government wants to deport. Iran wouldn't

:11:55. > :11:57.accept Ahmed back. He doesn't have a passport and the UK Government

:11:58. > :12:04.doesn't have documentation to prove he's uranium. Three and a half years

:12:05. > :12:12.detention. They cannot deport an Iranian guy without an Iranian

:12:13. > :12:15.passport. Ahmed was awarded ?33,000 compensation for unlawful detention

:12:16. > :12:18.and he is one of many. The government has paid out millions in

:12:19. > :12:23.compensation to those it should not have held in immigration detention.

:12:24. > :12:30.A total of more than ?18 million over four years. The UK is the only

:12:31. > :12:34.country in Europe that has no time limit to detention. Immigration

:12:35. > :12:37.detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office

:12:38. > :12:41.is attempting to deport someone and there is a reasonable prospect of

:12:42. > :12:46.that taking place, but we are seeing people detained for months, often

:12:47. > :12:53.years, long after it becomes apparent that there is no prospect

:12:54. > :12:58.of their deportation taking place. Between 2012 and 2015 the Home

:12:59. > :13:03.Office has had to hand over up to ?155,000 to individuals wrongfully

:13:04. > :13:07.detained. 32,000 people went through these centres last year. 60% then

:13:08. > :13:12.went back into the community in the United Kingdom. There aren't many

:13:13. > :13:18.stories at work on everyone agrees the system is an absolute failure.

:13:19. > :13:23.Whether the whole system is a failure, I do not know, but this

:13:24. > :13:28.part that is not working nearly well enough. Many taxpayers would be

:13:29. > :13:33.greatly annoyed and offended that their money is going to look after

:13:34. > :13:37.some of these people who should not be in these detention centres but we

:13:38. > :13:42.are paying out compensation because the courts have deemed they have

:13:43. > :13:47.been detained wrongly as well. Ahmed did not have a home for a right to

:13:48. > :13:53.stay in the UK and he blew it all. He now does have the right to stay.

:13:54. > :13:56.This is crazy. Wasting your time and my time and taxpayer money. It is

:13:57. > :14:02.all waste, waste, waste. We did ask the Home Office to come

:14:03. > :14:05.on the programme to speak to us but they decided against it and gave

:14:06. > :14:08.us this statement instead: Decisions to detain individuals

:14:09. > :14:10.are reviewed regularly to ensure they remain justified and reasonable

:14:11. > :14:13.and, if necessary, they can be We are committed to treating

:14:14. > :14:16.all detainees with dignity and respect and take the welfare

:14:17. > :14:19.of detainees very seriously. Here to talk about this

:14:20. > :14:22.is Chai Patel from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants

:14:23. > :14:25.who works with those who end up in detention centres,

:14:26. > :14:27.and Gerrard Batten the UKIP MEP for London and a former UKIP

:14:28. > :14:40.spokesman on immigration. Welcome those of you. What should

:14:41. > :14:46.Britain do with a man who cannot be returned to Iran because Iran won't

:14:47. > :14:48.have him and he has no passport? You are talking about specific cases

:14:49. > :14:53.where there might be difficulty that we have a broken and dysfunctional

:14:54. > :14:56.asylum system. The last time I saw figures there were a couple of

:14:57. > :15:01.hundred thousand cases backed up and waiting to be dealt with. If we

:15:02. > :15:04.could deal with the everyday cases more speedily and deport people more

:15:05. > :15:08.quickly we would have more time to spend on the difficult cases. Employ

:15:09. > :15:14.more efficient to go through the cases?

:15:15. > :15:22.We have open borders. We are not deporting people speedily who have

:15:23. > :15:28.no legal right to be here. We need new legislation that allows us to

:15:29. > :15:34.deport vias abuse of cases quickly, abusing our system I mean. We do not

:15:35. > :15:37.control it. We have no border controls with the EU but the rest of

:15:38. > :15:45.the world does not have much trouble getting in either. Everybody has to

:15:46. > :15:50.show a passport. Yes, but we do not just of uncontrolled immigration

:15:51. > :15:55.from the EU. This is not about immigration. It is about a silent

:15:56. > :16:08.seekers. It is not just the phylum see is. The people who have received

:16:09. > :16:15.compensation are asylum seekers waiting to be deported or foreign

:16:16. > :16:19.prisoners. I do not see why it is so difficult to deport these people. We

:16:20. > :16:22.should apply some diplomatic muscle and apply sanctions to those

:16:23. > :16:30.countries, hitting them where it hurts. Iran is the example. That is

:16:31. > :16:37.a particularly bad example of the country. I am sure there are other

:16:38. > :16:40.countries we can apply pressure to. If they are detained illegally to

:16:41. > :16:51.you agree they should be paid compensation? No. You do not agree

:16:52. > :16:56.they should be paid compensation if they are detained illegally. What

:16:57. > :17:00.rights do they have? If they are here illegally they do not have a

:17:01. > :17:07.legal right to be here therefore it is reasonable to detain them for a

:17:08. > :17:12.period of time and depending on the case... I do not agree we should be

:17:13. > :17:16.detaining people for three years. They should not be funded by the

:17:17. > :17:25.taxpayer. It is tens of thousands of pounds. How do you fix this system?

:17:26. > :17:30.What is the answer? It is important to note that people who claim

:17:31. > :17:34.asylum, anybody has the right to claim asylum and if they are not

:17:35. > :17:40.granted asylum they can be removed but that does not mean they are here

:17:41. > :17:45.illegally, it means they came here and claimed a legal right and it was

:17:46. > :17:50.decided they are not refugees and we are not going to grant them asylum

:17:51. > :17:57.and they can be removed. When you detain someone the Home Office is

:17:58. > :18:00.only meant to do that when they are about to be removed and it is meant

:18:01. > :18:03.to be used sparingly and what we are seeing in the current detention

:18:04. > :18:07.system is that the Home Office is massively using that system and

:18:08. > :18:14.detaining more people than it should. Why? It is a combination of

:18:15. > :18:19.errors. A huge amount of pressure to be seen to be doing things about

:18:20. > :18:24.people. Home Office caseworkers, the people who make the decisions to

:18:25. > :18:29.detain, are often not clear on their obligations under the rules and do

:18:30. > :18:34.not looked cases properly and often do not consider relevant evidence. A

:18:35. > :18:37.lot of mistakes are made putting people into detention, a lot of it

:18:38. > :18:42.is done for administrative convenience. People watching our

:18:43. > :18:50.cross about the amounts being paid in compensation. Janet says ?33,000,

:18:51. > :18:55.what a waste of money for nothing. Some people work for years to earn

:18:56. > :19:01.that. Chris says, are we supposed to feel sorry for the man in your

:19:02. > :19:10.report? He is an army deserter. Even his own country does not want him

:19:11. > :19:16.and who can blame them? Does it need more officials, more in admin? Is it

:19:17. > :19:22.about locking fewer people up? What if they disappear? The commonly

:19:23. > :19:25.agreed solution amongst most people who are not the government is that

:19:26. > :19:29.we should be locking far fewer people up. We use detention far more

:19:30. > :19:36.than other countries and have a different detention system in most

:19:37. > :19:42.countries. We are one of the few countries voted time-limit for

:19:43. > :19:45.detention. Recent cross Parliamentary inquiry into the use

:19:46. > :19:48.of detention in the UK came up with the number of recommendations on how

:19:49. > :19:54.to do this better than one of them is to have a 28 day time-limit for

:19:55. > :20:00.detention and the other is to engage more with detainees. Other countries

:20:01. > :20:04.that have much better rates of removal, if you want to speed up the

:20:05. > :20:09.process and make it work better you have to make it a fair process

:20:10. > :20:11.because people are more likely to engage if they feel they are being

:20:12. > :20:15.treated fairly. Thank you. Still to come: What are you meant

:20:16. > :20:18.to do if you get caught Well, this video will be shown

:20:19. > :20:22.to one million Brits who work in busy places like shopping

:20:23. > :20:25.centres, to try to teach them Paul Gascoigne has been talking

:20:26. > :20:48.about his alcoholism. On ITV's Good Morning Britain,

:20:49. > :20:50.the former England footballer Paul Gascoigne says he had been

:20:51. > :20:53.sober for months and the incident Over the years, he has been in rehab

:20:54. > :20:58.seven times, but this morning said only three of them

:20:59. > :21:00.were for alcohol addiction. Mentioned there so

:21:01. > :21:02.many times in rehab. People forget I have been

:21:03. > :21:04.there for Red Bull, Calpol, other I have only been in rehab really

:21:05. > :21:09.seriously three times When was the last time

:21:10. > :21:18.you were in rehab? That was when I passed

:21:19. > :21:23.away apparently. Some people get it quite

:21:24. > :21:31.early and get this In Bournemouth where

:21:32. > :21:35.I live there are a lot of people who have had this addiction

:21:36. > :21:38.who are allowed to get on with it. I am not allowed to get

:21:39. > :21:42.on with my illness. I am being followed all

:21:43. > :21:47.I did you for my Life Stories show about four years ago.

:21:48. > :21:50.You have been through a hell of a lot then.

:21:51. > :21:51.You have been through a

:21:52. > :21:54.Looking at you now, you look in good nick.

:21:55. > :21:58.It is amazing what a bit of Botox can do

:21:59. > :22:02.Now, after the last one I said to someone, I am glad the

:22:03. > :22:05.papers did not get hold of it, and then they sent us a photo.

:22:06. > :22:07.Sometimes it helps us because when I am

:22:08. > :22:10.actually in it I do not realise how bad I actually am.

:22:11. > :22:13.When you saw that image, and it was a horrible image,

:22:14. > :22:15.you had cut your face, when you look at that

:22:16. > :22:16.picture, and the viewers are

:22:17. > :22:18.looking at it, what does that tell you?

:22:19. > :22:21.When you wake up and you realise what has happened, what goes

:22:22. > :22:25.I have to look back and think, where does it all

:22:26. > :22:29.Maybe I relapsed two weeks before I actually did so I have

:22:30. > :22:32.I leave the apartment where I am staying and

:22:33. > :22:33.the workmen will say, be careful, there

:22:34. > :22:35.are two guys waiting in the

:22:36. > :22:38.There is nothing worse when you are trying to relax

:22:39. > :22:44.I was three years sober there and I felt

:22:45. > :22:49.If I pop in and the press follows us they say I am going back

:22:50. > :23:02.When was the last time you had a drink? About a month ago I had a two

:23:03. > :23:07.deep lip. That was just momentary? You say you last had a drink 11

:23:08. > :23:15.months ago. When was that photograph taken? Three weeks ago you had a

:23:16. > :23:19.drink. Yes. If you were violently attacked,

:23:20. > :23:21.you'd go to A for treatment for your injuries and an annual

:23:22. > :23:24.survey of people treated in accident and emergency departments in England

:23:25. > :23:27.and Wales suggests the long-term decline in violence

:23:28. > :23:29.has come to an end. That's according to figures

:23:30. > :23:30.from Cardiff University. More women and girls,

:23:31. > :23:32.and those 50 and older, are being admitted to A

:23:33. > :23:35.in the last year due We're going to talk now to two

:23:36. > :23:40.people who were violently assaulted and treated in A afterwards,

:23:41. > :23:42.and two medical professionals who work in hospitals

:23:43. > :23:47.helping such patients. Paul Kohler, Head of School of Law

:23:48. > :23:50.at SOAS University of London, was attacked by burglars at his home

:23:51. > :23:53.in South London two years ago. Kate Bolsover says she was raped

:23:54. > :23:57.by her ex partner and had to go She's waived her right to anonymity

:23:58. > :24:02.to talk to us today. Dr Khaled Siriva and Dr

:24:03. > :24:13.Hamed Khan are also here. Tell our audience what happened when

:24:14. > :24:18.you answered the door a couple of years ago. It was a summer evening

:24:19. > :24:25.and four guys rushed through the door and started beating me up. I

:24:26. > :24:29.ended up with a fractured eye socket, multiple bruising, broken

:24:30. > :24:40.nose, needed a blood transfusion. Did they say anything? Yes, where is

:24:41. > :24:46.the money? How did you react? There was not any money. I am an academic

:24:47. > :24:50.for goodness sake. In terms of the injuries and the time it took to

:24:51. > :24:56.treat you to get you better, tell us about that. The NHS were phenomenal,

:24:57. > :25:01.incredibly professional, A were very good and took me in

:25:02. > :25:08.straightaway and treated me. I was in hospital for four days.

:25:09. > :25:18.Incredibly professional. They were caught and tried. What was the

:25:19. > :25:21.outcome? 13 to 19 years in prison. Thank you for weaving your right to

:25:22. > :25:28.anonymity. Tell us about what happened to you five and a half

:25:29. > :25:38.years ago. I had had the horribly abusive relationship and during that

:25:39. > :25:44.relationship I was raped ten times than the last time left me

:25:45. > :25:48.permanently damaged. I went to A, I worked at the hospital, I

:25:49. > :25:53.pretended I was going to work and I got help. You had to pretend you

:25:54. > :25:57.were going in for a shift, that was the only way you could get

:25:58. > :26:05.treatment? Yes. How were you treated? At the time, amazingly, but

:26:06. > :26:10.no mention was made about who had done this. I was given numbers for

:26:11. > :26:16.victim support and things like that but not actually anything was spoken

:26:17. > :26:21.about domestic abuse. Why use a prized you were not questioned

:26:22. > :26:26.gently a little more? If it happened now I would be but at the time I did

:26:27. > :26:33.not realise what I was going through was domestic abuse so it would have

:26:34. > :26:39.surprised me. You work in paediatrics. What injuries TUC

:26:40. > :26:47.following violent crime? I have seen a variety of different injuries,

:26:48. > :26:54.lots of fractures, broken bones, ie injuries, deep nasty lacerations as

:26:55. > :26:57.well. Often the perpetrators are other children. Gang related

:26:58. > :27:05.violence is increasing. 1500 child the rest last year and a 20% higher

:27:06. > :27:10.than the year before, with respect to gang-related violence, and often

:27:11. > :27:13.the perpetrators are people the children now. Do you question them

:27:14. > :27:20.as a medical professional about what happened? Absolutely. The real

:27:21. > :27:27.challenge in paediatric A when dealing with such indeed these is

:27:28. > :27:30.not to do with the clinical treatment, we have the expertise to

:27:31. > :27:35.physically treat the injuries, the real challenge is looking at the

:27:36. > :27:38.social determinants and the situation holistic like to find the

:27:39. > :27:43.underlying causes and dynamic that have led to a situation where a

:27:44. > :27:48.child has often not been sufficiently supervised or has got

:27:49. > :27:53.involved with gangs and so on is this is why a multi-agency approach

:27:54. > :27:56.with information between different professionals is so important

:27:57. > :28:03.because I only see a snapshot of that incident and that child. Tell

:28:04. > :28:06.us about the pilot project your hospital has just finished which is

:28:07. > :28:14.aimed at better tackling these kind of injuries. It started about two

:28:15. > :28:21.years ago. It was started by a doctor who has left the department.

:28:22. > :28:25.A project sharing information with Ealing Council about patients

:28:26. > :28:34.attending A with a sword. A generated report on a monthly basis

:28:35. > :28:39.-- assault. Giving anonymous information about the age of the

:28:40. > :28:45.victim and the location, giving the first two letters of the postcode

:28:46. > :28:51.and the nature of the injury. For knife crime or serious injury we are

:28:52. > :28:59.supposed to phone the police. The aim of that is what? To identify

:29:00. > :29:05.hotspots in the area that have higher rates of crime and tackle it.

:29:06. > :29:11.You recently installed the domestic violence officer. We have a domestic

:29:12. > :29:18.violence officer at the hospital. That is what Kate was referring to.

:29:19. > :29:27.Why? It is a high-profile topic, very topical, and we have to tackle

:29:28. > :29:32.that just as they do in paediatric and a multidiscipline fashion, we

:29:33. > :29:36.have an authors who gives counselling to the victims and makes

:29:37. > :29:44.sure they are safe and will not be victims of the perpetrators again.

:29:45. > :29:52.We offer them support and even cases to stay away from the perpetrator.

:29:53. > :29:54.You look well. Amazingly well. Psychologically how has what has

:29:55. > :30:01.happened to you affected you and your family? One moves on. It

:30:02. > :30:07.affected all of us, particularly my daughter, who called the police, she

:30:08. > :30:08.was upstairs. We met one of the perpetrators and that helped us,

:30:09. > :30:33.particularly my daughter. Meeting him made him more of a human

:30:34. > :30:37.being and less a monster. Treated as a nuisance by the police and victim

:30:38. > :30:41.ashamed, Lily Allen criticises the net for how they dealt with the

:30:42. > :30:47.case. But was she the exception or the other victims feel the same? Is

:30:48. > :30:51.Prince William a reluctant royal? Some newspapers have criticised him

:30:52. > :30:54.for being work-shy. You can hear what he thinks about that in our

:30:55. > :30:58.interview with him at a quarter to 11.

:30:59. > :31:00.Now it is time for the latest news headlines.

:31:01. > :31:03.An investigation for this programme has found that more than ?4 million

:31:04. > :31:06.is being paid each year in compensation to people who have

:31:07. > :31:07.been held unlawfully in immigration detention centres.

:31:08. > :31:10.The centres hold people the government is trying to deport,

:31:11. > :31:11.including failed asylum-seekers and foreign prisoners.

:31:12. > :31:14.The Home Office says detention is part of a 'firm

:31:15. > :31:22.Prince William has rejected criticism of his commitment

:31:23. > :31:24.to his royal duties, saying he's currently focusing

:31:25. > :31:27.on his role as a father and as an air ambulance pilot -

:31:28. > :31:30.but is willing to take on more responsibility when the time comes.

:31:31. > :31:33.In a BBC interview to mark the Queen's 90th birthday,

:31:34. > :31:36.he also talked about the "incredible insights" he's gained

:31:37. > :31:39.from her and his own ambitions for the monarchy when he finally

:31:40. > :31:48.The number of people out of work has gone up for the first time

:31:49. > :31:51.UK unemployment rose by 21,000 to 1.7 million

:31:52. > :32:08.Stephen Crabb said that the UK remains in a position of strength.

:32:09. > :32:15.We know you should never red too much into one individual set of

:32:16. > :32:19.monthly data. What is important is the underlying trend and the data

:32:20. > :32:24.shows the underlying trend in the UK economy are very positive indeed

:32:25. > :32:25.with the overall employment rate at record high levels. That is very

:32:26. > :32:27.good. The body of a British

:32:28. > :32:29.man who went missing in the Andes Mountains of Peru,

:32:30. > :32:32.has been found almost two weeks Harry Greaves had been

:32:33. > :32:35.visiting friends in Pisac, about 50 miles from Machu Picchu,

:32:36. > :32:38.when he left for a solo hike two His family have paid tribute to him,

:32:39. > :32:42.and thanked people for their help That's a summary of the latest news,

:32:43. > :32:59.join me for BBC Newsroom Newcastle missed the chance to move

:33:00. > :33:04.out of the Premier League relegation zone after a 1-1 draw with

:33:05. > :33:10.Manchester city. They may feel they should have taken all three points.

:33:11. > :33:18.Sergio Aguero clearly offside. Aguero headed in his 100th Premier

:33:19. > :33:22.League goal. The qualifier, Michael Holt has enjoyed the biggest win of

:33:23. > :33:27.his career, knocking out Neil Robertson at the World Snooker

:33:28. > :33:31.champion -- jumping ship. Robertson is the fourth former winner to lose

:33:32. > :33:37.in the first round this year. Russia is poised to announce reforms

:33:38. > :33:41.designed to restore trust in its anti-doping agency. Russian athletes

:33:42. > :33:43.are banned from international competition. They will find out next

:33:44. > :33:49.month if they are cleared for the real Olympics. Bernie Ecclestone has

:33:50. > :33:54.said female drivers could not physically drive a F1 car. He said

:33:55. > :33:56.they would be taken seriously though he believes more women will become

:33:57. > :34:02.F1 chief executives in the future. The reality of a possible mass

:34:03. > :34:05.terror attack in the UK hits home with plans for a million British

:34:06. > :34:08.people who work in busy places like shopping centres and railway

:34:09. > :34:11.stations to be taught what to do Paris and Brussels have already

:34:12. > :34:14.suffered this pain and tragedy and now intelligence bosses

:34:15. > :34:16.say attacks are more likely across Europe

:34:17. > :34:18.this summer on holidaymakers. They warn that the terror group

:34:19. > :34:21.Islamic State could be planning more attacks like the one in Tunisia last

:34:22. > :34:23.year, particularly in resorts At home, the threat

:34:24. > :34:27.level remains severe. Security experts plan to show this

:34:28. > :34:53.video to 1 million Brits this year. They want to show this video to

:34:54. > :34:58.hundreds of people so this could be for you.

:34:59. > :35:05.If you hear gunshots, the best option is to evacuate, but only do

:35:06. > :35:09.so if it will not put you in greater danger. Consider your route. Leave

:35:10. > :35:14.your belongings behind. Insist others come with you but do not let

:35:15. > :35:20.their indecision slow you down. Once you have identified a safe route,

:35:21. > :35:24.run. Consider your route as you leave. Will it place you in a line

:35:25. > :35:30.of fire? Is it safer to wait for the attacker to move before you

:35:31. > :35:35.continue? If you cannot move to safety, hide. Consider your exits

:35:36. > :35:39.and escape routes. Avoid dead ends and bottlenecks. Try to find places

:35:40. > :35:44.with reinforced walls. Try to lock yourself in a room and move away

:35:45. > :35:49.from the tour. Be as quiet as possible. Put your mobile phone to

:35:50. > :35:53.silent and switch of vibrate. Do not shout for help body do anything to

:35:54. > :35:57.give away to hiding place. The best hiding place will have a substantial

:35:58. > :36:05.physical barrier between you and the attacker. If you are able to

:36:06. > :36:08.evacuate, get as far away from the danger area as possible. Try to stop

:36:09. > :36:14.others from entering but only if this will not put you in danger.

:36:15. > :36:16.Call the police. Dialled 999 and tell them clearly the location of

:36:17. > :36:26.you and the attackers. Professor Anthony police is with us.

:36:27. > :36:33.What do you think of a video like this? I think it is very important.

:36:34. > :36:38.It is very necessary. There will be many people who say it is

:36:39. > :36:45.scaremongering. There will be many people who say is this likes dad

:36:46. > :36:50.army, do not panic? Stay calm and carry on. Actually, I think it is

:36:51. > :36:56.really important that at the time of heightened danger there should be

:36:57. > :37:01.people, nationally, you know what to do if any of us ordinary people get

:37:02. > :37:09.caught up in a terrorist attack, a bomb plot or what have you. This is

:37:10. > :37:13.a reintroduction of civil defence in this country as it was in the Second

:37:14. > :37:18.World War. 1 million people are going to be trained what to do in a

:37:19. > :37:25.basic way and that is good for all of us. So-called Islamic State

:37:26. > :37:33.appeared to be pretty resourceful. Is it inevitable that big cities in

:37:34. > :37:39.Europe and America will be targeted? I think it is absolutely inevitable

:37:40. > :37:45.that Islamic State jihadists will try to have a go at us either in our

:37:46. > :37:49.shopping centres, our shopping malls, our football matches or even

:37:50. > :37:54.on the beaches people want to take their well earned holiday is on. It

:37:55. > :37:58.is inevitable that it will do so, but it is not inevitable that they

:37:59. > :38:05.will do so successfully and that is very important. It is important to

:38:06. > :38:09.stress this point. MI5 and the joint terrorism analysis Centre have told

:38:10. > :38:14.us that the threat to us in the United Kingdom remains severe. That

:38:15. > :38:20.is to say that an attack on us is highly likely. Those attacks can be

:38:21. > :38:26.disrupted. Our Prime Minister, David Cameron, has told us that in 2015,

:38:27. > :38:30.seven Islamic State attacks were disrupted and people convicted and

:38:31. > :38:35.will be convicted. We shouldn't panic about this. We should stay

:38:36. > :38:39.calm, but the threat is there and it is vital that people should know

:38:40. > :38:46.what to do and as we heard just now, what people should do is not stand

:38:47. > :38:51.and at the brave person, people should run, they should seek shelter

:38:52. > :38:53.and they should dial 999. Thank you for your time.

:38:54. > :38:56.Singer Lily Allen has accused police dealing with her stalking case

:38:57. > :38:59.Ms Allen said that after she spoke out about her ordeal,

:39:00. > :39:01.a Met officer suggested her "high profile" intervention may

:39:02. > :39:06.have discouraged others from coming forward.

:39:07. > :39:09.It's estimated that one in five women and one in ten men

:39:10. > :39:11.will experience stalking in their adult life,

:39:12. > :39:14.but victims don't tend to tell the police about it

:39:15. > :39:19.In an interview with BBC Newsnight, Lily Allen spoke about the police's

:39:20. > :39:39.It transpires that on the 9th of October he had sent an e-mail to his

:39:40. > :39:45.mother saying that he was in London, had come into some money, probably

:39:46. > :39:51.from my handbag, and he was determined to murder a celebrity.

:39:52. > :40:01.The police didn't tell me that and I was living in the same flat on my

:40:02. > :40:10.own. Albeit with a security guard. Then, on the 11th, I was teaching at

:40:11. > :40:15.an event and I came home at about one o'clock in the morning to find

:40:16. > :40:19.the handbag that had been stolen on the bonnet of my car, burnt out. At

:40:20. > :40:28.which point I called the police and the police came over and I think

:40:29. > :40:34.that it was the next day that the installed CCTV on the outside of my

:40:35. > :40:47.house. Then, a day after that, he was arrested.

:40:48. > :40:52.Due to the high profile of this matter, I feel are the victims of

:40:53. > :40:56.similar crimes may have red the story and may not have the

:40:57. > :41:02.confidence in us to report such matters. As such it is important to

:41:03. > :41:06.understand what if anything, went wrong during the investigation. I

:41:07. > :41:13.was saddened to hear of this report so would like to hear your views on

:41:14. > :41:17.what we could do better. What do you think of that e-mail? I think it is

:41:18. > :41:22.a victim shaming and victim blaming. His sentencing must bring some

:41:23. > :41:28.relief. It does bring me some relief if he is sentenced and dealt with as

:41:29. > :41:34.a mentally ill person. If he is not, I am not safe and my children are

:41:35. > :41:38.not safe. I am not in the slightest bit angry with Alex Gray. I could

:41:39. > :41:43.see from the moment he came into my bedroom that he was ill and he

:41:44. > :41:52.needed help. I wanted to help them. I felt immediately like something is

:41:53. > :41:54.really wrong with this guy and I feel like

:41:55. > :42:01.I have been let down and how many other people are being let down?

:42:02. > :42:03.Zoe Dronfield joins us via webcam from Birmingham.

:42:04. > :42:06.She was stalked by her ex-partner who later attacked her

:42:07. > :42:12.leaving her hospitalised with a bleed on her brain.

:42:13. > :42:14.Alexis Bowater was cyber-stalked by a man who was jailed for four

:42:15. > :42:16.years for sending her violent and threatening emails.

:42:17. > :42:19.She later became chair of the Network for Surviving

:42:20. > :42:22.And in the studio I'm joined by Rachel Griffin,

:42:23. > :42:25.Director of the Suzy Lamplugh Trust, a charity which deals with issues

:42:26. > :42:32.what do you think of the police singularly Allen that the fact she

:42:33. > :42:41.criticised the Met might put off other victims from coming forward?

:42:42. > :42:48.It just highlights what Lily said. It is victim shaming. Anything that

:42:49. > :42:52.is hidden in secrecy, it just multiplies. We need to be speaking

:42:53. > :42:55.out and we need to trim the police on how they deal with these matters.

:42:56. > :42:59.There is an issue around the training of the staff in the forces

:43:00. > :43:07.and the understanding of stopping behaviour. What do you think of what

:43:08. > :43:10.Lily Allen Stern regarding payment? I am grateful she has spoken out

:43:11. > :43:15.about her experience and I would make the point it is not up to

:43:16. > :43:18.victims to modify their behaviour to compensate for the fact that the

:43:19. > :43:24.police are not doing a good enough job. Might it stop some people

:43:25. > :43:29.coming forward this remark I really hope not. The longer term and the

:43:30. > :43:32.bigger picture is what we need to focus on which is on driving up the

:43:33. > :43:37.police response. We released research that showed that 43% of

:43:38. > :43:42.people who reported stopping to the police found their response is not

:43:43. > :43:47.helpful at all. Let's get that percentage down before the target

:43:48. > :43:52.victims. Tell us a little bit about what happened to you? I was in a

:43:53. > :43:59.relationship I was trying to end and that is when the stocking started.

:44:00. > :44:05.It was constant calls, texts, e-mails. There are so many

:44:06. > :44:08.communication platforms these days. It was consistent, unwanted

:44:09. > :44:13.attention. I had police involvement and I explained to them, I am trying

:44:14. > :44:21.to work, it is affecting my life and it was seen as a joke. By the

:44:22. > :44:27.police, it was seen as a joke? They said you need to get a nice

:44:28. > :44:35.boyfriend in future. Sorry, somebody said that to you? A police officer?

:44:36. > :44:39.Yes. Exactly. That is why I think they need to understand it is not

:44:40. > :44:44.romantic, it is persistent, unwanted attention and it is frightening when

:44:45. > :44:47.you explain it to somebody what is happening to you and they are not

:44:48. > :44:54.taking it seriously. What did you do. The police do not understand, so

:44:55. > :44:56.you have to manage the behaviour yourself, which is what I did. I

:44:57. > :22:42.said I would beat him. This