21/06/2016

:00:07. > :00:13.Our top story today: Only two days to go until you get

:00:14. > :00:15.to vote in one of the biggest political decisions

:00:16. > :00:25.If you're still undecided, we've got two politicians

:00:26. > :00:39.Hello, I urge you to Vote Leave because we can take back control of

:00:40. > :00:42.our borders and our economy. I'm urging you to stay in the European

:00:43. > :00:45.Union because we already control so much of our own affairs and it's the

:00:46. > :00:50.best thing for you and your family economically. Also some undecided

:00:51. > :00:54.voters will put their questions our politicians.

:00:55. > :00:57.England and Wales are through -

:00:58. > :01:00.but in markedly contrasting style.

:01:01. > :01:05.An incredible performance from Wales, beating Russia 3-0 last

:01:06. > :01:07.night. England are also through but they could only manage a goalless

:01:08. > :01:10.draw against Slovakia. And an annual dog meat festival has

:01:11. > :01:13.begun in south-west China - around 10,000 animals

:01:14. > :01:14.will be slaughtered. Critics say it's inhumane

:01:15. > :01:16.and should be banned - but supporters say eating dogs is no

:01:17. > :01:31.different from consuming TRANSLATION: Our ultimate goal is

:01:32. > :01:37.that the country can make a law to protect animals, especially the dogs

:01:38. > :01:40.ear. Translate Bob it has been a tradition for us for years to

:01:41. > :01:41.celebrate the festival. You can't change it simply because they love

:01:42. > :01:53.dogs. This morning, we're going to play

:01:54. > :01:59.you in full some of those moving and poignant tributes

:02:00. > :02:01.to the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox In the next two hours, we'll hear

:02:02. > :02:07.how she was described by her friends and fellow Labour MPs Rachel Reeves,

:02:08. > :02:12.Stephen Kinnock and Alison McGovern, and we'll hear tributes

:02:13. > :02:14.from her Conservative colleagues Do stay with us to watch those -

:02:15. > :02:20.and you're welcome to send If you text, you will be charged

:02:21. > :02:28.at the standard network rate. David Cameron's former

:02:29. > :02:30.chief advisor says the Prime Minister was warned

:02:31. > :02:33.by civil servants four years ago that it would be "impossible"

:02:34. > :02:36.to meet the Government's key Steve Hilton claims Mr Cameron

:02:37. > :02:43.was told "explicitly and directly" that EU free movement rules meant

:02:44. > :02:48.net migration could not be reduced Let's chat to our political guru

:02:49. > :03:01.Norman Smith at Westminster. What sort of impact is this having?

:03:02. > :03:08.I imagine Mr Cameron's feeling pretty bruised because Steve Hilton

:03:09. > :03:12.was one of his closest personal and political colleagues and here he is

:03:13. > :03:16.taking chunks out of the PM with a fairly blunt charge this morning,

:03:17. > :03:19.namely that there is no chance of getting net migration down to his

:03:20. > :03:24.target of the tens of thousands so long as we are in the EU. Or than

:03:25. > :03:30.that, Mr Cameron was told as much by his own officials back in 2012 when

:03:31. > :03:37.they had a stop meeting to discuss the policy, and Mr Hilton goes on to

:03:38. > :03:40.accuse what he called an insular elite of decrying and demeaning

:03:41. > :03:43.people over their concerns about immigration, and he suggests it is

:03:44. > :03:48.corrosive of trust in British politics. Number Ten are saying they

:03:49. > :03:55.can't recall anything about this meeting at all and interesting,

:03:56. > :03:59.today, we've heard from others, like Alan Johnson, who is heading up the

:04:00. > :04:03.Labour side of the Remain campaign, arguing that even if we leave the

:04:04. > :04:08.European Union, then there are still going to be high levels of net

:04:09. > :04:13.migration into the UK. Have a listen to what Mr Johnson said.

:04:14. > :04:16.This is not a referendum on immigration - still less David

:04:17. > :04:20.If people vote to leave on the basis of immigration, I'm afraid they'll

:04:21. > :04:22.find that they're going to be in exactly the same

:04:23. > :04:25.situation because the issues are complex and leaving the EU

:04:26. > :04:27.Indeed in terms of illegal immigration and immigration

:04:28. > :04:38.from outside the EU, it'll make our situation worse.

:04:39. > :04:43.Both sides in this referendum scurry around trying to get big-name

:04:44. > :04:46.backers, celebrities, to come in on their side. For example, we've had

:04:47. > :04:53.Benedict Cumberbatch and Keira Knightley saying they supporting

:04:54. > :04:54.Remain and the new fad figures like Ian Botham and Michael Caine saying

:04:55. > :04:58.they are backing Brexit today. Ian Botham and Michael Caine saying

:04:59. > :05:03.they are backing Brexit Today we have the Uber celebrity David

:05:04. > :05:07.Beckham. He has issued a statement strongly backing Remain at his

:05:08. > :05:13.arguments are that he has played in a lot of different countries -

:05:14. > :05:17.Madrid, Milan - and with a lot of foreign players, like Peter

:05:18. > :05:21.Schmeichel, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, and from that experience he has

:05:22. > :05:27.gleaned that we are better cooperating and working together and

:05:28. > :05:32.he urges people to think of their children and think of their

:05:33. > :05:36.grandchildren when they are making this decision but he firmly believes

:05:37. > :05:41.we are better voting to stay in. It is always a moot point how much

:05:42. > :05:45.impact the celebrity endorsements have but there was a funny point

:05:46. > :05:48.this morning on the Today programme when Michael Gove had just finished

:05:49. > :05:54.doing an interview with Nick Robinson and the news came through

:05:55. > :05:57.that David Beckham had endorsed Remain and they quickly picked up

:05:58. > :06:01.Michael Gove on David Beckham's endorsement just as he was leaving

:06:02. > :06:05.the studio. David Beckham has just come out saying he is voting for

:06:06. > :06:13.Remain in the EU referendum and Michael Gove, who is leaving the

:06:14. > :06:16.studio... John Barnes is for Leave and as a QPR fan, I know what it's

:06:17. > :06:22.like to support the underdog in any event. Thank you very much. I go

:06:23. > :06:26.through days, weeks, months here never learning anything particularly

:06:27. > :06:30.new. Today I have learnt something new and that is that Michael Gove is

:06:31. > :06:33.a QPR fan. Somehow I never thought of him going down to Loftus Road but

:06:34. > :06:36.there you are, he is a QPR fan. Thank you very much.

:06:37. > :06:38.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:39. > :06:43.Measures to tighten gun controls following the attack at a gay

:06:44. > :06:45.nightclub in Florida, in which 49 people were killed,

:06:46. > :06:48.Four proposals were brought before the Senate.

:06:49. > :06:50.But it rejected plans to tighten gun controls,

:06:51. > :06:54.including the restriction of weapons sales to people

:06:55. > :06:57.Senators disagreed about how to prevent more attacks

:06:58. > :07:03.A British man accused of trying to assassinate Donald Trump has

:07:04. > :07:06.Michael Sandford didn't enter a plea to a charge

:07:07. > :07:12.Investigators say he told them he drove to a rally held

:07:13. > :07:14.by the Republican presidential candidate on Saturday

:07:15. > :07:23.Our correspondent James Cook has the latest from Las Vegas.

:07:24. > :07:32.The allegation is that he tried to grapple a gun from the hands or the

:07:33. > :07:35.belt of a police officer here at the Treasure Island hotel in Las Vegas

:07:36. > :07:41.on Saturday, where Donald Trump was holding a rally. Prosecutors,

:07:42. > :07:45.according to documents a bit of a court, are citing the Secret

:07:46. > :07:48.Service's account. They have interviewed Mr Sandford and they say

:07:49. > :07:52.that he told them that he had travelled all the way from

:07:53. > :07:56.California to Nevada, some distance, to do this, that he had stopped on

:07:57. > :08:01.the Friday to practice, to learn to shoot at a firing range. Apparently

:08:02. > :08:04.the suggestion was he had never actually fired a gun before and that

:08:05. > :08:08.he intended to kill Mr Trump. It is said that he had a ticket for

:08:09. > :08:12.another Donald Trump rally later that day in Casey was not successful

:08:13. > :08:15.in the first one and he is said to have told the Secret Service that he

:08:16. > :08:21.was prepared to die, he expected to die, in this attempt at top court

:08:22. > :08:24.hearing few hours ago is at an early stage and was a preliminary hearing

:08:25. > :08:29.and there was no opportunity for him to make a plea. He was a mandolin

:08:30. > :08:32.custody and will be kept. The judge said he could potentially be

:08:33. > :08:36.dangerous and potentially posed a flight risk as well. There was some

:08:37. > :08:40.evidence that he may have had mental health issues in the past but the

:08:41. > :08:47.lawyer who has been appointed by the court doubt on his behalf suggested

:08:48. > :08:48.that was competent. He was not diagnosed as mentally ill at this

:08:49. > :08:51.moment and he is due to appear in court again on July the 5th.

:08:52. > :08:54.Parts of Brussels are on high alert after a police arrested a man acting

:08:55. > :08:55.suspiciously in the centre of the city.

:08:56. > :08:58.The area around the City2 shopping centre, a major commercial hub

:08:59. > :09:05.in the middle of the Belgian capital, was sealed off and bomb

:09:06. > :09:05.disposal teams have been called in - although it's thought that no

:09:06. > :09:07.explosives were found on the suspect.

:09:08. > :09:09.Figures obtained by the NSPCC suggest the internet is being used

:09:10. > :09:15.by people across England and Wales to commit eight sexual offences

:09:16. > :09:20.The crimes include inciting children to take part in a sexual act,

:09:21. > :09:23.grooming victims before meeting them and live-streaming abuse.

:09:24. > :09:30.The online world is playing a significant role in the sexual

:09:31. > :09:37.abuse of children in the UK, according to the NSPCC.

:09:38. > :09:39.The charity says predatory adults posing as children online have,

:09:40. > :09:42.in the last year, committed an array of offences, including

:09:43. > :09:49.grooming victims, serious sexual assault, and rape.

:09:50. > :09:54.In a new report entitled How Safe Are Our Children, it

:09:55. > :09:56.found that 3128 sex offences involved victims

:09:57. > :10:15.This is the first time police forces have been asked to flag crimes

:10:16. > :10:17.involving the internet, so comparisons with previous years

:10:18. > :10:19.just aren't possible, but it likely that the true

:10:20. > :10:21.figures are much higher, because at least six police forces

:10:22. > :10:30.Sir Cliff Richard has said the stress of being publicly named

:10:31. > :10:33.as a suspect of sexual crimes that he did not commit was so severe

:10:34. > :10:40.The singer has recently been told the allegations will not be pursued.

:10:41. > :10:43.He's told the Daily Mail he's been left physically and emotionally

:10:44. > :10:46.exhausted by a two-year ordeal that began when South Yorkshire Police

:10:47. > :10:52.raided his home after an apparent tip-off.

:10:53. > :10:54.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:10:55. > :11:06.Frank Yury much. Do get into achievers in the usual ways,

:11:07. > :11:09.particularly if you England all Wales supporter. -- thank you very

:11:10. > :11:10.much. If you text, you will be charged

:11:11. > :11:18.at the standard network rate. Let's go to Sally in Paris. I assume

:11:19. > :11:22.you're watching both keeping an eye on both but an England supporter, it

:11:23. > :11:25.was tortuous, wasn't it? I managed to watch both games quite

:11:26. > :11:31.neutrally and got very much caught up in the excitement of the Wales

:11:32. > :11:34.game. And actually, let's remember, England are through. It wasn't the

:11:35. > :11:37.best performance but they are through. England and Wales through

:11:38. > :11:42.to the knockout stages of Euro 2016 after those games last night. Chris

:11:43. > :11:46.Coleman's side outclassed Russia, 3-0,. Their group at their first

:11:47. > :11:49.European Championship, with England second after being held to a

:11:50. > :11:56.frustrating nil mill draw to Slovakia.

:11:57. > :12:02.On top of the group, on top of the world.

:12:03. > :12:04.A nigh that meant so much for Welsh football - for some,

:12:05. > :12:08.Wales might have gone out yesterday, but where was the tension?

:12:09. > :12:10.Certainly not in the mind of the Aaron Ramsey,

:12:11. > :12:13.who finished this as if he was playing in the park.

:12:14. > :12:17.Russia had looked flaky before this game, but now they disintegrated.

:12:18. > :12:19.Neil Taylor had so long he could choose where to put

:12:20. > :12:23.A demonstration that Wales' attacking threat

:12:24. > :12:25.extends beyond Gareth Bale, but he remains front and centre.

:12:26. > :12:28.A man who scored in a Champions League final,

:12:29. > :12:30.he looks like he enjoyed nothing more than this.

:12:31. > :12:32.As a nation, geographically, we are small.

:12:33. > :12:35.But, I think, if you are judging us on passion, I think

:12:36. > :12:38.you could describe us as a continent tonight, because that was amazing.

:12:39. > :12:40.There is more than one way to qualify.

:12:41. > :12:44.They made six changes in the game against Slovakia,

:12:45. > :12:47.and if Jamie Vardy had done what Jamie Vardy generally does,

:12:48. > :12:52.As it was, the angst grew and gripped them.

:12:53. > :12:56.Despite near total dominance, Slovakia stayed stout in defence,

:12:57. > :13:00.even when Dele Ali got through to the very last line.

:13:01. > :13:02.For the manager, only the goal was missing.

:13:03. > :13:06.I thought that we fully deserved to win the game.

:13:07. > :13:11.I am very surprised in a tournament of this nature, we can play three

:13:12. > :13:14.games, and in each of the three games, we have been

:13:15. > :13:20.The question is, how far, and how fast, they are

:13:21. > :13:30.There were some sensational scenes in the Cardiff fan zone yesterday.

:13:31. > :13:36.Have a look at the reaction when those goals went

:13:37. > :13:41.And wait till you see what happened at full time.

:13:42. > :13:43.It was such a great performance from Wales.

:13:44. > :13:46.Fearless, brave, heroic are just a few of the adjectives

:13:47. > :14:00.Of course it is Wales' first ever European Championship.

:14:01. > :14:07.Really proud. So proud for the country. And Gary speed's family...

:14:08. > :14:15.It's been a fantastic, absolutely fantastic. Incredible dated top

:14:16. > :14:18.never thought we would win 3-0. Just to get to the competition was enough

:14:19. > :14:23.for us but to get through is amazing. The passion for Wales, we

:14:24. > :14:31.are all behind the team. It is amazing

:14:32. > :14:34.They play Germany here in Paris later.

:14:35. > :14:37.We'll be hearing from our correspondent at the Parc des

:14:38. > :14:47.Tomorrow the Republic of Ireland play Italy and their fans have been

:14:48. > :15:01.winning admirers all over France and perhaps this is why...

:15:02. > :15:12.# Twinkle, twinkle, Little Star... # That is brilliant!

:15:13. > :15:13.Everyone with a baby and you get your baby to sleep, just gather a

:15:14. > :15:22.few Northern Ireland fans. Raez Good morning.

:15:23. > :15:24.It is 9.15am. Welcome to our programme.

:15:25. > :15:29.Caring, eloquent, principled and wise".

:15:30. > :15:31."Above all she was filled with and fuelled by

:15:32. > :15:38."A voice of compassion, whose boundless energy lit up

:15:39. > :15:41.the lives of all who knew her and saved the lives of many

:15:42. > :15:45.Just some of the heartfelt tributes to the murdered MP Jo Cox

:15:46. > :15:51.Throughout the programme this morning, we're going to bring

:15:52. > :15:59.As MPs spoke, her parents, husband and two young children,

:16:00. > :16:01.just five and three, watched in the public gallery.

:16:02. > :16:03.At times you'll see politicians looking up

:16:04. > :16:10.In moments of silence, her children could be heard playing.

:16:11. > :16:13.The House of Commons was packed with MPs from all parties,

:16:14. > :16:17.many fighting back tears, all wearing a white rose.

:16:18. > :16:20.A single white and single red rose were also placed in the seat

:16:21. > :16:24.where Jo Cox should have been sitting on the Labour benches.

:16:25. > :16:29.This morning we'll play you some of the most moving and poignant

:16:30. > :16:32.speeches and we'll start with that of her close friend and Labour

:16:33. > :16:45.I stand today to honour a friend and colleague.

:16:46. > :16:48.Along with shock, anger and grief, I have very many

:16:49. > :16:54.Jo and I knew each other for around ten years.

:16:55. > :16:57.I knew her husband, Brendan, for longer than that.

:16:58. > :17:02.We first met at a Labour students' conference about 18 years ago,

:17:03. > :17:05.and it was through Brendan that I first met Jo.

:17:06. > :17:09.I remember them coming round for dinner at the house

:17:10. > :17:12.of my husband and I in London, and us visiting them on their boat,

:17:13. > :17:17.first in Ladbroke Grove and then later in Wapping.

:17:18. > :17:20.I remember worrying that I had drunk too much wine early in the evening

:17:21. > :17:22.until I realised it was the boat that was

:17:23. > :17:29.I remember talking with Jo about her future shortly

:17:30. > :17:35.She was thinking about standing for Parliament, and spent a day

:17:36. > :17:37.shadowing me in my Leeds West constituency, talking to

:17:38. > :17:40.constituents about their problems, campaigning with party members

:17:41. > :17:48.By the end of the day, a lot of people weren't sure

:17:49. > :17:50.who the MP was and who was doing the shadowing!

:17:51. > :17:53.Jo had away with people, a way of relating to people

:17:54. > :17:56.from all walks of life, and she had a real way

:17:57. > :17:59.Her main hesitation about a parliamentary career

:18:00. > :18:03.She worried, as many of us do, about whether you can be a great MP

:18:04. > :18:10.But when the opportunity came up to represent her home

:18:11. > :18:14.seat of Batley and Spen, Jo felt a special responsibility

:18:15. > :18:18.to step up and do what she could for the place where she was born,

:18:19. > :18:22.grow up and went to school, the place that Jo called home.

:18:23. > :18:25.Jo wanted to make the world fairer, more equal, more tolerant

:18:26. > :18:32.We all have better instincts and deepest fears.

:18:33. > :18:35.Jo appealed to our better instincts, our sense that, as she said

:18:36. > :18:38.in her maiden speech, what we have in common is greater

:18:39. > :18:45.On Friday morning, less than 24 hours after Jo was killed,

:18:46. > :18:48.I sat in a coffee shop in Batley just a few minutes away

:18:49. > :18:56.A woman came over to me and said she hadn't known Jo,

:18:57. > :18:58.but that her death had made her want to be a bit

:18:59. > :19:06.A better person, a better mother, a better daughter, a better wife.

:19:07. > :19:09.It is ironic that, after travelling the world to some of the most

:19:10. > :19:11.damaged, war-ravaged places in the world,

:19:12. > :19:17.But she died doing the job she loved in the place that she loved,

:19:18. > :19:20.representing the people that she loved.

:19:21. > :19:24.Her mum and dad said to me that Jo wouldn't have changed a thing.

:19:25. > :19:29.She lived the life that she wanted to live, and yet in her mum's words,

:19:30. > :19:31.she had so much more that she could have done.

:19:32. > :19:39.So it now falls on all of our shoulders, the woman I met

:19:40. > :19:42.in the coffee shop in Batley, Jo's friends, MPs, all of us,

:19:43. > :19:48.To combat and guard against hatred, intolerance and injustice.

:19:49. > :19:52.To serve others with dignity and with love.

:19:53. > :19:56.And that is the best way that we can remember Jo and all she stood for.

:19:57. > :20:00.Batley and Spen will go on to elect a new MP,

:20:01. > :20:12.And later in the programme, we'll play the full tributes

:20:13. > :20:14.from Labour MP Stephen Kinnock, Conservative MP Andrew

:20:15. > :20:20.And by the way, a charity fundraising appeal set up

:20:21. > :20:26.in Jo Cox's memory has now raised more than ?1 million.

:20:27. > :20:32.This Thursday, weeks of campaigning will come to an end as you decide

:20:33. > :20:34.if Britain stays in or leaves the European Union.

:20:35. > :20:36.For some, the decision is straight forward,

:20:37. > :20:39.but what about those of you who are still undecided?

:20:40. > :20:42.You've got two days to make up your mind - that's assuming

:20:43. > :20:48.We've brought together one MP who wants you to vote to stay in,

:20:49. > :20:50.and one who wants you to vote to leave, along with four

:20:51. > :20:55.The MPs are going to make pitches to each of them,

:20:56. > :21:00.and then our four voters will ask them questions.

:21:01. > :21:02.For the Remain Campaign, we have the Labour MP

:21:03. > :21:07.for Streatham Chuka Umunna and supporting the Leave Campaign

:21:08. > :21:11.is the Conservative MP for Stratford on Avon, Nadhim Zahawi.

:21:12. > :21:17.In the studio Rogers Gambiza, and Efosa Omorog-bay.

:21:18. > :21:20.In Newcastle is Nan Pancoast, and in Dundee is Ellena Leslie.

:21:21. > :21:31.Welcome all of you. OK. Who wants to go first? I don't mind. Off you go.

:21:32. > :21:34.Thank you. I have got a three-and-a-half-year-old and two

:21:35. > :21:40.19-year-olds, the same wife, I know what you are thinking. I want to

:21:41. > :21:46.grow up in a country that is open, dynamic, outward looking, non

:21:47. > :21:50.discrim nattry, a country that looks after its people, those on national

:21:51. > :21:54.Living Wage, makes sure that they actually have the best chance of

:21:55. > :21:58.doing well and increasing their wages as well as investing in

:21:59. > :22:04.hospitals and schools. I think we can do that best by coming out of

:22:05. > :22:09.the EU because we will trade with Europe before entering Parliament I

:22:10. > :22:12.ran a business which bought companies across Europe. It was a

:22:13. > :22:16.service business. 80% of our economy is service based. There has never

:22:17. > :22:21.been a single market in Europe in service, yet we have done really,

:22:22. > :22:27.really well. My issue is that the EU political project is one that is

:22:28. > :22:30.destroying jobs and livelihoods, look at Greece and Spain, one in

:22:31. > :22:34.every two young people is out of work. Each one of those statistics

:22:35. > :22:40.is a tragedy. They're blighted by the EU and this sort of madness of

:22:41. > :22:44.want to go create a single country, a single flag, a single budget and a

:22:45. > :22:51.single currency. Many of the people who are telling you to vote remain

:22:52. > :22:54.were saying we must go into the single currency otherwise our

:22:55. > :23:00.economy would collapse. I'm saying let's come out. Let's trade with

:23:01. > :23:05.Europe. We're going to do great trading with Europe. We buy more

:23:06. > :23:08.Mercedes and washing machines than we sell them. We buy more from them

:23:09. > :23:15.in goods. They will want us to trade. They won't want to cut us

:23:16. > :23:20.off. One in every five German cars come to the UK. We can protect those

:23:21. > :23:28.on national Living Wage. 77,000 people came in without a job. That's

:23:29. > :23:30.discriminating against people from Africa, India, Pakistan, Australia,

:23:31. > :23:34.South Africa, they can't come in because we can't control the people

:23:35. > :23:38.coming in from Europe. If we take back control of our borders we can

:23:39. > :23:41.have a much more positive immigration policy for the United

:23:42. > :23:49.Kingdom. OK. So that's the Leave pitch. I'm going to hear from Chuka

:23:50. > :23:52.Umunna in a moment. Eleanor a reaction to what he said? As you're

:23:53. > :23:55.saying about the economy, it is always changing so I don't

:23:56. > :23:59.understand how anyone can take what you say as factual other than like

:24:00. > :24:04.guesswork and wishful thinking, but that goes to say on both sides. A

:24:05. > :24:08.lot of it is guesswork because you can't forecast what's going to

:24:09. > :24:14.happen in the economy in the future. A reaction before you get to ask

:24:15. > :24:19.your questions. My main thing is the immigration part. I can understand

:24:20. > :24:23.blocking people who want to come here to work against those who are

:24:24. > :24:26.put here and cannot work, but that's the main issue here. How do we

:24:27. > :24:31.control those borders? We will answer that in a second. For the

:24:32. > :24:39.Remain campaign, Labour MP, Chuka Umunna. Well, look, think about all

:24:40. > :24:43.the things that you usually hear politicians droning on about on

:24:44. > :24:46.programmes like this whether it was the Government trebling tuition fees

:24:47. > :24:50.over the last four to five years. Iain Duncan Smith imposing a bedroom

:24:51. > :24:54.tax on people, the big arguments we have around the NHS, all of these

:24:55. > :24:57.things, primarily and whatever you think about them, they are domestic

:24:58. > :25:00.concerns. They are things that the Conservative Government has been

:25:01. > :25:06.running. The EU has had nothing to do with that and in the last four to

:25:07. > :25:09.five years, there are 121 Acts of Parliament and just four of those

:25:10. > :25:14.were to exclusively implement European legislation. But where we

:25:15. > :25:18.work together, we do so because we can achieve more together with our

:25:19. > :25:21.countries than we can on our own. We amplify our influence and we deal

:25:22. > :25:23.with the issues which are cross-border. Take the environment,

:25:24. > :25:28.for example, we know that pollution knows no borders. Or the migration

:25:29. > :25:31.crisis triggered by what has been happening in the Middle East, that

:25:32. > :25:36.is affecting all of Europe. It is not something that will only affect

:25:37. > :25:39.the UK. But above all, the reason that we see huge benefit from being

:25:40. > :25:45.part of the European Union is because of our access to the single

:25:46. > :25:48.market. And that gives us access to half a billion customers for British

:25:49. > :25:52.businesses and that has seen three to four million jobs being linked to

:25:53. > :25:55.that, but also the stuff you buy in the shops, 28% of the produce you

:25:56. > :25:59.buy on high street shelves you get your daily paper, whatever it might

:26:00. > :26:03.be, cheese, wine, chocolate, healthier things too, we don't have

:26:04. > :26:07.to pay a tariff on those things when they come from the European Union

:26:08. > :26:10.those 28% of products. If we weren't part of the single market there

:26:11. > :26:13.would be a tariff. I'm not arguing that we can't trade with these

:26:14. > :26:18.people if we leave, but the question is on what terms? And there is a

:26:19. > :26:23.huge inequality of bargaining power. 44% of our exports go to them. If

:26:24. > :26:29.you look at the other members of the European Union, 5% of their exports

:26:30. > :26:34.come to us. There are bigger and important customer to us than we are

:26:35. > :26:37.to them. I don't deny Roger that immigration is an issue and it poses

:26:38. > :26:41.a challenge to society, but the idea that that will fall away if we leave

:26:42. > :26:45.the European Union is nonsense. More people come here from outside the

:26:46. > :26:52.European Union than from inside the European Union. And there are things

:26:53. > :26:56.we can do to mitigate matters like in the labour market enforcing

:26:57. > :27:00.minimum wage, but it is about having a big ambitious vision of what

:27:01. > :27:05.Britain can do. Traditionally we punch our weight on the world stage.

:27:06. > :27:09.We don't get kicked around by our European partners. We use it as a

:27:10. > :27:14.way of ampifying our influence, you've grown up in a globally

:27:15. > :27:18.connected world and for me it is about how do you succeed f you want

:27:19. > :27:21.to go into business, it is by networking and the State needs to do

:27:22. > :27:24.the same. Network with others who have our views and have our

:27:25. > :27:30.challenges. All right, let's bring in all of you to ask your questions.

:27:31. > :27:35.How does that affect immigrants who have started businesses in the past

:27:36. > :27:40.five years and who vote out of the EU? Well, here in the UK, there are

:27:41. > :27:46.EU citizens running businesses. They employ 1.5 million people here in

:27:47. > :27:51.the UK. So that's a good thing for us and for our, all of those

:27:52. > :27:57.businesses, can sell into the single market and of course, there are lots

:27:58. > :28:00.of jobs connected to that. There is only 6% of our businesses that

:28:01. > :28:04.actually export, you know, most of them in your local area don't do

:28:05. > :28:08.that. But of course, businesses are not an island and if you look at a

:28:09. > :28:11.lot of the bigger businesses which have many small businesses supplying

:28:12. > :28:14.them with products and their employees will spend their money in

:28:15. > :28:17.small businesses and for them exporting is a really important

:28:18. > :28:25.thing whether it is Hitachi who makes trains, our car makers, Tech

:28:26. > :28:29.UK, all the young new entrepreneur in Tech City, for them being able to

:28:30. > :28:33.trade is so important and that's why they are pretty much all of the

:28:34. > :28:36.business organisations representing small and bigger businesses want us

:28:37. > :28:39.to stay in the European Union because it gives you guys

:28:40. > :28:46.opportunities. You run your own business, don't you? What would you

:28:47. > :28:50.say to this man who runs his small firm and wants to know what impact,

:28:51. > :28:53.economic impact, there would be on the firm if Britain votes to leave

:28:54. > :28:56.on Thursday? I think you will benefit. I think the economy will

:28:57. > :29:01.become more dynamic. The question was asked earlier about, you know,

:29:02. > :29:05.the world is an uncertain place. The economy, the world changes, China

:29:06. > :29:10.could slow down, stuff could happen in America and elsewhere, you are

:29:11. > :29:14.better off having a Government that can act quickly rather than 28

:29:15. > :29:17.countries that can't agree. You seen with the refugee crisis, they

:29:18. > :29:22.couldn't agree. It was a mess. It was a controversy. They have been

:29:23. > :29:25.trying to sign a trade deal with South American countries since 1999.

:29:26. > :29:28.We are in 2016, they haven't decidedment you know why? France

:29:29. > :29:32.says no, I don't want the deal because of my farmers,

:29:33. > :29:36.protectionist. Spain says that's wrong, don't do that. That's wrong,

:29:37. > :29:40.but nothing happens. Chuka Umunna talked about food for example. The

:29:41. > :29:44.EU places tariffs of 30% on food from Africa. It hurts developing

:29:45. > :29:49.countries. If we were outside that, we can buy from those countries and

:29:50. > :29:54.support them even more. So my view, my message to you is you're running

:29:55. > :29:58.a bishtion only 60% Goldman Sachs, the JP Morgans want us to stay in

:29:59. > :30:02.the EU because they have departments who can wade through the red tape

:30:03. > :30:07.and make sure smaller competitors don't take over their business. For

:30:08. > :30:12.small business and mat jort of small business actually support the Vote

:30:13. > :30:17.Leave campaign. The big corporate businesses support the Stay camp.

:30:18. > :30:20.The Federation of Small Business members are evenly balanced. 47%

:30:21. > :30:25.wanted to stay in. 41% wanted to leave. What does your business do by

:30:26. > :30:27.the way? Can I ask you both to answer more briefly otherwise we

:30:28. > :30:31.will never get through the questions. What does your business

:30:32. > :30:38.do? We are a music production company. We do films and movies. Let

:30:39. > :30:40.me get a question from them. I'm going to ask you to be more brief in

:30:41. > :30:49.your replies. Go ahead. I was just wondering, as just an

:30:50. > :30:56.average Joe, what difference would staying or leaving actually do for

:30:57. > :31:03.me or someone down the road? Don't be a barrister asked that. --

:31:04. > :31:09.embarrassed to ask. We would be a more dynamic economy. What does that

:31:10. > :31:13.mean in practical terms? There was a report from a German bank saying

:31:14. > :31:15.that if we came out, British complete with outperform European

:31:16. > :31:20.companies so there would be more jobs being crated here. Europe has

:31:21. > :31:26.stagnated. Its growth is the slowest in the world other than Antarctica,

:31:27. > :31:30.so Europe has been job destroying. People in Spain, young people like

:31:31. > :31:33.yourself are out of work. If we are outside, we can trade with Europe.

:31:34. > :31:41.There is a free trade area already which closed eyes and Istanbul,

:31:42. > :31:46.which we will remain part of. -- which goes from Iceland to Istanbul.

:31:47. > :31:52.We would become outward looking and truly dynamic and positive. I don't

:31:53. > :31:57.know if you are out of work, Nine. What do you do? Yes, I am currently

:31:58. > :32:05.out of work, unfortunately. What would you say to Nan? The first

:32:06. > :32:11.thing people will feel the impact of is increased price of this --

:32:12. > :32:15.prices. Vote leaves say we will trade but we will not be part of the

:32:16. > :32:20.single market so things you buy in the shop which have been imported,

:32:21. > :32:27.you will pay more for if they have been imported from the EU. There are

:32:28. > :32:29.also pretty much every single major economic independent forecaster, the

:32:30. > :32:33.biggest profile one is maybe the governor of the Bank of England, has

:32:34. > :32:37.said that there will be a shock to the economy and usually when there

:32:38. > :32:42.is a short-term shock at the very least youth unemployment gets hit

:32:43. > :32:47.first. The governor has taught about other things, paying off a housing,

:32:48. > :32:50.borrowing rates going up, but I think you said practically, what

:32:51. > :32:56.will you feel, and I think it is that. What is your question? It is

:32:57. > :33:00.surrounding immigration and this is directed at both of you. What plan

:33:01. > :33:05.would you put in place to stem the flow of immigration to control the

:33:06. > :33:08.issue around immigration, but to also provide the opportunity for

:33:09. > :33:12.those coming into work and coming into better their lives? What plan

:33:13. > :33:18.would you put in place? Briefly, in a nutshell. The leader of the Remain

:33:19. > :33:25.campaign, Stuart Rose, who was head of M, said wages would go up our

:33:26. > :33:29.national living which would go up. The question was about controlling

:33:30. > :33:35.immigration. If we come out, we decide who comes in. Australia has a

:33:36. > :33:40.point system and they decide what is right for their economy, how many

:33:41. > :33:43.jobs we need, what sort of skills we need. If we stay in, there are

:33:44. > :33:47.countries in Europe where the minimum wage is ?2 an hour. They are

:33:48. > :33:52.coming in and actually hurting those on the lowest wages in our country.

:33:53. > :33:56.So if you are looking for work and your on national living wage, your

:33:57. > :33:59.job is at risk if we stay in Europe. If we come out, we control our

:34:00. > :34:04.borders with a points -based system, that way we decide and we don't

:34:05. > :34:07.like, we can change our government and have a different government set

:34:08. > :34:12.it. That's my proposition. It is quite amusing to me because usually

:34:13. > :34:16.when I am arguing with Nadhim Zahawi, he is telling you how great

:34:17. > :34:21.the economy is the national minimum is enforced as a higher level, but

:34:22. > :34:24.in terms of your question let's not forget there are 2 million Brits who

:34:25. > :34:28.benefit from free movement so they are living and working in the

:34:29. > :34:34.European Union as well. There is this idea that somehow because we

:34:35. > :34:37.are part of free movement that comes with the EU, for none EU countries

:34:38. > :34:40.it means that people who frankly looked like me and you are unfairly

:34:41. > :34:46.discriminated against. That's rubbish. The rules that we have

:34:47. > :34:51.applied to none EU countries have nothing to do with the EU. That is a

:34:52. > :34:55.figment of Conservative government policy. Questions about controlling

:34:56. > :34:58.immigration. We do control it in the sense that you have to show your

:34:59. > :35:02.passport when you come in and out and our judgment is that on

:35:03. > :35:05.balance... You can't have free movement of goods and services,

:35:06. > :35:09.which brings so much to our economy, without having the free movement of

:35:10. > :35:13.people and the judgment that we make is, on balance, there is a huge

:35:14. > :35:17.benefit we get from that movement and does not outweigh some of the

:35:18. > :35:20.challenges, and the judgment is, the benefits to outweigh the challenges

:35:21. > :35:23.and there are things you can do about the challenges. Enforce the

:35:24. > :35:27.national minimum wage, make sure that if people are taking out of our

:35:28. > :35:31.security system, they are paying in, which they have to do for four

:35:32. > :35:34.years. And we need to talk about not just the numbers coming in but how

:35:35. > :35:39.do we integrate people when they are here? How do we support them to

:35:40. > :35:45.learn English? I'm going to get Alan's question. Go for it. I'm a

:35:46. > :35:48.university student. I was reading on the camera crew independent this

:35:49. > :35:51.morning that a lot of the major higher education institutes are

:35:52. > :36:02.worried and concerned about a lever vote. It was quoted at around ?7

:36:03. > :36:06.billion comes from people in the EU. That is quite worrying as student,

:36:07. > :36:11.losing that income, so what is your opinion on that and how will it

:36:12. > :36:14.affect students? I used to be on the Business Select Committee in the

:36:15. > :36:19.last Parliament. I was passionate about international students because

:36:20. > :36:23.it is a great export for us. We make about ?8 billion and that is going

:36:24. > :36:26.to rise to about 16 or 17 billion and nobody in the UK dislikes

:36:27. > :36:31.international students coming to study at our best universities. I

:36:32. > :36:33.think if we come out, we can take more international students, not

:36:34. > :36:39.less, because we can control our immigration system. At the moment we

:36:40. > :36:44.have 188,000 people who come into the UK and we can't do a thing about

:36:45. > :36:48.it whatsoever because of free movement. I'm saying let's come out,

:36:49. > :36:51.let's have a system that we control and then we can decide if we want

:36:52. > :36:57.more international students enter our world beating universities.

:36:58. > :37:00.That's the best way to be. Eleanor, we do have a system which we

:37:01. > :37:03.control, which the government has set for immigration policy to have

:37:04. > :37:09.people coming in the tens of thousands. And within that cap,

:37:10. > :37:12.students, overseas students, who come here not only to study but

:37:13. > :37:16.spend money, they come within that cap but that is what the

:37:17. > :37:20.Conservative government has said it should do. I think is wrong. I think

:37:21. > :37:23.overseas students should be taken out of that but the EU has got

:37:24. > :37:29.nothing to do with that particular issue. In terms of universities, I

:37:30. > :37:33.declare an interest- I studied under the EU schemes, the Rasmus exchange

:37:34. > :37:35.programme, as a student and got a huge benefit and the knowledge of

:37:36. > :37:43.another culture, understanding how the -- another country works. What

:37:44. > :37:49.would happen if we lose access to that framework, nobody knows. People

:37:50. > :37:53.watching this programme say, all the universities want us to stay in

:37:54. > :37:57.Europe, of course they are going to say that because of that 3 billion

:37:58. > :37:59.figure, but as is about more than that. It is about coming together

:38:00. > :38:05.and collaborating with other minds and brains, which enables us to come

:38:06. > :38:10.up with new ideas to produce new products for these big emerging

:38:11. > :38:14.economies that they want to buy and that is why it is so important. I am

:38:15. > :38:18.not naive enough to think that a five-minute speech our guests,

:38:19. > :38:21.wonderful as they were, and the way they have answered your questions,

:38:22. > :38:25.will necessarily help you make up your mind right now but has it

:38:26. > :38:31.helped you? It has made it a lot clearer on which side I lean towards

:38:32. > :38:35.more. What are you leaning towards? Right now staying in the EU but I

:38:36. > :38:38.can see the points for out as well, especially being a business owner.

:38:39. > :38:43.The points for leaving and for staying have been highlighted a bit

:38:44. > :38:51.more but I am more to remain within the EU. Eleanor? I'm still

:38:52. > :38:56.completely on the fence. I see the good points of each side but I also

:38:57. > :38:59.see the negatives of each side. So come Thursday, do you think you will

:39:00. > :39:04.have made that judgment call by then? I hope so. I'm definitely

:39:05. > :39:08.going to vote so I'll probably be in the polling station and it will be

:39:09. > :39:11.like, which one do I vote for? I'm really informed so I do know what

:39:12. > :39:16.will happen, I think, with each vote, so it is just coming down to

:39:17. > :39:22.it and weighing of all the options. Nan, what are you leaning towards?

:39:23. > :39:26.Just from hearing today's arguments, there is a lot of negativity with

:39:27. > :39:34.leaving, with the whole control, control, control, and it just seems

:39:35. > :39:38.a bit daunting to side with someone or the campaign that is just so

:39:39. > :39:43.negative. I don't know if that makes sense. Can I ask you briefly about

:39:44. > :39:46.David Beckham? I don't know if you've heard the news today that he

:39:47. > :39:49.has come out for the Remain campaign. Does it make any

:39:50. > :39:54.difference to you when very famous... You are saying it does? I

:39:55. > :39:58.have loads of friends that play football and the prospect of playing

:39:59. > :40:01.internationally is something they aspire to and there are rules in

:40:02. > :40:03.place now for them to be able to play internationally right now and

:40:04. > :40:09.it is something that they would like to remain. We don't know what that

:40:10. > :40:12.would be like if we leave. What difference does it make to your

:40:13. > :40:16.campaign when you hear that David Beckham is on your side? For me, I

:40:17. > :40:21.think it's a brilliant thing but for me, it's far more important but

:40:22. > :40:26.we've got four expert opinions here and three out of four of these guys

:40:27. > :40:31.want to stay in at the moment and Eleanor, keep the faith. I think we

:40:32. > :40:34.can bring you our way. Nadhim Zahawi, how do you react to David

:40:35. > :40:38.Beckham being on the opposing camp to you? I have great respect him and

:40:39. > :40:43.anyone else who takes a view either way. Sol Campbell has out for Vote

:40:44. > :40:49.Leave, John Barnes has come out already. Belittles our great

:40:50. > :40:56.inventors - James Dyson, the great manufacturer and exporter. -- but

:40:57. > :40:58.look at our great inventors. JCB, 6000 employees making the best

:40:59. > :41:02.diggers of the world, they have both come out saying we are better off

:41:03. > :41:05.leaving, we will be more dynamic and will sell more to the world and be a

:41:06. > :41:10.stronger economy and more investment in our skill set. I did the

:41:11. > :41:13.apprenticeship job for my Prime Minister and I think it would be

:41:14. > :41:18.much better if we come out and it would allow people to invest more in

:41:19. > :41:22.the skills in the UK and sell to the world. Thank you very much. Only 48

:41:23. > :41:25.more hours to go. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:41:26. > :41:27.Still to come: China's controversial dog eating festival begins.

:41:28. > :41:29.Thousands of animals are expected to be killed.

:41:30. > :41:30.We investigate why, despite widespread opposition,

:41:31. > :41:42.We'll talk to those campaigning against it.

:41:43. > :41:46.And the little understood trade deal between the EU and the US which is

:41:47. > :41:51.being negotiated right now, which some say could endanger the NHS. We

:41:52. > :41:56.will tell you all you need to know about it.

:41:57. > :41:59.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:42:00. > :42:01.With just two days of campaigning left before the EU referendum,

:42:02. > :42:03.there's been a high-profile celebrity endorsement this morning.

:42:04. > :42:05.The former England captain David Beckham says he'll be

:42:06. > :42:09.He says after playing in Madrid, Paris and Milan,

:42:10. > :42:11.Europe gave his family the opportunity to enjoy "unique

:42:12. > :42:17.Beckham's former England teammate Sol Campbell has regularly been

:42:18. > :42:24.Meanwhile, David Cameron was warned by his own officials four years ago

:42:25. > :42:28.that his immigration target was impossible while inside the EU -

:42:29. > :42:32.that's according to the PM's former director of strategy.

:42:33. > :42:35.Steve Hilton - who's backing the Vote Leave campaign

:42:36. > :42:38.in the EU referendum - claims Mr Cameron was warned

:42:39. > :42:42."explicitly and directly" that EU free movement rules meant net

:42:43. > :42:45.migration could not be reduced below the target

:42:46. > :42:52.Downing Street says it doesn't recognise the story.

:42:53. > :42:55.Measures to tighten gun controls following the attack at a gay

:42:56. > :42:57.nightclub in Florida in which 49 people were killed have been

:42:58. > :43:00.Four proposals were brought before the Senate.

:43:01. > :43:03.But it rejected plans to tighten gun controls, including the restriction

:43:04. > :43:05.of weapons sales to people on terrorism watch lists.

:43:06. > :43:07.Senators disagreed about how to prevent more attacks

:43:08. > :43:14.A British man accused of trying to assassinate Donald Trump has

:43:15. > :43:19.Michael Sandford didn't enter a plea to a charge

:43:20. > :43:23.Investigators say he told them he drove to a rally held

:43:24. > :43:27.by the Republican presidential candidate on Saturday

:43:28. > :43:37.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:43:38. > :43:44.And the sport now. Here is Sally live in Paris.

:43:45. > :43:47.A stunning 3-0 win for Wales over Russia sees them through to the last

:43:48. > :43:50.16 of the European Championship - and they've done so as

:43:51. > :43:54.It's only the second time Wales have qualified for the latter stages of

:43:55. > :43:58.England are also through but it was a disappointing goalless

:43:59. > :44:01.Roy Hodgson's side finished second in group B.

:44:02. > :44:03.Northen Ireland will be hoping to follow England and Wales

:44:04. > :44:06.into the last 16 but they face a tough task against world

:44:07. > :44:10.champions Germany here in Paris this afternoon.

:44:11. > :44:13.England's cricketers are in action today against Sri Lanka in the first

:44:14. > :44:15.one-day international of the five-match series.

:44:16. > :44:18.England's women will also play their first one-day

:44:19. > :44:28.international against Pakistan today after rain at Leicester yesterday.

:44:29. > :44:31.More sport coming up in the next half-hour. See you then.

:44:32. > :44:34.Thank you very much. It was perhaps the most poignant

:44:35. > :44:36.and moving moment the House of Commons has ever seen -

:44:37. > :44:39.MPs were recalled to Parliament yesterday to pay tribute

:44:40. > :44:42.to the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox. Throughout the programme this

:44:43. > :44:44.morning, we're playing you some Let me begin by saying

:44:45. > :44:58.again Jo's own words. "Who can blame desperate parents

:44:59. > :45:01.for wanting to escape the horror that their

:45:02. > :45:04.families are experiencing? "Children are being killed

:45:05. > :45:08.on their way to school. "One in three children have grown up

:45:09. > :45:12.knowing nothing but fear and war. "Those children have been exposed

:45:13. > :45:14.to things no child should ever witness, and I know that

:45:15. > :45:17.I would risk life and limb to get my two precious babies out

:45:18. > :45:22.of that hellhole." When Jo spoke, Mr Speaker, we

:45:23. > :45:24.all listened. Because the principle she drew

:45:25. > :45:33.on in that speech and in life is the simple idea that

:45:34. > :45:37.we have more in common Her words demonstrate that

:45:38. > :45:43.if we choose, we do not always have to see ourselves as different

:45:44. > :45:49.from those far away. We all listened because her words

:45:50. > :46:00.spoke to each and every one of us. Now, to know Jo, even a little bit,

:46:01. > :46:03.was to understand how proud she was in her family, and to hear

:46:04. > :46:07.her relish her role as a mum. Many of her friends have spoken

:46:08. > :46:09.of that joy, that warmth, She had a way of talking,

:46:10. > :46:17.not just about herself, her own ideas, but always

:46:18. > :46:19.what we could do together. Jo took on the toughest of problems,

:46:20. > :46:24.the most forgotten causes, and fought campaigns

:46:25. > :46:26.that we could all feel a part of, Whether Darfur or the DRC,

:46:27. > :46:34.Jo knew how easily our global responsibilities fade from view

:46:35. > :46:39.without conscious activism. As Jo herself wrote,

:46:40. > :46:41.this active internationalist It has been and is still contested

:46:42. > :46:50.across the political spectrum. So Jo wrote about a fight not just

:46:51. > :46:53.for one country, one people or one cause,

:46:54. > :46:57.but a worldview that bestowed on each of us rights, and on all

:46:58. > :47:05.of us the responsibility to protect. This is especially true in relation

:47:06. > :47:07.to her activism in pursuit Faced with the great joy and great

:47:08. > :47:13.risk of motherhood, women So when the world could not find

:47:14. > :47:20.the wherewithal to meet the Millennium Development Goal

:47:21. > :47:22.to cut maternal mortality, Jo took on this huge challenge

:47:23. > :47:26.and made global leaders sit up Now, Jo didn't just

:47:27. > :47:32.believe that women's She was a feminist whose activism

:47:33. > :47:39.saved women's lives and whose political skill got women elected

:47:40. > :47:44.to this House. Many in this place will have

:47:45. > :47:47.never seen the quiet, careful work of Jo and her

:47:48. > :47:51.colleagues at the Labour Women's Network to give women the knowledge

:47:52. > :47:57.and the networks to take She did it not by hectoring

:47:58. > :48:06.or lecturing, but by believing in the goodness of others,

:48:07. > :48:08.and as Jo's friend and mine, Kirsty McNeill, has written,

:48:09. > :48:10.half holding you upright, That was what it meant to have Jo's

:48:11. > :48:14.arm around your shoulder, and how we all long for those arms

:48:15. > :48:17.around our shoulder today. Mr Speaker, those words from Jo's

:48:18. > :48:29.maiden speech must therefore truly We are far more united and have far

:48:30. > :48:34.more in common with each other Jo's vision of our country,

:48:35. > :48:43.explained in that speech she made, is one we know

:48:44. > :48:48.in our hearts to be true. It's not where you come

:48:49. > :48:50.from that matters. It's the compassion and love

:48:51. > :48:57.in your heart. You might be proud

:48:58. > :48:59.of your home town, as Jo was, but you know

:49:00. > :49:01.that compassion doesn't And here's another

:49:02. > :49:04.thing that doesn't end. She gave love to us all,

:49:05. > :49:08.and that can never be lost. We may feel lost today,

:49:09. > :49:11.Mr Speaker, but inside us all, And we'll keep playing you some

:49:12. > :49:22.of those tributes throughout Thousands of dogs will be

:49:23. > :49:32.slaughtered at an annual dog-eating festival which has begun

:49:33. > :49:34.in South West China. That's despite a petition signed

:49:35. > :49:36.by 11 million people handed in to Beijing by celebrities

:49:37. > :49:38.and campaigners that calls Here's a short film about how

:49:39. > :49:41.the festival began Some of the images we're

:49:42. > :49:46.going to show over the next ten You may not want young children to

:49:47. > :49:56.see them. The lychee and dog meat festival,

:49:57. > :50:04.known as the Yulin festival, is an annual event where roughly

:50:05. > :50:07.10,000 to 15,000 dogs and cats It takes place this week

:50:08. > :50:10.in the city of Yulin. That's in a largely rural

:50:11. > :50:13.and poor region of China. The Chinese tradition of eating dog

:50:14. > :50:16.meat dates back around 500 years, and is believed to ward off

:50:17. > :50:21.the heat of summer. Around 10 to 20 million dogs

:50:22. > :50:24.are killed for their meat each year This festival began in 2010

:50:25. > :50:28.to celebrate the summer solstice. While slaughtering dogs is common

:50:29. > :50:31.in China, the festival is seen to represent the cruelty

:50:32. > :50:36.of the largely unregulated industry. Some of the animals

:50:37. > :50:39.killed are stolen pets, still wearing their collars

:50:40. > :50:41.as they die. Others are sent to the festival

:50:42. > :50:44.in small cages without food or water, having travelled

:50:45. > :50:48.hundreds of miles. The animals tend to be

:50:49. > :50:53.slaughtered whilst still alive. Some restaurant owners

:50:54. > :50:55.claim their adrenaline-rich We are here asking you to

:50:56. > :51:01.stop the cruelty. While there is no law in the UK

:51:02. > :51:09.saying you can't eat a cat or dog, People in Western countries see dogs

:51:10. > :51:14.as their pets. It's different in China,

:51:15. > :51:16.where they're not viewed However, it's not the only country

:51:17. > :51:22.where people eat these Jill Robinson, founder

:51:23. > :51:33.of Animals Asia Foundation. Rebecca Pow, Conservative MP

:51:34. > :51:38.and Chair of the Animal Welfare And Andrea Gung, founder

:51:39. > :51:43.of the Dou Dou Project that aims to change people's perceptions

:51:44. > :51:56.about dogs in Yulin. Andrea tell us how you're trying to

:51:57. > :52:02.do that? I have been to Yulin many times because I really want to end

:52:03. > :52:08.the dog meat trade. Not just the dog meat festival because what we have

:52:09. > :52:13.to understand in Yulin people eat dogs year round, not just on one

:52:14. > :52:16.day. On this day, the dog meat pestively they just eat more dogs.

:52:17. > :52:24.So after I have been there many times I talked to a lot of local

:52:25. > :52:28.people. I realised to totally end this practise, we just have to

:52:29. > :52:32.change people's mindset. No consumption, no killing. So that's

:52:33. > :52:38.what I decided we're going to reach out to the community throughout the

:52:39. > :52:48.events programme toe educate people to make them -- to educate people.

:52:49. > :52:55.To look at dogs as a cam pannian and educate them and teach them how

:52:56. > :52:58.valuable dogs are for human beings Peter, the dog eating industry, the

:52:59. > :53:02.culture in China goes back hundreds of years. I wonder how long do you

:53:03. > :53:10.predict it will take to stop the Yulin Festival, if ever? Well, Jill

:53:11. > :53:16.would be best to talk about this. I think it will happen. I think

:53:17. > :53:20.because there is a huge amount of public shock at what is happening,

:53:21. > :53:24.to do with the cruelty really. It is how the animal is dispatched and I'm

:53:25. > :53:31.not suggesting that we do things better here and I'm not criticising

:53:32. > :53:36.if you want to call it culture, but it is a disastrous process and very

:53:37. > :53:41.horrible and it must stop, but I think Jill will be better... Go

:53:42. > :53:48.ahead Jill. The issue in Yulin, it is actually part of a problem

:53:49. > :53:52.country wide. I think the community at large wants dog eat to go end.

:53:53. > :53:59.What they are recognising now these are dogs stolen from the streets and

:54:00. > :54:03.from people's loving homes. It is become ago social disharmony issue

:54:04. > :54:07.and it is becoming a public health issue because many of the dogs are

:54:08. > :54:12.poisoned so the diseased daushtion the to beingic meat is entering the

:54:13. > :54:16.food chain in China. More people are beginning to understand that

:54:17. > :54:20.prospective as well. From a politician's point of view what, are

:54:21. > :54:23.you doing about this, Rebecca? It is difficult for one Government or

:54:24. > :54:28.country to pronounce that they don't like what another country eats. So

:54:29. > :54:33.one has to tread carefully with this. We can't say, "We don't like

:54:34. > :54:38.you eating dog meat." They eat guinea pigs in South America. It is

:54:39. > :54:41.not something we would do in this country because dogs are pets. It is

:54:42. > :54:44.a cultural change. In our Government, debates have been held

:54:45. > :54:49.in Parliament on this. There was one back in November. Actually calling

:54:50. > :54:52.for a ban, but our minister, you know, promised he will write to

:54:53. > :54:56.governments, he would speak to them, we will do the softly softly

:54:57. > :55:06.approach, but there is leverage there and I think one of the big

:55:07. > :55:13.levers is encouraging change, but the health aspect because rabies is

:55:14. > :55:18.a big issue and the incidents of rabies in Yulin province is the

:55:19. > :55:27.highest in China and it is believed it is connected with eating dogs

:55:28. > :55:31.which have got rabies. One in ten dogs are not vaccinated for rabies

:55:32. > :55:34.and there is a risk of catching it from the slaughter houses and from

:55:35. > :55:39.the butchering and from eating it. There is no regime to control that.

:55:40. > :55:42.It contravenes the World Health Organization, you know, standards

:55:43. > :55:48.that would, I suggest, be a good way that we can start to influence aside

:55:49. > :55:50.from the ghastly things they do in slaughter houses, we need to

:55:51. > :55:54.encourage adoption of better methods and standards. How are some of the

:55:55. > :56:00.animals killed for this festival? Oh goodness. Well, they are beaten over

:56:01. > :56:03.the heads. They have knives put through their jugulars. They are

:56:04. > :56:07.sometimes put fully conscious into boiling water to strip the fur from

:56:08. > :56:11.their bodies. So the cruelty is rife across the country. But again, I

:56:12. > :56:17.think, you know, I think the point is so many local groups now in

:56:18. > :56:23.China, 150 local groups, I was at a conference last week in China, where

:56:24. > :56:27.local groups, where the Government officials, where the police were

:56:28. > :56:31.coming along just talking about the issues and how they can, how they

:56:32. > :56:36.can address the problem of dog ownership management in China. So

:56:37. > :56:40.for example, the police are lowering the registration for people to have

:56:41. > :56:44.dogs. They're lowering the prices of vaccinations and they are making it

:56:45. > :56:48.easier for people to have dogs in community and they are slowly,

:56:49. > :56:53.slowly being able to see that dogs have a benefit in society. We have

:56:54. > :56:56.adopt a dog programme which is animal therapy across four provinces

:56:57. > :57:01.in the country. Where you know people recognise the good that dogs

:57:02. > :57:05.bring into the community. So it is a shift as Rebecca was saying of

:57:06. > :57:08.public perception as well. Peter, in terms of you supporting this

:57:09. > :57:15.campaign, what is it that's motivating you? My care for animal

:57:16. > :57:21.welfare. I mean, I think it is worth pointing out that there is, as Jill

:57:22. > :57:27.has said, a growing concern for the lives of animals in China and I

:57:28. > :57:31.think we should, we have to resist taking a powerful position because

:57:32. > :57:35.of the media attention and the horrible images that you see on

:57:36. > :57:41.television and on the internet and you also see a whole variety of

:57:42. > :57:48.small groups that come up waving a very powerful banner which creates a

:57:49. > :57:54.very cultural problem dealing with this serious problem and I, which is

:57:55. > :57:59.why I support what the big charities do and Animals Asia which is to work

:58:00. > :58:04.from within and to spread the vital concept of animal welfare and care

:58:05. > :58:08.for our companions and dogs are central to that will point of view.

:58:09. > :58:11.They are our best friends and they deserve better as indeed all animals

:58:12. > :58:14.deserve better from humans on this planet.

:58:15. > :58:20.Andrea, a final thought from you in terms of you trying to change

:58:21. > :58:27.people's perceptions of dogs. How much success do you think you're

:58:28. > :58:31.having? Yes, I will just come back to your other question, is it

:58:32. > :58:36.helpful? Yes, I have to act. It is very, very helpful and how soon

:58:37. > :58:41.you're asking? Not very long because what happened in China is, you must

:58:42. > :58:47.know China has this one child policy in the last 30 years. Every family

:58:48. > :58:51.can only have one child. Now, this one child generation are in their

:58:52. > :58:55.30s now. Who do they grow up with? They have no siblings so they grow

:58:56. > :59:01.up with pets, cats, dogs, bunnies and turtles. They love their pets as

:59:02. > :59:07.much as we do. So they hate this dog meat trade as much as we do. Other

:59:08. > :59:11.young people they loss their pets to the dog meat trade and they become

:59:12. > :59:15.die hard activists to change it. Now they are in their 30s and they work

:59:16. > :59:21.for the Government and they work for the media and they are internet

:59:22. > :59:26.savvy and so they spread a message like wildfire. I'm hopeful in young

:59:27. > :59:30.generation will end this cruel trade in the near future. Thank you very

:59:31. > :59:34.much. I'm going to leave it there. Thank

:59:35. > :59:41.you for coming on the programme. It is time for the weather. Here is

:59:42. > :59:44.Carol. Well, today we have got quite a bit of cloud across our shores.

:59:45. > :59:48.You can see where it has broken and some of us are seeing lovely

:59:49. > :59:52.sunshine and feeling warm too in the sunshine today, but we have showers

:59:53. > :59:55.across Western Scotland and some in Northern Ireland. Here it is also

:59:56. > :59:59.breezy. Dlu the day, a bit more cloud will develop. We will still

:00:00. > :00:02.hang on to sunny spells, but you might just see the odd shower coming

:00:03. > :00:06.out for example in the south-west. And so quite a bit of drizzle across

:00:07. > :00:10.the Channel Islands. Top temperature 22 Celsius. Through this evening and

:00:11. > :00:16.overnight, well, once again, we're going to see some cloud build. We

:00:17. > :00:18.will start to see rain coming in across south-west England, fringing

:00:19. > :00:22.in through parts of Wales and getting up to the Midlands and down

:00:23. > :00:26.towards Hampshire. The showers persist across the north-west, but

:00:27. > :00:31.it won't be a particularly cold night. Tomorrow the rain continues

:00:32. > :00:35.to advance into Yorkshire and Lincolnshire and another band comes

:00:36. > :00:36.up behind it. Muggy in the South East and still showery across the

:00:37. > :00:41.north-west. Our top story today:

:00:42. > :00:53.With only two days to go until the EU referendum,

:00:54. > :00:55.it's making your mind up time. David Beckham has -

:00:56. > :00:57.he says he's backing Remain. David Cameron's under more

:00:58. > :00:59.fire over immigration. This morning, two politicians have

:01:00. > :01:01.been making a last-ditch pitch to you about why you should

:01:02. > :01:08.vote to leave or remain. We'll still trade but we'll trade

:01:09. > :01:12.with the rest of the world, we'll have a dynamic economy, more jobs,

:01:13. > :01:16.more investment in schools and hospitals and in skills in our

:01:17. > :01:21.country. Will become outward looking and truly dynamic and positive.

:01:22. > :01:25.Every single major independent economic forecaster, the biggest

:01:26. > :01:29.profile one as the Bank of England, have said that there will be a shock

:01:30. > :01:32.to the economy and usually when there is a short-term shock, at the

:01:33. > :01:38.very least, youth unemployment gets hit first. Also in the programme:

:01:39. > :01:45.England and Wales are through but in very different ways. Yes, an

:01:46. > :01:51.incredible performance from Wales here in France yesterday, beating

:01:52. > :01:56.Russia 3-0. England also through but they could only manage a goalless

:01:57. > :02:00.draw with Slovakia. And what is TTIP and should you be worried about it?

:02:01. > :02:05.A number of you got in touch with us to ask us to look into it, so we

:02:06. > :02:10.have. So it's basically a trade agreement between the US and the EU.

:02:11. > :02:13.It's not just a trade deal, it's an investment deal as well. It means

:02:14. > :02:19.corporations have a huge amount of say. So you two guys are in the same

:02:20. > :02:20.place? No, we are in total different places. I think it is a good thing,

:02:21. > :02:26.he doesn't. Here's Joanna with a summary

:02:27. > :02:30.of today's news. With just two days of campaigning

:02:31. > :02:33.left before the EU referendum, there's been a high profile

:02:34. > :02:35.celebrity endorsement this morning. The former England captain

:02:36. > :02:37.David Beckham says he'll be He says after playing

:02:38. > :02:42.in Madrid, Paris and Milan - Europe gave his family

:02:43. > :02:46.the opportunity to enjoy "unique Beckham's former England team mate

:02:47. > :02:51.Sol Campbell has regularly been Meanwhile, David Cameron was warned

:02:52. > :02:58.by his own officials four years ago that his immigration target

:02:59. > :03:02.was impossible while inside the EU - that's according to the PM's former

:03:03. > :03:06.director of strategy. Steve Hilton - who's backing

:03:07. > :03:09.the Vote Leave campaign in the EU referendum -

:03:10. > :03:12.claims Mr Cameron was warned "explicitly and directly" that EU

:03:13. > :03:16.free movement rules meant net immigration could not be cut

:03:17. > :03:20.below 100,000 a year. Downing Street says it doesn't

:03:21. > :03:25.recognise the story. Measures to tighten gun controls

:03:26. > :03:27.following the attack at a gay nightclub in Florida in which 49

:03:28. > :03:31.people were killed have been Four proposals were brought

:03:32. > :03:35.before the Senate. But it rejected plans

:03:36. > :03:37.to tighten gun controls, including the restriction of weapons

:03:38. > :03:39.sales to people on Senators disagreed about how

:03:40. > :03:42.to prevent more attacks Sir Cliff Richard has said

:03:43. > :03:54.the stress of being publicly named as a suspect of sexual crimes

:03:55. > :03:57.that he did not commit was so severe The singer has recently been told

:03:58. > :04:01.the allegations will not be pursued. He's told the Daily Mail he's been

:04:02. > :04:04.left physically and emotionally exhausted by a two-year ordeal that

:04:05. > :04:07.began when South Yorkshire Police raided his home after

:04:08. > :04:10.an apparent tip-off. That's a summary of

:04:11. > :04:21.the latest BBC News. Thanks to those of you who got in

:04:22. > :04:25.touch about the conversation a few minutes ago about the dog festival.

:04:26. > :04:29.Sam has e-mailed to say, thank you for speaking about this horror.

:04:30. > :04:35.Fiona tweets, it has to stop, pets rounded apple, boiled alive for

:04:36. > :04:38.food, it is hideous. And late in e-mail says it is terribly cruel and

:04:39. > :04:41.inhumane and many of those animals are stolen pet. Time for the sport

:04:42. > :04:51.now and here is Sally in Paris. Lots to talk about this morning. A

:04:52. > :04:56.fantastic win last night for Wales against Russia. A 3-0 victory for

:04:57. > :04:59.them. England are also through to the next round but they could only

:05:00. > :05:03.manage a goalless draw against Slovakia but I think there is a good

:05:04. > :05:06.game in England. This team have a better performance in them. Maybe

:05:07. > :05:08.we'll see it. But now it's time to look

:05:09. > :05:10.forward to - hopefully, fingers crossed - another

:05:11. > :05:12.home nation making it Northern Ireland won't

:05:13. > :05:15.have it easy, though. They're up against world champions

:05:16. > :05:17.Germany here in Paris later. And maybe they have a secret weapon

:05:18. > :05:20.at the Parc des Princes. Katie Gornall is there,

:05:21. > :05:26.looking ahead to their chances. Northern Ireland in a very good

:05:27. > :05:29.position here ahead of this game with Germany. They know that point

:05:30. > :05:33.against the world champions would definitely see them through to the

:05:34. > :05:37.last 16 and even the three points they already have maybe enough for

:05:38. > :05:40.them to progress if the results go their way. Will have to wait to see

:05:41. > :05:44.other permutations play out but there are sure to be a few nerves

:05:45. > :05:47.when the players walked out of this tunnel later, alongside the world

:05:48. > :05:52.champions. But if they are looking for a good omen, they may have found

:05:53. > :05:56.it here. Let me introduce you to Jonathan, the head groundsman, and

:05:57. > :05:59.also from Northern Ireland. How special is it for you to have

:06:00. > :06:05.Northern Ireland playing at this grand? It's like a dream come true

:06:06. > :06:09.for me. When I was riveted three years ago I knew the Euros would be

:06:10. > :06:11.here in France but never in my wildest dreams did I think that

:06:12. > :06:16.Northern Ireland would qualify for euros. But honestly we've qualified

:06:17. > :06:21.for the first time and when the draw took place for Northern Ireland to

:06:22. > :06:25.come out and play here, it was another level. It was like a dream

:06:26. > :06:28.come true for me and I would say it is the highlight of my career.

:06:29. > :06:32.You've had your work a doubt for you over the last few days. Yes, it's

:06:33. > :06:36.been a bit disappointing. We were looking forward to the tournament

:06:37. > :06:39.and last year we had record temperature is a 48 degrees of the

:06:40. > :06:43.stadium so we were worried about about the heat stress on the grass

:06:44. > :06:46.and it has completely turned full circle and the last six weeks it has

:06:47. > :06:51.just been nonstop rain here in Paris and it has made it very difficult

:06:52. > :06:54.for us. From here the pitch looks fantastic. With you be able to relax

:06:55. > :06:58.at any point when the game is going on and watch and support Northern

:06:59. > :07:01.Ireland? Unfortunately, I'm a football fanatic and I love football

:07:02. > :07:06.but when the players are playing on your pitch, it is a nervous time for

:07:07. > :07:12.me and the players. Once the final whistle goes, I can finally relax,

:07:13. > :07:15.which is a little bit hard, but as a football fan, obviously, I enjoy the

:07:16. > :07:19.occasion like the rest of the fans and hopefully get a win for Northern

:07:20. > :07:22.Ireland. Presumably your message to the players, known the slide

:07:23. > :07:32.celebrations. Maybe if Northern Ireland score, I'll let it go! -- no

:07:33. > :07:39.me slide celebrations. If they are able to get a result against their

:07:40. > :07:41.opponents, they might be able to make history.

:07:42. > :07:44.Tomorrow, the Republic of Ireland play Italy and their fans have been

:07:45. > :07:51.winning admirers all over France - and perhaps this is why...

:07:52. > :08:05.A group of them on a train, signing a lullabye to a baby.

:08:06. > :08:14.Do you like that bit at the end where they all go to Bob? I know

:08:15. > :08:17.we've talked a lot about the behaviour of fans here but I think

:08:18. > :08:19.it is important to note that they have all been fantastic. -- where

:08:20. > :08:31.they go two. More from Sally in Paris later. A

:08:32. > :08:40.memorial fund set up in honour of the murdered Labour MP Jo Cox has

:08:41. > :08:46.raised more than ?1 million in three days. The target is 1.5 million.

:08:47. > :08:48.They are definitely going to reach that target, aren't they? Absolutely

:08:49. > :08:53.remarkable. Yesterday MPs returned to the House

:08:54. > :08:56.of Commons to pay tribute to her. They all wore a white

:08:57. > :08:58.rose, the symbol of A white rose and a red rose

:08:59. > :09:02.were placed in her usual place Her husband Brendan

:09:03. > :09:05.and their two children, who are five and three,

:09:06. > :09:08.were in the public gallery, along with her parents Jean and Gordon,

:09:09. > :09:11.sister Kim and other family members. During the programme today we're

:09:12. > :09:14.playing you some of the most poignant speeches in full -

:09:15. > :09:17.and at times you'll see politicians looking up at the public gallery

:09:18. > :09:21.to watch her family's reaction. The Conservative MP and former

:09:22. > :09:25.International Development Minister Andrew Mitchell first met

:09:26. > :09:28.Jo Cox ten years ago, marching against injustice

:09:29. > :09:30.in Sudan and then staying with her in the region,

:09:31. > :09:34.where she was working for Oxfam. They went on to form a cross-party

:09:35. > :09:38.all-parliamentary group on Syria. Mr Speaker, today, we mourn

:09:39. > :09:51.the terrible loss of our friend and colleague Jo, so tragically

:09:52. > :09:54.murdered as she went about her constituency

:09:55. > :09:59.duties last Thursday. The life has been taken

:10:00. > :10:02.of a truly exceptional woman, whose goodness and passion,

:10:03. > :10:05.dedication to humanitarian values, I knew her as a friend,

:10:06. > :10:14.but how unbearable must it be for those who mourn her

:10:15. > :10:17.as a daughter, sister, husband, and above all,

:10:18. > :10:20.as their beloved mum, who they used to visit for tea each

:10:21. > :10:25.week in Portcullis House. I first met Jo ten years ago

:10:26. > :10:27.in London when we marched And on two visits to Al-Fashir

:10:28. > :10:34.in Darfur, where she helped develop a central humanitarian

:10:35. > :10:40.role for Oxfam. The Leader of the Opposition

:10:41. > :10:43.as he then was and I stayed there with her and other

:10:44. > :10:46.humanitarian workers, and witnessed her crucial role

:10:47. > :10:50.for Oxfam in supporting women and children, and securing water

:10:51. > :10:55.for thousands of refugees I wear it still to ensure

:10:56. > :11:05.that we remember the desperate people caught up in what

:11:06. > :11:07.President Bush rightly And it is amongst her many friends

:11:08. > :11:15.and colleagues in the international humanitarian and development family

:11:16. > :11:19.all around the world, of which she was such a respected

:11:20. > :11:24.and experienced member, that she will be mourned

:11:25. > :11:28.and remembered as a staunch friend of the most desperate and deprived

:11:29. > :11:31.in our world, and as a campaigner When she entered this House just 13

:11:32. > :11:39.short months ago, she rapidly used her deep knowledge

:11:40. > :11:44.to champion the dispossessed. She was Labour to her fingertips,

:11:45. > :11:50.but restlessly dismissive of party political manoeuvring,

:11:51. > :11:54.which she saw as a Making common cause with a crusty

:11:55. > :12:06.old Tory, she and I became co-chairs Her energy and effectiveness

:12:07. > :12:13.were an inspiration. We invited ourselves to tea

:12:14. > :12:15.with the Russian ambassador With clever charm but steely

:12:16. > :12:22.determination, this five-foot bundle of old-fashioned Yorkshire common

:12:23. > :12:26.sense dressed him down for his country's cruelty

:12:27. > :12:31.and cynicism in Syria. I do not believe the Russian

:12:32. > :12:34.ambassador will easily Mr Speaker, I think there are many

:12:35. > :12:40.things Jo would want us I do not believe she would want this

:12:41. > :12:50.vile and unspeakable act to change the open and accessible relationship

:12:51. > :12:56.we enjoy with our constituents. All of us take the advice

:12:57. > :13:02.of our local police in protecting Thankfully, the record shows these

:13:03. > :13:09.attacks are as infrequent Secondly, Jo would want us in this

:13:10. > :13:17.House to redouble our efforts to resolve the greatest

:13:18. > :13:21.catastrophe of our age. The crisis in Syria,

:13:22. > :13:23.where the lives of more than 11 million people have been

:13:24. > :13:27.ruined while the international community has shown

:13:28. > :13:31.itself disorganised, But Mr Speaker, I mourn Jo today

:13:32. > :13:42.as a friend and as a colleague. But most of all, I mourn

:13:43. > :13:46.for her as a mother whose two gorgeous children will now have

:13:47. > :13:51.to chart the shoals and eddies of life without the love

:13:52. > :14:13.and support of their Andrew Mitchell, Conservative MP.

:14:14. > :14:15.David Beckham has come out in support of remaining in the European

:14:16. > :14:18.Union and our political Guru Norman Smith can tell us more to it what

:14:19. > :14:25.does he say in his statement? Just before we get to that, on the

:14:26. > :14:28.cusp of a referendum you might think David Cameron be talking about the

:14:29. > :14:31.economy but he is tweeting about David Beckham, so the PM says,

:14:32. > :14:37."David Beckham is clear, we should be facing the problems of the world

:14:38. > :14:40.together and not alone". This after David Beckham issued a statement

:14:41. > :14:43.saying he has played for clubs in lots of different parts of Europe

:14:44. > :14:47.and Milan and with lots of international stars and what that

:14:48. > :14:52.has taught him is that you are better working together with other

:14:53. > :14:56.people. His statement here... Let me read you the nub of it. He says, "We

:14:57. > :15:00.live in a vibrant and connected world where together as a people we

:15:01. > :15:05.are strong. For our children and their children, we should be facing

:15:06. > :15:08.the world together and not alone". Downing Street obviously utterly

:15:09. > :15:12.delighted because there are celebrities and, hey, there are

:15:13. > :15:16.celebrities and David Beckham is, hey, a celebrity. How much impact it

:15:17. > :15:20.will have in the real world? I don't know. Sometime celebrities can

:15:21. > :15:24.backfire. You may remember when Kenny Everett came out to back Mrs

:15:25. > :15:27.Thatcher and made a rather unfortunate speech about Michael

:15:28. > :15:31.foot, which was regarded as a disaster. Clint Eastwood was out

:15:32. > :15:35.backing Mitt Romney in the last US presidential election and he ended

:15:36. > :15:41.up rambling around stage talking to a chair, I kid you not. So these

:15:42. > :15:44.things can backfire. At a more mundane level, the ordinary

:15:45. > :15:49.referendum campaign goes on. The most striking thing today is Steve

:15:50. > :15:54.Hilton, Mr Cameron's former head of policy, formerly a close friend,

:15:55. > :15:57.laying into the PM again over immigration, saying that the PM was

:15:58. > :16:02.apparently warned in 2012 by his own officials that there was no chance,

:16:03. > :16:05.zilch chance, of being able to meet his pledge of getting net migration

:16:06. > :16:10.down to the tens of thousands as long as we remained in the EU. I can

:16:11. > :16:13.tell you in the past few minutes, just talking to one figure in

:16:14. > :16:16.government, they are saying they've been through all the papers and can

:16:17. > :16:21.find no record of such a meeting. Indeed they say that at the time, Mr

:16:22. > :16:27.Cameron was apparently being told that getting net migration down to

:16:28. > :16:30.the tens of thousands was perfectly achievable. So Morove and argy-bargy

:16:31. > :16:33.over immigration, which we are going to get in these last couple of days.

:16:34. > :16:37.Thanks, Norman. Next this morning,

:16:38. > :16:39.what is TTIP and why It's a subject that many of you have

:16:40. > :16:43.asked us to look into. It stands for the Transatlantic

:16:44. > :16:45.Trade and Investment Partnership. It sounds very dull,

:16:46. > :16:48.but many of you are worried that it could lead to privatisation

:16:49. > :16:50.of the NHS and an erosion of workers' rights, along

:16:51. > :16:52.with lower standards on food Our reporter Catrin Nye

:16:53. > :16:59.has been investigating and hopefully explains

:17:00. > :17:06.TTIP simply and clearly. It's very early in the morning

:17:07. > :17:11.and I'm on the Underground in London with an activist

:17:12. > :17:16.who is very anti-TTIP. We're going to do some

:17:17. > :17:21.work on the Tube. So, these signs that

:17:22. > :17:26.are going in the empty spaces on the Tubes are basically meant

:17:27. > :17:29.to imitate the Tube signs that already exist, but with

:17:30. > :17:32.anti-TTIP messages. This man and other campaigners say

:17:33. > :17:38.that TTIP threatens food safety, the NHS, democracy

:17:39. > :17:43.and workers' rights. But those that are for TTIP say it

:17:44. > :17:48.will mean more jobs, and more things much cheaper

:17:49. > :17:50.for you, the customer. Here's the background so you can

:17:51. > :17:58.make your own mind up. TTIP stands for the Transatlantic

:17:59. > :18:01.Trade and Investment Partnership. And as you may have guessed,

:18:02. > :18:06.it's pronounced tee-tip. Negotiated in secret,

:18:07. > :18:09.it's a deal to cut import and export taxes and regulatory barriers

:18:10. > :18:14.to trade between the US and EU countries, making it easier

:18:15. > :18:16.for companies on either side Industries it will affect

:18:17. > :18:22.include pharmaceuticals, cars, energy, finance,

:18:23. > :18:23.chemicals, clothing A deal that could add as much

:18:24. > :18:36.as ?100 billion to the EU economy, ?80 billion to the US economy

:18:37. > :18:39.and as much as ?85 billion Two million extra jobs,

:18:40. > :18:44.more choice and lower prices The biggest bilateral

:18:45. > :18:48.trade deal in history. As you see other markets like China

:18:49. > :18:51.and Asia beginning to develop and Africa, we've got to make sure

:18:52. > :18:54.that our businesses can compete, because at least in

:18:55. > :18:56.the United States, 95% of the world's markets are outside

:18:57. > :18:58.of our borders. TTIP is especially unpopular in

:18:59. > :19:21.Germany. Thousands protested

:19:22. > :19:24.when Obama came to visit. The protesters and other critics say

:19:25. > :19:28.the deal would favour big business and lower standards on products,

:19:29. > :19:34.on safety and on the environment. France has expressed serious

:19:35. > :19:38.concerns about TTIP as it stands, As it stands, we too,

:19:39. > :19:47.would reject TTIP and As well as the London Underground,

:19:48. > :19:57.anti-TTIP protesters are in Leeds It is a massive handover of power

:19:58. > :20:08.to corporations from governments. There are no problems in trade

:20:09. > :20:11.between the EU and the US It is one of the healthiest

:20:12. > :20:14.trade routes there is. And if TTIP was just about trade,

:20:15. > :20:17.reducing tariffs and breaking down trade barriers,

:20:18. > :20:21.I don't think many people The I in TTIP stands for investment,

:20:22. > :20:27.and the investment chapter is what really gives corporations

:20:28. > :20:29.the power and takes it away But I've also invited along

:20:30. > :20:36.Allie Rennison from the Institute Trade liberalisation has a very good

:20:37. > :20:41.track record of bringing down prices for consumers,

:20:42. > :20:43.making things cheaper to access, giving consumers more quality,

:20:44. > :20:45.a better variety of goods And so at the end of the day it

:20:46. > :20:51.makes it cheaper to enjoy And currently she is doing a good

:20:52. > :20:57.job of trying to take over It's basically a trade agreement

:20:58. > :21:09.between the US and the EU. It means that corporations

:21:10. > :21:17.have a huge amount of say. So you two guys are in

:21:18. > :21:19.the same place? No, we're in totally

:21:20. > :21:21.different places. Many people, like this man,

:21:22. > :21:31.hadn't heard of TTIP. The public interest

:21:32. > :21:41.and awareness is increasing. Have you heard about TTIP,

:21:42. > :21:43.the trade deal we're brokering There are some key debates

:21:44. > :21:48.when talking about TTIP. It just seems very

:21:49. > :21:51.undemocratic to me. The first is focused

:21:52. > :21:54.on the inclusion in the deal of another acronym, ISDS,

:21:55. > :21:57.which in stands for Investor This procedure would allow companies

:21:58. > :22:04.to sue foreign governments over claims of unfair treatment,

:22:05. > :22:06.and be entitled to compensation. If you think of an example recently

:22:07. > :22:19.where the Australian government attempted to introduce plain

:22:20. > :22:21.packaging on cigarettes. Philip Morris, the makers

:22:22. > :22:26.of Marlborough, decided to sue the Australian government over this,

:22:27. > :22:30.and failed on a technicality, but that type of case would be

:22:31. > :22:33.repeated in the future, and it will curtail our Government's

:22:34. > :22:36.ability to protect health, the environment and food safety

:22:37. > :22:45.and financial regulations. What it is about is enforcing

:22:46. > :22:50.international law. It's ensuring that firms

:22:51. > :22:51.can't be discriminated That's the nice version,

:22:52. > :22:56.but tobacco companies suing governments for trying to protect

:22:57. > :22:59.the health of their citizens, But if we look at what they're suing

:23:00. > :23:03.for, they're suing for the recovery of their assets, they're not suing

:23:04. > :23:06.to change the decision. It's a net balance

:23:07. > :23:08.effect, basically. You take the risk as a government

:23:09. > :23:11.that potentially you might be sued by a firm under a very limited set

:23:12. > :23:14.of circumstances, but the rate of return that you get on that

:23:15. > :23:17.company investment in the country outweighs substantially any

:23:18. > :23:20.of the risks that you take by having If you put your e-mail address down,

:23:21. > :23:26.we'll send you more information about how you can get more involved

:23:27. > :23:28.in the campaign. You're saying you don't

:23:29. > :23:31.know too much about it, If TTIP is brought in,

:23:32. > :23:36.they can more or less sue the NHS. In the UK, controversy

:23:37. > :23:39.around ISDS has focused I think it will encourage

:23:40. > :23:46.the privatisation of the NHS. What TTIP does is it

:23:47. > :23:49.locks out liberalisation. So if something has been privatised,

:23:50. > :23:56.it's going to be very difficult and very expensive for a future

:23:57. > :24:01.government to take it back in house. If you look at all the trade

:24:02. > :24:04.agreements that have gone before, there are always very clear

:24:05. > :24:07.provisions that say the way that public services are organised always

:24:08. > :24:13.remains a priority and a choice So there is no way that TTIP

:24:14. > :24:17.is going to forcibly They have got your

:24:18. > :24:22.interests at heart? Trade, dependence upon each other

:24:23. > :24:26.for positive reasons, The other thing your stall

:24:27. > :24:32.is covered in are signs The thing we really

:24:33. > :24:40.have a problem with is issues In the European Union,

:24:41. > :24:45.there are over 1300 chemicals banned In America, that list

:24:46. > :24:48.is only 11 strong. They want to harmonise this,

:24:49. > :24:51.and we are concerned that this will introduce potentially dangerous

:24:52. > :24:55.chemicals into our cosmetics. There are plenty of areas,

:24:56. > :24:58.the examples in chemicals where standards are so different

:24:59. > :25:01.that there is going to be no process on changes to existing standards,

:25:02. > :25:03.but what this is about, because you have a lot

:25:04. > :25:08.of companies that trade between the EU and the US,

:25:09. > :25:10.they are going to be impacted by differences

:25:11. > :25:12.in regulation going forward, so a lot of what TTIP in that area

:25:13. > :25:15.is doing is about joint If we leave the EU,

:25:16. > :25:21.this is done away with, we don't need to worry

:25:22. > :25:23.about it any more? I don't think leaving the EU

:25:24. > :25:26.is the solution to this problem, because those in charge

:25:27. > :25:29.of the argument to leave are very keen on negotiating a similar deal

:25:30. > :25:32.between the UK and the US, so I think we'll be out

:25:33. > :25:36.of the frying pan and into the fire. The pro side say TTIP means stronger

:25:37. > :25:43.economies both here and in the US, The antis say it means

:25:44. > :25:48.lower product standards, companies suing governments

:25:49. > :25:50.and a threat to the NHS. So many of you have got in touch

:25:51. > :26:06.to ask about TTIP and what it means Scott Smith who is in Leeds

:26:07. > :26:12.and Ewan McFadyen who is in Glasgow. Here in the studio to answer some

:26:13. > :26:17.of their questions is Dr Dennis Novy He was the advisor to a House

:26:18. > :26:28.of Lords inquiry into TTIP in 2013 Explain to our audience why you say

:26:29. > :26:30.you're neutral on issue of TTIP? I'm abacademic who works in

:26:31. > :26:33.international trade. I've looked into the detail a lot and I have

:26:34. > :26:36.been to a lot of public events on this and I have come to the

:26:37. > :26:41.conclusion on balance this is probably a good thing for the UK

:26:42. > :26:50.economy. OK. Right. Scott, welcome. What would you like to ask Dennis?

:26:51. > :26:54.What the implications are for the privatisation of the NHS are if we

:26:55. > :26:59.were to implement TTIP? This is a very good question. To cut it short,

:27:00. > :27:04.this agreement has nothing to do with the NHS. A lot of people are

:27:05. > :27:09.concerned about the privatisation of the NHS and I think rightly so in my

:27:10. > :27:12.view, but this is all down to what the Government decides and what

:27:13. > :27:17.Parliament decides in Westminster. They can privatise or not privatise

:27:18. > :27:22.the NHS. The European Union to this day, has almost nothing to do with

:27:23. > :27:26.the NHS and by extension, any trade agreement that the European Union

:27:27. > :27:31.agrees or may agree at some point has nothing to do with it. This

:27:32. > :27:36.issue has come in because it has worked as a political weapon for

:27:37. > :27:41.campaigners to scare people into believing that somehow this might

:27:42. > :27:45.lead it a privatisation of the NHS, but there is no connection there.

:27:46. > :27:55.Scott, do you accept that? Yes, Scott, yes? What I've read is that

:27:56. > :27:59.it there could be loopholes and corporations could find loopholes in

:28:00. > :28:05.the agreement which could mean that they could end up investing or suing

:28:06. > :28:10.if they weren't able to. If the Government, if Parliament decides to

:28:11. > :28:13.privatise the NHS or parts of the NHS then they can give out a

:28:14. > :28:18.contract to a private company. That could be a British company. British

:28:19. > :28:22.companies already, private companies already provide services for the

:28:23. > :28:25.NHS? Because of the single market other companies in the European

:28:26. > :28:30.Union can do the same. So fraench company can do the same. If there is

:28:31. > :28:33.this trade agreement with the United States, then a company in the United

:28:34. > :28:36.States could bid to provide services for the NHS. If the Government

:28:37. > :28:40.decides to renationalise that particular part of the NHS, then

:28:41. > :28:44.they would have to pay compensation to any company. So this is not

:28:45. > :28:48.specific to the United States. This is already true even if nothing

:28:49. > :28:52.happens with foreign companies in this context whatsoever. It could

:28:53. > :28:55.have to pay compensation to a British company right now?

:28:56. > :29:04.Absolutely of the that's already the law. What do you think of that then,

:29:05. > :29:08.Scott? That's reassured me a bit. I don't have much confidence in the

:29:09. > :29:16.current Government. But a future Government, it is up to a future

:29:17. > :29:21.Government. Ewan. Hello. Go ahead. The NHS is an important concern, but

:29:22. > :29:26.it is the tip of the iceberg. My concern is with food standards,

:29:27. > :29:33.water services, all kinds of problems. All kinds of concerns. I

:29:34. > :29:38.have seen seen the standards of food in America, GM crops, unsafe water,

:29:39. > :29:43.my concerns are that these standards would come into the EU, come into

:29:44. > :29:48.the UK and public service, public health would suffer? OK. Right, so

:29:49. > :29:53.food standards is one of those really difficult issues. This is in

:29:54. > :29:57.the negotiations. The European Union is negotiating with the United

:29:58. > :30:00.States at the moment and standards for some products, food products

:30:01. > :30:04.differ, this is where the two parties are trying to come to some

:30:05. > :30:09.kind of compromise. This is a really difficult issue. Food is always an

:30:10. > :30:13.international trade, a difficult issue. The United States are

:30:14. > :30:17.exasperated with the pros is of food standards in the European Union

:30:18. > :30:21.because the scientific evidence that the European Union itself provides

:30:22. > :30:25.is commonly rejected by politicians. This is very difficult to understand

:30:26. > :30:29.for outsiders coming from other countries. And this is one of the

:30:30. > :30:31.issues where those two partners will have to find some agreement. It is a

:30:32. > :30:39.difficult one. In terms of the deal being agreed,

:30:40. > :30:45.you would say sooner or not soon? Not soon. They have been negotiating

:30:46. > :30:49.since 2013. Nothing is going to happen any time soon because of the

:30:50. > :30:52.presidential cycle in the United States. Next year we have elections

:30:53. > :30:57.in France and Germany. Typically these things can take seven or eight

:30:58. > :31:01.years, so maybe 2020. Scott and Ewan, thank you very much for your

:31:02. > :31:03.time and your questions. And thank you very much, doctor, for coming on

:31:04. > :31:07.the programme. It is time for the latest news

:31:08. > :31:13.headlines. Here is Joanna. With just two days of campaigning

:31:14. > :31:16.left before the EU referendum, there's been a high profile

:31:17. > :31:18.celebrity endorsement this morning. The former England captain

:31:19. > :31:20.David Beckham says he'll be He says after playing

:31:21. > :31:27.in Madrid, Paris and Milan, Beckham's former England team mate

:31:28. > :31:33.Sol Campbell has regularly been Meanwhile, David Cameron was warned

:31:34. > :31:37.by his own officials four years ago that his immigration target

:31:38. > :31:41.was impossible while inside the EU - that's according to the PM's former

:31:42. > :31:44.director of strategy. Steve Hilton - who's backing

:31:45. > :31:48.the Vote Leave campaign in the EU referendum -

:31:49. > :31:50.claims Mr Cameron was warned "explicitly and directly" that EU

:31:51. > :31:54.free movement rules meant net immigration could not be cut

:31:55. > :31:58.below 100,000 a year. Downing Street says it doesn't

:31:59. > :32:06.recognise the story. A British man accused of trying

:32:07. > :32:09.to assassinate Donald Trump has Michael Sandford didn't enter a plea

:32:10. > :32:13.to a charge of committing Investigators say he told them

:32:14. > :32:17.he drove to a rally held by the Republican presidential

:32:18. > :32:30.candidate on Saturday Now back to Victoria.

:32:31. > :32:32.And the sport now. Here is Sally in Paris.

:32:33. > :32:35.Thanks, Victoria. A stunning 3-0 win for Wales over

:32:36. > :32:38.Russia sees them through to the last 16 of the European Championship -

:32:39. > :32:41.and they've done so as A stunning 3-0 win for Wales over

:32:42. > :32:46.Russia sees them through to the last It's only the second time Wales have

:32:47. > :32:49.qualified for the latter stages of England are also through but it was

:32:50. > :32:53.a disappointing goalless Roy Hodgson's side finished second

:32:54. > :32:56.in group B. Northern Ireland will be hoping

:32:57. > :32:58.to follow England and Wales into the last 16 but they face

:32:59. > :33:01.a tough task against world champions Germany here

:33:02. > :33:03.in Paris this afternoon. England's cricketers are in action

:33:04. > :33:06.today against Sri Lanka in the first one-day international

:33:07. > :33:07.of the five-match series. England's women will also

:33:08. > :33:10.play their first one-day international against Pakistan today

:33:11. > :33:22.after rain at Leicester yesterday. That's all the sport. Back to you,

:33:23. > :33:25.Victoria. Thank you.

:33:26. > :33:27.In an exclusive interview, a former aide to George Galloway tells this

:33:28. > :33:30.programme she's "in shock" after accepting a five-figure sum

:33:31. > :33:33.in damages from the ex-MP and former Respect Party leader over claims

:33:34. > :33:40.she conspired to run a dirty tricks campaign against him.

:33:41. > :33:43.It was a long and complex legal battle which started in 2012,

:33:44. > :33:48.when George Galloway made accusations that she was

:33:49. > :33:51.incompetent, slept with her lover in his house while he was away

:33:52. > :33:53.and used her connections with a police officer

:33:54. > :34:00.to help leak false to try and ruin his reputation.

:34:01. > :34:05.Not only did she lose her job, but Aisha Ali-Khan tells

:34:06. > :34:08.us her reputation and personal life were left in tatters

:34:09. > :34:11.in what she describes as the "most difficult period".

:34:12. > :34:17.George Galloway has now made a payment of five figures for damages

:34:18. > :34:21.for those defamatory comments, and agreed to pay a further five figure

:34:22. > :34:23.sum for the legal costs. Aisha Ali-Khan begins by telling me how

:34:24. > :34:32.she reacted to those initial claims. Officer, what he was saying has

:34:33. > :34:38.ready been picked up and reported upon in all the newspapers. That you

:34:39. > :34:42.were a spy, effectively. Yes, this was back in 2012 and back then it

:34:43. > :34:46.was reported in all the newspapers, internationally as well. It was

:34:47. > :34:49.absolutely crazy, the level of attention that it got. Not

:34:50. > :34:54.surprising because he was sitting MP at the time. But it wasn't just that

:34:55. > :34:58.he said you were some kind of undercover agent but also, he was

:34:59. > :35:03.spreading false information about you, that you were promiscuous? Yes,

:35:04. > :35:10.and I think for a Muslim woman who has worked in the local community

:35:11. > :35:16.for many years... I've taught in predominantly Muslim schools, led

:35:17. > :35:22.campaigns of disability rights, I've tried to highlight issues on

:35:23. > :35:25.domestic violence and child sexual abuse, so I was all ready very

:35:26. > :35:31.active within the communities and had a very good reputation within

:35:32. > :35:36.the community, which, unfortunately, because of what happened in 2012,

:35:37. > :35:44.was now being damaged. Why do you think he was doing this? It's

:35:45. > :35:48.difficult to say. I can give a general opinion. I think it is

:35:49. > :35:52.difficult when you are somebody who is used to getting your own way...

:35:53. > :35:57.And you had had a falling out, you were his Parliamentary aide. In the

:35:58. > :36:04.end, you say you were having to do an Parliamentary duties and he

:36:05. > :36:09.dismissed you, he sacked you. Yes. -- un-Parliamentary duties. He

:36:10. > :36:14.sacked me for gross misconduct after he sent me my -- after he received

:36:15. > :36:20.my e-mail is that were hacked from my e-mail account. I don't know how

:36:21. > :36:23.he managed to get those e-mails and someone who themselves was hacked

:36:24. > :36:27.and paid out quite handsomely, it is quite surprising that he would then

:36:28. > :36:32.inflict the same level of trauma and feelings of being violated on

:36:33. > :36:38.somebody else. In terms of this libel fight that you've been having

:36:39. > :36:45.with him over the last three years, you have won. I know, thank you. How

:36:46. > :36:49.do you feel about that? I can see how you feel. I think I'm a little

:36:50. > :36:56.bit in shock. It still hasn't sunk in yet properly. I have had the most

:36:57. > :37:02.amazing response from everyone, particularly because for the last 18

:37:03. > :37:07.months or so, before Mark got involved and agreed to represent me,

:37:08. > :37:10.I ran the case by myself. It is one of the most difficult periods of my

:37:11. > :37:15.life, not knowing anything about defamation law, not knowing anything

:37:16. > :37:20.on how the court system works. I had to learn everything and I had to

:37:21. > :37:27.skill myself up, so it's been a very, very unbelievable outcome.

:37:28. > :37:32.I'll bring in mark in just a moment but I want to ask you... You've

:37:33. > :37:35.received a public apology from George Galloway, you've received

:37:36. > :37:41.undisclosed libel damages, we're told five figures, he also has to

:37:42. > :37:45.pay the legal costs as well... What is most important to you out of all

:37:46. > :37:50.that? I think what's important top Bob well, to really important things

:37:51. > :37:55.for me was the public apology. For me, that was really important

:37:56. > :37:59.because it meant that he was going to put his hand up and say, "I made

:38:00. > :38:02.a mistake and I shouldn't have said that about you". The second most

:38:03. > :38:08.important thing for me was basically, everything I did was for

:38:09. > :38:10.my son. He saw what had happened to me to document is only eight years

:38:11. > :38:19.old, he witnessed everything first-hand, and it really affected

:38:20. > :38:23.him. It was a case of, we have to stand up to bullies and I've always

:38:24. > :38:27.taught him, ever since he was a very young child... Obviously, he saw me

:38:28. > :38:31.as a committee activist and saw that I would go on campaigns and rallies

:38:32. > :38:36.so he was used his mum fighting against injustice and so when this

:38:37. > :38:40.happened to I had a choice. I could have just rolled over and let other

:38:41. > :38:45.people win, which is what they expected me to do, or I could stand

:38:46. > :38:50.and say, actually, you're not going to bully me, and be the only woman

:38:51. > :38:54.who is going to stand up to you but I'm going to stand up to you whether

:38:55. > :39:01.you like it or not. And over the years, my son has seen me,

:39:02. > :39:08.obviously, fighting, preparing documents, piles and piles of papers

:39:09. > :39:14.everywhere, books everywhere, and I think, I hope, that he's proud of

:39:15. > :39:17.what I have achieved to date. Mark Lewis, tell us, were you surprised

:39:18. > :39:21.when George Galloway's lawyers settled this case so quickly, having

:39:22. > :39:30.fought it, apparently, for three years? Firstly, the hard work was

:39:31. > :39:34.really done by Aisha, from the very beginning. We have to salute her

:39:35. > :39:39.courage, strength and indefatigability, but she did a

:39:40. > :39:44.tremendous job and she fought some very hardly go positions. That's all

:39:45. > :39:50.about access to justice because she was pretty much left on her own to

:39:51. > :39:55.fight the battle. So when she won, I wasn't completely surprised, I

:39:56. > :39:59.wasn't completely taken away, because it was going to trial but it

:40:00. > :40:04.was because of the groundwork Aisha had done. I'd love to take the

:40:05. > :40:08.credit but I can't do that. But in the end, you cannot make up false

:40:09. > :40:13.stuff about other people and potentially get away with it? Well,

:40:14. > :40:17.that's a more important point. Aisha had the guts to stand up to someone

:40:18. > :40:24.and said, I'm standing up and taking you to court, perhaps ignoring the

:40:25. > :40:28.threats and advice from lawyers and the difficulty of getting lawyers

:40:29. > :40:33.earlier on in the case and saying, I'm still here, I'm still going to

:40:34. > :40:38.court. I know she was coming to London to the High Court almost

:40:39. > :40:44.monthly, I think, and possibly even weekly, to go before the judge and

:40:45. > :40:48.say, this is what I want to do and here are all the things. We

:40:49. > :40:53.shouldn't underestimate how difficult that job is, because it's

:40:54. > :40:57.hard enough being the claimant who is represented by a lawyer, because

:40:58. > :41:03.of the stress of the case, but also to do all the legal work and to

:41:04. > :41:07.understand very complex issues of libel law and to fight them, and to

:41:08. > :41:15.fight them in court, and she did that. Briefly, what's next for you?

:41:16. > :41:22.OK, so, Mark and I are going to work together in order to help people had

:41:23. > :41:24.similar experiences to myself, who have found themselves having to

:41:25. > :41:32.litigate a case without any access to legal help. In September I'm

:41:33. > :41:36.hoping to begin my law conversion course, so that I can qualify as a

:41:37. > :41:40.lawyer in a couple of years, and generally just a carry on helping

:41:41. > :41:43.other people as best I can. This experience I've got over the last

:41:44. > :41:49.couple of years, I want to protect this. Thank you very much for

:41:50. > :41:55.talking to us. Aisha Ali-Khan and her lawyer, Mark Lewis.

:41:56. > :41:58.As Commons Speaker John Bercow said Jo Cox's death "strikes not

:41:59. > :42:00.only at an individual but at our freedom",

:42:01. > :42:02.Labour MP Stephen Kinnock sat with his head in his hands.

:42:03. > :42:07.he'd known her for 20 years, they'd shared an office and she'd

:42:08. > :42:10.Throughout the programme this morning, we're bringing you some

:42:11. > :42:20.of those hearttfelt and moving speeches in the House of Commons

:42:21. > :42:21.yesterday, paying tribute to the murdered MP.

:42:22. > :42:25.When it was his turn to speak, Mr Kinnock, the son of former Labour

:42:26. > :42:27.leader Neil Kinnock, made one of the few political

:42:28. > :42:30.He said she'd have reacted with "outrage" to a controversial

:42:31. > :42:32.poster unveiled by Ukip's Nigel Farage showing refugees queuing

:42:33. > :42:39.But he started by talking about their friendship.

:42:40. > :42:49.Jo and I have been friends for over 20 years, and we've had a wonderful

:42:50. > :42:52.12 months sharing an office since our election last May.

:42:53. > :42:55.Jo used to use my cupboard as a wardrobe, and I will never

:42:56. > :42:57.forget her dashing around in her cycling gear,

:42:58. > :43:01.grabbing her clothes and shouting something over her shoulder about

:43:02. > :43:07.She often brought her lovely children to the office with her,

:43:08. > :43:10.and if I was lucky, I'd get a dinosaur drawing or a chance

:43:11. > :43:17.They are wonderful kids who are truly bathed in love.

:43:18. > :43:21.The murder of Jo Cox was a national tragedy, but we must also remember

:43:22. > :43:25.the unspeakable personal suffering that it has caused.

:43:26. > :43:28.Jo's family have lost a loving mother, wife,

:43:29. > :43:35.Mr Speaker, the fearless Jo Cox never stopped

:43:36. > :43:43.She exemplified the best values of our party and of our country -

:43:44. > :43:50.compassion, community, solidarity and internationalism,

:43:51. > :43:56.and she put her convictions to work for everyone she touched.

:43:57. > :43:58.For the people of Batley and Spen, for the wretched of Syria,

:43:59. > :44:02.for the victims of violence and injustice everywhere.

:44:03. > :44:04.On Thursday, Jo was assassinated because of what she was

:44:05. > :44:11.But out of the deep darkness of Jo's death must now come the shining

:44:12. > :44:19.So let us build a politics of hope not fear, respect not hate,

:44:20. > :44:27.Mr Speaker, I can only imagine Jo's reaction had she seen the poster

:44:28. > :44:33.unveiled hours before her death, a poster on the streets of Britain

:44:34. > :44:35.that demonised hundreds of desperate refugees including hungry,

:44:36. > :44:38.terrified children fleeing from the terror of Isis

:44:39. > :44:43.She would have responded with outrage, and with a robust

:44:44. > :44:46.rejection of the calculated narrative of cynicism, division

:44:47. > :44:50.and despair that it represents, because Jo understood that

:44:51. > :44:57.When insecurity, fear and anger are used to light a fuse,

:44:58. > :45:04.In the deeply moving tribute Brendan Cox made last Thursday,

:45:05. > :45:07.he urged the British people to unite and fight against the

:45:08. > :45:12.It is the politics of division and fear, the harking back

:45:13. > :45:16.to incendiary slogans and the rhetoric of Britain First

:45:17. > :45:20.that twists patriotism from love of country

:45:21. > :45:27.Mr Speaker, we must now stand up for something better,

:45:28. > :45:33.In the name of Jo Cox and all that is decent,

:45:34. > :45:36.we must not let this atrocity intimidate our democracy.

:45:37. > :45:39.We must now work to build a more respectful and united country.

:45:40. > :45:42.Because this is our time to honour the legacy of the proud Yorkshire

:45:43. > :45:48.lass who dedicated her life to the common good,

:45:49. > :45:54.and who was so cruelly taken away from us in the prime of her life.

:45:55. > :46:18.There are reports that David Cameron wiped away a tear.

:46:19. > :46:21.As Stephen Kinnock spoke of how Jo Cox's children and husband had

:46:22. > :46:23.lost a wife and mother, her husband Brendan

:46:24. > :46:25.and their two children watched from the viewers' gallery.

:46:26. > :46:27.As did her parents, sister and other family members.

:46:28. > :46:30.Jo Cox's three-year-old daughter Lejla played with a drawing board

:46:31. > :46:32.as she sat on her dad's knee, while five-year-old Cuillin snuggled

:46:33. > :46:35.After the debate yesterday Brendan Cox tweeted,

:46:36. > :46:38."Thank you to the whole House and staff for your kindness

:46:39. > :46:40.and compassion to our family today and for describing so

:46:41. > :46:45.On this programme yesterday, close family friend Tim Dixon told

:46:46. > :46:48.us how Brendan Cox had broken the news of his wife's death

:46:49. > :46:56.Brendan, you know, the last couple of days, to help the kids,

:46:57. > :46:59.knowing they are only three and five, they won't remember

:47:00. > :47:10.So he is trying to help to now write down their memories.

:47:11. > :47:15.So he got them to write down little memories on pieces of paper.

:47:16. > :47:18.Cut out the paper, different shapes and hang them on a tree

:47:19. > :47:23.And I just think he is trying to carry on that what Jo

:47:24. > :47:27.and he created for them and I guess as friends, we will want to be doing

:47:28. > :47:30.all that we can to step in and try and help because the loss

:47:31. > :47:41.One of the most difficult conversations you can ever imagine

:47:42. > :47:45.having with your child. Ben Brooks-Dutton has

:47:46. > :47:47.a five-year-old named Jackson. Just over three years ago his wife

:47:48. > :47:50.Desreen was killed by a dangerous driver as the young family

:47:51. > :47:53.walked home one night. Lucy Sivaraman's husband,

:47:54. > :47:55.Viv, died of a stroke while out She has got four children aged

:47:56. > :48:01.between two and 18-years-old. 23-year-old Samantha Allen's mother

:48:02. > :48:05.died in a car accident when she was five and her brother

:48:06. > :48:09.was three, the same ages And from Edinburgh,

:48:10. > :48:12.Nicola Campbell's 38-year-old husband died of a rare heart

:48:13. > :48:26.condition in 2012 leaving behind Welcome all of you. Thank you very

:48:27. > :48:35.much for coming on our programme and talking about what is a really,

:48:36. > :48:40.really difficult subject. Ben, how did you, I mean, what happened? How

:48:41. > :48:45.did you talk to your son? My wife was killed in front of us. A car

:48:46. > :48:48.mounted the pavement and just skimmed my son's pushchair, but

:48:49. > :48:51.struck and killed my wife and she died at the scene so we were all

:48:52. > :48:56.there. He was two at the time. We quickly got him off the scene. I had

:48:57. > :49:00.friends around and then after that, you know, we went in a police car

:49:01. > :49:03.home that night together just the two of us and I had a bit of grace

:49:04. > :49:06.then because I had lots of friends and family all of a sudden in the

:49:07. > :49:09.house and so he had lots of distractions and lots of gifts and

:49:10. > :49:14.people playing with him and things so I had time to prepare. I spoke to

:49:15. > :49:18.organisations like Grief Encounter and Winston's Wish that help with

:49:19. > :49:22.bereaved children, I needed to explain it to him in the most age

:49:23. > :49:25.appropriate way. He was two so he wasn't going to understand the

:49:26. > :49:30.concept of death until he was five or six. I said his mummy had gone

:49:31. > :49:36.away, but couldn't come back, but reassured him that I was still there

:49:37. > :49:40.and that nothing was going to happen me and he does understand what death

:49:41. > :49:45.is and I have been able to explain through silly things like insects,

:49:46. > :49:48.if we find a dead insect I can explain that dead insect can't move

:49:49. > :49:52.anymore and it isn't alive anymore which means it is dead. It has been

:49:53. > :49:57.a slow message, but something that's had to be consistent. Right. Lucy,

:49:58. > :50:04.you have four children as I said aged 18, nine, five and two. When

:50:05. > :50:08.did you tell them that you were going to switch off the life support

:50:09. > :50:13.machine for your husband? It is funny. We told them at different

:50:14. > :50:17.times. So Viv collapsed on the Sunday. We knew from Sunday evening

:50:18. > :50:20.that we couldn't do anything, but knowing something and believing it

:50:21. > :50:25.are very different. We had two days and then he was certified that he

:50:26. > :50:31.died on the Tuesday. So my son who was 16, he was there all the time as

:50:32. > :50:36.was my nine-year-old, but it was on the Tuesday, you're doing the worst

:50:37. > :50:40.thing that parent, that you feel you can do as a parent really. It goes

:50:41. > :50:44.against all your instinct, but you know you have to do it. So you have

:50:45. > :50:47.to be really honest. I sat my eight-year-old down in the hospital,

:50:48. > :50:53.you know, she was still with her daddy, we went into a room. And you

:50:54. > :50:58.have to really be honest and use really real terms, you know, not

:50:59. > :51:01.that they are they have gone to sleep or anything, it is about that

:51:02. > :51:06.they have died and what this means and also someone gave me really good

:51:07. > :51:10.advice about letting the child follow your child. Let the child

:51:11. > :51:15.lead you in where they want to go with this and that was a really good

:51:16. > :51:18.piece of information. As with my four-year-old, her level of

:51:19. > :51:24.understanding as Ben was saying, they understand differently. That

:51:25. > :51:31.was actually the next day at home. And again, just it is so, it is so

:51:32. > :51:36.overwhelming that you just need to follow how the child is, but just

:51:37. > :51:41.being really clear and consistent. We were talking before consistency

:51:42. > :51:45.is really key. Samantha Jo Cox's children are five

:51:46. > :51:49.and three, the same as you and your brother when your mother died. You

:51:50. > :51:52.were in a coma after the accident. When you regained consciousness, do

:51:53. > :51:59.you recall what your father said to you? Again, it was about honesty and

:52:00. > :52:04.just being upfront with what has happened. But we did have to be told

:52:05. > :52:08.repeatedly because we would come back the next day and there would be

:52:09. > :52:14.a question of when is mummy coming home? Right. We didn't quite

:52:15. > :52:16.understandment it was a difficult time, but you just have to be

:52:17. > :52:22.consistent with the message. Yeah, OK. Nicola, let me bring you in.

:52:23. > :52:27.Again, in terms of this conversation, how did it go with

:52:28. > :52:33.your own children? My youngest was nine weeks old. So I didn't have the

:52:34. > :52:36.conversation. It is just for her, it has been her every day since she has

:52:37. > :52:41.been little so she has no memories at all of when it happened, when

:52:42. > :52:49.Colin died. With my elder daughter, she was 22 months old. She was aware

:52:50. > :52:56.and I, she was aware of his absence more than anything. And that evening

:52:57. > :52:59.at bedtime, no, it was the second evening, the second evening after

:53:00. > :53:02.because the first evening I wasn't able to speak to her, I couldn't

:53:03. > :53:06.even dot functioning of doing feeding and bed. The second evening

:53:07. > :53:10.at bedtime, after bedtime story I told her that daddy had died and the

:53:11. > :53:14.same with the others, it is all, it is always been about the message of

:53:15. > :53:18.being quite honest and truthful. As they've grown, I've told them, you

:53:19. > :53:23.know, they've asked why? Why did he die? Why did his heart stop working?

:53:24. > :53:28.I have been very honest about saying his body stopped work. His heart

:53:29. > :53:32.stopped working. And it is part of their every day, they still question

:53:33. > :53:37.and they ask me can they wish him back? Can they ask Santa? But as

:53:38. > :53:41.they have got older, they have kind of understood that what death means

:53:42. > :53:45.and that it is final. But it doesn't mean that you can't remember, even

:53:46. > :53:48.though you have no memories, it is all, you know, we talk about him

:53:49. > :53:53.every day, there is photos around and it is about creating new

:53:54. > :53:59.memories with him as part of our conversation.

:54:00. > :54:04.As family friend Tim Dixon revealed, Brendan Cox has got his children to

:54:05. > :54:08.write down things they love about their mum. How does Jackson remember

:54:09. > :54:14.his mum? How do you make sure he remembers his mum? There is lots of

:54:15. > :54:17.pictures of her around. I tell him stories about her all the time.

:54:18. > :54:22.Something that I've started to do though is to ask my friends to spend

:54:23. > :54:29.time with him and to tell their stories because I only, I was only

:54:30. > :54:32.with Des for eight years and she had 26 years of life before that with

:54:33. > :54:37.amazing friends so they have got more stories and sometimes I feel

:54:38. > :54:40.guilty because I feel I run out of things to say to him. He only had

:54:41. > :54:44.two years and how much that is actually exciting for the parent

:54:45. > :54:48.because it is nurturing a child, a very young child and trying to get

:54:49. > :54:51.her best friends and family involved and have time alone with them to

:54:52. > :54:54.tell stories and have a conversation about her is really important to me

:54:55. > :55:03.as well. Do you remember your mum? Yeah, do I. I do. I have memories of

:55:04. > :55:07.her and then I've spoken to, like you were saying friends of the

:55:08. > :55:11.family and my family members themselves to get a picture of what

:55:12. > :55:14.she was like. When I was little the best compliment you could tell me

:55:15. > :55:19.was to tell me that I was like my mum. That was the highest praise.

:55:20. > :55:23.I've got quite a big picture of her now so I can imagine her. But then

:55:24. > :55:27.it is nice when you get new information even now like I recently

:55:28. > :55:30.heard her voice. That was nice because I don't remember that, but I

:55:31. > :55:35.remember what she looks like. Any new information is always just nice

:55:36. > :55:41.for your collection. Lucy, how much do you talk about Viv

:55:42. > :55:48.in the family home? All the time. But again, at the beginning, because

:55:49. > :55:52.it was so sudden and as I think it was with lots of us, children often

:55:53. > :55:56.go into a state of shock themselves. So they now talk a lot more about

:55:57. > :55:59.what has happened, but we talk about him all the time. It is not about

:56:00. > :56:05.remembering him, he is part of the house.s part of the family. You

:56:06. > :56:10.know, he is everywhere. Harry will come out yesterday with you know

:56:11. > :56:17.things about, "How did daddy hold the knife and fork?" I was driving

:56:18. > :56:21.along the motorway and she was, "You should hold your hands up here

:56:22. > :56:26.rather than down there just like daddy did." What you have all said,

:56:27. > :56:32.you have to tell the truth to children. You cannot say they are

:56:33. > :56:37.asleep or they're this hospital or I don't know if any of you reached for

:56:38. > :56:43.heaven for example, but it sounds a silly question, but why is the truth

:56:44. > :56:48.the right way Ben? You raised the heaven debate. I think that for me,

:56:49. > :56:52.when Jackson was only two, he didn't know anything about spirituality and

:56:53. > :56:59.heaven may as well have been Manchester. It implied she had gone

:57:00. > :57:04.to a geographical location that she could get back from or he could go

:57:05. > :57:09.to. The minute he started saying he wanted to be in heaven with mummy or

:57:10. > :57:15.if she is in the sky, the first time you get in an aeroplane he thinks

:57:16. > :57:17.that he will see her. It has to be absolute and consistent. Thank you

:57:18. > :57:20.for coming on the programme. I appreciate your time and your

:57:21. > :57:23.insight and your honesty, thank you. Throughout the programme we've

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