27/04/2016

:00:00. > :00:29.# Walk on with hope in your hearts and you'll never walk alone. #.

:00:30. > :00:31.This morning, the truth is no longer in any doubt.

:00:32. > :00:34.Liverpool fans were not to blame for the events at

:00:35. > :00:37.96 fans were unlawfully killed in Britain's worst ever

:00:38. > :00:40.We'll talk to some of those who've been fighting for justice

:00:41. > :00:54.Also on the programme, a mum tells us how an epidural

:00:55. > :00:58.before giving birth to her first child, left her paralysed

:00:59. > :01:10.I feel very let down actually because I was saying, you know, so

:01:11. > :01:17.many times that everybody that was around that would come and check,

:01:18. > :01:22.that this wasn't, nobody was sort of escalating my concerns. Obviously if

:01:23. > :01:23.that had been acted upon earlier maybe things would have turned out

:01:24. > :01:26.differently. Watch that exclusive

:01:27. > :01:29.interview after 10.30am. And a top British cycling

:01:30. > :01:31.official has been suspended following allegations he made sexist

:01:32. > :01:34.and derogatory comments to members Throughout the programme we'll bring

:01:35. > :02:00.you reaction to that inquest ruling into the deaths at Hillsborough

:02:01. > :02:03.and we really want to hear from you - particularly

:02:04. > :02:05.if you or family members Do get in touch with us -

:02:06. > :02:08.use the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text,

:02:09. > :02:11.you will be charged Also a little later we'll bring

:02:12. > :02:15.you the latest in our series ahead of the vote to decide

:02:16. > :02:17.whether British should remain Each week we're looking

:02:18. > :02:21.at a new topic and trying to separate the spin, claim

:02:22. > :02:23.and counter claim from the facts. There are calls for senior police

:02:24. > :02:34.officers to be held accountable over the Hillsborough disaster

:02:35. > :02:36.in 1989 in which ninety-six Yesterday, an inquest jury

:02:37. > :02:40.in Warrington ruled The fans' relatives say officers

:02:41. > :02:44.should now face Thousands of people are expected

:02:45. > :02:48.to attend commemorative events These two words have dominated

:02:49. > :02:58.the Hillsborough families' campaign. Now, they are not just words

:02:59. > :03:00.for the bereaved families, # With hope

:03:01. > :03:21.in your heart # And you'll never

:03:22. > :03:27.walk alone # You'll never walk

:03:28. > :03:30.alone.# This was the families

:03:31. > :03:32.response after a jury said their 96 loved ones

:03:33. > :03:33.were unlawfully killed. On 15th April 1989, they were

:03:34. > :03:36.fatally injured in a crowd crush. The jurors decided the man in charge

:03:37. > :03:39.of the police operation was responsible for their manslaughter

:03:40. > :03:41.by gross negligence. We've been called winging

:03:42. > :03:42.Scousers and everything, but now people will understand why

:03:43. > :03:45.we've campaigned for 27 years because we believed

:03:46. > :03:48.in what we were doing was right and we had to do

:03:49. > :03:50.this to get justice. There are still two criminal

:03:51. > :03:51.inquiries. The alleged offences

:03:52. > :03:53.they are investigating include gross negligence manslaughter,

:03:54. > :03:55.conspiracy to pervert the course The heads of both inquiries

:03:56. > :04:03.say their work will be finished After that, prosecutors will decide

:04:04. > :04:10.whether or not to charge suspects. After 27 years, the families

:04:11. > :04:14.of those who died have now got What's certain now is as Liverpool

:04:15. > :04:21.moves into the next part of the story, the names of the ones

:04:22. > :04:24.they lost will never be forgotten here at the home of the club

:04:25. > :04:29.they died supporting. It took a long time coming.

:04:30. > :04:33.Justice has finally prevailed. I think now we can let the 96

:04:34. > :04:38.truly rest in peace. I think the verdict around

:04:39. > :04:41.the Liverpool fans being totally exonerated of any blame is more

:04:42. > :04:43.important than the actual one Last night, as the city of Liverpool

:04:44. > :04:52.reflected on an historic day, its most famous landmarks saluted

:04:53. > :05:15.those families whose lives Much more on Hillsborough throughout

:05:16. > :05:16.the programme. First, Joanna has the rest of the day's news.

:05:17. > :05:18.Good morning. Junior doctors in England will stage

:05:19. > :05:26.another full walk-out this morning. This industrial action is the first

:05:27. > :05:30.time in the history of the NHS that junior doctors have withdrawn

:05:31. > :05:32.the provision of emergency care. NHS leaders say hospitals coped well

:05:33. > :05:34.with yesterday's strike. With us now is our correspondent

:05:35. > :05:38.Catriona Renton who is outside St Thomas' Hospital in Central

:05:39. > :05:48.London. Well, good morning, you will see the

:05:49. > :05:53.picket line is starting to get very busy as junior doctors begin their

:05:54. > :05:58.second day of their all-out strike action. Now yesterday hospitals said

:05:59. > :06:02.that on the whole the services ran smoothly and in some cases, they

:06:03. > :06:09.said that actually it was less busy than normal. Now, NHS England say

:06:10. > :06:14.that 78% of junior doctors in England didn't go to work yesterday.

:06:15. > :06:20.So around 22% did not cross the picket line, but the BMA say that

:06:21. > :06:29.only 20% of junior doctors in England are not members of the BMA

:06:30. > :06:33.anyway. Now we have also heard NHS England say that 113,000

:06:34. > :06:40.appointments have been affected by the strike action over the last

:06:41. > :06:45.couple of days and more than 12700 operations are being postponed.

:06:46. > :06:50.These postponements happened so that clinical people like consultants and

:06:51. > :06:54.senior nurses can cover for the doctors while they are on strike.

:06:55. > :06:58.There is a great concern, of course, that this will mean there will be a

:06:59. > :07:03.surge in demand once the strikes are over because of the backlog, but it

:07:04. > :07:07.does seem that there is no reconciliation between the

:07:08. > :07:09.Government and the junior doctors on the near horizon.

:07:10. > :07:15.Thank you very much, Catriona. British bank Barclays has reported

:07:16. > :07:18.a 25% fall in profits for the first The company pointed to challenging

:07:19. > :07:21.market conditions in banking as profits fell from over ?1 billion

:07:22. > :07:25.to just under ?800 million. Donald Trump has declared himself

:07:26. > :07:27.the Republican party's nominee for US President after winning

:07:28. > :07:30.all five of the primaries For the Democrats, Hillary Clinton

:07:31. > :07:36.won in four states. Our North America correspondent,

:07:37. > :07:42.Nick Bryant reports. With five big wins in five

:07:43. > :07:48.north eastern States, Donald Trump crowned himself

:07:49. > :07:51.the presumptive nominee, a boxer, as he put it,

:07:52. > :07:53.who'd just knocked out his opponent and didn't need to await

:07:54. > :07:59.the decision from the referee. The billionaire seemed to be looking

:08:00. > :08:01.towards the presidential election, attacking the likely Democratic

:08:02. > :08:03.nominee, who he's taken Frankly, if Hillary Clinton

:08:04. > :08:08.were a man, I don't think she'd get The only thing she's got

:08:09. > :08:13.going is the woman's card and the beautiful thing is,

:08:14. > :08:25.women don't like her, and look how well I did

:08:26. > :08:28.wwith women tonight. with womebeat Bernie Sanders in four

:08:29. > :08:30.out of five contests, opening up an insurmountable lead,

:08:31. > :08:33.and she called for Democrats to come Whether you support Sanders

:08:34. > :08:41.all you support me, Whether you support

:08:42. > :08:52.Sanders or you support me, The Democratic race

:08:53. > :08:58.is all Donald Trump's boasts, that can't yet be said

:08:59. > :09:00.the Republican contest. Supermarkets have been criticised

:09:01. > :09:02.for unclear pricing when it The Competition and Markets

:09:03. > :09:05.Authority says that multi-buys and money-off deals

:09:06. > :09:09.weren't always genuine. It specifically urged Asda to change

:09:10. > :09:14.the way it advertises promotions. The announcement follows a complaint

:09:15. > :09:20.by the consumer group Which?. British Cycling has suspended

:09:21. > :09:22.its technical director, Shane Sutton, while an investigation

:09:23. > :09:24.takes place into allegations Mr Sutton joined the sport's

:09:25. > :09:28.governing body as a coach in 2002. He has been accused of sexism by one

:09:29. > :09:31.rider and is reported to have made derogatory

:09:32. > :09:32.comments about para-cyclists. Urgent action is needed to stop up

:09:33. > :09:44.to 50,000 people a year dying early from air pollution-related

:09:45. > :09:46.illnesses, according The Environment, Food

:09:47. > :09:48.and Rural Affairs Committee says clean air zones are needed in dozens

:09:49. > :09:52.of English towns and cities to cut Five cities are to get the zones

:09:53. > :09:55.which they can charge The Government says all

:09:56. > :10:10.councils have the powers We need to do more and I think we

:10:11. > :10:13.probably need to make sure that those dirtiest of vehicles don't get

:10:14. > :10:18.in. Delivery vans need to be changed. Lorries and others. We are

:10:19. > :10:23.cleaning up our cities, but because we have so many vehicles, because we

:10:24. > :10:25.need so many goods brought into the centre of cities this is where we

:10:26. > :10:27.have a problem. The technology giant, Apple,

:10:28. > :10:29.has reported its first fall Quarterly income is down 13%,

:10:30. > :10:33.compared to the same There has been a sharp dip in sales

:10:34. > :10:39.of Apple's signature product, the iPhone, for the first time

:10:40. > :10:42.since it was launched in 2007. That's a summary of

:10:43. > :10:56.the latest BBC News. Back to Victoria.

:10:57. > :11:01.It is time for the sport and here is Hugh. It is going to be a busy

:11:02. > :11:05.morning of sport. We have got a special guest with us. It is the

:11:06. > :11:11.Commonwealth Gold Medallist, Vicky Holland, she is here as we countdown

:11:12. > :11:15.to Rio, just 100 days to go. This time, you will be a real contender.

:11:16. > :11:20.26th in London. How are your preparations going? Yes, the

:11:21. > :11:23.preparations are going well. I have already qualified. So I will be on

:11:24. > :11:27.the plane to Brazil and the preparations are geared around that

:11:28. > :11:30.one day now. This whole season is about that one day in August. We

:11:31. > :11:35.will talk about the Commonwealth Games because you won a gold medal

:11:36. > :11:41.alongside the Brownlee brothers, how much have you and the likes of the

:11:42. > :11:45.Brownlees increased the profile of the sport, has it surprised you? A

:11:46. > :11:51.lot of it is down to those boys. Credit has to be given to them, the

:11:52. > :11:57.way they won two medals in London captured the nation. The all the

:11:58. > :12:01.fans of Team GB are getting behind Great Britain and it is great to

:12:02. > :12:10.know that the boys started that. You were telling me earlier you have got

:12:11. > :12:14.back from Cape Town. What's it like basically competing against a friend

:12:15. > :12:18.regularly? It is a strange set-up, but it does really work for us. We

:12:19. > :12:21.are housemates, team-mates, training partners, great friends on top of

:12:22. > :12:25.that and we're good at leaving the training and the racing at the door.

:12:26. > :12:28.We come home and it is just about, let's make dinner and let's sit down

:12:29. > :12:34.and watch TV together, it is not about going over and over the day's

:12:35. > :12:37.events. Jodie Simpson is a Commonwealth champion, but won't be

:12:38. > :12:41.at Rio later in the summer. What do you make of the qualification for

:12:42. > :12:43.triathlon, do you think she should have been there? I think

:12:44. > :12:46.qualification is incredibly difficult, but we are in a fortunate

:12:47. > :12:50.position in Great Britain that we have four girls who could all on

:12:51. > :12:55.their day come home with medals from the Olympic Games. The criteria was

:12:56. > :13:00.set so in 2015 you had to podium twice at two major events and then

:13:01. > :13:05.the other criteria was to perform at the Gold coast event in April this

:13:06. > :13:09.year, that was the event that Helen Jenkins won which qualified her that

:13:10. > :13:14.third spot. Jodie could win a medal on her day, but unfortunately at the

:13:15. > :13:18.races she needed to perform to qualify, she wasn't at her best. I

:13:19. > :13:22.wanted to ask you before we go, a question about Shane Sutton, you may

:13:23. > :13:25.have seen the story today. He is suspended after allegations of

:13:26. > :13:29.discrimination, but what's it like for athletes in triathlon, is there

:13:30. > :13:32.a route for you to report discrimination to UK Sport? Well,

:13:33. > :13:37.for triathlon, it is very different. I can't comment so much on cycling,

:13:38. > :13:39.it is not a sport I'm involved with, but with triathlon, I have been

:13:40. > :13:43.really blessed to be in a sport that has been a pioneer for equal rights.

:13:44. > :13:47.We don't have different races for the men and the women. We don't have

:13:48. > :13:51.different distances. All the pay is equal and the prize money is equal

:13:52. > :13:54.and that's something, you know, is a testament to our sport and I hope

:13:55. > :13:59.other sports will bring that on too. Brilliant. Vicky, thank you very

:14:00. > :14:06.best of luck in Riio. Just 100 days best of luck in Riio. Just 100 days

:14:07. > :14:10.to go, I will be back with the headlines at 9.30am, but we will be

:14:11. > :14:13.looking at the new Team GB kit. There is lots to look forward to

:14:14. > :14:17.this morning. A couple of messages from Ian and it

:14:18. > :14:22.is about the events of yesterday. There have been few more moving

:14:23. > :14:26.sights than the families of the 96 singing after the inquest yesterday.

:14:27. > :14:31.The Crown Prosecution Service must now act, not in revenge, but out of

:14:32. > :14:38.public interest and solidarity after 27 years." This e-mail from Martin,

:14:39. > :14:45."It is disgusting that The Sun newspaper which printed front page

:14:46. > :14:49.after page blaming the fans for the disaster cannot find room on its

:14:50. > :14:53.front page for the story." The truth is in no longer in doubt, the world

:14:54. > :15:00.knows what the relatives of the 96 who died in Britain's worst ever

:15:01. > :15:04.sporting disaster that everyone who died on 15th April had been

:15:05. > :15:07.unlawfully killed and Liverpool supporters were blameless. The

:15:08. > :15:11.inquests into the deaths of those who perished during the FA Cup

:15:12. > :15:15.semifinal between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest found that the

:15:16. > :15:19.police, the Ambulance Service, Sheffield Wednesday football club

:15:20. > :15:25.all made mistakes which contributed to the disaster.

:15:26. > :15:33.So, an eight day a sunny day at Hillsborough, the stage is set for a

:15:34. > :15:37.rerun of last year's classic. The teams have just left the field,

:15:38. > :15:43.taken away by the referee. The trouble away to our left where there

:15:44. > :15:47.is enclosure unliveable supporters. They came over the top of the fence

:15:48. > :15:53.away to the left at the moment. There must be some 200 people on the

:15:54. > :15:57.pitch. An ambulance has just come into the stadium and is making its

:15:58. > :16:01.way through a vast crowd of people. There would seem to be dozens of

:16:02. > :16:05.people lying on the ground and being attended to by police and St John's

:16:06. > :16:11.ambulance. I saw two oxygen cylinders being carried. Some of the

:16:12. > :16:16.people at the back from sheer fear are trying to climb up into the

:16:17. > :16:21.upper tier once more. I have now seen 15 stretchers carrying bodies

:16:22. > :16:25.away, alive I must stress, and they are ripping up advertising boards

:16:26. > :16:31.because they are running out of stretchers. I can see a nurse has

:16:32. > :16:38.been giving the kiss of life to one young fan who looks in deep stress.

:16:39. > :16:45.I have doctored John Phillips with me. One chap I went to was

:16:46. > :16:48.technically dead, he had no heartbeat, we managed to get his

:16:49. > :16:56.heart beating, but I don't know what the state of his cerebral function

:16:57. > :17:01.will be light. The sun is shining now and Hillsborough is quiet. The

:17:02. > :17:10.gymnasium here at Hillsborough is being used as a mortuary for the

:17:11. > :17:13.dead. And stewards, just as they did at the stadium, have cartons and

:17:14. > :17:17.paperbacks, and they are gathering up the personal belongings of the

:17:18. > :17:21.spectators, some of whom have died, some of whom are now in nearby

:17:22. > :17:25.hospitals, and the red and white scarves of Liverpool and red and

:17:26. > :17:30.white bobble hats of Liverpool, and red and white rosettes of Liverpool,

:17:31. > :17:31.and nothing else out in the enclosure where all the deaths

:17:32. > :17:36.occurred, and the sun shines now. After the inquest, some

:17:37. > :17:38.of the Hillsborough families sang with relief

:17:39. > :17:51.and jubilation outside court. # Walk on, walk on with hope in your

:17:52. > :18:02.heart # And You'll Never Walk Alone

:18:03. > :18:08.# You'll Never Walk Alone # Walk on, walk on with hope in your

:18:09. > :18:18.heart # And You'll Never Walk Alone

:18:19. > :18:22.# You'll Never Walk Alone. CHEERING

:18:23. > :18:25.On the programme yesterday, we heard from Becky Shah

:18:26. > :18:28.who lost her mum at Hillsborough, and to Gillian Edwards who was

:18:29. > :18:39.at the inquest and have now become good friends.

:18:40. > :18:49.It changes you, unrecognisably, I think, in many ways. And there is no

:18:50. > :18:55.going back from something like that to how you were. How can there be?

:18:56. > :19:05.To think what you were going through at home, and to think of your

:19:06. > :19:09.brother, 13-year-old kid. My mum's friend woke me up and said, there is

:19:10. > :19:20.a police car outside, and you just know, don't you? And so I went down

:19:21. > :19:26.and invited him in. He asked me if I was my mum's daughter, and I said

:19:27. > :19:36.yes. And he said to me that my mum had been fatally injured at the

:19:37. > :19:44.disaster. I was only 17, and I said to him, the word fatally never

:19:45. > :19:52.really registered, and I said, is she still alive? And he said, no.

:19:53. > :19:58.And my world was just in total pieces after that. We can talk to

:19:59. > :20:01.Becky again today. She is in Liverpool, there is a slight delay

:20:02. > :20:09.on the line. Thank you for talking to us. Tell us how you are feeling

:20:10. > :20:16.today. Well, obviously I am feeling very, very pleased with what

:20:17. > :20:23.happened in court yesterday. The verdict is really couldn't have gone

:20:24. > :20:27.any better, so we are absolutely delighted that everything we have

:20:28. > :20:33.been saying for 27 years has finally been proven to be correct. The fans

:20:34. > :20:40.have proven to be vindicated, totally exhilarated from any blame

:20:41. > :20:45.whatsoever. The blame is now lying squarely where it belongs, with

:20:46. > :20:52.South Yorkshire Police, Sheffield Wednesday football club, South

:20:53. > :20:58.Yorkshire Ambulance Service, and we are absolutely delighted with that.

:20:59. > :21:06.The only thing that we would say is, it should never, ever have taken us

:21:07. > :21:11.27 years, almost three decades. Hillsborough has been a part of my

:21:12. > :21:18.life for over half of my life. And I don't think when you have truth and

:21:19. > :21:22.justice on your side in a so-called democratic and advanced

:21:23. > :21:28.industrialised country, that that should either case. I think it is an

:21:29. > :21:33.absolute disgrace that it has taken us this long, and there are people

:21:34. > :21:38.who are no longer here, there are families and survivors for whom the

:21:39. > :21:42.toll has been too much, they have become physically ill or mentally

:21:43. > :21:45.ill and taken their own lives because of what they have been

:21:46. > :21:49.through with Hillsborough, because of all the injustice and all the

:21:50. > :21:58.sneering that we have had to endure for almost three decades. Wide EU

:21:59. > :22:03.think it has taken so long? I think Hillsborough is not an isolated

:22:04. > :22:09.case. If you look at Bloody Sunday, look at Orgreave and the miners

:22:10. > :22:12.strikes, lots of deaths in custody where people have lost loved ones

:22:13. > :22:19.and no one is ever held accountable, no police officer, no one in

:22:20. > :22:24.authority has ever been held accountable, and I think it is

:22:25. > :22:26.institutional. I think we have a culture where, after Stephen

:22:27. > :22:30.Lawrence and obviously before Stephen Lawrence we had and still do

:22:31. > :22:37.have institutional racism in the police. There is a culture of

:22:38. > :22:41.institutional denial where they just don't seem to be able to take any

:22:42. > :22:47.accountability whatsoever. We are all subject to the law, but they

:22:48. > :22:51.seem to be above the law, and that needs to change. And that I think

:22:52. > :22:57.has to be the legacy of Hillsborough going forward. This must never, ever

:22:58. > :23:01.be allowed to happen again, and we need more accountability and more

:23:02. > :23:08.transparency with the police and people in authority in this country.

:23:09. > :23:11.We now know that the match commander on Monday, former Chief

:23:12. > :23:16.Superintendent David Dukinfield, as people lay dying on the pitch, he

:23:17. > :23:19.was already telling the head of the Football Association that Liverpool

:23:20. > :23:27.supporters had broken through that gate. Is that part of the reason why

:23:28. > :23:31.this false narrative has been maintained for so long, because

:23:32. > :23:37.those lies were got out there so quickly? Absolutely. I remember I

:23:38. > :23:46.was watching the match live from start to finish, and I remember

:23:47. > :23:49.hearing those lies about the gate being broken down, and I just

:23:50. > :23:53.couldn't believe it, I couldn't believe what I have heard,

:23:54. > :23:58.basically, that the gates had been broken down. It's just didn't tally

:23:59. > :24:04.with what I had seen on the TV. I had seen supporters absolutely

:24:05. > :24:07.distressed, traumatised, injured, dying, people just helping each

:24:08. > :24:13.other, fans running to tear off advertising hoardings, and then all

:24:14. > :24:18.of a sudden, I was confronted with this, and I couldn't reconcile what

:24:19. > :24:22.I had heard with what I had seen. And I totally agree, getting those

:24:23. > :24:28.lives out so quick only, and then just keeping building on them,

:24:29. > :24:32.because what came out in the inquest was the police, what they were doing

:24:33. > :24:35.at four o'clock in the afternoon around Hillsborough, was going

:24:36. > :24:39.around and getting as many beer cans as they could find from all over the

:24:40. > :24:42.place and putting them around Hillsborough to make it look as if

:24:43. > :24:48.the fans had come completely tanked up. So there was a completely false

:24:49. > :24:55.narrative right from the very, very start, and it became very difficult

:24:56. > :25:00.to fight those lies. Because we were just so bereaved and traumatised at

:25:01. > :25:06.what had happened, and then those lies, it was like the second

:25:07. > :25:12.bombshell, it was unbelievable. I can feel you trying to control your

:25:13. > :25:19.emotions now, and I totally understand that. Explain to us what

:25:20. > :25:28.it was that has kept you going for almost three decades. What has kept

:25:29. > :25:31.me going has been the love for my mamma and the love for my friend

:25:32. > :25:35.that I lost, and the love for my little brother, my 13-year-old

:25:36. > :25:41.brother who went to Hillsborough to watch a football match with his mum,

:25:42. > :25:49.she never came home and he came back a different person. And knowing how

:25:50. > :25:56.my mum, my friend and all my friends and all my family of Liverpool fans

:25:57. > :26:02.were smeared, and I knew right from the very start, from the very bottom

:26:03. > :26:06.of my heart, that this was a complete and total injustice. And I

:26:07. > :26:11.knew this from before I was old enough to vote, and NUI had to do

:26:12. > :26:15.something about it, and I had to do it not just for us but to make sure

:26:16. > :26:20.it doesn't ever happen again. Becky, we are showing our audience a

:26:21. > :26:29.picture... Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. What has also kept me

:26:30. > :26:32.going has been the Hillsborough Justice campaign and people like

:26:33. > :26:37.Sheila Coleman who has been absolutely fantastic, the love and

:26:38. > :26:41.support we have got from the people in this city, Liverpool, has been

:26:42. > :26:45.fantastic. This wouldn't have happened in another city, I am not a

:26:46. > :26:51.Scouser, but I am so proud of what the city of Liverpool has achieved,

:26:52. > :26:54.and my mum is here, her ashes are here, and I could be any prouder, I

:26:55. > :26:58.love this city, and that is what has kept me going. We have just shown in

:26:59. > :27:04.our audience a photograph of your ma'am, smiling and wearing great big

:27:05. > :27:15.sunglasses, and she looks a happy woman. -- your mum. She was very

:27:16. > :27:23.weak and fun loving, she had a great sense of humour, she loved a laugh.

:27:24. > :27:26.-- very upbeat and fun loving. She also had a serious side, she liked

:27:27. > :27:32.to read books and discuss politics and world affairs. I learned an

:27:33. > :27:38.awful lot from my mum about the world and just general knowledge

:27:39. > :27:44.about life, and she was more than a mother to me, she was a very special

:27:45. > :27:51.friend who will never, ever be replaced. You have been magnificent,

:27:52. > :27:56.as have the other relatives. We appreciate your time, thank you.

:27:57. > :28:06.Thank you very much, and thank you for having me on. Becky talking

:28:07. > :28:09.about her mum. From Mike, there will be no justice in the Hillsborough

:28:10. > :28:13.case until those responsible are held to account. And from Sarah,

:28:14. > :28:18.let's highlight the Dignity family and friends have had over the last

:28:19. > :28:22.27 years. You deserve this now. And from Paul, how about a focus on the

:28:23. > :28:32.southern times newspapers that glossed over the Hillsborough story

:28:33. > :28:43.today. -- the Son and Times newspapers. The sun does repeat its

:28:44. > :28:49.apology inside, and they remind readers they made an apology a few

:28:50. > :28:53.years ago. And this from Don, an excellent day for football, time to

:28:54. > :28:58.prosecute the people who got it so seriously wrong, justice for the 96.

:28:59. > :29:01.If you want to get in touch, you are very welcome.

:29:02. > :29:08.Still to come: Each week we are trying to separate the claim

:29:09. > :29:14.counterclaim from actual fact when it comes to how to vote on the

:29:15. > :29:21.referendum. Today we are looking at immigration. And the top British

:29:22. > :29:24.cycling official has been suspended following allegations he made sexist

:29:25. > :29:29.and derogatory comments to members of the GB cycling team. He denies

:29:30. > :29:32.the claims. We will bring you the details on top to a member of the

:29:33. > :29:41.British Paralympic team who he allegedly called a imp.

:29:42. > :29:48.Here is Joanna with a summary of the day's news. There are growing calls

:29:49. > :29:49.for senior police officers to be held accountable for the

:29:50. > :29:50.Hillsborough disaster. Yesterday an inquest jury ruled that

:29:51. > :29:53.all 96 Liverpool fans Thousands of people are expected

:29:54. > :29:56.to attend commemorative events Two criminal investigations

:29:57. > :30:00.into the disaster and its aftermath are ongoing and could finish

:30:01. > :30:12.by the end of 2016. Becky's mother died at Hillsborough,

:30:13. > :30:16.and she said she was relieved the victims were no longer being blamed.

:30:17. > :30:21.We are absolutely delighted that everything we have been saying for

:30:22. > :30:28.27 years has finally been proven to be correct. The fans have proven to

:30:29. > :30:34.be vindicated, totally exoneration from any blame whatsoever. The blame

:30:35. > :30:36.is now lying squarely where it belongs.

:30:37. > :30:38.Junior doctors in England will stage another full walk-out this morning.

:30:39. > :30:42.It's the second time in the history of the NHS that they have withdrawn

:30:43. > :30:44.the provision of emergency care as part of their industrial action.

:30:45. > :30:50.NHS leaders say hospitals coped well with yesterday's strike.

:30:51. > :30:56.The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, said the Government will not be

:30:57. > :31:00.blackmailed. Today's action runs from 8am to 5pm.

:31:01. > :31:03.British bank Barclays has reported a 25% fall in profits for the first

:31:04. > :31:06.The company pointed to challenging market conditions in banking

:31:07. > :31:12.as profits fell from over ?1 billion to just under ?800 million.

:31:13. > :31:13.Donald Trump has won Republican presidential

:31:14. > :31:16.primaries in five US states, while for the Democrats Hillary

:31:17. > :31:21.Mr Trump called himself the Republican nominee

:31:22. > :31:24.Mrs Clinton also made gains in the Democrat race,

:31:25. > :31:27.but was denied a clean sweep by rival Bernie Sanders who won

:31:28. > :31:39.British Cycling has suspended its technical

:31:40. > :31:41.director, Shane Sutton, while an investigation takes place

:31:42. > :31:47.Mr Sutton joined the sport's governing body as a coach in 2002.

:31:48. > :31:51.He has been accused of sexism by one rider and is reported to have

:31:52. > :31:52.made derogatory comments about para-cyclists.

:31:53. > :31:56.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:31:57. > :32:08.See you then. This text from Brendan, "At last justice for the

:32:09. > :32:11.96, Liverpool, its fans and may The Sun newspaper hang its head in

:32:12. > :32:14.shame." It is time for the sport now and here is Hugh.

:32:15. > :32:27.Manchester City boss Manuel Pellegrini says his side

:32:28. > :32:29.will have "nothing to fear" when they travel to the Bernabeu

:32:30. > :32:32.next Wednesday for the second leg of their Champions League

:32:33. > :32:37.City shared a goalless draw with ten time winners Real Madrid

:32:38. > :32:39.at home last night - thanks largely to a great

:32:40. > :32:40.goalkeeping display from England's Joe Hart.

:32:41. > :32:43.China's Ding Junhui thrashed two-time winner Mark Williams 13-3

:32:44. > :32:45.to become the first man into the semi-finals of this year's

:32:46. > :32:48.World number one Mark Selby leads qualifier

:32:49. > :32:51.Ellie Simmonds and Bethany Firth broke their own world records

:32:52. > :32:53.as they secured more Rio qualification standards

:32:54. > :32:59.Coming up after 10am, we'll speak to the former

:33:00. > :33:03.World Heavyweight Champion of the World Wladimir Klitschko.

:33:04. > :33:12.This is from the Office of National Statistics. It is about the UK

:33:13. > :33:16.economy and in the first three months of 2016, so the first three

:33:17. > :33:23.months of this year, the UK economy grew by a little bit, 0.4%. But that

:33:24. > :33:27.is down from 0.6% in the last few months of 2015. That just in from

:33:28. > :33:36.the Office for National Statistics. At the start of this year, the first

:33:37. > :33:42.three months of this year, the UK economy grew by 0. .4%, that's down

:33:43. > :33:45.from 0.6%. That's from the Office for National Statistics.

:33:46. > :33:48.It's now less than two months until you get to decide

:33:49. > :33:54.whether Britain should remain in the European Union or leave.

:33:55. > :33:56.Chances are you're a little bit frustrated

:33:57. > :33:59.at the huge amount of spin, claim and counter-claim and lack

:34:00. > :34:02.of facts that make it really hard to try and make a decision.

:34:03. > :34:05.Each week on this programme we're trying to break down the key issues

:34:06. > :34:08.and bring you facts in plain English so that you can make

:34:09. > :34:11.We've already looked at the economy and jobs,

:34:12. > :34:16.Our political guru Norman Smith has all the facts and figures.

:34:17. > :34:23.Thank you very much indeed. Well, I guess immigration is one of the most

:34:24. > :34:26.emotive and highly charged issues in this referendum campaign. Why? Well,

:34:27. > :34:32.because the numbers just seem going up and up. We had the Chancellor,

:34:33. > :34:35.just the other day inadvertently conceding that the number of

:34:36. > :34:39.migrants come to go Britain would go up by three million by 2030. Think

:34:40. > :34:45.of that, three million is equivalent to three cities the size of

:34:46. > :34:49.Birmingham. Three Broms, that's an awful lot. Let's get the facts and

:34:50. > :34:53.figures. So here is my, what I'm calling my traffic light of truth. I

:34:54. > :34:59.put it on green for go because it does seem all systems go on

:35:00. > :35:06.immigration at the moment with 323,000 more people coming to

:35:07. > :35:10.Britain last year than left. And of those, 172,000 were from other

:35:11. > :35:15.countries in the European Union. Why were they coming here? Well, 58% of

:35:16. > :35:20.them were coming because they already had a job to come to. The

:35:21. > :35:26.rest, the remaining 42%, well they came here, looking for work. What do

:35:27. > :35:29.the Brexiters, those who want to leave say about this? I have turned

:35:30. > :35:34.my traffic light of truth to red because they want to clamp down on

:35:35. > :35:37.those numbers. Why? Because they say the pressure it puts on jobs and

:35:38. > :35:41.services, getting your kid a place in school becomes harder. Getting on

:35:42. > :35:45.the housing ladder, that too becomes much more difficult. They also say

:35:46. > :35:51.we have got to get control of our borders. At the moment we can't

:35:52. > :35:55.decide who comes in. It is a matter of sovereignty and lastly they say,

:35:56. > :35:59.it is about security. If we don't know who is coming in then

:36:00. > :36:02.potentially you could criminal gangs and terrorists able to come in and

:36:03. > :36:07.they argue the only way to tackle this is to leave the European Union

:36:08. > :36:12.so we're not bound by their rules on free movement which means any

:36:13. > :36:16.European or member of the EU can travel anywhere else in the European

:36:17. > :36:21.Union. This is what their main man Boris Johnson said about it.

:36:22. > :36:26.It was never engraved in stone before 1991 or so that somebody

:36:27. > :36:30.coming to this country from another EU country could arrive without a

:36:31. > :36:33.job, you know, there was always a sense that workers could move

:36:34. > :36:37.around, but you had to have a job. When I went to work in the Continent

:36:38. > :36:40.in the late 80s you had to go to the commune and present your papers and

:36:41. > :36:43.show what you were doing and so on. The idea that people just arrive,

:36:44. > :36:48.that is a relatively new development. We were asking for some

:36:49. > :36:51.modest restrictions to that and it is perfectly clear from what the

:36:52. > :37:01.Home Secretary says, that we have got no prol whatsoever. It is time

:37:02. > :37:12.it take back control. Let's look at the remain. I turned

:37:13. > :37:17.our traffic light to amber. What would happen to the NHS if we didn't

:37:18. > :37:24.have the nurses? Migrants from the EU, they say, also boost business.

:37:25. > :37:26.They come here, they pay taxes, they create businesses which employ

:37:27. > :37:30.people. They are good for the economy. Lastly, what about Brits

:37:31. > :37:35.abroad? Around one million Brits live in other EU countries. What on

:37:36. > :37:39.earth would happen to them if we said no to EU migrants coming here?

:37:40. > :37:45.Theresa May, the Home Secretary, who is campaigning to stay in the EU

:37:46. > :37:48.said this week on the Andrew Marr programme there is no silver bullet

:37:49. > :37:53.when it comes to tackling immigration. I understand why people

:37:54. > :37:57.are concerned about immigration. They're concerned about immigration

:37:58. > :38:00.because it has an effect on public services, on jobs and that's why it

:38:01. > :38:05.is important for us to control immigration, but as I say, control

:38:06. > :38:09.immigration is hard. We have to keep working at it. That's exactly what

:38:10. > :38:13.we're doing. If you look at membership of the European Union, if

:38:14. > :38:18.we were to be outside the European Union, and have some of the

:38:19. > :38:22.arrangements these Visa and our own controls? If you just let me finish

:38:23. > :38:24.this point. If we were to be outside the European Union and still want

:38:25. > :38:28.the sort of access to the single market that people talk about then

:38:29. > :38:31.actually if you look where that's being done for other countries, they

:38:32. > :38:38.have to accept the free movement rules without any say over those

:38:39. > :38:43.rules. Well, so much for the politicos. We had a poll the other

:38:44. > :38:47.day which showed that 46% of people thought the most important issue

:38:48. > :38:50.facing us was immigration and the economy which I guess many people

:38:51. > :38:55.might think would be the most important issue. Only 25% of thought

:38:56. > :39:02.that was really the key issue, but here is a funny thing - at the same

:39:03. > :39:07.time, the same questions asked by another polling company and well,

:39:08. > :39:14.they seem to come up with exactly the opposite sort of answers. They

:39:15. > :39:19.found out that 47% of people thought it was the economy that was the most

:39:20. > :39:23.important issue. 24% thought immigration was the big one. What

:39:24. > :39:28.does it tell us? Well, I guess it tells us to approach opinion polls

:39:29. > :39:32.with a long stick, but I think it tells us something else Vic and that

:39:33. > :39:37.is that people's attitude and opinion on immigration shifts and

:39:38. > :39:42.sways. It moves around, maybe in part in response to the news how

:39:43. > :39:46.high immigration is up the news agenda and significantly, just a few

:39:47. > :39:51.weeks before we go to that critical vote on the referendum we will get

:39:52. > :39:56.the latest figures on migration and they show a big leap upwards, that

:39:57. > :40:02.could be bad news for Mr Cameron and those battling to keep Britain

:40:03. > :40:05.inside the European Union. STUDIO: Cheers, Norman.

:40:06. > :40:08.Let's talk to two business people with different views.

:40:09. > :40:10.Margaret Wood, an award winning scientist and business founder,

:40:11. > :40:12.and member of the Institute of Engineering and Technology,

:40:13. > :40:15.who thinks Britain would be better off remaining in the EU.

:40:16. > :40:16.And Pasha Khandaker, the President of the UK

:40:17. > :40:19.Bangladesh Caterers Association, who has worked in the UK curry

:40:20. > :40:26.He thinks Britain should leave the EU.

:40:27. > :40:36.You are An immigrant yourself. How concerned are you about the levels

:40:37. > :40:42.of immigration in Britain? I'm very much concerned. Our immigration in

:40:43. > :40:45.general is fine, but I'm very much concerned about the European Union

:40:46. > :40:49.immigrations. So you want to leave the European Union because you think

:40:50. > :40:55.Britain would be able to have reduced levels of migration from the

:40:56. > :40:58.EU? Definitely. Like we just listened, that's nearly about three

:40:59. > :41:03.million people coming from the European Union. By 2030 according to

:41:04. > :41:08.the Treasury. If it is 300,000 people for the last year, I can see

:41:09. > :41:13.because I live in Kent, and the most of the people coming that way, I can

:41:14. > :41:18.see how it is affecting my business and affecting the stand of my daily

:41:19. > :41:23.life and I believe if we are coming out from the European Union, not

:41:24. > :41:26.only the economic side, the immigration side, we can control it

:41:27. > :41:29.nicely and we could have a better life without European Union

:41:30. > :41:32.immigration. Margaret, what impact do you think there would be on

:41:33. > :41:41.levels of migration if Britain voted to leave the European Union? You're

:41:42. > :41:44.right Victoria, immigration is such a contentious issue I think it

:41:45. > :41:50.wouldn't make any difference. People will still come to this country.

:41:51. > :41:55.Pasha came to this country and made a huge success out TV it. We've just

:41:56. > :42:02.had the president of the United States who has come to this country,

:42:03. > :42:08.whether you agree with him or not, the United States of America was

:42:09. > :42:15.largely built up on immigration. A lot of people coming from Europe as

:42:16. > :42:19.it was and going into the United States, being successful and

:42:20. > :42:25.building an economy that is number one in the world at this moment in

:42:26. > :42:31.time. Do you not think the levels of net migration to this country are

:42:32. > :42:35.too high at the moment? No. I think what we're finding people coming in,

:42:36. > :42:41.I work a lot with the institution of engineering and technology. We have

:42:42. > :42:46.a shortage of engineers, of people wanting to work in the engineering

:42:47. > :42:50.and manufacturing industry. And we have some really skilled people

:42:51. > :42:54.wanting to come and contribute into the economy of this country. I mean,

:42:55. > :43:00.we've got the wonderful Crossrail here. Engineering provides such an

:43:01. > :43:06.important part of the UK economy and sometimes it is overlooked. We focus

:43:07. > :43:10.our attentions around the service industry, the banking industries,

:43:11. > :43:13.but we need our engineers. We need to create the infrastructure. Why

:43:14. > :43:20.can't you get skilled engineers from somewhere else in the world? We can,

:43:21. > :43:25.but we are in a club. We're -- 43 years ago, we voted to go into the

:43:26. > :43:29.European Union. I, Victoria, was sceptical, I have seen the

:43:30. > :43:34.difference. I live, my business is up in Yorkshire. I have seen that

:43:35. > :43:41.the EU has made a difference to Yorkshire. In terms of regeneration.

:43:42. > :43:46.We lost a lot of the traditional industries and with that, there was

:43:47. > :43:50.a lot of unemployment, what we're seeing is the north starting to

:43:51. > :43:53.regaen rate itself and indeed, our Prime Minister talks about the

:43:54. > :43:57.Northern powerhouse. Now then, we need that investment back in. Give

:43:58. > :44:01.us the tools and let us do the job. OK, am I right in thinking that you,

:44:02. > :44:04.I mean you say you're concerned about levels of immigration in this

:44:05. > :44:08.country, but you would like more immigrants from other parts of the

:44:09. > :44:14.world, ie India and Bangladesh because there is a shortage of chefs

:44:15. > :44:18.in Britain's curry houses? What I'm saying, I'm greg with Margaret. My

:44:19. > :44:23.father fought in the Second World War and I am proud to be an

:44:24. > :44:30.immigrant and I am proud to live in this country. Britain has got 12,000

:44:31. > :44:34.curry houses. We contribute ?2.4 billion to the British economy. Why

:44:35. > :44:38.can't you get the chefs from ind la and back derb? Because of the

:44:39. > :44:43.European immigrants. It led to the numbers we have got from the EU? Too

:44:44. > :44:47.much migration pressure. But the last lot of net migration figures

:44:48. > :44:53.showed me had more immigrants from outside of the EU than from inside

:44:54. > :44:56.the EU? At the moment what is going on which is not right, the figures

:44:57. > :45:03.are not right. If you look at the immigration policy. If you look at

:45:04. > :45:08.the unfair policy, think about to get hold of a chef from abroad, you

:45:09. > :45:13.have got to pay him ?40,000 and he has got to speak English. If I got

:45:14. > :45:17.married in Bangladesh and my wife wants to come to this country, she

:45:18. > :45:23.has to speak English. I am a British citizen. In my son does the same

:45:24. > :45:26.thing t happened to him. We are employing so many European Union

:45:27. > :45:30.people in our curry industries. We are finding problems. They don't

:45:31. > :45:35.adjust to the culture. They are don't love to work in this industry,

:45:36. > :45:42.the language problems, many, many problems they are facing. My

:45:43. > :45:46.question is - like here in Kent, at the GP service we are using at the

:45:47. > :45:48.moment, if you want to book a GP, it is about three to four weeks

:45:49. > :45:58.backlogs. Do you accept that, Margaret? There

:45:59. > :46:02.are two reasons people say we need to reduce levels of immigrants in

:46:03. > :46:06.this country, pressure on infrastructure, school places, GP

:46:07. > :46:10.services, hospitals. And also the fact that the number of EU migrants

:46:11. > :46:15.are depressing wages for British people? We have a minimum wage, and

:46:16. > :46:21.you cannot builder and economy on cheap labour any more. It has got to

:46:22. > :46:25.be high-tech. That is where engineering and technology come in.

:46:26. > :46:35.We need to bring in the people that are going to make the economy,

:46:36. > :46:42.evolve it, going forward. But no, I don't agree. Do you accept, which is

:46:43. > :46:44.what the Leave campaign is saying, that the only way to control

:46:45. > :46:51.immigration into Britain is by leaving the European Union? No, we

:46:52. > :47:01.too often blame the youth. It is about our own Government controlling

:47:02. > :47:07.our borders. -- we too often blame the EU. We can't always control the

:47:08. > :47:11.borders because of the EU freedom of movement. You are right, it is the

:47:12. > :47:18.free movement of labour, but by the same token, British people can go to

:47:19. > :47:23.the EU and work there. I know a lot of people, a lot of friends, who

:47:24. > :47:31.work in the U, from Brussels, we go down to Portugal a lot. It is a very

:47:32. > :47:39.small island. Can we accommodate all those people if they all come back?

:47:40. > :47:43.I don't want to see thousands of European people coming and working

:47:44. > :47:46.with me, but I don't want to lose my right, I don't want a housing queue

:47:47. > :47:54.for five years, I don't want to see my business suffering for a skilled

:47:55. > :47:58.chef because of unskilled labour. Were people saying that about you

:47:59. > :48:03.and your family when you came to Britain in 1970? No, because we had

:48:04. > :48:06.enough space, and the British needed us to be here and we contributed

:48:07. > :48:12.properly. My father was a Second World War fighter, he came to fight

:48:13. > :48:15.for this country's liberation. I came here to join him to build the

:48:16. > :48:28.economy. Thank you very much for coming on the programme, both of

:48:29. > :48:35.you. Still to come: We will continue to bring you more reaction from

:48:36. > :48:40.Liverpool. After ten, you will hear an interview with a man who lost his

:48:41. > :48:44.18-year-old son in the disaster, and so many of you getting in touch with

:48:45. > :48:54.us about our interview with Becky, whose mum was killed all those years

:48:55. > :48:57.ago. Kirsty says, Becky who lost her mum at Hillsborough, incredible to

:48:58. > :49:02.say that she knew this was an injustice before she was old enough

:49:03. > :49:11.to vote. And Lynn, what an eloquent, why is young woman Becky Shah is.

:49:12. > :49:16.And this tweet from Dalton, a great interview with Becky, whose mother

:49:17. > :49:19.died at Hillsborough. What a brave, articulate young woman. Thank you

:49:20. > :49:22.for those, do keep them coming in. British Cycling has suspended

:49:23. > :49:24.its top boss over claims he made derogatery remarks

:49:25. > :49:27.to several athletes. Shane Sutton is accused of telling

:49:28. > :49:30.Olympic cyclist Jess Varnish that she should "go and have a baby"

:49:31. > :49:34.after her contract was not renewed, and accused of calling

:49:35. > :49:37.members of the paralympic We will talk to one of those

:49:38. > :49:59.Paralympic cyclists before 11. Shane Sutton, who helped

:50:00. > :50:01.mentor Sir Chris Hoy and Sir Bradley Wiggins to Olympic

:50:02. > :50:04.glory before taking over the top role in British cycling,

:50:05. > :50:06.denies all the allegations. Doctor Michael Hutchinson

:50:07. > :50:12.is a former Team GB What do you think about these

:50:13. > :50:15.claims? They are serious allegations, it is not the way you

:50:16. > :50:21.can run a squad in a modern environment. We need to get the

:50:22. > :50:25.bottom of it. He denies he has done anything wrong. Do you believe Jess

:50:26. > :50:30.Varnish and members of the para- cycling team? I don't wish to sound

:50:31. > :50:34.like I am dodging the question, because I am not. I want to see what

:50:35. > :50:41.they come up with in the internal investigation. This sort of cycling,

:50:42. > :50:47.this sort of team is very forlorn, high pressured environment, and a

:50:48. > :50:51.lot of blunt talking goes on, and a lot of that is near some of the

:50:52. > :50:59.lines you have to be careful along. -- this sort of team is very full

:51:00. > :51:02.on. There is blunt talking in terms of, that was poor, you need to do

:51:03. > :51:07.better, and then there is, go and have a baby. Yes, one of them is one

:51:08. > :51:12.side of the line, and the other is the other side, and that is why an

:51:13. > :51:15.investigation needs to look at it. Shane has denied making these

:51:16. > :51:19.remarks, but he hasn't really told us anything about the conversations

:51:20. > :51:24.that they supposedly came up in, and I would like to hear about that. The

:51:25. > :51:27.fact is this is created a serious problem for British cycling at

:51:28. > :51:34.precisely a point when they don't want it. It is 100 days before the

:51:35. > :51:37.Rio games. He is the top man in British cycling, he took over from

:51:38. > :51:45.Sir Dave Brailsford. How might this impact on the team? They currently

:51:46. > :51:48.have their head coach and technical director suspended, that will affect

:51:49. > :51:55.the entire team in terms of cord mating how the team works, how the

:51:56. > :51:59.coaches work, all of the athletes. That takes them away from their

:52:00. > :52:04.athletes, one of the other coaches having to be in charge. And if that

:52:05. > :52:07.becomes permanent, they have to deal with that is an ongoing issue

:52:08. > :52:12.running into Rio, adding that the point where you want the most stable

:52:13. > :52:16.possible teams the athletes who are on the squad know that someone is in

:52:17. > :52:20.charge, someone is looking after it, they have an environment that they

:52:21. > :52:25.are familiar with and the coaches are familiar with. So it is

:52:26. > :52:28.potentially a serious problem for GB, and they are under a certain

:52:29. > :52:34.amount of pressure in the run-up to the Olympics anyway. Thank you for

:52:35. > :52:38.talking to us, Shane Sutton denies the allegations. We did ask Jess

:52:39. > :52:40.Varnish for an interview, she says he told her to go and have a baby,

:52:41. > :52:50.but she is on a flight to Australia. A civil rights campaigner who was

:52:51. > :52:54.exposed the lying about identity say she was forced back into the closet

:52:55. > :53:00.as something that she doesn't identify with. Rachel Dolezal

:53:01. > :53:04.identified as black, but it was revealed that she was the child of

:53:05. > :53:11.white parents. She has been talking to HARDtalk's Stephen Sackur about

:53:12. > :53:16.how her life has changed. You have been through the most

:53:17. > :53:19.tumultuous, difficult year. You have in certain sections of the American

:53:20. > :53:27.media been vilified, you have lost friends. Explain to me what life is

:53:28. > :53:32.like for you today. Certainly is too is different than it was a year ago,

:53:33. > :53:36.the same time. It is different in that I am not able to do the same

:53:37. > :53:44.work that I was doing, which was very active in racial and social

:53:45. > :53:49.justice. And to remind people who don't know, you were president of

:53:50. > :53:55.the spoke any Washington state chapter the advancement of coloured

:53:56. > :54:01.people, absolutely at the centre of local civil rights issues. Right, in

:54:02. > :54:06.an unpaid position, along with the other on paid position I was in at

:54:07. > :54:16.the time, the chair of police ombudsman commission for the city

:54:17. > :54:23.for police account -- accountability, another race issue.

:54:24. > :54:34.I was Professor of black studies at Eastern Washington University, and

:54:35. > :54:40.also I was writing for the inland. And you lost all of those positions.

:54:41. > :54:43.How do you make money today? To be honest, I am running right up to the

:54:44. > :54:48.end of my unemployment, and have just secured a book deal, so I will

:54:49. > :54:53.be writing through the summer. But it has been very tight circumstances

:54:54. > :54:58.financially for the last year. To the outsider like me, it seems in a

:54:59. > :55:05.sense of straightforward. You lost all of those positions, and you ran

:55:06. > :55:12.into a storm of controversy, because you had passed yourself off as

:55:13. > :55:17.something you were not, that is a black American woman activist, when

:55:18. > :55:23.obviously you were a woman activist, but it seems you were not black in

:55:24. > :55:32.the way people thought you were. I guess some people treated, treated

:55:33. > :55:37.the media expose a about my identity. When your back story came

:55:38. > :55:46.out? Yes, as an outing, like I was outed as a white woman. Personally

:55:47. > :55:51.how I experienced it was it was more not coming out, but being put back

:55:52. > :55:57.in the closet, but a closet with glass walls. It was the world being

:55:58. > :56:06.told that I was something that I'm not, though I don't identify as. So

:56:07. > :56:12.I felt it is not the entire world's business who my biological parents

:56:13. > :56:15.were, how I was born, or what my childhood story was. That is Rachel

:56:16. > :56:19.Dolezal to talking to HARDtalk's Stephen Sackur.

:56:20. > :56:21.Coming up: We'll hear the shocking story of how complications

:56:22. > :56:27.during an epidural left a new mother paralysed.

:56:28. > :56:31.Lets get the latest news and sport in just a second. But first:

:56:32. > :56:37.Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

:56:38. > :56:45.We have had everything with the weather, haven't we? Even just this

:56:46. > :56:52.morning we have had a right array of weather. Doesn't it look beautiful?

:56:53. > :56:57.You don't have to drive in it, then it is nice to look at! Author in

:56:58. > :57:02.Scotland, you can see the variety, blue skies, lying snow. If you are

:57:03. > :57:07.in the sunshine and out of the wind, it does feel white nice, but in the

:57:08. > :57:11.wind, very cold. As we come a little further south, we don't have the

:57:12. > :57:16.snow, but look at Gloucester, that is the kind of picture you want to

:57:17. > :57:23.see. And I have another one, we are not done just yet. Is this the kind

:57:24. > :57:29.of whether you like, crisp and cold? I don't like it to be too cold, I

:57:30. > :57:33.would like the temperature to go up a little bit, I am wearing tights

:57:34. > :57:40.under my jeans and it is nearly me! Too much information! I'm using my

:57:41. > :57:45.words wisely here, but let's get on with this. What we have today is a

:57:46. > :57:51.mixture, as Victoria rightly said, it is cold outside. We still have a

:57:52. > :57:55.bit of wind going on, not as strong as yesterday, and wintry showers, a

:57:56. > :57:59.mixture of rain, sleet, hail and also some snow on the hills, and

:58:00. > :58:03.today for good measure, we are throwing in this afternoon some

:58:04. > :58:09.thunder and lightning. A lot of blue skies around as we have seen from

:58:10. > :58:13.those lovely pictures. If anything, the cloud will build through the

:58:14. > :58:16.course of the day, and we will see further showers develop, and as well

:58:17. > :58:22.as being wintry, there will be thunder and lightning embedded in

:58:23. > :58:25.them. As we head into the afternoon, we still will have some wintry

:58:26. > :58:32.showers across Scotland, particularly on the hills. In

:58:33. > :58:36.between there will be sunshine. For Northern Ireland and northern

:58:37. > :58:39.England, again it is that mixture of wintry showers, with the snow

:58:40. > :58:44.predominantly on higher ground, feeling cold if you are exposed to

:58:45. > :58:48.the wind. There will still be a few showers for Wales in the West, but

:58:49. > :58:52.for most it will dry and Brighton. As we move through the Midlands into

:58:53. > :58:57.East Anglia down towards the south coast and Kent, we are back amongst

:58:58. > :58:59.the showers. Through the evening and overnight, they migrate eastwards

:59:00. > :59:06.and eventually become confined to Windward Coast. Still a wintry

:59:07. > :59:11.flavour to them as well, but under clear skies inland, it will be

:59:12. > :59:17.another cold night. Also the risk of ice on untreated surfaces. We start

:59:18. > :59:21.with sunshine first thing, and tomorrow it will be another

:59:22. > :59:24.beautiful start to the day, with a few showers, but thicker cloud will

:59:25. > :59:28.introduce rain from Northern Ireland through northern England, Wales and

:59:29. > :59:34.parts of Scotland, and we will also have some snow coming out of that.

:59:35. > :59:37.Ahead of it, we hang on to the sunshine, and the cloud won't build

:59:38. > :59:43.on the south-east until later in the evening. Temperatures are around

:59:44. > :59:46.about 40 Celsius. The snow remains courtesy of this area of low

:59:47. > :59:52.pressure, and the ice bars remain tightly packed and windy, and

:59:53. > :00:01.overnight more snow into Scotland, again predominantly we will see some

:00:02. > :00:03.for a time. We will have rain across the South on and off as we go

:00:04. > :00:09.through the course of tomorrow morning. This great big curl around

:00:10. > :00:12.the area of low pressure, snow in north-east Scotland, rain and hill

:00:13. > :00:16.snow across northern England, possibly heavier burst at lower

:00:17. > :00:24.levels, rain in the south, but in between, drier and brighter.

:00:25. > :01:00.It should never ever have taken us 27 years. Almost three decades.

:01:01. > :01:07.Hillsborough has been a part of my life, but it has been a huge part of

:01:08. > :01:12.my life. I'm Ben Brown, I will be reporting live from Liverpool. This

:01:13. > :01:19.evening there will be a special memorial event here at St George's

:01:20. > :01:22.Hall to remember the 96 people who lost their lives in Hillsborough. We

:01:23. > :01:23.will talk to the families about their long, persistent and

:01:24. > :01:28.determined fight for justice. It's the second day

:01:29. > :01:30.of the first-ever all-out junior doctors' strike in England -

:01:31. > :01:32.with medics withdrawing both routine and emergency care in protest

:01:33. > :01:35.at the imposition of a new contract. We'll bring you the

:01:36. > :01:38.latest on the dispute. Also on the programme,

:01:39. > :01:41.a mum tells us how an epidural before giving birth to her first

:01:42. > :01:43.child, left her paralysed I feel very let down actually

:01:44. > :01:52.because I was saying, you know, so Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:01:53. > :01:56.with a summary of today's news. There are growing calls

:01:57. > :01:57.for senior police officers to be held accountable

:01:58. > :02:08.for the Hillsborough disaster. Yesterday an inquest jury ruled that

:02:09. > :02:10.all 96 Liverpool fans Thousands of people are expected

:02:11. > :02:13.to attend commemorative events Two criminal investigations

:02:14. > :02:21.into the disaster and its aftermath are ongoing and could finish

:02:22. > :02:24.by the end of 2016. Becky Shah's mother

:02:25. > :02:25.died at Hillsborough. She said the long wait for justice

:02:26. > :02:36.had taken an immense It is a disgrace that it has taken

:02:37. > :02:41.us this long and there are people who are no longer here. There are

:02:42. > :02:45.families and survivors who the toll has become too much. They have

:02:46. > :02:48.become physically ill or mentally ill and taken their own lives

:02:49. > :02:58.because of what they have been through with Hillsborough.

:02:59. > :03:03.Let's go live to Ben Brown. Yes, we are here in Liverpool, a

:03:04. > :03:08.mood not so much of celebration, but of ind vation many people here feel

:03:09. > :03:12.by the rulings from the coroners jury yesterday at Warrington

:03:13. > :03:19.Coroners' Court. The ruling of unlawful killing and today, what we

:03:20. > :03:24.are seeing here at St George's Hall are 96 lanterns which have been lit

:03:25. > :03:30.in memory of the 96 people who died. There is a special memorial event

:03:31. > :03:34.here later on this evening at St George's Hall where players past and

:03:35. > :03:38.present from Liverpool and Everton football clubs will be among those

:03:39. > :03:43.paying tributes to the dead. At six minutes past 3pm, the time that the

:03:44. > :03:48.game at Hillsborough was abandoned, that is when bells across Liverpool

:03:49. > :03:53.will ring out. Now, many people here are wondering if there will be

:03:54. > :03:56.criminal charges as a result of the jury's conclusions yesterday and

:03:57. > :04:00.they may have have to wait a bit longer. They have already had to

:04:01. > :04:05.wait 27 years for the findings that were returned yesterday, but they

:04:06. > :04:10.may have to wait up to a year longer for the Crown Prosecution Service to

:04:11. > :04:15.bring charges if indeed they do and if they do, those charges could

:04:16. > :04:19.include gross negligence manslaughter, perjury and conspiracy

:04:20. > :04:20.to pervert the course of justice. Charges potentially against both

:04:21. > :04:25.individuals and organisations. Junior doctors in England will stage

:04:26. > :04:28.another full walk-out this morning. This industrial action is the first

:04:29. > :04:31.time in the history of the NHS that junior doctors have withdrawn

:04:32. > :04:33.the provision of emergency care. NHS leaders say hospitals coped well

:04:34. > :04:36.with yesterday's strike. Barclays Bank has reported a 25%

:04:37. > :04:46.fall in profits for the first The company pointed to challenging

:04:47. > :04:50.market conditions in banking as profits fell from over ?1 billion

:04:51. > :05:03.to just under ?800 million. Donald Trump has declared himself

:05:04. > :05:05.the Republican party's nominee for US President after winning

:05:06. > :05:08.all five of the primaries For the Democrats, Hillary Clinton

:05:09. > :05:16.won in four states. Our North America correspondent,

:05:17. > :05:18.Nick Bryant reports. British Cycling has suspended

:05:19. > :05:21.its technical director, Shane Sutton, while an investigation

:05:22. > :05:23.takes place into allegations Mr Sutton joined the sport's

:05:24. > :05:27.governing body as a coach in 2002. He has been accused of sexism by one

:05:28. > :05:31.rider and is reported to have made derogatory

:05:32. > :05:33.comments about para-cyclists. Supermarkets have been

:05:34. > :05:41.criticised for unclear pricing The Competition and Markets

:05:42. > :05:48.Authority says that multi-buys and money-off deals

:05:49. > :05:50.weren't always genuine. It specifically urged Asda to change

:05:51. > :05:52.the way it advertises promotions. The announcement follows a complaint

:05:53. > :06:01.by the consumer group Which? Urgent action is needed to stop up

:06:02. > :06:04.to 50,000 people a year dying early from air pollution-related

:06:05. > :06:05.illnesses, according The Environment, Food

:06:06. > :06:09.and Rural Affairs Committee says clean air zones are needed in dozens

:06:10. > :06:12.of English towns and cities to cut Five cities are to get the zones,

:06:13. > :06:16.which they can charge The Government says all

:06:17. > :06:21.councils have the powers The technology giant, Apple,

:06:22. > :06:25.has reported its first fall Quarterly income is down 13%,

:06:26. > :06:29.compared to the same There's been a sharp dip in sales

:06:30. > :06:36.of Apple's signature product, the iPhone, for the first time

:06:37. > :06:40.since it was launched in 2007. That's a summary of

:06:41. > :06:54.the latest BBC News. So many of you getting in touch

:06:55. > :06:58.regarding the conclusion of the Hillsborough inquests. Michael said,

:06:59. > :07:03."Surely it is time to find out how much the Government of the day new

:07:04. > :07:10.about the cover-up." Stewart Young says, "I'm going to give Jeremy Kyle

:07:11. > :07:15.a go. I can't stand the rhetoric of Hillsborough on your programme."

:07:16. > :07:18.Another viewer says, "Tears are running down my face. Those who were

:07:19. > :07:19.responsible need to be prosecuted of the there is no more getting away

:07:20. > :07:21.it." Do get in touch with us

:07:22. > :07:24.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

:07:25. > :07:33.and If you text, you will be charged You tweeted eek because of your next

:07:34. > :07:35.guest. You're not scared, are you Hugh? You have got to be prepared

:07:36. > :07:41.fob these situations. Now we have a very

:07:42. > :07:44.special guest right now. Wladimir Klitschko the former

:07:45. > :07:46.Heavyweight Champion of the World joins us now in Manchester today

:07:47. > :07:54.promoting his summer fight What are your thoughts? This is my

:07:55. > :07:58.first time in Manchester. Wet went to the soccer game last night and it

:07:59. > :08:02.was amazing to see the atmosphere and meet people from Manchester. I'm

:08:03. > :08:08.feeling great, finally we are getting to the stage with the first

:08:09. > :08:11.press conference before Fury before our rematch on 9th July which is

:08:12. > :08:20.great to know it is happening because I was thinking, is that

:08:21. > :08:25.going to happen or not? Now between the European soccer Cup and the

:08:26. > :08:30.Olympic Games we got the date, the television date 9th July. The fight

:08:31. > :08:35.will be staged here in Manchester and I'm looking forward to fighting

:08:36. > :08:40.on British soil. You are 40 years old. So what's the fight about? Is

:08:41. > :08:50.it pride? Is it revenge? Why the rematch? It's revenge. I made a

:08:51. > :08:55.mistake. I made a mistake. 11-and-a-half years a I lost. It was

:08:56. > :08:59.good. I'm enjoying the place and what is happening with me right now

:09:00. > :09:03.is not being a champion and I'm taking this challenge seriously and

:09:04. > :09:11.I'm on a mission to get my titles back. One of those titles which you

:09:12. > :09:15.lost to Tyson Fury has gone to Anthony Joshua. What would you make

:09:16. > :09:29.of a fight with him. It has been an incredible rise. A champion after 16

:09:30. > :09:35.fights? As soon as Tyson fury got the titles, one got last. I'm glad

:09:36. > :09:39.Anthony Joshua got the title. I have always been a fan of Anthony Joshua.

:09:40. > :09:43.I met him at my training camp in Austria. He is a taent Liberal

:09:44. > :09:49.Democrat guy and I'm glad he won the title. And what if you lose to Tyson

:09:50. > :09:53.Fury this summer, you probably haven't contemplated it. Would that

:09:54. > :09:58.be the end of your boxing career? I'm not going to lose against Tyson

:09:59. > :10:07.Fury. Otherwise I wouldn't stand here if I think I will lose against

:10:08. > :10:12.Tyson Fury. I will conquer Tyson Fury in the ring on 9th July. Watch

:10:13. > :10:15.me! He will say the opposite. Did you under estimate him in the first

:10:16. > :10:20.fight because he performed very well? Well, I made a mistake. I was

:10:21. > :10:27.physically there, but mentally I wasn't in the ring and you could see

:10:28. > :10:34.it. I even let my hands go, how simple is that? Why against Tyson

:10:35. > :10:42.tury after all these years? I was not present in the ring mentally.

:10:43. > :10:46.But I will on 9th July. Mentally what's changed? After always

:10:47. > :10:53.defending the titles, it's something that you have in your life, in your

:10:54. > :10:58.life, boxing, it was for many years defending my titles, defending

:10:59. > :11:02.titles. Conquering the man that is standing in front of me, that's what

:11:03. > :11:06.I didn't do. I was defending the titles. So the hunger is back? The

:11:07. > :11:15.hunger is back. What's the message for Tyson Fury and his fans before

:11:16. > :11:21.the fight? Where is the camera? See the strongest one, Klitschko on 9th

:11:22. > :11:25.July in Manchester and enjoy my win. Is it clear enough? Yes, it is a

:11:26. > :11:30.clear message. Victoria, it is back to you.

:11:31. > :11:37.STUDIO: See, he wasn't scary at all, was he? My heart was going a bit!

:11:38. > :11:43.Good morning, thank you for tuning in.

:11:44. > :11:46.It has taken 27 years to get answers, but yesterday the loved

:11:47. > :11:53.ones of those who died in the Hillsborough stadium disaster

:11:54. > :11:55.got the answers they'd been waiting for.

:11:56. > :11:57.That everyone who died had been unlawfully killed, and that

:11:58. > :11:59.Liverpool football fans were entirely blameless.

:12:00. > :12:02.The inquests into the deaths of those who died during that 1989

:12:03. > :12:04.FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest found that

:12:05. > :12:06.police had made mistakes, and these contributed

:12:07. > :12:11.96 men, women and children died in a crush at the stadium

:12:12. > :12:14.Throughout the programme this morning, we've been hearing

:12:15. > :12:24.Let us talk to Barry Devonside whose 18-year-old son Christopher

:12:25. > :12:25.died at Hillsborough, kept a video diary

:12:26. > :12:27.during those inquests which lasted over two years.

:12:28. > :12:42.My name is Barry. We lost our son Christopher on 15th April 1989.

:12:43. > :12:48.Chris was our only son and he was 18 years old. As far as we are

:12:49. > :12:55.concerned, he was a diamond to be around with and we loved him so

:12:56. > :13:02.much. And we miss him every day. Come the Thursday prior to the

:13:03. > :13:07.match, he asked me two times could he go and I said on each owication,

:13:08. > :13:10.no. I said I don't want you go there, it is not safe. He came back

:13:11. > :13:19.a third time and I don't know, I will never know why I said yes.

:13:20. > :13:24.I wanted to make my way to where we said we would all meet up. All I

:13:25. > :13:32.wanted to see was our Chris and he was brought in a black bag and they

:13:33. > :13:36.opened the bag up and they opened the top of the bag so I had a clear

:13:37. > :13:46.vision of his face. I bent down to give him a kiss on his head and this

:13:47. > :13:51.police officer pulled me back. I shoved him away. How dare you invade

:13:52. > :13:55.my space at the worst moment of my life. A dreadful, dreadful

:13:56. > :13:59.situation, you go to a football match with your son and you don't

:14:00. > :14:05.take him home. For quite a while now since we lost

:14:06. > :14:09.our son Christopher, I have had a serious problem sleeping. I would

:14:10. > :14:14.get up at 1am and 2am and stop up all night. These current inquests

:14:15. > :14:19.have been going very slowly. It has now been getting beneath my skin and

:14:20. > :14:24.affecting my sleep pattern. I left an hour earlier today because I was

:14:25. > :14:30.finding it very, very difficult to deal with.

:14:31. > :14:36.I know that my son Christopher was on top of four other bodies which

:14:37. > :14:43.had been piled on top of each other. So you can imagine how difficult it

:14:44. > :14:53.is to listen to this kind of thing. Our only son was laid down on his

:14:54. > :14:58.back in a penalty area and today, the 31st March we were told that he

:14:59. > :15:05.could have been alive, could have been alive, for at least an hour. We

:15:06. > :15:14.have no evidence that anybody tried to save his life.

:15:15. > :15:18.All we've got is memories of our lovely, lovely lad and an excellent

:15:19. > :15:21.son. Thank you. Well, Barry is in Liverpool for us this morning along

:15:22. > :15:24.with Dr John who was at the game that day and helped some of the

:15:25. > :15:28.people affected. Barry, you know, listening to that, it is almost

:15:29. > :15:33.futile to say it to you, but I'm going to say it to you anyway, we

:15:34. > :15:38.are so, sorry for your loss, it is unbelievable still, isn't it?

:15:39. > :15:45.It is, each and every family who have lost body, is dreadful. The

:15:46. > :15:50.people I have got to know over the years attending all of the inquests,

:15:51. > :15:56.all of the people loved the family or the person that never came home

:15:57. > :16:01.from Hillsborough. In our case, as I said on the diary there, Christopher

:16:02. > :16:07.never, ever caused us a problem. I don't want to be a biased ad, to be

:16:08. > :16:10.seen in that way, but he never caused us a problem. He was a

:16:11. > :16:15.pleasure to have around, and we loved him dearly. When the police

:16:16. > :16:18.asked me to identify Chris, as I have just mentioned there, a police

:16:19. > :16:23.officer tried to stop me from bending down to kiss him on the

:16:24. > :16:31.forehead, and I pushed him away, and when I bent down to kiss him, he was

:16:32. > :16:38.still very, very slightly warm, and within two minutes, I am facing two

:16:39. > :16:42.police officers asking me questions, who do identify? And I said, it was

:16:43. > :16:46.Christopher Barry Devonside, and they said, how did you travel here

:16:47. > :16:50.today, and I said, I came by car, and I said what has that got to do

:16:51. > :16:55.with identification? He said, we want to know about everybody's day

:16:56. > :17:01.together. Did you stop off and have a meal and have a drink? What has

:17:02. > :17:05.that got to do with identification? They asked me five direct questions,

:17:06. > :17:12.and I gave them exactly the same answer, and I knew then, with my

:17:13. > :17:17.brother-in-law and our kid, that the cover-up had already started, and

:17:18. > :17:22.that's how the families have been treated for the last 27 years. And

:17:23. > :17:32.you were there every single day of the inquest? I've not missed any one

:17:33. > :17:36.of the 80 days, and myself and Steve Bright, somebody who lost his

:17:37. > :17:41.brother, he and I have done somewhere around 320. The answered

:17:42. > :17:47.your question is we have never missed a day regarding the last one.

:17:48. > :17:53.We have to be there, we want to hear the sky will as lies of the police

:17:54. > :17:58.officers who painted a picture, tainted Liverpool supporters in the

:17:59. > :18:02.worst possible life because they were trying to cover-up the mistakes

:18:03. > :18:06.that they made, and that is why families have stayed steadfast, and

:18:07. > :18:11.where you have people, a large group of people, standing together,

:18:12. > :18:14.shoulder to shoulder, you have solidarity. Where you have

:18:15. > :18:17.solidarity, you have immense strength, and that is what the

:18:18. > :18:21.families have done. Stick together and fight against the South

:18:22. > :18:30.Yorkshire Police. Some people watching won't know that you

:18:31. > :18:32.approached former Chief Superintendent David Dukinfield

:18:33. > :18:39.during the inquest to talk to him. Tell our audience what you said to

:18:40. > :18:44.him. He had just finished being on the witness stand for six and a half

:18:45. > :18:48.days, and I went out of court, it was a sunny day, and there was a

:18:49. > :18:53.considerable number of families outside, and I saw him walking up

:18:54. > :18:57.the corridor with two minders, his wife and another lady. I didn't plan

:18:58. > :19:01.to do anything, I saw the opportunity and I walked towards

:19:02. > :19:05.him. The two minders that he had stepped forward as though I was

:19:06. > :19:10.going to cause a problem. I said, I just want to speak with Mr

:19:11. > :19:13.Dukinfield. I said, my name is Barry Devonside, can you tell me why you

:19:14. > :19:18.kept my wife and daughter and every other family waiting for 27 years

:19:19. > :19:24.before you tell the truth? He stepped forward and said, Mr

:19:25. > :19:28.Devonside, I can only apologise. I said, is that the best you can do

:19:29. > :19:35.after 27 years? He said, yes, and I just turned and walked away. I got

:19:36. > :19:39.the apology. He is an absolute disgrace to humanity as well as the

:19:40. > :19:42.South Yorkshire Police, and his behaviour and the behaviour of other

:19:43. > :19:47.police officers has to be brought to book. It cannot end with what

:19:48. > :19:49.happened yesterday, it must be carried forward and the Crown

:19:50. > :19:56.Prosecution Service should bring serious charges against a lot of

:19:57. > :20:02.those police officers. John Ashton, can I bring you in? You saw the

:20:03. > :20:06.disaster unfold, you understood some of the failings on that day. What

:20:07. > :20:14.did you realise was happening on that afternoon? It was immediately

:20:15. > :20:20.apparent that the emergency response was totally inadequate, and I had to

:20:21. > :20:26.assume responsibility behind the Leppings Lane stand for initiating

:20:27. > :20:30.the triage of the casualties to make sure that those who stood a chance

:20:31. > :20:32.were dispatched the hospital first, and then at the end of the

:20:33. > :20:40.afternoon, I finished up certifying six of the dead behind the Leppings

:20:41. > :20:46.Lane stand. As Barry has said, it was very quickly apparent that there

:20:47. > :20:50.was going to be a cover-up. It was apparent to me at the end of the

:20:51. > :20:54.afternoon when I got thrown out of the gymnasium where the bodies had

:20:55. > :20:57.been taken, and the police all gathered, and that is where I

:20:58. > :21:03.believe that the narrative, the story, began that was fed in to

:21:04. > :21:07.Margaret Thatcher and Bernard Ingram the following morning, that they

:21:08. > :21:13.took back to Whitehall, that led in due course to very similar letters

:21:14. > :21:18.going to the coroner from different Government departments and health

:21:19. > :21:23.service bodies, freezing the emergency response. And I think the

:21:24. > :21:26.spotlight needs now to shift onto the Whitehall responsibility, the

:21:27. > :21:31.Cabinet papers that should be released in a couple of years' time,

:21:32. > :21:34.we need to make sure that they don't disappear, that they are not

:21:35. > :21:38.redacted. We need to know what conversations took place between

:21:39. > :21:43.Margaret Thatcher, ministers of state, the press office, Bernard

:21:44. > :21:51.Ingram, that is what we need to find out next. Today is a day of

:21:52. > :21:56.reflection, and today it is almost like a biblical deliverance for the

:21:57. > :22:02.families, and it is important that they should really savour today and

:22:03. > :22:06.yesterday before re-engaging with things that still have to be dealt

:22:07. > :22:10.with. The layers of this onion go deep. Many of them have now been

:22:11. > :22:17.uncovered, but there are more to come. I know that the families will

:22:18. > :22:24.not rest until everything has had the light of day on it. Can I read

:22:25. > :22:27.you send messages, gentlemen, from our audience watching you around the

:22:28. > :22:32.country, and they are incredibly moved your words today. This is from

:22:33. > :22:36.Chris, I am feeling really emotional watching guests on your programme.

:22:37. > :22:41.My heart breaks for all those families. Jimmy says, these

:22:42. > :22:44.interviews are hard braking I am not ashamed to have shed a tear. Aaron

:22:45. > :22:52.tweets, heartbreaking stories of Hillsborough. This from Doug: It is

:22:53. > :23:01.not the clock up of Hillsborough that needs conclusion, it is the

:23:02. > :23:06.massive cover-up. And this from Adam, which is hopeful: Justice at

:23:07. > :23:10.last for the 96, it gives people of all walks of life the hope that all

:23:11. > :23:18.miscarriages of justice can be solved. Do you think that is true,

:23:19. > :23:23.that you give hope to others, that miscarriages of justice can be

:23:24. > :23:28.solved? As I said about people sticking together, and some of those

:23:29. > :23:32.adding strength, where you have that kind of thing, it is in abundance in

:23:33. > :23:36.the people of Liverpool, the people of Merseyside, and the people from

:23:37. > :23:40.this region who have stood by the families and supported the families

:23:41. > :23:45.from day one, and without that support, I'm not sure we would

:23:46. > :23:48.achieve anything. You cannot treat people the way that the families

:23:49. > :23:54.were treated, in the most despicable of ways, lies, the worst kind of

:23:55. > :23:58.lies, have been told by an organisation called the South

:23:59. > :24:02.Yorkshire Police force, who should have been upholding the law, not

:24:03. > :24:06.breaking the law, and as far as I'm concerned, the Crown Prosecution

:24:07. > :24:11.Service need to get their act together and bring charges against

:24:12. > :24:16.many high-ranking police officers, and this should never be allowed to

:24:17. > :24:22.happen again where 96 victims from 92 families are treated in the worst

:24:23. > :24:26.possible way. The Crown Prosecution Service have to get this act

:24:27. > :24:31.together. Can I just say, Victoria. If you look at today's Echo, the

:24:32. > :24:38.groups that were identified yesterday, the organisations, the

:24:39. > :24:42.police and the different organisations were identified

:24:43. > :24:48.yesterday, they still show no shame. It is detailed in today's Liverpool

:24:49. > :24:53.Echo. A still show no shame, they are using mealy-mouthed words and

:24:54. > :24:58.they are not demonstrating any humanity, and it is a real crying

:24:59. > :25:03.shame that we have people like that in senior positions. We have a moral

:25:04. > :25:06.crisis of leadership in this country where people will not accept

:25:07. > :25:10.responsibility when things go wrong, but they are happy to take the big

:25:11. > :25:16.salaries and the honours and all the rest of it. These families have

:25:17. > :25:19.shown the way for a moral renaissance in this country, and we

:25:20. > :25:25.have to use this to go forward and clean-up Rotich public life,

:25:26. > :25:30.starting with the parties identified by the coroner yesterday. -- we have

:25:31. > :25:33.to clean up British public life. Up to a fortnight ago, members of the

:25:34. > :25:38.South Yorkshire Police were still telling blatant lies. I will not

:25:39. > :25:41.give you names, I will give you an example. The coroner read out a

:25:42. > :25:46.statement that was made by a high-ranking police officer in which

:25:47. > :25:51.he said, there was chaos on the pitch, there were over 200 police

:25:52. > :25:56.officers walking around aimlessly. He made a second statement a week

:25:57. > :26:00.later, the words chaos and 200 police officers walking around the

:26:01. > :26:04.pitch with no leadership and no direction had been removed. He then

:26:05. > :26:09.made a third statement, it was watered down again, and then he made

:26:10. > :26:12.a fourth statement. How in any society can a high-ranking police

:26:13. > :26:16.officer make one statement followed by watering it down on three

:26:17. > :26:21.furthermore? That man should be charged with an attempt to avert the

:26:22. > :26:26.course of justice. Gentlemen, thank you very much your time. We really

:26:27. > :26:31.appreciated, thank you. Thank you for the opportunity.

:26:32. > :26:33.Barry Devonside Liverpool for us this morning,

:26:34. > :26:35.along with Dr John Ashton, who was at the game that

:26:36. > :26:36.day and helped some of the people affected.

:26:37. > :26:45.Barry lost his only son Christopher, who was aged 18.

:26:46. > :26:49.Next, the key suspect in the Paris attacks has been handed over to

:26:50. > :26:55.France by the authorities in Belgium. Salah Abdeslam was arrested

:26:56. > :27:00.in Brussels last month after four months on the run.

:27:01. > :27:04.Let's speak to Lucy Williamson in Paris.

:27:05. > :27:11.Remind us what he is accused of. He is believed to have played a central

:27:12. > :27:16.role in both the planning and the execution of the November attacks

:27:17. > :27:20.here. He hired the cars that we used to carry out the attacks, and he is

:27:21. > :27:28.believed to have driven the suicide bombers at the Stade de France, he

:27:29. > :27:34.drove them, police believe, to that location. Possibly he was meant to

:27:35. > :27:38.carry out his own attack, but that never happened. So all of that is

:27:39. > :27:41.heart of why France wants to talk to him, and this is a really key moment

:27:42. > :27:45.for the country, because for the first time, they have actually got

:27:46. > :27:51.somebody they believe was central to these attacks are live in custody in

:27:52. > :27:55.France. And I should say, he is expected to appear before

:27:56. > :27:59.magistrates later today, where he will be expected to be placed under

:28:00. > :28:02.formal investigation, and we expect obviously he will be kept in custody

:28:03. > :28:05.as well. Thank you, Lucy Williamson in Paris.

:28:06. > :28:08.Junior doctors in England are taking part in the second day of all-out

:28:09. > :28:09.strike action in protest at new contracts.

:28:10. > :28:12.More than 20,000 medics are said to have walked out yesterday.

:28:13. > :28:14.NHS bosses have urged patients to continue to use

:28:15. > :28:22.This week's strikes are the first time doctors have stopped providing

:28:23. > :28:26.emergency care in the history of the NHS.

:28:27. > :28:27.Our Health correspondent Smitha Mundasad is outside

:28:28. > :28:30.St Thomas' Hospital in Central London.

:28:31. > :28:36.What's the mood on the picket line today?

:28:37. > :28:45.You join me on the second day, there are fewer people here today, but

:28:46. > :28:50.still a strong picket line, the second time that junior doctors have

:28:51. > :28:53.walked out of emergency care, maternity care and even

:28:54. > :28:56.resuscitation teams. An unprecedented action. But the real

:28:57. > :29:00.question is, what is going to happen next? Both sides don't seem like

:29:01. > :29:05.they are going to budge, they are sticking to their guns. With me are

:29:06. > :29:08.two junior doctors who worked the night shift last night. Dr Richard

:29:09. > :29:13.Lee, you an intensive care last night. There was some worry that

:29:14. > :29:16.patients would flooding after the strike ended, or that junior doctors

:29:17. > :29:21.would not be able to cope with all the jobs left for them. How was it

:29:22. > :29:25.for you? Good morning. I was very reassured that the consultant

:29:26. > :29:30.yesterday had replaced each of our roles, so there was no difference in

:29:31. > :29:34.the level of staffing, and they were some ten years senior, so the

:29:35. > :29:39.handover was very robust. There was no issue on patient safety. They had

:29:40. > :29:42.set the plans for through the night, and it is normal for us to talk to

:29:43. > :29:46.those same doctors through the night shift, and I spoke to them at the

:29:47. > :29:49.point of handover about 9pm and through the night, and there was no

:29:50. > :29:54.difference in the routine care and likewise in the daytime. Care had

:29:55. > :29:57.been much the same as normal. So it is reassuring that the consultants

:29:58. > :30:02.have got our back here, and they have said all along. They said it

:30:03. > :30:05.was encouraging that we were out on the picket to make sure that we

:30:06. > :30:11.could get our message across. Thank you. And you an intensive care, but

:30:12. > :30:15.it feels like no side is budging here. What will happen next, and if

:30:16. > :30:20.his contract lands on your door, what will you do? I think it is sad

:30:21. > :30:28.that it has come to this, and we have public support at the moment,

:30:29. > :30:31.we have 55 junior doctors telling us the contract is not safe, and the

:30:32. > :30:34.Royal College as well, on the Government need to start opening up

:30:35. > :30:38.and listening to us, and reopening negotiations with the BNA, and that

:30:39. > :30:41.is the only way that this will be solved, by talking and sitting

:30:42. > :30:46.around and making a proper contract for safe patients. 40,000 operations

:30:47. > :30:50.have been postponed. Is it really worth it? Is there not something

:30:51. > :30:56.else that you could have done to avert this? The indications of the

:30:57. > :31:01.contract are being imposed will lead to greater patient safety risks, and

:31:02. > :31:05.in order to prevent that, we have to do this, we have to do whatever we

:31:06. > :31:12.can to increase public awareness and ensure that we have the right

:31:13. > :31:15.contract. Delaying any patient care we feel terrible about, but we are

:31:16. > :31:20.genuinely worried what is going to happen to the NHS. We are standing

:31:21. > :31:23.up for what we think is going to affect it in the long-term. Thank

:31:24. > :31:28.you for speaking to us, we have to end it there. Passions still running

:31:29. > :31:29.high here, but the public will be watching carefully to see which side

:31:30. > :31:36.makes a move. We'll hear from the mum left

:31:37. > :31:39.paralysed and unable to walk by an epidural during the birth

:31:40. > :31:54.of her first child. We'll bring you the

:31:55. > :31:56.details and speak to a member of the British Paralypic

:31:57. > :31:59.team who he allegedly called a gimp. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:32:00. > :32:02.with a summary of today's news. There are growing calls

:32:03. > :32:04.for senior police officers to be held accountable

:32:05. > :32:06.for the Hillsborough disaster. Yesterday an inquest jury ruled that

:32:07. > :32:08.all 96 Liverpool fans Thousands of people are expected

:32:09. > :32:13.to attend commemorative events Two criminal investigations

:32:14. > :32:19.into the disaster and its aftermath are ongoing and could finish

:32:20. > :32:22.by the end of 2016. Becky Shah's mother

:32:23. > :32:24.died at Hillsborough. She said the long wait for justice

:32:25. > :32:36.had taken an immense I think it is an absolute disgrace

:32:37. > :32:41.that it has taken us this long and that there are people who are no

:32:42. > :32:45.longer here. There are families and survivors who the toll has been too

:32:46. > :32:49.much. They have become physically ill or mentally ill and taken their

:32:50. > :32:59.own lives because of what they have been through with Hillsborough.

:33:00. > :33:06.The UK's economic growth has slowed. It was down from 0.6% in the final

:33:07. > :33:11.three months of last year. The Office for National Statistics said.

:33:12. > :33:13.Junior doctors in England will stage another full walk-out this morning.

:33:14. > :33:17.This industrial action is the first time in the history of the NHS that

:33:18. > :33:19.junior doctors have withdrawn the provision of emergency care.

:33:20. > :33:21.NHS leaders say hospitals coped well with yesterday's strike.

:33:22. > :33:33.The key suspect in the Paris attacks has been extradited

:33:34. > :33:38.from Belgium to France, the Belgian Federal

:33:39. > :33:41.Salah Abdeslam, who was arrested in Brussels last month

:33:42. > :33:45.He is wanted in France for his role in the November attacks

:33:46. > :33:49.Barclays Bank has reported a 25% fall in profits for the first

:33:50. > :33:55.The company pointed to challenging market conditions in banking

:33:56. > :33:59.as profits fell from over ?1 billion to just under ?800 million.

:34:00. > :34:01.Donald Trump has won Republican presidential

:34:02. > :34:03.primaries in five US states, while for the Democrats Hillary

:34:04. > :34:07.Mr Trump called himself the Republican nominee

:34:08. > :34:11.Mrs Clinton also made gains in the Democrat race,

:34:12. > :34:14.but was denied a clean sweep by rival Bernie Sanders who won

:34:15. > :34:40.It is time for sport. Manchester City boss says his side will have

:34:41. > :34:45.nothing to fear when they travel to the Bernabeu. City sharing a

:34:46. > :34:49.goalless draw with Real Madrid at home last night thanks largely to an

:34:50. > :35:01.impressive goalkeeping display from their goalkeeper, Joe Hart. Ding

:35:02. > :35:08.tharbd Mark Williams. Mark Selby is two frames away from the last four.

:35:09. > :35:14.He leads 11-6. Ellie similar Mondays and Bethany

:35:15. > :35:17.Firth broke their own records at the British para swimming trials with

:35:18. > :35:21.100 days to go until the Olympics of course. And that's all the sport for

:35:22. > :35:29.now. I will have more across the BBC News this morning.

:35:30. > :35:33.Our business editor Kamal Ahmed joins me from the city of London.

:35:34. > :35:44.Remind us about the figures first of all. I have been in West London at

:35:45. > :35:50.Virgin Media and George Osborne, the Chancellor, was here this morning

:35:51. > :35:55.having to sell one message. Economic growth slowed slightly. It is up

:35:56. > :36:01.0.4% in the first three months of this year. That's compared to 0.6%

:36:02. > :36:06.for the first three months of 2015. George Osborne really puts that down

:36:07. > :36:12.to one thing and that is uncertainty around the European Union referendum

:36:13. > :36:17.on 23rd June and uncertainty about whether after that referendum

:36:18. > :36:22.Britain will be in or out of the EU. He said that investment has slowed

:36:23. > :36:26.because of that referendum risk. That property deals have stopped.

:36:27. > :36:29.That businesses have lost confidence really because of the uncertainty

:36:30. > :36:35.about the referendum. He said there was a direct cost not just to

:36:36. > :36:40.businesses, but to the public if we were to leave the European Union. I

:36:41. > :36:45.did push him in my interview to say that actually the GDP figures, the

:36:46. > :36:49.economic growth figures, signalled, there were more fundamental problems

:36:50. > :36:51.in the economy, problems around productivity, problems around

:36:52. > :36:54.manufacturing, problems around exports and that those problems had

:36:55. > :36:57.been around for many years. They weren't just down to the short-term

:36:58. > :37:02.ricks of the EU referendum. He said yes, there were other issues in the

:37:03. > :37:06.economy, but the big decision that Britain makes on 23rd June was the

:37:07. > :37:09.biggest issue at the moment. Of course, the critics of that position

:37:10. > :37:14.and of George Osborne's position say that if Britain was to leave the

:37:15. > :37:18.European Union that would be a huge boost to the British economy. That

:37:19. > :37:20.we would be freed from the shackles of the European Union, but

:37:21. > :37:25.certainly, George Osborne doesn't believe that. He thinks that or he

:37:26. > :37:31.wants the public to focus on one issue. Is it better or worse for me

:37:32. > :37:35.as a consumer, as an employee, as someone working in a business, if

:37:36. > :37:37.Britain is in or out of the European Union?

:37:38. > :37:45.Thank you. "I couldn't even say

:37:46. > :37:47.the word paralysed." That's what Irrum Jetha,

:37:48. > :37:50.a first-time mum left unable to walk following an epidural

:37:51. > :37:51.has told our programme. In an exclusive interview,

:37:52. > :37:54.the 34-year-old mum of one reveals that she repeatedly alerted medical

:37:55. > :37:58.staff that after giving birth, the numbness from the epidural

:37:59. > :38:01.wasn't wearing off and she couldn't Eventually a blood clot

:38:02. > :38:07.was discovered on her spine. She underwent emergency surgery

:38:08. > :38:10.and the next day was given the devastating news

:38:11. > :38:11.that the damage was permanent. Paralysed and facing life

:38:12. > :38:14.in wheelchair, Irrum and her husband Adam are now taking legal action

:38:15. > :38:17.against the hospital for the delays in acknowledging

:38:18. > :38:20.something was wrong. In their first broadcast interview,

:38:21. > :38:38.the couple describe first of all, The birth was long, but yeah, I mean

:38:39. > :38:45.it was amazing. I was induced at the hospital. So it did go on for quite

:38:46. > :38:50.sometime. But when she finally came, yeah, it was amazing. It was

:38:51. > :38:55.amazing. When did you start to think that something might be wrong with

:38:56. > :39:04.your recovery from the birth? When I got moved down to the HDU, I had no

:39:05. > :39:09.movement in my legs at all. And so when I was seen by the doctors and

:39:10. > :39:13.the midwives, I asked them, I have got no feeling, I can't move my legs

:39:14. > :39:19.at aland I was reassured that was normal and because it was my first

:39:20. > :39:24.child, I didn't, I didn't know what to expect and that was fine. And you

:39:25. > :39:28.were in the High Dependency Unit because of what reason? I have got a

:39:29. > :39:34.heart condition. That was always part of the plan that I was going to

:39:35. > :39:39.be in the HDU. The anaesthetic from the epidural wasn't wearing off? No.

:39:40. > :39:45.Why had you had an epidural? I was advised by the team to have an

:39:46. > :39:48.epidural because they didn't want any extra strain on the heart and

:39:49. > :39:52.that's what they would advice anyone with a heart condition. What did

:39:53. > :39:57.medical staff say when you kept on saying through the following day, "I

:39:58. > :40:02.still can't feel any sensation in my legs." They kept on reassuring me it

:40:03. > :40:07.was normal and tomorrow people take a bit longer for the epidural to

:40:08. > :40:13.wear off, but my concern was I wasn't having any recovery at all.

:40:14. > :40:21.When did they accept actually this wasn't normal anymore? It was

:40:22. > :40:26.probably at 5pm that day. So, Emily was born at 3am, it was almost in

:40:27. > :40:31.the evening part, but this all suddenly went into panic mode from

:40:32. > :40:36.reassuring me just a couple of hours before to suddenly everybody seemed

:40:37. > :40:40.to be, you know, lots of people sort of congregating around the bed and

:40:41. > :40:47.we began to realise something is not right at all now. I think the

:40:48. > :40:51.consultant an eth is atist told me they were concerned there was a

:40:52. > :40:54.bruising on her spine and we didn't really understand, you know, the

:40:55. > :40:59.significance of that at the time, what bruising of the spine meant,

:41:00. > :41:05.but you just knew at that point that there was a lot of alarm bells which

:41:06. > :41:10.were starting to go off. So what happened to you then? They were

:41:11. > :41:16.waiting to do an MRI scan to diagnose if it was a hem tomb Which

:41:17. > :41:20.is a ma. Blood clot? Which is a blood clot and there was a lot of

:41:21. > :41:24.waiting around for that. They had to arrange that because their MRI had

:41:25. > :41:29.shot at the hospital so they had to arrange it at another hospital. So

:41:30. > :41:36.we were waiting around for that, but obviously, we were quite panicked at

:41:37. > :41:38.that time. Your baby was in one hospital while you're rushed to

:41:39. > :41:44.another. Very stressful. Very stressful. Yeah, very, very

:41:45. > :41:50.stressful. Just to go from like the extreme high to then feeling like

:41:51. > :41:55.very scared suddenly was a real come down I have to say. So it was a clot

:41:56. > :41:59.on your spine. Yeah. And the decision was that you needed surgery

:42:00. > :42:02.to remove it? They told me if they did find it was a clot they would

:42:03. > :42:08.operate straightaway. So they did that. Zl that's what they did, yeah.

:42:09. > :42:11.And when you woke up from that surgery, what were you thinking

:42:12. > :42:15.would be the outcome? We were hoping in our head that would mean that I

:42:16. > :42:21.would, my legs would start moving and I would get a feeling and that

:42:22. > :42:25.would be solving the problem, but I still couldn't feel anything. The

:42:26. > :42:31.next couple of days after that, nothing was changing and you know

:42:32. > :42:38.then it started becoming real that, you know, this was going to be, this

:42:39. > :42:43.might be a long-term thing now. That's when paralysis, the word

:42:44. > :42:47.paralysis came into the conversation because up until that point we

:42:48. > :42:54.hadn't really understood the consequence of bruising or blood

:42:55. > :42:58.clot or hem tomb ma, we didn't equate them with paralysis. When you

:42:59. > :43:06.first heard the word paralysis being used, what did you think? How did

:43:07. > :43:10.you process that? I couldn't even say the word myself or probably six

:43:11. > :43:15.weeks or something, I just couldn't, I was blocking it out. I was just

:43:16. > :43:18.focussing on day by day trying to think that something is going to

:43:19. > :43:24.change. Something is going to change. I did think I was -- I

:43:25. > :43:31.didn't think I was coping about it at all. I was in denial maybe. My

:43:32. > :43:37.main focus, I wasn't with my baby. It was so far removed from what it

:43:38. > :43:41.should have been. We should have been taking her home and looking

:43:42. > :43:45.after her. I couldn't do that. I couldn't process it. All I was

:43:46. > :43:51.thinking, I wasn't with my baby. I just remember that day when Adam

:43:52. > :43:59.said I'm bringing her in today. Anticipation and obviously we were

:44:00. > :44:04.both in tears. It was a bit like because we hadn't really spent that

:44:05. > :44:07.much time with her on the first day, so being reunited with someone you

:44:08. > :44:11.have not seen for a long time. I felt like I had not seen her for a

:44:12. > :44:17.lifetime. The biggest challenge of that whole period, it wasn't just I

:44:18. > :44:23.was looking after the baby, I was trying to help her as much as I

:44:24. > :44:28.could, going into the hospital and having sleepless nights, it was a

:44:29. > :44:32.sleepless period and with all the emotional stuff as well. You spent

:44:33. > :44:35.several months in hospital. Yeah. Recovering from that surgery and

:44:36. > :44:41.receiving treatment for the paralysis. Seeing your baby when you

:44:42. > :44:47.or your parents would bring her in. How did you cope during that time? I

:44:48. > :44:53.mean, I was pretty depressed to be honest. When I moved to a rehab

:44:54. > :44:58.unit, I mean at first when we got our place there, it was a hope. We

:44:59. > :45:04.thought we'd get there and there would be progress and maybe I'd make

:45:05. > :45:08.some recovery, but you know, the centres are set-up to sort of get

:45:09. > :45:14.you out and get you back to living, but in a wheelchair and once I

:45:15. > :45:19.realised that, you know, I was really depressed and I just used to

:45:20. > :45:22.wait until my daughter was brought in and those used to be those few

:45:23. > :45:25.hours of happiness with her, but when she would leave, it was

:45:26. > :45:38.heartbreak again. Being left there and not with her.

:45:39. > :45:52.UK home at Christmas, having given birth in August. What did the tell

:45:53. > :45:55.you about your recovery? The Dodlek to give you too many indications,

:45:56. > :46:03.and I was led to believe that I was to focus on life in a wheelchair.

:46:04. > :46:12.They also give you this assessment of your spinal-cord injury, and she

:46:13. > :46:17.had complete paralysis, which the long-term prognosis statistically is

:46:18. > :46:22.that you are in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, no more walking.

:46:23. > :46:30.You have been researching possible treatments? Therapies. Thanks to

:46:31. > :46:34.Google or any online search engine, there is a lot of stuff out, and

:46:35. > :46:39.people can make a certain degree of recovery, even if not what she had

:46:40. > :46:43.before, just to be able to take a few steps, things are possible. And

:46:44. > :46:47.you are having hours of physio each day at the moment. I am doing hours

:46:48. > :46:53.of physio, not all with a physiotherapist. I do a couple of

:46:54. > :46:57.hours with the physio, but we do a lot of stuff with equipment at home.

:46:58. > :47:01.And do you feel that all that is helping? Definitely. And what

:47:02. > :47:04.progress do you think you have made? I went from having no movement at

:47:05. > :47:12.all to having movement back in my quads, hamstrings and hip flexes, so

:47:13. > :47:17.it means I have a bike, that when I started using it, I had to be

:47:18. > :47:19.strapped in, it was a passive movement, whereas now I can peddle

:47:20. > :47:24.independently controlling with my legs, so there is a huge amount of

:47:25. > :47:30.improvement that just doesn't translate into functional movement.

:47:31. > :47:36.What is your goal, then? My goal is to be able to stand up. Even if I'm

:47:37. > :47:40.using a frame at the beginning, the therapy in Germany, that is what

:47:41. > :47:44.they focus on, being in a standing, upright position and forcing those

:47:45. > :47:49.movements again and again until your body remembers how to do it, in a

:47:50. > :47:52.way. Chelsea at Westminster Hospital have carried out a serious incident

:47:53. > :47:57.review, and found that there were three missed opportunities on the

:47:58. > :48:00.day after you had given birth to Amelie when they could've acted on

:48:01. > :48:04.what you were saying to them, the sensation was not coming back to

:48:05. > :48:10.your legs. When you first realise that, what did you think? I felt

:48:11. > :48:16.very let down, actually, because I was saying, so mini times, to

:48:17. > :48:24.everybody that was around, come to check on Amelie, that this wasn't,

:48:25. > :48:28.nobody was escalating my concerns. Obviously if it had been acted upon

:48:29. > :48:33.earlier, maybe things would have turned out differently. Following

:48:34. > :48:35.that serious incident review, your solicitors are now carrying out

:48:36. > :48:41.investigations to see of those delays by medical staff led to your

:48:42. > :48:47.paralysis. What you want from the hospital? If that turns out to be

:48:48. > :48:56.what has happened, I guess our idea of compensation is to help fund my

:48:57. > :48:58.recovery, nothing else. A lot of people don't realise that

:48:59. > :49:03.spinal-cord injury extremely expensive. All of this physiotherapy

:49:04. > :49:08.and equipment costs of huge amount, so in order for her to return to

:49:09. > :49:14.normality, it requires a great deal of money. They gave us a statement

:49:15. > :49:18.which says, this was a very complex, rare and tragic case and we offer

:49:19. > :49:24.our sincere condolences to Mrs Jethro and her family. We have

:49:25. > :49:29.reviewed our procedures for post-anaesthetic monitoring and

:49:30. > :49:32.rapid transfer for imaging technology, and we can't comment

:49:33. > :49:37.further as this case is subject to legal proceedings. They have changed

:49:38. > :49:44.certain procedures, that is something, I suppose? Yes. One thing

:49:45. > :49:48.we want to mention here is that as they say themselves, and haematoma,

:49:49. > :49:52.not to scare people, it is an extremely rare thing to happen, so

:49:53. > :49:56.if you are going to have an epidural, I don't think you should

:49:57. > :50:00.be afraid of having a haematoma, and the other thing to mention is, even

:50:01. > :50:06.if you do, it doesn't necessarily lead to paralysis. Well, not a

:50:07. > :50:10.long-term paralysis. Una fundraising to try to get treatment at a

:50:11. > :50:15.specialist clinic in Germany. The idea is that you would go there for

:50:16. > :50:19.three months, and at the end of that, potentially you might be able

:50:20. > :50:25.to walk using a frame? I went for an assessment last October, and it was

:50:26. > :50:28.a great centre, they were really enthusiastic, and they did an

:50:29. > :50:31.assessment on me, and that is what they said, that they are definitely

:50:32. > :50:38.hopeful that that could be achieved in the three months. How much money

:50:39. > :50:44.do you need to raise? For the initial three months, about ?40,000.

:50:45. > :50:49.But hopefully with longer stays, you could progress to potentially

:50:50. > :50:53.hands-free walking. Nothing is guaranteed in the world, spinal-cord

:50:54. > :51:00.injuries, but that type of intensive therapy will definitely maximise

:51:01. > :51:04.your gains. In my head it went from our hope to this is going to happen,

:51:05. > :51:09.I am going to walk again, and this is what I feel every day, however

:51:10. > :51:13.long it takes, I really believe that now. I wish you all the very best.

:51:14. > :51:21.Thank you very much for talking to us.

:51:22. > :51:30.British Cycling has suspended its top boss over claims

:51:31. > :51:32.he made derogatery remarks to several athletes.

:51:33. > :51:34.Shane Sutton is accused of telling Olympic cyclist Jess Varnish

:51:35. > :51:37.that she should "go and have a baby" after her contract was not renewed,

:51:38. > :51:39.and accused of calling members of the paralympic

:51:40. > :51:50.With us now is one of Britain's most decorated

:51:51. > :51:59.What did he say to you? British cycling and I have had talks in the

:52:00. > :52:04.past, and we have resolved our differences, so I won't say anything

:52:05. > :52:14.directly about myself. But the whole thing surrounding Shane and his...

:52:15. > :52:20.It is something that is well-known in that environment, it is a new

:52:21. > :52:25.thing. So I am a little bit surprised that it has come out quite

:52:26. > :52:31.like this, but I thought it was important that I said something in

:52:32. > :52:36.support of Jess. Shane Sutton has denied the claims, it is important

:52:37. > :52:39.to say that. What has he called you in the past, what have you heard him

:52:40. > :52:44.call other athletes in the past, and you believe he said to Jess Varnish,

:52:45. > :52:49.go and have a baby? I can't say whether or not he said that, I

:52:50. > :52:57.wasn't there. But I would believe Jess over that, it sounds a similar

:52:58. > :53:05.type of thing, similar things that were said. I think sometimes things

:53:06. > :53:09.are said in fun and sometimes things are said not been fun, and it is

:53:10. > :53:14.probably more to do with the intent behind the things that is what

:53:15. > :53:20.hurts, I suppose. Jess Varnish described in her statement released

:53:21. > :53:26.overnight a culture of fear in British cycling. Is that true? Yes,

:53:27. > :53:35.I would think that is certainly a phrase that gets used quite a lot to

:53:36. > :53:42.describe the environment there. You do here from a lot of riders that

:53:43. > :53:47.they don't feel they can speak out at certain times. They just feel it

:53:48. > :53:52.will affect their selection chances or their chances of staying on the

:53:53. > :53:56.team, so it is a very difficult environment anyway, because

:53:57. > :54:00.obviously people like Shane, they have to make very difficult choices

:54:01. > :54:04.a lot of the time, and not everyone is going to agree with those

:54:05. > :54:10.choices. But I think there are ways you can do it, and ways that you

:54:11. > :54:14.shouldn't do it. Thank you for talking to us, Darren. Talking about

:54:15. > :54:18.Shane Sutton of the comments he is alleged to have made. As we said,

:54:19. > :54:21.Shane Sutton denies the allegations, but he has been suspended in the

:54:22. > :54:25.meantime by British cycling while the investigation is carried out.

:54:26. > :54:31.Hillsborough families are picture of dignity in the face of such awful

:54:32. > :54:36.treatment. I am crying watching their awful stories. That tweet is

:54:37. > :54:47.from Helen, just one that we have had this morning, one of many about

:54:48. > :54:50.the 96 Liverpool fans who died in April 1989, and the inquest that has

:54:51. > :54:53.found that they were unlawfully killed. Police officers have found

:54:54. > :54:57.to be negligent in the handling of the event, and there have been calls

:54:58. > :55:06.for prosecution against them. Earlier, we spoke to Becky Shah, who

:55:07. > :55:10.was a teenager when her mother, Inger, was killed at Hillsborough.

:55:11. > :55:17.Hillsborough has been a part of my life, it has been part of my life

:55:18. > :55:21.for over half of my life. I don't figure when you have truth and

:55:22. > :55:25.justice on your side in a so-called democratic and advanced

:55:26. > :55:32.industrialised country, that that should be the case, I should think

:55:33. > :55:36.it is a disgrace that it has taken this long. There are people who are

:55:37. > :55:40.no longer here, families and survivors who the toll has been too

:55:41. > :55:44.much, they have become physically ill or mentally ill and taken their

:55:45. > :55:46.own lives because of what they have been through with Hillsborough,

:55:47. > :55:52.because of all the injustice and all the smearing that we have had to

:55:53. > :55:59.endure for almost three decades. Why do you think it has taken so long? I

:56:00. > :56:04.think Hillsborough is not an isolated case. If you look at Bloody

:56:05. > :56:13.Sunday, you look at Orgreave and the minors' strikes, there are lots of

:56:14. > :56:17.deaths in custody, where people have lost loved ones, and nobody is ever

:56:18. > :56:20.held accountable, no police officer, no one in authority has ever been

:56:21. > :56:26.held accountable, and I think it is institutional. I think we have a

:56:27. > :56:29.culture where, you know, after Stephen Lawrence and obviously

:56:30. > :56:34.before Stephen Lawrence, we still do have institutional racism in the

:56:35. > :56:39.police, and I think there is a culture of institutional denial,

:56:40. > :56:44.where they just don't seem to be able to take any accountability

:56:45. > :56:49.whatsoever. We are all subject to the law, but they seem to be above

:56:50. > :56:52.the law, and that needs to change. And that I think has to be the

:56:53. > :56:57.legacy of Hillsborough going forward. This must never, ever be

:56:58. > :57:02.allowed to happen again, and we need more accountability and more

:57:03. > :57:06.transparency with the police and people in authority in this country.

:57:07. > :57:13.Becky Shah. After the inquest, some of the Hillsborough families sighing

:57:14. > :57:17.with relief and jubilation outside court. We will hear that in a

:57:18. > :57:25.moment. Let me read some of your many messages. You message as we

:57:26. > :57:28.were interviewing Becky, and also Barry Devonside, who lost his

:57:29. > :57:32.18-year-old son Christopher that day. Chris says, feeling emotional

:57:33. > :57:37.watching the coverage, my heart breaks for those families. Paul, my

:57:38. > :57:42.heart goes out to all those who lost loved ones in the catastrophe. Dick

:57:43. > :57:48.has texted this, at last, justice for the 96 after 27 years. Ross,

:57:49. > :57:56.justice for the 96 excavation mark time for the police officers who

:57:57. > :58:00.were responsible to be held accountable for their actions. Thank

:58:01. > :58:03.you for those, and for watching today.

:58:04. > :58:12.# Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart

:58:13. > :58:20.# And you'll never # Walk alone

:58:21. > :58:24.# You will never walk alone # Walk on, walk on, with hope in

:58:25. > :58:35.your heart # And you'll all never walk alone

:58:36. > :58:45.# You'll walk alone... CHEERING

:58:46. > :58:53.Good morning. The madness of the weather continues apace, that is the

:58:54. > :58:55.balance, the showers, a lot of sunshine.