09/05/2016

:00:16. > :00:19.That's the claim the Prime Minister has made in a speech this morning.

:00:20. > :00:20.We'll bring you the details and reaction.

:00:21. > :00:24.a man who says he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped

:00:25. > :00:30.by a family friend as a teenager tells us the impact it's had on him.

:00:31. > :00:33.There's been no justice here whatsoever.

:00:34. > :00:37.You don't get your day in court, you don't get to be vindicated.

:00:38. > :00:42.You open that floodgate to talk about this thing,

:00:43. > :00:45.which is horrendous anyway, and no-one really wants to believe

:00:46. > :00:57.And it has waived his right to anonymity to tell you a story.

:00:58. > :01:01.And - a former escort at the centre of a celebrity injunction tells us

:01:02. > :01:02.injunctions are a complete waste of time.

:01:03. > :01:05.Helen Wood from Bolton was paid around 200 quid for sex

:01:06. > :01:09.with a married actor who we can't name.

:01:10. > :01:19.I think it's really unfair. It is unverified and, even though my name

:01:20. > :01:29.is out there, he has paid for an injunction.

:01:30. > :01:32.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

:01:33. > :01:34.If you're getting in touch, do use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:01:35. > :01:37.and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:01:38. > :01:40.A little later in the programme we'll bring you the latest video

:01:41. > :01:44.diary from our jubilant Leicester fans, we'll hear how some

:01:45. > :01:47.of the stars came out in force to defend the BBC at the BAFTAs last

:01:48. > :01:52.night and we'll hear from Johnny Depp, who's taking

:01:53. > :01:56.after that excruciating apology to Austrailia for bringing his dogs

:01:57. > :02:04.Peace in Europe could be at risk if Britain votes

:02:05. > :02:07.to leave the European Union, that's the message from

:02:08. > :02:10.David Cameron as he puts forward the case to remain in the EU.

:02:11. > :02:12.In a speech focused on national security, the Prime Minister has

:02:13. > :02:15.warned that the peace and stability, which Europe has enjoyed

:02:16. > :02:18.over the last few years, cannot be guaranteed in the event

:02:19. > :02:31.What happens in Europe affects us whether we like it or not.

:02:32. > :02:37.We must be strong in Europe if we want to be strong at home and in the

:02:38. > :02:49.world. Second, the dangerous international situation facing

:02:50. > :02:56.Britain means we need to stand united. Now is the time her strength

:02:57. > :02:59.in numbers. Third, keeping our people safe from modern terrorist

:03:00. > :03:07.networks and from serious crime that crosses waters means we to develop

:03:08. > :03:13.much closer means of security cooperation within Europe. It needs

:03:14. > :03:22.to be fully engaged with that. Fourth, far from Britain's influence

:03:23. > :03:28.in the world being undermined, the EU amplifies our power. It helps us

:03:29. > :03:31.achieve the things we want, whether fighting disease in Africa, tackling

:03:32. > :03:37.climate change, taking on people smugglers. That is not just our

:03:38. > :03:39.view. It is the view of our allies and friends.

:03:40. > :03:41.Our correspondent Iain Watson has been following that speech

:03:42. > :03:43.and joins me now from the British Museum.

:03:44. > :03:53.What would you take from this? The Prime Minister is about to leave

:03:54. > :03:57.after speaking foreigner here. You cannot accuse him of understating

:03:58. > :04:01.his case when it comes to calling for Britain to remain inside the

:04:02. > :04:05.European Union. His speech took in the broad sweep of history, I guess

:04:06. > :04:13.that is why he is at the British Museum. He said that our future and

:04:14. > :04:17.past is linked to Europe. He mentioned the Second World War and

:04:18. > :04:21.said, Churchill stood against tyranny on his own, he would have

:04:22. > :04:27.liked to have had European allies. The best way to stop nations being

:04:28. > :04:32.at each other's throats is to stay inside the European Union. The other

:04:33. > :04:36.side says this is desperate scare mongering. There is a group you will

:04:37. > :04:44.not have heard of but I got an e-mail from a group called

:04:45. > :04:47.Historians for Britain, and they are saying that the Prime Minister is

:04:48. > :04:53.being historically illiterate, that there are other institutions such as

:04:54. > :05:04.needle which have played a greater role. -- such as Nato. Boris Johnson

:05:05. > :05:07.will attack the Prime Minister for the deal he negotiated with

:05:08. > :05:18.Brussels. He says he will debunk some of the myths which the campaign

:05:19. > :05:24.have been propagating. Let us get reaction from our audience. This

:05:25. > :05:28.tweet from Ken, I did not believe David Cameron could go so low as to

:05:29. > :05:36.use the following heroes of World War II in this way. And another

:05:37. > :05:43.person says, this is scraping the barrel to pretend World War three

:05:44. > :05:50.will happen if we leave the EU. I think the Prime Minister's speech

:05:51. > :05:55.has been controversial. One of the most controversial passages has been

:05:56. > :05:58.this line about the tombstones being testament to what happens if you

:05:59. > :06:06.turn your back on Europe, that isolationism has got us nowhere.

:06:07. > :06:12.What he is trying to achieve our two things. Remain always thought people

:06:13. > :06:17.would think about the head and not the heart. But he does not want to

:06:18. > :06:25.see the emotional arguments to the other side. He wants to make the

:06:26. > :06:32.patriotically saw Europe, to say it is as patriotic to want to remain as

:06:33. > :06:37.to pull out but to do so he has used some very controversial imagery, a

:06:38. > :06:40.risk. Thank you. Joanna is in the BBC

:06:41. > :06:43.Newsroom with a summary Talks to end a long-running

:06:44. > :06:47.dispute over new contracts for junior doctors in England

:06:48. > :06:49.will get underway today. The government and the BMA will meet

:06:50. > :06:52.for the first time since February. The row has so far resulted

:06:53. > :06:54.in several days of strikes, Meanwhile, researchers

:06:55. > :06:59.at Oxford University say data indicating higher deaths rates among

:07:00. > :07:02.patients admitted to hospital Here's our Health Correspondent,

:07:03. > :07:07.Adam Brimelow. For the first time since February,

:07:08. > :07:14.representatives for junior doctors and the Government will meet to try

:07:15. > :07:17.to end a dispute that has already prompted many several days

:07:18. > :07:22.of strikes, delaying thousands of operations and

:07:23. > :07:24.hospital appointments. One of the Government's key

:07:25. > :07:28.arguments for a new contract has Data showing a weekend

:07:29. > :07:36.effect with death rates being higher for people admitted

:07:37. > :07:40.over the weekend period are There are 1,700 patients on this

:07:41. > :07:47.study recorded as having A third of these were

:07:48. > :07:51.recorded inaccurately. Many of them were in for routine,

:07:52. > :07:56.low-risk procedures carried out The effect of the error

:07:57. > :08:06.was to distort patient safety. Researchers say mistakes in

:08:07. > :08:13.recording what goes on in hospitals skewed mortality figures,

:08:14. > :08:15.making them appear better for patients admitted on weekdays

:08:16. > :08:18.than those on weekends. We found no evidence of this weekend

:08:19. > :08:23.effect in these high quality It really is an excellent example

:08:24. > :08:28.of how poor quality data badly interpreted can lead

:08:29. > :08:33.to the wrong answer. NHS England says the quality of the

:08:34. > :08:40.data has improved in recent years. It says none of this

:08:41. > :08:42.affects the wider issue, that patients should be seen

:08:43. > :08:44.promptly by a consultant and should have access to treatment

:08:45. > :08:54.any day of the week. A BBC News reporter,

:08:55. > :08:56.producer and cameraman have been expelled from North Korea,

:08:57. > :08:59.with one asked to sign a confession following an eight

:09:00. > :09:01.hour interrogation. Maria Byrne and Matthew Goddard -

:09:02. > :09:05.were due to leave Pyongyang at the end of last week

:09:06. > :09:08.but were detained as they were about They were taken to a hotel for

:09:09. > :09:13.questioning, with the North Korean regime unhappy about a series

:09:14. > :09:16.of television and online reports. All three have now been taken back

:09:17. > :09:19.to the airport to board More than 250 construction workers,

:09:20. > :09:24.who say they were prevented from working because of a so-called

:09:25. > :09:28.employers' blacklist, are to share more than 10 million

:09:29. > :09:32.pounds in compensation. The deal, involving workers

:09:33. > :09:33.from the Unite union, marks the end of a long-running

:09:34. > :09:37.legal case brought against leading The total bill for compensation

:09:38. > :09:41.and legal fees is thought to run A survey of ten and eleven year

:09:42. > :09:51.old children in England has suggested that nearly 90 percent

:09:52. > :09:54.of them feel under pressure to do Newsround programme,

:09:55. > :09:59.also found some children lose sleep Last week, thousands of parents

:10:00. > :10:16.withdrew their children from school, I cannot really get to sleep that

:10:17. > :10:23.much and not easily. I get that Rush and you feel like you've forgotten

:10:24. > :10:26.everything. I am feeling worried. You are worried about how you're

:10:27. > :10:30.going to do and you don't know if it's going to be a bad they are a

:10:31. > :10:32.good day. I am so ready for them to be over. I'm getting sick of doing

:10:33. > :10:35.these practice ones. A 49 year old man has told this

:10:36. > :10:38.programme, how he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped

:10:39. > :10:42.at the age of 15 by a family friend who shot himself minutes

:10:43. > :10:43.after police warned him he was about to be arrested over his

:10:44. > :10:46.historical sex abuse claims. David, who's waived his right

:10:47. > :10:48.to anonymity, also claims he was abused by other men at flats

:10:49. > :10:52.in Dolphin Square, a block of flats in London which has been

:10:53. > :10:54.investigated by police over claims of a Westminster VIP

:10:55. > :11:07.paedophile ring. I ended up losing my career over it

:11:08. > :11:15.because I needed time off. I only had six weeks off. I shut down, did

:11:16. > :11:18.not eat for days, I lost three stone, I did not shower or shave for

:11:19. > :11:22.a fortnight, I did not want to leave the house. Luckily I had good

:11:23. > :11:29.friends who said you've got to get on with life, we are going here, we

:11:30. > :11:30.are going there, so I was lucky from that point of view, but it destroys

:11:31. > :11:32.you. A fifth of the oil town

:11:33. > :11:35.of Fort McMurray has been destroyed by the wildfire that has

:11:36. > :11:37.raged in central Canada It's expected to be the most

:11:38. > :11:40.costly natural disaster But officials say the fire may have

:11:41. > :11:44.reached a turning point, with cooler The BBC picked up more

:11:45. > :11:49.than half of the awards Some winners used their acceptance

:11:50. > :11:54.speeches to defend the corporation, ahead of this week's government

:11:55. > :11:57.White Paper on its future. Wolf Hall won Best British

:11:58. > :12:03.Drama and Best Actor. Its director, Peter Kosminsky,

:12:04. > :12:05.took the opportunity to warn the government against interfering

:12:06. > :12:07.with public service broadcasting. Our Entertainment Correspondent,

:12:08. > :12:11.Lizo Mzimba, has more. Some of the biggest stars

:12:12. > :12:14.of the small screen on the red From Bake Off to

:12:15. > :12:21.Britain's Got Talent, tonight is all about celebrating

:12:22. > :12:27.the very best of British television. With its future soon to come under

:12:28. > :12:30.parliamentary scrutiny, It took over half

:12:31. > :12:35.the evening's awards. The director got a standing

:12:36. > :12:42.ovation for talking about a In many ways, our broadcasting,

:12:43. > :12:55.BBC and Channel 4, which they are attempting to eviscerate,

:12:56. > :12:57.is the envy of the world. We should stand for it,

:12:58. > :13:00.not let it go by default. If we don't, blink,

:13:01. > :13:03.and it will be gone. John Whittingdale has said

:13:04. > :13:11.he is a BBC supporter but he has expressed concern

:13:12. > :13:17.about its scale and scope. The BBC was dominant

:13:18. > :13:20.in terms of awards tonight. The Great British Bake Off,

:13:21. > :13:22.Strictly Come Dancing The BBC will be hoping that

:13:23. > :13:30.the evening's significant haul will be a reminder to the public

:13:31. > :13:34.and politicians about That's a summary of the latest BBC

:13:35. > :13:48.News - more at 9.30. The next few minutes

:13:49. > :13:50.we'll bring you that full interview with Helen Wood -

:13:51. > :13:53.the former escort at the centre of Do get in touch with us

:13:54. > :13:56.throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:13:57. > :13:59.and If you text, you will be charged Jessica has all the sport now

:14:00. > :14:03.and it could be a nervous final week of the season

:14:04. > :14:13.for Manchester City fans. It definitely could be. It is close

:14:14. > :14:17.at the top and everybody is trying to qualify for the Champions League.

:14:18. > :14:22.Manchester City have not done themselves the best of favours.

:14:23. > :14:27.Manuel Pellegrini did not get the farewell he would have wanted with

:14:28. > :14:31.their final home game of the season, which saw them drop with Arsenal.

:14:32. > :14:36.Getting into the Champions League is now out of their hands. Twice they

:14:37. > :14:41.lost their lead. It was Alexis Sanchez for Arsenal that brought

:14:42. > :14:45.them back to 2-2. Annie Welbeck injured his knee, which could be a

:14:46. > :14:49.blow to England. With Manchester City dropping points it could mean

:14:50. > :14:52.they are pushed out of the qualifying points by Manchester

:14:53. > :15:08.United, who travelled to West Ham tomorrow night. It is out of our

:15:09. > :15:10.hands. On Tuesday we will know what happens, but we will try to win our

:15:11. > :15:15.last game at Swansea. Tottenham's disappointing week

:15:16. > :15:16.didn't get any better. They lost 2-1 to Southampton

:15:17. > :15:19.in their final home But they can still secure second

:15:20. > :15:26.place in the table, if they get a point against Newcastle on Sunday,

:15:27. > :15:28.which would be their best ever Liverpool are back winning ways in

:15:29. > :15:38.the league. They beat

:15:39. > :15:40.Watford two-nil at Anfield. Joe Allen and Roberto Firminho

:15:41. > :15:43.scored the goals and that keeps them eighth in the table,

:15:44. > :15:45.a point behind West Ham. Ronny Deila will leave Celtic having

:15:46. > :15:47.guided the club to back-to-back It was their fifth in a row

:15:48. > :15:55.after a 3-2 win over nearest rivals They were already nine

:15:56. > :15:59.points clear of the visitors 19-year-old Patrick Roberts,

:16:00. > :16:04.on loan from Manchester City scored Andy Murray has slipped to third

:16:05. > :16:10.in the World rankings after losing the final of the Madrid Masters

:16:11. > :16:13.to Novak Djokovic in three sets. It was a slow start from Murray

:16:14. > :16:17.as he lost the first set 6-2. He dusted himself off though

:16:18. > :16:19.and came back brilliantly In the third and final set,

:16:20. > :16:23.Murray couldn't make the most of his break points

:16:24. > :16:25.and Djokovic served out For Murray, he's lost ranking points

:16:26. > :16:35.because of this and Roger Federer leap frogs him into

:16:36. > :16:38.number two in the world. How costly could that

:16:39. > :16:40.prove with the draw for the next major, the French Open,

:16:41. > :16:53.later this month? I hope I can stay there for a

:16:54. > :16:58.longer. Some players are playing into their late 30s now. I don't

:16:59. > :16:59.know if I'll be able to do that, but there is hopefully a few more good

:17:00. > :17:02.years left. It was a successful weekend

:17:03. > :17:06.for Britain's rowers, as they topped the medal table at

:17:07. > :17:10.the European Championships. Helen Glover and Heather Stanning

:17:11. > :17:12.were stand out performers, retaining their title in the Pair,

:17:13. > :17:14.despite the strong winds Things looking very good for them

:17:15. > :17:17.with the Rio Olympics They still haven't

:17:18. > :17:30.lost an international What a record that is. I will have

:17:31. > :17:34.more at 10.30am. Thank you very much, see you later.

:17:35. > :17:40.Most of you commenting on the speech David Cameron gave earlier this

:17:41. > :17:43.morning. He spent 50 minutes speaking at the British Museum

:17:44. > :17:49.warning if you vote to leave the European Union, it could lead to war

:17:50. > :17:53.the peace and prosperity which he says has come from being members of

:17:54. > :17:58.the European Union. This tweet from Leafy, "David Cameron is clearly a

:17:59. > :18:03.very worried Prime Minister." David says, "What next? The end of the

:18:04. > :18:10.world as we know it?" This e-mail from Trevor said, "It is interesting

:18:11. > :18:19.that David Cameron brought up in his speech some of the greatest events

:18:20. > :18:21.in history." Derek says, "Quite categorically Mr Cameron is

:18:22. > :18:26.scaremongering. If we leave, it will be more of a danger to world peace

:18:27. > :18:35.if we're in or out, we're not the might we used to be." John says,

:18:36. > :18:43."Cameron's scare tactics become more and more by each day." We will talk

:18:44. > :18:49.more about Mr Cameron's speech later. Your comments welcome.

:18:50. > :18:53.Use the hashtag Victoria live or you can send me an e-mail.

:18:54. > :18:57.Injunctions are pointless and do more harm than good.

:18:58. > :19:00.That's view of one woman who is at the centre of a gagging order

:19:01. > :19:03.preventing the identity of a married actor being exposed.

:19:04. > :19:05.Helen Wood is a former escort who first came to the public's

:19:06. > :19:08.attention in September 2010 when she was named as one of two

:19:09. > :19:10.escorts who'd allegedly slept with Wayne Rooney.

:19:11. > :19:13.The following year, in 2011, a married actor took out

:19:14. > :19:15.an injunction barring publication of details of an encounter

:19:16. > :19:20.The star apparently paid her around ?200 for sex.

:19:21. > :19:23.Five years on that injunction has been back in the headlines this week

:19:24. > :19:26.after the actor was named in publications in America and Dublin.

:19:27. > :19:29.We can't name those publications because to do so would

:19:30. > :19:36.We also, obviously, can't name him or reveal anything that could lead

:19:37. > :19:43.Helen Wood says she feels sorry for the actor.

:19:44. > :19:50.I actually think it is really unfair. On him? I think it is unfair

:19:51. > :19:57.on him. Even though my name is obviously out there, he has paid

:19:58. > :20:01.for, he has paid for an injunction and it has turned out to be a waste

:20:02. > :20:03.of money and brought even more attention to him than what would

:20:04. > :20:10.have happened in the first place. Yeah, I do think it is unfair. Why

:20:11. > :20:14.do you think the whole issue has resurfaced again now? Well, I think

:20:15. > :20:19.because there has been numerous things going on in the press

:20:20. > :20:23.recently to do with injunctions. Injunctions are a massive threat

:20:24. > :20:27.towards media, towards newspapers and things. So they're going to kick

:20:28. > :20:31.up a fuss about it and with it coming out in America and Scotland

:20:32. > :20:36.and things like that, that's what has brought it all back round again.

:20:37. > :20:42.Do you feel sorry for this actor and for his wife and for his children?

:20:43. > :20:45.Yeah, I do. If you had asked me that a few years ago, my response would

:20:46. > :20:51.have been quite different. Yeah, of course, I do. He made a mistake. And

:20:52. > :20:55.I'm pretty sure if he could turn the clocks back, just like if I could

:20:56. > :20:59.turn the clocks back I would do, but unfortunately we are still like six

:21:00. > :21:03.or seven years on talking about it. If they are aware of it, I do feel

:21:04. > :21:12.sorry for them because I just think it is all really unnecessary. Are

:21:13. > :21:15.you sorry then for what happened? I won't apologise for what I used to

:21:16. > :21:20.do. I have no regrets for what I used to do. I regret saying certain

:21:21. > :21:26.things because obviously it is me that, although he has done wrong,

:21:27. > :21:31.I've kind of landed him in it by saying certain things to the wrong

:21:32. > :21:34.people at wrong time. But it was the actor himself who sought out your

:21:35. > :21:40.services when you worked as an escort? Yeah. I get that and people

:21:41. > :21:44.say why is she defending him? It is not that I'm defending him. It is

:21:45. > :21:49.just now I'm older and wiser and I think he made a mistake. Is he meant

:21:50. > :21:54.to, is he meant to be punished now for the rest of his life and be

:21:55. > :21:59.looking over his shoulder and think is this coming out? I know how that

:22:00. > :22:03.feels for the past to get keeping get dragged up all the time. He

:22:04. > :22:07.might have been forgiven and his wife and him might have moved on and

:22:08. > :22:12.they have to be looking at this. The main factor for me is now that I

:22:13. > :22:17.have a child, that's a lot older and I know he has children... The actor

:22:18. > :22:20.has children? Yeah. I think that's what is upsetting more than

:22:21. > :22:24.anything. That's what got to me more than anything when I learned this

:22:25. > :22:29.was going to come out again. That was what was hard to kind of, you

:22:30. > :22:33.know, I felt sorry for the children involved in it obviously. You sail

:22:34. > :22:37.he will be constantly looking over his shoulder but that's because he

:22:38. > :22:40.slept with an escort and then took out an injunction. I wonder if he

:22:41. > :22:46.hadn't taken out an injunction, it would have come out five years ago

:22:47. > :22:49.and would have been over? It probably wouldn't have come out five

:22:50. > :22:56.years. What people don't understand how it came out. I was in the public

:22:57. > :23:02.eye for sometime before this came out. There was only one person

:23:03. > :23:06.laughing at the end of this. Whose firm, the actor's legal firm? Yeah,

:23:07. > :23:12.she was surprised, the barrister when I spoke to her and I said I had

:23:13. > :23:18.no intention of selling a story on him and she was, "That's not what we

:23:19. > :23:21.have heard." You had done an interview about sleeping with Wayne

:23:22. > :23:29.Rooney, that's why they thought you might have sold a story... Why did I

:23:30. > :23:32.not do it at the time. Your view is he should never have taken an

:23:33. > :23:35.injunction? He should never have bothered. It just caused more

:23:36. > :23:41.problems than good for him anyway. Have you had contact with him? No. I

:23:42. > :23:51.spoke to his barrister back when he took the injunction out and that's

:23:52. > :23:55.it. I mentioned Wayne Rooney, you are described in various

:23:56. > :24:00.publications still as the Wayne Rooney prostitute. What impact has

:24:01. > :24:04.it had on you, and your son, who is now 12 and your wider family, the

:24:05. > :24:11.fact that you're constantly associated with Wayne Rooney? To be

:24:12. > :24:15.honest, when it first came out, it had massive implications and I was

:24:16. > :24:20.not media savvy whatsoever back then so it was just, I was so paranoid

:24:21. > :24:23.all the time. Whereas now, it is like, if you don't know me and

:24:24. > :24:27.that's just how you want to perceive me and that's how you want to look

:24:28. > :24:32.at me, that's your issue, not mine and I've done various other things

:24:33. > :24:35.since then. I'm not really, well I will always be seen as that and I

:24:36. > :24:39.accept that and if I choose to continue to work in the public eye,

:24:40. > :24:43.that's my fault if people still look at me and say I can't, I've got to

:24:44. > :24:48.take the rough with the smooth. With regards to my family, I don't have

:24:49. > :24:53.really any family anyway. So that doesn't really matter... Well, you

:24:54. > :24:57.have got parents? I do. One of which I'm not really, I don't even want to

:24:58. > :25:02.discuss that. I don't want to discuss family and things like that,

:25:03. > :25:06.but it is just my son. As long as my son is all right and you know, I'm

:25:07. > :25:10.pretty sure things will get said to him. Things have been said to him in

:25:11. > :25:17.the past... You mean at school? Yeah. But he is a very strong willed

:25:18. > :25:22.child. He is not as feisty with his tongue like me, but he is very, very

:25:23. > :25:27.quick at nipping something in the bud, but doing it in a good way and

:25:28. > :25:33.hope any that's what I taught him to do. You told him that this was going

:25:34. > :25:41.to resurface? Resurface. What did you tell him? I didn't say resurface

:25:42. > :25:45.because he didn't know years ago. I said I did something that will make

:25:46. > :25:49.people say nasty things to him and people will say things to him at

:25:50. > :25:56.school and I thought he was going to get upset and teary eyed and he was

:25:57. > :26:01.like, "I'm not bothered. If anyone says something, I will say it is my

:26:02. > :26:04.mum, not me." He asked questions about certain things, I've not gone

:26:05. > :26:09.into detail because he is 12 years old. I'm not going through the ins

:26:10. > :26:13.and outs of things. I said I have done things that I should not have

:26:14. > :26:18.done when I was younger and because of that kids might be nasty to you

:26:19. > :26:22.at school and that's it. What kind of things have been said to him in

:26:23. > :26:26.the past at school? Well, actually the only thing that was said to him

:26:27. > :26:29.was complete and utter rubbish. People thinking they know what they

:26:30. > :26:35.are talking about. Someone said something to him about a footballer

:26:36. > :26:39.who I've never even met in my life and he came and told me what the

:26:40. > :26:44.child said to him in the playground and I said, I nipped it in the bud

:26:45. > :26:51.straightaway. He did. He is quite good like that. He is not as feisty

:26:52. > :26:54.as his mum thank god. Do you know of other famous people who have taken

:26:55. > :26:59.out injunctions having slept with other women who aren't their wives

:27:00. > :27:03.or partners? Yeah. Lots? Not with me. You know the women they have

:27:04. > :27:11.slept with potentially? Yeah. What kind of professions? The ones that I

:27:12. > :27:15.know of in music and in the sports world, yeah. Right. What do you

:27:16. > :27:19.think of that? Do you know, it is strange because people are like why

:27:20. > :27:27.has she got this opinion because her name is everywhere? I think, I've

:27:28. > :27:31.got mixed views on it. If it all boils down to with me, if you're

:27:32. > :27:35.going to cheat, fine, but you're probably going to get caught. If

:27:36. > :27:38.someone sold a story on you, you will get an injunction and it will

:27:39. > :27:42.come out a waste of time, you have got to take the riskment I do

:27:43. > :27:46.understand why they do it. Lots of people cheat, but if they have the

:27:47. > :27:50.money to get an injunction and protect themselves, you are going to

:27:51. > :27:53.try and do that. So I do understand why they try and take them out and

:27:54. > :27:57.why they do take them out, but don't, you know, you can't really

:27:58. > :28:01.cry about it when it does come out because it boils down you still did

:28:02. > :28:11.wrong at one point. There is another injunction story around involving a

:28:12. > :28:18.celebrity couple. Those people who are granted anonymity in order to

:28:19. > :28:24.protect their infidelity if you like, what do you think? What do I

:28:25. > :28:30.think of them being protected? Yes. I think it is wrong, I must admit

:28:31. > :28:35.after the week of hell that I've had with, you know, the press and

:28:36. > :28:40.certain newspapers just really, really, you know, going for me, like

:28:41. > :28:43.being nasty, I do sit there and read some of the headlines and I read a

:28:44. > :28:48.particular article the other day and I was like, "How can you write this

:28:49. > :28:56.when it is not just me that's in the wrong? I don't understand." People

:28:57. > :29:02.say I was not in the wrong because I was in a job. I did do things wrong,

:29:03. > :29:06.I spoke and I shouldn't have repeated certain things, but I don't

:29:07. > :29:09.know. I think after this week of reading the things that I've read

:29:10. > :29:13.about myself, I think it is unfair that it is always the woman, not

:29:14. > :29:16.just me, I'm not just speaking for me, why is it always the woman

:29:17. > :29:21.that's branded in the wrong all the time because it always is whereas

:29:22. > :29:26.the man's like gets a high five for doing wrong. It doesn't make any

:29:27. > :29:29.sense. Are injudgeses pointless? Injunctions are pointless because

:29:30. > :29:34.look at the damage it has caused unless it is going to be a decision

:29:35. > :29:38.that's made all over the world where you cannot be found anywhere, I just

:29:39. > :29:43.don't see the point in it. I think it makes our country look pretty

:29:44. > :29:47.stupid to be honest. Do you want, I mean this actor, this you slept with

:29:48. > :29:51.back then has been named in America, on the internet, do you want his

:29:52. > :29:55.name to be published in the mainstream media in this country?

:29:56. > :30:00.No. I think put it to bed. Leave him aLondon. Let him get on with his

:30:01. > :30:03.life and that's itks be done with it and let me get on with mine.

:30:04. > :30:21.Helen Wood. 17-year-old Charles didn't know he

:30:22. > :30:25.had anorexia until he collapsed. He returned to speak to classmates for

:30:26. > :30:33.the first time since his eating disorder. And... I would really like

:30:34. > :30:37.to apologise for not smuggling my dogs...

:30:38. > :30:50.And Johnny Depp makes light of a video apology he made

:30:51. > :30:56.after his dogs were illegally smuggled into Australia.

:30:57. > :31:03.Pearson Europe could be at risk if Britain votes to leave the EU. That

:31:04. > :31:08.is the case David Cameron put forward. He warned the stability

:31:09. > :31:16.Europe has enjoyed cannot be guaranteed in the event of Aleve

:31:17. > :31:23.fold. Talks to end a long-running dispute over contracts over junior

:31:24. > :31:26.doctors will get underway. The row has so far resulted in several days

:31:27. > :31:32.of strikes and thousands of delayed operations. Former escort Helen

:31:33. > :31:37.Wood, at the centre of a gagging order preventing the identity of a

:31:38. > :31:40.married actor being exposed has pulled this programme she believes

:31:41. > :31:47.injunctions are a complete waste of time and do more harm than good. The

:31:48. > :31:50.actor has been named in America and Ireland. Injunctions are pointless

:31:51. > :31:55.because look at the damage it caused. Unless it's going to be a

:31:56. > :32:02.decision made all over the world where you cannot be found anywhere,

:32:03. > :32:07.I don't see the point in it. I think it makes our country pretty stupid.

:32:08. > :32:09.A BBC News reporter, producer and cameraman have been

:32:10. > :32:11.expelled from North Korea, with one asked to sign

:32:12. > :32:13.a confession following an eight hour interrogation.

:32:14. > :32:17.Maria Byrne and Matthew Goddard - were due to leave Pyongyang

:32:18. > :32:20.at the end of last week but were detained as they were about

:32:21. > :32:24.They were taken to a hotel for questioning, with the North Korean

:32:25. > :32:26.regime unhappy about a series of television and online reports.

:32:27. > :32:29.All three have now been taken back to the airport to board

:32:30. > :32:33.More than 250 construction workers, who say they were prevented

:32:34. > :32:35.from working because of a so-called employers' blacklist,

:32:36. > :32:37.are to share more than 10 million pounds in compensation.

:32:38. > :32:40.The deal, involving workers from the Unite union,

:32:41. > :32:43.marks the end of a long-running legal case brought against leading

:32:44. > :32:47.The total bill for compensation and legal fees is thought to run

:32:48. > :33:07.That is the latest BBC News. Here is the sports headlines. Qualifying for

:33:08. > :33:11.the Champions League is out of Manchester City's hands. They

:33:12. > :33:14.dropped points against Arsenal which means their neighbours could push

:33:15. > :33:30.them out of the qualifying places. Ronny Deila will leave Celtic after

:33:31. > :33:36.guiding them to back-to-back titles. It was their fifth in a row. Patrick

:33:37. > :33:39.Roberts scored twice to stop Andy Murray has dropped to third in the

:33:40. > :33:52.world rankings after losing the final of the Madrid Masters to Novak

:33:53. > :33:58.Djokovic. Successful weekend for Britain's Rovers after they topped

:33:59. > :33:59.the medal table. Heather Glover and Heather standing were standout

:34:00. > :34:07.performer is. Remember that research on more

:34:08. > :34:09.people dying after being treated in hospitals at the weekend that

:34:10. > :34:13.England's Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt cited when announcing his plans

:34:14. > :34:16.for a seven day a week NHS? Well it's wrong, according

:34:17. > :34:18.to research released today by Oxford University,

:34:19. > :34:24.based on flawed data they say. Today is also the day

:34:25. > :34:26.that the doctors' union, the British Medical Association,

:34:27. > :34:28.will restart talks with the government today,

:34:29. > :34:30.in an attempt to end the long-running row with Junior

:34:31. > :34:48.doctors over their new contract. What is the strike really about?

:34:49. > :34:54.Junior doctors are unhappy with the contract, which will start to be

:34:55. > :35:10.ruled out across England. Who will it affect? These are not medical

:35:11. > :35:22.students. Can mean someone with ten years of experience. The government

:35:23. > :35:27.wants to raise basic wages by 13%. Doctors have two complaints. The

:35:28. > :35:33.first is unsociable hours. At the moment doctors get paid more if they

:35:34. > :35:44.are on at weekends. Ministers want to cut back back. We are here to

:35:45. > :35:56.promote patient safety. Tired doctors -- will not help. We feel

:35:57. > :36:04.staffing problems will be worse. We'll doctors lose out? To start

:36:05. > :36:08.with, probably not. But this is not about winners and losers on day one.

:36:09. > :36:17.In time, doctors are worried they will be forced to work for less

:36:18. > :36:22.money. Guaranteed pay rises are also being scrapped which could mean they

:36:23. > :36:26.earn less in the long run. Studies have suggested that patients are

:36:27. > :36:37.admitted at the weekends are more likely to die. The government says

:36:38. > :36:51.this contract will let it bring in a safer NHS seven days a week. We will

:36:52. > :36:55.change the pay structures. Doctors say the changes will strip back the

:36:56. > :36:59.safeguards meant to stop people working excessive hours, making life

:37:00. > :37:03.more risky for patients. Talks so far have come to nothing. The

:37:04. > :37:10.government has said it will go ahead with the contract. Without a

:37:11. > :37:12.breakthrough, more industrial action looks very likely.

:37:13. > :37:14.Let's talk to Ashlynn Macklin-Doherty is a striking junior

:37:15. > :37:15.doctor and cancer specialist trainee.

:37:16. > :37:18.Dr Adam Dalby is a junior doctor who no longer supports strikes

:37:19. > :37:21.and is willing to work under the new contract and Sir Peter

:37:22. > :37:23.Bottomley is a Conservative MP for Worthing West.

:37:24. > :37:30.He says this is a better contract than what exists now.

:37:31. > :37:40.Welcome all of you. Can we start with the research, shown to have

:37:41. > :37:44.been flawed, and we now know there is no mortality effect that the

:37:45. > :37:52.weekend. Of course there isn't. 88% of the profession have not been out

:37:53. > :37:59.on the streets in this highly distressing situation we've been

:38:00. > :38:04.forced into, basically because the government is trying to spin a story

:38:05. > :38:10.to fit in with a manifesto that they have which is not backed up by any

:38:11. > :38:18.truth or fact. It has angered the profession cause we are seeing these

:38:19. > :38:23.lies. The using -- it is actually the fact that the data was

:38:24. > :38:30.incorrectly collated. I wonder if you think, if there is no weekend

:38:31. > :38:38.effect, what that does for the argument? On the basis of one paper

:38:39. > :38:44.you cannot make a decision but obviously it presents a lesson to

:38:45. > :38:49.politicians about using data and having that properly checked and

:38:50. > :38:52.peer-reviewed and not, I believe he had the paper before it was

:38:53. > :39:00.published officially in one of the journals. That is a fear enough

:39:01. > :39:06.point. It is. This is the time to be conciliar tree. The coding was

:39:07. > :39:11.incorrect. We have not proved there is no weekend effect. That is what

:39:12. > :39:16.the research is safe. They can say what they want. I am saying what I

:39:17. > :39:21.think. I spend a lot of time working for doctors who have been mistreated

:39:22. > :39:26.by their employers, often because of weekends rostering. I know from

:39:27. > :39:30.cases in employment tribunal is the good doctors have been sat on by

:39:31. > :39:34.their employers, that you need to have a better contract and be

:39:35. > :39:40.careful about making sweeping generalisations. If we had the

:39:41. > :39:43.proposed contract, and anybody wanted to change it to the old one,

:39:44. > :39:54.everybody would be up in arms because the old one has long hours,

:39:55. > :39:58.unfortunate bias as to the way we roster people. We can do better. 90%

:39:59. > :40:02.of things have been agreed and it ought to be possible to reach

:40:03. > :40:07.agreement on the last bit. Let's talk about facts. I've been working

:40:08. > :40:14.in the NHS for eight years, I suspect longer than both of you

:40:15. > :40:19.combined. I've watched the NHS slowly crumble around me. We've had

:40:20. > :40:24.hospital closures at record rates, we have the lowest number of doctors

:40:25. > :40:30.per people in the population compared to the rest of Europe. How

:40:31. > :40:34.is this relevant to the contract? This is about, in the middle of an

:40:35. > :40:39.unprecedented crisis, you've got a government pushing forward a policy

:40:40. > :40:42.which has no evidence, quite clearly, stretching a five-day

:40:43. > :40:45.service over seven days with not a single pound of extra funding. It is

:40:46. > :40:51.entirely relevant to look at the wider context. Which part of the

:40:52. > :40:55.contract is the problem? There are so many full stop it has been

:40:56. > :40:59.referred to the United Nations because of the discrimination

:41:00. > :41:07.element. Which part of the contract is the problem? There are five main

:41:08. > :41:15.disagreements with the BMA. There are unsocial hours. Those are fixed.

:41:16. > :41:23.They are not. This is the problem. Unsociable hours, stretching the

:41:24. > :41:30.workforce. They are not fixed because you would not have them up

:41:31. > :41:38.in arms. Which part is the problem? Let's look at the context. You've

:41:39. > :41:43.mentioned unsocial hours. The other point in the contract you unhappy

:41:44. > :41:45.with? The fact that there will be discrimination against less than

:41:46. > :41:56.full-time trainees, particularly women. It doesn't centre visors

:41:57. > :42:01.people going out into academia, people working in oncology,

:42:02. > :42:11.psychiatrist who do not and will causes. I must admit, there are

:42:12. > :42:18.researchers who get higher pay. My problem with this argument is it has

:42:19. > :42:21.become about more than pay and conditions, which is why the BMA

:42:22. > :42:28.strike, I don't believe it is legal to strike over a government policy,

:42:29. > :42:33.I don't believe it is ethical of doctors to go out on strike putting

:42:34. > :42:40.patients at inconvenience, increasing pain over what is a

:42:41. > :42:51.political dispute. Can I ask you, as a striking doctor, if the government

:42:52. > :42:59.this week says, in terms of paying for the unsociable hours, if we

:43:00. > :43:06.bring the hours forward, if we get the higher rates of pay... It is not

:43:07. > :43:12.about pay. It has never been about pay. Will that help? What we want is

:43:13. > :43:19.a fully costed model. The government need to show us what has been

:43:20. > :43:24.planned properly. We are the ones on the front line having our operations

:43:25. > :43:29.cancelled. Everyone watching this show will know what I mean. They

:43:30. > :43:35.don't need me to tell them that the NHS is in a funding crisis. If you

:43:36. > :43:38.stretch us even thinner with not a pound of extra funding, we are the

:43:39. > :43:42.ones that will be picking up the pieces. The contract thing, the

:43:43. > :43:48.thing that junior doctors would not talk about was the Saturday rates of

:43:49. > :43:51.pay. Today that -- to say that it has nothing to do with that is not

:43:52. > :43:57.quite right. The impression is it is about that. The fact that the health

:43:58. > :44:05.service needs constant attention and more money, we agree on. What we can

:44:06. > :44:11.say is for the junior doctors contract to be left the way it is in

:44:12. > :44:16.2008, the last three years with the BMA coming in and going out, it is

:44:17. > :44:20.right to see if we got virtual agreement, O total agreement and

:44:21. > :44:27.cooperate to make the NHS better. Do you think Jeremy Hunt is in the mood

:44:28. > :44:31.to be making concessions? He has. He says the employers have made it a 4%

:44:32. > :44:36.concessions. They need to reach agreement in a way that is good for

:44:37. > :44:45.doctors and patients. MPs are responsible for doctors and

:44:46. > :44:50.patients. The health Minister running the service and being

:44:51. > :44:58.responsible for it, my wife is more important than I am. Jeremy Hunt's

:44:59. > :45:02.cousin? That is a myth but I have known him since 1984. He is

:45:03. > :45:05.committed, you are committed, we are all committed. Thank you very much.

:45:06. > :45:08.We will see what happens. A 49-year-old man

:45:09. > :45:11.who says he was groomed and raped by a family friend

:45:12. > :45:14.when he was a teenager waives his right to anonymity

:45:15. > :45:19.to tell you his story. One of the UK's leading treatment

:45:20. > :45:25.centres for eating disorders at the Royal Free Hospital in London

:45:26. > :45:28.is warning men are being put at risk because too often people think

:45:29. > :45:31.conditions like anorexia and bulimia The Royal Colleges of GPs

:45:32. > :45:34.and Nursing say sometimes the results can be

:45:35. > :45:35.devastating, even fatal. It's estimated up to a quarter

:45:36. > :45:38.of people experiencing eating Radio 1's Newsbeat has been

:45:39. > :45:43.following one 17-year-old called Charles Wooldridge who didn't know

:45:44. > :45:49.he had anorexia until he collapsed from near starvation

:45:50. > :45:51.on Boxing Day in 2014. He has recently returned

:45:52. > :45:54.to his school to talk honestly, for the first time,

:45:55. > :46:06.with his classmates This is Charles. He is 17 and he has

:46:07. > :46:12.what many people call a girl's illness. I thought that every bit of

:46:13. > :46:17.food I ate would put on weight. I just didn't feel comfortable as

:46:18. > :46:21.myself. He has been anorexic for at least two years, but finally feels

:46:22. > :46:25.ready to talk about his secret. He is going back to his school, to his

:46:26. > :46:35.friends, to have the conversation he never thought he would. I don't know

:46:36. > :46:38.how they're going to react. And for the first time cameras have been

:46:39. > :46:41.allowed into the unit where Charles has been treated. So this is the

:46:42. > :47:01.ward. I'm going to take you down the scary

:47:02. > :47:06.corridor. This is the kitchen. My first meal on the ward I didn't

:47:07. > :47:11.really know what to expect and you could just see that everyone was

:47:12. > :47:17.stressed out. This is one of the bays. That's where the patients

:47:18. > :47:22.sleep. But I wasn't allowed in here because I'm not a girl. So I had to

:47:23. > :47:30.be separated and sleep in the other bay. It was quite lonely, but we

:47:31. > :47:37.used to kind of come together in the evening anyway and play games.

:47:38. > :47:41.Being the only guy amongst so many girls can have its up sides. Charles

:47:42. > :47:48.met his girlfriend Lucy here. She also has an eating disorder.

:47:49. > :47:54.Basically we have vandalised this room. It is like somewhere under

:47:55. > :48:02.here. Yes, that's not the day we died, it's the time that we was

:48:03. > :48:07.here! The biggest thing with Charles was

:48:08. > :48:14.that he was always the class clown, happy go lucky, fun loving... I

:48:15. > :48:19.think he was generally seen as the person people met. He was a mag nat

:48:20. > :48:25.too. It started off with healthy eating. I wasn't aware of his weight

:48:26. > :48:33.loss until I caught a glimpse of him getting into the bath one day and he

:48:34. > :48:37.just looked so thin. Almost like a famine child. Charles says he didn't

:48:38. > :48:42.actually know he had an eating disorder. Neither did his parents or

:48:43. > :48:45.his older brother, but had been working out loads, starving himself

:48:46. > :48:49.for weeks and hiding food in his room. There was a lot of secrecy,

:48:50. > :48:58.but on Boxing Day 2014, he collapsed and was rushed to hospital. And it

:48:59. > :49:05.was horrible. It was just really horrible coming home and his bedroom

:49:06. > :49:08.was empty and it was, I was just distraught because his bedroom was

:49:09. > :49:13.empty, he was in hospital for the first time in his life. He wasn't in

:49:14. > :49:18.that room. You know, you look back and you think well, is it something

:49:19. > :49:24.I've done or, you know, can I blame myself? I'm not sure that I am

:49:25. > :49:29.getting a better understanding. You just sometimes can't reason with it.

:49:30. > :49:34.It just seems so irrational. It is almost like a grieving because I

:49:35. > :49:39.don't, I still think of him as that child and I don't recognise a lot of

:49:40. > :49:50.what he has been going through as him. So yeah, I kind of grieve the

:49:51. > :49:54.child that he was. As Charles' anorexia developed he pulled away

:49:55. > :49:57.from friends. He hasn't seen his classmates in almost two years and

:49:58. > :50:01.in a few weeks time he is hoping to have an honest discussion with them

:50:02. > :50:06.about his eating problems. It is something that just a few months ago

:50:07. > :50:11.he would never have imagined doing. The box is to represent how you're

:50:12. > :50:15.feeling. Charles has no idea how they will react especially the guys

:50:16. > :50:20.in his class after all, since he began his treatment, he has mostly

:50:21. > :50:25.been surrounded by girls. So ignore this bit, but this is the outside

:50:26. > :50:30.and in the inside I'm going to do some stuff. Before that, he has got

:50:31. > :50:35.to prepare to resit his GCSEs. There is a school at the hospital. It is

:50:36. > :50:39.only one room so we're in for like the whole day of the it is very

:50:40. > :50:42.different to my old school. Charles is back living at home, but he is

:50:43. > :50:46.here most days and in between classes, he has counselling

:50:47. > :50:51.sessions. Many of them with Sam. The boy that is I've treated have always

:50:52. > :50:58.usually been terribly unwell when they first kind of present. They

:50:59. > :51:05.maybe eating kind of quite well, but they're exercising like crazy. Sam

:51:06. > :51:10.will be weighing Charles in a few days and he dreads it. Everyone here

:51:11. > :51:18.has good days and bad days and it is easy to get overwhelmed. Is there

:51:19. > :51:28.any patients patient over the years who has really stuck with you?

:51:29. > :51:32.Sorry... I've got a lot of patients that

:51:33. > :51:40.stick in my mind. And you learn a lot from them.

:51:41. > :51:44.Sorry... Charles and Lucy have been together

:51:45. > :51:49.for nearly a yearment their favourite place to go to do is

:51:50. > :51:54.Camden Food Market and although they say they don't go near most of the

:51:55. > :52:01.food, they spend a lot of time obsessing over what they will or

:52:02. > :52:08.won't eat. Our Instagram account are based on

:52:09. > :52:18.recovery. I'm fine with other people because

:52:19. > :52:23.they might be scared to have it. If Pasta Prince can have it, so can I.

:52:24. > :52:27.It is Charles' weekly weigh-in, and he hates it. He has a target weight,

:52:28. > :52:32.but the thought of reaching that weight scares him. I make sure I

:52:33. > :52:39.don't drink anything or eat much before I get weighed. Shall we go

:52:40. > :52:46.and do the honours? Knowing that I have a goal makes me

:52:47. > :52:49.feel like I have to go for it whether I like it or not because I

:52:50. > :52:53.know that if I didn't reach it then I would be back in the place I was

:52:54. > :53:01.before. OK. To be weighed is horrendously

:53:02. > :53:06.anxiety provoking. One minute you can look at numbers and be kind of

:53:07. > :53:10.pleased that they've gone up because you've really worked hard and then

:53:11. > :53:16.half an hour later, you're devastated. Do you want to know what

:53:17. > :53:22.your weight is today or not know? No. He allowed us to film today if

:53:23. > :53:31.we agreed to only show his face. OK, all right then. He didn't want us to

:53:32. > :53:39.see the scales, but it means you also can't see his hands are

:53:40. > :53:44.shaking. It kind of does change the way you feel because you haven't

:53:45. > :53:51.known your weight throughout the day then suddenly seeing it, it just

:53:52. > :53:57.stays on your mind a bit. How do you feel about that? OK. Is it OK? A

:53:58. > :54:01.couple of hours after his weigh-in, Charles had a panic attack. He had

:54:02. > :54:06.seemed fine, but he was totally overwhelmed. He is fragile and

:54:07. > :54:11.that's typical of someone still battling to get better. I think I

:54:12. > :54:16.just had a stressful day overall because I had meetings with my

:54:17. > :54:20.doctors and I had the weigh-in and they were talking about my therapy

:54:21. > :54:26.coming to an end soon. So I think everything just got to me. The

:54:27. > :54:29.thought of returning to see his classmates after nearly two years is

:54:30. > :54:34.also playing on his mind. He is having serious doubts and considers

:54:35. > :54:38.pulling out. It feels like a big change because it has all happened

:54:39. > :54:51.so quickly and now it is coming to an end in a way. So it's quite new

:54:52. > :54:58.to me. But Charles is determined to recover. He wants his old life back

:54:59. > :55:06.and that means being brave. So we are off to my old school. I'm

:55:07. > :55:13.going to see some of my old friends. It is a long time and to go back is

:55:14. > :55:19.a bit scary. I'm still a bit scared.

:55:20. > :55:32.It is bringing back memories. A lot of memories. I just don't know what

:55:33. > :55:35.to expect. They've kind of seen me at my worst and so I don't know how

:55:36. > :56:22.they're going to react. Are you all right, mate?

:56:23. > :56:31.Hey. Where do I sit?

:56:32. > :56:36.I've been in hospital. I've been a inn a school in the hospital. Do

:56:37. > :56:42.people know about it? How was it for you? A bit awkward. Most of the

:56:43. > :56:49.patients were girls. So I was like the only boy. When did you realise

:56:50. > :56:55.that you had an eating disorder and did people around you notice? A lot

:56:56. > :56:59.of people would remember I used to wear my PE jacket all the time, even

:57:00. > :57:04.in the summer, that's because people were saying I was really thin. I

:57:05. > :57:09.kind of knew about it, but I didn't really get, I didn't know what it

:57:10. > :57:18.was so I didn't really go and get help early. ? I never guessed it

:57:19. > :57:22.would have been an eating disorder. I kind of knew something was up, but

:57:23. > :57:26.I never really thought that would be the problem. I used it in a way to

:57:27. > :57:32.show others that they can get through it too. Like I'm still me

:57:33. > :57:39.and I'm still just a teenager. So I'm not like some alien. Do you feel

:57:40. > :57:43.like you're ready to go back to the position you were in before? I want

:57:44. > :57:54.to kind of just get back to you guys.

:57:55. > :58:01.I felt he was really open and honest. We were just saying we were

:58:02. > :58:07.quite of shocked how honest they were. Quite brave, I think. I kind

:58:08. > :58:11.of knew something was up with Charles, Charles was a cool,

:58:12. > :58:21.confident guy. I'm feeling happy. How happy? Very happy because I'm

:58:22. > :58:28.seeing my old friends and it just feels good to be with them again.

:58:29. > :58:32.I'm going to have parties, go out, I feel more connected with reality.

:58:33. > :58:48.And I just feel like the old me. That film called Anorexia: A Boy

:58:49. > :58:51.in a Girl's World was made And you can find links to further

:58:52. > :58:57.information and advice by going to: Sophie says one example of why I

:58:58. > :59:08.love this show. And you can find links to further

:59:09. > :59:11.information and advice by going to: Plenty of you getting in touch on

:59:12. > :59:33.Helen Wood who is the former escort the public really care who slept

:59:34. > :59:39.with who? I don't think so. It affects the people directly affected

:59:40. > :59:48.of the that's it." Paul, "In the Twitter age always fail to hide the

:59:49. > :59:52.name." "Karl says, "For someone who says feels sorry for the actor, she

:59:53. > :59:58.is spending a lot of time talking to the media." Another viewer says,

:59:59. > :00:04."Stop giving airtime to Helen Wood. People behave badly. That's it. "

:00:05. > :00:06.It is time for the latest weather. Have we got more scorchio day, Matt

:00:07. > :00:18.Taylor? Yesterday, all nations across the UK

:00:19. > :00:29.saw their warmest day of the year so far. Hottest of all was London, 27

:00:30. > :00:44.Celsius. It is feeling slightly different. We will see further

:00:45. > :00:51.showers. Some showers north of that. The vast majority of the UK, sunny

:00:52. > :00:53.skies all the way. These are the hottest places to be. It could hit

:00:54. > :01:02.26 degrees. This evening and overnight a band of

:01:03. > :01:08.thundery rain working northwards, fizzling out. Some showers. Slightly

:01:09. > :01:12.different day tomorrow. Scotland stays with the sunshine, Central and

:01:13. > :01:17.southern parts of England and Wales will have a much wetter day. Warmest

:01:18. > :01:24.weather confined to the West of Scotland.

:01:25. > :01:26.Hello it's just after 10 on Monday, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:01:27. > :01:29.welcome to the programme if you've just joined us...coming

:01:30. > :01:33.Europe could descend into war if Britain votes to leave

:01:34. > :01:39.That's the warning from the Prime Minister this morning.

:01:40. > :01:43.Kenny has said, you have made my mind up, I am voting to leave now.

:01:44. > :01:45.Could the claims backfire? as a teenager by a family friend

:01:46. > :01:51.tells us of his anger at the way How can they keep

:01:52. > :01:58.closing doors like this? If there's nothing to hide,

:01:59. > :02:01.why can somebody not talk to me, why can we not have an honest

:02:02. > :02:04.conversation with someone who's of a level to really

:02:05. > :02:19.understand these things? David has waived his right to

:02:20. > :02:31.anonymity to tell his story. I would really like to apologise for not

:02:32. > :02:33.smuggling my dog... It would have been a bad thing to do.

:02:34. > :02:35.And Johnny Depp pokes fun at himself after his grovelling

:02:36. > :02:51.apology for taking his dogs into Australia illegally.

:02:52. > :02:56.Peace in Europe could be at risk if Britain votes

:02:57. > :02:58.to leave the European Union, that's the message from

:02:59. > :03:01.David Cameron as he puts forward the case to remain in the EU.

:03:02. > :03:04.In a speech focused on national security, the Prime Minister has

:03:05. > :03:07.warned that the stability Europe has enjoyed over the last few years,

:03:08. > :03:18.cannot be guaranteed in the event of a leave vote.

:03:19. > :03:25.Isolationism has never served this country well. Whenever we turn our

:03:26. > :03:29.back on Europe, sooner or later, we come to regret it. We've always had

:03:30. > :03:31.to go back in, and always at a much higher cost.

:03:32. > :03:33.Talks to end a long-running dispute over new contracts

:03:34. > :03:35.for junior doctors in England get underway today.

:03:36. > :03:37.The government and the BMA are meeting for the first

:03:38. > :03:41.The row has so far resulted in several days of strikes,

:03:42. > :03:44.A BBC News reporter, producer and cameraman have been

:03:45. > :03:46.expelled from North Korea, with one asked to sign

:03:47. > :03:49.an apology following an eight hour interrogation.

:03:50. > :03:51.The team - Rupert Wingfield-Hayes,

:03:52. > :03:55.Maria Byrne and Matthew Goddard - were due to leave Pyongyang

:03:56. > :03:58.at the end of last week but were detained as they were about

:03:59. > :04:03.They were taken to a hotel for questioning, with the North Korean

:04:04. > :04:05.regime unhappy about a series of television and online reports.

:04:06. > :04:08.All three have now been taken back to the airport to board

:04:09. > :04:14.A former escort, Helen Wood, who is at the centre of a gagging

:04:15. > :04:17.order preventing the identity of a married actor being exposed,

:04:18. > :04:20.has told this programme she believes injunctions are a complete waste

:04:21. > :04:28.The married actor, who can't be named in England and Wales,

:04:29. > :04:35.has been named in publications in America and Ireland.

:04:36. > :04:41.Injunctions are pointless because look at the damage it has caused.

:04:42. > :04:45.Unless it is a decision made all over the world where you cannot be

:04:46. > :04:46.found anywhere, I don't see the point in it. It makes our country

:04:47. > :04:50.look pretty stupid. A 49 year old man has told this

:04:51. > :04:53.programme, how he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped

:04:54. > :04:56.at the age of 15 by a family friend who shot himself minutes

:04:57. > :04:58.after police warned him he was about to be arrested over his

:04:59. > :05:01.historical sex abuse claims. David, who's waived his right

:05:02. > :05:03.to anonymity, also claims he was abused by other men

:05:04. > :05:06.at Dolphin Square, a block of flats in London which has been

:05:07. > :05:09.investigated by police over claims of a Westminster VIP

:05:10. > :05:23.paedophile ring. I ended up losing my career over it

:05:24. > :05:28.because I needed time off. I only had six weeks off. I shut down, did

:05:29. > :05:33.not eat for days, lost two stone, did not shower, did not shave for a

:05:34. > :05:37.fortnight. Did not want to leave the house. Luckily I had good friends

:05:38. > :05:53.who said you got to get on with life. I was lucky but it destroys

:05:54. > :05:55.you. You can see that interview in full.

:05:56. > :05:58.A fifth of the oil town of Fort McMurray has been destroyed

:05:59. > :06:00.by the wildfire that has raged in central Canada for

:06:01. > :06:03.It's expected to be the most costly natural disaster

:06:04. > :06:07.But officials say the fire may have reached a turning point,

:06:08. > :06:10.with cooler temperatures helping firefighters.

:06:11. > :06:13.The BBC picked up more than half of the awards on offer

:06:14. > :06:17.Some winners used their acceptance speeches to defend the corporation,

:06:18. > :06:20.ahead of this week's government White Paper on its future.

:06:21. > :06:24.Wolf Hall won Best British Drama and Best Actor.

:06:25. > :06:26.Its director, Peter Kosminsky, took the opportunity to warn

:06:27. > :06:38.the government against interfering with public service broadcasting.

:06:39. > :06:44.In many ways, our broadcasting, BBC and Channel 4, which they are also

:06:45. > :06:49.attempting to eviscerate, is the envy of the world, and we should

:06:50. > :06:54.stand up and fight for it, not let it go by default. If we don't, link

:06:55. > :07:03.and it will be gone. Thank you very much. That is the latest BBC News.

:07:04. > :07:13.Moore at 10:30am. This is what you thought. Quite a few of you wanting

:07:14. > :07:19.to comment on how often the Conservative interrupted. Thoroughly

:07:20. > :07:22.enjoy your programme but I'm really disappointed in the way that the

:07:23. > :07:28.junior doctor was continually interrupted. The elderly gentleman

:07:29. > :07:36.repeatedly talked over the young woman and no action was taken to

:07:37. > :07:44.bring him to order. This tweet from Bobby referring to the research,

:07:45. > :07:48.which shows that there is no higher mortality at the weekend, in

:07:49. > :08:03.essence, the doctors were right and Jeremy Hunt was wrong. Continue to

:08:04. > :08:07.get in touch. We have the sport. In the last few minutes the Court of

:08:08. > :08:10.Arbitration for Sport has announced Michel Platini has had his ban from

:08:11. > :08:19.all football related activity reduced from six to four Mac years.

:08:20. > :08:23.He will resign from his role. Manuel Pellegrini did not get the farewell

:08:24. > :08:26.he would have wanted at Manchester City's final home game of the

:08:27. > :08:34.season. A draw with Arsenal means getting into the Champions League is

:08:35. > :08:40.out of their hands. They lost their Leeds twice. Alexis Sanchez brought

:08:41. > :08:46.Arsenal back twice. Annie Welbeck injured his knee and it could leave

:08:47. > :08:53.him out of the euro -- Danny Welbeck. Manchester United travel to

:08:54. > :09:01.West Ham United two points behind Manchester City. It is out of our

:09:02. > :09:11.hands. On Tuesday we will know what happens. We will try to win our last

:09:12. > :09:18.game at Swansea and see what happens with the other teams. Tottenham's

:09:19. > :09:22.disappointing week did not get any better. They lost 2-1 to

:09:23. > :09:29.Southampton. They can still secure second place if they get a point

:09:30. > :09:37.against Newcastle. Liverpool are back to winning ways in the league.

:09:38. > :09:42.They beat Watford 2-0. That keeps them eat in the table, one point

:09:43. > :09:45.behind West Ham. Ronny Deila will leave Celtic having guided the club

:09:46. > :09:52.to back-to-back titles. It was their fifth in a row after a 3-2 win over

:09:53. > :09:56.Aberdeen. They were already nine points clear of the visitors and

:09:57. > :10:03.19-year-old Patrick Roberts, on loan from Manchester City, scored twice.

:10:04. > :10:07.Andy Murray has dropped to third in the world rankings after losing the

:10:08. > :10:12.final of the Madrid Masters to Novak Djokovic. It was a slow start as he

:10:13. > :10:17.lost the first set, he dusted himself off and came back

:10:18. > :10:20.brilliantly to take the second. In the third set he could not make the

:10:21. > :10:27.most of the break points and Novak Djokovic served to take his second

:10:28. > :10:36.Madrid title. Roger Federer has leapfrogged Andy Murray to number

:10:37. > :10:47.two in the world. We've been at the top of the game for a very long

:10:48. > :10:50.time. I hope I can stay there for longer. Some players are playing

:10:51. > :10:55.into their late 30s now. I don't know if I'll be able to do that but

:10:56. > :11:02.there are hopefully a few good years left. Good morning. Thank you for

:11:03. > :11:04.chilling in. "There's been no justice,

:11:05. > :11:06.no day in court, no vindication" - the words of David, who says

:11:07. > :11:10.at he age of 15 he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped

:11:11. > :11:13.by a family friend in the 1980s. That family friend took his own life

:11:14. > :11:17.shortly after being warned by police that he was about to be arrested

:11:18. > :11:20.over allegations of historic sexual abuse against

:11:21. > :11:25.David and other boys. David, who's 49, has chosen

:11:26. > :11:28.to waive his right to anonymity to tell us his story -

:11:29. > :11:31.though he doesn't want He alleges that Gordon Dawson,

:11:32. > :11:37.a farmer and respected community figure, abused him in Lincolnshire

:11:38. > :11:41.and and on weekend trips to London where he believes other men may

:11:42. > :11:44.also have been involved. David says when in London he stayed

:11:45. > :11:47.at Dolphin Square, a block of flats 18 months ago police set up

:11:48. > :11:53.an inquiry called Operation Midland to look into historical claims

:11:54. > :11:57.of a Westminster VIP paedophile ring It closed in March this year -

:11:58. > :12:03.without any charges being brought. He says he feels let down

:12:04. > :12:06.by both Lincolnshire Police David has been telling his

:12:07. > :12:11.story to Buzzfeed News His story is explicit and upsetting

:12:12. > :12:15.and you may not want The interview lasts

:12:16. > :12:19.just under 20 minutes. He started by describing how

:12:20. > :12:36.the alleged abuse began Rural life involves a lot of things,

:12:37. > :12:40.hunting, shooting, a lot of people do not like those things but it was

:12:41. > :12:45.just how I grew up. You would learn how to shoot, the ways of the

:12:46. > :12:51.country, they had a big farm, they had shoots that required production

:12:52. > :12:57.of birds for the shoots, gamekeeping, you are privileged to

:12:58. > :13:05.have a window into that and you spend a lot of time with somebody on

:13:06. > :13:09.your own. And Gordon Dawson offered private shooting lessons which is

:13:10. > :13:16.when he first sexually assaulted and raped you. Yes. That was the final

:13:17. > :13:24.catalyst, it was an opportunity for him to have me on my own. You go out

:13:25. > :13:30.at night and tonight shooting. You need to be quiet and close to each

:13:31. > :13:33.other. There is a normality about that and I'm sure that is the way

:13:34. > :13:41.that it works anyway, to be normal, there comes a time when the barriers

:13:42. > :13:45.become broken down, you are of an age where you don't understand, you

:13:46. > :13:49.know that it is not right but there are a lot of things you do that are

:13:50. > :13:54.not right. You're learning and going through difficult times in your

:13:55. > :14:00.head, physically as well, those barriers get broken down and then I

:14:01. > :14:09.think it is almost open season. How old were you when this happened? 15.

:14:10. > :14:18.What impact did it have on you? You die. That sounds quite strong but

:14:19. > :14:23.that is how I feel. You feel that part of you is always 15 or even

:14:24. > :14:32.younger. If you even younger. A child. I was very naive person at

:14:33. > :14:39.that age. 15-year-olds are very different these days. Things have

:14:40. > :14:43.changed dramatically in 35 years. Did you tell anyone? Not for a long

:14:44. > :14:49.time. I was in my mid-20s before I told anybody. Do you know why you

:14:50. > :14:54.did not tell your parents for example? I did not want them to

:14:55. > :14:58.know. I tried to protect them. When things go on and happen, you become

:14:59. > :15:05.embedded in it and cannot control your own mind. You are emasculated

:15:06. > :15:16.and you feel numb about everything. You are not sure why it happened,

:15:17. > :15:23.there are enormous questions. There is a part where you are told no one

:15:24. > :15:30.will believe you. These are important people. He is an important

:15:31. > :15:34.person. Who is going to believe you? Part of you thinks, maybe this is

:15:35. > :15:39.what life is? Maybe this is what happens in life? Maybe it is just

:15:40. > :15:43.me. You're trying to balance all that.

:15:44. > :15:51.You tried to remove yourself from the situation. You changed schools,

:15:52. > :15:55.you went to your old school which was further away, but Gordon offered

:15:56. > :15:59.to bring you back on a Friday night, back to the family home and the

:16:00. > :16:05.abuse continues, you say? I think that's when it got worse really

:16:06. > :16:11.because I was then unknowingly putting myself in a worse situation

:16:12. > :16:16.because obviously I lived several hours away from my parents and it

:16:17. > :16:19.meant somebody needed to pick me up. Gordon was a generous and kind

:16:20. > :16:24.person and you know, very close to my parents. He would say, "I will do

:16:25. > :16:30.that. I will pick him up." And so he did. Not all the time, but often.

:16:31. > :16:35.And then he began to suggest weekend trips to London and this was around

:16:36. > :16:43.1982. Yes. Tell me what you remember of those weekends? I remember less

:16:44. > :16:47.of those. It is a very different my mind remembers what happened very

:16:48. > :16:52.clearly at home in Lincolnshire. London was different. It was

:16:53. > :16:58.exciting. I had never really been to London as such. We would go to a

:16:59. > :17:03.show. We would go to General Synod meetings. He had something to do

:17:04. > :17:07.with that. I don't know exactly what, but we would go to those and I

:17:08. > :17:13.would sit in the gallery and I can see it now and watch those meetings.

:17:14. > :17:16.We would go to swanky dinners at various places. There would be a lot

:17:17. > :17:30.of other people there at those dinners. And we stayed in a very big

:17:31. > :17:33.place called Dolphin Square. But you would wake up the next morning and

:17:34. > :17:40.know you had been abused? That was horrific. You know. As graphic as

:17:41. > :17:44.you like, but at the end of the day, it doesn't take a lot of working out

:17:45. > :17:47.if you're bleeding, you're bleeding and that's it and when you bleed

:17:48. > :17:50.from certain places for certain reasons and you're trying to work it

:17:51. > :17:54.all out and it is really tough and you have been through the mill. You

:17:55. > :17:58.feel exhausted. So you can't piece the bits together. I think that

:17:59. > :18:02.whole journey of understanding what happens to you became almost normal

:18:03. > :18:06.for me because that became a semi regular occurrence. So you sort of

:18:07. > :18:13.know something is going on, but you can't control it. Do you believe

:18:14. > :18:18.that you were abused not just, you say by Gordon on these weekend

:18:19. > :18:27.trips, but by other men? Yeah. And I think the damage that's done would

:18:28. > :18:31.have to be explainable by somebody else because oh god, sorry... It is

:18:32. > :18:36.all right. Only say what you want to say. There are certain physical

:18:37. > :18:42.attributes which would point to the fact that it couldn't just have been

:18:43. > :18:48.him. In 2007, you spoke to Lincolnshire Police after learning

:18:49. > :18:53.that you might not have been the only alleged victim of Gordon

:18:54. > :18:56.Dawson. Correct, yes. You spent a day with an investigating officer

:18:57. > :19:00.from Lincolnshire Police, what did he tell you about Gordon Dawson? I

:19:01. > :19:05.asked him if I was the only one. You spend your life thinking you are the

:19:06. > :19:12.only one, it is only you and he said, he almost laughed, he didn't

:19:13. > :19:18.laugh, but he was quite jovial about it and said, "No, we believe Gordon

:19:19. > :19:23.Dawson has been an active paedophile for 45 years. He said you are

:19:24. > :19:28.certainly not the only one. He used various numbers of people that had

:19:29. > :19:32.come forward and various, a different number for people who had

:19:33. > :19:36.actually made statements and were willing to stand by what they had

:19:37. > :19:45.said. And that varied between nine and 20. So all of a sudden, I felt

:19:46. > :19:48.that I wasn't so alone. Did the investigating officer Sergeant Jeff

:19:49. > :19:53.Harrison reveal to you that Gordon Dawson had been arrested before?

:19:54. > :19:57.Yes, twice apparently. That's how I came forward because somebody told

:19:58. > :20:02.me they heard a rumour. They didn't know what happened to me, they knew

:20:03. > :20:07.growing up that I had been a bit odd and a bit different and isolated.

:20:08. > :20:10.They said, "I don't know why I'm ringing you, but I'm ringing to tell

:20:11. > :20:14.you this happened. You probably ought to maybe speak to someone, I

:20:15. > :20:18.don't know." That's how it kicked off. The day after you signed your

:20:19. > :20:26.witness statement, you discovered that Gordon Dawson had killed

:20:27. > :20:30.himself? Yes. And that was something that you thought might happen,

:20:31. > :20:34.explain why? I was concerned that it was a risk and so I just asked as a

:20:35. > :20:39.general question, what had happened to his guns, had he had them

:20:40. > :20:46.removed? So Jeff said, "Ah, no, he hadn't. ." I said that should be

:20:47. > :20:49.done because he is a high risk and you spent a considerable amount of

:20:50. > :20:54.money and time a lot of people, we can't put that at risk and Jeff

:20:55. > :20:58.said, "We have put two requests in to do this, but it has been denied.

:20:59. > :21:03.They feel it is not a problem. I said well, it is a problem. How did

:21:04. > :21:08.you react when you heard that Gordon Dawson had taken his own life? That

:21:09. > :21:13.was tough. I mean dealing with this head-on was tough. Make ago

:21:14. > :21:17.statement was tough. But I went on to a really difficult decline at

:21:18. > :21:21.that point. That's when I think I realised, I'm a fairly tough guy,

:21:22. > :21:25.but I realised that your mind is very vulnerable and everyone has so

:21:26. > :21:30.much capacity and I think I had gone over mine and I had became as near

:21:31. > :21:41.to a nervous breakdown as I ever want to get. Why do you think that

:21:42. > :21:47.happened? Because you felt... The cheating, the fact that you will

:21:48. > :21:50.never be able to see it out. That you get no resolution, no justice.

:21:51. > :21:54.There has been no justice here whatsoever. You don't get your day

:21:55. > :22:01.in courtment you don't get to be vindicated. You open that floodgate

:22:02. > :22:06.to talk about this thing which is horrendous anyway and no one really

:22:07. > :22:11.wants to believe it and I don't blame them and then surredenly it is

:22:12. > :22:19.shut. So I was furious, absolutely furious. And I couldn't control the

:22:20. > :22:22.fury. I was frightened of myself. I think I frightened other people. I

:22:23. > :22:28.frightened my family, I frightened my friends. I ended up, I ended up

:22:29. > :22:32.losing my career over it because I needed time off. I didn't have much

:22:33. > :22:36.time off, I only had six weeks off in total. I shutdown, I didn't eat

:22:37. > :22:40.for days, I lost two-and-a-half stone, I didn't shower for a

:22:41. > :22:44.fortnight, I didn't shave for a fortnight, I didn't want to go out

:22:45. > :22:48.of the house. Luckily I had good friends who said, "You've got to get

:22:49. > :22:52.on with life, come with me, we're going here, we're going there." I

:22:53. > :22:57.was lucky from that point of view, but it destrous you. It was at

:22:58. > :23:05.Gordon Dawson's inquest that you learned that he had been told he was

:23:06. > :23:10.about to be re-arrested. When you discovered that, what did you think?

:23:11. > :23:17.Oh god, I couldn't believe that. That to me just seemed crazy. They

:23:18. > :23:27.had apparently only done it twice. They had apparently rung him up to

:23:28. > :23:33.tell him he was going to be arrested. My response to that was,

:23:34. > :23:37."Well, do you ring everybody? Do you ring your drug dealers? Don't pop

:23:38. > :23:41.out because we are going to arrest you." That's how it felt to me. I

:23:42. > :23:47.couldn't believe they prewarned people. Yeah, I was so shocked at

:23:48. > :23:52.that procedure. No process. It just seemed really odd to me. It seemed

:23:53. > :23:58.like favouritism. Would that have happened to me? Subsequently you

:23:59. > :24:02.also learned that apparently, Dawson had been told that you had come

:24:03. > :24:08.forward and made a statement. He was told that information? Yes. So I was

:24:09. > :24:11.told. I did say, if fairness, I said, well, you know, does he know

:24:12. > :24:20.who has come forward and they said no. I said if he knows I've come

:24:21. > :24:26.forward, he won't like that. Because he is so close to my family. So I

:24:27. > :24:30.said but you can happily tell him I wasn't in a fit state to make

:24:31. > :24:35.decisions at that point. I didn't know how to compute that. Looking

:24:36. > :24:39.back, it was the wrong thing to do. And seems bizarre that it actually

:24:40. > :24:44.happened. But apparently it did. When he took his own life, that was

:24:45. > :24:48.the end of the police investigation. Something that you complained about.

:24:49. > :24:51.So they appoint add chief inspector from the force's Professional

:24:52. > :24:55.Standards Department to do an internal investigation. Did you ever

:24:56. > :25:00.hear the findings of that report, the outcome of that report? No, no,

:25:01. > :25:05.again we have had no justice. No finals, no process, it has been

:25:06. > :25:09.shutdown, shutdown all the way so that makes you nervous. What do you

:25:10. > :25:12.think was going on? I came forward to help because someone said I think

:25:13. > :25:16.something is going on and you can contribute and I did that and we did

:25:17. > :25:20.the same with the Met as well. So really, you can't help, but worry

:25:21. > :25:25.when you don't get answers. Your mind does tend to think what is

:25:26. > :25:29.going on here? Because one person is telling me one thing and one person

:25:30. > :25:33.is telling me another and when the person dies they shut the

:25:34. > :25:37.investigation down completely. You mentioned the Metropolitan Police,

:25:38. > :25:42.they had various investigations going on into allegations of past

:25:43. > :25:47.sexual abuse by public figures. You got in touch with them to let them

:25:48. > :25:51.know about your experiences and the fact thaw believed some of the abuse

:25:52. > :25:54.happened at Dolphin Square, what came of your conversations with

:25:55. > :25:58.them? I made it quite clear that I would speak to them, but I didn't

:25:59. > :26:02.want messing around. That I had been messed around. They there had been

:26:03. > :26:05.doors shut left, right and centre and people hadn't spoken to me and

:26:06. > :26:10.that I asked for answers and I hadn't got them. And I said don't

:26:11. > :26:13.give me false supportment they said come forward we will support you.

:26:14. > :26:20.What's in place to support me? I was upfront before I went. I went. I

:26:21. > :26:24.spoke to two super officers, super, they were, I would probably use the

:26:25. > :26:29.word animated about what I had to tell them. I wish I could remember

:26:30. > :26:33.more detail. I wish I could be more specific, I wish I had videos and

:26:34. > :26:38.footage. It was almost like that's what you needed to prove it and so

:26:39. > :26:46.we had the conversations. They said, when I left, I said to them, "Look

:26:47. > :26:56.cut to the chase, am I walking out the door and you will say that guy

:26:57. > :27:00.doesn't know enough. They said not. A few days later, thanks, but no

:27:01. > :27:03.thanks. We are not looking at this. We are only interested in this. In

:27:04. > :27:09.the end I pushed a bit harder and I got the guy running the case who

:27:10. > :27:14.said the most incredibly dreadful e-mail. It is just unbelievable that

:27:15. > :27:19.a guy in that position can speak let alone e-mail somebody. An e-mail

:27:20. > :27:23.that's full of spelling mistakes and B, it is inappropriate in its

:27:24. > :27:27.content and doesn't give my any clarity about what I went to

:27:28. > :27:32.contribute towards and just fobs me off. We contacted the Met. They told

:27:33. > :27:39.us they reviewed the material in your case, but, "In the absence of

:27:40. > :27:44.new lines of inquiry and substantive allegations made or new witnesses,

:27:45. > :27:49.the matter remains closed." How can they keep closing doors like this?

:27:50. > :27:53.If there is nothing to hide, why can somebody not talk to me? Why can we

:27:54. > :27:58.not have a conversation with somebody at a level that understand

:27:59. > :28:01.these things. I did various Freedom of Information Requests, it has been

:28:02. > :28:05.tough, it was the last thing I wanted to do. There is all sorts of

:28:06. > :28:11.information that I had not had that I know exists and if it doesn't

:28:12. > :28:15.exist why is it destroyed? I know the investigation they did in

:28:16. > :28:19.Lincolnshire revealed some interesting facts. We got in touch

:28:20. > :28:25.with them and asked them a series of questions about your case. "We will

:28:26. > :28:30.not be respond to go your queries." That's charming, isn't it? They

:28:31. > :28:35.actually never told me. Lincolnshire Police never actually told me that

:28:36. > :28:40.Gordon Dawson shot himself. I heard it from a friend. I'm not saying

:28:41. > :28:46.that anything untoward has gone on, but I'm saying I can't, but feel it

:28:47. > :28:50.has. I was taken to Dolphin Square and I know a lot went on there. The

:28:51. > :28:53.way to sort this out is get everything on the table. Let's get

:28:54. > :28:59.this right going forward, it is so important. I nou I'm lucky. I still

:29:00. > :29:04.have my sanity. I don't have an addiction. I haven't actually tried

:29:05. > :29:09.to kill myself. I have come close, but I'm lucky.

:29:10. > :29:17.Can you ask you finally to explain to our audience why you are waving

:29:18. > :29:24.your right to anonymity? That's been a big one because I'm very private.

:29:25. > :29:28.I have a life. I don't want to suffer from that, but at the same

:29:29. > :29:35.time, it has gone on too long. I'm 50 next year. Every day I think

:29:36. > :29:38.about this. Every day it is part of me and I think it is really

:29:39. > :29:41.important. There has been enough secrets and enough hidden corners

:29:42. > :29:46.and enough anonymity. Enough with the anonymity. Let's, I am who I am.

:29:47. > :29:54.I know what happened. I have nothing to hide. I just want some answers,

:29:55. > :29:57.you know, I have been raped, raped and abused, I just want to know more

:29:58. > :30:01.and understand more. That's all. I don't think that's too much to ask.

:30:02. > :30:15.Thank you very much for talking to us, David, thank you. Thank you.

:30:16. > :30:22.One person says, he is a brave man talking about his child abuse. You

:30:23. > :30:26.can watch the interview and read the article. We asked Gordon Dawson's

:30:27. > :30:33.family for a reaction but they said they have no comment to make. The

:30:34. > :30:43.Met police confirmed officers did review the material and in the

:30:44. > :30:51.absence of any new witnesses, the matter remains closed. If new

:30:52. > :30:55.evidence comes to light we will readdress that recorded decision.

:30:56. > :31:02.Quite a few of you getting in touch about David Cameron's claim.

:31:03. > :31:09.David says if Cameron feared such things, why did he ever allow a

:31:10. > :31:18.referendum? This e-mail, the only prediction they have not tried yet

:31:19. > :31:22.is ending the world. We asked for an informed debate. All we are getting

:31:23. > :31:27.ask your stories. There will be uncertainty which ever way we go.

:31:28. > :31:29.This tweet, David Cameron is clearly very worried. Here's a clip of what

:31:30. > :31:40.he said. Isolationism has never served this

:31:41. > :31:46.country well. Whenever we turn our back on Europe we come to regret it.

:31:47. > :31:53.We've always had to go back in and always at a much higher cost. The

:31:54. > :31:56.rows of white headstones in lovingly tended Commonwealth war cemeteries

:31:57. > :32:03.stand as silent testament to the price this country has paid to

:32:04. > :32:08.restore peace and order in Europe. Can we be so sure that peace and

:32:09. > :32:12.stability on our continent are assured beyond a shadow of the

:32:13. > :32:16.doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make

:32:17. > :32:21.that assumption. It has been a leading 20 years since war in the

:32:22. > :32:25.Balkans and genocide on our continent. In the last few years we

:32:26. > :32:33.have seen tanks rolling into Georgia and Ukraine. Of this I am completely

:32:34. > :32:39.sure. The European Union has helped reconcile countries which were at

:32:40. > :32:46.each other's throats. Britain has a fundamental national interest at

:32:47. > :32:50.maintaining common purpose in Europe to avoid future conflict. That

:32:51. > :33:01.requires additional leadership and for Britain to remain a member. Let

:33:02. > :33:12.Doctor Malcolm Rifkind. He served in Margaret Thatcher's government. Liam

:33:13. > :33:28.Fox supports Britain leaving the EU. Is this scaremongering? I think this

:33:29. > :33:34.was over the top this idea. It is proposed is. Is it a fair point? I

:33:35. > :33:39.think Liam is missing the point. David Cameron was reminding us that

:33:40. > :33:44.we had to Mac world wars which started in Europe, Britain was

:33:45. > :33:49.involved from day one. The European Union was created as an attempt, a

:33:50. > :33:53.successful attempt, to make sure that could never again happen in

:33:54. > :33:59.Western Europe. I'm well aware that Nato is where we have the military

:34:00. > :34:02.security of Europe but we also need the political reconciliation of all

:34:03. > :34:08.the enemies, France, Germany, Britain. We were in both of these

:34:09. > :34:15.wars and we've seen how Europe has had wars and is still having them.

:34:16. > :34:21.The risk David Cameron was referring to is not that we would go to war

:34:22. > :34:27.three years later, it is that we would start the fragmentation. For a

:34:28. > :34:33.country the size of the UK to leave means the EU's existence would

:34:34. > :34:37.become at stake. Final point is it is now call incidents that the

:34:38. > :34:45.people who want to see us leave the EU are Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump,

:34:46. > :34:49.whereas our friends in America, Australia, Canada are desperately

:34:50. > :34:56.anxious that we remain. Is it worth any potential instability if Britain

:34:57. > :35:03.leaves? I think the instability is already there. The nationalised

:35:04. > :35:09.tendencies that led us to conflict I there. -- National list tendencies.

:35:10. > :35:13.There is anger because of the democratic deficit. You're seeing

:35:14. > :35:20.offences going up across Europe because, in my view, those running

:35:21. > :35:26.Europe are refusing to change direction from a direction set in

:35:27. > :35:30.the 1950s. This idea that the European Union has created stability

:35:31. > :35:34.and peace since World War II, there has been an element of that, but

:35:35. > :35:38.most of the countries have only been there since 2004. We were not there

:35:39. > :35:43.for the first 20 years. I would agree that it is neater which has

:35:44. > :35:50.provided that but there are more options. We cooperate with a lot of

:35:51. > :35:53.countries not in the European Union. We can cooperate with our

:35:54. > :35:59.counterparts in the European Union on the continent as we do with

:36:00. > :36:04.Norway, which is not in the union but is part of continental Europe.

:36:05. > :36:10.Some of these points are being made by voters, they say David Cameron is

:36:11. > :36:16.being a bit over the top. If you go buy some of the headlines, Cameron

:36:17. > :36:21.says there will be war, you has never said that but I can understand

:36:22. > :36:25.why people would be angry. That is not what he is saying and you have

:36:26. > :36:29.shown a very fair excerpt from it. He is saying Western Europe, never

:36:30. > :36:39.mind Russia and Eastern Europe, Western Europe is where all of us

:36:40. > :36:44.went to war, not once, twice, and why Churchill called for the

:36:45. > :36:50.European Union was because, unless there was reconciliation, primarily

:36:51. > :36:57.between France and Germany, we could not stay out of these wars. We are

:36:58. > :37:01.part of Europe. If Europe fragments, a country the size of Britain

:37:02. > :37:06.leaving, other countries might be saying, what is the future of this

:37:07. > :37:14.European Union? That is why Vladimir Putin will be delighted. He knows

:37:15. > :37:25.that I united Europe combined with Nato means his aspirations cannot be

:37:26. > :37:33.realised. We were in the European Union when they invaded Georgia, the

:37:34. > :37:35.annexed Crimea. I agree, of course we want reconciliation between

:37:36. > :37:40.France and Germany but the model they choose is up to them. We need

:37:41. > :37:44.to choose what is good for the United Kingdom and I think the model

:37:45. > :37:53.is far too restrictive and interfering, and that is what we

:37:54. > :37:58.need to get back. Let me respond to that point. The examples he uses

:37:59. > :38:04.prove the point I was making. Russia has used Armed Forces in Ukraine and

:38:05. > :38:09.Georgia, not members of the European Union. Estonia is. It has been

:38:10. > :38:15.subject to a cyber attack but no military involvement because they

:38:16. > :38:21.know perfectly well that it would be entitled to the protection of the

:38:22. > :38:25.European Union. Do you accept that? I think this idea that they will be

:38:26. > :38:28.dancing in the Kremlin if we leave the European Union is hyperbolic and

:38:29. > :38:34.I don't think helps the rational debate. There are lots of ways that

:38:35. > :38:40.the United Kingdom could continue to cooperate as a sovereign nation

:38:41. > :38:43.without Brussels telling at what laws we need to accept and who can

:38:44. > :38:48.settle in the United Kingdom and how to spend our money. It is about what

:38:49. > :38:52.kind of model we want. And if other countries were to choose to leave,

:38:53. > :38:56.it is because the European Union was feeling for them as well. That is

:38:57. > :39:00.one of the things that I hope will happen. I hope if we leave it will

:39:01. > :39:04.be shock therapy for those who are in control in Brussels to recognise

:39:05. > :39:07.that other countries might leave if they don't change the way in which

:39:08. > :39:12.they are running the European Union. Does that not make you worry about

:39:13. > :39:21.intelligence sharing across the European Union if Britain leaves?

:39:22. > :39:25.What one head of MI6 was sharing, that they might share intelligence

:39:26. > :39:35.but not what Britain wants. If we are influencing that it is a good

:39:36. > :39:39.thing. Are closest partners... We have the closest intelligence

:39:40. > :39:43.sharing with countries not in the European Union. It is in our mutual

:39:44. > :39:47.interests to do so for the protection of our citizens. This

:39:48. > :39:51.idea that the other European countries would diminish that

:39:52. > :39:54.intelligence sharing because we are outside the European Union accept

:39:55. > :39:59.that they would be willing to tolerate additional risk to their

:40:00. > :40:03.own citizens as a punishment for Britain is absurd in the real world.

:40:04. > :40:13.We are not going to not pass on intelligence to Britain. Are they? I

:40:14. > :40:18.am not going to shirk from saying this, I cheered Britain's

:40:19. > :40:23.intelligence committee for five years. Liam is right that our

:40:24. > :40:27.cooperation with America, Australia, Canada and New Zealand is very

:40:28. > :40:35.important but the terrorist threat we are getting at the moment is

:40:36. > :40:38.within Britain, France and Belgium, it is European cooperation on

:40:39. > :40:44.intelligence that is crucially important over the next few years.

:40:45. > :40:49.Sir Richard Dearlove said if another European country got a tip-off about

:40:50. > :40:56.an attack they are not going to not tell us. You are absolutely right,

:40:57. > :41:03.any civilised country would tell us, but that is not the point, properly

:41:04. > :41:08.intelligence is done by accumulating very large amounts of data on

:41:09. > :41:12.suspected terrorists and the people we are mixing with. Because these

:41:13. > :41:17.are international terrorists, in France, Belgium, Britain,

:41:18. > :41:22.communicate with each other, we need to get that information very

:41:23. > :41:26.quickly. Let me give one example, if a DNA sample is found at the moment

:41:27. > :41:31.it takes hours, days, for that exchange between various countries.

:41:32. > :41:35.Under the new scheme in the EU which we will benefit from, crucial DNA

:41:36. > :41:41.information can be shared within minutes. Just one example. I could

:41:42. > :41:45.give half a dozen others. That is why the head of MI5 and MI6 and

:41:46. > :41:51.everyone involved in intelligence, there are a couple that take a

:41:52. > :41:55.different view but the vast majority of people who handle intelligence

:41:56. > :41:58.would be deeply disturbed if the improvements we are seeing in

:41:59. > :42:02.European cooperation were set back in this gratuitous way. I don't

:42:03. > :42:06.think they need to be set back. I think we can cooperate with our

:42:07. > :42:09.partners and find ways of doing what is in our mutual interest. You've

:42:10. > :42:15.got to balance some of that against the American Attorney General seeing

:42:16. > :42:19.that the way in which we could deal with information in Europe might

:42:20. > :42:23.affect information sharing with the US. You need to look at the Hall of

:42:24. > :42:28.the argument. The intelligence community is not all on one side.

:42:29. > :42:33.Overwhelmingly in the intelligence community they are saying Britain is

:42:34. > :42:37.safer in with Europe. They are saying if we were excluded. I don't

:42:38. > :42:47.think we would be. But you don't know? It is up to the government to

:42:48. > :42:51.protect the situation. On all these questions, Liam and his colleagues,

:42:52. > :42:55.all they can say is we don't believe this will happen, we hope this will

:42:56. > :42:58.not happen, we see no reason why it should happen. That is not the

:42:59. > :43:03.reassurance the people of Britain will have. Thank you. Liam Fox,

:43:04. > :43:11.former Defence Secretary, and Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign

:43:12. > :43:13.Secretary. A 64-year-old man has admitted murdering a teenage girl

:43:14. > :43:22.who was stabbed to death over three decades ago. Christopher Hampton has

:43:23. > :43:26.pleaded guilty to murdering the girl, who was 17. She was described

:43:27. > :43:31.as bright and outgoing by her family. She was sexually assaulted

:43:32. > :43:34.and died from multiple stab wounds. She had decided to walk the 20

:43:35. > :43:37.minute journey home following a night out with friends in Somerset.

:43:38. > :43:43.The body was discovered the next morning. Father of three Christopher

:43:44. > :43:48.Hampton from Bristol had been due to stand trial at Bristol Crown Court

:43:49. > :43:55.today after denying the charge originally. He has admitted

:43:56. > :44:04.murdering the girl as she was walking home after a night out. She

:44:05. > :44:13.was stabbed to death 32 years ago. Time to stand up and say no to this

:44:14. > :44:16.dangerous nonsense. The director of Wolf Hall was just one of the stars

:44:17. > :44:23.who spoke up in defence of the BBC. It comes days before the government

:44:24. > :44:30.plans to publish its plans setting out the structure for the future of

:44:31. > :44:34.the BBC. I think all these films, the writers, directors, the cast and

:44:35. > :44:36.crew, everyone in this hall, is able to do what they do as well as they

:44:37. > :45:00.do because the BBC. Do not strip it away. Did you watch

:45:01. > :45:06.the Hollow Crown last night? I would like to thank the BBC who have

:45:07. > :45:10.allowed us to be rude about the government, of all persuasions and

:45:11. > :45:16.none, and their opposition, and rude about the BBC itself, which is a

:45:17. > :45:19.privilege you are given with public service broadcasting and not on

:45:20. > :45:27.state television. Thank you very much. I am struck tonight by the

:45:28. > :45:32.quality of the story telling in this country and I agree with Peter that

:45:33. > :45:38.the times are hard but I think, will to any government or corporation who

:45:39. > :45:43.tries to get between the British people and their love of a good

:45:44. > :45:49.joke, a true story, a good song, a fact, fiction, good sports

:45:50. > :45:53.commentating, newscasters who can hold themselves together as they

:45:54. > :46:01.tell stories about tragedies, the incredible variety, people can cook

:46:02. > :46:05.well, bake cakes, the variety of culture, of popular culture in this

:46:06. > :46:12.country, it is really blowing my mind tonight. In the week in which

:46:13. > :46:16.John Whittingdale described the disappearance of the BBC as a

:46:17. > :46:17.tempting prospect, I'd like to say a few words in defence of that

:46:18. > :46:32.organisation. APPLAUSE I think most people would

:46:33. > :46:37.agree the BBC's main job is to speak truth to power. To report to the

:46:38. > :46:40.British public without fear or favour no matter how unpalatable

:46:41. > :46:43.that might be to those in Government. It is a public

:46:44. > :46:52.broadcaster, independent of Government, it is your BBC.

:46:53. > :46:58.APPLAUSE In many ways, in many ways our

:46:59. > :47:04.broadcasting, the BBC and Channel 4, which they are also attempting to

:47:05. > :47:12.vis rate, is the envy of the world and we should stand up and fight for

:47:13. > :47:22.it, not let it go by default and if we don't, blink, and it will be

:47:23. > :47:31.gone. There will be no more Wolf Halls.

:47:32. > :47:35.No, no. APPLAUSE

:47:36. > :47:37.It's time for us to stand up and say no to this dangerous nonsense. Thank

:47:38. > :47:54.you very much. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

:47:55. > :48:02.This week the Government is due to publish its plans for the future of

:48:03. > :48:08.the BBC. There is speculation about what the plans might involve. Steve

:48:09. > :48:14.Hewlett is the man we turn to for BBC analysis. OK, what do we think

:48:15. > :48:17.is going to be in the white paper published on Thursday? Very little

:48:18. > :48:21.of what has been suggested to be honest. The whole thing is getting

:48:22. > :48:25.out of hand. It is getting hot and heavy. We have been waiting ages for

:48:26. > :48:31.this and it is coming up on Thursday and everyone is getting over

:48:32. > :48:35.excited. Is there any evidence of a full-on ideological assault on the

:48:36. > :48:39.BBC? The answer is, well I have no evidence for it. The answer is

:48:40. > :48:42.probably no. Some of what has been said appears to me to be on the face

:48:43. > :48:50.of it over the top. On the other hand, there have been weeks of

:48:51. > :48:54.briefings from around the DMCS, suggesting a Government might step

:48:55. > :48:58.in, the BBC might be forced to disclose the names of individual

:48:59. > :49:02.people, talent as it were, who earn individual amounts of money. We

:49:03. > :49:07.could talk about that, there is all sorts of issues about that. The BBC

:49:08. > :49:18.might be forced to sell this, sell that. A new board? So lots of leaks

:49:19. > :49:22.on one hand. Most of which are over briefed and over written and

:49:23. > :49:25.nonsense. What is really going on? Is there a fair question to ask

:49:26. > :49:32.about the BBC's market impact? Of course, there is. It is a huge

:49:33. > :49:35.public intervention. You can't put in $3.7 billion and keep your

:49:36. > :49:39.fingers crossed that you don't damage other people in the process.

:49:40. > :49:45.There are lines in the existing charter, and the one before, about

:49:46. > :49:49.the BBC's market impact. Do I expect something about the BBC's market

:49:50. > :49:53.impact? I hope so. It would be madness not to. Will it amount to

:49:54. > :50:01.John Whittingdale trying to schedule Saturday night? Not a chance. Let's

:50:02. > :50:04.bring in Lord Ali, he is launching a draft Bill against the proposals.

:50:05. > :50:10.Good morning to you. An independent TV producer and founder of the Great

:50:11. > :50:14.BBC Campaign. What is it that you're worried about then? I think there

:50:15. > :50:17.are three big tests for the white paper on Thursday. One, does it

:50:18. > :50:22.guarantee the independence of the BBC? Two, does it guarantee the

:50:23. > :50:28.licence fee throughout the Charter period? And three, does it guarantee

:50:29. > :50:31.the core mission of the BBC to educate, inform and entertain? And

:50:32. > :50:36.those three things are the tests that I will be looking at along with

:50:37. > :50:42.normal Fowler and Anthony Leicester as to whether they are guaranteed in

:50:43. > :50:46.the white paper. Everything John Whittingdale has done has been in

:50:47. > :50:51.effect to undermine those principles. I disagree with Steve. I

:50:52. > :50:55.do think the Culture Secretary is ideological opposed to the BBC. You

:50:56. > :50:58.saw that when he was joking with Conservative students last week,

:50:59. > :51:07.when he said that the demise of the BBC is a welcome thought. It was a

:51:08. > :51:12.joke! Yeah, but out of those jokes you get his sentiments. Can you tell

:51:13. > :51:17.our audience one thing that the Culture Secretary has done which

:51:18. > :51:21.undermines the BBC in the way you have described? So wanting to

:51:22. > :51:25.appoint directors to the board. Directly from Government. Talking

:51:26. > :51:30.about top-slicing the licence fee. Trying to replace the licence fee.

:51:31. > :51:36.Talking about making the BBC make less popular programmes. Looking at

:51:37. > :51:42.competitive scheduling. Now, this would all make sense if somehow ITV

:51:43. > :51:47.and Sky were in trouble. ITV and Sky are amazing organisations. They are

:51:48. > :51:51.extraordinary organisations. Sky made ten, on a turn-over of ?10

:51:52. > :51:56.billion and made ?1.7 billion of profit. ITV on a turnover of ?3

:51:57. > :52:00.billion made ?800 million of the these are not broadcasters in

:52:01. > :52:04.trouble. They are at their best. Why does the Secretary of State want to

:52:05. > :52:15.tie the BBC's hands? Thank you. Let me bring in John Red

:52:16. > :52:19.Wood who supports the Government's plans. John Red Wood, what do you

:52:20. > :52:23.want to change? What do you hope the Culture Secretary will change about

:52:24. > :52:28.the way the BBC operates? Well, as we've heard rightly from Stephen,

:52:29. > :52:31.most of these are scare stories. What do you want to see differently?

:52:32. > :52:35.The Government supports the BBC and it support the licence fee and it

:52:36. > :52:39.supports public service broadcasting. The issue which has

:52:40. > :52:43.been explored before and needs to be explored again is its competitive

:52:44. > :52:47.impact because we want lots of talent is isn't of the BBC able to

:52:48. > :52:54.produce interesting and challenging programmes. What would you like to

:52:55. > :52:57.see? My worry about the BBC, I don't think it lives up to one of the

:52:58. > :53:03.claims that it provides a challenge to power. If you take the issue of

:53:04. > :53:08.Europe and its involvement to our economy. I remember making the case

:53:09. > :53:12.in the print media and elsewhere that the European exchange rate

:53:13. > :53:15.mechanism would give us recession and mass unemployment. The BBC

:53:16. > :53:21.wouldn't run any of that as a programme. They happen to be true.

:53:22. > :53:25.That's going back a few years. You may well have a point. What do you

:53:26. > :53:29.want to change? We want a background where the BBC is able to challenge

:53:30. > :53:34.the establishment view when it is wrong as it was on the exchange rate

:53:35. > :53:38.mechanism and the euro and the print media allows us to challenge it and

:53:39. > :53:42.the BBC doesn't. It won't allow me to make the case about how I think

:53:43. > :53:45.we would be better off by leaving the European Union. That's not true.

:53:46. > :53:49.You have been on this programme making the case yourself! All these

:53:50. > :53:53.other people are saying we're going to be worse off. You know we have to

:53:54. > :53:58.balance it and we are doing a reasonable job of doing that. What

:53:59. > :54:01.is it that you're worried about? With all the discussions, I'm not

:54:02. > :54:12.hearing people talk about being a lover of the programmes. I'm a lover

:54:13. > :54:16.of the BBC. Along with most of the audience, radio appreciation 82% and

:54:17. > :54:20.I was on Newsnight talking about leaving Europe. There is a space for

:54:21. > :54:26.that type of debate. For me, the big issue is this shift from is it going

:54:27. > :54:29.to be a public broadcaster or is it going to become a State

:54:30. > :54:32.broadcasting? That's the thing. We can sit here like Steve you talked

:54:33. > :54:35.about what you thought would be in the white paper. The issue is there

:54:36. > :54:39.have been so many leaks, it is no wonder everyone has got into a

:54:40. > :54:44.state, quite a tizzy about it and it has got lots of people rightly

:54:45. > :54:48.talking. The politics of this are peculiar. And it goes back to how

:54:49. > :55:01.the whole thing started. The financial deal that the BBC, around

:55:02. > :55:10.which the BBC will be structured. It is an ?800 million cut, it is 20% of

:55:11. > :55:14.the BBC's budget. That's proper grievous bodily harm. That's serious

:55:15. > :55:17.whatever happens with the white paper. John Whittingdale and his

:55:18. > :55:22.department, it is cart before horse. You discuss the BBC, its size, its

:55:23. > :55:26.scope, its purposes, why bother and all these things, it is proper to

:55:27. > :55:28.discuss every ten years and say given that we should pay this.

:55:29. > :55:35.Unfortunately, it is the wrong way around. The debate has an unusual

:55:36. > :55:38.politics to it. That's the big question. What's the structure of

:55:39. > :55:44.the BBC going to be from this white paper? The BBC Trust has shown

:55:45. > :55:47.itself to be ineffective and politically, become something of a

:55:48. > :55:50.dead letter because was it the regulator, was it the cheerleader

:55:51. > :55:54.and those dreadful scenes in front of the Public Accounts Committee

:55:55. > :55:57.where the chairman of the BBC was attacking the Director-General over

:55:58. > :56:01.who knew what about how much executives were paid to leave. It

:56:02. > :56:05.was an unedifying sight and left people thinking this clearly doesn't

:56:06. > :56:09.work. The idea coming forward is a new unitary boardment fine, what

:56:10. > :56:14.happened? The BBC welcomed the unitary board, but thought hang on a

:56:15. > :56:20.minute, who appoints the directors? John Whittingdale has not said that

:56:21. > :56:24.it he intends to appoint the directors. He said that he didn't

:56:25. > :56:27.see why Government appointment per se undermined their independence

:56:28. > :56:35.because he said, the Government already... It will undermine. That's

:56:36. > :56:39.one of the big questions, isn't it? Is that an issue for you or are you

:56:40. > :56:44.not bothered who will appoint the directors of the BBC? Well, I want

:56:45. > :56:47.independent directors and I suspect that's what the Secretary of State

:56:48. > :56:50.wants. Quite often we have so-called independent bodies in this country

:56:51. > :56:54.where Governments do produce the nominees and they have a system

:56:55. > :56:58.using officials and outside advisors to get independent bodies. I really

:56:59. > :57:03.don't think the Secretary of State wants to run a propaganda outfit

:57:04. > :57:09.through the BBC. He knows that would be quite wrong and inappropriate. He

:57:10. > :57:13.said that he doesn't see the Government appointments undermine

:57:14. > :57:17.their independence. We have a so-called Bank of England Monetary

:57:18. > :57:21.Policy Committee, but they are appointed... You have to be brief?

:57:22. > :57:24.This is the BBC's operational board and if the Government appoints the

:57:25. > :57:28.majority of directors in the word out there, you can kiss goodbye to

:57:29. > :57:31.the perception at least... Is the governor of the Bank of England

:57:32. > :57:34.independent because he is appointed by the Bank of England? This is a

:57:35. > :57:38.big worry that people like myself have and I think the public have

:57:39. > :57:43.what, is the involvement that the Government will have and I think it

:57:44. > :57:47.is a dangerous step when they become involved. Do you think it is a

:57:48. > :57:51.dangerous step? I care about it. I want them to be independent. Who

:57:52. > :57:55.does appoint them? They do care about it because once you have those

:57:56. > :57:59.type of people on the highest level of the BBC then that filters down to

:58:00. > :58:04.the type of programmes we have. How do you do this? We will find out on

:58:05. > :58:17.Thursday. Paul says, "How nice to see a room full of millionaires. The

:58:18. > :58:21.BAFTAs last night. Night shouting for the BBC." James Nesbitt in

:58:22. > :58:25.support of the BBC. Joanna is here tomorrow and she will bring you

:58:26. > :58:32.access to a counterfeit drugs raid. Have a good day.