04/05/2016

:00:00. > :00:21.A year ago many considered him a political joke. Now Donald Trump is

:00:22. > :00:26.the Republican Party's nominee. It followed a knock-out punch against

:00:27. > :00:32.his closest rival Ted Cruz leading him to pulling out of the race.

:00:33. > :00:38.Laura Trevelyan was at the Cruz rally.

:00:39. > :00:45.Thank you to each of you. Winning again. You will be so proud of this

:00:46. > :00:51.country, very, very soon. The parents of a two-year-old who

:00:52. > :00:53.died of meningitis B accused the Government of ignoring their

:00:54. > :00:57.campaign to protect all under fives with the vaccine. We will be talking

:00:58. > :01:00.to the parents shortly. David Cameron is being urged again to take

:01:01. > :01:04.in more children fleeing the war in Syria. This time from a man who was

:01:05. > :01:06.a child refugee himself. We will talk to him in the next half

:01:07. > :01:15.an hour. Welcome to the programme,

:01:16. > :01:20.we're live until 11am. If you're getting in touch,

:01:21. > :01:25.do use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

:01:26. > :01:28.at the standard network rate. Our top story today is that

:01:29. > :01:32.Donald Trump is now all but certain to become the Republican Party's

:01:33. > :01:34.candidate for US president. His main rival, Ted Cruz,

:01:35. > :01:37.pulled out of the race last night after losing heavily in the party's

:01:38. > :01:39.primary election in Mr Cruz told supporters there was no

:01:40. > :01:46.viable path forward Mr Trump now seems certain to win

:01:47. > :01:50.a majority of the delegates to the Republican Party's convention

:01:51. > :01:52.in July, which will officially Laura Trevelyan

:01:53. > :01:56.reports from Indiana. Thank you to each of

:01:57. > :02:01.you and God bless you. Indiana is known as the crossroads

:02:02. > :02:04.of America and so it proved for Ted Cruz's campaign to stop

:02:05. > :02:07.Donald Trump from becoming Trump's victory in this fiscally

:02:08. > :02:12.and socially conservative state left Losing here in Indiana

:02:13. > :02:20.was a devastating blow to Ted Cruz and to the immense disappointment

:02:21. > :02:23.of his supporters here tonight, We gave it everything we've got,

:02:24. > :02:34.but the voters chose another path. And so with a heavy heart,

:02:35. > :02:39.but with boundless optimism, for the long-term future

:02:40. > :02:47.of our nation, we are We have to know how to win

:02:48. > :02:55.and we haven't won. We've been losing all the time.

:02:56. > :02:57.We lose with our military. We can't beat Isis.

:02:58. > :02:59.We lose with trade. We lose with borders.

:03:00. > :03:01.We lose with everything. We're not going to lose,

:03:02. > :03:05.we're going to start winning again In a night of upsets,

:03:06. > :03:12.Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in Indiana,

:03:13. > :03:15.but she still has a big enough lead in delegates

:03:16. > :03:18.that she is virtually certain to be Her loss though is a reminder

:03:19. > :03:23.is a reminder of how she is weak Now Republican leaders are calling

:03:24. > :03:28.for their divided party to unite behind Donald Trump against Mrs

:03:29. > :03:29.Clinton. The stage is set for a bruising

:03:30. > :03:46.battle for the White House. Well, Nick Bryant was at Donald

:03:47. > :03:48.Trump's rally in New York and says the Republican race is pretty much

:03:49. > :03:56.over. The chequered flag has been waved by

:03:57. > :04:00.the chairman of the chairman of the national committee. He is calling

:04:01. > :04:03.Donald Trump the nominee. He is calling for the party to unite.

:04:04. > :04:13.Donald Trump's only serious rival, Ted Cruz dropped out. The only

:04:14. > :04:18.person left is so way behind he stands no chance of getting the

:04:19. > :04:22.nomination. His only attempt was to force a contested conversion. Donald

:04:23. > :04:27.Trump will get the delegates he needs. There won't be a contested

:04:28. > :04:37.convention. He is the nominee. It started here, of course, in Trump

:04:38. > :04:38.Tower in June last year. People saw him as a big ego with little chance.

:04:39. > :04:42.Well, he has proved virtually everybody wrong. Indeed, he entered

:04:43. > :04:45.this atrium at Trump Tower expressing self-doubts about

:04:46. > :04:51.himself. Telling his wife that he might fall flat on his face. Well,

:04:52. > :04:56.he didn't fall flat on his face. He has got the Republican presidential

:04:57. > :04:59.nomination. Nick Bryant reporting.

:05:00. > :05:01.Joanna Gosling's in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:05:02. > :05:05.Canadian authorities have ordered the evacuation of the entire

:05:06. > :05:08.population of a city in the province of Alberta because

:05:09. > :05:11.80,000 people have been told to leave, as fires whipped

:05:12. > :05:13.up by winds engulfed homes and main roads,

:05:14. > :05:15.and sent ash raining down on residents.

:05:16. > :05:18.The wildfires spread quickly and without warning causing traffic

:05:19. > :05:20.chaos and quickly entering the city of Fort McMurray, not far

:05:21. > :05:27.from the oilfields in the western province of Alberta.

:05:28. > :05:30.Dry conditions and winds suddenly fanned the flames into what one fire

:05:31. > :05:45.The traffic gridlock at times made it difficult at times

:05:46. > :05:47.The traffic gridlock at times made it difficult

:05:48. > :05:49.for fire services to get to where they needed to.

:05:50. > :05:52.An entire trailer park was destroyed as were several houses.

:05:53. > :05:54.And patients and staff were forced out of Fort

:05:55. > :06:00.It's a disaster. It's not fair.

:06:01. > :06:02.They didn't let us take our things when we asked them.

:06:03. > :06:10.Fire crews dropped water bombs from above, but with little effect.

:06:11. > :06:12.The military is expected to join the fight against the flames.

:06:13. > :06:23.It's the largest wildfire evacuation in the Canadian province's history.

:06:24. > :06:25.Briar Stewart is a reporter with the Canadian broadcaster

:06:26. > :06:27.CBC in Fort McMurray, and has been forced

:06:28. > :06:38.It is started really this afternoon. Thick black smoke as the fire just

:06:39. > :06:41.grew so rapidly and it is a very hot day here today. It was about 30

:06:42. > :06:44.Celsius and it was windy. So officials knew that today was going

:06:45. > :06:49.to be a challenging day, but the fire chief told me he didn't expect

:06:50. > :06:54.anything like this. It was about mid-afternoon that the winds just

:06:55. > :06:58.whipped up the fire. The fire went over highway 63 which is the main

:06:59. > :07:01.thoroughfare and because it crossed the highway, it made it very

:07:02. > :07:06.difficult for people who were trying to get from one side of the city to

:07:07. > :07:10.another. People really started to understand just how things were

:07:11. > :07:14.deteriorating and so dramatically when they started seeing, you know,

:07:15. > :07:19.gas stations explode and saw the flames just right along the side of

:07:20. > :07:22.the highway. That's when the massive evacuation began and it was gridlock

:07:23. > :07:27.there for sometime as people tried to get out of the city. A lot of

:07:28. > :07:32.people headed south towards the city of Edmonton, but there are some that

:07:33. > :07:34.headed north and they're staying at some lodges that normally

:07:35. > :07:38.houseworkers that work in the oil sands, but tonight, they are housing

:07:39. > :07:50.evacuees. The court ruled the new EU directive

:07:51. > :07:55.on ta bobbing kae products is valid. The UK Government will be able to

:07:56. > :07:58.introduce plain packaging for all tobacco products from the end of

:07:59. > :08:03.May. We will have more on that later in the programme.

:08:04. > :08:05.The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling

:08:06. > :08:11.of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks.

:08:12. > :08:14.Has a "severe problem" and warns in an article in the Daily Telegraph

:08:15. > :08:17.that it will get worse if the recently announced inquiry

:08:18. > :08:19.into the issue was used as "sticking plaster" to placate voters.

:08:20. > :08:23.Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer

:08:24. > :08:26.phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care.

:08:27. > :08:31.Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust since her son.

:08:32. > :08:35.Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust since her son

:08:36. > :08:39.Connor Sparrowhawk drowned in a bath at one of its units in Oxfordshire.

:08:40. > :08:42.A woman who claimed she worked for the mental health provider

:08:43. > :08:44.called Dr Ryan's office on the day that the regulator,

:08:45. > :08:46.the Care Quality Commission issued a report criticising the Trust.

:08:47. > :08:54.This is the message that was left. It is awful that I lost him. I think

:08:55. > :09:01.that you are being very vindictive. You are a vindictive cow. You are on

:09:02. > :09:03.TV all the time. The Trust says it is concerned about

:09:04. > :09:06.the abusive phone call. David Cameron's facing more pressure

:09:07. > :09:08.to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

:09:09. > :09:11.refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been

:09:12. > :09:13.made by Sir Eric Reich, who chairs a group of former Jewish

:09:14. > :09:16.refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called

:09:17. > :09:21.Kindertransport on the eve Ministers argue that offering

:09:22. > :09:25.sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

:09:26. > :09:28.into the hands of traffickers. Our assistant political editor

:09:29. > :09:37.Norman Smith is at Westminster. How much pressure is the Government

:09:38. > :09:40.under over this, Norman? Intense pressure Joanna and there is a lot

:09:41. > :09:46.of expectation here that Mr Cameron will have to back down. Pressure

:09:47. > :09:49.compounded by this letter from the association of Jewish refugees

:09:50. > :09:53.urging Mr Cameron to show compassion and stressing that child refugees

:09:54. > :09:57.are not a burden on the State they come to, he cites the chinter

:09:58. > :10:01.children many of whom have settle here and become prominent business

:10:02. > :10:04.leaders and famous writers and artists and urging Mr Cameron to

:10:05. > :10:08.adopt the same approach to Syrian refugees. Now, this afternoon, the

:10:09. > :10:11.Home Office Minister, James Brokenshire will meet Conservative

:10:12. > :10:14.rebels around 30 of whom are threatening to vote against Mr

:10:15. > :10:20.Cameron when this comes to the Commons on Monday to try and hammer

:10:21. > :10:25.out some deal and the compromise Mr Cameron appears to be looking at is

:10:26. > :10:28.beefing up the existing rules whereby refugee children can ask for

:10:29. > :10:32.asylum in Britain, if they've got relatives here. And what the

:10:33. > :10:37.Government seem to be proposing is, making sure that that is done more

:10:38. > :10:41.speedily and swiftly, that more resources are thrown in processing

:10:42. > :10:44.that, so more children get to come and relaxing the rules so you can

:10:45. > :10:49.come in if a member of your extended family is here. The doubts remain

:10:50. > :10:53.though whether that will be anywhere near enough to satisfy Mr Cameron's

:10:54. > :10:57.critics and avoid defeat in that vote on Monday. Thank you, Norman.

:10:58. > :11:00.Police have begun digging in the garden of a couple

:11:01. > :11:04.who were friends with serial killers Fred and Rose West in the 1980s.

:11:05. > :11:06.David and Pauline Williams were jailed last year for a series

:11:07. > :11:08.of offences against ten boys and girls including rape,

:11:09. > :11:11.Officers say they began the investigation of the couple's

:11:12. > :11:20.home in the village of Bradninch, in Devon, after a tip-off.

:11:21. > :11:22.People in the Cornish town of St Ives will decide today

:11:23. > :11:24.whether to back a plan to prevent non-residents buying

:11:25. > :11:28.The area's popularity has seen property prices more

:11:29. > :11:31.Many residents say they've been priced out of the market.

:11:32. > :11:34.The new neighbourhood plan would prevent new build property

:11:35. > :11:36.from being sold to anyone who doesn't live in the town.

:11:37. > :11:42.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:11:43. > :11:50.Here's some sport now with Jessica, and it isn't

:11:51. > :12:00.Sorry Leicester fans, there is other football news around today!

:12:01. > :12:03.Manchester City are on the brink of their first Champions League final.

:12:04. > :12:05.They've got 90 minutes of football to play yet,

:12:06. > :12:08.but a score-draw is all they need against Real Madrid to make

:12:09. > :12:10.history at the Bernabeu, after the nil-nil draw last week.

:12:11. > :12:16.City will have to contend with Cristiano Ronaldo,

:12:17. > :12:20.of course, who has been passed fit to play.

:12:21. > :12:28.I don't think Real Madrid just has Cristiano Ronaldo. They have other

:12:29. > :12:37.options. The most important thing is we have our mind thinking that we

:12:38. > :12:37.must defend and attacking, not against Cristiano Ronaldo, but

:12:38. > :12:40.against Real Madrid. And City already know who they'll

:12:41. > :12:43.opponents will be if they win. Even though Atletico lost

:12:44. > :12:46.to Bayern Munich last night, they're Antoine Griezemann with

:12:47. > :12:57.the crucial strike. It is just 48 hours after Leicester

:12:58. > :13:02.City's historic Premier League title. And their boss, Claudio

:13:03. > :13:05.Ranieri, had to issue a hands off my champs warning to other clubs on the

:13:06. > :13:11.Times, "Leave and you'll regret it." Here they are, still

:13:12. > :13:15.jumping, still celebrating. Ranieri is expecting offers

:13:16. > :13:17.from top clubs around Europe for his newly crowned champions,

:13:18. > :13:20.but wants his players to stay at the club and continue the hard

:13:21. > :13:29.work they've put in. I feel good. It was an amazing

:13:30. > :13:35.achievement for me, for the lads, for the chairman, for our fans.

:13:36. > :13:40.Something special. I want to stay here for a long time. We had the

:13:41. > :13:45.project. We want to continue this project. I know the next season, it

:13:46. > :13:48.will be harder, but we are ready to fight. We are fighters.

:13:49. > :13:59.He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters.

:14:00. > :14:00.It wasn't exactly plain sailing

:14:01. > :14:04.He took the first set on a tie break, then lost the second

:14:05. > :14:07.But Stepanek faded in the third set and Murray goes

:14:08. > :14:12.The Olympic flame has arrived in Brazil for the start of a torch

:14:13. > :14:15.relay around the country before the opening of the

:14:16. > :14:18.The flame was flown to the capital Brasilia inside a small lantern

:14:19. > :14:25.The torch will be carried through 300 cities before

:14:26. > :14:38.Can you believe it, Victoria, just 93 days until the start of the

:14:39. > :14:42.Games? It just seems like dwred when it was London 2012.

:14:43. > :14:47.Thank you very much, Jessica. More sport later on.

:14:48. > :14:50.We will also bring you a full weather forecast before 10am.

:14:51. > :14:56.The parents of a toddler who died from meningitis B have hit out

:14:57. > :15:03.at the Government for "flippantly ignoring" their campaign to protect

:15:04. > :15:10.This pictures shows two-year-old Faye Burdett before she died.

:15:11. > :15:12.Her mum and dad, Jen and Neil Burdett, shared photos

:15:13. > :15:15.of her fighting for her life to raise awareness of the illness.

:15:16. > :15:18.The next image is upsetting and you may not want your children

:15:19. > :15:34.This photo showing Faye with a painful rash went viral.

:15:35. > :15:35.An e-petition calling for all children,

:15:36. > :15:37.not just babies, to be vaccinated from the disease

:15:38. > :15:39.became the biggest ever, supported by over 800,000 people.

:15:40. > :15:41.But ministers rejected their campaign as not cost-effective.

:15:42. > :15:48.Let's speak now to Jen and Neil Burdett.

:15:49. > :15:57.Why do you feel that the Government has flippantly ignored the campaign?

:15:58. > :16:04.To tell you the truth, I'm not too sure, because we feel a lot of

:16:05. > :16:11.evidence was given, and a lot of people back to us from MPs to the

:16:12. > :16:17.professionals, but for some reason, the answer they game that -- gave

:16:18. > :16:21.the end of all that was the same as the one they gave at the beginning?

:16:22. > :16:25.Do you think that they didn't listen, then? It would seem that

:16:26. > :16:29.way. If you took all the evidence that was given like a courtroom, the

:16:30. > :16:34.amount of evidence, the amount of support it got to give the vaccine,

:16:35. > :16:39.they just don't seem to have listened to any of it. It is cheaper

:16:40. > :16:45.for them to not give the vaccine and allow the programme to naturally

:16:46. > :16:49.roll-out for the next five years, the vaccination of inference, which

:16:50. > :16:53.would mean that in five years, all children up to the age of five are

:16:54. > :16:57.vaccinated. But it is just the call of how many people have to be maimed

:16:58. > :17:05.and die before that happens. It is too many. We think that for the

:17:06. > :17:16.process that it went through, they had professionals, they had asked

:17:17. > :17:20.us, everybody we spoke to agreed that the under fives should be

:17:21. > :17:23.protected. They are the most vulnerable group, the group that

:17:24. > :17:29.can't speak for themselves, they can't express or communicate what

:17:30. > :17:33.they are feeling going through. And as we found, medical professions

:17:34. > :17:39.struggled to diagnose it, it hides itself well, disguised as other

:17:40. > :17:44.viruses. We just felt that they are left so vulnerable, the only thing

:17:45. > :17:48.that you can do is to vaccinate them, that is the best protection.

:17:49. > :17:56.It is pretty stinging criticism from you. Do you feel angry, let down,

:17:57. > :18:01.how do you feel? Frustrated. We use the system that is put in place by

:18:02. > :18:05.the Government to voice everyone's opinion, and let them know what

:18:06. > :18:09.everyday people want and think, we use the system to its best ability,

:18:10. > :18:22.with the best petition that ever has been raised, and still it seemed

:18:23. > :18:30.like they were dotting their is and crossing their ts. From the amount

:18:31. > :18:33.of professionals that seemed to agree, we just don't understand how

:18:34. > :18:39.they could have looked at all of that evidence and still said no. How

:18:40. > :18:43.cost-effective is a child's life? But that is what they did, and what

:18:44. > :18:51.they are doing instead is launching an awareness campaign. Which

:18:52. > :18:54.Meningitis Now have been doing for 30 years, and asked putting our

:18:55. > :19:01.daughter's photograph Alt there did amazing awareness programme just

:19:02. > :19:06.because they saw what it can do, and the Government isn't just doing a

:19:07. > :19:11.Meningitis B programme, it is going to be a variation of programmes, so

:19:12. > :19:18.it is not specific to just our cause,... And the amount of what

:19:19. > :19:23.awareness we have raised already, and Meningitis Now continue to do

:19:24. > :19:27.theirs, we don't think this is enough. There is a vaccine, and it

:19:28. > :19:34.needs to be used for the most vulnerable. That was our driving

:19:35. > :19:37.force behind this. Is part of the issue from your own experience that

:19:38. > :19:43.it is difficult to diagnose? Hugely pro-. And the medical profession

:19:44. > :19:47.agree with that. They have perhaps ten children coming in like Faye,

:19:48. > :19:53.and nine of them have a viral infection, but it is the one that

:19:54. > :20:01.doesn't that it is destroying. And Faye was misdiagnosed initially by

:20:02. > :20:05.Dr? Yes, it was initially treated as a viral infection, and as parents we

:20:06. > :20:11.had never seen it, so after seeing three doctors, you take that as that

:20:12. > :20:15.is what is wrong with her. She is just ill. And if you have a healthy

:20:16. > :20:20.child, you have seen three doctors, you tend to believe them. Of course

:20:21. > :20:26.you do. There is nothing else you can do. But this as we saw from the

:20:27. > :20:32.photos you shared with people, this is an illness that rapidly can

:20:33. > :20:37.consume the child. Yes, and that is the problem, if it is misdiagnosed,

:20:38. > :20:40.as soon as the child becomes unwell, the clock starts ticking, and you

:20:41. > :20:45.don't have time to go backwards and forwards to your GP or the hospital.

:20:46. > :20:49.It needs to be seen, treated and dealt with just a slowdown the

:20:50. > :20:54.destruction of it, because children can survive this, but it is how they

:20:55. > :21:02.are left afterwards as well. It isn't just the children who die. We

:21:03. > :21:06.brought that up in the debate, the joint vaccination committee on

:21:07. > :21:10.immunisations, they said again if you look at it in terms of America

:21:11. > :21:13.when there is a suspected case, they take blood samples, they start

:21:14. > :21:18.treatment, if the blood comes back clear, they stop the treatment. Even

:21:19. > :21:22.they agreed if we adopted that in this country, you might as well

:21:23. > :21:26.vaccinate, because the amount of money it is going to cost to start

:21:27. > :21:32.treatment, to get a quick lot of blood Diamond back again,

:21:33. > :21:35.vaccination would be cheaper. And when you savour those who do

:21:36. > :21:40.survive, it is what happens afterwards, what you are referring

:21:41. > :21:44.to is that children can lose limbs, and you didn't feel that the cost of

:21:45. > :21:49.the NHS care after when a child survives is taken into account? Not

:21:50. > :21:53.effectively. They have a strange deduction system put in place, and

:21:54. > :21:56.that is what we would try to get them to look at, if they change

:21:57. > :22:01.that, it would be cost-effective, and lots of people have come forward

:22:02. > :22:06.and said it would be cost-effective. But again it is spending money to

:22:07. > :22:12.get them to look at it again, they don't feel it is worth it. They did

:22:13. > :22:18.mention that there was a report from the JVC I coming out in September,

:22:19. > :22:22.which is what the MPs told us after the debate, and they are hoping that

:22:23. > :22:28.in that, there is recommendation is to change that formula, to take it

:22:29. > :22:34.into account, the longer spell of disability that will be after, and

:22:35. > :22:38.if they change that, that would make it cost-effective. Can I ask you

:22:39. > :22:46.both about the decision you took at the end of Faye's life? We both knew

:22:47. > :22:52.quite early on when we found out that there was a vaccination to stop

:22:53. > :22:58.this happening, we both felt straightaway... We didn't know about

:22:59. > :23:01.it, it was something that had been out for six or seven months it had

:23:02. > :23:07.been available, and we didn't have a clue. That there was even a vaccine

:23:08. > :23:13.out there. So straightaway, we knew that people should know that there

:23:14. > :23:18.is a vaccine, and if you want to pay privately, you can go and do that.

:23:19. > :23:22.But we felt that not everybody can afford to go privately to do it,

:23:23. > :23:28.because it is expensive, and if you have two or three children, how do

:23:29. > :23:32.you choose what child you vaccinate? And because of the decision we made

:23:33. > :23:37.at the end of Faye's life, we never, ever want to imagine another family

:23:38. > :23:42.having to make the decision that we did. No parent should decide whether

:23:43. > :23:46.the kindest thing to do is to allow your child to die, because it caught

:23:47. > :23:50.a disease which it could be vaccinated against. That drove us

:23:51. > :23:58.forward, because we thought, we have to make people aware that you just

:23:59. > :24:00.can't ever imagine being put in that position, and you want to protect

:24:01. > :24:06.others from going through the same thing. So where does your campaign

:24:07. > :24:12.go now? We stress that people need to be vigilant of the signs. That is

:24:13. > :24:17.always the top priority. But also to listen to how you feel. If your

:24:18. > :24:22.child is an well to a degree that has never been that ill before, and

:24:23. > :24:27.you to a GP or paediatric octave, and they send you home, and your gut

:24:28. > :24:33.instinct says, this isn't right, from somebody who isn't that

:24:34. > :24:36.forceful, I say, you must push. You must ask the second opinions,

:24:37. > :24:41.because at the end of the day, time is of the essence. If you feel that

:24:42. > :24:47.your child is so out of character, you have to speak for them, because

:24:48. > :24:54.sadly, the doctors can't always diagnose this like they should. You

:24:55. > :24:56.can get cards from doctors surgeries, hospitals, schools,

:24:57. > :25:00.nurseries, and they have all the symptoms in there, the cold hands,

:25:01. > :25:08.the headaches, not wanting to be touched. Don't wait for the rash.

:25:09. > :25:15.And even if none of those symptoms are there, trust your own instincts

:25:16. > :25:22.and get them help. Because of our daughter only been two, people need

:25:23. > :25:26.to be aware that not just babies, toddlers but young children,

:25:27. > :25:33.teenagers, adult, we try to protect the youngest, because they have the

:25:34. > :25:37.highest fatality now, but if your teenager looks unwell and start

:25:38. > :25:41.acting strange, you have to do the same. And you could lose someone

:25:42. > :25:48.within 12 hours from this disease, it is horrendous. Thank you both

:25:49. > :25:49.very much for coming on the show. All the best with the campaign.

:25:50. > :25:52.Thank you. We got in touch with

:25:53. > :25:54.the Department of Health. they've asked Public Health England

:25:55. > :25:58.to develop a new national awareness campaign to help parents spot signs

:25:59. > :26:00.of dangerous infections like meningitis,

:26:01. > :26:03.sepsis and septicemia. They said they'd be working closely

:26:04. > :26:05.with charities and clinical experts to make this as effective

:26:06. > :26:08.as possible and to roll this out They also acknowledged that whilst

:26:09. > :26:18.nothing can make up for the loss of a child, this new campaign

:26:19. > :26:21.will build on the awareness already raised by the family who have

:26:22. > :26:24.bravely spoken out about David Cameron's facing more pressure

:26:25. > :26:30.to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

:26:31. > :26:31.refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been

:26:32. > :26:35.made by Sir Eric Reich, who chairs a group of former Jewish

:26:36. > :26:38.refugees who were allowed into the Ministers argue that offering

:26:39. > :26:48.sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

:26:49. > :27:08.into the hands of traffickers. Chantler George Osborne says that

:27:09. > :27:12.discussions are ongoing. Discussions are ongoing, and that is why we are

:27:13. > :27:16.taking people from the refugee camps, and working with others, with

:27:17. > :27:19.charities, with other political parties, talking to people about

:27:20. > :27:22.what we can do to help the unaccompanied children as well. We

:27:23. > :27:28.are already providing financial support. So those discussions will

:27:29. > :27:36.go on, and you will hear what we have got to say in due course. Let's

:27:37. > :27:40.talk now to Sir Eric Reich, who came as a refugee is a child in 1944 from

:27:41. > :27:41.Nazi occupied Europe. Tell us what you have said in your appeal to

:27:42. > :27:51.David Cameron. My main appeal is that they are

:27:52. > :27:55.unaccompanied children, they are in Europe, and Mr Cameron thinks they

:27:56. > :27:59.are safe, but they are not. They hide in woods, they hide from

:28:00. > :28:04.authorities, the girls are raped, they are in trafficking, all kinds

:28:05. > :28:09.of things, and 10,000 children have been lost, nobody knows where they

:28:10. > :28:14.are, so they are not safe. And my view is, given that I came on what

:28:15. > :28:20.was then called the Kindertransport, Britain should help a little bit

:28:21. > :28:28.more. Are you thinking about numbers? I don't think numbers is a

:28:29. > :28:33.criteria here, because you put a number there, you never know if you

:28:34. > :28:42.can achieve it, if you go over or what. It is just the help that was

:28:43. > :28:46.required in 1938 /39 when 10,000 children came, it is a parallel, but

:28:47. > :28:50.it is not exactly the same, because the parents were not allowed to

:28:51. > :28:57.come, whereas here, it is slightly different, and I'm sure a few people

:28:58. > :29:02.would get through who were not proper refugees. So what? That is

:29:03. > :29:07.the way I would put it. We are saving children from the abomination

:29:08. > :29:10.that is happening to them in Europe. Tell our audience a little bit more

:29:11. > :29:18.about your own circumstances when you were little boy. I was born in

:29:19. > :29:24.Vienna, the youngest of three boys, and how it all started was that the

:29:25. > :29:31.Polish government, not the Austrians or Germans, decided that all Jews

:29:32. > :29:36.living outside Poland, and there were many, because they had run

:29:37. > :29:42.away, had to come back to revalidate their passports. The Nazis thought

:29:43. > :29:46.it was a wonderful idea. They chucked out back to the border, I

:29:47. > :29:52.don't know quite how many, but at least 5000 families, amongst the

:29:53. > :29:58.mine. And amongst the people there that were chucked out was a guy

:29:59. > :30:05.whose son was studying in Paris. He was so incensed, and remember this

:30:06. > :30:09.was before the war, he went to the German Embassy and shot the German

:30:10. > :30:26.consul. This triggered off Kristalnacht, the

:30:27. > :30:33.night of the broken glass. It would have happened anyway. So they try to

:30:34. > :30:42.change the rules to allow Jews to coming, but the actual speech was

:30:43. > :30:45.made by Mr Noel Baker, a Quaker, and sometime in November 1938, he

:30:46. > :30:52.suggested to the government that they allow up to 10,000 children in,

:30:53. > :31:02.up to the age of 17, into the UK. Now, I must emphasise that the

:31:03. > :31:07.community in the UK were very, very positive. There were a lot of people

:31:08. > :31:17.against it, as they are today, but there was no television, and there

:31:18. > :31:21.wasn't an immediate response, so these children, I must again also

:31:22. > :31:29.emphasise that a survey that we did, they contributed enormous amounts to

:31:30. > :31:36.England, to the United Kingdom. Two Nobel Prize winners, three players

:31:37. > :31:41.from the Amadeus Quartet, there were famous people, people who

:31:42. > :31:46.contributed back to the country that they now call their home, and I call

:31:47. > :31:50.my home. And myself, I was too young, if you remember all of the

:31:51. > :32:00.children were evacuated just before the war, I arrived with my middle

:32:01. > :32:05.brother in August 1939, the 29th of August 1939, very late. Where was

:32:06. > :32:10.your older brother? He came a bit earlier. He is now in Australia, but

:32:11. > :32:15.that is another story. I was too young to go to school. They were all

:32:16. > :32:23.evacuated, they went to the Jewish free school, which was in the east

:32:24. > :32:31.end Ben, and they were evacuated to Ely.

:32:32. > :32:42.I was sent to Dorking in Surrey. There was a composer and he had a

:32:43. > :32:52.guy called EM Foster, not bad. A bit of research that I did, also

:32:53. > :32:57.suddenly unveiled that William' great-uncle was Charles Darwin. So

:32:58. > :33:01.there time from Eastern Europe and I'm in amongst the middle-class and

:33:02. > :33:10.upper middle-class of the British society. Anyway, I was sent to a

:33:11. > :33:18.refugee home in Dorking in survey. As I said the chairman was a man

:33:19. > :33:30.called Mr Williams. All the families there were Jewish except wurpks they

:33:31. > :33:35.were refugees from check low Slovakia. They fostered me. So for a

:33:36. > :33:40.period of time, I went to church, I went to Sunday School, I did these

:33:41. > :33:46.lovely things. In a way, it has given me if you if like a different

:33:47. > :33:50.prospective of life. Can I ask you Sir Eric, it feels like pressure is

:33:51. > :33:56.building on David Cameron to change the proposals and it sounds like

:33:57. > :33:58.that's going to happen. Change the proposals so that 3,000

:33:59. > :34:01.unaccompanied children can come if they have relatives here. Is that

:34:02. > :34:06.going to be enough for people like you? I don't think solicitor. I

:34:07. > :34:11.think they should just say 3,000 kids should come in. I don't want to

:34:12. > :34:15.put a number on it. I just think we should be a bit more, you know, it

:34:16. > :34:23.reminds me, I must tell you, it stayed with me, it will stay with me

:34:24. > :34:27.my entire life. At the celebrations of the 70th anniversary, we invited

:34:28. > :34:34.as the guest speaker, Prince Charles. He came. He gave a very

:34:35. > :34:39.short speech at the end. He gave it to about 500 kinder, all in their

:34:40. > :34:43.early 80s because now it is nearly the 80th anniversary, but that's

:34:44. > :34:46.another story. At the very end he said, "I'm so pleased that the

:34:47. > :34:50.British Government of the time allowed you in. You've contributed

:34:51. > :34:56.so much that I'm proud to be British. ." That is the difference.

:34:57. > :34:59.Yes. Yes. Well, we will see what happens, but thank you very much for

:35:00. > :35:05.talking to us. Thank you. It is a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for

:35:06. > :35:10.coming on the programme, Sir Erich Reich. Get in touch on that story if

:35:11. > :35:13.you want to. Tobacco companies have lost

:35:14. > :35:15.a European court bid challenging the UK's plans to introduce plain

:35:16. > :35:17.packaging for cigarettes. We'll hear the arguments

:35:18. > :35:20.for and against. Will Britain be safer staying

:35:21. > :35:24.in the European Union Joanna Gosling's in the BBC

:35:25. > :35:36.Newsroom with a summary The US billionaire, Donald Trump

:35:37. > :35:52.is now almost certain to win the Republican

:35:53. > :35:54.presidential nomination after his main rival, Ted Cruz,

:35:55. > :35:56.withdrew from the race Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana

:35:57. > :36:00.primary meant he could no longer see Tobacco companies have lost

:36:01. > :36:04.a challenge to the Government's plans to enforce plain packing

:36:05. > :36:06.on all tobacco products The court has ruled that the new EU

:36:07. > :36:17.directive on tobacco is valid. The Labour Party's facing more

:36:18. > :36:19.criticism over its handling of alleged anti-Semitism

:36:20. > :36:21.within its ranks. Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis,

:36:22. > :36:23.says Labour has a "severe problem" and warns in an article

:36:24. > :36:26.in the Daily Telegraph that it will get worse if the recently

:36:27. > :36:28.announced inquiry into the issue was used as "sticking

:36:29. > :36:30.plaster" to placate voters. Southern Health NHS Trust

:36:31. > :36:33.is investigating an abusive answer phone message left for a mother

:36:34. > :36:36.whose son died while in its care. Sara Ryan has been campaigning for

:36:37. > :36:40.changes in the trust since her son Connor Sparrowhawk drowned in a bath

:36:41. > :36:44.at one of its units in Oxfordshire. A woman who claimed she worked

:36:45. > :36:46.for the mental health provider called Dr Ryan's office

:36:47. > :36:50.on the day that the regulator, the Care Quality Commission issued

:36:51. > :36:58.a report criticising the Trust. David Cameron's facing more pressure

:36:59. > :37:00.to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

:37:01. > :37:01.refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been

:37:02. > :37:04.made by Sir Eric Reich - who chairs a group of former Jewish

:37:05. > :37:07.refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called

:37:08. > :37:14.Kindertransport on the eve Ministers argue that offering

:37:15. > :37:17.sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

:37:18. > :37:24.into the hands of traffickers. Mr Cameron thinks they're safe, but

:37:25. > :37:29.they're not. They hide in woods. They hide from authorities. They are

:37:30. > :37:33.raped, the girls. They are in trafficking. There are all kinds of

:37:34. > :37:40.things and 10,000 children have been lost. Nobody knows where they are.

:37:41. > :37:45.Police have begun digging in the garden of a couple

:37:46. > :37:47.who were friends with serial killers Fred and Rose West in

:37:48. > :37:51.David and Pauline Williams were jailed last year for a series

:37:52. > :37:53.of offences against ten boys and girls, including rape,

:37:54. > :37:56.Officers say they began the investigation of the couple's

:37:57. > :37:59.home in the village of Bradninch, in Devon, after a tip-off.

:38:00. > :38:01.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:38:02. > :38:10.It is time for the sport now and here is Jessica.

:38:11. > :38:12.Manchester are 90 minutes from their first Champions League final.

:38:13. > :38:15.They'll have to get past ten times winners Real Madrid and Christiano

:38:16. > :38:19.The striker has been passed fit to play in tonight's

:38:20. > :38:22.City already know who their opponents will be

:38:23. > :38:26.Even though Atletico lost to Bayern Munich last night,

:38:27. > :38:28.they're through to the final on away goals.

:38:29. > :38:30.Antoine Griezemann with the crucial strike.

:38:31. > :38:37.It's been less than 48-hours since Leicester City's historic

:38:38. > :38:40.Premier League title win and their manager Claudio Ranieri

:38:41. > :38:43.has already had to send out a "hands off" warning to other

:38:44. > :38:48.Ranieri is expecting offers from around Europe, but wants his

:38:49. > :38:51.newly crowned champions to stay at the club and continue the hard

:38:52. > :38:54.And Andy Murray is back to winning ways.

:38:55. > :38:57.He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters,

:38:58. > :39:01.so the world number two goes through to the third round.

:39:02. > :39:11.That's all the sport for now. I will vl an update for you at 10am.

:39:12. > :39:15.The European Court of Justice refused a challenge from two big

:39:16. > :39:21.tobacco companies ruling that the new, EU directive on tobacco

:39:22. > :39:25.products is valid. There are plans to introduce plain packaging for all

:39:26. > :39:30.tobacco products from the end of this month. OK, explain in plain

:39:31. > :39:35.English. Well, this is complicated litigation. So there is a European

:39:36. > :39:40.directive that governs things like the packaging of cigarette products.

:39:41. > :39:43.And what it says is for instance that 65% of the packet has to

:39:44. > :39:48.display a warning, whether that be in writing or whether that be those

:39:49. > :39:52.grisly photographs that you see of lung damage. What was being argued

:39:53. > :39:56.here by the tobacco companies was that when individual member states

:39:57. > :40:02.within the EU seeking to beyond that directive, in other words, to impose

:40:03. > :40:06.plain packaging on cigarettes, that is unlawful and that it infringes

:40:07. > :40:10.their right to freely move goods around Europe because if you have

:40:11. > :40:15.got a pack that's got the logo, the branding on, that's for sale in

:40:16. > :40:18.Italy, but as soon as it gets to the UK, plain packaging has to be

:40:19. > :40:21.imposed on it. Then that prevents the free movement of those goods.

:40:22. > :40:24.That was what was at the heart of this challenge. This morning, the

:40:25. > :40:29.European Court of Justice has said no, it ruled against the tobacco

:40:30. > :40:32.companies. It said it is valid. Member states are entitled to bring

:40:33. > :40:37.in plain packaging. It is currently being brought in in the UK, France

:40:38. > :40:42.and Ireland also are intending to do so. So as you say, this brings plain

:40:43. > :40:46.packaging a step closer. I should just say that there is litigation in

:40:47. > :40:51.the UK courts where the companies are trying to stop plain packaging

:40:52. > :40:57.through a different route. They are saying, "You, the UK, can't simply

:40:58. > :41:04.deny us our intellectual property." If you take the Marlborough rooftop,

:41:05. > :41:07.they say that's intellectual property worth $1 billionment they

:41:08. > :41:11.are seeking through that route. We should get a judgement in the next

:41:12. > :41:16.couple of weeks on that one, but the UK court was keen for the European

:41:17. > :41:20.Court of Justice to make this ruling first. You're right, plain packaging

:41:21. > :41:26.a step closer today. OK, thank you very much, Clive. Let's talk to a

:41:27. > :41:31.smoker and also we will hear from cancer council Victoria, to get

:41:32. > :41:32.evidence from Australia where they introduced plain packaging in

:41:33. > :41:45.December 2012. How long have you been smoking?

:41:46. > :41:48.Since my teenage days. Do you think it would have had any effect on

:41:49. > :41:52.whether you picked up a cigarette or not? I don't think so. I think this

:41:53. > :41:56.is where the heart of the issue s it is focussed on the effect that it

:41:57. > :42:00.has on young people and churn and it actually denies the rights of adults

:42:01. > :42:05.to smoke if they want to. How does it deny the right of adults to

:42:06. > :42:08.smoke? I imposing plain packaging and all the gross photos that we

:42:09. > :42:12.have at the moment, it says that the State has a role in nudging people a

:42:13. > :42:15.certain way and the Government has a role in convincing people to not

:42:16. > :42:20.smoke when I don't see that's its business at all. It doesn't deny you

:42:21. > :42:24.the right to smoke if the packaging is plain? Mpl it is the principle in

:42:25. > :42:29.saying there should be a nudge. You shouldn't be doing this, look at the

:42:30. > :42:32.package of the horrible lungs. You shouldn't be doing this when people

:42:33. > :42:37.should have the freedom to smoke if they want or not. They do? It is

:42:38. > :42:41.making more difficult. It is behind shutters and all sorts of things

:42:42. > :42:44.imposed on smokers and I have no great love for big tobacco

:42:45. > :42:47.companies, I think it should be no business of the State whether I

:42:48. > :42:54.smoke or drink or eat fatty foods. Yes. Even though it cost the lung

:42:55. > :42:59.cancer and other smoking related illnesses cost the NHS a fortune? I

:43:00. > :43:02.don't see the NHS as having a role in nudging people. The NHS and you

:43:03. > :43:06.know, medical services is to help people not to tell people how to

:43:07. > :43:10.live their lives. So I really reject that idea. Do you, even though it

:43:11. > :43:14.costs a fortune and if people didn't smoke in the first place, the money

:43:15. > :43:19.could be spent on something else? Smoking, I really enjoy smoking and

:43:20. > :43:23.it has been, you know, a large proportion of the population smoke

:43:24. > :43:25.and to just suddenly say that we shouldn't or we should change our

:43:26. > :43:29.lives for this reason is unreasonable. It is reducing the

:43:30. > :43:38.numbers are reducing, aren't they, of smokers? Slightly, not so much as

:43:39. > :43:42.they make out. Let's talk to our guests then from Cancer Council. I

:43:43. > :43:49.don't have your name. Can you introduce yourself. Good morning.

:43:50. > :43:54.I'm the manager of tobacco control policy at the Cancer Council in

:43:55. > :43:56.Melbourne in Australia. You are the organisation monitoring whether

:43:57. > :44:03.plain panelling is working in Australia. It was introduced, I

:44:04. > :44:09.think, December 2012. Has it worked? That's correct. Sure. Actually there

:44:10. > :44:11.are a number of organisations monitoring what is working and in

:44:12. > :44:14.particular the Australian Government. The Australian

:44:15. > :44:18.Government released the report in February this year that showed that

:44:19. > :44:22.plain packaging is absolutely working. It is working to meet the

:44:23. > :44:26.objectives of the plain packaging Act and it had a significant impact

:44:27. > :44:30.on reducing smoking rates in Australia. So that's a great public

:44:31. > :44:38.health win. Significant in what way? How much has it come down by since

:44:39. > :44:45.it was introduced? Smoking rates deceased from 15.1% in 2010 to 12.8%

:44:46. > :44:52.in 2013. That is the biggest drop we have seen in around 20 years in

:44:53. > :44:56.Australia. And the review showed that plain packaging was responsible

:44:57. > :45:02.for around a quarter of that large drop. So... Sorry, it was from 15%

:45:03. > :45:09.to what did you say just to be clear? 12.8%. Is that really

:45:10. > :45:19.significant? If only a quarter was down to plain packaging?

:45:20. > :45:25.Yeah, absolutely. Smoking rates drop slowly. So significantly

:45:26. > :45:30.statistically and so that's a 2% drop over that period. So that

:45:31. > :45:33.certainly a great outcome. As I said, that's the biggest drop we

:45:34. > :45:40.have seen in a three year period in 20 years.

:45:41. > :45:46.But a quarter of that is down to plain packaging, so something else

:45:47. > :45:54.is working better? Not necessarily. Plain packaging was never meant to

:45:55. > :45:59.be a magic answer, it was always said it would be part of the

:46:00. > :46:03.comprehensive range of measures. So in Australia, we have had tax

:46:04. > :46:10.increases, campaigns on televisions, plain packaging, so that

:46:11. > :46:15.comprehensive approach is what is needed to drive down smoking rates.

:46:16. > :46:20.Some people have been impacted I plain packaging, certainly younger

:46:21. > :46:27.people have, and many smokers have quit as a result, but no country can

:46:28. > :46:37.rely on one thing. Ella, you are shaking your head in, disagreement?

:46:38. > :46:40.What are you thinking is Kylie is telling us about this drop-in

:46:41. > :46:44.smoking? It is not a significant drop, and the important thing is

:46:45. > :46:48.that everybody knows smoking is bad for you. You cannot be under the

:46:49. > :46:53.impression that anybody doesn't know. We are safe in the knowledge

:46:54. > :46:58.that people who are smoking know that it is bad for them, and are

:46:59. > :47:03.making that conscious choice as adults, the same way that having

:47:04. > :47:08.four chocolate bars in a day is bad for you, sometimes I just want to do

:47:09. > :47:11.it. It is allowing people to make that free choice, and what these

:47:12. > :47:15.campaigns do is try to remove that by saying to people, there is a

:47:16. > :47:20.certain way we should live our lives, and people like me absolutely

:47:21. > :47:26.reject that. Kylie, very quickly, go for it. I think it is really

:47:27. > :47:32.disingenuous to claim that smokers have a free choice. Many smokers are

:47:33. > :47:36.very addicted to the product, nicotine is incredibly addictive,

:47:37. > :47:39.80% of smokers want to quit, so there is not a lot of free choice

:47:40. > :47:46.left when you edit it to a highly dip product. Thank you, both of you.

:47:47. > :47:53.A couple of messages. Steve says plain packaging is daft, but he

:47:54. > :47:55.doesn't blame why. Charlotte says she can't understand why anyone

:47:56. > :48:00.would smoke, but don't forget the amount of tax paid on every pack.

:48:01. > :48:03.James says, Winnie affects of lung cancer have such huge effects on the

:48:04. > :48:06.NHS, the state does have a role to nudge people.

:48:07. > :48:09.The countdown is on to the EU referendum vote.

:48:10. > :48:11.On June the 23rd, you'll decide whether you want Britain to leave

:48:12. > :48:16.In the run up, we've hopefully been guiding you through a relevant

:48:17. > :48:19.issue every week, in plain English, because some of the terms

:48:20. > :48:21.and language being used by campaigners can be obscure

:48:22. > :48:27.So far we've covered the economy, jobs and immigration.

:48:28. > :48:29.This week we're looking at national security.

:48:30. > :48:30.Will Britain be safer stayingin the European Union

:48:31. > :48:36.Here's our political guru Norman Smith, from College Green

:48:37. > :48:48.Welcome to an absolutely beautiful day in Westminster, sun-kissed we

:48:49. > :48:52.are today. So, national security. I guess for the past 70 years in

:48:53. > :48:58.Europe we have enjoyed relative peace apart from the conflict in the

:48:59. > :49:01.Balkans. But is that peace because of the European Union, or is the

:49:02. > :49:06.European Union completely irrelevant to all that? Let's take a look at

:49:07. > :49:10.some of the facts and figures first off about how much military muscle

:49:11. > :49:17.we actually have if we wanted to stand alone. Here is our British

:49:18. > :49:25.Bulldog, doesn't look much like a bulldog, but bear with. What sort of

:49:26. > :49:28.bite does he have? We are nuclear power, one of the very few countries

:49:29. > :49:36.in the world which has its own nuclear deterrent. Second, we spend

:49:37. > :49:45.around 2% of our national income on defence, which frankly is more than

:49:46. > :49:50.any other EU country, and lastly, we have around 195,000 soldiers,

:49:51. > :49:56.sailors, airmen and women. We are a sizeable fighting force. So what

:49:57. > :50:06.happens if our British Bulldog becomes a Brexit bulldog and leaves

:50:07. > :50:18.his Gozi you can all? -- leaves his cosy EU kennel. Leave voters say

:50:19. > :50:22.that it would give us more control over our borders, and top spies say

:50:23. > :50:24.that our intelligence may be more secure because we don't have to

:50:25. > :50:31.share it with 27 other European countries. Lastly, we are member of

:50:32. > :50:34.Nato, and that is the reason they say that we have really been secure,

:50:35. > :50:40.nothing to do with the European Union. And the Ukip leader Nigel

:50:41. > :50:43.Farage argues that even if we leave, we can still cooperate over

:50:44. > :50:49.intelligence and defence with other European countries. Should countries

:50:50. > :50:53.share information to fight international terrorism? Yes. The

:50:54. > :50:57.country we share information with most closely is the USA, but nobody

:50:58. > :51:01.is proposing we have to become the 51st state to make that work.

:51:02. > :51:04.Outside the European Union, we can still call operate with our European

:51:05. > :51:10.friends, and Interpol has been around since the 1920s. Nation state

:51:11. > :51:21.should cooperate. But what happens if our Brexit all dog decides to

:51:22. > :51:25.stay in his kennel? The Remain campaigners say partnerships are

:51:26. > :51:27.critical to defence, and we can cooperate over military planning,

:51:28. > :51:35.intelligence gathering, fighting terrorism. Secondly, our top allies

:51:36. > :51:38.from around the world, countries like Australia, New Zealand, France,

:51:39. > :51:43.they have all said that international security would be

:51:44. > :51:52.destabilised if we left the European Union. And lastly, there is the

:51:53. > :51:55.Putin factor. The fear that the only person who really wants to see

:51:56. > :52:01.Britain leave and PE you possibly to break up is President Putin, because

:52:02. > :52:07.he would view that as an advantage, and that is a real security risk to

:52:08. > :52:11.Britain. And President Obama has for a long time now warned that if

:52:12. > :52:15.written leaves, not only is the special relationship made altogether

:52:16. > :52:22.more wobbly, but our client in the world will be reduced. Having the

:52:23. > :52:26.United Kingdom in the European Union gives us much greater confidence

:52:27. > :52:32.about the strength of the transatlantic union. And is part of

:52:33. > :52:39.the cornerstone of institutions built after World War II that has

:52:40. > :52:44.made the world safer and more prosperous. And we want to make sure

:52:45. > :52:53.that the United Kingdom continues to have that influence. It is one of

:52:54. > :52:56.the big, big issues. I guess you can put it alongside the economy,

:52:57. > :53:01.immigration, national security, do people feel safer being part of the

:53:02. > :53:06.European Union or actually think we would be a lot better on our own? It

:53:07. > :53:08.is one of the key decisions in this referendum. Thank you, Norman.

:53:09. > :53:11.We now speak to the Government's Minister for the Armed Forces, Penny

:53:12. > :53:18.Baroness Pauline Neville-Jones, a former Minister of State

:53:19. > :53:20.for Security and Counter Terrorism, who wants you to vote to stay in.

:53:21. > :53:27.Welcome to both of you. Pauline Neville-Jones, would Britain let in

:53:28. > :53:31.more potential terrorists if it remains inside the EU or leaves? The

:53:32. > :53:37.decision on who comes into this country is a British decision.

:53:38. > :53:43.Contrary to what the Leave campaigners say, we do have control

:53:44. > :53:47.of our borders in that it is our decision, and if we do let people

:53:48. > :53:57.in, it is because there has been a failure of our controls, it is not

:53:58. > :54:00.an EU failure. So it depends crucially on how informed we are

:54:01. > :54:05.about people coming in, and the way we get information is increasingly

:54:06. > :54:09.through police cooperation, and the police are very important in all of

:54:10. > :54:13.this. What you need to have is the information coming in from other

:54:14. > :54:16.countries about who is moving about, and when they get to your border, if

:54:17. > :54:21.you have that information, you can stop them. My concern is that if we

:54:22. > :54:26.leave, it isn't that people will suddenly Carter Sorloth, but we will

:54:27. > :54:31.have to renegotiate all of those agreements, -- it isn't the people

:54:32. > :54:37.will suddenly cut us all off. Iain Duncan Smith said Britain would be

:54:38. > :54:43.more exposed to the Paris style terror attacks if it stays in the

:54:44. > :54:46.EU, and his logic was this, he says other EU countries could give

:54:47. > :54:50.passports to individuals, allowing them then to travel freely to the

:54:51. > :54:56.UK, because Britain as members of the EU has to accept the free

:54:57. > :55:00.movement of people. The keyword there is that they will be able to

:55:01. > :55:03.travel freely, Britain has the right and duty to stop criminals and

:55:04. > :55:09.terrorists entering the country, and we have the border controls to do

:55:10. > :55:16.that. So there is no way in which we can say that we are obliged to get

:55:17. > :55:20.these people in, and so when we do, it is because one of two things,

:55:21. > :55:25.either there has been an intelligence failure, a corporation

:55:26. > :55:31.failure, or they have committed an act when they have got here that you

:55:32. > :55:35.couldn't have predicted. And lots of criminals from other countries do

:55:36. > :55:42.this. It isn't uniquely European. Penny mordant, what Pauline

:55:43. > :55:47.Neville-Jones says, what David Cameron, your boss says, is that EU

:55:48. > :55:50.membership is vital for fighting terrorism, because we can share

:55:51. > :55:55.information and intelligence, we can share data. Is there any evidence

:55:56. > :56:02.Britain would be safer outside the EU? I think there is. First of all,

:56:03. > :56:08.defence and security arrangements which are of value would endure if

:56:09. > :56:12.we left the U. How do you know that? They are open all ready to nonmember

:56:13. > :56:16.State and Nato, so we could still cooperate, and I think it is crazy

:56:17. > :56:20.to say that France or Germany or any other EU member would put its own

:56:21. > :56:25.citizens at risk and hours out of spite. I think that what is valued,

:56:26. > :56:30.the operational cooperation that actually keeps us safe, will endure.

:56:31. > :56:35.The issue that I take issue with on what Pauline has said is that we

:56:36. > :56:38.have some control over our borders certainly, and are in a better

:56:39. > :56:41.position than other EU member states, but we don't have full

:56:42. > :56:46.control, so we have to apply different thresholds of evidence

:56:47. > :56:51.when we are concerned about an individual whether they come from

:56:52. > :56:57.outside the EU or whether they come from a member state, and at the

:56:58. > :57:00.moment, Europol estimates we have about 5000 Daesh trained fighters in

:57:01. > :57:05.Europe, but there are potentially more coming. We have accession

:57:06. > :57:10.countries... So why would we let those in? Because you have to apply

:57:11. > :57:15.a different level of evidence to those coming from the EU. If they

:57:16. > :57:19.have a EU passport, even if you might have deep suspicions about how

:57:20. > :57:22.they obtained it, you cannot apply the same thresholds but we would do

:57:23. > :57:29.to someone coming from outside the EU. I am looking at the rules now.

:57:30. > :57:33.You can block people coming in even with a EU passport on the grounds of

:57:34. > :57:40.public security, policy or health. It is a different thresholds. No,

:57:41. > :57:43.that's it. There was a ruling in 2014 which basically says that the

:57:44. > :57:49.threshold we have to apply to those people has to be serious and

:57:50. > :57:54.present... That is after ten years, don't mislead people. That is not

:57:55. > :57:58.true. We have to apply a different thresholds. If we had full control

:57:59. > :58:04.over our borders, we would apply the same threshold, and what this is

:58:05. > :58:08.resulting in is a huge strain on our security services because if we have

:58:09. > :58:11.sketchy information but we are concerned about someone, we cannot

:58:12. > :58:16.prevent them coming in, we would be in breach of our requirements. I

:58:17. > :58:20.don't think you are right, but I am prepared to go and check again after

:58:21. > :58:24.the programme, and please do check yourself as well, I think you are

:58:25. > :58:28.misleading people. The former head of MI6 said Britain would not be any

:58:29. > :58:34.less safe or secure if we vote to leave. I read Richard Dearlove's

:58:35. > :58:38.peace, and he is quite right about Nato, which is the mainstay of our

:58:39. > :58:47.defence. But he is not right when he misses the fact that when we applied

:58:48. > :58:50.pressure on Putin, what was our result on him taking over the

:58:51. > :58:54.Crimea? It was economic. Those sanctions were inside the EU. It is

:58:55. > :58:58.a partner to hard security, so wouldn't we want to be there?

:58:59. > :59:03.Wouldn't we want to make sure that those sanctions were the right ones,

:59:04. > :59:07.that the City wasn't unfairly treated, that they were balanced? So

:59:08. > :59:12.it is important for us to have the EU power alongside the Nato power.

:59:13. > :59:14.He also went on to say correctly that our relationship between the

:59:15. > :59:20.intelligence agencies is bilateral, quite true. But I don't myself

:59:21. > :59:24.believe that these bilateral corporative relationships, which are

:59:25. > :59:27.very important to us, are somehow totally unaffected by the context in

:59:28. > :59:32.which they are operating, and as I said right at the beginning, the

:59:33. > :59:35.police matter to us a very great deal, not just in terms of this, and

:59:36. > :59:40.Richard didn't talk about that at all, and that is becoming a key

:59:41. > :59:45.element. A final thought to you, your boss, the Prime Minister, the

:59:46. > :59:48.Foreign Secretary, the Defence Secretary, 12 former British defence

:59:49. > :59:54.chiefs, the general secretary of Nato, all say that Britain is more

:59:55. > :00:00.safe remaining in the EU. Why should we believe you, Boris Johnson, Nigel

:00:01. > :00:07.Farage, Michael Gove and Priti Patel? This is our security

:00:08. > :00:13.minister, the Home Secretary has raised concerns... Your boss

:00:14. > :00:16.disagrees with you! There is a big long list of former heads of CIA,

:00:17. > :00:22.former heads of MI6, while they should listen to us is we are

:00:23. > :00:26.concerned about the operational security. Certainly no head of state

:00:27. > :00:29.is going to go up and challenge our Prime Minister on what he says. They

:00:30. > :00:34.have a political stake in ensuring good relationships. What I am

:00:35. > :00:39.concerned about is the operational ability to keep our nation safe, and

:00:40. > :00:43.what that requires is for us to take back full control of our borders. It

:00:44. > :00:49.also means we need to ensure that the relationships we depend upon

:00:50. > :00:54.with our partners on intelligence sharing are not being undermined by

:00:55. > :00:59.EU rules, which is currently what is happening, and I would stress again,

:01:00. > :01:03.we are not suggesting the UK is moved to the Arctic Circle. We want

:01:04. > :01:08.to cooperate with Europe. Correctly that is extremely difficult because

:01:09. > :01:13.through projects like a pan-European intelligence agency or EU army, we

:01:14. > :01:17.are spending effort and resources on things which make no difference to

:01:18. > :01:21.our operational capabilities at this critical time when we are facing

:01:22. > :01:24.huge terrorist threat, all eyes and all our resources should be

:01:25. > :01:27.protecting our borders and what is actually go to physically keep our

:01:28. > :01:29.nation safe. Thank you both for coming on the

:01:30. > :01:50.programme. It is your choice. Still to come,

:01:51. > :01:55.Donald Trump is been touching distance of winning the Republican

:01:56. > :02:00.nomination for the White House. Now the weather. Good morning. This

:02:01. > :02:04.morning some of us got off to a beautiful start. There is a lot of

:02:05. > :02:08.sunshine around. For some, there is some rain. Some of that getting into

:02:09. > :02:11.Northern Ireland. You can see whiter cloud, that's associated with the

:02:12. > :02:15.weather front introducing the rain and behind it, or just in front of

:02:16. > :02:18.it, there is a bit more cloud coming in across Northern Ireland, Scotland

:02:19. > :02:21.and Northern England. But a lot of that at this stage is high cloud. So

:02:22. > :02:24.the further east that you are, the sunnier the conditions will be. But

:02:25. > :02:28.as the rain comes in, windy conditions around it too. The cloud

:02:29. > :02:32.will thicken. So through the afternoon for England and Wales, it

:02:33. > :02:36.will remain dry and sunny. However, for Northern Ireland and Scotland,

:02:37. > :02:39.we have the rain very slowly progressing southwards and

:02:40. > :02:42.eastwards. So still the further east that you are, the brighter the skies

:02:43. > :02:48.in both Scotland's and Northern Ireland. For Northern England, a wee

:02:49. > :02:52.bit more fair-weather cloud, so the sunshine hazy for the rest of

:02:53. > :02:57.England and Wales, it will be a beautiful afternoon. Temperatures

:02:58. > :02:59.16, 17, and possibly 18 Celsius. Along the coasts, there will be a

:03:00. > :03:02.sea breeze. Temperatures here will be less. Through the evening and

:03:03. > :03:08.overnight period, there will be clear skies. So it will chilly in

:03:09. > :03:13.rural areas. Not as cold as it was this morning however. Our weak

:03:14. > :03:15.weather front will push across Southern Scotland and Northern

:03:16. > :03:19.England. Vow deucing more cloud and rain. We've got another weather

:03:20. > :03:22.front coming in across the north-west later. It will introduce

:03:23. > :03:26.rain too. As you can see from the squeeze on the isobars, across the

:03:27. > :03:30.north-west of Scotland, it will be pretty windy. Touching gale force at

:03:31. > :03:34.times. Move away from those areas, we are back into the sunshine,

:03:35. > :03:38.mostly dry conditions. Temperatures continuing to creep up. So we're up

:03:39. > :03:41.to 20 Celsius on Thursday. But the temperatures will continue to climb

:03:42. > :03:46.as we head on through Friday and into the weekend. So for Friday,

:03:47. > :03:50.itself, a lot of dry weather around. Some showers skirting across parts

:03:51. > :03:53.of Scotland. Temperatures ten in the north, fur' stuck under that, to 22

:03:54. > :03:58.Celsius in the south. And we'll start to see some mist and fog

:03:59. > :04:02.lapping off-shore across parts of the north-east of England and

:04:03. > :04:05.Eastern Scotland. Now, by the time we get to Friday and Saturday, you

:04:06. > :04:09.can see what's happening. We've got this low pressure coming up Friday

:04:10. > :04:12.night and into Saturday. It will introduce rain. Primarily into the

:04:13. > :04:16.west and possibly into the north. The positioning of this could

:04:17. > :04:20.change. And then behind it, there will be showers, but equally, there

:04:21. > :04:23.will be a lot of sunshine with highs up to 23 Celsius and by the time we

:04:24. > :04:27.get to Sunday, again a lot of dry weather. Some showers are possible.

:04:28. > :04:29.They could be thundery, but wait until you see the temperatures

:04:30. > :04:33.coming up. The temperatures are going to continue to climb

:04:34. > :04:36.particularly so in the south, 24 Celsius and possibly even 25 Celsius

:04:37. > :04:38.and in Northern Ireland and Scotland, you'll notice a change in

:04:39. > :04:43.the temperature too. Donald Trump now looks

:04:44. > :04:55.almost certain to claim the Republican party nomination

:04:56. > :04:57.for the US presidency. We'll look at how he went

:04:58. > :05:00.from being a rank outsider David Cameron is being urged again

:05:01. > :05:04.to take in more children fleeing the war in Syria,

:05:05. > :05:07.this time from a former Jewish refugee who came to Britain before

:05:08. > :05:10.the start of the Second World War. And my view is given that I came

:05:11. > :05:14.on what was then called the kindertransport that Britain

:05:15. > :05:18.should help a little bit more. 11-year-old Ben Baddeley

:05:19. > :05:21.has cerebral palsy. He wrote to the Prime Minister

:05:22. > :05:23.because the NHS won't Today he's off to Downing Street

:05:24. > :05:27.to ask David Cameron in person. We'll be speaking

:05:28. > :05:39.to him after 10.30am. Here's Joanna In the BBC Newsroom

:05:40. > :05:48.with a summary of today's news. The US billionaire, Donald Trump,

:05:49. > :05:50.is now almost certain to win the Republican party's presidential

:05:51. > :05:53.nomination after his main rival, Ted Cruz, withdrew from the race

:05:54. > :05:55.following another heavy defeat. Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana

:05:56. > :06:10.primary meant he could no longer see Our theme is very simple - it is

:06:11. > :06:15.make America great again. We will America great again. We will start

:06:16. > :06:22.winning again. You will be so proud of this country very, very soon.

:06:23. > :06:25.Tobacco companies have lost a legal challenge to the Government's plans

:06:26. > :06:27.to enforce plain packaging on all tobacco products.

:06:28. > :06:30.The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg has just ruled that

:06:31. > :06:34.an EU directive on plain packaging is valid.

:06:35. > :06:36.The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling

:06:37. > :06:38.of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks.

:06:39. > :06:40.Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, says Labour has a "severe problem"

:06:41. > :06:43.and warns in an article in the Daily Telegraph that it

:06:44. > :06:46.will get worse if the recently announced inquiry into the issue

:06:47. > :06:51.was used as "sticking plaster" to placate voters.

:06:52. > :06:53.Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer

:06:54. > :06:56.phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care.

:06:57. > :06:58.Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust

:06:59. > :07:01.since her son, Connor Sparrowhawk, drowned in a bath at one

:07:02. > :07:05.A woman who claimed she worked for the Trust called

:07:06. > :07:20.It's awful that you've lost him, but to I do think you're

:07:21. > :07:22.It's awful that you've lost him, but I do think you're

:07:23. > :07:27.I think you're a vindictive cow, on TV all the time blaming the NHS.

:07:28. > :07:35.We've been in touch with Southern Health this morning,

:07:36. > :07:38.They say they have been made aware of the phone call this morning

:07:39. > :07:42.through social media. It has urged anyone

:07:43. > :07:47.with information to come forward. David Cameron is facing more

:07:48. > :07:49.pressure to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

:07:50. > :07:51.refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been made

:07:52. > :07:54.by Sir Eric Reich who chairs a group of former Jewish refugees

:07:55. > :07:56.who were allowed into the UK on the so-called Kindertransport

:07:57. > :07:59.on the eve of the Second World War. Ministers argue that offering

:08:00. > :08:01.sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

:08:02. > :08:08.into the hands of traffickers. Canadian authorities have ordered

:08:09. > :08:11.the evacuation of an entire city in the province of Alberta

:08:12. > :08:13.because of a huge wildfire. 80,000 people have been ordered

:08:14. > :08:17.to leave Fort McMurray, as fires whipped up by winds

:08:18. > :08:19.engulfed homes and main roads, and sent ash raining

:08:20. > :08:21.down on residents. Alberta has appealed

:08:22. > :08:33.for military help. Well, it is a disaster. I find that

:08:34. > :08:38.it is not fair. They didn't even let us take our things when we asked

:08:39. > :08:40.them. So we lost everything now. Where is your house? It was in the

:08:41. > :08:44.campsite. Police have begun digging

:08:45. > :08:46.in the garden of a couple who were friends with serial killers

:08:47. > :08:49.Fred and Rose West in the 1980s. David and Pauline Williams

:08:50. > :08:52.were jailed last year for a series of offences against ten boys

:08:53. > :08:54.and girls including rape, Officers say they began

:08:55. > :08:57.the investigation of the couple's home in the village of Bradninch,

:08:58. > :09:00.in Devon, after a tip-off. That's a summary of

:09:01. > :09:14.the latest BBC News. Thank you. Thank you for getting in

:09:15. > :09:19.touch. This e-mail, "I have just seen your report about the appeal to

:09:20. > :09:21.bring 3,000 Syrian children here. If there was any question of not

:09:22. > :09:24.bringing children because they have no family here then that's

:09:25. > :09:29.heartbreaking. They have a family with me. We are not Syrian, but we

:09:30. > :09:35.are parents and we will be their family." Jackson said, "Say no to

:09:36. > :09:38.any children which aren't British children, we can't care for our own

:09:39. > :09:40.children so bringing more won't help." We will talk more about that

:09:41. > :09:46.in the next half an hour. Do get in touch with us

:09:47. > :09:49.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

:09:50. > :09:52.and If you text, you will be charged So Manchester City are a game

:09:53. > :09:57.away from their first Our Football Correspondent John

:09:58. > :10:01.Murray will be commentating on the match for Radio 5 Live

:10:02. > :10:05.tonight and he joins me now live So John I guess the big news,

:10:06. > :10:09.as much as City boss Manuel Pellegrini tries to play it

:10:10. > :10:19.down, is that Cristiano Ronldo Well, you would have to say that

:10:20. > :10:23.that is potentially pivotal and that's potentially the thing that

:10:24. > :10:29.could send this game Real Madrid's way. It is a big surprise last week

:10:30. > :10:36.when he wasn't able to play in the game at the Manchester stadium and

:10:37. > :10:40.this week Zinedine says he is fit. And 47 goals this season. Such a

:10:41. > :10:45.brilliant goal scoring record in the Champions League. He could make the

:10:46. > :10:49.difference. Now City have a decent striker of their own in Sergio

:10:50. > :10:55.Aguero and they have Yaya Toure back. How big a part will they play

:10:56. > :11:01.tonight? Could they be key for City? The first question is whether Yaya

:11:02. > :11:06.Toure will be selected for the game. Manuel Pellegrini said he has been

:11:07. > :11:12.training all week. Will he select him? Alternatively, will he bring in

:11:13. > :11:16.someone Lycra hem Stirling to play on the left-hand side and play

:11:17. > :11:22.debriner in the centre behind Aguero. Aguero didn't play on

:11:23. > :11:27.Sunday. He was an unused substitute. There was a feeling he didn't look

:11:28. > :11:32.himself in the first leg and what Manchester City is for Aguero to be

:11:33. > :11:38.100% fit in the same way Real Madrid need Ronaldo to be 100% fit. Manuel

:11:39. > :11:42.Pellegrini leaves at the end of the season so it is the last chance for

:11:43. > :11:45.a trophy for him before he goes. Will that put extra fire in his

:11:46. > :11:48.belly to go out and get a result tonight? It is a really odd

:11:49. > :11:52.situation. I couldn't help, but think this when he was sitting

:11:53. > :11:56.talking to us last night. He has less than a handful of games left as

:11:57. > :12:01.the manager of Manchester City, but get through this tonight, a score

:12:02. > :12:05.draw will take them through and his last match, before the new manager

:12:06. > :12:10.takes over, been the Champions League final in Milan. I think there

:12:11. > :12:13.would be a good deal of satisfaction for Pellegrini if that turns out to

:12:14. > :12:18.be the case. John, thank you very much for

:12:19. > :12:21.joining us. Commentary of that game on Five Live from tonight. That's

:12:22. > :12:24.all the sport for now, Victoria. Thank you.

:12:25. > :12:27.A year ago Donald Trump was a rank outsider become the Republican

:12:28. > :12:29.Party's candidate to become the next American president.

:12:30. > :12:33.Last night his main competitor, Ted Cruz, pulled out of the race

:12:34. > :12:39.after losing heavily in a primary election in the state of Indiana.

:12:40. > :12:45.He's a divisive character and there's hasn't been

:12:46. > :12:50.White House candidate like him in the modern era.

:12:51. > :12:53.Let's have a quick reminder of some of the controversial comments Trump

:12:54. > :13:00.When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.

:13:01. > :13:07.They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.

:13:08. > :13:12.Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of

:13:13. > :13:15.Muslims entering the United States. Until our country's representatives

:13:16. > :13:20.can figure out what the hell is going on.

:13:21. > :13:24.We have a lot of power with China. When China doesn't want to fix the

:13:25. > :13:28.problem in North Korea, we say sorry folks, you've got to fix the problem

:13:29. > :13:32.because we can't continue to allow China to rape our country and that's

:13:33. > :13:38.what they're doing. It is the greatest theft in the history of the

:13:39. > :13:42.world. I've never seen anybody that lied as much as Ted Cruz and he goes

:13:43. > :13:46.around saying he is a Christian. I don't know, you're going to have to

:13:47. > :13:51.really study that. So we won the evangelicals, we won

:13:52. > :13:55.with Young, we won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with

:13:56. > :13:58.poorly educated! I love the poorly educated!

:13:59. > :14:00.Joining me is Charlie Wells, a reporter with the

:14:01. > :14:20.Shaun McCutcheon is a Trump supporter.

:14:21. > :14:22.Also joining us is Ryan Girdusky who writes for conservative

:14:23. > :14:31.Does Donald Trump have it in the bag? He has effectively lock it

:14:32. > :14:36.down, but he has not definetively. In the United States the primary for

:14:37. > :14:40.each party goes State by State. It is a battle across the 50 States. To

:14:41. > :14:46.rack up delegatesths gates. So far Donald Trump has a significant lead

:14:47. > :14:49.in delegates, but he has 200 to capture the definitive total. States

:14:50. > :14:54.left include California, that will be a big battle. That said, you

:14:55. > :14:59.know, the Republican national committee chairman said that Donald

:15:00. > :15:03.Trump is the nominee. That the party needs to rally behind Donald Trump.

:15:04. > :15:07.So it is looking, you know, like he has got it, but I don't think we

:15:08. > :15:10.should, you know, call it defintively yet. He needs another

:15:11. > :15:14.200 delegates to cross the finishing line to be the candidate fighting

:15:15. > :15:18.presumably Hillary Clinton, but again, we don't want to call that

:15:19. > :15:22.yet... Right. We know where we're coming from. Shaken, tell us what

:15:23. > :15:31.you have supported Donald Trump from the beginning?

:15:32. > :15:38.I met him back in 2013 and listen to a couple of his speeches before he

:15:39. > :15:41.ran. I knew he was going to run a long time ago, he is just an

:15:42. > :15:48.exciting candidate with a different message. These are first popular

:15:49. > :15:52.candidate since the 18 candidates. He's different from the others he

:15:53. > :16:01.has a message about how to make America great again. And what about

:16:02. > :16:05.the things he says he is going to do to make America great again if he

:16:06. > :16:09.becomes president? I think it is more of a financial concerned that

:16:10. > :16:14.the people have than any other concern. And what is he going to do

:16:15. > :16:18.about that? He has given you a lot of ways, but through trade and

:16:19. > :16:25.restoring jobs, better management of our money, our policies, better

:16:26. > :16:32.management of our borders. The Government is going to do its job

:16:33. > :16:35.for a change. Ryan, you are a Trump supporter, too. Tell us what he has

:16:36. > :16:43.said in the last few months but really appealed to you. On

:16:44. > :16:53.immigration, discussing here how we can legally reduce immigration, not

:16:54. > :16:56.just illegal immigration. But his foreign policy has stunned me, and I

:16:57. > :17:01.think I am grieving, I can't believe there is somebody who is speaking

:17:02. > :17:03.about not being the world's policeman, not letting European

:17:04. > :17:12.nations take advantage of the United States any more, talking about how

:17:13. > :17:15.it seems foolish that we can't have an issue with the Turks if they are

:17:16. > :17:20.members of Nato, and ending the cycle of perpetual warfare for no

:17:21. > :17:28.reason, to spread democracy to nations who don't want it, you don't

:17:29. > :17:31.particularly like us. A lot of them don't have any problem with America

:17:32. > :17:36.and don't fight America, and I think that is a huge draw for people, the

:17:37. > :17:42.fact that he is going to be the anti-war candidate for the entire

:17:43. > :17:47.country right now. And do you think, let's say he becomes your next

:17:48. > :17:52.president. Do you really think he is going to do all the things he said

:17:53. > :18:02.he will? Your expectations are so high. Maybe he won't get 100% of the

:18:03. > :18:05.way there, but if European nations have to start contributing more to

:18:06. > :18:09.Nato, or even if he just doesn't start another war for eight years,

:18:10. > :18:15.that would be nice. That would be great if we stopped wars that we

:18:16. > :18:18.don't really need to fight any more, in this ideological struggle to

:18:19. > :18:23.spread democracy in the world, it is foolish. Charlie Wells from the Wall

:18:24. > :18:28.Street Journal, why apparently do so many Republican supporters not like,

:18:29. > :18:32.respect, admire, want Donald Trump to be their candidate? I think it

:18:33. > :18:37.comes with an antiestablishment message. Even though he is a

:18:38. > :18:42.billionaire? Yes, he comes with an antiestablishment message, he has

:18:43. > :18:47.latched onto a lot of Australians in the United States about trade, about

:18:48. > :18:53.immigration, and he pursues a set of policies different to the

:18:54. > :19:04.mainstream. -- a lot of frustrations in the United States. He is not

:19:05. > :19:07.beholden to financial donors, and a lot of white working-class voters

:19:08. > :19:11.have been hurt by some of the trade negotiations that have been pursued.

:19:12. > :19:14.I think the Republican party want to see more speeches from him going

:19:15. > :19:20.forward outlining his policy proposals, more detail, a lot of

:19:21. > :19:24.people talked recently about speech on International policy he made

:19:25. > :19:28.recently and how it was contradictory, so we might want to

:19:29. > :19:32.iron that out a bit more. One move from a political playbook for people

:19:33. > :19:37.like Donald Trump is to make an international trip. You remember

:19:38. > :19:40.Barack Obama's international trip in 2008, people were saying he was weak

:19:41. > :19:43.on foreign policy, I haven't heard anything about the trump camp doing

:19:44. > :19:52.that, but I think we should expect some travel. Shoreham, why do some

:19:53. > :19:57.Republicans not like Donald Trump? He is an outsider. He hasn't been on

:19:58. > :20:05.the inside, they are worried about the status quo. A lot of them are

:20:06. > :20:17.worried about the souk -- Supreme Court Justices, a lot of Republicans

:20:18. > :20:21.claim he is not a conservative, but I think is part is the establishment

:20:22. > :20:26.goes, he is just not there man, they don't feel like they have control of

:20:27. > :20:31.him a lot of things they have been going on, they don't feel like he

:20:32. > :20:35.will continue to do. And let's assume he becomes the Republican

:20:36. > :20:47.candidate. Can he beat, for example, Hillary Clinton? Yes, I definitely

:20:48. > :20:51.think he can. Right now he is six or seven points below Hillary, which is

:20:52. > :20:57.pretty devastating, but it is early, and Trump has managed to raise his

:20:58. > :21:01.favourable ratings significantly from the beginning of the campaign

:21:02. > :21:07.when he was polling 60 points underwater, so it is a significant

:21:08. > :21:13.turnaround. But national polls that matter, state polls do, and a new

:21:14. > :21:17.poll in Ohio, a very well-regarded polling firm, they show that Trump

:21:18. > :21:21.is within the margin of areas Hillary Clinton, and it was polled

:21:22. > :21:26.with 15% African Americans. By being to the left of Hillary on foreign

:21:27. > :21:31.policy but to the right of Hillary on guns, he is able to walk across

:21:32. > :21:37.the entire ideological map and bring people to him. And the Democratic

:21:38. > :21:41.party didn't vote for their presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton,

:21:42. > :21:46.they are still fighting this war of ideas, and I don't believe, I have

:21:47. > :21:49.talked to literally hundreds of Bernie Sanders supporters covering

:21:50. > :21:54.their rallies, there is a real fight inside the Democratic party, and

:21:55. > :21:57.real hatred for Hillary Clinton among Bernie Sanders supporters, so

:21:58. > :22:01.it will be interesting to see of a lot of people support her, dropout

:22:02. > :22:05.and support job, or a vote for a third party like the Green party,

:22:06. > :22:11.which think is very possible that they will receive millions of his

:22:12. > :22:15.supporters' votes. Ryan mentioned the polls, if it is Hillary Clinton

:22:16. > :22:21.versus Donald Trump, what is the reading on who would win that? It is

:22:22. > :22:25.still very early, and this has been a very unpredictable Republican and

:22:26. > :22:31.Democratic race. Most national polls show Donald Trump down about ten

:22:32. > :22:34.percentage points across in a key battle ground states. But something

:22:35. > :22:39.we should watch is how Donald Trump uses Hillary Clinton's gender. Both

:22:40. > :22:42.candidates are going to start turning towards the general

:22:43. > :22:46.election, and a lot of people have said, is there a way for him to turn

:22:47. > :22:50.her gender against, making this point that Hillary Clinton is a

:22:51. > :22:54.woman, but that is the only thing she has in common with you. A number

:22:55. > :22:57.of polls have showed that he is doing very poorly with women, down

:22:58. > :23:03.70 percentage points according to some polls, but I don't know. I

:23:04. > :23:07.think the Clinton campaign is fighting a battle on two France,

:23:08. > :23:10.both within the Democratic party yet trying to turn to that general

:23:11. > :23:15.election which as we should probably expect will be unexpected. And a

:23:16. > :23:19.quick final thought, because some people in Britain always say, why

:23:20. > :23:21.should we care, why does this matter, why are you devoting six

:23:22. > :23:28.minutes of airtime to this? What would you say? I think people should

:23:29. > :23:31.stay ahead of what is going on in international policy. From the UK

:23:32. > :23:35.angle, the Cameron Government is operating on the policy that Clinton

:23:36. > :23:40.will win the general election, the Obama administration is operating on

:23:41. > :23:43.the same idea, but I think being prepared for age much was race is

:23:44. > :23:45.something that people across the world should be ready for. Thank you

:23:46. > :23:51.very much, thank you gentlemen. Still to come, we'll be live

:23:52. > :23:54.in a village in Devon where police have begun digging in the garden

:23:55. > :23:57.of a couple who were friends with serial killers Fred

:23:58. > :24:02.and Rose West in the 1980s. A former child refugee has told this

:24:03. > :24:05.programme that David Cameron should allow more an additional 3,000

:24:06. > :24:08.Syrian children to come to the UK. The personal appeal has come

:24:09. > :24:12.from Sir Eric Reich - who is the chairman

:24:13. > :24:13.of the Kindertransport-Association Sir Eric came to the UK in 1939

:24:14. > :24:23.aged four as a refugee He said Britain should protect

:24:24. > :24:30.children who are vulnerable. They are unaccompanied children,

:24:31. > :24:32.they are in Europe and Mr Cameron thinks they are safe

:24:33. > :24:35.but they are not. They hide in woods,

:24:36. > :24:37.they hide from authorities, they are raped, the girls,

:24:38. > :24:43.they are in trafficking, there all kind of things and ten

:24:44. > :24:46.thousand children have been lost, And my view is, given that I came

:24:47. > :24:56.on what was then the Kindertransport, that Britain should

:24:57. > :25:06.help a little bit more. Ministers argue that offering

:25:07. > :25:11.sanctuary to loan children could result in more falling into the

:25:12. > :25:13.hands of traffickers. Chancellor George Osborne says discussions are

:25:14. > :25:16.ongoing about the best ways to help. Britain's always been a home

:25:17. > :25:18.to the vulnerable and we've always done what we need to do to help

:25:19. > :25:21.people who are fleeing persecution. That's why we're taking people

:25:22. > :25:24.from the refugee camps as a result And we're working with others,

:25:25. > :25:29.with charities, with other political parties, talking to people

:25:30. > :25:35.about what we can do to help the unaccompanied children as well

:25:36. > :25:39.as providing financial support. So we're in those discussions

:25:40. > :25:41.and those discussions will go on and you'll hear we've got

:25:42. > :25:45.to they say in due course. With me now is the Conservative MP

:25:46. > :25:48.Heidi Allen who has been urging David Cameron to take more refugee

:25:49. > :25:57.children from Europe. He's a U-turn on the cards?

:25:58. > :26:03.Identikit will be as dramatic as that, but our call is for what we

:26:04. > :26:06.should be doing in Europe, helping assess these children and bring them

:26:07. > :26:11.into the asylum process, that is what we are hoping to hear more

:26:12. > :26:16.detail on. Fires are taking David Cameron so to listen to you? Because

:26:17. > :26:21.I think they're genuinely is a real fear. Germany experienced this. If

:26:22. > :26:24.you open the floodgates to far, the last thing you want to do is put

:26:25. > :26:29.more children and families on this perilous journey across the sea, so

:26:30. > :26:34.I understand why we have been resisting this, trying to use our

:26:35. > :26:38.heads and hearts to come up with a solution. I have seen those boats,

:26:39. > :26:43.they are not seaworthy. But if the turkey deal that is now in place is

:26:44. > :26:47.so fantastic, and is stopping that flow, then the pull factor that

:26:48. > :26:51.people talk about has stopped pulling, so these children are

:26:52. > :26:53.trapped. They are in Europe, they can't go forward, they can't go

:26:54. > :26:58.back, and I honestly don't believe we can leave them there. I think we

:26:59. > :27:05.have an obligation to help them. Sir Eric Reich, we saw a clip of him

:27:06. > :27:10.again there. He said that if the new proposal is that children can only

:27:11. > :27:13.come here unaccompanied, if they have relatives here, that is not

:27:14. > :27:19.enough, and that seems to be proposal that being put forward. I

:27:20. > :27:22.think we have to wait and see what the Government will come forward

:27:23. > :27:26.with. That is the best start. We need to make sure that the language

:27:27. > :27:30.of the amendments that is coming back to the house on Monday, it

:27:31. > :27:33.might not be the finished article, we need to make sure that those

:27:34. > :27:38.children that do have a right to claim asylum here, we find them and

:27:39. > :27:42.we bring them home, but also working with local authorities, I know in my

:27:43. > :27:44.neighbouring constituency of Cambridge city, they are

:27:45. > :27:48.disappointed they haven't been able to offer sanctuary to more children,

:27:49. > :27:53.so the great reddish public is waiting in this country to help, and

:27:54. > :27:59.we need to use those homes and offer more if we can. Is 3000 the right

:28:00. > :28:03.number? It is a headline number. Save the children came up with this

:28:04. > :28:07.number some months ago as a best guess on their knowledge of how many

:28:08. > :28:12.unaccompanied child refugees there are in Europe and taking our

:28:13. > :28:15.proportion. There is always a debate you can have about the numbers, and

:28:16. > :28:19.I think it is right that the number has been taken out of the amendment,

:28:20. > :28:24.because we should find the children that are legally entitled to be

:28:25. > :28:28.here, if the processes are strong enough, the Macedonian border,

:28:29. > :28:30.Greece, Calais, etc, we will find them, and we should look to see what

:28:31. > :28:35.additionally local authorities can do on top of that. Stewart e-mails

:28:36. > :28:40.to say, our hearts go out to these children and families, shipping them

:28:41. > :28:45.over here is not the answer. I would argue, is it humanitarian, morally

:28:46. > :28:50.right to leave them where they are? He goes on to say, it is the

:28:51. > :28:55.governments of the nations they come from Richard Tait responsibility.

:28:56. > :28:58.They have come from Syria and Afghanistan, the support is not

:28:59. > :29:02.going to be there for them. It is great we are putting the majority of

:29:03. > :29:06.our investment into the reason, you can't empty country, you need to

:29:07. > :29:10.keep people therefore when we rebuild it when the horror is over,

:29:11. > :29:13.but that has come to late for some people, and there are thousands and

:29:14. > :29:18.thousands in Europe already, and we can't turn our back on them. Jackson

:29:19. > :29:22.says we can't get a UK children, so having more won't help. We have

:29:23. > :29:25.varying degrees of capability around the country, and the argument put to

:29:26. > :29:30.me is we have homeless people sleeping on the streets, shouldn't

:29:31. > :29:33.they come first? My argument is we need to fix that as well, but just

:29:34. > :29:37.because we have problems in some cities doesn't mean we can't help

:29:38. > :29:43.all swear. This is about sharing the burden is the human race and saying,

:29:44. > :29:46.what can I do, how can I help? In my own constituency, our rural

:29:47. > :29:50.transport is weak, so I don't think we would be the right place to house

:29:51. > :29:55.them, but I have a folder of e-mails from volunteers. I can teach, I can

:29:56. > :30:02.translate, I have mental health services, I am a doctor. We can work

:30:03. > :30:05.together as a team, provide century and all contribute. We don't all

:30:06. > :30:08.have to housed them, but between as we can find the right solution.

:30:09. > :30:13.Thank you for coming on the programme. Still to come:

:30:14. > :30:16.11-year-old Ben has cerebral palsy and he wrote to the Prime Minister

:30:17. > :30:20.because the NHS won't pave his treatment. Today he is after Street

:30:21. > :30:24.to ask David Cameron in person, and we will talk to him in the next few

:30:25. > :30:27.minutes. The parents of a two-year-old girl who died from

:30:28. > :30:31.meningitis B have accused the government of flippantly ignoring

:30:32. > :30:36.their campaign to protect all under fives with a vaccine.

:30:37. > :30:39.With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:30:40. > :30:41.The US billionaire, Donald Trump is now almost certain to win

:30:42. > :30:43.the Republican Party's presidential nomination after his main rival,

:30:44. > :30:47.Ted Cruz, withdrew from the race following another heavy defeat.

:30:48. > :30:50.Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana primary meant he could no longer see

:30:51. > :30:57.Mr Trump said his success was beautiful to behold.

:30:58. > :31:01.Our theme is very simple - it's make America great again.

:31:02. > :31:13.You will be so proud of this country, very, very soon.

:31:14. > :31:16.Tobacco companies have lost a legal challenge to the government's plans

:31:17. > :31:19.to enforce plain packaging on all tobacco products.

:31:20. > :31:22.The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg has ruled this morning

:31:23. > :31:28.that an EU directive on plain packaging is valid.

:31:29. > :31:31.The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling

:31:32. > :31:32.of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks.

:31:33. > :31:36.Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, says Labour has

:31:37. > :31:38.a "severe problem" and warns in an article

:31:39. > :31:41.in the Daily Telegraph that it will get worse if the recently

:31:42. > :31:43.announced inquiry into the issue was used as "sticking

:31:44. > :31:48.Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer

:31:49. > :31:51.phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care.

:31:52. > :31:54.Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust

:31:55. > :31:56.since her son, Connor Sparrowhawk, drowned in a bath at one

:31:57. > :32:01.A woman who claimed she worked for the Trust

:32:02. > :32:09.It's awful that you've lost him, but I do think you're

:32:10. > :32:21.I think you're a vindictive cow, on TV all the time blaming the NHS.

:32:22. > :32:24.We've been in touch with Southern Health this morning

:32:25. > :32:27.and they told us they've been made aware of the phone message

:32:28. > :32:30.through social media and find the content deeply concerning.

:32:31. > :32:31.They say they cannot condone such behaviour

:32:32. > :32:35.They urge anyone with information to get in contact to enable a full

:32:36. > :32:42.David Cameron is facing more pressure to accept

:32:43. > :32:46.an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees

:32:47. > :32:52.A personal appeal has been made by Sir Eric Reich

:32:53. > :32:58.refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called

:32:59. > :33:00.Kindertransport on the eve of the Second World War.

:33:01. > :33:02.Ministers argue that offering sanctuary to lone children

:33:03. > :33:04.could result in more falling into the hands of traffickers.

:33:05. > :33:06.Canadian authorities have ordered the evacuation of an entire city

:33:07. > :33:09.in the province of Alberta because of a huge wildfire.

:33:10. > :33:11.80,000 people have been ordered to leave Fort McMurray,

:33:12. > :33:14.as fires whipped up by winds engulfed homes and main roads,

:33:15. > :33:15.and sent ash raining down on residents.

:33:16. > :33:21.Alberta is also appealing for military help.

:33:22. > :33:27.Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

:33:28. > :33:34.Manchester City are 90 minutes from their first

:33:35. > :33:39.They'll have to get past ten times winners Real Madrid

:33:40. > :33:42.and Christiano Ronaldo first, though.

:33:43. > :33:46.The striker has been passed fit to play in tonight's

:33:47. > :33:49.And City already know who their opponents will be

:33:50. > :33:54.Atletico lost to Bayern Munich last night, but go through on away goals.

:33:55. > :33:56.Antoine Griezemann with the crucial strike.

:33:57. > :34:04.It has been less than 48 hours since Leicester City's historic

:34:05. > :34:06.Premier League title win and their manager Claudio Ranieri

:34:07. > :34:09.has already had to send out a "hands off" warning to other

:34:10. > :34:12.Ranieri is expecting offers from around Europe but wants his

:34:13. > :34:15.newly crowned champions to stay at the club and continue their hard

:34:16. > :34:22.He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters,

:34:23. > :34:31.so the world number two goes through to the third round.

:34:32. > :34:34.Police are carrying out an intensive search at a property

:34:35. > :34:38.The home was lived in by a couple who knew the serial killers Fred

:34:39. > :34:41.and Rose West and have been jailed for serious sexual offences over

:34:42. > :34:44.The police say David and Pauline Williams carried

:34:45. > :34:46.out sickening attacks on children and teenagers.

:34:47. > :34:48.Our correspondent Hamish Marshall is outside the house

:34:49. > :35:03.Well, there is two police search teams. You can see the vans that

:35:04. > :35:08.they have arrived in this morning. They are searching the garden. The

:35:09. > :35:12.Following and tarpaulin was erected over the last 24 hours. We haven't

:35:13. > :35:16.heard any machinery. We have heard spades and other manual activities

:35:17. > :35:20.going on, but there is probably a dozen officers inside there now.

:35:21. > :35:26.This was the home of David and Pauline Williams. Two paedophiles.

:35:27. > :35:30.David Williams jailed for life last year and Pauline Williams jailed for

:35:31. > :35:34.12 years for a string of sexual offences against young boys and

:35:35. > :35:37.girls. The police say they are acting on historic information that

:35:38. > :35:41.they have been given with regard to this and they expect the search here

:35:42. > :35:59.will take four days. Thank you.

:36:00. > :36:01.Three times a week Ben Badderley, who has Cerebal Palsy,

:36:02. > :36:03.has life-changing physio to help him to walk unaided.

:36:04. > :36:06.His dream is to play football in the park this summer,

:36:07. > :36:09.but the cost of his ?450 a week treatment is being paid

:36:10. > :36:11.for by his family and their money is running out.

:36:12. > :36:13.Taking matters into his own hands, 11-year-old Ben wrote

:36:14. > :36:16.to the Prime Minister asking why he wasn't entitled to treatment

:36:17. > :36:21.To his surprise he heard back, but he wasn't happy

:36:22. > :36:24.Today, he's going back to Downing Street to deliver

:36:25. > :36:29.Ben and his mum Amy are here. Thank you very much for coming on the

:36:30. > :36:34.programme. Hi Ben, thank you for coming on. Think you might be really

:36:35. > :36:36.useful for people who want to learn more about cerebral palsy to

:36:37. > :36:43.describe what it is and how it affects your son? Yes, it is brain

:36:44. > :36:48.damage and scarring. When we move our arms and legs, averagely, the

:36:49. > :36:52.brain channels those nerve signals to our fingers and our toes and we

:36:53. > :36:57.can move freely. With children like Ben and sufferers like Ben, those

:36:58. > :37:02.nerves come through like muffled because they have scarring on the

:37:03. > :37:06.brain. So the signals misfire and they cause a constant tightness, the

:37:07. > :37:10.easiest way to explain and to allow someone to kind of get the idea of

:37:11. > :37:15.what it feels like is if you tense yourself up, that's what a sufferer

:37:16. > :37:22.feels every single day. Right. Every minute of every single day. Yeah.

:37:23. > :37:27.Wow. OK. And Ben was diagnosed as a young baby, weren't you, Ben? Yeah.

:37:28. > :37:38.Tell us how it affects you. What would you say? I'm really tight and

:37:39. > :37:44.really incomfortable. Just before my operation I only had like half days

:37:45. > :38:03.at school. I couldn't cope with the amount of pain and now I've had my

:38:04. > :38:09.operation, I'm in full days and I'm, I can write with a pen. And that was

:38:10. > :38:13.an operation Ben was due to have on the NHS, but it got cancelled? Yeah,

:38:14. > :38:16.that's right. Our local hospital transferred Ben to Nottingham to see

:38:17. > :38:21.a specialist surgeon that deals with spinal surgery. He was accepted as

:38:22. > :38:29.an excellent candidate and we were put on the SDR programme. He went

:38:30. > :38:32.through two years of pre-op tests and body conditioning, and it was

:38:33. > :38:37.hard work, wasn't it, little man? Yes. We had to get his body ready

:38:38. > :38:40.for surgery, but at the same time he had to be taken off all his

:38:41. > :38:44.medication, because it wouldn't be safe to put a child to sleep with

:38:45. > :38:47.all that medication in their system. He was taken off the medication and

:38:48. > :38:50.it was five days, we were due to go in on the Thursday and we got the

:38:51. > :38:55.letter on the Saturday. What happened? They basically said they

:38:56. > :39:00.were no longer fund that type of treatment. That the NHS were no

:39:01. > :39:05.longer able to fund it for anybody. It wasn't just Ben, we weren't

:39:06. > :39:08.singled out or anything, it was all cerebral palsy sufferers and when we

:39:09. > :39:14.obviously got in touch with the NHS, the only option was to either sit

:39:15. > :39:18.and wait with the child that was in constant pain, or self fund the

:39:19. > :39:30.final part of the SDR programme which was the surgery and they sent

:39:31. > :39:36.us a bill for ?1440. Wow. -- ?11440. Wow. How did you get the money for

:39:37. > :39:40.that? We did an appeal through the BBC. An anonymous donator came

:39:41. > :39:45.forward and he paid directly into Nottingham for Benl. Ben was put on

:39:46. > :39:49.the waiting list and waited two weeks and you had the operation at

:39:50. > :39:55.Nottingham, didn't you? Yeah. In the hospital. But it is not just the

:39:56. > :40:00.surgery, it is the intensive physio which is crucial... It is, yeah.

:40:01. > :40:05.Which comes afterwards. It wasn't just that you were raising ?11500

:40:06. > :40:09.for the op, it was the treatment? We had this slapped on us to start with

:40:10. > :40:13.and when we got home from the hospital, after being drilled into

:40:14. > :40:16.us how important the rehab was, if Ben was ever going to stand a chance

:40:17. > :40:22.of walking or being able to use his hands he had to have this intensive

:40:23. > :40:28.physio and we were home, only a few days, weren't we, little man? Yeah.

:40:29. > :40:32.Unfortunately, because of the cuts and everything, our local physio

:40:33. > :40:37.department haven't been commissioned to help Ben, but again, we're not

:40:38. > :40:41.singled out. It is everybody. We're not the only ones. So you have been

:40:42. > :40:44.trying to pay for that yourself which is several hundred pounds

:40:45. > :40:52.every week? It comes to under ?2,000 a month. Right. It is ?150 per

:40:53. > :40:56.hourly session. He needs, ideally he needs three session a week and we

:40:57. > :41:04.have had to drop one because we are struggling to fund. My husband works

:41:05. > :41:12.all the hours he can get. Ben, what do you have to do? First I go in. I

:41:13. > :41:20.have some stretching and then it is things like leg raisers and planks.

:41:21. > :41:24.And your gym boy, you have to sit on that? Yeah. There is all sorts of

:41:25. > :41:27.different equipment that's been donated to him through charities and

:41:28. > :41:34.stuff. You've got your bike now, haven't you as well? Yeah. I can

:41:35. > :41:40.ride that without my legs being sell taped to the pedals! He can! It is a

:41:41. > :41:43.two-wheeled bike and something he has always wanted to be able to do

:41:44. > :41:47.and he can ride that now. I think you decided you wanted to write to

:41:48. > :41:54.the Prime Minister, didn't you, Ben? Yeah, I wanted to find out why he

:41:55. > :42:01.can't just fix the NHS for everyone. And what did you think of his reply?

:42:02. > :42:09.It wasn't what I asked. It was just going over what the NHS said to us a

:42:10. > :42:15.few months back. What were you hoping from that letter, Amy? In all

:42:16. > :42:21.honesty, I didn't expect him to get a reply. We were really shocked when

:42:22. > :42:26.he got a reply. But when I opened it, I was disappointed because Ben

:42:27. > :42:29.spent two days writing his letter because he has only just started

:42:30. > :42:33.being able to use his hands and it was a print-out letter that he

:42:34. > :42:37.signed, he had signed it, and it was just the same. We have been in these

:42:38. > :42:41.conversations with the NHS since the beginning and it was as though he

:42:42. > :42:46.had just printed off what they had said. And we were very disappointed.

:42:47. > :42:51.You could tell from the letter that he hadn't looked at not just Ben's

:42:52. > :42:54.situation, but the whole of the cerebral palsy situation within the

:42:55. > :42:59.NHS. We're not the only ones struggling. It is across the whole

:43:00. > :43:02.of the country. And his reply was sort of I'm sorry that it happened

:43:03. > :43:05.to you, but well done for fund raiding and paying for your own

:43:06. > :43:10.treatment, but that's not what the NHS is there for. We have got a

:43:11. > :43:14.National Health Service and it needs fixing like he says. I agree with

:43:15. > :43:17.him. Everything is very plaque and white with a child and you just

:43:18. > :43:20.don't understand and it is very difficult from a paurpbt's point of

:43:21. > :43:24.view to try and explain that because he is right. Something needs to

:43:25. > :43:28.happen somewhere to help. You have written again and you're going to

:43:29. > :43:35.Downing Street. Yeah. How do you feel about that, Ben? I'm a bit

:43:36. > :43:40.nervous. Don't be. It is just a big door!

:43:41. > :43:47.LAUGHTER What have you written in this

:43:48. > :44:01.letter? I've told him again that he has not answered my questions and

:44:02. > :44:05.that I asked him again. And it's just annoying that he has not

:44:06. > :44:08.answered my questions. What you want Amy is your local

:44:09. > :44:12.trust to pay for the physio, that's the bottom line, isn't it? That's

:44:13. > :44:17.the bottom line, yes. You understand that the pot of money is apparently

:44:18. > :44:23.finite, the decisions or the choices that the Government makes means that

:44:24. > :44:30.the money is not ever ending when they have to make decisions? When Mr

:44:31. > :44:32.Cameron replied, he is right, this funding goes to certain

:44:33. > :44:37.commissioning groups and they have to make an educated decision as to

:44:38. > :44:42.who gets the funding. How can they make a proper opinion and a real

:44:43. > :44:47.decision when they're stuck with a bottom line of an amount that they

:44:48. > :44:51.have to spend? If they had the total that they needed to treat all the

:44:52. > :44:55.children this North Staffs I'm sure they would, but they can't do that

:44:56. > :44:59.on a shoe string, can they? It is difficult.

:45:00. > :45:09.If the money isn't forthcoming, what are you going to do? Keep fighting.

:45:10. > :45:14.Ben went from being in a wheelchair to being able to freely walk here

:45:15. > :45:19.today. That's a magnificent achievement, Ben, don't you reckon?

:45:20. > :45:24.Yeah. Good. He is doing amazingly well. Aren't you? Yeah. And we've

:45:25. > :45:28.got the proof. I'm locking everything douvenlt I know I'm just

:45:29. > :45:31.one person and he is just one little child, but you've got to fight for

:45:32. > :45:35.something. You've got to fight and hope, and we can only hope and we

:45:36. > :45:38.can only try. Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you for

:45:39. > :45:45.letting us come and see you. Say thank you. Thanks. Good luck for

:45:46. > :45:49.this arch. We have contacted North Staffordshire clinical group and a

:45:50. > :45:52.spokesperson said we are unable to comment on individual cases,

:45:53. > :45:57.however, we would always look to work closely with any family that's

:45:58. > :46:03.seeking specialist support for complex care needs.

:46:04. > :46:04.We commission a quality physiotherapy service

:46:05. > :46:07.for children in the local area, which has the skills and capability

:46:08. > :46:11.Our priority is to ensure that any child receives the NHS care

:46:12. > :46:13.and treatment that is clinically appropriate for their needs.

:46:14. > :46:16.We would encourage the family to contact us, if they need

:46:17. > :46:18.any support in applying for private physiotherapy.

:46:19. > :46:20.And we've had this statement from a Downing Street spokesman,

:46:21. > :46:23.who said, "The Prime Minister looks forward to receiving Ben's letter

:46:24. > :46:25.and will of course respond as soon as possible.

:46:26. > :46:27.Under this Government, NHS spending in England

:46:28. > :46:30.will increase by ?10 billion over the next five years.

:46:31. > :46:33.Earlier in the programme, we heard from the parents

:46:34. > :46:35.of a toddler who died from meningitis B.

:46:36. > :46:38.Jen and Neil Burdett have criticised the Government for "flippantly

:46:39. > :46:40.ignoring" their campaign to protect all under-5s with a vaccine.

:46:41. > :46:42.Two-year-old Faye Burdett died on Valentine's Day

:46:43. > :46:48.An e-petition calling for all children, not just babies,

:46:49. > :46:51.to be vaccinated from the disease became the biggest ever,

:46:52. > :46:58.But ministers rejected their campaign as not

:46:59. > :47:14.Here's what Faye's parents had to say.

:47:15. > :47:20.People should know that there is a vaccine, and if you want to pay

:47:21. > :47:24.privately to go and do that, you can, but it is expensive, and if you

:47:25. > :47:30.have two or three children, how do you choose? And because the decision

:47:31. > :47:32.we made at the end of Faye's life, we never want to imagine another

:47:33. > :47:37.family having to make that decision am no parent should decide whether

:47:38. > :47:40.the kindest thing to do is to allow your child to die because it caught

:47:41. > :47:45.a disease which it could vaccinate against. To ask, that drove us

:47:46. > :47:51.forward, because we thought, we have to make people aware that you just

:47:52. > :47:54.can't ever imagine being put in that position, and then when you are, you

:47:55. > :48:02.want to protect others from going through the same thing. So where

:48:03. > :48:06.does your campaign go now? We stress that people need to be vigilant of

:48:07. > :48:12.the signs, that is the top priority, but also to listen to how you feel.

:48:13. > :48:16.If your child is unwell to a degree that has never been that ill before,

:48:17. > :48:22.and you take them to a GP or paediatric doctor, and they send you

:48:23. > :48:26.home and your gut instinct says, this isn't right, then from somebody

:48:27. > :48:31.who isn't that forceful, I say, you must push. You must ask a second

:48:32. > :48:36.opinions, because at the end of the date, time is of the essence. If you

:48:37. > :48:39.feel that your child is so out of character, you have to speak for

:48:40. > :48:46.them, because sadly the doctors can't always diagnose this like they

:48:47. > :48:50.showed. And you can get the cards from doctors surgeries, from

:48:51. > :48:54.hospitals, schools, nurseries, and they have all the symptoms in there,

:48:55. > :48:58.the cold hands, the headaches, not wanting to be touched. That is what

:48:59. > :49:03.you have got to look for, don't wait for the rash. And even if none of

:49:04. > :49:10.those symptoms are there, just trust your instincts and get them help.

:49:11. > :49:17.And because of our daughter only being two, people need to be aware

:49:18. > :49:22.that not just babies, toddlers, but young children, teenagers, adults,

:49:23. > :49:27.this isn't just, we try to protect the youngest because they have the

:49:28. > :49:31.highest fatale T sadly now, but if your teenager looks unwell and start

:49:32. > :49:37.acting strange, you have to do the same. You could lose someone within

:49:38. > :49:43.12 hours from this disease, it is horrendous, it is horrible. Neil and

:49:44. > :49:46.Jen Burdett on the programme earlier.

:49:47. > :49:48.The NHS mental health provider, Southern Health, is investigating

:49:49. > :49:51.an abusive message left on the phone of a woman whose son died from

:49:52. > :49:58.The caller claimed to work at the trust.

:49:59. > :50:02.Our reporter Sarah Campbell can tell us more.

:50:03. > :50:09.What has been going on? Southern trust, one of the largest providers

:50:10. > :50:13.of mental health care in England, has been coming under a lot of

:50:14. > :50:16.criticism for its standards of care. On Friday, the Care Quality

:50:17. > :50:19.Commission, the CQC, released a damning report following an

:50:20. > :50:23.independent report that was released in December which said that since

:50:24. > :50:28.2011, the health care trust had failed to properly investigate

:50:29. > :50:34.hundreds of deaths, and one of those, the one that sparked off the

:50:35. > :50:39.investigation was that of 18-year-olds Conor sparrowhawk who

:50:40. > :50:43.died in a bath following an epileptic seizure, and an inquest

:50:44. > :50:47.jury found it was neglect by the trust which had contributed to his

:50:48. > :50:53.death. His mother, Sara Ryan, has been leading calls for seedier

:50:54. > :50:58.managers to take responsibility for their failures. -- senior managers.

:50:59. > :51:01.It was when the report was published that she received abusive voice mail

:51:02. > :51:04.message on her office phone purporting to be left by an employee

:51:05. > :51:19.of the trust. Let's have a listen. I do think you are being very deemed

:51:20. > :51:26.it to -- vindictive. You are a vindictive cow, on TV all the time,

:51:27. > :51:30.slating the NHS. That is to the mother of an 18-year-old who died in

:51:31. > :51:34.terrible circumstances. Sara said she found the message horrific, and

:51:35. > :51:38.she has passed it over to the police to investigate. What are the trust

:51:39. > :51:41.saying in the meantime? We've been in touch

:51:42. > :51:43.with Southern Health this morning. They told us they've been made aware

:51:44. > :51:46.of the phone message through social media and find

:51:47. > :51:48.the content deeply concerning. They say they cannot

:51:49. > :51:50.condone such behaviour They urge anyone with information

:51:51. > :52:04.to get in contact to enable a full Thank you very much, Sarah. Thank

:52:05. > :52:09.you for your messages this morning. On all the stories in the news, but

:52:10. > :52:12.in particular on the pressure that is apparently on David Cameron to

:52:13. > :52:18.allow 3000 unaccompanied Syrian refugee children into Britain. This

:52:19. > :52:21.e-mail from Linda, how have these children got the right to come here?

:52:22. > :52:25.They should be settled into various countries where they can be with

:52:26. > :52:28.fellow worshippers. They don't have any rights in this country as far as

:52:29. > :52:32.I can see. We should be licking after the rights of our own children

:52:33. > :52:35.first. Marie says, I watch a programme with gauge interest,

:52:36. > :52:38.another question child refugees, look at the map at the unfair

:52:39. > :52:42.distribution of these unfortunate children. You will find that most of

:52:43. > :52:46.these people find themselves in places like Middlesbrough which

:52:47. > :52:48.cannot housed or find jobs for them, and has a high and implement rate.

:52:49. > :52:56.Thank you for those. Earlier in the programme we spoke

:52:57. > :53:03.to the defence minister Penny Morduant as part

:53:04. > :53:05.of a discussion on whether Britain will be safer either

:53:06. > :53:07.IN the European Union or voting Penny Morduant as part

:53:08. > :53:10.of a discussion on whether Britain will be safer either

:53:11. > :53:12.IN the European Union or voting During our interview,

:53:13. > :53:14.I questioned something Penny said about how much control we have over

:53:15. > :53:21.those coming into the UK Because you have to apply a

:53:22. > :53:25.different level of evidence to those coming from the EU. If they have a

:53:26. > :53:28.EU passport, even if you might have deep suspicions about how they

:53:29. > :53:31.obtained that passport, you cannot apply the same thresholds that we

:53:32. > :53:36.would do to someone coming from outside. But I'm looking at the

:53:37. > :53:41.rules now, you can block people coming in even with a EU passport on

:53:42. > :53:47.the grounds of public policy, security or health. It is a

:53:48. > :53:52.different threshold. No, that is it. There was a ruling in 2014 which

:53:53. > :53:58.basically says that the threshold we have to apply to those people has to

:53:59. > :54:04.be serious... That is after ten years, don't mislead people. That is

:54:05. > :54:10.not true. Our political guru Norman Smith has been doing some checking

:54:11. > :54:18.for us. Go on. It is kind of a score draw. The rules are this. If you are

:54:19. > :54:22.a non-EU citizens, and you have been convicted of a criminal offence for

:54:23. > :54:26.which you have gone to jail for more than four years, we can say, no way

:54:27. > :54:30.are you coming into Britain, and over the past for five-year is, we

:54:31. > :54:36.have turned away around 60,000 non-EU citizens. EU citizens where

:54:37. > :54:41.you had that spat with Penny Morduant about, the rules are more,

:54:42. > :54:46.located. You are right that if we think someone is a serious threat to

:54:47. > :54:50.public policy or security or health, the Home Secretary can say, I'm not

:54:51. > :54:57.sure we want this citizen coming into the UK. And around 6000 have

:54:58. > :54:59.been told you can't come in. However, and this is where Penny

:55:00. > :55:15.Morduant is right, there was a famous court case in 2014 called the

:55:16. > :55:18.ZZ case, and ZZ was an Algerian national who was married to an

:55:19. > :55:23.initial man, the Home Secretary didn't like the look of him and

:55:24. > :55:27.turned him down, not allowing him into the EU as a serious threat to

:55:28. > :55:34.public security. So far, so clear. But Mr ZZ appealed and won that

:55:35. > :55:38.appeal on the grounds that he was not able to be shown the evidence

:55:39. > :55:43.Theresa May had against him of his terrorist links, and the European

:55:44. > :55:47.court said, do you know what, that is right, that is unfair, that is on

:55:48. > :55:53.due process, he hasn't been given a fair chance, and Mr ZZ has been

:55:54. > :55:56.allowed in. So it is correct we can turn away people if we think they

:55:57. > :56:01.are threat to public security, but there is a chink in that because of

:56:02. > :56:03.the ZZ case where Mrs may try to stop someone coming in who she

:56:04. > :56:10.thought was a threat and wasn't able to do so.

:56:11. > :56:14.Fair enough. We don't know the answer to this, but had the evidence

:56:15. > :56:21.been shown by the Home Secretary to this individual, Britain would have

:56:22. > :56:25.been able to send this person back? To be honest, that is something you

:56:26. > :56:28.can only really know in a court of law, and I suppose that is the issue

:56:29. > :56:32.which Penny Morduant was pressing at, we do not have the absolute

:56:33. > :56:36.right to say no, there are legal chinks which have been cranked open

:56:37. > :56:41.a bit by this ZZ case which presumably in the future if there

:56:42. > :56:45.were other EU nationals coming here, if Theresa May thought they might

:56:46. > :56:50.have terrorist connections, they could say, show us the evidence, and

:56:51. > :56:56.the Home Secretary wouldn't want to put the evidence in court because

:56:57. > :57:00.they could inform others. Thank you very much for that. More

:57:01. > :57:06.enlightening information for you, I hope. Lots of you getting in touch

:57:07. > :57:12.about Donald Trump. Graham says, as a Balmer spoke out against leaving

:57:13. > :57:21.VE you, we should be doing the same against Trump, he is a bigoted fool.

:57:22. > :57:23.-- Obama. And this one... Sorry I have just realised there is a rude

:57:24. > :57:28.word in there, I am not reading that. Alistair says I think this

:57:29. > :57:30.election campaign is the most embarrassing yet in the United

:57:31. > :57:34.States. Do they know that the world is laughing at them? Terry says,

:57:35. > :57:39.this is the best thing that could happen for the Democrats. And Mark,

:57:40. > :57:41.the USA has its first right-wing shock jock is a president candidate,

:57:42. > :57:46.because that is where Donald Trump of all his policies from. Stewart

:57:47. > :57:49.says, the people of America seem to like Donald Trump, it is their

:57:50. > :57:56.choice, we have no say and nor should we. And thank you for the

:57:57. > :58:01.messages on cerebral palsy. We were talking to Ben Adderley who is going

:58:02. > :58:05.to Downing Street with his mum to try to get David Cameron to get his

:58:06. > :58:10.local trust to pay for physiotherapy. Stephen says, they

:58:11. > :58:16.are remarkable people. Surely his treatment must be funded? If the NHS

:58:17. > :58:20.can't help them, we can. And cookie says, this is a brave child, trying

:58:21. > :58:21.to get help from David Cameron. Thank you for those, back tomorrow

:58:22. > :58:25.at nine. Have a good day.