17/06/2016

:00:09. > :00:14.Vigils have been held to remember the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox.

:00:15. > :00:18.In London, MPs laid flowers and lit candles outside Parliament.

:00:19. > :00:21.And in the village of Birstall where she was shot and stabbed

:00:22. > :00:28.in the street, hundreds packed into the parish church.

:00:29. > :00:42.She was not for money or power, she was a real woman.

:00:43. > :00:48.I am Jane Hill in Birstall where constituents of Jo Cox have been

:00:49. > :00:53.arriving all morning to lay flowers. We will be talking to local people.

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:01:19. > :01:35.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning

:01:36. > :01:40.with reaction throughout the next two hours to the murder of Jo Cox.

:01:41. > :01:45.A little later we'll be hearing from some of her closest colleagues

:01:46. > :01:48.and we'll be asking whether security concerns will now mean our

:01:49. > :01:51.relationship with our local MPs will have to change.

:01:52. > :02:00.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking

:02:01. > :02:03.about this morning - use the hashtag #victorialive

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:02:07. > :02:13.Let's go back to Jane Hill in Birstall. Hello from Birstall, less

:02:14. > :02:18.than ten miles from Leeds, a small market town where you really get the

:02:19. > :02:25.sense that people still can't quite believe that British MP has lost her

:02:26. > :02:29.life. All morning we have been standing here by one of the focal

:02:30. > :02:35.points of the town, the local memorial here, to Joseph Priestley.

:02:36. > :02:41.I have been watching people coming, consistently, to lay flowers. A lady

:02:42. > :02:44.arrived a little while ago with her young daughter, for example, and she

:02:45. > :02:52.said she just wanted to pay her respects. Jo Cox was an MP who

:02:53. > :02:56.helped her, she had cause to go to one of her regular sessions with the

:02:57. > :03:01.public, she wanted help for a problem, and she was very helpful

:03:02. > :03:04.and she wanted to lay flowers for that reason. She particularly

:03:05. > :03:10.remembered that Jo Cox leaves behind her two small children. This lady

:03:11. > :03:14.said, I have children of a similar age myself, and was clearly very

:03:15. > :03:19.upset at the thought of children of such a young age no longer having

:03:20. > :03:25.their mother around. There are so many similar sentiments like that

:03:26. > :03:28.here in this market town. The strength of feeling was illustrated

:03:29. > :03:34.last night with a vigil in a nearby church. It was packed out with

:03:35. > :03:39.hundreds of people attending to remember a much loved local MP. This

:03:40. > :03:43.report from our correspondent Fiona Trott.

:03:44. > :03:45.From all backgrounds and all faiths, they came together

:03:46. > :03:52.A woman who was killed while working for them,

:03:53. > :03:59.She was a people person, she was for us.

:04:00. > :04:12.She had so much warmth and compassion.

:04:13. > :04:20.Police say Jo Cox was stabbed and shot near Birstall village library.

:04:21. > :04:22.She was holding a drop-in session for her local constituents.

:04:23. > :04:26.A guy was bent over the woman, I could see her legs sticking out.

:04:27. > :04:33.The words I heard him say was, Britain first or put Britain first,

:04:34. > :04:35.I can't say exactly what it was, but definitely Britain first

:04:36. > :04:42.The BBC understands the man being arrested is called The BBC

:04:43. > :04:45.understands the man being arrested is called Tommy Mair,

:04:46. > :04:53.Jo Cox was more than an MP, she was a wife and mother.

:04:54. > :05:10.In a statement her husband Brendan Cox said...

:05:11. > :05:12.The very heart of this West Yorkshire village remains

:05:13. > :05:26.And the villagers within it are overcome with grief.

:05:27. > :05:33.We will talk to some local people in the next few minutes but first let's

:05:34. > :05:38.get the thoughts of Fiona Trott, because you have been here since the

:05:39. > :05:42.shocking news emerged, and we make no apology for continuing to use the

:05:43. > :05:46.word shock? That's right, look at all of the flowers that people have

:05:47. > :05:50.been laying since yesterday afternoon, and when you walk around

:05:51. > :05:55.in the local community, the cost Jo Cox was such an important member of

:05:56. > :06:00.the community, she was so well liked and it's not difficult to find

:06:01. > :06:05.someone who says that they were helped or inspired by her. A lady in

:06:06. > :06:09.the hairdressers yesterday said that she had a particular problem and got

:06:10. > :06:15.to know Jo Cox well and realised they had children of the same age,

:06:16. > :06:19.she felt the family's loss. Another woman who was buying flowers at the

:06:20. > :06:24.local market to bring to the memorial said that they voted for Jo

:06:25. > :06:28.Cox and gave her a voice. That voice has been silenced. You get the

:06:29. > :06:32.impression that this MP was interested in them and she

:06:33. > :06:36.represented their interests. That is something that people are finding it

:06:37. > :06:40.hard to come to terms with this morning. A brief thought as well

:06:41. > :06:44.about the investigation and how much do we now at this stage? A

:06:45. > :06:48.52-year-old man is still being questioned by the police. He was

:06:49. > :06:52.named locally as Tommy Mair but that has not been confirmed by police. We

:06:53. > :06:57.understand the house where he lives has a police presence and it was

:06:58. > :07:00.searched yesterday. When you look around the village this morning I'm

:07:01. > :07:13.surprised there is still a huge cordon around the heart

:07:14. > :07:17.of the Market Square. It is still in place. None of it has been lifted

:07:18. > :07:19.overnight and it's difficult to get into the village square. Still a

:07:20. > :07:22.huge police presence with at least three or four police vans by the

:07:23. > :07:24.library where this shooting happened yesterday. The 52-year-old man is

:07:25. > :07:30.still being questioned at the moment. And it's hard not to be

:07:31. > :07:35.simplistic at the time I guess, but it is, even I am struck by almost

:07:36. > :07:40.the look on peoples faces and the fact people are so overwhelmed, the

:07:41. > :07:43.fact that this just isn't meant to happen in Britain, this is not a

:07:44. > :07:50.nation where people have ready access to firearms, and in terms of

:07:51. > :07:54.democracy, we are built on the notion that MPs have face-to-face

:07:55. > :07:58.contact with constituents and we can see how close we are to the library

:07:59. > :08:02.where Jo Cox would have held her surgery, where she would have

:08:03. > :08:06.readily met people. That is why there are so many flowers here today

:08:07. > :08:12.and we can't stress enough how untoward, how bizarre this turn of

:08:13. > :08:16.events is to local people? And MPs should be able to do that, shouldn't

:08:17. > :08:22.they? They should be accessible to their constituents and yet we heard

:08:23. > :08:27.from Rachel Reeves, another local MP, who said her surgery was closed,

:08:28. > :08:32.safety was a concern. I spoke to one of the parents yesterday collecting

:08:33. > :08:36.his son from school, primary school, that was in lockdown yesterday,

:08:37. > :08:41.again, something you don't expect to hear about in Britain. He was

:08:42. > :08:45.concerned about his child. They had no idea what was going on. Even he

:08:46. > :08:49.said that it is not something you expect here, it is difficult for

:08:50. > :08:53.people here to come to terms with it. Thank you very much for now. We

:08:54. > :09:00.will be speaking with Fiona throughout the day. It is very

:09:01. > :09:05.sobering and very moving, to read the tributes on the flowers on the

:09:06. > :09:15.memorial behind me. To give you just one example, someone has written

:09:16. > :09:19.simply, why? You lived for others. We will talk more about Jo Cox's

:09:20. > :09:29.international approach and international work in a few minutes.

:09:30. > :09:37.Hisham Runs a local cafe right in the heart of the town. Regrettably,

:09:38. > :09:46.you saw a lot of what happened yesterday afternoon? Yes. I was in

:09:47. > :09:51.the cafe yesterday, and I was talking to some customers having

:09:52. > :09:57.their lunch. We were talking about the pre-match of England and Wales.

:09:58. > :10:06.And the topics around that. Premier League, stuff like that. All of a

:10:07. > :10:16.sudden I could see a river of people going down market Street, screaming

:10:17. > :10:27.and shouting. It is the scene that you see in Spain running after a

:10:28. > :10:33.Bulls. -- bull. It is not a normal scene that you see everyday. We got

:10:34. > :10:38.out. In the back of my mind, something very shocking has

:10:39. > :10:51.happened. I got out and I saw a guy with a baseball cap, dirty white.

:10:52. > :10:59.And an Asian guy tried to tackle him, to stop him. There was a row of

:11:00. > :11:05.cars and an empty space. And he was hitting and shoving him in that

:11:06. > :11:13.area, and pulling at something. I thought he was arguing with his wife

:11:14. > :11:17.or something. We thought it was just a man and wife dispute. So we went

:11:18. > :11:23.back. When we heard back we heard another big screen like in a

:11:24. > :11:29.stadium. We got out again, and this time people were screaming, no!

:11:30. > :11:38.Things like that. We got even further and the guy pulls his hand

:11:39. > :11:50.back and tries to grab the gun, it was probably that big. The size of

:11:51. > :11:56.an average cucumber. It looked like the beginning of a walking stick. It

:11:57. > :12:04.was an old-fashioned gun. Probably handmade, makeshift. It was maybe a

:12:05. > :12:15.vintage shot gun. Something of that type. Not a modern firearm. Anyway,

:12:16. > :12:20.all of a sudden he fires a shot and we just ducked and went into the

:12:21. > :12:24.restaurant. As we entered, there was a second shot, and between the first

:12:25. > :12:29.and second there was about three or four seconds, not more than five

:12:30. > :12:34.seconds. We waited about 30 seconds and went out again and as I went

:12:35. > :12:40.close, very close, the guy disappeared in the thing. As the

:12:41. > :12:45.hours passed and you realise that it was your local MP who had lost her

:12:46. > :12:55.life, give us a sense of what went through your mind and what people

:12:56. > :12:58.were saying. Jo is a great loss. We found out that after her death, I

:12:59. > :13:06.did not know all of her work, but especially she had a ripple effect

:13:07. > :13:18.internationally now, because her work was really happy aspect of an

:13:19. > :13:24.international sound, she was. An the war, helping the children of Syria,

:13:25. > :13:31.she spoke about the Russians not entering into Syria and not bombing

:13:32. > :13:34.there. She campaigned for several charities. In slavery and all sorts

:13:35. > :13:43.of stuff, and she worked with the community. You know, security issues

:13:44. > :13:49.and all sorts of stuff. That she was handling. She handled it very well.

:13:50. > :13:56.I think Jo has left an unfinished job. I think peace and peace, she

:13:57. > :14:04.was such a peaceful lady, she has left two kids and a husband. It's a

:14:05. > :14:11.difficult day for everybody here, I realise that. We must let you go. We

:14:12. > :14:15.came together for the Labour elections. It's a great loss. Thank

:14:16. > :14:22.you very much indeed, reflecting very much the view of so many people

:14:23. > :14:27.here and a lot of what Hicham, who owns a local cafe, has been echoed

:14:28. > :14:30.in the tributes and cards that people have written with their

:14:31. > :14:35.flowers. I mentioned the vigil last night, the local church was packed

:14:36. > :14:40.with people remembering Jo Cox and giving thanks for all her work. The

:14:41. > :14:47.Bishop of Huddersfield is with me. You spoke at last night's vigil. The

:14:48. > :14:51.right Reverend Jonathan Gibbs. What are your thoughts at this extremely

:14:52. > :14:55.difficult time for the community? Yesterday was an enormous shock for

:14:56. > :14:59.everybody. None of us could believe the news as it began to filter

:15:00. > :15:04.through, and I think last night it was the community coming together in

:15:05. > :15:06.shock, there were three or 400 people there, wonderful

:15:07. > :15:11.representation from across the community and faith groups, and many

:15:12. > :15:15.of our political representatives, for whom it was an enormously

:15:16. > :15:18.difficult occasion. The community needed to come together and the

:15:19. > :15:23.church was able to provide a space for people to begin to grieve.

:15:24. > :15:28.And people have been signing a Book of Remembrance, and I noticed that

:15:29. > :15:31.one of the local churches was pointing out that people of all

:15:32. > :15:37.faiths and none have been signing the book. The point is that Jo Cox

:15:38. > :15:41.was a hard-working MP, and that is what unites people. Absolutely, she

:15:42. > :15:46.was a woman of this community, she was born here, she went to school

:15:47. > :15:54.here, she wanted to serve the people of the community in which she grew

:15:55. > :15:56.up. Her family still live here, her parents, and the affection and

:15:57. > :15:59.respect in which he was held across different communities is very clear.

:16:00. > :16:02.I was able to speak to some of our Muslim friends and brothers last

:16:03. > :16:06.night, representing their community, and they spoke of her with enormous

:16:07. > :16:10.warmth. She was held in great affection and with great respect

:16:11. > :16:14.right across the communities, and she will be terribly missed. The

:16:15. > :16:18.fact that she went to Westminster to represent the area she grew up in,

:16:19. > :16:24.that is actually quite unusual in politics, and I get the sense that

:16:25. > :16:28.was hugely important to her and, therefore, to your worshippers, her

:16:29. > :16:32.constituents. Absolutely, I mean it is something very special, and she

:16:33. > :16:36.went into politics with a passion, wanting to make a difference,

:16:37. > :16:40.wanting to make a difference for the people of this community. I know,

:16:41. > :16:44.from talking with people today, that she would be willing to stop and

:16:45. > :16:48.listen and hear concerns. I saw that. One minutes playing with their

:16:49. > :16:56.children on the floor after a church service, then get in up and talking

:16:57. > :16:58.to people and engaging with people. She was a woman of passion and

:16:59. > :17:01.compassion for the people she served, especially in this community

:17:02. > :17:06.which she so loved. What will your role be in the coming days? There

:17:07. > :17:11.are still difficult days ahead, but particularly for her family, but for

:17:12. > :17:14.local people as well. Sure. Obviously, in terms of ministering

:17:15. > :17:19.to the family has cells, her parents live in one of the neighbouring

:17:20. > :17:24.villages, they are connected with the local church, and they are

:17:25. > :17:27.involved in caring for them. One of the league leaders worked with Jo

:17:28. > :17:32.and was with her when she died, so the Church is very much involved in

:17:33. > :17:36.supporting them. We offered a place for people to come together and

:17:37. > :17:40.grieve, and we will continue to offer that space, because there will

:17:41. > :17:45.be a range of different emotions going on - shock and sadness, and

:17:46. > :17:50.Bobley Anderson too, and we need to support one another through this

:17:51. > :17:58.very difficult time. -- and probably anger too. Thank you for your time,

:17:59. > :18:04.the Bishop of Huddersfield. So much of what the bishop was saying there

:18:05. > :18:08.is reflected in these remembrances on the flowers behind me. To leave

:18:09. > :18:14.you with one final thought, Naseem, who laid flowers here, says simply,

:18:15. > :18:21.we have lost one of the good ones. From here in Birstall in Yorkshire,

:18:22. > :18:26.for now, it is back to the studio. Lots of you getting in touch with

:18:27. > :18:30.your tributes to Jo Cox, James on Facebook, rest in peace, Jo, you

:18:31. > :18:34.were an inspiration and will never be forgotten for the good work you

:18:35. > :18:38.have done, always full of passion, you will be sadly missed. My

:18:39. > :18:42.thoughts and prayers to a family and friends in this tragic time. Anthony

:18:43. > :18:49.on Facebook, so sorry to hear about Jo Cox, this is too sad for words.

:18:50. > :18:52.Philip said, I cannot recall being so upset at the death of someone I

:18:53. > :18:57.never met, the most decent people killed by hatred. May his soul rest

:18:58. > :19:01.in peace. Mike has texted, to honour and respect the memory of such a

:19:02. > :19:04.promising young lass and one of our own MPs, both sides of the

:19:05. > :19:10.referendum must now clean up their campaigns, being as honest and open

:19:11. > :19:15.as young Jo Cox was. And from John, a very tragic loss of life. Lots of

:19:16. > :19:19.tribute being paid to Jo Cox, not just in Britain, but from around the

:19:20. > :19:22.world and in her constituency hundreds of local people came

:19:23. > :19:25.together to remember their MP, who they say never forgot that she had

:19:26. > :19:29.been elected to serve their constituents.

:19:30. > :19:31.She were lovely, weren't she? Yeah, really lovely.

:19:32. > :19:33.Not what we expected, was she? No.

:19:34. > :19:35.Because we did expect, grammar school, Cambridge,

:19:36. > :19:37.we thought, oh God, she's going to be a snob.

:19:38. > :19:39.But no, far from it. Absolutely lovely.

:19:40. > :19:41.I wrote to her a few times, actually.

:19:42. > :19:52.She always replied, and she was so approachable.

:19:53. > :19:58.Candles were lit outside Westminster, the Prime Minister said

:19:59. > :20:01.Parliament had lost a great start, and Jeremy Corbyn led tributes,

:20:02. > :20:04.praising her deep commitment to humanity.

:20:05. > :20:07.A real servant of democracy in every way one could want or imagine.

:20:08. > :20:10.A wonderful woman, parliamentarian, mother, wife.

:20:11. > :20:14.Her life has been taken through an act of warped hatred.

:20:15. > :20:22.Jo fought to help the refugees from the Syrian civil war.

:20:23. > :20:25.She gave a voice to those whose cry for help

:20:26. > :20:34.and I know it contributed to a change in policy.

:20:35. > :20:42.She will never know how many lives she helped to transform.

:20:43. > :20:45.The Leeds Central MP, Hilary Benn,

:20:46. > :20:49.who's a long-time friend, tweeted, "May you rest eternal, Jo."

:20:50. > :20:53."We were all so proud to have known you and to call you our friend."

:20:54. > :20:58.US presidential contender Hillary Clinton

:20:59. > :21:01.has also spoken of a "cruel and terrible assassination".

:21:02. > :21:03.The American Secretary of State said the attack

:21:04. > :21:07.was "an assault on everybody who cares about democracy".

:21:08. > :21:09.Canadian MP Nathan Cullen, who's a friend of Jo Cox,

:21:10. > :21:15.Jo Cox used her voice for those who had none.

:21:16. > :21:18.She dedicated her passion to those who needed it most,

:21:19. > :21:20.and she harnessed her limitless love,

:21:21. > :21:24.even and especially for those who allowed hate to consume them.

:21:25. > :21:29.Her husband Brendan said it beautifully, she would have wanted

:21:30. > :21:32.two things above all else to happen now,

:21:33. > :21:38.that our children are bathed in love,

:21:39. > :21:40.and that we all unite to fight

:21:41. > :21:42.against the hatred that killed her.

:21:43. > :21:44.To Brendan and Jo's beautiful children, we express our

:21:45. > :21:46.deepest condolences. Excuse me.

:21:47. > :21:49.Let's talk to two of her friends and Labour colleagues now.

:21:50. > :21:52.Anna Turley became an MP at the same time as Jo last year.

:21:53. > :21:58.And Clive Betts is the MP for Sheffield South East.

:21:59. > :22:00.Anna, you started in Parliament with Jo after last year's

:22:01. > :22:06.general election and formed quite a bond?

:22:07. > :22:11.It is heartbreaking, you look at these photographs of this vibrant

:22:12. > :22:15.woman and cannot believe it has happened. Exactly, it is just so

:22:16. > :22:20.difficult to comprehend and to process, such an act of unspeakable

:22:21. > :22:25.wickedness and hatred to somebody who was such a good soul, such a

:22:26. > :22:28.kind heart, so compassionate, so decent. Those smiling pictures you

:22:29. > :22:35.see in the paper, that is what we saw every day with Jo, she always

:22:36. > :22:39.smiled, always bundles of energy, effervescent, she fizzed with

:22:40. > :22:43.energy, passion and commitment. She was just inspiring, someone you

:22:44. > :22:49.looked up to unfold, wow, she is making a difference, and impact on

:22:50. > :22:53.the world. -- and thought. She will be held in so much honour and esteem

:22:54. > :22:58.by her legs in parliament, but all of our hearts go out to her family,

:22:59. > :23:03.who have lost the most wonderful mother and wife, and we think of

:23:04. > :23:07.them today. You talk about someone who had such an impact, having only

:23:08. > :23:11.been an MP for a year, but she clearly shone out. What was the

:23:12. > :23:20.first that you came across, the first time you came across her?

:23:21. > :23:23.Well, I mean, I had met her before, but when she stood out for me

:23:24. > :23:27.exceptionally was when she got agent questions on issues like Syria and

:23:28. > :23:33.Iraq Yuji. We have it in your programme about what a brilliant

:23:34. > :23:37.constituency MP she was. -- and refugees. But she was a global

:23:38. > :23:41.citizen who strove to leave the world a better place than she

:23:42. > :23:45.founded, and that inspired as the most. I think of a massive smile,

:23:46. > :23:48.she seemed to have more hours in the day than everybody else. I remember

:23:49. > :23:54.going to have bowed once for an evening dinner, and we got back

:23:55. > :24:04.late, and you have prepared a three course meal. -- back to her boat. We

:24:05. > :24:08.laughed at the time and called her superwoman, she was phenomenal, I do

:24:09. > :24:12.not know how she did it. All we can do to pay tribute is to try to take

:24:13. > :24:16.forward the issues that she wanted us to take on, to live with love, to

:24:17. > :24:20.tackle bigotry and hatred and hostility where ever we see it,

:24:21. > :24:25.particularly in political debate, we all have a responsibility to take

:24:26. > :24:30.that forward. What are your thoughts of Jo this morning? Just reflecting

:24:31. > :24:35.what Anna was saying, the last time I remember seeing Jo was walking

:24:36. > :24:38.across Portcullis House, with that wonderful bouncy stride, she turned

:24:39. > :24:41.and smiled with that great, infectious smile, and she was so

:24:42. > :24:48.full of life and determination. It was not just for its own sake, it

:24:49. > :24:52.was a behalf of other people, pushing forward causes, whether in

:24:53. > :24:55.her constituency or on the international stage. I just reflect

:24:56. > :25:00.now on the comments she made in a maiden speech. There is more that

:25:01. > :25:04.unites us than divides us, and she applied that whether representing

:25:05. > :25:08.all the people in her constituency, from many different backgrounds,

:25:09. > :25:11.face and ethnicities, or on the international stage, where she

:25:12. > :25:15.campaigned for countries to come together to solve problems on the

:25:16. > :25:21.global stage. That was a wonderful approach she had delight, and so

:25:22. > :25:25.much passion, so much intelligence, but a wonderfully nice, pleasant

:25:26. > :25:29.person as well. What an enormous loss. Just the sort of person you

:25:30. > :25:35.would want as an MP, what promise did her career hold? In must

:25:36. > :25:38.promise, because she was passionate, she was determined, she could be

:25:39. > :25:45.very forceful in making arguments. But because of the way, she made

:25:46. > :25:48.them, because she was so approachable, a genuinely nice

:25:49. > :25:52.person, I think she carried that with more conviction. She did not

:25:53. > :25:57.antagonise people or upset them with aggression. She sought to persuade

:25:58. > :26:01.them by reasoned and rational argument in a most wonderful way.

:26:02. > :26:05.And therefore I think she had a great future haired offer, because

:26:06. > :26:10.people took her seriously and really had high regard for her. -- ahead of

:26:11. > :26:16.her. We're just saying goodbye to viewers on BBC One, but we will

:26:17. > :26:23.continue talking on BBC News. So sorry to interrupt you there,

:26:24. > :26:30.Clive, but clearly a woman who was greatly loved. Absolutely, and you

:26:31. > :26:35.have heard tributes in the last few hours across the political divide,

:26:36. > :26:39.even when Members of Parliament might disagree, they recognise his

:26:40. > :26:45.sincerity and recognise the sort of person she was, open and honest and

:26:46. > :26:49.decent. And she had enormous respect for those personal attributes, as

:26:50. > :26:54.well as for the campaigns and principles she fought for. Did she

:26:55. > :26:59.ever speak to you about any security concerns? It has emerged that there

:27:00. > :27:02.had been some issues, it seems absolutely not related to what has

:27:03. > :27:08.happened, but security had been looked at. Well, it she did not

:27:09. > :27:13.mention any specific concerns, but all the time about the increasing

:27:14. > :27:18.nature of hostility and aggression, particularly towards female MPs,

:27:19. > :27:22.particularly on social media. Many of us who came in last year were

:27:23. > :27:27.quite shocked and taken aback at how much aggression there is targeted

:27:28. > :27:31.towards MPs, most of us come to try and do public service, and Jo was

:27:32. > :27:37.the best of the best at that, and we often talk together, Jo, myself and

:27:38. > :27:41.others, about how distressed we were about the aggression, hostility and

:27:42. > :27:45.the nature of the debate. We were all reviewing our security, and I

:27:46. > :27:49.think it needs to be looked at. Jo would not have wanted us to be

:27:50. > :27:52.hiding behind walls, our job is to be in the community, to be at

:27:53. > :27:57.surgeries, public events, to see people. We chat to people when we

:27:58. > :28:02.are doing shopping, walking out dogs. This is our job, to be amongst

:28:03. > :28:06.the people, we cannot hide from that, everything that is good and

:28:07. > :28:11.great about our job, Jo embraced that. Clive, do you think that

:28:12. > :28:16.security needs to change? How do you balance that in parrot for MPs to be

:28:17. > :28:21.accessible? Well, security is being reviewed all the time, and we don't

:28:22. > :28:25.talk about details of that, but in the House of Commons you can see,

:28:26. > :28:30.when I became an MP in 1992, people could walk up to the main reception

:28:31. > :28:35.desk and just ask to see add MP. Now you have to go through significant

:28:36. > :28:40.security checks and there are an police around the Palace of

:28:41. > :28:45.Westminster. Different in the constituency, nobody would want

:28:46. > :28:49.armed police following us around, and all MPs will be dealing with

:28:50. > :28:54.people whose benefits have been stopped, who are facing eviction

:28:55. > :28:58.from their homes, who need help from their MPs. We cannot refuse to see

:28:59. > :29:02.people in those circumstances because of security worries. So

:29:03. > :29:06.there is always a challenge, we have always got to be careful and

:29:07. > :29:11.sensitive about it. But in the end, we are elected by our constituents,

:29:12. > :29:14.and we have to be there for our constituents when they need us. The

:29:15. > :29:19.bishop was talking about the emotions that people will be

:29:20. > :29:25.feeling, the sadness, the last - but also the anger, how are you feeling

:29:26. > :29:28.this morning? -- the loss. I am still struggling to process it, I

:29:29. > :29:32.think there will be several stages of grief to go through. There is

:29:33. > :29:37.some talk of recalling Parliament, and some of us want to come together

:29:38. > :29:41.to share our grief and memories of Jo, and to think about her and how

:29:42. > :29:45.she would have wanted us to go forward. It is just a shocking time,

:29:46. > :29:49.but as I say, mostly our thoughts are with her family, who wonderful

:29:50. > :29:55.husband and children, because at the end of the day this is what is most

:29:56. > :30:02.important, and it is then that we think of today.

:30:03. > :30:11.Thank you very much for joining us and sharing your memories. Let us

:30:12. > :30:14.know your thoughts, all of the usual ways of getting in touch. Still to

:30:15. > :30:20.come, should Russian track and field athletes be allowed to compete after

:30:21. > :30:26.the doping scandal? We will ask British athletes what they think.

:30:27. > :30:35.Let's catch up with the day 's news with a neater. -- Anita.

:30:36. > :30:38.Vigils have been held for the Labour MP Jo Cox, who died yesterday

:30:39. > :30:41.after being shot and stabbed in an assault in her constituency.

:30:42. > :30:44.The 41-year-old mother became an MP in the general election last year.

:30:45. > :30:46.David Cameron said the killing was tragic and dreadful news.

:30:47. > :30:48.She was attacked in the village of Birstall

:30:49. > :30:53.after she held her constituency surgery.

:30:54. > :30:56.Russian athletes will find out later today whether they will be allowed

:30:57. > :30:59.following claims of widespread doping.

:31:00. > :31:00.Members of the world governing body of athletics

:31:01. > :31:06.are meeting in Vienna to make the decision.

:31:07. > :31:11.The team was suspended earlier this year

:31:12. > :31:13.following a damning report into alleged drug use.

:31:14. > :31:16.Barack Obama has made a new appeal for greater gun-control measures

:31:17. > :31:18.to be introduced in the United States.

:31:19. > :31:23.The US President met survivors and relatives

:31:24. > :31:24.He's calling on the Republican-controlled Congress

:31:25. > :31:36.to pass new legislation following the attack.

:31:37. > :31:50.As has been true too many times before, I held and hugged grieving

:31:51. > :31:53.family members and they asked why this keeps happening and they

:31:54. > :31:55.pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage.

:31:56. > :31:56.The Labour Party has held the south-London constituency

:31:57. > :31:59.of Tooting in the by-election sparked by Sadiq Kahn's

:32:00. > :32:07.Junior doctor Rosena Allin-Khan won with a majority of more than 6,000.

:32:08. > :32:09.A two-minute silence was held during the count

:32:10. > :32:15.Allin-Khan chose not to make a victory speech

:32:16. > :32:19.Two drugs which work together to shrink tumours in skin cancer

:32:20. > :32:23.have been approved for use by the NHS in England.

:32:24. > :32:24.In trials, the treatment, called combination therapy,

:32:25. > :32:29.shrank the most aggressive type of skin cancer in most patients.

:32:30. > :32:32.The move to approve the drugs is one of the fastest in NHS history

:32:33. > :32:39.and is likely to influence similar decisions elsewhere in the UK.

:32:40. > :32:41.The American rock star Meat Loaf has been taken to hospital

:32:42. > :32:43.after collapsing on stage during a concert in Canada.

:32:44. > :32:49.Fans at last night's concert in Edmonton saw the 68-year-old

:32:50. > :32:52.while performing his hit song I'd Do Anything For Love.

:32:53. > :32:54.Canadian media reported the music venue was then cleared

:32:55. > :32:58.Meat Loaf had previously cancelled two recent concerts due to illness.

:32:59. > :33:05.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at ten.

:33:06. > :33:14.Thank you. Let's catch up with the sport. Sally is in Paris. Good

:33:15. > :33:18.morning. If you're an England or Northern Ireland fan this morning

:33:19. > :33:21.you probably will still be celebrating, but heartbreak for

:33:22. > :33:25.Welsh bands after seeing their side concede a last-minute goal

:33:26. > :33:28.yesterday. We will start with Northern Ireland, they beat Ukraine

:33:29. > :33:32.2-0 which keeps them with a chance of qualifying for the knockout

:33:33. > :33:38.stages. Gareth McAuley put them ahead before they had to overcome

:33:39. > :33:42.bizarre summer conditions. A huge hailstorm briefly caused the match

:33:43. > :33:47.to be suspended and players and officials ran for cover. It did not

:33:48. > :33:50.hold them back for long, despite heavy Ukrainian pressure Niall

:33:51. > :33:56.McGinn poked home a second goal lead in stoppage time to spark wild

:33:57. > :34:04.celebrations. A night to remember. We did not just come here to making

:34:05. > :34:09.up the numbers. Getting here is just a party from now on and it's a

:34:10. > :34:14.bonus, we are not here to make up the numbers, watch out the Germans,

:34:15. > :34:17.we are coming for you. It's amazing, the last ten minutes were so nerve

:34:18. > :34:24.wracking, you could feel the tension. My prediction was 2-0, I'm

:34:25. > :34:29.glad we won, bring on Germany. 30 years of being a Northern Ireland

:34:30. > :34:33.fan, now I know why I've done it. They change the formation and had a

:34:34. > :34:40.completely different approach, the horizontal rain did it! Fantastic.

:34:41. > :34:46.It's a proud day for me, for the country as well. The first win in

:34:47. > :34:51.the European Championships, it's our first time so it must be our first

:34:52. > :34:55.win! The level of performance is what I'm most proud of, the players

:34:56. > :34:58.reacted to the defeat in the first game and the disappointment of the

:34:59. > :35:05.first game. I thought today every of was magnificent. The rain was

:35:06. > :35:12.obviously the thing that helped! England are now top of group B after

:35:13. > :35:15.the 2-1 win over Wales, their first victory at this championship. Daniel

:35:16. > :35:20.Sturridge scored in injury time to clinch the dramatic win. Wales had

:35:21. > :35:25.lead at half-time before Roy Hodgson made a double substitution which

:35:26. > :35:29.paid off as Jamie Vardy equalised and then Daniel Sturridge put them

:35:30. > :35:36.on the brink of qualification with his goal, and that prompted

:35:37. > :35:40.jubilation from the manager! As you saw on the bench, probably the most

:35:41. > :35:44.spontaneous exhibition if you like of pure joy from myself and the

:35:45. > :35:48.coaching staff that we have seen for a fair while, but that is what these

:35:49. > :35:53.tournaments do to you, they make certain that you suffer. When you go

:35:54. > :35:57.into a game of this magnitude and up against that quality, you have to do

:35:58. > :36:02.something special to get something out of it and I thought the guys

:36:03. > :36:06.showed such heart, they stuck in the game, and with 30 seconds, 60

:36:07. > :36:13.seconds remaining to give up that point that we worked so hard to get,

:36:14. > :36:17.that was disappointing. I think you will like this, if you want to

:36:18. > :36:24.impress the Queen, here's how. Jockey Ryan Moore Road Order Of

:36:25. > :36:31.Saint George to victory in the Gold Cup at Ascot, have a look at this. I

:36:32. > :36:37.say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you can't get much more

:36:38. > :36:41.colour-coordinated than that! Her Majesty looked quite pleased about

:36:42. > :36:45.that as well. We will have more sport throughout the morning. You

:36:46. > :36:49.picked their colours first? Maybe she was paying tribute to him. I

:36:50. > :36:53.would imagine it would be the Queen. Thank you very much, Sally. Let's

:36:54. > :36:58.talk more about the loss of Jo Cox. She has been described as a devoted

:36:59. > :37:01.wife and mother of two Her husband Brendan posted this

:37:02. > :37:05.photo and said she had an energy and a zest for life

:37:06. > :37:08.that would exhaust most people. The couple divided their time

:37:09. > :37:10.between her Batley and Spen constituency in West Yorkshire and

:37:11. > :37:15.living in a houseboat on the Thames, The commute to Westminster was out

:37:16. > :37:19.of the ordinary, too. Usually I'm hoping I'll be zipping

:37:20. > :37:22.down to the House of Commons, which is about half an hour away

:37:23. > :37:26.from where I live on the boat, Now this is the way to start

:37:27. > :37:30.the day, isn't it? Yorkshire born and bred,

:37:31. > :37:33.Jo Cox only became an MP last year, of representing her "proud,

:37:34. > :37:41.no-nonsense" constituency. The spirit of nonconformity

:37:42. > :37:43.is as prevalent now in my part of West Yorkshire,

:37:44. > :37:47.as it was in the time of my two immediate predecessors,

:37:48. > :37:52.Mike Wood and Elizabeth Peacock. They were both known

:37:53. > :37:55.for their own brand of independent, nonconformist service,

:37:56. > :37:57.albeit in very different ways. And I intend to maintain

:37:58. > :37:59.that established tradition, Before her election,

:38:00. > :38:07.she was a tireless She spent ten years

:38:08. > :38:21.in international development, which took her to conflict

:38:22. > :38:23.zones around the world. She met her husband Brendan working

:38:24. > :38:26.for Oxfam, who have described her as a "passionate campaigner

:38:27. > :38:28.on humanitarian issues". She also worked closely

:38:29. > :38:29.with Sarah Brown, the wife of former

:38:30. > :38:31.Prime Minister Gordon Brown. When we spoke to her last October

:38:32. > :38:35.ahead of a Commons debate on Syria, she called repeatedly for Britain

:38:36. > :38:37.to do more to help the victims

:38:38. > :38:39.of Syria's civil war. working in many conflicts zones

:38:40. > :38:43.all around the world. I've seen that military

:38:44. > :38:45.intervention can save lives. It did in Kosovo, it did in Bosnia,

:38:46. > :38:49.it did in Sierra Leone. There is a case that can be made,

:38:50. > :38:53.when you've got an intervention grounded in the protection

:38:54. > :38:57.of innocent civilians, My big proposal tonight

:38:58. > :39:02.in the House of Commons, when we debate this, will be I think

:39:03. > :39:04.the Government should consider a no-bombing zone,

:39:05. > :39:06.to stop President Assad raining down aerial bombardment

:39:07. > :39:08.on innocent civilians, killing children and grandmothers,

:39:09. > :39:11.and mums and dads, to change the battlefield dynamic

:39:12. > :39:23.and force him to the table. Jo Cox's colleagues in the House of

:39:24. > :39:26.Commons are clearly in shock at what happened. Carole Walker is in

:39:27. > :39:31.Westminster to talk about the impact that she had in that very short

:39:32. > :39:35.political career. She was passionate, and by all accounts a

:39:36. > :39:39.very good woman? Absolutely. You got a real sense of how strongly

:39:40. > :39:43.motivated she was there when she came to Parliament, she was only

:39:44. > :39:48.here for a year, but she really made her mark in that time, she was

:39:49. > :39:52.already marked out as a rising star, someone who would have had such a

:39:53. > :39:56.great future ahead of her, she brought all of that experience of

:39:57. > :40:02.working around the world for aid agencies, and here in Parliament she

:40:03. > :40:05.continued to campaign passionately to help some of the most

:40:06. > :40:10.disadvantaged around the world. And I think that is why you have seen

:40:11. > :40:14.such warm and glowing tributes from right across the Houses of

:40:15. > :40:19.Parliament, for someone who really cared about what she was doing, but

:40:20. > :40:24.was really motivated to try to help others in society. And of course

:40:25. > :40:29.somebody who got along so well with so many people, very approachable

:40:30. > :40:33.and personable, often turning up at Parliament with her two young

:40:34. > :40:40.children, now sadly grieved. Many MPs will be thinking of her family

:40:41. > :40:43.and their loss today. Ordinary politics has been suspended for now,

:40:44. > :40:49.and it is hard to imagine how things move forward, what will be happening

:40:50. > :40:53.there? Well, you are right. Campaigning in the EU referendum has

:40:54. > :40:57.been temporarily suspended, all of the campaigns did that as a mark of

:40:58. > :41:04.respect last night. It is not yet clear when that will resume. The

:41:05. > :41:08.campaigns will simply have to try to judge the public mood and decide

:41:09. > :41:13.when they think it is appropriate to return to that. It will be

:41:14. > :41:20.interesting to see whether her death does affect the tone of the

:41:21. > :41:24.campaign, which had become pretty frenetic and personal and of a very

:41:25. > :41:28.highly pressurised nature. It will be interesting to see whether the

:41:29. > :41:33.tone remains somewhat more subdued and quiet. There has been talk of

:41:34. > :41:38.possibly recalling Parliament, clearly there is nothing crucial for

:41:39. > :41:43.Parliament to decide. MPs may well pay tribute. No firm decisions on

:41:44. > :41:49.that yet, but I think MPs are still thinking about the loss of such a

:41:50. > :41:53.bright, a bold, capable MP. And of course the loss felt by her family.

:41:54. > :42:09.Thank you, Carol. Until yesterday, the last attack

:42:10. > :42:12.on an MP was against the Labour He was stabbed in the stomach by

:42:13. > :42:17.a student in his east London office. But in spite of that,

:42:18. > :42:20.he doesn't want to make it harder After I was attacked,

:42:21. > :42:24.six years ago now, the police spoke to every MP about their arrangements

:42:25. > :42:26.in their constituency surgeries, There may be things

:42:27. > :42:30.that can be done. What none of us would want is a big

:42:31. > :42:33.change in the culture of our country, which would make it

:42:34. > :42:37.much harder for people to get After I was attacked,

:42:38. > :42:43.the police said to me, would you like a metal

:42:44. > :42:45.arch, a metal detector But the problem with that would be,

:42:46. > :42:51.it would make going to see your MP a pretty unpleasant experience,

:42:52. > :42:54.and none of us want that to happen. I want my constituents

:42:55. > :42:57.to come and talk to me, and I don't want to make it

:42:58. > :43:10.hard for them to do so. Dr David James is the co-founder

:43:11. > :43:13.of the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre, a Home Office unit

:43:14. > :43:15.which examines security risks to politicians

:43:16. > :43:23.and other public figures. Thank you for joining us. There has

:43:24. > :43:27.been a survey done of MPs, and what they encounter and how vulnerable

:43:28. > :43:31.they feel, what does that survey show? It has shown that around 80%

:43:32. > :43:39.of MPs have been subject to intrusive harassment by

:43:40. > :43:42.constituents. But nearly a fifth of all MPs have suffered some sort of

:43:43. > :43:48.attack or attempted attack during their time in Parliament. We know

:43:49. > :43:53.quite a lot about this now. There are two very important facts. The

:43:54. > :43:59.first is that most of the people who attack politicians are mentally ill

:44:00. > :44:03.owners with some personal grievance. The second thing is that most of

:44:04. > :44:07.them give some sort of warning behaviour of what they make you want

:44:08. > :44:11.to do in the form of threatening letters or difficult visits to the

:44:12. > :44:15.constituency. The Nigel Jones case was won in point, you will remember

:44:16. > :44:21.that in his constituency surgery he was attacked and his aide was

:44:22. > :44:25.killed. This was 16 years ago. Yes. The aggressor in that incident had

:44:26. > :44:30.been to the constituency surgery dozens of times before, raving in a

:44:31. > :44:33.paranoid fashion. There was no mechanism to deal with it. This is

:44:34. > :44:39.why the Home Office setup the fixated threat assessment centre

:44:40. > :44:44.which is there to have difficult behaviours referred to it, so it can

:44:45. > :44:48.assess and manage risk from mucking up warning behaviour is reported to

:44:49. > :44:54.it. It relies on MPs actually bringing matters to its attention.

:44:55. > :44:57.One of the problems is that MPs, some MPs tend to see this sort of

:44:58. > :45:02.aggressive behaviour as just something that goes with the job. It

:45:03. > :45:06.isn't and it shouldn't be. What would you say the answers are? We

:45:07. > :45:12.are hearing from Steven Timms even, who was attacked and badly injured

:45:13. > :45:17.as a result, even he says, actually, in the end, the balance of being

:45:18. > :45:21.open as a constituency MP versus security means that he would prefer

:45:22. > :45:24.openness. Obviously everyone will have a different perspective but how

:45:25. > :45:28.do you see it? Where should the balance be?

:45:29. > :45:34.Well, I would agree with what he said, but because people give

:45:35. > :45:38.warning signs of what they may go on to do, it is important that these

:45:39. > :45:44.are brought to the attention of the authorities. MPs are reluctant to

:45:45. > :45:48.complain to the police or us about the behaviour of their constituents.

:45:49. > :45:53.There is a worry that they may be seen as shopping their constituents.

:45:54. > :45:57.But actually these people are mentally ill and in need of

:45:58. > :46:01.attention. So if MPs do report them to the authorities, they are likely

:46:02. > :46:05.to end up getting the psychiatric care that they need and have not had

:46:06. > :46:11.before. There are things that can be done, but it is at that sort of

:46:12. > :46:17.level. We certainly don't want to have fortified constituency

:46:18. > :46:23.surgeries. Thank you for joining us, Dr David James. One tweet from Ali,

:46:24. > :46:28.Jo's legacy will remain in our hearts for ever. Seeing the footage

:46:29. > :46:32.is both inspiring and heartbreaking. Heather has tweeted, saddened and

:46:33. > :46:36.shocked by the killing of Jo Cox, she was born for a purpose and

:46:37. > :46:42.lifted by showing kindness and peace. She challenged the things

:46:43. > :46:47.that isolate Westminster from the public, conviction politician and

:46:48. > :46:51.local MP. Sarah on Facebook, we are talking about our memories of Jo Cox

:46:52. > :46:56.and the thing she inspired us to do, I am on it to have been able to call

:46:57. > :47:00.such an inspirational lady a friend and to have shared moments of life

:47:01. > :47:04.with her. Thank you for your thoughts, keep letting us know your

:47:05. > :47:07.thoughts this morning. The usual ways of getting in touch.

:47:08. > :47:09.Should Russian track and field athletes be allowed to compete

:47:10. > :47:12.They were suspended from international competitions

:47:13. > :47:15.last November after a damning report by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

:47:16. > :47:16.The agency described a culture of cheating

:47:17. > :47:18.and what it called state-sponsored doping.

:47:19. > :47:23.Later today, the International Association of Athletics Federations

:47:24. > :47:25.- headed by Lord Coe - will decide whether Russia has

:47:26. > :47:28.changed enough for its athletes to be allowed to travel to Rio.

:47:29. > :47:30.But what exactly did Russian athletes do wrong?

:47:31. > :47:35.It's the worst doping scandal in history.

:47:36. > :47:41.It could all end with a full Olympic ban for Russia.

:47:42. > :47:44.But how did we get here in the first place?

:47:45. > :47:46.Talk of Russian doping has been around for years.

:47:47. > :47:48.Just days before the Beijing Olympics,

:47:49. > :47:55.seven athletes were suspended for providing fake urine samples.

:47:56. > :47:58.Four years later in London, and Russia had a successful Games.

:47:59. > :48:03.A total of 71 medals in what was called the Clean Olympics.

:48:04. > :48:08.In 2014, a German TV station broadcast claims

:48:09. > :48:12.that most Russian athletes were using banned substances,

:48:13. > :48:17.could make positive tests disappear for cash.

:48:18. > :48:19.The World Anti-Doping Agency set up an independent commission

:48:20. > :48:22.to look into the claims, headed by this man,

:48:23. > :48:29.The same TV station and the Sunday Times

:48:30. > :48:35.this time claiming that so-called blood doping is rife in athletics,

:48:36. > :48:37.with 80% of Russia's medal winners under suspicion.

:48:38. > :48:41.It said the sport's governing body, the IAAF,

:48:42. > :48:44.had done next to nothing to stop it.

:48:45. > :48:48.The then front-runner to lead that organisation, Lord Coe,

:48:49. > :48:54.Nobody here is questioning the right of a news organisation,

:48:55. > :48:57.a newspaper, to challenge, to kick the tyres,

:48:58. > :48:59.to forensically examine the work of our federation.

:49:00. > :49:01.To say we are sitting here on our hands

:49:02. > :49:04.simply not investigating, or turning a blind eye to this,

:49:05. > :49:15.and Wada's independent commission published its findings.

:49:16. > :49:18.Russia was guilty of systemic state-sponsored doping.

:49:19. > :49:23.Our recommendation is that the Russian Federation be suspended.

:49:24. > :49:32.said it had retested frozen samples from the two most recent Games.

:49:33. > :49:35.31 athletes from the Beijing Olympics failed those retests,

:49:36. > :49:43.23 athletes from London also failed, eight of those were again Russian.

:49:44. > :49:47.Sport chiefs must now decide if the country is doing enough

:49:48. > :49:50.for the ban to be lifted, or whether its athletes should now

:49:51. > :49:57.be stopped from travelling to the Rio Games.

:49:58. > :50:00.In the studio with me is Olympic relay runner Andrew Steele,

:50:01. > :50:03.who competed in the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

:50:04. > :50:06.He's been told he could now be awarded a bronze medal

:50:07. > :50:09.after coming fourth behind the Russian team back then.

:50:10. > :50:12.And also part of the conversation is former swimmer and Olympic silver

:50:13. > :50:14.medallist Sharron Davies, who appealed to have her medal

:50:15. > :50:22.upgraded after allegations of doping came to light.

:50:23. > :50:28.Thank you for joining us. Andrew, explained where you are with

:50:29. > :50:34.possibly being upgraded to bronze from fourth place eight years later.

:50:35. > :50:38.Yeah, quite a bizarre scenario eight years, looking back at the Beijing

:50:39. > :50:43.Olympic Games. We finished fourth in the relay, the fastest time to ever

:50:44. > :50:50.not win a medal. And so we finished just behind the Russian team, who

:50:51. > :50:56.ran an unusually fast time, unexpectedly so. So if we see that

:50:57. > :51:00.the B samples come back positive, the A samples did test positive, we

:51:01. > :51:04.stand to be upgraded to third, and the process of awarding those medals

:51:05. > :51:12.goes ahead. How do you feel about it? You were robbed of the podium

:51:13. > :51:16.moment. No, that is the most bothersome part for me. A lot of

:51:17. > :51:19.people will say, think of the endorsements you could have had as

:51:20. > :51:23.an Olympic medallist, but what matters to me is that we did not get

:51:24. > :51:29.that moment of joy, of recognition for our hard work at the time. You

:51:30. > :51:34.cannot ever really get that back. In this bizarre mixture of a Venn

:51:35. > :51:39.diagram of joy and anger, where they cross, it is a very bizarre feeling.

:51:40. > :51:43.I would be thrilled to call myself a medallist, but angry that I did not

:51:44. > :51:47.get to experience it at the time eight years ago. So you are hoping

:51:48. > :51:52.to compete in Rio, how would you feel about competing alongside

:51:53. > :51:56.Russian athletes? I would not feel that comfortable with the idea. I

:51:57. > :52:02.believe personally there has to be quite a harsh stand made, and clean

:52:03. > :52:05.athletes will get caught up in this, like there will be the unfortunate

:52:06. > :52:09.cases of clean Russian athletes, if Russia are bad, who do not get to

:52:10. > :52:13.compete at the Olympic Games. But I cannot see any way to send a clear

:52:14. > :52:16.message that the sport is transforming other than to Ban

:52:17. > :52:23.Russia as a whole. If the assessment is that they think enough is being

:52:24. > :52:27.done, would you take that at face value? Probably not. Wada released a

:52:28. > :52:32.report on their recent activity in Russia over the last 6-9 months, and

:52:33. > :52:36.it didn't paint a very clean picture. It doesn't appear from my

:52:37. > :52:41.point of view that the right moves have been made to make sure the

:52:42. > :52:45.sport is clean in Russia. And if that is the case, I really would not

:52:46. > :52:50.be all that comfortable competing against Russian athletes in Rio.

:52:51. > :52:57.Sharron, you lost out to a gold medal to an athlete, a swimmer,

:52:58. > :53:01.later tested positive for banned substances. That was even longer ago

:53:02. > :53:07.for you, how do you feel about everything? Well, I am still very

:53:08. > :53:11.much involved with swimming, and ICO athletes competing against people

:53:12. > :53:17.who have tested positive ones. -- I see our athletes. I think we have to

:53:18. > :53:22.work on bigger deterrence. The Russians are not getting their house

:53:23. > :53:25.in order, this is a state system, not individuals. This is a

:53:26. > :53:30.state-sponsored system, so the only way we can make the Russians behave

:53:31. > :53:34.and do proper testing internally is to come down on the whole country.

:53:35. > :53:38.Personally, I would like to see the whole country, not just track and

:53:39. > :53:42.field, because we can be sure it is not just track and field that is

:53:43. > :53:48.doing this. Do you think much has changed? No, sadly not. That report

:53:49. > :53:52.that has just been talked about, over the past few months there have

:53:53. > :53:55.been 700 tests, many of them cancelled, objects put in front of

:53:56. > :54:01.the testers to make it difficult for them to get to the athletes. 111

:54:02. > :54:09.tests were the athletes could not be found, 58 positive tests. That is

:54:10. > :54:13.not change. So Russian athletes at Rio, yes no? Personally, I would

:54:14. > :54:17.love to see them not there. They have to give a strong deterrent for

:54:18. > :54:21.things to change. You talked about my particular situation, that was

:54:22. > :54:27.the East Germans many years ago. We knew at the time, you could see it,

:54:28. > :54:30.to be honest, they had huge success, nobody did anything about it. There

:54:31. > :54:34.were two victims, people like myself, whose lives could have been

:54:35. > :54:39.different, people who were fourth, maybe could have been medallists,

:54:40. > :54:45.but also those athletes themselves, taking drugs with no idea what the

:54:46. > :54:48.long-term effects are. We should be protecting the clean athletes but

:54:49. > :54:55.also those who have been persuaded to take drugs as well. So then they

:54:56. > :55:01.knew, they did not categorically no, but there were signs. Does everybody

:55:02. > :55:03.look at each other with suspicion? Unfortunately so, I think, now.

:55:04. > :55:11.Certain countries have said they read like more than others, Russia

:55:12. > :55:14.was one of those, thanks to, I guess some high profile cases over the

:55:15. > :55:20.past. We were suspicious when we finished fourth. If we said we would

:55:21. > :55:24.run to: 58, we thought we would have a chance of a medal, and we did not

:55:25. > :55:28.expect Russia to do that. Sometimes people perform better than expected,

:55:29. > :55:32.but we were certainly suspicious, and it seems, this many years later,

:55:33. > :55:37.that perhaps we were vindicated in our suspicion at the time. You have

:55:38. > :55:41.signed a letter to Wada, asking for all countries to be looked at, what

:55:42. > :55:45.do you want to happen? I just think that we really need to move to a new

:55:46. > :55:50.plane of what is normal for sport here. We are losing faith in

:55:51. > :55:54.athletics, in particular. The sport has been really degraded by these

:55:55. > :55:59.ongoing doping scandals. We need to make a clear stand against even the

:56:00. > :56:02.federation as a whole, and that is a big step, one of the biggest

:56:03. > :56:06.decisions we will ever have in Olympic sport, I guess. But I cannot

:56:07. > :56:11.see we will change without doing that. It will be unfair on a few,

:56:12. > :56:16.but how else will we do this? We need all our resources and deterrent

:56:17. > :56:22.available to make a change. So the public can reignite their love for

:56:23. > :56:29.the sport and be sure that what they see is a true performance. Sharron,

:56:30. > :56:33.you are nodding. It is just so sad, and people watch the Olympics and do

:56:34. > :56:38.not know whether it is a drug aided win or not. I just want a healthier

:56:39. > :56:42.nation, I want people to be involved in sport and to love doing it, and

:56:43. > :56:47.we need to work harder to get drug cheats out. Sharron Davies, Andrew

:56:48. > :56:51.steel, thank you very much. Good luck, you are still waiting to hear

:56:52. > :56:56.if you are going to Rio. Coming up, the NHS in England agrees to fund

:56:57. > :57:01.two pioneering drugs that fight skin cancer, we will have the details.

:57:02. > :57:02.Now, let's catch up with the latest weather update with Matt Taylor, how

:57:03. > :57:12.are things looking? Stormy once again, have you managed

:57:13. > :57:15.to avoid them? No, keep getting caught! The Weather Watchers

:57:16. > :57:19.pictures have been capturing the scene, lots of lightning across the

:57:20. > :57:24.UK, some particularly severe storms, this one not far from Heathrow,

:57:25. > :57:28.having an impact on the roads, and airports have been suffering as

:57:29. > :57:32.operations have to be reduced. As well as the lightning, we have seen

:57:33. > :57:38.hail and flooding, and reports quite widely across parts of Oxfordshire

:57:39. > :57:47.of a funnel cloud, a prequel set to tornadoes. -- precursor. That is not

:57:48. > :57:50.uncommon in the UK, but we're not done with the storms yet, and there

:57:51. > :57:55.will be more storms today across the UK, some of them quite severe once

:57:56. > :57:58.again. It is towards parts of the south-east, East Anglia, we have

:57:59. > :58:03.already got thunderstorms rumbling away. It is not just here where wet

:58:04. > :58:06.weather will be confined, a damp day across eastern Scotland and the

:58:07. > :58:08.north-east of England. Lots of cloud, though, sunshine breaking

:58:09. > :58:15.through with lift temperatures across southern areas, and the

:58:16. > :58:18.storms going again. East Anglia and the south-east of the worst ones

:58:19. > :58:25.today, we have to watch conditions closer to Queens and Ascot. In

:58:26. > :58:28.between the areas, there will be heavy showers around, we cannot rule

:58:29. > :58:34.out the odd rumble of thunder, but perhaps not as bad as elsewhere.

:58:35. > :58:41.Further rain, in the north, brightness to the western parts of

:58:42. > :58:45.Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man. In the East of Scotland, and

:58:46. > :58:49.other cool day, heavy rain around Aberdeenshire and the Moray Firth.

:58:50. > :58:52.Through tonight, storms for a time across the south, they will ease

:58:53. > :58:55.away, rain across eastern Scotland slides down through easternmost

:58:56. > :59:00.counties of England, a bit of a breeze here. Not desperately cold,

:59:01. > :59:04.not much lower than double figures for many. It did a weekend, a sign

:59:05. > :59:08.of some good news, goodbye to the storms, this area of high pressure

:59:09. > :59:13.kicks the storms into northern parts of Europe, and it keeps things much

:59:14. > :59:17.dry for many of us. But a completely dry story on Saturday, central and

:59:18. > :59:21.eastern England rather grey, cool, rain and drizzle at times. Nowhere

:59:22. > :59:25.near the intensity of rain as we have seen of late. Most of you will

:59:26. > :59:28.have a dry Saturday, the best warmth across western areas, where

:59:29. > :59:32.temperatures will get into the high teens. As we go into Sunday, it is

:59:33. > :59:39.eastern areas where we will most likely see the driest and brightest

:59:40. > :59:42.weather, and the warmest too. In the West, lots of cloud, patchy rain and

:59:43. > :59:46.drizzle, later in the day more in the way of heavy rain. By and large,

:59:47. > :59:50.compare to this week, the storms are easing, the weekend looking much

:59:51. > :59:53.better, and that is also the same in Kazakhstan, where we have got

:59:54. > :59:57.showers at the moment. Tim Peake returns to earth tomorrow and it is

:59:58. > :00:01.looking brighter across central Kazakhstan, where he is expected to

:00:02. > :00:08.land during tomorrow morning. That is how it is looking, see you soon.

:00:09. > :00:10.Hello it's Friday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

:00:11. > :00:14.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:00:15. > :00:18.Tributes continue to flood in for the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox.

:00:19. > :00:20.Last night vigils were held outside Parliament and in

:00:21. > :00:22.the village of Birstall, where she was shot and stabbed.

:00:23. > :00:25.Her fellow Labour MP and friend Anna Turley has given

:00:26. > :00:28.us her own recollections of Jo Cox...

:00:29. > :00:36.Those smiling pictures you see in the paper, that is what we saw every

:00:37. > :00:41.day, she was always smiling, bundles of energy, she was fizzing with

:00:42. > :00:45.energy and passion and commitment. I'm Jane Hill in Birstall, where

:00:46. > :00:50.local people are arriving in the Market Square all the time to lay

:00:51. > :00:52.flowers. Many simply saying thank you.

:00:53. > :00:55.Also this morning - a charity is accusing the government

:00:56. > :00:57.of ignoring the issue of who cares for our increasingly

:00:58. > :01:05.We'll speak to people who are worried about who'll care for them -

:01:06. > :01:22.Lots of you getting in touch to pay tribute to Jo Cox this morning. John

:01:23. > :01:25.on Facebook, still can't quite believe the events of yesterday and

:01:26. > :01:31.that she is no longer with us. I first met her during the general

:01:32. > :01:34.election campaign in the summer of 2014, we did not always see eye to

:01:35. > :01:40.eye from a political point of view but I was amazed by how she

:01:41. > :01:43.connected with people and she was so caring, embracing everything in

:01:44. > :01:48.front of her, she would always find time for you even know she was so

:01:49. > :01:53.busy. An e-mail from Sarah, we had a wonderful party on her boat where my

:01:54. > :01:56.children were inspired by her fighting and campaigning nature,

:01:57. > :02:01.they became little campaign is because of her. I am privileged to

:02:02. > :02:06.have shared moments of life with her. Thank you for your comments.

:02:07. > :02:13.Keep getting in touch. All of the usual ways. If you text you will be

:02:14. > :02:18.charged that the standard network rate. Let's get back to Jane Hill.

:02:19. > :02:24.We are spending most of the morning looking at the death of Jo Cox and

:02:25. > :02:32.Jane is in Birstall for us. Good morning. From Birstall. Where people

:02:33. > :02:39.are arriving all the time here in the Market Square, to lay flowers,

:02:40. > :02:48.people of all ages, backgrounds, people bringing their children. It

:02:49. > :02:52.is a market town. Now, with a somewhat unwelcome media presence.

:02:53. > :02:56.Journalists from here and overseas as well, not just British

:02:57. > :03:00.journalists, such is the extraordinary nature of what has

:03:01. > :03:05.gone on in the past 24 hours, local people who simply can't believe that

:03:06. > :03:12.this has happened. As the Yorkshire Post says this morning, a young

:03:13. > :03:16.woman murdered in the line of duty. The messages are extraordinarily

:03:17. > :03:20.touching, it is very moving to read them. A lot of cards simply say

:03:21. > :03:26.thank you. One lady in the last few minutes has laid the statuette of an

:03:27. > :03:31.angel and the cards simply says, you worked so hard for us all, and that

:03:32. > :03:36.is one of the things you pick up on from what people are saying, the

:03:37. > :03:43.feeling that Jo Cox really was a terribly hard-working and well liked

:03:44. > :03:47.local MP. She was from this area, of course. She said herself that she

:03:48. > :03:53.was so proud to represent the part of the country that she grew up in.

:03:54. > :03:56.And those local routes very much welcomed and celebrated, and people

:03:57. > :04:06.remembering that here today. And last night. There was a digital in

:04:07. > :04:08.the church last night. -- a vigil. The church was full. Fiona Trott was

:04:09. > :04:12.there and has Trump now. From all backgrounds

:04:13. > :04:14.and all faiths, they came together A woman who was killed

:04:15. > :04:19.while working for them, She was a people person,

:04:20. > :04:25.she was for us. She had so much warmth

:04:26. > :04:39.and compassion. Police say Jo Cox was stabbed and

:04:40. > :04:42.shot near Birstall village library. She was holding a drop-in session

:04:43. > :04:46.for her local constituents. A guy was bent over the woman,

:04:47. > :04:49.I could see her legs sticking out. The words I heard him say

:04:50. > :04:58.was, "Britain first" I can't say exactly what it was,

:04:59. > :05:05.but definitely "Britain first" The BBC understands the man

:05:06. > :05:10.being arrested is called The BBC understands the man being arrested

:05:11. > :05:12.is called Tommy Mair, Jo Cox was more than an MP,

:05:13. > :05:18.she was a wife and mother. In a statement her husband

:05:19. > :05:43.Brendan Cox said... The very heart of this

:05:44. > :05:46.West Yorkshire village remains And the villagers within it

:05:47. > :06:02.are overcome with grief. Fiona is now with me. As people come

:06:03. > :06:05.and lay flowers, what is striking is that many people still have tears in

:06:06. > :06:10.their eyes, people asked Gill stunned. They are, they are walking

:06:11. > :06:15.around in a daze. -- they still are stunned. The school was on lockdown

:06:16. > :06:20.yesterday and they are now trying to get on with their daily business and

:06:21. > :06:24.it's very hard, the heart of the community, the Market Square is

:06:25. > :06:28.still cordoned off, there is a huge police presence. And of course with

:06:29. > :06:32.the media presence that you mentioned, it has hit them that this

:06:33. > :06:37.did happen yesterday, it is very hard for them to come to terms with

:06:38. > :06:42.it. They are trying to come to terms with it by laying floral tributes.

:06:43. > :06:48.They are continuing to grow, and the messages talk about a woman who was

:06:49. > :06:52.interested in their lives, interested in their local campaigns

:06:53. > :06:55.for a pedestrian crossing and one woman mentioned she had a particular

:06:56. > :07:00.personal problem that the MP was helping her with. She got to know

:07:01. > :07:07.her. They both had children of the same age. She really felt the loss

:07:08. > :07:11.for her family. Another message says, she will be remembered for her

:07:12. > :07:15.tireless work for the less fortunate. You get the impression

:07:16. > :07:19.from speaking to people that Jo Cox represented their interests but she

:07:20. > :07:23.was also very interested in them and it will be hard to come to terms

:07:24. > :07:27.with it. The fact that she was born and bred in the region plays an

:07:28. > :07:31.important part here, the Bishop of Huddersfield who we spoke to in the

:07:32. > :07:33.past hour picked up on that, and you get the sense that it was hugely

:07:34. > :07:47.important to her and she was proud to represent the part

:07:48. > :07:49.of the country where she grew up, and it resonated and it meant

:07:50. > :07:52.something to her constituents? It really does. In this part of the

:07:53. > :07:55.world that means a lot. Someone has left a message that says, for eight

:07:56. > :08:02.Yorkshire Rose. The bishop said that she had passion and compassion. --

:08:03. > :08:05.for a Yorkshire rose. You always get a story about every background and

:08:06. > :08:09.every faith, and that was reflected in the vigil last night. And the

:08:10. > :08:15.thoughts about the police investigation, because there is

:08:16. > :08:19.still a lot of police in evidence and police tape crossing the entire

:08:20. > :08:23.Market Square and it is closed off, it is quite a wide police cordoned.

:08:24. > :08:27.What do we know at this stage? I wonder if we can turn the camera

:08:28. > :08:32.around to the streets, I can see out of the corner of my eye, a fingertip

:08:33. > :08:40.search is going on. It looks like an officer is using a rod. They are

:08:41. > :08:48.checking drains. That is the area outside the library where Jo Cox was

:08:49. > :08:51.stabbed and shot yesterday. Still, 52-year-old man has been arrested

:08:52. > :08:55.and is still being questioned by police today, and you can still see

:08:56. > :09:00.here this morning, this huge police cordoned, huge police presence, this

:09:01. > :09:05.investigation is very much continuing. We will talk again a

:09:06. > :09:09.little later, thank you for now. We will talk to local people throughout

:09:10. > :09:11.the day here as you would expect. For now, from here in Birstall, back

:09:12. > :09:15.to you. We can now speak to two more of Jo's

:09:16. > :09:18.friends and Labour colleagues. Caroline Flint attended the vigil

:09:19. > :09:30.in Birstall last night Thank you for joining us. Just a

:09:31. > :09:32.terribly sad day. Yes it is. I think it's important, you know, everything

:09:33. > :09:39.everyone has said about how wonderful and MP she has been, but

:09:40. > :09:42.also what she brought to her commitment and passion to helping

:09:43. > :09:47.those less fortunate in her life before becoming an MP is important.

:09:48. > :09:52.We have lost someone who had so much more to give. The vigil must have

:09:53. > :09:59.been hard so soon after something so shocking. What were emotions like?

:10:00. > :10:04.It must have been very raw? Yes, it was, but I think people were coming

:10:05. > :10:07.together from Birstall and the surrounding areas, myself and

:10:08. > :10:14.colleagues and others from the Labour Party, and it was a chance to

:10:15. > :10:21.just come together, to hold each other, to think of Jo and take a bit

:10:22. > :10:24.of time out from obviously a lot of discussion about what has happened

:10:25. > :10:30.to really focus on the most important thing, thinking about Jo

:10:31. > :10:36.Cox and her family. When you think about her, what do you remember?

:10:37. > :10:51.What I remember is very much what everyone has been saying, someone

:10:52. > :10:54.who was so positive, someone who had worked in some of the most difficult

:10:55. > :10:55.parts of the world, but like many people who get elected was

:10:56. > :10:59.throwing her heart and soul into being the best she could as an MP.

:11:00. > :11:02.It is so poignant in terms of what happened because much of what MPs do

:11:03. > :11:05.is only seen through what we see in the chamber of the House of Commons.

:11:06. > :11:11.There is such another important side to that part of our lives. Very much

:11:12. > :11:20.feet on the ground and working in the constituency and she was just

:11:21. > :11:24.there for the people she grew up with, doing her best, doing her

:11:25. > :11:30.duty. That obviously brings you into close contact with anybody who wants

:11:31. > :11:34.to get up close. The events that the constituency surgeries are well

:11:35. > :11:38.advertised, anyone can turn up. Have you had concerns and had you ever

:11:39. > :11:45.spoken to her about security concerns about anything like that?

:11:46. > :11:51.No. But I think over the years MPs share some of the things that we

:11:52. > :11:56.face and how to handle bump. -- handle them. It is part of our

:11:57. > :11:59.democracy that is very good and positive, I have spoken to MPs from

:12:00. > :12:03.other parts of Europe and America and other parts of the world and

:12:04. > :12:08.they are astonished at the very up close and personal relationship that

:12:09. > :12:13.we have with our constituents and it's a very good thing. I think we

:12:14. > :12:19.also have to be mindful of not just our security but those of our staff

:12:20. > :13:49.as well. And sometimes you have to deal

:13:50. > :13:57.I also recall that only recently she shared with myself and others that

:13:58. > :14:04.she could not make something because she was applying camomile lotion to

:14:05. > :14:07.the chickenpox spots of... With myself and others, she shared that

:14:08. > :14:14.she could not make something because she was applying camomile motion to

:14:15. > :14:18.the... Sorry, we have lost our line to

:14:19. > :14:23.Caroline Flint, but remembering her friend and colleague, Jo Cox, as so

:14:24. > :14:27.many are this morning. Normal Parliamentary business is suspended

:14:28. > :14:30.for now, campaigning in the referendum is suspended. It is not

:14:31. > :14:34.clear when campaigning will resume, but there was supposed to be a big

:14:35. > :14:38.set these events tonight, Andrew Neil talking to Iain Duncan Smith

:14:39. > :14:44.for the latest in his head to head interviews on the referendum. That

:14:45. > :14:49.is not going to be going ahead. There are also some calls for

:14:50. > :14:54.Parliament to be recalled, as MPs struggled to come to terms with what

:14:55. > :15:01.has happened. And we were hearing from one MP, who was a close friend

:15:02. > :15:05.of Jo Cox, saying it would be a good thing for them to get together in

:15:06. > :15:12.Parliament just to talk about her. Caroline, would you like to see

:15:13. > :15:20.Parliament recalled? I think, you know, if we do come back together to

:15:21. > :15:25.Parliament next week... There as part of me that sort of feels that I

:15:26. > :15:29.would like to have something rather like the vigil service in Birstall

:15:30. > :15:35.the other night, last night, where actually we just can come together

:15:36. > :15:41.in a quiet way and think about what Jo and her family and what has

:15:42. > :15:47.happened. I think that is the most important thing at the moment, and

:15:48. > :15:53.there will be time for all of us to talk about our work and what we do

:15:54. > :15:57.and how we deal with that and where we may need to look at security.

:15:58. > :16:01.What I would not like, Joanna macro, is to come back to Parliament and

:16:02. > :16:07.lose sight of what we want to come back for, which is to think about

:16:08. > :16:14.Jo. If we do go back, I do not know that is making sense to you, but I

:16:15. > :16:18.feel like we should come back and reflect in quietness, maybe with a

:16:19. > :16:21.few contributions, and that is what we should be doing, rather than

:16:22. > :16:25.coming back to Parliament and having a bigger debate about the future and

:16:26. > :16:29.what we do about how we work as MPs. I would like to make sure that we

:16:30. > :16:35.focus on what is the most important thing at this present time, thinking

:16:36. > :16:38.about Jo and her family. That is completely clear and understandable.

:16:39. > :16:42.Anything that any of us go through that is shocking, or we lose

:16:43. > :16:51.somebody dear to us, it changes us. You move on eventually, you deal

:16:52. > :16:56.with it in the long term, but do you feel, even though it has just

:16:57. > :17:01.happened, that it might change the way you see politics? How are you

:17:02. > :17:13.feeling this morning about how you contemplate what has happened? Well,

:17:14. > :17:19.I am feeling sorrow, and so sad, you know, fog Jo's loved ones. -- for.

:17:20. > :17:25.In terms of politics, if something comes out of this, it is about

:17:26. > :17:30.understanding that MPs, anybody in political life should be held to

:17:31. > :17:33.account. And when they do things wrong, they should answer for that.

:17:34. > :17:38.But I think we should be really proud of our democracy, and proud of

:17:39. > :17:44.our political system, because for the most part it is a very good

:17:45. > :17:49.system, and people come into politics with the best of reasons,

:17:50. > :17:54.for the most part, and to do a good job. And I think, if anything, if it

:17:55. > :18:00.says something about what MPs do outside of just being in Parliament,

:18:01. > :18:02.and how that is such an important contribution to helping people,

:18:03. > :18:07.ordinary people, have their voices heard. I think that would be a

:18:08. > :18:13.really good thing. Thank you very much, Caroline Flint, friend and

:18:14. > :18:21.colleague of Jo Cox, joining us. Let's talk more about the questions

:18:22. > :18:24.raised about MPs security, touching on security issues there, with

:18:25. > :18:29.Caroline Flint, people are talking about it this morning, it is still

:18:30. > :18:34.very raw, but it is obviously an issue that will be discussed now and

:18:35. > :18:39.in the coming days and weeks. Yes, absolutely, and it is emerging that

:18:40. > :18:44.there were already security concerns surrounding the Labour MP. It

:18:45. > :18:47.emerged that, in March this year, one man was arrested following what

:18:48. > :18:53.has been described as malicious communication. Now, he was given a

:18:54. > :18:57.caution by police. Just to make it clear, the man who received the

:18:58. > :19:01.caution was not the man who was arrested yesterday on suspicion of

:19:02. > :19:04.murder. We have also heard a lot from her colleagues, as we were just

:19:05. > :19:09.hearing them, and other colleagues who have in fact said she was

:19:10. > :19:12.receiving more malicious communication, and police were

:19:13. > :19:16.looking into this. There are reports that police were looking into

:19:17. > :19:20.beefing up the security surrounding her homes, not only in London, but

:19:21. > :19:24.in Yorkshire. And I have been speaking to Lord Kinnock, who knew

:19:25. > :19:28.her extremely well for around 20 years, and he described to me a

:19:29. > :19:29.little bit about what she was like, but also any security concerns she

:19:30. > :19:41.had. Just a little technical issue at the

:19:42. > :19:49.moment, we are just finding that. We can listen to it now, Frankie. She

:19:50. > :19:58.would use her very high intelligence for its best purpose, solving

:19:59. > :20:08.practical problems. Steve, our sun, her colleague, spoke of her last

:20:09. > :20:12.night when we talked to him, as a doer. And that is what you was, she

:20:13. > :20:16.would identify a problem and pursued, and she was prepared to

:20:17. > :20:24.fight on every front - for justice, fair play, common-sense. And this

:20:25. > :20:29.was a woman that couldn't be suppressed. If she had a fault, and

:20:30. > :20:38.I guess everybody has got a fault, it is that she was too modest. Not

:20:39. > :20:44.in any cloying way, not with false modesty, but I used to say to her

:20:45. > :20:49.sometimes, as indeed Glenys did, but a bit harder for your wife, because

:20:50. > :20:57.of the need to get her - not any selfish motive - the need to get

:20:58. > :21:00.hurt. And she just smiled and... There will always be a sort of

:21:01. > :21:12.giggle in her voice, she had that kind of voice. She was full of

:21:13. > :21:15.merriment. Are you OK? Do you... There have been some concerns and

:21:16. > :21:20.reports that she was perceiving some form of hate mail at some point

:21:21. > :21:24.macro, did she ever speak to you or her family about her personal

:21:25. > :21:30.security? Not in solemn terms like that. In any conversation,

:21:31. > :21:37.occasionally in conversation, these things crop up, when people are

:21:38. > :21:43.politically active. When we talk together. And in fact I remarked on

:21:44. > :21:51.the reality that, whilst when I was a Member of Parliament in the 1970s

:21:52. > :21:56.and 1980s, I would occasionally encounter dances that could I guess,

:21:57. > :22:03.be described as dangerous, sometimes because of political antagonism,

:22:04. > :22:08.sharply felt, and sometimes because people were just utterly hopeless.

:22:09. > :22:13.That was Lord Kinnock speaking to me just a little bit earlier, and this

:22:14. > :22:16.seems to be an issue, the security issue, that has been bubbling up

:22:17. > :22:20.over a number of years. There have been incidents in the past, and

:22:21. > :22:24.something I am sure we are going to be discussing much more in the

:22:25. > :22:29.future, Joanna. Thank you, thank you. We're going to speak to Neil

:22:30. > :22:36.Kinnock's some right now, his sun had known Jo for 20 years, and they

:22:37. > :22:41.shared an office with each other. -- son. Upsetting to see your father

:22:42. > :22:45.clearly so deeply affected by this, how are you feeling? Because she was

:22:46. > :22:51.a good family friend, wasn't she? She was, and we are absolutely

:22:52. > :22:59.devastated. It is a terrible, terrible waste, and she was such an

:23:00. > :23:03.amazing person. I have known her for 20 years, and we share an office in

:23:04. > :23:08.Westminster, and I will always remember her coming in in a cycling

:23:09. > :23:12.gear, cycling helmet, grabbing some stuff. She used to use my cupboard

:23:13. > :23:17.as a wardrobe, grabbing some stuff to get changed. We would have a

:23:18. > :23:21.chat, and you knew that if you saw Jo at the beginning of your day,

:23:22. > :23:28.your day was going to be a better day. She just had so much positive

:23:29. > :23:33.energy and optimism and, you know, she was a real fighter for the

:23:34. > :23:39.causes that she believed in, and she inspired us. She inspired all of the

:23:40. > :23:44.new intake of MPs and many, many others. She really had the street

:23:45. > :23:47.cred, she had been out there working in the refugee camps, working with

:23:48. > :23:54.the poorest and most dispossessed people on the planet. And she just

:23:55. > :23:58.had that authority about her, because of that, but also the

:23:59. > :24:02.special charisma and charm that she had, I mean, she was one in a

:24:03. > :24:08.million. She could never ever be replaced. You obviously, as you say,

:24:09. > :24:13.sharing an office, working at close quarters - did she ever talk to you

:24:14. > :24:19.about security worries? Yeah, a little while ago, I mean we all get

:24:20. > :24:26.dozens, almost on a daily basis, of vicious and aggressive e-mails and

:24:27. > :24:32.tweets and Facebook messages, whatever it might be. You just get

:24:33. > :24:36.used to it, it kind of becomes water off a duck's back, but she did

:24:37. > :24:40.mention a little while ago some kind of creepy messages which she had

:24:41. > :24:44.been getting, but I think that is what was reported in the Times

:24:45. > :24:47.today, and I do not think it was related to the tragic events of

:24:48. > :24:54.yesterday. I think that it was something else. But it reflects the

:24:55. > :25:01.fact that sometimes people develop bizarre obsessions and starts to get

:25:02. > :25:05.feelings of violence and aggression, and sometimes public figures like

:25:06. > :25:11.MPs are on the receiving end of that. MPs, when I have a

:25:12. > :25:15.constituency surgeries, are completely accessible to anybody who

:25:16. > :25:21.wants to come and see them. It was just after one of those sessions

:25:22. > :25:26.that Jo was attacked. Does that need to change? Can that change? Well, I

:25:27. > :25:30.think the fact that we are so close to our constituents and very open,

:25:31. > :25:36.and I run surgeries like that on a very regular basis as well, is

:25:37. > :25:39.really important as part of our democratic process. I think it is

:25:40. > :25:46.very important that we hold onto those and protect them as something

:25:47. > :25:51.that we hold dear. But what I think is more where we could add trying to

:25:52. > :25:58.address this issue is around the mood music. It is around the way the

:25:59. > :26:03.media lays into politicians. I mean, you know, of course we have to have

:26:04. > :26:05.a robust debate, but I think it goes over the mark sometimes, and the way

:26:06. > :26:11.politicians sometimes interact with each other, and then of course the

:26:12. > :26:14.way that all gets into the melting parts of social media, and what

:26:15. > :26:21.social media has done as with everything up, where you can, in 140

:26:22. > :26:27.characters, you can completely monster somebody in terms of their

:26:28. > :26:32.reputation, personally, their family, as individuals. That, I

:26:33. > :26:35.think, is dangerous, because it creates a permissive environment,

:26:36. > :26:39.where sometimes it is not that big a jump from saying and writing

:26:40. > :26:45.horrible stuff to actually doing something horrible. And there I

:26:46. > :26:49.think we need to have a conversation about the tone of our politics, and

:26:50. > :26:54.we need to reflect on that in the light of what has happened to Jo.

:26:55. > :26:57.You are talking about the roles of media and social media in that -

:26:58. > :27:00.what about politicians themselves? Do you think that potentially a

:27:01. > :27:09.legacy of this might be gentler politics? I mean, obviously, in the

:27:10. > :27:14.immediate aftermath of anything, people will look at the way things

:27:15. > :27:17.are done, possibly the type of politics you are talking about, but

:27:18. > :27:22.do you believe there may be a long-term impact? Well, I hope so,

:27:23. > :27:27.and I absolutely agree that you cannot just separate media, social

:27:28. > :27:32.media and politics and politicians. It is all part of one big picture,

:27:33. > :27:37.and that conversation has to take place between all of us in terms of

:27:38. > :27:42.what it means to be in public life in this UK, what sort of example we

:27:43. > :27:47.set to others. But then we have to also get some of those people out

:27:48. > :27:55.there, who are full of hatred and anger, to reflect today, and I hope,

:27:56. > :28:00.to dial it down. And while it's down in the long term, not just for a

:28:01. > :28:05.week or two weeks, whilst at the memory of this appalling thing is

:28:06. > :28:09.still raw, but for ever. I think we do need to change the tone, because

:28:10. > :28:13.if we don't, there is such a risk that this sort of thing could even

:28:14. > :28:19.happen again. And what we also have to reflect on is what Jo Cox stood

:28:20. > :28:30.for through her whole life - she stood for the values of decency and

:28:31. > :28:34.into nationalism and... -- international is. And solving

:28:35. > :28:41.problems together in the community, hope not hate, and I hope that those

:28:42. > :28:51.values that she stood for will be something that we can honour, and

:28:52. > :28:56.when I say we, everybody who has an opinion and is out on social media,

:28:57. > :28:59.they need to reflect on what Jo stood for, and they need to think

:29:00. > :29:04.about their own behaviour in that light. It is clearly very upsetting

:29:05. > :29:12.for you to talk about someone who was very dear to you. Finish, if you

:29:13. > :29:17.will, with what... When you think of Jo now, what will be the key thing

:29:18. > :29:20.about her that will come into your mind? You said before that when you

:29:21. > :29:26.met her at the start of the day, you knew the day would be good. That

:29:27. > :29:31.right, she just had that wonderful optimism and hope radiating from

:29:32. > :29:35.her, such a ball of energy, so you just had to be near her and you

:29:36. > :29:39.picked up some of that positive energy, irradiated off her. But I

:29:40. > :29:44.think I will remember her mostly as a mother, and she often used to

:29:45. > :29:50.bring the kids in, she was constantly juggling the demands of a

:29:51. > :29:54.busy job with being the mother of two young kids. They used to come

:29:55. > :29:58.in, they would draw a picture for me, we would always have a chat, two

:29:59. > :30:02.absolutely lovely kids. And I had the privilege of spending a bit of

:30:03. > :30:06.time at their cottage in Monmouthshire, so not that far from

:30:07. > :30:12.my constituency, so I did spend some lovely time there, and I remember

:30:13. > :30:17.going out on a little canoe trip just in the river by their cottage,

:30:18. > :30:21.with her and the kids and Brendan. And I will always remember that,

:30:22. > :30:28.because you saw the way that she was with those kids and how much she

:30:29. > :30:32.loved them and... I think I will probably remember her in that light,

:30:33. > :30:38.more than any other. Thank you very much, Stephen Kinnock.

:30:39. > :30:46.Lots of you have been getting in touch. Kemal has tweeted, we are all

:30:47. > :30:51.shocked, it has happened in a society of tolerance, there are no

:30:52. > :30:54.words. Martin has e-mailed to say, I want to express sympathy to all

:30:55. > :31:01.those who knew her, I am a 60-year-old veteran, I family means

:31:02. > :31:06.everything to me and my heart goes out to hers. Pam has e-mailed,

:31:07. > :31:11.terribly sad, my condolences. She spent time at the GP practice that I

:31:12. > :31:15.managed, to find out about the sharp end of primary care, a very

:31:16. > :31:20.impressive woman who was genuine in her desire to improve life for the

:31:21. > :31:25.ordinary person. Bill has e-mailed to say, she was truly robbed of her

:31:26. > :31:30.life potential, she was a radiant young lady and adoring mother. I

:31:31. > :31:37.feel sick to hear about her taking from her family and friends. William

:31:38. > :31:41.says, I did not know her but I have felt the grief and emotions, I can't

:31:42. > :31:47.believe what happened to this wonderful woman, my heart goes out

:31:48. > :31:52.to her family. Much more tributes still ahead. Also still to come, the

:31:53. > :31:56.pioneering skin cancer drugs that will be available to everyone in

:31:57. > :32:00.England after the NHS agrees to fund them. We will hear from people

:32:01. > :32:04.worried about who will care from them in old age because they don't

:32:05. > :32:13.have children. A new report says that the government should be doing

:32:14. > :32:18.more for the ageing population. Let's catch up with all of the news

:32:19. > :32:20.with Anita in the newsroom. Thank you, Joanna.

:32:21. > :32:23.Vigils have been held for the Labour MP Jo Cox who died yesterday

:32:24. > :32:26.after being shot and stabbed in an assault in her constituency.

:32:27. > :32:29.The 41-year-old mother became an MP in the general election last year.

:32:30. > :32:31.David Cameron said the killing was tragic and dreadful news.

:32:32. > :32:34.She was attacked in the village of Birstall after she held her

:32:35. > :32:39.Russian athletes will find out later today whether they will be allowed

:32:40. > :32:40.to compete in the Rio Olympics following claims

:32:41. > :32:46.Members of the world governing body of athletics

:32:47. > :32:48.are meeting in Vienna to make the decision.

:32:49. > :32:51.The team was suspended earlier this year following a damning report

:32:52. > :33:03.by the World Anti-Doping Agency which alleged systemic cheating.

:33:04. > :33:05.Barack Obama has renewed his appeal for tougher gun control

:33:06. > :33:07.measures to be introduced in the United States.

:33:08. > :33:09.The US President has met survivors and relatives

:33:10. > :33:14.of the 49 people killed in the Orlando nightclub shooting.

:33:15. > :33:16.He called on the Republican-controlled Congress

:33:17. > :33:17.to pass new legislation following the attack,

:33:18. > :33:20.and said all sides should do more to stop such mass

:33:21. > :33:24.As has been true too many times before, I held and hugged grieving

:33:25. > :33:34.And they asked, why does this keep happening?

:33:35. > :33:41.And they pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage.

:33:42. > :33:43.The Labour Party has held the south-London

:33:44. > :33:44.constituency of Tooting, previously held by Sadiq

:33:45. > :33:49.Khan who last month was elected Mayor of London.

:33:50. > :33:52.Rosena Allin-Khan, who's a junior doctor,

:33:53. > :33:54.won with a majority of more than 6,000.

:33:55. > :33:56.A two-minute silence was held during the count

:33:57. > :34:04.Ms Allin-Khan paid tribute to her, instead of giving a victory speech.

:34:05. > :34:07.The American rock star Meat Loaf has been taken to hospital

:34:08. > :34:09.after collapsing on stage during a concert in Canada.

:34:10. > :34:14.Fans at last night's show in Edmonton saw

:34:15. > :34:18.fall down while performing his hit song

:34:19. > :34:21.Canadian media reported the music venue was then cleared

:34:22. > :34:25.Meat Loaf had previously cancelled two recent concerts due to illness.

:34:26. > :34:28.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom

:34:29. > :34:46.See you later, thanks, Anita stops Sally is in Paris again. Over to

:34:47. > :34:49.you. -- thanks, Anita. If you are an England fan you will still be

:34:50. > :34:53.celebrating but heartbreak for Welsh bands after they conceded a

:34:54. > :34:58.last-minute goal. Northern Ireland are still in with a chance of

:34:59. > :35:03.qualifying for the knockout stages after beating Ukraine 2-0. Gareth

:35:04. > :35:06.McAuley put them ahead and then they had to overcome bizarre summer

:35:07. > :35:12.conditions here in France. The hailstorm caused players and

:35:13. > :35:15.officials to run for cover and the match was briefly suspended. They

:35:16. > :35:20.did not bother them much despite heavy Ukrainian pressure.

:35:21. > :35:23.Niall McGinn poked home a second goal lead in stoppage time

:35:24. > :35:30.We did not just come here to make up the numbers.

:35:31. > :35:33.The hard work happened over the past two years.

:35:34. > :35:36.Getting here is just a party from now on and it's a bonus,

:35:37. > :35:39.we are not here to make up the numbers, watch out the Germans,

:35:40. > :35:43.It's amazing, the last ten minutes were so nerve wracking,

:35:44. > :35:51.My prediction was 2-0, I'm glad we won, bring on Germany.

:35:52. > :35:57.30 years of being a Northern Ireland fan, now I know why I've done it.

:35:58. > :36:00.They changed the formation and had a completely different

:36:01. > :36:03.approach, the horizontal rain did it!

:36:04. > :36:10.It's a proud day for me, for the country as well.

:36:11. > :36:12.The first win in the European Championships, it's our first time

:36:13. > :36:21.The level of performance is what I'm most proud of, the players reacted

:36:22. > :36:23.to the defeat in the first game and the disappointment

:36:24. > :36:35.I thought today every one was magnificent.

:36:36. > :36:39.England are top of group B after beating Wales 2-1. Their first

:36:40. > :36:42.victory of this championship. Daniel Sturridge scored in injury

:36:43. > :36:44.time to clinch the dramatic win. Wales had lead at half-time before

:36:45. > :36:47.Roy Hodgson made a double substitution which paid off

:36:48. > :36:50.as Jamie Vardy equalised and then Daniel Sturridge put them

:36:51. > :36:53.on the brink of qualification with his goal, and that prompted

:36:54. > :37:01.jubilation from the manager! As you saw on the bench,

:37:02. > :37:10.probably the most spontaneous exhibition - if you like -

:37:11. > :37:12.of pure joy from myself that we have seen for a fair while,

:37:13. > :37:17.but that is what these tournaments do to you, they make

:37:18. > :37:29.certain that you suffer. We are here to get into the last 16

:37:30. > :37:33.and we have always said that. It was always the middle game of three. We

:37:34. > :37:38.are gutted. We have to move on and put this Tibet and show a reaction.

:37:39. > :37:42.We play on Monday against that of Russian team knowing that if we get

:37:43. > :37:43.a good result, then we are still in the tournament, so it is still all

:37:44. > :37:47.to play for. I think you will like this,

:37:48. > :37:50.if you want to impress Jockey Ryan Moore rode

:37:51. > :37:57.Order Of Saint George to victory in the Gold Cup at Ascot,

:37:58. > :38:06.have a look at this. The moment of the presentation, you

:38:07. > :38:11.cannot get more colour-coordinated than that! I wonder if they had a

:38:12. > :38:16.little conversation beforehand to work it out. That's it from me, I

:38:17. > :38:19.will have more sport throughout the morning. See you later, Sally.

:38:20. > :38:23.The NHS in England is to pay for two pioneering cancer drugs that use

:38:24. > :38:35.James Gallagher is here. What are these drugs and how effective have

:38:36. > :38:40.they been? Let's go back in time ten years and think what was happening

:38:41. > :38:43.to patients with advanced melanoma. The average life span was nine

:38:44. > :38:49.months after diagnosis but with these drugs, they give the immune

:38:50. > :38:54.system boost and allow it to attack cancer which we will explain in a

:38:55. > :38:57.bit, but two years after starting the therapy 69% of patients have

:38:58. > :39:02.tumours that are shrinking, most of these would have been dead before,

:39:03. > :39:06.and a fifth have no sign of cancer at all. Remarkable difference

:39:07. > :39:11.compared to ten years ago. Extraordinary. It has been so

:39:12. > :39:15.effective that it has been fast-track. This is almost unheard

:39:16. > :39:22.of in terms of the speed of drugs being officially licensed. The NHS

:39:23. > :39:28.say this will be offered to every suitable patient in England. There

:39:29. > :39:32.is a body called Nice that approves drugs for England but it is hugely

:39:33. > :39:37.influential in the rest of the UK, Wales and Northern Ireland etc will

:39:38. > :39:40.follow suit. This is great news for skin cancer treatment but in terms

:39:41. > :39:45.of the bigger picture and immunotherapy for cancer patients,

:39:46. > :39:51.does it kind of have implications for that? These have been tried, I

:39:52. > :39:56.have just returned from the world's biggest cancer conference in

:39:57. > :40:01.America, and it is the talk of the town, everybody thinks this will be

:40:02. > :40:04.one of the great pillars of cancer treatment, alongside radiotherapy,

:40:05. > :40:08.this will be the next big thing in treating cancer. One of the things

:40:09. > :40:14.that is so exciting is that it has a really long-term effect. They seem

:40:15. > :40:19.to fail after a few months, and then Michu resists the treatment and the

:40:20. > :40:23.patient dies. For immunotherapy, it only works really well in a small

:40:24. > :40:27.subset of patients but for those for whom it works it lasts for years

:40:28. > :40:31.with a really beneficial effect. Thank you very much. Let's talk more

:40:32. > :40:42.about the tragic loss of Jo Cox. Her husband Brendan posted this

:40:43. > :40:47.photograph and said she had an energy and zest for life that would

:40:48. > :40:50.exhaust most people. They divided their time between their

:40:51. > :40:54.constituency in West Yorkshire and living in a houseboat on the Thames.

:40:55. > :40:58.Their commute to Westminster was something out of the ordinary, too.

:40:59. > :41:05.Normally I hope to be zipping down to the House of Commons about half

:41:06. > :41:10.an hour away from where I live. On a little speedboat. This is a way to

:41:11. > :41:15.start the day, isn't it?! Yorkshire born and bred, she only became an MP

:41:16. > :41:21.last year and at that time she spoke of her joy at representing her proud

:41:22. > :41:24.and no-nonsense constituency. The spirit of nonconformity is as

:41:25. > :41:30.present now in my part of West Yorkshire as it was in the time of

:41:31. > :41:34.my two media predecessors, Mike would and Elizabeth Peacock. They

:41:35. > :41:38.were both known for their own brand of independent, nonconformist

:41:39. > :41:43.service. Albeit in very different ways. I intend to maintain that

:41:44. > :41:49.established tradition in my own unique style. Before her election

:41:50. > :41:53.she was a tireless campaigner, and aid worker. She spent ten years

:41:54. > :41:57.working in international development which took her to conflict zones

:41:58. > :42:02.around the world. She met her husband Brendan working for Oxfam

:42:03. > :42:05.who described her as a passionate campaigner on humanitarian issues.

:42:06. > :42:10.She worked closely with Sarah Brent on, the wife of former Prime

:42:11. > :42:14.Minister Gordon Brown. When we spoke to her last October she called

:42:15. > :42:19.repeatedly for Britain to do more to help the victims of the Syrian Civil

:42:20. > :42:24.War. I spent ten years as an aid worker in many conflict zones around

:42:25. > :42:28.the world and I have seen that military intervention saves lives,

:42:29. > :42:33.it did in Kosovo, Bosnia and Sierra Leone. A case can be made when you

:42:34. > :42:36.have an intervention grounded in the protection of innocent civilians,

:42:37. > :42:40.and military component can save lives. My big proposal when we

:42:41. > :42:44.debate this will be that the government should consider a no

:42:45. > :42:49.bombing zone to stop President Assad raining down aerial bombardment on

:42:50. > :42:54.innocent people, killing grandmothers and mums and dads, and

:42:55. > :42:58.change the dynamic and force him to the table.

:42:59. > :43:00.Holly Lynch is the Labour MP for Halifax and was

:43:01. > :43:13.Holly, thank you for joining us at this very difficult time. How close

:43:14. > :43:18.were you to Jo? We were both newly elected last year, both obviously

:43:19. > :43:22.MPs from the same area of West Yorkshire. Both represented quite

:43:23. > :43:28.similar constituencies actually, we would regularly swap notes about

:43:29. > :43:32.what was working, what was best practice, the challenges we had and

:43:33. > :43:36.how to share information and good ideas about campaigns. She really

:43:37. > :43:40.was an incredible woman and I was her whip as well when I was asked to

:43:41. > :43:44.join the whip's office towards the end of last year. We had a close

:43:45. > :43:51.working relationship but we were good friends as well. What did you

:43:52. > :43:54.take from her? She really was like people have already said, a ball of

:43:55. > :43:58.energy, she was incredibly dynamic in the way she went about her

:43:59. > :44:01.politics and she came in with a real clarity of what she was trying to

:44:02. > :44:06.achieve in Westminster. She really did not waste any time in getting on

:44:07. > :44:10.with that. We have heard tributes from right across the chamber, right

:44:11. > :44:14.across the benches and all over the UK, she really did build support for

:44:15. > :44:26.the arguments she was making from everywhere, and that was grounded in

:44:27. > :44:29.her vast experience of the issues that she was quite often working on.

:44:30. > :44:32.She would take people with her and was really able to make a difference

:44:33. > :44:35.in Westminster in the time that she had on that basis. It was said that

:44:36. > :44:37.she seemingly had more hours in the day than anyone because of how much

:44:38. > :44:42.she packed in, what was her secret? I really could not tell you, I do

:44:43. > :44:48.not know. As we have heard she was rooted in her family as well, two

:44:49. > :44:51.young kids, the kids recently had chickenpox, and she would always

:44:52. > :44:55.update you on the trials and tribulations of being a working mum

:44:56. > :45:00.with two young children, she was besotted with them. On top of that

:45:01. > :45:04.she was this incredibly dynamic MP who managed to achieve so much and

:45:05. > :45:09.she really did set the standard for all of us. About what was possible

:45:10. > :45:12.when you really got stuck in, and this is such a tragedy that she just

:45:13. > :45:20.had those humans with us in Westminster. -- those few months.

:45:21. > :45:25.It seems a lot of people were looking at where her career may have

:45:26. > :45:30.led, what were your thoughts? She had a confidence in our own

:45:31. > :45:35.convictions, when she was speaking, that was very much rooted in her

:45:36. > :45:38.vast experience. When she spoke, she knew she had a mandate to represent

:45:39. > :45:45.those people who had elected. She really did get on with the job, and

:45:46. > :45:49.you could see she was going to go on to great things in Westminster. So,

:45:50. > :45:54.so sad that you won't have the opportunity to do that. Yeah. There

:45:55. > :46:00.has been research done on the vulnerability of MPs, because of the

:46:01. > :46:04.nature of the job. I mean, obviously, what happened to her

:46:05. > :46:07.happened after she had been in contact with constituents, it is

:46:08. > :46:13.something that all MPs do when they go to their constituency, and meet

:46:14. > :46:18.local people, whether it is in a formal session or whether they are

:46:19. > :46:24.out shopping or whatever it is. Did she ever talk to you about any

:46:25. > :46:29.concerns? Well, I think, for all of us that came in in 2015, you do have

:46:30. > :46:33.to get used to the way Westminster works, but also you do have to get

:46:34. > :46:38.quite thick skin quite quickly, actually. It took all us back a

:46:39. > :46:43.little bit, because the nature of the jobs that you engaged with a lot

:46:44. > :46:46.of people, and the nature of democracy is you meet people with a

:46:47. > :46:50.different opinion to yours. You have to listen to all of those, and you

:46:51. > :46:54.try to take those views and opinions with you in your decision-making.

:46:55. > :46:58.There is a challenge, I think, and how we manage that. We have seen

:46:59. > :47:03.that there are people who struggle to articulate that in a way that is

:47:04. > :47:07.responsible and respectable, in going about their business of an MP

:47:08. > :47:11.and engaging on issues where you might have different opinions, but

:47:12. > :47:15.you have already mentioned that Jo was just going about her business as

:47:16. > :47:20.a hard-working MP in a constituency. She was holding an advice surgery,

:47:21. > :47:25.something we all do. You try to make yourself as available as possible as

:47:26. > :47:29.an MP. And so we do have to think about how we can ensure the safety

:47:30. > :47:33.of those people coming to the surgery as well, but our staff, who

:47:34. > :47:39.are often with us, and it would be really sad if we have to change the

:47:40. > :47:42.way we start engaging with people to reflect these very serious but

:47:43. > :47:46.unusual incidents. Holly, thank you very much for joining us with your

:47:47. > :47:53.memories and thoughts this morning. Thank you. Much more coverage coming

:47:54. > :48:01.up on the sad death of Jo Cox with any two Newsroom Live -- with Anita

:48:02. > :48:03.on Newsroom Live. Do you ever worry about who will

:48:04. > :48:06.take care of you in old age? Many elderly people can rely

:48:07. > :48:09.on their children for extra support. But what about those

:48:10. > :48:11.who don't have children? Many say they feel

:48:12. > :48:13.invisible or ignored - according to the charity Ageing

:48:14. > :48:16.without Children - which is calling for a national strategy to deal

:48:17. > :48:19.with issues around ageing. One in five people over the age

:48:20. > :48:21.of 50 don't have children. Britain is an ageing society,

:48:22. > :48:25.with approximately 23 million The number of people aged 60

:48:26. > :48:32.or over is expected to pass A separate adult social care

:48:33. > :48:36.inquiry was launched Here to discuss this

:48:37. > :48:42.issue is Kirsty Woodard, the founder of

:48:43. > :48:46.Ageing without Children She has cared for her elderly mother

:48:47. > :48:51.with dementia for ten years, Ming is worried about who will look

:48:52. > :48:56.after her when she gets older. Sue Lister is 71,

:48:57. > :48:59.and a lesbian with no children. Her partner Anne has children

:49:00. > :49:16.and grandchildren in Vancouver. Thank you all very much for joining

:49:17. > :49:22.us for this conversation. Kirsty, you founded the charity DRS, why did

:49:23. > :49:25.you decide to do that? I have spent 20 years working with older people,

:49:26. > :49:29.so I have always been passionately interested in the effect of ageing

:49:30. > :49:33.on society, but it was really when I came to realise about two years ago

:49:34. > :49:37.that I would never have children of my own that I suddenly thought, what

:49:38. > :49:42.about the older people I have worked with who do not have family? That is

:49:43. > :49:46.going to be me in a 30 or 40 years' time, what is going to happen to me?

:49:47. > :49:50.Because I had seen what had happened to them, and I thought, we have to

:49:51. > :49:55.do better than this, we have to have solutions, because it is a growing

:49:56. > :50:00.number of the population now. And what have you seen happening to

:50:01. > :50:08.people getting old without children? Generally speaking, they are

:50:09. > :50:09.overlooked and ignored, not because people were overtly being horrible

:50:10. > :50:12.or anything, but generally speaking, if they were in a hospital bed, and

:50:13. > :50:16.there were not children to advocate for them, or come along and make

:50:17. > :50:21.sure that they had water or were being taken to the loo or whatever,

:50:22. > :50:25.because the nursing staff are very stretched in rushing about, often

:50:26. > :50:28.they would just get overlooked. I have seen, again, people I had

:50:29. > :50:32.worked with who were trying to get support from social care, buried of

:50:33. > :50:40.the girls to navigate that system on your own. -- very difficult to

:50:41. > :50:45.navigate. Often I would be working with people and their children, we

:50:46. > :50:49.would be getting services in place. People without children, they don't

:50:50. > :50:53.have that extra person to help, they don't have that extra hand who is

:50:54. > :50:58.kind of holding and saying, you know, it will be OK, we will sort

:50:59. > :51:02.this out. Ming, you have been this person for your mum, and now we were

:51:03. > :51:07.worried there is no-one for you when you get older. I did not become

:51:08. > :51:12.consciously worried about it, but it occurred to me when I noticed the

:51:13. > :51:15.campaign, and I thought, gosh, yes, that does apply to me. You don't go

:51:16. > :51:19.through your life, thinking, what will happen to me when I get older?

:51:20. > :51:23.The campaign is encouraging people to think about those issues before

:51:24. > :51:28.it becomes a practical necessity. Because my mum has dementia, she has

:51:29. > :51:31.had it coming on her for 20 years, and throughout all of that time she

:51:32. > :51:36.has retained a level of quite good social function. So she has never

:51:37. > :51:41.considered that she needed help at all, but she was not aware of the

:51:42. > :51:45.increasing needs that she had, and I gradually assumed all of those

:51:46. > :51:49.responsibilities. It is supple, it is gradual, it comes up over a long

:51:50. > :51:53.period of time, and it is only when it gets into crisis mode that you

:51:54. > :51:57.realise how much it does entail. And if you had not been a glance, what

:51:58. > :52:03.do you think would have happened? I do not think my mum would be here

:52:04. > :52:08.today. She's coming up on 90 now, and I am lucky she is in a good

:52:09. > :52:12.home, which I have trust in, but if she had not been able to find a

:52:13. > :52:17.place there, if I had not found that place and supported her to live well

:52:18. > :52:20.in it now, frankly, I don't think she would be alive now. She was

:52:21. > :52:27.getting into crisis regularly before she went into care, not being able

:52:28. > :52:32.to feed herself, look after her domestic circumstances, finances,

:52:33. > :52:37.physical abilities, appointments, advocacy, everything, really. It

:52:38. > :52:41.puts a big burden on you. Yes, it is, and you do it because you love

:52:42. > :52:44.somebody when it is your family, you do it without thinking, because that

:52:45. > :52:49.is the way your relationship works. That is what people need to

:52:50. > :52:53.consider, advocacy is a huge part of caring for someone, and if you do

:52:54. > :52:57.not have that emotional investment, it is hard to think you will take on

:52:58. > :53:04.that level of responsibility. Sue, you have no children of your own,

:53:05. > :53:10.your partner has children in Canada, are you worried about who will fill

:53:11. > :53:14.that role for you as you get older? No, because the quality of life is

:53:15. > :53:23.what I care about, so when my quality of life gets beyond what I

:53:24. > :53:29.am willing that my if I am in pain, I am a campaign, so the whole spirit

:53:30. > :53:32.of Jo Cox is in fusing me and the millions of people who campaign for

:53:33. > :53:40.a more peaceful and a better life around the world. I have joined

:53:41. > :53:46.Dignity In Dying so that if I am within six months of a terminal

:53:47. > :53:49.illness, I want the right to die. I am an atheist, my life is my

:53:50. > :53:55.responsibility, I want to die when I want to die, whose life is it

:53:56. > :54:01.anyway? So I am not worried about it, but what I have done is start

:54:02. > :54:09.following Kirsty's campaign, starting a group in York, and there

:54:10. > :54:12.the people from a total range of reasons why they are there. 50 years

:54:13. > :54:19.married and now they are living alone with no children, never having

:54:20. > :54:25.had children, wondering where to turn. We did a survey, 35% of people

:54:26. > :54:30.did not know where to turn, they were blank, they haven't thought

:54:31. > :54:35.about it. Somebody said that the social services, God help us!

:54:36. > :54:43.Another one said, if it gets too bad, I'd rather die. The Government,

:54:44. > :54:48.this needs to be put on the agenda. People need to do the thinking - if

:54:49. > :55:06.we have got a hugely ageing society, with a huge percentage of people,

:55:07. > :55:09.especially in lesbian, gay, bi and trans, 80% of whom do not have

:55:10. > :55:17.children, we need to put this on the agenda and take care of each other.

:55:18. > :55:21.Kirsty, Ming outline the list of things she does for her mum, how do

:55:22. > :55:26.you find someone who does not have the emotional investment to fulfil

:55:27. > :55:30.that role? What are your answers to this issue? Well, that is one of the

:55:31. > :55:35.reasons why we did the report, was to try and think of some solutions,

:55:36. > :55:39.because at the moment there are not a lot of solutions at there. One of

:55:40. > :55:44.the things we are calling for is a national strategy, because this is a

:55:45. > :55:47.very big problem, a wicked problem, and we need everybody to get around

:55:48. > :55:52.the table and work together to come up with solutions. We talk in the

:55:53. > :55:57.report about investment in advocacy services, we certainly need that.

:55:58. > :56:02.Are there many services as at the moment? Do they do a good job?

:56:03. > :56:07.Advocacy services are fantastic, but they are incredibly overstretched,

:56:08. > :56:13.and are funded. They rely mostly on local authority funding. We know how

:56:14. > :56:20.hard that is being hit. Or they are lying on funding from charitable

:56:21. > :56:25.trusts, which is time-limited. -- they are relying. Sue, I heard what

:56:26. > :56:30.you said, obviously, about the fact that quality of life is what matters

:56:31. > :56:34.to you, and it did not seem to be link with a lack of having children

:56:35. > :56:37.- do you think you would feel differently if you did have children

:56:38. > :56:48.to guide you through your final days? I have never wanted children.

:56:49. > :56:51.I joined a group in Vancouver called No Kidding because of the stigma

:56:52. > :56:58.attached to people who did not want children, had never wanted children,

:56:59. > :57:10.and had travelled the world, had explored, have lived a life full of

:57:11. > :57:15.curious at Yanda wonder and awe. My family line comes to an end with my

:57:16. > :57:18.sister, myself and my brother. That is it. Actually, we are hoping the

:57:19. > :57:26.human population to keep itself down. But I am not worried about

:57:27. > :57:34.that, because I am living life to the full, now. It is very important

:57:35. > :57:41.to appreciate what we are given, and I am looking through this campaign

:57:42. > :57:51.to create peer support and peer caring, so that our groups, the

:57:52. > :57:56.ageing groups without children can and stand what it is like and be

:57:57. > :58:03.there for one another. Thank you all very much. BBC newsroom life is

:58:04. > :58:11.coming up next. Thank you for your company today. -- Newsroom Life.

:58:12. > :58:16.Rebecca has e-mailed, I never knew Jo Cox, but we are so shocked that

:58:17. > :58:20.this could happen to a vibrant mother, wife and MP. Amanda has

:58:21. > :58:24.said, tears for Jo Cox, such a tragic waste of a beautiful soul.

:58:25. > :58:32.There are more tributes coming up on the BBC News Channel. Bye-bye.

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