08/06/2016

:00:07. > :00:13.Our top story today, calls for voter registration to be

:00:14. > :00:15.extended after the website crashed last night due to

:00:16. > :00:29.At Westminster red faces and ranker amid calls for emergency legislation

:00:30. > :00:32.to extend the period for voter registration. This after angry

:00:33. > :00:35.clashes in last night's television debate.

:00:36. > :00:38.We need to be in this organisation fighting for British interests and

:00:39. > :00:42.for British jobs. Leaving is quitting. I don't think Britain, I

:00:43. > :00:46.don't think we're quitters. I think we're fighters. We fight in these

:00:47. > :00:50.organisations for what we think is right. I'm sorry. We're British,

:00:51. > :00:56.we're better than that. We're not going to be bullied by the

:00:57. > :01:01.unelected, charming show he maybe junk. Forget it.

:01:02. > :01:04.-- Claude Juncker. Also on the programme,

:01:05. > :01:06.an 11-year-old girl with a neurological disability,

:01:07. > :01:08.handcuffed, put in leg restraints and her head covered with a mesh bag

:01:09. > :01:11.by British police officers. Her mother says her

:01:12. > :01:13.treatment was vile. The use of spit hoods, it shouldn't

:01:14. > :01:15.be used on children. And certainly not on disabled

:01:16. > :01:19.children who aren't in control When I saw her with one

:01:20. > :01:23.on it was horrific. I'll never get the image

:01:24. > :01:25.out of my mind. There is just absolutely no excuse

:01:26. > :01:39.for spit hooding children. The head of the group that bought

:01:40. > :01:41.BHS for ?1 will appear before MPs shortly. We will bring you the

:01:42. > :01:52.details. Later in the programme, we'll bring

:01:53. > :02:08.you an interview with race walker Tom Bosworth who has now qualified

:02:09. > :02:11.for the Rio Olympics having just missed out

:02:12. > :02:13.on qualification for London 2012. You may remember Tom came out

:02:14. > :02:16.on this programme as gay last year. Do get in touch on all the stories

:02:17. > :02:21.we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria

:02:22. > :02:23.Live and if you text, you will be charged

:02:24. > :02:26.at the standard network rate. There are calls for voter

:02:27. > :02:29.registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

:02:30. > :02:32.website suffered serious technical problems in the run up

:02:33. > :02:40.to last night's deadline. The Government is looking at whether

:02:41. > :02:45.it is legally possible to extend the deadline after what was described as

:02:46. > :02:48.unprecedented demand in the run-up to the midnight deadline.

:02:49. > :02:50.David Cameron and Nigel Farage were subjected to tough

:02:51. > :02:52.questioning on the EU referendum from a television

:02:53. > :02:55.One Conservative voter accused the Prime Minister of failing

:02:56. > :02:58.to honour his promise to curb immigration, while the UKIP leader

:02:59. > :03:02.Our political correspondent Chris Mason watched the exchanges.

:03:03. > :03:04.Tonight, as the arguments intensify...

:03:05. > :03:11.Arguably the two most famous faces on either side of the argument,

:03:12. > :03:21.I think it was very bad, wrong of us, to turn our backs

:03:22. > :03:23.on the Commonwealth in favour of the European political project

:03:24. > :03:33.You use scaremongering and inflammatory comments

:03:34. > :03:36.in your campaign that have gone against people that look non-white.

:03:37. > :03:39.If we have an Australian-style points system rather than an open

:03:40. > :03:41.door to 500 million people, then actually it would be

:03:42. > :03:49.Half an hour later, it was the Prime Minister's turn.

:03:50. > :03:52.I voted for you in the last election because one of the things

:03:53. > :03:54.in your manifesto was to get immigration down.

:03:55. > :03:57.You haven't been able to do that because you aren't

:03:58. > :04:04.The biggest risk we can take is to pull out of the EU,

:04:05. > :04:06.the single market, damage our businesses and jobs

:04:07. > :04:08.and there would be fewer opportunities for our

:04:09. > :04:12.I hope when people go to vote on 23rd June they think

:04:13. > :04:14.about their children and grandchildren, they think

:04:15. > :04:17.about them and opportunities they want for them and the sort of

:04:18. > :04:23.Yes, it was an hour of passion, anger and irritation from those

:04:24. > :04:25.putting the questions, but soon it was over.

:04:26. > :04:34.Welcome to what is known as the "spin room".

:04:35. > :04:37.Politicians and political advisers speak to journalists

:04:38. > :04:39.and try to convince us that their man won.

:04:40. > :04:41.And yes, both sides claimed their side was victorious,

:04:42. > :04:54.but neither seemed to manage a knock-out blow.

:04:55. > :04:59.And our Political guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.

:05:00. > :05:08.What are they going to do about the voters registration shambles? The IT

:05:09. > :05:10.boffins at the Cabinet Office are probably being beaten about the head

:05:11. > :05:15.at the moment as to why this happened! Everyone has been abelg to

:05:16. > :05:19.people particularly young people to make sure they're registered and lo

:05:20. > :05:24.and behold people did try and make sure they are registered. 500,000

:05:25. > :05:27.people tried to register yesterday in one five minute period, 50,000

:05:28. > :05:30.people tried to register. What happened, smoke pretty much came out

:05:31. > :05:35.of the computer! Here is the website now. It is up and running now. It

:05:36. > :05:39.wasn't yesterday. And there is a consensus that the deadline is going

:05:40. > :05:43.to have to be extended. Simple as that. The Labour Party said they

:05:44. > :05:46.want it extended. The Liberal Democrats say they want it extended

:05:47. > :05:50.and the Scottish National Party say it has got to be extended. Folk in

:05:51. > :05:55.Government say, we are looking at it, we are trying to work out what

:05:56. > :06:00.the legal implications are. Under the 2015 referendum conduct Act,

:06:01. > :06:05.when the clock strikes midnight bong, that's it! Time is up. So the

:06:06. > :06:11.question is, how do you get round that? Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader

:06:12. > :06:14.is suggesting the way to get around that, is to rush through emergency

:06:15. > :06:18.legislation. It is not as big a deal as it might sound, it can be done

:06:19. > :06:22.quickly if everyone is in agreement, and as far as I can see everyone is

:06:23. > :06:27.in agreement. There is another reason, I suspect, why some on the

:06:28. > :06:29.Remain side are desperate for the extension to the deadline because

:06:30. > :06:35.there is a view most of those signing up yesterday were probably

:06:36. > :06:39.young folk because certainly I think the Smith girls, they do everything

:06:40. > :06:43.at the last minute, rush, rush, there is only five seconds to go,

:06:44. > :06:49.there is never a plan, it was probably young folk who didn't sign

:06:50. > :06:53.up and the fear of the Remain side, that's going to hit them harder.

:06:54. > :06:59.Listen to Tim Farron. If the vote is close in either direction it will

:07:00. > :07:03.leave a cloud of uncertainty and of illegitimacy over the outcome. The

:07:04. > :07:06.last thing we want is for the outcome of the referendum to be

:07:07. > :07:10.unclear. Win or lose, it won't be a draw, we might end up in a situation

:07:11. > :07:14.where this becomes a draw because the margin of victory could be

:07:15. > :07:19.smaller than the number of people excluded because of a technical

:07:20. > :07:23.glitch. Vic, to cut to the chase, where we are the world and his wife

:07:24. > :07:27.at Westminster think it is a shambles and something must be done

:07:28. > :07:33.about it. I suspect some sort of legal way will be found to satisfy

:07:34. > :07:38.them and to ensure the deadline can be extended by 24 hours or so. One

:07:39. > :07:41.other thing to say, Tim Farron asked for a statement in Parliament on

:07:42. > :07:44.this, I would think he will get that, unless Mr Cameron is going to

:07:45. > :07:46.raise it himself at Prime Minister's Questions.

:07:47. > :07:52.Thank you very much, Norman, cheers for now. Thank you.

:07:53. > :08:01.We will try and bring you some facts, yes, some FACTS when it comes

:08:02. > :08:06.to making up your mind when it comes to voting in the referendum. We have

:08:07. > :08:08.two impassion organisations. They will explain why they feel they are

:08:09. > :08:12.impartial and hopefully they will give you facts. I'm on the edge of

:08:13. > :08:15.my seat, I don't know about tu! Joanna has the rest of the news. I'm

:08:16. > :08:23.looking forward to that! The team who took over BHS

:08:24. > :08:25.before its collapse last week will give evidence to MPs

:08:26. > :08:28.on the Work and Pensions The 88-year-old company was bought

:08:29. > :08:30.by Dominic Chappell from Sir Philip Green

:08:31. > :08:33.for a pound last year. Administrators confirmed last

:08:34. > :08:35.Thursday that a buyer hadn't been found for the retailer,

:08:36. > :08:37.meaning 163 stores would close President Obama has congratulated

:08:38. > :08:41.Hillary Clinton on making history by becoming the first woman

:08:42. > :08:45.to become a major party's nominee Mrs Clinton had a good night

:08:46. > :08:54.in the last big round of primaries, polling strongly against her rival

:08:55. > :08:55.Bernie Sanders. He is now under pressure

:08:56. > :08:58.to quit the race. Barring any unforeseen events

:08:59. > :09:00.at the Republican Party convention, the former First Lady will be up

:09:01. > :09:02.against Donald Trump "All men are created

:09:03. > :09:11.equal" says America's That has sounded dated

:09:12. > :09:18.for a very long time, and yet it's only now,

:09:19. > :09:21.240 years on, that it may be about to change,

:09:22. > :09:26.thanks to this woman. Thanks to you, we've

:09:27. > :09:29.reached a milestone. The first time in our nation's

:09:30. > :09:32.history that a woman will be But, as her rivals point

:09:33. > :09:49.out, Mrs Clinton is one of the most unpopular presidential candidates

:09:50. > :09:50.since polling began. This is shaping up to be

:09:51. > :09:58.the bitterest of battles. We can't solve our problems

:09:59. > :10:00.by counting on the politicians The Clintons' have turned

:10:01. > :10:09.the politics of personal enrichment Her place in history

:10:10. > :10:18.assured, Hillary Clinton "To every little girl

:10:19. > :10:21.who dreams big," she said, "yes, you can be anything

:10:22. > :10:25.you want, even president." Mrs Clinton could become

:10:26. > :10:29.the first First Lady to move in to what was once her

:10:30. > :10:39.husband's Oval Office. The police watchdog has

:10:40. > :10:41.criticised the Sussex force for using handcuffs,

:10:42. > :10:44.leg restraints and a so-called spit-hood on an 11-year-old girl

:10:45. > :10:47.with a severe mental disability. The girl was also detained by police

:10:48. > :10:50.without the presence The Independent Police Complaints

:10:51. > :10:54.Commission says 11 officers have a case to answer for misconduct

:10:55. > :10:59.over the treatment of the girl, who was detained four times and held

:11:00. > :11:14.for a total of 60 hours. Avon and Somerset Police hope new

:11:15. > :11:19.developments in DNA profiling will help catch the killer of a young

:11:20. > :11:26.woman in Bath. Melanie Hall was last seen alive in a city nightclub 20

:11:27. > :11:28.years ago this month. Victoria will be talking to her dad Steve Hall

:11:29. > :11:33.later in the programme. Severe weather and storms have

:11:34. > :11:35.caused problems across the UK. A 37-year-old man and his two

:11:36. > :11:38.children are in a critical condition after they were struck by lightning

:11:39. > :11:40.in Lisburn, County Antrim. Over 8,000 lightening

:11:41. > :11:42.strikes were recorded Heavy rain took out systems

:11:43. > :11:47.at Luton Airport causing delays, while flash floods caused problems

:11:48. > :11:49.in Dunstable in Bedfordshire, and two people had to be rescued

:11:50. > :12:02.from a car in south London. I was driving through and it I just

:12:03. > :12:06.started getting submerged and the guy had to put a brick through the

:12:07. > :12:09.window of the car to make sure that people could get out. They were

:12:10. > :12:13.banging on the window and moving stuff around. Someone on the side

:12:14. > :12:16.grabbed it, and threw the brick and he managed to get out. I was going

:12:17. > :12:21.through, it was so shallow at the time, a couple of smaller cars went

:12:22. > :12:23.through and then all of a sudden the tarmac just started exploding with

:12:24. > :12:30.water and the car was filling. That's a summary of

:12:31. > :12:40.the latest BBC News. Messages from you about the fact

:12:41. > :12:46.that the website couldn't cope last night. Peter says, "Registration

:12:47. > :12:55.should not be extended. We have had months to do. Another case of where

:12:56. > :12:59.people are convinced that the world revolves around them." Another

:13:00. > :13:04.viewer says, "It could be a stunt. You missed the deadline. Tough."

:13:05. > :13:07.Tony says, "I do not accept opposition calls for an extension.

:13:08. > :13:13.In anything, there has to be a deadline. There has to be a cut off

:13:14. > :13:16.point Y are the would be voters not already registered anyway if they

:13:17. > :13:19.consider the EU decision so important that they wish to add

:13:20. > :13:23.their choice, why did they leave it to the last minute to do so?" You

:13:24. > :13:29.just do, and the deadline was midnight, but people couldn't log-on

:13:30. > :13:32.after 10pm. So the deadline was brought forward two hours

:13:33. > :13:38.inadvertently. John thinks the same. A lot of men think the same! We

:13:39. > :13:41.should not extend the deadline. "People had more than sufficient

:13:42. > :13:44.time to register. It was stressed time and time again on TV for people

:13:45. > :13:48.to go and register. Obviously the system will crash as any website

:13:49. > :13:51.will crash when the demand is excessive." No

:13:52. > :13:55.Do get in touch with No us throughout the morning.

:13:56. > :13:59.Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

:14:00. > :14:18.sympathy there. We might know the make up of the England team.

:14:19. > :14:21.We're gearing up for Euro 2016 now, it's all very real with the first

:14:22. > :14:25.However it's not the time for injury scares.

:14:26. > :14:26.England's Chris Smalling is expected to train today,

:14:27. > :14:29.despite limping out of the team bus with a strapped knee yesterday.

:14:30. > :14:32.He is expected to be fit for their first match

:14:33. > :14:38.But there's a bigger injury worry for Northern Ireland.

:14:39. > :14:40.Forward Kyle Lafferty limped out of training yesterday

:14:41. > :14:44.after appearing to injure his groin overstretching for a ball.

:14:45. > :14:46.He's key for them after seven goals in qualifying.

:14:47. > :14:48.Manager Michael O'Neill says he's not concerned though

:14:49. > :14:54.ahead of their match with Poland on Sunday.

:14:55. > :14:56.Former Chelsea defender Marcel Desailly was part

:14:57. > :14:58.of the France squad which won Euro 2000.

:14:59. > :15:01.He believes the tournament has the ability to lift the country

:15:02. > :15:12.France actually is facing a little bit of problems, socially, the

:15:13. > :15:17.security level, at the level of economy. So we need football. We

:15:18. > :15:18.need football to be there for us to enjoy, to have hope and this is

:15:19. > :15:21.something very important. There is more from Desailly -

:15:22. > :15:27.it's a really interesting interview regional variations apply

:15:28. > :15:32.so check the listings. News in this morning that former

:15:33. > :15:38.Celtic manager Neil Lennon will be announced as the new man in charge

:15:39. > :15:41.of Hibs later today. Lennon left

:15:42. > :15:43.Bolton wanderers in March and replaces Alan Stubbs who left

:15:44. > :15:45.Easter Road for Rotherham, having led Hibs to their first

:15:46. > :15:51.Scottish Cup win in 114 years. England's Women edged closer to spot

:15:52. > :15:56.at Euro 2017 with their second 7-0 win over Serbia in

:15:57. > :15:58.the space of four days. Chelsea midfielder Gemma Davison

:15:59. > :16:04.scored her first international goals,

:16:05. > :16:05.a hat-trick no-less, It leaves England top of their group

:16:06. > :16:11.with two matches to play. Scotland beat Belarus but Wales

:16:12. > :16:13.lost to Norway. England's Rugby Union team

:16:14. > :16:16.have a difficult test this summer - a three-match series

:16:17. > :16:17.against World Cup The first meeting will be

:16:18. > :16:21.in Brisbane on Saturday. England come off a Six Nations Grand

:16:22. > :16:25.Slam hoping for a first Series Win in Australia,

:16:26. > :16:40.but which would be bigger? You look at grand slams and you

:16:41. > :16:48.average once every decade. In May they are coming here and it is a

:16:49. > :17:13.massive thing, a test series, and for England it will be hard.

:17:14. > :17:16.Greg Rutherford has frozen his sperm over fears he may be affected

:17:17. > :17:21.by the Zika Virus at this summer's Olympic Games in Brazil.

:17:22. > :17:23.Locked up for 60 hours, restrained with handcuffs,

:17:24. > :17:26.leg straps and a bag over her head known as a spit hood,

:17:27. > :17:30.That was how Sussex police treated an 11-year-old girl,

:17:31. > :17:33.a girl with a severe neurological disability and what are described

:17:34. > :17:37.The girl, who's not been identified and is known as child H,

:17:38. > :17:39.was arrested three times and detained under the Mental Health Act

:17:40. > :17:44.once over the period of a month in 2012.

:17:45. > :17:47.Her disability had not been diagnosed at the time

:17:48. > :17:49.of the police contact, but her mother had told officers

:17:50. > :17:54.she believed her daughter had an autism spectrum disorder.

:17:55. > :17:57.Despite this, the Independent Police Complaints Commission found

:17:58. > :18:00.the 11-year-old was twice held overnight in police cells

:18:01. > :18:05.without a parent, guardian or social worker present to support her.

:18:06. > :18:09.The police watchdog decided 11 police officers should be

:18:10. > :18:14.investigated for misconduct but two have now retired.

:18:15. > :18:18.Child H's mother, who also can't be identified,

:18:19. > :18:20.told BBC 5Live her daughter's treatment was horrific.

:18:21. > :18:26.The use of spit hoods, it shouldn't be used on children.

:18:27. > :18:30.And certainly not on disabled children who aren't in control

:18:31. > :18:37.When I saw her with one on it was horrific.

:18:38. > :18:39.I'll never get the image out of my mind.

:18:40. > :18:42.There is just absolutely no excuse for spit hooding children.

:18:43. > :18:45.Talk us through what went through your head when you saw her

:18:46. > :18:55.I've never seen anything like it in my life.

:18:56. > :18:57.It was for me, as a mother, like watching...

:18:58. > :19:00.I couldn't see any child like that, you know?

:19:01. > :19:03.It would be extremely disturbing to see any child like that.

:19:04. > :19:06.But to see your own child shackled up with leg restraints

:19:07. > :19:10.and handcuffed behind the back, behind her back with a spit

:19:11. > :19:13.hood over her head, was a worst nightmare.

:19:14. > :19:20.It was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen and I will never get

:19:21. > :19:30.She was absolutely petrified, terrified beyond belief.

:19:31. > :19:33.It sent her into a state of emotional trauma that lasted

:19:34. > :19:38.When you went in and saw her like that, presumably you protested

:19:39. > :19:42.to them to unshackle her, to take the hood off?

:19:43. > :19:47.One of the times that I saw her with the hood on,

:19:48. > :19:50.I just demanded they take it off instantly and unstrap her

:19:51. > :19:55.The police were very bullish, and they said

:19:56. > :19:58.they were not going to do that until she had calmed down.

:19:59. > :20:00.I said, she's not going to calm down like this.

:20:01. > :20:02.It was just exasperating, the whole situation,

:20:03. > :20:06.it was making her so much worse than she ever needed to be,

:20:07. > :20:09.they had absolutely no idea how to handle her whatsoever.

:20:10. > :20:16.Our Home Affairs correspondent Danny Shaw is here.

:20:17. > :20:23.What did they do and why? What the police were trying to do was to

:20:24. > :20:28.bring this girl under some kind of control. It is acknowledged she had

:20:29. > :20:39.a mental disorder that was very difficult to deal with and very

:20:40. > :20:41.challenging behaviour. I think the Independent Police Complaints

:20:42. > :20:45.Commission said in their report that she could potentially be at risk of

:20:46. > :20:50.harming herself or other people. Everyone accepts this is not an easy

:20:51. > :20:55.situation to deal with. It is not an 11-year-old girl walking along the

:20:56. > :20:58.street normally. The mother contacted the police on several

:20:59. > :21:04.occasions when the child ran away from her, so the police were called

:21:05. > :21:09.and they handcuffed, they used leg restraints, they used this spit

:21:10. > :21:15.hood, a bag with a mesh over it, which is to stop the police being

:21:16. > :21:20.spat at. On four Cajuns, three of which she was arrested for minor and

:21:21. > :21:24.one where she was detained under the Mental Health Act, she was taken

:21:25. > :21:29.into custody and held for a period of over 60 hours and held twice

:21:30. > :21:34.overnight, but the key failing for Sussex police was they did not allow

:21:35. > :21:38.her to have adult support in custody. You would have thought that

:21:39. > :21:41.an 11-year-old girl with a lot of difficulties would have had a

:21:42. > :21:45.parent, a guardian or a social worker present and that did not

:21:46. > :21:49.happen in that case. The other failing is the police failed to

:21:50. > :21:54.record the reasons why they used the force that they did. 11 officers

:21:55. > :21:58.were recommended for disciplinary action, they had a case to answer

:21:59. > :22:05.according to the IPCC. Nine of them have received management advice, the

:22:06. > :22:11.lowest disciplinary action, and two officers have subsequently retired.

:22:12. > :22:16.The police say they have learned from this and they will continue to

:22:17. > :22:20.learn on this. Is that it for now? To be fair to Sussex police they

:22:21. > :22:25.have put out a very detailed statement and have taken this case

:22:26. > :22:28.very seriously. This is not a case where the police have not

:22:29. > :22:32.acknowledged they have not done anything wrong and I washing their

:22:33. > :22:35.hands of it. They have recognised they have not dealt with this case

:22:36. > :22:41.properly and they have acted to ensure this will not happen again.

:22:42. > :22:45.They have put in place training for officers. They say you cannot train

:22:46. > :22:49.every single police officer on every kind of mental health disorder, but

:22:50. > :22:55.there should be a basic understanding. You do not have to be

:22:56. > :22:57.a police officer to know that an 11-year-old girl overnight in a

:22:58. > :23:03.police cell needs an appropriate adult there. Yes, the appropriate

:23:04. > :23:08.point has been taken and they have put in place training and refreshed

:23:09. > :23:13.guidance on the use of spit hood. They are going to keep it in use, I

:23:14. > :23:17.understand other forces do not need it. They say the application of any

:23:18. > :23:21.type of restraint is considered only when the level of resistance causes

:23:22. > :23:25.concern for the safety of the detained person and other members of

:23:26. > :23:29.the public. That is their justification for using those. Thank

:23:30. > :23:32.With us now is the family's solicitor, Gus Silverman,

:23:33. > :23:42.For the police to use handcuffs, leg restraints and this food, can you

:23:43. > :23:52.tell the audience how violent the girl was being? My client suffers

:23:53. > :23:58.from a neurological condition manifesting in symptoms similar to

:23:59. > :24:01.autism. It is not unusual for children with these types of

:24:02. > :24:05.disability to behave in challenging ways and no one is disputing that my

:24:06. > :24:13.client was behaving in a very challenging way. When my client's

:24:14. > :24:18.mother called the police what she was expecting them to do was to come

:24:19. > :24:21.to the scene, to assist her in keeping her daughter safe and to

:24:22. > :24:27.help her take her daughter home where she could be kept safe whilst

:24:28. > :24:31.she calmed down. My client's mother was well used to caring for her

:24:32. > :24:35.daughter, she knew her temper tantrums would pass. But what

:24:36. > :24:39.happened was that the police officers turned up, they used

:24:40. > :24:45.handcuffs and leg restraints and a spit hood. They took my client to a

:24:46. > :24:50.police station and detained had a cumulative total of over 60 hours

:24:51. > :24:55.without access to an appropriate adult. That experience meant my

:24:56. > :24:59.client was unable to calm down. She was in an alien environment and she

:25:00. > :25:03.was being restrained and her mother was not there. This was not an

:25:04. > :25:10.environment in which a child with this kind of disability was ever

:25:11. > :25:12.going to calm down. You had an cycle of restraint, distress, leading to

:25:13. > :25:19.further restraint and further distress. Special schools, unit up

:25:20. > :25:24.and down the country, are dealing every day with children who present

:25:25. > :25:30.challenging behaviour. They would never dream of using handcuffs and

:25:31. > :25:35.leg restraints and a spit hood on those children. The question is why

:25:36. > :25:41.should the police use those forms of restraint? It is really important to

:25:42. > :25:48.note that Sussex police authorise the use of a spit hood, but other

:25:49. > :25:52.police forces do not. Merseyside police and West Midlands please do

:25:53. > :26:01.not. They do not authorise it for adults. So why is Sussex using it?

:26:02. > :26:05.We do not know why they think it is appropriate because as the watchdog

:26:06. > :26:09.said on a number of occasions they did not record the reasons for their

:26:10. > :26:15.use of force. How alarmed are you buy that? Barry alarmed. The police

:26:16. > :26:20.are under a legal duty to record the force that was used and why it was

:26:21. > :26:24.used and why it was necessary. That is key for accountability. Further

:26:25. > :26:30.on down the line if their decisions I challenge, it is in the interest

:26:31. > :26:35.of the police and the public to know what force was used and why. There

:26:36. > :26:40.was a really systemic organisational failure in Sussex police to record

:26:41. > :26:45.the force that was used on my client and the IPCC has flagged that up as

:26:46. > :26:49.an organisational failure and is very concerned about it because it

:26:50. > :26:56.indicates a lack of awareness of how serious it is when a police officer

:26:57. > :27:01.handcuffs and leg straps and 11-year-old child. There were over

:27:02. > :27:09.the course of the arrests 11 officers involved with dealing with

:27:10. > :27:15.this 11-year-old girl. 11 officers that the police watchdog say have a

:27:16. > :27:20.case to answer when it comes to misconduct charges. Two have now

:27:21. > :27:23.retired. What do you think of that? There is an issue with police

:27:24. > :27:27.officers being allowed to retire when there is an ongoing

:27:28. > :27:32.investigation. Members of the public would rightly expect that if they

:27:33. > :27:37.make a complaint against an officer, that officers should not be able to

:27:38. > :27:42.avoid sanction simply by retiring. Chief constables do have the power

:27:43. > :27:47.to direct that officers should not be allowed to resign if there is an

:27:48. > :27:51.ongoing investigation. That is a power that should be used much more

:27:52. > :27:57.commonly and should have been used in this case. And from your own

:27:58. > :28:03.investigations why do you think for two night the 11-year-old was held

:28:04. > :28:08.in this cell without her mother, without the Guardian, without a

:28:09. > :28:12.social worker? What it comes down to is a basic failure by Sussex police

:28:13. > :28:17.to properly train its custody sergeants. Sorry to interrupts. You

:28:18. > :28:24.do not have to be a custody sergeants trained in any thing to

:28:25. > :28:27.know that an 11-year-old with a neurological disability should not

:28:28. > :28:36.be left in a cell or night on her own. You are absolutely right. There

:28:37. > :28:41.are two points. One is the moral, common-sense point. How would you

:28:42. > :28:46.want your child to be treated? Would you want to be able to see your

:28:47. > :28:50.child and convert the tar? Of course you would. Secondly there is a legal

:28:51. > :28:54.obligation and it is crystal clear in the statutory code of practice

:28:55. > :29:01.that has been issued by Parliament. It is clear when a child is held in

:29:02. > :29:03.custody, the custody sergeant is responsible for calling an

:29:04. > :29:07.appropriate adult to attend the police station as soon as is

:29:08. > :29:12.practical. What happened here is the custody sergeants were saying we

:29:13. > :29:18.will call an appropriate adult when we are ready to interview this

:29:19. > :29:21.child. Again my client was incredibly distressed and suffers

:29:22. > :29:26.from a neurological disability and there was no prospect of every being

:29:27. > :29:31.fit to interview. As a result there was no prospect of the Sussex police

:29:32. > :29:34.officers allowing her mother to see her, notwithstanding the fact that

:29:35. > :29:39.the mother was attending the police station. On one occasion by accident

:29:40. > :29:45.she was allowed into the police station to see her daughter, once

:29:46. > :29:50.and by accident. On all other occasions she was told flatly and in

:29:51. > :29:56.a very unsympathetic way that she was not allowed to see her daughter

:29:57. > :30:00.and she was not needed. Thank you for talking to us. We will talk to

:30:01. > :30:02.Sussex police later on in the programme.

:30:03. > :30:07.In a statement Sussex police say, "We take our responsibility for any

:30:08. > :30:09.use of force very seriously, particularly when it involves young

:30:10. > :30:13.We welcome the IPCC's scrutiny and during its investigation

:30:14. > :30:15.the force has adopted many schemes to support vulnerable people

:30:16. > :30:17.and those with mental illness, learning disabilities

:30:18. > :30:23.Aspects of our approach are being held as good practice

:30:24. > :30:26.nationally and we will respond to any new learning identified

:30:27. > :30:44.Roy tweets this, "Let's remember the police were trying to control a

:30:45. > :30:54.spitting, kicking child." Ben says, "This is child abuse. Things like

:30:55. > :30:58.this make people hate the police." Kirsty tweets this, "An 11-year-old

:30:59. > :31:03.disabled girl held overnight by the police, no adult support, handcuffed

:31:04. > :31:07.and a spit hood put over her head, this is horrific." Lleyton says,

:31:08. > :31:12."There is no excuse for this excessive use of force. A Specialist

:31:13. > :31:16.childcare input should have been sought at once. The police are badly

:31:17. > :31:21.trained in mental health issues, but are supposed to use common sense and

:31:22. > :31:29.to hold her without a responsible adult is unacceptable and that spit

:31:30. > :31:33.hood sounds horrific." BHS a back in the headlines as MPs

:31:34. > :31:39.prepare to question the man who bought the retailer for just ?1 last

:31:40. > :31:43.year. Dominic Chappell is being blamed by BHS' management for the

:31:44. > :31:47.firm's demise, leaving 11,000 jobs at risk and former staff facing a

:31:48. > :31:56.reduction, a big drop n their pensions. Sexism in professional

:31:57. > :32:02.football. Chelsea football club's former team doctor settles for an

:32:03. > :32:04.undisclosed sum before she was due to give evidence about her former

:32:05. > :32:07.manager, Jose Mourinho. Here's Joanna in the BBC newsroom

:32:08. > :32:12.with a summary of today's news. There are calls for voter

:32:13. > :32:15.registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

:32:16. > :32:19.website suffered serious technical problems in the run-up

:32:20. > :32:22.to last night's deadline. Many would-be voters were unable

:32:23. > :32:25.to log on after 10pm last night, immediately after the end

:32:26. > :32:27.of the latest TV debate. The Government blamed it

:32:28. > :32:29.on "unprecedented demand". The Lib Dem Leader says it would be

:32:30. > :32:42."practical and legal" Well, the danger is if the vote is

:32:43. > :32:46.close in either direction it will leave a cloud of uncertainty over

:32:47. > :32:50.the outcome. The last thing we want for the outcome of this referendum

:32:51. > :32:54.to be unclear. We often said it will be a win or lose, it won't be a

:32:55. > :32:59.draw. We might end up with a situation where this becomes a draw

:33:00. > :33:02.because the margin of victory to be smaller because of the number of

:33:03. > :33:05.people excluded because of a technical glitch.

:33:06. > :33:08.The team who took over BHS before its collapse last week

:33:09. > :33:11.will give evidence to MPs on the Work and Pensions

:33:12. > :33:14.The 88-year-old company was bought by Dominic Chappell from

:33:15. > :33:18.Administrators confirmed last Thursday that a buyer hadn't been

:33:19. > :33:20.found for the retailer, meaning 163 stores would close

:33:21. > :33:35.One executive told MPs he felt he was misled. I think I was duped. I

:33:36. > :33:42.think the technical term is a myth maniac. The lay person's term is it

:33:43. > :33:46.was a Premier League liar and a Sunday pub retailer at best. That's

:33:47. > :33:49.great in hindsight, but at the time, because I particularly wanted to

:33:50. > :33:53.meet Darren and I wanted to meet the management team, highly credible,

:33:54. > :33:57.highly credible turn around plan, it certainly had legs. It needed a lot

:33:58. > :34:00.of things going right, but with cash behind the business, there was no

:34:01. > :34:06.reason why this business could not turn itself around.

:34:07. > :34:08.Victoria will be looking at the issues in depth with an employee of

:34:09. > :34:12.the company and a retail expert. David Cameron and Nigel Farage

:34:13. > :34:15.were forced to defend some of their core policies on the EU

:34:16. > :34:18.when they were subjected to tough questioning from a television

:34:19. > :34:19.audience last night. A Conservative voter accused

:34:20. > :34:22.the Prime Minister of failing to honour his promise to curb

:34:23. > :34:34.immigration while the Ukip leader If we have an Australian-style

:34:35. > :34:39.points system rather than an open door to 508 million people, then

:34:40. > :34:41.actually, it will be better for black people coming into Britain who

:34:42. > :34:46.currently find it very difficult because we have this open door. The

:34:47. > :34:50.biggest risk we can take is to pull out of the EU, pull out of the

:34:51. > :34:52.single market, damage our businesses, damage jobs and there

:34:53. > :34:55.will be fewer opportunities for our children and grandchildren and I say

:34:56. > :34:59.again, I hope that when people do go to vote on 23rd June, they think

:35:00. > :35:02.about their children and grandchildren. They think about the

:35:03. > :35:04.jobs and the opportunities that they want for them. The sort of country

:35:05. > :35:08.we want to build together. US President Barack Obama has

:35:09. > :35:10.congratulated Hillary Clinton for clinching the Democratic

:35:11. > :35:13.presidential nomination after winning primary

:35:14. > :35:15.elections in more States. Her rival, Bernie Sanders,

:35:16. > :35:17.is still refusing to admit defeat. Mrs Clinton told supporters that

:35:18. > :35:20.being the first woman nominated by a major party

:35:21. > :35:22.was an historic moment and took aim at her Republican

:35:23. > :35:38.rival Donald Trump. The Police Watchdog criticised the

:35:39. > :35:42.Sussex force for using a spit hood on an 11-year-old with a mental

:35:43. > :35:48.disability. The girl was detained without the presence of an

:35:49. > :35:51.appropriate adult. The Independent Police Complaints Commission says 11

:35:52. > :35:56.officers have a case to answer over the mistreatment of the girl. Who

:35:57. > :35:58.was held four times and for a total of over 60 hours.

:35:59. > :36:00.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:36:01. > :36:08.Here's the sports headlines now with Hugh.

:36:09. > :36:21.No one wants to get injured prior to a tournament.

:36:22. > :36:23.Kile Lafferty seemed to overstretch his groin on Sunday.

:36:24. > :36:25.Manchester United defender Chris Smalling should be fit

:36:26. > :36:27.for England training today and the match with Russia

:36:28. > :36:33.on Saturday despite a knee injury in yesterday's session.

:36:34. > :36:41.Former Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, is expected to be named

:36:42. > :36:45.He'll replace Alan Stubbs who left for Rotherham having

:36:46. > :36:47.led Hibs to their first Scottish Cup since 1902.

:36:48. > :36:49.Olympic Long Jump Champion Greg Rutherford has had his sperm frozen

:36:50. > :36:52.over fears he could be affected by the Zika virus at this

:36:53. > :36:56.His partner Suzie Verrill says "they don't want to chance"

:36:57. > :37:01.We will have more on the Northern Ireland camp and the 2016 build-up

:37:02. > :37:11.after 10am. I will see you then. What went wrong at BHS?

:37:12. > :37:13.What caused it to collapse? MPs will try to find out this

:37:14. > :37:16.morning when they questioned the man who bought the department store

:37:17. > :37:18.for just ?1 last year. The man is Dominic Chappell who used

:37:19. > :37:22.to be a racing driver, he has been bankrupt three times

:37:23. > :37:26.and had no retail experience. The tycoon Sir Philip Green sold him

:37:27. > :37:29.BHS despite having earlier concerns. Both Philip Green and

:37:30. > :37:31.Dominic Chappell have Sir Philip for paying

:37:32. > :37:37.a ?400 million dividend to his family from the business

:37:38. > :37:41.and over his management of BHS' pension scheme,

:37:42. > :37:46.and Dominic Chappell for sucking management fees out of BHS

:37:47. > :37:47.before its collapse. In total 163 shops will close,

:37:48. > :37:53.up to 11,000 jobs will be lost and pensioners face losing 10%

:37:54. > :37:57.of their retirement income. In a letter to staff yesterday,

:37:58. > :38:04.the BHS operations team claim Dominic Chappell's retail

:38:05. > :38:06.acquisition starved BHS of the funds they needed to turn

:38:07. > :38:14.the business around. One potential financier,

:38:15. > :38:16.Joseph Dryer from RiverRock, told MPs yesterday he walked

:38:17. > :38:20.away from buying BHS because of the problems

:38:21. > :38:35.with the pension fund We were told after we submitted the

:38:36. > :38:42.proposal that the proposal had been rejected. It was surprising to us to

:38:43. > :38:47.say the least, but most importantly, that we had been operating and

:38:48. > :38:51.working on the basis of a misapprehension between Dominic

:38:52. > :38:56.Chappell and Sir Philip. What conversations did you have with Mr

:38:57. > :39:01.Chappell about that? We called him right away and said you don't have a

:39:02. > :39:06.deal. You can imagine he was rather excited and emotional. But at that

:39:07. > :39:10.point, you know, we had been working with him over three weeks and

:39:11. > :39:14.normally when you work with someone over three weeks you get to know

:39:15. > :39:17.them and you build the confidence level that this is something you

:39:18. > :39:23.want to work with. That wasn't exactly the case and so, when we

:39:24. > :39:29.realised that the fundamentals of the transaction upon which

:39:30. > :39:35.everything rested were incorrect and given our growing concerns about the

:39:36. > :39:38.project, we felt the right thing to do was to resign immediately.

:39:39. > :39:41.BHS was founded in the 1920s, and in 2000 Sir Philip Green's

:39:42. > :39:45.Arcadia group bought it for ?200 million But the company

:39:46. > :39:47.started to struggle, and the Top Shop owner

:39:48. > :39:53.Green has said BHS was in good shape when he sold it.

:39:54. > :40:02.It has since been revealed to have had a ?571 million blackhole

:40:03. > :40:08.in the amount of money it's expected to pay out in pensions.

:40:09. > :40:16.It is a terrible outcome for the 11,000 people who must be worried

:40:17. > :40:19.about their jobs. Those who are in the pension scheme or hope to go

:40:20. > :40:23.into the pension scheme, there will be no owner of the pension scheme.

:40:24. > :40:26.So their future looks pretty rough as well. And yet we know from our

:40:27. > :40:37.committee hearings there are some people who have managed to walk away

:40:38. > :40:40.from BHS with huge, huge sums of money, the contrast how well they

:40:41. > :40:43.have done and the pensioners and the workforce must now feel is of

:40:44. > :40:46.extreme contrast. Sir Phillp Green, who also owns

:40:47. > :40:48.Top Shop, Top Man, Wallis, Evans and Dorothy Perkins,

:40:49. > :40:54.is estimated to be worth around His showbiz life which includes

:40:55. > :41:00.owning several superyachts means he's good friends with people

:41:01. > :41:03.like Kate Moss and Simon Cowell. But some MPs are calling for him

:41:04. > :41:16.to be stripped off his knighthood Sir Philip is not fit to lick the

:41:17. > :41:27.boots of these people let alone be a knight of this realm which is

:41:28. > :41:31.provoked me into taking that revoke. Taking dividends from a company that

:41:32. > :41:34.cost them ?200 million can be described as little else, but asset

:41:35. > :41:38.stripping. What matters now is the employees who are dependant on the

:41:39. > :41:42.pension scheme, if it goes into the Pension Protection Fund will lose

:41:43. > :41:47.10%. There are many on these benches who think the minimum that needs to

:41:48. > :41:54.happen is for Philip Green to pay back enough to save them from that.

:41:55. > :41:58.Whilst Sir Philip's former workers contemplate redundancy, he awaits

:41:59. > :42:10.the delivery of a brand-new ?100 million yacht.

:42:11. > :42:19.MPs are talking to current and former bosses of BHS. Richard Pryce,

:42:20. > :42:28.Darren Topp the current Chief Executive of the company and Michael

:42:29. > :42:36.Hitchcock. Let's listen. What was the process? We had a plan that was

:42:37. > :42:39.basically predicated under the existing Arcadia business. So that

:42:40. > :42:44.was the plan we were running with. When the sale of the business was

:42:45. > :42:51.announced, we were asked to present what our turn around plan would be

:42:52. > :42:54.to the retail commission and the rest of their team. It is hard to

:42:55. > :43:04.come up with something new in a week. Mm, a lot of it was a

:43:05. > :43:09.continuation of what we were doing. We thought we were making progress

:43:10. > :43:14.in the business and with investment, you know, we believed that, you

:43:15. > :43:18.know, that we were on the right trajectory. If you're presenting to

:43:19. > :43:22.potential buyers or it is a document that's going to go to potential

:43:23. > :43:27.buyers, you would have had to have had a cash flow forecast involved

:43:28. > :43:31.with that? Yeah. What was that projected cash flow in terms of

:43:32. > :43:38.annual cash requirements? Can you recall? All of the cash flow

:43:39. > :43:41.projections were done as part of the negotiations with the Group. We

:43:42. > :43:46.haven't involved in negotiations... It was a plan with no numbers

:43:47. > :43:50.attached? It was a trading plan. OK. Where did the numbers come from?

:43:51. > :43:58.Sorry, the... Where did the numbers come from? They were our numbers.

:43:59. > :44:01.OK. Thank you. That's current and former executives of BHS talking to

:44:02. > :44:04.the work and pensions Select Committee.

:44:05. > :44:14.Let's talk to Jim McMahon MP who we just saw calling

:44:15. > :44:17.for Sir Philip to be stripped of his knighthood.

:44:18. > :44:20.MP for Oldham West and Royton, Dr Pamela Robinson a retail expert

:44:21. > :44:23.at the University of Birmingham and Mike Williams who worked at BHS

:44:24. > :44:31.How much of a reduction will you see? I could be one of the lucky

:44:32. > :44:36.ones because the company was part of the protection fund and I reached

:44:37. > :44:42.the normal retirement age of the company's pension scheme. I climbed

:44:43. > :44:45.abroad the company's protection scheme lifeboat unfortunately to

:44:46. > :44:50.find it has got a few holes. As a chap who has gone past retirement

:44:51. > :44:54.age, I will get 100% of my current pension, however, I served 33 years

:44:55. > :45:01.in BHS, and the scheme at the present moment states that if you

:45:02. > :45:04.served before 1997, of which I did 30 years before 1997, none of that

:45:05. > :45:08.pension is subject to any inflationary increase. Which will

:45:09. > :45:15.mean a drop in overall terms of what percentage? If you take inflation to

:45:16. > :45:18.be 2% on average over the next 15 years, theoretically, my pension

:45:19. > :45:21.will go down in real terms by 30%. What do you think about that? Well,

:45:22. > :45:27.I'm not particularly happy about it. If you look at the amount of money

:45:28. > :45:31.that you have to put into your pension to subsidise the inflation,

:45:32. > :45:33.I'm going to have to find in the region of ?45,000 of money from

:45:34. > :45:50.somewhere. Who do you blame? I blame Sir Philip

:45:51. > :45:58.Green, you do not take out huge sums of money when you know the business

:45:59. > :46:01.has to have investment. The high street has been struggling right

:46:02. > :46:08.across the country and for the people who work there it is

:46:09. > :46:11.devastating. For more than that it will hit people's confidence and

:46:12. > :46:17.people will look and wonder what the future is both for shopping centres

:46:18. > :46:20.and the traditional British high street. It feels as though the odds

:46:21. > :46:24.are stacked against retailers on the high street doing well. The

:46:25. > :46:29.Government has been slow to address that and they continued to be slow

:46:30. > :46:33.to address that, but this is more fundamental. This is about how we do

:46:34. > :46:39.business and what type of society do we want? Do people play in a fair

:46:40. > :46:43.way to the rules or do they act in their self-interest? The reason why

:46:44. > :46:48.I called for Sir Philip Green to lose his knighthood is that in my

:46:49. > :46:52.view if you have a knighthood, it has a great deal of status in our

:46:53. > :46:56.society, you are leading the country and people look up to you. You have

:46:57. > :47:00.got to put the interests of the country above your personal

:47:01. > :47:05.interests. Sir Philip Green is not leading the country? He was given

:47:06. > :47:13.the honour for his role in leading retail. But in business things go

:47:14. > :47:18.wrong as well as right. This was about the state the DHS was in on

:47:19. > :47:21.the transferred to the new buyer. I cannot understand how anybody who

:47:22. > :47:27.was fair-minded can look at that transfer and say with a pension

:47:28. > :47:32.deficit of ?571 million, having taken more than that out in dividend

:47:33. > :47:36.payments and rental property receives, how anyone could say that

:47:37. > :47:42.was good for the long-term sustainability of that company. He

:47:43. > :47:47.has offered 80 million into that pension black hole. What would you

:47:48. > :47:52.like to see him put into that? The pension deficit stands at ?571

:47:53. > :47:58.million. He has taken more than that out of the company. Quite a big

:47:59. > :48:04.chunk is in Monaco to avoid paying UK tax. That is not illegal. No, but

:48:05. > :48:08.that does not mean it is the moral standard we aspire to in this

:48:09. > :48:12.country. If you are to be a night of the realm, you should put the

:48:13. > :48:16.country's interest above your personal interests. There are a lot

:48:17. > :48:20.of people who will be looking at their future and comparing that to

:48:21. > :48:27.Sir Philip Green taking receipt of his ?100 million yacht. Pam

:48:28. > :48:32.Robertson is a retail expert at the University of Birmingham. What has

:48:33. > :48:36.gone wrong? It is a sad and sorry state, but British home stores has

:48:37. > :48:42.been struggling for over a decade. It was struggling when Sir Philip

:48:43. > :48:47.Green took it over. He used it as a vehicle to acquire the Arcadia group

:48:48. > :48:51.and his attention was taken to the brands of Dorothy Perkins and he

:48:52. > :48:58.created those shopping experiences in the BHS store. He took the other

:48:59. > :49:02.brands into BHS to try and make something out of ladies' fashion.

:49:03. > :49:09.But BHS has not been right. It was launched as the poor man's M and

:49:10. > :49:13.M is struggling themselves in ladies fashion. They are struggling

:49:14. > :49:22.with Zara at the top end and Primark at the bottom end. In a sense BHS

:49:23. > :49:28.has been famous for homeware, schoolwork, school uniforms,

:49:29. > :49:33.babywear, very good on lighting, but what else does it offer in the high

:49:34. > :49:39.street? I do not think BHS Kirin collapse is the demise of the high

:49:40. > :49:43.street. Look at John Lewis and House of Fraser. BHS did not have the

:49:44. > :49:46.right product proposition and has suffered accordingly. Let's you a

:49:47. > :49:57.bit more from the Select Committee hearing. Let's hear about the type

:49:58. > :50:01.of man that Dominic Chappell was. Michael, what was your sense when

:50:02. > :50:11.you arrived as to the cash position of the company and the ability to

:50:12. > :50:17.finance its management? This was my first interaction with Dominic

:50:18. > :50:22.Chappell and like I think many others throughout this process I

:50:23. > :50:27.think I was duped. The technical term is a myth maniac. The

:50:28. > :50:34.layperson's town is he was the Premier League liar and a Sunday pub

:50:35. > :50:38.retailer at best. Well, he is not pulling his punches. That is a

:50:39. > :50:42.description of Dominic Chappell who bought the company for a pound. What

:50:43. > :50:46.do you think of that? A lot will come out through this enquiry and

:50:47. > :50:50.there will be plenty of people who will be looking to complain. My

:50:51. > :50:56.interest is that of Sir Philip Green, and we had BHS has struggled

:50:57. > :51:00.to keep up with the high street and has struggled to keep up with you

:51:01. > :51:04.shoppers, but little wonder when money was taken away from the

:51:05. > :51:08.company when times were good. There was not investment required to make

:51:09. > :51:12.sure it was attractive and that is because people take a very

:51:13. > :51:16.short-term view, putting their self interest first and taking a lot of

:51:17. > :51:19.money out of that company that was generated by the people who worked

:51:20. > :51:26.in the stories and the shoppers who were loyal to the brand, and that

:51:27. > :51:30.has been taken away. 11,000 people will be redundant, but other people

:51:31. > :51:36.enjoyed their multi-billion pound 's lifestyle while other people are

:51:37. > :51:39.left to pick up the pieces. Mike Williams, is a BHS pensioner, what

:51:40. > :51:46.responsibility lies at the door of the man who bought BHS for ?1 who

:51:47. > :51:50.has been described as a Premier League liar? I think he has

:51:51. > :51:55.responsibility and he certainly thought he could run the business

:51:56. > :52:02.and he should have tried much harder to raise cash legitimately if you

:52:03. > :52:09.like and put a business plan together that convinced Sir Philip

:52:10. > :52:16.Green that he could run it properly, but none of that happened. Pam, what

:52:17. > :52:21.responsibility should Dominic Chappell take this? Somebody who

:52:22. > :52:24.could not understand retail was given an opportunity to do something

:52:25. > :52:30.with something that was tired and old. They have some jewels in their

:52:31. > :52:35.crown if they could be sold separately. Nobody would want to

:52:36. > :52:41.take it on as a whole consortium. There is a great site in Oxford

:52:42. > :52:45.Street in London and they have some great sites in other cities. In

:52:46. > :52:49.terms of Dominic Chappell and stability Green, they have not come

:52:50. > :52:53.out of this smelling as roses. They do not show in any way they have

:52:54. > :52:58.been responsible. But we have this problem with what is the high street

:52:59. > :53:02.and the business model and morality and responsibility does not always

:53:03. > :53:06.come into business. Let's hear another clip from the Select

:53:07. > :53:14.Committee hearing. They are talking about secretly hiving off assets. He

:53:15. > :53:19.is the usual for an owner of a company to have a secret plan to

:53:20. > :53:27.hive off assets and then stick you for a bill telling you about it? It

:53:28. > :53:29.is typical of the events that were going on during the Dominic Chappell

:53:30. > :53:34.ownership. There was so much happening above us that we did not

:53:35. > :53:38.know about. Darren was spending 90% of his time trying to govern what

:53:39. > :53:43.was happening above him and not focusing on what was happening in

:53:44. > :53:49.the business. That was the event of what was going on. It was completely

:53:50. > :53:52.extraordinary to say the least. You came to your conclusion that Mr

:53:53. > :53:59.Chappell was a fantasist very quickly. You said within two weeks.

:54:00. > :54:07.I assume you have not ever work for Sir Philip Green. I did not know Sir

:54:08. > :54:14.Philip Green. I ask that because it appears it is only people who are

:54:15. > :54:21.paid by Sir Philip Green on who are consulting to Philip Green that Mr

:54:22. > :54:26.Chappell is a fantasist. I am sat here with the benefit of hindsight,

:54:27. > :54:31.maybe two weeks was a short period to form that conclusion, but based

:54:32. > :54:35.on when I got inside the business and heard from people it became

:54:36. > :54:41.evident that the motives of Mr Chappell were not what you would

:54:42. > :54:46.have expected from shareholder. Extraordinary criticism of the man

:54:47. > :54:51.who bought BHS, that was Michael Hitchcock, a former BHS Executive.

:54:52. > :54:57.More from that Select Committee hearing throughout the morning.

:54:58. > :55:00.Thank you to Jim McMahon, Doctor Pam Robertson, and Mike Williams who

:55:01. > :55:02.worked that DHS for more than 30 years.

:55:03. > :55:06.Coming up: Track and field athlete Tom Bosworth,

:55:07. > :55:08.tells us he's achieved his lifelong dream by qualifying to compete

:55:09. > :55:11.for Great Britain at the Rio Olympics this year.

:55:12. > :55:14.The 26-year-old race walker missed out on representing Team GB by just

:55:15. > :55:24.He came out on this programme last year.

:55:25. > :55:26.Next, sexism in football and what happened at Chelsea.

:55:27. > :55:29.In order to explain the story properly we are going to use

:55:30. > :55:33.If you've got children in the room you might not want them to listen

:55:34. > :55:39.Chelsea Football Club's former team doctor settled her dismissal case

:55:40. > :55:43.for several million pounds yesterday just before she was due to give

:55:44. > :55:45.evidence at an employment tribunal against her former

:55:46. > :55:51.He'd been accused of sexual discrimination over the way

:55:52. > :55:55.he treated Eva Carnerio during Chelsea's first match last season.

:55:56. > :55:59.To Jose Mourinho's anger she and a team physio ran onto

:56:00. > :56:03.the pitch to treat Eden Hazard leaving the team with just nine men

:56:04. > :56:11.Central to the sexism allegation is Eva Carnerio's claim that

:56:12. > :56:15.during the incident she heard Mourinhio say "son of a whore".

:56:16. > :56:19.He insists that he said something very similar which means

:56:20. > :56:26.In the end though they settled their case out of the tribunal.

:56:27. > :56:29.She was given a full apology, praise for her professionalism

:56:30. > :56:31.and a cheque for several million pounds.

:56:32. > :56:34.But what sort of message does this send out to women in football

:56:35. > :56:39.And are remarks like this - whoever's version you believe -

:56:40. > :56:58.We can speak to the founder of the female coaching network who joined

:56:59. > :56:59.us from Lancashire. And we can speak to the first chartered

:57:00. > :57:09.physiotherapist in English football. First of all, what do you think of

:57:10. > :57:15.this case and how it has ended? It is interesting it has ended, it has

:57:16. > :57:22.taken quite a while. As a chartered physio in football this is par for

:57:23. > :57:28.the chorus. That kind of language? Do you mean sexist? When you choose

:57:29. > :57:33.to go to work in football... You have to accept sexism? It is a male

:57:34. > :57:37.dominated profession like it is working in the city and you have to

:57:38. > :57:43.learn special skills to know how to deal with and work with players and

:57:44. > :57:47.managers. Jose Mourinho is a colourful character. I worked at

:57:48. > :57:51.Barnet and was exposed to lots of colourful language and you develop

:57:52. > :57:58.thick skin and learn how to deal with it. Should you have to? No, but

:57:59. > :58:01.in this environment everyone is excited, the game is under pressure

:58:02. > :58:09.and people say things they should not say. Do you accept that? I do

:58:10. > :58:14.accept in sport there is a lot of emotion involved and a lot of ego

:58:15. > :58:19.involved and particularly in a game like the Premier League. A lot of

:58:20. > :58:23.language happens. However, it is unacceptable that somebody who is a

:58:24. > :58:27.highly qualified doctor who has trained for many years walks out on

:58:28. > :58:31.to a pitch in front of thousands of people with millions watching on the

:58:32. > :58:38.TV and gets spoken to the way she did. I understand managers lose

:58:39. > :58:43.their temper, however, managers are there to set standards for the

:58:44. > :58:48.players and to speak to hide the way he did and not apologised after the

:58:49. > :58:53.game is unacceptable. Not just that, she was demoted after that. Should

:58:54. > :58:57.she develop special skills to deal with that? It is tricky because I am

:58:58. > :59:04.not privy to what goes on behind doors. That is a fact. You are

:59:05. > :59:08.right, that is not acceptable. But having worked in that environment

:59:09. > :59:12.you have to understand that that environment is very special and

:59:13. > :59:17.specific. You understand these things go on and it is not correct

:59:18. > :59:25.women learn to develop and work well in this environment. Depending what

:59:26. > :59:28.you read she has either received ?2 million or ?5 million, Eva Carneiro,

:59:29. > :59:32.to end this case and keep it confidential. Some people are asking

:59:33. > :59:38.why it is that much, what do you think? Again she has got her own

:59:39. > :59:44.personal reasons for ending the tribunal when she did. However, this

:59:45. > :59:48.will be a bit of a headache for Jose Mourinho as he starts his new role

:59:49. > :59:51.in Manchester United, and Chelsea football club what this finished and

:59:52. > :59:57.over and done with before the season begins again in August. A club like

:59:58. > :00:02.Chelsea have the power to pay any amount of money to end any

:00:03. > :00:05.situation. Like I say, they will not what this hanging over their heads

:00:06. > :00:13.and they have the power to throw any amount of money at her to end it.

:00:14. > :00:24.Thank you Berry match. -- thank you very much. Still to come: He was a

:00:25. > :00:28.young man travelling the world, but in 1978 John Dewhirst ended up

:00:29. > :00:34.completely by chance becoming one of millions of murder by Cambodia's

:00:35. > :00:38.brutal Khmer Rouge regime. This week in Cambodia the man who ran the

:00:39. > :00:40.prison is due to take the stand in a war crimes tribunal. I will be

:00:41. > :00:54.talking to John's sister. Did you manage to dodge the

:00:55. > :00:58.thunderstorms yesterday? I did! We had some good footage. Some of the

:00:59. > :01:03.heaviest storms affected parts of Brighton towards the South Coast and

:01:04. > :01:09.then these scenes came from southern parts of London. Particularly badly

:01:10. > :01:13.hit were areas around the Croydon area and into Sutton, causing

:01:14. > :01:18.problems for commuters for sure. Some transport disruption there.

:01:19. > :01:21.Looking at the forecast for the next 24 hours or so, we are going to see

:01:22. > :01:25.some further thunderstorms bubbling up as we go through the day today.

:01:26. > :01:29.So after a decent start to the day with sunshine, the clouds will again

:01:30. > :01:32.develop this afternoon to bring some scattered, pretty heavy showers.

:01:33. > :01:35.Now, thunderstorms won't be as widespread. They won't be as heavy

:01:36. > :01:39.as those of yesterday, but because they will be slow moving, they could

:01:40. > :01:42.cause some issues. We start the day with more cloud around than we had

:01:43. > :01:46.yesterday. That cloud started off bringing rain and patches there

:01:47. > :01:49.across south-east England and the London area and damp weather coming

:01:50. > :01:52.into the far north of Scotland too. Aside from that, through the rest of

:01:53. > :01:57.the morning, most of us will have a dry and bright morning with

:01:58. > :02:00.increasing amounts of sunshine. It feels on the humid side. We will

:02:01. > :02:06.start to see the showers develop, some of them will turn out to be

:02:07. > :02:09.really heavy. One or two thunderstorms dotted around across

:02:10. > :02:12.north-west England, but there will be heavy showers as well working in

:02:13. > :02:15.across the Midlands and into central and Southern England and the South

:02:16. > :02:18.East and the London area too. There could be localised surface water

:02:19. > :02:23.flooding from the heaviest downpours. Temperatures, we are

:02:24. > :02:29.looking at highs up to 26 Celsius, but cooler around the North Sea

:02:30. > :02:34.coasts. It should stay dry for Northern Ireland and maybe the odd

:02:35. > :02:37.shower towards Antrim and Down and showers affecting western areas of

:02:38. > :02:41.Scotland. During this evening and overnight,

:02:42. > :02:45.the showers will fade away that bit more quickly than they did last

:02:46. > :02:48.night. Low cloud will come in from the North Sea, coming across central

:02:49. > :02:53.and Eastern Scotland in towards England. Rather misty and murky

:02:54. > :02:56.around the coasts. A fresher feel to things across eastern areas and warm

:02:57. > :03:00.towards the west. Tomorrow's forecast, well, we are looking at a

:03:01. > :03:03.fine start to the day. The cloud will break up. The mist lifting and

:03:04. > :03:08.sunny spells coming through. A few showers. This time mostly affecting

:03:09. > :03:11.parts of Northern England and Scotland and temperatures wise we

:03:12. > :03:13.are looking at highs into the low 20s, peaking at 23 Celsius. That's

:03:14. > :03:18.your latest forecast. Our top story today,

:03:19. > :03:30.the former Chief Executive of BHS, Darren Topp, has accused the man

:03:31. > :03:33.who bought the company before it folded, Dominic Chappell,

:03:34. > :03:42.of having his "fingers in the till". And other executives say they were

:03:43. > :03:51.misled too. The lay person's term is it was a Premier League liar and a

:03:52. > :03:55.Sunday pub league retailer at best. Give me some facts! That's what you

:03:56. > :04:02.have been telling us you want when it comes to trying to make up your

:04:03. > :04:05.mind on how to vote in the EU referendum in two weeks' time. We

:04:06. > :04:10.will try and bring you some of those facts on immigration, economy and

:04:11. > :04:13.the jobs. Plus track and field athlete Tom Boss worth who came out

:04:14. > :04:18.on this programme last year, tells us he has achieved his life long

:04:19. > :04:23.dream by qualifying for the Olympic Games this summer. I don't think it

:04:24. > :04:27.has sunk in yet. It has been a life long dream that I don't think until

:04:28. > :04:31.I'm there will it feel like it is happening, you know.

:04:32. > :04:40.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:04:41. > :04:43.In the last few minutes, the head of the team who took over

:04:44. > :04:45.BHS before its collapse, Dominic Chappell, has been called

:04:46. > :04:48.a "Premier League liar" during evidence to MPs on the Work

:04:49. > :04:57.The 88-year-old company was bought by Mr Chappell from Sir Philip Green

:04:58. > :05:01.Administrators confirmed last Thursday that a buyer hadn't been

:05:02. > :05:03.found for the retailer, meaning 163 stores would close

:05:04. > :05:07.One executive told MPs he felt he was misled.

:05:08. > :05:15.I think I was duped. I think the technical term is a myth maniac. The

:05:16. > :05:20.lay person's term is, he was a Premier League liar and a Sunday pub

:05:21. > :05:24.league retailer at best. Now, that's great in hindsight, but

:05:25. > :05:28.at the time, because I particularly wanted to meet Darren and I wanted

:05:29. > :05:31.to meet the management team, highly credible, highly credible turn

:05:32. > :05:35.around plan that certainly had legs. It needed a lot of things going

:05:36. > :05:37.right, but with cash behind the business, there was no reason why

:05:38. > :05:41.this business could not turn itself around.

:05:42. > :05:43.There are calls from across the political spectrum for voter

:05:44. > :05:47.registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

:05:48. > :05:49.website crashed in the run-up to last night's deadline.

:05:50. > :05:52.Many would-be voters were unable to log on after 10pm last night,

:05:53. > :05:55.immediately after the end of the latest TV debate.

:05:56. > :05:57.The Government blamed it on "unprecedented demand".

:05:58. > :05:59.The Lib Dem Leader says it would be "practical and legal"

:06:00. > :06:13.Well, the danger is that if the vote is close in either direction that

:06:14. > :06:16.will leave a cloud of uncertainty and of illegitimacy over the

:06:17. > :06:20.outcome. The last thing we want for the outcome of the referendum to be

:06:21. > :06:24.unclear. We said it will be a win or lose, it won't be a draw. We might

:06:25. > :06:27.end up in a situation where this effectively becomes a draw because

:06:28. > :06:30.the margin of victory could be smaller than the number of people

:06:31. > :06:34.excluded because of a technical glitch.

:06:35. > :06:36.US President Barack Obama has congratulated Hillary Clinton

:06:37. > :06:37.for clinching the Democratic presidential nomination,

:06:38. > :06:39.after winning primary elections in more States.

:06:40. > :06:41.Her rival, Bernie Sanders, is still refusing to admit defeat.

:06:42. > :06:44.Mrs Clinton told supporters that being the first woman

:06:45. > :06:51.nominated by a major party was an historic moment.

:06:52. > :06:54.The police watchdog has criticised the Sussex force

:06:55. > :06:56.for using handcuffs, leg restraints and a so-called

:06:57. > :06:59.spit-hood on an 11-year-old girl with a severe mental disability.

:07:00. > :07:01.The girl was also detained by police without the presence

:07:02. > :07:09.The Independent Police Complaints Commission says 11 officers

:07:10. > :07:12.have a case to answer for misconduct over the treatment of the girl,

:07:13. > :07:15.who was detained four times and held for a total of 60 hours.

:07:16. > :07:18.The girl's family's solicitor, Gus Silverman, said she was caused

:07:19. > :07:28.distress, and that the use of such restraints is rare.

:07:29. > :07:34.Special schools, health care units up and down the country are dealing

:07:35. > :07:38.every day with children who present challenging behaviour or behaviour

:07:39. > :07:43.which challenges. They would never dream of using handcuffs and leg

:07:44. > :07:47.restraints and spit hoods on those children. So the question then

:07:48. > :07:54.becomes why should the police use those forms of restraint? Now, I

:07:55. > :07:58.think it is really important to know that Sussex Police, they authorised

:07:59. > :08:02.the use of spit hoods, but other large police forces don't.

:08:03. > :08:04.One of the world's most wanted people smugglers,

:08:05. > :08:07.who has been blamed for the deaths of hundreds of migrants, has been

:08:08. > :08:10.Nicknamed "The General", 35-year-old Mered Medhanie from Eirtrea,

:08:11. > :08:13.is accused of being behind the Lampedusa tragedy in 2013

:08:14. > :08:43.Let's go to Rome. Investigators were involved in the hunt for him. They

:08:44. > :08:48.found him through communications da and through intercepts. It is

:08:49. > :08:53.important because in all of this current migration crisis of the last

:08:54. > :08:57.few years, this is the first time that a major smuggler has been

:08:58. > :09:01.caught in Africa and sent to face trial in Italy and prosecutors

:09:02. > :09:05.accuse him of, from their point of view, horrific behaviour, of

:09:06. > :09:09.kidnapping other groups of migrants, putting them on barely sea worthy

:09:10. > :09:12.vessels from North Africa towards Europe and let's bear in mind

:09:13. > :09:16.hundreds and hundreds of people died on the journeys in recent years. It

:09:17. > :09:17.has become the world's most dangerous migrant journey. Thank

:09:18. > :09:26.you, James. I will be back with more at 10.30am.

:09:27. > :09:35.Back to you Victoria. Thank you, Joanna. Lots of you getting in touch

:09:36. > :09:41.about the 11-year-old girl restrained by Sussex Police. They

:09:42. > :09:44.have been criticised by the Police Watchdog for using handcuffs and leg

:09:45. > :09:52.cuffs and the spit hood on president girl. Helen says, "My sympathies lie

:09:53. > :09:55.with the police. Why were they continually called out to deal with

:09:56. > :10:03.this 11-year-old? Who would want to join the police?" Bobby says, "Stop

:10:04. > :10:06.blaming the police. Why were the parents letting the child go along

:10:07. > :10:12.so far without medication knowing things could turn into a sudden

:10:13. > :10:17.behaviour change?" Maggie says, "I'm not defending Sussex Police, however

:10:18. > :10:21.my son has been spat at in his line of work which has meant a series of

:10:22. > :10:25.injections to cope with possible infections." Peter says, "Here we go

:10:26. > :10:28.again, the police officers retiring to avoid any action being taken

:10:29. > :10:33.against them for the way they dealt with this young girl. It really is

:10:34. > :10:37.time this stopped happening." The IPCC, the Police Watchdog,

:10:38. > :10:41.recommended that 11 officers had a case to answer when it came to

:10:42. > :10:43.misconduct charges. Two of those officers have retired. Get in touch

:10:44. > :10:46.with us throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:10:47. > :10:59.and If you text, you will be charged Good morning. If you are like me,

:11:00. > :11:05.you can't wait for the start of Euro 2016.

:11:06. > :11:07.The last thing you'd want is an injury.

:11:08. > :11:09.That could be the case for Northern Ireland

:11:10. > :11:12.Katie Gornall is watching their training session this morning.

:11:13. > :11:26.Katie, what's the latest on kile Lafferty? Kyle Lafferty is here. He

:11:27. > :11:32.is not taking part with the training. He is on an exercise bike.

:11:33. > :11:35.He seems to be in good spirits. He gave a thumb-up to everyone. That

:11:36. > :11:39.will be a good sign for Northern Ireland's fans and for the squads

:11:40. > :11:43.here. Losing Lafferty or Northern Ireland's captain, Steve Davis would

:11:44. > :11:48.have been a worse case scenario for Michael O'Neill. They were reliant

:11:49. > :11:51.on Lafferty, his seven goals were crucial to their qualification.

:11:52. > :11:55.There was a lot of concern yesterday when he fell here and went down,

:11:56. > :11:59.apparently with a groin injury when he stretched for the ball and limped

:12:00. > :12:03.out of training, but Michael O'Neill after the training session was keen

:12:04. > :12:06.to play down any fears, he says it wasn't anything major and he expects

:12:07. > :12:13.him to be fit for Northern Ireland's opening game against Poland on

:12:14. > :12:17.Sunday in Nice. Should any small fears be realised, he will be

:12:18. > :12:21.replaced by Conor Washington and it would mark a remarkable story,

:12:22. > :12:24.wouldn't it? Conor Washington is a great story, Hugh. The headlines

:12:25. > :12:29.today, Conor Washington ready to deliver. Just four years ago, he was

:12:30. > :12:33.working as a postman and playing in the Conference for St Ives. He said

:12:34. > :12:36.when he was asked about it, yesterday in a press conference, is

:12:37. > :12:42.still pinching himself being here. He admitted he didn't get to watch a

:12:43. > :12:45.lot of Euro 2004 because he early starts as a postman and he couldn't

:12:46. > :12:48.watch the games. Now he is here with Northern Ireland. He was a late

:12:49. > :12:53.call-up to the squad really. He only made his debut in March, but he

:12:54. > :12:59.impressed enough scoring on his debut for Michael O'Neill to feel he

:13:00. > :13:05.deserves a chance in France. He included him in the squad.

:13:06. > :13:08.Washington cites Jamie Vardy as an inspiration to him and in terms of

:13:09. > :13:11.hue he climbed through the League. Washington has come a long way in

:13:12. > :13:14.the past four years. You could say the same of Northern Ireland, of

:13:15. > :13:19.course, how far they've come in the past four years to be here against

:13:20. > :13:22.the odds in France ready to take part in their first major tournament

:13:23. > :13:26.in 30 years. Katie, thank you very much.

:13:27. > :13:28.England's defender Chris Smalling is expected to train today,

:13:29. > :13:31.despite limping out of the team bus with a strapped knee yesterday.

:13:32. > :13:33.He's likely to be fit for their first match

:13:34. > :13:41.Long jumper Greg Rutherford has frozen his sperm over fears he may

:13:42. > :13:43.be affected by the Zika virus at this summer's

:13:44. > :13:49.The virus is known to cause birth defects and although Rutherford

:13:50. > :13:52.already has a son with partner, Suzie Verrill, she wrote

:13:53. > :13:54.in the Evening Standard that "she wouldn't want to be

:13:55. > :13:56.in a situation which could have been prevented."

:13:57. > :14:03.We'll be back with more sport later in the programme.

:14:04. > :14:17.Downing Street says it is looking at whether the voter registration can

:14:18. > :14:22.be extended. After the problems last night affected voter registration.

:14:23. > :14:26.For those of you who are registered and undecided, a lot of you are

:14:27. > :14:30.saying it is impossible to make a decision because both sides are

:14:31. > :14:34.making such wild claims. So it is impossible to work out the facts. It

:14:35. > :14:38.is something so many of you have said to us over and over again and

:14:39. > :14:41.it came up on Monday when we held our audience debate in Manchester on

:14:42. > :14:45.the EU referendum. I'm just really, really frustrated

:14:46. > :14:48.with the whole thing. We have got politicians on both sides behaving

:14:49. > :14:51.like children in a playground. They are slinging things at each other we

:14:52. > :14:57.are not getting any concrete information. I don't know h we're

:14:58. > :15:00.supposed to make a decision and it is a really important decision and

:15:01. > :15:04.it is not just our futures, it is our children's futures as well. What

:15:05. > :15:07.I heard from this side, if Cameron is speaking and what I heard from

:15:08. > :15:16.this side is what Boris Johnson is saying. So in a way, I'm not wiser

:15:17. > :15:20.today. The politicians normally do convince you good, when they can't

:15:21. > :15:24.confuse you, they scare you, that's what happened. No facts we know

:15:25. > :15:28.today that make up my mind. Because the fraus strayings is borne out

:15:29. > :15:33.what seems to be a lot of one sided arguments where all we get is

:15:34. > :15:39.scaremongering tactics. Nobody is allowed to reply with the facts and

:15:40. > :15:42.when facts are presented, they are trying to be dismissed as not

:15:43. > :15:45.factual. When the evidence is there and you can research it on the

:15:46. > :15:50.internet. We never seem to get any hard facts.

:15:51. > :15:53.Do you know what I really want to hear is the problemality of

:15:54. > :15:57.something happening, or something not happening. The politicians just

:15:58. > :16:09.keep using the words, "Could and may."

:16:10. > :16:15.People here have not heard anything that will convince them one way or

:16:16. > :16:20.If you want to watch that programme again you can do so on the iPlayer.

:16:21. > :16:23.But for the next few minutes we're going to try and give

:16:24. > :16:26.you some of those facts, as best we can, on the biggest

:16:27. > :16:28.issues surrounding the referendum from a group of leading experts

:16:29. > :16:31.who can all say that they are 100% impartial on the issue

:16:32. > :16:34.of whether Britain should stay in or leave the European Union.

:16:35. > :16:37.With us in the studio - Will Moy from Full Fact,

:16:38. > :16:39.a group fact checking the referendum claims of both leave and remain

:16:40. > :16:43.and Professor Anand Menon who is the director

:16:44. > :16:46.of the Kings College group 'UK in a changing Europe.

:16:47. > :16:50.First of all, let's just address the issue of impartiality

:16:51. > :16:52.and whether or not our audience should believe you over politicians.

:16:53. > :17:06.We have been fact checking since 2010 on all kinds of issues, not

:17:07. > :17:10.just the EU referendum. We are fact checking the referendum because of

:17:11. > :17:15.over 1000 crowd funders who made it possible to do this work. But we are

:17:16. > :17:19.not asking you to take our word for this. We have a website and you can

:17:20. > :17:25.look at that and judge things for yourselves. We are group of

:17:26. > :17:31.academics whose interest is to allow who know what is being said. We are

:17:32. > :17:38.not campaigning for one side or the other. Let's start with immigration.

:17:39. > :17:42.The Leave Campaign say it is impossible to control immigration

:17:43. > :17:46.from within the European Union. The remaining campaign say it is good

:17:47. > :17:52.for the economy and those from the EU pay more in taxes than they take

:17:53. > :17:57.out. Who is right? It is certainly the case that while we are in the EU

:17:58. > :18:02.you are bound to freedom of movement where anybody can live and work and

:18:03. > :18:07.study in any other EU country, so we cannot control the numbers of people

:18:08. > :18:12.who come here. That is a fair point to make. Immigration for the rest of

:18:13. > :18:16.the world, we have a say over how we control that. On the economic point

:18:17. > :18:22.this is where you cannot actually say definitely this is exactly what

:18:23. > :18:28.is going on. A lot of the issues here are aware there is uncertainty.

:18:29. > :18:33.A lot of different studies, but basically they come out as saying it

:18:34. > :18:38.does not make that much difference to our public finances, immigration,

:18:39. > :18:41.one way or another. It is probably a bit positive. Immigration from the

:18:42. > :18:47.EU is better for as economically than from the rest of the world.

:18:48. > :18:52.Immigration of people coming recently is probably a bit better

:18:53. > :18:57.economically. What would you add? Most of the migration to this

:18:58. > :19:00.country is non-EU, which we can control. In terms of the economics

:19:01. > :19:06.it is worth distinguishing between the macro and the local. EU

:19:07. > :19:11.migration is good for the economy as a whole, but equally you get areas

:19:12. > :19:14.of the country where you get particular concentrations of

:19:15. > :19:19.migration where there are problems with schools, hospitals and GPs like

:19:20. > :19:25.that. There is a distinction between the lived experience of people. Will

:19:26. > :19:29.there be less pressure on public services and more jobs for British

:19:30. > :19:37.people if the UK leaves the European Union? That would depend on what our

:19:38. > :19:40.policy on migration is. It is conceivable we could leave the

:19:41. > :19:44.European Union and have the same number of migrants. Equally we could

:19:45. > :19:51.leave the European Union and control our borders more fiercely. The Leave

:19:52. > :19:58.Campaign say they would introduce a points system which they say would

:19:59. > :20:03.help control migration. Again, a points system is great in principle,

:20:04. > :20:07.it depends what scores you require. Australia gets more migration than

:20:08. > :20:11.us. You could devise a points system that was tight or lose, but what we

:20:12. > :20:15.do not know is what a future Government would do.

:20:16. > :20:20.We have control over who comes here from the rest of the world and we

:20:21. > :20:24.have not reduced that dramatically, so we are talking about assuming we

:20:25. > :20:29.would make a significant change to the immigration policy that we are

:20:30. > :20:33.ready have. But he is right on that, it is about your job, it is not

:20:34. > :20:40.about jobs generally. That is the real story. On jobs, unemployment is

:20:41. > :20:44.over 10% in the EU, double the rate of the UK. The remaining campaign

:20:45. > :20:49.say 3 million jobs in the UK are linked to trade with the EU. The

:20:50. > :20:54.Leave Campaign say they could create more jobs if we left because there

:20:55. > :20:59.would be less regulation, less burdensome regulations in the

:21:00. > :21:05.workplace. There are a variety of things. I think the figure is

:21:06. > :21:09.slightly higher, more than 3 million, but they use that formula

:21:10. > :21:15.linked to. It is extremely unlikely if we left that those jobs would go.

:21:16. > :21:18.Those jobs depend on trade with other European countries. There is

:21:19. > :21:23.no suggestion from the Leave Campaign that if we leave the EU, we

:21:24. > :21:26.will stop trading. There is an implication in the way that phrase

:21:27. > :21:32.is used that maybe these jobs will be in danger if we left and I do not

:21:33. > :21:36.think it is true. That is right, nobody has done those calculations

:21:37. > :21:41.about leaving. People are saying some jobs are on the lane and most

:21:42. > :21:45.economists believe we will be worse off if we leave the EU, there will

:21:46. > :21:48.be a price to pay. It is when they start putting precise numbers on it

:21:49. > :21:54.that you have to start raising your eyebrows. What about if the Leave

:21:55. > :21:59.Campaign says if we left, there would be less regulation in our

:22:00. > :22:04.workplace and businesses would be free to create jobs. You are

:22:05. > :22:08.smiling. I am smiling because I feel for your viewers and we are meant to

:22:09. > :22:12.be giving them the facts and this is an area we do not know what the

:22:13. > :22:17.Government after a Brexit would do. There are no facts about the future.

:22:18. > :22:22.It would be possible should we decide to do so to scrap every piece

:22:23. > :22:26.of legislation on our statute books. It would take decades. There is no

:22:27. > :22:30.indication of future Government would want to do that. That is one

:22:31. > :22:34.of the frustrations about this campaign, a lot of it is about

:22:35. > :22:37.things that would happen in the future and promises being made by

:22:38. > :22:43.people who are not leading our Government now and we do not know if

:22:44. > :22:46.they will in the future. In the audience debate on Monday in the end

:22:47. > :22:52.I was saying, you will have to make a judgment call. The cost of being a

:22:53. > :23:02.member of the EU, last year Britain paid 17.8 billion to the EU. We got

:23:03. > :23:05.back 4.9 billion in the rebate. Another 4.4 billion for farm

:23:06. > :23:13.subsidies, for grants to pull regions of the UK. Is that correct?

:23:14. > :23:18.Those are the right set of figures. You are more familiar about hearing

:23:19. > :23:23.about the ?350 million a week that has been emblazoned on buses by the

:23:24. > :23:30.Leeds side will stop what is going on here is that we would pay ?350

:23:31. > :23:37.million a week to the EU, if we did not have a rebate. We do not pay a

:23:38. > :23:43.rebate to the EU and get it back, we do not get it back. The funds are

:23:44. > :23:49.transferred from Britain to the EU. We sent ?250 million every week and

:23:50. > :23:54.they spend some money back in the UK and that would be about ?85 million

:23:55. > :24:00.a week that they spend in the UK. They are spending it, not the UK

:24:01. > :24:07.Government. We might choose to spend it differently. Whilst this debate

:24:08. > :24:10.about our contribution is interesting, we need to see it in a

:24:11. > :24:16.broader light because what the contribution gets us is access to

:24:17. > :24:21.the market. The gains we have from being in the market dwarf the

:24:22. > :24:25.contribution we pay. Do not think about the membership fee we pay,

:24:26. > :24:30.think about what we get for that membership fee as well. Whilst it is

:24:31. > :24:35.laudable for all those people to say we want facts, politics is not about

:24:36. > :24:38.facts, it is about gut feelings as well and on a certain point you

:24:39. > :24:42.might think why are we giving hundreds of millions of pounds away

:24:43. > :24:52.and that might be what you feel. Fats are a guide, but emotion is

:24:53. > :24:59.central to politics as well. Remains a the benefits outweigh the costs.

:25:00. > :25:04.You have said that. We have talked about the ?350 million. Let me ask

:25:05. > :25:11.you about security. Is Britain more on less at risk of a terrorist

:25:12. > :25:17.attack inside or outside the EU? That is a horrible question to ask

:25:18. > :25:19.you. How would you answer that is working for an impartial

:25:20. > :25:27.organisation when we are trying to deliver only facts? The people who

:25:28. > :25:30.know best whether we are at risk of terror attacks know things the rest

:25:31. > :25:35.of us do not know. It has been interesting as a fact checker

:25:36. > :25:39.hearing heads of MI5 and MI6 pop up and give their opinion on this. You

:25:40. > :25:43.cannot second-guess that because they know things we cannot know and

:25:44. > :25:49.they have re-sources we cannot check for ourselves. There is a lot of

:25:50. > :25:53.cooperation within the European Union on law enforcement matters and

:25:54. > :25:56.there are things like the European arrest warrant and intelligence

:25:57. > :26:02.sharing. There is a question about if we leave, does all that

:26:03. > :26:06.disappear? You can look at Norway which is not a member of the

:26:07. > :26:13.European Union, which is negotiating something like the European arrest

:26:14. > :26:17.warrant to suggest there would be ways of trying to get similar kinds

:26:18. > :26:23.of cooperation if we were not in the EU. You would think that would be in

:26:24. > :26:26.everybody's interest. But all of that is what might happen, what

:26:27. > :26:33.might be negotiated and what expert do you trust? I want to ask about

:26:34. > :26:38.travel because it came up in a debate on BBC One and it has come up

:26:39. > :26:43.in your own organisations, whether or not if Britain left the EU that

:26:44. > :26:47.it would be less easy than it is now to get up, book a cheap flights and

:26:48. > :26:53.go to somewhere in Europe. What would you say? With apologies I

:26:54. > :26:58.would say possibly, but we do not know. It depends on the deal we get.

:26:59. > :27:04.If we do not remain part of the single market, it depends on what

:27:05. > :27:09.the Government does. We could leave the single market altogether, so we

:27:10. > :27:15.are not covered by the provisions of free-roaming in the EU. Our mobile

:27:16. > :27:20.phone operators might say, we will look bad if we ignore it, so we will

:27:21. > :27:24.keep it in place. You are trying to predict what an awful lot of people

:27:25. > :27:29.are going to do under certain eventualities. That is not a great

:27:30. > :27:34.answer for your viewers, but that is the truth. I like the truth. We

:27:35. > :27:40.cannot say what the outcome will be, but we can say what process will be

:27:41. > :27:47.kicked off. When the Government tells the EU we are going to leave,

:27:48. > :27:52.there is a two year period in which we negotiate the details of the

:27:53. > :27:56.exit. In that set of decisions is a big choice, which is does the UK

:27:57. > :28:01.what to say part of the European Union single market or not. You can

:28:02. > :28:05.leave the EU and stay part of the market like Norway. There is a

:28:06. > :28:10.trade-off, which is Norway accepts laws from the EU and free movement

:28:11. > :28:14.of people from the EU and it contributes money to EU countries,

:28:15. > :28:21.but Norway gets the benefits of a single market and free travel and

:28:22. > :28:25.market access. Or we can go all the way out and we get the control over

:28:26. > :28:31.immigration and laws and we do not get some of those economic benefits

:28:32. > :28:35.that people talk about and most economists would say it exists. That

:28:36. > :28:38.is a big choice we would have to be made after we have made our choice

:28:39. > :28:45.about whether we want to leave or not. This is the calmest

:28:46. > :28:46.conversation I have heard about the EU since campaigning began. Thank

:28:47. > :29:07.you very much. Let's go back to the DHS, the former

:29:08. > :29:12.chief Executive of the company, Darren Topp, has accused the man who

:29:13. > :29:17.bought it, Dominic Chappell, of having his fingers in the till. He

:29:18. > :29:22.is giving evidence to a Select Committee about the collapse of the

:29:23. > :29:29.retail chain with the loss of 11,000 jobs. Mr Chappell is due to give

:29:30. > :29:33.evidence in half an hour's time. Rosanna says without doubt Sir

:29:34. > :29:36.Philip Green should be stripped of his knighthood. He sold the company

:29:37. > :29:42.to a totally inexperienced buyer and would not be aware what he was

:29:43. > :29:46.taking on. Green just wanted to get rid of the company and he should

:29:47. > :29:52.ensure all 11,000 employees have a full pension payoffs. Another viewer

:29:53. > :29:57.says, Philip Green needs to be stripped of his knighthood and made

:29:58. > :30:01.to pay back his staff. For too long past and present governments have

:30:02. > :30:06.paid lip service to ordinary people whilst big business treat employees

:30:07. > :30:11.like this. We can bring you more of the evidence. Darren Topp explained

:30:12. > :30:16.it was true that Dominic Chappell try to take ?1.5 million from the

:30:17. > :30:24.company. By initial reaction if I am honest was to call the police. That

:30:25. > :30:30.is a substantial amount of money and this was when we were at the end of

:30:31. > :30:38.the process. I said, Harry, because I know the other director is

:30:39. > :30:41.Swedish, before we called the police, let me ring Dominick. I rang

:30:42. > :30:48.him and he knew about it straightaway. I said to him that is

:30:49. > :30:54.theft. If I take out all the expletive is, he basically said do

:30:55. > :30:58.not kick off about this, Darren, I have had enough of you telling me

:30:59. > :31:02.what to do over the last few months, it is my business, I can do what I

:31:03. > :31:07.want. If you kick off about it I will come down there and kill you.

:31:08. > :31:14.He threatens to kill me again and I know it sounds silly, but apparently

:31:15. > :31:21.he says he was in the helicopter squad of the SAS, there was a little

:31:22. > :31:24.bit of me that thought he would threaten me and I said I would call

:31:25. > :31:31.the police. Still to come, he was a young man

:31:32. > :31:43.travelling the world, but in 1978, British man

:31:44. > :31:45.John Dewhirst, ended up, completely by chance,

:31:46. > :31:47.becoming one of millions murdered by Cambodia's brutal

:31:48. > :31:49.Khmer Rouge regime. This week, in Cambodia,

:31:50. > :31:51.the man that ran the prison is due to take the stand

:31:52. > :31:54.in a war crimes tribunal. I'll be talking to Hilary Holland,

:31:55. > :32:01.John Dewhirst's sister. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:32:02. > :32:12.with a summary of today's news. The head of the team that took over

:32:13. > :32:16.BHS has been called a Premier League liar during evidence to MPs on the

:32:17. > :32:23.Work and Pensions Committee. The 88-year-old company was bought by Mr

:32:24. > :32:35.Chappell from Sir Philip Green for a pound last year. One executive told

:32:36. > :32:41.MPs he felt he was misled. I think I was duped. I think the technical

:32:42. > :32:45.term is a myth maniac. The lay person's term is he was a Premier

:32:46. > :32:51.League liar and a Sunday pub league retailer at best. Now, that's great

:32:52. > :32:55.in hindsight, but at the time because I particularly wanted to

:32:56. > :32:59.meet Darren and I wanted to meet the management team, highly credible,

:33:00. > :33:02.highly credible turn around plan. It certainly had legs, it needed a lot

:33:03. > :33:05.of things going right, but with cash behind the business, there was no

:33:06. > :33:10.reason why this business could not turn itself around.

:33:11. > :33:12.There are calls from across the political spectrum for voter

:33:13. > :33:15.registration for the EU referendum to be extended after the official

:33:16. > :33:19.website crashed in the run up to last night's deadline.

:33:20. > :33:21.Many would-be voters were unable to log

:33:22. > :33:25.immediately after the end of the latest TV debate.

:33:26. > :33:27.The Government blamed it on "unprecedented demand".

:33:28. > :33:29.US President Barack Obama has congratulated Hillary Clinton

:33:30. > :33:30.for clinching the Democratic presidential nomination,

:33:31. > :33:32.after winning primary elections in more States.

:33:33. > :33:34.Her rival, Bernie Sanders, is still refusing to admit defeat.

:33:35. > :33:37.Mrs Clinton told supporters that being the first woman

:33:38. > :33:49.nominated by a major party was an historic moment.

:33:50. > :33:51.One of the world's most wanted people smugglers,

:33:52. > :33:54.who has been blamed for the deaths of hundreds of migrants, has been

:33:55. > :33:58.Nicknamed "The General", 35-year-old Mered Medhanie from Eirtrea,

:33:59. > :34:00.is accused of being behind the Lampedusa tragedy in 2013

:34:01. > :34:05.in which at least 359 people died.

:34:06. > :34:07.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:34:08. > :34:24.The sport, here is Hugh. Kyle Lafferty has eased concerns over his

:34:25. > :34:30.fitness concerns. He was on an exercise bike this morning after

:34:31. > :34:34.injuring a groin yesterday. Chris Smalling should be fit for England

:34:35. > :34:38.training today and for the match with Russia on Saturday despite a

:34:39. > :34:44.knee injury. Neil Lennon is expected to be named as the new boss of Hibs

:34:45. > :34:55.today. He will replace Alan Stubbs who left for Rotherham.

:34:56. > :35:04.Greg Rutherford has had his sperm frozen over fears he to be affected

:35:05. > :35:08.by the ze ka virus. His partner says they don't want to have any future

:35:09. > :35:12.problems. This morning track and field

:35:13. > :35:14.athlete Tom Bosworth, who you may remember came out

:35:15. > :35:17.on this programme last year, tells us he's achieved his lifelong

:35:18. > :35:19.dream by qualifying to compete for Great Britain at

:35:20. > :35:24.the Rio Olympics this year. The 26-year-old race walker missed

:35:25. > :35:27.out on representing Team GB by just 19 seconds four years ago in 2012,

:35:28. > :35:29.but this weekend secured the qualifying time needed

:35:30. > :35:32.for Rio by finishing first We'll be following his progress

:35:33. > :35:37.in Rio on this programme Before we hear from him again

:35:38. > :35:42.this is what he told I'm here to speak publicly

:35:43. > :35:46.for the first time about my sexuality and to the public I am

:35:47. > :35:50.going to come out. To my family and friends

:35:51. > :35:52.this is no surprise, but I felt now was the right time

:35:53. > :35:57.to speak publicly about this. Now I am at a higher level

:35:58. > :36:03.and I have had a lot of interest in social media, mostly to do

:36:04. > :36:06.with sport, but I often do get I've been comfortable

:36:07. > :36:18.in my sexuality and in a really happy relationship for the last four

:36:19. > :36:21.and a half years, so this isn't But to speak out about this

:36:22. > :36:25.being a sportsman it's I am sat with you here today,

:36:26. > :36:34.so I guess it is still news, but in a few years' time I can see

:36:35. > :36:38.this being just anybody else, like anybody can succeed in sport

:36:39. > :36:43.and if more people can come out, Since that interview Tom Bosworth

:36:44. > :36:58.tells us a number of people have confided in him

:36:59. > :36:59.about their sexuality. And he's still looking forward

:37:00. > :37:02.to the day he says when someone's But he started by telling me

:37:03. > :37:06.about qualifying for the Olympics. I don't think it's

:37:07. > :37:08.quite sunk in yet. It's been a lifelong dream that

:37:09. > :37:10.I don't think pretty much until I'm there,

:37:11. > :37:12.will it actually feel Tell our audience how

:37:13. > :37:21.you were feeling before that race. I think I was more nervous before

:37:22. > :37:24.that race than any other race. I felt confident that

:37:25. > :37:29.I should win the race. I've been number one in Britain

:37:30. > :37:37.for a good few years now. It's the whole formality

:37:38. > :37:39.of going through 20k, That would have been silly for me

:37:40. > :37:43.to think I've got this easily. It was just, I had to do

:37:44. > :37:46.a job, and that I did. You missed out on London

:37:47. > :37:48.four years ago. How much does it mean to hopefully

:37:49. > :37:51.represent Team GB this summer? Ah yes, I don't have

:37:52. > :37:57.words to explain it. Four years ago I missed out, as you

:37:58. > :38:00.say, and just by a few seconds. I think I spent a week crying

:38:01. > :38:06.in bed because literally, Now, an Olympic Games

:38:07. > :38:14.is still an Olympic Games and I'm What happens in terms

:38:15. > :38:22.of your training schedule over A lot more training.

:38:23. > :38:31.We've come off the race. Yeah, big mileage now, before we go

:38:32. > :38:34.to altitude where we'll have Yeah, that will take us right up

:38:35. > :38:38.to the Olympics and we will fly When you are race walking for 20km,

:38:39. > :38:44.what is it that's going You know every step

:38:45. > :38:49.is always about technique Yeah, we don't listen to music

:38:50. > :38:53.or anything like that, My coach is always

:38:54. > :38:58.commenting on technique. Yeah, I've got training partners

:38:59. > :39:01.which makes the time go There's always a background noise

:39:02. > :39:07.in the run-up to any Olympics, but the background noise with Rio

:39:08. > :39:10.is concerns over the Zika virus We've had Russia won't be there,

:39:11. > :39:17.a total ban for them, retesting of doping samples

:39:18. > :39:19.from the Beijing Games. First of all the Zika virus,

:39:20. > :39:22.it's not going to affect you personally, but do

:39:23. > :39:25.you worry about those things? The media has made it clear

:39:26. > :39:33.that these things are there, and it's a major problem

:39:34. > :39:36.for that part of the world. I also trust in the people

:39:37. > :39:39.who are organising it I don't believe they would put

:39:40. > :39:48.anybody's life at risk without going through the correct

:39:49. > :39:50.procedure to start with. We've got to trust in these people,

:39:51. > :39:53.they're not just organising And in terms of cheating

:39:54. > :40:02.on the track during the Games, the International Association

:40:03. > :40:04.of Athletics Federations is the official body supposed

:40:05. > :40:08.to govern track and field events, do you have confidence in them

:40:09. > :40:11.to crack down on doping? Again, they are currently doing

:40:12. > :40:16.a very tough job of trying to out those people that have been cheating

:40:17. > :40:18.for a very long time. You know, it's all coming out

:40:19. > :40:22.in the media now, and we are seeing one article after another

:40:23. > :40:25.about another cheat and so on. But actually, that's what we need

:40:26. > :40:29.to happen for us to move on. When I stand on that start line

:40:30. > :40:33.in Rio, I know most of those people on that start line,

:40:34. > :40:38.and I think I trust them. I wouldn't want to

:40:39. > :40:40.think any other way. I'm happy to go out there and be

:40:41. > :40:44.the best I can be and know When we spoke to you in October last

:40:45. > :40:49.year, you told our audience You are the second track and field

:40:50. > :40:52.athlete to do so, I was expecting, even

:40:53. > :41:03.a little bit of slight Not everybody sees the world

:41:04. > :41:09.through my eyes and the same eyes as most people,

:41:10. > :41:11.I'd like to think. The only negativity that came

:41:12. > :41:22.across was people saying things like, this isn't a story,

:41:23. > :41:24.why do we care? That didn't bother me,

:41:25. > :41:26.that's exactly how I I wonder if you feel a certain

:41:27. > :41:32.responsibility now as Yeah, I don't think I'd realised

:41:33. > :41:39.quite the responsibility that I'm having to take that

:41:40. > :41:48.on and I'm proud, actually. It's something that I realised quite

:41:49. > :41:51.quickly, I do have a responsibility, whether I can support and help one

:41:52. > :41:53.person or 100 people, That is to me personally,

:41:54. > :41:59.not everybody might think like that, I did that last October

:42:00. > :42:05.and now I have to deal I wonder, how far you think

:42:06. > :42:21.we are away from other current contemporaries of

:42:22. > :42:22.yours to coming out? That's a question I just can't

:42:23. > :42:27.answer. I have literally no idea

:42:28. > :42:29.because hopefully it won't be a thing that you have to come out

:42:30. > :42:32.publicly, you can just live openly. Has anyone so far confided

:42:33. > :42:37.in you since you revealed your news? Not within sport, but some

:42:38. > :42:39.other people have. People are telling you private

:42:40. > :42:52.information about their lives Yes, that's exactly

:42:53. > :42:59.what made me realise, hold on, I've got

:43:00. > :43:00.a responsibility here, As I say, it makes me proud to be

:43:01. > :43:09.able to help just one person. So, how do you think

:43:10. > :43:12.you are going to do in Rio? I'm not putting a number

:43:13. > :43:15.on it publicly. I finished 24th in Beijing

:43:16. > :43:20.at the World Championships last year, I wasn't happy

:43:21. > :43:27.with that whatsoever. And so, minimum is better than 24th,

:43:28. > :43:30.but after the season I've had, I've broken records and won international

:43:31. > :43:34.races for the first time. I'm going in with confidence that

:43:35. > :43:38.if the next two months can be a good block of training,

:43:39. > :43:41.I can go in there in the best possible shape I can be,

:43:42. > :43:46.and finish a lot higher. Times on championship days

:43:47. > :43:51.are always difficult It's right down to what happens

:43:52. > :43:59.on the day. Sometimes races can be won a lot

:44:00. > :44:01.slower than most people's I would like to do 20km

:44:02. > :44:11.in about 1hr 20 again. My PB puts me right up

:44:12. > :44:14.there close to the medals, if I can get that sort

:44:15. > :44:16.of level of performance. I'm just going to try and go

:44:17. > :44:19.there and do my best. Tom, we wish you the very best

:44:20. > :44:22.of luck, hope it goes Obviously we are going to follow

:44:23. > :44:26.your progress and hopefully we'll talk to you when you're

:44:27. > :44:28.out there as well. .

:44:29. > :44:51.Tom Bosworth. The I The force said it carried out.

:44:52. > :44:55.The girl can't be identified. Her mother described her treatment as

:44:56. > :45:04.horrific. Here, her words are spoken for her.

:45:05. > :45:06.I've never seen anything like it in my life.

:45:07. > :45:08.It was for me, as a mother, like watching...

:45:09. > :45:10.I couldn't see any child like that, you know?

:45:11. > :45:13.It would be extremely disturbing to see any child like that.

:45:14. > :45:16.But to see your own child shackled up with leg restraints

:45:17. > :45:18.and handcuffed behind the back, behind her back with a spit

:45:19. > :45:20.hood over her head, was a worst nightmare.

:45:21. > :45:25.It was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen and I will never get

:45:26. > :45:38.The family's solicitor told us what happened. My client's mother was

:45:39. > :45:43.well used to caring for her daughter and she knew her temper tantrums

:45:44. > :45:48.would pass. But police officer turned up and used handcuffs and leg

:45:49. > :45:54.restraints and a food and they took her to a police station and she was

:45:55. > :45:57.detained cumulatively for over 60 hours. That experience meant that my

:45:58. > :46:04.client was not able to calm down. She was in an entirely alien

:46:05. > :46:08.environment and her mother was not there and this was not an

:46:09. > :46:14.environment in which a child with this kind of disability was ever

:46:15. > :46:20.going to calm down. Thank you for getting in touch. This is from

:46:21. > :46:25.somebody calling themselves Lord Elwyn and they say my daughter has

:46:26. > :46:29.depression and sometimes self harms and the treatment meted out to her

:46:30. > :46:33.by our local hospital and the police has been disgraceful. The staff at

:46:34. > :46:37.the hospital have no idea how to treat her and their solution was to

:46:38. > :46:42.have her manhandled by the police to remove her from the hospital. On

:46:43. > :46:46.another occasion she was placed in a cell as a place of safety and in

:46:47. > :46:51.neither case where the appropriate crisis team is called. This has to

:46:52. > :46:56.get better. Cecilia says, what are the policemen to do if they are

:46:57. > :46:58.called out to an aggressive individual? They are right to

:46:59. > :47:04.protect themselves and the child in question. Where they have gone wrong

:47:05. > :47:15.is not allowing the mother or a support worker to see her. My

:47:16. > :47:20.daughters were on the train and were tackled by four police each, slammed

:47:21. > :47:23.up against a wall and handcuffed behind their backs. They were held

:47:24. > :47:28.for ten hours in separate cells without adult supervision. The

:47:29. > :47:33.police used force when it was simply not called for. Thank you.

:47:34. > :47:36.He was a young man travelling the world, but in 1978,

:47:37. > :47:38.British man John Dewhirst, ended up, completely by chance,

:47:39. > :47:40.becoming one of millions murdered by Cambodia's brutal

:47:41. > :47:46.Pol Pot's army had set up prison camps across the country,

:47:47. > :47:48.and after the boat John was sailing in strayed off course,

:47:49. > :47:51.he was captured and taken to the most notorious one of all,

:47:52. > :48:00.This week, in Cambodia, the man that ran the prison

:48:01. > :48:04.is due to take the stand in a war crimes tribunal.

:48:05. > :48:08.Kaing Guek Eav, also known as Comrade Duch is already

:48:09. > :48:11.serving a life sentence, but is expected to give nine days

:48:12. > :48:15.of evidence in the trial of two other members of the Khmer Rouge.

:48:16. > :48:18.He'll be giving more details about life in that horrific prison.

:48:19. > :48:21.In a minute I'll be talking to Hilary Holland,

:48:22. > :48:24.John Dewhirst's sister, but first let's look back

:48:25. > :48:27.at the events of the 1970's in Cambodia.

:48:28. > :48:29.And a warning that what we're about to play contains

:48:30. > :48:32.strobing and flashing images from the start plus material

:48:33. > :49:59.One of the jails where these people, known as "the rotten",

:50:00. > :50:15.were rounded up and sent to, was called Tuol Sleng.

:50:16. > :50:40.In 1979 the Khmer Rouge regime collapsed.

:50:41. > :50:43.John Dewhirst's sister, Hilary Holland, has never spoken

:50:44. > :50:49.publicly before but she joins us now in an exclusive interview.

:50:50. > :50:58.Thank you very much for talking to us. John was 26, it was 1978, he had

:50:59. > :51:02.met up with two other guys and they had hired a boat and they were meant

:51:03. > :51:07.to be going to Thailand and it strayed into Cambodian waters. You

:51:08. > :51:13.knew none of this at the time. When did you know what had happened to

:51:14. > :51:20.the boat? Not until January 1980 and he was killed in 1978. The last time

:51:21. > :51:26.I heard from him was a letter in about June, 1978, when he told me he

:51:27. > :51:30.was helping to make a boat ready to sell to Thailand. He had been

:51:31. > :51:35.travelling for quite a long time, so I did not worry too much initially

:51:36. > :51:42.when I did not hear from him. He used to write to me about once a

:51:43. > :51:47.month. Then the months went by and I started to write to people, people

:51:48. > :51:53.who used to know him, to the British Embassy, everybody I could think of,

:51:54. > :52:00.and that went on for over a year. Was it a call from the Foreign

:52:01. > :52:06.Office? That is right, that would be in January, 1980. It was out of the

:52:07. > :52:13.blue, I was not expecting it at all. It was a short conversation, it was

:52:14. > :52:27.just a message really that a reporter from a magazine, the first

:52:28. > :52:32.reporter to see the prison, he was shown a lot of documentary evidence

:52:33. > :52:37.that showed that my brother had been there, including his confession, no

:52:38. > :52:41.photographs of him. There was quite a good deal of evidence he had been

:52:42. > :52:45.there, said that information had been passed on to the Foreign Office

:52:46. > :52:53.who just informed me it was likely that he had been caught up in the

:52:54. > :52:58.Pol Pot regime. The journalist in the end contacted you. What

:52:59. > :53:03.information was passed to you at that point? He showed me some very

:53:04. > :53:09.graphic photos, rather like the ones you have had on your show today.

:53:10. > :53:16.When he got to the prison there were still bodies there. He did tell me

:53:17. > :53:25.there was evidence to suggest my brother was there, but I was so

:53:26. > :53:30.distressed at that time I actually did not want to hear everything he

:53:31. > :53:35.could have told me at that time. I found out more as the years have

:53:36. > :53:40.gone by and I have been to Cambodia and I have been to the prison and

:53:41. > :53:44.seen the museum. I will ask you about your visit in a moment. The

:53:45. > :53:50.confession your brother had apparently made, what was the nature

:53:51. > :53:54.of that? A complete fabrication. It was about ten pages long. It started

:53:55. > :54:00.with his description of how they were captured, which was presumably

:54:01. > :54:06.factual insofar as there were three of them on the boat and one of them

:54:07. > :54:10.was shot straightaway and was buried at sea and the other two were

:54:11. > :54:17.captured and taken to prison. Then he went on at length about how he

:54:18. > :54:21.was a CIA spy and his father was a CIA spy. He named a lock of his

:54:22. > :54:26.friends and they were all spies as well. It seemed as if there had to

:54:27. > :54:35.be a great deal of detail in the confession. I understand that the

:54:36. > :54:44.torture continued in my brother's case for about three or four weeks

:54:45. > :54:55.and it continued until the confession was adequate. The draft

:54:56. > :54:58.confessions would be looked at and annotated and then more torture

:54:59. > :55:05.would be ordered until they got the confession they wanted. It was a

:55:06. > :55:09.complete fabrication, almost a joke. And this man, Kaing Guek Eav, he is

:55:10. > :55:14.due to give evidence in a war crimes tribunal this week and he is in jail

:55:15. > :55:19.for the rest of his life for the crimes perpetrated at the jail where

:55:20. > :55:22.John was. I want to play this clip of him, it is in giving evidence in

:55:23. > :56:01.2009. What do you think of this man? I

:56:02. > :56:05.think he is quite disingenuous and he is able to manipulate his

:56:06. > :56:13.audience very well. Whatever evidence he gives during the current

:56:14. > :56:18.tribunal will not be really helpful. He may give more information, but he

:56:19. > :56:23.has already provided quite a lot. The most interesting and important

:56:24. > :56:30.fact about him appearing in the tribunal is for people to observe a

:56:31. > :56:36.fairly ordinary human being who does not come over as a criminal, even a

:56:37. > :56:41.mastermind, who could perpetrate such brutal acts of violence. I

:56:42. > :56:46.think that is perhaps one of the most important things to come out of

:56:47. > :56:53.the tribunal, for people to see this man. Why was it important for you to

:56:54. > :57:01.go there this year? Why now? It has taken me all this time to pluck up

:57:02. > :57:07.the courage to go. I am still so emotionally vulnerable about it and

:57:08. > :57:12.I want to explain what I feel a lot of people in Cambodia feel in the

:57:13. > :57:17.same way that I do. It is not just the loss of a loved one, death is

:57:18. > :57:21.final and you can come to terms and deal with that, it is the method of

:57:22. > :57:28.the death and the weeks and weeks of torture and agony and that just does

:57:29. > :57:32.not ever go away. I wanted to go to Cambodia and speak to other people

:57:33. > :57:37.who had lost their family in the same way and find out if people felt

:57:38. > :57:42.the same as me because I am the only person in this country who has had

:57:43. > :57:54.this experience and it is unusual to say the least. Did it help? It did,

:57:55. > :57:58.it made me confront my own Demons and it made me remember how

:57:59. > :58:05.important it is for the world to remember what happened. A lot of

:58:06. > :58:10.people do not even know what happened in the first place. It is

:58:11. > :58:19.just crucial that that understanding is still on. Thank you, I appreciate

:58:20. > :58:21.your time. Thank you for your time as well today. Joanna is here

:58:22. > :58:31.tomorrow, I am back on Monday. It's home to a million people

:58:32. > :58:35.at any one time...