07/07/2016

:00:10. > :00:10.Hello - it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:11. > :00:27.We will be speaking to relatives of service personnel who died in the

:00:28. > :00:33.Iraq war. Speaking in the past hour, Tony Blair has continued to justify

:00:34. > :00:39.his backing of the invasion. What is true, and I completely accept it, is

:00:40. > :00:43.that we were giving the United States a very clear commit went that

:00:44. > :00:44.we were a goal of the alongside them in dealing with this issue. How we

:00:45. > :00:48.dealt with it is another matter. Thousands protest overnight

:00:49. > :00:51.in Louisiana where a black man - Alton Sterling - was shot dead

:00:52. > :01:01.by two white police officers. Here is his widow. The individuals

:01:02. > :01:08.involved in his murder took away a man with children, who depended upon

:01:09. > :01:13.their daddy on a daily basis. And overnight footage apparently

:01:14. > :01:24.of another killing by police - still unverified, of another killing

:01:25. > :01:42.by police - It is all quiet here in Lyon, but

:01:43. > :01:46.Wales leave the tournament with their heads held high. They dared to

:01:47. > :01:57.dream, and that philosophy took them all the way to the semifinals.

:01:58. > :02:02.Hello - welcome to the programme - we're live until 11 this morning.

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:02:16. > :02:21.Tony Blair has been trying again to defend

:02:22. > :02:23.his actions in the run-up to the Iraq war.

:02:24. > :02:26.Sir John Chilcot's report yesterday delivered a scathing critique

:02:27. > :02:28.of the planning of the war and its aftermath.

:02:29. > :02:30.This morning, senior figures involved in the decision to take

:02:31. > :02:33.Britain to war have responded by suggesting it underplayed

:02:34. > :02:35.the role of the United States in pushing for military action.

:02:36. > :02:37.And some families say they're considering legal action.

:02:38. > :02:46.It was a conflict in which 179 British soldiers died.

:02:47. > :02:49.Now, the enquiry into the Iraq war says they were sent

:02:50. > :02:51.in ill-prepared and underequipped, and that Tony Blair,

:02:52. > :02:54.the then Prime Minister, had taken the UK to war before

:02:55. > :03:03.Those are painful conclusions for the bereaved relatives to hear.

:03:04. > :03:07.I've gone back to that time when I learnt that my brother had

:03:08. > :03:10.been killed, and there was one terrorist in this world

:03:11. > :03:20.He can't walk away from all this with that blood on his hands,

:03:21. > :03:28.The Chilcot report found that Tony Blair had overstated the threat

:03:29. > :03:31.posed by Saddam Hussein, that there was no imminent threat

:03:32. > :03:35.and the intelligence case for war was not justified.

:03:36. > :03:37.Lawyers for the families of the service personnel

:03:38. > :03:42.who died say they will now consider legal action.

:03:43. > :03:48.Tony Blair stood by his decision to go to war,

:03:49. > :03:57.For all of this, I express more sorrow, regret

:03:58. > :04:02.and apology then you may ever know or could believe.

:04:03. > :04:05.The invasion in 2003 was led by the United States,

:04:06. > :04:12.Senior figures involved in that decision suggested the Chilcot

:04:13. > :04:14.report underplayed the role of the US in pushing

:04:15. > :04:20.The Americans weren't genuine about it, but the Prime Minister

:04:21. > :04:24.WAS genuine, because he thought there was a chance that

:04:25. > :04:25.Saddam could be made to back down before

:04:26. > :04:31.For a while, George Bush agreed with him.

:04:32. > :04:33.But others behind George Bush didn't, and thought

:04:34. > :04:44.During and after the conflict, more than 150,000 Iraqis were killed.

:04:45. > :04:51.Just this weekend, at least 250 died in a suicide bomb attack in Baghdad,

:04:52. > :04:54.a reminder that 13 years on, Iraq remains unstable and its people

:04:55. > :05:09.the last hour, Mr Blair has conceded that it would have been better to

:05:10. > :05:14.challenge the intelligence reports, described as flawed by the inquiry.

:05:15. > :05:17.But he insisted there was not a doubt in most people's minds that

:05:18. > :05:22.the Iraqi leader had the capability for weapons of mass destruction. He

:05:23. > :05:26.said he tried to persuade the US to go down a different route. If they

:05:27. > :05:31.go back to the United Nations and get a resolution there, that of

:05:32. > :05:36.course postpones military action, which was my purpose, and gives us a

:05:37. > :05:40.chance to pursue this peacefully. You will find elsewhere in the

:05:41. > :05:45.evidence that after the November resolution was passed, was a

:05:46. > :05:49.conversation where President Bush accepted explicitly that if there

:05:50. > :05:52.was compliance with 1441, there would not be military action. I

:05:53. > :05:58.understand exactly what you're saying. You can take these phrases

:05:59. > :06:02.and debate what they mean. But I can assure you, what I meant was very,

:06:03. > :06:05.very clear, and was clear to the Americans have - I am right

:06:06. > :06:09.alongside you in dealing with this, but it has to be done the right way.

:06:10. > :06:12.It has to be done through the United Nations.

:06:13. > :06:15.Now, a summary of the rest of the days news.

:06:16. > :06:18.Conservative MPs vote again today on who they want to be the next

:06:19. > :06:22.There are three candidates left in the race.

:06:23. > :06:25.In the first vote the Home Secretary Theresa May finished

:06:26. > :06:28.well ahead, followed by Andrea Leadsom and Michael Gove.

:06:29. > :06:33.The final two with the most votes will then have to win

:06:34. > :06:39.the support of 150,000 Conservative party members.

:06:40. > :06:41.The result is due on September 9th, but some MPs want

:06:42. > :06:46.Hundreds of people have taken part in a vigil in the American state

:06:47. > :06:49.of Louisiana, where a black man was shot dead by two white police

:06:50. > :06:56.Video footage has been published online appearing to show 37-year-

:06:57. > :06:59.old Alton Sterling being held down and shot, outside a convenience

:07:00. > :07:10.This is the second graphic video to emerge of the shooting.

:07:11. > :07:13.Alton Sterling is already on the ground as

:07:14. > :07:23.There is swearing as the officers move away.

:07:24. > :07:31.And they remove something, perhaps a weapon, from his pocket.

:07:32. > :07:33.The 37-year-old has a string of offences, and police say

:07:34. > :07:35.they were responding to reports that he

:07:36. > :07:42.But his family and friends say he was

:07:43. > :07:50.And this is another example of white police brutality on the black

:07:51. > :07:59.He is not what the mass media is making him out to be.

:08:00. > :08:03.It is an attempt to try and obscure the

:08:04. > :08:09.image of a man who simply tried to earn a living.

:08:10. > :08:11.The two officers involved have been placed on

:08:12. > :08:15.Their actions will be the subject of a civil

:08:16. > :08:22.Protesters gathered in their thousands on the

:08:23. > :08:29.They shouted their message, but the anger

:08:30. > :08:38.Many have no hope that justice will be served.

:08:39. > :08:41.We are not anti-police, we are anti-injustice.

:08:42. > :08:45.That is what we have been getting here - injustice.

:08:46. > :08:50.And as the protest went on, they danced out their

:08:51. > :09:00.Their song was "Free the people", determined to put on a peaceful show

:09:01. > :09:08.This is not just about one man, it's not just about one incident.

:09:09. > :09:09.People here distrust the authorities and distrust the

:09:10. > :09:15.They feel this is a battle for their civil rights, and one

:09:16. > :09:22.There's been another shooting in America in which a black man has

:09:23. > :09:24.been shot dead by police in confused circumstances.

:09:25. > :09:33.The latest incident took place in the city of Minneapolis.

:09:34. > :10:00.The latest incident took place in Minnesota.

:10:01. > :10:02.MPs have expressed significant concerns about the government's

:10:03. > :10:05.preferred candidate for the next head of the schools regulator,

:10:06. > :10:08.The Education Select Committee has questioned

:10:09. > :10:10.Amanda Spielman's passion for the job, and understanding

:10:11. > :10:16.But the Education Secretary, Nicky Morgan, says Ms Spielman remains

:10:17. > :10:27.She currently chairperson of the exams regulator. Sir Michael Wilshaw

:10:28. > :10:41.steps down as head of Ofsted at the end of the year. There will be a new

:10:42. > :10:46.regulator for charity fundraisers, as of today. It is intended to help

:10:47. > :10:50.restore public faith in the sect following complaints about how some

:10:51. > :11:00.charitable organisations raise money. Michael Buchanan reports.

:11:01. > :11:07.Following the death of 92-year-old Olive Cooke, there were concerns

:11:08. > :11:11.about how some charities were targeting donors. A committee of MPs

:11:12. > :11:15.found a number of charities were using unethical and exploit a dip

:11:16. > :11:19.method is to raise money, including buying and selling the personal

:11:20. > :11:22.details of donors. Today's creation of a new fundraising regulator is an

:11:23. > :11:31.attempt to improve standards. The idea is that a separate body can be

:11:32. > :11:35.a bit distance from both the fundraising community on one side,

:11:36. > :11:41.and have the ability to raise and handle complaints on the other. We

:11:42. > :11:46.will be independent and very open to receive complaints from the public.

:11:47. > :11:50.We hope to have a good process in place to respond to those concerns,

:11:51. > :11:56.and to do it well. Charity fundraising is hugely competitive.

:11:57. > :12:01.Last year, ?9.6 billion was raised, slightly down on the previous year.

:12:02. > :12:07.The average donation was ?14 a month. But all of that money spread

:12:08. > :12:12.between 190,000 different groups. With public spending cuts, charities

:12:13. > :12:17.are being asked to do more, with less. This new self-regulating body

:12:18. > :12:19.is a chance for charities to show respect to their donors and rebuild

:12:20. > :12:23.trust with the wider public. Marks and Spencer says it

:12:24. > :12:25.experienced an eight point nine percent fall in clothing sales,

:12:26. > :12:29.in the first quarter The retailer said the slump,

:12:30. > :12:34.in the three months to the start of July,

:12:35. > :12:38.was worse than expected,. to the start of July,

:12:39. > :12:40.was worse than expected. It suggested consumer confidence

:12:41. > :12:42.weakened in the run up It suggested consumer confidence

:12:43. > :12:58.weakened in the run-up Five newborn lion cubs have been

:12:59. > :13:03.discovered in the mountains surrounding Los Angeles. This

:13:04. > :13:06.footage is was captured last month by the Us National Park Service, who

:13:07. > :13:13.had been tracking their mothers. They had been following them using

:13:14. > :13:16.GPS from collars attached to the Cubs' mothers.

:13:17. > :13:18.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:13:19. > :13:23.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:13:24. > :13:26.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:13:27. > :13:45.And the epic Wales adventure comes to an end, such a shame! And hasn't

:13:46. > :13:48.it been an adventure? I feel like we have travelled with them through

:13:49. > :13:52.this tournament, as they have grown and surprised everybody. They did

:13:53. > :13:57.not seem to surprise themselves, however. There was an inner

:13:58. > :14:00.confidence about this team. If they were nervous, they did not really

:14:01. > :14:08.show it, perhaps until the first half last night. They were looking

:14:09. > :14:11.very, very strong at the back, but times I think you could tell that

:14:12. > :14:15.the nerves were creeping in. And their dream was ended by a moment of

:14:16. > :14:17.brilliance from Cristiani Ronaldo. Let's look back on it now with Drew

:14:18. > :14:33.Savage. The Welsh strength and togetherness

:14:34. > :14:40.and passion had carried them this far. But it was not quite enough to

:14:41. > :14:44.take them to Paris. They need to understand that they have done their

:14:45. > :14:46.country proud. The match had been billed as Cristiano Ronaldo versus

:14:47. > :14:55.Gareth Bale. Shortly after the break, the Portuguese struck. A

:14:56. > :14:58.greatly forward for Portugal, and just three minutes later, followed

:14:59. > :15:06.by a sucker punch from a seemingly innocuous shot from Ronaldo. Quick

:15:07. > :15:13.thinking from the former Manchester United man Nani, and Wales were in

:15:14. > :15:19.trouble. Wayne Hennessey just about kept it down to two. Without Aaron

:15:20. > :15:26.Ramsey, Gareth Bale had to try and do it on his own. But a Welsh

:15:27. > :15:28.comeback was a long shot, even beyond his substantial talents.

:15:29. > :15:40.Portugal and Ronaldo are on their way to Paris. Wales' tournament of a

:15:41. > :15:44.lifetime ends in Lyon. The great and good of Welsh sport have all had

:15:45. > :15:55.their say on last night. Rugby union captain Sam Warburton treated -

:15:56. > :16:11.Welcome cyclist Geraint Thomas and says... -- Welsh cyclist.

:16:12. > :16:16.That is a mood that is echoed everywhere this morning. Of course,

:16:17. > :16:20.it was a busy night of sport last night. Lots of people at home were

:16:21. > :16:25.probably channel hopping between the football and Andy Murray's epic five

:16:26. > :16:29.set match against Jo-Wilfried Tsonga at Wimbledon. Murray says he had to

:16:30. > :16:33.summon up all of his energy to win that game and overcome Tsonga's

:16:34. > :16:37.fightback in their quarterfinal. Murray took the final set off a

:16:38. > :16:42.thrilling match 6-1 after Tsonga had battled back to level from two sets

:16:43. > :16:47.down. The world number two plays Tomas Berdych in the semis tomorrow.

:16:48. > :16:54.Obviously, it was a tough match. The end of that fourth set was really

:16:55. > :17:01.tough, losing the game after breaking and coming back from 40-0

:17:02. > :17:05.in that game, to lose the set 6-4 was hard. But I tried to use all my

:17:06. > :17:09.energy at the beginning of the fifth set to get myself up and try and get

:17:10. > :17:14.the crowd pumped up. It had been a long day for them, some long

:17:15. > :17:17.matches. Thankfully, I got the early break and managed to hang onto it.

:17:18. > :17:24.Obviously, Andy Murray still has work to do. That Wimbledon final is

:17:25. > :17:28.on Friday. Will he be there? But as far as the Welsh football team are

:17:29. > :17:32.concerned, I am sure they will get quite a welcome when they eventually

:17:33. > :17:34.get home. Victoria. I think they will! More from Sally

:17:35. > :17:37.later. This time yesterday,

:17:38. > :17:40.relatives of the 179 British personnel who died in the 2003 Iraq

:17:41. > :17:44.war were waiting for the publication of Sir John Chilcot's long awaited

:17:45. > :17:46.report into the conflict. Some of them had already been

:17:47. > :17:48.allowed early access to the many volumes of text,

:17:49. > :17:51.searching for the answers they'd They learnt what many of them had

:17:52. > :17:55.long believed, that Tony Blair overstated the threat posed by Iraqi

:17:56. > :17:59.dictator Saddam Hussein, sent ill-prepared troops

:18:00. > :18:03.into battle and failed to put in place an adequate,

:18:04. > :18:06.long-term strategy for the region. It was a damning verdict on the UK's

:18:07. > :18:12.role in the 2003 invasion. When Sir John Chilcot delivered

:18:13. > :18:17.an overview of his report into the lessons to be learned

:18:18. > :18:20.from the Iraq war, he criticised almost every part

:18:21. > :18:24.of the UK's involvement: The reasons it began,

:18:25. > :18:27.the intelligence provided We have concluded that the UK chose

:18:28. > :18:35.to join the invasion of Iraq before

:18:36. > :18:39.the peaceful options for disarmament Military action at that time

:18:40. > :18:45.was not a last resort. The judgments about the severity

:18:46. > :18:49.of the threat posed by Iraq's

:18:50. > :18:52.weapons of mass destruction, WMD, were presented with a certainty

:18:53. > :18:57.that was not justified. It is now clear that policy on Iraq

:18:58. > :19:01.was made on the basis of flawed The planning and preparations

:19:02. > :19:07.for Iraq after Saddam Hussein Outside, protesters called

:19:08. > :19:19.for former Prime Minister Tony Blair to face charges, while family

:19:20. > :19:22.members of British service personnel that died in the war

:19:23. > :19:26.expressed their own views. I've gone back to that time

:19:27. > :19:30.when I learned that my brother had been killed, and there is one

:19:31. > :19:34.terrorist in the world that the world needs to be aware of,

:19:35. > :19:38.and his name is Tony Blair, By lunchtime, Prime Minister David

:19:39. > :19:50.Cameron had warned that the report should not deter Parliament

:19:51. > :19:53.from voting to invade countries in the future,

:19:54. > :19:55.so long as there was Just because intervention

:19:56. > :19:59.is difficult, it doesn't

:20:00. > :20:01.mean there are not times Yes, Britain has and will continue

:20:02. > :20:07.to learn the lessons of this report, against Daesh in Iraq and Syria

:20:08. > :20:12.today, Britain must not and will not shrink from its role on the world

:20:13. > :20:18.stage or fail to protect its people. emphasised his view that public

:20:19. > :20:22.protests before the war The tragedy is that

:20:23. > :20:27.while the governing class got it so horrifically wrong, many of our

:20:28. > :20:33.people actually got it right. Many, on February 15th, 2003,

:20:34. > :20:39.1.5 million, spanning

:20:40. > :20:42.the entire political spectrum, and millions of others

:20:43. > :20:46.across the world marched the biggest ever demonstration

:20:47. > :20:52.in British history. Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair's

:20:53. > :20:55.former director of communications, however, said he and the former

:20:56. > :20:58.Prime Minister had not looked to dupe the public over the threat

:20:59. > :21:01.posed by the former Iraqi I think actually, we can lay to rest

:21:02. > :21:08.a lot of the allegations Sir John does recognise that

:21:09. > :21:16.Tony Blair was trying to influence the Americans and did have some

:21:17. > :21:20.success in that. admitted there was a lack of a

:21:21. > :21:25.long-term strategy for the region, and said he was sorry for any

:21:26. > :21:29.mistakes he had made. The mistakes on planning and

:21:30. > :21:33.process, I absolutely acknowledge. I'm not passing responsibility

:21:34. > :21:38.to someone else. I accept full responsibility

:21:39. > :21:42.for those mistakes. I can look not just the families

:21:43. > :21:45.of this country, but the nation in the eye and say I did not

:21:46. > :21:47.mislead this country. I made a decision in good faith

:21:48. > :21:50.on the information believe he should face

:21:51. > :21:57.consequences for his actions, including the Scottish First

:21:58. > :22:01.Minister Nicola Sturgeon. There has to be some

:22:02. > :22:03.sense of accountability, that we can't simply have a case

:22:04. > :22:08.of politicians who took these decisions on the flawed basis

:22:09. > :22:11.that this report now outlines given that the consequences of

:22:12. > :22:18.the Iraqi war are still being felt. Peter Brierley lost his son,

:22:19. > :22:22.Lance Corporal Shaun Brierley, in March 2003, in the earliest days

:22:23. > :22:36.of the Iraq war. Debbie's husband was killed in

:22:37. > :22:40.attack hit by so-called friendly fire again in March 2000 three.

:22:41. > :22:46.Iain Mcmenemy was a TA soldier and served in Iraq in 2003.

:22:47. > :22:53.Peter, what do you think now that you have had a little time to absorb

:22:54. > :22:59.some of Chilcot's report? When it came out, it came out almost exactly

:23:00. > :23:03.as we needed it to be. We expected it to be covered up so that we would

:23:04. > :23:09.have to look for things, but it is fairly plain that what Tony Blair

:23:10. > :23:20.calls mistakes, we don't accept that they were mistakes. He had decided

:23:21. > :23:27.to go to war in 2002. I don't accept his apology. Iain, how do you

:23:28. > :23:31.reflect on some of what Sir John Chilcot said? I thought it was a

:23:32. > :23:37.very hard-hitting report, perhaps more hard-hitting than a number of

:23:38. > :23:39.people had expected. And that may be explained some of Tony Blair's

:23:40. > :23:44.initial body language yesterday, when he started speaking, before he

:23:45. > :23:51.slipped back into his old statesman-like ways. It was quite a

:23:52. > :23:58.body blow to him. But I think Sir John Chilcot is a career civil

:23:59. > :24:04.servant, a man I have a lot of respect for. And I think he uses

:24:05. > :24:10.language suggesting that things should have been examined more

:24:11. > :24:14.closely. He is not the kind of person to use the word lies or

:24:15. > :24:21.anything as strong as that. But he is suggesting that things were not

:24:22. > :24:24.done. He is saying that Tony Blair raps chose not to look deeper into

:24:25. > :24:30.the intelligence, because he was building a case for a project he had

:24:31. > :24:33.committed to nearly a year before. On the radio this morning, Tony

:24:34. > :24:38.Blair has admitted that he should have challenged the intelligence a

:24:39. > :24:42.lot more rigorously. Debbie, conclusions like "There was no

:24:43. > :24:46.imminent threat from Saddam Hussein, military action was not a last

:24:47. > :24:54.resort and the policy towards Iraq was based on flawed evidence" - how

:24:55. > :25:00.you process that? At the moment, it is quite hard to process. It is

:25:01. > :25:06.something I was speaking to our legal team about today. It is

:25:07. > :25:11.something I have been saying for the last 30 years. Saying we had no

:25:12. > :25:15.equipment and should not have gone in so fast and everything else. I

:25:16. > :25:23.suppose it is quite a shock now to see it in black and white. I never

:25:24. > :25:29.expected that. How do you feel you have been treated in your quest to

:25:30. > :25:35.establish what Sir John Chilcot said you had been thinking all along? It

:25:36. > :25:44.has been a hard battle over the last 13 years. The MoD haven't helped by

:25:45. > :25:49.claiming things like national security against paperwork, making

:25:50. > :25:55.the case hard. They have taken me to court to try and stop me taking

:25:56. > :26:01.further action, and we have won them all. But it has been a hard battle.

:26:02. > :26:02.If this report had come out at the beginning, it would have been a lot

:26:03. > :26:06.easier for me. Let's have a listen to a little

:26:07. > :26:10.of what Tony Blair said yesterday - A short time ago, my colleague

:26:11. > :26:12.on BBC Radio 4, John Humphrys, asked Tony Blair why

:26:13. > :26:15.it was apparently so difficult for him to say sorry to families

:26:16. > :26:17.of those who had died Isn't there a sense perhaps

:26:18. > :26:21.in which you, you're a deeply religious man,

:26:22. > :26:24.we know that, it's impossible for you, in a sense,

:26:25. > :26:27.to offer the people who have been affected by the war

:26:28. > :26:30.the apology, the full apology they feel is needed,

:26:31. > :26:33.because the responsibility for that is something that

:26:34. > :26:40.you simply couldn't bear, and I wonder whether you pray

:26:41. > :26:43.at all and whether you ask I think there may well be people

:26:44. > :26:50.who believe that until I say I took the wrong decision,

:26:51. > :26:54.that I am not properly sorry. But because I don't believe it

:26:55. > :27:03.and because I don't think that this struggle was in vain in the end,

:27:04. > :27:06.when I look at the Middle East today, forgive me for saying this,

:27:07. > :27:11.but I'm there a lot of the time. I see the struggle going

:27:12. > :27:16.on in the Middle East, which is all to do with,

:27:17. > :27:18.can these coutries get to religiously tolerant

:27:19. > :27:21.and pluralistic societies, can they get to rule-based

:27:22. > :27:24.economies and democracy, and I am looking at it and thinking,

:27:25. > :27:29.OK, what we did in removing Saddam had terrible consequences

:27:30. > :27:32.that we did not foresee and I understand all the criticisms,

:27:33. > :27:36.but when I look at it today, I still think we moved

:27:37. > :27:39.with the grain of where the future is to be in these countries

:27:40. > :27:46.and in this region. And in the end, when I look

:27:47. > :27:50.at other battlefields or battlegrounds in the region,

:27:51. > :27:52.are we better off in Syria I don't know, but I know that this

:27:53. > :27:59.debate can't just be conducted in terms of whether my decision

:28:00. > :28:06.in Iraq was taken on right or wrong grounds or in good

:28:07. > :28:10.faith or bad faith. At some point, we have got to be

:28:11. > :28:13.able to have what I would call a deep debate about how

:28:14. > :28:29.we deal with this issue. Iain, how do you respond to Mr Blair

:28:30. > :28:36.saying the struggle was not in vain? I accept that he believes that what

:28:37. > :28:38.he did was right. He believes his decision-making process was right

:28:39. > :28:48.because he wanted to remove Saddam Hussein. But he used intelligence in

:28:49. > :28:54.a way that misled people. He sexed it up, was the phrase used at the

:28:55. > :28:59.time. He took that information and twisted it in a way to build an

:29:00. > :29:05.argument, and then told us, the soldiers who were asked to go out

:29:06. > :29:10.and serve, he told his own Cabinet, it has now been found out that a lot

:29:11. > :29:14.of it was discussions on sofas in Downing Street with key people, not

:29:15. > :29:20.his whole Cabinet, and then he told parliament all this information that

:29:21. > :29:24.he had. So whilst I understand that in his own mind, he probably

:29:25. > :29:29.believes he was just in doing this, he cannot take such a grave decision

:29:30. > :29:34.and put people's lives on the line, not just British lives, but Iraqi

:29:35. > :29:38.lives as well and others throughout the world who have paid a price for

:29:39. > :29:42.this conflict that has now expanded, when you are asking people to do

:29:43. > :29:50.that, the least you owe them is some honesty. Peter, how do you react?

:29:51. > :29:56.One of the things about the Chilcot Inquiry was the aftermath. If I

:29:57. > :30:01.understand rightly, he has said when he goes to the Middle East now, it

:30:02. > :30:07.looks better. It is 30 years too late if that is true. But last week,

:30:08. > :30:16.there was a bomb, one of the biggest for a long time in Baghdad. So that

:30:17. > :30:17.does not seem any better to me. As you said, everything he did, he did

:30:18. > :30:29.on manipulation. Sir John Chilcot suggested that he

:30:30. > :30:35.presented the evidence with a certainty which was not justified.

:30:36. > :30:40.That's it. I am now convinced that he actually believes what he is

:30:41. > :30:44.saying. This is not spin, it isn't trying to cover his back, I think he

:30:45. > :30:51.believes what he's saying. Is delusional. Delusional, what do you

:30:52. > :30:54.think of that description? I think he's definitely delusional. The

:30:55. > :31:01.evidence is there in black and white. He did believe he was going

:31:02. > :31:04.into Iraq for the right reasons, but like as he needs to sit down and

:31:05. > :31:14.read the report and accept that he was wrong. Iraq and the world is not

:31:15. > :31:16.a better place. The probably also needs to question that, because he

:31:17. > :31:24.was warned about future terrorist activity, we can question whether

:31:25. > :31:29.the world's status as it is now is a result of Tony Blair's actions.

:31:30. > :31:37.Nobody will ever know that. But he was warned about future terrorist

:31:38. > :31:41.activities. You do not know how the future would have panned out if he

:31:42. > :31:45.had made different decisions at that time. Do you accept that one of the

:31:46. > :31:49.things he said yesterday's was that he was pleading with people to put

:31:50. > :31:55.themselves in his position, in his shoes, as he put it. He was

:31:56. > :32:04.thinking, there could be a 9/11 in Britain. Do you accept that? Yes,

:32:05. > :32:10.and we did have the London bombings. But he is the Prime Minister of the

:32:11. > :32:14.country, he should be the person who listens to the Cabinet and makes

:32:15. > :32:19.sure that everything is correct. You just can't go doing what he did,

:32:20. > :32:22.sending soldiers into the war, and the implications of killing

:32:23. > :32:28.thousands of people and destroying Iraq, just because he thought it was

:32:29. > :32:32.right. He needs to get everything right. He should have got the

:32:33. > :32:36.intelligence right and everything. And obviously, the report is really

:32:37. > :32:41.damning against Tony Blair. Can I ask you, Debbie, what you want now,

:32:42. > :32:45.finally? At the moment I think it is too soon to know what exactly I

:32:46. > :32:50.want. I want some kind of accountability. I feel better in

:32:51. > :32:56.myself now that it has come in our favour. And that the world knows

:32:57. > :33:02.that what we have been saying for the last 13 years is actually true.

:33:03. > :33:07.But I think the next steps is obviously maybe the families get

:33:08. > :33:14.together, and I think we do need to be a united front, and maybe it will

:33:15. > :33:17.be a legal battle. But what I do know is that this should never have

:33:18. > :33:22.happened and it can never happen again. Peter, what do you want next,

:33:23. > :33:27.if anything? I would back up what has just been said. We obviously

:33:28. > :33:35.need to read the report properly. And then my hope would be that Tony

:33:36. > :33:38.Blair is put in front of a judge. The Chilcot Inquiry was full and

:33:39. > :33:43.frank and everything else, but it was not legal. Do you mean put in

:33:44. > :33:46.front of a judge, charged with a criminal offence, like misconduct in

:33:47. > :33:51.public office, which has been suggested by one former director of

:33:52. > :33:58.the security is? Well, I think that is a possibility. -- former director

:33:59. > :34:01.of public prosecutions. For 13 years, we have wanted to see Tony

:34:02. > :34:07.Blair answering for what he did. And for me, that would be answering in a

:34:08. > :34:12.court. I have actually done this for 13 years, and I'm hoping now that

:34:13. > :34:18.Tony Blair will stand in court and I can go home and say to my wife, I

:34:19. > :34:22.have done everything I can now. If he's not guilty, I will accept that.

:34:23. > :34:28.I will not believe it but I will accept it. And that's it, we've done

:34:29. > :34:31.what we needed to do. And as Debbie also said, we've got to make sure

:34:32. > :34:39.that what happened can never, ever happen again. Iain, what do you want

:34:40. > :34:43.now, if anything? I just hope that something positive comes from this.

:34:44. > :34:49.That when decisions are made in the future to go to war, that it's

:34:50. > :34:53.properly planned, that it's based on robust intelligence, that it can't

:34:54. > :34:56.just be people sitting in rooms, some of them not elected, just

:34:57. > :35:03.appointed people, just making decisions to send people off to a

:35:04. > :35:07.foreign land to fight in a conflict, not even asking questions - did they

:35:08. > :35:10.have the kit ready to do it? And then when things happen on the

:35:11. > :35:15.ground, they are just failing to react. I heard yesterday about

:35:16. > :35:19.something in the report suggesting that in terms of the armoured

:35:20. > :35:22.vehicles, the Ministry of Defence didn't order the armoured vehicles

:35:23. > :35:27.because they were waiting for a new model to arrive. Whether that was

:35:28. > :35:31.just to save money, I don't know, but if that is the kind of

:35:32. > :35:37.decision-making process, with people losing their lives... It is

:35:38. > :35:41.unbelievable. Surely you have to have more robust processes put in

:35:42. > :35:43.place. Better planning, better resources, and better

:35:44. > :35:49.decision-making in the future, is what I hope for. Thank you all of

:35:50. > :35:55.you very much. These are some of your messages. This one says JoCo I

:35:56. > :36:01.cannot help but feel slightly sorry for Tony Blair. I cannot stand him,

:36:02. > :36:07.but he's obviously an intelligent guy. You are raising your eyebrows

:36:08. > :36:11.at that, Peter. He happened to be involved with consummate moron, in

:36:12. > :36:14.the shape of George W Bush. This one says, I am appalled by the

:36:15. > :36:18.vilification of Tony Blair. I believe him to be honest and sincere

:36:19. > :36:24.politician who led this country at a time of crisis. This one says JoCo

:36:25. > :36:31.it is the Iraqi people who are also the victims. British soldiers chose

:36:32. > :36:35.to invade Iraq and also Afghanistan. This one says, you know he is white

:36:36. > :36:36.when he says the issue is the lack of democracy in the Middle East.

:36:37. > :36:54.Keep those coming in. So to come... Comedian Omid Djalili,

:36:55. > :36:58.has made a film about the Stop The War protests,

:36:59. > :37:02.and he will be in the studio. And it's the end of the road

:37:03. > :37:05.for Wales at Euro 2016 - We'll speak to some of their fans

:37:06. > :37:15.who hopped on board. The former Prime Minister Tony Blair

:37:16. > :37:22.has again defended his decision Yesterday, the Chilcot report

:37:23. > :37:29.delivered scathing criticism of the planning, conduct

:37:30. > :37:33.and aftermath of the war. Senior figures involved

:37:34. > :37:36.in the decision to take Britain to war in Iraq have responded

:37:37. > :37:39.to the inquiry by suggesting it underplayed the role

:37:40. > :37:41.of the United States in pushing Mr Blair told the BBC this morning

:37:42. > :37:46.that he'd tried to persuade the US If they go back to

:37:47. > :37:53.the United Nations and get a resolution there, that

:37:54. > :37:55.of course postpones military action, which was my purpose,

:37:56. > :37:59.and gives us a chance You will find elsewhere in

:38:00. > :38:06.the evidence that after the November resolution was passed,

:38:07. > :38:09.there was a conversation where President Bush accepted

:38:10. > :38:11.explicitly that if there was compliance with 1441,

:38:12. > :38:15.there would not be military action. So, I understand exactly

:38:16. > :38:18.what you're saying. You can take these phrases

:38:19. > :38:20.and debate what they mean. But I can assure you,

:38:21. > :38:25.what I meant was very, very clear, and was clear

:38:26. > :38:28.to the Americans - I am right alongside you in dealing with this,

:38:29. > :38:31.but it has to be done the right way. It has to be done through

:38:32. > :38:39.the United Nations. party leader and Prime Minister.

:38:40. > :38:46.on who they want to be the next There are three candidates

:38:47. > :38:48.left in the race. In the first vote the Home Secretary

:38:49. > :38:51.Theresa May finished well ahead, followed by Andrea Leadsom

:38:52. > :38:53.and Michael Gove. The final two with the most votes

:38:54. > :38:56.will then have to win the support of 150,000 Conservative

:38:57. > :38:57.party members. The result is due on September

:38:58. > :39:00.9th, but some MPs want Thousands of people have taken part

:39:01. > :39:11.in a vigil in the American state of Louisiana, where a black man

:39:12. > :39:14.was shot dead by two white police Video footage has been published

:39:15. > :39:18.online appearing to show 37-year- old Alton Sterling being held down

:39:19. > :39:21.and shot, outside a convenience There's been another shooting

:39:22. > :39:28.in America in which a black man has been shot dead by police

:39:29. > :39:30.in confused circumstances. The latest incident took

:39:31. > :39:43.place in Minnesota. The local Police Department said the

:39:44. > :39:49.man was wounded in an officer involved shooting but that he died

:39:50. > :39:55.later in hospital. Two children have died after the car they were

:39:56. > :39:59.travelling in crashed into a loch in Argyll. Police Scotland have

:40:00. > :40:05.appealed for further information. MPs have expressed significant

:40:06. > :40:07.concerns about the government's preferred candidate for the next

:40:08. > :40:09.head of the schools regulator, The Education Select

:40:10. > :40:12.Committee has questioned Amanda Spielman's passion

:40:13. > :40:13.for the job, and understanding But the Education Secretary, Nicky

:40:14. > :40:19.Morgan, says Ms Spielman remains She is currently chairperson

:40:20. > :40:26.of the exams regulator. Sir Michael Wilshaw steps down

:40:27. > :40:44.as head of Ofsted at the That is a summary of the news. Time

:40:45. > :40:49.for the sport, with's, in Lyon. Good morning, and here are your sports

:40:50. > :40:54.headlines this morning. Wales fans have been praising their team's

:40:55. > :40:59.performance here at the Euros. They were knocked out by Portugal last

:41:00. > :41:06.night in the semifinal. Andy Murray says he had to summon up all of his

:41:07. > :41:10.M -- all of his energy to overcome Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in the

:41:11. > :41:17.quarterfinal. He will play Tomas Berdych in the semis tomorrow. And

:41:18. > :41:21.in the Tour de France, the Belgian cyclist has taken a big lead.

:41:22. > :41:26.Defending champion Chris Froome is more than five minutes behind. More

:41:27. > :41:36.sport coming up in half an hour. We're just hours away

:41:37. > :41:38.from finding out which two Tory MPs will battle it out

:41:39. > :41:41.to become our next Prime Minister. Conservative politicians are voting

:41:42. > :41:42.now between Theresa May, the Home Secretary,

:41:43. > :41:44.the Justice Secretary Michael Gove and the Energy Minister Andrea

:41:45. > :41:46.Leadsom. The two with the highest

:41:47. > :41:48.number of votes will be Andrea Leadsom is launching her

:41:49. > :42:07.campaign to be Prime Minister She is outlining her ideas for

:42:08. > :42:19.Brexit. I truly believe we can be the greatest nation on earth.

:42:20. > :42:26.As we show that the UK is once again open to the world and united in our

:42:27. > :42:30.new destiny, so we will expand our horizons. Prosperity should be our

:42:31. > :42:45.goal, not austerity. I want to spread prosperity to every

:42:46. > :42:51.corner of our country. I want to help create more jobs, because we

:42:52. > :42:56.need to hear and to heed those millions of our fellow citizens who

:42:57. > :42:58.feel and fear that their country's leaders are not worrying about them

:42:59. > :43:16.enough. Those people who think that chief

:43:17. > :43:18.executives of some big businesses get telephone number salaries which

:43:19. > :43:28.bear no relation to the performance of their companies. And I say to all

:43:29. > :43:31.of those people - I am with you, and I want you to share in the great

:43:32. > :43:45.future for this country. I want to see better training,

:43:46. > :43:51.smarter working, yes, and higher pay for the many. I want to lead a

:43:52. > :44:05.nation where anyone who aims high can achieve their dreams. My first

:44:06. > :44:09.task is to show how great our potential is as a nation. Let's

:44:10. > :44:23.banish the pessimists! Mark Kane, the Bank of England

:44:24. > :44:30.governor, was exactly right last week when he said, and I quote, the

:44:31. > :44:34.UK can handle change. It has one of the most flexible economies in the

:44:35. > :44:38.world, and benefits from a deep reservoir of human capital,

:44:39. > :44:42.world-class infrastructure and the rule of law. Its people are admired

:44:43. > :44:50.the world over for their strength under adversity. The question is not

:44:51. > :44:55.whether the UK will adjust, but rather how quickly and how well. He

:44:56. > :45:01.goes onto say that a clear plan is needed. Is absolutely right. So

:45:02. > :45:07.today, I want to speak to the markets as well as to the nation -

:45:08. > :45:11.no-one needs to fear our decision to leave the EU.

:45:12. > :45:33.We will do so carefully, reassuring our European friends and those

:45:34. > :45:42.businesses who are worrying about change chief. Trade must be the top

:45:43. > :45:45.priority. Continued, tariff free trade with the EU. Continued free

:45:46. > :45:52.trade with those countries we have agreements with is a current member

:45:53. > :45:56.of the EU. And vitally, seizing the opportunities to take up new

:45:57. > :46:02.free-trade agreements with fast-growing economies around the

:46:03. > :46:05.world. Andrea Leadsom, one of the Tory leadership candidates, setting

:46:06. > :46:10.out her views on the British economy and the future, setting out her

:46:11. > :46:14.views on a post-Brexit Britain as well. Norman Smith, our political

:46:15. > :46:17.guru, is listening to that speech. He will be with us in the next

:46:18. > :46:24.half-hour to fill us in on what else she says. By the end of today, there

:46:25. > :46:30.will be just two Tory leadership and that is left. It is between Andrea

:46:31. > :46:33.Leadsom, Michael Gove, the Justice Secretary and Theresa May, the Home

:46:34. > :46:36.Secretary. Thank you for your comments on the Chilcot report. Phil

:46:37. > :46:41.says, what gives Tony Blair the right to believe we can interfere in

:46:42. > :46:46.the affairs of another country? How would we like it? On Twitter, the

:46:47. > :46:50.reluctant guru says saying sorry is not enough. Time for Tony Blair to

:46:51. > :46:56.be made accountable for his reckless decisions. Angelina Socci, how do we

:46:57. > :47:01.punish America? They lead us into a war that was not necessary. Because

:47:02. > :47:04.of them, we lost a hell of a lot of lives. How do we make Bush

:47:05. > :47:26.accountable for the lives we lost? Keep those coming in.

:47:27. > :48:00.In a moment, we will bring you unverified video.

:48:01. > :48:15.He was reaching for his wallet and the officer shot him. He just shot

:48:16. > :48:24.his arm of. I told him not to reach for it! Yellow Mesut Ozil and to get

:48:25. > :48:28.his idea. This incident comes after widespread protests following the

:48:29. > :48:31.death of this man. Alton Sterling was a father of five who was shot

:48:32. > :48:37.dead by police officers in Baton Rouge in Louisiana. Police were

:48:38. > :48:40.called after reports of a man threatening people. The images you

:48:41. > :48:44.are about to see are distressing. If you have children in the room, you

:48:45. > :48:49.will probably not want them to see this. The man in red is Mr Stirling.

:48:50. > :48:57.The two white officers tackle him and hold him down before you hear

:48:58. > :49:06.one shop, he's got a gun. He's got a gun! Mr Stirling died from multiple

:49:07. > :49:10.gunshot wounds to his chest and back. The US justice department has

:49:11. > :49:12.now launched an -- an investigation. His widow has been speaking to

:49:13. > :49:25.reporters. They took away a man with children,

:49:26. > :49:34.who depended upon their daddy on a daily basis. My son is not the

:49:35. > :49:44.youngest, he is the oldest of his siblings. He is 15 years old. He had

:49:45. > :50:09.to watch as this was put all over the outlets.

:50:10. > :50:21.The US justice department has opened an investigation into his death.

:50:22. > :50:23.Let's take a look at the figures. Last year, 1152 people were killed

:50:24. > :50:37.by the police in the United States. 30% - or three in 10 -

:50:38. > :50:40.of those killed were black. That's a much higher proportion

:50:41. > :50:43.of black people than in the US And in 97% of those cases last year,

:50:44. > :50:48.no police officer has been charged. So what is known about

:50:49. > :50:50.Baton Rouge in Louisiana? Our reporter Benjamin Zand has

:50:51. > :51:13.visited the city's most When I first got to Baton Rouge,

:51:14. > :51:22.people were telling me this was the worst neighbourhood in town. It has

:51:23. > :51:25.some of the highest homicide rates and HIV rates not only here but in

:51:26. > :51:29.the country as a whole. My neighbour actually got shot last year. But

:51:30. > :51:33.everywhere has good people, and I want to ask some of the people who

:51:34. > :51:40.live here, how would they change America if they had the chance and

:51:41. > :51:44.in the famous words of a gentleman who got beat in California, I want

:51:45. > :51:50.to know why we can't get along. Everybody hates one another. I don't

:51:51. > :51:54.know why, I can't understand. We say we are the United States of America,

:51:55. > :51:57.but we are actually not united. You can look at the Democrats and

:51:58. > :52:01.Republicans, they are not united at all. Put back into the schools, the

:52:02. > :52:13.courthouse. I do an application

:52:14. > :52:19.five times and get no response, even though you called

:52:20. > :52:21.to check on the application. I have bills to pay,

:52:22. > :52:24.and you have money and I can't be where you

:52:25. > :52:27.and your family will be. All I am thinking about is,

:52:28. > :52:31.my sister's hungry, all my bills

:52:32. > :52:33.need to be paid. Here's another one

:52:34. > :52:38.from when I got shot. It is violent - these

:52:39. > :52:48.were two separate incidents. I say racism, because I think racism

:52:49. > :52:51.is something they don't People don't want

:52:52. > :52:56.to open up about it. Everyone has to be able to rise

:52:57. > :52:59.to an income threshold that allows You just have to help people to tap

:53:00. > :53:06.into what those are. You need resources to go not only

:53:07. > :53:09.towards improving the education system, but it also needs

:53:10. > :53:11.to go into improving If you go to school around here,

:53:12. > :53:36.and live around here, As you know, the Wales adventure at

:53:37. > :53:40.Euro 2016 is over after they were beaten by Portugal in the semifinal.

:53:41. > :53:50.We can speak to some fans who were at the game and some who watched it

:53:51. > :53:56.back home. Welcome, all of you. " How are you feeling this morning?

:53:57. > :54:05.Very tired, I have just got back from Lyon. So you were there! I

:54:06. > :54:10.landed at about four o'clock this morning and I had to come to work at

:54:11. > :54:15.about eight o'clock. So, quite tired! Work are all right about you

:54:16. > :54:20.talking to us? Fantastic, yes. They have given me a couple of minutes! .

:54:21. > :54:26.What did you think of Wales' performance last night?

:54:27. > :54:39.It has been amazing. It was just outstanding. I have heard some Wales

:54:40. > :54:44.fans saying they were not sure the team really turned up last night,

:54:45. > :54:49.particularly in the second half. It was difficult. We were missing some

:54:50. > :54:57.key players. But to be in the semifinals was amazing, and the boys

:54:58. > :55:05.did proud. What are your reflections on this amazing adventure? My heart

:55:06. > :55:17.was beating. It is taking a bit of time to sink in. It has been an

:55:18. > :55:27.incredible experience. The team has done the whole country

:55:28. > :55:30.proud. Not only with the way they have played, but the way they have

:55:31. > :55:37.acquitted themselves off the field as well. They have shown the rest of

:55:38. > :55:41.Europe what Wales is about. I wonder if you are looking ahead with relish

:55:42. > :55:48.to the qualifying for the next World Cup, which starts in two months'

:55:49. > :55:53.time? Exactly. This is not the end of a journey, it is the start. We

:55:54. > :55:59.have another chapter to come. Now I definitely look forward to the

:56:00. > :56:02.quarterfinals. We can look forward with confidence. It's another

:56:03. > :56:07.challenge for a team, getting to a World Cup rather than a European

:56:08. > :56:13.Championship. Rob, what are you thinking this morning? Well, I was

:56:14. > :56:18.toasting the victory with champagne, but I am now here with a cup of tea.

:56:19. > :56:23.I don't think we can feel down. I think what has happened over the

:56:24. > :56:29.last month will get better as we look back on it. There was a great

:56:30. > :56:36.phrase used yesterday, saying, this must not be a legacy, this must be a

:56:37. > :56:42.catalyst. We are now down to earth with a bump. We play Montenegro in

:56:43. > :56:46.the next World Cup qualifier. But they have just represented a whole

:56:47. > :56:49.nation. They have sold Wales across the world. People have fallen in

:56:50. > :56:56.love with Wales. Cymru is cool again. Everyone knows where it is.

:56:57. > :57:01.Last March, I was at the Millennium Stadium with my kids and it was a

:57:02. > :57:13.great crowd moment. I will never forget it. I have my heroes. I was

:57:14. > :57:19.saying to my eight-year-old boy, there were the Gareth Bale of his

:57:20. > :57:26.era. They have brought dance of the past back into real context. That is

:57:27. > :57:33.a fantastic way to describe it. I take my hat off to you for the way

:57:34. > :57:36.you have articulated that. They have also shown to smaller nations like

:57:37. > :57:43.England what you can do at a football tournament. This transcends

:57:44. > :57:49.sport. It means a nation can dare to dream on any level. It is about good

:57:50. > :57:54.preparation. I was at the high school where Gareth Bale went to

:57:55. > :58:00.school the other day. There were 12 or 15 different news organisations

:58:01. > :58:05.or wanting to learn about Gareth. But as his old headmaster and PE

:58:06. > :58:09.teacher said, we are proud of every pupil here, and Gareth is a role

:58:10. > :58:13.model to everyone who is here now and every pupil in the future. You

:58:14. > :58:22.can strive to be the best you can be. That is what I can say to my

:58:23. > :58:24.kids with pride now. From the First Minister Carwyn Jones down to

:58:25. > :58:28.everyone in the country, we take this moment and wrap it up in

:58:29. > :58:34.ourselves and stride forward with more confidence as a people and

:58:35. > :58:39.nation. Quick word about Gareth Bale? Oh, we have just lost him.

:58:40. > :58:44.Karen, a quick word about Gareth Bale. How would you describe the way

:58:45. > :58:50.he has been through this tournament? He has been one of the catalysts of

:58:51. > :58:58.motivation for the boys. That has brought the team together stronger.

:58:59. > :59:10.It is just an amazing group of guys. Thank you, all of you.

:59:11. > :59:18.Time for the weather. There is nothing simple about the weather at

:59:19. > :59:25.the moment, all pretty complicated. It is sunny for some and cloudy for

:59:26. > :59:31.others. It is going to be a bit dull and damp across most of Wales for

:59:32. > :59:34.the rest of today, about bricks of drizzle here and there. Some

:59:35. > :59:40.sunshine in the south-east. There should be plenty of play at

:59:41. > :59:44.Wimbledon today. Sunny spells in Northern Ireland. Lots of showers in

:59:45. > :59:49.the Highlands and Western Isles. If you have the sunshine, temperatures

:59:50. > :00:00.in the high teens and low 20s. Where it is great, just 16 or 17. -- where

:00:01. > :00:06.it is grey. It is going to be a one night again, temperatures remaining

:00:07. > :00:18.in the team's -- a warm night. Friday is also completed. Heading up

:00:19. > :00:24.into the North Sea, the weather front will provide a few showers

:00:25. > :00:25.across the far south. As for the weekend, it gets very competitive.

:00:26. > :00:31.More I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

:00:32. > :00:36.welcome to the programme 24 hours on from

:00:37. > :00:50.the Chilcot's damning report, Tony Blair has again

:00:51. > :00:52.defended his decision to lead Britain into the Iraq War,

:00:53. > :00:54.while relatives of soldiers and those who served in action have

:00:55. > :01:00.given us their verdicts. What is true, and I

:01:01. > :01:02.completely accept it, is that we were giving

:01:03. > :01:05.the United States a very clear commit went that we were a goal

:01:06. > :01:07.of the alongside them How we dealt with it

:01:08. > :01:13.is another matter. I am now convinced that he actually

:01:14. > :01:18.believes what he is saying. This isn't a spin, or trying to cover his

:01:19. > :01:26.back, he actually believes what he is saying. He is delusional. I think

:01:27. > :01:30.when he is suggesting these sorts of things, that enough was not done, he

:01:31. > :01:36.is saying that Tony Blair perhaps chose not to look the intelligence,

:01:37. > :01:37.because he was building a case for a project that he had committed to the

:01:38. > :01:42.year before. We'll take a look at what lessons

:01:43. > :01:45.can be learnt for future governments A shortage of nurses

:01:46. > :01:48.in England and Wales - how will the NHS cope,

:01:49. > :01:52.when the existing problem will be compounded with one in three nurses

:01:53. > :01:57.due for retirement over the next decade,

:01:58. > :01:59.say researchers? And disappointed but proud -

:02:00. > :02:03.Wales fans reflect on their team's semifinal defeat to Cristiano

:02:04. > :02:07.Ronaldo's Portugal at Euro 2016 - in their most successful

:02:08. > :02:20.ever football tournament. Yes, Wales can leave this tournament

:02:21. > :02:26.with their heads held high - they will go home tomorrow to hero's

:02:27. > :02:33.welcome, and parties in the streets across Wales.

:02:34. > :02:38.Any more cliches welcome on this programme!

:02:39. > :02:50.A 32-year-old taxi driver from Bradford in West Yorkshire has

:02:51. > :02:57.pleaded guilty at the High Court in Glasgow to the murder of shopkeeper

:02:58. > :02:59.Hassan Shah in March this year. The 40-year-old was killed just hours

:03:00. > :03:07.after he posted an Easter message on Facebook to his customers, which

:03:08. > :03:11.wed, happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation.

:03:12. > :03:15.The former Prime Minister Tony Blair has again sought to defend his

:03:16. > :03:17.decision to lead Britain into the Iraq War.

:03:18. > :03:19.Yesterday, the Chilcot report was profoundly critical

:03:20. > :03:22.of the war's planning, conduct and aftermath.

:03:23. > :03:25.Senior figures involved have responded by suggesting the inquiry

:03:26. > :03:27.underplayed the role of the US, in pushing for military

:03:28. > :03:32.Mr Blair told the BBC this morning that he'd tried to persuade the US

:03:33. > :03:37.If they go back to the United Nations and

:03:38. > :03:39.get a resolution there, that of course postpones military action,

:03:40. > :03:41.which was my purpose, and gives us a chance

:03:42. > :03:48.You will find elsewhere in the evidence that after the November

:03:49. > :03:51.resolution was passed, there was a conversation

:03:52. > :03:53.where President Bush accepted explicitly that if there

:03:54. > :03:57.was compliance with 1441, there would not be military action.

:03:58. > :04:00.So, I understand exactly what you're saying.

:04:01. > :04:03.You can take these phrases and debate what they mean.

:04:04. > :04:05.But I can assure you, what I meant was very,

:04:06. > :04:08.very clear, and was clear to the Americans - I am right

:04:09. > :04:12.alongside you in dealing with this, but it has to be done the right way.

:04:13. > :04:15.It has to be done through the United Nations.

:04:16. > :04:17.Debi Allbutt, whose husband was killed in Iraq in March

:04:18. > :04:26.2003, said Mr Blair had failed the country.

:04:27. > :04:31.He is the Prime Minister of the country, he should be the person who

:04:32. > :04:40.listens to the Cabinet and makes sure that everything is correct.

:04:41. > :04:42.You just can't go doing what he did, sending

:04:43. > :04:45.the implications of killing thousands of people and destroying

:04:46. > :04:47.Iraq, just because he thought it was right.

:04:48. > :04:53.He should have got the intelligence right and everything.

:04:54. > :04:55.And obviously, the report is really damning against Tony Blair.

:04:56. > :04:58.Conservative MPs vote again today on who they want to be the next

:04:59. > :05:04.There are three candidates left in the race.

:05:05. > :05:06.In the first vote the Home Secretary Theresa May finished

:05:07. > :05:08.well ahead, followed by Andrea Leadsom and Michael Gove.

:05:09. > :05:11.The final two with the most votes will then have to win

:05:12. > :05:16.the support of 150,000 Conservative party members.

:05:17. > :05:19.The result is due on September 9th, but some MPs want

:05:20. > :05:23.Well, Andrea Leadsom has been setting out her views

:05:24. > :05:25.on the post-Brexit economy, she said what the country needs

:05:26. > :05:41.And I say to all of those people - I am with you, and

:05:42. > :05:44.I want you to share in the great future for this country.

:05:45. > :05:48.I want to see better training, smarter working, yes, and higher pay

:05:49. > :05:57.I want to lead a nation where anyone who aims high

:05:58. > :06:11.Thousands of people have taken part in a vigil outside a shop

:06:12. > :06:15.Two children, aged two and three, have died after the car

:06:16. > :06:17.they were travelling in crashed into a loch

:06:18. > :06:22.A 36-year-old woman was taken to hospital as a precaution

:06:23. > :06:27.MPs have expressed significant concerns about the government's

:06:28. > :06:30.preferred candidate for the next head of the schools regulator,

:06:31. > :06:32.The Education Select Committee has questioned

:06:33. > :06:34.Amanda Spielman's passion for the job, and understanding

:06:35. > :06:37.But the Education Secretary, Nicky Morgan, says Ms Spielman remains

:06:38. > :06:45.She is currently chairperson of the exams regulator, Ofqual.

:06:46. > :06:47.Sir Michael Wilshaw steps down as head of Ofsted at the

:06:48. > :07:06.Time for the sport, with Sally, in Lyon.

:07:07. > :07:10.We have had emotional roller-coaster, heads held high,

:07:11. > :07:16.epic journey, any more cliches we want to throw in about Wales? I have

:07:17. > :07:20.got many, many more to come! The streets will be lined with fans

:07:21. > :07:23.tomorrow I expect for a homecoming beyond their wildest dreams! Shall I

:07:24. > :07:31.stop or just tell you what actually happened?! Please! It has been a

:07:32. > :07:36.fantastic few weeks, just to follow Wales, even if you are not Wales

:07:37. > :07:40.fan, if you're not Welsh, to enjoy the process of them becoming this

:07:41. > :07:44.fantastic team, property unit that we have seen. When you look back

:07:45. > :07:49.through their tournament, you would have to say that that game against

:07:50. > :07:52.Belgium was their final. It was an amazing performance from that team,

:07:53. > :07:57.even Chris Coleman has said that. Last night the Portugal match felt

:07:58. > :08:08.like it was perhaps just one match to fall, as Drew Savage now reports.

:08:09. > :08:10.The Welsh strength and togetherness and passion had carried them this

:08:11. > :08:20.But it was not quite enough to take them to Paris.

:08:21. > :08:22.The players are gutted, but that will subside.

:08:23. > :08:24.They need to understand that they have done their

:08:25. > :08:27.The match had been billed as Cristiano Ronaldo versus

:08:28. > :08:39.Shortly after the break, the Portuguese struck.

:08:40. > :08:42.A great leap forward for Portugal, and just three minutes later,

:08:43. > :08:44.followed by a sucker punch from a seemingly innocuous

:08:45. > :08:48.Quick thinking from the former Manchester United man Nani,

:08:49. > :08:55.Wayne Hennessey just about kept it down to two.

:08:56. > :08:59.Without Aaron Ramsey, Gareth Bale had to try

:09:00. > :09:03.But a Welsh comeback was a long shot, even beyond his

:09:04. > :09:09.Portugal and Ronaldo are on their way to Paris.

:09:10. > :09:21.Wales' tournament of a lifetime ends in Lyon.

:09:22. > :09:27.There are lots of very proud Welsh sports men and women this morning.

:09:28. > :09:44.The rugby union captain Sam Warburton has treated... The Welsh

:09:45. > :09:57.cyclist Geraint Thomas said... And Rob Brydon said... But it was not

:09:58. > :10:01.just the football last night. I think lots of people at home were

:10:02. > :10:05.probably watching the football on one side and an epic Andy Murray

:10:06. > :10:08.match on the other, against Jo-Wilfried Tsonga. Murray said he

:10:09. > :10:16.had to summon up all of his energy to overcome Tsonga in the

:10:17. > :10:22.quarterfinal. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga had battled back from two sets down.

:10:23. > :10:28.Murray will play Berdych in the semis tomorrow. Obviously, it was a

:10:29. > :10:36.tough match. The end of the fourth set was really tough, from 0-40, in

:10:37. > :10:43.that game, to lose that set 6-4, was hard. I just tried to use all of my

:10:44. > :10:48.energy at the beginning of the fifth set to get myself up, try and get

:10:49. > :10:51.the crowd pumped up. It had been a long day for them, some long

:10:52. > :10:57.matches. Thankfully I got the early break in that fifth set. Like I

:10:58. > :11:02.said, it was quiet and sleepy here in Lyon this morning. It is quarter

:11:03. > :11:06.past 11 here, and I can tell you there are signs of life. I am

:11:07. > :11:15.starting to see Wales fans emerging. Back to you! We have had so many

:11:16. > :11:19.messages from you about the Chilcot Report. I will read a couple more

:11:20. > :11:24.now. This one says - Tony Blair cannot be blamed for everything.

:11:25. > :11:29.Disaster in Iraq would have happened without the UK. It was an

:11:30. > :11:33.American-led war, with 40 other countries. This one says - who in

:11:34. > :11:37.their right mind would send troops into battle without the right

:11:38. > :11:41.vehicles, clothing or books? This one says - I think Tony Blair should

:11:42. > :11:45.be put in front of a judge. I feel sorry for all of those who have not

:11:46. > :11:50.had justice for the love ones who died. This one says - I was in Iraq

:11:51. > :11:53.in 2003, and I'm slightly disheartened by the outcome of

:11:54. > :11:58.Chilcot. We did a lot of great things out there and changed a lot

:11:59. > :12:02.of lives. This one says - you did the right thing, Tony Blair, don't

:12:03. > :12:08.allow people to shout you down. This one says - please stop vilifying

:12:09. > :12:09.Tony Blair. He made a decision waste on the available information

:12:10. > :12:29.although I personally never voted for him.

:12:30. > :12:35.Mr Blair said his decision to go to war was the most difficult of his

:12:36. > :12:39.time as Prime Minister, but says he did so in good faith, sentiments

:12:40. > :12:42.which he has reiterated on the radio this morning. So what are the

:12:43. > :12:48.lessons for future governments when considering military action?

:12:49. > :12:52.Let's talk now to Lord West, who was head of the UK Navy

:12:53. > :12:54.during the invasion of Iraq in 2003, Ben Bradshaw,

:12:55. > :12:57.who was the Deputy Leader of the House Of Commons

:12:58. > :12:59.at the time of Tony Blair taking the country to war,

:13:00. > :13:02.Lord Butler who in 2004 chaired the review of intelligence

:13:03. > :13:04.on weapons of mass destruction, and Dr Lina Khatib,

:13:05. > :13:07.who is head of the Middle East and North Africa Programme

:13:08. > :13:09.at Chatham House, an organisation whose mission is "to help build

:13:10. > :13:12.a sustainably secure, prosperous and just world".

:13:13. > :13:21.I would like to ask you first of all how you react to the report, Lord

:13:22. > :13:24.West? I think you should be congratulated, because it is a good

:13:25. > :13:29.and thorough report. I don't know if I will ever read 2.6 million words.

:13:30. > :13:35.Just reading the summary is quite a task, which I have just finish. I

:13:36. > :13:39.think it is good. I was on Russian television yesterday, and I said

:13:40. > :13:43.thank goodness I was in a country where people were willing to release

:13:44. > :13:48.documents and produce that kind of report. I think overall I agree with

:13:49. > :13:54.most of the things in their, although I do feel, in fact I know,

:13:55. > :14:01.I was told in July 2002, that we would be invading Iraq in the New

:14:02. > :14:05.Year of 2003. And I do think, because there had been agreement

:14:06. > :14:10.about regime change, that Tony Blair got himself logged in Britain there

:14:11. > :14:13.became an almost inevitability. When I was told this was going to

:14:14. > :14:19.happened, I was commander of the fleet, and I told the fleet to be

:14:20. > :14:23.ready for war in the New Year. I sailed my vessels, which take

:14:24. > :14:27.longer, to get out there. I said they were exercising, and

:14:28. > :14:33.effectively they were going out there for war. Why the time the war

:14:34. > :14:37.came, I was First Sea Lord, and I do feel there was a certain casting

:14:38. > :14:41.around, let's find an absolute excuse for this. I was quite

:14:42. > :14:45.surprised by the WMD thing, having been chief of intelligence for

:14:46. > :14:48.several years, and having been intimately involved in what the

:14:49. > :14:54.Iraqis had and the whole UN inspection regime, Desert Fox, when

:14:55. > :14:59.we fired missiles at him because he would not comply. That surprised me,

:15:00. > :15:03.and I felt it was casting around for a reason to say, let's do it. What

:15:04. > :15:07.do you think of the report and what you have been able to absorb from

:15:08. > :15:11.it? I think the report is not surprising at all. We have been

:15:12. > :15:15.living with the consequences of the 2003 invasion for the last 13 years.

:15:16. > :15:20.The report told us what we already know, which is that this war was

:15:21. > :15:26.ill-advised, ill planned and ill executed. Ben Bradshaw? I took some

:15:27. > :15:29.comfort from the report that it did not imply bad faith on behalf of

:15:30. > :15:34.those who voted for the removal of Saddam Hussein. It made quite clear

:15:35. > :15:37.there was no fabrication or misuse of intelligence, that the Cabinet

:15:38. > :15:41.was not deceived, that there was no actual prior secret deal to go to

:15:42. > :15:45.war. There are very important lessons to be learned I think about

:15:46. > :15:48.the post-conflict planning in particular. I would be really

:15:49. > :15:53.worried if the lesson we all draw from this is that we should never

:15:54. > :15:56.intervene, if you look at what is happening in Syria now. There are

:15:57. > :15:58.also terrible costs of not intervening. Lord Butler, your

:15:59. > :16:08.reaction? I was pleased to hear one of the

:16:09. > :16:12.relatives say yesterday that the report lived up to their

:16:13. > :16:15.expectations. It took a long time, but it is

:16:16. > :16:21.And I agree with Lord West. What other country would allow a complete

:16:22. > :16:27.no holds barred examination of all the decision of a war? Would France,

:16:28. > :16:33.Russia or America do it? I don't believe so. That is something the UK

:16:34. > :16:38.can be proud of. Then Bradshaw, aren't you horrified that we now

:16:39. > :16:43.know there was no imminent threat? The evidence had been visited to you

:16:44. > :16:50.with a certainty that was not justified. You would not have voted

:16:51. > :16:55.for it otherwise? I am not sure I wouldn't have. I am not one of those

:16:56. > :17:00.people who is going to use the benefit of hindsight. That is a

:17:01. > :17:02.copout. The evidence from our intelligence services and those

:17:03. > :17:07.across the developed world said the same. And we also knew that Saddam

:17:08. > :17:12.had used these weapons in the past, killing thousands of his own people,

:17:13. > :17:16.waging war on Kuwait and Iran in the recent past, and had played cat and

:17:17. > :17:23.mouse with the weapons inspectors for years. But all peaceful options

:17:24. > :17:27.had not been explored. I don't agree with that. If you look at what was

:17:28. > :17:31.going on at that time and the attempt by Tony Blair to persuade

:17:32. > :17:36.the Americans to go back to the United Nations, what we know that

:17:37. > :17:40.Rumsfeld and Cheney in the US administration had no interest in

:17:41. > :17:46.going to them... And when weapons inspectors were begging for more

:17:47. > :17:49.time? They were, but since the last report from the Iraq survey group,

:17:50. > :17:52.it shows categorically that if Saddam Hussein had been left in

:17:53. > :17:58.power, he would have redeveloped his programmes. I think that is true. We

:17:59. > :18:04.knew Saddam Hussein wanted to develop his nuclear weapons, but he

:18:05. > :18:08.didn't have any. It is generally a bad idea to invade people. You do it

:18:09. > :18:13.if anyone has really done something appalling to you. Saddam had not

:18:14. > :18:18.been attacking British people or the British nation. It is part of the

:18:19. > :18:25.reason I felt with Assad that one has to be careful with how much we

:18:26. > :18:30.hit him, for the same reason. We are there if people attack our people

:18:31. > :18:36.globally. Yes, there is a stability aspect, but that is it. I felt it

:18:37. > :18:41.was unfortunate that we were moving so fast into war. And weren't you

:18:42. > :18:44.shocked when the Chilcot report suggested that a month after 9/11,

:18:45. > :18:50.Mr Blair was saying to America, we need to get rid of Saddam? What I

:18:51. > :18:53.found difficult was there was a lot of talk about Saddam dealing with

:18:54. > :18:58.terrorists. He did not help Al-Qaeda. He was not linked to these

:18:59. > :19:02.terrorist groups. They are wrong in that. He was a dangerous man. He

:19:03. > :19:07.invaded Kuwait and was shooting at our aircraft who were flying in the

:19:08. > :19:15.no-fly zone every day he killed matters of his own people. But that

:19:16. > :19:20.is not the same thing. I would add that we have to look at the context

:19:21. > :19:28.of Iraq and Syria today, which are different from in 2003. I want to

:19:29. > :19:35.say that invasion, when it is not demanded by the people, is wrong. We

:19:36. > :19:39.should not compare the situation of Assad today in Syria with this

:19:40. > :19:44.situation of Saddam Hussein in 2003. Did you accept anything of what Mr

:19:45. > :19:50.Blair suggested they, put yourself in my shoes? It might be wrong, but

:19:51. > :19:54.you have to make a judgment. Yes, but I know that when it comes to the

:19:55. > :20:01.2003 Iraq invasion, the intelligence from the United States was not

:20:02. > :20:04.really contest it in the UK. And within the United States government,

:20:05. > :20:09.the different intelligence bureau had different takes on the

:20:10. > :20:11.intelligence about weapons of mass destruction. Not all of the

:20:12. > :20:17.intelligence bureau is within the US administration agreed that the

:20:18. > :20:22.threat was there. There was internal dissent going on, but this was

:20:23. > :20:26.overruled by the policymakers and the evidence was percentage to our

:20:27. > :20:31.Prime Minister. So of course he had to make a decision, but he could

:20:32. > :20:36.have done more. Politicians need to understand that they set a momentum

:20:37. > :20:41.going. Once you start the whole thing going, it is extremely

:20:42. > :20:48.difficult. An unstoppable train. It is very difficult. By March, it

:20:49. > :20:56.would have been quite something to have stopped that. I want to talk

:20:57. > :21:00.about lessons for governments in the future. Lord Butler, what do you

:21:01. > :21:02.draw from what you have absorbed from Chilcot regarding future

:21:03. > :21:08.governments and their decisions on military intervention? In my review,

:21:09. > :21:11.I criticised Tony Blair on two grounds. One was the way in which

:21:12. > :21:15.intelligence was used as a method of political persuasion on which I

:21:16. > :21:19.don't think it should be. The other was the fact that he didn't use the

:21:20. > :21:23.Cabinet and all the resources of government properly. These decisions

:21:24. > :21:31.do need to be challenged by colleagues and experts who have

:21:32. > :21:34.greater experience and expertise. Tony Blair kept the decision in such

:21:35. > :21:40.a small group that he didn't allow those decisions to be open to proper

:21:41. > :21:47.challenge. Why did he do that, Ben Bradshaw? Well, he denied that. He

:21:48. > :21:52.said the intelligence was shared. I am talking about the decision to go

:21:53. > :21:58.to war. The decision to go to war was taken by Parliament. If you look

:21:59. > :22:04.back parliamentary debate we had, a majority of MPs supported the

:22:05. > :22:07.decision. The 45 minute thing was not even mentioned, it was about

:22:08. > :22:17.compliance with the United Nations resolutions. People forget that

:22:18. > :22:22.Saddam Hussein... The 45 minute was mentioned. It related to the time it

:22:23. > :22:26.took to fire a gas shell. It gave the impression something could hit

:22:27. > :22:30.Britain. If you read the whole debate again, you will find that the

:22:31. > :22:35.majority of the argument for taking the action was Saddam's repeated

:22:36. > :22:39.failure for many years not to comply with mandatory United Nations

:22:40. > :22:47.resolution. No other leader in the world had been in such

:22:48. > :22:57.noncompliance. On the legal basis, it is interesting. I took separately

:22:58. > :23:03.good advice, because I want to be sure muscle does would not be caught

:23:04. > :23:09.eye. And the advice I had supported what the Attorney General said. What

:23:10. > :23:12.impact will this report have on future decisions for military

:23:13. > :23:17.intervention? We have already seen the impact of the Iraq war on the

:23:18. > :23:22.Syria vote in the House of Commons. Will this report affect foreign

:23:23. > :23:25.policy in Britain in the future? I doubt it, because ultimately, we

:23:26. > :23:29.have seen very clearly that this invasion that happened in 2003, just

:23:30. > :23:36.like the lack of intervention in Syria today, is ultimately a US

:23:37. > :23:40.decision. I think the report is too focused on the UK in a way that

:23:41. > :23:46.makes it look like we had more say in this. In the end, the US calls

:23:47. > :23:55.the shots. But Britain doesn't have to hit itself to a US decision. So I

:23:56. > :23:58.wonder if that will affect future British Prime Minister's Questions I

:23:59. > :24:05.doubt that we have the spine. I disagree. This is already having an

:24:06. > :24:09.impact. And the fact that we are closely allied to the US is good for

:24:10. > :24:14.this country. But my goodness me, we have to stand up for them. We did

:24:15. > :24:18.during the Vietnam War and would not get involved. I have a feeling that

:24:19. > :24:22.this time, we shackled ourselves to them and I have the feeling that we

:24:23. > :24:27.had said, whatever happens, we are with you for this invasion. We must

:24:28. > :24:30.not get ourselves in that position. But generally, we should be joined

:24:31. > :24:37.at the hip with American, but we have freedom of action. I agree. I

:24:38. > :24:41.think this has already had an effect, and you saw it in the debate

:24:42. > :24:46.around Syria. Clearly, the post-Iraq psychology of Britain is now to be

:24:47. > :24:50.much more reluctant. I think there is a risk that, because there are

:24:51. > :24:58.always costs of non-intervention, as we have seen in Syria. There is a

:24:59. > :25:01.terrible dilemma for politicians these days. On intervention, they

:25:02. > :25:06.are damned if they do and damned if they don't. But on that point, if

:25:07. > :25:09.you can show as a British Prime Minister that you have gone through

:25:10. > :25:16.every process, you have challenged the evidence, your cabinet has

:25:17. > :25:20.challenge you, you have done your damnedest to get everyone on the UN

:25:21. > :25:24.Security Council to support you, if you can show the British public that

:25:25. > :25:31.and the legal advice says it is all right, then you might feel more

:25:32. > :25:34.justified. They did all of that. The Blair admitted on the radio this

:25:35. > :25:40.morning that he didn't challenge the intelligence. But the idea that we

:25:41. > :25:44.didn't try to get the Security Council, that was the whole point of

:25:45. > :25:47.our strategy, to go through the United Nations. If you listen to

:25:48. > :25:51.what our ambassador at the time has said today, he doesn't agree with

:25:52. > :25:57.Chilcot's view that we undermined the US Security Council -- the UN

:25:58. > :26:02.Security Council. It was Russia and France. It wasn't Mr Blair's job to

:26:03. > :26:07.challenge the intelligence, that is the job of the intelligence experts.

:26:08. > :26:10.But he should have been careful ball about how he presented it to the

:26:11. > :26:15.public. But as Prime Minister, surely you can say to your

:26:16. > :26:19.intelligence chiefs, are you sure about this? You shouldn't have to

:26:20. > :26:22.say that. If the intelligence chiefs in a piece of intelligence to you

:26:23. > :26:27.and say you can rely on it, that is their job. But if you wanted to

:26:28. > :26:35.sleep that night, you would double-check. Who is the Prime

:26:36. > :26:38.Minister to say, I want to make an independent check of this? This goes

:26:39. > :26:43.back to my concerned that they had decided they were going to go that

:26:44. > :26:52.way. I think they grasp this with great joy. Having been involved in

:26:53. > :26:56.intelligence for years and years, I couldn't believe that that piece of

:26:57. > :27:03.intelligence was so absolutely clear. It seemed to me, this can't

:27:04. > :27:07.be right. I have read the ports and they are normally infuriating

:27:08. > :27:12.because they have some any caveats. This had no caveats. I didn't like

:27:13. > :27:17.it. I felt like people were saying, great. We can now go. Intelligence

:27:18. > :27:21.was presented as if it was uniquely worthy of belief. Actually,

:27:22. > :27:27.intelligence is uniquely worthy of scepticism. Why didn't intelligence

:27:28. > :27:32.chiefs say to Mr Blair, you are presenting this in a way that we

:27:33. > :27:38.have not delivered it to you? Because they didn't see that as

:27:39. > :27:42.their job. Oh, my gosh! Their job was to make sure the dossier

:27:43. > :27:50.presented the conclusions of the intelligence community. It was up to

:27:51. > :27:57.politicians to decide. Ultimately, it is the policymakers who decide. I

:27:58. > :28:00.know that, but intelligent people in the intelligence community could

:28:01. > :28:07.also have said, hang on a minute, not for that is what we said. They

:28:08. > :28:15.had warned the politicians. They said, the intelligence is sporadic.

:28:16. > :28:20.And yet that was not reflected. So the intelligence community could

:28:21. > :28:24.have said that. Well, if you have said it wants... To be fair to Tony

:28:25. > :28:29.Blair, sometimes you have to make decisions. That is why he was Prime

:28:30. > :28:38.Minister. I wouldn't want to be Prime Minister. There are times when

:28:39. > :28:44.there are political decisions you have to make and be clear about

:28:45. > :28:48.them. I do accept that. Thank you all very much.

:28:49. > :28:51.Still to come in the last 45 minutes of the programme, there is an NHS

:28:52. > :28:55.staffing crisis in England and Wales. A warning that even allowing

:28:56. > :28:57.more overseas nurses to work in the UK will not be enough to plug the

:28:58. > :29:03.gap in the workforce. And we will talk to major lily, the

:29:04. > :29:08.comedian turned film-maker, who will be here talk about the film he has

:29:09. > :29:17.made that looks at the stop the war process -- Omid Djalii, and his film

:29:18. > :29:24.about the stop the war protest. Now the latest news.

:29:25. > :29:27.A 32-year-old taxi driver, Tanveer Ahmed from Bradford and West

:29:28. > :29:32.Yorkshire, has pleaded guilty at the High Court in Glasgow to the murder

:29:33. > :29:36.of the shopkeeper Assad Shah in March this year. The 40-year-old was

:29:37. > :29:39.killed just hours after he posted an Easter message on Facebook to his

:29:40. > :29:45.customers which read, Good Friday and a very happy Easter, especially

:29:46. > :29:49.to my beloved Christian nation. The former Prime Minister Tony Blair

:29:50. > :29:54.has again sought to defend his decision to leave Britain -- lead

:29:55. > :29:58.Britain into the Iraq war. The Chilcot report was critical of the

:29:59. > :30:02.war's planning, conduct and aftermath. Senior figures have

:30:03. > :30:04.suggested the inquiry underplayed the role of the US in pushing for

:30:05. > :30:09.military action to told the BBC this morning that he

:30:10. > :30:18.had tried to persuade the US to go down a different route.

:30:19. > :30:20.If they go back to the United Nations and

:30:21. > :30:23.get a resolution there, that of course postpones military action,

:30:24. > :30:25.which was my purpose, and gives us a chance

:30:26. > :30:30.You will find elsewhere in the evidence that after the November

:30:31. > :30:32.resolution was passed, there was a conversation

:30:33. > :30:33.where President Bush accepted explicitly that if there

:30:34. > :30:36.was compliance with 1441, there would not be military action.

:30:37. > :30:38.So, I understand exactly what you're saying.

:30:39. > :30:42.You can take these phrases and debate what they mean.

:30:43. > :30:45.But I can assure you, what I meant was very,

:30:46. > :30:48.very clear, and was clear to the Americans - I am right

:30:49. > :30:52.alongside you in dealing with this, but it has to be done the right way.

:30:53. > :31:02.It has to be done through the United Nations.

:31:03. > :31:05.Two children, aged two and three, have died after the car

:31:06. > :31:08.they were travelling in crashed into a loch near Oban in Argyll.

:31:09. > :31:10.A 36-year-old woman was taken to hospital as a precaution

:31:11. > :31:14.Police Scotland have appealed for further information.

:31:15. > :31:15.MPs have expressed significant concerns

:31:16. > :31:20.candidate for the next head of the schools regulator,

:31:21. > :31:22.The Education Select Committee has questioned

:31:23. > :31:24.Amanda Spielman's passion for the job, and understanding

:31:25. > :31:27.But Education Secretary Nicky Morgan says Ms Spielman remains

:31:28. > :31:31.She's currently chairwoman of the exams regulator Ofqual.

:31:32. > :31:32.The current Ofsted boss, Sir Michael Wilshaw,

:31:33. > :31:47.Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock.

:31:48. > :31:53.Let's get more on that Wales defeat in Euro 2016 with

:31:54. > :32:06.For the final time, to talk about the disappointment of Wales, but the

:32:07. > :32:13.fact that they can be proud. That's really sad, for the final time! Yes,

:32:14. > :32:15.Wales were full stop. Out by Portugal in the semifinal last

:32:16. > :32:20.night. Andy Murray says he had to summon up all of his energy to

:32:21. > :32:22.overcome Jo-Wilfried Tsonga at Wimbledon in the quarterfinal

:32:23. > :32:30.yesterday's. World number plays Tomas Berdych in the semifinal

:32:31. > :32:41.tomorrow. And the Belgian cyclist Greg van Avermaet takes a big lead

:32:42. > :32:47.in the Tour de France. So, for the last time, that is all the sport

:32:48. > :32:48.from me, in France. Thank you so much. Really enjoyed your stuff from

:32:49. > :32:53.over there. Well, Andrea Leadsom has been

:32:54. > :32:56.setting out her views on the post-Brexit economy,

:32:57. > :32:58.she said what the country needs And I say to all of those people -

:32:59. > :33:11.I am with you, and I want you to share in the great

:33:12. > :33:15.future for this country. I want to see better training,

:33:16. > :33:21.smarter working, yes, and higher pay I want to lead a nation

:33:22. > :33:25.where anyone who aims high Our political guru Norman Smith

:33:26. > :33:43.is in Westminster, where Andrea Leadsom

:33:44. > :33:54.is launching her campaign What else has she had to say? I

:33:55. > :33:58.think she sees herself as the sunny side up candidate, don't worry about

:33:59. > :34:02.it, guys, life is going to carry on, we are the fifth biggest economy,

:34:03. > :34:07.people will still want to trade with us. GDP, she predict it, would keep

:34:08. > :34:11.on going up. Time to end austerity, talk about prosperity. Trying to put

:34:12. > :34:16.an up the message on the aftermath of the referendum. In terms of

:34:17. > :34:21.nitty-gritty, I have to say, we got pretty much nothing. The only things

:34:22. > :34:26.we got were, she reaffirmed her commitment to say to EU migrants,

:34:27. > :34:31.you're OK, you can stay, contrasting with what Theresa May has said. And

:34:32. > :34:35.saying to farmers, don't worry, you will still get the same amount of

:34:36. > :34:39.money as you get through the common Agricultural Policy. I think the

:34:40. > :34:42.difficulty with it was this. She is by and large and unknown. Most

:34:43. > :34:48.people do not know much about her at all. If this was her presenting who

:34:49. > :34:53.she wasn't she was about, then, crikey, it was a bit of a short

:34:54. > :34:57.presentation. We only got about 4.5 minutes and there were no questions

:34:58. > :35:02.or anything. So if you want to set out your vision and tell the public

:35:03. > :35:07.what you're about, it struck me as a bit of a missed opportunity. That's

:35:08. > :35:13.interesting. So, what next in this Tory leadership and British Prime

:35:14. > :35:16.Minister race? Well, I mean, I'm thinking she probably will go

:35:17. > :35:19.through to the final briefs, which will be decided tonight. And then

:35:20. > :35:25.you will have a ballot of party members. The reason I say that is

:35:26. > :35:28.their seems to be a real stop Andrea Leadsom campaign building up. There

:35:29. > :35:35.has been stuff floating around about her CV, suggestions that she has got

:35:36. > :35:39.ties to Ukip, she has been hammered for not publishing her tax returns.

:35:40. > :35:44.But above all come last night, we actually got proof that there are

:35:45. > :35:47.moves to try and get some of Theresa May's many, many supporters to vote

:35:48. > :35:53.for Michael Gove, to make sure that Andrea Leadsom does not get onto the

:35:54. > :35:59.final ballot. That is being done not by Theresa May supporters, but by

:36:00. > :36:03.Michael Gove's, who has texted about a dozen of his pals last night, who

:36:04. > :36:10.were voting for Theresa May, to say, please don't vote for Andrea

:36:11. > :36:13.Leadsom, because if it goes to a vote of party members, she could

:36:14. > :36:17.win, just like Iain Duncan Smith did. So there is lots of party

:36:18. > :36:22.tricks going on. Norman Smith, thank you.

:36:23. > :36:24.There's a shortage of nurses in the NHS in England and Wales

:36:25. > :36:27.according to a report published in the last few minutes.

:36:28. > :36:30.On top of that, the Institute for Employment Studies says 1 in 3

:36:31. > :36:33.nurses are set to retire in the next 10 years, causing

:36:34. > :36:37.Today's research also shows the NHS is heavily reliant on nurses from EU

:36:38. > :36:38.countries like Spain, Portugal and Ireland.

:36:39. > :36:41.Here alongside me is the Chief Executive of the Royal College

:36:42. > :36:43.of Nursing, Janet Davies, and in Southampton is Jane Ball,

:36:44. > :36:46.who is a former nurse and now researcher specialising in NHS

:36:47. > :36:54.staffing at the University of Southampton.

:36:55. > :37:01.Welcome to the programme. How short are we of nurses? We know we are

:37:02. > :37:06.significantly short. Our estimate was about 20,000 nurses at our last

:37:07. > :37:12.count, short of nurses, across the country. Wow! Out of how many nurses

:37:13. > :37:17.in total? Thousands of nurses. But it is significant in many areas, and

:37:18. > :37:21.we know that it is across the country, it is no longer in pockets.

:37:22. > :37:25.This report shows that it is common in England and Wales, it is not just

:37:26. > :37:31.specifics like London, which we know always has a problem. But we need

:37:32. > :37:36.another 20,000 nurses to be up to capacity? Yes, for safe staffing

:37:37. > :37:41.levels. And this is in all levels, not just in the hospitals, it is

:37:42. > :37:44.community settings, nursing homes, everywhere where nursing care is

:37:45. > :37:49.provided. Jane, is it as bad as that? Yes, I would say it is. The

:37:50. > :37:55.last count of vacancies suggested that something like one in ten

:37:56. > :37:58.nursing posts are vacant. So we are running 10% below the capacity that

:37:59. > :38:05.we should have. Janet, why are we short? There is a number of reasons.

:38:06. > :38:08.Firstly there has been a failure to plan for the number of nurses we

:38:09. > :38:13.need with the ageing workforce across all sectors of health care.

:38:14. > :38:18.Nurses can work in hospitals, communities, the independent set and

:38:19. > :38:22.in an increasing number of nursing homes. Also there has been some very

:38:23. > :38:26.short-term decisions made in the past. When they have been short of

:38:27. > :38:31.money, trying to balance the books, organisations have not only cut the

:38:32. > :38:35.number of posts to a dangerous level, but also reduce the number of

:38:36. > :38:39.commissions for nurse training places, fearing that they will not

:38:40. > :38:42.need them in the future, when of course, three years later, we are

:38:43. > :38:46.finding ourselves short of nurses. So that failure to see the

:38:47. > :38:50.long-term. What are the barriers to people training as a nurse and

:38:51. > :38:56.qualifying? I think that is the sad thing, actually. There is plenty of

:38:57. > :39:00.appetite out there for people to become nurses and in fact we turn

:39:01. > :39:03.away 30,000 people each year, because the demand to go into

:39:04. > :39:08.nursing far outstrips our ability and the funding we have to actually

:39:09. > :39:13.trying people. So there's lots of opportunity to get into nursing and

:39:14. > :39:17.lots of desire, but we have not been funding enough. We know we need more

:39:18. > :39:20.but we have not commissioned enough nursing places to meet that need.

:39:21. > :39:25.Would you agree with that? Absolutely, yes. . What about the

:39:26. > :39:29.fact that so many are going to retire in the next ten years? What

:39:30. > :39:32.about the fact that we voted to leave the EU, will that have an

:39:33. > :39:37.impact on nurses coming from the rest of Europe? Absolutely, it might

:39:38. > :39:43.do. It might do? We don't know yet what is going to happen post-Brexit.

:39:44. > :39:46.But obviously if we have not got freedom of movement and we are not

:39:47. > :39:50.able to bring nurses in, as quickly as we can across Europe, because we

:39:51. > :39:55.have mutual recognition of qualifications across Europe, then

:39:56. > :40:00.it will affect it. But obviously we do not know if that will be the case

:40:01. > :40:05.yet. One in three due to retire in the next ten years, plus the vote to

:40:06. > :40:09.leave the EU- what impact will it have, do you think? I I think the

:40:10. > :40:14.combination of these things is all pointing to a bad situation getting

:40:15. > :40:21.worse. So we know we have not got in -- enough nurses now, and that can

:40:22. > :40:25.only get more difficult, unless we start increasing the number of

:40:26. > :40:30.registered nurses that we train ourselves. Using international

:40:31. > :40:35.recruits has been a quick fix, but it's not a solution. With 83% of the

:40:36. > :40:40.nurses coming in coming from EU countries, we can't carry on

:40:41. > :40:43.thinking that this is a cost-effective way of solving our

:40:44. > :40:55.problems. Thank you both of much, both of you. Still to come, it was a

:40:56. > :40:59.game too far. That's what Chris Coleman said last night, as Wales

:41:00. > :41:05.bowed out what Euro 2016. We will speak to more of their fans.

:41:06. > :41:08.On February 15th, 2003, 30 million people gathered in 800

:41:09. > :41:11.cities around the world to protest against the impending Iraq War.

:41:12. > :41:14.Most of us will remember the scenes - streets packed with people

:41:15. > :41:17.of all ages, nationalities and a few famous faces.

:41:18. > :41:20.To this day, the Stop The War protests still remain

:41:21. > :41:26.the largest recorded mass protest in our history.

:41:27. > :41:33.But despite the public outcry, the war still went ahead.

:41:34. > :41:37.Omid Djalili, the comedian and actor, was so moved by what happened

:41:38. > :41:41.that day he made a film about it called We Are Many.

:41:42. > :41:47.Before we speak to him, let's first take a look at a clip.

:41:48. > :41:58.Everybody in the world has a chance today to say no, absolutely no, to

:41:59. > :42:02.war on Iraq! There was this real desire, come on, Tony Blair, listen.

:42:03. > :42:10.You have to listen, you can't ignore this many people. Blair went up to

:42:11. > :42:13.Scotland to speak at the Scottish Labour Party conference. His speech

:42:14. > :42:19.is greeted with stony silence - something that never, ever happens.

:42:20. > :42:25.As you watch your TV pictures of the march, just ponder this. If there

:42:26. > :42:29.are 500,000 on the march, that is still less than the number of people

:42:30. > :42:33.whose death Saddam Hussein has been responsible for. If there are 1

:42:34. > :42:38.billion, that is still less than the number of people that died in the

:42:39. > :42:45.wars that he started. We are starting something really big, and

:42:46. > :42:51.our first task is peace in Iraq. Ridding the world of Saddam would be

:42:52. > :42:59.an act of unity. It is leaving him there that is inhumane. We must not

:43:00. > :43:01.stop until we have achieved the object of that brings as all to Hyde

:43:02. > :43:03.Park this afternoon. So why did international public

:43:04. > :43:05.outcry not make any difference And what have lessons been

:43:06. > :43:18.learnt by politicans? Welcome to the programme. Why did it

:43:19. > :43:22.not make any difference? We believe it did make a huge difference. At

:43:23. > :43:26.the time it didn't. I was one of those people who did not go on the

:43:27. > :43:29.march, I did not believe it would make any difference. Even though

:43:30. > :43:33.there were 30 million people worldwide, and we did not know that

:43:34. > :43:37.at the time, I thought 100 people could march and it would not make a

:43:38. > :43:43.single bit of difference. But the legacy of that particular much, we

:43:44. > :43:47.show in the film that really the Arab Spring was very much influenced

:43:48. > :43:51.by that, the decision not to go to war in Syria, people remembering ten

:43:52. > :43:54.years before. So actually the reason nothing happened at the time is

:43:55. > :43:58.because we all felt helpless. People thought we could do one

:43:59. > :44:01.demonstration and nothing followed up from it. That's why it fell

:44:02. > :44:05.apart. You say you were not involved, but having made the film

:44:06. > :44:10.and look at this in depth, do you think people did think that by going

:44:11. > :44:15.on the streets, it would stop the invasion of Iraq? I think they did.

:44:16. > :44:20.It is really interesting, those 30 million people, how did they know

:44:21. > :44:23.that the war was wrong, and a lot of us thought at the time, we have got

:44:24. > :44:29.to remove Saddam? I think people could feel that there had to be some

:44:30. > :44:32.kind of reaction after 9/11. People have discussed this even before -

:44:33. > :44:37.what has Saddam Hussein got to do with Al-Qaeda? There was a reaction

:44:38. > :44:44.after 9/11 - troops went into Afghanistan. The Chilcot Report

:44:45. > :44:49.seems to conclude that future wars, we need to take more care. What a

:44:50. > :44:52.paradox, we need a caring war. Like wars should be more soft and

:44:53. > :44:58.compassionate. I think people just did not want a war. I think the body

:44:59. > :45:02.of humanity is like a human body. If you stub your toe, the furthest part

:45:03. > :45:06.away from your head, you're going to want that pain to go away. Those

:45:07. > :45:09.demonstrations, it was middle England, people with pushchairs and

:45:10. > :45:14.families, they knew that there would be so much damage, people were going

:45:15. > :45:19.to die, and they didn't want that to happen. That's why they chanted, not

:45:20. > :45:23.in our name. OK, you're going to do what you want but don't do it on

:45:24. > :45:27.behalf of the people. That's why the people were so upset. The wisdom of

:45:28. > :45:30.the crowd. I don't know if you saw any of Tony Blair yesterday's or

:45:31. > :45:36.heard him on the radio this morning, but hit if it every pleaded with

:45:37. > :45:41.people to put themselves in his position as Prime Minister of a

:45:42. > :45:46.country. -- but he effectively pleaded. One year on from 9/11,

:45:47. > :45:49.looking at the intelligence, thinking, there might be a 9/11 in

:45:50. > :45:54.Britain. We all knew Saddam Hussein was dangerous, and he had to make a

:45:55. > :45:59.decision. It may have been the wrong decision, in many people's eyes, but

:46:00. > :46:06.his job was to make that decision - do you accept what he said?

:46:07. > :46:13.He did what he thought was right. It is not for me to say anything about

:46:14. > :46:17.Tony Blair, we are just film-makers. Our film is a historical document of

:46:18. > :46:22.what happened. Tony Blair has said even today, I thought we should back

:46:23. > :46:26.the Americans, but we should do it through the United Nations Security

:46:27. > :46:29.Council. In the film, there is an important moment when Lord Goldsmith

:46:30. > :46:35.has written a letter saying the invasion of Iraq cannot happen

:46:36. > :46:39.without a further Security Council consultations. And on that piece of

:46:40. > :46:43.paper, there is a scribble on the side that says, I don't understand

:46:44. > :46:48.this. And that is Tony Blair who has written it. So whatever Tony Blair

:46:49. > :46:51.thinks he is doing, it's not for me to say, but I don't think he

:46:52. > :46:57.believed the United Nations was something they had to consult with.

:46:58. > :47:00.Stephen Powell 's was on here yesterday, an international criminal

:47:01. > :47:06.lawyer, who said that if you look at international law, that war was

:47:07. > :47:10.illegal. But if you go ahead without a further Security Council

:47:11. > :47:13.resolution, you are not going with the International Criminal Court,

:47:14. > :47:21.you are not going with international law. So when Kofi and an set, --

:47:22. > :47:27.Kofi Annan said, was this an illegal war, and he said, if you wish, yes.

:47:28. > :47:32.That is why people were upset by it and they said, not in my name. Since

:47:33. > :47:37.then, we have seen all sorts of protests in this country. Not on

:47:38. > :47:41.that scale, but you could argue that perhaps decisions being taken were

:47:42. > :47:45.not as enormous as that. I wonder if the fact that so many turned out

:47:46. > :47:53.back then on February the 15th, 2003... 800,000. We had no idea of

:47:54. > :47:58.the scale of it. I did an advert with John Prescott, so I remained

:47:59. > :48:02.friends with him. He was Deputy Prime Minister. He saw the film and

:48:03. > :48:06.rang me up and said, I had no idea of the scale of it. Had we known of

:48:07. > :48:11.the sheer scale of that and that it was global, maybe we would have gone

:48:12. > :48:17.a different way. Now, you cannot ignore that many people. In the

:48:18. > :48:21.film, we are showing that there is a second superpower that is developing

:48:22. > :48:24.in the world right now. And that is global public opinion. We ignore

:48:25. > :48:31.that at our peril. Things like Twitter, an individual can make a

:48:32. > :48:35.difference. When James Foley was beheaded by what was then called

:48:36. > :48:39.Islamic State, I remember thinking, which Islamic State? And went on my

:48:40. > :48:46.mum thought, OK, these are terrorists. And I wrote a tweet

:48:47. > :48:49.saying, dear BBC, please refer to the group as a group calling

:48:50. > :48:54.themselves Islamic State, because no Islamic State would do this. It got

:48:55. > :48:59.several re-tweets and then someone said, you have done it. The BBC an

:49:00. > :49:03.now calling them the group that calls itself Islamic State. We have

:49:04. > :49:09.the power where one individual can change something. What is this

:49:10. > :49:15.relationship now between individuals and community and institutions?

:49:16. > :49:20.Before, the mass of humanity were saying, this is an illegal war, we

:49:21. > :49:25.don't want people to die, and the institutions ignored them. How can

:49:26. > :49:29.we redress that balance? Do you have a view about the next generation of

:49:30. > :49:34.protesters? They saw what happened with that protest in 2003. They

:49:35. > :49:41.happened in 800 cities around the world. Does that have an impact? It

:49:42. > :49:46.had a huge impact. When the vote went to Parliament, one of the

:49:47. > :49:54.things we show in the film, the vote over whether to invade Syria, that

:49:55. > :50:00.was in 2030. People remembered what happened in 2003 -- that was in

:50:01. > :50:04.2013. David Cameron said, I get that people do not want to take us to war

:50:05. > :50:09.and we will act accordingly. Whether that was the right decision or not,

:50:10. > :50:13.I want to say as to make is that we do not believe in total people

:50:14. > :50:16.power, because recently on who was to be a millionaire, they asked the

:50:17. > :50:21.audience on the question was, who played the lead role in the film

:50:22. > :50:25.Doctor Zhivago, and 60% said it was Linford Christie! So you don't

:50:26. > :50:31.listen to everything the public say. The crowds are not always so wise.

:50:32. > :50:34.Where can people see your film? It is in cinemas right now and will be

:50:35. > :50:37.available for digital download from the 18th of July. Thank you very

:50:38. > :50:39.much. The great Wales adventure

:50:40. > :50:41.at Euro 2016 is over after they were beaten 2-0

:50:42. > :50:43.by Portugal in the For the fans, there was of course

:50:44. > :50:47.disappointment, but a huge sense of pride in a team that defied

:50:48. > :50:50.the odds to reach the last four Let's take a look at

:50:51. > :50:56.how they got there. Ramsey, weaving through to Bale,

:50:57. > :51:20.surely this time! Bale with another

:51:21. > :51:44.wicked delivery, and it is turned into his own net

:51:45. > :51:51.by the unfortunate Gareth McAuley. That man, Gareth Bale,

:51:52. > :51:54.with a fantastic Unfortunate to get the own goal,

:51:55. > :52:02.but I'm just going to say this. Wales are in the quarterfinals

:52:03. > :52:42.of the Ashley Williams Heather. Belgium

:52:43. > :53:00.one, Wales one. What I term, what a goal! -- what a turn.

:53:01. > :53:16.In towards Vokes! Something special is happening here tonight! Wales are

:53:17. > :53:39.going into the semifinals! What a ball, what a header!

:53:40. > :53:44.If you work hard enough and you are not afraid to dream and you're not

:53:45. > :53:48.afraid to fail, everybody fails. I've had more failures than I've had

:53:49. > :53:50.success, but I'm not afraid to fail. I'm enjoying it, and I think we

:53:51. > :54:11.deserve it. Cristiano Ronaldo! It is 2-0!

:54:12. > :54:15.Disappointed, to put it lightly. But we have got to learn from it. I am

:54:16. > :54:18.very proud of the team. They couldn't have given any more. I

:54:19. > :54:22.always say to them, if you have given everything you've got and you

:54:23. > :54:25.come up short, so what? That is it. They gave what they had. It was just

:54:26. > :54:35.want to far for us tonight. I feel emotional, and I am English!

:54:36. > :54:40.Let's be to Professor Laura McAllister, chair of sport Wales, in

:54:41. > :54:44.Cardiff. And a father and son who were in Lyon, where they watched the

:54:45. > :54:50.game last night. I hope you can both hear me. How are you feeling this

:54:51. > :54:57.morning? Both feeling pretty bereft, really. Reaching the semifinals was

:54:58. > :55:03.a fantastic achievement. You have the next bit comes along and it

:55:04. > :55:07.hasn't. Despite everything those heroes have done for their country,

:55:08. > :55:10.I am feeling empty. I will get over it. There is a homecoming tomorrow

:55:11. > :55:20.and I hope that will be cathartic from my point of view. And then

:55:21. > :55:26.normal life will resume. I am a little bit disappointed, but not

:55:27. > :55:31.hugely. Our country reached the semifinal of a major tournament. A

:55:32. > :55:37.few years ago, that felt impossible. Coleman has done a great job, and

:55:38. > :55:43.Gary speed as well. It is well-deserved. And they deserved to

:55:44. > :55:51.be in this position. It didn't happen that night, but it has been

:55:52. > :56:00.an unbelievable journey. I can't wait for Moldova at home now. Laura,

:56:01. > :56:04.I wonder what kind of example this will give to young boys and girls

:56:05. > :56:09.who want to play football? I think it's going to be a fabulous

:56:10. > :56:16.inspiration to them, and all credit to the players and squad and the

:56:17. > :56:20.fans. We have been a United team, with the players as close to the

:56:21. > :56:25.fans as the fans are to the players. They have been wonderful role models

:56:26. > :56:28.for girls and boys who want to take up football. We couldn't have asked

:56:29. > :56:32.for more from them. But the important thing is not just to

:56:33. > :56:36.inspire the children who can be good at football, it is to inspire

:56:37. > :56:39.everybody, young and old, whatever their background, to take up some

:56:40. > :56:44.form of football, because it is easily the most popular sport and it

:56:45. > :56:48.is a fun and easy way to keep fit. So hopefully, this will inspire not

:56:49. > :56:51.just success, but also grassroots football. You said last year that it

:56:52. > :56:56.was more important for the reputation of Wales to qualify for

:56:57. > :57:01.Euro 2016 than for the rugby team to win the World Cup, is that right? I

:57:02. > :57:03.said that. I wasn't trying to be controversial. I said it in a

:57:04. > :57:07.lecture at the Hay festival. The point I was trying to make was, in

:57:08. > :57:11.terms of selling Wales to the WorldCom in terms of status, the

:57:12. > :57:15.footballing European Championships are ways going to be a bigger event

:57:16. > :57:20.than the Rugby World Cup. And I stand by that, because we see how

:57:21. > :57:23.the world has seen Wales and is interested in Wales. And haven't we

:57:24. > :57:28.sold ourselves well on the global stage? Bebo can see a really

:57:29. > :57:36.forward-looking, passionate nation -- people can see a forward-looking

:57:37. > :57:41.nation. Quick final point to Gwilym and Gethin. One of our English

:57:42. > :57:46.viewers says, to everyone in Wales, your football is on a journey and

:57:47. > :57:49.the Euros were just the start. You have every right to be proud of your

:57:50. > :57:55.team and the fans. Good luck for the future. That is very nice. We knew

:57:56. > :58:03.we had the world behind us yesterday. The mooring the more

:58:04. > :58:07.important point is what Laura said. Our leaders have a duty to make the

:58:08. > :58:10.most of what has happened. Our players and management have shown

:58:11. > :58:14.leadership on the pitch. There is so much opportunity for our country.

:58:15. > :58:20.The players and fans have been great ambassadors, and it is important

:58:21. > :58:26.that the country progresses through football and in every other area.

:58:27. > :58:30.Thank you so much, all of you. Back at nine o'clock tomorrow. BBC News

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