18/05/2016

:00:08. > :00:09.Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:16.Our top story today - the government's plans for the next

:00:17. > :00:19.12 months are set out by the Queen this morning - including an overhaul

:00:20. > :00:21.of human rights legislation and unprecedented new powers

:00:22. > :00:27.An inquiry asks whether fear of abuse is preventing professional

:00:28. > :00:29.sportsmen and women from coming out as gay.

:00:30. > :00:32.We'll talk to athletes about their decision to be open

:00:33. > :00:38.And - what's it like to be on board the world's biggest cruise ship -

:00:39. > :00:41.with its 23 swimming pools and 20 restaurants - we take a look

:00:42. > :00:43.at the billion dollar Harmony of the Seas ahead of her maiden

:00:44. > :00:58.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 10.30 this morning,

:00:59. > :01:00.when we'll bring you coverage of the Queen's Speech.

:01:01. > :01:06.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking

:01:07. > :01:08.about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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:01:13. > :01:15.Big changes to the prison service will be announced

:01:16. > :01:17.in the Queen's Speech this morning, expected to include

:01:18. > :01:19.increases in education programmes for prisoners.

:01:20. > :01:20.Other bills will include measures on extremism,

:01:21. > :01:23.an overhaul of human rights law, and changes to speed adoption.

:01:24. > :01:31.Our political correspondent Carole Walker reports from Westminster.

:01:32. > :01:34.The Prime Minister says he wants to turn prisons from warehouses

:01:35. > :01:37.for criminals into places where lives are changed.

:01:38. > :01:39.The Queen's Speech will include plans for six new reformed prisons,

:01:40. > :01:43.giving their governors much greater freedom over how they operate

:01:44. > :01:49.So, in a system where almost half of all inmates reoffend within

:01:50. > :01:56.a year of release, will the changes make much difference?

:01:57. > :01:59.I think success over time will be more and more individuals leaving

:02:00. > :02:02.prison with the skills in order to secure proper employment,

:02:03. > :02:04.and a determination on their part not to commit crimes again.

:02:05. > :02:07.It's making sure that people are given a second chance, so that

:02:08. > :02:12.prisoners turn from liabilities, who cost our

:02:13. > :02:15.society, into assets, who can contribute to our national life.

:02:16. > :02:17.So what else will be in the Queen's Speech?

:02:18. > :02:20.Changes to the care system, with more support

:02:21. > :02:24.for young people when they leave and efforts to speed up adoption.

:02:25. > :02:26.A bill to tackle extremism, with measures to stop extremists

:02:27. > :02:31.working with children and other vulnerable groups.

:02:32. > :02:34.And a consultation on a British bill of rights to curb the powers of

:02:35. > :02:48.The Prime Minister wants to show that he does have

:02:49. > :02:50.a programme to tackle some of the deep-seated

:02:51. > :02:52.problems of the country, but he knows that with a slim

:02:53. > :02:56.And the fractured state of the Conservative Party, deeply divided

:02:57. > :02:58.over the EU referendum, means it will be even

:02:59. > :03:00.harder to get anything controversial through Parliament.

:03:01. > :03:06.I think what we'll get this morning is all

:03:07. > :03:08.the frothy, nice stuff, that appeals to everybody in the country.

:03:09. > :03:10.And the moment the European referendum is over,

:03:11. > :03:13.I suspect David Cameron will come in with the ideological,

:03:14. > :03:15.right-wing stuff that we've had for the last six years of him.

:03:16. > :03:20.It leaves the public sector strapped for cash, unable to meet

:03:21. > :03:22.the needs of ordinary, working people in this country,

:03:23. > :03:25.and it means that we're still missing every single economic target

:03:26. > :03:28.The glitter and ceremony of the Queen's Speech may herald

:03:29. > :03:32.a brief respite from the referendum debate, but the Prime Minister knows

:03:33. > :03:36.his ability to deliver his programme will depend on the result

:03:37. > :03:50.Our political guru Norman Smith joins us now from Westminster.

:03:51. > :03:56.What kind of changes might we see the prisons in England and Wales?

:03:57. > :04:00.The idea is to copy what has been done with screws, to give schools

:04:01. > :04:06.more independence to decide how they run themselves, so the same thing

:04:07. > :04:11.with governors, being given greater control over their budgets, they

:04:12. > :04:15.stick by national contracts, more say over the day-to-day running of

:04:16. > :04:21.residence. They will be able to shape the rehabilitation regimes,

:04:22. > :04:26.the visiting hours, the thinking being that governors are best placed

:04:27. > :04:30.to know what is going to improve their prisons rather than the

:04:31. > :04:34.government simply telling them. Alongside that there will be an

:04:35. > :04:36.attempt to encourage greater transparency, so we have a better

:04:37. > :04:41.idea of what is going on in different prisons. So there will be

:04:42. > :04:47.lead tables and was and will have to publish how many of their inmates go

:04:48. > :04:52.on to jobs, how many reoffend, how many are involved in violent

:04:53. > :04:56.incidents, so people can get a sense of what prisons are doing well, and

:04:57. > :05:05.which prisons are doing badly. Hope is that might drive up standards in

:05:06. > :05:07.prisons. The charities involved in rehabilitation of prisoners are by

:05:08. > :05:12.and large quite supportive, they take the view that the big issue is

:05:13. > :05:16.prison overcrowding. And unless you address that, you are not really

:05:17. > :05:22.going to tackle the major problems. They say what you have to look at is

:05:23. > :05:26.reforms the sentencing, we send too many people to prison who perhaps

:05:27. > :05:31.haven't done such huge offences, and secondly, automotive is to custody.

:05:32. > :05:36.Sending people to prisons, often they become embroiled in drug abuse,

:05:37. > :05:41.they suffer from mental illness, self harm. Prisons are not good

:05:42. > :05:45.place to be if you want to try and get people back into the mainstream

:05:46. > :05:52.of society. What else should our audience look out for the day?

:05:53. > :05:56.Demonstrate is presenting this as Mr Cameron's big social vision, his

:05:57. > :06:00.attempt to tackle issues which politicians normally shy away from.

:06:01. > :06:06.There will be stuck around care, trying to help people get into work,

:06:07. > :06:12.staff around adoption, trying to speed up the whole adoption process,

:06:13. > :06:16.more measures to crack down on hate preachers Ashgrove stuff around

:06:17. > :06:22.adoption. I have had of the Queens speech, it is not really a big deal,

:06:23. > :06:27.it is a bit of a minnow of a Queens speech, and the reason is because of

:06:28. > :06:32.the hulking EU referendum which overshadows everything Mr Cameron is

:06:33. > :06:38.doing now. All his political energy is going into that, because it is

:06:39. > :06:42.the fight of his political life and he loses it, his legacy is

:06:43. > :06:47.tarnished. It is everything by him. The name of the game for this

:06:48. > :06:52.Queen's Speech is bluntly, to avoid trouble, aboard bust ups which will

:06:53. > :06:58.cause even more grief, that is Downing Street's stance. So the

:06:59. > :07:01.Queen's Speech is stripped of anything controversial or difficult

:07:02. > :07:08.so it's kind of a Queen's Speech for a quiet life. If David Cameron loses

:07:09. > :07:12.the EU referendum vote and a majority of voters decide they want

:07:13. > :07:16.Britain to leave the EU, does that mean all bets are off for this

:07:17. > :07:22.Queen's Speech, however uncontroversial it is? I suspect if

:07:23. > :07:28.we vote to leave, this Queen's Speech will simply be overwhelmed by

:07:29. > :07:32.the titanic challenges we face, of which, who succeeds Mr Cameron is at

:07:33. > :07:36.the Lesser end of the scale. The bigger end of the scale is what on

:07:37. > :07:42.earth is our relationship with Europe and the rest of the world, it

:07:43. > :07:46.is a Titanic moment which makes this Queen's Speech almost irrelevant.

:07:47. > :07:50.Coverage starts at 10:30 a.m.. Sophie Long is in the BBC Newsroom

:07:51. > :07:53.with a summary of the rest The charity Age UK says the number

:07:54. > :07:58.of people aged over 80 who provide It says there are now more

:07:59. > :08:03.than 400,000 such carers - one in seven of what are called

:08:04. > :08:06.'the oldest of the old'. Many of our elderly,

:08:07. > :08:12.say the charity Age UK, are owed The charity claims that a growing

:08:13. > :08:19.number of unpaid carers are aged over 65, with a substantial

:08:20. > :08:23.minority in their 80s. The majority, they say, are looking

:08:24. > :08:25.after partners, the rest caring Age UK's report is based on a review

:08:26. > :08:33.of official figures. It says that the total number

:08:34. > :08:36.of carers aged over 65 providing unpaid or informal care has risen

:08:37. > :08:41.from 1.7 million to 2 million people Meanwhile, the number of carers aged

:08:42. > :08:47.over 80 has increased by 39%, to over 400,000,

:08:48. > :08:53.and that 50% of them provide unpaid It is really important

:08:54. > :09:00.that the Government takes the opportunity,

:09:01. > :09:03.with its new care strategy, to ask It is a partnership in many ways

:09:04. > :09:10.between families and the state. At the moment families don't feel

:09:11. > :09:13.like they are getting the backup from health and social

:09:14. > :09:24.care services that they need. Britain's ageing population means

:09:25. > :09:26.that the proportion of older Age UK say today that elderly carers

:09:27. > :09:31.are already saving the Government They are calling on those

:09:32. > :09:36.savings to be reinvested in support services,

:09:37. > :09:38.to ensure that those carers do not suffer exhaustion, illness

:09:39. > :09:40.or financial strain. In response the Government

:09:41. > :09:44.has told us that it recognises the valuable contribution

:09:45. > :09:48.made by older unpaid carers, and asks that they engage with

:09:49. > :09:51.the Government in discussions over A headline in The Sun newspaper,

:09:52. > :10:02.that claimed the Queen supports Britain leaving the European Union,

:10:03. > :10:05.was "inaccurate", the Independent Press Standards

:10:06. > :10:08.Organisation has ruled. Buckingham Palace

:10:09. > :10:10.complained after claims were published in March

:10:11. > :10:12.that the Queen criticised the EU in meetings with the former deputy

:10:13. > :10:15.prime minister Nick Clegg. The press watchdog found

:10:16. > :10:17.that the while the article itself did not breach standards,

:10:18. > :10:19.its headline was The massive wildfires

:10:20. > :10:26.in Canada's Alberta province have cost the region more than half

:10:27. > :10:29.a billion pounds in oil sands An economic research organisation

:10:30. > :10:39.says 1.2 million barrels of oil were lost every day

:10:40. > :10:41.over two weeks. The oil producers affected

:10:42. > :10:43.are said to be among the biggest in the world,

:10:44. > :10:46.but efforts are continuing to get production up and running again

:10:47. > :10:48.as soon as possible. The fires, around the city

:10:49. > :10:50.of Fort McMurray, led to tens of thousands

:10:51. > :10:52.of homes being evacuated. In the US, the two candidates

:10:53. > :10:56.in the race to be the Democratic Presidential candidate have each

:10:57. > :10:58.won another primary. while Hillary Clinton has declared

:10:59. > :11:02.a narrow victory in Kentucky. Mrs Clinton remains the front-runner

:11:03. > :11:07.to secure the nomination in July. But Mr Sanders again resisted

:11:08. > :11:10.pressure to drop out of the race, saying he was "in until the last

:11:11. > :11:17.ballot is cast". The US Republican hopeful,

:11:18. > :11:19.Donald Trump, has said he's willing to meet the North Korean leader Kim

:11:20. > :11:23.Jong-un. Mr Trump indicated

:11:24. > :11:25.he would have talks about Pyongyang's nuclear programme

:11:26. > :11:28.- saying 'I would have no Such a meeting would mark

:11:29. > :11:32.a significant change of American policy towards

:11:33. > :11:38.the politically isolated regime. Train conductors on Southern are

:11:39. > :11:40.staging a second 24-hour walkout. There are no trains on some routes

:11:41. > :11:45.and a limited service on others. The strike by the RMT union

:11:46. > :11:48.began just after midnight and is part of a dispute over

:11:49. > :11:52.the role of guards. The union opposes a new on-board

:11:53. > :11:54.supervisor role and plans The operator, Govia Thameslink,

:11:55. > :12:02.said there would be no job losses or pay cuts

:12:03. > :12:06.and the action was 'unnecessary'. Talks to resolve differences over

:12:07. > :12:09.a new contract for junior doctors It's the eighth day of discussions

:12:10. > :12:14.since the British Medical Association and Department of Health

:12:15. > :12:16.officials returned to The talks followed a wave of strike

:12:17. > :12:21.action which saw thousands Do get in touch with us

:12:22. > :12:36.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:12:37. > :12:48.and if you text, you will be charged And the English Premier League

:12:49. > :12:53.season, finally over! Only two and a half months before it starts all

:12:54. > :12:58.over again. This was the match was abandoned before kick-off on Sunday,

:12:59. > :13:02.Manchester United beat Bournemouth 3-1, one of the best performances of

:13:03. > :13:07.their season, a slick move saw Wayne Rooney give them the lead and stop

:13:08. > :13:11.teenager Marcus Rashford celebrated his England call up with the second

:13:12. > :13:17.goal. They finished in fifth, good enough to go straight into the Roper

:13:18. > :13:22.league group stages next season, not really good enough for a club of

:13:23. > :13:26.that stature. They do have the FA Cup final against Crystal Palace on

:13:27. > :13:32.Saturday. Woodward in that be enough to keep the manager in the job? I

:13:33. > :13:39.can only say I have a contract of three years, and I want to fulfil my

:13:40. > :13:46.contract because the period is not over yet. Are you confident you will

:13:47. > :13:52.be here next season? Yes, otherwise I'm not the manager anymore. But I

:13:53. > :13:57.am still the manager. Remember all the fans from around the world who

:13:58. > :14:02.travelled thousands of miles to Old Trafford, devastated on Sunday that

:14:03. > :14:06.they would miss the match. One of them was Moses, who had never seen

:14:07. > :14:11.his team play live and he was due to fly back to Sierra Leone on Monday

:14:12. > :14:17.but he was at the match last night because Manchester United supporters

:14:18. > :14:21.trust raised some funds for him to get a later flight. He is now going

:14:22. > :14:26.back next week, and they have also found him a ticket to the FA Cup

:14:27. > :14:34.final at! I have worked OK with that. He's an airport security guard

:14:35. > :14:38.apparently. Liverpool could win the Europa League tonight, they are

:14:39. > :14:43.facing the winners of the last two years, Sevilla. It is their first

:14:44. > :14:47.European final in nine years. The bonus for the winners is a place in

:14:48. > :14:50.next season's Champions' League, probably more important than winning

:14:51. > :14:57.the trophy. Jurgen Klopp has told his players they can become legends

:14:58. > :15:04.and says they only to their plans. We know how much they want to win

:15:05. > :15:13.this cup. They showed us when we played at home, away from home. And

:15:14. > :15:18.I can promise we will try everything, everything. The problem

:15:19. > :15:19.is Sevilla will do the same. An open game, we have to play our best and

:15:20. > :15:33.then we will see. The Wii will be live in Basel just

:15:34. > :15:42.after ten a.m.. Still one more team to be promoted to the Premier League

:15:43. > :15:55.next season. It will be either whole or... How made difficult work of a

:15:56. > :16:01.game but made it through in the end. It was absolutely bonkers down in

:16:02. > :16:05.Sheffield on Wednesday. -- in Leicester on Wednesday and now they

:16:06. > :16:12.are being fated in Thailand. Cloud Errani area and his team worked

:16:13. > :16:17.greeted by jubilant scenes in Bangkok, where they are spending two

:16:18. > :16:22.days parading the Premier League trophy. It is the party that goes on

:16:23. > :16:26.and on and on. I will be back in about 20 minutes with the headlines.

:16:27. > :16:28.Prison reform, combating extremism and a possible increase

:16:29. > :16:31.to university tuition fees - just some of the things the Queen

:16:32. > :16:33.is expected to outline on behalf of the government

:16:34. > :16:38.But as well as being an important day in the political calendar

:16:39. > :16:41.with the opening of a new session of Parliament, it will also be a day

:16:42. > :16:44.for a grand display of pomp and splendour, from the moment

:16:45. > :16:46.Her Majesty arrives in her golden carriage.

:16:47. > :16:49.And then there's the Sword of State, the Cap of Maintenance

:16:50. > :18:03.One the most controversial announcements is expected to come

:18:04. > :18:06.in the form of the Bill of Rights, but what is it?

:18:07. > :18:08.For more than a decade the Conservatives have been talking

:18:09. > :18:11.about scrapping the Human Rights Act - a law that came in under

:18:12. > :18:19.is all about protecting a right to life,

:18:20. > :18:22.liberty and security, a fair trial and respect

:18:23. > :18:28.Its aim was to incorporate into UK law the rights contained in the

:18:29. > :18:35.It meant if you felt your human rights had been breached,

:18:36. > :18:38.you could hear your case in this country, rather than having to take

:18:39. > :18:41.it to Europe, to the European Court of Human Rights.

:18:42. > :18:43.So what's the government's problem with it?

:18:44. > :18:46.Being bound by the European Convention on Human Rights has led

:18:47. > :18:54.The UK's ban on prisoners voting,

:18:55. > :18:57.was judged to have been unlawful, and there was anger over a ruling

:18:58. > :18:59.that the radical Islamist cleric Abu Qatada shouldn't be deported

:19:00. > :19:02.to Jordan to face trial on terrorism charges.

:19:03. > :19:08.The European Court of Human Rights stated that under Article 6

:19:09. > :19:10.of the European Convention on Human Rights the UK could not

:19:11. > :19:13.lawfully deport Abu Qatada to Jordan, because of the risk that

:19:14. > :19:19.evidence would be used which had been obtained by torture.

:19:20. > :19:22.That was in 2012 - in the end though, Abu Qatada

:19:23. > :19:25.WAS deported - after the UK and Jordan signed an agreement

:19:26. > :19:26.preventing any evidence obtained through torture being

:19:27. > :19:32.The Home Secretary Theresa May said last month,

:19:33. > :19:33."the European Convention on Human Rights can bind

:19:34. > :19:38.Although interestingly it's thought a new bill here WON'T go

:19:39. > :19:40.as far as pulling out of the European Convention on Human

:19:41. > :19:44.There are plenty of people who don't think we need

:19:45. > :19:50.A group of people in the House of Lords last week asked

:19:51. > :19:52.the government to rethink its plans saying, from what it's seen

:19:53. > :19:56.of the plans so far, a watered down Bill of Rights

:19:57. > :20:00.won't actually be that different from the existing

:20:01. > :20:02.Human Rights Act anyway and it might damage our standing

:20:03. > :20:06.Meanwhile, some lawyers have argued scrapping the Act would be in breach

:20:07. > :20:09.of the Good Friday Agreement, a major part of the Northern Ireland

:20:10. > :20:15.So how could a Bill of Rights differ from the Human Rights Act?

:20:16. > :20:20.Keelan Gallagher is a human rights Barrister who opposes the Bill

:20:21. > :20:24.of Rights, Ann Thornber used the Human Rights Act to change

:20:25. > :20:29.the law after her son's suicide in custody, Martin Howe QC put

:20:30. > :20:33.together the most recent proposals for the Bill of Rights

:20:34. > :20:36.and Dr Michael Pinto-Duschinsky is a Holocaust survivor who thinks

:20:37. > :20:43.the Bill of Rights is nothing more than re-branding exercise.

:20:44. > :20:51.Welcome all of you. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:20:52. > :20:55.point having a new act - called a Bill of Rights,

:20:56. > :20:58.unless Brtiain pulls out of the European Convention on Human

:20:59. > :21:03.Do explain that clearly for our audience.

:21:04. > :21:11.The rights themselves, at family life, liberty, freedom of the press,

:21:12. > :21:17.are not in doubt. They wait to be watered down. The question is, who

:21:18. > :21:22.has the final say? Should it be judges? Should it be foreign judges

:21:23. > :21:32.or should it be Parliament? I think the view I hold is that the rights

:21:33. > :21:36.should be adjudicated by judges but in exceptional circumstances, there

:21:37. > :21:44.should be a Parliamentary override because we are a Parliamentary

:21:45. > :21:48.democracy. I don't think we have two pull-out of the European Convention

:21:49. > :21:52.on human rights. I am confident we can have an agreement on the court

:21:53. > :21:59.-- with the court in Strasbourg. Where the real problem lies is the

:22:00. > :22:06.imminent clash with the Court of Justice of the European Union in

:22:07. > :22:11.Luxembourg and as long as we remain within the European Union, we are

:22:12. > :22:14.going to find Parliament more and more constrained by this other

:22:15. > :22:21.court, which hasn't really come into the news. Let me bring in Martin

:22:22. > :22:23.Howe QC. As I understand it, you have helped to design the proposals

:22:24. > :22:28.for the British Bill of Rights. Does it still contain protection

:22:29. > :22:30.of family an private life, a right to life, liberty

:22:31. > :22:32.and security, a fair trial - why do we need one -

:22:33. > :22:37.what are the differences between the Human Rights Act

:22:38. > :22:47.and a British Bill of Rights? We have a longer tradition of

:22:48. > :22:50.protecting human rights than anywhere else in the world. Last

:22:51. > :22:55.month was the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta. That was just the

:22:56. > :23:01.start of the protection of rights under our law both by actions of

:23:02. > :23:06.people and actions of Parliament. The abolition of slavery was a

:23:07. > :23:13.milestone that had to be celebrated. What has happened... I think the

:23:14. > :23:17.problem with the European Convention, it isn't the convention

:23:18. > :23:22.itself, that contains a whole series of rights which everyone agrees with

:23:23. > :23:27.and I think there is no conception of threatening nose. The problem is,

:23:28. > :23:33.when you come to interpret the scope of rights in marginal cases, where

:23:34. > :23:38.they come up against other factors, like people's security or the right

:23:39. > :23:44.to privacy conflicting with the freedom of the press. Do you think

:23:45. > :23:48.British judges would interpret things differently to European

:23:49. > :23:56.judges? Yes, they would. This Strasbourg court has developed

:23:57. > :23:59.prudence over the last 40 or 50 years which has greatly extended or

:24:00. > :24:04.gone beyond what the convention actually says in a number of areas.

:24:05. > :24:08.And British judges wouldn't do that with a bill of rights? I think

:24:09. > :24:16.British judges would be more careful with a Bill of Rights. Why? Because

:24:17. > :24:19.I think they are much more prone to be cautious when it comes to looking

:24:20. > :24:23.at the actual wording that Parliament has laid down. Is there

:24:24. > :24:31.any evidence that British judges are more cautious? Indeed, absolutely

:24:32. > :24:33.so. Both European courts, both the Strasbourg court which does with

:24:34. > :24:45.human rights and the Luxembourg court which was just mentioned are

:24:46. > :24:49.extremely aggressive in the way they extend their interpret and this

:24:50. > :24:52.creates real conflict with democratic institutions. Let me

:24:53. > :25:00.bring in and Thornborough. You lost your son Edward Heath years ago. He

:25:01. > :25:05.was 17 when he took his own life after he was issued with a court

:25:06. > :25:10.summons for having 50p worth of cannabis. You have since used the

:25:11. > :25:15.Human Rights Act to change her 17-year-olds are treated in custody.

:25:16. > :25:19.Tell our audience about that. First and foremost, we were an ordinary

:25:20. > :25:23.family and if somebody had said to me years ago, you will be on the

:25:24. > :25:26.Victoria Derbyshire talking about the Human Rights Act I would have

:25:27. > :25:31.laughed, because I knew nothing about it. We were an ordinary family

:25:32. > :25:35.leading an ordinary life. I knew nothing about it until we were

:25:36. > :25:40.affected by our son's life. He went to Cornwall for a week's holiday, as

:25:41. > :25:43.you rightly say he was arrested for being in possession of the deep

:25:44. > :25:51.pence worth of cannabis. He was told by Devon and Cornwall police that he

:25:52. > :25:54.would get a final warning. Through a range of systemic failures by Devon

:25:55. > :26:00.and Cornwall police, he was issued with a court summons to appear in

:26:01. > :26:05.court in Cornwall. Not only was he issued with a court summons to

:26:06. > :26:10.appear in court, he was issued with a summons to appear in an adult

:26:11. > :26:15.court, and when all the paperwork was given to him, in error by the

:26:16. > :26:20.Greater Manchester Police, because they issued this to him while he was

:26:21. > :26:26.17, and neither my husband or I were present, in the bundle of papers

:26:27. > :26:31.with the two dates for different courts to appear in, what they

:26:32. > :26:36.sealed envelope to myself and my husband informing us of what had

:26:37. > :26:42.happened to Edward and that he was to appear in court. We never got

:26:43. > :26:45.that. Edward was 17, he was very confused, he was told he'd get a

:26:46. > :26:48.final warning and suddenly he had got to appear either in juvenile

:26:49. > :26:55.court or the adult court. We knew nothing about it until the next day

:26:56. > :27:02.when our son went to a local park and hung himself. At that age, at

:27:03. > :27:07.17, at that time, Edward could not go into a pub and by an alcoholic

:27:08. > :27:10.drink. He couldn't go to a movie and watch an X-rated film and he

:27:11. > :27:17.couldn't vote because he wasn't an adult. I was getting child benefit

:27:18. > :27:23.for my son. Child benefit. Not adult benefit. And yet, he was cheated --

:27:24. > :27:33.treated as an adult by the police force. 3D Human Rights Act, myself

:27:34. > :27:38.and my husband and another couple had the law changed so that

:27:39. > :27:45.17-year-olds, when they are arrested and all in police custody, their

:27:46. > :27:50.parents must be informed all the 17-year-old must have an appropriate

:27:51. > :27:56.adult with them. It won't bring my son back but hopefully, through the

:27:57. > :28:00.change, by the Human Rights Act, 17-year-olds are now better

:28:01. > :28:04.protected. What I want to say is, we couldn't have done this without the

:28:05. > :28:11.Human Rights Act. This was the lever for us to get the law changed. The

:28:12. > :28:14.present government had been talking about changing this anomaly in the

:28:15. > :28:20.law but they never did anything about it until they had to do it as

:28:21. > :28:26.the outcome of the judge in the High Court. Do you think a British bill

:28:27. > :28:30.of rights will replicate the Human Rights Act? I don't think -- I don't

:28:31. > :28:35.know what the difference would be, in all honesty. It sounds like a

:28:36. > :28:47.difference anyway judges would interpret it. Let me bring in K

:28:48. > :28:51.Gallacher. And made such a good point. You don't really know about

:28:52. > :28:55.the Human Rights Act until you need it. Can you give me some more

:28:56. > :28:58.examples of where people have used it and whether you think a British

:28:59. > :29:02.Bill of Rights could be used in the same way? First of all, I worked

:29:03. > :29:16.with the families of 317-year-old who took their own lives, two sets

:29:17. > :29:22.of parents of sons and one of a daughter, so at a low point in their

:29:23. > :29:25.lives they are arrested, given no support that would have been

:29:26. > :29:32.available to 16-year-olds and younger, and to all three of those

:29:33. > :29:37.children, we know now that that felt like the end of their lives. They

:29:38. > :29:40.had no support because their parents weren't brought into the equation

:29:41. > :29:44.and unfortunately in all of those cases, they could see no way out.

:29:45. > :29:48.One of the amazing thing is these ordinary families have done is they

:29:49. > :29:53.have used the Human Rights Act to change the law. There are many other

:29:54. > :29:57.examples. I work every day with bereaved families who need to use

:29:58. > :30:01.the Human Rights Act to force the government to give them answers.

:30:02. > :30:06.Poor example, I have just acted with a bereaved family at the

:30:07. > :30:09.Hillsborough inquest and though they have the news, what isn't very clear

:30:10. > :30:13.is that the only reason they got the second inquest is because of the

:30:14. > :30:20.humans rights act will stop from article two, the right to life.

:30:21. > :30:24.There is a proud tradition of human rights in this country for many

:30:25. > :30:29.centuries but unfortunately, it wasn't until we had the Human Rights

:30:30. > :30:31.Act that actually the old 1990 verdict in the inquests of

:30:32. > :30:36.accidental death could be challenged effectively by those families and am

:30:37. > :30:41.and Adrian and ordinary people knew nothing about it until they needed

:30:42. > :30:45.it. They came together to do a poster campaign so that people here

:30:46. > :30:50.and here about ordinary stories like that, because really, the people you

:30:51. > :30:56.mentioned in your opening piece, Abu Qatada, prisoners voting, both of

:30:57. > :30:59.those are widely misunderstood. They are the cases that hit the headlines

:31:00. > :31:04.and people misunderstand what it does.

:31:05. > :31:11.It is of course right that under the Human Rights Act, there is a right

:31:12. > :31:16.against torture, which applies to everyone, including unpopular

:31:17. > :31:18.people. It is wrong to say that the European Court of Human Rights

:31:19. > :31:27.stopped Abu Qatada being deported or that the Human Rights Act stop him

:31:28. > :31:31.being deported. He was deported as soon as Jordan gave a guarantee they

:31:32. > :31:34.would not rather than evidence obtained through torture. It was

:31:35. > :31:39.entirely right and possible to do it. In terms of a British Bill of

:31:40. > :31:42.Rights if it replaces the Human Rights Act, presumably there will be

:31:43. > :31:50.the right not to be tortured? Indeed. So the same thing might have

:31:51. > :31:54.happened with Abu Qatada. There is a difference there because the problem

:31:55. > :32:01.in his case was that his deportation was held up for years by continuous

:32:02. > :32:09.changing of the goalposts by the Strasbourg courts. That decision

:32:10. > :32:12.departed from previous Strasbourg court decisions. The issue there was

:32:13. > :32:16.not to do with him being at risk of torture, it was to do with the

:32:17. > :32:21.judicial process in Jordan and the safeguards there. Never before had

:32:22. > :32:26.the Strasbourg court said that was a barrier against deportation and

:32:27. > :32:30.suddenly changed. I think there is a misunderstanding from what has been

:32:31. > :32:33.said on the screen and also by Martin because the suggestion is

:32:34. > :32:38.that somehow the European Court of Human Rights, because of the Human

:32:39. > :32:41.Rights Act, it undermines parliamentary sovereignty and UK

:32:42. > :32:46.courts don't get to have the final say, and that's simply not right.

:32:47. > :32:52.Under the Human Rights Act, UK courts do have the final say. One of

:32:53. > :32:55.the things people find confusing is that first of all, as was said on

:32:56. > :33:01.the screen, what we may be getting is a rebranding exercise which won't

:33:02. > :33:06.make a difference. If it is to make a difference, the fact that and

:33:07. > :33:12.relied on is the kind of right which would be undermined. A final word

:33:13. > :33:17.from you are disagreeing that British judges have the final say?

:33:18. > :33:25.Actually, that last remark was incorrect. But when Strasberg rules

:33:26. > :33:33.according to our agreement with Strasbourg, it has the final say and

:33:34. > :33:39.not Parliament. Because we are obliged to implement the Strasbourg

:33:40. > :33:45.ruling. I am very much in favour of the Strasbourg judges in 99% of the

:33:46. > :33:51.cases, I have very warm feelings towards them. But in the exceptional

:33:52. > :33:57.case, Parliament must be allowed to have the final say. I'm going to

:33:58. > :34:03.stop you there. I just want to say that the Human Rights Act has had a

:34:04. > :34:07.lot of adverse publicity. Will talk about Abu Qatada, the right of

:34:08. > :34:12.prisoners to vote but what people need to realise is that human rights

:34:13. > :34:15.are there for everybody, for Joe Public and ordinary people like

:34:16. > :34:21.myself, and we never know when we might need it. Let's keep the right

:34:22. > :34:36.to read and remove the abuses. Thank you so much.

:34:37. > :34:47.It looks like I'm standing in the gardens! No, I am on-board Harmony

:34:48. > :34:50.of the Seas. She is big and heavy! She is long, more than three and a

:34:51. > :34:55.half football pitches long. We are about to talk to the big boss, the

:34:56. > :35:02.captain of the ship and find out what it's like to be in charge of

:35:03. > :35:05.the world's biggest cruise ship. Also, looking at whether you would

:35:06. > :35:30.be better or worse off if we voted to leave the EU.

:35:31. > :35:36.It is thought a new Bill of Rights won't go as far as pulling out of

:35:37. > :35:37.the European Convention on Human Rights. There will also be measures

:35:38. > :35:41.on prison reform. A headline in The Sun newspaper,

:35:42. > :35:44.that claimed the Queen supports Britain leaving the European Union,

:35:45. > :35:45.was "inaccurate", the Independent Press Standards

:35:46. > :35:47.Organisation has ruled. Buckingham Palace

:35:48. > :35:50.complained after claims were published in March

:35:51. > :35:52.that the Queen criticised the EU in meetings with the former deputy

:35:53. > :35:55.prime minister Nick Clegg. The press watchdog found

:35:56. > :35:57.that the while the article itself did not breach standards,

:35:58. > :35:59.its headline was It's claimed there's been a steep

:36:00. > :36:17.rise in the number of people aged over 80 in the UK

:36:18. > :36:20.who are acting as carers. The Charity Age UK suggests that

:36:21. > :36:23.numbers have increased by nearly 40 per cent in the last seven years,

:36:24. > :36:28.to more than four hundred thousand. Talks to resolve differences over

:36:29. > :36:31.a new contract for junior doctors It's the eighth day of discussions

:36:32. > :36:34.since the British Medical Association and Department of Health

:36:35. > :36:36.officials returned to The talks followed a wave of strike

:36:37. > :36:40.action which saw thousands The dispute is over pay and weekend

:36:41. > :36:51.hours. Train conductors on Southern are

:36:52. > :36:54.staging a second 24-hour walkout. There are no trains on some routes

:36:55. > :36:57.and a limited service on others. The strike by the RMT union

:36:58. > :36:59.began just after midnight and is part of a dispute over

:37:00. > :37:02.the role of guards. The union opposes a new on-board

:37:03. > :37:04.supervisor role and plans The operator, Govia Thameslink,

:37:05. > :37:08.said there would be no job losses or pay cuts

:37:09. > :37:24.and the action was 'unnecessary'. More from me at ten a.m.. Now the

:37:25. > :37:30.sport. The Premier League season is finally over, Manchester United beat

:37:31. > :37:34.Bournemouth 3-1 last night in their rearranged match. Sunday's picture

:37:35. > :37:39.was abandoned because of the bomb scare. Marcus Rashford scored the

:37:40. > :37:42.second. They finished fifth in the table, good enough to go straight

:37:43. > :37:48.into the euro per league group stages next season. Liverpool could

:37:49. > :37:53.win that competition tonight, they are facing the winners from the past

:37:54. > :37:58.two seasons, Sevilla. It is Liverpool's first European final in

:37:59. > :38:06.nine years. The Championship play-off final will be between Hull

:38:07. > :38:11.City and Sheffield Wednesday. Hull City lost 2-0 last night to Derby

:38:12. > :38:21.County but made it 3-2 on aggregate. Maria Sharapova is in London for her

:38:22. > :38:27.doping test. She can expect a suspension of up to 12 months. Five

:38:28. > :38:28.more medals at the European swimming the big ships at London's aquatic

:38:29. > :38:34.centre last night. I am back with that in Switzerland

:38:35. > :38:42.just after ten. It's got 23 swimming pools,

:38:43. > :38:47.20 restaurants and can hold up Harmony of the Seas

:38:48. > :38:50.is the world's newest It will be based in

:38:51. > :38:53.the Mediterranean during the summer Aaron Heslehurst is in Southampton

:38:54. > :39:09.where she's berthed. Look at you with your funky glasses

:39:10. > :39:12.on! You think we would be in the Caribbean! You have to send to

:39:13. > :39:19.Southampton! It is bucketing by the way. This is a monster, to me six

:39:20. > :39:24.hours to find this location this morning, I was lost on the ship, 24

:39:25. > :39:28.innovators stop it doesn't look like I'm am on-board the world's biggest

:39:29. > :39:38.cruise ship but believe you me, I am. 10,500 plants, 52 trees. 11,500

:39:39. > :39:45.pieces of artwork. The numbers are staggering. You add that number of

:39:46. > :39:53.passengers to 2100 Crew, you talking about a ship out at sea with nearly

:39:54. > :40:04.9000 people on board. She is heavy, 227,000 tonnes. I did my mouth, it's

:40:05. > :40:07.15,133 double-decker buses. I put along something we put together

:40:08. > :40:08.earlier so you can have a look around the world's biggest cruise

:40:09. > :40:10.ship. I've got about a minute to show

:40:11. > :40:14.you some of the top features There's pools, there's jacuzzis,

:40:15. > :40:20.there's water slides. You can even go

:40:21. > :40:22.surfing on this ship. Now, the ship's not for everybody,

:40:23. > :40:27.but I tell you what, if you like a little crazy golf,

:40:28. > :40:30.it is on-board. Now, at the back of the ship

:40:31. > :40:34.there is a monstrous slide. You see, I told you it was

:40:35. > :40:39.a monstrous slide, quite literally. This thing takes you down from deck

:40:40. > :40:43.17 to deck six in 12 seconds. Still doing some finishing touches

:40:44. > :40:56.before she sets sail on her maiden voyage,

:40:57. > :40:58.but you know there are 20 different You have got everything from fine

:40:59. > :41:03.dining to buffets to, well, Mexican You've got burger joints,

:41:04. > :41:06.you've got cafes, you've even got Yes, Jamie Oliver's restaurant

:41:07. > :41:11.on this ship. Well, you're not going to go thirsty

:41:12. > :41:21.on the world's biggest cruise ship. Oh, and of course, a good journalist

:41:22. > :41:27.in the name of research, it has to be done, and this one,

:41:28. > :41:30.you don't even have That is the tour on the world's

:41:31. > :41:38.biggest cruise ship. It's time for me to settle

:41:39. > :41:40.down in my state room. There are 2747 of them on-board

:41:41. > :42:02.the ship and for me, See? A lot of research done! Let me

:42:03. > :42:11.introduce Gus Anderson, the captain of the ship. You are Swedish. You

:42:12. > :42:18.really look at this ship and say... Fantastic! How do you get to be

:42:19. > :42:23.captain? You put in a knot of tickets! I have been at Sever 27

:42:24. > :42:28.years and the last 15 with Royal Caribbean. I have been stepping up

:42:29. > :42:33.on the different classes of ships and the last five years I have been

:42:34. > :42:41.captain with Royal. Royal Caribbean, this is their sixth largest... The

:42:42. > :42:45.sixth largest ship in the world. Do people really want this? 9000 people

:42:46. > :42:50.at sea, do you really want to be on board ship like this? Absolutely. We

:42:51. > :42:55.have a lot of demand for ships like this and if we didn't, we wouldn't

:42:56. > :43:00.be building them. Some other competitors are building a lot of

:43:01. > :43:07.ships. It is a big growing industry, going on cruises. What you do with

:43:08. > :43:20.unruly passengers? Looks up, throw away the key! Not overboard! Family

:43:21. > :43:22.people have you wait? Two. Being captain of the world's biggest

:43:23. > :43:31.cruise ship, does that reflect in the pay packet? No, it disappears to

:43:32. > :43:35.my wife just as fast. People will be surprised that when you are sailing

:43:36. > :43:42.this ship and steering you are using a little file, and mouse? Yes, like

:43:43. > :43:48.a little joystick, to control the autopilot, it's about two inches

:43:49. > :43:57.high. That's it. We were talking later on! Thank you. Just to let you

:43:58. > :44:01.know, people retire at cyclic costs you've $3500 for assisted living,

:44:02. > :44:10.monthly rent on land, you can do it on CD for about $3000 a month. I

:44:11. > :44:12.would hate to be at huge ship I think!

:44:13. > :44:15.Have you decided how you're going to vote in the Referendum

:44:16. > :44:18.on whether the UK should remain or leave the European Union?

:44:19. > :44:20.Most people seem to have made up their mind -

:44:21. > :44:22.if you haven't, you have five weeks to decide.

:44:23. > :44:26.Every week in the run up to the big day we're looking at various issues

:44:27. > :44:31.One of the main questions is - would you be better off or worse off

:44:32. > :44:37.Stronger In, the official campaign to remain in the EU argues: Almost

:44:38. > :44:39.one million UK jobs would be lost by leaving the EU.

:44:40. > :44:42.The Treasury says the economy would shrink by 6% by

:44:43. > :44:47.2030, the equivalent to ?4300 per household.

:44:48. > :44:53.leading to ?36 billion shortfall in finances.

:44:54. > :44:55.Quite a few people didn't question the maths behind that figure

:44:56. > :45:03.To counter act that, the official campaign

:45:04. > :45:06.to leave the EU, Vote Leave, says the EU costs us

:45:07. > :45:11.The UK Statistics Authority says that figure is 'potentially

:45:12. > :45:14.misleading' because it doesn't take into account the money Britain gets

:45:15. > :45:17.back in the form of a rebate, grants for farmers and poorer

:45:18. > :45:34.According to Vote Leave we spend 60 times more money

:45:35. > :45:37.on Brussels than we spend on our NHS Cancer Drugs Fund.

:45:38. > :45:40.Vote Leave also say that over half our laws are made by unelected

:45:41. > :45:42.officials in Brussels - costing British tax payers

:45:43. > :45:46.We now speak to the former Business Secretary Sir Vince Cable

:45:47. > :45:48.who is campaigning to remain in the EU and James Cleverly,

:45:49. > :45:50.Conservative MP for Braintree who is campaigning to leave.

:45:51. > :45:58.Welcome, both of you. Why do you say how audience would be better off

:45:59. > :46:03.debate to stay in the EU? In terms of the boat -- the comments you have

:46:04. > :46:12.just made, and the large amounts of jobs, I spent five years dealing

:46:13. > :46:17.with huge companies in Britain and these companies, American, German,

:46:18. > :46:21.Japanese, the rest of it, they all told me that they invested their

:46:22. > :46:26.money in the UK, creating large numbers of jobs both to the supply

:46:27. > :46:29.companies and themselves, partly because they liked Britain and

:46:30. > :46:34.thought we were a good place to be, but also because they have

:46:35. > :46:38.unrestricted access to operate within the European Union and the

:46:39. > :46:42.single market. They worry that if we left, those arrangements would be

:46:43. > :46:46.put at risk. Some of them are saying they would run down their activities

:46:47. > :46:52.and some are not. There are a lot of livelihoods at stake. Why would

:46:53. > :46:59.people watching be better off if they vote to leave? Britain has

:47:00. > :47:03.always been a trading nation. We have always traded successfully with

:47:04. > :47:07.the whole world. The new countries are some of the slowest growing

:47:08. > :47:12.countries in the world and we could and should be doing business

:47:13. > :47:15.globally with all these fast growth economies but we are limited in our

:47:16. > :47:22.ability to do that because of our membership of the year. If we want

:47:23. > :47:28.to trade with the world, we would be better off as a country. Vince

:47:29. > :47:31.Cable, if we stay in, how do we control immigration? The reason I am

:47:32. > :47:35.asking that is because in the interests of posterity, when

:47:36. > :47:42.immigration increases the working age population by 1%, that decreases

:47:43. > :47:50.the wages of the lowest percent by one point 6%. The migration we had

:47:51. > :47:55.from the European Union when I was in post was good for the economy and

:47:56. > :48:05.didn't affect the wages of people here. Most of the people coming, the

:48:06. > :48:09.young people who come to work, they pay tax, make very little use of

:48:10. > :48:15.services and there is a very big contribution to the economy. Stuart

:48:16. > :48:21.Rose, who everyone knows is the ex-boss of Marks Spencer 's, said

:48:22. > :48:29.wages would rise if we left the EEA you. I would dispute that and one of

:48:30. > :48:34.the almost certain consequences which mark Carney has been warning

:48:35. > :48:39.us of is that if we did leave, there would be a lot of uncertainty.

:48:40. > :48:43.Nobody in the business world would know what would happen for several

:48:44. > :48:47.years and under those conditions, we are more likely to get a recession

:48:48. > :48:53.and in a recession, a slowdown in the economy or a falling economy,

:48:54. > :49:01.actually people's wages were dropped and that is a risk. James cleverly,

:49:02. > :49:06.we mention the governor of the Bank of England, he has said that this

:49:07. > :49:11.could drive up the cost of your mortgage if we leave the EU. It is

:49:12. > :49:15.interesting saying that the heads of big business are saying one thing

:49:16. > :49:21.and we should listen to them... This is the Governor of the Bank of

:49:22. > :49:26.England. Yes, but you say Stuart Rose said leaving be you would help

:49:27. > :49:34.with wages, and we are saying we should ignore that. One of the

:49:35. > :49:38.things that strikes me is that these big institutions with our would-be

:49:39. > :49:43.terrible to legally you are the same institutions who told us it would be

:49:44. > :49:51.catastrophic for the economy if we didn't join the year row and the it

:49:52. > :49:54.now. But some of them aren't. On peoples mortgages, the governor of

:49:55. > :50:00.the Bank of England said leaving the EU could drive up the cost of your

:50:01. > :50:11.mortgage. I don't agree. So when it suits you, you don't agree? One of

:50:12. > :50:19.many multinationals... This is the bank of England. The bank of England

:50:20. > :50:25.is an important institution but it has got its prediction spectacularly

:50:26. > :50:30.wrong over and over again. That is fine if they have but why are your

:50:31. > :50:40.predictions right? I am not making predictions. No, you said people

:50:41. > :50:48.would be better off if we stayed in the EU -- if we left the EU. No,

:50:49. > :50:53.what I said was that we have been our most economically successful

:50:54. > :50:58.when independent. I cannot predict the future and neither can anyone

:50:59. > :51:02.else. On that point, Vince Cable, it is really hard for anybody to give

:51:03. > :51:07.fact because no one is able to do that. Because none of us know what

:51:08. > :51:12.the future holds. We are having to make judgments. To take your point

:51:13. > :51:17.about mortgages, why the Governor of the Bank of England said that, there

:51:18. > :51:22.is an expectation in the city when dealing with foreign exchange that

:51:23. > :51:25.one of the consequences of leaving is that the sterling exchange rate

:51:26. > :51:31.would fall. In other words, you would get less year rose or dollars

:51:32. > :51:35.for your sterling. That would push up the prices in the shops and in

:51:36. > :51:39.order to stop that happening, the Governor of the Bank of England puts

:51:40. > :51:46.up interest rates, meaning mortgages cost more. That was the logic he was

:51:47. > :51:50.explaining. Not true, you say? You can't have it both ways. We are

:51:51. > :51:55.saying Brexit would push down the value of sterling, and if that was

:51:56. > :51:57.the case it would make UK exports cheaper and we would be better at

:51:58. > :52:06.trading with the world. You can't have it both ways. Also, if interest

:52:07. > :52:10.rates which have been at a record late -- a record low rate for a long

:52:11. > :52:16.time, it is going to happen that interest rates will creep up. Many

:52:17. > :52:19.of your viewers who are savers who have been getting nothing would find

:52:20. > :52:22.they get more interest on their savings which they can then spend in

:52:23. > :52:27.the shops. You can't have it both ways. You can't say are depressed

:52:28. > :52:29.sterling is bad news when it can be good news.

:52:30. > :52:33.And you are very welcome to take part in one of our big TV audience

:52:34. > :52:38.In the first of all the TV debates, we're live in Glasgow on the 26th

:52:39. > :52:42.If that's you and you can get to Glasgow from wherever

:52:43. > :52:43.you are in the UK, do

:52:44. > :52:46.email victoria@bbc.co.uk to have your chance to quiz senior

:52:47. > :52:51.politicians from the Leave and Remain campaigns.

:52:52. > :52:53.The debate will be broadcast live on BBC One at 8pm.

:52:54. > :52:56.And on the 6th June, we're in Manchester for another debate

:52:57. > :53:00.It's open to everyone and will take place in our normal airtime

:53:01. > :53:19.The latest figures show that unemployment has fallen a little bit

:53:20. > :53:24.but there is evidence that the job market could be cooling off. We will

:53:25. > :53:29.speak to Stephen Crabb in just a minute but first, Ben Thompson.

:53:30. > :53:33.There is not a huge amount to get up site -- excited about at the moment.

:53:34. > :53:42.The headline rate is staying stubbornly at 5.1%. The number of

:53:43. > :53:46.people out of work fell by 2000 in the first three months of the year.

:53:47. > :53:51.The bit we can get a little bit excited about is that earnings still

:53:52. > :53:58.aren't rising very quickly. None of us have had pay rises in a very long

:53:59. > :54:02.time. They are going up by 2.1%, not as quick as many expected. They

:54:03. > :54:08.thought it would raise more quickly. We would have more money in our

:54:09. > :54:11.pockets. Yesterday, we had inflation figures and inflation gives us an

:54:12. > :54:19.idea of how quickly prices are rising. We want to be in a position

:54:20. > :54:25.where prices are rising slowly and inflation is going up so that we

:54:26. > :54:28.have more money in our pockets. That is one of the concerns. I keep very

:54:29. > :54:31.much, Ben. Let's speak now to Stephen Crabb,

:54:32. > :54:46.the Minister for Work and Pensions. How do you react to this fall in

:54:47. > :54:53.figures? These are very in Courage Inc. It has been a challenging start

:54:54. > :54:56.to the year with turbulence at the start of the year and people web

:54:57. > :55:01.addicting we would see an increase in unemployment again, so seeing

:55:02. > :55:04.that it is continuing to fall with record rates of people in

:55:05. > :55:09.employment, that is really encouraging and we will take that,

:55:10. > :55:18.thank you. It doesn't continue to fall. Last year -- last month we saw

:55:19. > :55:25.that it raised by 20 1000. It has dropped 2000 by then. I said last

:55:26. > :55:31.month that you can't take a single month as a snapshot of the trend.

:55:32. > :55:38.Today's figures demonstrate that the UK continues to generate new jobs

:55:39. > :55:42.and we are in a relatively healthy position. We are not complacent

:55:43. > :55:48.about what the challenges are and as unemployment continues to fall, what

:55:49. > :55:51.you are left with are people who are unemployed but a greater proportion

:55:52. > :55:57.of them have got serious barriers to work. People sometimes with drug

:55:58. > :56:04.addiction, alcoholism is, mental health barriers, so we need to work

:56:05. > :56:09.to get people into work. There has been a lot of healthy movement in

:56:10. > :56:13.the labour market over the last few years and certain parts of the

:56:14. > :56:21.country have got almost full employment. We are not complacent.

:56:22. > :56:27.There are still 750,000 unemployed people who could be getting jobs at

:56:28. > :56:33.the moment, as the opportunities are there. We need to help them. Where

:56:34. > :56:40.have we got zero unemployment? There are parts of England with very high

:56:41. > :56:45.employment rates and when I travel around the country, one of the

:56:46. > :56:50.common themes I get, particularly in the south-east, is that we need more

:56:51. > :56:54.workers. There isn't a readily available pool of accessible labour

:56:55. > :56:58.to fill the jobs which are created. That is one of the reasons we see an

:56:59. > :57:03.increase in the number of foreign workers who come to the country

:57:04. > :57:07.because the ECB economy -- the EU economy does have its shortages.

:57:08. > :57:10.Last month, you told us you thought uncertainty linked to the EU

:57:11. > :57:16.referendum could potentially be putting companies off

:57:17. > :57:31.How angry are your side with Boris Johnson after he accused David

:57:32. > :57:41.Cameron of collusion with big business? We are in a heated part of

:57:42. > :57:46.the campaign. This is getting nasty between you and your colleagues. The

:57:47. > :57:49.rhetoric is not healthy and doesn't add to the debate and a lot of the

:57:50. > :57:53.people who have not yet made up their mind about what they think of

:57:54. > :57:59.our membership log term of the European Union are looking for

:58:00. > :58:02.high-quality debate. It is incumbent on those on both sides of the

:58:03. > :58:08.argument to choose their words carefully and raise the tone of the

:58:09. > :58:15.debate, drag it down. Thank you very much, Mr Crabb. Coming up now, the

:58:16. > :58:19.weather. Wherever you are today, take your brolly. It is going to be

:58:20. > :58:26.wet. Many of us are looking at heavy rain or heavy showers. This picture

:58:27. > :58:31.belies the point. This is Herefordshire. Birds sitting in the

:58:32. > :58:35.rain. You can see how wet the paving slabs are in Kettering. This one

:58:36. > :58:41.really tells its own story from Nottinghamshire. A wet start to the

:58:42. > :58:46.day for many areas. The rain will still be happy for a time, followed

:58:47. > :58:50.by heavy showers. It is going to be wet and you will notice the showers

:58:51. > :58:54.this afternoon will be slow-moving, some will be torrential and indeed

:58:55. > :58:57.there will be some hail and thunder invented within them as well. This

:58:58. > :59:05.is what has happened this morning. Bands of way moving -- rain moving

:59:06. > :59:09.west to east. Surface water and spray on the roads as a result of

:59:10. > :59:13.this. Followed by a lot of showers. The rain in the West of Scotland

:59:14. > :59:17.continuing to edge northwards but the worst of the rain today will be

:59:18. > :59:25.in the West, particularly in northern Ireland. -- the best of the

:59:26. > :59:29.weather today will be in the West. It will still be some showers

:59:30. > :59:34.around, with low cloud around the Murray that area as well. As we come

:59:35. > :59:42.into northern England, it we are looking at some Sunnis files, but

:59:43. > :59:53.with -- some sunny spells, but with heavy showers moving slowly and not

:59:54. > :59:56.far away. For south-west England and for Wales, brighter skies this

:59:57. > :00:00.afternoon, but still just a view showers here and there. Through the

:00:01. > :00:05.evening and into the overnight period, most of the showers will

:00:06. > :00:12.fade. However, we hang onto sun across northern Scotland and also

:00:13. > :00:15.some patchy mist and fog. For England and Wales, we also see low

:00:16. > :00:20.cloud developed and still some patchy mist and fog as well. Where

:00:21. > :00:25.the cloud breaks, perhaps in the north-west, you might get lucky and

:00:26. > :00:30.see the odd pocket of frost -- unlucky. The next Weatherford comes

:00:31. > :00:35.from the Atlantic introducing quite a lot of rain across Northern

:00:36. > :00:42.Ireland initially, getting into north-west England and the

:00:43. > :00:46.south-west the date continues. Very dry for much of the day with

:00:47. > :00:51.temperatures up to 20 degrees for parts, and as we head on free

:00:52. > :00:57.Thursday evening, that rain eventually gets over to the east, so

:00:58. > :01:03.the rush-hour will be fairly easy -- fairly wet. As we move from Thursday

:01:04. > :01:06.into Friday, a lot of dry weather to start the day, showers in Northern

:01:07. > :01:11.Ireland and England, some going into Wales, with temperatures up to 20.

:01:12. > :01:19.Good morning. It is Wednesday, ten a.m., welcome to the programme.

:01:20. > :01:22.Our top story today - the government's plans for the next

:01:23. > :01:24.twelve months are set out by the Queen this morning -

:01:25. > :01:26.including an overhaul of human rights legislation

:01:27. > :01:27.and unprecedented new powers for prison governors

:01:28. > :01:29.There are hardly any professional sportsmen and women

:01:30. > :01:33.Is it because they fear homophobia from the fans

:01:34. > :01:48.Here is what Tom Bosworth told me. In sport, I don't think being gay is

:01:49. > :01:55.still a normal thing. Here's Sophie Long in the BBC

:01:56. > :02:02.Newsroom with a summary of the news. The Queen will set out

:02:03. > :02:05.the government's plans In an address to

:02:06. > :02:08.Parliament this morning. They're expected to include plans

:02:09. > :02:11.for a British Bill of Rights - though it's thought a new bill

:02:12. > :02:14.WON'T go as far as pulling out of the European Convention

:02:15. > :02:16.on Human Rights. There'll also be measures

:02:17. > :02:21.on prison reform. A headline in The Sun newspaper,

:02:22. > :02:23.that claimed the Queen supports Britain leaving the European Union,

:02:24. > :02:25.was "inaccurate", the Independent Press Standards

:02:26. > :02:37.Organisation has ruled. The press watchdog found

:02:38. > :02:40.that the while the article itself did not breach standards,

:02:41. > :02:54.its headline was There been another slight fall in

:02:55. > :03:01.unemployment, dropped by 2000 to 1.69 million between January and

:03:02. > :03:08.March. The ONS said the of people in work is at a record high of 74.2%.

:03:09. > :03:15.The Work And Pensions Secretary told the programme it was welcome news.

:03:16. > :03:18.It has been telling the start of the year with lots of turbulence in

:03:19. > :03:23.global markets and had been eating we would see unemployed increase, so

:03:24. > :03:28.seeing an opponent continues to fall and we still have record rates of

:03:29. > :03:31.employment, people going out to work every day across the UK, that's

:03:32. > :03:35.encouraging and we will take that, thank you.

:03:36. > :03:38.The charity Age UK says there's been a steep rise in the number of people

:03:39. > :03:40.aged over 80 who are acting as unpaid carers.

:03:41. > :03:43.A study by the charity suggests that numbers have increased by nearly 40

:03:44. > :03:46.per cent in the last seven years, to more than 400,000.

:03:47. > :03:49.Most are supporting a spouse but others are looking after children.

:03:50. > :03:54.Age UK wants the government to do more to support them.

:03:55. > :03:56.Train conductors on Southern are staging a second 24-hour walkout.

:03:57. > :03:59.There are no trains on some routes and a limited service on others.

:04:00. > :04:02.The strike by the RMT union began just after midnight

:04:03. > :04:04.and is part of a dispute over the role of guards.

:04:05. > :04:07.The union opposes a new on-board supervisor role and plans

:04:08. > :04:11.The operator, Govia Thameslink, said there would be no job losses

:04:12. > :04:16.or pay cuts and called the action 'unnecessary'.

:04:17. > :04:22.Talks to resolve differences over a new contract for junior doctors

:04:23. > :04:26.It's the eighth day of discussions since the British Medical

:04:27. > :04:29.Association and Department of Health officials returned to

:04:30. > :04:33.The talks followed a wave of strike action which saw thousands

:04:34. > :04:51.We are looking ahead to Europa League final for Liverpool. They

:04:52. > :04:54.finished eighth in the Premier League but if they win tonight

:04:55. > :04:59.against Sevilla, they will get a place in the Champions' League next

:05:00. > :05:04.season. Let's cross live to lace macro in Switzerland. It has been

:05:05. > :05:11.much maligned down the years, the Europa League, but it feels like a

:05:12. > :05:17.big deal, just a shame that the stadium isn't a lot bigger problem

:05:18. > :05:20.is Liverpool fans. Yes, good morning, the Liverpool fans have

:05:21. > :05:26.started gathering here, it's going to be the main Liverpool fans's

:05:27. > :05:31.meeting point in the middle of Basel, it's a small city, that

:05:32. > :05:36.stadium just two miles from here has a capacity of just over 30 8000.

:05:37. > :05:42.There were only be around 11,000 Liverpool fans inside the stadium,

:05:43. > :05:46.only 7000 Sevilla fans, are very small stadium for a game of this

:05:47. > :05:52.magnitude. Fans are being urged to come here to the centre of the town,

:05:53. > :05:57.they have erected a big screen, they are gathering in the middle of town.

:05:58. > :06:01.They are urged to stay here and not travel towards the stadium.

:06:02. > :06:07.Checkpoints between here and the stadium, we remember the events in

:06:08. > :06:10.Paris in November, things are serious in terms of security, fans

:06:11. > :06:14.are being urged to stay in the centre of town if they don't have a

:06:15. > :06:20.ticket. Liverpool are favourites but Sevilla have become experts in this

:06:21. > :06:24.competition. Liverpool haven't had a great season, they go in their

:06:25. > :06:31.finishing eighth in the league. They've already lost one cup final

:06:32. > :06:35.this season. Jurgen Klopp has lost four of his last five finals,

:06:36. > :06:39.including the League Cup earlier this season but Sevilla haven't had

:06:40. > :06:47.a great season, they finished seventh in La Liga. For both teams,

:06:48. > :06:50.huge magnitude, a place in the Champions' League. The Sevilla coach

:06:51. > :06:54.said, one game to put yourself in the Champions' League doesn't come

:06:55. > :07:00.along very often and you have to take it. Jurgen Klopp has urged his

:07:01. > :07:04.players to go out and enjoy the experience, we know what a relaxed

:07:05. > :07:09.character he is. He has told the fans, stay in Basel, it's a

:07:10. > :07:12.beautiful town, enjoyed the experience. The police chief is

:07:13. > :07:16.saying the same post he expects 40,000 fans will be in town but is

:07:17. > :07:25.confident the police can handle 100,000 if they were here. If you do

:07:26. > :07:28.run the game and put themselves in the Champions' League next season,

:07:29. > :07:35.this place will erupt. It looks lovely there! The Premier League

:07:36. > :07:39.season is over, this was the match abandoned before kick-off because of

:07:40. > :07:44.the fake bomb scare on Sunday, Manchester United beat Bournemouth

:07:45. > :07:49.3-1 last night, one of their best performances of the season. A slick

:07:50. > :07:54.move so rarely given the lead and Rashford celebrated his England call

:07:55. > :07:59.up with the second goal. They finished fifth, good enough to go

:08:00. > :08:03.straight into the Europa League group stages next season. One

:08:04. > :08:06.wanting to be promoted to the Premier League, Sheffield Wednesday

:08:07. > :08:14.and Hull City will contest the play-off final at Wembley -- one

:08:15. > :08:21.more team. Hull City was 3-0 up from the first leg but lost 2-0 last

:08:22. > :08:22.night, but they went through on aggregate 3-2. That's all your

:08:23. > :08:41.sport. The Queen will start speaking at

:08:42. > :08:44.around half past 11, David Cameron has left Downing Street to make his

:08:45. > :08:51.way there. Let's get more from Norman Smith. What is likely to be

:08:52. > :08:56.in the Queens speech? An awful lot but at the same time, not much.

:08:57. > :09:02.Basically, the Queen's Speech will be stuffed full of little bits and

:09:03. > :09:06.pieces which aren't really that controversial, and aren't really

:09:07. > :09:14.that large. Downing Street is visiting it as Mr Cameron's social

:09:15. > :09:18.agenda, so they will be measures on prisons, they will be given more

:09:19. > :09:24.independent, governors will have more powers to run their own budgets

:09:25. > :09:26.and regimes, they will be stuff around the care system to provide

:09:27. > :09:32.more support for people moving out of care, bits and pieces around

:09:33. > :09:38.adoption to try and speed that up. But by and large, it's quite a light

:09:39. > :09:47.Queen's Speech, and the reason for that frankly is that great big, dark

:09:48. > :09:50.cloud hanging over Mr Cameron, the EU referendum, which means this

:09:51. > :09:56.whole Queen's Speech has had to be gutted, frankly, that anything which

:09:57. > :10:01.might stir up any more trouble over Europe. It's almost a first today,

:10:02. > :10:07.there or tidying up today, we can see some of the ceremonial people

:10:08. > :10:12.wandering in, even before it kicks off, the Queen's Speech is being

:10:13. > :10:18.attacked by Brexiteers like Iain Duncan Smith, who has already

:10:19. > :10:23.launched into it saying Mr Cameron has dropped key bits of legislation

:10:24. > :10:25.because he is so desperate to get this EU referendum through. He

:10:26. > :10:31.doesn't want any trouble, you just wants to get the referendum through.

:10:32. > :10:37.You have the sense that today is almost part of the referendum story,

:10:38. > :10:43.which is totally dominating all politics. And in part, it's become a

:10:44. > :10:49.tussle between two men, between David Cameron and Boris Johnson, it

:10:50. > :10:51.has become personalised around these two figures, in particular following

:10:52. > :10:59.that extraordinary attack is today by Michael Russell time on Boris

:11:00. > :11:02.Johnson, we suggested, given some of his remarks about Hitler and

:11:03. > :11:08.suggesting that interventions by President Obama were Downing Street

:11:09. > :11:12.hostage videos, Michael Heseltine said he didn't think he was fit to

:11:13. > :11:16.be Prime Minister or lead the party. This morning Boris Johnson emerged

:11:17. > :11:22.from his house to be challenged about Michael Heseltine's comments.

:11:23. > :11:26.The most important thing is that everybody should cut out the

:11:27. > :11:33.synthetic outrage about things I haven't said and stick to the facts,

:11:34. > :11:37.which are the EU is now producing 60% of the law made in this country,

:11:38. > :11:42.it is changed out of all recognition from what we signed up to in 1972,

:11:43. > :11:49.making it impossible for us to control our borders. The only safe

:11:50. > :11:54.option is to vote leave on June 23 and I'm sorry, I must go now. Can I

:11:55. > :12:01.ask you cookie about what you said about Lord Heseltine's comments? We

:12:02. > :12:06.have a short time for the public to get the facts, the EU basically

:12:07. > :12:11.determines 60% of the laws in this country, it is costing ?350 million

:12:12. > :12:16.a week, it is evolving into something completely unlike what we

:12:17. > :12:19.signed up for in 1972 and becoming more and more like a federal

:12:20. > :12:30.superstate which we will inevitably be comprised if we stay in. The

:12:31. > :12:32.reason that Downing Street sent Michael Heseltine out to the bad

:12:33. > :12:39.Boris Johnson was because there is real anger at Boris Johnson, not

:12:40. > :12:43.just for his decision to support the Brexit campaign but because of the

:12:44. > :12:47.things he is saying, the tone of his remarks and I think they sent

:12:48. > :12:51.Michael Heseltine down to basically cut him off at the knees. But more

:12:52. > :12:57.than that, I think they fear Boris Dunston. When you see him out on the

:12:58. > :13:04.stump in towns, just doing his patter, he gets people going, and if

:13:05. > :13:09.one person can swing this whole referendum campaign the way of the

:13:10. > :13:14.Brexit campaign, it's Boris Johnson. So they are desperate to try and

:13:15. > :13:17.take him out. Albeit that his style and his remarks are clearly causing

:13:18. > :13:22.difficulty for his own side. Have a listen to Chris Grayling, another

:13:23. > :13:31.sit here this morning, when he was challenged about Boris Johnson --

:13:32. > :13:38.another Brexiteer. Boris was making historians can he is a historian...

:13:39. > :13:42.What the European Union is trying to do... I'm asking you if he was right

:13:43. > :13:48.to do so. Can we clear this up and then move on, was he right to draw

:13:49. > :13:53.that comparison? Was a right for a historian to make a historian 's

:13:54. > :14:00.comments? I'm asking you whether Boris Johnson, who is a politician

:14:01. > :14:03.first, I very senior politician, was he right to draw a comparison

:14:04. > :14:09.between the European Union and Adolf Hitler? As I said, he was making a

:14:10. > :14:15.historian's comment about history. It seems to me that everything is

:14:16. > :14:21.now totally overshadowed by this EU referendum, even this Queen's

:14:22. > :14:28.Speech. Mr Cameron is having to devote all his energy and effort to

:14:29. > :14:32.winning this referendum, it is a battle to his survival, for his

:14:33. > :14:36.legacy. He believes it's a battle for the future of this country. The

:14:37. > :14:42.Queen's Speech, which is normally a hugely significant day in which

:14:43. > :14:47.shapes the course of the next 12 months for government, is almost

:14:48. > :14:51.secondary now to this battle. Come June 23, if we vote to leave the EU,

:14:52. > :14:56.no one will remember what was in this Queen's Speech, because we will

:14:57. > :15:02.be into a totally new era where nobody knows what is going to

:15:03. > :15:07.happen. He is right, thank you, Norman.

:15:08. > :15:10.On this programme last year in an exclusive interview,

:15:11. > :15:12.British Olympic hopeful Tom Bosworth came out as gay.

:15:13. > :15:14.He told us he didn't want his preparations for this

:15:15. > :15:16.summer's Games in Rio being overshadowed

:15:17. > :15:21.He's one of only two British track and field athletes to come out.

:15:22. > :15:24.Now the government's Culture, Media and Sport committee has begun

:15:25. > :15:26.an inquiry into why so few professional sportsmen and women

:15:27. > :15:28.feel comfortable talking openly about their sexuality.

:15:29. > :15:31.Here's what Tom Bosworth told me about how unusal it still is for gay

:15:32. > :15:38.In sport, I The don't think being gay is

:15:39. > :15:50.I don't think I have an answer to that, because...

:15:51. > :15:54.In most other things, now, it's very normal

:15:55. > :15:58.to have a gay colleague, teachers, anything, any

:15:59. > :16:02.sort of line of work, it's very common to be open.

:16:03. > :16:09.I'm just trying to explore this with you.

:16:10. > :16:12.Is it something to do with some kind of macho competitive culture,

:16:13. > :16:18.In sport, you've got to succeed, you've got to look strong.

:16:19. > :16:21.Individually, in athletics, you're out there on your own,

:16:22. > :16:25.so any sort of weakness that people might be able to use...

:16:26. > :16:31.And for me, it's not a weakness but some people might see it

:16:32. > :16:35.like that, and so they don't want to be attacked,

:16:36. > :16:39.think that they might be attacked for it or somebody might

:16:40. > :16:41.use it against them, and that's a shame if they worry

:16:42. > :16:48.I've had some negativity from a few athletes in the past,

:16:49. > :16:52.a long time ago now, and they crop up occasionally,

:16:53. > :16:57.I guess, cos not everybody sees the world through my eyes and

:16:58. > :17:05.I got called some really nasty names...

:17:06. > :17:11.Well, they wouldn't call me by my name, so they'd literally

:17:12. > :17:20.There's plenty more you can go through, and that's how they would

:17:21. > :17:23.direct a conversation to me, and they would find themselves

:17:24. > :17:34.Let's talk to Matt Lister - he's a Team GB Canoe Slalom Athlete

:17:35. > :17:36.and LGBT Ambassador for the British Athletes Commission,

:17:37. > :17:38.Sophie Cook is the club photographer for AFC Bournemouth -

:17:39. > :17:41.she's the first trans person to work in the Premier League

:17:42. > :17:45.and John Nicolson is an SNP MP and a member of the Culture,

:17:46. > :18:00.He pushed the Committee to take on the inquiry into

:18:01. > :18:05.He's giving evidence to the inquiry today, mainly on the culture

:18:06. > :18:20.why did you push for this enquiry? I think this was highlighted when

:18:21. > :18:28.Tyson theory was put into his -- into the BBC's sports personality of

:18:29. > :18:32.the year short list. He is a man who said he wanted to break his wife's

:18:33. > :18:38.jaw and he wanted gay people to be shot. I thought that was the

:18:39. > :18:45.horrendous decision. I said to my colleagues, I think the BBC has a

:18:46. > :18:52.problem with this, I think society has a problem with this, let's have

:18:53. > :18:59.an enquiry. Sophie, tell that your experience? Before I came out, I was

:19:00. > :19:05.terrified I would lose my job and get abuse from the fans. The reality

:19:06. > :19:10.is at haven't that at all. I have had this amazing outpouring of love

:19:11. > :19:14.and support from the fans and as we were about to kick off against man

:19:15. > :19:19.city recently, a woman ran down from the back of the fans to tell me I

:19:20. > :19:24.look amazing. People have been shaking my hand, saying, good on

:19:25. > :19:30.you, I'm really glad you're happy. Happy you had any abuse? There have

:19:31. > :19:36.been a few little incidents, mainly from kids who don't know better. But

:19:37. > :19:42.it is not football's problem. It is society's problem. If there is

:19:43. > :19:49.bigotry in society, it will be inside football. All season, I have

:19:50. > :19:54.had four or five incidents but last year at Brighton's pride, I had ten

:19:55. > :20:00.incidents in two days. Matt, what is your view about why there are so few

:20:01. > :20:07.out professional sportsmen and women? I think a game, echoing what

:20:08. > :20:14.Sophie has both, it is a problem within society, say footballers and

:20:15. > :20:19.other athletes, not so much within my sport because we are not as high

:20:20. > :20:24.profile, but within high profile, it can very much effect the way you

:20:25. > :20:28.think about your training, the way you focus on the course or the

:20:29. > :20:33.pitch. You don't want to be distracted from what the overall job

:20:34. > :20:37.is. You are aiming for the gold medal, the number one spot, and you

:20:38. > :20:45.do your best to make sure that is your focus. The do you think

:20:46. > :20:49.football and sport lags behind society in general? I think that is

:20:50. > :20:58.the principal problem. I am a gay man and I sit in Parliament and I

:20:59. > :21:03.never get any abuse. Long before I was there, Parliament passed close

:21:04. > :21:11.28. Imagine that happening now? My own parlay -- my own party is the

:21:12. > :21:21.gayest party in parliament anywhere in the world. What is it about sport

:21:22. > :21:35.that lags so far behind sport, politics? Let's ask Tony. You have

:21:36. > :21:39.done research on this? We have found a decrease in attitudes of

:21:40. > :21:44.homophobia, so if you think of the high homophobic period of the 1980s

:21:45. > :21:49.through to now, suggesting that only one fifth of people have homophobic

:21:50. > :21:54.attitudes, I find the same thing in the culture of football. Fans who go

:21:55. > :22:01.to matches, in gauging discussions online and also media journalist,

:22:02. > :22:06.and I find a change in circumstances. The culture in

:22:07. > :22:11.football is not as bad as it was in 1990 when Justin Fashanu came out.

:22:12. > :22:15.Do you think it is only a matter of time before a British footballer

:22:16. > :22:18.comes out in the top echelons of the Premier League? The youngest Premier

:22:19. > :22:25.League or the Scottish Premier League? I think there are Premier

:22:26. > :22:34.League players who have come out. Unfortunately after retirement. I

:22:35. > :22:41.meant was still playing. I think the role of the agents, clubs, support

:22:42. > :22:45.to the players, the professional footballers Association, what is put

:22:46. > :22:49.in place by the FA, because probably there are a number of sportsmen and

:22:50. > :22:53.women who want to come out but don't have the confidence to do so. I

:22:54. > :22:57.think the question needs to be asked to make it a more supportive

:22:58. > :23:04.environment for those who want to come out. Sophie, was there much

:23:05. > :23:08.support internally from your club? The club was amazing. They have

:23:09. > :23:12.treated me exactly the same as I was before which really when you come

:23:13. > :23:15.out is all you can ask for. And you were worried you wouldn't be going

:23:16. > :23:22.back to your job as photographer once he came out? I was terrified. I

:23:23. > :23:25.stood on the pitch at Charlton athletic when we were crowned

:23:26. > :23:31.champions last year terrified it would be my last ever day with the

:23:32. > :23:34.club and everyone has been wonderful. The player have been

:23:35. > :23:40.wonderful. The culture for the players and sport, there is a thirst

:23:41. > :23:44.for this. There is a first to make it right. The reason that this

:23:45. > :23:49.matters is because we know that young gay men are the largest group

:23:50. > :23:53.of suicides in the country. They must ask themselves when they are

:23:54. > :23:57.being bullied in the playground and feeling desperate, if rich

:23:58. > :24:03.successful footballers can't come out, what hope is there for me and

:24:04. > :24:06.that is why it is important that we have role models coming out and

:24:07. > :24:11.normalising the process of coming out so that kids feel they can go to

:24:12. > :24:14.their teachers, stand up for themselves and say that the bullies

:24:15. > :24:19.realise it is no longer acceptable because there he rose are openly

:24:20. > :24:26.gay. What do you think about that, Matt? This idea that if people such

:24:27. > :24:32.as Olympians or a professional footballer will really have an

:24:33. > :24:37.impact on young adults? I totally agree. I have done some work with

:24:38. > :24:41.the Stonewall support programme and I have talked to kids and the first

:24:42. > :24:49.thing you say is, high, my name is Matt Lister, I am a Team GB person

:24:50. > :24:58.and you hear them snigger. And you say, I am the world bonds medallist

:24:59. > :25:06.-- bronze medallist and you see a view faces lean forward. -- my name

:25:07. > :25:13.is Matt Lister and I am a gay Team GB person. It changes the perception

:25:14. > :25:16.of what it is to be gay. People see it through the eyes of the bullies

:25:17. > :25:21.because that is what they see in school. We have talked a lot about

:25:22. > :25:25.football but I will ask this question. The argument always goes,

:25:26. > :25:29.if a footballer in the Premier League came out, the abuse from

:25:30. > :25:34.opposition fans in particular and possibly even home supporters would

:25:35. > :25:41.be awful for them. Do any of us actually think it would be horrific

:25:42. > :25:49.now in Britain in 2016? No. I don't either. I'm glad you think that

:25:50. > :25:55.because people are fundamentally decent and kind. Everyone has a gay

:25:56. > :26:00.cousin or brother or friend. They know gay people. Society has changed

:26:01. > :26:05.and sport have got to grow up. Look at Tom Daley. Tom Daley came out and

:26:06. > :26:12.his fan base has increased. We teenage girls still have pictures of

:26:13. > :26:19.him on their walls and I understand his sponsorship has increased. There

:26:20. > :26:23.could be financial implications is something that has been said before

:26:24. > :26:27.but that has been disproved as well. Jamie, let me ask you about, I don't

:26:28. > :26:31.know if you have done research into this, team-mates. If they Premier

:26:32. > :26:38.League player came out, how would team-mates react? There have been

:26:39. > :26:43.footballers who have gone on record to say they would support openly gay

:26:44. > :26:52.team-mates. There must be footballers who are out to their

:26:53. > :26:55.team-mates who are not out publicly. The culture of football and sport is

:26:56. > :27:06.improving. There is still progress to be made. We have really improved

:27:07. > :27:14.since the 1990s. What would you say regarding the abuse week in week

:27:15. > :27:17.out, Sophie? The point is that people are inherently decent.

:27:18. > :27:21.Players get abuse anyway from the opposition fans and their home fans.

:27:22. > :27:26.That will not be any worse that they are gay. Their team-mates would be

:27:27. > :27:31.so supportive because to be a professional footballer, you have

:27:32. > :27:38.got to be a very focused, very committed person and inherently,

:27:39. > :27:42.these are all very good men. I have got a lot of respect for them. We

:27:43. > :27:49.have got to remember it is not just football. In the Olympic Games there

:27:50. > :27:54.were only 23 out athletes out of thousands. It is a problem across

:27:55. > :28:00.sport. It is a problem in rugby, cricket and elsewhere. I will ask

:28:01. > :28:08.you about your colleague, Angus MacNeil... He is not gay. No, it is

:28:09. > :28:14.whether he has been using tax payers funding to stay in a hotel in

:28:15. > :28:20.London, has he done anything wrong? Do you know what the rules are as

:28:21. > :28:25.Jamaat if you do, you will know that is cheaper for the taxpayer if you

:28:26. > :28:29.stay in a hotel that went a flat. It is not a story. Thank you all very

:28:30. > :28:32.much. Have a good day.