01/06/2016

:00:00. > :00:14.Our top story, in the next hour a coroner will announce

:00:15. > :00:16.whether inquests will be resumed into the Birmingham pub

:00:17. > :00:27.Families believe it could be their last chance to hear evidence

:00:28. > :00:30.in public that wasn't available in 1974 and find out from the police

:00:31. > :00:32.and security services what really happened.

:00:33. > :00:38.It's alleged the authorities didn't do enough to evacuate the two pubs.

:00:39. > :00:41.NEWSREEL: Two explosions have gone off within seconds of each other.

:00:42. > :00:43.In such confined surroundings packed with youngsters the blasting

:00:44. > :00:44.explosive inflicted hideous injuries.

:00:45. > :00:50.21 including Jane Davis and her friends died.

:00:51. > :00:53.Also on the programme, "It controls my life.

:00:54. > :00:55.I've been suicidal, bankrupt and ?1 million in debt."

:00:56. > :00:58.Snooker legend Willie Thorne tells us about his daily fight to beat

:00:59. > :01:05.We'll talk to him in the next few minutes.

:01:06. > :01:08.And the family of a mentally ill father who killed himself in prison

:01:09. > :01:10.tells this programme his treatment there was "despicable".

:01:11. > :01:27.Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am.

:01:28. > :01:31.Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:01:32. > :01:40.and developing stories and, as always, really keen

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:01:48. > :01:49.Our top story today, a coroner will announce

:01:50. > :01:51.today whether an inquest into the Birmingham

:01:52. > :01:53.pub bombings in 1974, in which 21 people died,

:01:54. > :01:56.The original inquest was adjourned days after the attack

:01:57. > :01:58.and because of the criminal investigation, which later resulted

:01:59. > :02:01.in the conviction of six men, it was never resumed.

:02:02. > :02:03.The so-called Birmingham Six were convicted in 1975

:02:04. > :02:10.It's widely believed the IRA was behind the attack,

:02:11. > :02:13.though there's never been an admission of responsibility.

:02:14. > :02:19.The coroner reviewing the case has spoken

:02:20. > :02:24.The bombs ripped through the two Birmingham pubs

:02:25. > :02:31.21 people were killed and 181 were injured.

:02:32. > :02:35.An inquest was opened, but adjourned in 1975

:02:36. > :02:38.when six men were tried and convicted of the bombings.

:02:39. > :02:42.But they were cleared by the Appeal Court in 1991.

:02:43. > :02:45.Twice since then, the police have reviewed the evidence and been

:02:46. > :02:51.The coroner says she has received a significant new piece of evidence

:02:52. > :02:57.that's never been heard before about the attacks all those years

:02:58. > :02:59.ago here at the Tavern in the town and along

:03:00. > :03:03.What the families are hoping is there will be an inquest

:03:04. > :03:07.because it could be the last chance they get in their lifetimes to hear

:03:08. > :03:09.some of the evidence about what went on that night.

:03:10. > :03:12.Several of the men responsible are believed to still be alive,

:03:13. > :03:15.but in an exclusive interview with the BBC, a senior IRA figure

:03:16. > :03:17.at the time says it is unlikely they'll ever face trial.

:03:18. > :03:22.The only way there could be convictions would be if the man

:03:23. > :03:24.walked into police stations in the UK and confessed

:03:25. > :03:27.to their parts in the bombing and that ain't going to happen.

:03:28. > :03:29.Which means everything rests on today's ruling.

:03:30. > :03:31.Campaigners have described the possibility that the inquest

:03:32. > :03:45.Well, let's talk to Phil who is in Solihull outside the Coroners'

:03:46. > :03:48.Court. Phil, what sort of things will the coroner be considering

:03:49. > :03:54.before reaching the decision? Well, we have had submissions over the

:03:55. > :03:54.last couple of months. There have been three days of submissions from

:03:55. > :03:56.president various interested parties. Lawyers for the families

:03:57. > :04:00.and the survivors have argued that there is a lot that's never been

:04:01. > :04:03.heard in public. The families and survivors deserve the chance to hear

:04:04. > :04:08.some of that evidence in public for the first time. In fact, at the last

:04:09. > :04:13.hearing two weeks ago, Louise Hunt said she had been given some

:04:14. > :04:16.significant new evidence which has never been heard before and never

:04:17. > :04:22.been written about in many of the books about the Birmingham pub

:04:23. > :04:26.bombings in 1974. West Midlands Police lawyers argue for a coroner

:04:27. > :04:30.to hold an inquest they need to determine who died, how they died,

:04:31. > :04:36.where and when they died and all of those facts are pretty well-known,

:04:37. > :04:45.November 2 #1s, 1974, the bombs went off in the pubs in the Tavern and

:04:46. > :04:48.the Mulberry Bush. She is in there preparing her final ruling and we

:04:49. > :04:53.expect to hear that beginning at 10am. It may take sometime to go

:04:54. > :04:56.through the law and to go through her reasoning, but at some point the

:04:57. > :05:00.families and the survivors will be told either yes, there will be a

:05:01. > :05:05.resumption of the inquest or no, there won't. It is a case of joy or

:05:06. > :05:09.despair depending on the two rulings. Phil Mackie in Solihull

:05:10. > :05:10.outside the Coroners' Court. Phil will be back with us when there is a

:05:11. > :05:13.decision, of course. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

:05:14. > :05:15.Newsroom with a summary The Vote Leave campaign is calling

:05:16. > :05:23.for big changes to the immigration system if Britain votes

:05:24. > :05:25.to leave the EU. It wants to scrap the automatic

:05:26. > :05:28.right of EU citizens to work in the UK and replace it

:05:29. > :05:30.with a points based system, The Remain Campaign says the

:05:31. > :05:40.proposals would wreck the economy. If you've got any questions

:05:41. > :05:43.on the EU Referendum, let us know. The Ukip MP and supporter

:05:44. > :05:46.of Vote Leave Douglas Carswell will be answering your questions

:05:47. > :05:48.at 11.30am tomorrow morning You can get in touch via Twitter

:05:49. > :05:53.using the hashtag BBC Ask This Nearly 8,000 people have been

:05:54. > :06:00.arrested in England and Wales for driving under the influence

:06:01. > :06:03.of drugs since April last year, when it became a specific

:06:04. > :06:06.offence for the first time. The figures come from

:06:07. > :06:09.a BBC Radio Five Live freedom of information request,

:06:10. > :06:12.which gives the first insight The Metropolitan Police carried out

:06:13. > :06:16.the most arrests followed A plan to build a lorry park

:06:17. > :06:26.near the M20 in Kent to deal with congestion

:06:27. > :06:27.when cross-Channel services are disrupted has been

:06:28. > :06:29.criticised by MPs. The Transport Select Committee said

:06:30. > :06:31.the decision to proceed with the park, which will cost

:06:32. > :06:34.?250 million, was taken It comes after part of the M20

:06:35. > :06:41.was used 32 times last summer by queuing lorries, a process

:06:42. > :06:46.known as Operation Stack. New evidence has emerged of lengthy

:06:47. > :06:50.delays in diagnosing and treating A survey of people in England,

:06:51. > :06:55.Wales and Northern Ireland who have the illness,

:06:56. > :06:57.found a fifth had to wait more than a year to see a specialist

:06:58. > :07:03.after going to their GP. Here's our health

:07:04. > :07:06.correspondent, Adam Brimelow. Nearly 12 months on from being

:07:07. > :07:09.diagnosed with motor neurone disease, Bob Keats can still enjoy

:07:10. > :07:12.walks with his family Two years ago he started developing

:07:13. > :07:17.slurred speech, and then he had trouble breathing,

:07:18. > :07:21.but it took repeated visits to his GP, and referrals

:07:22. > :07:23.to a range of specialists, From the first onset of symptoms,

:07:24. > :07:29.to getting face-to-face And that was only after

:07:30. > :07:38.the neurologist had been suggested More than half of people with motor

:07:39. > :07:45.neurone disease die within two There is no cure, but treatment can

:07:46. > :07:51.ease the symptoms and slow progression so it's

:07:52. > :07:54.important to avoid delays. More than 900 people with MND,

:07:55. > :07:57.28% of those contacted, Of these, one in five had to wait

:07:58. > :08:04.at least a year to see a neurologist Two in five went to their GP

:08:05. > :08:09.at least three times before MND symptoms are similar to other

:08:10. > :08:12.conditions, so it's But the survey suggests a scheme

:08:13. > :08:17.to help them spot signs earlier The Royal College of GPs,

:08:18. > :08:23.with the Motor Neurone Disease Association have

:08:24. > :08:26.developed this very clear, simple list of symptoms,

:08:27. > :08:27.which might indicate Bob Keats is making the most

:08:28. > :08:32.of his remaining precious The family of a man who killed

:08:33. > :08:51.himself at Chelmsford prison says lessons are not being learned on how

:08:52. > :08:54.to treat inmates with mental health Across England and Wales 89

:08:55. > :08:58.prisoners took their own lives last year, with this number likely to get

:08:59. > :09:00.higher as investigations In 2014 the then Chief Inspector

:09:01. > :09:04.of Prisons, Nick Hardwick, said prison overcrowding

:09:05. > :09:06.was contributing to suicide. Japanese soldiers have joined

:09:07. > :09:09.the search for a seven-year-old boy who has been missing

:09:10. > :09:11.in mountains since Saturday. His parents had abandoned

:09:12. > :09:13.him as a punishment. The couple have told police

:09:14. > :09:16.they left the boy for only a few minutes, but he was gone

:09:17. > :09:18.when they returned. The mountains, on the island

:09:19. > :09:20.of Hokkaido, are known The world's longest, and deepest,

:09:21. > :09:27.rail tunnel will be officially opened in Switzerland today,

:09:28. > :09:29.after almost two decades The Gotthard tunnel is 35 miles long

:09:30. > :09:34.and will provide a high-speed rail Carla Lane, one of Britain's most

:09:35. > :09:46.successful television writers, She rose to fame after creating

:09:47. > :09:51.several popular BBC series, including The Liver Birds,

:09:52. > :09:55.Butterflies, and Bread. She was also a keen

:09:56. > :10:02.animal rights activist. That's a summary of

:10:03. > :10:17.the latest BBC News. We will talk to Willie Thorne about

:10:18. > :10:20.his gambling addition. At the height of his habit he was spending tens of

:10:21. > :10:23.thousands of pounds a week. He will talk about how he tried to manage

:10:24. > :10:27.that addiction. We will talk to his wife as well and the impact it had

:10:28. > :10:30.on her. Do get in touch with us

:10:31. > :10:32.throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:10:33. > :10:42.and If you text, you will be charged England supporters debating Roy

:10:43. > :10:44.Hodgson's squad. Good morning.

:10:45. > :10:47.England manager Roy Hodgson has selected their youngest squad

:10:48. > :10:50.for a major tournament with an average age of 26.

:10:51. > :10:53.The headline of course was the inclusion of Manchester United

:10:54. > :10:55.striker Marcus Rashford, who will be the youngest player

:10:56. > :11:01.at Euro 2016 when the tournament begins next week.

:11:02. > :11:07.If you can play for Manchester United, still one of the biggest

:11:08. > :11:10.clubs in the world, no matter what their form, playing in front of

:11:11. > :11:13.75,000 people with the pressure that comes at playing at Manchester

:11:14. > :11:16.United, he can handle international football no problem. He has done

:11:17. > :11:20.incredibly well. He is young. He's fresh. He offers something a little

:11:21. > :11:21.bit different. He is in very, very good form. Why wouldn't you take

:11:22. > :11:24.him? Wales midfielder Joe Ledley

:11:25. > :11:27.is in their squad less than month Gareth Bale will join up

:11:28. > :11:31.with the squad today after winning his second

:11:32. > :11:33.Champions League title Manager Chris Coleman has urged

:11:34. > :11:45.the rest of his squad to follow You've got a great player which we

:11:46. > :11:49.have and one of the best players in the world. Then you are talking

:11:50. > :11:54.about levels that are extremely high. So we need to all try to be

:11:55. > :12:01.realistic in where we can get to, but we need to be as best as we can.

:12:02. > :12:06.To utilise what we've got and players like himself and we have got

:12:07. > :12:09.top players, Ashley Williams and Joe Allen, but to back them up, we've

:12:10. > :12:12.got good players also. Everybody wants to talk about certain players,

:12:13. > :12:14.but we've got good players in this group.

:12:15. > :12:16.Weather permitting, Andy Murray will play his French Open

:12:17. > :12:22.He faces the home favourite Richard Gasquet after their match

:12:23. > :12:31.The world number one Novak Djokovic was 4-1 up in the third set

:12:32. > :12:33.of his last-16 tie, when the rain intervened.

:12:34. > :12:35.He shared the first two sets with Spain's Roberto Bautista Agut.

:12:36. > :12:38.Imagine being told continuing your sport could put your life at risk.

:12:39. > :12:41.Well, that's what happened to England cricketer

:12:42. > :12:43.James Taylor six weeks ago when he was diagnosed with

:12:44. > :12:51.For a Special Radio 5 Live programme tonight Taylor has

:12:52. > :12:53.met Fabrice Muamba, the retired footballer nearly

:12:54. > :12:55.lost his life four years ago after suffering a cardiac problem

:12:56. > :13:08.Enjoy every single moment you have with your friends, family, fiancee

:13:09. > :13:15.and just embrace whatever life has to offer for you. For us to be alive

:13:16. > :13:19.it is a huge bonus. There is people who weren't fortunate enough, you

:13:20. > :13:23.know, to be alive because they found themselves in a similar situation to

:13:24. > :13:26.us, but they won't be able to survive, but we have come to the

:13:27. > :13:32.other side of it and be strong. We are still here so we have to enjoy

:13:33. > :13:37.every day and enjoy our family. As soon as this happened you were my

:13:38. > :13:41.inspiration and now it is funny sat here talking to you. Just appreciate

:13:42. > :13:50.life and every second and life is a real gift that we've got.

:13:51. > :13:57.That is on Radio 5 Live at 9pm tonight.

:13:58. > :14:01.You can see more of the interview tomorrow on Derbyshire.

:14:02. > :14:04.The family of a man who killed himself at Chelmsford prison says

:14:05. > :14:06.lessons are not being learned on how to treat inmates with

:14:07. > :14:10.Across England and Wales 89 prisoners took their own lives last

:14:11. > :14:12.year, with this number likely to get higher as investigations

:14:13. > :14:17.In 2014 the then Chief Inspector of Prisons, Nick Hardwick,

:14:18. > :14:20.said prison overcrowding was contributing to suicide.

:14:21. > :14:23.When there's a suicide in a jail, an investigation is carried out.

:14:24. > :14:30.There've been 12 suicides at Chelmsford since 2011 and so far

:14:31. > :14:32.nine reports have been carried out by the Prison

:14:33. > :14:36.The prison's been criticised over six of those deaths.

:14:37. > :14:45.Matt Precey from BBC Look East can tell us more.

:14:46. > :14:53.First of all, Chelmsford Prison itself, what's it like? Chelmsford

:14:54. > :14:56.ford is a category B prison and a Young Offenders Institution. It is a

:14:57. > :14:59.local prison and this means a significant proportion of its

:15:00. > :15:03.inmates are there on remand. They are there temporarily. There has

:15:04. > :15:08.been a prison at that site since 1819 and it has an operational

:15:09. > :15:10.capacity of 745. What have you found out then about the cases of suicide

:15:11. > :15:19.at the jail? We have been through the nine most

:15:20. > :15:27.recent ombudsman reports, of which six have had a serious criticisms.

:15:28. > :15:33.These reports, some of them, echoed the concerns of the family you're

:15:34. > :15:36.about to talk to. There are repeated references to suicide risk

:15:37. > :15:41.information not being sheared -- shared. There was the case of Tony

:15:42. > :15:45.Lake, found hanging in March last year. Staff were not alerted to a

:15:46. > :15:49.report about the high risk of suicide. The same thing happened in

:15:50. > :15:57.the previous incident at Chelmsford, which happened the same month. Simon

:15:58. > :16:01.King, took his life in 2011, was placed on hourly monitoring, which

:16:02. > :16:05.the PPO describes as poor practice. The findings of these reports are

:16:06. > :16:09.not enforceable, so there is no obligation on the prison to

:16:10. > :16:14.implement the recommendations. That chimes with the findings into last

:16:15. > :16:18.year's review into prison suicide, which found mistakes are being

:16:19. > :16:25.repeated across the prison system. What do Chelmsford prison say? The

:16:26. > :16:31.prison officers Association point to a 25% reduction in staffing. They

:16:32. > :16:35.told us not enough is being done to divert mentally ill people away from

:16:36. > :16:43.custody. They quote figures shown that in 2010... By the end of last

:16:44. > :16:47.year there were 686 incidents. They say there is an explicit connection

:16:48. > :16:51.between the increase in suicide and self harming across the prison

:16:52. > :16:52.estate, and budget cuts and reduction in staffing levels. Thank

:16:53. > :17:07.you. Dean Saunders was taken to

:17:08. > :17:12.Chelmsford jail and took his own life in January. His father, Mark

:17:13. > :17:20.Saunders, is here. How are you? Yes, mixed emotions. It only happened in

:17:21. > :17:30.January. It is still fresh. Annoyed. And angry. Like Matt said, I have

:17:31. > :17:35.worked with Matt looking at previous investigations from the PPO, like

:17:36. > :17:43.anyone else, had no dealings with prison until something like this

:17:44. > :17:51.happened. I was shocked. I went back ten years of suicides at Chelmsford,

:17:52. > :17:56.18 deaths in ten years, which is averaging nearly two a year. And

:17:57. > :18:05.like Matt said, there is a kind of practice that the PPO -- PPO going

:18:06. > :18:10.to investigate these deaths, they report their failings, they put in

:18:11. > :18:13.recommendations, these recommendations are not enforceable.

:18:14. > :18:21.There are no penalties, finds, nothing if they do not conform. And

:18:22. > :18:25.when you look over the previous investigations, there are definitely

:18:26. > :18:30.patterns. Lack of communication within the prison, lack of gathering

:18:31. > :18:35.information, lack of listening, lack of training, lack of staff. Over and

:18:36. > :18:45.over again. And it seems the same kind of thing in other prisons. They

:18:46. > :18:52.pay for the funeral. They put their hands up and say, yes, we will learn

:18:53. > :18:56.our lessons. The PPO openly investigations to put the

:18:57. > :19:01.recommendations in, and then the state pay the family and everybody

:19:02. > :19:05.moves on. And the same thing happens again and again. I think it is

:19:06. > :19:10.worth, if you don't mind, telling your audience -- our audience a

:19:11. > :19:16.little of how your son ended up in jail? We're running two

:19:17. > :19:23.investigations, one with the prison and one with local mental health

:19:24. > :19:27.partnerships. Our concerns are that Dean should never have gone to

:19:28. > :19:34.prison. He was suffering some sort of mental illness which was totally

:19:35. > :19:40.out of character. He should have been assessed Wylie was in custody

:19:41. > :19:49.in the police station. And admitted to a secure hospital. You wanted him

:19:50. > :19:54.to be sectioned for his protection and everybody else's protection. The

:19:55. > :19:59.night before he had had a paranoid episode and he had attacked EU and

:20:00. > :20:04.his brother and himself. That is how I got my injuries. He turned a knife

:20:05. > :20:10.onto himself and looked me in the eyes and said, I've got to do this.

:20:11. > :20:15.He was so paranoid, he thought there was a third party who was going to

:20:16. > :20:21.give him a slow, tortuous death. And the only way he could escape that

:20:22. > :20:28.was to take his own life. Like any other father, I couldn't stand by. I

:20:29. > :20:32.wrestled him and I got injured. Because of the extent of the

:20:33. > :20:36.injuries and the attack on his brother... He attacked his brother

:20:37. > :20:41.because five and is before they were laughing together. He came back with

:20:42. > :20:48.a knife from the kitchen and said, he has changed. He has physically

:20:49. > :20:53.changed, dad. That is what I got when I took Dean to the ground. He

:20:54. > :20:57.ended up being charged with attempted murder? He was not

:20:58. > :21:05.charged. He was arrested in connection with attempted murder.

:21:06. > :21:07.Yes. The police thought the mental health team would assess him and he

:21:08. > :21:12.would be transferred. They interviewed him in the cell and they

:21:13. > :21:16.came out, phoned me up and said they found it inconclusive because Dean

:21:17. > :21:24.would not comply. Yet he was in a paranoid state. He had been in that

:21:25. > :21:29.environment for nearly... Mental health staff visited him. Obviously

:21:30. > :21:34.he was not going to comply. He feared the staff. He thought they

:21:35. > :21:40.were the ones who were going to do this act. When he was in Chelmsford

:21:41. > :21:49.jail, he was monitored regularly. 30 minute intervals, is that correct?

:21:50. > :21:52.Initially, from the custody, he went to the magistrates court and he was

:21:53. > :21:58.sent to Chelmsford for remand. The plan was he would get properly

:21:59. > :22:02.assessed. And then we could percent everything. He was taken to

:22:03. > :22:08.Chelmsford prison hospital. He went straight into the hospital.

:22:09. > :22:14.Information came from the custody suite that he had tried to take his

:22:15. > :22:18.own life and he had admitted to the police that he would take his own

:22:19. > :22:27.life when he had the chance. Chelmsford prison put him on

:22:28. > :22:35.constant suicide watch. On Monday morning, it seems like a handover

:22:36. > :22:40.time, he was taken off. Their normal protocol would be to go from

:22:41. > :22:44.constant to five minutes, ten minutes, 15 minutes. But the

:22:45. > :22:50.decision was to go straight from constant to every Havenaar. These

:22:51. > :23:00.half in our checks are not even monitored, they are not documented.

:23:01. > :23:08.You do not even know how long. It could be longer. The investigation

:23:09. > :23:12.has turned up that they are are definitely failings. I also took it

:23:13. > :23:17.upon myself to learn the ins and outs of the prison. I know who

:23:18. > :23:20.should be doing what. I even know what colour forms you have to fill

:23:21. > :23:32.out and what colour trays you have to put them into. I am highlighting

:23:33. > :23:35.some failings. The fact that went from constant supervision to every

:23:36. > :23:39.30 minutes, when he had already expressed a desire to take his own

:23:40. > :23:43.life, but before that he should never have been on remand in

:23:44. > :23:46.Chelmsford jail because if the team had assessed incorrectly he would

:23:47. > :23:52.have been taken to a secure hospital. He was an ill man. He was

:23:53. > :23:55.ill. He has never been in trouble with the police. Totally out of

:23:56. > :24:00.character. The police could see there was something wrong. The on

:24:01. > :24:06.staff medic at the custody suite who asked for the assessment obviously

:24:07. > :24:10.knew there was something wrong. More annoying that one of the doctors who

:24:11. > :24:27.assessed him at Basildon police station, they actually sat on the

:24:28. > :24:31.assessment. He was known to them. I found out that he would have needed

:24:32. > :24:39.to be moved to what they call an intensive ward, which is a secure

:24:40. > :24:47.hospital. What is it that you want now? There are so many different

:24:48. > :24:52.things that have gone wrong. Like I said, I have not looked at prison

:24:53. > :24:56.until something like this happened. I find a lot of people in prison who

:24:57. > :25:02.should not be there in the first place. They say about the

:25:03. > :25:06.overcrowding, but if they put the support structure outside of prison,

:25:07. > :25:10.that. A lot of people going in there. So many in their have mental

:25:11. > :25:15.health issues, learning El difficulties. -- learning health

:25:16. > :25:26.difficulties. They do not get the support on the outside. There are

:25:27. > :25:29.exposed to all sorts of issues, bullying, sexual abuse etc. When

:25:30. > :25:33.they shared back they find themselves on the wrong side of the

:25:34. > :25:37.law and they cannot cope with prison life. They self-harm and take their

:25:38. > :25:44.lives. More should be done on the outside. But in terms of the gaol

:25:45. > :25:51.stem cells... In terms of the jails themselves, it seems that what goes

:25:52. > :25:57.on behind closed doors, stays behind closed doors. It does not seem like

:25:58. > :26:02.anybody really bothered what was going on, who was doing what. The

:26:03. > :26:07.ombudsman was bothered and is try to find out. As you said earlier, what

:26:08. > :26:11.recommendations the prison ombudsman put forward do not have to be

:26:12. > :26:17.implemented and that would seem to be a big flaw in the system to Yes,

:26:18. > :26:20.and also if they are putting the same recommendations in time and

:26:21. > :26:28.time again, surely they should be doing something? I asked them on our

:26:29. > :26:32.investigation if they could say not only if they are failings, but they

:26:33. > :26:36.failed to act on previous recommendations. They said they

:26:37. > :26:40.could not do that, they could only make recommendations. They are not

:26:41. > :26:47.enforceable. They should be enforceable. Like I said, the state

:26:48. > :26:52.pay-out, they move on. Nobody is held responsible. Someone should

:26:53. > :26:59.take the blame, someone should stand up and say, it was my fault. I did

:27:00. > :27:04.not do my job properly. I am a bus driver. If I kill someone, I am held

:27:05. > :27:09.responsible. Someone should be held responsible and maybe things might

:27:10. > :27:13.change if they know that people are going to be held responsible for

:27:14. > :27:19.their actions. Thank you so much for talking to us. We asked the Ministry

:27:20. > :27:23.of Justice for an interview. We wanted them to come on the

:27:24. > :27:29.programme. They turned down our request. They said the welfare and

:27:30. > :27:35.well-being of those in their custody was a top priority. They said they

:27:36. > :27:40.were training staff to respond to suicide, self-harm issues.

:27:41. > :27:45.Coming up, snooker legend Willie Thorne tells us about his fight to

:27:46. > :27:51.beat an addiction to gambling. We will talk to him in the next few

:27:52. > :27:56.minutes. And abandoned as a punishment and now missing. Japanese

:27:57. > :27:57.soldiers joined the search for a seven-year-old boy in remote

:27:58. > :28:02.mountainous woods. Here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom

:28:03. > :28:08.with a summary of today's main news. A coroner will announce later

:28:09. > :28:12.today whether an inquest into the Birmingham pub bombings

:28:13. > :28:15.in 1974, in which 21 people The original inquest was adjourned

:28:16. > :28:20.a year after the attacks when six men were convicted

:28:21. > :28:22.although they were later It's widely believed

:28:23. > :28:28.the IRA was responsible. The coroner, who has been reviewing

:28:29. > :28:42.the case, says she's received some The Vote Leave campaign is calling

:28:43. > :28:46.for big changes to the immigration system if Britain votes to leave the

:28:47. > :28:51.EU. It wants to scrap the automatic right of EU citizens to work in the

:28:52. > :28:55.UK and replace it with a points -based system, similar to that used

:28:56. > :28:58.in Australia. Remain can save the proposals would wreck the economy.

:28:59. > :29:01.If you've got any questions on the EU Referendum, let us know.

:29:02. > :29:04.The Ukip MP and supporter of Vote Leave Douglas Carswell

:29:05. > :29:06.will be answering your questions at 11.30am tomorrow morning

:29:07. > :29:11.You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This

:29:12. > :29:19.Nearly 8,000 people have been arrested in England and Wales

:29:20. > :29:22.for driving under the influence of drugs since April last year,

:29:23. > :29:26.when it became a specific offence for the first time.

:29:27. > :29:28.The figures come from a BBC Radio Five Live freedom

:29:29. > :29:31.of information request, which gives the first insight

:29:32. > :29:36.The Metropolitan Police carried out the most arrests followed

:29:37. > :29:41.A plan to build a lorry park near the M20 in Kent to deal

:29:42. > :29:45.with congestion when cross-Channel services are disrupted has

:29:46. > :29:50.The Transport Select Committee said the decision to proceed

:29:51. > :29:54.with the park, which will cost ?250 million pounds,

:29:55. > :29:56.was taken "hastily" by the government.

:29:57. > :29:59.It comes after part of the M20 was used 32 times last summer

:30:00. > :30:04.by queuing lorries, a process known as Operation Stack.

:30:05. > :30:07.The family of a man who killed himself at Chelmsford prison says

:30:08. > :30:09.lessons are not being learned on how to treat inmates with

:30:10. > :30:15.Across England and Wales 89 prisoners took their own lives last

:30:16. > :30:18.year, with this number likely to get higher as investigations

:30:19. > :30:23.In 2014 the then Chief Inspector of Prisons, Nick Hardwick,

:30:24. > :30:35.said prison overcrowding was contributing to suicide.

:30:36. > :30:42.The world's longest and deepest rail tunnel will be opened in Switzerland

:30:43. > :30:49.today. The tunnel is 35 miles long and will provide a high-speed rail

:30:50. > :31:04.link for freight. The project cost ?8.5 billion. Now back to Victoria.

:31:05. > :31:09.Thank you for your comments about Mark Saunders who took his own life

:31:10. > :31:12.in January this year. Jane on e-mail says, "Sadly I'm living through my

:31:13. > :31:16.first and only Prison Service experience. Finding my partner in

:31:17. > :31:20.jail. Everything said about Chelmsford is by no means isolated

:31:21. > :31:26.to that jail. It is widespread across the service. I'm surprised

:31:27. > :31:29.there are not many more suicides. In trying to help loved ones through

:31:30. > :31:32.and do anything about the awful system, it is difficult for get us

:31:33. > :31:36.to get through the system bureaucracy. I'm not optimistic that

:31:37. > :31:41.the Government's proposed changes to the Criminal Justice System will

:31:42. > :31:45.result in much improvement." Paul e-mails to say, "I was a prison

:31:46. > :31:51.officer for 25 years. The main problem is a lack of staff. There

:31:52. > :31:55.are thousands of prisoners that should be in mental health

:31:56. > :32:00.institutions, but the lack of places results in people being placed in

:32:01. > :32:05.jails and this will keep happening." Kelly tweets this, "People do care

:32:06. > :32:13.on the inside. I mean staff, says Kelly, but there just aren't enough

:32:14. > :32:16.of us." News from the Organisation for

:32:17. > :32:20.Economic Co-operation and Development. It is one of the

:32:21. > :32:25.biggest global think-tanks. It says leaving the European Union would

:32:26. > :32:30.have a substantial impact on the UK and global economy. While also

:32:31. > :32:38.sparring turmoil in world stock markets. So the OECD has just said

:32:39. > :32:43.in the last minute or so that Britain leaving the European Union

:32:44. > :32:48.would have a substantial impact on the UK and the global economy whilst

:32:49. > :32:53.also sparking turmoil until world stock markets. More reaction to that

:32:54. > :32:55.throughout the programme. It is time for the sports headlines.

:32:56. > :32:57.Good morning. Varying opinions on the England

:32:58. > :33:00.squad in today's newspapers. Are they too inexperienced

:33:01. > :33:06.or will youthful exuberance prevail? We'll hear from Roy Hodgson today

:33:07. > :33:08.after he included the 18-year-old Manchester United striker

:33:09. > :33:10.Marcus Rashford in his squad. As could Chris Coleman's

:33:11. > :33:13.selection of Joe Ledley. He's in the Wales squad less

:33:14. > :33:16.than a month after suffering After winning the Champions League

:33:17. > :33:28.with Real Madrid last weekend, Gareth Bale will join up

:33:29. > :33:30.with the squad today. Steve Evans has become the sixth

:33:31. > :33:32.Leeds United manager The Scot parted company

:33:33. > :33:45.with the club last night after just and if the rain ever relents

:33:46. > :33:50.in Paris, Andy Murray will play Richard Gasquet today for a place

:33:51. > :33:55.in the French Open semi-finals. This morning, former snooker

:33:56. > :33:56.champion Willie Thorne, who's been addicted to gambling

:33:57. > :33:59.for much of his adult life, tells this programme of his daily

:34:00. > :34:02.fight to resist gambling again. Willie Thorne, who's now bankrupt

:34:03. > :34:05.after racking up debts of ?1 million, says his

:34:06. > :34:07.gambling became so bad At the height of his addiction

:34:08. > :34:11.he was spending tens He now says he's spent 18 months

:34:12. > :34:15.trying to avoid it, The 62-year-old, who has appeared

:34:16. > :34:19.on Strictly Come Dancing and is a BBC commentator,

:34:20. > :34:21.says more needs to be done and is a BBC commentator,

:34:22. > :34:32.shops and online bookies. Hello. Tell our audience Willie how

:34:33. > :34:40.much gambling controlled you? Well, it got to a state when I was a

:34:41. > :34:43.professional snooker player, I got to a state where I was thinking I

:34:44. > :34:48.have got to get to the quarterfinal of a tournament to pay off the debt.

:34:49. > :34:53.The last time was three years ago when through the company I was

:34:54. > :34:57.involved with that lied to me about my 30% interest in the company and

:34:58. > :35:01.that just suddenly spiralled out of control then and there is something

:35:02. > :35:05.that triggers you doing it genl. I have been virtually in control of it

:35:06. > :35:11.for the last two or three years, but three years ago was the moment when

:35:12. > :35:15.I went out of debt. There were pictures in a newspaper this year of

:35:16. > :35:20.you sitting at a fixed odds betting terminal. Do you count that as a

:35:21. > :35:26.relapse or not? Not at all. This was taken out of all contest. John Virgo

:35:27. > :35:30.and Ken Doherty were doing a world exhibition and we went in to watch

:35:31. > :35:37.the exhibition and have something to eat. I put ?20 in a machine and

:35:38. > :35:42.suddenly somebody took a picture of me. Is it not like alcoholism, if

:35:43. > :35:45.you are an alcoholic, if you have one drink that opens the door to

:35:46. > :35:50.further drinking in is it not the same? Yeah, I think so. You're

:35:51. > :35:55.always tempted. But I'm not earning the amount of money I used to earn

:35:56. > :35:59.now. With splitting from my management company I'm finding it a

:36:00. > :36:03.struggle. When you have been lied to for a long time, it is hard to kind

:36:04. > :36:09.of, you know, get yourself going again. What impact has it had on

:36:10. > :36:13.you, Jill? Well, obviously I didn't realise the depths of the gambling

:36:14. > :36:17.and it was a shock to be honest because I knew he was gambling but

:36:18. > :36:22.it was under control as far as I knew. It was fun? It is not a crime,

:36:23. > :36:26.is it? If you keep it with responsible, you know, it is the

:36:27. > :36:30.same as anything, eating, drinking, smoking, but the shock was when

:36:31. > :36:33.people were knocking on the door for debts to be paid which I didn't know

:36:34. > :36:37.about at the time and that was a great shock. And then also, you

:36:38. > :36:41.know, it is the stress that comes with it. I'm glad I was with him

:36:42. > :36:45.when we were in Sheffield and we went into that casino as guests, we

:36:46. > :36:49.were invited to go in because he was with me and he wasn't doing anything

:36:50. > :36:53.out of order, just like everybody else, he put ?20 is not ?20,000, you

:36:54. > :36:59.know. Did you think that was all right then? Yes. Yeah, you set your

:37:00. > :37:03.limits don't you? If you read the leaflets for the gambling aware you

:37:04. > :37:06.set your limits, but it is not something I have been involved with,

:37:07. > :37:11.you know, it is only just recently that I found out. So after that

:37:12. > :37:18.initial shock then how do you adjust and think, "OK, we need to sort this

:37:19. > :37:23.if we can." What do you do? It is difficult because it is the deceit

:37:24. > :37:26.and the lies really. The same with anything, drug taking, alcohol, the

:37:27. > :37:31.person involved always wants to deny it and cover it and sugar coat it.

:37:32. > :37:36.So it is getting past that to the truth. And making sure really I'm

:37:37. > :37:41.with him most of the time, but you know, you're doing quite well,

:37:42. > :37:45.aren't you? It is fine. It is fine. Financially I'm secure at the

:37:46. > :37:51.moment, but I work. I do after dinners, I dot commentary on the

:37:52. > :37:56.smaoker and enjoy life and do the odd TV programme, Strictly and Cash

:37:57. > :38:00.In The Attic and you keep battling on and it was a thing that happened

:38:01. > :38:08.three years ago that kind of triggered me suddenly going berserk

:38:09. > :38:13.and I wanted to win enough money to tell the management company where to

:38:14. > :38:16.go. They coned me into thinking I was a 30% shareholder, but I wasn't.

:38:17. > :38:22.As Jill said, you were lying to her? You think it is a white lie though.

:38:23. > :38:28.You don't think it is a bad thing. You don't need to tell her, I'm

:38:29. > :38:34.protecting her? When you are a gambler, you think tomorrow you can

:38:35. > :38:37.win. When you've run out of money drinking, you can't buy a drink

:38:38. > :38:44.anymore. Credit, anybody from the street can go into a bookmakers and

:38:45. > :38:48.if they start gambling ?300 or ?300 they are given ?1,000 credit. The

:38:49. > :38:51.argument against that, it is up to the individual to say, "No, thank

:38:52. > :38:56.you. Yeah, you have choices. It is hard, buff a choice. Whether you are

:38:57. > :39:01.an alcoholic or a drug taker or gambler... When you're gripped by

:39:02. > :39:07.the addiction. Do you see it as an illness? Oh, absolutely. Oh without

:39:08. > :39:11.a doubt. It spoilt my life. It cost me my first marriage, gambling, I

:39:12. > :39:17.went bankrupt 15 or 16 years ago and that cost me my first marriage. I've

:39:18. > :39:24.met Jill now. We have been together 22 years and she has been a rock.

:39:25. > :39:27.She stood by me thick and thin. You know, I'm happy, we're happy, but

:39:28. > :39:35.we've got to knuckle down and start again. I know previously you've

:39:36. > :39:40.talked about other sports in football for example, players on

:39:41. > :39:45.masses of money every week, ?100,000 a week and they are in debt. I know

:39:46. > :39:50.of two premiership players, one of which is getting ?80,000 a week and

:39:51. > :39:55.one is getting ?100,000 a week and they have had to remortgage their

:39:56. > :39:59.house. That's not common knowledge at the moment. The problem with

:40:00. > :40:03.sport you get so much free time. Most clubs ban them playing cards on

:40:04. > :40:06.the bus because they weren't playing a card for ?20 each, they were

:40:07. > :40:11.betting hundreds of thousands of pounds on the bus. The same in the

:40:12. > :40:17.snooker. We used to have a game of poker now and things and casinos, it

:40:18. > :40:21.was never really been my forte, it was something I don't think that's a

:40:22. > :40:26.way I'd like to gamble. My problem was horses. I used to love betting

:40:27. > :40:30.on the horses. I think you had your first bet at 15. My father had a

:40:31. > :40:34.horse. That's how it first happened. My near a pub and he had a horse and

:40:35. > :40:43.I was involved in watching the horses and things and because of

:40:44. > :40:47.there was no snooker clubs in my area, to want to improve I had to go

:40:48. > :40:51.to a snooker club. In the snooker club, if you wanted a television you

:40:52. > :40:56.went in the snooker club because they could get it for you and

:40:57. > :41:00.gamblers were in there. I have been in touch with gambling since I was

:41:01. > :41:05.16 years of age. Jill have you forgiven your husband for the lies

:41:06. > :41:09.and the deceit? Yes. In a way. There was a hesitation. I'm surprised she

:41:10. > :41:14.said yes. It is difficult really to come to terms with the fact that he

:41:15. > :41:17.was very, very secretive, but I can understand that he was trying to

:41:18. > :41:22.protect me and at the didn't want me to know. Who wants to go home and

:41:23. > :41:27.say o to their wife, "I've just lost ?20,000." My wife was carrying on as

:41:28. > :41:31.normal because I had, you know, I've got two children, I've got three

:41:32. > :41:35.grandchildren and I was working as well, so very much wrapped up in

:41:36. > :41:39.normal every day life, so not really knowing what he was doing when he

:41:40. > :41:43.wasn't with me. So you know... This is how gamblers are as well, you

:41:44. > :41:49.never leave with nothing in your pocket. I would always keep ?100 in

:41:50. > :41:55.my pocket. If Jill said, "Let's go down to the pub for a bite to eat."

:41:56. > :42:01.I would never say I have lost it gambling. I never went completely

:42:02. > :42:06.broke. Obviously bankruptcy you are completely broke. I always kept 100

:42:07. > :42:11.quid and she never knew the full extent. Really it is an illness and

:42:12. > :42:13.that's how I viewed it. The fact that he tried to commit suicide

:42:14. > :42:18.twice and that was the biggest shock. Something is broken, you try

:42:19. > :42:25.and mend it and that's what I have always tried to do with him. And not

:42:26. > :42:29.to walk away. So obviously if you love somebody, that's a natural

:42:30. > :42:34.thing to do. Is there total honesty now, do you think? Oh, absolutely,

:42:35. > :42:39.yeah. I would be lying if I said I didn't have a few pounds on the

:42:40. > :42:43.Lottery every week. At the minute, it is a chance... Again, that's not

:42:44. > :42:49.a crime. I have not been in a betting shop for over 18 months.

:42:50. > :42:53.Allegedly I was seen going into a Ladbrokes and place a substantial

:42:54. > :42:59.bet because is nonsense because there is no Ladbrokes in the village

:43:00. > :43:02.I'm in. I have never been in a betting shop for 18 months of the

:43:03. > :43:05.When you are in the public eye it becomes more knowledgeable people

:43:06. > :43:10.are out there looking and taking pictures or whatever and it looks

:43:11. > :43:15.bad even if it is not sometimes. Some comments from our viewers. Adam

:43:16. > :43:18.on Twitter says, "Grease to see you raising awareness of the tragedies."

:43:19. > :43:23.Brendan tweets, "The Government needs to ban all gamble adverts on

:43:24. > :43:29.TV for a start and get rid of the fixed point betting machines." Na,

:43:30. > :43:32."I am a compulsive gambler and I have been off gambling for 16 years

:43:33. > :43:39.now. I still have this illness until the day I die. I recently had to

:43:40. > :43:45.leave my job with a council due to lack from help and recognition for

:43:46. > :43:49.this illness. There are various organisations out there who can help

:43:50. > :43:56.and one of them is Gambles Anonymous." You never used them? I

:43:57. > :44:00.never used Gamblers Anonymous. I never gambled every day. I never got

:44:01. > :44:07.up and thought, "I need to have a bet." Sometimes I would go a week

:44:08. > :44:13.without having a bet, but the biggest thing with going back to the

:44:14. > :44:17.bookmakers is they are always giving little things to entice people N

:44:18. > :44:20.there is an advert in, if your horse comes second you get your money

:44:21. > :44:24.back. All those things. People are thinking, it is bound to be first or

:44:25. > :44:27.second. If it wins, I win. There is so many different things like that.

:44:28. > :44:31.Going back to the credit, I think the country is in a terrible state

:44:32. > :44:37.because of credit cards and credit. Graham on Twitter says, "Surely a

:44:38. > :44:41.casino who invites a known problem gambler into their establishment

:44:42. > :44:46.must have a motive for doing so?" Every year at the World

:44:47. > :44:53.Championship, the casino have an exhibition of snooker, Ken Doherty

:44:54. > :44:57.and John Virgo, after I finished commentating, we go into the casino

:44:58. > :45:03.to meet the lads, I wasn't going in to bet on the tables and the snooker

:45:04. > :45:06.exhibition hadn't finished and we had ?20 on the machine before we

:45:07. > :45:10.went into dinner and that's how simple it was. Thank you. Thank you

:45:11. > :45:12.for. Nice to meet you. Nice to see you both.

:45:13. > :45:14.For information, advice or support on any of the issues discussed visit

:45:15. > :45:16.gambleaware.co.uk or call the National Gambling

:45:17. > :45:42.Have you decided how you are going to vote in the EU referendum?

:45:43. > :45:47.Whether you have or haven't, you are welcome to take part in the second

:45:48. > :45:50.of our debates on the subject. Next Monday we are in Manchester a

:45:51. > :45:57.fortnight before the actual vote. It is open to everyone. It will take

:45:58. > :46:08.place between 9am and 11am. If you want to take part, e-mail me.

:46:09. > :46:11.The Birmingham pub bombings were the deadliest terrorist

:46:12. > :46:13.attack on mainland Britain for at least 60 years.

:46:14. > :46:16.On a quiet November evening in 1974, two pubs were blown apart

:46:17. > :46:43.This is how the devastating events unfolded.

:46:44. > :46:50.Two explosions went off within seconds of each other. In such

:46:51. > :46:57.confined surroundings packed with youngsters, the explosions inflicted

:46:58. > :47:03.hideous injuries. 21 people died. 166 were maimed and mutilated and

:47:04. > :47:06.lay screaming in the darkness. The force of one of the explosions was

:47:07. > :47:12.so greatly damaged a bus passing in the street. Within minutes, the

:47:13. > :47:16.bombers were changing trains at Crewe, not knowing they had already

:47:17. > :47:20.committed mass murder, not knowing police had heard about a suspicious

:47:21. > :47:27.Irishman on the train. When the bombers arrived at the ferry, the

:47:28. > :47:30.police were waiting. Four of the five were detained. Paddy Hill got

:47:31. > :47:35.onto the boat but was arrested before its sale. All five were taken

:47:36. > :47:39.to Morecambe police station while detectives drove up to interrogate

:47:40. > :47:43.them. At that time the man who had given the order for the bombing,

:47:44. > :47:45.travelling by a different route, was already in Ireland and out of reach

:47:46. > :47:50.of the police. A year after the blasts in 1975,

:47:51. > :47:53.six people were found guilty But the Court of Appeal ruled

:47:54. > :47:57.the verdicts were unsafe In the next hour a judge will decide

:47:58. > :48:01.whether to reopen the inquests into those who were killed,

:48:02. > :48:15.to try and find out what happened. It is actually a coroner who will

:48:16. > :48:22.make this decision. What kind of things will she be considering? Yes

:48:23. > :48:25.it is Louise Hunt, the Birmingham coroner. There have been several

:48:26. > :48:31.days of submissions before today's hearing. She hired lawyers arguing

:48:32. > :48:38.from both sides. On behalf of the family and survivors, they argue

:48:39. > :48:42.there is a lot to come out about the events. And that there are serious

:48:43. > :48:48.questions that need to be answered. This may be the only chance to hear

:48:49. > :48:52.those, to hear that evidence in public in their lifetime. A lot of

:48:53. > :48:57.them are in their 60s, 70s and 80s. They have asked for a public

:48:58. > :48:59.enquiry, that has not happened. West Midlands Police have looked at the

:49:00. > :49:04.evidence and there is not enough to bring prosecutions. We heard from

:49:05. > :49:08.West Midlands Police to say that the job of the coroner is simply to

:49:09. > :49:11.determine who died at the circumstances surrounding their

:49:12. > :49:17.deaths. We know what happened in those cases, they say, so there is

:49:18. > :49:22.no need for an inquest. I think what the families and survivors will be

:49:23. > :49:25.looking at is what happened regarding Hillsborough, and hoping

:49:26. > :49:30.the submissions made on their behalf will persuade Louise Hunt that yes,

:49:31. > :49:35.an inquest can be heard. We already know from her the last time we were

:49:36. > :49:38.here, that she has had some significant new evidence never

:49:39. > :49:42.before heard, never written about, which has already been submitted.

:49:43. > :49:47.They want to know what that is, and whether or not, for instance, the

:49:48. > :49:52.security services knew anything about the bombs in advance, whether

:49:53. > :49:55.there were, whether the authorities were guilty of not evacuating the

:49:56. > :49:59.pubs quickly enough and perhaps adding to the death toll that night.

:50:00. > :50:05.I have been to Dublin to speak to the former IRA intelligence chief,

:50:06. > :50:10.Kieran Conway, to get his views of what happened that night 42 years

:50:11. > :50:13.ago. I remember the bombs, the reports of

:50:14. > :52:05.the bombs and being absolutely shocked and appalled.

:52:06. > :52:15.I have got one person very interested in what is happening.

:52:16. > :52:20.That is Bill Craig. Tell us about your experiences and who you lost

:52:21. > :52:27.that night? My brother was the last one to die. He died on Monday the

:52:28. > :52:35.9th of December. He was 34. I was 27. I found him the following day in

:52:36. > :52:39.Birmingham hospital. At four o'clock on the Friday. All of these years on

:52:40. > :52:42.you have never had the answers. You always wanted to know who is

:52:43. > :52:50.responsible. Is this the last chance you will get? No, it is not the last

:52:51. > :52:53.chance. If the coroner says no, we will still carry on. There are other

:52:54. > :52:59.things in the pipeline and this will hang over Birmingham until we get

:53:00. > :53:02.the truth. For a long time the Birmingham pub bombings and the

:53:03. > :53:06.victims of it seemed to be forgotten. Why is there more

:53:07. > :53:13.interest in the case now four decades on? I don't know, it is hard

:53:14. > :53:17.to say. With Hillsborough, they stuck together. This is so painful

:53:18. > :53:26.for the families and it has been firm E4 40 years, it is so painful

:53:27. > :53:29.to go over this again. -- for me for 40 years. We want to know what

:53:30. > :53:33.happened on that Thursday night because we have not been told the

:53:34. > :53:37.truth. I spoke to survivors and relatives and they said they would

:53:38. > :53:43.never get the answers. Let's leave it now, it is too hard. I think

:53:44. > :53:45.there has been a change, actually. More people are turning up today and

:53:46. > :53:56.more people are getting involved in the campaign. The coroner is aware

:53:57. > :53:59.of significant information. We are not aware of it. I honestly cannot

:54:00. > :54:04.see her not going ahead with this but we still have doubts. We have

:54:05. > :54:11.been pushed back so many times. What has been said by Mr Underwood, you

:54:12. > :54:16.cannot see her say no. Mr Underwood, who represents the families, the

:54:17. > :54:20.barrister, has said there may be -- have been advance knowledge that

:54:21. > :54:24.there would be bombs planted in Birmingham, not that night but at

:54:25. > :54:29.some stage. You would clearly want to hear whether that is the case?

:54:30. > :54:34.Yes, we want to know the truth. The coroner has said she will ask the

:54:35. > :54:37.Ministry of Defence, the Foreign Office and secret services to

:54:38. > :54:43.provide the evidence if she goes ahead with the inquest. I think that

:54:44. > :54:48.will be held in private. I do not think we will get to know that. I

:54:49. > :54:52.think we should but I don't think we will. What about the police that

:54:53. > :54:56.night? There has been a suggestion they were slow to react. You were

:54:57. > :54:59.there that night and that next day. Do you think there was a chance that

:55:00. > :55:08.perhaps more people could have been saved? I think so, yes. There is a

:55:09. > :55:12.possibility the pubs could have been cleared. They had a warning. Then

:55:13. > :55:16.there was a thing about the emergency services not turning up,

:55:17. > :55:21.people being taken to hospital in private cars and black cabs. This

:55:22. > :55:27.could more lives have been saved? Could be pubs have been cleared?

:55:28. > :55:33.Could more lives have been saved on the way to the hospital? Kieran

:55:34. > :55:36.Conway, the IRA chief of intelligence at the time, said there

:55:37. > :55:39.was a mistake, that the bombers actually should have had better

:55:40. > :55:44.plans to get the warnings in. They did not intend to kill civilians, it

:55:45. > :55:52.was a disaster for the IRA. Does that make you feel better? Not

:55:53. > :55:56.really, no. Kieran Conway knows who is responsible. Chris Mullen knows

:55:57. > :55:58.who is responsible. The West Midlands Police know who is

:55:59. > :56:04.responsible and nobody is doing anything about it and that is true.

:56:05. > :56:08.Thank you for talking to us. Louise Hunt is about to begin delivering

:56:09. > :56:13.that ruling. It is impossible to say how long it will take. It could be

:56:14. > :56:17.half an hour, it could be an hour. As soon as we have the ruling, I

:56:18. > :56:19.will be out to talk to you. Thank you both. Now the weather with

:56:20. > :56:28.Carol. Good morning. We have lots of

:56:29. > :56:34.different weather around the country. Beautiful sunshine. This is

:56:35. > :56:42.in Northern Ireland. Lovely blue skies. We have had some rain. This

:56:43. > :56:46.picture is from Norfolk. We have changed the colour bra strap to

:56:47. > :56:51.read. It was green. That is because we are following the meteorological

:56:52. > :56:57.seasons. Today is the first day of summer. You would not believe it

:56:58. > :57:03.looking at that picture! We use a lot of Weather Watchers pictures. If

:57:04. > :57:16.you want to get involved, you can do so by going online. This is the

:57:17. > :57:20.address. Send us in your pictures. When you have done a few of them,

:57:21. > :57:23.you will see the previous reports you have also done. You add the

:57:24. > :57:29.temperature where you are and the weather symbol. For example, this is

:57:30. > :57:33.sunshine. And of course you have got your user name and location. When we

:57:34. > :57:38.get them into the weather centre, we use them on television or burned

:57:39. > :57:44.down the land through the national and regional forecasts. This was

:57:45. > :57:48.sent in this morning. Again, lovely blue skies in contrast to what we

:57:49. > :57:54.are looking at as we push elsewhere. In Suffolk and it has been a Web

:57:55. > :57:58.start. Today we're looking at a mixture of patchy rain and some

:57:59. > :58:02.sunshine. Do send us your pictures. We love seeing them. Thank you for

:58:03. > :58:10.sending in those we have already had. We have 110,000 Weather

:58:11. > :58:17.Watchers. They have sent in half a million pictures so far. We have

:58:18. > :58:22.cloud. Towards the West, a beautiful day. Temperatures climbing rapidly.

:58:23. > :58:26.If you are exposed to the northerly wind, it is a brisk wind and it is a

:58:27. > :58:30.cold wind. Across England and Wales we have got a lot of cloud, some

:58:31. > :58:35.murky conditions and some patchy rain and drizzle. Drift out towards

:58:36. > :58:42.the West, Northern Ireland has got a cracking day. Temperatures 19 to 20.

:58:43. > :58:48.Yesterday the top temperature was in Glasgow. In the north and north-east

:58:49. > :58:56.of Scotland we are going to be prone to more cloud. That keen wind really

:58:57. > :59:00.making it feel colder and those temperatures suggest. North-west

:59:01. > :59:04.England started off on a brighter note but cloud building through the

:59:05. > :59:08.day. For the rest of England we carry on with cloud and drizzle.

:59:09. > :59:14.Rain getting down into Cornwall. Some sunny spells. Pembrokeshire

:59:15. > :59:21.seeing some sunshine. The rest of Wales prone to patchy rain. Still

:59:22. > :59:24.pretty windy overnight. A lot of cloud as well. Rain turning more

:59:25. > :59:30.showery. The heaviest rain will be across the English Channel. To the

:59:31. > :59:38.west and north, under clear skies, patchy mist and fog will lift quite

:59:39. > :59:40.readily tomorrow. Tomorrow, for much of Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales

:59:41. > :59:46.and south-west England we are looking at some sunny skies. Showers

:59:47. > :59:51.in the south-east. Rain in the far north of Scotland. Despite the fact

:59:52. > :59:56.we have got all this cloud, here and there we will see some brighter

:59:57. > :00:03.skies at times. As we move into Friday and Saturday, it is the north

:00:04. > :00:04.and west that hangs the sunshine. Central and eastern areas will have

:00:05. > :00:07.more cloud and thundery showers. Our top story today,

:00:08. > :00:21.in the next few minutes a coroner will announce whether inquests

:00:22. > :00:23.will be resumed into the Birmingham Families believe it could be

:00:24. > :00:29.their last chance to hear evidence in public that wasn't available

:00:30. > :00:32.in 1974 and find out from the police and security services

:00:33. > :00:38.what really happened. It's alleged the authorities didn't

:00:39. > :00:47.do enough to evacuate the two pubs. NEWSREEL: Two explosions have gone

:00:48. > :00:51.off within seconds of each other in such confined surroundings packed

:00:52. > :00:55.with youngsters, the blasting explosive inflicted hideous

:00:56. > :01:05.injuries. 21, including Jane Davis, and her friends died.

:01:06. > :01:09.Liam Feed murdered by his mother as partner. Other children were kept in

:01:10. > :01:11.a cage and tied to a chair. We will ask how the abuse went unnoticed for

:01:12. > :01:21.so long? And the father of a mentally ill dad

:01:22. > :01:25.of one who killed himself in prison tells this programme his treatment

:01:26. > :01:30.there was "despicable". They said there was failings and

:01:31. > :01:34.we'll learn from these. The PPO put the recommendations in and then the

:01:35. > :01:39.State pay the family and everyone moves on.

:01:40. > :01:40.Before 11am we will get reaction from the Prison Officers'

:01:41. > :01:47.Association. Maxine Mawhinney is in the BBC

:01:48. > :01:50.Newsroom with a summary A coroner will announce

:01:51. > :01:54.today whether an inquest into the Birmingham pub bombings

:01:55. > :01:57.in 1974, in which 21 people The original inquest was adjourned

:01:58. > :02:03.days after the attack and because of the criminal

:02:04. > :02:05.investigation, which later resulted in the conviction of six men,

:02:06. > :02:08.it was never resumed. The so-called Birmingham Six

:02:09. > :02:10.were acquitted in 1991. The bombs ripped through

:02:11. > :02:18.the two Birmingham pubs 21 people were killed

:02:19. > :02:24.and 181 were injured. An inquest was opened,

:02:25. > :02:28.but adjourned in 1975 when six men were tried

:02:29. > :02:30.and convicted of the bombings. But they were cleared

:02:31. > :02:34.by the Appeal Court in 1991. Twice since then, the police have

:02:35. > :02:36.reviewed the evidence and been The coroner says she has received

:02:37. > :02:42.a significant new piece of evidence that's never been heard before

:02:43. > :02:45.about the attacks all those years ago here at the Tavern

:02:46. > :02:48.in the town and along What the families are hoping

:02:49. > :02:54.is there will be an inquest because it could be the last chance

:02:55. > :02:57.they get in their lifetimes to hear some of the evidence

:02:58. > :02:59.about what went on that night. Several of the men responsible

:03:00. > :03:02.are believed to still be alive, but in an exclusive interview

:03:03. > :03:05.with the BBC, a senior IRA figure at the time says it is unlikely

:03:06. > :03:09.they'll ever face trial. The only way there could be

:03:10. > :03:14.convictions would be if the man walked into police stations

:03:15. > :03:17.in the UK and confessed to their parts in the bombing

:03:18. > :03:21.and that ain't going to happen. Which means everything

:03:22. > :03:22.rests on today's ruling. Campaigners have described

:03:23. > :03:24.the possibility that the inquest The Vote Leave Campaign is calling

:03:25. > :03:36.for big changes to the immigration system if Britain votes

:03:37. > :03:38.to leave the EU. It wants to scrap the automatic

:03:39. > :03:41.right of EU citizens to work in the UK and replace it

:03:42. > :03:44.with a points-based system, The Remain Campaign says

:03:45. > :04:00.the proposals would If you've got any questions

:04:01. > :04:04.on the EU Referendum, let us know. The Ukip MP and supporter

:04:05. > :04:06.of Vote Leave Douglas Carswell will be answering your questions

:04:07. > :04:09.at 11.30am tomorrow morning You can get in touch via Twitter

:04:10. > :04:13.using the hashtag BBC Ask This Nearly 8,000 people have been

:04:14. > :04:17.arrested in England and Wales for driving under the influence

:04:18. > :04:20.of drugs since April last year, when it became a specific

:04:21. > :04:22.offence for the first time. The figures come from

:04:23. > :04:24.a BBC Radio Five Live freedom of information request,

:04:25. > :04:26.which gives the first insight The Metropolitan Police carried out

:04:27. > :04:31.the most arrests followed A plan to build a lorry park

:04:32. > :04:39.near the M20 in Kent to deal with congestion when cross-Channel

:04:40. > :04:41.services are disrupted has The Transport Select Committee said

:04:42. > :04:46.the decision to proceed with the park, which will cost

:04:47. > :04:48.?250 million, was taken "hastily" It comes after part of the M20

:04:49. > :04:52.was used 32 times last summer by queuing lorries, a process known

:04:53. > :05:00.as Operation Stack. The family of a man who killed

:05:01. > :05:04.himself at Chelmsford prison says lessons are not being learned on how

:05:05. > :05:06.to treat inmates with Across England and Wales, 89

:05:07. > :05:13.prisoners took their own lives last year, with this number likely to get

:05:14. > :05:16.higher as investigations In 2014, the then Chief Inspector

:05:17. > :05:30.of Prisons, Nick Hardwick, Mark Saunders told this programme he

:05:31. > :05:34.thought some staff weren't concerned about inmates welfare. Someone

:05:35. > :05:39.should take the blame and stand up and say, "It was my fault. I didn't

:05:40. > :05:44.do my job properly." I am a bus driver. If I kill someone, I'm held

:05:45. > :05:48.responsible. Someone should be held responsible. Maybe things might

:05:49. > :05:50.change if they know that people are going to be held responsible for

:05:51. > :05:55.their actions. Carla Lane, one of Britain's most

:05:56. > :05:57.successful television writers, She rose to fame after creating

:05:58. > :06:01.several popular BBC series, including The Liver Birds,

:06:02. > :06:03.Butterflies, and Bread. She was also a keen

:06:04. > :06:10.animal rights activist. That's a summary of

:06:11. > :06:24.the latest BBC News. Thanks Maxine. Thank you for your

:06:25. > :06:30.comments about suicide in jail. You saw a clip of Mark Saunders talking

:06:31. > :06:35.about the death of his Son, Dean. He was on remand at Chelmsford. This

:06:36. > :06:41.e-mail from someone who doesn't give their name. "My 24-year-old nephew

:06:42. > :06:45.was in jail. He was on a 15 minute suicide watch, within that quarter

:06:46. > :06:48.of an hour he took his own life. How did the authorities believe you

:06:49. > :06:54.won't be able to take your life in that time? It doesn't make sense?"

:06:55. > :06:59.Somebody watching the programme who works in a prison, "The biggest

:07:00. > :07:02.issue facing prisoners when they are received into custody is the delay

:07:03. > :07:07.receiving their medication, they panic and deteriorate. Overcrowding

:07:08. > :07:10.is a smoke screen to cover-up the real medical failings, but many

:07:11. > :07:12.mentally ill prisoners should not be there at all." You're welcome to get

:07:13. > :07:15.in touch with us. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:07:16. > :07:19.and If you text, you will be charged Here's the sport

:07:20. > :07:23.with Hugh Woozencroft. A few moments ago it has been

:07:24. > :07:29.announced that the governing body of Boxing has voted to allow

:07:30. > :07:31.professionals into this summer's The AIBA says 26 entry places

:07:32. > :07:36.are available at a qualifying That means the IBF World Heavyweight

:07:37. > :07:45.champion Anthony Joshua could defend Earlier this year Wladimir Klitschko

:07:46. > :07:50.said he'd love to represent Ukraine, 20 years after he won a gold

:07:51. > :07:54.medal in Atlanta. England manager Roy Hodgson has

:07:55. > :07:56.selected their youngest squad for a major tournament

:07:57. > :07:59.with an average age of 26. The headline of course

:08:00. > :08:01.was the inclusion of Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford,

:08:02. > :08:04.who will be the youngest player at Euro 2016 when the tournament

:08:05. > :08:14.begins next week. If you can play for Manchester

:08:15. > :08:18.United, still one of the biggest clubs in the world, no matter their

:08:19. > :08:23.form, playing in front of 75,000 people with all the pressures of

:08:24. > :08:26.playing for Manchester United. I has done incredibly well. He is young

:08:27. > :08:29.and fresh and he offers something a little bit dimpblet he is in very,

:08:30. > :08:32.very good form. Why wouldn't you take him?

:08:33. > :08:34.Wales midfielder Joe Ledley is in their squad less than month

:08:35. > :08:38.Gareth Bale will join up with the squad today

:08:39. > :08:40.after winning his second Champions League title

:08:41. > :08:44.Manager Chris Coleman has urged the rest of his squad to follow

:08:45. > :08:56.We have got' great player and one of the best players in the world. Then

:08:57. > :09:01.you're talking about levels that are extremely high. So we need to all

:09:02. > :09:08.try to be realistic in where we can get to, but we need to be as best as

:09:09. > :09:14.we can to utilise what we've got and players like himself and Ram burn,

:09:15. > :09:19.we have got top players, Ashley Williams and Joe Allen. To back them

:09:20. > :09:23.up, we've got good players. I know everybody wants to talk about

:09:24. > :09:25.certain players, but we have got good players in this group.

:09:26. > :09:28.Imagine being told continuing your sport could put your life at risk.

:09:29. > :09:31.Well that's what happened to England cricketer James Taylor six weeks ago

:09:32. > :09:33.when he was diagnosed with a potentially fatal heart condition.

:09:34. > :09:36.For a Special Radio 5 Live programme tonight Taylor has

:09:37. > :09:40.met Fabrice Muamba, the retired footballer nearly

:09:41. > :09:42.lost his life four years ago after suffering a cardiac problem

:09:43. > :09:53.Enjoy every single moment you have with your friends, family and

:09:54. > :09:57.fiancee and just embrace whatever life has to offer for you because

:09:58. > :10:02.for us to be alive it is a huge bonus. There is people who weren't

:10:03. > :10:06.fortunate enough, you know, to be alive because they find themselves

:10:07. > :10:10.in a similar situation to us, but they won't be able to survive, but

:10:11. > :10:14.we have come to the other side of it and be strong. We're still here. So

:10:15. > :10:18.we have to enjoy every day and enjoy our family. As soon as this

:10:19. > :10:21.happened, you were my inspiration and now it is funny sat here talking

:10:22. > :10:25.to you and that's the message that you're saying back to me, just

:10:26. > :10:29.appreciate life and every second and life is a real gift that we've got.

:10:30. > :10:32.James Taylor meets Fabrice Muamba IS on 5live at 9pm and see

:10:33. > :10:39.more of the interview here on Derbyshire tomorrow.

:10:40. > :10:43.Look forward to that, thank you very much, Hugh.

:10:44. > :10:45.This is two-year-old Liam Fee, neglected and abused

:10:46. > :10:51.by his mother and her partner until they eventually killed him.

:10:52. > :10:55.His lifeless body was found in a buggy.

:10:56. > :10:57.He'd been struck so hard in his midriff

:10:58. > :11:01.Yesterday his mother and her partner were found guilty of his murder.

:11:02. > :11:03.They were also convicted of abusing two other boys.

:11:04. > :11:06.One was kept in a cage, another tied to a chair

:11:07. > :11:13.in a dark room where snakes and rats were kept.

:11:14. > :11:15.They'd told the children the animals were there to "eat

:11:16. > :11:40.The children were also forced to eat dog mess and vomit.

:11:41. > :11:46.You didn't see him. You didn't know he existed to be honest with you.

:11:47. > :11:50.REPORTER: Did you ever see him in the street in the buggy? Yes, but

:11:51. > :11:57.always coveredment never saw him sit up and look or that, but why does he

:11:58. > :11:59.keep himself covered? Because he doesn't like to interact with other

:12:00. > :12:12.people because he gets upset. There were a range of agencies

:12:13. > :12:15.involved in supporting Liam and his family and the details of that will

:12:16. > :12:18.be looked at through the significant case review. You can't call it

:12:19. > :12:22.anything other than a failure, can you? I think it is important that we

:12:23. > :12:23.allow the significant case review to consider the circumstances of what's

:12:24. > :12:51.happened with Liam in some detail. It is a horrific case. The because

:12:52. > :12:59.and the neglect and when Liam dies one of the children have to admit to

:13:00. > :13:06.his death. It our partner agencies we teased out the truth and

:13:07. > :13:10.discredited Rachel and Nyomi's version of events.

:13:11. > :13:12.There were more than 30 injuries on Liam Fee's body including

:13:13. > :13:14.bruising to his private parts and fractures to his

:13:15. > :13:26.Liam's mother Rachel Trelfa and her partner Nyomi Feead had

:13:27. > :13:29.Liam's mother Rachel Trelfa and her partner Nyomi Fee had had

:13:30. > :13:32.Googled searches such as "how do you die of a broken hip",

:13:33. > :13:35."how long can you live with a broken bone" and "can wives be

:13:36. > :13:45.They were asked about it during a police interview.

:13:46. > :13:56.Did you have any drawers? Can you tell us when they were used for?

:13:57. > :14:12.It is 9.24pm. "If I go to jail, who pays your bills?"

:14:13. > :14:21., "Can wives be in prison together?" There was like no emotion in them.

:14:22. > :14:28.They weren't bothered. They were sort of laughing and joking that

:14:29. > :14:31.they were going to get sent to jail for neglect because they knew they

:14:32. > :14:37.were getting done with neglect anyway that's what they were saying,

:14:38. > :14:39.but laughing and joking, "Do you think we will get the same cell

:14:40. > :14:44.together?" Stuff like that. Evidence provided by other children

:14:45. > :14:48.was crucial in this case. As the police put it,

:14:49. > :14:50."This was a complex, challenging and sensitive

:14:51. > :14:52.investigation which involved interviewing two young children

:14:53. > :14:58.to establish the level of abuse and neglect both they and Liam Fee

:14:59. > :15:00.had been subjected to." To get some

:15:01. > :15:02.insight into this kind of work, Alison Levitt QC is head

:15:03. > :15:05.of business crime at the law She was the Principal Legal Advisor

:15:06. > :15:11.to the Director of Public Prosecutions and drew up a set

:15:12. > :15:14.of Guidelines on Prosecuting Cases And speaking to us from Edinburgh

:15:15. > :15:32.is Alison Todd, Chief Executive And Professor Brigid Daniel from the

:15:33. > :15:39.University of Stirling. How do you react to this case? The whole of

:15:40. > :15:46.Scotland is really shocked from this case. It was quite unimaginable

:15:47. > :15:53.cruelty and unimaginable to imagine the suffering of the children

:15:54. > :15:56.involved. All of us looking for answers -- are looking for answers.

:15:57. > :16:01.It is important to be significant case review does pick up on the

:16:02. > :16:07.unanswered questions so we can make sure that no one suffers in the same

:16:08. > :16:13.way that Liam Fee did. What are some of the questions you would like

:16:14. > :16:18.answered? There were a range of people who raised concerns. It is

:16:19. > :16:25.important that we understand how we can better coordinate concerns going

:16:26. > :16:29.forward. I think we have heard that Liam fell off the radar. Again it is

:16:30. > :16:32.important to understand why that happened and make sure that we make

:16:33. > :16:41.provision so it does not happen again. Professor Daniel, on at least

:16:42. > :16:49.three occasions social services were alerted by Liam's Nursery, a

:16:50. > :16:54.childminder, someone who saw them on the street and saw Liam in his

:16:55. > :17:00.buggy, did not know whether he was dead or alive. What does the case

:17:01. > :17:06.review needs to find out first ball? It is difficult for us to comment on

:17:07. > :17:11.a particular situation. There has been a huge amount of work over the

:17:12. > :17:15.last few years in Scotland trying to improve the arrangements for

:17:16. > :17:20.multidisciplinary discussions around complex situations like this. One of

:17:21. > :17:23.the things would be to ascertain what happened then. Perhaps even

:17:24. > :17:28.more important is to look at the situation today post the

:17:29. > :17:33.disciplinary developments, to see if there is a better approach to the

:17:34. > :17:37.different disciplines being able to share their concerns together.

:17:38. > :17:44.Rather than one discipline trying to make a referral to another. The

:17:45. > :17:50.Scottish framework for children, that is the aspiration. It has been

:17:51. > :17:53.shown to work where it has been piloted. There are better mechanisms

:17:54. > :17:58.for the different disciplines to compare notes about concerns. I

:17:59. > :18:01.would say this is not typical of the kind of situations many

:18:02. > :18:06.practitioners are working with. This is a situation where it appears as

:18:07. > :18:12.if people were trying to avoid any contact with professionals. Whereas

:18:13. > :18:17.the kind of chronic neglect people are working with tends to be

:18:18. > :18:23.different from this specific case. Indeed, the family, when they were

:18:24. > :18:27.approached, they would lie about Liam's injuries. They would say he

:18:28. > :18:32.had fallen over, there was absolutely nothing wrong. Yes, one

:18:33. > :18:39.of the real challenges for social workers is that they need -- and it

:18:40. > :18:46.is the same for other professionals involved with children, may have

:18:47. > :18:49.been empathic support for parents, understanding the challenges of

:18:50. > :18:56.parenting, particularly in times of austerity, but also being able to

:18:57. > :18:59.maintain that sharp focus on the part of the child and assessing the

:19:00. > :19:05.risks of the child. -- for the child. It is getting that balance

:19:06. > :19:10.right. It is a very tricky balance to attain. If you are overly

:19:11. > :19:17.vigilant and overly judgmental, then society feels as if the profession

:19:18. > :19:22.is overly intrusive. Whereas if we stand back and provide more support

:19:23. > :19:27.rather than protection, the system is accused of not being alert

:19:28. > :19:31.enough. It is a constant challenge trying to get that right. I think in

:19:32. > :19:37.Scotland there has been a lot of work going on in the last few years

:19:38. > :19:43.to try to take that head on. Let me bring in Alison Levet QC. Those who

:19:44. > :19:47.witnessed Liam Fee's torture, apart from the perpetrators, were young

:19:48. > :19:51.children. How do you go about drawing information out from

:19:52. > :19:59.children who witnessed such behaviour? Interestingly, until

:20:00. > :20:02.relatively recently, as recently as 1986, very young children were

:20:03. > :20:07.presumed to -- to be incapable of giving evidence in court. Even those

:20:08. > :20:10.who were a bit older, judges were forced to remind juries of the

:20:11. > :20:17.dangers of convicting on their evidence unless they had supporting

:20:18. > :20:22.evidence. There was a turning point, probably in the case of baby P,

:20:23. > :20:24.which many people will remember, in which a four and a half -year-old

:20:25. > :20:32.child gave evidence about what had happened to her when was to. -- two.

:20:33. > :20:35.If children's evidences excluded, there may be some crimes that go

:20:36. > :20:40.unpunished because, as appears to have been the case here, the

:20:41. > :20:43.children may be the only witnesses. The second thing is that with

:20:44. > :20:46.appropriate safeguards, children can give evidence that is not only

:20:47. > :20:53.reliable, but is incredibly persuasive as well. The critical

:20:54. > :20:58.question for the court is whether or not the child is capable of

:20:59. > :21:01.understanding the question and giving an understandable answer to

:21:02. > :21:04.that question. If that is the case, it becomes a matter for the jury as

:21:05. > :21:09.to whether or not that child is telling the truth or might be

:21:10. > :21:13.exaggerating. Obviously trained professionals will be the ones

:21:14. > :21:16.talking to those children. They have two ask questions in a particular

:21:17. > :21:24.way. They cannot influence the child. It is wrong to treat children

:21:25. > :21:31.as miniature adults. Their brains do not work the same way. They may not

:21:32. > :21:33.have the sophistication of vocabulary that an adult may have to

:21:34. > :21:39.explain the nuances of what has happened. Their memories, or the

:21:40. > :21:43.recall of their memories, does not work in the same way. They may not

:21:44. > :21:46.remember things as a linear progression. Or they might be

:21:47. > :21:53.susceptible to wanting to please people. We know the way the

:21:54. > :21:59.questions are asked can be very influential in the way the child

:22:00. > :22:03.responds. A tag question is one that contains both a statement and a

:22:04. > :22:11.question in the same sentence, as it were. Something like, and advocate

:22:12. > :22:14.saying, daddy did not hit you, did he? That is confusing to a child

:22:15. > :22:19.because it is a statement from a personal authority with a question

:22:20. > :22:23.at the end. Now we have two things that have advanced the development

:22:24. > :22:26.of children's evidence in court. The first is that all police officers

:22:27. > :22:31.taking evidence have to be specially trained. The evidence is taken on

:22:32. > :22:38.video. There is the full disclosure of not only what was said but what

:22:39. > :22:41.was asked. That video can be played in court. We also have

:22:42. > :22:44.intermediaries. They are specially trained people. They are not

:22:45. > :22:47.interpreters. They are there to assist a vulnerable witness, it

:22:48. > :22:54.could be a child or someone with learning difficulties, by saying for

:22:55. > :22:59.example, I am not sure that she understood that question. Can you

:23:00. > :23:04.explain it? If the child's evidences videoed and that is played in court,

:23:05. > :23:08.how can the evidence be tested? The defence advocate is entitled to ask

:23:09. > :23:12.questions on cross examination. How that is done is now carefully

:23:13. > :23:16.controlled by judges to ensure the child is capable of giving his or

:23:17. > :23:21.her best evidence, but it is properly tested. The advocates have

:23:22. > :23:25.to change to meet the needs of the witness rather than the witness

:23:26. > :23:27.accommodating the needs of the court. Thank you for coming on the

:23:28. > :23:33.programme. Thank you all of you. We're expected a decision any time

:23:34. > :23:36.now on whether the inquests into the 1974 Birmingham pub

:23:37. > :23:38.bombings will re-open. A coroner has been reviewing

:23:39. > :23:40.the case and says some of the new material she's

:23:41. > :23:44.received is significant. In the last few minute coroner

:23:45. > :23:47.Louise Hunt began the hearing by describing the 1974 bombings

:23:48. > :23:49.as a "terrible atrocity resulting in multiple deaths

:23:50. > :23:52.of innocent people". She then read out the names

:23:53. > :23:56.of all 21 victims. Julie Hambleton - whose 18 year

:23:57. > :24:01.old sister Maxine died in the bombings - spoke to reporters

:24:02. > :24:09.on her way into the Coroners' Court. She said if the coroner decided not

:24:10. > :24:11.to hold new inquests into the deaths of those who died -

:24:12. > :24:21.she would be devastated. We have never had an inquest. And we

:24:22. > :24:27.believe we have the right to go through the same process as any

:24:28. > :24:31.other process who lost a loved one in suspicious circumstances. That is

:24:32. > :24:37.all we want. How important is this to you as a group? It is momentous.

:24:38. > :24:43.This is the most important day in our lives and for the memory of our

:24:44. > :24:47.loved ones. Everything we do, we do for our loved ones and for a

:24:48. > :24:52.surviving parents and siblings. All we want is the truth. And justice

:24:53. > :25:03.and accountability to come alongside that. Any family in our position

:25:04. > :25:08.would want what we want. Whilst we wouldn't wish any other family to

:25:09. > :25:17.walk in our shoes, if they did, they would understand the desire for us

:25:18. > :25:24.to come to a day like today. I mean, you have to remember, the

:25:25. > :25:27.accumulation of where we are today has come about on the back of our

:25:28. > :25:34.fantastic supporters in Birmingham, around the country, people would

:25:35. > :25:39.travel from Wales, London, all over, too, and support us and still do.

:25:40. > :25:44.Northern Ireland and Ireland, all over the world, even. And the

:25:45. > :25:47.fantastic local newspaper, the Birmingham mail, has become one of

:25:48. > :25:52.our staunchest supporters. And without our legal team based in

:25:53. > :26:00.Belfast, we would not be where we are today. And we will be, forever,

:26:01. > :26:05.indebted to all of them. As soon as there is a decision we

:26:06. > :26:10.will bring it to you first. Still to come, the continuing horror of the

:26:11. > :26:14.battle for Falluja. The UN warns of civilians being used as human

:26:15. > :26:26.shields and 20,000 trapped children, some being forced to fight for

:26:27. > :26:31.Islamic State in Iraq. 75 grams of the Japanese defence forces have

:26:32. > :26:35.joined the search for a boy missing in mountains since Saturday. His

:26:36. > :26:39.parents admitted leaving him in a densely forested region populated by

:26:40. > :26:43.wild bears, as a punishment for throwing stones. They say it was for

:26:44. > :26:47.about five minutes. When they returned to collect him, he had

:26:48. > :26:50.disappeared. Let's talk to our correspondent who has been following

:26:51. > :26:56.the story from Singapore. Fill us in with more details will stop

:26:57. > :27:00.Victoria, as you said, today was the first day the Japanese military got

:27:01. > :27:08.involved, searching for the seven-year-old boy who has been

:27:09. > :27:11.missing since Saturday. Police officers, firefighters and civilians

:27:12. > :27:15.have been looking for him with no luck. It is getting late, it is

:27:16. > :27:19.getting dark in Japan and there has been no news. I presume the search

:27:20. > :27:23.effort will probably have to continue tomorrow on day six since

:27:24. > :27:29.he went missing. They are concerned about his health, because he is

:27:30. > :27:35.believed to be dressed in just a T-shirt with no water, no food. And

:27:36. > :27:40.the area is believed to be home to wild bears. There were fresh bear

:27:41. > :27:43.tracks found. Not just those volunteers searching and police

:27:44. > :27:49.officers, but local hunters were added to the search in case of wild

:27:50. > :27:53.bears appearing when they were looking. What kind of reaction has

:27:54. > :27:56.there been to the parents acknowledging they had left their

:27:57. > :28:01.son there as a punishment, albeit for five minutes? There have been

:28:02. > :28:09.different reactions, when you compare local media and online. On

:28:10. > :28:13.local media television, the father spoke to them briefly over the

:28:14. > :28:16.weekend, apologising for troubling Sony people with the search effort.

:28:17. > :28:22.And they have not really been criticising the father or the

:28:23. > :28:28.parents just yet. They seem to be respecting the families privacy as

:28:29. > :28:33.well as focusing on the boy's safety. Online it is a totally

:28:34. > :28:38.different story. A lot of people criticising the parents, saying this

:28:39. > :28:41.is abuse and not discipline. Of course, just like everywhere else,

:28:42. > :28:45.opinions are split about what the appropriate measure is to discipline

:28:46. > :28:49.your child. But it seems like everyone agrees that leaving a child

:28:50. > :28:58.in a mountainous forest was a step too far. Thank you very much. Coming

:28:59. > :29:03.up in the last Havenaar, Madonna and Guy Ritchie are back in court today.

:29:04. > :29:07.The latest twist in their custody battle over their teenage son. We

:29:08. > :29:10.bring you the details. And the family of a mentally ill father of

:29:11. > :29:14.one who killed himself in jail has told this programme his treatment

:29:15. > :29:19.was despicable. We get reaction to the interview from prison officers.

:29:20. > :29:25.With the News here's Maxine in the BBC Newsroom.

:29:26. > :29:28.A coroner will announce today whether inquests into the Birmingham

:29:29. > :29:30.pub bombings in 1974, in which 21 people died,

:29:31. > :29:37.The original inquests were adjourned because of the criminal

:29:38. > :29:39.investigation that ended with the conviction of six men

:29:40. > :29:46.It's widely believed the IRA was behind the attacks.

:29:47. > :29:48.The coroner who has been reviewing the case says she's received some

:29:49. > :29:55.The Vote Leave Campaign is calling for big changes to the immigration

:29:56. > :29:57.system if Britain votes to leave the EU.

:29:58. > :30:00.It wants to scrap the automatic right of EU citizens to work

:30:01. > :30:02.in the UK and replace it with a points-based system,

:30:03. > :30:13.The Remain Campaign say the proposals would

:30:14. > :30:17.Nearly 8,000 people have been arrested in England and Wales

:30:18. > :30:19.for driving under the influence of drugs since April last year,

:30:20. > :30:22.when it became a specific offence for the first time.

:30:23. > :30:24.The figures come from a BBC Radio Five Live freedom

:30:25. > :30:26.of information request, which gives the first insight

:30:27. > :30:32.The Metropolitan Police carried out the most arrests followed

:30:33. > :30:40.A plan to build a lorry park near the M20 in Kent to deal

:30:41. > :30:41.with congestion when cross-Channel services are disrupted has

:30:42. > :30:45.The Transport Select Committee said the decision to proceed

:30:46. > :30:47.with the park, which will cost ?250 million, was taken "hastily"

:30:48. > :30:51.It comes after part of the M20 was used 32 times last summer

:30:52. > :31:00.by queuing lorries, a process known as Operation Stack.

:31:01. > :31:03.One in five people with motor neurone disease wait more

:31:04. > :31:06.than a year to see a brain specialist for help with diagnosis -

:31:07. > :31:10.An MND Association report points to delays which prevent

:31:11. > :31:12.people getting early care for the condition,

:31:13. > :31:23.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:31:24. > :31:30.Here's the sports headlines now with Hugh Woozencroft.

:31:31. > :31:44.Very interesting story this morning as boxing's world governing body

:31:45. > :31:45.decides to allow professional boxers into this summer's

:31:46. > :31:48.That means World Heavyweight Champion Antony Joshua

:31:49. > :31:52.could defend the gold medal he won at London 2012.

:31:53. > :31:55.We'll hear from Roy Hodgson later today after he included the

:31:56. > :31:57.18-year-old Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford in his

:31:58. > :32:00.It could be a risk as could Chris Coleman's selection

:32:01. > :32:04.He's in the Wales squad less than a month after suffering

:32:05. > :32:09.After winning the Champions League with Real Madrid last weekend

:32:10. > :32:11.Gareth Bale will join up with the squad today.

:32:12. > :32:14.Play has resumed at Roland Garros - meaning there's a better chance

:32:15. > :32:16.Andy Murray will play Richard Gasquet today for a place

:32:17. > :32:22.That's all the fort for now, Victoria, but I will be back with

:32:23. > :32:29.more on BBC News throughout the day. Calling all university students,

:32:30. > :32:30.or would be students, not to mention the thousands

:32:31. > :32:33.of staff at universities. How are you going to vote

:32:34. > :32:35.in the EU referendum? Do you want to remain

:32:36. > :32:37.in the EU or leave? In the latest in our series looking

:32:38. > :32:40.at the various issues which might affect your vote,

:32:41. > :32:42.we're going to talk about universities,

:32:43. > :32:44.and whether students and staff would be better or worse off

:32:45. > :32:47.if Britain were to leave the EU? A group of vice-chancellors

:32:48. > :32:49.from some of the country's top universities has already warned that

:32:50. > :32:52.exiting the EU could be disastrous for research funding and would leave

:32:53. > :32:54.British institutions And what about students

:32:55. > :32:57.wanting to travel elsewhere When we held the BBC One TV debate

:32:58. > :33:07.on the EU for under-30s last week, this is what Stephanie

:33:08. > :33:13.from Glasgow asked. I am a student and I intend to study

:33:14. > :33:18.abroad at some point, so what will we lose and what will we gain in

:33:19. > :33:22.terms of international relations in terms of the EU Liam Fox? I don't

:33:23. > :33:26.think you need to lose anything at all. There is a world outside the

:33:27. > :33:30.European Union. People do go and study and travel and have holidays

:33:31. > :33:34.elsewhere. APPLAUSE

:33:35. > :33:37.My dad was a taught French and Spanish and long before we were in

:33:38. > :33:40.the European Union we used to have holidays in France and Spain and

:33:41. > :33:43.people did continue to go and study in other countries. That will

:33:44. > :33:46.continue. Why do we have the arrangements? Because it is

:33:47. > :33:49.genuinely in the interests of both parties to do so. People want to

:33:50. > :33:52.come and study in our country. It is good for us to go and study

:33:53. > :33:58.elsewhere. The idea that because we're not in the European Union,

:33:59. > :34:03.you're not going to be able to have a holiday in Majorca. To be fair, no

:34:04. > :34:07.one is suggesting we won't be able to have a holiday in Majorca. As

:34:08. > :34:13.members of the EU, anyone here would be able to study in other EU nations

:34:14. > :34:17.as home students. That's right. Compared to the fees charged to

:34:18. > :34:22.international students, home fees are generally lower or nonexistent?

:34:23. > :34:25.The point about the difference between Europe and the European

:34:26. > :34:27.Union because programmes which have got bigger student programmes are

:34:28. > :34:30.not just... That's an exchange programme? Yes, an exchange

:34:31. > :34:35.programme is not just the European Union. It is the European Continent.

:34:36. > :34:39.So it is countries like Turkey as well, Norway, Iceland, Europe is a

:34:40. > :34:42.great Continent of individual nations with their own history. The

:34:43. > :34:46.European Union is a political construct. Europe...

:34:47. > :34:50.APPLAUSE Europe and exchange and trade and

:34:51. > :34:54.travel existed before there was a European Union... But Stephanie's

:34:55. > :34:57.fees might be higher if Britain is outside the European Union if she

:34:58. > :35:01.wants to go and study at a university abroad. But why would

:35:02. > :35:04.that be because the programmes are decided because they are in the

:35:05. > :35:09.mutual interests. It is the same as trade. It is in our both our

:35:10. > :35:11.interests to - that's why we do it. We have had all these programmes

:35:12. > :35:15.before we were in the European Union and we'll have them when we're not

:35:16. > :35:19.in the European Union just as we have programmes and people study in

:35:20. > :35:24.the United States or Canada... I don't have a lot of money. I'm

:35:25. > :35:28.working class. I have like a ten hour wage. I'm a ten hour contract.

:35:29. > :35:32.Where am I supposed to get the money from? How am I supposed to support

:35:33. > :35:41.myself in other country if it is not going to be treated like home?

:35:42. > :35:45.APPLAUSE But you're making an assumption here that because we're

:35:46. > :35:48.not in the European Union Germany is not going to want German students to

:35:49. > :35:52.come to the UK and we're not going to want to go to study in Germany. I

:35:53. > :35:56.don't think that makes any sense. I think we will have agreement because

:35:57. > :35:59.it is in both our interests to do so I want to make a point because it

:36:00. > :36:03.comes back to what Diane was saying. This is a crucial issue of whether

:36:04. > :36:06.if we're outside the European Union we would need visas to travel. At

:36:07. > :36:10.the moment we have a beneficial system we can go anywhere within the

:36:11. > :36:16.European Union, it is a two-way process. No other country has more

:36:17. > :36:19.of its citizens living and working in other developed countries than

:36:20. > :36:24.Great Britain. Now, if we're not to have visas and Diane you said we

:36:25. > :36:28.wouldn't, to go on holiday or for people to come here, there are 2.5

:36:29. > :36:33.million tourists who come to Scotland every year. How are you

:36:34. > :36:37.going to different ate between the Polish plumber and the Polish

:36:38. > :36:41.tourist? It means surely a system of visas. If you haven't got a system

:36:42. > :36:45.of visas, how are you going to deal with, you're going to be telling

:36:46. > :36:49.people we're going to stop free movement, but not introduce visas,

:36:50. > :36:53.so free movement will be there and unless you put a border and watch

:36:54. > :36:56.towers across the borders between the Republic of Ireland and Northern

:36:57. > :36:59.Ireland, you're going to have people coming across there because it would

:37:00. > :37:01.be an EU country and a non-EU country.

:37:02. > :37:03.That was last Thursday might. Norman Smith has got

:37:04. > :37:17.the facts and figures. We have been in the academia

:37:18. > :37:21.business than any other country. Oxford has been around since 1096.

:37:22. > :37:24.Our universities have been here since medieval times. The argument

:37:25. > :37:29.is do we really need to be part of the European Union for them to

:37:30. > :37:33.prosper? Well, Mr Cameron thinks so. So here is Professor Cameron and his

:37:34. > :37:38.fear is, there will be less funding for our universities if we leave. We

:37:39. > :37:41.get more cash from the EU than any other European country. We get

:37:42. > :37:46.around ?1 billion a year which goes not just to research, but building

:37:47. > :37:50.new campuses. Secondly, Mr Cameron fears there will be less

:37:51. > :37:53.co-operation because if we start putting up barriers maybe academics

:37:54. > :37:57.elsewhere the EU won't be able or won't want to come to British

:37:58. > :38:02.universities and that will have an impact on the research they do and

:38:03. > :38:07.maybe an impact on the calibre and quality of education at British

:38:08. > :38:12.universities. Lastly, studying abroad, maybe that will become

:38:13. > :38:17.harder for British students. Around what, 13,000, every year, at the

:38:18. > :38:21.moment, go and study in other EU universities. If we start imposing

:38:22. > :38:25.tiger controls, maybe they'll retaliate and it will be harder for

:38:26. > :38:29.our students to go and study elsewhere in Europe. As for the

:38:30. > :38:37.universities, what do they think? Well, it is interesting. There seems

:38:38. > :38:43.to be a pretty large consensus amongst many academics that we are

:38:44. > :38:47.off in the EU. 100 vice chancellors said we should stay in. Among them

:38:48. > :38:51.was the vice Chancellor of Cambridge? It is China. It is the

:38:52. > :38:56.growing power of India and it is North America and the United States

:38:57. > :39:00.in particular. That's where our graduates have to compete in the

:39:01. > :39:05.future and that's why I believe being in a wider grouping gives us

:39:06. > :39:11.the best opportunity to remain globally competitive. Now, the

:39:12. > :39:15.Brexit side say hang on a sec, what matters is our universities are

:39:16. > :39:20.global institutions. They're not just competing or dealing with other

:39:21. > :39:24.countries in the EU. They're competing against universities in

:39:25. > :39:29.America, China, and India. They don't have to be confined by the

:39:30. > :39:36.European Union. And so let's just see what their arguments are. Here

:39:37. > :39:39.is Boris Johnson, Professor Johnson, of Eton Towers, what's his argument?

:39:40. > :39:44.Well, his argument is more places for British students. If we're out

:39:45. > :39:48.then we don't have to give so many places to other EU students. Around

:39:49. > :39:53.120,000 come here every year. Those places could actually go to British

:39:54. > :39:57.students. Also clinical trials. We would have more scope in British

:39:58. > :39:59.universities to do the sort of research, the sort of clinical

:40:00. > :40:03.trials we want which are restricted by some of the red tape and

:40:04. > :40:11.regulations imposed by the European Union. Lastly, there would be more

:40:12. > :40:14.cash for funding. The Brexit eers say the EU gives us money, but this

:40:15. > :40:20.is cash we've already given to them and by the way, they say, some of

:40:21. > :40:24.the university budget in the EU gets sievoned off into other areas. Some

:40:25. > :40:29.of it went to help bail out Greece. Their argument is there is nothing

:40:30. > :40:33.to fear about leaving the European Union and when you listen to some

:40:34. > :40:38.academics they say there is no reason we couldn't continue to apply

:40:39. > :40:42.for research funds from the European Union. Have a listen to this

:40:43. > :40:48.academic from the Cardiff Business School. Tunisia is in it, Norway is

:40:49. > :40:54.it in, these are not EU members. Now, why should you think that the

:40:55. > :40:57.EU has a monopoly on academic excellence? The best academics are

:40:58. > :41:00.in the States. They come from all over the world. We have to be open

:41:01. > :41:05.to the rest of the world and not just the European Union. Vic, the

:41:06. > :41:10.argument about universities and the EU is a massive argument because it

:41:11. > :41:15.is not just about students, it is not just about academics. The

:41:16. > :41:19.universities are a massive revenue generator for UK Plc, more than

:41:20. > :41:23.that, you know, we've got ten universities in the top 100 and the

:41:24. > :41:27.rest of the world. British universities are part of the UK

:41:28. > :41:29.brand. So what happens to them is massively important.

:41:30. > :41:33.Thank you very much, Norman. Tom Harwood is a 19-year-old student

:41:34. > :41:35.at Durham University and from Students for Britain,

:41:36. > :41:37.which his campaigning Amy Longland is 21 and studying

:41:38. > :41:41.at Nottingham University and from Students for Europe,

:41:42. > :41:50.which is campaigning for Britain Hello Amy. 17% of students

:41:51. > :41:53.questioned by an international student recruiters said leaving

:41:54. > :41:57.would make British universities more attractive to students. What do you

:41:58. > :42:02.think of that? Well, you know, that's not simply not true. The fact

:42:03. > :42:06.of the matter is, being in Europe is beneficial for British universities.

:42:07. > :42:10.We get funding from the EU and it is not just that, it is the vital

:42:11. > :42:13.framework, the financial framework and the collaboration between

:42:14. > :42:17.researchers and scientists which is why there has been that grass-roots

:42:18. > :42:21.campaign scientists for EU has come out. It has got 100,000 members, it

:42:22. > :42:26.is in favour of staying in the EU. It said look, it is vital for UK

:42:27. > :42:29.research and UK universities that we stay in the EU and for the

:42:30. > :42:33.opportunities for EU students to come here and enrich our, you know,

:42:34. > :42:39.knowledge economy that we have here. That we're lucky to have. Tom, it

:42:40. > :42:43.could, if there is a vote to leave the EU, it could end up being more

:42:44. > :42:47.expensive for British students to study elsewhere in Europe and you

:42:48. > :42:51.put the research funding at risk say the other side? So this is the point

:42:52. > :42:54.we often hear about funding as if we're imaginically getting some EU

:42:55. > :42:58.funding when actually we know we are a net contributor. We put in ?20

:42:59. > :43:04.billion a year to the EU and only get ?10 billion back. So when we

:43:05. > :43:08.look at collaborative funding for example the Horizon 2020 scientific

:43:09. > :43:12.research funding scheme, the EU raided 2 billion euros from that

:43:13. > :43:16.scheme to bail out the euro. The EU is not interested in scientific

:43:17. > :43:19.research. It is not good for our universities because it is hell bent

:43:20. > :43:23.on propping up its own political ambition. What about the point it

:43:24. > :43:26.could end up being more expensive for British students to study in

:43:27. > :43:29.Europe if we are not a member of the EU, because they are treated,

:43:30. > :43:34.wherever you want to study, you're treated as a home student so your

:43:35. > :43:38.fees are cheaper? So the UK has four of the world's top 20 universities,

:43:39. > :43:43.the eurozone has none. Of the 25 top universities in the world, we have

:43:44. > :43:47.six and thures has none. Switzerland which is isn't in the EU has one of

:43:48. > :43:50.them. So really when it comes to academic excellence we are at the

:43:51. > :43:55.top of the table. I'm not knocking that? The EU would be really keen to

:43:56. > :44:00.engage with us and have co-operative schemes. A programme, Turkey... I'm

:44:01. > :44:07.talking about British students wanting to go and study in Germany

:44:08. > :44:12.say, they might charge us the fees that international students are

:44:13. > :44:15.charged iee non-EU students. We have a discriminatory migration policy...

:44:16. > :44:22.Yeah, you're not answering the question. You're not answering the

:44:23. > :44:28.question. This points This comes to the point of it. Where everyone can

:44:29. > :44:31.have a more equal chance to study at not only EU universities, but

:44:32. > :44:34.universities across the world. We need a system that's fair for

:44:35. > :44:38.everyone and has the best and brightest students coming to the UK.

:44:39. > :44:42.Amy that point if Britain votes to leave, actually, you know, countries

:44:43. > :44:47.elsewhere in Europe are going to want to have these arrangements.

:44:48. > :44:50.They are not going to suddenly punish Britain students, are they? I

:44:51. > :44:54.want to pick up what Tom is saying about other countries. It is not

:44:55. > :44:58.either or. It doesn't mean because they are part of Europe we can't

:44:59. > :45:03.have these arrangements, but being in Europe, being part of this

:45:04. > :45:07.scheme, it facilitates students that otherwise couldn't afford to go and

:45:08. > :45:10.study in other EU countries. It facilitates and it provides the

:45:11. > :45:13.funding available for the students which wouldn't necessarily be there.

:45:14. > :45:18.Another thing that's really interesting as well, this is really

:45:19. > :45:21.important, is that the Leave Campaign are advocating for measures

:45:22. > :45:25.on immigration and trying to restrict it. Switzerland is not part

:45:26. > :45:30.of this scheme. And Switzerland, Switzerland was part of it, but it

:45:31. > :45:32.is not part of the EU sorry, but since Switzerland restricted free

:45:33. > :45:35.movement of people, it has been cut from the programme and it has been

:45:36. > :45:40.cut from the EU science programme. So if we were to leave and you're

:45:41. > :45:44.saying yes, they will want to of exchange programmes, but if we try

:45:45. > :45:46.and restrict immigration, we will be cut from the programme. We will be

:45:47. > :45:55.cut... Turkey, Israel, they are not in free

:45:56. > :46:01.movement. They have these programmes. Are opportunities as

:46:02. > :46:02.young people are protected by being in Europe and we need to stay. Thank

:46:03. > :46:07.you. Next Monday, 6th June,

:46:08. > :46:09.we're in Manchester just over It's open to everyone and will take

:46:10. > :46:13.place in our normal airtime If you want to take part and can get

:46:14. > :46:17.to Manchester from wherever you are in the UK, do

:46:18. > :46:19.email victoria@bbc.co.uk to have your chance to quiz senior

:46:20. > :46:36.politicians from the Leave We are expecting a decision any time

:46:37. > :46:41.now on whether the inquest into the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings will

:46:42. > :46:45.reopen. In the last few minutes we can tell you the coroner has said

:46:46. > :46:49.she has received information about the possibility that the authorities

:46:50. > :46:55.had advance warning of the bombings. She says that days before the

:46:56. > :47:00.explosions two men were overheard to say that Birmingham would be bombed

:47:01. > :47:04.next week. She said the remarks were reported to the police but the

:47:05. > :47:09.report was filed away with no evidence that any action was taken.

:47:10. > :47:14.The coroner says this may have been a missed opportunity. Some quite

:47:15. > :47:19.dramatic news from the coroner 's Court in the last few minutes. We

:47:20. > :47:24.are awaiting the decision on whether the coroner will reopen the inquest

:47:25. > :47:27.into the pub bombings. She has told the court that she has received

:47:28. > :47:33.information about the possibility that the authorities back then knew

:47:34. > :47:37.the bombings were going to happen. She said days before the explosions

:47:38. > :47:40.two men were overheard saying that Birmingham would be bombed next

:47:41. > :47:44.week, the remarks were reported to the police but that the reports were

:47:45. > :47:49.filed away with no evidence that any action was taken. As soon as she

:47:50. > :47:52.makes her decision, Phil Mackie will be back.

:47:53. > :47:55.The family of a mentally ill father who killed himself in prison have

:47:56. > :47:57.told this programme his treatment there was "despicable".

:47:58. > :48:00.25-year-old Dean Saunders was taken to HMP Chelmsford in December,

:48:01. > :48:09.after injuring relatives who tried to stop him stabbing himself.

:48:10. > :48:10.He'd been charged with attempted murder.

:48:11. > :48:16.His father Mark Saunders told us, with his mental health problems,

:48:17. > :48:24.prison was never the right place for Dean.

:48:25. > :48:31.Initially, from the custody, he went to the magistrates court and was

:48:32. > :48:39.sent to Chelmsford for Rimando. The plan was he would get properly

:48:40. > :48:43.assessed. -- remand. He was taken to Chelmsford prison hospital and went

:48:44. > :48:47.straight into the hospital. Information came over from the

:48:48. > :48:53.custody suite that he had tried to take his own life and he admitted to

:48:54. > :48:58.the police that he would take his own life when he had the chance.

:48:59. > :49:05.Chelmsford prison put him on constant suicide watch. That was for

:49:06. > :49:14.the weekend. On Monday morning, it seems like a handover time, he was

:49:15. > :49:19.taken off. Their normal protocol would be to go from constant to five

:49:20. > :49:27.minutes, ten minutes, 15 minutes, but the decision was to go straight

:49:28. > :49:30.from constant to every half an hour. Those half and our checks are not

:49:31. > :49:35.even monitored, they are not documented. You do not even know how

:49:36. > :49:38.long it is before he gets visited. It could be earlier, could be later.

:49:39. > :49:41.Over the last three years, suicides in prisons in England

:49:42. > :49:45.Last year, at least 89 inmates took their own lives -

:49:46. > :49:50.The Prison and Probation Service has highlighted serious failings

:49:51. > :49:54.on the part of the jail - but who or what is to blame

:49:55. > :49:57.Let's talk now to Colin Newgent, who is a former

:49:58. > :50:02.of the Howard League for Penal Reform, Frances Crook.

:50:03. > :50:04.And Steve Gillan, who is the Secretary General

:50:05. > :50:20.Frances Crook, what do cases like Dean Saunders Telus about inmates

:50:21. > :50:24.with mental health problems? As you said, suicides are a real problem in

:50:25. > :50:29.prisons. Somebody takes their own lives every four days. An

:50:30. > :50:35.18-year-old took his own life recently. Six women this year. It is

:50:36. > :50:40.a real problem. It is a result of gross overcrowding, understaffing,

:50:41. > :50:45.under resourcing, and so people with mental health problems, it is made

:50:46. > :50:48.much worse. Also, because prison conditions are so terrible,

:50:49. > :50:52.overcrowding is so bad, people are sharing cells with rats and

:50:53. > :50:59.cockroaches. The prison system is pretty much like it was in the 18th

:51:00. > :51:03.century. People are going quite robust, their mental health

:51:04. > :51:09.deteriorates quite rapidly. The trouble is that the prisons get

:51:10. > :51:15.blamed when things go wrong. But actually the chain goes back before

:51:16. > :51:20.that. Magistrates sending people to prison on remand, awaiting trial.

:51:21. > :51:26.70% will not get a prison sentence. Many are not guilty of any crime.

:51:27. > :51:30.They are also sending people to prison for short periods of time,

:51:31. > :51:36.people who are beggars, on the streets. There is a real problem

:51:37. > :51:41.with the use of prison. Steve, do you recognise the description from

:51:42. > :51:50.Frances Crook of the prison Service? You agree with it? Yes, and my trade

:51:51. > :51:55.union has been saying for time. We are in crisis but politicians fail

:51:56. > :52:00.to recognise that. We gave evidence to the review on suicide in prisons.

:52:01. > :52:04.They can have all the instructions going but if it is not resourced

:52:05. > :52:08.properly, there is little prison officers can do. Take Chelmsford,

:52:09. > :52:13.for example, they have cut the staffing numbers there since 2010 by

:52:14. > :52:17.more than 30%. It does not give prison officers the time to do the

:52:18. > :52:23.basics of the job, which is to actually talk to prisoners. When I

:52:24. > :52:27.talked -- work that Chelmsford in the 1990s, I had the time to sit,

:52:28. > :52:33.and I knew the prisoners, I knew them by name. 20 years later, things

:52:34. > :52:37.have changed dramatically. Prison officers do not get the time. They

:52:38. > :52:42.have not got the resources, they have not got the equipment to deal

:52:43. > :52:46.with the very basics. I think deaths in custody in prisons are a sad

:52:47. > :52:52.indictment on society. Colin, you were an inmate in

:52:53. > :52:55.Chelmsford. In terms of the way people with mental health issues

:52:56. > :53:03.were treated, were approached, what did you see to with the staff, they

:53:04. > :53:12.don't get trained how to look after them. The inmates are just loners. A

:53:13. > :53:16.lot of them in the same category. There are 120 lights -- lads out on

:53:17. > :53:22.the wings and there are maybe only two or three staff to answer their

:53:23. > :53:25.questions in a couple of hours. Some people say they cannot be bothered

:53:26. > :53:32.and they have not got time. They have not got the re-sources. And it

:53:33. > :53:39.is frustrating, the same people coming to them all the time. As

:53:40. > :53:46.Steve says, years ago, the officers used to talk to you. They would see

:53:47. > :53:52.someone who was down for a change in appearance. Now they don't have the

:53:53. > :53:58.time or the training. Frances, when we were talking to Mark Saunders

:53:59. > :54:02.about the death of his son, you alluded to this area, his son should

:54:03. > :54:08.never have been there. But he was assessed and the assessment reached

:54:09. > :54:13.a non-definitive conclusion. So professionals have looked at his

:54:14. > :54:16.mental health state and decided, actually, we're not sure if he needs

:54:17. > :54:20.to be sectioned, which is what his father thinks it should have

:54:21. > :54:23.happened. He may still be alive today, we win them -- we will never

:54:24. > :54:31.know. What needs to happen at that stage? Something needs to be done at

:54:32. > :54:37.every stage, the police station, the forensics mental health services,

:54:38. > :54:41.the court decision about what to do. And then the prison has to deal with

:54:42. > :54:44.someone sent there. The trouble is when somebody dies like Dean did,

:54:45. > :54:48.there will be an investigation but it will only look at the prison. It

:54:49. > :54:52.will not look at the decision-making that led to him going to prison in

:54:53. > :54:58.the first place. All the training that you talked about in the police

:54:59. > :55:02.station decision, the magistrate, are not investigated, they are not

:55:03. > :55:06.held responsible. That should change. I am going to pause for a

:55:07. > :55:11.second to bring viewers this news about the Birmingham pub bombings.

:55:12. > :55:13.We are awaiting a coroner to make a decision on whether fresh inquests

:55:14. > :55:21.will take place into the deaths of the people killed in that explosion

:55:22. > :55:24.-- those explosions in 1974. The senior coroner has ordered fresh

:55:25. > :55:31.inquests into the deaths of 21 people killed in 1974 in the

:55:32. > :55:37.Birmingham pub bombings. Phil Mackie is outside the court. Some more

:55:38. > :55:42.detail, Phil? Yes, ultimately let's concentrate on the conclusion of

:55:43. > :55:46.Louise Hunt, which has just come in. She had gone through the various

:55:47. > :55:51.evidential problems they will have, she has talked about the concerns

:55:52. > :55:55.about whether the authorities were protecting an informant. She says

:55:56. > :55:58.there is no evidence to suggest that, whether there were delays to

:55:59. > :56:03.responding to the bombs. She said there was nothing to say that. She

:56:04. > :56:06.did say there was a wealth of evidence still available which had

:56:07. > :56:11.never been seen before. She thinks it is possible to ascertain how the

:56:12. > :56:15.21 came to their deaths and she is the view that the evidence does now

:56:16. > :56:20.needs to be heard publicly. She will concentrate very much on a couple of

:56:21. > :56:25.key parts of this case, especially two things she revealed today, that

:56:26. > :56:31.there were advance warnings about potential bomb attacks in Birmingham

:56:32. > :56:35.in November, one on November nine, when the police were informed there

:56:36. > :56:38.could be an attack in Birmingham within a week. And it was not acted

:56:39. > :56:44.upon. And another occasion on the day of the bombings when a man was

:56:45. > :56:47.stating -- sitting in a pub in starts the in Birmingham, he

:56:48. > :56:51.overheard men with Irish accents plotting a bomb attack, he went to

:56:52. > :56:54.the police and they did not act on it. Those are the key thing is that

:56:55. > :57:00.the inquest will have to focus on. It will look at the emergency

:57:01. > :57:05.service's response and whether there was an IRA informant. It will take

:57:06. > :57:13.some time for them to get all of the bits and pieces together to be able

:57:14. > :57:18.to hear, to set the inquest. For instance, at the last hearing before

:57:19. > :57:20.this, there was a lawyer here representing the government. The

:57:21. > :57:24.Ministry of Defence, the Foreign Ministry and the secret services,

:57:25. > :57:29.who have been asked to give all of the information they have for the 12

:57:30. > :57:33.month period around 1974. They have said it will take at least three

:57:34. > :57:37.months to go back through the archives and submitted. We could be

:57:38. > :57:41.looking at a date sometime next year before the inquests can be held. In

:57:42. > :57:47.the meantime there will be further hearings to submit various, from the

:57:48. > :57:52.various interested parties about how it shall proceed. I was looking at

:57:53. > :57:57.the families and the survivors sitting in court as Louise Hunt gave

:57:58. > :58:01.the ruling. The ruling they have been desperate for for so long.

:58:02. > :58:06.There was no obvious reaction. They said they're almost stunned to hear

:58:07. > :58:10.this as come. We are expecting them to come out soon and we will get a

:58:11. > :58:16.more detailed reaction then. Much more reaction to come on BBC News

:58:17. > :58:18.through the day. Apologies for our slightly truncated conversation.

:58:19. > :58:22.Thank you for coming in the programme. I know you will

:58:23. > :58:25.understand why. Tomorrow we look at how the extension of the

:58:26. > :58:30.government's Right to Buy scheme could work. Had a good day. -- have