28/04/2016

:00:07. > :00:19.Police Officers who worked for South Yorkshire Police are told

:00:20. > :00:23.they "did a good job" in the 1980s, despite the damning criticism

:00:24. > :00:27.of them in the Hillsborough inquests.

:00:28. > :00:35.Thousands attended a vigil in Liverpool last night as pressure

:00:36. > :00:37.mounts for a fundamental shake-up of the South Yorkshire force.

:00:38. > :00:48.They're some of the most vulnerable

:00:49. > :00:50.children in the country, so why is the mental

:00:51. > :00:52.health of kids in care not being looked after properly?

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:01:57. > :02:01.a good job" in the 1980s, despite the damning criticism of

:02:02. > :02:06.The officers have been praised as dedicated,

:02:07. > :02:10.Those remarks are from a group supporting retired

:02:11. > :02:15.officers, and they've accidentally been made public.

:02:16. > :02:17.The Chief Constable was suspended yesterday because of the approach

:02:18. > :02:37.Tens of thousands filled the centre of Liverpool to remember the 96,

:02:38. > :02:39.joining together in the anthem they sing in their honour.

:02:40. > :02:42.Then the news filtered through that the Chief Constable

:02:43. > :02:44.of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton, had been suspended.

:02:45. > :02:52.Let's hope that's only the beginning of what is going to be

:02:53. > :02:55.done, because all of you alongside all of us have had 27 years

:02:56. > :02:59.Let's hope they're getting theirs now.

:03:00. > :03:07.Throughout the two-year inquest, lawyers for South Yorkshire police

:03:08. > :03:09.repeatedly suggested the Liverpool fans were partly

:03:10. > :03:16.David Crompton was suspended by the Police and Crime Commissioner

:03:17. > :03:22.of the force, who said there had been an erosion of trust.

:03:23. > :03:25.The Chief Constable is the public face of South Yorkshire Police

:03:26. > :03:30.Therefore, if there is a draining away of confidence in the chief

:03:31. > :03:34.Two criminal investigations into South Yorkshire Police have

:03:35. > :03:43.One into manslaughter and another possible offences on that day

:03:44. > :03:47.at Hillsborough, the 15th of April 1989.

:03:48. > :03:51.The other is examining allegations of a police cover-up afterwards.

:03:52. > :03:54.It's taken 27 years for the families to hear their loved ones

:03:55. > :03:59.were unlawfully killed, and they won't stop their fight

:04:00. > :04:01.until they feel those responsible have been brought to justice.

:04:02. > :04:11.Our correspondent Dan Johnson is outside the South Yorkshire Police

:04:12. > :04:15.Fresh controversy this morning over comments made by a retired member

:04:16. > :04:30.This force just cannot escape the scandals and failures of its past.

:04:31. > :04:34.That is completely overshadowing the current day force, and it has cost

:04:35. > :04:38.the job of the Chief Constable at least, who was suspended from duty

:04:39. > :04:42.yesterday. It is the Deputy Chief Constable who will be leading this

:04:43. > :04:45.force when she arrives for work this morning, and the force has to

:04:46. > :04:49.somehow try to rebuild and move on from everything that has gone on,

:04:50. > :04:52.because there are still officers out on the streets who have to do the

:04:53. > :04:56.job will protect people in South Yorkshire. No doubt their morale has

:04:57. > :05:01.suffered across the force has taken such a battering. It is the response

:05:02. > :05:05.of some of these historical failings that is still having such an impact,

:05:06. > :05:11.and this fresh controversy linking to comments that were posted by

:05:12. > :05:16.mistake on the website of the South Yorkshire retired police officers

:05:17. > :05:19.Association. There was a press statement posted there yesterday, a

:05:20. > :05:24.public statement which sent out condolences to the Hillsborough

:05:25. > :05:26.families in the aftermath of the inquest conclusions, and said that

:05:27. > :05:31.the association stood by those verdicts. But below that, there was

:05:32. > :05:37.another posting which was entitled, it was a bad day, and it appears

:05:38. > :05:41.this was only supposed to be circulated between retired police

:05:42. > :05:47.officers. In that posting, the secretary of the Association, wrote,

:05:48. > :05:51.we tried to remain dignified amongst all the bile and hatred directed

:05:52. > :05:56.towards South Yorkshire Police and those of us who served in the 80s.

:05:57. > :06:00.After all that transpired yesterday, I worked in a great police force, it

:06:01. > :06:04.is my belief, with fantastic people who did extraordinary things. He

:06:05. > :06:09.goes on to say he is extremely proud to be an ex-South Yorkshire cop, and

:06:10. > :06:15.will hold his head up high. He goes through the challenges that the

:06:16. > :06:18.force faces, the steel strike, the miners dispute, Hillsborough, and he

:06:19. > :06:23.says yes, mistakes were made, and we would all like to turn the clock

:06:24. > :06:26.back, but he said beyond those headlines, the people of South

:06:27. > :06:32.Yorkshire would served by dedicated police officers. He says you will be

:06:33. > :06:36.feeling angry and disheartened, but we did a good job, we all did. These

:06:37. > :06:44.comments have caused some hurt amongst Hillsborough families. Last

:06:45. > :06:50.night, we got reaction from Barry Devonside, whose son Christopher

:06:51. > :06:54.died in the disaster. There were 200 officers walking around, aimlessly,

:06:55. > :06:59.no direction, no leadership. And when people were trying to climb out

:07:00. > :07:07.of pens three and pen four, police officers were pushing them back in,

:07:08. > :07:11.so I don't accept that. The officer who made that posting has now taken

:07:12. > :07:14.the comments down and says they were never intended for public

:07:15. > :07:17.consumption and he never meant to cause offence, it is another example

:07:18. > :07:21.of how this force is struggling to move on from its past. There are

:07:22. > :07:24.even questions about whether the force should continue to exist in

:07:25. > :07:30.the future. Dan, thank you very much indeed.

:07:31. > :07:33.Well, more on that in a few minutes, but first here's Annita

:07:34. > :07:35.in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news.

:07:36. > :07:44.The Labour Party has a serious problem with anti-Semitism,

:07:45. > :07:47.according to one of its most high profile peers.

:07:48. > :07:50.following the suspension of the Labour MP, Naz Shah,

:07:51. > :07:52.for comments she made about Israel before she entered Parliament.

:07:53. > :07:55.She has apologised, but the peer said people were increasingly

:07:56. > :07:57.using attacks on Israel as a way of showing their hatred

:07:58. > :08:05.I think it just shows such ignorance, and the tweets and

:08:06. > :08:09.comments she made on Hitler, I just begin to almost scratch my head in

:08:10. > :08:13.despair as to how people like this can enter our Parliament. Lord

:08:14. > :08:15.Leavy. A group of economists will say today

:08:16. > :08:19.that leaving the European Union would benefit Britain's

:08:20. > :08:22.financial services sector and could lead to a fall

:08:23. > :08:24.in unemployment. the Prime Minister and the former

:08:25. > :08:28.leader of the TUC, Sir Brendan Barber, have set

:08:29. > :08:30.aside their political differences to write an article

:08:31. > :08:32.for the Guardian, arguing the case Smokers should be encouraged

:08:33. > :08:36.to switch to e-cigarettes to help them quit, according to a report

:08:37. > :08:39.by the Royal College of Physicans. It says its findings lay to rest

:08:40. > :08:42.nearly all the concerns Here's our health correspondent,

:08:43. > :08:57.Adam Brimelow. The growing popularity

:08:58. > :08:59.of e-cigarettes has prompted debate about their safety and potential

:09:00. > :09:01.to help people quit tobacco smoking and the risk they may

:09:02. > :09:04.encourage some to take it up. The Royal College of Physicians

:09:05. > :09:06.concludes the impact so far has been positive,

:09:07. > :09:08.they have helped many thousands to quit and the switch

:09:09. > :09:11.to vaping is a dramatic step The report says e-cigarettes are not

:09:12. > :09:14.a gateway to smoking. In the UK they are used mostly

:09:15. > :09:17.by current or former It acknowledges harm

:09:18. > :09:20.from long-term use is possible, but is likely to be very small

:09:21. > :09:23.and it says they will become safer We have so far seen a very positive

:09:24. > :09:29.development and in particular have helped many thousands

:09:30. > :09:31.of smokers to quit smoking. So this is an opportunity

:09:32. > :09:34.that we should be seizing for public health and managing,

:09:35. > :09:41.rather than trying to snuff out. Welcoming the report,

:09:42. > :09:47.the Department of Health in England said there were now more

:09:48. > :09:49.than a million people who have completely replaced

:09:50. > :09:51.smoking with e-cigarettes. But some public health experts

:09:52. > :09:53.remain cautious and say more research is needed

:09:54. > :09:58.to understand the risks. A group of MPs says many

:09:59. > :10:01.children in care are falling through the cracks when it comes

:10:02. > :10:04.to their mental health. The education select committee found

:10:05. > :10:06.that almost half of children who are looked after by local

:10:07. > :10:08.authorities or in foster care have a diagnosable

:10:09. > :10:10.mental health disorder. The MPs say children

:10:11. > :10:13.in care are four times more likely than their peers

:10:14. > :10:23.to have a mental health condition. Profits at Facebook have tripled

:10:24. > :10:31.in the first quarter of 2016, compared to a year ago,

:10:32. > :10:33.rising to more than Most of the revenues came

:10:34. > :10:45.from a boom in advertising The social networkers continued to

:10:46. > :10:49.grow, and 1.65 billion people are logging on at least once a month,

:10:50. > :10:52.that is 200 million more people than time last year.

:10:53. > :10:55.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:10:56. > :11:08.Back to you, Norman. Annita, thank you so much.

:11:09. > :11:23.Should the Labour Party Stamp Act anti-Semitism? Some feel that it

:11:24. > :11:28.should. Do get in touch with the usual methods.

:11:29. > :11:32.Sport now, and more crisis in British Cycling this morning.

:11:33. > :11:35.Good morning. The crisis at British Cycling has

:11:36. > :11:37.deepened since we covered The suspended technical director

:11:38. > :11:41.Shane Sutton has now resigned, he says to take any distraction away

:11:42. > :11:44.from the team as they prepare UK Sport has also asked

:11:45. > :11:48.the organisation to investigate whether official TeamGB kit,

:11:49. > :11:51.paid for by National Lottery funds - including a high-performance bike -

:11:52. > :11:54.is being sold online for profit. Well, Sutton has been accused

:11:55. > :11:57.of making sexist comments and also being highly offensive

:11:58. > :11:59.in the terms he used to describe He denies the specific claims

:12:00. > :12:06.against him and says he will co-operate with an independent

:12:07. > :12:16.review to examine the culture It is really, really important that

:12:17. > :12:20.we have this independent review so that anybody who has had those

:12:21. > :12:26.experiences, they get a chance to talk to an independent panel, and we

:12:27. > :12:33.can fully investigate that. It is not many people's experience of

:12:34. > :12:37.British Cycling, but it should be investigated independently? Is it

:12:38. > :12:43.your experience? Not at all. So are you surprised? I am, but that is why

:12:44. > :12:45.we need an independent panel to investigate this, we need to look at

:12:46. > :12:48.these allegations. Ian Drake talking to our

:12:49. > :12:53.sports editor Dan Roan. You know we had Vladimir Klitchsko

:12:54. > :12:59.doing the rounds here yesterday, thankfully we didn't have Tyson Fury

:13:00. > :13:03.because we might have seen this. The

:13:04. > :13:04.World heavyweight Champion showed went head to head to promote

:13:05. > :13:10.their rematch in Manchester in July. Fury goaded Klitschko by saying how

:13:11. > :13:13.the Ukrainian lost to a fat man six months ago but he can beat him again

:13:14. > :13:31.in any kind of shape although he did I am naturally fit. I could do 12

:13:32. > :13:36.rounds when I weigh 20 stone, fat pig, it is not about how hard you

:13:37. > :13:43.train, it is the natural energy you have got. I could do ten rounds

:13:44. > :13:47.right now. I ran six miles yesterday afternoon, and then I did one hour

:13:48. > :13:50.on the cross trainer and one hour on a bike, so I can't be that unfit,

:13:51. > :13:54.and I have only just started training!

:13:55. > :13:57.We had a goal in the second of the Champions League semifinals

:13:58. > :14:01.Atletico Madrid have a 1-0 lead against

:14:02. > :14:04.Bayern Munich ahead of the second leg in Germany next week .

:14:05. > :14:06.It was a terrific solo effort from Saul.

:14:07. > :14:09.Remember Manchester City and Real Madrid drew 0-0

:14:10. > :14:17.Champion John Higgins to reach his first semifinal

:14:18. > :14:20.at the World Snooker Championship in 23 years.

:14:21. > :14:24.He beat his good friend and compatriot 13 frames to 11

:14:25. > :14:33.The other semifinal will be between Marco Fu and world number

:14:34. > :14:41.Fu was 9-1 up against Barry Hawkins but held on to win 13-11 as well.

:14:42. > :14:44.Both semifinals will be on BBC Two and across the BBC,

:14:45. > :14:46.the first of them starts at one this afternoon

:14:47. > :14:51.That's all your sport for now, I'll be back

:14:52. > :15:01.The inquest sat for over two years and whilst the families of the 96

:15:02. > :15:04.Hillsborough victims celebrated the conclusions, the focus is now

:15:05. > :15:08.Despite the damning criticism of the force, a group representing

:15:09. > :15:11.retired officers in South Yorkshire has told its members they should be

:15:12. > :15:15.proud of their work during the 1980s.

:15:16. > :15:17.The message was made public accidentally and then withdrawn.

:15:18. > :15:19.The current Chief Constable was suspended yesterday and some

:15:20. > :15:24.are calling for the force to be broken up.

:15:25. > :15:26.30,000 people attended a vigil in Liverpool last night

:15:27. > :15:28.in memory of those who died in the Hillsborough

:15:29. > :15:35.There were emotional scenes as the crowd joined together

:15:36. > :15:53.# When you walk through the storm # Hold your head up high

:15:54. > :16:09.# And don't be afraid of the dark # At the end of the storm

:16:10. > :16:19.# There's a golden sky # And the sweet silver

:16:20. > :16:45.# Walk on through the wind # Walk on through the rain

:16:46. > :17:03.# Though your dreams # Be tossed and blown

:17:04. > :17:20.# Walk on walk on # With hope in your heart

:17:21. > :17:47.# And you'll never walk alone # You'll never walk alone #.

:17:48. > :17:53.Louise Brookes lost her 26-year-old brother Andrew at Hillsborough.

:17:54. > :18:03.Louise, I imagine with the inquest verdict comic you had hoped to have

:18:04. > :18:08.reached the end of the road and yet it seems not, with very serious

:18:09. > :18:12.questions Navas in South Yorkshire Police. Let me ask you first, what

:18:13. > :18:16.was your feeling when you heard this morning about that posed by the

:18:17. > :18:21.retired officer saying they should be proud because they had done a

:18:22. > :18:29.good job? I am not surprised at all with their attitude. This just goes

:18:30. > :18:35.to prove what kind of people us families and the survivors have been

:18:36. > :18:45.up against for the last 27 years. Let me make myself perfectly clear.

:18:46. > :18:52.The 96, and the survivors and us families are really the victim of a

:18:53. > :19:03.crime. And these officers, the minority of the police officers, did

:19:04. > :19:06.help, but the majority of the officers that they were too busy

:19:07. > :19:12.holding hands across the football pitch. Some of them were looking in

:19:13. > :19:21.the pens and literally turned away, some were putting people back in the

:19:22. > :19:30.pens. Not only that, they carried on by lying, covering up, trying to

:19:31. > :19:37.blame the 96 and the survivors, but also accusing us families and the

:19:38. > :19:43.campaigners of actually lying. Now, as we know, there have been

:19:44. > :19:47.statements edited, amended, and I just think it is absolutely

:19:48. > :19:52.disgraceful that in a country like this where both myself and Andrew

:19:53. > :19:56.were brought up to respect the police, and we were taught that if

:19:57. > :20:03.we were in any trouble at all that the police were there to help us.

:20:04. > :20:06.Let me ask you this, Louise, if I may, a lot of people watching might

:20:07. > :20:11.have thought that the police were disgrace. Although that was a long

:20:12. > :20:15.time ago. Surely the key question now is, is that historic, whether

:20:16. > :20:20.the South Yorkshire Police force has changed or whether those attitudes

:20:21. > :20:26.are still endemic in the Force? Obviously I cannot speak for the

:20:27. > :20:33.other officers within the force. I can only speak in relation to the

:20:34. > :20:37.Chief Constable, and obviously by his actions, recently, and even when

:20:38. > :20:43.he accused usual Mac families and campaigners of lying,... Should he

:20:44. > :20:49.be sacked because he's been suspended. I do think so. Another

:20:50. > :20:55.thing I want to make clear is, not one police officer ever lost one

:20:56. > :21:01.day's pay due to Hillsborough. And as we know some of these high

:21:02. > :21:06.ranking officers as well as the PC sergeants, inspectors, they have

:21:07. > :21:12.retired on full pensions. My father had in breakdown and he never

:21:13. > :21:17.returned to work. And then my father had to live on what was classed as

:21:18. > :21:24.half a pension. And we did absolutely nothing wrong. The 96,

:21:25. > :21:31.our families, survivors, we did absolutely nothing wrong! These

:21:32. > :21:40.offices are living their lives, they have no shame, they just don't care,

:21:41. > :21:46.they are covering themselves constantly. And I really believe,

:21:47. > :21:50.that when you tell a Lie, and tell that life was so long you start

:21:51. > :21:57.believing it is the truth. Where will this end? Because potentially

:21:58. > :22:01.it could end in criminal charges, it could end with the disbanding of the

:22:02. > :22:08.South Yorkshire force. From your point of view what do you want to be

:22:09. > :22:11.the potential outcome -- the eventual outcome? I would like

:22:12. > :22:19.certain people to go to prison because in my opinion, criminal

:22:20. > :22:24.offences have occurred, also, if you think about South Yorkshire Police,

:22:25. > :22:31.I have never known a police force with such a bad reputation in my

:22:32. > :22:37.life. The miners strike, Hillsborough, Rotherham... It's just

:22:38. > :22:42.absolutely despicable. The country we live in, it shouldn't be

:22:43. > :22:48.happening in a country like this. It just should not. In the House of

:22:49. > :22:53.Commons yesterday Andy Burnham was saying that it wasn't just the

:22:54. > :22:56.police. There was a culture in the media, the establishment,

:22:57. > :23:01.Parliament. Do we now live in a different country, or are those

:23:02. > :23:06.attitudes in the press and amongst politicians that allowed this

:23:07. > :23:13.cover-up to happen still exist? I still think cover-ups go on but it

:23:14. > :23:18.is a bit more difficult to cover up. A prime example with the police for

:23:19. > :23:25.instance is, back in the 1980s, when people were interviewed, it was all

:23:26. > :23:31.done by witness statement and was no record of interviews. That has

:23:32. > :23:37.changed for the better. There are a minority of people who think they

:23:38. > :23:48.are above the law. And they think they can do things all get away with

:23:49. > :23:55.it. I think one thing is that your past will always catch up with you.

:23:56. > :23:59.And these people need to be accountable for their actions, or

:24:00. > :24:03.that lack of actions that day which sent 96 innocent people to their

:24:04. > :24:08.graves. For many people watching, one of the most extraordinary things

:24:09. > :24:17.about your story is the persistence and determination to keep going

:24:18. > :24:20.through those long years, through the odds against you, whether ever

:24:21. > :24:30.times when you thought, we'll have move on? Absolutely not. I don't

:24:31. > :24:33.know one single person within the families who ever thought that, who

:24:34. > :24:39.ever said that. Us Hillsborough families come from all over the

:24:40. > :24:46.country, from different backgrounds, different personalities, but we have

:24:47. > :24:50.such a unique bond, I am absolutely proud of every single family member,

:24:51. > :24:56.everything one of them. And do you know what, I would not have wanted

:24:57. > :25:03.to have fought this battle with any other 95 families. I am so proud of

:25:04. > :25:07.of them. We heard about how bruising and painful the inquest process was

:25:08. > :25:11.when the police almost seemed to disown their previous apology, again

:25:12. > :25:21.putting forward the stories about the behaviour of the fans. How

:25:22. > :25:27.difficult was that? Personally, for me, it is difficult but when you

:25:28. > :25:32.have been fighting, fighting these people for 27 years, sadly, you get

:25:33. > :25:37.used to it. Nothing shocks us Hillsborough families any more. And

:25:38. > :25:49.that is the sad thing about it. We are just used to it. We have done

:25:50. > :25:56.absolutely nothing wrong. The 96 survivors did absolutely nothing

:25:57. > :25:59.wrong. This is my personal opinion. This is what goes through my mind, I

:26:00. > :26:08.actually wonder if there is anything more sinister behind Hillsborough

:26:09. > :26:12.because I don't understand why people are so determined for the

:26:13. > :26:20.truth not to come out. I find that very, very difficult. We've had

:26:21. > :26:23.investigations in the past into different things like the Jimmy

:26:24. > :26:31.Savile case. And the truth has come out. But for some reason, people do

:26:32. > :26:37.not want the full truth. There have been suggestions about the

:26:38. > :26:41.Freemasons. Whether that had some sort of influence, do you think that

:26:42. > :26:46.was part of it? I definitely believe that. That is my personal opinion, I

:26:47. > :26:53.cannot speak for anyone else, any other families, that is my opinion.

:26:54. > :26:58.Louise, thank you so much, we really appreciate this. Thank you. An

:26:59. > :27:01.e-mail from Derek. He says, I think the police should be accountable for

:27:02. > :27:05.what happened at Hillsborough but what good is it in suspending the

:27:06. > :27:09.Chief Constable of South Yorkshire? He had nothing to do with

:27:10. > :27:16.Hillsborough. It is those who were involved that should be tried. One

:27:17. > :27:20.tweet says that South Yorkshire Police are a disgrace with lies and

:27:21. > :27:25.covering up and nothing to be proud of. A text message from Allison, can

:27:26. > :27:28.someone say publicly that many of the officers serving in the South

:27:29. > :27:32.Yorkshire Police to date have nothing to do with this disaster.

:27:33. > :27:37.Many of them were not born of them. They are not the ones rotten to the

:27:38. > :27:41.core. How can they do their jobs now with all this hatred towards their

:27:42. > :27:45.force? And e-mail message from Robert, making one mistake doesn't

:27:46. > :27:51.make you bad at your job. Also you can't take an incident in isolation.

:27:52. > :27:55.There was a lot of bad behaviour by football hooligans at the time of

:27:56. > :27:59.Hillsborough and this cannot but influence the behaviour of police.

:28:00. > :28:03.That is not to excuse the police but neither should they take all the

:28:04. > :28:09.blame. Tweet from Russell, Hillsborough shows a culture of

:28:10. > :28:16.cover-up and deceit does exist. Another area of concern is the

:28:17. > :28:20.activities of social services. Still to come. Almost half of children in

:28:21. > :28:25.care or living with foster parents have a mental health disorder. We

:28:26. > :28:30.will hear some of their stories and talk to people trying to make a

:28:31. > :28:35.difference. And should expats who have lived outside the UK figures be

:28:36. > :28:38.allowed to vote in the EU referendum? We'll bring you the

:28:39. > :28:45.latest on a court judgment to decide if they can.

:28:46. > :28:59.Well, more on that in a few minutes -- but first here's Annita

:29:00. > :29:02.in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news.

:29:03. > :29:04.The Labour Party has a serious problem with anti-semitism,

:29:05. > :29:06.according to one of its most high profile peers.

:29:07. > :29:08.Lord Levy was speaking following the suspension

:29:09. > :29:11.of the Labour MP, Naz Shah, for comments she made about Israel

:29:12. > :29:14.She has apologised, but the peer said people were increasingly

:29:15. > :29:17.using attacks on Israel as a way of showing their hatred

:29:18. > :29:21.A group of economists will say today that leaving the European Union

:29:22. > :29:23.would benefit Britain's financial services sector - and could lead

:29:24. > :29:26.Meanwhile, the Prime Minister and the former

:29:27. > :29:28.leader of the TUC, Sir Brendan Barber, have set

:29:29. > :29:30.aside their political differences to write an article

:29:31. > :29:36.for the Guardian, arguing the case for staying IN the European Union.

:29:37. > :29:39.A group of MPs says many children in care are falling

:29:40. > :29:47.through the cracks when it comes to their mental health.

:29:48. > :29:49.The Education Select Committee found that almost half

:29:50. > :29:51.of children who are looked after by local authorities or in

:29:52. > :29:53.foster care, have a diagnosable mental health disorder.

:29:54. > :29:56.The MPs say children in care are four times more

:29:57. > :30:01.likely than their peers to have a mental health condition.

:30:02. > :30:03.Smokers should be encouraged to switch to e-cigarettes to help

:30:04. > :30:06.them quit, according to a report by the Royal College of Physicans.

:30:07. > :30:09.It says its findings lay to rest nearly all the concerns

:30:10. > :30:21.The report also says that fears that e-cigarettes are gateway to smoking

:30:22. > :30:29.are unfounded. Philip Hammond is due to arrive

:30:30. > :30:32.in Cuba later today. It'll be the first time

:30:33. > :30:34.a British Foreign Secretary has During the trip he is expected

:30:35. > :30:38.to formalise an agreement to cancel millions of pounds worth

:30:39. > :30:40.of Cuba's debt. The visit comes after a UK trade

:30:41. > :30:43.delegation to the country agreed around ?350 million worth

:30:44. > :30:45.of investment in a wide range A 26-year-old woman has been shot

:30:46. > :30:49.dead by her two-year-old son while driving in the American

:30:50. > :30:51.city of Milwaukee. Police say the child found the gun,

:30:52. > :30:54.which belonged to the victim's boyfriend, and accidentally fired

:30:55. > :30:57.it from the back seat. Profits at Facebook have tripled

:30:58. > :31:00.in the first quarter of 2016, compared to a year ago,

:31:01. > :31:02.rising to over ?1 billion. Most of the revenues

:31:03. > :31:17.came from a boom in By the end of March, 1.6 billion

:31:18. > :31:23.people were logging on at least once a month. That is a summary of the

:31:24. > :31:28.latest BBC News, more at ten o'clock. Now we get the latest

:31:29. > :31:39.sports news. The crisis at British Cycling has

:31:40. > :31:42.deepened since we covered The suspended technical director

:31:43. > :31:46.Shane Sutton has now resigned, he says to take any distraction away

:31:47. > :31:49.from the team as they prepare UK Sport has also asked

:31:50. > :31:52.the organisation to investigate whether official TeamGB kit,

:31:53. > :31:55.paid for by National Lottery funds - including a high-performance bike -

:31:56. > :32:08.is being sold online for profit. Tyson Fury insists that he is

:32:09. > :32:11.fighting fit and ready to beat Wladimir Klitschko again.

:32:12. > :32:12.The World heavyweight Champion showed

:32:13. > :32:17.went head to head to promote their rematch in Manchester in July.

:32:18. > :32:20.Fury goaded Klitschko by saying how the Ukrainian lost to a fat man six

:32:21. > :32:24.months ago but he can beat him again in any kind of shape although he did

:32:25. > :32:28.We had a goal in the second of the Champions League semifinals

:32:29. > :32:31.Atletico Madrid have a 1-0 lead against

:32:32. > :32:34.Bayern Munich ahead of the second leg in Germany next week .

:32:35. > :32:36.It was a terrific solo effort from Saul.

:32:37. > :32:42.Champion John Higgins to reach his first semifinal

:32:43. > :32:44.at the World Snooker Championship in 23 years.

:32:45. > :33:37.He is the oldest semifinalist for 31 years. More sporting half an hour.

:33:38. > :33:39.Does the Labour Party have an anti-semitism problem?

:33:40. > :33:43.The MP for Bradford Naz Shah was suspended from Labour yesterday

:33:44. > :33:46.for comments she made on social media about Israel -

:33:47. > :33:49.Tom Bateman is our Poltical Correspondent

:33:50. > :33:59.She says that the comments were made before she was an MP, but the

:34:00. > :34:04.comments have since been taken down, and now what you have is a situation

:34:05. > :34:11.where it has really come a test of Jeremy Corbyn is leadership. Is he

:34:12. > :34:18.really have a grip on this issue that many people are now saying of

:34:19. > :34:24.anti-Semitism in the Labour Party? Lord Levy, a fundraiser under Tony

:34:25. > :34:27.Blair, says the party has a problem. And is it taking the Corbyn

:34:28. > :34:38.leadership to long to do anything about it? So you have to things

:34:39. > :34:42.going on, the questions over Naz Shah herself and whether she will be

:34:43. > :34:46.expelled, but more fundamentally, questions about Mr Corbyn's

:34:47. > :34:51.leadership and whether he did enough, quickly enough, to tackle

:34:52. > :34:54.this, and others, like Lord Levy are saying that he should have added or

:34:55. > :34:58.quickly. Thank you very much indeed.

:34:59. > :35:00.Joining me now from Westminster is the Labour MP John Mann -

:35:01. > :35:03.who's also Chair of the All-Party Group Against AntiSemitism -

:35:04. > :35:05.and in the studio Richard Angell, director of the Labour thinktank

:35:06. > :35:07.Progress, and Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, senior

:35:08. > :35:20.John, I heard you yesterday saying that Naz Shah should go to Israel.

:35:21. > :35:27.Is she being scapegoated for stupid remarks? They are stupid remarks,

:35:28. > :35:37.but they are also racist remarks and highly offensive. Either she is

:35:38. > :35:41.thrown out, or she is educated about anti-Semitism and the offence she

:35:42. > :35:46.has created. You think she should be thrown out, expelled? That is John

:35:47. > :35:51.McDonnell's line on this. They are the two options. What I have

:35:52. > :35:58.recommended, and I did so before she was suspended to Jeremy Corbyn, and

:35:59. > :36:02.to her rectory, that she should be a GK to do in anti-Semitism in order

:36:03. > :36:06.that she could be one of the people who fights it, and that should

:36:07. > :36:11.include, and I have asked Jeremy Corbyn to do this, that she should

:36:12. > :36:14.go to Israel, to the Holocaust Centre, and also to Sid rot where

:36:15. > :36:22.the missiles from Hamas hit families, to get a better

:36:23. > :36:25.understanding of Israel, and why her remarks are so offensive. Can I ask

:36:26. > :36:32.you this blunt question. You believe she is an anti-Semite? Her remarks

:36:33. > :36:37.are anti-Semitic. We can do two things with her anybody else in the

:36:38. > :36:41.Labour Party or elsewhere. We can castigate and ignore them, or we can

:36:42. > :36:46.educate them. Prejudice comes from ignorance, and the best counter to

:36:47. > :36:51.prejudice is education, and that is what she seems willing and happy to

:36:52. > :36:57.engage, that is a good sign. Let me bring in Rabbi Laura. You know Naz

:36:58. > :37:02.Shah. Do you believe she is an anti-Semite? No, I don't. I agree

:37:03. > :37:08.with John that the posts were anti-Semitic. They swapped Israel

:37:09. > :37:14.and Jews, they were awful, they were terrible. I am certain that she is

:37:15. > :37:19.up for a change in learning, and from the point of view of a

:37:20. > :37:24.modelling change in Britain, that is excellent, to say, I was wrong, I am

:37:25. > :37:29.sorry, I offended many people, and she details what was wrong. If only

:37:30. > :37:33.we could all do that in our lives, because we know that racism and

:37:34. > :37:38.anti-Semitism, homophobia, they are all out there, and when somebody

:37:39. > :37:42.saying something doing something wrong, if they have the courage and

:37:43. > :37:47.the integrity to say, I really was wrong and I am up for learning, and

:37:48. > :37:52.I agree with John, I would love to take Naz Shah to Israel, to the

:37:53. > :37:55.territories, not just to the Holocaust Museum, down into the

:37:56. > :38:00.street to hang out in a cafe, because that is how you learn about

:38:01. > :38:03.normality. The backdrop to this is the Labour Party more broadly,

:38:04. > :38:07.because this is not the first time we have had a row about

:38:08. > :38:10.anti-Semitism. We have investigations into various Labour

:38:11. > :38:15.university clubs. Do you think Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party has a

:38:16. > :38:18.problem with anti-Semitism? Undoubtedly it has a problem with

:38:19. > :38:22.anti-Semitism, and the inaction when these things come about, and how

:38:23. > :38:25.quickly they are dealt with, is troubling for people. People fear

:38:26. > :38:28.that when people like Ken Livingstone said they have never

:38:29. > :38:36.heard or seen anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, they wonder what part

:38:37. > :38:44.of the party he is part of. But is it inaction? To be fair to Mr

:38:45. > :38:47.Corbyn, he set up an inquiry into anti-Semitism in various Labour

:38:48. > :38:54.clubs, he was straight out of the blocks in condemning what Naz Shah

:38:55. > :38:57.has said. She was removed, as John McDonnell's Parliamentary aide, and

:38:58. > :39:03.at the end of the day, she was suspended. All that happened in

:39:04. > :39:07.24-hour is. There was a bit of the space between them. Had the process

:39:08. > :39:12.been followed, she would have been immediately suspended, that then

:39:13. > :39:16.gone to an investigation, and my understanding is it was part of the

:39:17. > :39:19.leaders office that was holding back that formal process just being

:39:20. > :39:23.administered by the staff at the normal way. So there is often a

:39:24. > :39:28.hesitation before these things happen, I'm afraid. I fear there are

:39:29. > :39:32.too many political judgments that seem to be made and rather than feel

:39:33. > :39:38.confident in our party, people say wrong things. Sometimes we attract

:39:39. > :39:42.as a party people who misbehave, but the point is, when these situations

:39:43. > :39:47.happen, you have to act to agreed rules. Our agreed rules are not good

:39:48. > :39:51.enough at the moment, but they are not even followed when something

:39:52. > :39:55.like this comes up. Let me put this to you, much of the row as a

:39:56. > :40:06.surrogate for a row about Jeremy Corbyn, because he is identified as

:40:07. > :40:12.similarly, so it is wrapped up in the tension around his leadership. I

:40:13. > :40:18.have been talking about this for years, on the BBC as well, and this

:40:19. > :40:22.isn't a new problem. This is an old problem that is resurrected in quite

:40:23. > :40:28.a big way. Social media is one factor, but what leadership has to

:40:29. > :40:33.be is to say the right things, but also to act, and critically, there

:40:34. > :40:39.needs to be an effective education programme across the Labour Party

:40:40. > :40:46.about anti-Semitism, what it is, so that people understand what is

:40:47. > :40:49.offensive and why it is offensive. Yesterday, I was getting e-mails

:40:50. > :40:54.that said, you can't be racist against Jews because they are rich.

:40:55. > :40:58.That is coming from people on the left. Some quite extraordinary

:40:59. > :41:03.stuff. The levels of prejudice and ignorance are very high. From the

:41:04. > :41:12.perspective of the Jewish community, how damaging is this to Labour? To

:41:13. > :41:15.Labour, I think it is damaging, and people are frightened, which is why

:41:16. > :41:19.I think the reaction of both repentance and also the suspension

:41:20. > :41:23.are good. And I don't think it is just about the Labour Party, we need

:41:24. > :41:27.to look across the board at all parties, and not just the political

:41:28. > :41:31.institutions. The language that is slipping in in the general public

:41:32. > :41:37.around Jews, around Muslims, needs to be called out, so I am concerned

:41:38. > :41:41.that it is very easy to deflect it on the Labour Party rather than to

:41:42. > :41:45.say, what does it mean to Britain that we are further away from World

:41:46. > :41:50.War II, and the language between Israel and Jews gets muddled up, and

:41:51. > :41:55.what we saw two years ago, the wall between Hamas and Israel, the

:41:56. > :41:59.language that exploded on social media, that is not to do with the

:42:00. > :42:02.Labour Party, and that is why I think the Naz Shah thing is

:42:03. > :42:06.interesting, because what she did is utterly wrong, and now she is

:42:07. > :42:11.saying, I'm sorry. That is a very good model. Richard, let me ask you

:42:12. > :42:14.one more question on the Labour Party. You talked about how Labour

:42:15. > :42:20.had taken their time to deal with this. Is part of it again because of

:42:21. > :42:26.the Palestinian/ Israel political argument, and bluntly, Naz Shah was

:42:27. > :42:29.seen, is seen, as on the same side as Jeremy Corbyn, and therefore

:42:30. > :42:34.maybe there was a reluctance to crack down on her? I think that is

:42:35. > :42:38.true. One of the reasons I have always liked Naz Shah is how much

:42:39. > :42:42.George Galloway hates her, lots of things spoken in a passionate way,

:42:43. > :42:50.she has experienced social injustice in a way I have always found quite

:42:51. > :42:52.inspiring, which is why I was so disappointed but her words have been

:42:53. > :42:56.useful in that she seeks to do something better, and John is being

:42:57. > :43:01.helpful by saying, let's see the action and not just the words. Laura

:43:02. > :43:05.was generous about the Labour Party, but the reason why this is a

:43:06. > :43:08.problem, and members like me are so appalled by this, is we pride

:43:09. > :43:16.ourselves on being the anti-racist party. We are the party that fights

:43:17. > :43:20.social injustice, and what we cannot have is people turning a blind eye.

:43:21. > :43:33.While there are lots to criticise Israel, many of them Israel people,

:43:34. > :43:36.when they conflate Israel and Jews, that must be called out, and more

:43:37. > :43:40.importantly, British Jews must not be held responsible for a country

:43:41. > :43:46.they may never have visited or be part of. And what I see on my

:43:47. > :43:49.timeline, on Twitter, is that people seem to think all Jews are

:43:50. > :43:56.responsible for various bad things that happen elsewhere. We are going

:43:57. > :44:00.to have to leave it there. Coming up, are you a smoker? Some doctors

:44:01. > :44:04.are saying you should be offered and encouraged to use e-cigarettes to

:44:05. > :44:07.help you quit, because they are so much better than conventional

:44:08. > :44:10.cigarettes. Let us know if you have used them. And we will try and

:44:11. > :44:16.discuss that later. Many children in care are already

:44:17. > :44:19.extremely vulnerable and now a group of MPs says they are falling

:44:20. > :44:22.through the cracks when it comes The education select committee found

:44:23. > :44:29.that almost half of children who are looked after by local

:44:30. > :44:31.authorities or in foster care have a diagnosable mental health

:44:32. > :44:34.disorder, with kids in care four times more likely than their peers

:44:35. > :44:40.to have a mental health condition. We can speak to Daniel Harris,

:44:41. > :44:44.who's in our Brighton studio. Daniel spent time in care and has

:44:45. > :44:46.recently been diagnosed Here with me is Paul Jenkins,

:44:47. > :44:53.the Vice-Chair of the Cavendish Square Group which looks after some

:44:54. > :44:59.of the mental health services in London, Natasha Devon who advises

:45:00. > :45:14.the Government on young Natasha, a fairly shocking picture

:45:15. > :45:18.painted in this report, when you recognise? Yes, we know attachment

:45:19. > :45:23.is incredibly important for good mental health. We mean by that the

:45:24. > :45:28.relationship you have with your caregiver, while parent, it forms a

:45:29. > :45:31.blueprint for all your future relationships. Neuroscientists

:45:32. > :45:35.believe that if you don't have good attachment in early life it can

:45:36. > :45:39.affect cognitive development. So children in care who have been two

:45:40. > :45:43.different foster families are far more vulnerable to mental illnesses

:45:44. > :45:47.because of affects their cognitive development. Within wider population

:45:48. > :45:52.it is one in ten young people who have a mental illness, in looked

:45:53. > :45:56.after children, it is half, so it is far more within that community. The

:45:57. > :46:01.difficult thing for people to understand is, you would think that

:46:02. > :46:06.children coming from dysfunctional homes, Rogan Holmes, who have moved

:46:07. > :46:11.around a lot, -- broken homes, they of course will be more vulnerable to

:46:12. > :46:16.mental health issues. So why are alarm bells not ringing more loudly

:46:17. > :46:20.when it comes to children in care and mental health? We have known for

:46:21. > :46:25.a long time about the much greater incidence of mental health problems

:46:26. > :46:31.among children who have been looked after like this, and the reasons why

:46:32. > :46:35.it happens, as Natasha explains, are widely known. I think for one, the

:46:36. > :46:38.pressure on services raising the threshold that only those with the

:46:39. > :46:50.most acute problems are being seen but also in some services, which at

:46:51. > :46:53.this particular population. We know from experience in London that there

:46:54. > :47:02.are good things you can do about it, some good services have this and do

:47:03. > :47:07.good work among children. Who should ring the alarm bells, teachers, for

:47:08. > :47:13.example, who should be the person to identify about a problem? Good

:47:14. > :47:18.mental health services for young people work at two levels, one by

:47:19. > :47:22.having the right set of skills amongst everyday organisations to

:47:23. > :47:24.support those young people, so if it is looked after children, social

:47:25. > :47:30.workers who are working with their foster carers or adopted parents,

:47:31. > :47:37.but also would then have the ability to fast track problems into formal

:47:38. > :47:45.services when they arise. A very good model is what we do in Camden,

:47:46. > :47:49.where we have clinicians working with individual schools, building

:47:50. > :47:55.relationships, and helping to build the sense of trust between teachers

:47:56. > :48:00.and others in those schools. Daniel, let me bring you in. You have been

:48:01. > :48:07.through the care system. I think you had post-traumatic stress disorder?

:48:08. > :48:09.It was not identified. What was your experience in terms of the support

:48:10. > :48:17.that you were offered or not offered? I wasn't offered any,

:48:18. > :48:23.actually. Which is quite sad. 25 years it has taken for me to get a

:48:24. > :48:26.diagnosis. I've just gone through a process that many kids who leave

:48:27. > :48:32.care nowadays go through, you can get access to your historic files,

:48:33. > :48:35.by getting access to my files, what I've found is, it is actually

:48:36. > :48:40.written within my files that there was no funding available. And while

:48:41. > :48:46.this was historic, I am really worried about some of the cuts being

:48:47. > :48:52.pushed by the government, and how this will affect some of the care

:48:53. > :48:56.leavers today. What actually happened to you? I was sexually

:48:57. > :49:00.abused. My mother and father were previously looked after children so

:49:01. > :49:07.we were considered vulnerable family. And part of the safeguarding

:49:08. > :49:13.of children is that I was taken into care, on a temporary basis. This

:49:14. > :49:16.happened throughout my life. But I had a very good care experience, I

:49:17. > :49:22.had good foster parents and I have some good memories from that.

:49:23. > :49:27.Natasha, Daniel mentioned funding. Is it bluntly initial resources, we

:49:28. > :49:33.know that in the austerity and there has been cutting back, cutting back,

:49:34. > :49:39.is this an issue of austerity or awareness? Both, I would say. When a

:49:40. > :49:43.historically mental health has only had 0.7% of the NHS budget despite

:49:44. > :49:48.the fact that one in three GP visits is for a mental health issue.

:49:49. > :49:58.Because it can't be seen and is not considered urgent. There's a great

:49:59. > :50:02.organisation in Braintree called the Foyer which looks after young

:50:03. > :50:06.adults, give them a place to sleep, teachers and social skills, cookery,

:50:07. > :50:12.CB skills. That is in danger of being closed by the local council.

:50:13. > :50:16.-- CV skills. I can think of 200 things I would sacrifice in Essex

:50:17. > :50:20.before I sacrificed about that because most of the time we don't

:50:21. > :50:23.hear from you people like this, it is easy to silence them so well done

:50:24. > :50:29.for inviting this young man on the show. Again and again it is stressed

:50:30. > :50:33.that mental health is being given increased priority so how can this

:50:34. > :50:36.happen at a time when the government is apparently trying to divert focus

:50:37. > :50:43.from physical well-being to mental well-being. I think in the last five

:50:44. > :50:47.years we've seen a tremendous change in society in our attitudes towards

:50:48. > :50:52.mental health, but greater awareness for people to share their stories.

:50:53. > :50:55.This is beginning, I stress, beginning to change attitudes,

:50:56. > :51:00.politicians are seeing this as a priority. I think it is hard work to

:51:01. > :51:04.shift the funding. This is a point we've ridged, you can't talk in

:51:05. > :51:07.public about mental health being a priority if you don't back up your

:51:08. > :51:14.actions by the level of funding it attracts. Daniel, you are nodding.

:51:15. > :51:18.I've read the report and I want to stress that it says that 50% of

:51:19. > :51:23.children in care or leaving care have mental health disorders at the

:51:24. > :51:28.moment. And these are going pretty much undiagnosed. One thing is when

:51:29. > :51:33.the report, it's going the right way, there is support for previously

:51:34. > :51:37.looked after children and the age of 25, that's the recommendation put in

:51:38. > :51:43.place, I am partial and about kids that are in care and then getting

:51:44. > :51:50.the right support but lets face it, 23% of adult prisoners have been in

:51:51. > :51:54.care. That's 21,000 people currently in the prison system that were in

:51:55. > :51:58.care. We need to start asking questions, why is a society are we

:51:59. > :52:04.allowing this? It's definitely something we need to focus on. It

:52:05. > :52:09.costs ?65,000 a year to keep a prisoner in prison. Over 21,000

:52:10. > :52:14.people, that is ?1.5 billion again spent when we could be taking that

:52:15. > :52:19.money and investing it in to mental health services and getting the

:52:20. > :52:26.support early, not when it is too late and these people are pretty

:52:27. > :52:31.much left voice less in society. Natasha, given that there are huge

:52:32. > :52:36.savings to society and huge savings cost wise, you are sitting in

:52:37. > :52:40.government, what do you do to try to ensure that those savings can be

:52:41. > :52:45.achieved and to rectify the problem? If you had to list three bullet

:52:46. > :52:50.points to do what would they be? To make it clear, I don't work for the

:52:51. > :52:54.government although I do advise the Department for Education about how

:52:55. > :52:58.we can work at a preventative level. This is what Daniel is saying, we

:52:59. > :53:01.need to identify children who are vulnerable and give them the extra

:53:02. > :53:05.support they need as early as possible. Mental health is something

:53:06. > :53:10.we should think about from birth in the same way that we think about

:53:11. > :53:14.physical health. The way that mental health problems often manifest in

:53:15. > :53:19.later life is criminal activity, as Daniel says. At that point you are

:53:20. > :53:22.looking at a huge cost to that individual and to society so

:53:23. > :53:30.prevention, prevention, prevention, are my three bullet points. Same

:53:31. > :53:33.thought? Just one second, Daniel! There has been money promised for

:53:34. > :53:37.children and young People's mental health services. What the

:53:38. > :53:40.politicians need to make sure happens is that money translates

:53:41. > :53:43.into real further investment in front line services, like some of

:53:44. > :53:50.the ones that we run that screening in some borrowers, all looked after

:53:51. > :53:54.children for mental health issues, reaching out to those young people

:53:55. > :53:58.from specialist services. Daniel, if you had had your hands on the levers

:53:59. > :54:05.of power at what would you have done? I would make sure that there

:54:06. > :54:07.are regular checks and mental health assessments, psychological

:54:08. > :54:11.assessments, I would make sure all children in care are offered this

:54:12. > :54:16.service. Potentially throughout their life or their stay within the

:54:17. > :54:19.care system. That will give us an opportunity to get in the early. We

:54:20. > :54:25.can also look at other options. One thing that I'm trying to do is bring

:54:26. > :54:29.more of a holistic approach to mental health. I'm passionate about

:54:30. > :54:36.singing and music and one thing that I have done recently, I was inspired

:54:37. > :54:41.to going to a recent event, there were 700 children there, who are

:54:42. > :54:46.currently in the care system, and we formed a choir called Voices Matter.

:54:47. > :54:50.We want to work with care leavers and get them involved in that.

:54:51. > :54:55.There's a lot of emotional expression, these young adults need

:54:56. > :55:01.to get out. If we can get them and offer alternative approaches, I

:55:02. > :55:04.think this would really help these looked after children. Daniel, thank

:55:05. > :55:11.you! There's a promotion for Daniel. In just a few weeks' time we will

:55:12. > :55:14.get our say on whether Britain should remain in or leave

:55:15. > :55:16.the European Union. But what about British citizens

:55:17. > :55:18.who have lived abroad in other European countries

:55:19. > :55:20.for more than 15 years? Should they be able to vote

:55:21. > :55:50.in the EU referendum? Jacqueline Maclennan was one of the

:55:51. > :55:55.expats to bring the case, why should you be able to vote when you don't

:55:56. > :55:59.live in Britain? The vote is fundamental and taking away some

:56:00. > :56:04.on's folk should only be done in circumstances where there is reason

:56:05. > :56:08.for that. -- vote should be kept. Although I have been living in

:56:09. > :56:11.Belgium for 15 years I am rooted in the UK and deeply connected to it.

:56:12. > :56:24.And many UK citizens in my position are

:56:25. > :56:28.the same. My family are still in Scotland and our holiday there. I

:56:29. > :56:33.have three children, brought up in Belgium, two of them are studied in

:56:34. > :56:38.the UK and currently reside there, and my daughter, the third, hopes to

:56:39. > :56:42.go to the UK the University next. Isn't the difficulty that somewhere

:56:43. > :56:47.you have to draw the line because you could say, if you left button 50

:56:48. > :56:52.years ago or your aunt is British, the government has to draw a line

:56:53. > :56:57.somewhere, do you accept that? -- if you left Britain 50 years ago. I

:56:58. > :57:01.accept that there may be justification for drawing a line but

:57:02. > :57:05.this government has said that drawing a line where the line has

:57:06. > :57:18.been drawn is arbitrary. It has in fact said -- it is in fact said -

:57:19. > :57:24.the government has said if you choose 15 years and is like sticking

:57:25. > :57:27.a dart in a dart board, why not 14 or 13 years 16? There is something

:57:28. > :57:32.really wrong when the results of choosing that date is to take a

:57:33. > :57:40.fundamental right away from citizens who are, as I say, deeply connected

:57:41. > :57:49.to the UK. People like me are not a nebulous expat that has severed all

:57:50. > :57:55.ties to the UK and has no wish to maintain my rights and obligations

:57:56. > :58:00.to the UK. Where I pay tax, where I have these strong connections, as I

:58:01. > :58:04.say, I believe I should also have the right to vote. We will leave it

:58:05. > :58:11.there, thank you, Jacqueline. Now the latest weather update with Phil.

:58:12. > :58:16.I am sure we can manage whether expectations, forget the May bank

:58:17. > :58:20.holiday, or January, it's much the same sort of tail with winter

:58:21. > :58:24.showers overnight in Lancashire, is the good news to report, there has

:58:25. > :58:30.been sunshine further east in the British Isles, a foggy start but the

:58:31. > :58:34.transformation, and it will be quite some transformation, it will come in

:58:35. > :58:38.the shape of a southern weather front spreading rain or snow.

:58:39. > :58:42.Spreading snow ever further towards the east. It's already that way

:58:43. > :58:46.across western Scotland. It's miserable there at the moment. You

:58:47. > :58:50.will see a progression of these weather fronts further towards the

:58:51. > :58:54.east and south as we get through the day. Not all doom and gloom, we have

:58:55. > :58:58.had persistent stuff, then wintry showers falling behind for parts of

:58:59. > :59:01.Northern Ireland, or a hint of brightness, but the top end of

:59:02. > :59:08.Northern Ireland, a mixture of sunshine and showers, but, and it is

:59:09. > :59:11.a big but, this will stretch away towards the Lothians, down into the

:59:12. > :59:14.Borders, the top end of the Pennines, and then we come to

:59:15. > :59:18.something a little drier all the windows that bright start across

:59:19. > :59:22.East Anglia, holding it in Kent until late in the day, you will not

:59:23. > :59:25.see rain here until later in the afternoon but when the rain is with

:59:26. > :59:29.you and it is there to be had this afternoon across the south-west,

:59:30. > :59:35.rain and the Midlands, miserable fare. Wendy, cold, five, six, seven,

:59:36. > :59:38.8 degrees, and the rain sticks around for awhile. It's not so much

:59:39. > :59:42.the rain that I'm concerned about for many of you, it's the

:59:43. > :59:48.persistence the snow. The weather front sticks until Friday. Look at

:59:49. > :59:52.this. Another of isobars, some of the snow could blow around. By this

:59:53. > :59:55.stage some of the threat has transferred from eastern Scotland to

:59:56. > :59:58.the south-east of Scotland to the north-east of England. If you were

:59:59. > :00:02.thinking of the cycle ride in Yorkshire tomorrow, so are we

:00:03. > :00:07.although probably not for the same reasons! It is wet and it could well

:00:08. > :00:12.be lying snow on the ground and there's a gale force northerly, and

:00:13. > :00:20.that system keeps it miserably cold. With that threat of further snow, we

:00:21. > :00:24.are talking centimetres across here, elsewhere, sunny spells and showers.

:00:25. > :00:27.Relief from the misery on Saturday, sunshine and showers and at least

:00:28. > :00:33.some of those figures are beginning to reach double figures. Will it

:00:34. > :00:35.last? It worked. Any set of fronts arrived with the best of the

:00:36. > :00:38.sunshine across the south-east. Hello, I'm Norman Smith

:00:39. > :00:48.in for Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme

:00:49. > :00:52.if you've just joined us. A group representing former

:00:53. > :00:55.South Yorkshire Police officers has told its members to be proud

:00:56. > :00:58.of their work in the 1980s despite the findings

:00:59. > :01:00.of the Hilsborough inquests. A relative of one of

:01:01. > :01:07.the victims told us she's not The majority of the officers on duty

:01:08. > :01:13.that day were too busy holding hands across the football pitch. Some of

:01:14. > :01:18.them were actually looking into the pens, and literally turned away.

:01:19. > :01:26.Some of them were pushing people back in. But not only that, they

:01:27. > :01:37.then carried on by lying, covering up, trying to blame our 96 and the

:01:38. > :01:43.survivors. Also today: Smokers should switch to

:01:44. > :01:47.e-cigarettes, the roll call of physicians says we are safer.

:01:48. > :01:49.Facebook shares jump after the company reports

:01:50. > :01:51.soaring profits it's mainly because many of us are now

:01:52. > :02:06.It is one minute past ten o'clock, and here is Annita with a summary of

:02:07. > :02:09.the news. Norman, thank you. The Labour Party has a serious

:02:10. > :02:11.problem with anti-semitism, according to one of its most

:02:12. > :02:19.high profile peers. Naz Shah has apologised for the

:02:20. > :02:25.Facebook post which she made before entering Parliament. Labour MP John

:02:26. > :02:27.Mann is also chair of the all-party group against anti-Semitism, and

:02:28. > :02:32.told the Victoria Derbyshire programme she should be better

:02:33. > :02:37.educated. What I have recommended, and I did so before she was

:02:38. > :02:40.suspended to Jeremy Corbyn, and to her directly, personally, is that

:02:41. > :02:44.she should be educated in anti-Semitism in order that she can

:02:45. > :02:47.be one of the people who fights it, that should include, and I have

:02:48. > :02:54.asked Jeremy Kyle bin to do this, that she should go to Israel, to the

:02:55. > :03:00.Holocaust Centre, and to where the missiles from Hamas hit families, to

:03:01. > :03:14.get a better understanding of Israel and why her remarks are so

:03:15. > :03:24.offensive. John Mann. British expats should be allowed to vote in the

:03:25. > :03:28.referendum, according to ministers. The passenger plane which was

:03:29. > :03:34.thought to have hit by a drone as it approached Heathrow Airport probably

:03:35. > :03:36.wasn't, the Government has revealed. An investigation was launched

:03:37. > :03:40.earlier this month into what was thought to be the UK's first drone

:03:41. > :03:46.strike on a passenger aircraft after a BA flight from Geneva reported

:03:47. > :03:50.colliding with an object. But the Transport Secretary says it is now

:03:51. > :03:54.thought it wasn't a drone incident. A group of MPs says many children in

:03:55. > :03:57.care are falling through the cracks when it comes to their mental

:03:58. > :04:01.health. The education select committee found that almost half of

:04:02. > :04:06.children looked after by local authorities or in foster care have a

:04:07. > :04:09.diagnosable mental health disorder. The MPs say children in care are

:04:10. > :04:10.four times more likely than their peers to have a mental health

:04:11. > :04:13.condition. Smokers should be encouraged

:04:14. > :04:15.to switch to e-cigarettes to help The UK's Royal College of Physicians

:04:16. > :04:19.says there is resounding evidence that e-cigarettes are "much safer"

:04:20. > :04:22.than smoking and can help quitting. The report also says fears that

:04:23. > :04:24.e-cigarettes are a gateway Philip Hammond is due to arrive

:04:25. > :04:30.in Cuba later today. It'll be the first time

:04:31. > :04:32.a British Foreign Secretary has During the trip he is expected

:04:33. > :04:37.to formalise an agreement to cancel millions of pounds worth

:04:38. > :04:40.of Cuba's debt. The visit comes after a UK trade

:04:41. > :04:43.delegation to the country agreed around ?350 million worth

:04:44. > :04:46.of investment in a wide range A 26-year-old woman has been shot

:04:47. > :04:53.dead by her two-year-old son while driving in the American

:04:54. > :04:55.city of Milwaukee. Police say the child found the gun,

:04:56. > :04:58.which belonged to the victim's boyfriend, and accidentally fired

:04:59. > :05:05.it from the back seat. Profits at Facebook have tripled

:05:06. > :05:07.in the first quarter of 2016, compared to a year ago,

:05:08. > :05:24.rising to over ?1 billion. Most of Facebook's revenues come

:05:25. > :05:30.from the boom in the advertising revenues. 1.6 billion people log on

:05:31. > :05:32.at least once a month, 200 million more than this time last year.

:05:33. > :05:35.That's a summary of the latest BBC News; more at 10.30.

:05:36. > :05:44.Annita, thank you very much indeed. Coming up, UK sport has asked

:05:45. > :05:46.British cycling De Gea investigate whether official Team GB kit has

:05:47. > :05:49.been sold online for profit less than 24 hours after it was unveiled.

:05:50. > :05:52.We will get the latest. Do get in touch with us

:05:53. > :05:57.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live

:05:58. > :06:00.and if you text, you will be charged Let's get some more sports news with

:06:01. > :06:17.Olly Foster. A slight clarification, I think, on

:06:18. > :06:22.the British cycling and UK sport investigation. We know that there is

:06:23. > :06:24.also the fire fighting going on at the moment at the organisation since

:06:25. > :06:28.we cover the story yesterday. The suspended technical director

:06:29. > :06:30.Shane Sutton has now resigned, he says to take any distraction away

:06:31. > :06:33.from the team as they prepare UK Sport has also asked

:06:34. > :06:51.the organisation to investigate whether official

:06:52. > :06:52.British Cycling kit, Amat is different from the Team GB

:06:53. > :07:06.kit that was unveiled yesterday. Well, Sutton has been accused

:07:07. > :07:08.of making sexist comments and also being highly offensive

:07:09. > :07:11.in the terms he used to describe He denies the specific claims

:07:12. > :07:15.against him and says he will co-operate with an independent

:07:16. > :07:17.review to examine the culture It is really, really important

:07:18. > :07:25.that we have this independent review so that anybody who has

:07:26. > :07:27.had those experiences, they get a chance to talk

:07:28. > :07:30.to an independent panel, It is not many people's experience

:07:31. > :07:35.of British Cycling, but it should be I am, but that is why we need

:07:36. > :07:46.an independent panel to investigate this,

:07:47. > :07:48.we need to look It cannot be British Cammack cycling

:07:49. > :07:59.investigating itself here. Ian Drake talking to our sports

:08:00. > :08:06.editor Dan Roan. You know we had Vladimir Klitchsko

:08:07. > :08:08.doing the rounds here yesterday, thankfully we didn't have Tyson Fury

:08:09. > :08:11.because we might have seen this. The world heavyweight champion

:08:12. > :08:13.showed off his ample physique as the two went head to head

:08:14. > :08:16.to promote their rematch Fury goaded Klitschko by saying how

:08:17. > :08:29.the Ukrainian lost to a fat man six months ago but he can beat him again

:08:30. > :08:32.in any kind of shape. Although he did insist he's

:08:33. > :08:34.fitter than he looks. I reckon I can do 12 rounds

:08:35. > :08:40.when I weigh 20 stone, fat pig, it is not about how hard

:08:41. > :08:45.you train, it is the natural I ran six miles yesterday afternoon,

:08:46. > :08:57.and then I did one hour on the cross trainer and one hour on a bike,

:08:58. > :09:01.so I can't be that unfit, and I have We had a goal in the second

:09:02. > :09:04.of the Champions League Atletico Madrid have a 1-0 lead

:09:05. > :09:07.against Bayern Munich ahead of the second leg

:09:08. > :09:10.in Germany next week. It was a terrific solo

:09:11. > :09:12.effort from Saul. Remember Manchester City

:09:13. > :09:13.and Real Madrid drew 0-0 That's all your sport

:09:14. > :09:23.for now, I'll be back The inquest sat for over two years

:09:24. > :09:31.and while the families of the Hillsborough victims

:09:32. > :09:37.celebrated the conclusions, the focus is now on South Yorkshire

:09:38. > :09:39.Police and whether there Despite the criticism of the police,

:09:40. > :09:43.a group representing retired officers in South Yorkshire

:09:44. > :09:45.who worked for the force in the 1980s, has told its members

:09:46. > :09:47.they should be proud The message was made public

:09:48. > :09:58.accidentally and then withdrawn. 30,000 attended a vigil

:09:59. > :10:00.in Liverpool to remember the 96 fans who died

:10:01. > :10:09.at Hillsborough 27 years ago. There were emotional scenes as the

:10:10. > :10:24.crowd join together to sing the club was Makoun sum. --'s anthem.

:10:25. > :10:27.# When you walk through the storm # Hold your head up high

:10:28. > :10:37.# And don't be afraid of the dark # At the end of the storm

:10:38. > :11:00.# And the sweet silver song of a lark

:11:01. > :12:23.Steering stuff. You have been sending in more of your comment is

:12:24. > :12:26.on Hillsborough. Roger: What happened at this football ground was

:12:27. > :12:30.terrible. The authorities were found wanting for sure. It was clear by

:12:31. > :12:34.footage shown that there appears to have been no violence from the fans,

:12:35. > :12:39.but serious mistakes were made by the authorities. There was a huge

:12:40. > :12:44.cover-up of the true facts, and that must only have come from the top.

:12:45. > :12:47.But in the 1980s, football fans didn't have a good reputation with

:12:48. > :12:52.the authorities due to the violence at some matches. It is because of

:12:53. > :12:57.this violence, which was common at this time, that the grounds had

:12:58. > :13:01.these awful fences installed. I cannot get out of my mind that if

:13:02. > :13:04.these fences were not there, this disaster would never have happened,

:13:05. > :13:11.so could some blame be laid at the feet of those fans who were

:13:12. > :13:14.irresponsible for this violence? Maria says, emotional scenes in

:13:15. > :13:18.Liverpool last night. I watched it and I was in tears, I sang the

:13:19. > :13:21.anthem holding my West Ham scarf high.

:13:22. > :13:23.Elkan Abrahamsen is lawyer for 22 of the families.

:13:24. > :13:27.And Mike Pannett is former police officer with North Yorkshire police.

:13:28. > :13:44.We have had the suspension of the Chief Constable, the Home

:13:45. > :13:53.Secretary's statement, the damning verdict at the inquest. What more do

:13:54. > :13:58.you and the families want? I think now may be the time to take a step

:13:59. > :14:03.back and look at the general problems, some of which remain,

:14:04. > :14:08.which led not just of the disaster, but to the cover-up. Firstly there

:14:09. > :14:11.is the problem within South Yorkshire Police, which seems to

:14:12. > :14:16.continue, where they failed to accept their responsibility, and

:14:17. > :14:23.indeed are prepared to lie to cover up their own conduct. And this is an

:14:24. > :14:26.overriding problem, not just for South Yorkshire Police, but

:14:27. > :14:30.generally for organisations, a ten nation to not confess your mistakes

:14:31. > :14:35.but cover up things have gone wrong and protect colleagues, that is all

:14:36. > :14:42.too strong, and we need to develop a system to fight the temptation. And

:14:43. > :14:45.how do you do that? You can understand in most organisations

:14:46. > :14:49.there is a tendency to be defensive when you are under attack, so how do

:14:50. > :14:54.you counter that temptation to cover-up? What you need to have is a

:14:55. > :14:59.deep rooted sense of ethical behaviour. Police forces nationally

:15:00. > :15:03.do now have a code of ethics, they have had one for a couple of years,

:15:04. > :15:08.it is still taking some time to bed in, but for a colleague to say I

:15:09. > :15:12.will support you in everything I do up to the point where you act

:15:13. > :15:18.illegally, in morally or unethically, and then that support

:15:19. > :15:21.goes. It is not impossible for everyone in an organisation to

:15:22. > :15:26.accept that, to accept that there is an overriding moral code. Mike

:15:27. > :15:32.Pannett, from a police perspective, do you accept the criticism now

:15:33. > :15:35.being levelled at the South Yorkshire Police, in particular for

:15:36. > :15:39.the fact that at the inquest, it seemed there were almost going back

:15:40. > :15:43.on a previous apology and continuing to take the stance they took the

:15:44. > :15:50.time of original tragedy? Hello, Norman. I have just listened to the

:15:51. > :15:55.Merseyside, the families there, singing that song, and that brought

:15:56. > :15:59.emotion to me. I have been a lifelong football fan, but there are

:16:00. > :16:02.two or three strands to this. Firstly we had the events leading up

:16:03. > :16:06.to that football match. Should the ground have been used? Then we saw

:16:07. > :16:15.what happened at that match, and the disastrous consequences. Following

:16:16. > :16:20.that, we saw what now is a cover-up by South Yorkshire Police officers

:16:21. > :16:24.at the time, and that has catastrophic consequences for the

:16:25. > :16:29.police. But look at the third strand, which is really important,

:16:30. > :16:34.too, and we must discuss this. Where have the police gone subsequently?

:16:35. > :16:40.We saw Lord Justice Taylor, we have seen the massive improvements with

:16:41. > :16:45.safety at football matches. Back in the 80s, at the time, the policing

:16:46. > :16:49.focus was on crowd disorder. But now, thankfully, it is on crowd

:16:50. > :16:54.safety, and we have safety advisory groups set up, we have the Green

:16:55. > :16:58.guide which looks at monitoring foot or matches, the amount of people

:16:59. > :17:02.going in, so if anything good has come out of this absolute tragedy,

:17:03. > :17:07.it is that we are in a different place altogether. Police officers at

:17:08. > :17:11.these matches are trained to a national level, and the whole aspect

:17:12. > :17:17.of how we handle these sporting events has changed for the good, and

:17:18. > :17:20.that is the one, only thing that I am really grateful from those

:17:21. > :17:36.Eikan is this question that South Yorkshire Police are almost a rogue

:17:37. > :17:40.force. I can say this because Andy Burnham said in the Commons

:17:41. > :17:45.yesterday that it was not just Hillsborough, it was Rotherham and

:17:46. > :17:51.other places, so are we dealing with a force that has particular

:17:52. > :17:55.problems? I think to an extent we are. The behaviour of the suspended

:17:56. > :17:59.Chief Constable Mr Crompton indicates that he's still quite

:18:00. > :18:07.happy to peddle lies even after they have been disproved. I am sorry my

:18:08. > :18:12.earpiece is coming out! I also think there is a problem endemic to not

:18:13. > :18:19.just police forces but organisations generally that we need to look at.

:18:20. > :18:22.From the South Yorkshire perspective, if you live in South

:18:23. > :18:27.Yorkshire are a suspect you will have serious questions about the

:18:28. > :18:33.policing you receive. Is there a case for either rebranding or even

:18:34. > :18:35.disbanding the South Yorkshire force, reconstituting it, maybe

:18:36. > :18:43.putting it together with other forces? We must be really careful.

:18:44. > :18:48.If we are talking about Hillsborough, like I've said before

:18:49. > :18:53.in interviews I've given, these people, anybody, no matter what

:18:54. > :18:57.rank, anywhere in proven to have committed an offence must face the

:18:58. > :19:02.consequences. Although we have to be very careful. There are men and

:19:03. > :19:06.women in South Yorkshire Police, I have never worked in South Yorkshire

:19:07. > :19:09.but I know a lot of very decent men and women will work within the South

:19:10. > :19:16.Yorkshire Police. Remember that when Hillsborough happened a lot of those

:19:17. > :19:21.officers and staff working for South Yorkshire Police were not even born.

:19:22. > :19:26.We are talking about 27 years later. Things have improved, quite rightly.

:19:27. > :19:31.I am absolutely all for learning from these lessons from the pastoral

:19:32. > :19:35.we cannot tar everyone with the same brush and there are decent men and

:19:36. > :19:38.women who not even born when Hillsborough happened and they are

:19:39. > :19:42.feeling this personally, they are the ones going out and putting on

:19:43. > :19:47.their stab proof vests and facing the public and dealing with

:19:48. > :19:50.difficult situations so we must be very careful to make sure that all

:19:51. > :19:56.the South Yorkshire Police, decent men and women... I think that one of

:19:57. > :20:01.the many reasons that people have been shocked is because of the

:20:02. > :20:05.conduct of the force at the inquests when it seemed that they were almost

:20:06. > :20:10.reinventing many of the allegations about the fans. That has led to the

:20:11. > :20:17.accusation that maybe attitudes have not changed, at least at the top of

:20:18. > :20:21.the police force. And then we had that posted message from retired

:20:22. > :20:28.officers today and it suggests a lack of awareness, sends the gravity

:20:29. > :20:36.of this. -- a sense of the gravity of this. What has saddened me, we

:20:37. > :20:40.have looked at Hillsborough and we had another review that did not pick

:20:41. > :20:45.up the those poor families have had to endure 27 families to get to the

:20:46. > :20:48.truth... 27 years to get to the truth, and now quite rightly anyone

:20:49. > :20:54.who has done wrong should face charges although it does get me, why

:20:55. > :20:59.are we still in this situation with the police and just admit that

:21:00. > :21:03.mistakes were made and that they saw the disastrous consequences, instead

:21:04. > :21:12.of just admitting, we have made a mistake, let's put it right. Too

:21:13. > :21:17.often people are terrified of litigation and terrified of saying

:21:18. > :21:21.things that cannot be right. We as a country need to take a look at

:21:22. > :21:25.ourselves. If someone has done something wrong they should be able

:21:26. > :21:33.to put up their hands and say, we got it wrong. Eikan, you mentioned

:21:34. > :21:36.the need for transparency and greater willingness to concede when

:21:37. > :21:39.things have gone wrong, let me mention some specifics, the Chief

:21:40. > :21:47.Constable has been suspended, should he go? He should be subject to

:21:48. > :21:50.rigorous objective impartial investigation, the kind that was

:21:51. > :21:55.denied to the families for so long, and of that investigation feels he

:21:56. > :21:59.should be dismissed then he should. In terms of charges we know there's

:22:00. > :22:04.an investigation underway and allsorts of charges could be

:22:05. > :22:11.brought, the likelihood of them being brought in 26 years later? We

:22:12. > :22:15.must be careful to talk about charges, again there must be a

:22:16. > :22:18.proper investigation and if appropriate charges should be

:22:19. > :22:24.brought I would not like to comment on the likelihood. Theresa May

:22:25. > :22:28.seemed to signal yesterday that she planned to look at what is clearly

:22:29. > :22:33.an adversarial, and satisfactory inquest process. Will we see a

:22:34. > :22:38.shake-up of inquests and the way that families are treated? Hope so.

:22:39. > :22:42.It is not so much the inquest procedure, it is the way that public

:22:43. > :22:47.bodies are allowed to have a public phase where they will apologise and

:22:48. > :22:54.a private face with a will litigate and be adversarial. This is a real

:22:55. > :22:58.problem. These are public bodies, we fund them, governments control them,

:22:59. > :23:00.if we have done something wrong and especially of the admit to doing

:23:01. > :23:06.something wrong then they should not be allowed to take an entirely

:23:07. > :23:14.contrary route through the courts or through litigation. And time frames,

:23:15. > :23:17.this has gone on for so long now, the Home Secretary yesterday

:23:18. > :23:22.suggested that it could be a year before any files are presented to

:23:23. > :23:34.the CPS. This could still presumably be going on for years to come? It

:23:35. > :23:38.could but it should. You cannot hide the truth and 27 years and then say,

:23:39. > :23:43.it has taken so long, let's forget it! It takes a lot of time to

:23:44. > :23:50.unravel a web of deceit that starts at the highest level. From the point

:23:51. > :23:54.of view of South Yorkshire if this goes on and the questions continue

:23:55. > :24:00.to be raised about the force, how do they, as a force, really builds

:24:01. > :24:04.confidence and trust with the local community that they please? You are

:24:05. > :24:09.absolutely right, Norman. This will be very difficult for South

:24:10. > :24:13.Yorkshire because unfortunately it has been in the spotlight because of

:24:14. > :24:17.some things that haven't gone as well as they should have done. But

:24:18. > :24:21.I've said from the start that we have staff and officers serving in

:24:22. > :24:28.South Yorkshire now which had nothing to do with those events, not

:24:29. > :24:32.even born at the time of that tragedy, it's about leadership at

:24:33. > :24:36.the top of the South Yorkshire Police to make sure that those staff

:24:37. > :24:42.can go out there, it's all about morale, they will be on their knees

:24:43. > :24:47.now, people are looking at them and questioning them, what do do do

:24:48. > :24:52.about Hillsborough, those officers they are pointing the finger at had

:24:53. > :24:57.nothing to do with that and that's what we could be clear about, that

:24:58. > :25:03.the South Yorkshire and do their job and do it well. Thank you both very

:25:04. > :25:07.much. Still to come, Facebook's profits are soaring as the company

:25:08. > :25:13.attracts more and more advertising. We will have the details. The Sun

:25:14. > :25:16.newspaper could be made to pay compensation to alleged victims of

:25:17. > :25:21.phone hacking after a judge's ruling at the High Court this morning. The

:25:22. > :25:23.newspaper has always denied that it listened to mobile phone messages

:25:24. > :25:26.but a new messages set of victims say their phones were hacked.

:25:27. > :25:29.Around 600 claims have been settled for hacking victims of the now

:25:30. > :25:37.let's get the latest from legal eagle Clive Coleman. For those of

:25:38. > :25:41.you who thought the phone hacking litigation was in the past, think

:25:42. > :25:45.again, it rumbles on. Today a significant new development. We just

:25:46. > :25:51.had a ruling from Mr Justice Mann at the High Court that four claimants

:25:52. > :25:56.can amend the cases they had already brought against knees but

:25:57. > :26:01.newspapers, significantly to include claims against the Sun newspaper,

:26:02. > :26:06.claims that there was phone hacking that took place at that newspaper.

:26:07. > :26:10.It's always been denied by News group newspapers will continue to

:26:11. > :26:16.deny it, by the way, that phone hacking took place at the Sun

:26:17. > :26:20.newspaper. We have had an application by four claimants. Simon

:26:21. > :26:26.Clegg, Chief Executive Officer of the British limbic Association. Les

:26:27. > :26:32.Heseltine, more familiarly known as Les Dennis, the entertainer -- the

:26:33. > :26:41.British Olympic Association. The manager of the band Babyshambles,

:26:42. > :26:45.and the head of press at Liverpool Football Club. Those claimants want

:26:46. > :26:50.to amend their claims to include claims against the Sun. It was

:26:51. > :26:54.vigorously opposed by the newspaper, who indeed wanted those claims

:26:55. > :26:57.struck out completely. Today the judge says he is going to dismiss

:26:58. > :27:02.the application to strikers claims that committee will allow those four

:27:03. > :27:10.claimants to continue their claims against the Sun. Now we know that up

:27:11. > :27:14.to 50 new claims against News group newspapers, many of which will

:27:15. > :27:19.include claims of hacking against the Sun are to be is it. A number of

:27:20. > :27:25.new claims the pipeline. I'm joined by Christopher Hutchings. One of the

:27:26. > :27:32.claimants. I imagine some of the other 50 will bring claims? Affair

:27:33. > :27:37.number of them. What it tough fight this was. The ruling today was

:27:38. > :27:42.significant because it brings the Sun squarely into the civil

:27:43. > :27:46.litigation friend. Newsgroup for this vigorously and the judge has

:27:47. > :27:53.found that there is sufficient evidence to allow the four claimants

:27:54. > :27:58.to claim for articles that come from the Sun but more substantially this

:27:59. > :28:06.will allow up 250 further claimants to plead some articles. It doesn't

:28:07. > :28:10.mean that these cases have been won, they have to be brought, yet to

:28:11. > :28:16.bring them you'll had to satisfy the judge that there was enough evidence

:28:17. > :28:21.to bring a case. Fisher correct, we had to put forward a significant

:28:22. > :28:27.amount of evidence including from individuals such as Glenn Malka and

:28:28. > :28:30.Paul McMullen. Denmark it was a private detective at the heart of

:28:31. > :28:34.the phone hacking scandal and the other Glen was a former news editor

:28:35. > :28:39.at the News of the World. He had something interesting to say about

:28:40. > :28:45.Rebekah Brooks, the editor of the Sun from 2003. Yes, the judge

:28:46. > :28:51.specifically refers to evidence that he believes that Rebekah Brooks, the

:28:52. > :28:53.former editor, was aware of phone hacking, she knew that certain

:28:54. > :28:59.stories were sourced through phone hacking. Of course Rebekah Brooks

:29:00. > :29:04.was acquitted of phone hacking at that criminal trial at the Old

:29:05. > :29:09.Bailey in 2014 but the judge in this civil case has taken note of what

:29:10. > :29:17.one witness says about what she knew Benji was editor. Witnesses working

:29:18. > :29:21.at the Sun have also given evidence as to knowledge and complicity at

:29:22. > :29:38.the highest levels of the newspaper. Thank you. Norman, just one other

:29:39. > :29:41.interesting fact. We were told... Bunker I'm sorry, I think the

:29:42. > :29:44.technology has gone wonky although we got the general idea from Clive,

:29:45. > :29:57.the legal eagle. Still to come. Some doctors say that you should be

:29:58. > :30:01.encouraged to use e-cigarettes to help you quit because they are

:30:02. > :30:04.better than conventional cigarettes. Tell us if you have used them or if

:30:05. > :30:15.you find the message still a It is half past ten, and here with

:30:16. > :30:22.the news is Annita in the BBC newsroom.

:30:23. > :30:41.Thank you and good morning. There has been a further concern delete

:30:42. > :30:50.and criticism of Nas Shah over marks she made before entering Parliament.

:30:51. > :31:02.British expats have lost a High Court battle over their right to

:31:03. > :31:06.vote in the European referendum. Many expats fear a decision in

:31:07. > :31:10.favour to leave the EU may Syriza disrupt their lives.

:31:11. > :31:14.A passenger plane which was thought to have been hit by a drone as it

:31:15. > :31:16.approached Heathrow airport probably wasn't hit by a drone after all,

:31:17. > :31:19.An investigation was launched earlier this month

:31:20. > :31:23.into what was thought to be the UK's first drone strike on a passenger

:31:24. > :31:25.aircraft after a BA flight from Geneva reported colliding

:31:26. > :31:28.But the Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said it is now thought

:31:29. > :31:38.A 26-year-old woman has been shot dead by her two-year-old son

:31:39. > :31:40.while driving in the American city of Milwaukee.

:31:41. > :31:43.Police say the child found the gun, which belonged to the victim's

:31:44. > :31:46.boyfriend, and accidentally fired it from the back seat.

:31:47. > :31:55.That is a summary of the latest news. Join me live at 11 o'clock.

:31:56. > :32:00.Annita, thank you very much. More from our sports supremo, Olly

:32:01. > :32:04.Foster. And beginning to like it.

:32:05. > :32:06.There could be more trouble for British Cycling,

:32:07. > :32:15.UK Sport has asked them to investigate as a matter

:32:16. > :32:17.of urgency whether high-performance kit purchased with

:32:18. > :32:20.is being sold online for profit The teams technical director

:32:21. > :32:22.Shane Sutton resigned yesterday after being accused of making sexist

:32:23. > :32:24.remarks and using derogatory terms to describe para-cyclists.

:32:25. > :32:29.He has denied the specific claims against against him.

:32:30. > :32:32.He will call operator with an independent review of the culture at

:32:33. > :32:34.the organisation. Tyson Fury insists that he is in

:32:35. > :32:37.good enough shape to beat Are you sure? Looks more like me!

:32:38. > :32:44.Yes, I am breathing in. The World Heavyweight Champion

:32:45. > :32:46.showed off his physique as they went head to head

:32:47. > :32:48.to promote their rematch in July. He says he would beat the Ukrainian

:32:49. > :32:52.as a 30 stone fat pig. Atletico Madrid will take a 1-0 lead

:32:53. > :32:54.to Germany next week after beating Bayern Munich

:32:55. > :32:57.in the first leg of their Champions And Alan Mcmanus has reached his

:32:58. > :33:02.first World Snooker Championship The 45-year-old beat John Higgins

:33:03. > :33:08.and will face Ding Junhui. He's the oldest

:33:09. > :33:20.semi-finalist for 31 years. Marco Fu faces Mark Selby in the

:33:21. > :33:23.other semifinal, the first time two Asian players have reached the

:33:24. > :33:29.semifinals in Sheffield. That's all your support for this morning.

:33:30. > :33:36.Can the Government help save the future of the steel

:33:37. > :33:39.That's one of the questions likely to be asked of

:33:40. > :33:42.the Business Secretary Sajid Javid this morning - as he's giving

:33:43. > :33:44.evidence to the House of Commons Business Committee.

:33:45. > :33:47.Its future has been in doubt since Tata Steel, which employs

:33:48. > :33:48.11,000 people in Britain, announced it would be

:33:49. > :33:53.The Government has said it would be willing to front up the cash

:33:54. > :33:55.for a 25% stake in any takeover, but yesterday the Prime Minister

:33:56. > :33:58.said there was no guarantee the plan would help find a new buyer.

:33:59. > :34:02.I'm joined by our Business Editor Simon Jack.

:34:03. > :34:09.Simon, is there a better news for the steelworkers? As you know, on

:34:10. > :34:13.March the 29th, we got the news that everyone in the steel industry was

:34:14. > :34:19.dreading, that Tata couldn't make a go of it and was putting it up for

:34:20. > :34:22.sale. 10,000 jobs at stake. Can a buyer be found? Crucially, what can

:34:23. > :34:28.the Government do to make this industry viable? Can they give

:34:29. > :34:32.assistance, you talk about the 25% stake, what else could they do? And

:34:33. > :34:37.how long have we got to find a buyer before Tata decide to shut up shop.

:34:38. > :34:44.Those were some of the questions put to the boss, and here he is. We have

:34:45. > :34:57.always acted responsibly. We will continue to act responsibly, but we

:34:58. > :35:01.cannot pre-empt what a buyer will want, and we cannot continue to

:35:02. > :35:04.bleed. We will consider all other options, including the support given

:35:05. > :35:09.by the Government, and then we will take any decision. On the matter of

:35:10. > :35:14.the support given by the Government, has that been sufficient, in your

:35:15. > :35:19.opinion? We have been in constant positive dialogue with the

:35:20. > :35:24.Government. We do see that there is an emerging awareness that there is

:35:25. > :35:31.more that needs to be done and can be done than what has been done in

:35:32. > :35:36.the past. Such as what? The energy rebates, for example, that have come

:35:37. > :35:40.in in the past, that has been helpful, the transformation plan,

:35:41. > :35:43.also helpful in Port Talbot, but it does not take away from the

:35:44. > :35:50.structural weaknesses we suffer in the UK. We do have structural

:35:51. > :35:55.weaknesses such as business rates, costs which are much higher, and to

:35:56. > :35:58.give you an example, if we were at the same editors do price as

:35:59. > :36:05.Germany, the UK system would be better off by ?40 million. We would

:36:06. > :36:08.not be having negative numbers. That is interesting, what he is saying

:36:09. > :36:12.there is the support the Government is already announced isn't quite

:36:13. > :36:16.enough in his view to make those viable. A very interesting point

:36:17. > :36:21.about energy prices in Germany, there are half the price they are

:36:22. > :36:24.here to heavy intensive users like that. So the fact that the

:36:25. > :36:33.Government should be doing more, has to do more or less a buyer cannot be

:36:34. > :36:40.found, in which point, Bimlendra Jha says that it will have to go. And is

:36:41. > :36:52.there Areola stick chance of saving all of Tata Steel -- a realistic

:36:53. > :36:57.chance? It is very hard to imagine Port Talbot and the rest of the Tata

:36:58. > :37:04.operation surviving in its current form. The difficult bit to solve is

:37:05. > :37:07.the old blast furnaces. Those are where the fundamentals, the cheap

:37:08. > :37:11.steel from overseas, the high business rates, all combine to make

:37:12. > :37:16.that a very difficult business to make viable, so it doesn't look

:37:17. > :37:20.great. Tata have said they have got until next week the people to put in

:37:21. > :37:22.expressions of interest. You then have to have a more binding

:37:23. > :37:27.commitment by the end of me which could slip into June. Abel who think

:37:28. > :37:30.they can make this work had better get their skates on, and the

:37:31. > :37:36.Government needs to think quite hard about what it can do. Simon Jack,

:37:37. > :37:38.thank you very much indeed. Some doctors say that

:37:39. > :37:41.you should be encouraged to use e-cigarettes

:37:42. > :37:42.to help you quit because they are

:37:43. > :37:51.better than conventional cigarettes. The message has been confusing.

:37:52. > :37:55.E-cigarettes help you quit smoking, but could they harm you in other

:37:56. > :37:59.ways. Now doctors tell us to put aside concerns because they are so

:38:00. > :38:04.much better than cigarettes. The Royal College of Surgeons says

:38:05. > :38:08.smokers should be encouraged to vape.

:38:09. > :38:10.Here to discuss those findings is Dr John Britain

:38:11. > :38:12.from the Royal College of Physicians, along

:38:13. > :38:15.with Sarah Jakes, who quit smoking three years ago and now used

:38:16. > :38:17.e-cigarettes, and Joanna Miller who works with smokers

:38:18. > :38:31.Thank you for joining us. John, how confident are you that vaping is

:38:32. > :38:35.actually save? There have been a lot of stories out there, that they have

:38:36. > :38:42.trialled it with mice, and mice have had breathing difficulties. Are you

:38:43. > :38:45.sure that it is safe? Nothing is absolutely safe. What we conclude in

:38:46. > :38:49.the report, and one of the reasons for bringing the report out, to look

:38:50. > :38:54.at this issue. Long-term, electronic cigarettes probably do have some

:38:55. > :38:58.adverse effects, but the magnitude is extremely small. What effects?

:38:59. > :39:03.The likely effects would be an increased risk of chronic

:39:04. > :39:06.obstructive pulmonary disease, possibly cardiovascular disease or

:39:07. > :39:14.risk of cancer. That sounds pretty grim to me. That sounds like it, but

:39:15. > :39:19.the size of the increase in risk is much, much smaller than with tobacco

:39:20. > :39:24.smoking. If you are a nonuser of nicotine, it makes no sense to start

:39:25. > :39:27.using an electronic cigarette, but if you are a smoker, it is

:39:28. > :39:32.no-brainer to switch because the risk is lower. Sarah, you did

:39:33. > :39:38.switch? It was a no-brainer. I smoked 20 cigarettes a day, on and

:39:39. > :39:44.off for 34 years before I bought a refillable type device just to use

:39:45. > :39:50.in my car, and within two weeks, I had switched. Is that because you

:39:51. > :39:54.thought, I have got to stop smoking? At the time, I wasn't looking to

:39:55. > :39:58.quit. I just thought the device to use in my car. I had tried to give

:39:59. > :40:02.up several times before, and several times successfully, but giving up

:40:03. > :40:07.smoking is the easy bit, the hard bit is staying off them, not going

:40:08. > :40:14.back to it. Joanna, the question mark in my head about e-cigarettes

:40:15. > :40:19.is, are they still addictive, and don't they contain nicotine? So is

:40:20. > :40:24.this progress? Elektra next ago Reds do contain codeine. These days you

:40:25. > :40:31.can also get a electronic cigarettes without nicotine or with extremely

:40:32. > :40:38.low nicotine content. Ashworth and electronic cigarettes do contain

:40:39. > :40:44.nicotine. I would say that with time, they could move on to lower

:40:45. > :40:53.doses. What is wrong with cold turkey, just quit? It is quite a

:40:54. > :40:57.difficult thing, and you also experience withdrawal symptoms from

:40:58. > :41:03.withdrawing from nicotine. There is evidence to suggest that if you

:41:04. > :41:10.consider may be having some help in quitting smoking in terms of coming

:41:11. > :41:13.to a clinic like the Stop Smoking service that I work out, and you

:41:14. > :41:19.have behavioural support, that can help you more successfully quit

:41:20. > :41:23.smoking, and if you have different types of medication, or nicotine

:41:24. > :41:26.replacement products along the way, that can increase your chances even

:41:27. > :41:32.further. John, do you think the Government should promote

:41:33. > :41:36.e-cigarettes if the health risks are so much less? Should they actually

:41:37. > :41:42.aggressively say, think about changing. We would like to see a

:41:43. > :41:45.change in the way that all nicotine products are regulated and

:41:46. > :41:48.recommended by Governments and health authorities in such a way

:41:49. > :41:54.that the pressure is always to move away from smoking tobacco. If you

:41:55. > :41:58.are going to use nicotine, inhaling tobacco smoke is the most dangerous

:41:59. > :42:03.way you could possibly do it, so we want to encourage people to switch,

:42:04. > :42:05.ideally to medicinal products and behavioural support, but if that

:42:06. > :42:10.doesn't work for them or they don't feel ready for that, then an

:42:11. > :42:15.electronic cigarette. Do you know how many people use e-cigarettes? Is

:42:16. > :42:23.it a tiny number of smokers, or is it beginning to build up? There are

:42:24. > :42:29.over 2 million... 2 million? ! To varying degrees. There are 9 million

:42:30. > :42:35.smokers. It would be good if the figure was higher. And Sarah, do you

:42:36. > :42:42.suppose there were over, time when you just take the e-cigarette, chuck

:42:43. > :42:48.it out and give it couple together, or are you now addicted to that? I

:42:49. > :42:52.was always dependent on nicotine, so I probably still am, but the

:42:53. > :42:55.dependency is lower, but answer your question, I think probably for me,

:42:56. > :43:00.it wouldn't be the right thing to do to ditch my e-cigarette, because

:43:01. > :43:11.past six periods of quitting tells me that then I will relapse probably

:43:12. > :43:16.to smoking. I presume you have tried patches, gum, any use? Know, and

:43:17. > :43:21.every time I gave up with any degree of success, it was cold turkey, I

:43:22. > :43:27.have to say. Joanna, if e-cigarettes are the way to get people off

:43:28. > :43:31.smoking, and 2 million, I am surprised at the figure. Is your

:43:32. > :43:37.sense that this is the way to crack the issue of smoking addiction and

:43:38. > :43:41.the health risks that go with it? Is this the answer? I would be

:43:42. > :43:46.reluctant to say it is the answer. Every person is different, and the

:43:47. > :43:51.way that they stop smoking should be tailored to their individual needs.

:43:52. > :43:55.I think they probably find an method, something new on the market

:43:56. > :43:58.that hasn't been there before, and it most closely mimics the actions

:43:59. > :44:04.and feelings of smoking, so it can be quite an easy switch. That is the

:44:05. > :44:08.thing about it, it is the appeal. And there are so varied within

:44:09. > :44:14.themselves, people can always find something they want. We have some

:44:15. > :44:18.e-mails to read. Graham says, I was smoking at age 15, I tried to give

:44:19. > :44:22.up many times using patches and prescribed medicines, but always

:44:23. > :44:27.went back to them. I finally stopped smoking last May after my daughter

:44:28. > :44:30.bought me an e-cigarette. And Victoria: I find it unbelievable

:44:31. > :44:34.that the findings are still showing that e-cigarettes are only used the

:44:35. > :44:39.people who want to stop smoking. It is my opinion that it has made

:44:40. > :44:42.smoking acceptable again. That is an interesting point. It might have the

:44:43. > :44:48.reverse effect, suddenly it is socially OK to have a blast on an

:44:49. > :44:51.e-cigarette? The evidence is that people who use a electronic

:44:52. > :44:56.cigarettes are almost entirely people who would otherwise be

:44:57. > :45:00.smoking. So you could also argue that seeing people using electronic

:45:01. > :45:06.cigarettes in public places normalising the act of not smoking,

:45:07. > :45:10.but using an electronic cigarettes. On a risk spectrum, that is a far

:45:11. > :45:14.less hazardous as thing to see. And this e-mail I thought was

:45:15. > :45:18.interesting from Tony. Having stopped smoking for the past few

:45:19. > :45:21.months, I find it really disgusting the e-cigarettes are allowed to be

:45:22. > :45:25.smoked in public places. I was walking along outside Westminster

:45:26. > :45:29.the other day, and this guy in front of me was like a steam train with

:45:30. > :45:35.smoke billowing out of him. Do you find that people actually don't like

:45:36. > :45:41.it, even though it is an e-cigarette? People do. I think

:45:42. > :45:46.there is an etiquette needs to develop around this. It is basically

:45:47. > :45:52.manners. You don't blow stuffing people's faces. I have a little

:45:53. > :45:56.device on the table there, which is incapable of creating clouds, so I

:45:57. > :46:00.physically couldn't annoy anybody like that with that, but I have got

:46:01. > :46:06.devices that will do that, you just have to be careful when and who is

:46:07. > :46:10.around you when you use it. And another e-mail, we're getting a lot

:46:11. > :46:15.on this. Julie says, I went from smoking more than 50 a day, goodness

:46:16. > :46:21.me, to five per day over night when I picked up my first e-cigarette

:46:22. > :46:25.over two years ago. If vaping were banned or curtailed, I would be back

:46:26. > :46:31.on the fags as quickly as I dropped them. Joanna, is vaping on the

:46:32. > :46:36.growth just here, or is this worldwide, that there is now a move

:46:37. > :46:41.from smoking cigarettes to e-cigarettes? Are way ahead of

:46:42. > :46:53.everyone else or just in-line? I am not sure about the statistics,

:46:54. > :46:58.I would say it is quite on the rise in Western countries, I am not sure,

:46:59. > :47:01.John? UK is well ahead of most countries in the world and we have a

:47:02. > :47:06.high take-up of e-cigarettes because we haven't had the additions or

:47:07. > :47:12.other restrictions on their sale. Other countries are close, but some,

:47:13. > :47:17.Australia for example, prohibit use, and I think that is bad for Public

:47:18. > :47:18.health in those countries. Very interesting, thank you. We

:47:19. > :47:25.appreciate it. You've also been sending

:47:26. > :47:28.us your reaction to this report from a group of MPs that kids

:47:29. > :47:33.in care with mental health issues Tweet from David -

:47:34. > :47:37.Every school should have a qualified mental health first aider to support

:47:38. > :47:40.students with mental health issues. Tweet from Russ -

:47:41. > :47:42.There are children in care being ignored, their wishes

:47:43. > :47:43.and feelings denied, this all has an impact

:47:44. > :47:48.on their mental health. Tweet from Beverley -

:47:49. > :47:50.Worked with kids in care, requested mental health training

:47:51. > :47:52.from my employer, retired 18 years Tweet from Misty -

:47:53. > :48:09.I was a failed looked after child. I got no help then and had

:48:10. > :48:13.to give my own son counselling Watching discussion on mental

:48:14. > :48:17.health in care. As a sexually abused victim myself

:48:18. > :48:20.it's good to see this Tweet from Ness - Good foster

:48:21. > :48:37.carers are SO important Earlier we heard from Daniel Harris

:48:38. > :48:43.who spent time in care and has been diagnosed with post to Maddox does

:48:44. > :48:47.disorder and bipolar disorder. He talked of his experiences with the

:48:48. > :48:52.system and I asked about the support he had received. I wasn't offered

:48:53. > :48:56.any. It's quite sad. It's taken me 25 years to get a diagnosis. I've

:48:57. > :49:00.just gone through a process which many kids who leave care nowadays go

:49:01. > :49:05.through, you can get access to your historic files, by getting that

:49:06. > :49:08.access to my historic files, what I found was, is actually written

:49:09. > :49:14.within my files that there was no funding available, and while this is

:49:15. > :49:17.historic, I am really worried about some of the cuts that are being

:49:18. > :49:23.pushed by the government at the moment and how this will affect some

:49:24. > :49:28.of today's care leavers. What exactly happened to you? I was

:49:29. > :49:33.sexually abused. My mother and father were previously looked after

:49:34. > :49:36.children so we were considered a valuable family. Part of the

:49:37. > :49:41.safeguarding of children is that I was taken into care on a temporary

:49:42. > :49:46.basis. And this happened throughout my life. But I had a really good

:49:47. > :49:52.care experience. I had some really good foster parents and I have some

:49:53. > :49:58.really good memories of that. Daniel mentioned funding, is it bluntly and

:49:59. > :50:04.issue of resources? We know that in the austerity and there has been

:50:05. > :50:08.continual cutting back, is it about austerity or awareness? Above, I'd

:50:09. > :50:14.say, we know that historically mental health has been given 0.7% of

:50:15. > :50:18.the NHS budget despite the fact that one in three GP visits this for a

:50:19. > :50:21.mental health issue. Because mental health cannot be seen it is not

:50:22. > :50:30.considered urgent. This is a organisation called the Foyer in

:50:31. > :50:34.Braintree, which looks after young adults who are homeless, gives them

:50:35. > :50:38.a place to sleep, teaches them social skills, cookery, skills for

:50:39. > :50:43.their resume, that is in danger of being closed by the local council. I

:50:44. > :50:46.can think of 200 things in Essex that I'd sacrifice before I

:50:47. > :50:50.sacrificed that. But because most of the time we don't hear from young

:50:51. > :50:56.people like this disease and to ignore them so well done for having

:50:57. > :51:00.this young man on the show. Ministers, again and again, stressed

:51:01. > :51:04.that mental health has been given increased priority so how can this

:51:05. > :51:07.happen at a time when the government is repeatedly trying to turn the

:51:08. > :51:13.attention from physical well-being to mental well-being. I think in the

:51:14. > :51:16.last five years we've seen a tremendous change in society about

:51:17. > :51:19.attitudes towards mental health. Much greater willingness for people

:51:20. > :51:24.to talk about it in public and share their stories. That is beginning, I

:51:25. > :51:27.stress, beginning, to change political attitudes, to get

:51:28. > :51:32.politicians to see this as a priority but it is hard work to

:51:33. > :51:36.shift the funding. That is the point we've reached come you cannot talk

:51:37. > :51:39.in public about mental health being a priority if you don't back up your

:51:40. > :51:46.actions by the level of funding it attracts. Daniel, you nodding. I've

:51:47. > :51:51.read the report and I want to stress that it says that 50% of children in

:51:52. > :51:55.care or leaving care have mental health disorders at the moment. And

:51:56. > :52:00.these are going pretty much and diagnosed. One thing I saw in the

:52:01. > :52:06.report which is going the right way is that there is support for looked

:52:07. > :52:10.after children until the age of 25, pretty much. That is the

:52:11. > :52:14.recommendation put in place. I am passionate about kids in care

:52:15. > :52:20.getting the right support. Let's face it, 23% of adult prisoners have

:52:21. > :52:24.been in care. That's 21,000 people currently in the prison system that

:52:25. > :52:27.were in care. We need to start asking questions as a society, why

:52:28. > :52:30.are we allowing this? OK. Facebook's profits have tripled

:52:31. > :52:33.in the first quarter of 2016, with a big rise in income

:52:34. > :52:35.from mobile phone advertising credited

:52:36. > :52:37.with driving its performance. We can talk to Eleni Marouli,

:52:38. > :52:52.an advertising analyst What is going on here? Facebook is

:52:53. > :52:56.outpacing all of its peers and showed massive growth in the first

:52:57. > :53:02.quarter which is traditionally very weak in advertising. Growing to $5.2

:53:03. > :53:07.billion in advertising revenue, massive growth from mobile if you

:53:08. > :53:16.think that in 2012, $0 came from mobile revenue and now they have

:53:17. > :53:22.created a market of $13 billion. In 2015 so much revenue came from

:53:23. > :53:26.Facebook and of online advertising revenue will be mobile which puts

:53:27. > :53:31.Facebook in a good place to succeed long-term. I thought Facebook was

:53:32. > :53:35.beginning to fade in popularity. I know, talking to my kids, it doesn't

:53:36. > :53:40.seem to have a central place in their life which it used to have. So

:53:41. > :53:47.mobile phones have rescued Facebook, in a way. If you look at the

:53:48. > :53:51.engagement Facebook has, it's higher, and we measure that by daily

:53:52. > :53:57.active users compared with monthly active users. Family people use

:53:58. > :54:01.Facebook, it's going up because of the mobiles. Now it will be

:54:02. > :54:07.expanding into video content and advertising. The first time it can

:54:08. > :54:09.be streamed live and seen on an entertainment network in North

:54:10. > :54:15.America which is very attractive to the bigger brand of advertisers.

:54:16. > :54:21.Tell me about its audiences. It is still overwhelmingly younger folk

:54:22. > :54:29.all our oldies like me clambering onto it as well. -- or our oldies

:54:30. > :54:34.like me joining it? It appeals to all age groups. Its main currency is

:54:35. > :54:39.that it can identify those online and mobile users, something very

:54:40. > :54:45.hard to do in an age of a lot of ad fraud, so that is its main currency.

:54:46. > :54:51.Mobile phones have changed everything in terms of social media

:54:52. > :54:54.and its profitability and viability. Absolutely, mobile is no longer an

:54:55. > :54:59.afterthought, it is the main way advertisers think about Digital Mono

:55:00. > :55:04.tries Asian, and going forward what Facebook is betting on is the future

:55:05. > :55:11.of messaging apps. Which explains its big acquisition of WhatsApp, and

:55:12. > :55:15.also Virtual reality, we are waiting to view more about the future of

:55:16. > :55:21.that. A question and maybe unfair, where does Twitter fit in this? In

:55:22. > :55:25.the rivalry between Twitter and Facebook who uses Twitter and who

:55:26. > :55:31.uses Facebook and which is the more lucrative, looking forward? It is

:55:32. > :55:33.not a fair comparison, Facebook and Twitter are different propositions

:55:34. > :55:39.with different goals. Different starting points. Twitter had its

:55:40. > :55:43.results announced earlier this week as well, slightly below expectations

:55:44. > :55:48.although still robust growth in a traditionally weak quarter. That is

:55:49. > :55:51.expired 5% is very decent growth. The struggle with Twitter has been

:55:52. > :55:56.committed getting to investors what its value is. It held on to the

:55:57. > :56:00.similar magic of monthly active users which hasn't gone well. I

:56:01. > :56:05.think it added 5 million users in the first quarter which is very

:56:06. > :56:08.small. But it has this massive audience of about 5 million people

:56:09. > :56:19.which takes it up to billions of monthly active users which is quite

:56:20. > :56:22.serious audience. Thank you. I find it quite infuriating when someone is

:56:23. > :56:26.walking down the street looking at their mobile phone and expect you to

:56:27. > :56:31.get out of the way! Come on, guys, you are the one looking at your

:56:32. > :56:34.phone! More of your comments. Mark says that e-cigarettes should be

:56:35. > :56:46.taxed at the same rate as normal cigarettes.

:56:47. > :56:52.Brian says that he gave up smoking and his health has improved

:56:53. > :56:57.massively. Jennifer says excuses made by people who don't give up

:56:58. > :57:04.smoking but shift to e-cigarettes just annoys me. She says she smoked

:57:05. > :57:09.for 20 years and gave up cold turkey and has not smoked since. Yes, there

:57:10. > :57:15.were withdrawal symptoms, she says, but I dealt with them at home! David

:57:16. > :57:19.said, I used to smoke 30 cigarettes a day, switched to e-cigarettes and

:57:20. > :57:22.haven't looked back. You are emphasising the nicotine levels, yet

:57:23. > :57:27.it is the carcinogen is in cigarettes that number the thousands

:57:28. > :57:28.that caused the problems, the water vapour does not have those

:57:29. > :57:38.carcinogens. Thank you so much for your input

:57:39. > :57:44.into this programme because it is your e-mails and tweets that help us

:57:45. > :57:48.and it is great to have your input into all the different bits and bobs

:57:49. > :57:53.we have been discussing. Keep in touch any time through social media,

:57:54. > :58:00.of course. Maybe you are using Facebook now! This is the hashtag to

:58:01. > :58:01.use, and don't forget the old ancient website, it sounds old

:58:02. > :58:14.school but you can still use it! Joanna will be presenting tomorrow,

:58:15. > :58:18.so normal service tomorrow, have a tiptop day. Cheerio!