:00:13. > :00:14.Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -
:00:15. > :00:17.The banking regulator calls for a cap on overdraft fees
:00:18. > :00:20.and warnings to customers before they go overdrawn.
:00:21. > :00:23.He went missing six years ago from his home in Kent,
:00:24. > :00:26.and is one of thousands of people who disappear each year.
:00:27. > :00:28.We'll bring you an update on 31-year-old Matthew Green,
:00:29. > :00:35.whose story we brought you before Christmas.
:00:36. > :00:45.I just said, have a good weekend. Don't leave it too late on Sunday,
:00:46. > :00:50.getting back. Bingeing on alcohol, overdosing
:00:51. > :00:53.on painkillers and illegal drugs - all part of a worrying rise
:00:54. > :00:55.in children deliberately We talk to two people
:00:56. > :01:09.who used to self-poison. Do get in touch on all the stories
:01:10. > :01:15.we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged
:01:16. > :01:19.at the standard network rate. After the Hillsborough inquests
:01:20. > :01:21.and pressure for a new investigation into what happened between police
:01:22. > :01:23.and miners at Orgreave, should police officers be forced out
:01:24. > :01:27.of retirement to answer questions And we'll talk about young mums
:01:28. > :01:33.who say they have been discriminated against at work
:01:34. > :01:35.because they were pregnant - Or did they make your
:01:36. > :01:42.job more difficult? And we'll being talking live
:01:43. > :01:44.to Jamala, who took the Eurovision crown
:01:45. > :01:49.for Ukraine on Saturday. It is our first British TV
:01:50. > :01:54.interview. Banks should be required to cap
:01:55. > :01:57.the amount they charge customers That's the recommendation
:01:58. > :01:59.from the Competition It's proposing a maximum
:02:00. > :02:02.monthly charge as part of a solution to tackle problems
:02:03. > :02:05.with current accounts. In 2014, banks made ?1.2 billion
:02:06. > :02:24.from those penalty fees. To announce what is the maximum they
:02:25. > :02:30.will charge in any month to a customer or using an arranged
:02:31. > :02:33.overdraft so that customers not only get some as you read of what is the
:02:34. > :02:37.most they campaign but also get a warning about the fact that
:02:38. > :02:44.overdrafts can get very costly, and we also want banks to send messages
:02:45. > :02:49.to customers when they are in danger of going into overdraft so they can
:02:50. > :02:54.do their best to avoid being hit by high overdraft charges. We think
:02:55. > :02:57.that a lot can be done to reduce the charges that bank customers at the
:02:58. > :03:03.moment pay for an arranged overdrafts.
:03:04. > :03:07.We will talk more about that later in the programme.
:03:08. > :03:09.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary
:03:10. > :03:13.Police have voiced concerns that unarmed officers could be "sitting
:03:14. > :03:15.ducks" in the event of a gun attack by terrorists.
:03:16. > :03:18.The main police union says that in spite of plans to increase
:03:19. > :03:21.the number of firearms staff, officers at strategic sites such
:03:22. > :03:23.as oil refineries and nuclear power stations in rural and coastal areas
:03:24. > :03:28.The attacks in Paris last November sparked a rethink
:03:29. > :03:35.130 people died and hundreds more were wounded when militants launched
:03:36. > :03:44.They used Kalashnikov assault rifles and explosive belts.
:03:45. > :03:47.It prompted the UK Government to pay for 1000 more police firearms
:03:48. > :03:53.In addition, local forces will fund 500 from existing police budgets.
:03:54. > :03:57.But the Police Federation still doesn't believe armed units
:03:58. > :04:00.will be able to respond quickly enough to an attack
:04:01. > :04:06.That is where some of the country's key energy and power
:04:07. > :04:10.Following events in Paris and Brussels, they are concerned.
:04:11. > :04:13.They do feel vulnerable, that they will be sitting ducks
:04:14. > :04:19.in the event of a terrorist atrocity in this country.
:04:20. > :04:28.The Federation is also concerned the recruitment drive will create
:04:29. > :04:30.a gap in the front line as armed officers transfer
:04:31. > :04:32.from uniformed roles, neighbourhood policing and CID.
:04:33. > :04:35.The National Police Chiefs' Council says mobilising firearms
:04:36. > :04:37.officers is a challenge, but it says police would have
:04:38. > :04:40.support from the army, and is discussing plans for military
:04:41. > :04:47.helicopters to fly police firearms units to the scene of an attack.
:04:48. > :04:50.Out campaigner Nigel Farage says he'll campaign for a second
:04:51. > :04:53.referendum on the UK staying in the European Union
:04:54. > :04:58.He says a scenario like 52% to 48% would mean that the UK's
:04:59. > :05:05.place in Europe remains 'unfinished business'.
:05:06. > :05:08.This has led to questions about whether or not he feels
:05:09. > :05:11.the Leave side could actually come out on top.
:05:12. > :05:13.But this morning he was maintaining his optimism.
:05:14. > :05:20.I think we are going to win this referendum. Why? Because there is
:05:21. > :05:24.far more passion on the Leeds side of the argument, leave voters are
:05:25. > :05:28.more likely to go down to the primary schools and vote on the 23rd
:05:29. > :05:31.so I think we are going to win. If we were to lose, narrowly, which I
:05:32. > :05:36.don't think we well, if we were then what I can see is a large section
:05:37. > :05:47.particularly in the Conservative Party who feel the Prime Minister is
:05:48. > :05:50.not playing fair, that the Remain side are using far more money than
:05:51. > :05:52.the Leave side and there would be a resentment that would build up if
:05:53. > :05:54.that was to be the result. Having said that, I still think Leave is
:05:55. > :05:55.going to win. Nurses and pharmacists could be
:05:56. > :05:57.trained to cover growing gaps in junior doctors' rotas,
:05:58. > :06:02.as part of proposals from the health It says this would help to create
:06:03. > :06:06.a more flexible workforce, Unions say there is no substitute
:06:07. > :06:10.for an experienced doctor. We are going to do Kate's blood
:06:11. > :06:19.pressure today... Once, a check-up like this
:06:20. > :06:24.would have been performed by a highly-trained
:06:25. > :06:27.nurse or even a doctor, but in Bradford, after careful
:06:28. > :06:29.training, healthcare assistants, who might help wash patients,
:06:30. > :06:32.are taking on a bigger role, meaning nurses can concentrate on those
:06:33. > :06:34.in need with more urgent care. I benefit with new skills,
:06:35. > :06:37.I have broadened skills I have and I have more
:06:38. > :06:39.confidence with patients. We have more time to build a better
:06:40. > :06:41.relationship with them and give them things
:06:42. > :06:48.while they are here so they don't have to go to other places
:06:49. > :06:52.where they're not sure of going. The report today says developing
:06:53. > :06:54.skills among staff is vital Examples include support workers,
:06:55. > :06:57.like care assistants, Nurses, physios and paramedics can
:06:58. > :07:03.be trained to manage chronic long-term conditions,
:07:04. > :07:07.and in some hospitals senior nurses are now filling gaps
:07:08. > :07:09.in junior doctors' rotas, using expert knowledge
:07:10. > :07:11.and taking complex decisions. When the NHS began, patients tended
:07:12. > :07:14.to just have one condition and be Now, patients have many conditions
:07:15. > :07:22.which need long-term care, and this means staff need new skills
:07:23. > :07:25.to manage these sets of patients. Health unions have expressed some
:07:26. > :07:28.doubts, arguing nurses and other staff are under enough pressure
:07:29. > :07:34.already, but the report today says training the existing workforce
:07:35. > :07:36.is the quickest way to bridge the growing gap between
:07:37. > :07:39.what patients need and the skills and knowledge of the NHS workforce
:07:40. > :07:46.which cares for them. 20 foreign ministers are meeting
:07:47. > :07:48.in Vienna to discuss ways It's been undermined
:07:49. > :07:53.by fighting in some areas. Several powerful explosions have
:07:54. > :07:56.been detected in central Syria, in a gas field held
:07:57. > :08:00.by Islamic State militants. The Syrian Observatory
:08:01. > :08:04.for Human Rights says its thought IS has destroyed gas pumping
:08:05. > :08:08.stations to prevent them falling Primary and secondary schools
:08:09. > :08:17.in England struggling to recruit teachers spent ?821 million
:08:18. > :08:19.on supply staff last year. Analysis by BBC News shows
:08:20. > :08:24.the equivalent of ?168 was spent on each child to hire
:08:25. > :08:27.in extra staff to cover Unions say this reflects
:08:28. > :08:30.a "serious teacher recruitment and retention crisis",
:08:31. > :08:36.as David Rhodes reports. If you had come to this school
:08:37. > :08:40.in North Yorkshire two years ago, chances are you would not have seen
:08:41. > :08:44.this, a full-time teacher in front This school was failing,
:08:45. > :08:51.in special measures, and spending over ?500,000 on supply teachers
:08:52. > :08:54.each year, equivalent to 15% This was one of the biggest spending
:08:55. > :08:59.schools in the country. A new head teacher was sent
:09:00. > :09:01.in to turn things around. She replaced nearly half the staff,
:09:02. > :09:07.looking overseas for new teachers. There are challenges for coastal
:09:08. > :09:10.schools and recruiting to them. We have also taken the opportunity
:09:11. > :09:15.to recruit overseas teachers. That has brought a different
:09:16. > :09:18.dimension into the school as well. Three years ago, the amount schools
:09:19. > :09:37.were spending on supply teachers to cover vacancies
:09:38. > :09:39.and absences in England That increased to ?840 million,
:09:40. > :09:42.although it came down Spending on supply teachers is equal
:09:43. > :09:46.to 6% of England's overall The average school
:09:47. > :09:57.spending ?168 per pupil. Figures for Scotland
:09:58. > :09:59.and Northern Ireland are not Does the use of supply teachers
:10:00. > :10:06.affect a child's education? I would certainly say I understand
:10:07. > :10:09.why parents would Scarborough might look
:10:10. > :10:12.like a picture postcard, but it has been hard to recruit
:10:13. > :10:15.teachers to this part of the world. Unions say that reflects
:10:16. > :10:17.the national trend. The Government has been unable
:10:18. > :10:20.to find graduates to take up Whilst supply teachers are doing
:10:21. > :10:27.a fantastic job in often difficult circumstances,
:10:28. > :10:29.I believe the agencies Across England, 70% of school
:10:30. > :10:32.spending on supply staff now goes through private
:10:33. > :10:38.agencies like this one. The unions say these companies put
:10:39. > :10:41.profits before children. A former supply teacher says
:10:42. > :10:44.that is not true and her company It generally can still be
:10:45. > :10:51.ringing at 10.30pm. I don't know how schools
:10:52. > :11:02.would operate without us. The Government says there is no
:11:03. > :11:04.teacher recruitment crisis, saying that the number and quality
:11:05. > :11:07.of teachers is at a record high with the overall full-time vacancy
:11:08. > :11:11.rate standing at just 0.8%. But school budgets
:11:12. > :11:12.have been squeezed. As a result, when money
:11:13. > :11:18.is spent on supply teachers, it means there is less
:11:19. > :11:22.money to spend elsewhere. The Irish singer Sinead O'Connor has
:11:23. > :11:25.been found safe and well after sparking a police alert
:11:26. > :11:28.when she went missing near Chicago. The 49-year-old singer went
:11:29. > :11:31.on a bike ride on Sunday, Local media reported that she had
:11:32. > :11:36.been staying with friends in the Chicago suburb
:11:37. > :11:39.for the past several weeks. In 2012 she said she'd suffered
:11:40. > :11:41.a "very serious breakdown" The world's biggest cruise ship has
:11:42. > :11:49.sailed into Southampton from France, The Harmony Of The Sea is 50 metres
:11:50. > :11:55.taller than the Eiffel Tower. It has 23 swimming pools and can
:11:56. > :12:02.carry can 6000 passengers. With a $1 billion price tag,
:12:03. > :12:05.it's also the most expensive cruise liner ever built -
:12:06. > :12:08.not surprising as it took 2500 workers more than two
:12:09. > :12:11.years to finish the job. And we'll be live on board
:12:12. > :12:22.the Harmony Of The Sea Sunday's Justin, two men have been
:12:23. > :12:31.arrested on suspicion of funding terrorism, they are both aged 24 and
:12:32. > :12:34.work arrested at separate residential addresses in south
:12:35. > :12:35.London. They are currently in custody at South London police
:12:36. > :12:36.stations. That's a summary of the latest BBC
:12:37. > :12:47.News - more at 9.30. In the next hour we'll get
:12:48. > :12:50.an update on Matthew Green - he went missing from his home
:12:51. > :12:52.in Kent in 2010. He was 26 when he disappeared
:12:53. > :12:55.and his parents haven't heard from him since we spoke
:12:56. > :12:57.to them in December. We will get an update on his case
:12:58. > :12:59.this morning. Do get in touch with us
:13:00. > :13:01.throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged
:13:02. > :13:05.at the standard network rate. Let's get the sport now with John -
:13:06. > :13:08.and the Premier League should That rearranged match
:13:09. > :13:18.between Bournemouth and Manchester United will be played
:13:19. > :13:20.tonight, after Sunday's match was abandoned
:13:21. > :13:21.following the discovery of an imitation bomb left
:13:22. > :13:24.behind by a security firm. Hundreds of Bournemouth fans will be
:13:25. > :13:26.back on buses this lunchtime Marcus Rashford will be the man,
:13:27. > :13:32.or rather the boy, in the spotlight. At 18, he was named in Roy Hodgson's
:13:33. > :13:34.provisional England Incredible story -
:13:35. > :13:37.born in Manchester, not Only made his United debut
:13:38. > :13:44.in February - scored four goals in first two games,
:13:45. > :13:54.hasn't even played for the England U21's but could be
:13:55. > :13:57.set for his first full international He would become the second youngest
:13:58. > :14:01.Englishman to go to a major tournament as Roy Hodgson decides
:14:02. > :14:07.if the teenager makes his final I'm pleased that someone who has had
:14:08. > :14:11.such an outstanding end to the season, a young player, a player I
:14:12. > :14:15.think has obviously got a future if he can continue to develop as he has
:14:16. > :14:19.developed so far, it is great to be able to include him and then there
:14:20. > :14:23.is no reason, if he does exceptionally well, why he couldn't
:14:24. > :14:30.knock someone off their perch. He will be hoping to do that later.
:14:31. > :14:33.We all know how attractive playing in the Premier League is.
:14:34. > :14:42.Sheffield Wednesday are one game away from the riches that it brings,
:14:43. > :14:44.they beat Brighton in the Championship play-off semi-finals.
:14:45. > :14:49.Sheffield Wednesday equalised through Ross Wallace.
:14:50. > :14:54.Wednesday will now face Hull or Derby for a place
:14:55. > :14:59.It is looking like it will be whole but they face because they lead from
:15:00. > :15:05.the first leg. Now, remember the crisis that hit
:15:06. > :15:08.British cycling not so long ago? It all started when Jess Varnish
:15:09. > :15:10.attacked the culture within It prompted the resignation of team
:15:11. > :15:16.principle Shane Sutton. Varnish - on the left here -
:15:17. > :15:20.is training in Australia. she is determined to win
:15:21. > :15:26.back her place on the team for Rio. She plans to meet new performance
:15:27. > :15:32.director Andy Harrison. She maintains that performance
:15:33. > :15:42.was not the reason she was dropped. Tyson Fury is in the headlines
:15:43. > :15:47.again. He has apologised for making inappropriate remarks, again.
:15:48. > :15:55.It comes after an almost hour-long video was posted online.
:15:56. > :16:01.He made offensive comment at the end of last day, remember. In a
:16:02. > :16:05.statement committee said, anyone who knows me personally knows that I am
:16:06. > :16:08.not a racist or a bigot and I hope the public accept his apology.
:16:09. > :16:10.You wonder why he continues to make those comments.
:16:11. > :16:13.The build up to the Olympics continues for Britain's swim team
:16:14. > :16:15.who won their first medal at the European
:16:16. > :16:16.Swimming Championships in London's Aquatics Centre.
:16:17. > :16:18.Hannah Miley claimed silver in the Women's
:16:19. > :16:27.She's already in the team for Rio, which was announced not long ago.
:16:28. > :16:32.That is all the sport for now. argument
:16:33. > :16:37.Thank you very much, John. Do you know when you're
:16:38. > :16:39.going overdrawn? Are you warned that you haven't
:16:40. > :16:42.arranged it properly with your bank? The bank regulator the Competition
:16:43. > :16:44.and Markets Authority have said this morning that the bank should warn
:16:45. > :16:47.you it's going to happen. They think this and other measures
:16:48. > :16:49.could save bank customers Financial commentator
:16:50. > :16:58.Louise Cooper is here. Good morning. So what have they
:16:59. > :17:02.actually said this morning? Well, this is provisional. This isn't
:17:03. > :17:07.happening yet. They get, we get the final decision in July, August time.
:17:08. > :17:11.What is interesting is a complete about turn from their previous
:17:12. > :17:16.findings in October. In October they said we will not, we don't think,
:17:17. > :17:22.cap overdraft charges. Now, they have said actually we will. We will
:17:23. > :17:26.cap overdraft charges for a monthly amount. So it is a big very versal
:17:27. > :17:33.from the competition and markets authority from the watchdog. And
:17:34. > :17:38.just shows how much money banks are making from unauthorised overdrafts.
:17:39. > :17:46.Over ?1 billion. ?1.2 billion a year. If you have an unauthorised
:17:47. > :17:51.overdraft, the watchdog reckons you could save ?153 on average per year
:17:52. > :17:55.which of course, over the years, we tend to bank with the same bank for
:17:56. > :17:59.many, many years, that adds up significantly. OK, so that's one
:18:00. > :18:02.thing they are recommending, the caps on the charges if we go
:18:03. > :18:06.overdrawn and we haven't arranged it properly. What else are they saying
:18:07. > :18:10.this morning about people who, as you mentioned, just stick with one
:18:11. > :18:14.bank for ever and ever and ever? Well, they are not breaking up the
:18:15. > :18:17.big four banks and they have said that for sometime. They are trying
:18:18. > :18:22.to make it easier for you to change your bank account and the numbers
:18:23. > :18:25.are quite startling actually. 60% of personal account customers have
:18:26. > :18:30.stayed with their bank for more than ten years. I would think that's, you
:18:31. > :18:33.know, that doesn't surprise me at all. So most people stick with their
:18:34. > :18:41.bank because they fear switching. Over the last couple of years we
:18:42. > :18:44.have had a service called CAST which is supposed to make it easier to
:18:45. > :18:50.change your bank and that's going to be improved. The onus then is still
:18:51. > :18:57.on us to do the work to find a better bank? If most of us bank with
:18:58. > :19:01.the big four then is there enough competition? Is there really much
:19:02. > :19:06.difference between the four? Well, the first licence to a new bank was
:19:07. > :19:10.issued in 2010, the first one for over 100 years, so we are getting
:19:11. > :19:14.challenger banks coming to the market so there is more competition.
:19:15. > :19:18.It is a lot of it is consumer apathy. Most of just can't be
:19:19. > :19:22.bothered. We prefer to spend time doing something else, however, with
:19:23. > :19:26.all things the inducement is saving some money. Now you may not save as
:19:27. > :19:29.much as say changing your energy supplier, I saved over ?1,000 from
:19:30. > :19:34.changing my energy supplier so deals can be done. But even ?150 or a
:19:35. > :19:39.couple of hundred quid a year, it does add up given that all of us, or
:19:40. > :19:42.most of us have a bank account for our entire lives. Thank you very
:19:43. > :19:48.much Louise. Thank you for coming on the programme. Louise Cooper.
:19:49. > :19:50.Binge drinking, overdosing on paracetamol and illegal drugs
:19:51. > :19:52.have all contributed to a rise in the number of children
:19:53. > :19:56.It's seen as a form of self-harm and the largest increases
:19:57. > :19:58.for deliberate poisonings were by teenage girls.
:19:59. > :20:01.We'll be talking with some people who used to self-poison in a few
:20:02. > :20:04.minutes, but first this is the story of 15-year-old Rose who made
:20:05. > :20:16.I think the first overdose I took was the biggest. I remember going
:20:17. > :20:21.downstairs and taking the whole packet with me. Being sick on the
:20:22. > :20:25.way to school and then obviously I got worried that I had been sick and
:20:26. > :20:31.so I told the teacher and the ambulance was called. It was my
:20:32. > :20:35.mum's birthday coming up, I thought the best birthday present I could
:20:36. > :20:39.could give her was for me not to be. I felt like a burden. That I would
:20:40. > :20:44.just go away and she would be happy. It gets in your mind and you fixate
:20:45. > :20:48.on it and you and then you do it and you come out and you think, "Why
:20:49. > :20:53.didn't it work?" It is a bit like an addiction. Some of the time I take
:20:54. > :20:59.it and I think I'm going to get liver damage after this and I will
:21:00. > :21:03.die. The other times it is just self-harming, I punish myself, if I
:21:04. > :21:07.die, I will die. I have got no self worth. I feel like I can talk more
:21:08. > :21:13.and I feel that helps when I was 12, I wouldn't be talking to you now. I
:21:14. > :21:19.was embarrassed of it. I still have little episodes but I know when I'm
:21:20. > :21:23.down it will come upment I hope that other people will learn that it is
:21:24. > :21:32.OK to talk about it. It is not something to be embarrassed or
:21:33. > :21:37.ashamed of. New research suggests nearly 1,000 children are a year are
:21:38. > :21:44.intentionally poisoning themselves. In a moment we will talk to Rachel
:21:45. > :21:48.Welch and with me in the studio is John Golding a psychiatrist and Josh
:21:49. > :21:52.Connolly is here who used to poison himself with alcohol. Hello, welcome
:21:53. > :21:59.both of you. Josh from the age of 12, you started drinking. Do you
:22:00. > :22:05.know why? I think probably the main two reasons were to escape really
:22:06. > :22:08.the way I felt in my mind and also for connection really, to help me to
:22:09. > :22:12.connect with the outside world really. Right. What was going on in
:22:13. > :22:17.your home life that made you want to escape? I'm the child of an
:22:18. > :22:23.alcoholic. My dad was an alcoholic and he died when I was around nine
:22:24. > :22:26.years old. Because of the stigma and things around alcoholism, it wasn't
:22:27. > :22:31.something I was ever really able to talk about. So just general
:22:32. > :22:36.emotions, positive and neglect tifr was something I had never really
:22:37. > :22:41.learnt to deal with. So you were suppressing them effectively? Yeah.
:22:42. > :22:44.Yeah, I suppressed a lot of my negative feelings and so my
:22:45. > :22:48.perception of the world was probably quite different to someone who was
:22:49. > :22:54.say sort of healthy minded and maybe had a more of a balanced home. So
:22:55. > :22:59.that kind of had a negative effect on me and where I had suppressed a
:23:00. > :23:07.lot of the stuff, it came out of me sort of si ways as I grew up. When
:23:08. > :23:10.you look back, do you think you are definitely and deliberately
:23:11. > :23:15.self-harming? I'm not sure it started off like that. In the
:23:16. > :23:20.beginning, drink just, you know, changed my life and made things a
:23:21. > :23:25.lot easier for me. And so I started to drink quite a lot and then
:23:26. > :23:30.obviously my life began to spiral slightly out of control and by my
:23:31. > :23:37.late teens I would say I was drinking in a self destructive way.
:23:38. > :23:42.How much? How much did I drink? Yes. By my late teens I was drinking, you
:23:43. > :23:47.know, it started off on a Saturday night and then it was Friday,
:23:48. > :23:51.Saturday, and then it was Friday through Thursday and I drank to
:23:52. > :23:54.blackout a lot so I moon I drank to the point of not being able to
:23:55. > :24:00.remember a single thing. What was your mum doing when this was going
:24:01. > :24:05.on? My mum was there and my mum was supportive, but I mean what we used
:24:06. > :24:09.to do when we were young, 13, 14 is I would say I was staying at a
:24:10. > :24:13.friend's house and we would often sort of sleep rough is what we used
:24:14. > :24:17.to call it and we would stay down the park drinking all night. You
:24:18. > :24:21.kind of, it was something I hid from my family really.
:24:22. > :24:25.John, why do you think there has been such a phenomenal rise in
:24:26. > :24:29.incidents of self-harm involving children over the years? I think it
:24:30. > :24:33.is a big question and obviously there are complex factors, it is
:24:34. > :24:37.quite hard to be a young person inned to's society. There are a lot
:24:38. > :24:40.of increased pressures with exam pressures, we were talking
:24:41. > :24:44.beforehand about social media, and young people having a kind of public
:24:45. > :24:47.persona on social media which might not reflect the reality of their
:24:48. > :24:50.lives, if they are in distress or unhappy, they don't put that out
:24:51. > :24:53.there on the social media, but they have the feelings nonetheless and
:24:54. > :24:56.they have to express those feelings in some way and sometimes that can
:24:57. > :25:04.be associated with self-harm. There is also... Sorry to interrupt, John,
:25:05. > :25:07.but why, you know, as a psychiatrist with young people then you will be
:25:08. > :25:11.able to get into their minds in a way that perhaps we can't, but why
:25:12. > :25:16.would self-harming help them if I can put it like that? Well,
:25:17. > :25:20.self-harm is a form of communication of distress and I think if you find
:25:21. > :25:23.it hard to communicate distress by verbalising and by talking to
:25:24. > :25:27.people, if you feel lonely and isolated and you don't have anyone
:25:28. > :25:31.that you can talk to, you might communicate that distress by
:25:32. > :25:33.self-harming. It is a kind of a way of dealing with unmanageable
:25:34. > :25:38.feelings and some people might feel better in the short-term when they
:25:39. > :25:40.self-harm, but in the long-term it doesn't help them and it is much
:25:41. > :25:45.better that they can find someone they can talk to and can listen to
:25:46. > :25:50.their distress. This rise in self poisoning, self-harm is the label
:25:51. > :25:55.for all sorts of very distressing things, but self poisoning which can
:25:56. > :25:59.be anything from drinking bleach for example to taking you know, over the
:26:00. > :26:02.counter medicine? Yes, I mean there are different forms of self-harm.
:26:03. > :26:08.Self poisoning is one form. Self cutting is another form. Injuring
:26:09. > :26:13.yourself in different ways and swallowing stuff that you shouldn't
:26:14. > :26:16.swallow. Self pouging does present to doctors to the Health Service
:26:17. > :26:19.because you need treatment to mitigate the effects of it, but self
:26:20. > :26:23.cutting is a more secretive form of self-harm. We think that one in ten
:26:24. > :26:31.young people self-harm at some point in their lives, but a lot of it is
:26:32. > :26:35.done in secret and people don't talk about it because there is a certain
:26:36. > :26:38.amount of stigma associated with it. Rachel, good morning, thank you very
:26:39. > :26:45.much for talking to us. You're welcome to the programme. Tell us
:26:46. > :26:50.about your team teens and early 20s when you self poisoned? I self
:26:51. > :26:55.poisoned through my teenage years. I had an eating disorder and I was
:26:56. > :26:59.self-harming. The way I used to self-harm was through self poisoning
:27:00. > :27:03.and it was through over the counter paracetamol, that kind of thing and
:27:04. > :27:06.for me, it was, I actually found it for of a hidden way of self-harming
:27:07. > :27:10.so you could take an overdose and nobody would know. If you didn't
:27:11. > :27:13.tell anybody and if you didn't get any help or present to A then
:27:14. > :27:18.nobody would know about it and it didn't leave a mark on my body
:27:19. > :27:23.either. Right But also it was, I found that on the times that I had
:27:24. > :27:27.cut myself or I had self harmed in another way, it was harder to ask
:27:28. > :27:31.for help and often people would ask to see your scars or they would
:27:32. > :27:34.judge you by how badly you had injured yourself, but when you self
:27:35. > :27:38.poisoned, it was easier to try and get some help because people, for
:27:39. > :27:41.some reason, people took you more seriously. And so I think certainly
:27:42. > :27:46.for some of the young people that are doing it now, it is a way of
:27:47. > :27:49.screaming louder if you like and a way of actually getting some help
:27:50. > :27:55.and support that otherwise may not be available. Right. So when you
:27:56. > :28:00.took tablets or whatever it was, did you get the help and support you
:28:01. > :28:05.were seeking? It was much easier to get help and support because if you
:28:06. > :28:08.went to A with a cut that didn't need stitches for example, there is
:28:09. > :28:12.not a lot that they would necessarily do with you, you would
:28:13. > :28:16.get sent home, but if you go to A having taken some tablets then
:28:17. > :28:20.actually you get some treatment and you do get heard and it sounds
:28:21. > :28:24.manipulative, it sounds a way of manipulating the system, if I take
:28:25. > :28:27.an overdose, someone is going to talk to me, someone is going to do
:28:28. > :28:29.something, but when you're struggling with self-harm, you are
:28:30. > :28:32.desperate to be heard and you are desperate for someone to reach you
:28:33. > :28:35.and try and understand what it is that you're going through and I
:28:36. > :28:38.think for a lot of people, it becomes a desperate measure and it
:28:39. > :28:43.is a way of just trying to get someone to listen to you.
:28:44. > :28:50.Still, incredibly dangerous however, isn't it? Oh, absolutely. Self
:28:51. > :28:54.poisoning is absolute Russian roulette with your life. The tiniest
:28:55. > :28:57.of overdose can do the most irvery remembersable damage to somebody's
:28:58. > :29:01.body and I think that's something that's actually being missed and
:29:02. > :29:03.there is a lot of young people struggling with self poisoning who
:29:04. > :29:06.are aware that it is a dangerous thing to do, but I don't think they
:29:07. > :29:10.are aware of how dangerous it is and if you go and present at A and if
:29:11. > :29:13.you get treatment within a couple of hours of taking an overdose, the
:29:14. > :29:16.damage can still be done and I think we're going to see more and more
:29:17. > :29:20.lives being lost to this unless we can try and reach these young people
:29:21. > :29:24.before they get that desperate. Can I ask both you Rachel and you Josh
:29:25. > :29:29.why you found it so difficult to express how you were feeling and
:29:30. > :29:34.that you chose this dangerous way of expressing how you were feeling,
:29:35. > :29:39.Rachel, fi ask you first? I think sometimes you experience things
:29:40. > :29:43.particularly as a young person that you don't have vocabulary for. There
:29:44. > :29:47.were times I felt things, but I didn't have language to back up what
:29:48. > :29:52.I was feeling. I couldn't say I was feeling, X, Y, Z and words like
:29:53. > :29:55.happy or sad or anxious didn't cut it, it didn't cover how it was that
:29:56. > :29:59.I was feeling. So for me, it was a way of trying to express something
:30:00. > :30:02.that I didn't have language for. That I didn't have the vocabulary
:30:03. > :30:05.for and sometimes you don't always have the opportunity to talk to
:30:06. > :30:09.somebody either in the way that you really need to and so it was a way
:30:10. > :30:13.of trying to create that kind of circumstances if you like in which I
:30:14. > :30:19.might be able to talk to somebody. Josh, what would you say? I think
:30:20. > :30:24.very much like what has just been said, but also, we sort of
:30:25. > :30:32.congratulate suppressing feelings really because when I wasn't talk
:30:33. > :30:35.talking about how I was feeling, I was told I was very strong for
:30:36. > :30:39.pulling my socks up and getting on with life. Whereas, so it was very,
:30:40. > :30:41.very difficult to talk especially when we are talking about alcoholism
:30:42. > :30:45.and things like that when there is stigma in society. We learnt at
:30:46. > :30:48.school that people who drink too much and do drugs are bad people. It
:30:49. > :30:53.is something that was very, very difficult for me to talk about. And
:30:54. > :30:57.seen as weak to express that I was struggling with life. And you know,
:30:58. > :31:01.for me as a young sort of 13-year-old lad, the last thing I
:31:02. > :31:04.wanted to be seen as was weak. So I think we could sort of congratulate
:31:05. > :31:09.people a lot more when they find the courage to speak up so we can be
:31:10. > :31:13.encouraged, people can be encouraged themselves to speak up about how
:31:14. > :31:16.they are feeling and feel like they will be congratulated for being
:31:17. > :31:20.strong in expressing their wackness. That's a really good point. Thank
:31:21. > :31:22.you very much Josh and John and Rachel. Thank you so much for your
:31:23. > :31:26.time. Thank you for coming on the programme.
:31:27. > :31:30.If you've been affected by any of the issues raised in our film
:31:31. > :31:34.and are looking for further help, support or information on mental
:31:35. > :31:38.health then please call the BBC Action Line on 08000 564 756 or head
:31:39. > :31:54.Still to come, if you're a woman and under the age of 25 you're six
:31:55. > :31:57.times more likely than other women to be sacked from your job after
:31:58. > :32:08.Really keen to hear your stories this morning - have
:32:09. > :32:16.you faced discrimination after revealing you're pregnant?
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:32:20. > :32:22.And no more recipes on the BBC website.
:32:23. > :32:24.Critics have called it an "abomination" which will make it
:32:25. > :32:26.harder for those on low incomes to find decent recipes.
:32:27. > :32:29.Tell us if you think it is right that there will be no more recipes
:32:30. > :32:34.on the BBC website in the future. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom
:32:35. > :32:38.with a summary of today's news. Banks should be required to cap
:32:39. > :32:40.the amount they charge customers That's the recommendation
:32:41. > :32:44.from the Competition It's proposing a maximum
:32:45. > :32:47.monthly charge as part of a solution to tackle problems
:32:48. > :32:50.with current accounts. In 2014, banks made ?1.2 billion
:32:51. > :32:57.from those penalty fees. Police have voiced concerns that
:32:58. > :32:59.unarmed officers could be "sitting ducks" in the event of a gun
:33:00. > :33:04.attack by terrorists. The main police union,
:33:05. > :33:06.the Police Federation, says that in spite of plans
:33:07. > :33:10.to increase the number of firearms staff, officers at strategic sites
:33:11. > :33:14.such as oil refineries and nuclear power stations in rural
:33:15. > :33:19.and coastal areas of England Following events in Paris
:33:20. > :33:24.and Brussels, they are concerned. They do feel vulnerable,
:33:25. > :33:26.that they will be sitting ducks in the event of a terrorist
:33:27. > :33:29.atrocity in this country. Out campaigner Nigel Farage says
:33:30. > :33:39.he'll fight for a second referendum on the UK staying
:33:40. > :33:41.in the European Union He says a scenario like
:33:42. > :33:45.52% to 48% would mean that the UK's place in Europe
:33:46. > :33:47.remains 'unfinished business'. This has led to questions
:33:48. > :33:50.about whether or not he feels the Leave side could
:33:51. > :33:52.actually come out on top. But this morning he was
:33:53. > :33:55.maintaining his optimism. I think we are going to win
:33:56. > :33:57.this referendum. Because there is far more passion
:33:58. > :34:05.on the Leave side of the argument, Leave voters are much more likely
:34:06. > :34:09.on 23rd June to go down to the local primary school and vote,
:34:10. > :34:12.so I think we are going to win. If we were to lose, narrowly,
:34:13. > :34:15.which I don't think we will, if we were then what I can see
:34:16. > :34:18.is a large section, particularly in the Conservative Party,
:34:19. > :34:21.who feel the Prime Minister is not playing fair,
:34:22. > :34:26.that the Remain side are using far more money than the Leave
:34:27. > :34:28.side, and there would be a resentment that would build up
:34:29. > :34:31.if that was to be the result. Having said that, I still think
:34:32. > :34:34.Leave is going to win. Nurses could be used to help cover
:34:35. > :34:39.growing gaps in junior doctor rotas, as part of proposals from the health
:34:40. > :34:42.think-tank The Nuffield Trust. It's calling on nursing and support
:34:43. > :34:45.staff across the UK to be given new skills in order to help relieve
:34:46. > :34:47.pressure on the NHS. The Patients Association has
:34:48. > :34:50.warned against 'quick fix' solutions to the health
:34:51. > :34:52.service's staffing problems. 20 foreign ministers -
:34:53. > :34:54.including US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian
:34:55. > :34:58.counterpart Sergei Lavrov - are meeting in Vienna to discuss
:34:59. > :35:00.ways of strengthening It's been undermined
:35:01. > :35:09.by more fighting. Several powerful explosions have
:35:10. > :35:11.been detected in a gas field held The Syrian Observatory
:35:12. > :35:14.for Human Rights says its thought IS has destroyed gas pumping
:35:15. > :35:17.stations to prevent them falling The BBC Food website,
:35:18. > :35:25.which has more than 11,000 recipes, It's part of a BBC review
:35:26. > :35:28.of its online output. It says it needs to scale down
:35:29. > :35:31.or close some services, The BBC says it can't be 'all things
:35:32. > :35:48.to all people.' Breaking news on inflation, we are
:35:49. > :35:52.hearing that it has slipped for the first time since last November. It
:35:53. > :35:54.fell to 0.3% last month down from 0.5% in March.
:35:55. > :35:57.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.
:35:58. > :35:59.Now, John's back with the sports headlines.
:36:00. > :36:08.Yes, many thanks. We will. With football, all eyes on Marcus
:36:09. > :36:12.Rushford, who will be featuring we expect for Manchester United against
:36:13. > :36:18.Bournemouth, the match rescheduled after it was abandoned on Saturday.
:36:19. > :36:21.He was named in Roy Hodgson's provisional 26 man squad ahead of
:36:22. > :36:24.the European Championships. He has never made his full international
:36:25. > :36:27.debut for a good, we are expecting to be jetting one of the upcoming
:36:28. > :36:31.friendly matches. We will see whether he will but his place on the
:36:32. > :36:33.plane for the European Championships as well.
:36:34. > :36:41.Sheffield Wednesday but their place in the play-off championship final,
:36:42. > :36:45.beating Brighton 3-1 on aggregate. They already led 2-0 from the first
:36:46. > :36:48.leg so they will contest a place in the championship play-off final,
:36:49. > :36:53.waiting to see whether they will face Hull or Derby, who play later.
:36:54. > :36:57.Jess varnish has bowed to return to the GB cycling team. She was dropped
:36:58. > :37:01.after being told her times were not good enough. This is her on the
:37:02. > :37:05.left. It led to the departure of Shane Sutton after she claimed she
:37:06. > :37:13.was told to go away and have a baby. She has released a statement saying
:37:14. > :37:15.she will return to the team. And Hannah Miley as well claimed
:37:16. > :37:18.silver in the women's 400 metres individual medley last night. She
:37:19. > :37:22.has already booked her place on the British swim team for the real
:37:23. > :37:26.games. A good start for her, claiming a silver medal. Plenty more
:37:27. > :37:31.events to come in the pool for London later on tonight.
:37:32. > :37:37.That is all the sport for now, more later on.
:37:38. > :37:39.Ukip leader Nigel Farage says he'll campaign
:37:40. > :37:41.for a second EU referendum if the margin is very
:37:42. > :37:47.Our political guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.
:37:48. > :37:53.So even if he loses, even if Britain doesn't vote to leave the EU, he
:37:54. > :38:03.will carry on? It may not be over. I don't know if
:38:04. > :38:06.folk have heard of the word neverendum, but it is used to
:38:07. > :38:09.describe when you have one referendum that prompt another, and
:38:10. > :38:13.then another, and that is what we could face at least according to
:38:14. > :38:20.Nigel Farage, who is suggesting that if the result of this referendum is
:38:21. > :38:24.close, something like 52-48, a lot of people will be very, very unhappy
:38:25. > :38:27.and claim that the boat has been rigged because the Government has
:38:28. > :38:33.pretty much thrown everything at it. He points to this leaflet they put
:38:34. > :38:37.out costing ?9 million, and the sense that the Government have
:38:38. > :38:41.thrown absolutely everything at this referendum and it has not been a
:38:42. > :38:45.fair fight, and he said it will prompt demands for a second
:38:46. > :38:50.referendum. More than that, he said if that happens David Cameron could
:38:51. > :38:54.be outed as Tory leader, and you could have someone like Boris
:38:55. > :38:58.Johnson replacing, which could create huge pressure for a second
:38:59. > :39:02.vote on an EU referendum. Mr Cameron has been clear on this when he has
:39:03. > :39:06.spoken about it, he pretty much said this visit, a once in a generation
:39:07. > :39:10.vote. Have a listen to him in the Commons the day.
:39:11. > :39:16.The Government's position will be to recommend that Britain remains in a
:39:17. > :39:22.reformed European Union. Mr Speaker, this is a vital decision for the
:39:23. > :39:25.future of our country and I believe we should also be clear that it is a
:39:26. > :39:32.final decision. A final decision. But think of the
:39:33. > :39:37.Scottish independence referendum just a couple of years ago. Within
:39:38. > :39:42.months of it being over, and one quite comfortably by Mr Cameron, we
:39:43. > :39:49.know there have been renewed demands for yet another referendum, even
:39:50. > :39:52.though leading figures, take Alex Salmond, who was then the Scottish
:39:53. > :39:56.First Minister, when he was challenged on the Andrew Marr
:39:57. > :40:00.programme he openly conceded that the referendum was meant to be a
:40:01. > :40:06.once in a generation vote. Have a listen.
:40:07. > :40:10.If it is a no vote by a whisker, is that it, do you come back for
:40:11. > :40:14.another referendum in a few years' time? You have talked in the past of
:40:15. > :40:20.it being for a generation, is that your view? Yes, by which I mean if
:40:21. > :40:24.you remember the previous constitutional referendum in
:40:25. > :40:28.Scotland in 1979, the next one was 1997, that is what I mean by a
:40:29. > :40:34.political generation. In my opinion, it is just my opinion, this is a
:40:35. > :40:37.once in a generation opportunity. We all know the current Scottish
:40:38. > :40:42.First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has been pretty clear that if we vote to
:40:43. > :40:46.leave the EU then she will demand a second Scottish referendum. In other
:40:47. > :40:56.words there would be a second vote within five years or so of the last
:40:57. > :40:58.vote. The thing is, we have seen Alves where in the world, when you
:40:59. > :41:01.have a referendum it often does not settle the matter. Think of Canada,
:41:02. > :41:05.where they have had two referendums so far on the idea of Quebec being
:41:06. > :41:13.independent, they had one back in 1980, which the Remain camp, if we
:41:14. > :41:18.want to call it that, one pretty easily, and in 1995 they had another
:41:19. > :41:24.which was an absolute knife edge referendum, the Remain campaign
:41:25. > :41:28.winning 51 to 49, and there is still pressure for another vote, a third
:41:29. > :41:33.vote. The real danger is how far, once you allow a referendum, you
:41:34. > :41:38.simply open up a Pandora's box which is is impossible to close and you
:41:39. > :41:41.just get renewed demands for yet more and more referendums. There are
:41:42. > :41:46.fears that could be what we are facing here.
:41:47. > :42:06.Thank you very much, Norman. Some e-mails on recipes on the BBC
:42:07. > :42:09.website. Carroll says, come on, how could
:42:10. > :42:11.you?! You give us a platter of cookery programmes, then we print of
:42:12. > :42:14.recipes that appeal to us. Not everyone can afford to go and buy
:42:15. > :42:16.the books, please keep the recipes. Peter says, I cannot believe the
:42:17. > :42:19.recipes are being stopped, how much is it going to save? I have used the
:42:20. > :42:22.website for years, so has my husband and daughter, what are we paying the
:42:23. > :42:24.license fee for? All the good things are going!
:42:25. > :42:27.They will still be on the website, they will just not add any more new
:42:28. > :42:29.recipes and it will just be slightly harder to find them because they
:42:30. > :42:32.will not be linked or optimised, so they will fall away from searches,
:42:33. > :42:39.but they will still be there. Coming up, how can a song about
:42:40. > :42:43.ethnic cleansing by former Soviet leader Josef Stalin Windy Eurovision
:42:44. > :42:47.Song Contest? Ukrainian winner Jamala will tell others in her first
:42:48. > :42:51.British interview in ten minutes. And should police officers be forced
:42:52. > :42:52.out of retirement to face misconduct proceedings and even lose their
:42:53. > :42:57.pension? After the conclusion
:42:58. > :42:59.of the Hillsborough inquests, Shadow Home Secretary,
:43:00. > :43:01.Labour's Andy Burnham says it is unacceptable that police can
:43:02. > :43:05.retire to avoid punishment and if he has his way the loophole
:43:06. > :43:08.will be closed. Mr Burnham will address
:43:09. > :43:10.the Police Federation's annual conference later today and tell them
:43:11. > :43:13.they've lost the public's trust Steve White is chair
:43:14. > :43:16.of the Police Federation of England Steve Kelly feels
:43:17. > :43:19.police do need to work He lost his brother
:43:20. > :43:28.in the Hillsborough tragedy. Lastly, solicitor Elkan Abrahamson
:43:29. > :43:31.is here with me in studio. He represented 20 of
:43:32. > :43:33.the Hillsborough families and thinks there are systemic issues
:43:34. > :43:43.of accountability within You are all here because you have
:43:44. > :43:47.slightly different views on what should happen, but let me ask you
:43:48. > :43:51.first, Steve White, is the Shadow Home Secretary going to be welcome
:43:52. > :43:55.at your conference today? Of course he is going to be welcomed, we are
:43:56. > :43:58.happy to listen to the Home Secretary, happy to listen to the
:43:59. > :44:02.Shadow Home Secretary to hear what he has got to say, but I think he is
:44:03. > :44:06.misguided in some of the things he may say. We will have to wait and
:44:07. > :44:17.see what comes out of conference later today,
:44:18. > :44:21.but one of the things that certainly I should be saying is that you
:44:22. > :44:23.cannot judge the rank and file and members I represent, the 122,000
:44:24. > :44:26.hard-working cops up and down the country today by the mistakes of a
:44:27. > :44:28.few senior officers 27 years ago. Hillsborough was an awful, awful
:44:29. > :44:33.tragedy, and we will be recognising that today, but we have got to move
:44:34. > :44:36.on. We have got to look at policing issues of today, make sure at
:44:37. > :44:40.accountability is right, and I think we have moved very far in the right
:44:41. > :44:45.direction around that, but I think some of his comments are misguided.
:44:46. > :44:50.Steve Kelly, Steve White says we have got to move on? I think the
:44:51. > :44:53.police have got to move on, certainly, but the issue of
:44:54. > :45:00.accountability has got to be addressed. It has not been addressed
:45:01. > :45:01.for 27 years within some of the policemen that have been on duty
:45:02. > :45:12.that day and we are looking, as Hillsborough families and survivors,
:45:13. > :45:13.at the senior ranks, not the junior ranks. We have spoken many times
:45:14. > :45:13.about this, it came ranks. We have spoken many times
:45:14. > :45:17.The event of Hillsborough, the planning was wrong, there was not a
:45:18. > :45:27.contingency plan, and after the event it was the senior ranks who
:45:28. > :45:27.closed ranks and covered up Hillsborough. It is them who need to
:45:28. > :45:31.be made accountable. As Andy Burnham is going to speak today, if their
:45:32. > :45:36.pensions, etc, are at risk, then it is their own doing. I look forward
:45:37. > :45:40.today to listening to some of the issues that will come out of today's
:45:41. > :45:44.meeting. I'm not sure their pensions are at risk. Steve White, it is one
:45:45. > :45:48.of the things Andy Burnham is campaigning on, he wants effectively
:45:49. > :45:51.what could be known as a Hillsborough clause in the policing
:45:52. > :45:54.and crime Bill to end what he calls the scandal of retirement as an
:45:55. > :46:02.escape route and of wrongdoers claiming their full pension.
:46:03. > :46:08.We have got to determine what misconduct is about in term of
:46:09. > :46:12.holding police officers to account. This suspect about criminal issues.
:46:13. > :46:18.Criminal issues maybe outstanding and that has no time limit on it,
:46:19. > :46:22.but when we are talking about misconduct the ultimate answer is to
:46:23. > :46:25.get rid of that officer from the service and the Police Federation is
:46:26. > :46:28.supportive. There needs to be a time limit of a couple of years to make
:46:29. > :46:34.sure if officers have retired and they still need to face misconduct,
:46:35. > :46:37.two years is plenty of time, in order to bring them back to the
:46:38. > :46:41.service and to deal with them. Are they going to say? We are going to
:46:42. > :46:52.dispense with your services as a police officer? Well, they have
:46:53. > :46:55.already retired. They have already retired in order to escape
:46:56. > :47:00.misconduct proceedings? That isn't the case. We have overhauled the
:47:01. > :47:03.misconduct regulations to ensure police officers can't retire to
:47:04. > :47:07.escape it. That's been addressed. What we are talking about here is an
:47:08. > :47:11.incredibly difficult and emotive issue and my word of caution would
:47:12. > :47:14.be this, hard cases such as Hillsborough don't necessarily make
:47:15. > :47:18.good legislation and good guidance and we need to make sure we do
:47:19. > :47:25.what's right for the Police Service and for the public of today.
:47:26. > :47:29.The Hillsborough case does not necessarily make for good
:47:30. > :47:33.legislation? The suggestion it was 27 years ago, and we should move on,
:47:34. > :47:38.would be right if the officers 27 years ago had admitted their fault,
:47:39. > :47:43.but they haven't. They have continued to propagate a lie for 27
:47:44. > :47:48.years until they no longer could get away it with it of the ethos that
:47:49. > :47:52.was there in the force 27 years ago is still there and that's the real
:47:53. > :47:56.problem. It is also right to say we shouldn't be blaming junior
:47:57. > :47:59.officers. The fault was with the senior officers at Hillsborough,
:48:00. > :48:03.that's not to say that junior officers are always entirely
:48:04. > :48:07.blameless, when we look at an ethos within an organisation, it usually
:48:08. > :48:13.comes from the top and it is the top we should be looking at. We
:48:14. > :48:17.shouldn't be looking to blame junior officers. Retirement is a more
:48:18. > :48:20.complex issue because it brings in employment law, pensions are made up
:48:21. > :48:24.partly of contributions by an employee from his salary. Now, you
:48:25. > :48:28.can argue if someone who has been paid to do a job for 30 years has
:48:29. > :48:32.been doing that job corruptly for the last 30 years, well they
:48:33. > :48:36.shouldn't have been paid, and they should pay back their salary and
:48:37. > :48:41.pension, but that's an argument that takes us outside the police force.
:48:42. > :48:43.Banks are trying to recover salaries. Or politicians or
:48:44. > :48:47.journalists or lawyers, where do you journalists or lawyers, wheredo you
:48:48. > :48:56.do you stop? That's a much more difficult issue. OK. Steve White in
:48:57. > :49:00.terms of this idea of wrong-doers claiming their full pension, what do
:49:01. > :49:08.you say on that specifically? Well k we already have regulations in place
:49:09. > :49:13.for the for fitture of pensions -- forfeiture of pensions. How does an
:49:14. > :49:17.officer forfeit their pension? How often has that happened? Well, the
:49:18. > :49:21.regulations, the misconduct regulations are there and they are
:49:22. > :49:24.there to be used, I can't give you an exact figure, but officers had to
:49:25. > :49:27.forfeit their pensions and that's why we have got them. However, you
:49:28. > :49:31.know, we are talking about the Police Service of today. Which is a
:49:32. > :49:35.complete different service of the police service of 27 years ago. We
:49:36. > :49:39.have got it make sure we get this right and a knee-jerk reaction using
:49:40. > :49:44.Hillsborough as an example could be misguide. We are on the side of
:49:45. > :49:48.making sure that police officers are properly held to account, but we
:49:49. > :49:52.don't feel this is the way to do it. You said a couple of times 27 years
:49:53. > :49:56.ago, which indeed it was, the inquests have been over the past two
:49:57. > :50:01.years when the police and their representatives continued the
:50:02. > :50:07.defence of 27 years ago. Well, that's a matter for them and as I've
:50:08. > :50:10.said, we're not interested in officers not facing the appropriate
:50:11. > :50:14.sanctions and of course, we are still waiting to see, if the Crown
:50:15. > :50:17.Prosecution Service is going to bring prosecutions, but to say, that
:50:18. > :50:20.what happened 27 years ago and because some officers in some
:50:21. > :50:26.people's views might get away with their pensions is not the reason to
:50:27. > :50:28.change the legislation, the misconducts for current officers
:50:29. > :50:33.serving today, we don't feel. There is other ways to ensure that police
:50:34. > :50:37.officers can be returned to their forces within a time scale, to make
:50:38. > :50:40.sure that the misconduct issues, it is a nonsense that we have had to
:50:41. > :50:44.wait 27 years to get the verdicts that we have had. I think everybody
:50:45. > :50:47.agrees with that. We have got to make sure we have got accountability
:50:48. > :50:50.in the Police Service that works quickly so that if focuses on the
:50:51. > :50:55.needs of the victims. It focuses on the needs of the officers and in the
:50:56. > :51:01.interests of the public. Steve Kelly, a final thought, what
:51:02. > :51:07.could the police do to rebuild trust for you, as someone who lost their
:51:08. > :51:11.brother at Hillsborough? What the police need to realise that truth
:51:12. > :51:18.and justice have no sell-by date. If anybody is proved to have done wrong
:51:19. > :51:21.that day, and is appropriately punished in the future well then
:51:22. > :51:28.they should face the severest sanctions be it 27 years on or 27
:51:29. > :51:34.weeks on. As I say, truth and justice have no sell-by date. The
:51:35. > :51:38.police need to honour that. Thank you for coming on the
:51:39. > :51:40.programme. Thank you very much for your time
:51:41. > :51:44.this morning. Thank you. Coming up, how soon a reality
:51:45. > :51:46.could driverless cars be? The Government is expected
:51:47. > :51:49.to announce plans tomorrow to make it easier for us all to be able
:51:50. > :51:52.to get insurance to drive them. We'll talk to people who've already
:51:53. > :52:04.taken them for a spin. We're going to talk now
:52:05. > :52:06.to the winner of this This was her performing on Saturday
:52:07. > :52:35.night. It was a nailbiting moment with the
:52:36. > :52:44.public vote making all the difference. This is the moment it
:52:45. > :52:52.was announced. 361 points... APPLAUSE
:52:53. > :52:56.Which is not muff for Ukraine and we have a winner of the Eurovision Song
:52:57. > :52:58.Contest. The lyrics in her winning song have
:52:59. > :53:00.been criticised by some Some thought it was
:53:01. > :53:03.an attack on Russia after she sang about her family,
:53:04. > :53:06.part of the Crimean Tartar community being deported under
:53:07. > :53:11.Joseph Stalin in 1944. Russia might even boycott
:53:12. > :53:13.the contest next year when it Let's talk to her live from Kiev
:53:14. > :53:20.in her first British interview since winning
:53:21. > :53:27.Saturday night's contest. Trawl, congratulations on your
:53:28. > :53:32.victory, Jamala. How did you feel when you knew you had won? Thank you
:53:33. > :53:37.very much. Really, it is a big, I don't know, it is a big pleasure for
:53:38. > :53:42.me to speak with you and first of all, thank you for ten points from
:53:43. > :53:48.the United Kingdom actually! When you heard that you had won, how
:53:49. > :53:57.did you feel? Oh, I was so happy. It's really a
:53:58. > :54:02.new step in my musical career. Of course I was so happy. I'm happy
:54:03. > :54:07.now. Of course. Of course. Is your song political?
:54:08. > :54:16.I don't think so. I said about this a lot of times that I don't have any
:54:17. > :54:21.political statement in my song and you know that if you answered about
:54:22. > :54:27.this and they responded well about that they don't have questions to my
:54:28. > :54:41.song. I mean, no political statement in my lyrics or music. What message
:54:42. > :54:47.did you want to get across then? You know, I think that my song really
:54:48. > :54:55.touched Europe because it's so important now a days. I sing about
:54:56. > :55:02.the roots. Where I came from and now, it is a very common thing to
:55:03. > :55:10.discuss. You know, I sing about my pain. I sing about all Crimean
:55:11. > :55:15.Tartars pain, but now we have a lot of pain in this world. That's why I
:55:16. > :55:26.think European people understand me quite well. Yes. I sing about my
:55:27. > :55:42.great-grandmother and all Crimean Tartars, but at the same time I sing
:55:43. > :55:46.about people who really suffered in the wars and different tragedies now
:55:47. > :55:52.a days and in the past. I understand. Now, you will have heard
:55:53. > :55:58.that Russia might boycott Eurovision next year when it is in Ukraine.
:55:59. > :56:05.What do you say about that? I don't know. What can I say? If they want
:56:06. > :56:11.to boycott the Eurovision next year, it is their choice. What can I say?
:56:12. > :56:25.It wasn't about Russia. It was about pain. It was about really this
:56:26. > :56:38.tragedy which happened in 1944. It is like, it just released my soul
:56:39. > :56:45.and released this theme which were so hidden during all these years.
:56:46. > :56:50.Yes, Jamala thank you thank you very much for talking to us and
:56:51. > :56:58.congratulations again. Thank you. Jamala talking to us live from Kiev.
:56:59. > :57:02.Have you decided how you're going to vote in the EU referendum?
:57:03. > :57:07.Well, you are very welcome to take part in one of our big TV audience
:57:08. > :57:19.we're live in Glasgow on the 26th May with an audience of under 30s.
:57:20. > :57:23.If that's you and can get to Glasgow from wherever you are in the UK do
:57:24. > :57:25.email victoria@bbc.co.uk to have your chance to quiz senior
:57:26. > :57:30.politicians from the leave and remain campaigns.
:57:31. > :57:32.The debate will be broadcast live on BBC One at 8pm.
:57:33. > :57:35.And on the 6th June we're in Manchester for another debate
:57:36. > :57:39.It's open to everyone will take place in our normal airtime
:57:40. > :57:55.We talked about the number of children self-harming.
:57:56. > :57:59.Tweet from Carmen, "I was doing this over 20 years ago as a 14-year-old
:58:00. > :58:01.and I'm still doing this and other forms of self harm."
:58:02. > :58:10."If drinking alcohol is self-harm then we all self-harm
:58:11. > :58:12.or self-medicate." Tweet from Politikat, "I used
:58:13. > :58:14.to self-poison through my teens and early 20s, usually by taking
:58:15. > :58:17.frequent small overdoses of over the counter medicines." Tweet
:58:18. > :58:18.from Aisha, "Well done in highlighting rise
:58:19. > :58:24.I hope everyone affected can get the help they need."
:58:25. > :58:29.If you want help then contact the BBC Actionline. Go to the BBC
:58:30. > :58:39.website. Carol has the weather. This morning
:58:40. > :58:45.has been a beautiful start to the day. That was north qork shire. This
:58:46. > :58:49.is of Northamptonshire. Beautiful blue skies and for Milton Keynes
:58:50. > :58:55.too, a lovely tRangle start to the day. -- tranquil start to the day.
:58:56. > :58:59.There is some cloud around particularly so in the north and the
:59:00. > :59:02.west and some of that has been producing rain and showers, but you
:59:03. > :59:05.can see where we have got the sunshine still. As we go through the
:59:06. > :59:09.course of the day, more rain is going to arrive across parts of the
:59:10. > :59:13.west. So you can see where the rain coming in across Northern Ireland,
:59:14. > :59:17.moving across western and Northern Scotland, but ahead of that for
:59:18. > :59:22.central and eastern areas, well although some fair-weather cloud
:59:23. > :59:26.will develop, it will be essentially sunny. For parts of Wales and the
:59:27. > :59:30.south-west, the cloud continuing to build and here too, we will see
:59:31. > :59:33.spots of rain, albeit patchy. The cloud building over towards
:59:34. > :59:37.Hampshire. Move east of that, and we are back into the sunshine and the
:59:38. > :59:40.warmth. With light winds it will feel pleasant. We could hit 20
:59:41. > :59:46.Celsius across parts of the south-east. East Anglia and into
:59:47. > :59:51.northern England, a similar story. Hazy sunshine and Eastern Scotland
:59:52. > :59:53.faring nicely too. We could hit 17 Celsius in parts of Aberdeenshire.
:59:54. > :59:56.For Western Scotland and Northern Ireland, we have got the rain. A gap
:59:57. > :59:59.and then there will be more rain coming your way if you are in
:00:00. > :00:03.Northern Ireland and it is the north-east of Wales seeing the
:00:04. > :00:07.brightest skies. The south-west will have patchy rain as indeed will
:00:08. > :00:12.parts of south-west England sh but again, it is patchy and not all of
:00:13. > :00:16.us seeing it. The pollen levels are high across central and eastern
:00:17. > :00:21.parts of the UK. If you have an alrgey to tree pollen in particular
:00:22. > :00:24.bear that in mind. There will be some clear skies, but as our first
:00:25. > :00:29.ban of rain advances so will the cloud. Then we have got this heavier
:00:30. > :00:32.band of rain coming across Scotland, north-west England, Wales and the
:00:33. > :00:36.Midlands and south-west England and in the south-west you could hear the
:00:37. > :00:40.odd rumble of thunder. A warmer night than we have seen for a few
:00:41. > :00:44.nights. Tomorrow, well, there goes that rain. Again heading towards the
:00:45. > :00:48.South East. It will tend to turn more showery in nature, but the
:00:49. > :00:53.showers through the afternoon could be torrential. We could see a lot of
:00:54. > :00:56.rain in a small amount of time and also with hail and thunder, but not
:00:57. > :01:01.all of us will because they are showers. Out towards the west, well
:01:02. > :01:05.things brighten up and we will see sunshine and after a relatively dry
:01:06. > :01:09.start across central and eastern parts of England, it will cloud over
:01:10. > :01:15.from the west as the rain piles in initially across Northern Ireland
:01:16. > :01:17.and Scotland fringing down into England and the south-west and
:01:18. > :01:20.feeling nippy in the north-east. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, good
:01:21. > :01:24.morning - we're live until 11am. He went missing six years ago
:01:25. > :01:27.from his home in Kent, and is one of thousands of people
:01:28. > :01:33.who disappear each year. We'll bring you an update
:01:34. > :01:35.on 31-year-old Matthew Green, whose story we brought you before
:01:36. > :01:37.Christmas. Don't leave it too late
:01:38. > :01:50.on Sunday, getting back." Driverless cars could be on British
:01:51. > :01:53.roads in the next four years but how Could the Government be
:01:54. > :01:58.about to announce that owners And women under 25 are six-times
:01:59. > :02:16.more likely to be discriminated against when they're
:02:17. > :02:18.pregnant, says the equality Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom
:02:19. > :02:23.with a summary of today's news. Banks should be required to cap
:02:24. > :02:26.the amount they charge customers That's the recommendation
:02:27. > :02:28.from the Competition It's proposing a maximum
:02:29. > :02:31.monthly charge as part of a solution to tackle problems
:02:32. > :02:33.with current accounts. In 2014, banks made ?1.2 billion
:02:34. > :02:38.from those penalty fees. Inflation fell in April for
:02:39. > :02:43.the first time since last September. The rate of Consumer Price Index
:02:44. > :02:46.inflation fell to 0.3% last month, It has been put down to a fall in
:02:47. > :03:01.airfares and lower clothing prices. Police have voiced concerns that
:03:02. > :03:03.unarmed officers could be "sitting ducks" in the event of a gun
:03:04. > :03:06.attack by terrorists. The main police union says that
:03:07. > :03:08.in spite of plans to increase the number of firearms staff,
:03:09. > :03:11.officers at strategic sites such as oil refineries and nuclear power
:03:12. > :03:14.stations in rural and coastal areas Following events in Paris
:03:15. > :03:20.and Brussels, they are concerned. They do feel vulnerable,
:03:21. > :03:23.that they will be sitting ducks in the event of a terrorist
:03:24. > :03:25.atrocity in this country. The campaigner Nigel Farage says
:03:26. > :03:35.he'll fight for a second referendum on the UK staying
:03:36. > :03:37.in the European Union He says a scenario like 52% to 48%
:03:38. > :03:43.would mean that the UK's place in Europe remains
:03:44. > :03:46.'unfinished business'. This has led to questions
:03:47. > :03:48.about whether or not he feels the Leave side could actually come
:03:49. > :03:50.out on top. But this morning he was
:03:51. > :03:53.maintaining his optimism. I think we are going to win
:03:54. > :03:55.this referendum. Because there is far more passion
:03:56. > :03:59.on the Leave side of the argument, Leave voters are much more likely
:04:00. > :04:02.on 23rd June to go down to the local primary school and vote,
:04:03. > :04:05.so I think we are going to win. If we were to lose, narrowly,
:04:06. > :04:09.which I don't believe we will, if we were then what I can see
:04:10. > :04:12.is a large section, particularly in the Conservative Party,
:04:13. > :04:17.who feel the Prime Minister is not playing fair,
:04:18. > :04:21.that the Remain side are using far more money than the Leave side,
:04:22. > :04:24.and there would be a resentment that would build up
:04:25. > :04:26.if that was to be the result. Having said that, I still think
:04:27. > :04:36.Leave is going to win. Nurses and paramedics could be used
:04:37. > :04:40.to help cover growing gaps as part of proposals from the health
:04:41. > :04:44.think-tank The Nuffield Trust. It's calling on nursing and support
:04:45. > :04:47.staff across the UK to be given new skills in order to help relieve
:04:48. > :04:50.pressure on the NHS. The Patients Association has
:04:51. > :04:52.warned against 'quick fix' solutions to the health
:04:53. > :04:54.service's staffing problems. 20 foreign ministers -
:04:55. > :04:55.including US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian
:04:56. > :04:58.counterpart Sergei Lavrov - are meeting in Vienna to discuss
:04:59. > :05:00.ways of strengthening It's been undermined
:05:01. > :05:05.by more fighting. Several powerful explosions have
:05:06. > :05:07.been detected in a gas field held The Syrian Observatory
:05:08. > :05:15.for Human Rights says its thought IS has destroyed gas pumping
:05:16. > :05:19.stations to prevent them falling Two men have been arrested
:05:20. > :05:23.on suspicion of funding terrorism. They're both aged 24
:05:24. > :05:25.and were detained by detectives from the Metropolitan Police
:05:26. > :05:27.Service's Counter Terrorism Command. They were arrested at separate
:05:28. > :05:31.residential addresses and are currently in custody
:05:32. > :05:33.at south London police stations. The BBC Food website,
:05:34. > :05:35.which has more than 11,000 recipes, It's part of a BBC review
:05:36. > :05:42.of its online output. It says it needs to scale down
:05:43. > :05:54.or close some services, Critics say it is a vital tool for
:05:55. > :05:55.people on low incomes, with one chef describing the removal of the
:05:56. > :06:00.recipes as an abomination. That's a summary of the latest BBC
:06:01. > :06:08.News - more at 10.30am. Lots of have been contacting us
:06:09. > :06:11.about the BBC's decision to stop Anne emailed us to say
:06:12. > :06:14.it is "disgraceful, Pauline says she is a great
:06:15. > :06:18.supporter of the availability and free access to quality
:06:19. > :06:20.information for all income groups. And this email from Dave -
:06:21. > :06:23."The recipes are not being cut. They are being reduced on a low heat
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:06:30. > :06:36.at the standard network rate. Manchester United play Bournemouth
:06:37. > :06:40.later, their Premier League match which was rearranged after it was
:06:41. > :06:41.abandoned on Sunday. Eight coachloads of Bournemouth fans will
:06:42. > :06:44.be heading north around lunchtime. All eyes will be on Marcus Rashford,
:06:45. > :06:47.who at 18, was named in Roy Hodgson's provisional England
:06:48. > :06:49.squad for the Euros. Incredible story -
:06:50. > :06:51.born in Manchester, not He only made his United
:06:52. > :06:56.debut in February - scored four goals in his first two
:06:57. > :06:59.games, he hasn't even played for the England U21's but could be
:07:00. > :07:02.set for his first full international cap in one of England's
:07:03. > :07:06.pre-tournament friendlies. Roy Hodgson will then decide
:07:07. > :07:09.if the teenager will earn a spot his I'm pleased that someone who has had
:07:10. > :07:17.such an outstanding end to the season, a young player,
:07:18. > :07:20.a player I think has obviously got a future if he can continue
:07:21. > :07:26.to develop as he has developed so far, it's great to be able
:07:27. > :07:29.to include him and then there is no reason, if he does exceptionally
:07:30. > :07:32.well, why he couldn't knock Sheffield Wednesday are one game
:07:33. > :07:50.away from the riches that the Premier League
:07:51. > :07:51.brings, they beat Brighton in the Championship
:07:52. > :07:53.play-off semi-finals. Sheffield Wednesday equalised
:07:54. > :07:58.through Ross Wallace. Wednesday will now face Hull
:07:59. > :08:03.or Derby for a place in the Premier Hull face Derby later,
:08:04. > :08:10.Hull are 3-0 up. Jess Varnish, the GB cyclist
:08:11. > :08:12.who claimed in an interview she was told to go an away
:08:13. > :08:15.and have a baby, says she's determined to win her place back
:08:16. > :08:18.on the cycling team for Rio. Varnish - on the left here -
:08:19. > :08:22.attacked the culture within British Cycling,
:08:23. > :08:24.which prompted the resignation She says she'll be meeting his
:08:25. > :08:27.replacement Andy Harrison and maintains that her performance
:08:28. > :08:41.was not the reason she was dropped. It has the feel of watching a fallen
:08:42. > :08:45.idol trying to reading former glories for Tiger Woods at the
:08:46. > :08:49.moment. At a tournament he is hosting he hit three shots into the
:08:50. > :08:54.water. He is trying to recover his form and fitness, he is outside of
:08:55. > :08:59.the world's top 500. He says he is progressing but, as you can see, he
:09:00. > :09:03.is a long way off giving a timescale just yet for his return. But he
:09:04. > :09:08.still has his sights on winning more majors, something he believes he can
:09:09. > :09:14.do to catch Sam Snead, who holds the record of 82 tour wins, and Jack
:09:15. > :09:20.Nicklaus' record of 86 majors. His record is still attainable, I have
:09:21. > :09:27.got to lot of the regular ones already, but the major one is still
:09:28. > :09:32.up there. I would like to get Sam's record as well. I am number two on
:09:33. > :09:37.both lists so it would be nice to be won on both lists. If his record is
:09:38. > :09:40.anything to go by, you certainly cannot count him out.
:09:41. > :09:42.That is all the sport for now, back to you.
:09:43. > :09:44.Last December we brought you the story of Matthew Green,
:09:45. > :09:47.who went missing from his home in Kent six years ago.
:09:48. > :09:49.He was 26 at the time, and one of thousands of people
:09:50. > :09:55.Most people who go missing return home quickly.
:09:56. > :09:58.Matthew had a normal life by all accounts and told his parents
:09:59. > :10:02.he was going to visit friends for the weekend but never came back.
:10:03. > :10:04.In a moment we'll talk to his parents to bring
:10:05. > :10:06.you the latest developments, but first here's a quick reminder
:10:07. > :10:14.of the story we brought you just before Christmas.
:10:15. > :10:27.Every two minutes, someone is recorded missing. 95% are found safe
:10:28. > :10:34.and well within 48 hours. But around 2500 people each year are still
:10:35. > :10:41.missing 12 months later. It was Easter week, he said, I'm going to
:10:42. > :10:44.my friends at Mile End the Easter weekend but I'm back on Sunday
:10:45. > :10:58.because I have work on Monday. On the Thursday evening, which was the
:10:59. > :11:09.8th of April... I just said, have a good weekend, don't leave it too
:11:10. > :11:14.late on Sunday getting back. And he never got to where he was going.
:11:15. > :11:24.Nobody has seen or heard from him since. It hasn't crashed. It is a
:11:25. > :11:28.video! Five years ago, Matthew Green, under right here, vanished
:11:29. > :11:32.from his home in Sittingbourne, Kent. As far as his parents know he
:11:33. > :11:37.wasn't in any trouble and there was no big family row. His bedroom
:11:38. > :11:42.hasn't been touched since that date. On the Wednesday, when I went into
:11:43. > :11:48.the police station, I felt... I felt stupid, for want of a better word. I
:11:49. > :11:55.thought, he's 26, and I'm coming to report him missing. I said, I don't
:11:56. > :11:59.know if I'm doing right or wrong, or if he is missing, and I don't want
:12:00. > :12:06.to waste your time or anything, but he has not been in contact since
:12:07. > :12:09.last Friday, when he left. Which was totally out of the ordinary. Then
:12:10. > :12:13.they wanted to come to the house to have a look at his room and see if
:12:14. > :12:19.there was anything there that might show anything. Which is where they
:12:20. > :12:26.found his phone, which was totally unusual because at that time it was
:12:27. > :12:31.like this all the time, superglued to their ears. He would never, ever
:12:32. > :12:35.leave his phone. That was when the alarm bells started ringing,
:12:36. > :12:40.something is not right. Matthew didn't just leave his phone behind.
:12:41. > :12:45.He took his passport, his birth certificate, and ?1700 in cash he
:12:46. > :12:49.had been saving. His parents have spent five years following every
:12:50. > :12:55.lead. The past five and a half years have been, for want of a better
:12:56. > :12:59.word, hell. Quite a few people have said to me, you are a strong person.
:13:00. > :13:04.I think, you don't know me, you don't see me when I locked myself in
:13:05. > :13:14.the bathroom at night so I can write. -- cry. It makes me feel
:13:15. > :13:21.better, then you can continue, you just carry on. I did 30 years plus
:13:22. > :13:24.in the Fire and Rescue Service, I have resolved a lot of problems for
:13:25. > :13:30.different people, different families, but the hardest thing I
:13:31. > :13:34.feel, I can't resolve this. That was last December.
:13:35. > :13:37.We can talk to Matthew's parents, Pauline and Jim.
:13:38. > :13:45.Thank you for talking to us, tell our audience what you now know about
:13:46. > :13:57.Matthew? We now know that he is alive. In Spain. But we don't know
:13:58. > :14:06.whereabouts in Spain. How did you get this news? On the 3rd of May
:14:07. > :14:09.Kent Police came round to the house and obviously it was a bit of a
:14:10. > :14:15.shock initially, seeing the police on your front doorstep. She said,
:14:16. > :14:24.there is nothing to worry about, we have got some news on maps. -- on
:14:25. > :14:33.Matthew. Then she told us that he had been located. Apparently there
:14:34. > :14:39.was a guy acting a bit oddly, a bit strangely, and was picked up, for
:14:40. > :14:51.want of a better word, by the social services out in Spain. And that, to
:14:52. > :14:54.date, is as far as we know. Hence your distress, although clearly it
:14:55. > :14:59.is amazing news that you know your son is alive, it is what you have
:15:00. > :15:03.been waiting to hear the so long, but you don't know where he is, you
:15:04. > :15:13.don't know how to get in touch with them? No, no. We have been in touch
:15:14. > :15:17.with the consular in the Jed -- the consulate in Madrid and I have sent
:15:18. > :15:21.Matt a letter, I e-mailed that to the consulate and asked if they
:15:22. > :15:28.could pass that on and I have also asked them, if it has been delivered
:15:29. > :15:32.to him, and we are at a stumbling block, they cannot tell me if it has
:15:33. > :15:36.been delivered to him because of data protection, they cannot tell me
:15:37. > :15:42.where he is exactly because of data protection. But they know, do they?
:15:43. > :15:48.I'm assuming they know, because Interpol were involved at the
:15:49. > :15:57.initial stages, apparently, and then they got a fingerprint match which
:15:58. > :16:01.proves 99.9% it is Matt, which obviously we are elated about but it
:16:02. > :16:05.is just all the other stumbling blocks we have got. Nobody will tell
:16:06. > :16:10.us exactly where in Spain he is, it is a vast country, I would have been
:16:11. > :16:16.on the plane the following morning, but where do I go? We have just got
:16:17. > :16:19.all these questions still and nobody to answer them.
:16:20. > :16:25.Jim, what do you think of this situation that you and Pauline now
:16:26. > :16:31.find yourselves in? Well, elated at the news. As Pauline said it was a
:16:32. > :16:39.real shock initially, but now, again, the questions of over and
:16:40. > :16:46.over again, can we come and see him or anything like that? But without
:16:47. > :16:52.Matthew's consent and the Data Protection Act they won't give us
:16:53. > :16:57.any information whatsoever of his whereabouts, his well-being, if he
:16:58. > :17:03.is OK, at one stage they said that he would have to be assessed by a
:17:04. > :17:10.medical team for his mental health. Now, we don't even know whether
:17:11. > :17:15.that's been done and if they have done this, and they deemed him OK,
:17:16. > :17:21.have they just let him go? We don't know. We are still in that limbo
:17:22. > :17:27.land again. OK. So, I mean, the most important thing is that your son is
:17:28. > :17:32.alive. Yes. There are some hurdles in your way, but they are not
:17:33. > :17:37.insurmountable, are they, Pauline? Oh no, definitely. I will get there
:17:38. > :17:42.in the end, it might take me a bit more time, but I've waited six
:17:43. > :17:46.years. So I'll carry on. Yes. Well, thank you very much for giving our
:17:47. > :17:51.audience an update and clearly, we are going to keep in touch. So thank
:17:52. > :17:57.you. No, thank you. Thank you very much Pauline. Thank you. Pauline and
:17:58. > :18:00.Jim Green. Let me give you the number if you need it more the
:18:01. > :18:06.Missing People Helpline: call or text on 116 000,
:18:07. > :18:08.or you can email If you're a car owner you'll know
:18:09. > :18:21.that when you renew your car insurance the company asks
:18:22. > :18:24.you a load of questions about you, We're told they could be on British
:18:25. > :18:30.roads within the next four years. But how would you go
:18:31. > :18:32.about insuring one? When the Prime Minister tells us
:18:33. > :18:35.tomorrow what new laws he wants to bring in this year he is expected
:18:36. > :18:41.to say that driverless cars should So we've got a racing driver,
:18:42. > :18:47.a motoring expert, a boss of a car company and a man selling insurance
:18:48. > :18:49.to talk about this. Gus Park, commercial
:18:50. > :18:53.director of motor insurance Nick Connor, MD of Volvo UK -
:18:54. > :19:00.the firm is going to start trialling And, via webcam, Robert Llewellyn,
:19:01. > :19:11.motoring expert and TV presenter. Welcome all of us. Robert, you have
:19:12. > :19:17.been in a driverless car. Describe what it is like to our audience and
:19:18. > :19:21.how it works and so on? I have been in about four. They are all slightly
:19:22. > :19:25.different. So some of them are regular cars with steering wheels
:19:26. > :19:28.that had a driver sitting in the driver's seat ready to take over the
:19:29. > :19:33.controls. One of them had no steering wheel and no controls and
:19:34. > :19:39.just drove itself happen Jill! The car I drive regularly has a setting
:19:40. > :19:44.called ought owe pilot if you are on a motorway, drives the car for you.
:19:45. > :19:48.Aur' legally obliged to have your hands on the steering wheel to take
:19:49. > :19:52.over, but it has proved itself to be reliable. It keeps a safe distance
:19:53. > :19:56.from other vehicles. Doesn't break the speed limit and knows how to
:19:57. > :20:01.drive very well. You get used to it, but it is a different experience.
:20:02. > :20:04.Yes. In that, in the last one, you described if you are driving on a
:20:05. > :20:09.motorway and you have got your hands on the wheel and if it is doing in
:20:10. > :20:13.front of you and if something fell off a lorry, you would take over
:20:14. > :20:16.manually? If you move the steering wheel, you have got control of the
:20:17. > :20:20.car. It is instantaneous, you don't have to switch something off or
:20:21. > :20:24.adjust a setting. You are in control of the vehicle at all times. What
:20:25. > :20:29.about the one that doesn't have a steering wheel? Well sh they are not
:20:30. > :20:35.allowed on public roads other than in California, they are Google cars,
:20:36. > :20:40.I used a series of autonomous cars in Abu Dhabi and they are on roads
:20:41. > :20:43.used by other vehicles, but they are restricted to a route of roadment
:20:44. > :20:47.they are aware of other vehicles if there is another car in front of it,
:20:48. > :20:52.slowing it down, it steers around it, so that's not quite, you know,
:20:53. > :20:59.driving down your street yet, but I mean, clearly, it is technically
:21:00. > :21:02.possible. It is as we are go to discover legal and insurance reasons
:21:03. > :21:07.are the problem. The key thing is the ownership of it. I don't think
:21:08. > :21:12.anyone will own in the sense we do now a driverless car because you
:21:13. > :21:16.won't need to, you will be at home and it will come and get you and
:21:17. > :21:20.that will be the end of it. It changes the ownership model. Well,
:21:21. > :21:26.that has a relevance when we talk about insurance. Rebecca, as a
:21:27. > :21:29.racing driver driving at top speeds, would you let technology take over?
:21:30. > :21:34.Well, it is a difficult question to answer. If I'm responsible for
:21:35. > :21:37.whatever happens in the car then I would be reluctant to let the
:21:38. > :21:40.technology take over. When I'm in control of the vehicle, it is up to
:21:41. > :21:44.me to look out for hazards, if I want to let someone cross the road,
:21:45. > :21:48.perhaps there is an old lady at the side of the road that is really
:21:49. > :21:53.struggling to get across because no one will stop and then I can be kind
:21:54. > :22:00.and stop and let her cross. Also with my racing car I am protected
:22:01. > :22:04.with a roll cage and three-piece fire retardant suit, it is a whole
:22:05. > :22:09.world apart from driving quickly on the road. Do you like the idea of it
:22:10. > :22:13.or not like the idea of relinquishing control? As a racing
:22:14. > :22:17.driver, I am a control freak! However, I think if the technology
:22:18. > :22:22.is proven and it is safe then being able to get into effectively a
:22:23. > :22:30.chauffeur driven vehicle without paying the full-time wage of a
:22:31. > :22:34.chauffeur mrps Is that true, you would be able to catch up on work or
:22:35. > :22:39.have a rest? Wouldn't you be thinking the whole time, gosh, what
:22:40. > :22:43.if this goes wrong I have got to be on it? Tell us why there is a
:22:44. > :22:47.demand. There is a demand. You can waste a lot of time driving in and
:22:48. > :22:54.out of cities and on our motorways and once you have been in a fully
:22:55. > :22:59.autonomous car, at first it feels strange, but after five minutes you
:23:00. > :23:03.relax. There is no way I would relax in a driverless car. After a few
:23:04. > :23:09.minutes when you see the car can change lanes and speed up, slow
:23:10. > :23:12.down, you get used to it and then you push back and you check your
:23:13. > :23:17.phone and read a book. It liberates time. It is fantastic development.
:23:18. > :23:22.OK. What's the impact on people's insurance policies then do you
:23:23. > :23:27.reckon? Well, I think what we know up to 90% of road traffic accidents
:23:28. > :23:32.are caused by driver error. So if we take away the driver error piece we
:23:33. > :23:36.know that our accidents will fall and therefore, premium also fall. So
:23:37. > :23:43.we are saying driverless cars will mean a reduction in accidents?
:23:44. > :23:48.Absolutely. That's why Volvo is keen on autonomous driving. We see it as
:23:49. > :23:52.a great way of eliminating all road traffic accidents in the longer
:23:53. > :23:55.term. Wow, eliminating all road traffic accidents, that's
:23:56. > :24:02.astonishing. Whether it is plausible, I don't know, but we will
:24:03. > :24:06.see over the years. Gus Park, in terms of insurance policies, in
:24:07. > :24:10.terms of normal people who drive now and their insurance policies, all of
:24:11. > :24:13.us think we pay too much in term of insurance policies, what impact will
:24:14. > :24:18.driverless car technology have on our policies? It could bring down
:24:19. > :24:20.the cost of insurance quite a bit if it is successful in reducing the
:24:21. > :24:24.number of accidents. So you will pass that on to the customers, will
:24:25. > :24:29.you? Yes, absolutely if we can establish there are the safety
:24:30. > :24:33.benefits. In the short-term, maybe less will change. These cars will
:24:34. > :24:40.continue to be mixed so some of the time you will be driving it
:24:41. > :24:44.yourself. Some of the time it will this autonomous mode. The hope is
:24:45. > :24:47.this will make our roads safer and reduce the cost of insurance. Do you
:24:48. > :24:53.see a time as Robert suggested where we won't own a car, just someone
:24:54. > :24:57.will bring one to us, I don't know, who will this someone be, we will
:24:58. > :25:05.have a man servant? It will be the car. Oh, the car will come itself to
:25:06. > :25:09.your home? It is almost exists now. Something like Uber or Halo which is
:25:10. > :25:13.an app that you have on your fond, you press a button and the car turns
:25:14. > :25:17.up to where you are going and takes you where you want to go and you get
:25:18. > :25:22.out again. I'm talking a few years in the future, but clearly, that,
:25:23. > :25:27.you know, that model is being studied and developed rapidly and a
:25:28. > :25:30.lot of money is being put into it. So I'm clear, Robert, there will be
:25:31. > :25:39.no human being in that car in the future? No. Wow! There won't need to
:25:40. > :25:44.be. Knoll. Already, I have been in two cars, my car parks itself, I
:25:45. > :25:48.have seen another car where you get out in front of the hotel and the
:25:49. > :25:52.car drives off and parks itself! You don't have to park it and when you
:25:53. > :25:57.come out of the hotel you press a button on your phone and the car
:25:58. > :26:01.comes and picks you up. I saw that a couple of years ago. I think it will
:26:02. > :26:07.arrive incrementally. My car can park itself now. I stand next to it
:26:08. > :26:12.while it does it so I won't have to stand next to it. Slowly, but slowly
:26:13. > :26:16.and it will be generational. Our generation will have real problems
:26:17. > :26:19.adjusting to that new reality, but I think younger generations less so.
:26:20. > :26:25.Rebecca, what do you think of that idea? Well, it does save on parking
:26:26. > :26:31.conundrums, doesn't it? You won't have to drive around looking for
:26:32. > :26:35.parking spaces. You could fill all the space in the car park. All the
:26:36. > :26:39.cars can communicate so when one person needs car A which is over
:26:40. > :26:44.there, they can move and that car can come out. The car park owners
:26:45. > :26:48.might not like that! Because you can, there won't be a demand, but I
:26:49. > :26:53.think it is a good idea. Thank you very much. Very interesting, thank
:26:54. > :26:57.you for coming on the programme. Coverage of the Queen's Speech on
:26:58. > :27:02.BBC News from 10.30am tomorrow. Still to come, Angelina Jolie tells
:27:03. > :27:05.us that her own children have given her presents to take
:27:06. > :27:07.to refugees in Syria. And for the last time this season,
:27:08. > :27:21.we'll catch up with one of our Leicester fans who joined
:27:22. > :27:24.240,000 other fans to watch Leicester City parade
:27:25. > :27:25.their Premier League trophy With the news, here's Joanna
:27:26. > :27:29.in the BBC Newsroom. Banks should be required to cap
:27:30. > :27:32.the amount they charge customers That's the recommendation
:27:33. > :27:35.from the Competition It's proposing a maximum
:27:36. > :27:38.monthly charge as part of a solution to tackle problems
:27:39. > :27:40.with current accounts. In 2014, banks made ?1.2 billion
:27:41. > :27:44.from those penalty fees. Inflation fell in April for
:27:45. > :27:50.the first time since last September. The rate of Consumer Price Index
:27:51. > :27:53.inflation fell to 0.3% last month, It has been put down
:27:54. > :27:57.to a fall in airfares Police have voiced concerns that
:27:58. > :28:05.unarmed officers could be "sitting ducks" in the event of a gun
:28:06. > :28:08.attack by terrorists. The main police union says that
:28:09. > :28:11.in spite of plans to increase the number of firearms staff,
:28:12. > :28:13.officers at strategic sites such as oil refineries and nuclear power
:28:14. > :28:16.stations in rural and coastal areas Following events in Paris
:28:17. > :28:27.and Brussels, they are concerned. They do feel vulnerable,
:28:28. > :28:30.that they will be sitting ducks in the event of a terrorist
:28:31. > :28:32.atrocity in this country. The campaigner Nigel Farage says
:28:33. > :28:40.he'll fight for a second referendum on the UK staying
:28:41. > :28:43.in the European Union He says a scenario like 52% to 48%
:28:44. > :28:54.would mean that the UK's place in Europe remains
:28:55. > :28:55."unfinished business". This has led to questions
:28:56. > :28:58.about whether or not he feels the Leave side could actually come
:28:59. > :29:12.out on top. John McDonnell launched a staunch
:29:13. > :29:17.defence of immigration into the UK and accused Brexit campaigners of
:29:18. > :29:23.pedalling rush ib. John McDonnell said the migrants weren't to blame
:29:24. > :29:25.for the pressure on public services. He accused the Tory Party of having
:29:26. > :29:30.been captured by Ukip. Nurses and paramedics could be used
:29:31. > :29:33.to help cover growing gaps as part of proposals from the health
:29:34. > :29:37.think-tank The Nuffield Trust. It's calling on nursing and support
:29:38. > :29:40.staff across the UK to be given new skills in order to help relieve
:29:41. > :29:42.pressure on the NHS. The Patients' Association has
:29:43. > :29:44.warned against "quick fix" solutions to the health
:29:45. > :29:49.service's staffing problems. The BBC Food website,
:29:50. > :29:51.which has more than 11,000 recipes, It's part of a BBC review
:29:52. > :29:55.of its online output. It says it needs to scale down
:29:56. > :29:58.or close some services, Critics say it is a vital tool
:29:59. > :30:02.for people on low incomes, with one chef describing the removal
:30:03. > :30:04.of the The BBC says it can't be
:30:05. > :30:07."all things to all people." Join me for BBC
:30:08. > :30:15.Newsroom Live at 11am. Let's get some more sport now -
:30:16. > :30:25.John has the headlines. All eyes on Marcus Rushford later,
:30:26. > :30:28.expected to play for Manchester United as they played ball must
:30:29. > :30:32.later in a match that was rearranged after it was abandoned on Sunday. He
:30:33. > :30:36.has been provisionally selected for the Roy Hodgson's squad for the Euro
:30:37. > :30:44.Championships and will be hoping to cement a place in the final 23.
:30:45. > :30:46.Sheffield Wednesday are into the Championship play-off
:30:47. > :30:51.Two-up from the first leg, it finished one all last night,
:30:52. > :30:54.Ross Wallace with Wednesday's goal, they will now face Hull or Derby.
:30:55. > :30:56.Jess Varnish - the GB cyclist who was told to go
:30:57. > :30:59.away and have a baby - has vowed to win back her place
:31:00. > :31:13.She maintains her performances was not the reason for her exit.
:31:14. > :31:15.And Hannah Miley has warmed up for the Olympics by winning silver
:31:16. > :31:18.in the Women's 400m individual medley a the European Swimming
:31:19. > :31:23.Well done to her, looking good ahead of the Olympics.
:31:24. > :31:25.That is all the sport, Victoria. Back to you.
:31:26. > :31:29."Stay at home on benefits like all other teeenage mums,"
:31:30. > :31:32.the words of one manager to his employee who was due to come
:31:33. > :31:35.Just one example of the kind of discrimination
:31:36. > :31:42.And new research today reveals that women under 25 are six times more
:31:43. > :31:44.likely to lose their jobs that any other age group
:31:45. > :31:52.According to the Equality And Human Rights Commission,
:31:53. > :31:55.15% felt under pressure to hand their notice in and one
:31:56. > :32:01.quarter said it had an effect on their health and stress levels.
:32:02. > :32:04.Laura Davies says she was forced out of her job when she became pregnant
:32:05. > :32:11.Chrisi Franks says having children in her early 20s has
:32:12. > :32:21.Karen Jockelson is director of the Employment Programme
:32:22. > :32:24.for the Equality and Human Rights Commission, who are behind
:32:25. > :32:32.And Carl Reader is an employer who says maternity leave
:32:33. > :32:41.You were studying and in a part-time job when you got pregnant, what
:32:42. > :32:46.happened? They were hostile, they turned around and said, are you
:32:47. > :32:49.making the right decision, you will bring the team down sales rise, you
:32:50. > :32:55.will not hit your targets, are you sure this isn't what you want to do?
:32:56. > :33:00.They actually said those words to you, or is that what you felt the
:33:01. > :33:05.vibes were? It was a mixture between the vibes and when I was going to
:33:06. > :33:11.appointment I was told I would not be eating my targets because I was
:33:12. > :33:17.skipping shipped. I felt I needed to put my all into my job but also pull
:33:18. > :33:22.back and look after myself. And did you think at the time, this is
:33:23. > :33:27.discrimination, this is outrageous? Yes and no. I thought something
:33:28. > :33:31.didn't really sit right, but whenever I had bought things up in
:33:32. > :33:36.the past with managers about discrimination, it all got brushed
:33:37. > :33:40.under the carpet. I thought that I was just being a bit over the top
:33:41. > :33:45.about it all. After maternity leave, you wanted to go back but it seemed
:33:46. > :33:49.clear they were not really going to welcome you back with open arms?
:33:50. > :33:54.Yes, I wanted to go back, otherwise I didn't have a job, and I rely on
:33:55. > :33:58.my job to bathe everything, but when I went back in they told me that
:33:59. > :34:02.there wasn't a job for me, I should go home and sit on benefits like
:34:03. > :34:07.other junk bonds and I should be focusing on my child's rather than
:34:08. > :34:12.working. -- like other young mothers. I felt I was a bad mum by
:34:13. > :34:19.wanting to provide for my child. Let me bring in Karen. What do you think
:34:20. > :34:23.of that story? It is all for, not entirely surprising. It is something
:34:24. > :34:28.we founded our research. As you said earlier, young mothers are more
:34:29. > :34:31.likely than other mothers to experience such pressure that they
:34:32. > :34:36.feel forced or have to leave their jobs. How do we explain that they
:34:37. > :34:40.are six times more likely to feel under this pressure than older
:34:41. > :34:43.women? Some of it might be to do with employer attitudes. We asked
:34:44. > :34:48.employers about their perceptions and although many of them said they
:34:49. > :34:52.thought women played a valuable role in the workplace, when we questioned
:34:53. > :34:57.them more closely there was a sizeable proportion who felt they
:34:58. > :35:02.should have the right to ask women what their plans were around having
:35:03. > :35:05.children or whether they were pregnant, they felt once a woman had
:35:06. > :35:10.decided to have a child she was no longer committed to her work. Women
:35:11. > :35:13.said completely the opposite, they said even having a child they were
:35:14. > :35:19.still committed, still wanted to do the best for their employer. Carl,
:35:20. > :35:23.as an employer, I'm assuming you don't speak to your female staff
:35:24. > :35:27.like that or you probably would not be here on television! Absolutely
:35:28. > :35:30.not, no, we do not speak to our stuff like that, and if we did we
:35:31. > :35:38.would not have the business we have got. But there are issues when it
:35:39. > :35:41.comes to people who run companies filling in behind when somebody goes
:35:42. > :35:46.on maternity leave, and you would like perhaps a bit more openness
:35:47. > :35:51.from women when they are pregnant, is that fair? It is a challenge,
:35:52. > :35:56.because, as a small-business owner, we have mixed emotions when we hear
:35:57. > :35:59.a staff member is pregnant, so we know them all so we are delighted
:36:00. > :36:04.for them personally but we know there is a reality that we have got
:36:05. > :36:07.a period of a maximum of three months to plan, take someone in to
:36:08. > :36:14.train them up, replace them for the period they are off, and whilst
:36:15. > :36:21.staff members might sometimes know their intentions afterwards but the
:36:22. > :36:25.nature often changes, we cannot help medical issues out of our control,
:36:26. > :36:29.so we have two employ people on a temporary basis, they often end up
:36:30. > :36:35.being very good as well, so we can often accept the returning weather
:36:36. > :36:38.and also keep the tempo. What would make it easier for you, women
:36:39. > :36:41.telling you a earlier they were pregnant and wanted maternity leave,
:36:42. > :36:46.and telling you earlier when they are coming back? Being told early
:36:47. > :36:52.helps, however just openness throughout the process. Things
:36:53. > :36:56.change. You have heard from Laura's story, you will understand why some
:36:57. > :36:59.people keep it quiet because of that treatment? Yes, and it is
:37:00. > :37:06.disgraceful, there is no need for that. Chrisi, you were 25 when you
:37:07. > :37:11.had your first child... 24 when I was pregnant. You feel you were
:37:12. > :37:15.effectively sidelined for a period of years when you are having
:37:16. > :37:18.children by various bosses? I found it a big challenge trying to compete
:37:19. > :37:22.with my peers in the workplace who did not have children. I was
:37:23. > :37:30.objectively and in turn when I became pregnant, my partner was
:37:31. > :37:35.older than me, had a stable job and was delighted when I became
:37:36. > :37:43.pregnant, and so I was probably a bit naive about the challenges I
:37:44. > :37:46.would base. I think I'm a graduate 's trainee starting salary it became
:37:47. > :37:53.unaffordable for me to return to work for a period of time -- on a
:37:54. > :37:57.graduate trainee starting salary. Returning to work when I was a bit
:37:58. > :38:03.older, having had a second child, I was then at a much lower grade than
:38:04. > :38:07.my peers, which was hard from a personal perspective. But isn't that
:38:08. > :38:11.fair enough, because you were out of the workplace for a few years, so
:38:12. > :38:15.while people are not having children they might be being promoted? That
:38:16. > :38:22.is true, but I don't think the experience you gain as a parent is
:38:23. > :38:27.experience, I was also doing freelancing and doing bits of work
:38:28. > :38:32.while I was off, but I think for me the challenge was going into roles
:38:33. > :38:36.where I had not been there for very long and so I think that makes your
:38:37. > :38:42.working situation a lot more precarious, it is much easier for
:38:43. > :38:45.people to get rid of you, it means that you don't necessarily have the
:38:46. > :38:51.trust to work from home. For example, in one situation, I was
:38:52. > :38:56.offered working from home for one day but one minor technical hitch
:38:57. > :38:58.meant it was pulled by an inexperienced manager who was
:38:59. > :39:05.younger than me he did not understand the challenges I was
:39:06. > :39:10.facing at that time. That could have been just because you had a rubbish
:39:11. > :39:14.boss? It might not be that bosses don't particularly like women who
:39:15. > :39:18.have got children or when they become pregnant? I think it depends
:39:19. > :39:21.on the industry and the size of the organisation. For bigger
:39:22. > :39:25.organisations, I have not found having that flexibility in my
:39:26. > :39:30.working life has been an issue. But they have but big a chart is not an
:39:31. > :39:34.excuse, but they are well across employment law, they should be
:39:35. > :39:42.treating people equally -- they have big human resources departments.
:39:43. > :39:45.When you find a job, in this implement market, it can be quite
:39:46. > :39:49.challenging just to get in, you need to be treated in a similar web
:39:50. > :39:53.regardless of the size of the organisation. If I may go back to
:39:54. > :39:58.your point, small businesses, you are right it is down to bad boss or
:39:59. > :40:02.good boss. I advise people on this sort of thing and it sounds like you
:40:03. > :40:05.have had micromanagement and a fear of allowing you to do your own thing
:40:06. > :40:09.and trust to allow you to perform your role, and without that,
:40:10. > :40:16.unfortunately, this discrimination can occur. We would find that was
:40:17. > :40:21.also demonstrated in our research, it was very evident that when there
:40:22. > :40:25.were human resources policies in place and women had a manager they
:40:26. > :40:29.could be open with and was empathetic they were able to resolve
:40:30. > :40:33.these issues will stop it is like you were saying from your own
:40:34. > :40:36.experiences about having open conversations early and the reason
:40:37. > :40:40.that is important for women is you need to declare your pregnancy for
:40:41. > :40:46.the legal rights to kick in, for you to be protected, and then you also
:40:47. > :40:50.have certain obligations to talk about how you would like to take
:40:51. > :40:54.maternity leave when you reach a round the six-month point. There
:40:55. > :41:01.needs to be open conversations about what you need as an employee as much
:41:02. > :41:04.as what the employer needs to run their business effectively. Lobbe,
:41:05. > :41:08.it sounds as though you would have a good case against your previous
:41:09. > :41:12.employer but you did not pursue them legally, why is that? Mainly because
:41:13. > :41:16.I was scared, I did not know what I could bring up, I did not know what
:41:17. > :41:20.the laws were, and it took me a long time to come to terms with my
:41:21. > :41:26.experience so I have lots of help and support from various
:41:27. > :41:29.organisations like the Young Women's Trust and friends and family who
:41:30. > :41:33.supported me through the journey and it has only been in the last year or
:41:34. > :41:37.so that I have started speaking up about everything that happened, and
:41:38. > :41:43.speaking about how it needs to change. This text from Rebecca who
:41:44. > :41:47.is listening, I was 34 when I became pregnant with my first baby working
:41:48. > :41:52.in a management role board of the UK's largest employers in a male
:41:53. > :41:56.dominated technology area. Two days after notifying work of my pregnancy
:41:57. > :42:00.I was removed by my manager from my role and put in an area of the
:42:01. > :42:03.company to be redeployed where you were also encouraged to leave the
:42:04. > :42:07.business. It was only after union involvement that I was allowed to
:42:08. > :42:23.return after maternity leave to the same role.
:42:24. > :42:27.If I had not gone through it, I would never have believed it could
:42:28. > :42:29.happen in this day and age. That is what is shocking, we have
:42:30. > :42:32.the legislation, equality laws are there, it is illegal to discriminate
:42:33. > :42:35.against a woman who says she is having a baby or wants to come back
:42:36. > :42:38.to work, and yet it happens and people get away with it. They do,
:42:39. > :42:40.and we have some views on that. It is important for employers to
:42:41. > :42:43.realise that women don't want to take them to court, they want an
:42:44. > :42:45.opportunity to talk through the problem and find a mutually
:42:46. > :42:47.agreeable solution and when our statistics show that most women who
:42:48. > :42:49.experience a bad time at work, potentially discriminatory, don't
:42:50. > :42:52.follow all the way through and some of the reason for that is they have
:42:53. > :42:57.other things going on in their lives, they are pregnant, they may
:42:58. > :43:03.be very tired, they are anxious about the impact They cannot afford
:43:04. > :43:07.it. In March we published a series of recommendations to Government and
:43:08. > :43:12.one of those was around asking Government to consider what barriers
:43:13. > :43:15.there were in front of women who face pregnancy or maternity
:43:16. > :43:18.discrimination and what barriers there were to accessing justice.
:43:19. > :43:24.That is in the hands of Government at the moment. I was just going to
:43:25. > :43:29.say, from a business perspective, I am embarrassed to hear that story.
:43:30. > :43:35.You cannot be held accountable for all of the bad bosses in the
:43:36. > :43:36.country! It is shocking. It is very good of you, Carl. Thank you all for
:43:37. > :43:39.coming on the programme. Still to come: Nearly a quarter
:43:40. > :43:42.of a million people took to the streets of Leicester last
:43:43. > :43:44.night to celebrate their team's We'll talk to one of our favourite
:43:45. > :43:48.Leicester City fans - Mr Gary L Johnson -
:43:49. > :43:51.named after Gary Lineker with an L It's probably safe to assume
:43:52. > :44:01.he didn't get much Angelina Jolie Pitt has made a
:44:02. > :44:06.passionate plea to help millions of desperate migrants saying the global
:44:07. > :44:15.monetary system for refugees has broken down.
:44:16. > :44:17.Newsround's Ricky Boleto exclusively met her along with a group of 11,
:44:18. > :44:24.So Angelina Jolie-Pitt thank you so much for
:44:25. > :44:29.We have got these kids with us today and they have got some questions for
:44:30. > :44:32.They have each got a question that if that's OK.
:44:33. > :44:35.So we'll start with Maran, what's your
:44:36. > :44:39.So as we all know you have visited many refugee
:44:40. > :44:41.camps over the years, can you tell us what life
:44:42. > :44:46.The thing that I think would shock you the most is now the average stay
:44:47. > :44:50.So that means if you were born in a refugee
:44:51. > :44:51.camp your whole childhood is
:44:52. > :44:57.You often can't farm on it, you don't have the right to farm on it.
:44:58. > :44:59.You don't have the right to make it your
:45:00. > :45:03.You have a number and you get your food
:45:04. > :45:06.once a month and you only get what they give you,
:45:07. > :45:09.you don't get special spices or little things that make it
:45:10. > :45:12.personal like when your mum cooks at home and stuff like that.
:45:13. > :45:15.A lot of times there aren't funds for school
:45:16. > :45:17.and especially secondary, so your education is very limited.
:45:18. > :45:19.So a lot of times little kids are kind of
:45:20. > :45:23.sitting there with nothing to do and it can feel a little bit like a
:45:24. > :45:27.It can feel pretty tough, but I'm always amazed by the
:45:28. > :45:29.attitude of the refugees because they are pretty strong people so
:45:30. > :45:33.You have got a question, haven't you?
:45:34. > :45:36.My question is how does migration affect us in terms of schools and
:45:37. > :45:40.Well, I think, you know, of course when there is an
:45:41. > :45:51.influx of people it will always affect schools and hospitals, but
:45:52. > :45:54.they tend to find they hope that it won't go on forever.
:45:55. > :45:57.It will be for a few years and for those few years they are
:45:58. > :46:00.going top to be very, very generous, and they are going to be affected
:46:01. > :46:03.and maybe there is something more important that you possibly learn
:46:04. > :46:06.from any textbook which is that you learn to share and learn
:46:07. > :46:08.how to help someone when they are in
:46:09. > :46:11.a situation where they could die if they were sent home.
:46:12. > :46:14.We have spoken to some kids in the past, especially in the last 12
:46:15. > :46:17.months, where they said that perhaps in their area they think that
:46:18. > :46:20.Britain is full or potentially their parents
:46:21. > :46:29.Do you think they have the right to be worried?
:46:30. > :46:31.Well, I think with or without migration,
:46:32. > :46:34.that's what and lot of countries feel that way.
:46:35. > :46:41.A lot of countries and feel around the world feel that
:46:42. > :46:44.they fight to make sure there is employment and that is in
:46:45. > :46:50.Bringing in refugees, do you think that could be
:46:51. > :46:52.Oh oh well, I think there are some people that
:46:53. > :46:55.would really like to make you feel like your life would be completely
:46:56. > :47:00.different because a refugee family came
:47:01. > :47:03.in and they took your job, but I do not believe that
:47:04. > :47:07.I am somebody who believes that immigration can make a
:47:08. > :47:08.country stronger and look at the diversity
:47:09. > :47:11.How boring would it be if everybody was
:47:12. > :47:13.exactly the same from the same country?
:47:14. > :47:23.I think the kind of jobs that a refugee, an asylum seeker may get
:47:24. > :47:31.is not necessarily the job that many people want
:47:32. > :47:34.is not necessarily the job that many people want to have and they tend
:47:35. > :47:37.to take any job they can to be able to just get by.
:47:38. > :47:40.But I don't think they're going to jump forward and
:47:41. > :47:43.take the job that somebody who has been living here for a while and I
:47:44. > :47:46.think there does need to be proteches for people who have worked
:47:47. > :47:49.a long time in this country and they shouldn't ever be put
:47:50. > :47:53.I think it is very important that you take care
:47:54. > :47:56.of your citizens and are able to give support to people in need.
:47:57. > :47:59.How are we going so far? The nerves have gone.
:48:00. > :48:04.Well, a great start, Gabriel, you have got
:48:05. > :48:06.a question for Angelina, what is it?
:48:07. > :48:09.How can we make sure that these people aren't labelled as
:48:10. > :48:19.Well, I think part of the thing is, it is strange, isn't it,
:48:20. > :48:22.that different, somebody from another culture, another
:48:23. > :48:24.country, should be so interesting and these are people that survived,
:48:25. > :48:27.maybe they survived bombs dropping in their neighbourhood.
:48:28. > :48:29.Then they survived not being able to find food.
:48:30. > :48:31.They survived and some of their family members
:48:32. > :48:35.were taken from them.
:48:36. > :48:38.Some of them had to cross and some of their family members drowned
:48:39. > :48:41.at sea, they have survived so many things.
:48:42. > :48:43.We don't want to disrespect and treat them as different, but
:48:44. > :48:46.maybe the answer is to say that they are different
:48:47. > :48:48.in a wonderful way and they are survivors and they are
:48:49. > :48:54.people that we should be proud to get to know.
:48:55. > :49:02.You're less selfish than other celebrities.
:49:03. > :49:08.What makes you focus more time on
:49:09. > :49:18.I felt, you know when I was growing up - I went through so
:49:19. > :49:21.many, I didn't know what to do with my life.
:49:22. > :49:23.I didn't know what it was to be happy.
:49:24. > :49:27.When you can be a part of something in the world, then it
:49:28. > :49:38.So I feel very lucky that I became aware of
:49:39. > :49:41.this young and when I wake up in the morning the first thing is
:49:42. > :49:45.I am a mum and that's the greatest thing for me in the world and then
:49:46. > :49:49.I'm a person who lives in this world and wants to some good, I hope
:49:50. > :50:00.A great question. OK, what's yours?
:50:01. > :50:03.I'm 12 years old and I go to a school in London.
:50:04. > :50:06.What can I do to help refugee children in our school?
:50:07. > :50:09.I think the most important thing is to talk to them
:50:10. > :50:12.and to be friends with them and to ask them questions about how they're
:50:13. > :50:27.Basically if it was you, what would you want?
:50:28. > :50:30.You put yourself in their shoes and you do what you would wish
:50:31. > :50:34.would be done to you and learn about them because I bet it is fascinating
:50:35. > :50:37.how they got here and where they're from and I bet you made
:50:38. > :50:40.Do you think countries feel pressurised into letting refugees
:50:41. > :50:46.They act and they speak about it as a big pressure,
:50:47. > :50:56.but I don't think it is the kind of pressure that some countries face
:50:57. > :50:59.when they have had four million refugees for 25 years,
:51:00. > :51:02.it is a different kind of pressure and I don't think they should equate
:51:03. > :51:08.themselves as if it is the same and again,
:51:09. > :51:12.themselves as if it is the same and again, I think it is, you know,
:51:13. > :51:14.it was set-up this way after World War
:51:15. > :51:17.II to help balance the world when people are in need we need
:51:18. > :51:21.Sometimes that's giving aid relief and sometimes that's
:51:22. > :51:23.helping support another host country, but you have to do
:51:24. > :51:26.something and really you should want to do something
:51:27. > :51:28.because a stable world is what we all need and want
:51:29. > :51:31.so the pressure should be that we don't want the world
:51:32. > :51:33.to break apart and be full of chaos and instability.
:51:34. > :51:39.We should feel we all better do something to try to just
:51:40. > :51:41.make the world a more peaceful, stable place.
:51:42. > :51:44.Whatever that is, whatever our countries can do, they
:51:45. > :51:58.Almost a quarter of a million Leicester City fans saluted
:51:59. > :52:01.their heroes during an open-top bus tour to celebrate the team
:52:02. > :52:04.Last night's parade was official recognition of Leicester's
:52:05. > :52:07.status as champions of England for the first time
:52:08. > :52:24.Gary Johnson, Gary as in Gary Lineker, L
:52:25. > :52:27.as in Leicester, was there and he captured what it was like to
:52:28. > :52:31.see his team travel in triumph through the city's streets.
:52:32. > :52:41.The weather is gorgeous. We are about tote got bus into the city
:52:42. > :52:44.centre. The local bus company are allowing everyone travel into the
:52:45. > :52:48.city for ?1. We are going to make the most of that which is lovely and
:52:49. > :52:53.then we will look at the excitement that's building around the city!
:52:54. > :52:58.It is about an hour since we last spoke and it is coming up to 5pm.
:52:59. > :53:04.The crowd has been indeed travelled in more numbers now. Look at who is
:53:05. > :53:08.here now. Lots of noise. Lots of people ready to see Leicester bring
:53:09. > :53:12.along the trophy along the streets. Something tells me it is going to be
:53:13. > :53:17.quite noisy when they do end up coming along in the end. They will
:53:18. > :53:22.come from up the street, up here and they are going to go around the city
:53:23. > :53:30.shows off what their achievement has been this year. It is five minute
:53:31. > :53:32.from the parade start. The excitement here is building
:53:33. > :53:40.completely. Everyone is getting ready. Are you ready? Yes.
:53:41. > :53:44.LAUGHTER Always the optimistic happy person.
:53:45. > :53:50.But it is very exciting. We can't wait to see who is going to be hold
:53:51. > :53:56.the trophy at the front of the bus. They are five minutes away.
:53:57. > :54:05.They are now making their way down the street. We can see lots of
:54:06. > :54:09.confetti being chucked in the air at this moment of time and they are now
:54:10. > :54:11.making their way towards us here. We are here at the clock tower at the
:54:12. > :55:11.heart of Leicester. # We are the champions.
:55:12. > :55:20.# No time for losers as we are the champions.
:55:21. > :55:28.# Of the world. . # Well, let's talk to Gary. I love the
:55:29. > :55:31.way you got into reporter's mode and you said, "Indeed you can see the
:55:32. > :55:36.crowds gathering now." What a season. It has been amazing for you.
:55:37. > :55:40.I'm so pleased for you. It is something that you cannot put into
:55:41. > :55:44.words really. It is something that I would never thought I would ever see
:55:45. > :55:47.as a Leicester City fan. We have made history this year, but I tell
:55:48. > :55:52.you what, I think this is only the start of the story. People are
:55:53. > :55:55.talking about oh what a shame it is the end of the season. This is only
:55:56. > :55:58.the beginning for Leicester City. We are going to build on every moment
:55:59. > :56:02.that we have achieved this season. Well, in what way? Are you talking
:56:03. > :56:07.about doing, winning the Premier League again, is that a possibility?
:56:08. > :56:13.You are in Europe. How, that's going to be really tough, isn't it? It is,
:56:14. > :56:19.yes. I think it is at these times when we can really get on to our
:56:20. > :56:22.players that haven't maybe played an important role this season, but they
:56:23. > :56:27.have been behind the team that has been playing and we've got strength
:56:28. > :56:31.that have played only very rarely this season and they are going to
:56:32. > :56:37.have their moments next year. We also need to build upon, of course,
:56:38. > :56:43.what we've got, but you know, we are in Champions League land as Claudio
:56:44. > :56:48.Ranieri would say, dilly dong! When we first spoke to you however long
:56:49. > :56:52.ago it was, you spoke to us from your bedroom where you had Doctor
:56:53. > :56:58.Who posters. Describe where you are today, Gary? Well, I am at a day
:56:59. > :57:01.centre which is where I do a lot of my youth activities and work for the
:57:02. > :57:12.community. Ah. And they are all Leicester fans as
:57:13. > :57:17.well? Oh, I persuaded many of them to become Leicester fans. In terms
:57:18. > :57:21.of your name, we have never got to the bottom of this. Your parents
:57:22. > :57:25.gave you that name. It was nothing to do with you, you didn't know what
:57:26. > :57:30.was happening! But the L is for Leicester? Yeah. It is spelt the
:57:31. > :57:35.same as the city its self, the football club. As you probably
:57:36. > :57:39.gathered, I have a very mad father that wanted to call me by his
:57:40. > :57:43.favourite star who he saw right at the start of his career, Gary
:57:44. > :57:49.Lineker! And my middle name is named after the city. It is amazing. There
:57:50. > :57:52.is not many people who can say their middle name is named after a
:57:53. > :57:59.football club to be honest, it is great. Gary, you have been grillant.
:58:00. > :58:04.Thank you for your video diaries and give me love to Sandra as well. I
:58:05. > :58:05.don't know if we will ever speak again, but if not, bye-bye.
:58:06. > :58:09.Thank you.