03/06/2016

:00:00. > :00:10.Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:11. > :00:21.David Cameron says he understands why people are worried

:00:22. > :00:23.about immigration, but says it would be madness to try

:00:24. > :00:32.to bring the numbers down by voting to leave the EU.

:00:33. > :00:39.We should welcome the fact that people want to come to our country,

:00:40. > :00:42.work hard, make a contribution, pay into our system, but they ought to

:00:43. > :00:44.pay in before they get out, and that is what I have secured. No more

:00:45. > :00:47.something for nothing. What really happened

:00:48. > :00:49.at Deepcut barracks in Surrey? This morning a coroner

:00:50. > :00:52.will give his verdict in the case of Private Cheryl James,

:00:53. > :00:54.who died there from a bullet We'll hear from the mother

:00:55. > :00:57.of another soldier who's certain her son's death

:00:58. > :01:10.was not suicide. The new inquest can make people come

:01:11. > :01:14.into court, answer questions, and maybe we will get near the truth of

:01:15. > :01:17.what happened to our children. All we have asked for from the beginning

:01:18. > :01:20.is the truth. We just want to know the truth and give these kids just

:01:21. > :01:29.this. A week after being abandoned by his

:01:30. > :01:34.parents on a mountain in Japan, a seven-year-old boy has been found

:01:35. > :01:36.alive. He was cold and hungry, but otherwise in good health. We will

:01:37. > :01:45.get reaction from Japan. Do get in touch this morning

:01:46. > :01:54.if you watched the Cameron Europe Are you any closer to

:01:55. > :02:00.deciding how to vote? We'll be talking to a panel

:02:01. > :02:04.of undecided voters a little later, And if you text, you will be charged

:02:05. > :02:14.at the standard network rate. David Cameron has said the UK can

:02:15. > :02:20.control immigration even if it He claimed that it would be madness

:02:21. > :02:26.to try to manage the situation The Prime Minister was speaking

:02:27. > :02:32.at his first major TV event of the referendum campaign,

:02:33. > :02:36.during which he was accused David Cameron's political fate

:02:37. > :02:46.rests on this referendum, And in his first live TV session,

:02:47. > :02:53.you could see the stakes were high. He was quizzed on immigration

:02:54. > :02:56.and the challenge of controlling But the Prime Minister kept

:02:57. > :03:03.returning to his preferred theme. Now, if you want to get out

:03:04. > :03:07.of the single market, which is what the Leave campaign

:03:08. > :03:10.want to do, you will fundamentally The audience had some tough

:03:11. > :03:15.questions, accusing David Cameron of scaremongering about life outside

:03:16. > :03:20.the EU, and that's not all. I've seen you interrupt many

:03:21. > :03:22.people beforehand. That is not answering

:03:23. > :03:27.the question, OK? I was going to do Turkey,

:03:28. > :03:30.if you want me to do Turkey. I'm an English literature student,

:03:31. > :03:33.I know waffling when I see it, OK? There is no prospect of Turkey

:03:34. > :03:38.joining the EU in decades. At this rate, they will join

:03:39. > :03:40.in the year 3000. Remain supporters thought

:03:41. > :03:43.the Prime Minister won on key arguments, but rivals

:03:44. > :03:46.from the Leave camp said With all that stuff

:03:47. > :03:50.about if we leave the European Union it induces the likelihood of war,

:03:51. > :03:54.et cetera, the audience I thought that was the most telling

:03:55. > :03:59.bit, because they were fed up with the scaremongering,

:04:00. > :04:01.and there were accusations The spin kicked in as soon

:04:02. > :04:06.as it was finished, with each side convinced their case was more

:04:07. > :04:09.compelling, but with three weeks to go, they know the real challenge

:04:10. > :04:15.is persuading the public. Tonight will be the turn

:04:16. > :04:18.of Vote Leave to try. They hope their arguments

:04:19. > :04:33.will resonate beyond the spin room. I have a suspicion that Downing

:04:34. > :04:38.Street will be licking their wounds after last night's roughhouse. But

:04:39. > :04:42.how far do you think they will be worried about the focus on

:04:43. > :04:46.immigration? There are two issues that count in this campaign, as we

:04:47. > :04:55.stare the final three weeks in the face. Any Gration and the economy.

:04:56. > :05:01.The Remain camp thinks the economy is its strong card. David Cameron

:05:02. > :05:06.was happily reciting the risks again last night. But the Leave can think

:05:07. > :05:09.immigration is their trunk card. David Cameron tried to manoeuvre the

:05:10. > :05:14.debate back on to economic grounds when he was pressed on immigration

:05:15. > :05:19.hearing last night's event, but will that satisfy people? We know

:05:20. > :05:22.immigration is of great concern, and it might come down to who you

:05:23. > :05:27.believe about what matters to you most. We have to watch these

:05:28. > :05:34.debates, we cannot turn over and watch the football. Does any of this

:05:35. > :05:39.change anything? They can be crucial. If you cast your mind back

:05:40. > :05:43.to 2010, Nick Clegg stood up in the leader debates in the general

:05:44. > :05:45.election, many people credit his performance with putting the Liberal

:05:46. > :05:50.Democrats in the Coalition Government. Last night was not that

:05:51. > :05:55.pivotal moment, there were a key votes lost and one on either side,

:05:56. > :05:58.David Cameron got a grilling, but he is familiar with the format and he

:05:59. > :06:05.held his own. A challenge for the campaign, it is engaging public in

:06:06. > :06:10.the debate. I don't think events like last night can hurt, unless the

:06:11. > :06:11.politicians put a button wrong, when they can do damage.

:06:12. > :06:14.And coming up later on BBC Newsroom Live on the BBC

:06:15. > :06:17.News Channel, the Ukip migration and financial-affairs spokesperson

:06:18. > :06:22.and MEP Steven Wolfe, who wants Britain to leave the EU,

:06:23. > :06:24.will be answering your questions at 12:30pm.

:06:25. > :06:28.You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis,

:06:29. > :06:37.Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:38. > :06:44.A group of MPs has warned that the public will question

:06:45. > :06:47.the point of remaining in the European Union

:06:48. > :06:52.if the Government can't deport criminals from other EU countries.

:06:53. > :06:54.The Home Affairs Committee said Poland, Ireland and Romania

:06:55. > :07:05.The removal of foreign prisoners from the UK has been a contentious

:07:06. > :07:09.MPs believe foreign nationals should be removed quickly at the end

:07:10. > :07:12.of their sentence or even during their sentence if they can

:07:13. > :07:16.serve the remaining time in prison in their home country.

:07:17. > :07:21.Close to 6,000 convicted criminals are still living in Britain,

:07:22. > :07:24.even after their release from prison.

:07:25. > :07:28.We are very concerned first of all at the numbers in prison,

:07:29. > :07:31.11.5% of the population, and the numbers who remain

:07:32. > :07:37.These are people who should have left the country by now

:07:38. > :07:42.Almost 50% have been here for more than two years.

:07:43. > :07:44.Today, the Home Affairs Committee expressed its particular

:07:45. > :07:49.frustration at the number of EU prisoners in the UK.

:07:50. > :07:54.The three nationalities with the highest number

:07:55. > :07:56.of offenders are Poland, with 983, Ireland, with 764,

:07:57. > :08:03.The MP said one advantage of being in the EU should be

:08:04. > :08:07.the easy removal of criminals to other member countries

:08:08. > :08:10.and the clear inefficiencies in the system would lead

:08:11. > :08:16.to the public to question the point of the UK remaining

:08:17. > :08:19.The Home Office said that three times more European criminals

:08:20. > :08:22.were being removed compared to five years ago and it expected

:08:23. > :08:25.significant numbers of Polish prisoners to be transferred before

:08:26. > :08:33.The verdict on a new inquest into the death of a young soldier

:08:34. > :08:37.found shot at Deepcut barracks in Surrey will be delivered today.

:08:38. > :08:39.Private Cheryl James, who was 18 years old,

:08:40. > :08:42.was one of four recruits who died at the barracks

:08:43. > :08:47.The inquest, which is the second into her death, began

:08:48. > :08:55.in February and has heard from more than 100 witnesses.

:08:56. > :08:57.He was missing for six days in a mountainous

:08:58. > :08:59.region of northern Japan, but now seven-year-old

:09:00. > :09:01.Yamato Tanooka has been reunited with his parents.

:09:02. > :09:03.The boy was found in an army training base about four kilometres

:09:04. > :09:07.from the roadside where his parents had left him as a punishment

:09:08. > :09:17.It was a manhunt which involved more than 200 soldiers,

:09:18. > :09:25.Seven-year-old Yamato Tanooka was abandoned by his parents last

:09:26. > :09:31.Saturday in a densely-forested area on the northern island of Hokkaido.

:09:32. > :09:36.It was a punishment for throwing stones at people and cars.

:09:37. > :09:41.Nearly a week later, as many people were starting to give up,

:09:42. > :09:46.He had managed to walk to a military training base,

:09:47. > :09:53.TRANSLATION: One of our soldiers was preparing for drills

:09:54. > :09:57.and unlocked the door of the building, and there he was.

:09:58. > :10:01.When he asked, "Are you Yamato?," the boy said yes.

:10:02. > :10:05.For his father, it had been an agonising week worrying

:10:06. > :10:11.about his son while being criticised for what many saw as a punishment

:10:12. > :10:19.TRANSLATION: My excessive behaviour caused such pain to my son.

:10:20. > :10:22.I deeply apologise for the burden caused to the people involved

:10:23. > :10:27.in the search, and the school faculty.

:10:28. > :10:32.With many accusing the parents of neglect or even child abuse,

:10:33. > :10:36.the police may take action against them.

:10:37. > :10:44.But for now, it is a happy ending that not many had expected.

:10:45. > :10:46.Paris is on a high state of alert this morning,

:10:47. > :10:49.with floodwaters expected to peak on the River Seine

:10:50. > :10:53.The city council has closed a number of roads and bridges,

:10:54. > :10:56.while the Louvre and Orsay museums have moved artworks stored

:10:57. > :11:00.The flooding across France and Germany has left at least ten

:11:01. > :11:10.people dead and forced thousands from their homes.

:11:11. > :11:21.I understand that the president is going to declare a natural disaster?

:11:22. > :11:25.He is going to declare a natural state of catastrophe for the areas

:11:26. > :11:28.which have been hit, and insurance related measure, allowing people to

:11:29. > :11:34.claim money back more easily. Here the focus is on the river, which is

:11:35. > :11:38.good to doing to rise, it has become the latest tourist attraction,

:11:39. > :11:44.because it is quite dramatic. All of the Riverside roads have been shut

:11:45. > :11:48.off, the famous barges and boats that are moored alongside floating

:11:49. > :11:52.above their normal level. It is quite dramatic but I don't think it

:11:53. > :11:57.is dangerous. It will peak at six metres above its normal level, which

:11:58. > :12:03.sounds a lot, but it is a lot below the famous flood of 1910, which

:12:04. > :12:07.everybody kind of remembers, when it was up at eight metres, and it

:12:08. > :12:12.poured into surrounding streets. It will peak at six metres at around

:12:13. > :12:18.lunchtime, because of the head of water coming down from further

:12:19. > :12:22.upstream. We have reported on the problems in the Department upstream.

:12:23. > :12:27.The water is coming through, causing a big rush over the next few hours.

:12:28. > :12:32.The museums are both shot so that people can move artworks out of the

:12:33. > :12:35.basement. The hope is that by this evening and tomorrow the head of

:12:36. > :12:36.water will have passed through on its way to the sea and the city can

:12:37. > :12:47.breathe again. News just coming in, a rescue is

:12:48. > :12:54.under way in the Mediterranean, south of Crete, after a boat filled

:12:55. > :12:57.with migrants began thinking. Greek authorities say the 250 people have

:12:58. > :13:01.been rescued from the semi-sunken vessel so far, but it is not yet

:13:02. > :13:06.known how many people the boat is carrying or where it is from.

:13:07. > :13:08.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:13:09. > :13:12.Later we'll have more reaction to the extraordinary story

:13:13. > :13:14.of the Japanese boy left in the woods by his

:13:15. > :13:18.We'll find out more about how he was found and ask if his parents

:13:19. > :13:21.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

:13:22. > :13:28.And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:13:29. > :13:32.Hugh Ferris has the sport, with the start of Euro 2016

:13:33. > :13:41.It may well have prompted more questions than given answers,

:13:42. > :13:44.but England did at least win their final warm-up game

:13:45. > :13:47.for Euro 2016 to head to France on the back of three in a row.

:13:48. > :13:49.They beat Portugal 1-0 at Wembley after the visitors

:13:50. > :13:54.Now, you don't often get a red card in a friendly,

:13:55. > :13:56.but Bruno Alves couldn't really argue with this.

:13:57. > :14:01.The defender sent off in the first half.

:14:02. > :14:03.And it was a defender who eventually made them pay.

:14:04. > :14:06.Chris Smalling heading in from Raheem Sterling late

:14:07. > :14:10.on after what was frankly a disappointing performance,

:14:11. > :14:17.and one that perhaps helps Roy Hodgson to manage expectations.

:14:18. > :14:28.We will go to France recently -- reasonably confident that we can

:14:29. > :14:31.keep this going. And also knowing full well that we are not the

:14:32. > :14:36.finished article. I don't know how many teams are the finished article.

:14:37. > :14:41.That is also quite a good thing, occurs had we won the three games by

:14:42. > :14:45.four goals to nil, all people would say is, you have got to win it now.

:14:46. > :14:48.With a young team, they won't put too much pressure on them.

:14:49. > :14:50.So, England head to France on Monday having completed

:14:51. > :14:53.Northern Ireland and Wales still have a game to go.

:14:54. > :14:55.Northern Ireland play their final friendly against Slovakia

:14:56. > :14:57.on Saturday, and Wales' last match before the Euros

:14:58. > :15:01.Heather Knight has been appointed as new captain of the England

:15:02. > :15:03.women's cricket team following the retirement

:15:04. > :15:07.Knight has been the vice captain for nearly two years,

:15:08. > :15:09.and will lead a much-changed side after senior player Lydia Greenway

:15:10. > :15:12.also retired and wicketkeeper Sarah Taylor decided to take

:15:13. > :15:20.Anya Shrubsole is the new vice captain.

:15:21. > :15:23.Andy Murray will attempt to reach his first French Open final,

:15:24. > :15:27.but he'll have to beat the reigning champion to do it.

:15:28. > :15:30.The British number one faces Stan Wawrinka in the semi finals

:15:31. > :15:41.He is obviously playing great tennis here the last couple of years,

:15:42. > :15:47.especially. But, yeah, we haven't played each other much the last few

:15:48. > :15:50.years. You know, that was indoors at the O2 last time we played. So, a

:15:51. > :15:54.lot's changed since then. And, you may know in golf

:15:55. > :15:56.when a player hits a wayward Well, there's a good reason

:15:57. > :16:00.for it, so that this This is a Phil Mickelson tee

:16:01. > :16:03.shot during the first round of the Memorial tournament

:16:04. > :16:06.in Ohio, and that is the head Mickelson was understandably

:16:07. > :16:13.apologetic and handed over a signed glove,

:16:14. > :16:16.and went on to make a birdie Mickelson apparently

:16:17. > :16:19.said if the marshal's head was a touch softer,

:16:20. > :16:21.his shot would have I am beginning to think they should

:16:22. > :16:36.wear crash helmets! Private Cheryl James,

:16:37. > :16:38.an 18-year-old from north Wales, was found dead at Deepcut barracks

:16:39. > :16:43.in Surrey in 1995. She died from a bullet

:16:44. > :16:47.wound to the head. Cheryl was one of four recruits

:16:48. > :16:50.to die at the base in seven years. The Army insists the deaths were all

:16:51. > :16:53.suicides, but the families disagree. In a moment we'll hear

:16:54. > :16:57.from the mother of another of the four, Private Geoff Gray,

:16:58. > :17:00.but first here is a reminder of the events that led

:17:01. > :17:12.to today's inquest. In 1995, Private Cheryl Jones was

:17:13. > :17:15.found dead in woodland near Deepcut She was 18 and died

:17:16. > :17:23.of a bullet to the head. Cheryl was very bright,

:17:24. > :17:26.from an early age. She was always bubbly, centre of

:17:27. > :17:29.attention. She was impossible to tell off

:17:30. > :17:35.from a very early age, until she Between 1995 and 2002,

:17:36. > :17:44.three other soldiers also died The deaths came amid claims of abuse

:17:45. > :17:50.and bullying. And another 17-year-old,

:17:51. > :18:04.James Collinson. The Army treated all the deaths

:18:05. > :18:06.as suicide, but the families The current inquest is looking into

:18:07. > :18:16.Private James' death. The previous one, in 1995,

:18:17. > :18:23.returned an open verdict. That is when the cause of death

:18:24. > :18:26.could not be established. From 2002 and 2003, a police

:18:27. > :18:28.investigation into the four deaths said there was no

:18:29. > :18:35.evidence of a crime. However, a later review of the

:18:36. > :18:37.investigation criticised Surrey Police for not fully

:18:38. > :18:43.investigating the death. Three years later,

:18:44. > :18:46.a review by a senior lawyer concluded all four deaths

:18:47. > :18:48.were probably self-inflicted. Then two years ago, the High Court

:18:49. > :18:50.ruled the first investigation into Private James'

:18:51. > :18:56.death was flawed. A second inquest was ordered

:18:57. > :18:58.and that is the verdict The coroner looking into the death

:18:59. > :19:02.has heard It will focus on the state

:19:03. > :19:11.of her mental health at the time. And he will also look at a claim of

:19:12. > :19:23.attempted rape. Six years after the death

:19:24. > :19:28.of Cheryl James, in 2001, 17-year-old Private Geoff Gray

:19:29. > :19:30.was also found dead He had two gunshot wounds

:19:31. > :19:34.to the head. The original inquest

:19:35. > :19:41.recorded an open verdict. Since then, for the last 14

:19:42. > :19:45.years his parents have been fighting a campaign for not only a second

:19:46. > :19:48.inquest into his death, but a public inquiry

:19:49. > :19:53.into the events at Deepcut. Just before we came on air,

:19:54. > :19:56.Private Gray's mum Diane joined me, before heading off to Cheryl James'

:19:57. > :20:10.inquest in Surrey. Diane, this is clearly a huge day

:20:11. > :20:15.for you. But just give us a sense first of all about Geoff, the sort

:20:16. > :20:22.of boy he was, why he joined the Army, what he was hoping for in the

:20:23. > :20:27.Army. He really - he loved the Army. He went by himself and he joined up

:20:28. > :20:31.for the Army. He had no hesitation with it, if that's what he wanted to

:20:32. > :20:34.do we were happy with it and he went himself and sorted things out and

:20:35. > :20:39.then took his father with him to sign him up. He was quite happy. Had

:20:40. > :20:44.it always been an ambition of his to become a soldier? I don't think it

:20:45. > :20:48.was. From being small he enjoyed being in the Scouts and he followed

:20:49. > :20:52.the Scouts all the way through. He did like some sort of regime and

:20:53. > :20:57.discipline type of thing. I think what spurred him on the most was

:20:58. > :21:03.because when he was 15 he went to a park and done a run and he became

:21:04. > :21:05.east London's fastest man at 100 metres with over 12 seconds and

:21:06. > :21:09.somebody spotted him from the Army and said we can help you make a

:21:10. > :21:15.career of this and I think that put the seed into his head and started

:21:16. > :21:21.him thinking about joining the Armiment So here you have a

:21:22. > :21:25.17-year-old boy in the Army. Now, did you get any impression from him

:21:26. > :21:29.that he was being bullied or he was uncomfortable with the culture, was

:21:30. > :21:35.there anything that gave you a sense that this is all going wrong? No,

:21:36. > :21:39.none whatsoever. Absolutely nothing. He was quite an open person. If he

:21:40. > :21:42.had a problem we would talk about his problems. We always - a very

:21:43. > :21:47.close family and we discussed things like that. If anybody had anything

:21:48. > :21:52.wanted to say, they would come out and say it, very blunt. He would say

:21:53. > :21:59.what he thought. He didn't hide his feelings. So when you learned of his

:22:00. > :22:02.death, I mean, that must have been utterly devastating, but more than

:22:03. > :22:09.that, did you ever believe that he had taken his own life? Not for one

:22:10. > :22:17.moment. I think every parent knows their child and you just know, hang

:22:18. > :22:21.on, that's out of the blue. Just, I couldn't comprehend it. It was just

:22:22. > :22:25.something, like, what? Total shock to begin with and, hang on, you are

:22:26. > :22:30.trying to tell me he has done it himself? And it was, you know... I

:22:31. > :22:38.was told three shots were heard at 1. 15 this morning and Geoff was

:22:39. > :22:43.found dead. Did he miss twice? I was unaware then that he had been shot

:22:44. > :22:52.twice. It was just out of the blue... What was the sort of initial

:22:53. > :22:56.response from the military? Um... They just told us that, you know,

:22:57. > :23:00.try and keep it quiet. He has committed suicide. Don't put shame

:23:01. > :23:11.on the family. You don't want to put shame on the family? Yeah. So that

:23:12. > :23:15.to me was a... Did you ever think possibly this could be correct or

:23:16. > :23:19.no, this is not believable? From the beginning I thought it's not

:23:20. > :23:24.believable. But then over time I began to think, well, you know,

:23:25. > :23:30.maybe it is right. Maybe it is what they're telling us, it's suicide.

:23:31. > :23:33.But the more I found things out, the more it became more bizarre and the

:23:34. > :23:38.more proof I was getting that it wasn't suicide. Let's just talk

:23:39. > :23:42.through the mechanics of who actually carried out the

:23:43. > :23:49.investigation and what did they do? Originally the coroner's office was

:23:50. > :23:55.first on the scene. She took some things. Then Surrey Police arrived.

:23:56. > :23:59.They didn't do much investigation. I can remember a few days after we

:24:00. > :24:04.were told about his death I phoned Surrey Police and said I want to

:24:05. > :24:08.speak about my son who died at Deepcut and they gave me a total

:24:09. > :24:12.different name. I said, no, my son's called Geoff. Again they gave me a

:24:13. > :24:17.different name. So that raised doubts. Hang on, has there been a

:24:18. > :24:22.death before Geoff, which there had been because Geoff had already told

:24:23. > :24:26.me that a boy had died a few weeks before him. Again they were took to

:24:27. > :24:29.a room and he said, we were told, the boy committed suicide. But I

:24:30. > :24:35.never heard anything more from Geoff about that. But I did later find out

:24:36. > :24:41.that, through Surrey Police, the boy had taken an overdose. What did you

:24:42. > :24:46.think was going on, did you think it was incompetence? Yet I didn't think

:24:47. > :24:50.anything at the time, because I was thinking well, the police will do

:24:51. > :24:56.their investigations, you know, we trust the police, we think that they

:24:57. > :24:59.are going to do, maybe too much CSI or something, but we trust the

:25:00. > :25:02.police and think they're going to do a thorough investigation and that's

:25:03. > :25:05.what I thought at the time. I thought they would do a thorough

:25:06. > :25:09.investigation. What do you think now, because obviously there's been

:25:10. > :25:13.this review by the Cornwall Police of what the Surrey Police

:25:14. > :25:18.investigated and their work which had been highly critical, when you

:25:19. > :25:23.look at that what is your assessment of what was going on? Devon and

:25:24. > :25:28.Cornwall look at Surrey Police's investigation and they picked up a

:25:29. > :25:31.lot of flaws from Surrey Police. They found out they were supposed to

:25:32. > :25:35.follow what's called the murder manual and they didn't. All they

:25:36. > :25:39.looked at was suicide, which they shouldn't have. They... Their

:25:40. > :25:43.mindset was? Suicide from the very beginning. It shouldn't have been.

:25:44. > :25:48.It should have been open and they should have looked at different

:25:49. > :25:52.aspects and different scenarios and certain things, you know, they

:25:53. > :25:57.should have looked and gone from murder, down to suicide. But they

:25:58. > :26:01.didn't. They started at suicide and made everything fit into suicide.

:26:02. > :26:05.What I am interested in is whether you think they were just not up to

:26:06. > :26:09.the job, they had already decided it was suicide or whether you think

:26:10. > :26:16.there was something else going on here? We have received documents

:26:17. > :26:22.from Surrey Police, at the original inquest we had about 20 pages of

:26:23. > :26:25.papers before we went in. This time we have 20,000 documents from the

:26:26. > :26:30.reinvestigation. Within them documents we can find out that

:26:31. > :26:34.Surrey Police have been, not incompetent, they've had the mindset

:26:35. > :26:38.of suicide, they've followed suicide, and there is things in

:26:39. > :26:42.there they've never told us, we had to find out ourselves. Maybe, I

:26:43. > :26:47.don't know, maybe I can say it's a cover-up, I don't know. Why do you

:26:48. > :26:51.say that? Because it's been sue from the very beginning with the Surrey

:26:52. > :26:55.Police. -- suicide. If it is suicide, why? What would be their

:26:56. > :26:59.motivation to cover up? I have no idea. That's something I can't

:27:00. > :27:02.understand, I never can understand that, I don't know why. And why

:27:03. > :27:07.they've been told to make it look like a suicide. I have no idea. Do

:27:08. > :27:11.you suspect it may be because of the bad publicity for the Army, that

:27:12. > :27:16.they wanted to douse that down, is that part of it? No idea. I really,

:27:17. > :27:21.really, don't know. At first we think this is a big cover-up. But

:27:22. > :27:27.the more we have looked into it and the more information we are getting

:27:28. > :27:32.from it, it's just... Bizarre and why would Surrey Police want to make

:27:33. > :27:34.it look like a suicide? There was a lot of collaboration going on with

:27:35. > :27:39.the Army at the time. Why did they have to do that? Why were they going

:27:40. > :27:42.to dinners with the police and Army getting together and having dinners

:27:43. > :27:48.and things, why was there a need for that? Your son is one of four. Yeah.

:27:49. > :27:52.How did you get involved with the other families and what was the sort

:27:53. > :27:56.of - how did you work together, or did you work together? When Geoff

:27:57. > :28:00.died we let the police get on with their investigations. Six months

:28:01. > :28:05.later, there was a little piece in the newspaper saying that another

:28:06. > :28:09.person had been shot at Deepcut. So I phoned the coroner's officer and I

:28:10. > :28:17.asked her, will you pass my number on to the parents. Later on that day

:28:18. > :28:20.I received a phone call from the parents of James Collinson and said

:28:21. > :28:23.what have you been told. She said we have been told he committed suicide.

:28:24. > :28:29.I said, do you believe that? She said, no. I said believe what's in

:28:30. > :28:32.your heart. One thing I will say, please whatever you do, do not get

:28:33. > :28:42.him cremated because one day you will need to go back and look at him

:28:43. > :28:45.again, which it was true. He did have to be exhumez and they did find

:28:46. > :28:50.evidence that will come to light later. Today we have the inquest

:28:51. > :28:55.into Cheryls James. Previously an open verdict. What do you hope for

:28:56. > :29:01.from this inquest? From the inquest I am hoping that it will open the

:29:02. > :29:06.doors for the other families to have a new inquest because it sets a

:29:07. > :29:13.precedent so that we can have a new inquest and then when we have the

:29:14. > :29:17.new inquest more things will come to light because it's - because you can

:29:18. > :29:21.bring people to bring evidence. At the time there was a review. This

:29:22. > :29:24.was ordered by the Labour Government? That's right. I think

:29:25. > :29:28.that was to try to keep us quiet because we have been asking for a

:29:29. > :29:33.public inquiry all the way along and keep getting turned down. Rather

:29:34. > :29:38.than do that they gave us a Blake Inquiry but it was only an inquiry,

:29:39. > :29:42.it had no powers to bring people. He had limited information at the time.

:29:43. > :29:45.Now we have a lot more information. He can only work on the information

:29:46. > :29:48.he is given from the police and if the police don't want him to know

:29:49. > :29:55.certain things they're not going to give it to him. So he is limited to

:29:56. > :30:00.what he could review. Therefore, his conclusions, you know, he came up

:30:01. > :30:06.with the same scenario, it must be suicide. But now the new inquest can

:30:07. > :30:09.make people come to court and answer questions and maybe we will get

:30:10. > :30:13.somewhere near the truth of what happened to our children. All we

:30:14. > :30:17.have asked for, from the very beginning, is the truth, we just

:30:18. > :30:22.want to know the truth and give these kids justice.

:30:23. > :30:28.You'll hope is that the inquest could pave the way to an inquest

:30:29. > :30:33.into your son. We will put an application in to the Attorney

:30:34. > :30:37.General, and hope to get our original inquest overturned, and

:30:38. > :30:45.then a new inquest opened. One of the extraordinary things is you have

:30:46. > :30:50.kept going all this time. On a personal level, have you ever

:30:51. > :30:54.doubted, have you ever thought, I have to move on with my life? For

:30:55. > :31:01.you personally, what has this been like? It has put a strain on the

:31:02. > :31:05.family health-wise. Some days you want to give up, some days you

:31:06. > :31:11.think, my son was worth fighting for, and I will fight to the end to

:31:12. > :31:17.get justice for him. Any parent that loses a child and they don't do what

:31:18. > :31:20.happened, surely that is all we ask for, the truth, you want to know

:31:21. > :31:25.what happened so that you can move on with your life.

:31:26. > :31:31.More reaction later in the programme.

:31:32. > :31:37.Cameron faces tough questioning over immigration in his first EU debate.

:31:38. > :31:42.We ask a panel of our undecided voters how they saw it.

:31:43. > :31:44.And the seven-year-old boy who went missing after his parents left him

:31:45. > :31:48.alone in a forest for being naughty is found unharmed after six days.

:31:49. > :32:01.Here's the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:32:02. > :32:05.David Cameron has said the UK can control immigration even if it

:32:06. > :32:10.The Prime Minister was speaking at his first major TV event

:32:11. > :32:13.of the referendum campaign, during which he was accused

:32:14. > :32:18.The PM claimed it would be madness to try to manage the levels

:32:19. > :32:23.of migration after leaving the single market.

:32:24. > :32:26.A group of MPs has warned that the public will question

:32:27. > :32:28.the point of remaining in the European Union

:32:29. > :32:30.if the Government can't deport criminals from other EU countries.

:32:31. > :32:34.The Home Affairs Committee said Poland, Ireland and Romania

:32:35. > :32:39.The Home Office said three times more European criminals

:32:40. > :32:43.were being removed compared to five years ago.

:32:44. > :32:46.The verdict on a new inquest into the death of a soldier found

:32:47. > :32:50.shot at Deepcut barracks in Surrey will be delivered today.

:32:51. > :32:52.Private Cheryl James was one of four young recruits

:32:53. > :32:57.who died at the barracks between 1995 and 2002.

:32:58. > :33:01.The inquest, which is the second into her death, began in February

:33:02. > :33:05.and has heard from more than 100 witnesses.

:33:06. > :33:07.A rescue operation is underway in the Mediterranean,

:33:08. > :33:09.south of the Greek island of Crete, after a boat filled

:33:10. > :33:14.Greek authorities say that 250 people have been rescued

:33:15. > :33:20.It's not yet known how many people the boat is carrying,

:33:21. > :33:25.A seven-year-old boy who was left on a mountain road in Japan

:33:26. > :33:28.as a punishment by his parents has been found unharmed

:33:29. > :33:33.Yamato Tanooka was discovered in an army training base

:33:34. > :33:36.about four kilometres from where his parents had left him.

:33:37. > :33:39.He was cold and hungry but otherwise in good health.

:33:40. > :33:42.There have been calls for his parents to be prosecuted

:33:43. > :33:44.for leaving him in an area which has many wild bears.

:33:45. > :33:49.His father said he had apologised to Yamato.

:33:50. > :33:51.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:33:52. > :34:04.Hugh Ferris has this morning's sports headlines now.

:34:05. > :34:09.Roy Hodgson's assessment that England are not the finished article

:34:10. > :34:15.would not have come as a surprise to those who watched them beat logical

:34:16. > :34:19.1-0 in their final friendly. A Chris Smalling header late on. Woodland go

:34:20. > :34:24.to France on the back of three straight victories.

:34:25. > :34:26.Heather Knight is the England women's cricket team captain

:34:27. > :34:30.following the retirement of Charlotte Edwards. She steps up from

:34:31. > :34:34.being vice captain. Andy Murray will attempt to reach

:34:35. > :34:37.his first French Open final, but he will have to beat the reigning

:34:38. > :34:42.champion, Stan Wawrinka, in the semifinals this afternoon.

:34:43. > :34:45.Greg Rutherford jumped as far as he did to claim gold at the London

:34:46. > :34:51.Olympics to win the long jump Diamond League event in Rome last

:34:52. > :34:52.night. 8.31 metres. His best leap of the season so far.

:34:53. > :34:55.More later. David Cameron was accused

:34:56. > :34:59.of "waffling" and "hypocrisy" by some people at last night's TV

:35:00. > :35:02.debate on Sky, but he gave an impassioned defence of why

:35:03. > :35:05.he believes Britain should remain He conceded that immigration

:35:06. > :35:11.is a worry for many people, but said leaving is not the answer,

:35:12. > :35:16.and he said a life outside the EU risks rolling a dice

:35:17. > :35:25.with our children's future. We will talk to our audience of

:35:26. > :35:32.undecided voters in a moment. First, let's listen to some

:35:33. > :35:37.of what he had to say. I put it to you again that

:35:38. > :35:40.you just cannot control... I mean, it is oxymoronic,

:35:41. > :35:42.some might say lose the "oxy", You cannot control freedom

:35:43. > :35:47.of movement, so why did As I say, there have been many years

:35:48. > :35:52.where movements of people out of Britain into Europe,

:35:53. > :35:56.out of Europe into Britain can have You knew this a year ago

:35:57. > :36:01.when you re-stated this promise. You made the promise again,

:36:02. > :36:05.and it is a promise which cannot be fulfilled while we remain

:36:06. > :36:08.in the European Union. I think it remains the right

:36:09. > :36:12.ambition for Britain. You seriously think it can be

:36:13. > :36:14.fulfilled whilst we stay Because there have been years,

:36:15. > :36:19.and there will be again, where people from Britain choose

:36:20. > :36:21.to go and work overseas... Has this happened in any single year

:36:22. > :36:24.of your Premiership? It happened in the first year I set

:36:25. > :36:27.out the ambition. Can you seriously see it happening

:36:28. > :36:30.at any period whilst you're still Prime Minister

:36:31. > :36:31.in the next four years? What I will say, Faisal,

:36:32. > :36:36.is there are good ways of controlling immigration,

:36:37. > :36:38.and there are bad ways. A good way is doing what I did

:36:39. > :36:40.in my renegotiation. Sometimes this organisation

:36:41. > :36:43.drives me crazy, but do I sit there and think Britain would be

:36:44. > :36:45.better off if we left? Do we think we quit

:36:46. > :36:49.the European Union, we quit the single market, and somehow

:36:50. > :36:52.we will be better off? The European Union does not stop

:36:53. > :36:58.existing if we left. The Channel does not

:36:59. > :37:03.get wider if we leave. A group of people would be sitting

:37:04. > :37:06.round a table making decisions about our biggest market,

:37:07. > :37:09.about the future of our continent, about things which affect us,

:37:10. > :37:12.and we would have our nose sort of pressed to the window

:37:13. > :37:15.trying to find out what Now I will answer your

:37:16. > :37:19.question about Turkey. No, no, let me finish now,

:37:20. > :37:22.I have seen you interrupt I am an English literature

:37:23. > :37:30.student, I know How can you reassure the people

:37:31. > :37:36.who do want to vote out, because I have many friends

:37:37. > :37:38.who want to vote out, that we are safe from extremism,

:37:39. > :37:41.when we are willing to work with a government like Turkey,

:37:42. > :37:45.who want to be part of the EU, when, like I said, they are under

:37:46. > :37:49.heavy acceleration? It is like Saudi Arabia,

:37:50. > :37:57.who we sell military arms to. There is no prospect of Turkey

:37:58. > :38:03.joining the EU in decades. At this rate, they will

:38:04. > :38:09.join in the year 3000. Do you regret the personal damage

:38:10. > :38:11.that your scaremongering campaign has done to your

:38:12. > :38:13.reputational legacy? James, with respect,

:38:14. > :38:19.I don't agree. I think there is a very

:38:20. > :38:22.positive case for staying It is about jobs, it is

:38:23. > :38:25.about Britain's strength and place in the world,

:38:26. > :38:28.it is about keeping us safe. I think there are real

:38:29. > :38:33.risks from leaving. I don't accept it is

:38:34. > :38:36.scaremongering, sir. I am genuinely worried about Britain

:38:37. > :38:46.leaving the single market. I think he probably needed a stiff

:38:47. > :38:49.drink after that. Fiona Bell is 48 and a health

:38:50. > :38:52.campaigner from Northumberland. She took part in the Sky

:38:53. > :38:54.debate last night. Jo Musa is a 28-year-old business

:38:55. > :38:56.entrepreneur who is undecided, and so is Moghul Veyhron,

:38:57. > :38:59.who is a 27-year-old music Joining us from our Salford studio

:39:00. > :39:02.is 35-year-old mum Sofia Ahmed, who's undecided and thinks

:39:03. > :39:04.immigration is one of And Rebecca Connolly

:39:05. > :39:07.is 19 and was undecided. She joins us from our

:39:08. > :39:18.Belfast studio. You were there, would you hyped up

:39:19. > :39:24.on Coffey something? It seemed to be a rough house. It was a 3-way split.

:39:25. > :39:29.The undecided people, the ones who wanted to be in and the ones who

:39:30. > :39:34.wanted to vote out. What came across quite strongly. There were quite a

:39:35. > :39:39.few young people in the audience, some of them wanted to vote in, but

:39:40. > :39:47.they were quite angry with David Cameron. They had legitimate

:39:48. > :39:52.reasons. They have had tuition fees put up to 9000 a year, they were

:39:53. > :39:56.asking how they can afford to live, you have got the likes of student

:39:57. > :40:03.nurses that will not get bursaries anymore. Where you GW for to get

:40:04. > :40:09.really pumped up, or was that the natural response? It was the natural

:40:10. > :40:16.response to David Cameron. After the cameras stop rolling it still going

:40:17. > :40:22.on. He watched on the box, lurched -- let's talk David Cameron. Did he

:40:23. > :40:27.do with decent job selling Remain? He tried his best, but I think

:40:28. > :40:32.people are disgruntled with him. There is a lot of distrust, which

:40:33. > :40:37.makes it difficult for us to decipher the real issue. A lot of it

:40:38. > :40:41.went on to the NHS and other things, but the issue is not what we are

:40:42. > :40:49.walking away from but what we are walking away with. I agree. People

:40:50. > :40:54.are trying to address everything in one setting, that is what caused

:40:55. > :40:58.uproar. Do I think he has sold it? Not necessarily. He reiterated the

:40:59. > :41:05.same point again and again, he talked about the car industry, the

:41:06. > :41:08.one economy, so he kept coming back to the same point, but there was no

:41:09. > :41:18.progression or direction of where we are going. There was a constant

:41:19. > :41:23.refrain in the audience that he was scaremongering, he was trying to

:41:24. > :41:27.frighten voters. Do you think basically he is trying to give you

:41:28. > :41:32.the heebie-jeebies, make is terrified and he is over inflating

:41:33. > :41:36.the argument? Of course. I am glad the audience brought it up. It has

:41:37. > :41:42.been bordering on the ridiculous, world War three is going to start,

:41:43. > :41:46.there will be holding in courts of Turkish people coming in. That is a

:41:47. > :41:49.reason why I am undecided, because I don't think I have had concrete

:41:50. > :41:54.arguments from either side of the debate. I am glad the audience

:41:55. > :42:01.picked that up and went for it regarding that. He had his serious

:42:02. > :42:10.face on, he said, I think there are risks, pay attention. Do you think

:42:11. > :42:15.he genuinely is worried? Or is it a PR pitch to try and put the squeeze

:42:16. > :42:22.on people, that they dare not take the risk? I think it is a bit of

:42:23. > :42:25.both. It is both from both sides. Who can scare who the most and who

:42:26. > :42:33.can scare who into leaving or staying? I am very undecided, my

:42:34. > :42:37.heart says to stay in Europe, but I am coming into work everyday and I

:42:38. > :42:42.am looking at the newspapers, they say, if we stay, this will happen,

:42:43. > :42:48.you will lose your jobs. We have not been given any concrete evidence. I

:42:49. > :42:53.am interested in politics, I have gone out of my way, I travelled to

:42:54. > :42:56.Brussels to see what the EU looks like. For somebody that would not be

:42:57. > :43:00.interested, I cannot imagine what it would be like. There is a lot of

:43:01. > :43:04.concern about the tone of debate, the lack of information. One subject

:43:05. > :43:11.which came up again and again last night was immigration. Would that

:43:12. > :43:16.shaped the way you decide to vote? Is it an issue which you think, that

:43:17. > :43:22.is what is going to make my mind up? I don't know. In terms of the NHS,

:43:23. > :43:27.where I am coming from, we are dammed if we do and we are done if

:43:28. > :43:32.we don't. The NHS has loads of nurses, doctors. Yes, hard-working

:43:33. > :43:38.nurses and doctors from abroad. They prop up the NHS. Does that not make

:43:39. > :43:44.you think, we depend on them? You have to look at the flip side, and

:43:45. > :43:48.you say to David Cameron, as I tried to last night, will he give these

:43:49. > :43:53.stuff the tools and resources if we stay in so they can do the job and

:43:54. > :43:58.meet the demand? If you look across the NHS, it is struggling, it is in

:43:59. > :44:04.crisis. Paramedics and Anne Boleyn screws, only last night I had a

:44:05. > :44:08.family contact me, they said their mother was on a jolly in accident

:44:09. > :44:11.and emergency for six hours because the paramedics had to stay with her

:44:12. > :44:19.until she could be booked in -- on age folly. They don't have the

:44:20. > :44:23.resources. If we stay in, we need the resources so that the staff can

:44:24. > :44:29.do the job. If we go out, how do we fill the gaps? Your take on

:44:30. > :44:33.immigration? It is coming back to immigration a lot. We are a

:44:34. > :44:39.forward-thinking nation. We have problems in front of us. Staying in,

:44:40. > :44:44.we know what the hurdles are, we can try to work those things out. By

:44:45. > :44:47.leaving, I don't think it will solve a problem like immigration. We will

:44:48. > :44:54.just end up with a few more problems. For some like me, just a

:44:55. > :44:57.general person who is trying to look into the issue, I am not hearing

:44:58. > :45:03.anything sound about how it is going to be dealt with either way. If we

:45:04. > :45:05.leave, it is not necessarily going to provide the answers we think we

:45:06. > :45:15.are going to get. Jo? Absolutely. There's nothing

:45:16. > :45:19.concrete to say are we better staying or leaving? That's the key

:45:20. > :45:22.issue, are we better off? As a forward thinking nation as you said

:45:23. > :45:26.we have to always look ahead of time and not wait for the issue to come

:45:27. > :45:29.to our door. In a case like this, you know, we migrate everywhere,

:45:30. > :45:33.people do business abroad and people do business here. We have to look at

:45:34. > :45:36.how does that affect our trade and everything else. So it's not just

:45:37. > :45:41.what is good for Britain but gad for everyone as a whole. Sofia, the

:45:42. > :45:46.argument seemed to be I will immigration is an issue but more

:45:47. > :45:49.important is ensuring the economy kicks ticking over and I think it

:45:50. > :45:54.was said let's not crash the economy to deal with immigration. In your

:45:55. > :45:57.mind, is that the sort of decision you have to make, whether the

:45:58. > :46:01.economy is more important than immigration, is that how you weigh

:46:02. > :46:06.up the arguments here? I know that David Cameron tended to kind of push

:46:07. > :46:10.everything towards that. He must have said single economy about

:46:11. > :46:17.100,000 times! The single market. Yeah, the amount of times he said

:46:18. > :46:23.that last time was just astronomical. For me this debate

:46:24. > :46:28.around the immigration is troubling. As a second generation Pakistani

:46:29. > :46:33.from an immigrant family I am worried about the way that people

:46:34. > :46:38.have been framing this debate in the media, the way politicians have been

:46:39. > :46:43.framing it. There seems to be a lot of scapegoating. I personally

:46:44. > :46:46.believe that the problem that is we have with public services shouldn't

:46:47. > :46:50.all come down to the fact that we have a lot of immigrants coming from

:46:51. > :46:55.the Eastern Europe and various other places in Europe, it's down to the

:46:56. > :46:59.fact that we are underfunding the actual services and the fact that

:47:00. > :47:04.there has been massive cuts that have affected the NHS that have

:47:05. > :47:07.affected day-to-day lives for people that live in areas with high

:47:08. > :47:12.immigrants and really to stop scapegoating immigrants. I don't

:47:13. > :47:17.think that's an issue. Rebecca, is this an argument about immigration

:47:18. > :47:20.or is it again an aringment about David Cameron because he is stuck on

:47:21. > :47:25.this pledge of his to get net migration down to the tens of

:47:26. > :47:28.thousands. I wonder if the issue is not much about immigration, but

:47:29. > :47:33.about David Cameron's credibility and trust again because people think

:47:34. > :47:39.he hasn't kept that pledge, I am not sure I trust him. Cameron's

:47:40. > :47:43.character has come into question. He came back from Europe with this

:47:44. > :47:46.grand pledge that not many people actually trusted. So I do feel like

:47:47. > :47:50.immigration and the whole subject around it has been used as a

:47:51. > :47:54.scapegoat. I don't feel immigration is the issue. A lot of people,

:47:55. > :47:58.especially in Northern Ireland, a lot of people blame immigration on

:47:59. > :48:01.the feeling - failing of our NHS. Northern Ireland especially, we know

:48:02. > :48:07.that what needs to be done with our NHS. It's our decision-makers won't

:48:08. > :48:10.put it into play. I mean, I reject the point that it is immigration.

:48:11. > :48:14.But I believe that David Cameron is using it as a scapegoat. You have

:48:15. > :48:17.said you went over to Brussels to look at the institutions so you are

:48:18. > :48:22.clearly someone motivated. What more do you need to hear and what do you

:48:23. > :48:25.want to hear to make your mind up? I mean, I really believe that there is

:48:26. > :48:31.no right or wrong answer when it comes to voting in or out. I think

:48:32. > :48:35.that it's a personal answer. So, I want to know personally what it

:48:36. > :48:39.would mean to me if we stayed in Europe and if we left. As a young

:48:40. > :48:43.person in full-time employment this year, going into full-time education

:48:44. > :48:48.next year I want to know what would benefit me if I stayed or if I left.

:48:49. > :48:53.Briefly, Sofia, what's the key thing for you now that's going to

:48:54. > :48:57.determine how you vote? The key thing for me is based on the way

:48:58. > :49:04.that the debate carries on from here. I want people to start

:49:05. > :49:08.speaking facts, I want them to stop kind of using scare tactics. I want

:49:09. > :49:15.them to give us facts, give us details and treat us like adults

:49:16. > :49:20.really. Any clearer after watching the debate, Moghul? I want more

:49:21. > :49:24.information on what he means when he talks about special negotiations if

:49:25. > :49:27.we stay in, I want to know what they are going to be specifically and how

:49:28. > :49:31.they affect us going forward. At this point I am at a position where

:49:32. > :49:35.I feel like staying in seems like a better option because we have spent

:49:36. > :49:40.decades building this relationship in the EU and abandonment seems more

:49:41. > :49:45.scary than to stay in. I really want more information on the special

:49:46. > :49:52.agreements. Jo, have you decided where the your cross will go? I am

:49:53. > :49:54.leaning to staying, I need to hear a stronger argument for leaving.

:49:55. > :50:00.That's what we are waiting for. Fiona? My view is David Cameron

:50:01. > :50:05.needs to pack his bags and leave Number 10 and let's have an honest

:50:06. > :50:08.debate with facts and not the rubbish that he is spouting at the

:50:09. > :50:12.moment. Guys, thank you very much. It's probably a couple of stiff

:50:13. > :50:15.drinks that David Cameron needed last night!

:50:16. > :50:18.This coming Monday we're hosting a big audience debate just

:50:19. > :50:20.over a fortnight before the EU referendum.

:50:21. > :50:22.Victoria will be live in Manchester with an audience of 150 voters

:50:23. > :50:27.She'll be asking whether Britain will be better off in or out

:50:28. > :50:30.of the European Union when it comes to jobs, the economy, immigration,

:50:31. > :50:36.That's live on Monday from 9.00am on BBC Two, the BBC

:50:37. > :50:46.Sentencing continues in the case of Richard Huckle -

:50:47. > :50:49.one of Britain's worst paedophiles - who's admitted raping

:50:50. > :50:51.and sexually abusing Malaysian children while working

:50:52. > :50:59.who represents abuse victims in south-east Asia.

:51:00. > :51:02.A seven-year-old boy who was left on a mountain road in Japan

:51:03. > :51:11.as a punishment by his parents has been found unharmed six days later.

:51:12. > :51:14.Yamato Tanooka was discovered in an army training base about four

:51:15. > :51:16.kilometres from where his parents had left him.

:51:17. > :51:19.His parents initially claimed he had got lost, but eventually

:51:20. > :51:22.admitted briefly abandoning him for being naughty.

:51:23. > :51:36.His father has apologised, saying, "We went too far."

:51:37. > :51:38.TRANSLATION: My excessive behaviour caused my son such pain

:51:39. > :51:41.and inconvenienced so many people, including the people at his school.

:51:42. > :51:44.To the people that helped search for him, for that I am deeply sorry.

:51:45. > :51:48.The first thing, the very first thing, I said to my son is,

:51:49. > :51:50."I am so sorry for having caused you so much pain.

:51:51. > :52:06.And I admit what we did was excessive, and I had no idea it

:52:07. > :52:15.I deeply regret my excessive behaviour, but I did

:52:16. > :52:19.In a moment, we'll speak to a survival-skills specialist,

:52:20. > :52:22.but first let's get the latest from our correspondent Mariko Oi.

:52:23. > :52:34.This is an extraordinary story. First, how is the -- somehow the

:52:35. > :52:38.young lad? Amazingly, he is apparently in good health. The

:52:39. > :52:43.doctor who has been looking at him has actually said that he had minor

:52:44. > :52:46.injuries, but other than the fact that he was slightly dehydrated and

:52:47. > :52:51.very hungry, mind you, because he hadn't eaten all week, he was

:52:52. > :52:55.actually very well. So quite an extraordinary situation, as you say.

:52:56. > :52:59.How did they eventually find him and I imagine there was massive search

:53:00. > :53:06.parties out trying to discover him? Indeed. There were more than 200

:53:07. > :53:11.police officers, firefighters, civilians and Japanese Army involved

:53:12. > :53:16.looking for him. In the end he had actually found a shelter in a

:53:17. > :53:19.military training base and when some soldiers went there for training

:53:20. > :53:23.they found him there and he has managed to get some access to water

:53:24. > :53:27.and he actually slept between two mattresses which were left there. He

:53:28. > :53:33.has done very, very well. Incredible boy. Let's talk a little bit about

:53:34. > :53:38.the parents. We have all heard of go and stand on the naughty step, but

:53:39. > :53:41.it's another thing surely to abandon your seven-year-old in woods with

:53:42. > :53:46.bears and that sort of thing. Two thoughts really. What has been the

:53:47. > :53:49.public reaction and is there any sense that social services or the

:53:50. > :53:53.police or anything like that are going to get involved? Are there

:53:54. > :53:58.charges or anything that the parents may now face? Well, I guess there is

:53:59. > :54:02.a possibility that the police would take action against the parents. So

:54:03. > :54:06.far we haven't heard anything from the authorities. People have

:54:07. > :54:10.suggested that this is child abuse and therefore something should be

:54:11. > :54:16.done to the parents, especially online. The majority of people agree

:54:17. > :54:21.that this measure was a step too far and the father did something wrong.

:54:22. > :54:26.There was a lot of criticism against him. But at the same time,

:54:27. > :54:30.especially after hearing his very emotional press conference that he

:54:31. > :54:34.held today, some people said maybe he thought he was doing the right

:54:35. > :54:38.thing, maybe he was genuinely concerned and even though he

:54:39. > :54:46.admitted that it was a step too far it was just - it happened all in a

:54:47. > :54:50.moment and it happened to be very tragic situation which happily

:54:51. > :54:52.ended, which was a surprise. What an extraordinary story. Thank you so

:54:53. > :54:53.much. Ross Findlay is the founder

:54:54. > :54:56.of Niseko Adventure Centre in Hokkaido, which trains kids

:54:57. > :55:05.in survival skills in the area. I am amazed at this young lad. I

:55:06. > :55:10.mean, six days on his own. How difficult, are you surprised that a

:55:11. > :55:17.young lad like that could survive? What an amazing kid. To be able to

:55:18. > :55:21.survive six days and six nights. We had snow in a few days over there in

:55:22. > :55:26.the mountains here so it was very cold, as well. He he has done very

:55:27. > :55:30.well. Do you have any sense or do we know how he managed to do this and

:55:31. > :55:34.what should he have done? If you are in that situation, a young kid, what

:55:35. > :55:39.are they supposed to do? What else could you do? He found shelter, he

:55:40. > :55:45.found water and something to keep himself warm. He has done fantastic,

:55:46. > :55:49.hasn't he? You train kids in survival skills, what lessons do you

:55:50. > :55:55.try and give them and what sort of knowledge do you try and pass on to

:55:56. > :56:00.them? Well, we couldn't do much more than that, find shelter and water,

:56:01. > :56:05.the main things and keep warm, especially in the cold woods there.

:56:06. > :56:11.Where he walked was very thick undergrowth and people searching for

:56:12. > :56:16.him, the undergrowth that thick thick if he had been lying down they

:56:17. > :56:23.would have had to tread on him. He was lucky he found shelter by

:56:24. > :56:27.himself. And six days out in the woods on his own, and snow. Let's be

:56:28. > :56:32.blunt, his life could have been at risk. Definitely. He hadn't eaten

:56:33. > :56:36.for six days. The energy would be going right down. The cold and that

:56:37. > :56:41.would be taking more an effect without the energy. Again he has

:56:42. > :56:46.done very well. I am not planning on getting lost in any woods any time

:56:47. > :56:52.soon, but should it happen, what do you eat? You have to have a bit of

:56:53. > :57:01.knowledge. This time of year it's mainly sprouts. Sprouts! Sprouts as

:57:02. > :57:09.in, not brussel sprouts. I am not fond of them! This time of year a

:57:10. > :57:12.lot of people go to the forest to find sprouts, natural wild, what do

:57:13. > :57:19.you call them, vegetables and things. You mainly cook them or fry

:57:20. > :57:24.them. I am guessing water absolutely critical? Yeah, this time of year

:57:25. > :57:29.it's very hard with food, I think. Later in the year when you get

:57:30. > :57:33.berries and things it's easier. Ross, thank you very

:57:34. > :57:43.much indeed for that: Now the latest weather with John.

:57:44. > :57:51.It's delightful in some parts of the country, notably western areas.

:57:52. > :57:55.Beautiful shot from Pembrokeshire, in contrast to the gloomy picture

:57:56. > :58:00.sent in by one of our weather watchers in Essex. You can see the

:58:01. > :58:03.reason why. All this cloud again across the east

:58:04. > :58:10.of of the country. Beautiful clear skies and sunshine out west. Not a

:58:11. > :58:13.lot will change today. The cloud edging further westwards but it's a

:58:14. > :58:18.slow process. Dampness in that cloud too. Further west it stays

:58:19. > :58:22.delightful with blue skies and sunshine through the afternoon.

:58:23. > :58:26.I mentioned showers, heaviest across the north of Scotland this

:58:27. > :58:32.afternoon. One or two thundery bursts but further south and west we

:58:33. > :58:36.hold on to the brightness. Northern Ireland, a fantastic week and

:58:37. > :58:39.another fantastic day with temperatures around 20. West Wales

:58:40. > :58:44.and the west of England enjoying more sunshine. The cloud gradually

:58:45. > :58:48.creeping across with the odd spot. That's going to affect temperatures

:58:49. > :58:53.again, disappointingly cool, in contrast to potentially 20 along the

:58:54. > :58:57.Welsh coast. Into the evening time the cloud continues to ease

:58:58. > :59:03.westwards, giving the odd shower but most places will stay dry. Murky and

:59:04. > :59:10.humid there and misty along eastern coastal areas. Last night we reached

:59:11. > :59:15.close to zero in one or two places, muggy tonight. That sets the scene

:59:16. > :59:20.for a warm weekend. We will all see some sunshine. There will be

:59:21. > :59:24.scattered heavy downpours. One or two sharp showers tracking west

:59:25. > :59:31.across the heart of England. The afternoon one or two lively

:59:32. > :59:37.downpours, possibly thunder storms in the mix. At long last some

:59:38. > :59:41.sunshine across eastern counties of England. By Sunday most places will

:59:42. > :59:44.be enjoying sunshine. Still a few showers across south-west of England

:59:45. > :59:48.and south-west Wales, maybe Northern Ireland. Most of us warm in the

:59:49. > :59:52.sunshine. Cooler again along the North Sea coasts with the breeze

:59:53. > :59:56.back in off the sea. Further ahead, it's all about warmth next week.

:59:57. > :00:00.Feeling muggy and temperatures potentially up to high 20s. But

:00:01. > :00:04.thunder storms will be developing, and spreading up from the

:00:05. > :00:10.south-west. And continental Europe seeing further unwanted rain.

:00:11. > :00:13.Hello, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:00:14. > :00:25.We have been getting reaction to David Cameron's impassioned defence

:00:26. > :00:34.of Britain remaining in the EU in last night's TV debate. He was

:00:35. > :00:38.accused of scaremongering, as it helped you make up your mind?

:00:39. > :00:42.It has been bordering on the ridiculous, world War three is about

:00:43. > :00:48.to start, there will be marauding hordes of Turkish people coming in.

:00:49. > :00:52.That is why I am undecided, I have not had any concrete arguments from

:00:53. > :00:56.either side of the debate. I am glad the audience picked it up and went

:00:57. > :00:58.for it. We will get more reaction and hear

:00:59. > :01:01.from the Leave campaign. What really happened

:01:02. > :01:03.at Deepcut barracks in Surrey? This morning a coroner

:01:04. > :01:05.will give his verdict in the case of 18-year-old Cheryl James,

:01:06. > :01:08.who was found dead with a gunshot The mother of a second teenage

:01:09. > :01:15.soldier who died there tells us she's certain her son's

:01:16. > :01:21.death was not suicide. The new inquest can make people come

:01:22. > :01:26.into court, answer questions, and maybe we will get near the truth

:01:27. > :01:31.of what happened to our children. All we have asked for from

:01:32. > :01:35.the beginning is the truth. We just want to know the truth

:01:36. > :01:49.and give these kids justice. And, the West London football team

:01:50. > :01:50.helping the radicalise kid in the Brussels suburb known as Europe was

:01:51. > :01:56.Mike jihadi haven. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:01:57. > :02:03.with a summary of today's news. David Cameron has said the UK can

:02:04. > :02:07.control immigration even if it The Prime Minister was speaking

:02:08. > :02:12.at his first major TV event of the referendum campaign,

:02:13. > :02:14.during which he was accused The PM claimed it would be madness

:02:15. > :02:19.to try to manage the levels of migration after leaving

:02:20. > :02:30.the single market. People have come to our country to

:02:31. > :02:33.work, but the way to meet that challenge must not be to leave the

:02:34. > :02:35.single market, harm our economy, hurt jobs.

:02:36. > :02:41.But Vote Leave campaigners said they have the Prime Minister ruffled.

:02:42. > :02:48.All of that stuff about, if we leave, that induces the likelihood

:02:49. > :02:53.of war, the audience laughed at that. That will be most telling bit,

:02:54. > :02:55.they were fed up of the scaremongering and there were

:02:56. > :02:56.accusations from the audience of scaremongering.

:02:57. > :02:59.And coming up later on BBC Newsroom Live on the BBC

:03:00. > :03:01.News Channel, the Ukip migration and financial-affairs spokesperson

:03:02. > :03:03.and MEP Steven Wolfe, who wants Britain to leave the EU,

:03:04. > :03:05.will be answering your questions at 12:30pm.

:03:06. > :03:08.You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis,

:03:09. > :03:16.A group of MPs has warned that the public will question

:03:17. > :03:19.the point of remaining in the European Union

:03:20. > :03:23.if the Government can't deport criminals from other EU countries.

:03:24. > :03:26.The Home Affairs Committee said Poland, Ireland and Romania

:03:27. > :03:31.The Home Office said three times more European criminals

:03:32. > :03:41.were being removed compared to five years ago.

:03:42. > :03:47.Three bodies have been recovered and 302 people have been rescued so far

:03:48. > :03:49.from a sinking boat carrying what they say is a significant number of

:03:50. > :03:56.migrants. It's not yet known how many people

:03:57. > :03:59.the boat is carrying, The verdict on a new inquest

:04:00. > :04:03.into the death of a soldier found shot at Deepcut barracks in Surrey

:04:04. > :04:05.will be delivered today. Private Cheryl James was one

:04:06. > :04:08.of four young recruits who died at the barracks

:04:09. > :04:10.between 1995 and 2002. The inquest, which is the second

:04:11. > :04:13.into her death, began in February and has heard from more

:04:14. > :04:17.than 100 witnesses. A seven-year-old boy who was left

:04:18. > :04:20.on a mountain road in Japan as a punishment by his parents has

:04:21. > :04:23.been found unharmed Yamato Tanooka was discovered

:04:24. > :04:27.in an army training base about four kilometres

:04:28. > :04:30.from where his parents had left him. He was cold and hungry

:04:31. > :04:33.but otherwise in good health. There have been calls

:04:34. > :04:36.for his parents to be prosecuted for leaving him in an area

:04:37. > :04:38.which has many wild bears. His father said he had

:04:39. > :04:43.apologised to Yamato. That's a summary of

:04:44. > :04:57.the latest BBC News. One tough young boy. Some of the

:04:58. > :05:03.e-mails and text you have been sending in after last night's with

:05:04. > :05:06.David Cameron. Kerry said, David Cameron has convinced me which way

:05:07. > :05:14.to vote. He and George Osborne are the best assets in the Brexit

:05:15. > :05:18.campaign have, I am voting out. John says, it is whether we want

:05:19. > :05:22.ourselves and our children and future generations to be dictated to

:05:23. > :05:32.by unelected career politicians in the EU. On the pro Remain side, Neil

:05:33. > :05:35.says, if Brexit goes ahead, the UK will have to replicate functions

:05:36. > :05:37.currently carried out by the EU. We will lose economies of scale.

:05:38. > :05:39.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

:05:40. > :05:47.And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:05:48. > :05:52.Hugh Ferris is back with more sport now.

:05:53. > :05:56.Now, Roy Hodgson's picked his players for Euro 2016.

:05:57. > :05:58.Where to play them is the next question.

:05:59. > :06:01.A few didn't necessarily show great form in the formation the manager

:06:02. > :06:05.used in their unconvincing 1-0 win over Portugal,

:06:06. > :06:07.which at least means they're heading to France

:06:08. > :06:15.But Bruno Alves couldn't really argue with this.

:06:16. > :06:19.The defender sent off in the first half at Wembley.

:06:20. > :06:22.And it was a defender who eventually made them pay.

:06:23. > :06:25.Chris Smalling heading in Raheem Sterling's cross late

:06:26. > :06:28.on after what was frankly a disappointing performance,

:06:29. > :06:33.and one that perhaps helps Roy Hodgson to manage expectations.

:06:34. > :06:37.We will go to France reasonably confident

:06:38. > :06:43.And also knowing full well that we are not

:06:44. > :06:50.I don't know how many teams are the finished article.

:06:51. > :06:53.That is also quite a good thing, because had we won the three games

:06:54. > :06:58.4-0, all people would say is, "You have got to win it now."

:06:59. > :07:01.With a young team, they won't put too much pressure on them.

:07:02. > :07:03.So, England head to France on Monday having completed

:07:04. > :07:07.Northern Ireland and Wales still have a game to go.

:07:08. > :07:08.Northern Ireland play their final friendly against Slovakia

:07:09. > :07:11.on Saturday and Wales' last match before the Euros

:07:12. > :07:16.Heather Knight has been appointed as new captain of the England

:07:17. > :07:18.women's cricket team following the retirement

:07:19. > :07:23.Knight has been the vice captain for nearly two years and will lead

:07:24. > :07:26.a much-changed side after senior player Lydia Greenway also retired

:07:27. > :07:29.and wicketkeeper Sarah Taylor decided to take an indefinite

:07:30. > :07:35.Anya Shrubsole is the new vice captain.

:07:36. > :07:38.Andy Murray will attempt to reach his first French Open final,

:07:39. > :07:40.but he'll have to beat the reigning champion to do it.

:07:41. > :07:43.The British number one faces Stan Wawrinka in the semi-finals

:07:44. > :07:58.He has played great tennis here for the last couple of years especially.

:07:59. > :08:06.We have not played each other much for the last few years. That was in

:08:07. > :08:07.doors at the O2 the last time we played. A lot has changed since

:08:08. > :08:09.then. And finally to a safety warning

:08:10. > :08:12.from the fairways of the PGA Tour. Maybe wear a hard hat rather

:08:13. > :08:14.than a sun hat. This is Phil Mickelson's tee

:08:15. > :08:16.shot on the par-five 15th during the first

:08:17. > :08:18.round of the Memorial And that is the head

:08:19. > :08:21.of a tournament marshal. Mickelson was understandably

:08:22. > :08:26.apologetic and handed over a signed Mickelson apparently said

:08:27. > :08:30.if the marshal's head was a touch softer, his shot would have

:08:31. > :08:32.ended up on the fairway. But he did at least go

:08:33. > :08:47.on to make a birdie. I am concerned that health and save

:08:48. > :08:51.the officials will be buoyed to make sure people are not heading the ball

:08:52. > :08:54.is from the undergrowth. If it helps the golfers, they will

:08:55. > :08:56.be happy for them to head it onto the fairway!

:08:57. > :08:57.This morning, a coroner will deliver his findings

:08:58. > :09:00.in the case of Private Cheryl James, a young Army recruit

:09:01. > :09:05.who died at the infamous Deepcut barracks in 1995.

:09:06. > :09:15.She was one of four young people to take their life on the barracks,

:09:16. > :09:18.but their families have always maintained that there

:09:19. > :09:20.were unanswered questions about their deaths and questions

:09:21. > :09:33.In 1995, Private Cheryl Jones was found dead in woodland near Deepcut

:09:34. > :09:40.She was 18 and died of a bullet to the head.

:09:41. > :09:45.Cheryl was very bright, from an early age.

:09:46. > :09:48.She was always bubbly, centre of attention.

:09:49. > :09:56.She was impossible to tell off from a very early age, until she

:09:57. > :10:01.Between 1995 and 2002, three other soldiers also died

:10:02. > :10:09.The deaths came amid claims of abuse and bullying.

:10:10. > :10:21.And another 17-year-old, James Collinson.

:10:22. > :10:24.The Army treated all the deaths as suicide, but the families

:10:25. > :10:37.The current inquest is looking into Private James' death.

:10:38. > :10:42.The previous one, in 1995, returned an open verdict.

:10:43. > :10:45.That is when the cause of death could not be established.

:10:46. > :10:48.From 2002 and 2003, a police investigation into the four

:10:49. > :10:53.deaths said there was no evidence of a crime.

:10:54. > :10:55.However, a later review of the investigation criticised

:10:56. > :10:59.Surrey Police for not fully investigating the death.

:11:00. > :11:02.Three years later, a review by a senior lawyer

:11:03. > :11:07.concluded all four deaths were probably self-inflicted.

:11:08. > :11:10.Then two years ago, the High Court ruled the first investigation

:11:11. > :11:15.into Private James' death was flawed.

:11:16. > :11:17.A second inquest was ordered and that is the verdict

:11:18. > :11:20.The coroner looking into the death has heard

:11:21. > :11:26.It will focus on the state of her mental health at the time.

:11:27. > :11:41.And he will also look at a claim of attempted rape.

:11:42. > :11:44.Earlier, I spoke to the mother of Private Geoff Gray,

:11:45. > :11:50.who is one of the four recruits to die at the base over seven years.

:11:51. > :11:53.Diane Gray told me that she has never believed her son

:11:54. > :12:14.Every parent knows their child. I could not comprehend it. It was

:12:15. > :12:22.something that... What? Total shock to begin with. You are trying to

:12:23. > :12:28.tell me he has done it himself? I was told three shots were heard at

:12:29. > :12:39.1:15am and he was found dead. I said, did he missed twice? Out of

:12:40. > :12:46.the blue. What was the initial response from the military?

:12:47. > :12:50.They said, try and keep it quiet, he has committed suicide, you don't

:12:51. > :13:06.want to put shame on the family. Did you ever think this could be

:13:07. > :13:11.correct or not, this is not believable? From the beginning I

:13:12. > :13:18.thought it is not believable, but over time I began to think, maybe it

:13:19. > :13:26.is right, maybe it is a suicide. But the more I found things out, the

:13:27. > :13:30.more bizarre it became, and the more proof I got that it was not a

:13:31. > :13:36.suicide. We have the inquest into Cheryl James today. Previously an

:13:37. > :13:42.open verdict. You hope that today's inquest could pave the way possibly

:13:43. > :13:47.to an inquest into your son's death? We will put an application into the

:13:48. > :13:49.Attorney General and get our original inquest overturned, and

:13:50. > :13:51.then a new inquest opened. One of the extraordinary things

:13:52. > :13:54.is you have kept On a personal level,

:13:55. > :14:01.have you ever doubted, have you ever thought,

:14:02. > :14:04."I have to move on with my life"? For you personally,

:14:05. > :14:08.what has this been like? It has put a strain

:14:09. > :14:12.on the family health-wise. Some days you want to give up,

:14:13. > :14:15.some days you think, my son was worth fighting for,

:14:16. > :14:18.and I will fight to the end Any parent that loses a child

:14:19. > :14:26.and they don't do what happened, surely that is all we ask for,

:14:27. > :14:29.the truth, you want to know what happened so that you can

:14:30. > :14:33.move on with your life. A review of what went

:14:34. > :14:36.on at Deepcut concluded that there was harassment,

:14:37. > :14:39.discrimination and oppressive behaviour, but that the deaths

:14:40. > :14:45.were probably self-inflicted. Following a long fight

:14:46. > :14:48.by the families and their legal teams, Cheryl's case was the first

:14:49. > :14:53.to be granted a fresh inquest. But whether more will follow

:14:54. > :15:12.remains to be seen. Clive, tell us how we got here

:15:13. > :15:19.legally in terms of this inquest, how did we get here? Well, it was,

:15:20. > :15:25.as you heard there, this has been a long, 21-year fight by the parents

:15:26. > :15:30.of Cheryl James to get the evidence surrounding the circumstances of her

:15:31. > :15:37.death heard in a public forum, properly scrutinised in a public

:15:38. > :15:41.forum and today we will hear the conclusions of the coroner as to

:15:42. > :15:45.what he has made, having had all that publicly aired and publicly

:15:46. > :15:48.scrutinised. You heard that there have been a number of police

:15:49. > :15:52.investigations, there's been a review by a senior QC. But this has

:15:53. > :15:59.been a long inquest, it's been going since February. It's heard from well

:16:00. > :16:03.over 100 witnesses. Today we will get the conclusions and the critical

:16:04. > :16:08.question is whether Cheryl James took her own life, whether it was a

:16:09. > :16:13.suicide, or whether, as has been left open to the coroner by the

:16:14. > :16:19.lawyer acting on behalf of Cheryl James' family, whether she was shot

:16:20. > :16:25.by a third party. At the heart of this is the forensic evidence

:16:26. > :16:31.because the majority of forensic experts have concluded that this was

:16:32. > :16:36.a close contact, self-inflicted shot, but the for instance expert on

:16:37. > :16:40.behalf of the family has said no, that this was a shot from a third

:16:41. > :16:44.party and it was a shot from distance. Now the difficulty here is

:16:45. > :16:48.that because the original investigation by Surrey Police

:16:49. > :16:52.concluded this was a suicide, none of the forensic evidence, the

:16:53. > :16:57.critical forensic evidence, was retained. So the forensic experts

:16:58. > :17:03.have been working from photographs and key to that are what is said to

:17:04. > :17:09.be soot stains on the hand and face of Cheryl James. The expert for the

:17:10. > :17:13.family says no, they weren't soot stains, they were mud or another

:17:14. > :17:17.substance, that's why he says it's open to find this was a shot from

:17:18. > :17:22.distance by a third party. We will hear about that. We will also hear

:17:23. > :17:26.much of the detail surrounding the personal circumstances of Cheryl

:17:27. > :17:33.James, the pressures she was under. We have heard at this inquest that

:17:34. > :17:39.she was at a base that was described as a sexualised, as morally haywire.

:17:40. > :17:43.We know she had to choose between two boyfriends, one of whom came and

:17:44. > :17:48.visited her on the day of her death when she was on guard duty, had a

:17:49. > :17:52.45-minute conversation with her and then left. There was also an

:17:53. > :17:56.allegation she had been raped the night before, that was not

:17:57. > :17:59.corroborated. But we will have some indication from the coroner as to

:18:00. > :18:03.his findings as to the culture at the base, not a broad culture, it

:18:04. > :18:08.wasn't a public inquiry, but the culture at the base as it affected

:18:09. > :18:12.Cheryl James. We are expecting a long narrative verdict from the

:18:13. > :18:17.coroner, but that should begin around 11.00 am. We will keep you

:18:18. > :18:22.posted obviously as to what he says and what the conclusions are.

:18:23. > :18:28.Briefly, what are the potential implications here of the outcome

:18:29. > :18:32.legally of this inquest? Well, there is no question that these deaths

:18:33. > :18:37.represent a very dark chapter in the history of the British Army. But the

:18:38. > :18:42.other three families are pushing for inquests, the parents of Sean

:18:43. > :18:47.Benetton, one of the soldiers that died, they are dead but his case is

:18:48. > :18:50.being pursued by relatives. They'll be watching this very closely. Much

:18:51. > :18:55.will depend on that critical finding of whether this was a suicide, a

:18:56. > :18:59.self-inflicted death or whether this was a soldier who was shot by

:19:00. > :19:05.someone else at the base, that will be a very important finding. The

:19:06. > :19:08.families are pushing, we know that Sean Benton's family will hear later

:19:09. > :19:09.this year perhaps as to whether they'll get an inquest. Thank you

:19:10. > :19:12.very much. Here in the studio to discuss

:19:13. > :19:15.what the findings of today's inquest will mean are Emma Sangster

:19:16. > :19:18.from Forces Watch and former Army Captain turned

:19:19. > :19:24.lawyer Patrick Hennessy. Emma, the thing a lot of people will

:19:25. > :19:32.wonder, is this all historic, is it in the past or is it still a problem

:19:33. > :19:37.today in the Army? Well, I think that was a very particularly bad

:19:38. > :19:42.chapter of abuse at training establishments. There was the four

:19:43. > :19:49.deaths at Deepcut but there was also a number of deaths at Catterick

:19:50. > :19:55.barracks as well and there was campaigning around that at the time.

:19:56. > :20:00.But there was no full public inquiry about what really amounts to a

:20:01. > :20:04.culture of abuse. If that was a bad time, is there any evidence to

:20:05. > :20:08.suggest that doesn't happen any more or is there concern that maybe

:20:09. > :20:15.things have not changed so much? I think things have changed to a

:20:16. > :20:21.degree. We haven't seen young people committing suicide in that way,

:20:22. > :20:28.although there are still suicides in the Army. There is still a big

:20:29. > :20:33.problem with bullying, discrimination, harassment in the

:20:34. > :20:39.armed forces and the figures that the armed forces themselves produce

:20:40. > :20:44.show that, that quite a large percentage of people still

:20:45. > :20:49.experience bullying, particularly if they're junior recruits. Still

:20:50. > :20:53.experience sexual harassment. Patrick, you were a military man,

:20:54. > :20:58.true that there is a culture of bullying? Did you find that and see

:20:59. > :21:02.that? I wouldn't say there was a culture of bullying, it's right to

:21:03. > :21:04.say like any large organisation, especially with large numbers of

:21:05. > :21:09.young people it's difficult to stamp out completely the pressures that

:21:10. > :21:12.exist. Clearly what was going on at Deepcut was horrific. And I

:21:13. > :21:18.certainly don't recognise that from my time. I went under basic training

:21:19. > :21:22.at Sandhurst in 2004, about two years I think after the last of

:21:23. > :21:25.these deaths happened and there was a much greater awareness then,

:21:26. > :21:30.certainly for us, of how you would flag up a problem if you felt you

:21:31. > :21:33.were being bullied, how you could take issues you had outside the

:21:34. > :21:36.direct chain. Obviously what you don't feel you can necessarily do is

:21:37. > :21:40.complain about the person you are reporting up to. I imagine many

:21:41. > :21:49.people think it's the Army guys, and you want people to be pretty tough

:21:50. > :21:53.and we are not going to go around mollycoddling you. It's a bruising

:21:54. > :21:58.environment, isn't there always going to be a degree of tough love,

:21:59. > :22:02.if I can put it that way? The important phrase is tough love, it's

:22:03. > :22:06.got to be love. Bruising is an interesting word, that conjures up

:22:07. > :22:09.an image of physical pressure. I think that's where we understand

:22:10. > :22:12.there's got to be a line. Culturally, not just in the Army,

:22:13. > :22:19.things have changed in the last 20 years. If you look at, I am a huge

:22:20. > :22:24.football fan, if you look at a young footballer joining a big club in the

:22:25. > :22:28.80s and 90s, you were made to clean boots and do tasks and feel at the

:22:29. > :22:33.bottom of the ladder. A 17-year-old footballer now is treated like a

:22:34. > :22:36.God. I think the Army recognises there are recruits, raw material,

:22:37. > :22:40.they're a precious resource. Yes, you have to put the right amount of

:22:41. > :22:43.pressure, because you have to prepare young men and women for the

:22:44. > :22:47.pressures they'll find on operations. You can't break them. To

:22:48. > :22:56.do so would be hugely counterproductive. We have matured

:22:57. > :22:59.in that sense. Emma, I suppose the Army obviously a hierarchical

:23:00. > :23:05.organisation, and you have superiors, the pressure to keep

:23:06. > :23:11.quiet and not to complain I imagine is immense? Yes, I think so. This is

:23:12. > :23:17.the problem. You have individuals who often are very young, could be

:23:18. > :23:23.coming from a vulnerable place. Partly because of this they are so

:23:24. > :23:29.young, but they are within a massive institution. From our perspective it

:23:30. > :23:37.doesn't really matter how many safeguards you may put in place to

:23:38. > :23:44.try and limit bullying, there's still a problem of how young people,

:23:45. > :23:49.maybe 16, 17, can cope within that kind of institution with all the

:23:50. > :23:54.pressures that they need to conform to, obey orders, the rigorous

:23:55. > :24:01.training and from our perspective we shouldn't actually be recruiting

:24:02. > :24:08.people at that age into institutions which have such a rigorous demand.

:24:09. > :24:13.Patrick, is there any scope for having some external body which

:24:14. > :24:17.soldiers can complain to or that breach the integrity and unity of

:24:18. > :24:21.the regiment and that thing? I think they do. There is now an armed

:24:22. > :24:24.forces ombudsman who is a civilian and exists outside that structure

:24:25. > :24:28.who complaints can be taken to and bodies which assess, made up of

:24:29. > :24:31.people no longer within the Army, made up of retired officers and

:24:32. > :24:33.soldiers, I think that does exist and I think it's been a step

:24:34. > :24:43.forward. Thank you both very much. Football has long been used as a way

:24:44. > :24:46.to stop kids getting But a team from West London are now

:24:47. > :24:51.using football as a way to prevent Tuff FC's methods of coaching

:24:52. > :24:54.and mentoring have been so successful Barack Obama has

:24:55. > :24:57.invited them to the White House. And this week the team travelled

:24:58. > :25:00.to Molenbeek in Brussels to play football, and talk

:25:01. > :25:01.about ways to counteract She acts as a mentor to a football

:25:02. > :25:17.team called Tuff FC, several of whom have been

:25:18. > :25:19.in contact with extremists. It all started with the curiosity

:25:20. > :25:22.and the fact that they weren't sure where they belonged,

:25:23. > :25:24.and that sense of acceptance wasn't something they found

:25:25. > :25:26.where they were living. We kind of found out about these

:25:27. > :25:33.things, due to a sense of trust that was built between us

:25:34. > :25:35.and the kids. The kids kind of came up to us,

:25:36. > :25:39.some of them, and spoke to us about what was happening,

:25:40. > :25:41.and their curiosities, whether they had been

:25:42. > :25:43.contacted yet or not. Some of them were curious

:25:44. > :25:45.and wanted answers on a taboo subject they could not talk

:25:46. > :25:48.about in schools. But for many, the lure

:25:49. > :25:51.of football has proved stronger When they recruit young people,

:25:52. > :25:55.they make it look like a family, kind of what we're doing

:25:56. > :25:59.as a counterract. You are welcome here,

:26:00. > :26:02.using words like sister, In a sense, it is like saying

:26:03. > :26:10.we are uniting against the West. But at the same time,

:26:11. > :26:13.I don't see it as a gang, I see it as a group of people

:26:14. > :26:16.who have strong extreme ideologies that change the way Islam

:26:17. > :26:21.is being portrayed in the world. And football is a form

:26:22. > :26:27.of radicalisation. If you are Chelsea fan,

:26:28. > :26:30.you will be a die-hard Chelsea fan. You won't look at the person

:26:31. > :26:34.next to being Jewish, or Christian, or Hindu,

:26:35. > :26:39.or Muslim, all you know is they are Chelsea fan

:26:40. > :26:42.and you will be bonding with them. What tends to happen is,

:26:43. > :26:45.when you have a child who is in the throes of going to Syria,

:26:46. > :26:48.what we experience is, when we put football in front

:26:49. > :26:51.of them, or you put their football club in front of them,

:26:52. > :26:54.they have had a hard decision We had a choice, where we gave

:26:55. > :27:02.a choice to one of the kids, on the left-hand side

:27:03. > :27:05.you have the gates of Heathrow Airport taking

:27:06. > :27:07.you to Turkey or Syria, or on the right-hand

:27:08. > :27:09.side, you have the gates of Stamford Bridge and Jose Mourinho

:27:10. > :27:11.holding his hand out, She said, ten seconds,

:27:12. > :27:18."I want Mourinho." Umra and the team travel

:27:19. > :27:20.to Molenbeek in Brussels, a suburb synonymous with last

:27:21. > :27:22.year's Paris attacks. At least three of the men

:27:23. > :27:28.involved lived here. And, as in west London,

:27:29. > :27:31.while football is a dominant force, TRANSLATION: When I was about 16

:27:32. > :27:37.years old, I was approached by a person who tried

:27:38. > :27:40.to radicalise me, but at the time, I am a practising Muslim,

:27:41. > :27:45.and I know that this is not something that is allowed

:27:46. > :27:48.by my faith, and it is a complete nonsense to go and kill

:27:49. > :27:50.in the name of Allah. Actually, in everywhere you have

:27:51. > :28:06.extremism, but here I am talking for the sport,

:28:07. > :28:08.our Academy and our club. That is why we keep the youngsters

:28:09. > :28:18.coming to the football stadium or the other sport,

:28:19. > :28:21.and don't let them in the street, because they can deal

:28:22. > :28:23.with the extremism. Here in the club, for the moment,

:28:24. > :28:31.we don't have that problem. For Tuff FC, the trip was about

:28:32. > :28:34.football and sharing experiences. Do you like living

:28:35. > :28:41.here in Molenbeek? Life is not like they described it

:28:42. > :28:57.in the press, actually. It is much nicer

:28:58. > :28:59.than you would think. The team have also been

:29:00. > :29:07.invited by President Obama to the White House, spreading

:29:08. > :29:27.the message further afield. More than 13,000 foreign criminals

:29:28. > :29:29.are awaiting deportation from the UK, we will have the details from

:29:30. > :29:35.the home affairs Select Committee which produced that report.

:29:36. > :29:41.And, the Prime Minister faces tough questioning over immigration in the

:29:42. > :29:43.first EUTV debate. We will hear from a Ukip MEP and why he is voting to

:29:44. > :29:59.leave the EU. David Cameron has said the UK can

:30:00. > :30:02.control immigration even if it The Prime Minister was speaking

:30:03. > :30:06.at his first major TV event of the referendum campaign,

:30:07. > :30:08.during which he was accused The PM claimed it would be madness

:30:09. > :30:13.to try to manage the levels of migration after leaving

:30:14. > :30:15.the single market. A group of MPs has warned

:30:16. > :30:17.that the public will question the point of remaining

:30:18. > :30:19.in the European Union if the Government can't deport

:30:20. > :30:24.criminals from other EU countries. The Home Affairs Committee said

:30:25. > :30:27.Poland, Ireland and Romania The Home Office said three times

:30:28. > :30:32.more European criminals were being removed compared

:30:33. > :30:37.to five years ago. The verdict on a new inquest

:30:38. > :30:40.into the death of a soldier found shot at Deepcut barracks in Surrey

:30:41. > :30:43.will be delivered today. Private Cheryl James was one

:30:44. > :30:45.of four young recruits who died at the barracks

:30:46. > :30:50.between 1995 and 2002. The inquest, which is the second

:30:51. > :30:53.into her death, began in February and has heard from more

:30:54. > :30:57.than 100 witnesses. Greek authorities say three bodies

:30:58. > :31:01.have been recovered and 302 people have been rescued so far

:31:02. > :31:04.from a sinking boat carrying what they say is a "significant"

:31:05. > :31:06.number of migrants. A rescue operation is currently

:31:07. > :31:09.underway in the Mediterranean, It's not yet known where

:31:10. > :31:18.the boat has come from. Join me for BBC

:31:19. > :31:25.Newsroom live at 11am. Here's Hugh Ferris again

:31:26. > :31:31.with the sports headlines. Roy Hodgson's assessment that

:31:32. > :31:35.England aren't the finished article wouldn't have come as any surprise

:31:36. > :31:37.to those who watched them labour to a 1-0 win over Portugal

:31:38. > :31:40.in their final friendly before Chris Smalling with the goal

:31:41. > :31:47.as they head to France on the back Heather Knight has been named

:31:48. > :31:53.as the new captain of the England women's cricket team

:31:54. > :31:54.following the retirement Knight steps up from being the vice

:31:55. > :32:01.captain for the last two years. Andy Murray will attempt to reach

:32:02. > :32:03.his first French Open final, but he'll have to beat the reigning

:32:04. > :32:07.champion to do it. The British number one faces

:32:08. > :32:09.Stan Wawrinka in the semi-finals And, 8.31 metres seems to be

:32:10. > :32:14.a favourite distance It got him gold at London

:32:15. > :32:17.2012 and also a victory in the Diamond League event

:32:18. > :32:22.in Rome last night. It's also his longest

:32:23. > :32:30.jump of the season. A British man is facing multiple

:32:31. > :32:35.life sentences for numerous sex crimes against children in Malaysia,

:32:36. > :32:37.which he boasted Richard Huckle from Ashford in Kent

:32:38. > :32:44.admitted the offences against victims aged between six

:32:45. > :32:48.months and 12 years, It is believed the 30-year-old

:32:49. > :32:57.abused up to 200 children. His sentencing hearing began

:32:58. > :32:59.at the Old Bailey on Wednesday, Let's talk now to Alan Collins,

:33:00. > :33:05.who leads abuse claims for victims overseas and is from Hugh James

:33:06. > :33:15.Solicitors. Shocking as this is, are you

:33:16. > :33:29.surprised by it? Yes. It seemed that this is now one in a

:33:30. > :33:36.line of a series of cases over recent times where it seems that

:33:37. > :33:43.abusers are able to travel from the UK to other countries and abuse,

:33:44. > :33:49.almost, it seems, with impunity, and move from one country to another. It

:33:50. > :33:55.highlights for me this ability to move around and abuse and also the

:33:56. > :34:04.growing problem of the Internet in these cases, the ink used to further

:34:05. > :34:08.the offences, access children, and as an aid to abuse children. It is a

:34:09. > :34:14.very disturbing case. It is one in a line of cerebral, -- several, but it

:34:15. > :34:19.highlights the grotesqueness of the problem. He was a teacher, presented

:34:20. > :34:25.himself as an English-language teacher. If you are a teacher in

:34:26. > :34:31.this country you are checked and vetted. Does any of that happened?

:34:32. > :34:34.It is a problem that needs an international solution. You can have

:34:35. > :34:40.good practice which help to minimise the risk, but if you think about it,

:34:41. > :34:46.and you listen to victims, there is in the developing world a thirst for

:34:47. > :34:51.education, a demand to learn English, and so these characters are

:34:52. > :34:55.able to exploit that. It enables them to exploit the most vulnerable,

:34:56. > :35:01.who are desperate to get an education. Are there no checks when

:35:02. > :35:05.they are there? These people are in demand, because English is the

:35:06. > :35:10.global language, but they have got very young kids, is there no

:35:11. > :35:14.oversight? It needs an international solution, there needs to be high

:35:15. > :35:19.standards throughout the world. It should not be so easy for people to

:35:20. > :35:26.masquerade as teachers or to access children in that way in developing

:35:27. > :35:34.countries or anywhere else. That is a Laguna in the system, and it

:35:35. > :35:37.needs, in my opinion, an international solution, so there is

:35:38. > :35:42.an international standard, so nobody can say, wherever they are, I am a

:35:43. > :35:46.teacher, therefore I can go and teach. There needs to be rigorous

:35:47. > :35:54.checks, no matter which country it is. Let's talk about the other side,

:35:55. > :36:01.the children. What happens to them? What support they give them, can

:36:02. > :36:10.they sue for compensation? For many of them, justice is going to be an

:36:11. > :36:14.elusive. Many will be dependent on charity for ongoing care and

:36:15. > :36:19.support. A lot of good work is done, but it is patchy and it varies from

:36:20. > :36:23.country to country. Many will not have access to any form of justice,

:36:24. > :36:28.whether it is from normal or civil law. Because of their particular

:36:29. > :36:33.cases, some may be able to bring cases in the UK or elsewhere. A lot

:36:34. > :36:39.depends on particular circumstances and who is there on the ground to

:36:40. > :36:40.provide support. Action is possible, but it is hit and miss and it varies

:36:41. > :36:47.enormously. More than 13,000 foreign

:36:48. > :36:49.criminals are awaiting deportation from the UK,

:36:50. > :36:51.including thousands of European citizens, according to a report

:36:52. > :36:53.by a group of influencial MPs. The Home Affairs Select Committee

:36:54. > :36:56.said the figure was the equivalent to a "small town" and would lead

:36:57. > :36:59.people to "question the point" The numbers represent

:37:00. > :37:03.foreign-national offenders currently in the UK,

:37:04. > :37:22.both in detention and living It is a shocking tale. It is, the

:37:23. > :37:26.committee has been banging on about this for a number of years. It has

:37:27. > :37:30.been ongoing under successive governments. The rumour that the

:37:31. > :37:36.Charles Clarke issue, thousands were let out before being considered for

:37:37. > :37:39.deportation, but we have 9800 foreign national offenders in our

:37:40. > :37:45.prisons representing 11% of the prison population are costing the

:37:46. > :37:51.taxpayer 40,000 a year to keep them in prison. Then you have the 5700

:37:52. > :37:54.who are out of prison in the community, and the Government has

:37:55. > :37:58.not removed them. Is it lack of resources to boot them out, is it a

:37:59. > :38:06.reluctance on the part of other countries to take them? What is the

:38:07. > :38:11.logjam to boot them out? There is a lot of political will, there is a

:38:12. > :38:15.passion to see them out. The Prime Minister said he wanted them out as

:38:16. > :38:20.quickly as possible. The Home Secretary is working hard to make

:38:21. > :38:23.sure it happens. It took her two years with Abu Qatada, I thought she

:38:24. > :38:29.would pilot the plane to get him out. It seems to be a problem with

:38:30. > :38:34.EU countries. We need to bang the table more with Poland and Romania

:38:35. > :38:39.and Lithuania, tell the Commonwealth countries, there are four of them

:38:40. > :38:44.represented in the top ten... We are a big player in the EEG, the

:38:45. > :38:47.Commonwealth, obviously, we have leveraged. Why can we not get

:38:48. > :38:52.countries like Poland and other Commonwealth countries to get these

:38:53. > :38:56.commercials back? It is a question you have to put to the Home

:38:57. > :39:01.Secretary and the Government. I support staying in. The case being

:39:02. > :39:06.made by the Prime Minister is solid, but if those leaders of the EU like

:39:07. > :39:10.Angela Merkel and Donald Tusk want us to stay in, one of the things

:39:11. > :39:15.they can do is to announce that their citizens will return to their

:39:16. > :39:19.countries. It will help us in our campaign, because I want to remain

:39:20. > :39:23.in, and we have to if we are going to deal with removing these people

:39:24. > :39:29.to EU countries. As far as the Commonwealth is concerned, when the

:39:30. > :39:31.Prime Minister needs the Prime Minister of India, Pakistan,

:39:32. > :39:36.Nigeria, that needs to be the first thing on the agenda. They are

:39:37. > :39:41.reluctant to take back their citizens, we need to remind them of

:39:42. > :39:45.their responsibilities. Why should we pay for foreign national

:39:46. > :39:48.offenders who come into our country, commit offences, are sentenced

:39:49. > :39:51.because of serious crimes, murder, rape, burglary, and then stay at our

:39:52. > :39:58.expense? We need to get them out. An African-American movie producer

:39:59. > :40:00.who clashed with the actor Matt Damon over the lack

:40:01. > :40:02.of diversity within the industry is here in London to encourage

:40:03. > :40:05.ethnic minority film-makers. Damon publicly apologised

:40:06. > :40:07.for downplaying the importance of diversity while judging the HBO

:40:08. > :40:12.reality show Project Greenlight, which gives first-time directors

:40:13. > :40:16.the chance to make a movie. The incident took place before

:40:17. > :40:18.the Oscars race row. They were discussing choosing

:40:19. > :40:35.a director for a film where the only I would want to urge people to think

:40:36. > :40:40.about whoever this director is, the way they are going to treat the

:40:41. > :40:46.character of harmony. With her being a prostitute, the only black person

:40:47. > :40:50.being a hooker. On the surface, they look like one thing, but they might

:40:51. > :40:55.end up giving us something we don't want. We were talking about

:40:56. > :40:57.diversity, you do it in the casting of the film, not in the casting of

:40:58. > :41:02.the show. Wow! She's on the panel with

:41:03. > :41:06.the British Film Institute at the Sundance Film Festival

:41:07. > :41:07.London. And she recently produced

:41:08. > :41:09.the award-winning satire Here's a short clip

:41:10. > :41:19.from the trailer. You are listening to Winchester

:41:20. > :41:25.University's only college radio station. The white people. The

:41:26. > :41:32.minimum requirement of black friends needed to not see racist has just

:41:33. > :41:37.been raised to two. Sorry, but your weed man does not count. The white

:41:38. > :41:42.people, please stop touching my hair. Does this look like a petting

:41:43. > :41:49.zoo? Tell me a bit more about what you

:41:50. > :41:58.are doing in London. I am here on behalf of Sundance London and BFI to

:41:59. > :42:04.talk about inclusion. And the usefulness of diversity in film and

:42:05. > :42:08.television. We know the row over the Oscars, but from your perspective,

:42:09. > :42:14.it is not those in front of the camera where there is an issue, it

:42:15. > :42:18.is behind the camera as well? It is so interesting, I love to use the

:42:19. > :42:22.word inclusion a bit more, because diversity sometimes has a

:42:23. > :42:32.connotation of taking something from someone. But inclusiveness means,

:42:33. > :42:40.come on, everybody said share. It is a problem in front of as well as

:42:41. > :42:43.behind the camera. If we are more included, people of colour and

:42:44. > :42:51.women, it makes for a better product and better business. Did you think

:42:52. > :42:56.Hollywood is basically racist? That is a very good question. Since I

:42:57. > :43:01.want to work still, I will say no. I will say that Hollywood is

:43:02. > :43:07.probably... It has been done the same way for a very long time. Now

:43:08. > :43:11.that we are seeing with the way that demographics are changing, we have

:43:12. > :43:16.become more of a global society, more people are included, more

:43:17. > :43:21.people that might not look like you, but might look like me, we want to

:43:22. > :43:28.see our stories as well. I presume the whole Oscar row is a massive

:43:29. > :43:34.deterrent to black people and others getting involved in the industry.

:43:35. > :43:40.That is interesting. I will respectively disagree. Doing the

:43:41. > :43:45.show, one of the main reasons for me to do that was to show that there

:43:46. > :43:49.are quality crewmembers and stories behind as well as in front of the

:43:50. > :43:55.camera that can be told, and there are people that want to participate.

:43:56. > :44:02.We can do the job and we want to, we want to be storytellers, see our

:44:03. > :44:06.stories on screen. I am grateful and very happy to be a member of the

:44:07. > :44:13.Academy. I got in a year ago. We are part of a programme which is going

:44:14. > :44:20.to actually revamp the membership rules, so we can reflect more of

:44:21. > :44:24.what people... What America really looks like. Some of the comments,

:44:25. > :44:30.you know them already, from the likes of formidable actors like

:44:31. > :44:36.Charlotte Rampling, they say the problem is there are not that many

:44:37. > :44:41.great black actors. That is untrue. I believe she apologised for that,

:44:42. > :44:45.and it came out a little insensitively. I love her, so I will

:44:46. > :44:53.give her a pass on that! There" if you brilliant actors of colour. The

:44:54. > :45:00.world is much bigger than black and white. We need to recognise that. A

:45:01. > :45:04.lot of the actors and actresses of colour, as well as directors, and

:45:05. > :45:10.producers, they don't get the opportunity, because Hollywood... I

:45:11. > :45:14.don't want to say it is racist, but there has been a systematic way of

:45:15. > :45:18.doing things that has been exclusionary to people of colour and

:45:19. > :45:24.women. If we had the access in terms of financing and projects, people

:45:25. > :45:35.will see that. Is the issue script writers, that

:45:36. > :45:43.they don't write prominent parts for non-whites? That's interesting. I

:45:44. > :45:48.now work for a company called Lee Daniels Entertainment. I feel that

:45:49. > :45:53.there are writers and creators out there that are looking for people of

:45:54. > :45:58.colour and women to play those leading roles. I don't think, what I

:45:59. > :46:01.feel from what I am hearing from you, there is not one place, like

:46:02. > :46:06.it's their fault the reason why things are the way that they are.

:46:07. > :46:12.It's the fact that there's been from financing to actually gets put in

:46:13. > :46:16.the theatres, to what people who are the gate-keepers say that we want to

:46:17. > :46:23.see. All those things have been working together to only see a

:46:24. > :46:27.homogenised sort of story, God bless, I love white men, but they

:46:28. > :46:31.all look like will you, we want to see something different and hear a

:46:32. > :46:36.different story. What happens if next year the Oscars is again

:46:37. > :46:38.all-white? That's interesting. Secondly, is it changing, is it

:46:39. > :46:44.changing and how fast is it changing? OK. So, I will say I

:46:45. > :46:48.highly, highly doubt that we will have the same problem at the Oscars

:46:49. > :46:53.next year because of the programmes they're putting in place. So I

:46:54. > :46:59.highly doubt that's going to be... Is that because of pressure, frankly

:47:00. > :47:05.and the backlash? What's interesting is all the Oscars so white happened,

:47:06. > :47:14.but the prior year I was able - there was a lot of women, I think

:47:15. > :47:22.322 women and people of colour that became included and I have been

:47:23. > :47:27.around for a very long time, that change comes from inside. When you

:47:28. > :47:31.are rallying against something from the outside, people are really

:47:32. > :47:35.reticent to change, if you can come from within the system and show I am

:47:36. > :47:40.like you, I am not your enemy, I don't want to take something from

:47:41. > :47:47.you, I want to share and be included and be able to show another side of

:47:48. > :47:50.the story. People know now, I think, that once you have inclusion or

:47:51. > :47:55.diversity that your product is better. You can look at the movies

:47:56. > :47:58.now where they say, like a lot of times prior they would say, oh,

:47:59. > :48:03.movies of colour and women don't travel globally. Maybe you will do

:48:04. > :48:08.OK in the States. Is that true? That's a total lie. That's something

:48:09. > :48:11.that distributors and foreign sales people have been perpetrating for a

:48:12. > :48:18.while. But they're not the only reason. You know that's true? That

:48:19. > :48:23.is false, movies absolutely travel. I travel quite a bit, they give us

:48:24. > :48:29.passports now, we can go everywhere! When I travel, you know, they're

:48:30. > :48:35.talking about the Fast and Furious and Kevin Hart and talking about

:48:36. > :48:38.Dear White People. People are hungry to see themselves reflected, not

:48:39. > :48:44.only women and people of colour, but also people that are of the dominant

:48:45. > :48:48.culture, that are like, I didn't know you were like this. So if you

:48:49. > :48:51.are a young black kid and want to get involved in the film industry

:48:52. > :48:56.how do you go about doing that, what is your advice? My advice is don't

:48:57. > :49:05.ask for permission, that you need to do it. Right now with technology it

:49:06. > :49:09.has democratised the entry level. You can make a movie now, sometimes

:49:10. > :49:14.on iPhones they make them. You can make your story. I also feel for

:49:15. > :49:18.people who are in film and people who might not know what to do,

:49:19. > :49:23.because it's a daunting subject of I don't know how to fix this, it's

:49:24. > :49:27.been been done like this forever, you can hire women and people of

:49:28. > :49:31.colour in positions that can also bring in other people. You hire and

:49:32. > :49:34.mentor. If people are like there aren't any women or people of colour

:49:35. > :49:39.that are qualified for this position, you know what you do, you

:49:40. > :49:42.mentor someone. You mentor someone and when they're qualified and

:49:43. > :49:46.capable, then you hire them. You hire and mentor. The last thing for

:49:47. > :49:53.me is you invest. You can invest in what you invest in your time and

:49:54. > :49:57.also what you invest your money in. Those are my three, I say simple,

:49:58. > :50:02.things that you can let anyone do. You are in London. Yes! Obviously,

:50:03. > :50:09.you feel there are lessons that can be applied here in Britain too? I

:50:10. > :50:14.do. I feel that inclusion is a global conversation. From judging

:50:15. > :50:19.here, I love your studio, but it looks very... You know what I am

:50:20. > :50:22.saying! Could do with women and people of colour, just saying! I

:50:23. > :50:27.feel that it's a conversation that we all can have. I don't like

:50:28. > :50:30.talking at people. I like to give people a sense of empowerment. There

:50:31. > :50:36.are things you can do. There is no enemy. We can all hire. We can all

:50:37. > :50:38.mentor and invest. We can support these films and television

:50:39. > :50:46.programmes that are inclusive and show different types of stories. As

:50:47. > :50:50.we all know, stories shape culture. And public consciousness. It really

:50:51. > :50:55.does. Thank you so much for talking to us. Thank you.

:50:56. > :50:57.The Prime Minister has conceded that immigration is an issue of concern

:50:58. > :51:00.in the EU referendum campaign, but says it can be addressed without

:51:01. > :51:05.He was speaking in a question-and-answer session

:51:06. > :51:08.on Sky News last night, and said that it would be madness

:51:09. > :51:10.to try to bring the net-migration figure down by quitting

:51:11. > :51:24.Let's have a listen to what he had to say.

:51:25. > :51:27.I put it to you again that you just cannot control...

:51:28. > :51:30.I mean, it is oxymoronic, some might say lose the "oxy",

:51:31. > :51:33.You cannot control freedom of movement, so why did

:51:34. > :51:37.As I say, there have been many years where movements of people out

:51:38. > :51:40.of Britain into Europe, out of Europe into Britain can have

:51:41. > :51:49.You knew this a year ago when you re-stated this promise.

:51:50. > :51:52.You made the promise again, and it is a promise which cannot be

:51:53. > :51:54.fulfilled while we remain in the European Union.

:51:55. > :51:57.I think it remains the right ambition for Britain.

:51:58. > :52:00.You seriously think it can be fulfilled whilst we stay

:52:01. > :52:04.Because there have been years, and there will be again,

:52:05. > :52:07.where people from Britain choose to go and work overseas...

:52:08. > :52:09.Has this happened in any single year of your Premiership?

:52:10. > :52:12.It happened in the first year I set out the ambition.

:52:13. > :52:14.Can you seriously see it happening at any period whilst you're

:52:15. > :52:16.still Prime Minister in the next four years?

:52:17. > :52:20.What I will say, Faisal, is there are good ways

:52:21. > :52:22.of controlling immigration, and there are bad ways.

:52:23. > :52:25.A good way is doing what I did in my renegotiation.

:52:26. > :52:27.Sometimes this organisation drives me crazy, but do I sit

:52:28. > :52:30.there and think Britain would be better off if we left?

:52:31. > :52:35.Do we think we quit the European Union, we quit

:52:36. > :52:37.the single market, and somehow we will be better off?

:52:38. > :52:44.The European Union does not stop existing if we left.

:52:45. > :52:49.The Channel does not get wider if we leave.

:52:50. > :52:53.A group of people would be sitting round a table making decisions

:52:54. > :52:56.about our biggest market, about the future of our continent,

:52:57. > :52:58.about things which affect us, and we would have our nose sort

:52:59. > :53:01.of pressed to the window trying to find out what

:53:02. > :53:04.Now I will answer your question about Turkey.

:53:05. > :53:06.No, no, let me finish now, I have seen you interrupt

:53:07. > :53:14.I am an English literature student, I know

:53:15. > :53:21.How can you reassure the people who do want to vote out,

:53:22. > :53:24.because I have many friends who want to vote out,

:53:25. > :53:27.that we are safe from extremism, when we are willing to work

:53:28. > :53:30.with a government like Turkey, who want to be part of the EU,

:53:31. > :53:33.when, like I said, they are under heavy accusation?

:53:34. > :53:38.It is like Saudi Arabia, who we sell military arms to.

:53:39. > :53:44.There is no prospect of Turkey joining the EU in decades.

:53:45. > :53:52.At this rate, they will join in the year 3000.

:53:53. > :53:54.Do you regret the personal damage that your scaremongering

:53:55. > :53:58.campaign has done to your reputational legacy?

:53:59. > :54:03.James, with respect, I don't agree.

:54:04. > :54:05.I think there is a very positive case for staying

:54:06. > :54:09.It is about jobs, it is about Britain's strength

:54:10. > :54:12.and place in the world, it is about keeping us safe.

:54:13. > :54:14.I think there are real risks from leaving.

:54:15. > :54:24.I don't accept it is scaremongering, sir.

:54:25. > :54:41.I am genuinely worried about Britain leaving the single market.

:54:42. > :54:57.We are live on Monday from 9.00 am with a debate.

:54:58. > :55:01.Let's hear from someone who is in favour of voting to leave the EU.

:55:02. > :55:03.James Carver is a Ukip MEP for the West Midlands region.

:55:04. > :55:10.David Cameron came through and is still in one piece? The body

:55:11. > :55:16.language showed that he is over a barrel. He didn't want to offer this

:55:17. > :55:22.referendum, he doesn't want to discuss the issue of open door

:55:23. > :55:26.migration. Yes, I can see half those that entered the UK last year were

:55:27. > :55:29.from outside the European Union. The British Government, elected by the

:55:30. > :55:32.British people, can have a vote on the party that decides on

:55:33. > :55:40.immigration policy. What we can't control is the free movement of

:55:41. > :55:45.labour, even though we are outside the Schengen area. I don't blame

:55:46. > :55:50.people wanting to come from this country, the minimum wage is higher

:55:51. > :55:55.than in those countries. Let me put it to you that your campaign is

:55:56. > :56:00.basically a one-trick pony and the one trick is immigration? Not at

:56:01. > :56:03.all. I have been campaigning for 20 years on this issue, certainly not

:56:04. > :56:07.immigration. This is the first time I am discussing immigration properly

:56:08. > :56:11.during this campaign. I have been campaigning since the word go.

:56:12. > :56:17.Immigration is a big issue. It's on the door-steps but there are other

:56:18. > :56:22.issues. It all filters back to immigration and the economy. Can how

:56:23. > :56:26.can any Government properly budget in a budget for how many houses need

:56:27. > :56:31.to be built, pressures on hospitals, pressures on school places, while we

:56:32. > :56:35.have free movement of labour within the European Union? That's what it

:56:36. > :56:39.is about, it's about control of our borders. David Cameron had tough

:56:40. > :56:44.questions to answer on immigration. Your side, Michael Gove tonight is

:56:45. > :56:48.in the hot chair for the Vote Leave campaign. Your side have tough

:56:49. > :56:52.questions to answer on the economy and what is going to happen to our

:56:53. > :56:56.relations economically with the rest of the world. It's a complete leap

:56:57. > :56:59.into the dark. Not at all. It's a leap into the light. What we have

:57:00. > :57:03.been saying from the word go is that we don't have to be members of the

:57:04. > :57:09.European Union to trade with the European Union. And to have access

:57:10. > :57:16.to the single market. In 2014 the United States of America exported

:57:17. > :57:23.206 billion worth of goods in the same year Republic, and they did it

:57:24. > :57:28.without a trade agreement. The world is a far different place to what it

:57:29. > :57:30.was when we joined a so-called common market in 1973. It's about

:57:31. > :57:38.control. It's about control of our borders. It's about control of our

:57:39. > :57:43.laws. It's about the supremacy of parliament and our courts. We have

:57:44. > :57:49.to leave it there. Thank you. Round two is this evening and it's Michael

:57:50. > :57:53.Gove in front of the audience. BBC News live is up next. Thank you for

:57:54. > :57:57.your company today. I think I heard the weatherman say there will be

:57:58. > :58:02.sunshine and warmth this weekend. Can I just say thank God! I am sure

:58:03. > :58:11.you are fed up with the dismal weather. I am certainly fed up with

:58:12. > :58:20.it. Let's us all hope we can bask in our deckchairs. Enjoy your weekend.

:58:21. > :58:24.Have a splendid day. See you again, bye.