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:00:40. > :00:45.at a disadvantage compared to youngsters in London?

:00:46. > :00:46.Claims this morning that more money should go

:00:47. > :00:49.to Northern schools to bridge a growing north-south divide.

:00:50. > :01:00.We're interested to hear your views on that.

:01:01. > :01:03.Hello - Welcome to the programme and the start of a new week,

:01:04. > :01:10.He was lead guitarist with 70s rock group Dr feel-good.

:01:11. > :01:13.In 2012 he was diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer.

:01:14. > :01:16.He spent a year believing he had twelve months to live.

:01:17. > :01:18.Then a chance encounter with a doctor led to

:01:19. > :01:25.He'll be here with his story a little later.

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:01:35. > :01:36.Our top story today - The latest warning on leaving

:01:37. > :01:39.the European Union is that Brexit would plunge the UK

:01:40. > :01:43.A Treasury forecast predicts short-term economic turmoil.

:01:44. > :01:45.But Leave campaigners are dismissive - they say it's another

:01:46. > :01:56.Here's our political correspondent Tom Bateman.

:01:57. > :01:58.Eight years on from these scenes, when the financial crisis tipped

:01:59. > :02:00.Britain into recession, the Government's

:02:01. > :02:05.But this time the Chancellor, George Osborne, claims it would be

:02:06. > :02:10.This morning, along with the Prime Minister,

:02:11. > :02:13.he writes that a vote to leave the EU would trigger an immediate

:02:14. > :02:19.David Cameron says this would be a DIY recession,

:02:20. > :02:24.caused by Britain turning its back on the world's largest marketplace.

:02:25. > :02:26.The claims are based on a Treasury report being released

:02:27. > :02:29.by the Chancellor, which warns that Britain's economy would be tipped

:02:30. > :02:35.into a year-long recession after a vote to leave the EU.

:02:36. > :02:37.It says economic output would be lower by at least 3.6%

:02:38. > :02:40.than if Britain stayed in, and, in a worse case scenario,

:02:41. > :02:45.The document claims the economic shock would see house price growth

:02:46. > :02:49.10% lower than if we remained in the EU, and there would be

:02:50. > :02:53.But the Vote Leave campaign says an exit from the EU would instead

:02:54. > :02:55.create thousands of new jobs through trade deals with growing

:02:56. > :03:04.It is describing today's claims as deeply biased,

:03:05. > :03:06.with the Vote Leave campaigner Iain Duncan Smith saying Treasury

:03:07. > :03:12.predictions have been hopelessly wrong in the past.

:03:13. > :03:14.Today's warnings are another sign the Remain campaign believe repeated

:03:15. > :03:16.messages about economic risks will persuade

:03:17. > :03:27.But once again, the message is been fiercely contested.

:03:28. > :03:36.Let's chat to Norman Smith at Westminster.

:03:37. > :03:41.A month to go, the focus very much on the economy.

:03:42. > :03:46.And another very bleak report from the Treasury. I haven't got it yet.

:03:47. > :03:51.They have given us a summation of the conclusions but we haven't had

:03:52. > :03:57.the report itself to look at the detail. The headline conclusions,

:03:58. > :04:00.certainly, frighten the pants off you. They are suggesting that within

:04:01. > :04:05.a couple of years up to half a million jobs could be lost. They say

:04:06. > :04:13.the economy and economic growth will be slower by up to 6%. The pound

:04:14. > :04:18.could be down by up to 15%. House prices will not grow as fast by

:04:19. > :04:21.something like 80%. That the cost of everything from mortgages to food

:04:22. > :04:28.prices, the clothes, all of that will go up. -- to clothes. Hold onto

:04:29. > :04:34.your seat belt, it is a dark assessment of what would happen if

:04:35. > :04:37.we left the European Union. Brexit campaigners have said, well, Boris

:04:38. > :04:44.Johnson has described it as a giant hoax. Iain Duncan Smith said it

:04:45. > :04:49.wasn't honest. It seems to me that the two sides are so far apart on

:04:50. > :04:56.the basic facts about the economy they are not even on the same page.

:04:57. > :05:04.That fall voters this has almost come down to, who do you believe?

:05:05. > :05:22.They are not even arguing about the same things any more. -- that for

:05:23. > :05:31.voters. It is about. Instinct. Rather than a tussle between the

:05:32. > :05:50.economic arguments. Thank you. -- it is about

:05:51. > :05:55.Have you decided how you're going to vote

:05:56. > :06:00.Well you are very welcome to take part in one of our big TV audience

:06:01. > :06:04.in Manchester just over a fortnight before the actual vote.

:06:05. > :06:07.It's open to everyone and will take place in our normal airtime

:06:08. > :06:11.If you want to take part and can get to Manchester from wherever

:06:12. > :06:13.you are in the UK do email victoria@bbc.co.uk

:06:14. > :06:16.to have your chance to quiz senior politicians from the leave

:06:17. > :06:20.Maxine is in the BBC Newsroom with everything else you need

:06:21. > :06:23.A health think tank says official advice promoting low-fat diets

:06:24. > :06:26.and calorie counting is failing to tackle the rise in

:06:27. > :06:30.The National Obesity Forum argues in favour of eating MORE fat,

:06:31. > :06:32.and accuses public health bodies of colluding with the food industry.

:06:33. > :06:34.Public Health England has called the intervention

:06:35. > :06:38.OK, Chris, let's just see what you weigh.

:06:39. > :06:41.He used to be on the maximum medication allowed.

:06:42. > :06:44.But after trying a low-carb, high-fat diet, he has lost weight,

:06:45. > :06:47.his blood sugar, blood pressure and cholesterol are down and he has

:06:48. > :06:50.I feel better than I've felt for many years.

:06:51. > :06:53.I am the lowest weight I've been, probably in my adult life.

:06:54. > :06:56.People don't recognise me if I've not seen them in a long time.

:06:57. > :07:00.Chris's GP says he's suggested the diet to lots of diabetic

:07:01. > :07:02.patients, with startling results, improving their health and saving

:07:03. > :07:04.the surgery ?45,000 a year in medication costs.

:07:05. > :07:07.The diet's success is highlighted in a report today from the charity,

:07:08. > :07:13.It's calling for an urgent overhaul of national dietary guidelines,

:07:14. > :07:16.which it blames for a rise in obesity and diabetes.

:07:17. > :07:19.It says people should eat low amounts of starchy carbohydrates,

:07:20. > :07:25.More controversially, it recommends eating saturated fat,

:07:26. > :07:30.such as full fat dairy, and avoiding food marketed as low-fat.

:07:31. > :07:34.But experts insist the problem isn't with the current guidelines.

:07:35. > :07:37.I think most people have a good sense of what a healthy

:07:38. > :07:43.What they are struggling with is how to put that into practice.

:07:44. > :07:46.That's where people really need more support.

:07:47. > :07:48.Public Health England has described today's report today

:07:49. > :07:50.as "irresponsible" and insisted the current dietary

:07:51. > :07:57.guidelines are based on the most up-to-date evidence.

:07:58. > :08:00.A report examining why so many children in care end up

:08:01. > :08:02.in the criminal justice system, describes the current situation

:08:03. > :08:05.as a tragic waste of young people's lives and of public money.

:08:06. > :08:08.The review says police need to change the way they handle

:08:09. > :08:09.crimes involving children in the care system.

:08:10. > :08:24.In the six years she has been in care she has lived

:08:25. > :08:28.in 15 different places right across the country.

:08:29. > :08:31.She says the frustration and distress that has caused led

:08:32. > :08:33.to her getting into trouble with the police.

:08:34. > :08:44.Because of her age we have discussed her identity

:08:45. > :08:49.-- disguised her identity and changed her voice.

:08:50. > :08:51.The way the care system worked I didn't like it.

:08:52. > :08:55.The way if I liked living somewhere they would move me and if I didn't

:08:56. > :08:59.If I was getting bullied, nothing would be done about it.

:09:00. > :09:02.The review says most young people in care don't get into trouble.

:09:03. > :09:05.But out of the 1,000 children in custody in England and Wales

:09:06. > :09:08.The report says changes are needed to police

:09:09. > :09:11.So, rather than giving the child a criminal record,

:09:12. > :09:13.the authorities work together to provide more help

:09:14. > :09:20.Coming into the care system ought to be the trigger that

:09:21. > :09:26.It ought to be their foundation on which they can develop

:09:27. > :09:31.social skills, have their educational needs addressed.

:09:32. > :09:34.The review concludes it will take strong leadership to ensure

:09:35. > :09:37.all children in care are getting support that can make a positive

:09:38. > :09:48.A fire has swept through a school dormitory in Northern Thailand,

:09:49. > :09:52.killing at least seventeen girls, who were asleep.

:09:53. > :09:54.The private school teaches students aged

:09:55. > :09:57.between six and thirteen - at least five other girls

:09:58. > :10:03.The cause of the fire is not yet known.

:10:04. > :10:05.President Obama has lifted a longstanding ban on selling

:10:06. > :10:08.weapons to the Vietnamese government - during a visit to the country.

:10:09. > :10:11.Mr Obama said the decision removes one of the last traces

:10:12. > :10:16.The president's visit comes as China asserts its territorial claims

:10:17. > :10:52.Our correspondent Jonathan Head is in the Vietnamese capital Hanoi.

:10:53. > :10:58.Where decent isn't tolerated and yet, It is a former enemy of the

:10:59. > :11:02.United States. If you go back to the days of the Vietnam War. The two of

:11:03. > :11:06.them have been forced to form this partnership because of the shifting

:11:07. > :11:12.sands of geostrategic power. In Asia, you have got some of the

:11:13. > :11:17.fastest growing economies in the world, Vietnam is one of them.

:11:18. > :11:19.Hungry for success and important trade partners for many others,

:11:20. > :11:24.including Britain. It is a neighbour of China and China is in dispute

:11:25. > :11:31.with Vietnam about the south China Sea. A hot dispute about which

:11:32. > :11:35.Vietnamese people get angry. Vietnam wants American power back in here to

:11:36. > :11:39.counter act China. President Obama believes the US must anchor itself

:11:40. > :11:43.in Asia and move its focus from the Middle East particularly to this

:11:44. > :11:48.very important economic region, to counter China.

:11:49. > :11:55.It is a remarkable scene this morning of President Obama shaking

:11:56. > :11:59.hands with an old-style communist leader in front of the man who led

:12:00. > :12:05.the war against the Americans half a century ago and lifting this arms

:12:06. > :12:09.embargo. He is still saying we disagree about Human Rights. There

:12:10. > :12:12.are dissidents here who have been jailed for many years. There are

:12:13. > :12:17.other dissidents who want to meet President Obama, but he is having to

:12:18. > :12:20.balance that with the importance both countries put on the strategic

:12:21. > :12:23.relationship and on their economic relationship as well.

:12:24. > :12:29.Jonathan, thank you. The Iraqi government has started

:12:30. > :12:31.a big military operation to recapture Fallujah,

:12:32. > :12:33.which has been under the control of Islamic State fighters

:12:34. > :12:38.for more than two years. Reports say there've been

:12:39. > :12:40.clashes on the outskirts Thousands of trapped residents have

:12:41. > :12:44.been warned to be prepared to fell, and those who can't leave

:12:45. > :12:47.are being told to raise white flags Last week the US-led coalition

:12:48. > :12:50.carried out seven strikes in the Fallujah area,

:12:51. > :12:52.and Iraq has also been Austria's presidential election

:12:53. > :12:57.remains too close to call and will depend on a count

:12:58. > :13:01.of postal ballots today. At the moment, the former

:13:02. > :13:03.Green Party leader Alexander Van der Bellen,

:13:04. > :13:13.who's pro-EU, is neck and neck with the Eurosceptic nationalist

:13:14. > :13:22.candidate Norbert Hofer (pron: Formal bids for Tata Steel's

:13:23. > :13:25.operations in the UK have to be Up to seven offers

:13:26. > :13:30.are expected to be made but the timetable

:13:31. > :13:32.for negotiations is unclear. Tata put the business

:13:33. > :13:34.up for sale in March - its Port Talbot site is losing

:13:35. > :13:38.an average of a million pounds a day The world's biggest insurance

:13:39. > :13:41.company, AXA, is to stop investing It's going to sell shares

:13:42. > :13:52.and bonds worth more The company says investing

:13:53. > :13:56.in the sector makes no sense given that smoking killed some six million

:13:57. > :14:07.people a year. Some other lines in the autumn.

:14:08. > :14:21.Union officials at the RMT say there are still some issues with the plan.

:14:22. > :14:29.Adele won five trophies at the Billboard Music Awards.

:14:30. > :14:32.The highlight of the show was a tribute to Prince by Madonna who

:14:33. > :14:45.ended the awards ceremony. # It's been seven hours and 13 days

:14:46. > :14:46.since you took your Love away. That is a summary of the latest

:14:47. > :14:53.news. More at 9:30am. That's a summary of

:14:54. > :14:56.the latest BBC News. Coming up shortly, the guide dog

:14:57. > :15:00.owners who say they want tougher penalties for cab and minicab

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:15:04. > :15:06.throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria

:15:07. > :15:08.live and if you text, you will be charged

:15:09. > :15:19.at the standard network rate. Jamie Vardy has now scored in three

:15:20. > :15:38.England games in a row, but he'll have to wait

:15:39. > :15:41.for the chance to do it for a fourth time because he's getting married

:15:42. > :15:44.and will miss their second warm up match for the European Championship

:15:45. > :15:46.after getting the winner Roy Hodgson started with both Vardy

:15:47. > :15:50.and Harry Kane and it was Kane who put England ahead two minutes

:15:51. > :15:53.in though the goal should have been England looked a little unconvincing

:15:54. > :15:57.at the back at times and Turkey Kane missed a penalty in the second

:15:58. > :16:07.half, but England nicked Over the last couple of years we

:16:08. > :16:11.have had some very, very good defensive performances. We haven't

:16:12. > :16:17.let in that many goals. So it is not a question sadly of me thinking that

:16:18. > :16:22.we are poor defencily. I don't think we are. But there are areas still we

:16:23. > :16:27.need to work on. The competition is there in the back four, in mid-field

:16:28. > :16:30.we might have other mid-fielder combinations which could possibly

:16:31. > :16:34.protect the back four in a different way.

:16:35. > :16:37.As Manchester United set about finalising Jose Mourinho's contract,

:16:38. > :16:40.Louis van Gaal has arrived at the club's training ground this morning

:16:41. > :16:43.after saying goodbye to his team yesterday without knowing whether he

:16:44. > :16:47.will see them again. As of last night, Louis van Gaal hadn't been

:16:48. > :16:51.told that he is to be replaced by Joement, but the Dutchman said he

:16:52. > :16:54.still hoped to be this charge for the final year of his three year

:16:55. > :16:58.contract. Jose Mourinho is preparing to hold talks with senior Manchester

:16:59. > :17:03.United officials this week. Ben Stokes has been ruled of the

:17:04. > :17:07.second Test against Sri Lanka with a knee injury picked up in the win at

:17:08. > :17:12.Headingley. He has been replaced by Chris Woakes who is the only change

:17:13. > :17:15.in the 12 names for Durham. Woakes will join up with the rest of the

:17:16. > :17:24.squad having played the first two days of his county championship. As

:17:25. > :17:29.will Nottingham seamer Jake Ball. Rory McIlroy has won the Irish Open

:17:30. > :17:34.at the K Club near dLinl. He led Danny Willett by three going into

:17:35. > :17:42.the final day, but Willett fell away shooting a 77. This approach on the

:17:43. > :17:48.par-5, 16th helped give McIlroy a lead for Russell Knox. Rory made no

:17:49. > :17:52.mistake, a final round of 69 gave him a three shot victory and his

:17:53. > :17:57.first ever win at his home tournament.

:17:58. > :18:02.Heather Watson will resume her first round match at the French Open.

:18:03. > :18:06.There wasn't a great deal of play on the opening day, but Watson managed

:18:07. > :18:10.to get on court and has come from a set down against Nicole Gibbs. The

:18:11. > :18:14.British number two will play to finish today. Andy Murray is not

:18:15. > :18:18.expected to make it on court despite being scheduled to play later on.

:18:19. > :18:19.That's the sport for now. Back to you Joanna.

:18:20. > :18:25.Thank you. Unfair school funding puts hundreds

:18:26. > :18:28.of thousands of children in schools in the North at a disadvantage

:18:29. > :18:30.compared with London youngsters that's according

:18:31. > :18:32.to a major report out today. It reveals at primary school level,

:18:33. > :18:35.the north of England receives about ?4,600 per pupil in grant

:18:36. > :18:38.funding, about the national average, but ?900 less than London,

:18:39. > :18:40.and at secondary level, the North receives around ?5,700

:18:41. > :18:48.per pupil, ?100 less than the English average and ?1,300

:18:49. > :18:50.less than London. More money should be redistributed

:18:51. > :18:53.to the North to bridge a growing North South divide in academic

:18:54. > :18:55.standards, according to the study by the Institute

:18:56. > :18:58.for Public Policy Research North Let's talk now to James Westhead,

:18:59. > :19:09.Director at Teach First Also Sir Michael Wilshaw

:19:10. > :19:16.is the Chief Inspector at Ofsted. Louise Kelly's daughter

:19:17. > :19:18.is in a secondary school Tarun Kapur, who runs

:19:19. > :19:22.the Dean Trust, a group of Academy We've also got entrepreneur

:19:23. > :19:25.and business owner Claire Young, who not only recruits

:19:26. > :19:28.from schools in the North, but her company also works

:19:29. > :19:34.with schools across the country. And Headteacher Adrian Kneeshaw took

:19:35. > :19:46.over a special measures I'm going to come to you first

:19:47. > :19:51.James, but you have been involved in the research obviously. 55% of

:19:52. > :19:56.pupils in the north of England get five A to C grade GCSEs versus 61%

:19:57. > :20:00.in London. We were just hearing about the funding discrepancy. Is

:20:01. > :20:03.that why? Yes, well, what we found in the report looking at the data

:20:04. > :20:06.across the north and around the country is that there is a real

:20:07. > :20:11.divide in education between the north and the south and in

:20:12. > :20:15.particular, with London. If we're looking at creating a Northern

:20:16. > :20:19.powerhouse, bringing together cities, investing in industry and

:20:20. > :20:24.infrastructure and transport, then what this report suggests is we also

:20:25. > :20:27.need to invest in education. The divide that you're describing is

:20:28. > :20:32.starkest when you look at children from the poorest backgrounds. There,

:20:33. > :20:35.children in the north are starting out behind other children in the

:20:36. > :20:37.rest of the country and in particular London when they start at

:20:38. > :20:43.school and they're leaving further behind. Now, we don't think that's

:20:44. > :20:47.right. That's a waste of potential on a very large scale. Tell us more

:20:48. > :20:51.about the issues behind it. On the funding, why is it like that? Are

:20:52. > :20:55.other factors coming into play when you look at the educational

:20:56. > :20:59.performance in north versus south? There is a divide in the outputs,

:21:00. > :21:04.but in the inputs. So in, the inputs to schools in terms of funding and

:21:05. > :21:09.in terms of staffing and in terms of wider resources. So roughly

:21:10. > :21:16.speaking, a secondary school, kept in the northern of England ?1300 per

:21:17. > :21:21.pupil less... Why is that? It is historic and related to need. It is

:21:22. > :21:24.related to a whole bunch of factors. The Government is now reviewing

:21:25. > :21:29.funding of schools nationally and creating what it calls a fairer

:21:30. > :21:33.funding formula. What we're suggesting is that we really should

:21:34. > :21:39.look carefully at the need of schools, both in terms of the prior

:21:40. > :21:42.attainment of pupils and also the challenges that the schools are in

:21:43. > :21:46.and the consider redistributing funds. OK, well, let's get the view

:21:47. > :21:52.of a parent. Louise Kelly, you've got a 13-year-old daughter in a

:21:53. > :21:56.school described as inadequate. What is her and your experience of the

:21:57. > :22:01.school? She just seems to, she goes in and she just, she doesn't know

:22:02. > :22:07.who she is going to have, what day, the supply teachers are there for

:22:08. > :22:12.one or two lessons and it is another one like the next week. I mean, for

:22:13. > :22:16.instance, she asked her last night, she has a supply teacher for maths.

:22:17. > :22:20.I says how long have you had the supply teacher for and she said

:22:21. > :22:27.ages. As it turns out, ages is only two weeks. I mean, there is no

:22:28. > :22:34.consistency or anything and so they school can't seem to get teachers in

:22:35. > :22:37.on a permanent basis and she has fallen behind. She is struggling

:22:38. > :22:41.with her maths when she used to, when she was at primary school, she

:22:42. > :22:44.was always like the top and now in secondary school, because they don't

:22:45. > :22:50.seem to have the teachers there, like on a long-term basis, she has

:22:51. > :22:54.fallen behind. It just seems to be, it just seems to be a big issue

:22:55. > :23:00.within the school. It is not just with maths, it is all the subjects

:23:01. > :23:07.she had supply teachers for. Let's talk to a headmaster. You are a

:23:08. > :23:11.headteacher of a school in Bradford that was in special measures. Does

:23:12. > :23:16.that sound familiar? Is it hard to attract good teachers? The situation

:23:17. > :23:19.is different to other schools. It is representative of schools in the

:23:20. > :23:22.north and especially ones that are in special measures or requires

:23:23. > :23:26.improvement. You are in a downward spiral, how do you attract good

:23:27. > :23:29.staff? If you are in special measures an area that's deemed to be

:23:30. > :23:34.difficult, difficult behaviour, it is hard to attract them. We are

:23:35. > :23:37.lucky. We have got a good reputation, behaviour, small class

:23:38. > :23:40.sizes and we look after staff. We have a good reputation in the city

:23:41. > :23:43.even when we were in special measures so we never had those

:23:44. > :23:51.problems, what was represented by the parent is a fair representation

:23:52. > :23:55.overall. Sir Michael, you have spoken about your concerns before

:23:56. > :23:58.about the north-south divide. How do you identify the problem and the

:23:59. > :24:01.impact it may have in the long run? Well there, is a secondary school

:24:02. > :24:05.issue. Primary schools in the Midlands and the north are doing as

:24:06. > :24:11.well as primary schools in London and south and in fact, if you look

:24:12. > :24:15.at a place like Redcar and Cleveland in the north-east, a place which has

:24:16. > :24:20.gone through some very hard times with the closure of the steelworks,

:24:21. > :24:25.primary schools there are doing better than primary schools in

:24:26. > :24:30.London. Where is the disconnect? What's going on? The funding issue

:24:31. > :24:33.will be addressed through the national funding formula the

:24:34. > :24:41.Government is going to introduce over the next year or two, but the

:24:42. > :24:45.secondary schools, when they transfer to secondary schools, they

:24:46. > :24:49.are doing badly. Very badly. Something like two-thirds of the

:24:50. > :24:53.schools in special measures are in the north and in the Midlands. Why

:24:54. > :24:57.do you think that is? The worst local authorities are in the north

:24:58. > :25:01.and the midlands for secondary school performance. Well, I think

:25:02. > :25:05.part of it is just lower expectations and the lessons of

:25:06. > :25:09.London, because London has not always been a good performer. I have

:25:10. > :25:14.an ex-London teacher. I'm an ex-London head. I've worked in

:25:15. > :25:19.London in the 70s and 80s and 90s when standards were terrible. What

:25:20. > :25:26.changed London was political will, of local political leaders who said

:25:27. > :25:29.this is enough is enough and also, good headteachers coming into London

:25:30. > :25:32.and showing what could be done. And if we're going to turn around the

:25:33. > :25:36.fortunes of secondary schools, in the Midlands and the north of

:25:37. > :25:40.England, we need that essential combination. Who has got the low

:25:41. > :25:44.expectations? Not the parents, not the teachers? Not the parents, but

:25:45. > :25:47.headteachers are critical. Absolutely critical and what we need

:25:48. > :25:51.are great headteachers in the Midlands and the north of England

:25:52. > :25:55.who know what to do, have high expectations and can transform their

:25:56. > :26:02.schools. You run an academy chain with six schools in the pipeline. In

:26:03. > :26:06.one, in noastly, that's one of the worst fer forming areas. How do you

:26:07. > :26:10.respond so what Sir Michael is saying about lower expectations as

:26:11. > :26:15.his analysis of what the issues are? Well, first of all, the issue of

:26:16. > :26:18.fair funding is one that's being addressed so I will put that on one

:26:19. > :26:22.side and we have three local authorities we are working with and

:26:23. > :26:27.each local authority funds us differently so that's a challenge

:26:28. > :26:32.into itself. I agree that aspirations and high expectations is

:26:33. > :26:36.something that and a tray tra Dirksal way of working is necessary

:26:37. > :26:40.in schools. We've worked alongside local primary schools and raised the

:26:41. > :26:44.aspirations of all the families and the children to ensure that

:26:45. > :26:48.actually, you can do something. We have linked it with businesses as

:26:49. > :26:52.well. Businesses are constantly saying, "You're not preparing

:26:53. > :26:55.children." We are asking them, "What do you want us to do to prepare

:26:56. > :26:58.children for jobs that sometimes don't exist at the moment." It is

:26:59. > :27:03.right, we need to follow the London model. I think that was very

:27:04. > :27:07.successful, having the best people leading the schools, but echoing

:27:08. > :27:12.what the parents said, getting maths teachers, English teachers, is not

:27:13. > :27:16.easy in very difficult areas or areas that are perceived to be

:27:17. > :27:20.difficult because teachers will say, "Why should we work there?" With us,

:27:21. > :27:24.they come and work for our trust and they will work in those areas and

:27:25. > :27:28.they will say, "Actually, this is great." Clare, you run a company

:27:29. > :27:34.that sends speakers, motivational speakers into school. Interestingly,

:27:35. > :27:37.schools in London engage you more to send people into schools there

:27:38. > :27:43.compared with schools in the north. Why do you think that is? I think

:27:44. > :27:46.not repeating comments which other people have said, but I do find when

:27:47. > :27:49.we're working with London schools, the students have got much greater

:27:50. > :27:53.aspirations, they are very savvy. They are much more aware of the real

:27:54. > :27:56.world so to speak and the skills which are needed to succeed. They

:27:57. > :28:01.seem to know about the cost of living. They have greater career

:28:02. > :28:05.aspirations. It is a shame for somebody who, I live in Yorkshire,

:28:06. > :28:08.my office is based in Wakefield, I'm very proud of the north and it is

:28:09. > :28:12.frustrating when you see the low expectations which have been

:28:13. > :28:16.mentioned and I think it does come down to having strong leadership,

:28:17. > :28:19.having the superb heads who have got visions, stories, they will take the

:28:20. > :28:22.students and the staff which is very important, bringing those fantastic

:28:23. > :28:26.teachers in to really make the difference, the revolution which is

:28:27. > :28:31.needed. James, you want to come in. Just building on what has been said

:28:32. > :28:35.so far. Teach First is a charity that recruits high pir forming

:28:36. > :28:39.teachers to work in schools and we work with about several hundred

:28:40. > :28:42.schools across the north and our experience is there are amazing

:28:43. > :28:48.teachers and amazing headteachers, but this education is at bottom of

:28:49. > :28:52.people business. People is what is going to drive success and

:28:53. > :28:55.performance, all the speakers are right, we've got to invest in

:28:56. > :28:59.teachers. We've got to invest in headteachers in schools in the north

:29:00. > :29:02.if we're stand a chance of closing this divide which is a very real

:29:03. > :29:06.one, which will hold the north back in the future unless we do something

:29:07. > :29:12.about it now. Louise, you're a mum. What do you think when you hear this

:29:13. > :29:16.conversation around expectation and aspiration and hear the different

:29:17. > :29:25.comparisons between how schools in the north are funded and the results

:29:26. > :29:29.that are being produced? I think that money spent in schools should

:29:30. > :29:34.be the same across the country. There shouldn't be this gap. The

:29:35. > :29:38.cost of resources to buy things you need to successfully teach is going

:29:39. > :29:43.to be the same across the country. There is going, there is no, there

:29:44. > :29:48.shouldn't be such a huge like difference in what you're spending

:29:49. > :29:51.on children on education because these children are the country's

:29:52. > :29:58.future. They are going to be the ones that are going to go out into

:29:59. > :30:02.the workforce and everything. To have this huge like just difference,

:30:03. > :30:05.it is writing off the children of the north and saying that they are

:30:06. > :30:09.not worth it. That's my personal opinion.

:30:10. > :30:15.Thank you. I want to bring in a couple of comments from viewers.

:30:16. > :30:22.Ronald says, "Governments say sums for education, but don't say the

:30:23. > :30:29.schools and the criteria for getting funding." Another viewer says there

:30:30. > :30:35.is not a north-south divide in Ofsted ratings. Is that right, Sir

:30:36. > :30:38.Michael? If you look at the special measures of the schools that are

:30:39. > :30:43.failing, 175, I think, are failing in the country. Two-thirds of them

:30:44. > :30:46.are in the north of England and the Midlands and the big challenge is

:30:47. > :30:51.secondary school performance in the north and the Midlands. I was in

:30:52. > :30:55.Liverpool last week and I spoke to two outstanding headteachers and the

:30:56. > :31:00.Mayor of Liverpool. They understand what needs to be done and they have

:31:01. > :31:06.a better chance of recruiting good teachers because they are running

:31:07. > :31:11.good schools. Thank you for your comments.

:31:12. > :31:13.And the Department for Education have issued this statement,

:31:14. > :31:16."At the heart of our education reforms is the mission of ensuring

:31:17. > :31:18.that every child receives an excellent education that enables

:31:19. > :31:19.them to fulfil their potential regardless

:31:20. > :31:27.We are making progress with 1.4 million more children

:31:28. > :31:32.in good or outstanding schools than in 2010 and the attainment gap

:31:33. > :31:34.between disadvantaged pupils and their peers falling.

:31:35. > :31:37.We will provide ?20 million a year of new funding through our

:31:38. > :31:39.Northern Powerhouse Schools Strategy and have commissioned an in-depth

:31:40. > :31:41.review to understand the factors underpinning underperformance

:31:42. > :31:51.Still to come: Can Mourinho make United the "special ones" again?

:31:52. > :31:54.We get the views of fans and one former player - that's coming up

:31:55. > :32:08.How some taxi drivers are refusing to take guide dogs in their cars

:32:09. > :32:10.and why they're getting away with it.

:32:11. > :32:13.Here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:32:14. > :32:19.The latest intervention in the referendum debate predicts Britain

:32:20. > :32:22.would plunge into a year long recession. The leave campaigners say

:32:23. > :32:30.that treasury forecasts are wrong and no one predicted the last crash.

:32:31. > :32:40.They say leaving the EU would give the UK more freedom to trade with

:32:41. > :32:44.the rest of the world. The National Obesity Forum says

:32:45. > :32:54.official guidelines are to blame for a rise in obesity and type 2

:32:55. > :32:58.diabetes. The Prison Reform Trust says that

:32:59. > :33:02.children in chair should not be prosecuted for minor offences. A

:33:03. > :33:05.review by the trust describes the current situation as a tragic waste

:33:06. > :33:10.of young people's lives and of public money. It says the police

:33:11. > :33:14.often prosecute youngsters for the type of challenging behaviour it

:33:15. > :33:18.would normally be dealt with in the family home. It is known that 18

:33:19. > :33:22.girls between the ages of five and 12 were killed by a fire that swept

:33:23. > :33:26.through a school dormitory in northern Thailand. At least five

:33:27. > :33:34.girls were injured. The cause of the fire is not yet known. Officials say

:33:35. > :33:38.some of the dead have been roused by a dorm maid, but went back to sleep

:33:39. > :33:59.thinking it was a prank. The Mayor of London Siddique Khan

:34:00. > :34:01.has announced the long-awaited all-night tube service in the

:34:02. > :34:05.capital would be launched in the summer. The service will start on

:34:06. > :34:11.the central and Victoria lines on August 19, with some others in the

:34:12. > :34:18.autumn. Union officials still say they have some issues with the plan.

:34:19. > :34:25.Ruth Davidson has announced she is to marry her partner, Jen Wilson,

:34:26. > :34:29.while the pair were away over the weekend she popped the question. The

:34:30. > :34:34.Chancellor George Osborne has tweeted his congratulations to the

:34:35. > :34:39.couple. That is a summary of the latest news, more for you at ten

:34:40. > :34:44.o'clock. Let's catch up with the sport. Louis van Gaal has arrived at

:34:45. > :34:49.Manchester United's training ground this morning as the club prepare to

:34:50. > :34:53.replace. As of last night the manager had not been told by United

:34:54. > :34:58.that they have decided to appoint Jose Mourinho. Van Gaal said goodbye

:34:59. > :35:02.to some of his players and staff at the weekend, after winning the FA

:35:03. > :35:07.Cup, not knowing whether he would see them again. Jamie Vardy will

:35:08. > :35:10.miss the next match for England on Friday because he's getting married

:35:11. > :35:14.this week. Chris Woakes has been added to the England squad for the

:35:15. > :35:18.second test, starting at Durham on Friday, replacing Ben Stokes who is

:35:19. > :35:23.injured. Heather Watson will resume her first-round match at the French

:35:24. > :35:33.Open, a breakdown in the deciding set Nicole Gibbs after rain affected

:35:34. > :35:37.the opening day. -- a break down. Manchester United scrambled a

:35:38. > :35:42.victory in Saturday's FA Cup final against Crystal Palace but many say

:35:43. > :35:45.the win was unfairly overshadowed by the news that current manager Louis

:35:46. > :35:49.van Gaal is to be replaced by footballing veteran, Jose Mourinho.

:35:50. > :35:54.Fuel was added to the fire yesterday when van Gaal said it's over. The

:35:55. > :36:02.rumours broke just an hour after the FA Cup was lifted at Wembley. Today

:36:03. > :36:06.we are asking if it was there to oust van Gaal when he should have

:36:07. > :36:10.been celebrating his victory. Man Utd blogger Clare Moran and her

:36:11. > :36:15.father are here, along with Richard Singh, who says the club's game has

:36:16. > :36:20.become boring under van Gaal. Thank you for joining us. Clare, you were

:36:21. > :36:24.there, does it feel like this has overshadowed the victory? I think it

:36:25. > :36:28.has a bit. He could have been given a bit more time to have his moment

:36:29. > :36:34.and celebration. It was a bit unfair on him. Overall I think you must go.

:36:35. > :36:38.The football that has been played this season, it just has not been

:36:39. > :36:44.good enough, it has been boring, not been the United Way. He has not got

:36:45. > :36:49.Champions League football either. That is the minimum expectation is

:36:50. > :36:53.expected of him and he just failed. What do you think, Dave? I would

:36:54. > :36:57.agree with what Clare says, probably we should have waited before making

:36:58. > :37:03.any announcements. Although I think we are now where we should have been

:37:04. > :37:07.perhaps three years ago, bringing Mourinho in. Joanne? I agree, when I

:37:08. > :37:11.was there on Saturday I was glad that we did win, it was very nerve

:37:12. > :37:15.wracking at times. I think it is right van Gaal is going, the timing

:37:16. > :37:18.of the announcement is unfortunate but for me Mourinho is not the right

:37:19. > :37:23.appointment. I just worry about the fact that the man will overshadow

:37:24. > :37:26.the club. We have seen his past history, he has had great success

:37:27. > :37:32.but he can also be quite divisive. It has been said he doesn't have the

:37:33. > :37:35.most attacking style of play. And he doesn't necessarily bring on the

:37:36. > :37:38.young players, which is what I really want to see happening again

:37:39. > :37:49.at United, as was what was happening under Sir Alex Ferguson.

:37:50. > :38:03.What do you think? We had the chance to get him a few years ago. We

:38:04. > :38:09.didn't go for him. At the moment it is the only option we have. Are you

:38:10. > :38:16.glad Louis van Gaal is going? Very glad. Why? Similar reasons. Paul

:38:17. > :38:25.style of play. No Champions League. You have got the FA Cup final. Yeah,

:38:26. > :38:29.but that was a struggle. -- poor style of play. I thought we would go

:38:30. > :38:35.out and grab it. But it was a laboured dame. It is a shame that it

:38:36. > :38:42.happened so soon after, so he didn't get a chance to celebrate. --

:38:43. > :38:47.laboured game. They are not keen on Jose Mourinho, but you are. I think

:38:48. > :38:52.you get some bad press. I think he adapts to what is necessary. Look at

:38:53. > :38:56.his record, I mean, it is 12 years... Either first or second. I

:38:57. > :39:02.think once he was third. Second top goal-scorer in the league. That is

:39:03. > :39:05.what we want for Manchester United at the end of the day, bring some

:39:06. > :39:11.passion back. What about the point that he is too big a figure, he will

:39:12. > :39:17.overshadow the club? You mean that Alex Ferguson wasn't? True. Not at

:39:18. > :39:20.the start, he became that. If we want to be the biggest club in the

:39:21. > :39:24.world, we mustn't do what Arsenal have done. We need to win things. We

:39:25. > :39:29.need to get back up. Jose Mourinho is probably the only option. He

:39:30. > :39:32.wouldn't be my first race. I think is the best available now and I

:39:33. > :39:38.think we should go to him and start winning things. Do you think he will

:39:39. > :39:41.do good things? Yes. Are definitely come he is a winner, born winner,

:39:42. > :39:50.and that is what we need at the club. -- definitely, he is a winner.

:39:51. > :40:00.Who else were you thinking about? Laurent Blanc, he has played at

:40:01. > :40:03.United, which is a good thing. He is at PSG. You cannot we compare the

:40:04. > :40:09.two leagues, because there are only a couple of top clubs in their Lee,

:40:10. > :40:16.whereas over here we have about seven or eight easily. -- league.

:40:17. > :40:22.Ferguson's shoes were always going to be difficult to fill. It was

:40:23. > :40:29.always a concern. I have been a fan since we were not winning. If he

:40:30. > :40:32.became manager today and did not achieve success very quickly he

:40:33. > :40:39.would be out. That was his record when he first joined. They are huge

:40:40. > :40:42.shoes to fill. I think there are some good younger managers out there

:40:43. > :40:46.who could come, with a bit of nurturing and time, with some cash

:40:47. > :40:54.to spend, could be there for the longer run. Longer than I suspect

:40:55. > :40:57.Jose Mourinho would be there. With Claudio Ranieri last year, all of

:40:58. > :41:01.the commentators who were saying, look at what he has achieved. I

:41:02. > :41:12.think he will achieve, but I don't think he will be there for the long

:41:13. > :41:15.term, and that is what I want. How long did it take for Sir Alex

:41:16. > :41:21.Ferguson to win anything, and they wanted him out, but he was given

:41:22. > :41:25.time, wasn't he? I remember that period. It was difficult with Sir

:41:26. > :41:29.Alex. The team he inherited was completely different. Today it is

:41:30. > :41:35.different. We need to win things. We need excitement back. I think Jose

:41:36. > :41:39.Mourinho will bring that. Hopefully the right excitement but it will

:41:40. > :41:44.make things interesting again. Does it matter if he is a short-term

:41:45. > :41:47.manager? No. If it is three years, and we are winning things, it

:41:48. > :41:53.doesn't matter. I think he might surprise people. It has always been

:41:54. > :41:57.his dream position, which is another factor to take into account. He

:41:58. > :42:01.wants to be at United and create something special. He has achieved

:42:02. > :42:06.it elsewhere, why not in Manchester? We can now bring in Clayton

:42:07. > :42:14.Blackmore. Thank you for joining us. What do you think? It -- is it right

:42:15. > :42:23.Louis van Gaal is going? He has had a couple of years. He has done well

:42:24. > :42:28.in a couple of years, it took Sir Alex longer. I spoke to the fans,

:42:29. > :42:34.and a lot of people were not going to renew boxes if Louis van Gaal was

:42:35. > :42:37.still in charge. It is more down to the supporters. They need

:42:38. > :42:44.entertainment. They have had 30 years of attacking football. We

:42:45. > :42:50.haven't done a lot of crossing and shooting and scoring goals this

:42:51. > :42:53.season. What was it, then, just boring football, you think? It isn't

:42:54. > :43:00.boring, because they are keeping the ball. We have great players in the

:43:01. > :43:05.team. But we just don't make enough chances. We are not shooting enough

:43:06. > :43:11.at goal. Some said he had a problem with communicating. Did the build

:43:12. > :43:16.morale enough? I'm not sure about that. -- did the.

:43:17. > :43:21.Looking from the outside, the big thing was we were not taking enough

:43:22. > :43:30.risks, putting the ball in the box. At the start of the season, Wayne

:43:31. > :43:38.Rooney were given a lot of stick. Not playing upfront enough. A lot of

:43:39. > :43:42.other teams did and they all won. When you have two upfront, it works

:43:43. > :43:47.the centre halves, gets them tired. We have always been a keen to score

:43:48. > :43:52.late goals. If you have that kind of formation, the centre halves get

:43:53. > :43:58.tired. What do you think about Jose Mourinho? Top manager. Hopefully he

:43:59. > :44:03.has recovered from his stint of a season with Chelsea. When it comes

:44:04. > :44:08.to the club I think he will be fantastic for the club. Does it feel

:44:09. > :44:10.weird right now to be looking at what Leicester City achieved this

:44:11. > :44:16.season, and seeing where Manchester United are, and the fortunes of

:44:17. > :44:20.United, with what is going on with the manager, and everything else?

:44:21. > :44:25.Whoever is in charge at the start of next season, we look at Leicester

:44:26. > :44:31.City. I watched that Old Trafford this season, and they were the worst

:44:32. > :44:39.I have seen play there. But they have a good work ethic. They play

:44:40. > :44:44.good football. Nobody has mentioned them in the old days. I think Kasper

:44:45. > :44:49.Schmeichel has played as many to Jamie Vardy than anybody else.

:44:50. > :44:53.Thanks very much. Let us know if you have any thoughts on that. Coming

:44:54. > :44:56.up: The new warning over Brexit is set out by the Chancellor this

:44:57. > :44:59.morning. He is giving a speech with the Prime Minister at around ten

:45:00. > :45:03.o'clock. We will bring you that this.

:45:04. > :45:07.Sly dog owners are calling for stronger penalties for cab drivers

:45:08. > :45:12.who refuse to carry them. -- guide dogs. Owners are being let down

:45:13. > :45:16.because the penalties issued to taxi and minicab drivers who flout the

:45:17. > :45:20.law and refuse to take assistant dogs are inadequate. The charity's

:45:21. > :45:32.research shows the fines can be a slow as ?50. No higher than the

:45:33. > :45:35.fines given to people who avoid rail fare -- no higher than the fines

:45:36. > :45:50.given to somebody who has not bought a rail ticket. He loves the park.

:45:51. > :45:59.Yes, you do! RADIO: Can you do a pick up, 15

:46:00. > :46:01.Tanner Crescent? Oh, great, you've got

:46:02. > :46:04.one of those, have you? Listen, I'm not going anywhere

:46:05. > :46:14.with him in the back. Listen, you're all right, mate,

:46:15. > :46:23.but I don't want his kind I'll have you know, I'm

:46:24. > :46:32.a hard-working professional. It's my cab and I

:46:33. > :46:37.decide who gets in. I can't leave

:46:38. > :46:40.the house without him. I'm pretty sure this

:46:41. > :46:42.is illegal. I'm sorry, you know,

:46:43. > :47:08.you're just not getting in. Let's talk now to guide dog user

:47:09. > :47:11.Jade Sharp who's experienced this herself and Helen Honstvet

:47:12. > :47:13.from the charity Guide Dogs. And Steve McNamara,

:47:14. > :47:26.General Secretary of Thank you for coming in. Jade,

:47:27. > :47:31.you're here with your guide dog, it has happened to you, hasn't it? Tell

:47:32. > :47:36.us what your experiences have been. I have been refused by nine YouTuber

:47:37. > :47:45.taxis, YouTube erminy cabs in total. And what happened? Last May on 7th

:47:46. > :47:52.May me and a friend were going to a concert at the Fairfield Halls in

:47:53. > :47:57.Croydon. We got refused by four Uber mini-cabs in one day. Had they

:47:58. > :48:04.actually arrived and saw the dog? No, what happened was because I had

:48:05. > :48:11.been refused once previously by another taxi firm and in that case,

:48:12. > :48:18.the driver had turned up, seen Brodie and had driven off. Whenever

:48:19. > :48:22.I booked the Uber mini-cab on my phone, I would ring the driver in

:48:23. > :48:34.advance and tell him that I had a guide dog travelling with me.

:48:35. > :48:36.We have asked Uber for a comment. This is what they told this

:48:37. > :48:41.A spokesperson told the programme:"While the licensed

:48:42. > :48:43.drivers who use our app are self-employed we remind them

:48:44. > :48:46.of their legal obligation to take service animals before

:48:47. > :48:48.It is not acceptable to refuse guide dogs.

:48:49. > :48:51.Any Uber partner-driver who doesn't accept service animals not only

:48:52. > :48:52.risks having their Uber partnership revoked,

:48:53. > :48:56.but also risks having their private hire license taken away"

:48:57. > :49:03.When you are in it though, when you are unable to get where you want

:49:04. > :49:09.because you have been refused a ride because of the dog, how does that

:49:10. > :49:12.feel? It's frustrating really because I've got Brodie to be

:49:13. > :49:18.independent and to help me to go places and it feels like barriers

:49:19. > :49:23.are just being put up in my way. There is times now where I might

:49:24. > :49:28.want to go out somewhere and I just think to myself, "Should I take my

:49:29. > :49:32.white stick? Should I take my cane instead of using Brodie because I

:49:33. > :49:36.don't want to be refused again." How would that make you feel if you had

:49:37. > :49:41.to go down that route? I wouldn't want to do that because Brodie is

:49:42. > :49:46.there to make me more independent. He is there to help me when I'm out

:49:47. > :49:54.and about and I don't want to have to stop using him. And Helen, how

:49:55. > :49:58.much is this happening? So we did a survey last year and we found that

:49:59. > :50:03.at one point 75% of guide dog owners have been refused access from

:50:04. > :50:08.somewhere. And... Not just necessarily taxis? All sorts of

:50:09. > :50:13.shops. Restaurants, all sorts of places, but taxi and private hire

:50:14. > :50:16.vehicles are the most common place that guide dog owners have been

:50:17. > :50:20.refused access from. Is the law clear? Yes, the law is very clear

:50:21. > :50:25.and in fact, in many ways, it is strongest around taxis. Unless you

:50:26. > :50:32.have a valid medical exception certificate, you must take an

:50:33. > :50:36.assistance dog at no extra cost. Steve, are you aware of many drivers

:50:37. > :50:39.doing this? This is a particular problem with the money cab industry

:50:40. > :50:44.particularly the likes of Uber where the drivers are not known to the

:50:45. > :50:49.company. The company have a very light touch. To revert everyone back

:50:50. > :50:52.to the statement from Uber. They say they make their drivers aware. Not

:50:53. > :50:58.necessarily focussing on Uber, but in general, do you think drivers...

:50:59. > :51:02.Black cabs in London. Why would we not want to take people with

:51:03. > :51:07.assistance dogs? Can you guarantee that no black cab driver would

:51:08. > :51:11.refuse? I never heard of it. If you provide a service to London or any

:51:12. > :51:14.other city in the UK then you should provide a service to all those

:51:15. > :51:17.people. Can you imagine if we were sitting here and somebody was saying

:51:18. > :51:21.they refused to take someone because of their colour or their religion?

:51:22. > :51:24.There would be an outcry. Why is it that it is acceptable to refuse

:51:25. > :51:27.someone because they have got an assistance dog. It is a scandal.

:51:28. > :51:32.What is needed is greater training, what is needed is greater regulation

:51:33. > :51:37.and what we say should happen, there should be a one strike and you are

:51:38. > :51:46.out policy. If you are convicted of refusing to carry an assistance dog,

:51:47. > :51:51.your licence should be revoked. Helen, the law is clear. There is a

:51:52. > :51:58.system in place that allows for quite heavy fines, ?1,000. Is the

:51:59. > :52:01.system working effectively? We don't think that's a heavy enough fine. It

:52:02. > :52:06.is equivalent if you dodge a train fare or don't pay your TV licence,

:52:07. > :52:12.but Jade has talked about the real impact that this has on people's

:52:13. > :52:15.independence and some people considered giving up their guide dog

:52:16. > :52:18.because they don't feel confident going out and whether they will be

:52:19. > :52:24.refused. What we want is for the fine to be increased to ?2500 which

:52:25. > :52:30.would be a stronger deterrent and for all tax and meuby cabs drivers

:52:31. > :52:33.to have to disability and equality training as a condition of their

:52:34. > :52:38.licence. That's something we would welcome. Jade was talking about the

:52:39. > :52:42.fact that people are turned away not just from taxis and mini-cabs, and

:52:43. > :52:46.other places too. Do you get turned away much because of your dog? Well,

:52:47. > :52:53.a few years ago, me and my sister got refused from a Tesco's. We got

:52:54. > :52:57.told to leave because we had Brodie with us and I have also been refused

:52:58. > :53:01.from a local pub at home as well. Do you stand your ground and say,

:53:02. > :53:06."Explain why you have got the dog." I always say he is a guide dog, he

:53:07. > :53:11.is a working dog. He is allowed anywhere. And he is your eyes and

:53:12. > :53:16.ears? Yes. Thank you very much for coming in and talking to us. Let us

:53:17. > :53:18.know if you've ever had any experience around guide dogs as well

:53:19. > :53:33.and what your thoughts are on that. Wilko Johnson from Dr Feel Good will

:53:34. > :53:37.be in the studio. He was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given a

:53:38. > :53:39.year to live. A year after that a chance encounter led to his complete

:53:40. > :53:45.recovery. So we've already been

:53:46. > :53:47.warned that leaving the EU would lead to war in Europe,

:53:48. > :53:49.plummeting house prices, the NHS suffering and thousands

:53:50. > :53:51.of pounds disappearing Today, there's another dire

:53:52. > :53:54.prediction that Brexit would thrust the UK into what's being called

:53:55. > :53:57.a "DIY recession". Well, Vote Leave campaigners

:53:58. > :53:59.are urging people to ignore the so-called "voices

:54:00. > :54:01.of doom" and are deeply dismissive of the predictions

:54:02. > :54:05.in today's treasury report. Let's talk to our political

:54:06. > :54:16.guru, Norman Smith. Joanna, thank you very much. Well,

:54:17. > :54:20.this treasury report, the latest one, paints an extraordinary bleak

:54:21. > :54:25.picture suggesting 500,000 jobs could be lost. Now that's been

:54:26. > :54:29.dismissed by Leave campaigners as fantastical. The former Work and

:54:30. > :54:34.Pensions Secretary, said it was not honest and he joins me now, Iain

:54:35. > :54:40.Duncan Smith, welcome. When you said it was not honest. Are you saying

:54:41. > :54:45.that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor are deliberately

:54:46. > :54:49.misleading voters? What they're doing categorically, they are

:54:50. > :54:52.presenting only one worse case scenario and that ultimately will

:54:53. > :54:59.mislead voters into believing only one thing is feasible. The point

:55:00. > :55:02.about the Treasury report. The Chancellor himself in 2010 said we

:55:03. > :55:05.can no longer trust treasury reports. We have to have an

:55:06. > :55:09.independent report which is the OBR because treasury reports are fiddled

:55:10. > :55:12.with by politicians who get their forecasts twisted to meet their own

:55:13. > :55:17.demands. So I stand with that which is why we went independent, but here

:55:18. > :55:19.we are now with a treasury report, where the Government said we will

:55:20. > :55:22.remain regardless of the consequences and everything is set

:55:23. > :55:25.therefore to make people believe that there will be a terrible

:55:26. > :55:30.disaster if we leave. Now, treasury reports like all economic reports

:55:31. > :55:34.have a central case. You have a down side possibility and you have an

:55:35. > :55:39.upside possibility. Today, they haven't even bothered with the

:55:40. > :55:44.upside, Sajid Javid said we are not going to do that because it is not

:55:45. > :55:48.our responsibility, it is the responsibility of the other side. If

:55:49. > :55:52.you are using taxpayers money and you want to present a fair case to

:55:53. > :55:56.the British electorate where is the upside forecast and where is the

:55:57. > :55:59.risk of remaining from the euro area which we have been told by the MPC

:56:00. > :56:04.and others there is a tragedy if you leave because... So is this

:56:05. > :56:08.referendum rigged? I believe categorically at the moment the

:56:09. > :56:12.Government is misusing its powers, it is misusing the civil servants

:56:13. > :56:15.and public money, many of whom will be voting to leave, their money is

:56:16. > :56:18.being used to produce reports which should be fair and I would say the

:56:19. > :56:23.Government should be fair about this. Where is the upside case and

:56:24. > :56:28.where is the risk of remaining if the euro area continues where it is

:56:29. > :56:34.many Italian banks insolvent and unemployment at terrible levels.

:56:35. > :56:38.Where is the risk of remaining? Not one word from them about that? You

:56:39. > :56:42.know this is a biassed report. You say it is by asked and it is not

:56:43. > :56:46.fair. My question is whether they are deliberately lying? Because you

:56:47. > :56:52.said at the weekend that the Chancellor was a bit like Pinocchio.

:56:53. > :56:56.His nose gets longer as he tells fibs. That seems pretty clear you

:56:57. > :57:01.think Mr Osborne is lying? Well, let's put it like this. If you want

:57:02. > :57:05.a report to look bad, you ask them to look at only the very worst

:57:06. > :57:08.cases, in other words that you won't get any deal out of the European

:57:09. > :57:12.Union, there will be massive instable and it will get a long time

:57:13. > :57:15.to get a deal and the UK economy will crash. I could write that

:57:16. > :57:19.report. I don't need the Treasury to do that. I could write that down on

:57:20. > :57:23.the back of a fag packet. That's what they are doing. They have got a

:57:24. > :57:26.bunch of figures to suggest that's the case. Fairness says that you

:57:27. > :57:30.would put the other side of the case as well. Which is not in here and

:57:31. > :57:34.more importantly, what are the risk of remaining? They are abusing this.

:57:35. > :57:37.What is interesting about this, they put Sajid Javid up, a Business

:57:38. > :57:41.Secretary, a guy I know very well who himself has already said on many

:57:42. > :57:44.occasions that he doesn't believe... Did he say that recently to you?

:57:45. > :57:49.Well, you saw it in his article. That was a couple of years ago. No,

:57:50. > :57:52.no, when we broke up in the Cabinet to go and fight the referendum. Has

:57:53. > :57:56.he said to you actually. I haven't talked to him about this, but I know

:57:57. > :57:59.what his views were, that we should leave the European Union and the

:58:00. > :58:02.biggest risk and he others maintained is being in the European

:58:03. > :58:04.Union with the euro in such a crisis that it is at the moment. Iain

:58:05. > :58:08.Duncan Smith, thank you very much for your time. Joanna, we are

:58:09. > :58:12.talking about this report, we still haven't seen the report because it

:58:13. > :58:16.is not been handed out to journalists. All we have had so far

:58:17. > :58:19.actually is a press release from what the Treasury say are the main

:58:20. > :58:26.conclusions. We haven't yet had that report.

:58:27. > :58:30.Thank you, Norman. Let's catch up with the weather. Jay Wynne has the

:58:31. > :58:34.details. Good morning, Joanna. It is a bit of a mixed bag through the day

:58:35. > :58:38.today. Some us had a lovely start with sunshine and some of us will

:58:39. > :58:41.keep that into the afternoon. But we have seen a few showers and we will

:58:42. > :58:45.see the showers becoming more widespread as we get on into the

:58:46. > :58:49.afternoon. The satellite sequence confirms that many of us had a

:58:50. > :58:53.lovely start. Where we've got the sunshine at the moment, we are

:58:54. > :58:58.likely to see the cloud building and showers will be developing, but not

:58:59. > :59:01.for all. The showers will be in the inland areas in particular. So many

:59:02. > :59:05.coastal areas doing very well indeed. That should be the case

:59:06. > :59:09.across the western side of Scotland. Good spells of sunshine. Maybe a

:59:10. > :59:12.shower or two in Glasgow, but it will be dry for much of the time. It

:59:13. > :59:15.is the eastern side of Scotland which is more laukly to see showers

:59:16. > :59:18.and some could be heavy and thundery. Northern Ireland is large

:59:19. > :59:21.dry dry through the afternoon. Showers few and far between here.

:59:22. > :59:25.Northern England will see some showers, but over the Pennines. East

:59:26. > :59:30.of the Pennines, dry, but there is a cool breeze coming in from the North

:59:31. > :59:35.Sea. Tempering the temperatures somewhat. Head inland, 18 Celsius or

:59:36. > :59:38.19 Celsius possible. Sharp showers will develop through the Midlands

:59:39. > :59:42.towards the eastern side of Wales, but towards the south-west of

:59:43. > :59:47.England and Wales, fine and dry and good spells of sunshine. The showers

:59:48. > :59:50.will be there through this evening, but they will fade away overnight.

:59:51. > :59:55.By dawn it will be dry with clearing skies and it will turn chilly. Major

:59:56. > :59:58.towns and cities will be around seven, eight or nine Celsius. Rural

:59:59. > :00:02.spots will go lower than that. A chilly start to what should be a

:00:03. > :00:06.decent day on Tuesday. There is a keen breeze blowing down the eastern

:00:07. > :00:09.coast and it will bring low cloud with it and a chilly feel to things.

:00:10. > :00:13.Most places will be fine and dry just the odd shower in the south and

:00:14. > :00:18.the west. That's your weather for now.

:00:19. > :00:21.Hello it's Monday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

:00:22. > :00:23.welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:00:24. > :00:27.Our top story - One month to go until the EU referendum.

:00:28. > :00:30.The Treasury says a leave vote could trigger an immediate recession -

:00:31. > :00:39.remain campaigners say economic forecasts are frequently wrong.

:00:40. > :00:43.We expect to hear from David Cameron and George Osborne in the next few

:00:44. > :00:43.minutes. Also ahead: Official advice

:00:44. > :00:45.on a healthy diet is branded So just what should

:00:46. > :00:49.you eat to be slim? We'll discuss the arguments around

:00:50. > :01:02.low fat foods and obesity. We'll be speaking to 70s rock star

:01:03. > :01:11.Wilko Johnson who was given one year to live after he was diagnosed

:01:12. > :01:13.with cancer in 2012 - in that year he put out

:01:14. > :01:27.a bestselling album and went A chance encounter led to his

:01:28. > :01:33.recovery. We will have his story a little later.

:01:34. > :01:39.Maxine is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:40. > :01:43.The Treasury says a vote to leave the EU would mean the loss

:01:44. > :01:50.Its latest intervention in the referendum debate predicts

:01:51. > :01:52.that Britain would plunge into a year long recession.

:01:53. > :01:55.But Leave campaigners say Treasury forecasts are often wrong and no one

:01:56. > :01:59.They say leaving the EU would give the UK economy more freedom to trade

:02:00. > :02:03.We'll hear live from David Cameron and George Osborne in a few minutes.

:02:04. > :02:07.Iain Duncan Smith says that the report is misleading. I believe the

:02:08. > :02:09.government is misusing its powers. Misusing the civil servants. Public

:02:10. > :02:14.money, many of whom will be voting to leave, their money is being used

:02:15. > :02:15.to produce reports which should be fair. I am saying the government

:02:16. > :02:17.needs to be fair about this. A report examining why so many

:02:18. > :02:20.children in care end up in the criminal justice system,

:02:21. > :02:22.describes the current situation as a tragic waste of young people's

:02:23. > :02:25.lives and of public money. The review says police need

:02:26. > :02:27.to change the way they handle crimes involving children

:02:28. > :02:29.in the care system. There are also calls

:02:30. > :02:31.for the government to do more to help young people coming

:02:32. > :02:33.out of care. Lord Laming, a former probation

:02:34. > :02:36.officer and director of social Coming into the care system ought

:02:37. > :02:41.to be the trigger that It ought to be the foundation

:02:42. > :02:48.on which they can develop social skills, have their educational needs

:02:49. > :02:50.addressed, where they can develop optimism for the future and

:02:51. > :03:11.self-confidence within themselves. Tackling the attainment gap between

:03:12. > :03:15.rich and poor pupils is the key to print -- key to improving failing

:03:16. > :03:18.schools, according to a new report. The Institute

:03:19. > :03:25.for Public Policy Research finds that at primary school,

:03:26. > :03:27.the region gets about ?4,500 per pupil, which is about

:03:28. > :03:29.the national average, At secondary level, the North gets

:03:30. > :03:33.about ?1300 less than London. The institute warns

:03:34. > :03:40.of a North South academic divide. Time is called children are doing

:03:41. > :03:43.well. When they go to secondary school, in the Midlands and the

:03:44. > :03:48.North of England, they are doing very badly. Something like two

:03:49. > :03:50.thirds of the schools in special measures are in the north and in the

:03:51. > :03:51.Midlands. President Obama has lifted

:03:52. > :03:53.a longstanding ban on selling weapons to the Vietnamese government

:03:54. > :03:56.- during a visit to the country. Mr Obama said the decision

:03:57. > :03:59.removes one of the last traces of Cold War hostility -

:04:00. > :04:01.though future arms sales would still need to satisfy US

:04:02. > :04:06.government rules on human rights. A fire has swept through a school

:04:07. > :04:08.dormitory in Northern Thailand, killing at least seventeen girls,

:04:09. > :04:11.who were asleep. The private school teaches students

:04:12. > :04:14.aged between six and thirteen - at least five other girls

:04:15. > :04:17.were injured and two are missing. The cause of the fire

:04:18. > :04:24.is not yet known. The Mayor of London,

:04:25. > :04:26.Sadiq Khan, has announced that the the long-awaited all-night

:04:27. > :04:29.weekend Tube service in the capital The service will start

:04:30. > :04:32.on the Central and Victoria lines on August 19th -

:04:33. > :04:36.with some other lines in the Autumn. Union officials at the RMT say

:04:37. > :04:39.they still have some issues The Scottish Conservative leader -

:04:40. > :04:45.Ruth Davidson - has announced She popped the question

:04:46. > :04:50.to Jen Wilson while the pair The MSP posted a picture of

:04:51. > :04:55.an engagement ring on social media. The Chancellor George Osborne has

:04:56. > :04:56.tweeted his congratulations Adele's domination of the music

:04:57. > :05:04.world continues after she was named Top Artist at last night's

:05:05. > :05:08.Billboard Music awards in Las Vegas. Other top prizes went to Rihanna

:05:09. > :05:11.in the fan-voted chart achievement award and Justin Bieber got

:05:12. > :05:16.top male artist. But the highlight of the show

:05:17. > :05:19.was a tribute to Prince by Madonna, who was joined by surprise guest

:05:20. > :05:25.Stevie Wonder. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:26. > :05:38.News - more at 10.30. Thank you. Earlier we heard from a

:05:39. > :05:42.guide dog owner who is calling for strong penalties for cab drivers who

:05:43. > :05:46.refuse to carry them. You have been getting in touch. Peter says people

:05:47. > :05:50.with guide dogs should wear cameras on them at the shoulders and create

:05:51. > :05:55.a name and shame website to force councils to act against taxi

:05:56. > :05:59.drivers. Brenda has tweeted, guide dogs are so well-behaved, how can

:06:00. > :06:01.they refuse to take them? Service dogs are bold and invaluable. Ugly

:06:02. > :06:06.to refuse them. -- gold. Do get in touch with us

:06:07. > :06:08.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

:06:09. > :06:17.and If you text, you will be charged Let's catch up with the sport.

:06:18. > :06:22.It seems the United hierarchy have been spending a lot of time recently

:06:23. > :06:26.to decide between Louis van Gaal and Jose Mourinho, but have they been

:06:27. > :06:31.making a different decision? Jose Mourinho or Ryan Giggs? Ryan Giggs,

:06:32. > :06:36.a record breaker for almost three decades at Old Trafford, but what is

:06:37. > :06:41.his future now Jose Mourinho is arriving? Our reporter is with me. A

:06:42. > :06:46.lot of uncertainty around Ryan Giggs come he has a big decision to make.

:06:47. > :06:52.He has. He is a pivotal figure in the history of Manchester United.

:06:53. > :06:56.Certainly over the last 25 years he's the most decorated player at

:06:57. > :07:01.the club. Even as recently as November he was seen as the man who

:07:02. > :07:04.would follow when Louis van how's slipstream and eventually become

:07:05. > :07:11.their next manager. -- Louis van Gaal's. That isn't going to happen

:07:12. > :07:14.now. Question is, does Ryan Giggs stay at United? We think he will be

:07:15. > :07:19.offered a coaching position under Jose Mourinho. Does he accept that

:07:20. > :07:23.and work and a third manager after Louis van Gaal and David Moyes, or.

:07:24. > :07:27.Ryan Giggs find another job within the Manchester United system, the

:07:28. > :07:31.club he knows so well, or does he make the biggest decision of all,

:07:32. > :07:39.which would be to leave Manchester United and further his managerial

:07:40. > :07:43.ambitions elsewhere? -- or does Ryan Giggs find another job. He would

:07:44. > :07:49.have offers, he would get a job, but it would be a huge step for somebody

:07:50. > :07:52.like him to leave United. He's so synonymous with fantastic moment at

:07:53. > :07:59.Manchester United. His 29 years at the club. -- fantastic moments. And

:08:00. > :08:03.United have to make a decision whether they cut ties with somebody

:08:04. > :08:08.who has been involved with so much of their recent history. He has so

:08:09. > :08:14.much vast knowledge at Manchester United. It would be silly for them

:08:15. > :08:18.to lose him. They have a view of their club, whether that exist in

:08:19. > :08:22.reality, it certainly plays in the longevity of their managers, giving

:08:23. > :08:27.people time. Ryan Giggs represent everything about that. I think they

:08:28. > :08:31.would be reluctant to lose that. It is a question of whether Ryan Giggs

:08:32. > :08:36.is willing to work and it yet another manager. The developments

:08:37. > :08:38.will begin testing of the next little while. We understand Louis

:08:39. > :08:44.van Gaal has arrived at the training ground. Could we have development

:08:45. > :08:47.over his future, and Jose Mourinho's in the next 24 to 48 hours? Back to

:08:48. > :08:50.you. The Chancellor, George Osborne

:08:51. > :08:54.is about to use a speech to claim that a vote to leave the EU

:08:55. > :08:56.will plunge the UK into a self-inflicted

:08:57. > :08:58.year-long recession, It's the latest in a series

:08:59. > :09:01.of doom-laden warnings from the Remain camp,

:09:02. > :09:03.and is based on an analysis But Leave campaigners say it's

:09:04. > :09:06.misleading and biased, We'll hear from Mr Osborne

:09:07. > :09:11.in a moment, but first we can go back to our political

:09:12. > :09:21.guru, Norman Smith. Tell us more about how this

:09:22. > :09:27.conclusion has been reached. They have top civil servant in the

:09:28. > :09:31.Treasury to look at what would happen to the pound, in particular,

:09:32. > :09:34.and calculating the impact that would have in terms of interest

:09:35. > :09:40.rates, in terms of imports, they've also factored in business

:09:41. > :09:43.uncertainty. The result of that is very stark. They are saying

:09:44. > :09:49.something like half a million jobs could go. They are saying the

:09:50. > :09:56.economy could be 6% smaller. House prices might be growing 18% smaller.

:09:57. > :10:00.The pound could plummet by up to 15%. Everything from the cost of

:10:01. > :10:09.food, two cloves, to mortgages, all of that would go up. -- to clothes.

:10:10. > :10:16.It is doom laden, this report. The Chancellor and David Cameron will be

:10:17. > :10:21.appearing here soon. They are saying this would be a DIY recession, get

:10:22. > :10:25.the pond, they are at a DIY store will stop they say this because we

:10:26. > :10:33.would be creating it ourselves if we voted to leave the EU. -- get the

:10:34. > :10:38.pun? The response to this has been ferocious. -- they are at a DIY

:10:39. > :10:44.store. Senior figures accusing the PM and the Chancellor of telling

:10:45. > :10:48.lies. We had Iain Duncan Smith last night saying that he thought the

:10:49. > :10:51.Chancellor was a bit like Pinocchio, his nose was getting longer and

:10:52. > :11:00.longer as he told more and more lies. We have had Doris Johnson

:11:01. > :11:07.saying these are fantasy bogey men. -- Boris Johnson. He suggested that

:11:08. > :11:14.George Osborne's pants were on fire. They are, in effect, it seems,

:11:15. > :11:17.accusing people they work closely with all, basically, misleading the

:11:18. > :11:23.public. The whole nature of this referendum has become ever more

:11:24. > :11:28.incendiary. The thought I am left with is, how on earth, once this is

:11:29. > :11:33.all over, the two sides come back together? When you have accusations.

:11:34. > :11:35.People peddling lies. It seems to be difficult for them to bring this

:11:36. > :11:42.party back together. We were hearing from voters earlier.

:11:43. > :11:46.However you speak to, everybody seems to say, what I want is a list

:11:47. > :11:50.of the pros and cons, a list of the clear facts, can you get that

:11:51. > :11:54.anywhere? It is difficult to get absolute

:11:55. > :11:58.gospel truth. That is one of the things that has emerged in this

:11:59. > :12:02.referendum. Every set of figures you produce is argued about by one side.

:12:03. > :12:08.The figures almost become ammunition, as opposed to holy

:12:09. > :12:11.grails of truth, which, somehow, Shine a light on one particular

:12:12. > :12:16.side. It is very difficult to get that. What has made it harder in

:12:17. > :12:24.that sort of environment is the way both sides seem to be just eggs and

:12:25. > :12:37.-- to be just accent treating their argument. We were told we would have

:12:38. > :12:43.thousands of migrants coming over from places like Albania. --

:12:44. > :12:48.accentuating. It might be further down the line that Turkey is given

:12:49. > :12:53.membership, but I think it is not in a short-term time frame. There is a

:12:54. > :12:56.case of ramping that argument up. And on the other side, the

:12:57. > :13:03.Chancellor wants to accent you wait the risks of leaving the EU,

:13:04. > :13:06.painting this dark picture. -- accentuate the risks. But this is

:13:07. > :13:11.forecasting, it isn't biblical truth, you are just trying to give

:13:12. > :13:15.your best guess. It will never be an absolute truth. But it is presented

:13:16. > :13:21.almost as a hard fact. The argument is no longer about the fax. It has

:13:22. > :13:25.become something about credibility, about, who do you believe, somebody

:13:26. > :13:31.like Boris Johnson, or somebody like George Osborne. It has become that

:13:32. > :13:40.gut instinct decision. In terms of the language being used,

:13:41. > :13:43.project fear is a phrase we hear. Today the Chancellor will be

:13:44. > :13:53.describing the status quo as a brighter future. The indications of

:13:54. > :13:59.what would happen if we went out. Do you think we should put the argument

:14:00. > :14:05.in more positive language? I don't think so. The Treasury and

:14:06. > :14:09.the government look back at the Scottish referendum. There was

:14:10. > :14:14.criticism at the time. People said the government fought a negative

:14:15. > :14:17.campaign. A warning of what would happen to the Scottish currency if

:14:18. > :14:22.they couldn't follow Stalin, would they have to have their own, would

:14:23. > :14:31.they have to join the euro... -- if they could not follow Sterling. They

:14:32. > :14:36.know that accentuating the risks makes people stop and think, do I

:14:37. > :14:41.really want to take this gamble? I think they think it works. There

:14:42. > :14:47.might be a positive linear, but I think they will still keep hammering

:14:48. > :14:51.on the economic risks. We've already had it. We had that report a few

:14:52. > :14:55.weeks ago saying each household would be roughly ?4300 worse off.

:14:56. > :15:01.They will keep hammering away at the risks. At the end of the day it

:15:02. > :15:05.makes people think. They look back at Scotland and think it worked

:15:06. > :15:10.there, it will probably work in this referendum, too. I think we will get

:15:11. > :15:14.more of project fear the longer this referendum goes.

:15:15. > :15:20.Thank you. There is no sign of the Prime Minister or the Chancellor for

:15:21. > :15:21.now. Let me give you the details if you would like to take part in one

:15:22. > :15:25.of our debates. Have you decided how

:15:26. > :15:26.you're going to vote Well, you are very welcome to take

:15:27. > :15:31.part in one of our big TV audience On 6th June, we're in Manchester

:15:32. > :15:34.just over a fortnight It's open to everyone and will take

:15:35. > :15:38.place in our normal airtime If you want to take part

:15:39. > :15:42.and can get to Manchester from wherever you are in the UK,

:15:43. > :15:44.do e-mail victoria@bbc.co.uk to have your chance to quiz senior

:15:45. > :15:58.politicians from the leave Well, they are keeping us waiting so

:15:59. > :16:02.we will move on for now, but we will go back to David Cameron and George

:16:03. > :16:06.Osborne when they arrive and start speaking. We reckon it is five

:16:07. > :16:10.minutes away. So right now, we are going to talk about another row

:16:11. > :16:12.that's been brewing today. It is about what we should eat to stay

:16:13. > :16:17.slim. Don't fear fat, fat is your friend -

:16:18. > :16:20.that's according to the National Obesity Forum who has suggested that

:16:21. > :16:23.eating fat could help cut obesity The charity says that promoting low

:16:24. > :16:27.fat foods has led to "disastrous health consequences" and is calling

:16:28. > :16:29.for a major overhaul Public Health England have strongly

:16:30. > :16:34.criticised the claims. Joining me now is Aseem Malhotra,

:16:35. > :16:38.a senior adviser to the National Obesity Forum and Victoria Taylor,

:16:39. > :16:48.a senior dietician at Thank you very much both for joining

:16:49. > :16:54.us. Why do you think fat is good, low-fat is bad? Yeah, I think the

:16:55. > :16:58.public health messaging for decades has demonised fats, you should avoid

:16:59. > :17:02.fat because of a risk of heart disease. We look at the evidence,

:17:03. > :17:06.that isn't the case. The problems that happen is people have reduced

:17:07. > :17:10.their fat intake and they are eating a lot of stamp and refined

:17:11. > :17:12.carbohydrates and sugar which is a problem driving many chronic

:17:13. > :17:17.diseases. That's really at the heart of it. This is based on flawed

:17:18. > :17:20.science, but it has been exacerbated by commercial influence and this

:17:21. > :17:25.advice needs to change and ultimately what this is about is

:17:26. > :17:32.whole nutritious foods. The demonisation of fat has driven

:17:33. > :17:37.people away from eating eggs, oily fish and nuts, foods which are high

:17:38. > :17:45.in fat, but reduce cardiovascular disease. Fat makes you feel fuller

:17:46. > :17:51.for longer and when you eat whole foods and reduce the refined carbs

:17:52. > :17:58.and sugar, which is a real issue for people with Type 2 diabetes... Are

:17:59. > :18:04.you packing loads in. I want to get Victoria's response to what's at the

:18:05. > :18:09.heart of that has fat been demonised and is it doing us harm? There has

:18:10. > :18:16.been a huge amount of debate around should we eat fat, should we eat

:18:17. > :18:21.cash owe high democrats and butter and margarine and we need to see a

:18:22. > :18:26.review of all of the evidence which is one of the problems with

:18:27. > :18:29.nutrition because it is very complex and so it is not just about

:18:30. > :18:33.randomised control trials, it is about co heart studies and

:18:34. > :18:35.observational study which need to be drawn together. The thing for the

:18:36. > :18:41.population in terms of what should I do about this? Is that it is not

:18:42. > :18:45.about single foods, single nutrients or single risk factors in terms of

:18:46. > :18:51.your cardiovascular disease risk. When you change one thing, it knocks

:18:52. > :18:55.something else out. You need to take a balanced approach. People will be

:18:56. > :18:58.watching and saying what can I eat? You are saying low-fat is bad and

:18:59. > :19:03.you are saying you have to look at the whole diet. Would you say the

:19:04. > :19:07.promotion of fat over fat has been a bad thing? I think the dietary

:19:08. > :19:14.guidelines that we have are robust. They are based on evidence and they

:19:15. > :19:21.are, the problem with our diets is we're not necessarily following the

:19:22. > :19:25.dietary guidance. No one is clear what the dietary guidance is? When

:19:26. > :19:29.there is new evidence, it is an evolving field, but we need to look

:19:30. > :19:33.at that systematicically to be able to make guidelines that are sensible

:19:34. > :19:36.and aren't going to change every week, every month. Do you think

:19:37. > :19:40.you're helping anyone with what you're coming out with today? The

:19:41. > :19:45.headlines in the newspapers, the way the story has been reported is

:19:46. > :19:52.conflicting, confusing, people will say I no longer have any idea? I

:19:53. > :19:56.have done a lot of work with the media and the media like a good row.

:19:57. > :20:01.In term of are we helping people? One of the co-authors is a GP who

:20:02. > :20:05.actually, you know, has followed this advice we're recommending to

:20:06. > :20:08.his patients up north and he is a clinical lead for diabetes for the

:20:09. > :20:14.Royal College of General Practicioners and he won an NHS

:20:15. > :20:20.innovation award by ignoring conventional wisdom and saved

:20:21. > :20:26.?45,000 inary, compared to other GP practises giving this advice,

:20:27. > :20:32.reversed Type 2 diabetes in his patients and people are coming off

:20:33. > :20:40.insulin. There is clearly some benefit here. Public Health England

:20:41. > :20:46.say call for people to cut out fat and say what you are talking about

:20:47. > :20:50.is quoting 43 studies some of which were comment pieces versus thousands

:20:51. > :20:53.of studies being considered? I'm disappointed with the reaction from

:20:54. > :20:56.Public Health England. At the heart of the report is how the

:20:57. > :20:59.establishment misled us. How industry is too close to guideline

:21:00. > :21:04.bodies including Public Health England who have been called out by

:21:05. > :21:08.the Press Association about the fact that the food industry had influence

:21:09. > :21:13.over their guidance. This is not cherry-picking. The actual period of

:21:14. > :21:17.reviewed studies are large reviewsment some of them Cambridge

:21:18. > :21:20.MRC, and some supported by the British Heart Foundation. Are you

:21:21. > :21:24.saying there is a conspiracy that duped us all in terms of what is

:21:25. > :21:27.right and wrong to eat? The industry are too close to what should be

:21:28. > :21:31.independent scientists and we made it very clear that the real scandal

:21:32. > :21:38.isn't the food industry who are there to make profit, it is the fact

:21:39. > :21:41.that we have collusion between doctors for financial gain. What

:21:42. > :21:45.evidence have you got of that? Well, how much time have you got? Well,

:21:46. > :21:49.that's quite a claim. That you are saying that the studies that they

:21:50. > :21:54.are talking about can't be relied on? I'm saying the overall influence

:21:55. > :21:57.on the dietary guyance. Until recently, before Public Health

:21:58. > :22:04.England changed their eat well plate to an eat well guide, they had a

:22:05. > :22:07.full sugared red can of cola on the plate. What was that doing on the

:22:08. > :22:11.plate? It is very clear that the only reason for that is because it

:22:12. > :22:15.was industry, food industry influence which is not acceptable

:22:16. > :22:19.and that for me as a doctor, I want to make clinical decisions for my

:22:20. > :22:25.patients based on independent evidence, not biassed information.

:22:26. > :22:29.If I am making decisions for my patients based on biassed

:22:30. > :22:36.information that is unethical. People will be going, "I have no

:22:37. > :22:40.idea anymore what to do." Avoid processed foods of the don't buy

:22:41. > :22:47.processed foods that are marketed as low-fat. Often they are full of

:22:48. > :22:51.sugar. Eat lots of vegetable, oily fish and nuts, and I think... That's

:22:52. > :22:56.simple, that's straightforward. If everybody agrees on that, why does

:22:57. > :23:00.there have to be this dispute between you and Public Health

:23:01. > :23:04.England about what's the right thing to do? Because Public Health England

:23:05. > :23:07.have clearly on their guidance, their eat well guide recommended a

:23:08. > :23:11.significant reduction in fat and some of the foods that are high in

:23:12. > :23:17.fat are very beneficial for your health and overall. It depends on

:23:18. > :23:23.what fats? Absolutely. Vegetable oils are promoted as healthy because

:23:24. > :23:28.they are low cholesterol. When you heat vegetable oils to high

:23:29. > :23:33.temperatures, they produce toxic compounds linked to cancer. It is a

:23:34. > :23:38.minefield, isn't it? The oils are in the eat well guide, it is not about

:23:39. > :23:44.their cholesterol levels. The other sources of unsaturated fats are in

:23:45. > :23:49.other sections, whether you are eating oily fish or avocados, they

:23:50. > :23:53.are in the eat well guide. The reason why the section reduced is

:23:54. > :23:57.because the sugary foods, which some of are high in fat, biscuits and

:23:58. > :24:02.cakes, have been taken out of the eat well guide to make it sort of,

:24:03. > :24:07.the foods that we should be eating every day, are actually the one that

:24:08. > :24:16.is will benefit our health. It comes down to common sense, knowing, we

:24:17. > :24:20.were hearing there, the simple foods that were always around, the

:24:21. > :24:22.traditional diets people used to follow before processed foods,

:24:23. > :24:26.that's the sort of thing? It is about eating a balanced diet. It is

:24:27. > :24:29.not just about fats and carbohydrates, but you need to think

:24:30. > :24:34.about proteins and the fruit and vegetables that you eat. If you eat

:24:35. > :24:37.a balanced diet, it will be a satisfying diet and it will give you

:24:38. > :24:42.all the knewtry ents for good health. Peter says, "No food is bad.

:24:43. > :24:47.Greed is unhealthy. It is as simple as that. We should eat more fat.

:24:48. > :24:52.Eggs, oily fish are essential for our bodies." Another viewer says,

:24:53. > :24:57."You need to eat fat to burn fat. Everybody who says that is thin."

:24:58. > :25:01.Thank you for joining us and let us know what you think about what what

:25:02. > :25:06.you should be eating. Are you clear on it?

:25:07. > :25:09.Austria could be on the verge of becoming the first EU country

:25:10. > :25:11.to vote into power a far-right head of state.

:25:12. > :25:13.Last month, Norbert Hofer, from the Freedom Party,

:25:14. > :25:16.won the first round of voting for the post of President.

:25:17. > :25:18.He is an anti-immigrant, gun enthusiast and has

:25:19. > :25:21.carried his Glock pistol around with him on the campaign trail.

:25:22. > :25:23.He now faces the former leader of the Green Party, Alexander Van

:25:24. > :25:27.Early results suggest it will be a close race.

:25:28. > :25:28.In Austria, the president traditionally plays

:25:29. > :25:31.a largely ceremonial role but swears in the Chancellor and can

:25:32. > :25:34.Support for the Freedom Party has risen because of fears

:25:35. > :25:37.Austria took in 90,000 asylum seekers last year,

:25:38. > :25:44.After opening their borders to a wave of migrants

:25:45. > :25:49.We can speak to our Austria correspondent Bethany Bell

:25:50. > :26:02.Bethany, the country is split down the middle, isn't it? Yes, it is a

:26:03. > :26:07.real cliffhanger this morning. We still don't know who is going to be

:26:08. > :26:11.the next president to take up residence in the Presidential Palace

:26:12. > :26:17.here behind me. At the moment, the projection are it is 50% for the

:26:18. > :26:22.far-right candidate, and 50% for his rival who is a former head of the

:26:23. > :26:26.Green Party. And really, this country is very, very dividedment on

:26:27. > :26:31.the one hand, there are the supporters of the Freedom Party, the

:26:32. > :26:33.far-right who are more nationalistic, they are

:26:34. > :26:41.Euro-sceptic, they are worried about the migrant crisis. On the other

:26:42. > :26:46.hand, there are the supporters of the other candidate who WHO is

:26:47. > :26:51.pro-Europe. They say Austria is a wealthy country, it can deal with

:26:52. > :26:56.the migrants, it is at the moment, it is one half of the country

:26:57. > :27:01.against the other. We are going to go now to David Cameron and George

:27:02. > :27:06.Osborne. They are going to be talking about the latest treasury

:27:07. > :27:10.forecasts of what could happen in the event of Brexit in the

:27:11. > :27:14.referendum on 23rd June. They have just arrived actually. They are

:27:15. > :27:21.being introduced right now, but the arguments that they're talking about

:27:22. > :27:26.today centre on what George Osborne says would be a DIY recession,

:27:27. > :27:31.quitting the European Union, George Osborne says would plunge Britain

:27:32. > :27:36.into a year-long recession. The country would suffer a profound

:27:37. > :27:39.economic shock. It is based on treasury analysis released ahead of

:27:40. > :27:45.the referendum which happens one month today.

:27:46. > :27:50.APPLAUSE Well, thank you for that and good

:27:51. > :27:54.morning, it is great to be back at B, thank you for coming today.

:27:55. > :27:58.This country has worked incredibly hard to recover from the recession

:27:59. > :28:02.of seven years ago. Businesses have invested, people have taken risks,

:28:03. > :28:07.companies have come to this country, but above all, the people of Britain

:28:08. > :28:11.have worked incredibly hard to get over that recession. And the two of

:28:12. > :28:16.us have worked together to try and put the right framework in place.

:28:17. > :28:21.Now, we haven't got every decision right. But the deficit is right

:28:22. > :28:27.down. The economy is growing. We're creating jobs. Britain is making

:28:28. > :28:32.things again. And making its way in the world genl. 2.4 million more

:28:33. > :28:37.people in work. We have got low inflation. We have almost got one

:28:38. > :28:42.million more businesses than when we first got our jobs in 2010. But yes,

:28:43. > :28:46.we still have a long way to go. Yes, there is more to do. But I think

:28:47. > :28:53.there can be no doubt, Britain is on the right track. I don't want us to

:28:54. > :28:57.do anything that sets us on the wrong track. After all, that's

:28:58. > :29:02.really the job description of a Prime Minister to safeguard the

:29:03. > :29:06.nation's security and exactly a month from today, we're going to

:29:07. > :29:10.make a decision that will determine our future security. I believe that

:29:11. > :29:17.leaving the EU would put our security at huge risk. That it would

:29:18. > :29:22.be the wrong track for Britain. Why? Because as we know, and as even

:29:23. > :29:27.Leave campaigners now freely admit, we would lose full access to the

:29:28. > :29:31.European single market. We would be abandoning the largest market place

:29:32. > :29:35.in the world. Half a billion people. It is a market which Britain helped

:29:36. > :29:40.to create and which is the source of so much of our economic security.

:29:41. > :29:45.Now inside that market, our businesses can trade freely and

:29:46. > :29:49.investors can invest here easily and that keeps our economy growing, that

:29:50. > :29:52.keeps our jobs safe and keeps the pound strong, keeps our families

:29:53. > :29:56.secure. It means that a business from here in Eastleigh can get their

:29:57. > :30:02.goods to market anywhere in the EU and get better access to all the

:30:03. > :30:09.places with which the EU has trade deals. So no Spanish importer saying

:30:10. > :30:13.to our manufacturers that doesn't fit our regulationses, no tariffs,

:30:14. > :30:19.no barriers, just Britain doing what we need to do, getting out there and

:30:20. > :30:22.trading with our neighbours. Now, leaving this arrangement, our

:30:23. > :30:28.special status, in the EU is a leap in the dark because no one has said

:30:29. > :30:31.what we would have in its place. We heard last month from the Treasury

:30:32. > :30:37.that the long-term impact of leaving would be a cost to every household

:30:38. > :30:39.elive quantity to ?4300. Today we publish analysis of what would

:30:40. > :30:45.happen in the short-term, in the months and years after a British

:30:46. > :30:48.exit. As businesses freeze up, confidence drains, and uncertainty

:30:49. > :30:54.clouds over and an economic shock shakes our nation.

:30:55. > :30:59.The Chancellor will go into the details shortly. I want to talk

:31:00. > :31:02.about the impact on your life, your job, your home, your weekly shop,

:31:03. > :31:11.your monthly bills, these things are all at risk. As the Bank of England

:31:12. > :31:15.has said, as the IMF has undermined, and the Treasury has now confirmed

:31:16. > :31:18.that the shock after leaving the EU would tip the country into

:31:19. > :31:22.recession. It could be for the first time in history a recession brought

:31:23. > :31:28.on ourselves. As I stand here, it would be a DIY recession. It really

:31:29. > :31:33.matters to everyone. Someone asked in this debate and the other day,

:31:34. > :31:38.you know, that's the economic case, what about the moral case? But don't

:31:39. > :31:42.they realise the economic case is the moral case. The moral case for

:31:43. > :31:46.keeping parent in work, firms in business, the pound in health,

:31:47. > :31:49.Britain in credit. The moral case for providing economic opportunity

:31:50. > :31:53.rather than unemployment for the next generation. Where is the morale

:31:54. > :31:58.of the inputting any of that at risk for some unknown end? This

:31:59. > :32:01.government was elected just over a year ago to deliver security at

:32:02. > :32:06.every stage of life. To build a greater Britain out of a great

:32:07. > :32:10.recession. And after all of the pain, all of the sacrifice of the

:32:11. > :32:15.British people, why would we want to put it at risk again? It would be

:32:16. > :32:18.like surviving a fall and then running straight back to the cliff

:32:19. > :32:23.edge. It is the self-destruct option. So much of this debate is

:32:24. > :32:27.muddied and overshadowed by speculation, but who says what about

:32:28. > :32:32.whom, who was in which camp, we need to strip away the drama and focus on

:32:33. > :32:36.real life. This isn't about political parties or personalities

:32:37. > :32:41.or prime ministers, it is about you, your money, and your life. The

:32:42. > :32:46.stakes couldn't be higher. The risks couldn't be greater. In my view, the

:32:47. > :32:51.choice couldn't be clearer. Leave Europe and put it risk what we have

:32:52. > :32:54.achieved. Stay in Europe and stay on the right track. And now it is time

:32:55. > :33:02.to hear that analysis of the short-term impact. Overdue,

:33:03. > :33:07.Chancellor. -- over to you. Thanks. It is great to be back here.

:33:08. > :33:11.It is going to be a great British company doing well. The Treasury has

:33:12. > :33:14.already published detailed analysis of what they vote to leave would do

:33:15. > :33:18.to Britain's economy over the long-term. The results showed

:33:19. > :33:27.Britain would be permanently poorer to the tune of ?4300 per household.

:33:28. > :33:31.But as ?4300 each and every year. -- that is. That is the long-term goal

:33:32. > :33:36.for leaving the EU. But what about the immediate impact? What will it

:33:37. > :33:41.mean next month, next year, what will it mean for you? The Treasury

:33:42. > :33:46.is publishing its detailed and rigorous analysis of the immediate

:33:47. > :33:52.impact of leaving the EU on growth, jobs, prices, wages, house prices,

:33:53. > :33:59.and on our nation's finances. The conclusion is all would be hit. Why

:34:00. > :34:03.is that? Households and businesses will know that Britain is going to

:34:04. > :34:11.be poorer in the future. So they will start cutting back now. That

:34:12. > :34:17.has an effect on the economy now. Leaving the EU create a huge amount

:34:18. > :34:21.of uncertainty. We have just to years to work out how to lead EU,

:34:22. > :34:25.two the years to find a new working relationship with our European

:34:26. > :34:31.neighbours, two years to do trade deals with over 50 other non-EU

:34:32. > :34:35.countries, two years to introduce a load of new regulations here at

:34:36. > :34:40.home. In other words, two years, at the very least, of complete

:34:41. > :34:43.uncertainty, and probably more. What will British businesses be doing

:34:44. > :34:48.during those two years? They will be watching and waiting nervously. They

:34:49. > :34:53.will delay purchasing new machinery, they will put on hold making plans

:34:54. > :34:58.for new premises. They will not be taking on new people. Some will that

:34:59. > :35:03.existing people go. What about families? How are they likely to

:35:04. > :35:07.respond? Families will also be uncertain about what is coming next.

:35:08. > :35:11.If you don't know what is going to happen to your job, your partner's

:35:12. > :35:18.job, what you are paid, the fortunes of the firm you work for? It makes

:35:19. > :35:23.sense to delay spending. People will put off buying a home, starting a

:35:24. > :35:27.business. That together millions of individual decisions like that and

:35:28. > :35:32.there is real damage to the economy. Then there is the impact on the

:35:33. > :35:36.financial markets. We have all done and our cost during the financial

:35:37. > :35:39.crash how that can affect us all. Markets would be volatile, banks

:35:40. > :35:45.would be more the value of things like shares would likely fall. Stuck

:35:46. > :35:51.all of these things together. The fact we would be heading towards a

:35:52. > :35:55.poorer Britain, the fact we would be surrounded by uncertainty, the fact

:35:56. > :35:59.the system would be volatile, it builds up to a profound economic

:36:00. > :36:04.shock if Britain leaves the EU. -- stick all of these things. The

:36:05. > :36:10.country has asked a former leading economist to review the work we have

:36:11. > :36:15.done today. He concludes it provides a real estimate of the likely size

:36:16. > :36:19.of the short-term impact of a vote to leave on the UK economy. What are

:36:20. > :36:26.the numbers from the treasure reanalysis today? Economists looked

:36:27. > :36:32.at two scenarios. One Web Britain experiences a shock, the second way

:36:33. > :36:36.it is a severe shock. -- one where Britain. This is what happens if

:36:37. > :36:41.Britain leaves. The economy shrinks, the value of the pound falls,

:36:42. > :36:45.inflation rises, unemployment rises, real wages are hit, so our house

:36:46. > :36:50.prices, and as a result government borrowing goes up. The central

:36:51. > :36:54.conclusions of today's treasure reanalysis are clear. A vote to

:36:55. > :36:59.leave would push our economy into a recession. Within the rapper years,

:37:00. > :37:03.the size of our economy, our GDP, would be at least 3% smaller as a

:37:04. > :37:09.result of leaving the EU. -- within a few years. We have a year of

:37:10. > :37:15.negative growth. That is a recession. The pound would fall in

:37:16. > :37:18.value between 12 and 15%. It would just mean it will be more expensive

:37:19. > :37:21.when you have a holiday abroad, it means everything we import becomes

:37:22. > :37:26.more expensive which increases inflation and that hit family

:37:27. > :37:32.budgets will stop within a year of a referendum, inflation would be over

:37:33. > :37:36.2% higher. -- hit family Budget. That would hurt the low income

:37:37. > :37:40.families who spend the largest proportion of their income on things

:37:41. > :37:41.like food and energy bills. In the financial markets, tougher

:37:42. > :37:47.conditions would lead to higher mortgage costs for families. House

:37:48. > :37:54.prices would be hit by at least 10%. And as much as 18%. That is what it

:37:55. > :37:58.means to vote to leave. Incomes fall, mortgage rates go up, and the

:37:59. > :38:03.family home value falls. Behind all of this, what people can afford to

:38:04. > :38:13.buy, where they can afford to live, our people's jobs. The Treasury

:38:14. > :38:20.analysis published today finds that indirect consequence, a vote to

:38:21. > :38:24.leave the EU would -- would mean significant job losses. Half a

:38:25. > :38:28.million jobs would be lost. That is 80,000 jobs in the Midlands, over

:38:29. > :38:33.100,000 jobs across the North, over 40,000 in Scotland, over 20,000 in

:38:34. > :38:38.Wales, almost 15,000 jobs in Northern Ireland. In London, over

:38:39. > :38:44.70,000 jobs would be lost. Across the South, almost 120,000 jobs would

:38:45. > :38:50.go. That is the lower end of the estimates. Across Britain, as many

:38:51. > :38:55.as 820,000 jobs could be lost. As always, it would be young people

:38:56. > :38:58.leaving school and college, those already in insecure work, who would

:38:59. > :39:05.be hit hardest. Youth unemployment would rise by over 10%. For those

:39:06. > :39:10.who stay in work, wages will be hit as firms see their profits fall. The

:39:11. > :39:13.treasure reanalysis finds that real wages will fall by almost 3% in the

:39:14. > :39:18.first two years compared to where they would be at we remained in the

:39:19. > :39:21.EU. To put that into perspective, that is a pay cut worth almost ?800

:39:22. > :39:27.per year to somebody working full-time on the average wage. The

:39:28. > :39:30.analysis is clear, the uncertainty that would be caused by a vote to

:39:31. > :39:34.leave would put the brakes on investment. It would cost over half

:39:35. > :39:39.a million people in our country jobs. And would cut people's wages,

:39:40. > :39:42.too. All of this would have a big impact on the nation's finances. And

:39:43. > :39:48.how much we have to spend on things we value, like our NHS and our

:39:49. > :39:51.schools. If we vote to leave the evidence shows that the deficit

:39:52. > :39:55.would be higher than it would be if we remained. The borrowing bill for

:39:56. > :40:02.leaving the EU would be between ?24 billion to ?39 billion a year. Let

:40:03. > :40:06.me end by saying this... It has only been eight years since Britain

:40:07. > :40:09.entered the deepest recession our country has seen since the Second

:40:10. > :40:14.World War. Every part of our country suffered. The British people have

:40:15. > :40:19.worked so hard to get our country back on track. Do we want to throw

:40:20. > :40:24.it all away? One month to go on to the referendum. The British people

:40:25. > :40:28.must ask themselves this question, can we knowingly vote for a

:40:29. > :40:32.recession, does Britain really want this DIY recession? That is what the

:40:33. > :40:36.evidence shows we will get if we vote to leave the EU. To those

:40:37. > :40:40.fellow politicians who say we should vote to leave I say this, you might

:40:41. > :40:44.think the economic shock is a price worth paying, but it isn't your

:40:45. > :40:48.wages that will be hit, it isn't your livelihoods that will go, it

:40:49. > :40:51.isn't you who will struggle to pay the bill, it is the working people

:40:52. > :40:58.of Britain who will pay the price if we leave the EU. None of this needs

:40:59. > :40:59.to happen if we vote to leave. Yes, we've got improvements to make to

:41:00. > :41:07.the EU. INAUDIBLE

:41:08. > :41:16.If we remain, major manufacturers will go on selling to Europe. The

:41:17. > :41:22.shamus will go on selling their beef and lamb to Europe. -- if we remain,

:41:23. > :41:25.farmers will go on. People will have the confidence to do up their own

:41:26. > :41:30.homes, shop with companies like yours. If we remain, our economy

:41:31. > :41:34.will not lose half a million jobs, but instead will create over 1

:41:35. > :41:38.million jobs over the coming years. That is the brighter future on offer

:41:39. > :41:42.for our country. We have spent six years together dealing with what

:41:43. > :41:46.happens when recession hits this country. We have one month to make

:41:47. > :41:51.sure we do not do it ourselves all over again. One month to avoid a DIY

:41:52. > :41:56.recession. The treasure reanalysis shows Britain will be stronger,

:41:57. > :42:01.safer, and better off if we vote to remain in the EU on the 23rd of

:42:02. > :42:05.June. -- Treasury analysis. Thanks rematch.

:42:06. > :42:09.APPLAUSE STUDIO: The Chancellor with that

:42:10. > :42:11.Treasury analysis of what they say will be the impact of Britain

:42:12. > :42:18.leaving the EU. Half a million jobs going. A DIY

:42:19. > :42:23.recession. Vote leave say it is not an honest assessment. Let's get the

:42:24. > :42:29.views of Norman Smith, our political Guru. It was pretty bleak.

:42:30. > :42:32.No wonder they are looking down on the dumps in that B audience, they

:42:33. > :42:39.probably need a stiff drink afterwards. We knew it would be bad

:42:40. > :42:43.but not that bad. We were told that they would talk about half a million

:42:44. > :42:50.jobs being at risk, George Osborne said it could be 840,000 jobs within

:42:51. > :42:54.two years! He said 80,000 jobs could go in the North, 100,000 jobs in the

:42:55. > :43:01.Midlands, 70,000 jobs in London, 120,000 jobs in the South. Oh! And

:43:02. > :43:08.youth unemployment, he predicted it would rise by 10%. Elsewhere, he was

:43:09. > :43:12.suggesting that in terms of our pay packets, because business profits

:43:13. > :43:17.would be hit, those of us who are still in work, we would see our

:43:18. > :43:24.wages cut by around 3%. For somebody on an average wage that would mean a

:43:25. > :43:28.cut of ?800 a year. He talked about the deficit. He suggested the

:43:29. > :43:32.deficit would be something like ?40 billion higher. If you have a bigger

:43:33. > :43:36.deficit that means you have less cash for public services. Also, he

:43:37. > :43:41.talked about the value of the pound going down, which would drive up the

:43:42. > :43:46.price of imported food and clothes. And he was saying that that would

:43:47. > :43:51.hit families on low incomes. In other words, it is the poor who

:43:52. > :43:56.would be hit hardest by Brexit. David Cameron described it as the

:43:57. > :44:03.self-destruct option. Really, a pretty doom laden and analysis. As

:44:04. > :44:07.we were saying earlier, it all comes down to credibility. Either you

:44:08. > :44:10.believe what the Prime Minister and the Chancellor are saying, then you

:44:11. > :44:15.would have to be mad to vote for that sort of thing. But the question

:44:16. > :44:16.is, do you believe them? Thank you.

:44:17. > :44:19.What would you do if you were given a year to live?

:44:20. > :44:22.Well, that was the dilemma that guitar legend and former member

:44:23. > :44:24.of rock bank Dr Feelgood faced when he was diagnosed

:44:25. > :44:31.What followed was, he maintains "the best year of his life" -

:44:32. > :44:34.he completed a farewell tour, recorded one of the best selling

:44:35. > :44:36.albums of the year and learnt to appreciate his

:44:37. > :44:40.But then, a chance meeting with a cancer doctor

:44:41. > :44:47.Wilko underwent an operation that not just extended his life, but

:44:48. > :44:51.Now he's written a book about going to the precipice

:44:52. > :44:55.We'll talk to him in a moment - but Victoria first spoke to him

:44:56. > :45:09.They told me I had about ten months to live. As with chemotherapy, maybe

:45:10. > :45:15.a year. I know chemotherapy makes you very ill and I thought, well,

:45:16. > :45:18.I'm feeling fit and fine at the moment, how long will that last?

:45:19. > :45:24.They said maybe a few months of that. The decision was quite easy.

:45:25. > :45:28.Chemotherapy could do no more than extend my life by a relatively short

:45:29. > :45:36.period. I thought I would rather just enjoy the health left in me.

:45:37. > :45:43.And not have treatment. Let the disease take its course. Cancer

:45:44. > :45:48.comes. It is going to kill you. People often talk about a brave

:45:49. > :45:49.fight against cancer. That has not been my way of approaching it,

:45:50. > :45:52.really. My way has been

:45:53. > :45:54.to accept the cancer. Any fight against it really

:45:55. > :45:56.is a losing battle. Rather than have my whole conscience

:45:57. > :45:59.of this preoccupied with trying to get rid of this thing,

:46:00. > :46:01.just realising, no, you know, I accept what's going to happen,

:46:02. > :46:04.and I'm very grateful for these last I think you have used the phrase

:46:05. > :46:15.feeling euphoric, can When they gave me the diagnosis,

:46:16. > :46:24.I felt absolutely calm. It was as if he was telling me

:46:25. > :46:29.something I'd known all my life. I kind of walked out

:46:30. > :46:33.of the hospital, in a little bit of a daze, I suppose,

:46:34. > :46:35.and looked at the sky, and the trees, and just,

:46:36. > :46:42.just felt so wonderful to be alive. During this year, my whole

:46:43. > :46:44.consciousness has changed. It makes you look at everything

:46:45. > :46:49.a little bit differently, and, yeah, I think I'm a happier person,

:46:50. > :47:12.probably now, than I have been Powerful stuff. Here we are today

:47:13. > :47:17.with Wilko back in full healthment when you spoke to Victoria in 2012,

:47:18. > :47:27.you didn't think you would be here today, did you? Certainly not. It's

:47:28. > :47:31.kind of harder for me to appreciate the fact that I'm sitting here

:47:32. > :47:39.talking to you than it was two understand the fact that when the

:47:40. > :47:43.doctor told me that I only had a few months to live. I understood that

:47:44. > :47:49.right away, but coming out the other end is, well, it was a long process,

:47:50. > :47:57.a huge operation. A long time recovering and that, you know, and

:47:58. > :48:04.if I try and think that thing about how wonderful it is to be sitting

:48:05. > :48:10.here alive and conscious and cured of cancer, it is a bit too much to

:48:11. > :48:15.take in. I totally understand it. You were

:48:16. > :48:19.given a death sentence effectively and presumably over the course of

:48:20. > :48:23.the 12 months, were you kind of counting down the days and waiting

:48:24. > :48:30.in thele end and suddenly you're still standing? Not really. As I

:48:31. > :48:36.said my attitude to it was in the first place to absolutely accept,

:48:37. > :48:41.yes, I'm going to die. And I knew I had a few months, you know, they

:48:42. > :48:47.can't give you an exact time, but certainly, they were estimating less

:48:48. > :48:53.than a year. And I thought I don't want to waste that time in running

:48:54. > :48:58.after false hopes or miracle cures or anything. I'm just going to enjoy

:48:59. > :49:09.myself in this moment right now in this moment, I feel OK, you know, if

:49:10. > :49:14.death is a approaching, I'll have to face it then, you know, but most of

:49:15. > :49:22.the time I was just living in the moment and being very, very

:49:23. > :49:27.conscious of being alive and it was a marvellous feeling. So when you

:49:28. > :49:31.did get to the end of that year, what did you think? When you

:49:32. > :49:34.realised you could keep going and you had a chance encounter that led

:49:35. > :49:41.that surgery that not just gave you a bit more life, but actually, cured

:49:42. > :49:46.you? Yes. Again, there were many things during that year that were

:49:47. > :49:52.really difficult to appreciate fully. Having spent this year, or

:49:53. > :50:01.more than a year with the idea that my life was at an end and I

:50:02. > :50:07.certainly doomed to die to then encounter these people Addenbrooke's

:50:08. > :50:12.Hospital looking at me and Mr Hugo, the surgeon, the first time I

:50:13. > :50:15.consulted and I was sitting there and looking at him and thinking, "Is

:50:16. > :50:21.this man telling me I'm going to live?" Well, I mean, he is certainly

:50:22. > :50:28.a man of tremendous authority and he was saying and after a whole, all

:50:29. > :50:32.this time of being certain I was going to die. Those were just one of

:50:33. > :50:38.the many weird things that went on. Tell us how that arose? It was a

:50:39. > :50:45.chance encounter, wasn't it that led to you meeting him that led that

:50:46. > :50:52.life-saving surgery? I had done my farewell tour and I was still on my

:50:53. > :50:56.feet and the summer time was coming so I decided OK, we'll carry on and

:50:57. > :51:00.the great thing about the summer is you've got festivals where you can

:51:01. > :51:03.jump on to the bill at a moment's notice and if you actually can't

:51:04. > :51:10.make it then it is not going to stop the show, you know, it is an ideal

:51:11. > :51:19.gig for a person like me that didn't know and we played the Cornbury

:51:20. > :51:25.Festival and it was a maerve marvellous day I had that day. Van

:51:26. > :51:32.Morrison was topping the bill. And I remember sitting in the sun,

:51:33. > :51:42.watching Van and he was singing Precious Time Is Slipping Away. I

:51:43. > :51:46.was thinking, I'm feeling so good. I'm listening to this great music

:51:47. > :51:51.and yes, precious time is slipping away, but it feels good. I'm here to

:51:52. > :51:58.slip that time away, you know. Anyway, backstage I bump into this

:51:59. > :52:08.photographer called Charlie Khan. A real live wire this guy. Anyway, I

:52:09. > :52:12.was talking to him and it transpired he was a cancer surgeon. I can't

:52:13. > :52:21.remember much. That's where I met him. And then a few months later, he

:52:22. > :52:26.came to my house and said, he had been wondering about me because I

:52:27. > :52:32.wasn't dead. I should have been dead after the 10 months that doctors

:52:33. > :52:40.gave me, but by now much more than that, 13 months had gone by. He

:52:41. > :52:45.said, "If this was a straight pancreatic cancer, you should be

:52:46. > :52:49.dead now or very, very ill." Only 3% of people with pancreatic cancer

:52:50. > :53:00.survive? That's right. It is the most deadly of cancers and one that

:53:01. > :53:05.and Suggestion set up a pancreatic cancer UK to promote research to

:53:06. > :53:12.raise the survival rate to 10%, but right now, it is 3%. Anyway, Charlie

:53:13. > :53:21.Khan came to my place and he said, "There is something strange. I want

:53:22. > :53:25.you to go and consult my friend Mr Hugo at Addenbrooke's Hospital. ."

:53:26. > :53:37.Yes, I went to Addenbrooke's Hospital. I met Mr Hugo and sat

:53:38. > :53:42.there. My mind was in turmoil. He was telling me, yes, he looked at

:53:43. > :53:48.the scans and what not and he felt that this tumour which by now, was

:53:49. > :53:55.the size of a melon. It looked like I was several months pregnant. It

:53:56. > :54:02.was big this tumour. And Mr Hugo said if he and his team felt that it

:54:03. > :54:07.was in fact operable. I had been told at the beginning that it was

:54:08. > :54:19.inoperable. They determined that it was operable. And... I said yes, do

:54:20. > :54:23.it. Having not had any treatment, because as we were hearing when you

:54:24. > :54:26.talked to Victoria, you decided not to have chemotherapy to enjoy the

:54:27. > :54:30.last months of what you thought were going to be the last months of your

:54:31. > :54:44.life. You then had very invasive surgery, didn't you? Yes. What was

:54:45. > :54:48.that like? Well, it was... I went into deep anaesthetic. I can't

:54:49. > :54:58.actually even remember walking into the hospital that morning. It was

:54:59. > :55:08.early morning, but anyway, I was unconscious for sometime. I woke up

:55:09. > :55:20.later in a recovery ward. A bit disorientated, but just lying there

:55:21. > :55:29.thinking, "I'm alive." When I was initially given the diagnosis and

:55:30. > :55:34.told I was going to die, I grasped that idea straightaway, but that's

:55:35. > :55:39.you just sit and talking to someone, but recovering from an operation

:55:40. > :55:47.like this, you are very, very ill. I was wasted. Very weak. Very, very

:55:48. > :55:58.ill. There is a huge Mercedes sign emblazoned across my stomach. A big

:55:59. > :56:02.lump they had to get out. It is better than a tattoo. It has got an

:56:03. > :56:06.incredible story because it was the moment that everything changed. Yes,

:56:07. > :56:12.but then, of course, I was very, very weak and lying in hospital for

:56:13. > :56:19.a long, long time, you know, recovering and then when I got out

:56:20. > :56:26.of the hospital at home, I was very, very weak indeed. Having to walk

:56:27. > :56:32.round the block once a day to try and exercise. Why do you think it

:56:33. > :56:36.was harder for you almost to come to terms with embracing, you had

:56:37. > :56:41.embraced life that year, but embraced life feeling that it was

:56:42. > :56:44.finite. Why was it hard tore then get to grips with the fact that

:56:45. > :56:50.actually you had life again and there was no deadline on it anymore?

:56:51. > :56:55.Well, because I mean for one thing, when you're anticipating death, I

:56:56. > :56:59.mean, that's that. When you have escaped from it, you are actually

:57:00. > :57:07.still, you're not dead. You're actually still there to try and

:57:08. > :57:13.puzzle this thing out. To this day, I can't really apply my mind. If I

:57:14. > :57:21.try to understand the enormity of the fact that I'm alive, after all

:57:22. > :57:29.those months believing that my life was over, it just gets difficult to

:57:30. > :57:33.take in. So I'm, I think, I'm slowly coming back down-to-earth. When you

:57:34. > :57:36.go to bed at night, what's the last thing you think of at the end of

:57:37. > :57:45.another day that you thought you wouldn't see? I think of all sorts

:57:46. > :57:54.of things! Don't you? We all do. But we haven't all obviously faced our

:57:55. > :58:05.mortality like you have. No. And I have to say that year was one of

:58:06. > :58:10.those marvellous years of my life. When you believe that your life is

:58:11. > :58:16.over, it gives you a different way of looking at things and I mean,

:58:17. > :58:19.doing things like going to places or seeing people and realising this

:58:20. > :58:24.could be the very last time, you know. This could be the very last

:58:25. > :58:31.time I speak to this friend or place that I see. Thank you. Thank you for

:58:32. > :58:32.talking to us. Thank you for your company. See you tomorrow. Bye-bye.