20/07/2016

:00:07. > :00:15.Our top story today, three dead following a disturbance

:00:16. > :00:22.You don't see things like this around here now,

:00:23. > :00:25.contrary to what people think, it is actually a quiet place now

:00:26. > :00:32.of like wanting to know who it is and what's happened.

:00:33. > :00:42.Calm down dear, listen to the doctor. There is one very big

:00:43. > :00:49.difference. I lead my party. He follows his!

:00:50. > :00:55.Of course he hates higher standards. Of course he hates opportunity. He

:00:56. > :00:59.is socialist. It is a long time since we had a

:01:00. > :01:02.tantrum from the Prime Minister. the House of Commons in her first

:01:03. > :01:11.ever Prime Ministers Questions, what some political leaders have

:01:12. > :01:13.described as the most nerve-wracking We'll talk to some of those whose

:01:14. > :01:17.job has been to prepare leaders And are Uber drivers

:01:18. > :01:20.self-employed or employees? That's the key question

:01:21. > :01:22.in an employment tribunal Through the morning, we'll bring

:01:23. > :01:41.you the latest breaking news The latest unemployment figures

:01:42. > :01:45.are due out at around 9.30am. We'll bring you those and talk

:01:46. > :01:50.for the first time to the new Work and Pensions Secretary,

:01:51. > :01:52.Damian Green. Also send us a picture

:01:53. > :01:54.of the unusual places where you're trying

:01:55. > :01:58.to grab a bit of sun. Stav will have a full weather

:01:59. > :02:06.forecast for you just before 10am. Two men and a woman have died

:02:07. > :02:09.during a disturbance Police are investigating

:02:10. > :02:13.whether one of the men fell The emergency services were called

:02:14. > :02:21.to reports of a disturbance at this high-rise flat in the Tillydrone

:02:22. > :02:27.area of Aberdeen at Police Scotland said three people

:02:28. > :02:31.had been found with serious injuries, but later confirmed

:02:32. > :02:35.that all three had died. Neighbours described

:02:36. > :02:37.a heavy police presence One eyewitness said they saw

:02:38. > :02:42.a man fall to the ground Lots of panic.

:02:43. > :02:53.Police all scuttling about. The whole thing was cordoned off,

:02:54. > :02:55.the front of the building What's been the reaction

:02:56. > :02:59.from friends and people around here? Panic because you don't

:03:00. > :03:01.see things around here, contrary to what people think

:03:02. > :03:10.Tillydrone is a quiet place now. So everybody is wanting to know

:03:11. > :03:13.who it is and what happened. Police say the investigation

:03:14. > :03:16.is in the early stages but they aren't looking

:03:17. > :03:17.for any other person Residents here in Tillydrone

:03:18. > :03:21.have expressed their Police Scotland say the incident

:03:22. > :03:29.appears to be contained. Annita is in the BBC Newsroom

:03:30. > :03:35.with the rest of the day's news. Theresa May will make her first

:03:36. > :03:40.overseas trip as Prime Minister later today when she travels

:03:41. > :03:43.to Berlin for talks with the German The two leaders will discuss

:03:44. > :03:47.the time frame for the UK's withdrawal from the European Union

:03:48. > :03:49.and future trade relations. Tomorrow, Mrs May will travel

:03:50. > :03:54.to Paris for talks with President Before she leaves

:03:55. > :04:00.the UK this afternoon she'll take part in her first

:04:01. > :04:11.Prime Minister's Questions The body of a 16-year-old boy has

:04:12. > :04:14.been recovered from the water in Manchester. There are no suspicious

:04:15. > :04:17.circumstances surrounding his death. A police officer was stabbed

:04:18. > :04:21.when a water fight in London's Hyde Park turned

:04:22. > :04:23.violent last night. Another officer was hit

:04:24. > :04:26.with a bottle and two other people All four are being treated

:04:27. > :04:29.in hospital, and no arrests Donald Trump has been formally

:04:30. > :04:34.nominated as the Republican Party's candidate for the US presidential

:04:35. > :04:37.election. A state-by-state vote at the party's

:04:38. > :04:40.convention in Ohio confirmed that Mr Trump had the support

:04:41. > :04:45.of the majority of delegates. He will accept the nomination

:04:46. > :04:47.in a speech tomorrow as our North America correspondent

:04:48. > :04:54.James Cook reports from Cleveland. When Donald Trump announced

:04:55. > :04:59.he was running for president, many people dismissed his

:05:00. > :05:01.candidacy as a joke. Confirmation that he'd secured

:05:02. > :05:08.enough votes to become the nominee came from his home state

:05:09. > :05:09.and his own son. And it's my honour to be able

:05:10. > :05:18.to throw Donald Trump over the top in the delegate count tonight

:05:19. > :05:20.with 89 delegates! Over the past year this property

:05:21. > :05:31.developer has turned American politics upside down with a potent

:05:32. > :05:36.mix of populist rhetoric. We're going to rebuild our depleted

:05:37. > :05:41.military and take care On the streets of Cleveland,

:05:42. > :06:00.in the country at large, Donald Trump attracts both

:06:01. > :06:02.support and disgust. Well, these protests have been going

:06:03. > :06:06.on for a couple of days here now. They're likely to continue

:06:07. > :06:10.for the rest of the week and far beyond because the United States

:06:11. > :06:15.shows no signs of reconciling Nonetheless, Mr Trump

:06:16. > :06:22.is the Republican nominee and he will take on the former

:06:23. > :06:25.Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in November in an election

:06:26. > :06:30.like no other. Finding affordable childcare may

:06:31. > :06:32.be a struggle for many families this summer,

:06:33. > :06:34.according to the Family A survey by the charity found none

:06:35. > :06:40.of the councils in Wales and the east of England that

:06:41. > :06:43.responded to it had enough places The average price of one week's

:06:44. > :06:48.full-time holiday childcare now The British Medical Association has

:06:49. > :06:55.criticised plans to remove patients in England from GP surgery lists

:06:56. > :06:58.if they haven't had contact The intention behind the plans

:06:59. > :07:02.is to find out whether patients no longer require services,

:07:03. > :07:04.have moved house, left But the medical union says it

:07:05. > :07:10.could be disruptive for patients The company behind the taxi app,

:07:11. > :07:16.Uber, is being taken The action centres

:07:17. > :07:20.on whether drivers should be treated as employees,

:07:21. > :07:22.with rights to holiday pay, sick pay and the national

:07:23. > :07:26.minimum wage, or whether, as Uber insists,

:07:27. > :07:31.they're self-employed. The Turkish president,

:07:32. > :07:36.Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is to use an emergency meeting

:07:37. > :07:39.of his Security Council and Cabinet today to lay out plans to stabilise

:07:40. > :07:43.the country in the wake of last An estimated 50,000 people

:07:44. > :07:47.have been rounded up, sacked or suspended from their jobs

:07:48. > :07:50.since the revolt was quashed. That's a summary of

:07:51. > :07:52.the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

:07:53. > :08:09.throughout the morning - We will be asking if you tell a lie

:08:10. > :08:13.on an insurance firm whether you should get a pay-out. A decision is

:08:14. > :08:23.being made in the Supreme Court and it could affect all of us.

:08:24. > :08:28.Should the entire Russia team be banned from the Olympic Games

:08:29. > :08:29.as punishment for state-sponsored doping?

:08:30. > :08:32.Jessica Ennis-Hill's coach believes not.

:08:33. > :08:35.The IOC is exploring its legal options before making a decision

:08:36. > :08:37.and Tony Minichello says they should look at alternatives,

:08:38. > :08:42.while making sure guilty individuals are penalised.

:08:43. > :08:48.The whole thing about sport and anti-doping is about making sure the

:08:49. > :08:52.sport is clean and protected clean athletes. So by giving the medals to

:08:53. > :08:56.the clean athletes then that's the first thing. The second thing after

:08:57. > :08:59.that, if you truly believe that a nation is not capable of hosting

:09:00. > :09:04.major championships then maybe there is a period of time where you don't

:09:05. > :09:05.allow that country to bid for any major championships, whatever that

:09:06. > :09:07.maybe. Mark Cavendish has pulled out

:09:08. > :09:10.of the Tour de France to concentrate The Manxman has won four stages this

:09:11. > :09:15.year and there are just five to go but Rio will be his third

:09:16. > :09:18.Olympic Games and he's yet He said staying on the Tour

:09:19. > :09:22.could disrupt his bid to win gold For the first time in his career,

:09:23. > :09:27.Tiger Woods will miss all four Majors in one year,

:09:28. > :09:30.after withdrawing from next week's The 14-time major winner is now

:09:31. > :09:39.ranked number 628 in the world and he hasn't played

:09:40. > :09:41.a tournament for almost a year. He underwent two operations

:09:42. > :09:46.last autumn to try to cure a back problem and his agent has confirmed

:09:47. > :09:49.that he won't play for the rest of the season as he's still not

:09:50. > :09:53.ready for "competitive golf". Now, to the vacant England

:09:54. > :09:55.football manager's job. The FA have already spoken

:09:56. > :09:58.to Sunderland boss Sam Allardyce and Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe

:09:59. > :10:00.and USA coach Jurgen Klinsmann have Most recently, they've had "informal

:10:01. > :10:05.discussions" with Hull City boss Steve Bruce, although the club says

:10:06. > :10:09.no official approach has been made. For Bruce's part, he said

:10:10. > :10:12.he put his case across and hoped it Scottish champions Celtic need

:10:13. > :10:22.to get over the embarrassment of losing to the Gibraltan part-timers

:10:23. > :10:29.Lincoln Red Imps last week. They're 1-0 down going

:10:30. > :10:31.into tonight's home leg Last night Welsh league champions

:10:32. > :10:35.the New Saints were knocked out in the second qualifying round,

:10:36. > :10:37.losing 3-nil to Apoel Northern Ireland's Crusaders

:10:38. > :10:40.were beaten 9-0 on aggregate Well, Chesterfield have

:10:41. > :10:47.apologised to fans after apparently faking the winner

:10:48. > :10:54.of a club competition. Supporters paid ?20 to enter

:10:55. > :10:57.a raffle, the prize to join the team A winner was announced but the club

:10:58. > :11:02.said he was too ill to travel, before admitting the entry

:11:03. > :11:05.was not legitimate. Only four supporters

:11:06. > :11:07.entered the competition! So Chesterfield fans not

:11:08. > :11:10.happy at all! We will have more sport later

:11:11. > :11:14.in the hour and after 10am and we will hear from England

:11:15. > :11:16.Cricketer Jonny Bairstow after the disappointing defeat

:11:17. > :11:25.to Pakistan at the weekend. Thank you very much, Hugh.

:11:26. > :11:29.Are they new glasses or have I missed them? They're not new, but I

:11:30. > :11:37.don't wear them all the time so you might have missed them. You don't

:11:38. > :11:40.actually need them? I do need them. I wear contact lenses the rest of

:11:41. > :11:46.the time! Looking good! Looking good!

:11:47. > :11:53.Let's go to Westminster and Norman? The Labour leadership contest is

:11:54. > :11:57.kicking off in earnest today and although it only just started, all

:11:58. > :12:02.the signs are it is going to be a fairly bruising affair with some of

:12:03. > :12:05.the Owen Smith's, the challengers remarks, which he made ten years,

:12:06. > :12:10.coming back to haunt him. This is when he was working for Pfizer and

:12:11. > :12:15.there were some quotes in which he appears to suggest that he was in

:12:16. > :12:20.favour of a bigger role for the private sector in the NHS and all

:12:21. > :12:24.the indications are that maybe some in the Corbyn camp are quite happy

:12:25. > :12:28.for those remarks to come back and haunt him. As I say, all the

:12:29. > :12:32.indications are it could be pretty tough. So, you know, it will be a

:12:33. > :12:36.bruising affair, but Owen Smith's joining me now. Let me just ask you

:12:37. > :12:40.a few questions about your leadership contest. First of all,

:12:41. > :12:43.I'm curious, you're challenging Mr Corbyn because you have gone out of

:12:44. > :12:47.your way to praise him. You said he is a radical. The party owes a lot

:12:48. > :12:51.to him, why not just leave him there? Because I don't think he is a

:12:52. > :12:54.leader Norman. I don't think he can win the trust and the respect of the

:12:55. > :12:59.British people to get Labour elected. Jeremy has got great Labour

:13:00. > :13:05.values, and great Labour principles and he has been someone who got

:13:06. > :13:08.Labour to understand our radical roots and reneed radicalism, but I

:13:09. > :13:12.don't think we can win an election for us, and without power and

:13:13. > :13:16.without the principles to put that into practise, it is all hot air.

:13:17. > :13:20.The Tory Government has been riding roughshod over working people in

:13:21. > :13:24.this country for six years and we need a powerful, Labour opposition,

:13:25. > :13:26.that really takes them on and exposes their failings and

:13:27. > :13:30.crucially, we need a Labour Government in waiting and that's

:13:31. > :13:35.what I'm determined to lead. So are you then just a more plausible, a

:13:36. > :13:41.more media savvy Jeremy Corbyn? , no I'm Owen Smith. I'm my own man. I'm

:13:42. > :13:43.somebody who understands Labour values, I've grown up in the Labour

:13:44. > :13:49.movement. I understand what we are for and what we have always been

:13:50. > :13:52.for, we want a fair society. We want everybody to have opportunities. But

:13:53. > :13:59.we have got to have concrete ideas to do that. Jeremy has been great at

:14:00. > :14:02.slogans, what we need to be great is solutionsment yes, we are

:14:03. > :14:05.anti-austerity, but what does it mean, we have got to be propos

:14:06. > :14:10.perity for everybody. It means we need to invest in this country.

:14:11. > :14:14.Let's have a British new deal, a ?200 billion fund to invest in

:14:15. > :14:19.schools, hospitals, our young people, social care, housing, we

:14:20. > :14:24.should be building 300,000 houses a year. Jeremy talks about it. Let's

:14:25. > :14:30.have principled ideas to do it. You say you don't want slogans, let me

:14:31. > :14:35.put it ?200 billion to build 300,000 sounds like a slogan, A, where is

:14:36. > :14:38.the money coming from and are you talking about a massive council

:14:39. > :14:42.house programme? We should be building council housing and

:14:43. > :14:48.allowing our local councils... ?300,000 a year. Absolutely. So this

:14:49. > :14:56.is going back to the old estates? No, we need to build decent housing.

:14:57. > :15:01.We are going back to what Nye Bevan did. He managed 260,000 houses a

:15:02. > :15:05.year. The Tories in the 1950s were building 300,000 housesment we

:15:06. > :15:09.should be building that much and we should be using Government debt,

:15:10. > :15:12.long dated quilts, borrowing in order to build that. It is not

:15:13. > :15:16.whether we can afford to do it, Norman, we can't afford not to do

:15:17. > :15:20.it. Britain is falling behind. Let me ask you another of the charges

:15:21. > :15:24.made against you which is you are a flip-flopper. You are a, you were an

:15:25. > :15:27.old Blairite and now you're repackaging yourself as a left of

:15:28. > :15:32.centre politician, you said Jeremy Corbyn was going to lead the party

:15:33. > :15:34.into the next election and now you're challenging himment you

:15:35. > :15:37.flip-flop over the place? No, I don't. I have been a conviction

:15:38. > :15:42.politician for the period when I have been a politician. I grew up in

:15:43. > :15:46.South Wales in the town I represent, my political awakening if you like

:15:47. > :15:50.Norman was the Miners' Strike in 1984, 1985 when I marched alongside

:15:51. > :15:54.friends and family who were out of work in that period, marched back

:15:55. > :15:58.with them and I'm someone who has been on the left of the Labour Party

:15:59. > :16:02.and understood our traditions all of my life, but I'm also someone who

:16:03. > :16:06.knows you need to modernise those traditions. You need to, as John

:16:07. > :16:07.Prescott used to say, put them in a modern setting and that's what I'm

:16:08. > :16:16.determined to do. are a I'm going to try to bring

:16:17. > :16:20.Victoria in but let me ask you a few questions. Let me ask you a few

:16:21. > :16:24.quick once so people can get a sense of who you are. The steel industry,

:16:25. > :16:29.are you in favour of nationalising it? I'm in favour of state -- saving

:16:30. > :16:32.the steel industry whatever way possible and if that requires

:16:33. > :16:36.nationalisation, that is an thing we should be prepared to do and that's

:16:37. > :16:39.why the Tories are doing it. It's a disaster to allow Britain to become

:16:40. > :16:43.a country without the capacity to make steel. We can't be a serious

:16:44. > :16:48.country and a serious industrial power if we don't have steel.

:16:49. > :16:52.Private schools? Would you end their charitable status? I would look at

:16:53. > :16:55.that very serious leak, we have a two tier school system in Britain

:16:56. > :16:58.and it's not worked for this country for a long time. We have two narrow

:16:59. > :17:03.inequalities. That is one of the things that should be looked at.

:17:04. > :17:07.Would you give the go-ahead to Hinkley Point, nuclear power? Yes,

:17:08. > :17:11.we should have a varied means of producing power. We should be

:17:12. > :17:15.looking at renewables much harder but nuclear is necessary and I would

:17:16. > :17:21.invest in it. Women only carriages on the tube railways? I think that

:17:22. > :17:25.-- that's a silly idea, a return to some daft Victorian notion of the

:17:26. > :17:29.gap between the genders. We are in favour of equality and that would

:17:30. > :17:32.not be my idea of it. We will leave it there. Thank you for joining us.

:17:33. > :17:36.If there is something you want to ask maybe you ask me and I can ask

:17:37. > :17:41.him but we have not got his earpiece sorted out. I wanted to know if he

:17:42. > :17:45.regrets describing himself as a normal family man in contrast to his

:17:46. > :17:48.former rival Angela Eagle, who is a gay woman without children. How is

:17:49. > :17:56.that different from what Andrea Leadsom said about Theresa May? I

:17:57. > :18:02.did not describe myself as normal! I was on the Eamonn Homs show three

:18:03. > :18:07.days ago and he went to a chap from the Daily Mail, and he said what do

:18:08. > :18:12.you think of this Alyn Smith blow? He said they don't know much about

:18:13. > :18:17.him but he sees zero -- seems normal. I said I was normal but I

:18:18. > :18:20.was no way -- in their web like that anyone with a different lifestyle to

:18:21. > :18:24.me is anything other than normal. It is a gross and silly exaggeration of

:18:25. > :18:28.what was a throwaway comment, not even by me but by another

:18:29. > :18:35.journalist. If you look at the camera, hopefully you can hear

:18:36. > :18:38.Victoria. Just about. Good morning. You said this morning it was a

:18:39. > :18:43.mistake when you were a BBC producer, you rang 999 to get a

:18:44. > :18:47.comment from the police on a particular story. You said it was

:18:48. > :18:51.embarrassing. I just wonder what that says about your judgment,

:18:52. > :18:58.though? Let me be clear about this. It was over 20, perhaps 25 years ago

:18:59. > :19:02.and I was a cub reporter on a BBC radio show. I didn't ring 999 but I

:19:03. > :19:06.did do something pretty stupid, ringing a police hotline, having

:19:07. > :19:10.been pressured, if you like, to try to get a comment from the police on

:19:11. > :19:14.a story. I confess I don't even remember what the story was but it

:19:15. > :19:17.was clearly a really stupid and embarrassing thing to do. I was

:19:18. > :19:22.embarrassed about it at the time and I am now but I think my judgment is

:19:23. > :19:30.not called into question by this. It was a foolish mistake by a young

:19:31. > :19:35.man. You were a grown-up. No, look, I said it was a silly thing to do,

:19:36. > :19:40.it was a mistake. I was a new researcher in the BBC. I obviously

:19:41. > :19:43.think it was a stupid thing to do. People have made bigger mistake than

:19:44. > :19:46.that in their lives, I think. I am honest enough to say it was a

:19:47. > :19:49.mistake and I regret doing it but I don't think anyone lost their life

:19:50. > :19:52.over the issue and I think it is something we should move on. I've

:19:53. > :20:00.certainly moved on and I hope others can. I want to play you a clip from

:20:01. > :20:03.the GMB this morning, when you were being asked a question there about a

:20:04. > :20:06.former job you had. We are going to play it for the audience. I'm like a

:20:07. > :20:13.deer Selponi, I'm going to take them on and win. Didn't you have detest

:20:14. > :20:17.all the products adviser? That is for me and Mrs Smith the know.

:20:18. > :20:22.Really? I would have thought the straight answer would be no, you

:20:23. > :20:26.would not have do does the products. That's called a joke. It was just a

:20:27. > :20:31.joke. Having opened the door to the doubt, have you ever tried Viagra?

:20:32. > :20:37.No, I haven't. LAUGHTER That was the answer. I haven't

:20:38. > :20:42.needed it! What do you think about being asked if you had taken Viagra?

:20:43. > :20:45.As I said Norman and minute ago, it has been a whirlwind, so far, in the

:20:46. > :20:49.space of 20 minutes, I have been asked if I would press the nuclear

:20:50. > :20:52.button and have I tried Viagra? These are the kind of things I'm

:20:53. > :20:58.going to have to deal with. I will take them in my stride. The fact you

:20:59. > :21:03.are standing is a kick in the teeth for the Labour members, isn't it? I

:21:04. > :21:10.didn't quite hear that. The fact you are standing at all is a kick in the

:21:11. > :21:13.teeth for Labour members. No, the Labour members are hugely important,

:21:14. > :21:16.they are at the centre of the party and I greatly welcome the fact that

:21:17. > :21:22.Jeremy is exceeded in bringing in thousands and thousands of new

:21:23. > :21:26.members. So don't stand, then. But I say to those members that I want a

:21:27. > :21:30.Labour government, not just a protest movement. I want us to be

:21:31. > :21:34.standing here as a credible radical government in waiting. I am just as

:21:35. > :21:39.radical as Jeremy Corbyn but I think I am able to turn slogans into

:21:40. > :21:43.solutions. I think I am able to say that in new generation of Labour men

:21:44. > :21:46.and women, a new generation of Democratic Socialists need to

:21:47. > :21:49.provide answers for this country. The country is crying out for a

:21:50. > :21:54.Labour government, standing ready to invest in them and the future of

:21:55. > :21:58.Britain. We can't cut our way to grow. Anyone like me who has worked

:21:59. > :22:01.in business knows that. We need a government that is prepared to be

:22:02. > :22:06.courageous and have convictions and take it forward. That means

:22:07. > :22:09.investing, which is why I've talked about a British new Deal and the

:22:10. > :22:14.Labour Party recommitting itself to be unequivocally a party that will

:22:15. > :22:17.tackle the scourge of inequality in this country. That is why I want new

:22:18. > :22:24.constraints on the British governance when it comes to taking

:22:25. > :22:27.the country to war. That is why I want us to redouble our efforts to

:22:28. > :22:30.deal with climate change and I want greater party democracy. I want to

:22:31. > :22:33.set up a Senate, Shadow Cabinet of party members to advise me as leader

:22:34. > :22:37.of the Labour Party. I want new ways in which we retrain greater contact

:22:38. > :22:41.between the members and the leadership of the party in

:22:42. > :22:44.Westminster. -- retain greater contact. Members are right that they

:22:45. > :22:47.have been treated shabbily by previous leaderships. We should be

:22:48. > :22:51.investing in our members. Michael Gove said the other day years sick

:22:52. > :22:56.of experts. I'm not. I want experts in the Labour Party, experts in our

:22:57. > :23:00.values, to inform me as leader as to what they think Labour should be

:23:01. > :23:03.doing. I will do that if I am the leader. Is there any evidence you

:23:04. > :23:11.have actually achieved anything politically? Yes, so, the two big

:23:12. > :23:15.things I think Labour has won in the last few months has been the reverse

:23:16. > :23:20.of the tax credits cuts will stop I led that campaign on the front bench

:23:21. > :23:29.for Labour, as the Shadow DWP secretary. In conjunction with some

:23:30. > :23:32.Tories as well. I was the leader, the second big thing I'm incredibly

:23:33. > :23:35.proud of having achieved is the reversal of the cuts to personal

:23:36. > :23:40.independence payments for disabled people in this country. I thought

:23:41. > :23:45.that tooth and nail and forced the Tories to turn tail on it. -- I've

:23:46. > :23:48.bought that. I full them into a U-turn and I'd like to think I've

:23:49. > :23:54.played a little part in winning those battles, in getting rid of

:23:55. > :23:57.Iain Duncan Smith, who I think many Labour Party supporters thought was

:23:58. > :24:00.a scourge in this country and I'm pleased that he went on my watch.

:24:01. > :24:04.Those are tangible achievement and I will do a lot more if I get to be

:24:05. > :24:07.leader. Jeremy Corbyn would say he had a lot to do with both of those

:24:08. > :24:12.things as well. I was working for him and I didn't get a lot of

:24:13. > :24:15.guidance from him. Do you need it? Matt Kirby we spoke about it after

:24:16. > :24:21.I'd achieve them but I will tell you straight, it was me who drove it

:24:22. > :24:24.forward in the Labour Party and I will drive us forward in future. Do

:24:25. > :24:27.you need it? I thought you wanted the top job. Of course you need

:24:28. > :24:30.guidance, anyone in a top job in any walk of life should never be so

:24:31. > :24:34.arrogant as to assume they've got all the answers. That's why I have

:24:35. > :24:37.said it is not enough for us to just have guidance around the Shadow

:24:38. > :24:42.Cabinet table from members who are MPs. I will create an additional

:24:43. > :24:45.Shadow Cabinet, if you like, of members of the party, drawn from

:24:46. > :24:48.across the country, to give me grass-roots advice on how Labour

:24:49. > :24:55.leader should be approaching the problems of the day in government

:24:56. > :24:58.and in opposition. Jess Phillips, a colleague of yours and Labour MP for

:24:59. > :25:04.Birmingham said last night on the news that Labour has a problem with

:25:05. > :25:08.women. Do you agree? I think we've had a massive problem recently with

:25:09. > :25:14.misogyny and intolerance in the party, anti-Semitism, racism and the

:25:15. > :25:17.awful way in which women in the labour movement have been treated.

:25:18. > :25:24.It has been appalling to witness this. What have you seen? I think we

:25:25. > :25:27.have two stamp it out. What have you witnessed? Jeremy Coney truce, as

:25:28. > :25:33.spoken a lot about it but we need to be more vigorous. -- Jeremy, it's

:25:34. > :25:38.true. You said what you witnessed is not good. What have you witnessed?

:25:39. > :25:42.All of us, I was subject to death threats just yesterday on social

:25:43. > :25:47.media. But some of the women in the Labour Party, some of our great,

:25:48. > :25:49.brave Labour women been subject to appalling abuse, absolutely

:25:50. > :25:55.disgraceful, outrageous abuse online. It is utterly unacceptable.

:25:56. > :25:57.These are quite often, I think, criminal acts, utterly reprehensible

:25:58. > :26:03.and they have to be treated with zero tolerance in labour. We are the

:26:04. > :26:07.Labour Party, for goodness sakes, the party of equality, tolerance and

:26:08. > :26:10.fairness. We can't put up with this. If we don't set an example to the

:26:11. > :26:14.rest of the country come if we can't set an example ourselves, what good

:26:15. > :26:17.are we to people? Jeremy Schneider have stamped on this a lot harder.

:26:18. > :26:21.He's let it run, some people think he has even encouraged it. I don't

:26:22. > :26:26.know that but I know it's got to be stamped out. Do using key has

:26:27. > :26:35.encouraged it? I don't know but I don't he's been strong enough. -- do

:26:36. > :26:38.you think he has encouraged it? He's not recognised the depth of the

:26:39. > :26:41.problem. Lots of women in the Labour Party are horrified he's allowed

:26:42. > :26:45.this to continue and has not been anything like as strong as he should

:26:46. > :26:49.be in stamping it out. It's utterly unacceptable for any abuse to be

:26:50. > :26:52.visited on anybody but absolutely utterly unacceptable for women in

:26:53. > :26:56.the Labour Party, women who are standing up for their communities,

:26:57. > :27:00.fighting for their values, to be subject to this. I will never put up

:27:01. > :27:05.with that. I will call it out and stamp it out if I'm given the

:27:06. > :27:15.chance. If Jeremy Corbyn beats you, and many say that is likely to

:27:16. > :27:18.happen, you could be potentially responsible for spreading the Labour

:27:19. > :27:21.Party. What I put to Jeremy is, my fear is, if he wins, he will be the

:27:22. > :27:24.man who split the Labour Party. I don't think the members will see it

:27:25. > :27:27.like that. A path to a split in the Labour Party, some across the party

:27:28. > :27:31.have become fatalistic about that and it will be a disaster for

:27:32. > :27:35.working people if Labour were to split. We would be destroyed.

:27:36. > :27:40.Working people would no longer have a people's party standing on their

:27:41. > :27:44.side, standing up for them. Jeremy has got to realise that. That's why

:27:45. > :27:48.I have asked him to compromise, become the president of labour, use

:27:49. > :27:55.his values to speak for the labour movement, to induce people, --

:27:56. > :27:58.induce people, to get get them to join the party but allowed the party

:27:59. > :28:02.Westminster to be led by the people in the vanguard of taking the fight

:28:03. > :28:05.to the Tories, some they can place their trust in, some on the country

:28:06. > :28:09.can look at and say, this man or woman might be some who they feel is

:28:10. > :28:13.a credible future leader of the country. Now we have got lots of

:28:14. > :28:18.people who can be that. Angela Eagle would be a brilliant leader of the

:28:19. > :28:22.Labour Party but I am proud that my colleagues in Westminster chose me

:28:23. > :28:27.to try to save the Labour Party and unite us, to bring us back together

:28:28. > :28:31.as a labour movement and to make us once more into a powerful opposition

:28:32. > :28:34.and then, in time, a credible government in waiting. We have lost

:28:35. > :28:40.peoples respect in this country. The Party has been laughed at in some

:28:41. > :28:44.quarters. That can't continue. I'm determined to make us a credible

:28:45. > :28:50.government in waiting. How likely is a split? If we carry on this

:28:51. > :28:54.trajectory, it will split. That's why I'm standing. I went to see

:28:55. > :28:57.Jeremy on three occasions. I told to me had to realise the party is

:28:58. > :29:01.teetering on the brink of extension. If we split, we will be destroyed.

:29:02. > :29:05.That is why we need to heal the Labour Party and need a change in

:29:06. > :29:11.leadership at the top. That is why we need me to lead Labour and bring

:29:12. > :29:14.us back together. We have always been a coalition of different

:29:15. > :29:19.perspectives across the Labour movement but when we are strong is

:29:20. > :29:22.when we are united. At the moment we are divided and divided parties

:29:23. > :29:25.don't get elected. Divided parties are not trusted by the British

:29:26. > :29:29.public which is why Jeremy needs to move aside and given that he has

:29:30. > :29:33.refused to do that, he has to be challenged. I will challenge him

:29:34. > :29:37.respectfully and debate the issues with him. I want him to debate with

:29:38. > :29:41.me right across Britain. I'm a bit worried we are only having three

:29:42. > :29:46.head-to-head hustings in the party. I want 300, not three, to be in

:29:47. > :29:51.every room and every village hall, the length and breadth of Britain

:29:52. > :29:54.alongside Jeremy, putting my case for a radical, credible,

:29:55. > :29:58.next-generation Labour offer and I'm convinced if I do that, I can

:29:59. > :30:02.persuade the members I will be just as radical and I can hopefully

:30:03. > :30:05.deliver a Labour government in time. Let me read you some comments from

:30:06. > :30:10.people watching you speak. Robert says, "Owen Smith believes in

:30:11. > :30:15.democracy but only when it suits MPs". Clive says, "It is a kick in

:30:16. > :30:22.the teeth because we voted for Jeremy Corbyn. You are a traitor to

:30:23. > :30:26.Labour". I don't believe that. Of course you don't but that is what

:30:27. > :30:29.members are saying. For me, it is the Labour Party or nothing. But I

:30:30. > :30:34.say to those party members, if they are members, that we have got to be

:30:35. > :30:40.more than a protest party. We have got to be a party that is a credible

:30:41. > :30:44.government in waiting. That means, I fear, moving on. Jeremy is to be

:30:45. > :30:47.thanked because he has helped Labour rediscover its radical roots which

:30:48. > :30:50.is why so many people have joined the party. They want a radical

:30:51. > :30:55.Labour Party but they also want a party that can win. If I win, if I

:30:56. > :30:59.get to lead a labour opposition and a Labour government, I say to those

:31:00. > :31:03.members that I will be radical, I am on the left of the Labour Party and

:31:04. > :31:10.I will provide radical solutions for the challenges Britain is facing. I

:31:11. > :31:12.have heard that now. Investing in manufacture, building housing we

:31:13. > :31:18.need in this country, investing in and education and skills. I will be

:31:19. > :31:26.a radical Labour leader. The leader this country needs.

:31:27. > :31:33.Caroline says, "Owen Smith comes across with great passion."

:31:34. > :31:36.Strategic Rail Authority tweets, "Owen Smith is hysterical. More

:31:37. > :31:44.politicians need a sense of humour like him." Ails says, "Watching you

:31:45. > :31:48.on the Vic toria Derbyshire, I decided that Owen Smith is David

:31:49. > :31:54.Cameron with spectacles." Well, David Cameron walked past me in the

:31:55. > :31:59.lobby in the House of Commons and I was told by another journalist that

:32:00. > :32:05.Cameron pointed at me and said, "What's going on?" For the first

:32:06. > :32:09.time ever I knew more than him! The key thing is people have lost a bit

:32:10. > :32:14.of trust and respect in Labour. The worst thing that happened to me

:32:15. > :32:22.recently, Victoria, I went to the local pub with my wife to watch the

:32:23. > :32:26.Wales versus Belgium game and a mate of mine, somebody I've known since I

:32:27. > :32:31.was a toddler said, "I heard you want to be the leader of the Labour

:32:32. > :32:34.Party. What on earth for?" That's the most damning hurtful thing that

:32:35. > :32:38.anybody could say. But it is a measure of how low we've fallen in

:32:39. > :32:43.public he is seem. We have got to win it back and look like serious

:32:44. > :32:47.conviction and serious politicians and I am that and Labour is full of

:32:48. > :32:50.people that believe in Labour values. They come into politics to

:32:51. > :32:56.serve this country. We need to be given a chance to do that and with

:32:57. > :33:00.Jeremy as leader, we fear we won't be given a chance to did that and

:33:01. > :33:03.this generation of good hearted, solid Labour men and women might not

:33:04. > :33:06.be given a chance to lead this country with conviction as we want

:33:07. > :33:10.to. I'm saying give us a chance to do that. I'm saying to the members

:33:11. > :33:16.give me a chance to hue night and heal our party. Thank you very much

:33:17. > :33:24.for your time. For thauking to Norman and us. This news just in.

:33:25. > :33:29.Unemployment fell by 54,000 to 1.65 million people. That's between March

:33:30. > :33:37.and May. Official figures just out from the ONS show.

:33:38. > :33:40.We will talk to the man whose brief covers employment and unemployment,

:33:41. > :33:44.he is Damian Green. We will talk to him in 20 minutes time.

:33:45. > :33:47.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:33:48. > :33:52.Two men and a woman have died during a disturbance

:33:53. > :33:56.Police are investigating whether one of the men fell from a balcony

:33:57. > :33:59.of the 19-storey Donside Court, in the Tillydrone area of the city.

:34:00. > :34:01.Police Scotland said it believed the incident was contained

:34:02. > :34:03.and there was not a threat to the wider community.

:34:04. > :34:05.Lots of panic, um, police all scuttling about.

:34:06. > :34:07.The whole thing was cordoned off, front of the building

:34:08. > :34:12.What has been the reaction of your friends

:34:13. > :34:16.Panic, because you don't see things like this around here now.

:34:17. > :34:19.Tillydrone's actually a quiet place now.

:34:20. > :34:21.So everybody's sort of, like, wanting to know

:34:22. > :34:23.who it is and what happened and if it's anybody

:34:24. > :34:32.Theresa May will take part in her first session of Prime Minister's

:34:33. > :34:35.After her appearance in the Commons at noon,

:34:36. > :34:38.Mrs May will then travel to Germany for talks with the German

:34:39. > :34:42.The two leaders will discuss the time frame for the UK's

:34:43. > :34:44.withdrawal from the European Union and future trade relations.

:34:45. > :34:46.Tomorrow, Mrs May will travel to Paris for talks

:34:47. > :35:00.We are hearing that Theresa May has told the President of the European

:35:01. > :35:06.Council Donald Tusk that the UK will give up its six month presidency of

:35:07. > :35:11.the European Council. That was due to come in next year. It is a

:35:12. > :35:15.rotating six month presidency. The UK is going to relinquish that.

:35:16. > :35:19.Theresa May has told Donald Tusk. The body of a 16-year-old boy has

:35:20. > :35:22.been recovered from a river Police say the teenager had been

:35:23. > :35:25.in the water in Hyde with a group of friends,

:35:26. > :35:28.and there are no suspicious A police officer was stabbed

:35:29. > :35:31.when a water fight in London's Hyde Park turned

:35:32. > :35:33.violent last night. Another officer was hit

:35:34. > :35:36.with a bottle and two other people All four are being treated

:35:37. > :35:39.in hospital and no arrests The company behind the taxi app,

:35:40. > :35:44.Uber, is being taken to The action centres

:35:45. > :35:49.on whether drivers should be treated as employees,

:35:50. > :35:51.with rights to holiday pay, sick pay and the national

:35:52. > :35:53.minimum wage, or whether, as Uber insists,

:35:54. > :35:57.they're self-employed. That's a summary of

:35:58. > :36:10.the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. Mez on Twitter

:36:11. > :36:17.says, "Owen Smith came across as a man of conviction. He gets my vote.

:36:18. > :36:21.Not all members are Corbyn Is tas." Would you prefer Owen Smith or

:36:22. > :36:25.Jeremy Corbyn if you are a Labour supporter. Deborah sent us a

:36:26. > :36:30.photograph of her dog, marly, cooling off. I was going to show you

:36:31. > :36:35.it right now, but I messed up the technical. I'm sorry. I promise I

:36:36. > :36:42.will show you a picture of marly cooling off before long!

:36:43. > :36:47.But I've, spare a thought for my dog, Gracie, a black cocker spaniel

:36:48. > :36:51.who when I take her out for a walk is like this. She can't wait to get

:36:52. > :36:52.home. I look forward to the dog pictures because I know you're going

:36:53. > :36:54.to flood me with them. The International Olympic Committee

:36:55. > :37:02.is exploring its "legal options" before deciding whether to ban

:37:03. > :37:04.the entire Russia team Track and field athletes are already

:37:05. > :37:07.suspended but confirmation of state-endorsed doping means

:37:08. > :37:09.the IOC may impose Mark Cavendish has pulled out

:37:10. > :37:12.of the tour de France and switched his focus

:37:13. > :37:14.to the Olympics. Rio will be his third Games and he's

:37:15. > :37:17.never won a medal. Tiger Woods won't be playing in next

:37:18. > :37:23.week's US PGA Championship, meaning he'll miss all four Majors

:37:24. > :37:26.in a year for the first Woods has plummeted

:37:27. > :37:32.to number 628 in the world. And Steve Bruce says he's

:37:33. > :37:34.flattered to be considered The Hull City boss had "informal

:37:35. > :37:41.discussions" with the FA. He says he put his case

:37:42. > :37:54.across and hoped it That's all the sport for now. I will

:37:55. > :38:00.be back after 10am. Good morning.

:38:01. > :38:08.Let's bring you the latest on the unemployment figures. Theo Leggett

:38:09. > :38:13.fill us in. The employment rate is 74.4% or was during the period from

:38:14. > :38:18.March to the end of May. That's the highest since comparable records

:38:19. > :38:23.began in 1971. And the unemployment rate was 4.9%, that's down from 5.6%

:38:24. > :38:28.a year earlier and the last time that was lower was for July to

:38:29. > :38:34.September 2005. Although we have had a period of uncertainty during the

:38:35. > :38:36.first part of the year, the trend of increasing employment and reducing

:38:37. > :38:41.unemployment seems to have continued. And these are figures for

:38:42. > :38:45.which months? This is before the vote to leave the referendum? It is

:38:46. > :38:49.before the referendum, it is March to May which encompasses a period

:38:50. > :38:51.when people were wondering what the result of the referendum would be

:38:52. > :38:55.and there were thoughts that economic activity might have been

:38:56. > :38:58.subdued because of that, but obviously, the actual results of the

:38:59. > :39:01.referendum weren't known during that period. Thank you for the moment,

:39:02. > :39:06.thank you. We will talk to the Work and

:39:07. > :39:13.Pensions Secretary Damian Green shortly.

:39:14. > :39:17.An infantry soldier in the rivals regiment died while on a training

:39:18. > :39:22.exercise in the Brecon areas of Wales, that's just in from the

:39:23. > :39:28.Ministry of Defence. An infantry soldier in the Rivals regiment died

:39:29. > :39:32.while on a training exercise in the Brecon area of Wales. Clearly high

:39:33. > :39:37.temperatures across the country yesterday, but a soldier has died

:39:38. > :39:45.after a training exercise in Brecon and that happened yesterday. He was

:39:46. > :39:55.in the Rifles regiment. Food and water in short supply,

:39:56. > :39:57.no electricity or access to health care and life constantly at risk

:39:58. > :40:00.from either violent and extreme so-called Islamic state militants

:40:01. > :40:03.or government shelling. Life for people who live

:40:04. > :40:05.in Fallujah, a town in Iraq which has been

:40:06. > :40:08.under IS control for longer Since the siege of Fallujah began,

:40:09. > :40:11.we've been bringing you regular updates on what's happening

:40:12. > :40:14.to the families who live there. Last month the Iraqi government

:40:15. > :40:16.managed to retake control 85,000 people have now fled

:40:17. > :40:21.the fighting in Falluja and one of the aid workers

:40:22. > :40:24.there has kept a video diary, for this programme, to show

:40:25. > :40:27.the impact the last two years has Dr Bernardita Gaspar has been

:40:28. > :40:34.working with the tens of thousands of people who have been forced

:40:35. > :40:36.to leave their homes he was heading with

:40:37. > :43:45.his mum to get medication when a

:43:46. > :45:26.shell fell down and exploded. Really moving footage, there. She

:45:27. > :45:31.will continue to update us and you on how things go for those who fled

:45:32. > :45:34.to the refugee camps, trying to escape horrific fighting and

:45:35. > :45:40.shelling in Falluja. One of the cities in Iraq that IS had taken

:45:41. > :45:44.over from 2014, but the Iraqi governor and now say they have

:45:45. > :45:52.retaken. Unemployment fell by 54,000, to 1.65

:45:53. > :45:56.million people between March and May, official figures just out show.

:45:57. > :45:58.Let's talk to the new Work and Pensions Secretary, Damian green.

:45:59. > :46:01.Good morning. Congratulations on your new job.

:46:02. > :46:07.How do you respond to today's figures? I'm delighted, they are

:46:08. > :46:10.excellent figures, not just the headline figures which means that

:46:11. > :46:14.the unemployment rate is below 5% for the first time in more than a

:46:15. > :46:17.decade, but if you drill down into them a bit, you will find that we

:46:18. > :46:25.have more women at work than ever before, we have got 18-24

:46:26. > :46:29.-year-olds' unemployment down to levels we have not seen for a long

:46:30. > :46:35.time. Employment has gone up in every part of the country. It is not

:46:36. > :46:39.just a London and south-east phenomenon. This is employment going

:46:40. > :46:41.all around the country which is great news for thousands and

:46:42. > :46:46.millions of people all around the country. I think I am right in

:46:47. > :46:50.saying that unemployment is at its lowest rate in a decade. I wonder if

:46:51. > :46:55.that is going to change now in your view, that we have voted for Brexit?

:46:56. > :47:00.That is clearly the big challenge we have coming up. There's a lot of

:47:01. > :47:05.uncertainty surrounding Britain and our place in the world and that is

:47:06. > :47:09.why, I think there are two points to make in response to that. Firstly,

:47:10. > :47:14.today's figures clearly show we have got the strongest possible platform

:47:15. > :47:18.to go into this new world and secondly, this is why, for example,

:47:19. > :47:22.the Prime Minister is flying off to see Angela Merkel later today. She

:47:23. > :47:29.is cracking on with the job of trying to restore certainty so that

:47:30. > :47:32.we can have a successful Brexit negotiation which will mean that we

:47:33. > :47:35.can build on this very strong economic platform we have had, to

:47:36. > :47:40.make Britain open to the whole world, including what will be our

:47:41. > :47:45.former partners in the EU. That is clearly a vital task ahead in our

:47:46. > :47:48.government. You wanted Britain to stay in the EU and you issued

:47:49. > :47:51.warnings in the run-up to the referendum. I want to check if you

:47:52. > :47:56.stand by them now we have voted to leave. On May the 24th, you said,

:47:57. > :47:59."We will have lower economic growth. That means jobs will be under

:48:00. > :48:04.threat, prices would rise and funding for local schools and

:48:05. > :48:09.hospitals would fall". Of course, I stand by what I said, and therefore,

:48:10. > :48:13.that is why it is so important. We have had the referendum and my side

:48:14. > :48:17.lost. We have got to get on with the new reality. The British people have

:48:18. > :48:23.spoken and one of the key tasks for the new government is precisely to

:48:24. > :48:28.look at what could go wrong and stop it happening and make sure that we

:48:29. > :48:33.do everything we can, both in terms of the Brexit negotiations but also

:48:34. > :48:37.in terms of signing new trade deals with the rest of the world and in

:48:38. > :48:42.other ways, making Britain an attractive place for people to

:48:43. > :48:45.continue to come and create jobs. One of the things we have been very

:48:46. > :48:50.good at in recent years is attracting inward investment. We

:48:51. > :48:56.need to keep doing that. I think that is a key task. You are a former

:48:57. > :48:59.Home Office minister. Where are the Conservatives now on your manifesto

:49:00. > :49:07.pledge to bring down net migration to the tens of thousands? Well, we

:49:08. > :49:12.are precisely there. We have said that... Indeed, the new Home

:49:13. > :49:13.Secretary, Amber Rudd said yesterday, she wanted to bring

:49:14. > :49:19.immigration down to sustainable levels. Yes, that's why I was

:49:20. > :49:24.asking, do sustainable levels still mean in the tens of thousands? Yes

:49:25. > :49:29.it does. Clearly, it is going to be a long and difficult task. We have

:49:30. > :49:33.seen what is happened because we are such an attractive country to work

:49:34. > :49:36.in, you know, with 90% of the workforce being UK nationals but

:49:37. > :49:43.other people come here to work as well. Actually, making sure we have

:49:44. > :49:48.got the right balance and that we do get net immigration down to the tens

:49:49. > :49:51.of thousands is a long task. Clearly, that is one of the key

:49:52. > :49:58.elements of the negotiations we will be having with the other countries

:49:59. > :50:02.in the EU, to make sure that we have our immigration system in balance as

:50:03. > :50:06.well as all the economic negotiations we will have to have.

:50:07. > :50:10.You will know the Foreign Secretary said we should not have a target at

:50:11. > :50:15.all because it will only lead to "Disappointing people". We said what

:50:16. > :50:21.we said in the manifesto and we will stick to that. The use of the word

:50:22. > :50:24.sustainable is the same thing. We have said that is the kind of

:50:25. > :50:33.sustainable level, not only in terms of our economy, but also in terms of

:50:34. > :50:38.the wider social elements. I always said when I was Immigration Minister

:50:39. > :50:43.years ago that it is a numbers game to some extent and if things change

:50:44. > :50:46.too fast, if people's neighbourhoods change too quickly, that is when

:50:47. > :50:50.they feel insecure and that is when you get the risk of social tensions.

:50:51. > :50:55.Obviously, we want to avoid anything like that. Final question, in your

:50:56. > :50:58.time in a Home Office, you brought in what are called sexual risk

:50:59. > :51:02.orders and yesterday, I spoke to a father from Yorkshire, John O'Neill,

:51:03. > :51:05.who has had one of these orders imposed on him and what it means is

:51:06. > :51:10.that he is banned from having sex with any new partner unless he gives

:51:11. > :51:11.the police 24 hours notice. This is what he said yesterday.

:51:12. > :51:14.I have to give... name, address and date of birth.

:51:15. > :51:19.Of any woman that I intend to have any sexual contact with.

:51:20. > :51:25.What does it include? Oh, it's ridiculous.

:51:26. > :51:27.Sexual conversation would be included.

:51:28. > :51:36.What would they do with that information?

:51:37. > :51:41.OK, in theory, there's a disclosure document.

:51:42. > :51:45.And what they do is, they'll go around and say

:51:46. > :51:48."Mr O'Neill is subject to something called a Sexual Risk Order.

:51:49. > :51:53.He is considered to be potentially dangerous".

:51:54. > :51:56.Then they ask that woman to sign a form and leave, and that's it.

:51:57. > :52:00.So can you imagine the horror of that?

:52:01. > :52:03.You've just met someone and you're at the point where

:52:04. > :52:06.you're deciding whether to date, and then that happens.

:52:07. > :52:09.Convicted criminals don't get these types of orders.

:52:10. > :52:21.I'm not going to ask you about the individual case, clearly but I want

:52:22. > :52:25.to ask you about the principle. How can it be fair to impose this on

:52:26. > :52:31.someone who has done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, who is not a

:52:32. > :52:37.Bremen, who is an innocent man? It is all about protecting women and in

:52:38. > :52:40.particular, children. -- not a criminal. That is the purpose of

:52:41. > :52:47.these orders. Again, I can't comment on the individual case. But the

:52:48. > :52:52.principle is how is this fair? The orders are granted by a court. They

:52:53. > :52:55.are not done by the police. I know, a magistrate court, how can it be

:52:56. > :53:05.fair to impose someone on someone who has done nothing wrong? -- to

:53:06. > :53:09.impose one. If it serves to protect, innocent women, and particularly,

:53:10. > :53:15.children, they are granted by the courts if they perceive a risk and

:53:16. > :53:20.therefore, we are protecting women. I think many people would think,

:53:21. > :53:26.given what we have discovered over recent years, that measures that can

:53:27. > :53:29.protect women are well worth while having as part of the armoury for

:53:30. > :53:37.the courts. Thank you for joining us. Damian Green, the new Work and

:53:38. > :53:39.Pensions Secretary. As summer holidays get

:53:40. > :53:47.As summer holidays get underway - there are fears that a new wave

:53:48. > :53:50.of girls from the UK will be taken abroad by their parents to undergo

:53:51. > :53:53.FGM involves cutting off the female genitalia,

:53:54. > :53:57.either partially or totally, and is sometimes also

:53:58. > :54:03.There are around 137,000 women and girls affected by FGM

:54:04. > :54:05.living in Britain - with the highest prevalence in

:54:06. > :54:09.And on top of that, it's estimated that 60,000 women and girls

:54:10. > :54:16.illegal to take someone abroad to have the procedure carried out.

:54:17. > :54:19.Though so far there have been no convictions in the UK.

:54:20. > :54:21.If a professional like a doctor, nurse or social worker suspects

:54:22. > :54:25.a girl under 18 has been through FGM they are required to report it

:54:26. > :54:28.And now for the first time the UN has labelled the practice

:54:29. > :54:36.Our Global Health correspondent Tulip Mazumdar has been looking

:54:37. > :54:38.at what's being done here and abroad to combat it.

:54:39. > :54:40.Her report contains upsetting and graphic details

:54:41. > :54:43.about the practice so you will want to make sure you do not have

:54:44. > :54:51.In front of you is the girls school, ready to recite a poem.

:54:52. > :55:00.Most of these girls ran away from home because they were about to be

:55:01. > :55:09.In some tribes, the tradition where parts of a girl's genitals

:55:10. > :55:14.are removed marks the point the child becomes a woman.

:55:15. > :55:24.She was later told she was now a woman and that she had to marry

:55:25. > :55:42.They do that act, in a small corner, so they call the girl.

:55:43. > :55:44."So you sit, if you are not a coward, girl".

:55:45. > :55:48.Yes, if you are not a coward, just sit there.

:55:49. > :55:52.And after that act, you will be given a prize.

:55:53. > :55:54.What was the prize? What did you get?

:55:55. > :56:04.You feel like you are going to faint.

:56:05. > :56:16.All of these girls risked their lives by running away

:56:17. > :56:23.They are no longer at risk of being mutilated and crucially,

:56:24. > :56:29.these girls won't go on to harm their own daughters.

:56:30. > :56:32.Agnes, who runs the rescue centre and school, is trying to stamp out

:56:33. > :56:38.the brutal custom in her ancient Masai community.

:56:39. > :56:41.She introduced me to women in a nearby village,

:56:42. > :56:45.including a former cutter, who did a demonstration

:56:46. > :56:59.So you scrape the side of it and take off the clitoris, here.

:57:00. > :57:06.It emerged the cutting used to happen right where we stood.

:57:07. > :57:09.It is difficult to imagine how terrifying this experience

:57:10. > :57:24.Kenya banned female genital mutilation in 2011.

:57:25. > :57:27.The UN's Agency for Children says young girls are far less likely

:57:28. > :57:35.TRANSLATION: This is a tradition that is very important

:57:36. > :57:39.Otherwise, the girls would want sex all the time.

:57:40. > :57:42.We are not allowed to do it any more.

:57:43. > :57:44.Otherwise I would cut my seven-year-old daughter

:57:45. > :57:49.These attitudes are not just found in remote,

:57:50. > :57:54.traditional parts of sub-Saharan Africa.

:57:55. > :58:00.Girls who live in some communities in the UK are also being cut.

:58:01. > :58:02.That is why Operation Limelight is underway at London's

:58:03. > :58:08.Have you ever heard about FGM, female genital mutilation?

:58:09. > :58:11.It's just raising awareness with people...

:58:12. > :58:13.Border police are patrolling departure lounges, trying to raise

:58:14. > :58:18.awareness about the practice, and telling people that female

:58:19. > :58:21.genital mutilation is illegal, including if you take a child out

:58:22. > :58:31.We are educating them about female genital mutilation but we are also

:58:32. > :58:34.looking at passengers that may have been of interest to us

:58:35. > :58:42.Become either a victim of female genital mutilation and we might talk

:58:43. > :58:44.to them when they come back into the country

:58:45. > :58:52.This woman is travelling to Iran with her three children.

:58:53. > :58:55.She has given police several different stories about why

:58:56. > :58:58.she is taking her girls out of school early.

:58:59. > :59:00.After taking their details, the family is allowed

:59:01. > :59:11.It is very challenging because also, you don't want to assume that

:59:12. > :59:13.everybody is taking their child out for female genital mutilation.

:59:14. > :59:15.Some people are genuinely going on holiday and some people

:59:16. > :59:17.are just going abroad to see family members.

:59:18. > :59:20.So it is very, very challenging but we have to make sure

:59:21. > :59:26.Officers hope that by arming people with all the facts about female

:59:27. > :59:29.genital mutilation and how harmful it is, families will choose not

:59:30. > :59:37.Back in Kenya, in these deeply traditional, patriarchal

:59:38. > :59:40.communities away from the big, cosmopolitan cities,

:59:41. > :59:42.many men still demand that women are cut.

:59:43. > :59:54.We are on our way to meet a traditional Masai tribe

:59:55. > :00:02.who are fighting against female genital mutilation is

:00:03. > :00:05.They are refusing to marry any girl who has been cut.

:00:06. > :00:16.These young men travel all around the country with one clear message:

:00:17. > :00:23.We use it as a way to bring the youth together, to bring

:00:24. > :00:26.the community together and spread the messages,

:00:27. > :00:30.and tell them that female genital mutilation is not that important.

:00:31. > :00:41.In the dormitories, Jane is feeling hopeful about her future.

:00:42. > :00:43.What do you want to do with your life?

:00:44. > :00:56.I want to study well now and I want also to go to the National School

:00:57. > :01:01.and also I want to go to a big university in Kenya.

:01:02. > :01:14.So, I say, I like to study, study hard, so that one day,

:01:15. > :01:23.one time, I will stand for these girls and I will fight

:01:24. > :01:27.There are still many hurdles ahead but also,

:01:28. > :01:30.high hopes that young girls in Kenya today will become the first

:01:31. > :01:47.generation to be spared the brutal cut.

:01:48. > :01:54.Here is the weather. Sheer is Stav. What a scorcher yesterday. These

:01:55. > :02:05.were the highest temperatures across the UK. Cardiff saw a 32 Celsius.

:02:06. > :02:09.Making it the hottest day of the year for many places, but had to

:02:10. > :02:16.end. It has gone off with a bang across northern and western areas.

:02:17. > :02:18.You can see a first line of thunderstorms which produced the

:02:19. > :02:21.lightening strike through the night. This batch of thunder and lightening

:02:22. > :02:25.and torrential rain has been moving up through the Irish Sea, through

:02:26. > :02:29.Wales and north-west England and in towards central and Southern

:02:30. > :02:32.Scotland. It produced atrocious driving conditions and hail, gusty

:02:33. > :02:36.winds and frequent lightening. This is going to continue through the

:02:37. > :02:40.course of the day. Mainly across northern England and ins towards

:02:41. > :02:44.Scotland. Thunder and lightening and later through the afternoon some

:02:45. > :02:47.thunderstorms, isolated, developing through the Midlands and towards

:02:48. > :02:50.south-east England. Generally speaking, cooling down trend across

:02:51. > :02:55.northern and western areas. Certainly Scotland and Northern

:02:56. > :02:58.Ireland, but another day of height wave conditions a-- heatwave

:02:59. > :03:01.conditions. The showers and thunderstorms across eastern areas

:03:02. > :03:04.continue for a while this evening and become more located and

:03:05. > :03:08.overnight, most places dry and clear. A bit cool and fresher than

:03:09. > :03:11.it was last night, but muggy across England and Wales. For Thursday,

:03:12. > :03:31.Friday, turning cooler for all. The Labour Party will split if

:03:32. > :03:35.Jeremy Corbyn stays on as leader. That claim biowent Smith. If we

:03:36. > :03:39.carry on the trajectory we have been on, it will split. I went to see

:03:40. > :03:43.Jeremy on three occasions and said you have got to realise this party

:03:44. > :03:49.is teetering on the brink of extinction. We will ask Labour MPs

:03:50. > :03:56.if they agree. Calm down, dear. Calm down.

:03:57. > :03:59.Listen... Listen to the doctor! I know there is one very big

:04:00. > :04:04.difference. I lead my party, he follows his!

:04:05. > :04:13.Of course, he hates higher standards. Of course, he hates

:04:14. > :04:18.opportunity. He's socialist. It is a long time since we had quite

:04:19. > :04:26.a tantrum from the Prime Minister. It is Theresa May's turn to face the

:04:27. > :04:37.House of Commons in for the first time as Prime Minister.

:04:38. > :04:40.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:04:41. > :04:43.The Labour leadership challenger Owen Smith has told this programme

:04:44. > :04:45.that the party is "teetering on the brink of extinction".

:04:46. > :04:47.Mr Smith said if the party continued

:04:48. > :04:50.with the trajectory it was on, he believed that it would split -

:04:51. > :04:59.If we split, we will be destroyed. That's why we need to heal the

:05:00. > :05:03.Labour Party. That's why we need a change in leadership at the top.

:05:04. > :05:07.That's why we need me to lead Labour and bring us all back together. We

:05:08. > :05:10.have always been a coalition, Victoria, different prospectives

:05:11. > :05:14.across the Labour movement, but when we are strong, it is when we are

:05:15. > :05:18.united and at the moment, we are divided and divided parties do not

:05:19. > :05:24.get elected. Divided parties are not trusted by the British public and

:05:25. > :05:26.that is why Jeremy needs to move aside and given that he has refused

:05:27. > :05:31.to do that, he has to be challenged. Theresa May will take part in her

:05:32. > :05:33.first session of Prime Minister's After her appearance

:05:34. > :05:37.in the Commons at noon - Mrs May will then travel to Germany

:05:38. > :05:40.for talks with the German The two leaders will discuss

:05:41. > :05:44.the time frame for the UK's withdrawal from the European Union

:05:45. > :05:46.and future trade relations. Tomorrow, Mrs May will

:05:47. > :05:49.travel to Paris for talks Meanwhile Downing Street says the UK

:05:50. > :05:52.will relinquish its upcoming six-month presidency

:05:53. > :05:53.of the European Council The presidency

:05:54. > :05:57.of the council rotates among Theresa May confirmed the decision

:05:58. > :06:00.during a conversation with the council president Donald

:06:01. > :06:01.Tusk. Mr Tusk told the Prime Minister

:06:02. > :06:04.he will help make the UK's exit from the EU to happen

:06:05. > :06:16."as smoothly as possible". A soldier has died while

:06:17. > :06:18.on a training exercise yesterday The Ministry

:06:19. > :06:22.of Defence said the soldier Earlier this year, the MOD

:06:23. > :06:25.was censured over the deaths of three Army reservists

:06:26. > :06:38.in the Brecon Beacons, Live to Cardiff and our

:06:39. > :06:41.correspondent Hywel Griffiths. We can't escape the parallels, can we,

:06:42. > :06:46.yesterday the hottest day of the year. Is there any suggestion at

:06:47. > :06:51.this stage that the soldier's death was linked to the hot conditions?

:06:52. > :06:55.All we know from the MoD at the moment is they have said one soldier

:06:56. > :06:58.did die yesterday on manoeuvres on the Brecon Beacons. The soldier

:06:59. > :07:03.hasn't been identified. We know only that he is from the infantry

:07:04. > :07:08.training centre in Catterick. He was on a precourse training. So not

:07:09. > :07:12.actually on a full selection test. But preparing for, a course on the

:07:13. > :07:16.Brecon Beacons. Now, it was the hottest day of the year on the

:07:17. > :07:20.Brecon Beacons yesterday and that has echoes of what happened three

:07:21. > :07:27.years ago when three Army Reservists died while on a similar training

:07:28. > :07:31.manoeuvre, what is known locally as the fan dance where people walk for

:07:32. > :07:35.several hours carrying heavy packs. The MoD said that it made changes to

:07:36. > :07:40.the way people are trained, the checks that are in place including

:07:41. > :07:44.what happens when the weather temperature rises. However, we wait

:07:45. > :07:48.to hear from the MoD what was the cause of death from this soldier and

:07:49. > :07:55.whether it was heat related. Hywel, thank you.

:07:56. > :08:03.More at 10.30am, back to you Victoria.

:08:04. > :08:09.Thank you for your pictures. I'm not sure I asked for as many as the ones

:08:10. > :08:16.you sent me, but thank you! One owner didn't leave their name sent

:08:17. > :08:21.this picture of her dog, Phoebe. So how is she staying cool? She is

:08:22. > :08:33.staying in a chair with a bib on. I don't know how that would make her

:08:34. > :08:41.cool. Wendy and her cat. This is Lendy. This is like YouTube! I said

:08:42. > :08:47.animals that were cooling down! David and his dog Lexie.

:08:48. > :08:51.That's a dog who has been to the vets! I feel sorry that we've shown

:08:52. > :08:54.that poor dog on national television!

:08:55. > :08:58.Thank you. Thank you. Finally, finally, a dog that's cool under a

:08:59. > :09:02.brolly, thank you for those. Get in touch throughout the morning.

:09:03. > :09:12.Well it was a disappointing end to a thrilling Investec Test Match

:09:13. > :09:19.last Sunday as Pakistan beat England by 75 runs at Lord's.

:09:20. > :09:21.Their talisman was the spinner Yasir Shah who took ten wickets

:09:22. > :09:24.but there are some shoots of optimism for England,

:09:25. > :09:26.including batsman Jonny Bairstow and his great form this year.

:09:27. > :09:32.I spoke to him earlier to look ahead of the Second Test on Friday.

:09:33. > :09:38.We're going into the next two days of training, really excited. We know

:09:39. > :09:44.there is a lot of hard work to be done and we have seen the skills on

:09:45. > :09:48.show from Pakistan. So we know the assets they have got. We have got to

:09:49. > :09:51.counter act them and we have got to work hard, but it is an exciting

:09:52. > :09:55.time for English cricket. Over the last 18 months we have done a lot of

:09:56. > :09:59.exciting things and come back from losses previously. So yeah, going

:10:00. > :10:04.into the Old Trafford test the crowd will be fantastic, very different to

:10:05. > :10:09.Lords. And it is an exciting place to come and play. You've got the

:10:10. > :10:13.return of James Anderson, Ben Stokes and Rasheed what, do you think they

:10:14. > :10:17.will bring to the line-up if they are in the starting 11? Yeah, I

:10:18. > :10:21.mean, it shows the massive strength and depth with English cricket to

:10:22. > :10:26.have those guys missing from the first Test and it is fantastic to

:10:27. > :10:31.have them back fit now and in the squad to be selected from for the

:10:32. > :10:38.next Test match. Jimmy, obviously, the world's, well England's highest

:10:39. > :10:45.ever wicket taker and Stokes, the skills that he shows with ball on

:10:46. > :10:48.bat and I'm delighted for my team-mate to come back and it is

:10:49. > :10:53.fantastic for Yorkshire and fantastic for him. On to you, when

:10:54. > :10:57.the match ended on Sunday, you scored 225 more runs in Test cricket

:10:58. > :11:01.than anyone else this year. Do you feel that you finally become a

:11:02. > :11:04.mature Test cricketer? I think there is still a long way to go, but I'm

:11:05. > :11:10.pleased with the way things are going at the moment. You only have

:11:11. > :11:16.to rewind perhaps well, less than 12 months and I wasn't in the test

:11:17. > :11:21.set-up. So after having those 18 months away from the test side, you

:11:22. > :11:27.go away and you learn your trade and you learn your cricket and put the

:11:28. > :11:31.hard graft in. It is never nice being dropped from a side. When you

:11:32. > :11:34.come back, you want to make the most of the opportunities. Keep working

:11:35. > :11:37.hard and keep striving to be better and not take anything for granted.

:11:38. > :11:41.Yeah, I'm pleased with the way the form is at the moment, but at the

:11:42. > :11:46.flick of a hat, form can change. So it is not to be taken for granted

:11:47. > :11:52.and everything happens if you keep working hard and keep doing the

:11:53. > :11:57.basics and the simple things well. Well, it is shaping up to be a

:11:58. > :12:04.fantastic series, there is full coverage from Old Trafford on BBC

:12:05. > :12:06.Radio 5 Live extra. You can follow the highlights on the BBC Sport

:12:07. > :12:15.website. I will be back with more sport

:12:16. > :12:18.later. Many of you tell us that the way

:12:19. > :12:23.politicians behave at Prime Minister's Questions can be a turn

:12:24. > :12:26.off to be honest, Punch and Judy politics combined with posturing and

:12:27. > :12:29.showing off. For the people taking part, it can be one of the

:12:30. > :12:33.nerve-wracking occasions of their career. The lead are of the

:12:34. > :12:38.opposition forgets I have been in this job for five days. I think...

:12:39. > :12:45.Don't ask me... There is one very big difference. I lead my party, he

:12:46. > :12:49.follows his! This grammar school boy is not going

:12:50. > :12:55.to take any lessons from that public schoolboy! Calm down, dear. Calm

:12:56. > :13:06.down. Listen... ..Our hard-won credibility,

:13:07. > :13:07.which we wouldn't have if we listened to the muttering

:13:08. > :13:10.idiot sitting opposite me. Of course he hates choice,

:13:11. > :13:13.of course he hates higher standards, It's a long time since he had quite

:13:14. > :13:25.such a tantrum from the Prime Minister

:13:26. > :13:27.at Prime Minister's Questions. And we not only saved the world -

:13:28. > :13:30.er, saved the banks... it's about time he told

:13:31. > :13:33.the Deputy Prime Minister Look, I know the honourable lady

:13:34. > :13:42.is extremely frustrated about, um... Maybe I should start

:13:43. > :13:47.all over again. Order, I say to the Children's

:13:48. > :14:00.Minister, try to calm down If you can't, if it's beyond you,

:14:01. > :14:08.leave the chamber. Many told me that they thought

:14:09. > :14:15.Prime Minister's Question Time was too theatrical, that Parliament

:14:16. > :14:18.was out of touch and too theatrical, and they wanted

:14:19. > :14:21.things done differently. But above all, they wanted

:14:22. > :14:25.their voice heard in Parliament. the Prime Minister's remarkable

:14:26. > :14:33.transformation in the last few weeks It might be in my party's interest

:14:34. > :14:47.for him to sit there. So I would say, for

:14:48. > :14:50.heaven's sake, man, go! and already, the Prime Minister

:14:51. > :14:54.is asking me the questions. This approach is stuck in the past,

:14:55. > :15:02.and I want to talk about the future. Nothing is really impossible

:15:03. > :15:09.if you put your mind to it. After all, as I once said,

:15:10. > :15:16.I was the future once. It is still the arena that sets

:15:17. > :15:24.the heart beating a little faster, and if it is, on occasions,

:15:25. > :15:28.the place of low skulduggery, it is more often the place

:15:29. > :15:31.for the pursuit of noble causes. I wish everyone, friend or foe,

:15:32. > :15:51.well, and that is that. Some really quite moving moments and

:15:52. > :15:55.a reminder of how being the leader of a party can really a Jew!

:15:56. > :16:01.Prime Ministers and Leaders of the Opposition have teams

:16:02. > :16:04.of people preparing them for the big day, writing gags and

:16:05. > :16:07.So what will be going through Theresa May's head

:16:08. > :16:11.As former leader of the Liberal Democrats, Lord Campbell

:16:12. > :16:14.was often at the dispatch box and says it was the worst part

:16:15. > :16:21.Also with us is Ayesha Hazarika whose full-time job for six years

:16:22. > :16:23.was preparing former Labour leader Ed Miliband and former interim

:16:24. > :16:26.leader Harriet Harman for PMQs, and Sean Worth, a former Downing St

:16:27. > :16:31.advisor who helped prepare David Cameron for PMQs.

:16:32. > :16:39.Why did you hate it so much as Jamaat good morning. Particularly

:16:40. > :16:42.because if you are leader of the third party, by the time the Leader

:16:43. > :16:46.of the Opposition has asked six questions, as he is entitled to,

:16:47. > :16:51.there's not much left for the third party to do. It is a bear garden,

:16:52. > :16:56.that is no doubt. Do people think it is the worst thing they've ever had

:16:57. > :17:00.to do in politics? Yes. I remember, David Cameron myself and Tony Blair

:17:01. > :17:03.are waiting to go out to the Senate and lay a proper macro was a pretty

:17:04. > :17:09.nerve wracking experience but -- lay a putted was pretty nerve wracking

:17:10. > :17:15.but nothing was as bad as prime and esters questions. -- lay a wreath.

:17:16. > :17:18.Also, if you are the official opposition or the government, about

:17:19. > :17:23.half the houses with you but if you are the third party, about five or

:17:24. > :17:27.is -- five sixths of the house is against you. The atmosphere has laid

:17:28. > :17:31.because when I went into the House of Commons first, it was twice a

:17:32. > :17:35.week for 15 minutes. As a result, there was less opportunity for the

:17:36. > :17:43.kind of bon mot and put-down you have just demonstrated in that clip.

:17:44. > :17:48.The other thing was, those were the days of Mrs Badger, who was

:17:49. > :17:52.imperious, as we saw. We were looking at cricket a moment or two

:17:53. > :17:57.ago and she just hit every ball for six that was produced. No doubt she

:17:58. > :18:00.commanded the House of Commons. When it came to Tony Blair, he was much

:18:01. > :18:05.more subtle but he was a great performer. Remember when he was at

:18:06. > :18:10.school, he was a keen amateur actor. Some of those qualities enabled him

:18:11. > :18:13.to perform so well at PMQs. It is a performance, as well as having the

:18:14. > :18:16.knowledge, trying to prepare the leader for questions that are going

:18:17. > :18:19.to come up because you don't know them in advance. You can make a

:18:20. > :18:28.decent guess, though. How do you prepare the leader a very long

:18:29. > :18:31.process and most leaders dedicate a long time to it and have a team that

:18:32. > :18:33.will dedicate a whole week to preparing for all of the kind of

:18:34. > :18:36.things that are happening. It is different when you are in opposition

:18:37. > :18:38.to when you are in government. When I was working with Ed Miliband and

:18:39. > :18:42.Harriet Harman in opposition, even though it seems like less work

:18:43. > :18:46.because you don't have to prepare for everything, you just asked the

:18:47. > :18:49.question is, you get judged a lot on the questions you asked and then the

:18:50. > :18:52.Prime Minister can come back at you on your record or something that

:18:53. > :18:57.someone from your party has said. You need to do two things. You need

:18:58. > :19:01.to prepare policies and statistics and an argument but then the

:19:02. > :19:06.finishing touches, the flourishes, you need to have prepared, a good

:19:07. > :19:11.line, anticipating an attack someone is going to make a new. What was the

:19:12. > :19:16.best line you came up with for Ed Miliband Harriet Harman? Harriet got

:19:17. > :19:19.photographed in her constituency wearing stab vest 48 hours before

:19:20. > :19:23.her first PMQs against William Hague, who was known for being witty

:19:24. > :19:26.and funny so we pre-empted he would mention something about it. We

:19:27. > :19:30.prepared a line saying, when it comes to advice on what to wear,

:19:31. > :19:35.we're not going to take advice from the man in the baseball cap. It

:19:36. > :19:38.really worked! A bit like in the clip we just saw, Michael Howard

:19:39. > :19:42.saying that the grammar schoolboy was not going to take advice from a

:19:43. > :19:48.public schoolboy. In terms of helping David Cameron, what kind of

:19:49. > :19:50.preparation did you do? I was not in the leader 's office doing the

:19:51. > :19:58.theatre or the rehearsals. I was a policy guide. I was doing the more

:19:59. > :20:02.boring bits, the areas of attack. The more important bits, really,

:20:03. > :20:05.that affect people's lives. What do we think Labour will attack us on

:20:06. > :20:10.what is our best response and put-down? But actually, the longer a

:20:11. > :20:13.Prime Minister stays in post, the more they just have it in their head

:20:14. > :20:18.anyway and the less they rely on you. It becomes more... I think

:20:19. > :20:21.Cameron was brilliant towards the end, as you saw. At the beginning,

:20:22. > :20:25.more dependent on some of the briefing. But it gets to the point

:20:26. > :20:29.where you need a good gag aura put-down. That gets the chamber

:20:30. > :20:34.going. And potentially what will be shown on the six o'clock news, ten

:20:35. > :20:39.seconds. You are clearly aware of that as you prepare the leaders.

:20:40. > :20:44.Were you aware that you might get 12 seconds on the six o'clock news or

:20:45. > :20:47.was it not in your mind? I had a real go at Blair on Iraq and about

:20:48. > :20:52.the fact we had instituted a debate in the House of Commons on Iraq and

:20:53. > :20:57.he was not going to take part in it. I obviously ruffled him up a bit and

:20:58. > :21:01.he came back with quite a sort of aggressive answer. I had a response

:21:02. > :21:06.for that. I can tell you, I had not correct it. Sometimes if you have

:21:07. > :21:10.the confidence, and I built up my confidence over a period, if you

:21:11. > :21:12.have got the confidence to do something off-the-cuff, it can be

:21:13. > :21:17.naturally more effective than something you have prepared for two

:21:18. > :21:23.and a half hours. These two are both nodding. You agree? Exactly right. I

:21:24. > :21:30.think the best lines are when you can see you can't possibly prepare

:21:31. > :21:34.for it. I think Theresa May, actually, people see her as quite a

:21:35. > :21:38.drive figure and she has come from the Home Office which is a very

:21:39. > :21:42.serious brief. But if you see her at events, like awards ceremonies and

:21:43. > :21:46.stuff, she is quite funny and witty. I think that side of her will come

:21:47. > :21:51.out more in this role. I will ask you all about Theresa May in a

:21:52. > :21:53.second but I want to show a couple of your... I thought we would come

:21:54. > :21:56.to this! Here they are. better asked of the right

:21:57. > :22:10.honourable gentleman. The Prime Minister will remember

:22:11. > :22:15.that six years ago, the then Secretary of State for Work

:22:16. > :22:17.and Pensions, now the Transport

:22:18. > :22:21.Secretary, told the House accurate and complete

:22:22. > :22:51.information about pensions. OK, we heard off-camera, noises off,

:22:52. > :22:56.someone saying "Declare your interests". What was going on? That

:22:57. > :23:05.was Eric Forth who was standing on the other side of the gangway to me.

:23:06. > :23:09.I used to have what I was going to say written down in very large type.

:23:10. > :23:15.He looked and he knew what was coming. The irony was, he is only

:23:16. > :23:19.about a year younger than me! If anyone had an interest in pensions,

:23:20. > :23:21.it was probably him just as much as anyone else. But that kind of

:23:22. > :23:26.intervention, if you are not expecting it, can be absolute leader

:23:27. > :23:31.stating. I think the other thing that is important is people said,

:23:32. > :23:34.let sanitised Jeremy Corbyn or Puncheon Judy politics but at the

:23:35. > :23:38.end of the day, I know PMQs is tough for anyone but it's a really

:23:39. > :23:41.important to be dropped the democracy. Nowhere else in the world

:23:42. > :23:46.does the Prime Minister have to be held to account in this way. I think

:23:47. > :23:49.it is quite an important part of British culture because debating is

:23:50. > :23:55.really a board. Yes, it gets a bit rowdy but if you want to lead the

:23:56. > :23:59.country and the party, you have to show you can cut it in the chamber.

:24:00. > :24:03.Yes, I don't think many would disagree with that and I know from

:24:04. > :24:06.Mike 's period on the radio and on this programme, what people get

:24:07. > :24:11.irritated about, what voters get irritated about is the fact that

:24:12. > :24:14.people don't answer questions. -- my experience. It's so frustrating and

:24:15. > :24:18.it might be a legitimate question and whoever is being asked it does

:24:19. > :24:25.not answer it a lot of the time. Do you tell them not to answer

:24:26. > :24:28.questions? Sometimes yes, because in a way, your boss is very exposed.

:24:29. > :24:33.It's a bit like coming on to do the Today programme or an interview like

:24:34. > :24:36.this, if there's a really difficult question, I'm afraid people will

:24:37. > :24:45.give an answer which does not leave them completely vulnerable. That is

:24:46. > :24:48.a about politics. There is an issue about this, one former minister said

:24:49. > :24:51.at one occasion when he was in the Treasury, he was asked a question to

:24:52. > :24:55.which the truthful answer might have had an enormous impact on the

:24:56. > :25:02.markets and in particular on the value of the pound. His dilemma was

:25:03. > :25:05.to answer it truthfully and have this extraordinary impact or try to

:25:06. > :25:09.avoid answering it altogether. That is what he did. Otherwise, the

:25:10. > :25:12.consequences of the question and the answer could have been very

:25:13. > :25:15.disastrous. Fair enough. Thank you for joining us. And thanks for your

:25:16. > :25:18.patience this morning. If you tell a lie on

:25:19. > :25:21.an insurance claim - That's what the Supreme Court has

:25:22. > :25:25.been looking at this morning and in the last half hour, they've

:25:26. > :25:28.made a ruling that's expected to change the law relating

:25:29. > :25:31.to fraudulent claims. The case they've been looking

:25:32. > :25:35.at is very specific. It's about a flooded

:25:36. > :25:40.engine room on a ship. But the court's decision will change

:25:41. > :25:44.the way all insurance claims work. Our legal eagle Clive Coleman

:25:45. > :25:52.is at the Supreme Court. Clive, firstly, tell us about the

:25:53. > :25:57.specific case to do with this big ship that had flooded engine room.

:25:58. > :26:03.Absolutely, this was a dredging ship. There was a flooded engine

:26:04. > :26:07.room. A number of different causes for why it got flooded. An insurance

:26:08. > :26:11.claim was put in and on behalf of the owners, a lie was told

:26:12. > :26:15.essentially to speed up the claim. But the lie was irrelevant to the

:26:16. > :26:20.cause of the damage. The claim itself -- and the claim itself. If

:26:21. > :26:24.you like, the lie was dishonest but the claim was not. The significance

:26:25. > :26:28.is this. What the Supreme Court have done this morning in a landmark

:26:29. > :26:34.judgment is to change a principle of insurance law which had allowed

:26:35. > :26:39.insurance companies to point to what is known as a collateral lie, so, a

:26:40. > :26:43.lie made in support of an honest and valid claim and said because of that

:26:44. > :26:49.one lie, they are going to reject the entire claim. What the court

:26:50. > :26:54.have said today is that in those circumstances, the insurers can't

:26:55. > :26:58.reject the claim. As I said, if the claim is valid and honest but the

:26:59. > :27:04.lie is dishonest, that does not now entitled the insurers to reject the

:27:05. > :27:08.claim. I should add that this does not affect what are genuinely

:27:09. > :27:11.fraudulent claims, so take the example of a stolen computer, if you

:27:12. > :27:16.put in a claim saying your computer has been stolen and it hasn't, that

:27:17. > :27:20.is fraudulent and will be rejected. If you claim that two computers have

:27:21. > :27:24.been stolen when only one has, that is fraudulent and will be rejected.

:27:25. > :27:27.We are talking about valid claims where people tell a lie or fabricate

:27:28. > :27:33.or perhaps produce a receipt in order to get the claim dealt with.

:27:34. > :27:40.I'm joined with Nigel Turner, a solicitor and expert in insurance

:27:41. > :27:45.law and also Kevin Trapp from money supermarket. This is a victory for

:27:46. > :27:49.the consumer? Yes, fascinating stuff and it's not often you can say that

:27:50. > :27:52.about insurance. It's a victory for the consumer is more valid claims

:27:53. > :27:56.get paid. But I think it is important to state, this is not a

:27:57. > :27:59.blank check for fraudsters. As you say, if you commit fraud, the

:28:00. > :28:05.insurance company will try to find it and it won't pay. But if you say,

:28:06. > :28:08.as you say, if you may be fabricate a receipt because you want to push

:28:09. > :28:10.the claim through faster, there's a good chance the insurance Company

:28:11. > :28:17.won't be able to throw it out and it will be paid. How have insurance

:28:18. > :28:20.company 's been behaving? We are no -- we know they are keen to clamp

:28:21. > :28:24.down on fraud and they always quote the figure of about ?1.3 billion at

:28:25. > :28:27.the annual amount of fraud they uncover in the UK each year. Have

:28:28. > :28:32.they been pouncing on these collateral lies, the full is receipt

:28:33. > :28:40.that supports a genuine claim, to reject claims? --. Receipt. They

:28:41. > :28:43.have formed an organisation which shares claims on fraudulent claims

:28:44. > :28:48.made in the past anyone who has made a claim which is fraudulent, their

:28:49. > :28:53.name will set lights flashing and they won't be offered insurance.

:28:54. > :28:57.Fraudulent claims, there's 2000 week. The aborted thing to recognise

:28:58. > :29:01.if it adds about ?50 per year to everyone's orange red and maybe ?20

:29:02. > :29:05.per year to home insurance so it's bad for everyone. We know a lot of

:29:06. > :29:09.claims are rejected, one in five household insurance claims, one in

:29:10. > :29:13.ten travel insurance claims. Some of those, one would assume, are being

:29:14. > :29:17.rejected because of these gilding the lily. Inevitably, people in all

:29:18. > :29:21.innocence are doing what they can to push a valid claim through. It has

:29:22. > :29:24.been found out by the insurance company and they have taken the

:29:25. > :29:28.opportunity to throw the claim out. That won't happen any more, thanks

:29:29. > :29:31.to what happened today. Nigel Turner, this is a significant change

:29:32. > :29:35.in insurance law. Mark O'Brien it's an important case for the industry,

:29:36. > :29:40.that's correct. It's got a far-reaching impact. Insurers, in my

:29:41. > :29:44.experience, take a very strong view in relation to fraud. Obviously,

:29:45. > :29:49.this case will have a bearing on that. They are going to have to be a

:29:50. > :29:54.bit more liberal, they are going to have to look at... If they think a

:29:55. > :29:59.receipt or something is dodgy, if it is essentially irrelevant to the

:30:00. > :30:03.value of a valid claim, they have to ignore it. If it is a valid claim,

:30:04. > :30:06.the ruling today said that if it is a valid claim and something has been

:30:07. > :30:11.produced to support that, then it does not have to be relied upon. If

:30:12. > :30:15.I'm a household and I've had a claim rejected on the basis of the fact

:30:16. > :30:19.that I have gilding the lily, perhaps provided some documentation

:30:20. > :30:24.that was. But my claim is valid, how do I resolved that with the insurer?

:30:25. > :30:32.You would have to take that up with a lawyer. Like myself! Wanting work

:30:33. > :30:35.to come your way? Instruct them to look into the background and

:30:36. > :30:41.potentially there is the ombudsman to investigate as well. There you

:30:42. > :30:47.have it. This is quite a significant change in insurance law. Anyone who

:30:48. > :30:52.is putting in a claim, I suppose the first piece of advice is don't gild

:30:53. > :30:56.the lily or make up the receipt, if you can possibly avoid it but if

:30:57. > :31:00.that has happened, and your insurer has said they are not going to pay

:31:01. > :31:04.out on the claim, you now have the legal ammunition to go back and say

:31:05. > :31:08.that the Supreme Court has said if the claim is honest and valid, even

:31:09. > :31:13.if you have told a lie, produced some. The meditation, you have --

:31:14. > :31:18.the insurer has to pay out. -- some. Documentation.

:31:19. > :31:21.The Labour Party will split if Jeremy Corbyn

:31:22. > :31:23.stays on as leader - that dramatic claim

:31:24. > :31:25.to us from Owen Smith - the man challenging him

:31:26. > :31:37.With the news here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

:31:38. > :31:47.The Labour leader mplgt ship challenger

:31:48. > :31:50.The Labour leadership challenger Owen Smith has told this programme

:31:51. > :31:52.that the party is "teetering on the brink of extinction".

:31:53. > :31:55.Mr Smith said if the party continued with the trajectory it was on,

:31:56. > :31:58.he believed that it would split and that was why he was standing.

:31:59. > :32:02.That's why we need to heal the Labour Party.

:32:03. > :32:05.That's why we need a change in leadership at the top.

:32:06. > :32:08.That's why we need me to lead Labour and bring us all back together.

:32:09. > :32:10.We've always been a coalition, Victoria, different prospectives

:32:11. > :32:12.across the Labour movement, but when we are strong,

:32:13. > :32:15.it is when we are united and at the moment, we are divided

:32:16. > :32:17.and divided parties do not get elected.

:32:18. > :32:19.Divided parties are not trusted by the British public

:32:20. > :32:23.and that is why Jeremy needs to move aside and given that he has refused

:32:24. > :32:28.Theresa May will take part in her first session of Prime Minister's

:32:29. > :32:31.After her appearance in the Commons at noon.

:32:32. > :32:34.Mrs May will then travel to Berlin for talks with the German

:32:35. > :32:38.The two leaders will discuss the time frame for the UK's

:32:39. > :32:40.withdrawal from the European Union and future trade relations.

:32:41. > :32:42.Tomorrow, Mrs May will travel to Paris for talks

:32:43. > :32:48.Downing Street says the UK will relinquish its upcoming

:32:49. > :32:49.six-month presidency of the European Council

:32:50. > :32:54.The presidency of the council rotates among the EU member states.

:32:55. > :32:56.Theresa May confirmed the decision during a conversation

:32:57. > :32:58.with the council president Donald Tusk.

:32:59. > :33:02.Mr Tusk told the Prime Minister he will help make the UK's exit

:33:03. > :33:09.from the EU to happen "as smoothly as possible".

:33:10. > :33:11.A soldier has died while on a training exercise yesterday

:33:12. > :33:14.The Ministry of Defence said the soldier was from

:33:15. > :33:20.Earlier this year, the MOD was censured over the deaths

:33:21. > :33:22.of three Army reservists in the Brecon Beacons,

:33:23. > :33:39.Unemployment fell to its lowest level for eight years,

:33:40. > :33:42.according to the latest figures for the second quarter of 2016.

:33:43. > :33:45.There were 1.65 million people out of work and seeking a job

:33:46. > :33:48.in the period between March and May this year - that's 54,000 fewer

:33:49. > :33:52.It's the lowest figure since 2008 and the lowest jobless percentage

:33:53. > :34:05.Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock.

:34:06. > :34:11.We asked you to send in your pictures of how your animals are

:34:12. > :34:16.staying cool in the hot weather. I'm never going to do this againment

:34:17. > :34:22.we've got Deborah's dog, Marly again. Let's try Marly first. Have

:34:23. > :34:31.we got Marly? Marly is a dude. Look at that. Shades and a hat. Deane's

:34:32. > :34:35.two cats, nice and in the shadement Andrew's dog, Bruno. Definitely

:34:36. > :34:44.cool. You see, that's what black dogs need to do, find a river, a

:34:45. > :34:48.stream anything like that. Irene's dogs Benson and Bridie, I think

:34:49. > :34:54.Irene should not be putting those caps on you! This is from Joe G, can

:34:55. > :35:02.you see this? This is Zilly enjoying an ice cream. Can you see that?

:35:03. > :35:07.Can you give dogs ice cream? You can now! Thank you very much for those.

:35:08. > :35:14.Keep them coming in. I'm going to bring you this news if I may. Jeremy

:35:15. > :35:16.Corbyn has won his bid to personally fight a legal action aimed at

:35:17. > :35:21.overturning the Labour Party's decision to guarantee him a place on

:35:22. > :35:24.the leadership ballot. Goodness me! There are more twists and turns in

:35:25. > :35:29.the Labour leadership contest. Jeremy Corbyn won his bid to fight a

:35:30. > :35:31.legal action aimed at overturning the Labour Party's decision to

:35:32. > :35:35.guarantee him a place on the leadership ballot. So he has got a

:35:36. > :35:38.legal battle going on and he has got a leadership contest going on.

:35:39. > :35:47.The International Olympic Committee is exploring its "legal options"

:35:48. > :35:49.before deciding whether to ban the entire Russia team

:35:50. > :35:53.Track and field athletes are already suspended but confirmation

:35:54. > :35:55.of state-endorsed doping means the IOC may impose

:35:56. > :36:00.Mark Cavendish has pulled out of the Tour de France

:36:01. > :36:02.and switched his focus to the Olympics.

:36:03. > :36:05.Rio will be his third Games and he's never won a medal.

:36:06. > :36:12.Tiger Woods won't be playing in next week's US PGA Championship,

:36:13. > :36:15.meaning he'll miss all four Majors in a year for the first

:36:16. > :36:22.Woods has plummeted to number 628 in the world.

:36:23. > :36:23.Steve Bruce says he's flattered to be considered

:36:24. > :36:31.The Hull City boss had "informal discussions" with the FA.

:36:32. > :36:34.He says he put his case across and hoped it

:36:35. > :36:39.And we will have more sport on BBC News throughout the day.

:36:40. > :36:50.As summer holidays get underway - there are fears that a new wave

:36:51. > :36:53.of girls from the UK will be taken abroad by their parents to undergo

:36:54. > :36:56.There are around 137,000 women and girls affected by FGM

:36:57. > :36:59.living in Britain - with the highest prevalence in

:37:00. > :37:03.And on top of that, it's estimated that 60,000 women and girls

:37:04. > :37:07.Our Global Health correspondent Tulip Mazumdar has been looking

:37:08. > :37:13.at what's being done here and abroad to combat it.

:37:14. > :37:28.Jane was later told she was now a woman and she had to marry a man in

:37:29. > :37:36.his 60s. They do that act. So you sit if you are not a coward girl. If

:37:37. > :37:39.you are not a coward? You just sit there for everyone to see you and

:37:40. > :37:45.after that act you will be given a prize. A prize? What was the prize,

:37:46. > :37:54.what did you get? A bull. A bull? Yeah. How did you feel afterwards?

:37:55. > :38:00.It was so difficult. You feel like you are going to faint, you want to

:38:01. > :38:12.cry, even running out of that home. Let's talk more about this

:38:13. > :38:15.with Hibo Wardere, the only FGM advisor employed by a local council

:38:16. > :38:17.in the UK. She is also the author of Cut:

:38:18. > :38:20.One Woman's Fight Against FGM in Britain Today which talks

:38:21. > :38:23.about her experience of FGM when she Also with us Alima Dimonekene

:38:24. > :38:26.who campaigns against FGM founder of Project Ace which supports women

:38:27. > :38:29.and girls affected by FGM. She has also advised

:38:30. > :38:38.the government on FGM issues. Why is FGM still so common? It's a

:38:39. > :38:41.cultural practise that has been in our generation for thousands of

:38:42. > :38:44.years especially when I speak from my side of the community. It has

:38:45. > :38:49.been there for more than 3,000 years. So it is very much set on

:38:50. > :38:54.heart and minds of our people. Right. In the last year, how many

:38:55. > :39:00.cases do you think you've dealt with in your job? Since I have been in my

:39:01. > :39:05.role in Waltham Forest I think we have seen more than 60 cases where

:39:06. > :39:11.mothers were given emotional and psychological support. Some were

:39:12. > :39:14.given advice on how not to commit this crime. They were given all

:39:15. > :39:19.kinds of information that's necessary for them to have in hand

:39:20. > :39:22.and we have seen many women who struggle with language and they

:39:23. > :39:25.didn't even understand this was illegal and it is hard for them to

:39:26. > :39:30.understand this is classed as child abuse which we were telling them it

:39:31. > :39:34.is classed as child abuse, in this country, it is classed as child

:39:35. > :39:40.abuse and it is affecting your health. It does affect your health.

:39:41. > :39:43.Your emotional well-being and your physical side, everything is

:39:44. > :39:46.affected by it. It is all about educating them and making them

:39:47. > :39:50.understand this can't be happening in the UK. Summer holidays, is a key

:39:51. > :39:54.time for obvious reasons, a long period of time when children are off

:39:55. > :39:57.school, that's when parents can take their children away for longer

:39:58. > :40:01.periods. It is important to point out that, yes, it is illegal in the

:40:02. > :40:05.k, it is illegal to take your child abroad for it? It is illegal to take

:40:06. > :40:08.your child away from the United Kingdom and also, there are many

:40:09. > :40:14.countries outside of the United Kingdom, a lot of countries in

:40:15. > :40:19.Africa, who have existing laws and in the US, Canada, all these

:40:20. > :40:23.countries have laws against FGM. But I think often communities that

:40:24. > :40:27.practise FGM don't know this information. So I think the campaign

:40:28. > :40:32.that the Government has got right now including the work of the

:40:33. > :40:35.police, social workers, sending the message out into communities, and

:40:36. > :40:40.also practitioners taking the lead in bringing the right information to

:40:41. > :40:45.families. Although, there are no convictions here in the UK? It is

:40:46. > :40:53.what it is, but I think we have komt a long way and a lot of good work

:40:54. > :40:59.has gone into preventing FGM, it is a matter of time. As campaigners we

:41:00. > :41:04.said you will not have a child going into a police station to report

:41:05. > :41:08.their parent as an abuser. In that case, sorry to interrupt. How do you

:41:09. > :41:12.let a girl of primary school age know that FGM is wrong, it should

:41:13. > :41:15.not be happening to her, it is against the law of this country?

:41:16. > :41:20.When I go to the schools, in secondary school, we are very blunt.

:41:21. > :41:24.We are very out there telling them what FGM, but when you go to primary

:41:25. > :41:33.school, this is young kids, the language has to change, we can't say

:41:34. > :41:38.like cut. We make them body aware. For me primary school is teaching

:41:39. > :41:41.them how to be body conscious. So what do you say? Tell me some of the

:41:42. > :41:45.phrases? Some of the things that I say to them, this is your body. Do

:41:46. > :41:51.you believe that anybody should do anything to do it? They are very

:41:52. > :41:55.vocal. Even at six years old, do you believe anybody should be touching

:41:56. > :41:58.any part of your body? They will say no, unless I say yes. I tell them

:41:59. > :42:07.sometimes if you go to the toilet, would you like to be helped and they

:42:08. > :42:11.say yes, I would like to be helped. I let them understand what kind of

:42:12. > :42:15.help they need. Should anything be happening to your body? Maybe if I'm

:42:16. > :42:21.sick the doctor is allowed to do something to my body. But what about

:42:22. > :42:24.the parents? We slowly build up to coming to the parents and we say

:42:25. > :42:28.what can your parents do? What do you think it is wrong of your parent

:42:29. > :42:31.to do? Some are vocal and saying I don't like my parent helping me to

:42:32. > :42:35.go to the toilet and doing my parents doing this and that. It is

:42:36. > :42:39.about making them own their own body and say this is your body and I

:42:40. > :42:42.think that's not something that should be happening to them and they

:42:43. > :42:47.understand that. How important are men in this conversation? Very

:42:48. > :42:52.important. In a lot of communities where this practise exists, it is

:42:53. > :42:57.built on a system of misogyny and it is getting men to get engaged in

:42:58. > :43:01.talking about what their wives, their daughters and their mothers

:43:02. > :43:05.even sometimes express because they see sometimes women in pain during

:43:06. > :43:10.childbirth or having men tral pain for example so it is important and

:43:11. > :43:15.the powers shift that men bring to the conversation also help and so we

:43:16. > :43:19.have seen areas that in countries like Kenya, Tanzania, where men have

:43:20. > :43:23.been vocal, you would see a drop in the prevalence of FGM because again,

:43:24. > :43:28.it is often said that this practise is done for men, but women are

:43:29. > :43:32.saying it is not in my name or I don't condone this practise, we

:43:33. > :43:38.often see the practise diminishing and it does in such a quick way

:43:39. > :43:42.which is why from us as a community level, and activists and campaigners

:43:43. > :43:47.are calling for the fathers, brothers, uncles, those who are in

:43:48. > :43:54.leading positions in the community to speak up about domestic violence.

:43:55. > :43:58.FGM falls within that category. It is violence against women and girls

:43:59. > :44:01.and we are happy that the Government's strategy is helping

:44:02. > :44:05.practitioners around the country to reinforce that message and I think

:44:06. > :44:07.is making sure that we all work collectively in addressing the

:44:08. > :44:11.issue. You said everyone knows the damage

:44:12. > :44:16.to a woman, to a girl, in terms of their physical health and their

:44:17. > :44:20.emotional health. I'm not sure everybody does and I wonder if you

:44:21. > :44:25.could tell people in frank terms, in candid terms what it can do to

:44:26. > :44:30.somebody? FGM comes in many different forms. One thing we have

:44:31. > :44:36.in common is first of all you have constant infections in your life.

:44:37. > :44:40.The whole again tale is gone which meant even after they have removed

:44:41. > :44:50.that, they have stitched you up and left you with a tiny hole. When you

:44:51. > :44:57.go to the toilet, your wee-wee is coming out of drop lets, you

:44:58. > :45:00.sometimes develop cysts, you have flashbacks, every time you are

:45:01. > :45:05.pregnant you are experience trauma, your men tral is a problem, they can

:45:06. > :45:09.cause pelvic problems which can lead to infertility. Emotional problems

:45:10. > :45:14.are there. Always you have betrayal issues with you. There is a lot of

:45:15. > :45:19.horrific things that come with this procedure that happens in half an

:45:20. > :45:24.hour, mainly one hour, but have a catastrophic impact on your life for

:45:25. > :45:29.life and psychologically you have flashbacks, when you're having a

:45:30. > :45:34.baby, you have problems of bleeding or tears. There is a lot, a lot

:45:35. > :45:39.comes with FGM. Yeah. Thank you both very much for coming

:45:40. > :45:40.on the programme. Thank you very much for your patience today, I

:45:41. > :45:51.really appreciate it. The Labour Party will split if

:45:52. > :45:55.Jeremy Corbyn stays on as its leader. That dramatic claim comes

:45:56. > :45:57.from the man who wants to be its leader, MP Owen Smith.

:45:58. > :46:01.If we carry on in the trajectory we have been doing, it will split.

:46:02. > :46:04.I went to see Jeremy on three occasions and said,

:46:05. > :46:06."You've got to realise that this party is teetering

:46:07. > :46:12.That is why we need to heal the Labour Party, that is why

:46:13. > :46:15.we need to change the leadership at the top.

:46:16. > :46:24.It is why we need me to lead Labour and to bring us all back together.

:46:25. > :46:30.So how inevitable is a split? Let's talk to three Labour MPs, all of

:46:31. > :46:31.whom back Owen Smith but they have different ideas over whether their

:46:32. > :46:34.party will split or not. With me is Nick Thomas-Symonds,

:46:35. > :46:37.MP for Torfaen, Catherine McKinnell, Newcastle North MP,

:46:38. > :46:47.and Alison McGovern, Thank you for joining us. Firstly,

:46:48. > :46:50.is Owen Smith right? He blames it on Jeremy Corbyn and if Jeremy Corbyn

:46:51. > :46:55.does not stand down, the party will split. I think there is an enormous

:46:56. > :46:58.risk of that happening. So Owen Smith could stand down and then the

:46:59. > :47:06.party wouldn't split? No, the opposite is the case. Owain is

:47:07. > :47:09.standing to unite the party. There's a catastrophic loss of confidence in

:47:10. > :47:14.Jeremy Corbyn's leadership but I think there is a risk of a split. I

:47:15. > :47:18.don't think that Jeremy is now in a position to unite the party. But I

:47:19. > :47:22.believe that Owen Smith is in that position. We have do have a United

:47:23. > :47:27.Labour Party, a United Labour Party in Parliament so we can take on the

:47:28. > :47:31.Tories and be in a position to win the general election. So there's a

:47:32. > :47:36.definite split from you if Jeremy Corbyn does not stand down.

:47:37. > :47:41.Absolutely not, I have always been Labour and I will be until the day I

:47:42. > :47:46.die. That is my position. But what I am saying to you is that we have do

:47:47. > :47:49.have a leader who can unite all the big beasts in the Parliamentary

:47:50. > :47:53.party and bring us together to be an effective opposition. In the history

:47:54. > :47:57.of our movement, it tells us that in the 1980s and 1930s, when we split,

:47:58. > :48:02.we do badly in general elections and we're not in a position to be in

:48:03. > :48:06.opposition to the government. If Jeremy Corbyn wins, will the Labour

:48:07. > :48:12.Party split, in your view? I'm not thinking ahead that far. I'm asking

:48:13. > :48:17.you to. I will contemplate now but ultimately, I'm focused on the 24th

:48:18. > :48:21.of September and getting us a leader that can properly unite the party

:48:22. > :48:24.and take us forward. You want that to be Owen Smith? The current

:48:25. > :48:28.situation is completely untenable and there has to be a change. It's

:48:29. > :48:31.not an option. We are now in a situation where we have a choice of

:48:32. > :48:36.two leaders, one that can unite the Parliamentary party, the members in

:48:37. > :48:41.the party, and take it out to the constituency as well. Ultimately,

:48:42. > :48:44.I'm reacting on the back not of my own views in Parliament by the views

:48:45. > :48:49.that are being expressed to me by members in my constituency and

:48:50. > :48:52.voters in my constituency that all say they voted Labour all their

:48:53. > :48:56.lives but they can't support the party under Jeremy Corbyn which is

:48:57. > :49:00.something we have to take seriously. I will ask you that question, if

:49:01. > :49:04.Jeremy Corbyn wins the leadership contest, I know you want Owen Smith

:49:05. > :49:08.to win but if Jeremy Corbyn wins, will the Labour Party split? Will

:49:09. > :49:13.you leave the Labour Party? I don't think so. Owen Smith is right to say

:49:14. > :49:15.we are in a very serious and precarious position but we have to

:49:16. > :49:20.go back to why the Labour Party exists at all. It is to make sure

:49:21. > :49:24.that ordinary working people in this country get their needs and

:49:25. > :49:27.interests served first. You know, look at what we have got going on in

:49:28. > :49:32.the country at the moment. Take the crisis in social care. We have got

:49:33. > :49:36.people doing highly skilled jobs on poverty pay and the only thing that

:49:37. > :49:40.will solve that is ordinary working people being represented by trade

:49:41. > :49:43.union representatives and then their representatives in Parliament

:49:44. > :49:47.changing the law to help them. That is what the Labour Party is for and

:49:48. > :49:51.if we can get back to that mission, then I think our future is secured.

:49:52. > :49:57.Owen is rightly point to the risk but the Labour Party has a purpose

:49:58. > :50:01.now and we need to be clear that. If Jeremy Corbyn wins, will you unite

:50:02. > :50:06.behind him? I think we will have to see in the next two months which is

:50:07. > :50:09.why I say... Whether he can put forward a credible way in which he

:50:10. > :50:13.is going to bring together all of the elements of the Labour Party so

:50:14. > :50:19.we can all pull in one direction but also... So Jeremy Corbyn, you are

:50:20. > :50:24.giving him a chance? But take the argument to the country as well. At

:50:25. > :50:26.the moment, so far, I'm supporting Owen Smith because he has put

:50:27. > :50:32.forward a very clear platform we can take to the country to deliver for

:50:33. > :50:37.the public... If Jeremy Corbyn wins, would you unite behind him? People

:50:38. > :50:40.like Catherine and Nick and others have tried to serve Jeremy on the

:50:41. > :50:44.front bench and it hasn't worked. He's not ready put forward any

:50:45. > :50:49.policies. I'm taking that as a no. We tried to make it work and I

:50:50. > :50:53.guess, what is the point of Labour politics if we can't get things for

:50:54. > :50:59.people as that is what we are full. So it has to be power? We have to

:51:00. > :51:03.being governed that otherwise what is the point? If Jeremy Corbyn does

:51:04. > :51:08.win the Labour leadership contest, will you support him? If that is the

:51:09. > :51:12.result and I don't think it will be but if it is, I will continue to

:51:13. > :51:16.serve my constituents in Parliament... But he won't support

:51:17. > :51:21.him? Are not saying that, I said I will accept the result but I'm

:51:22. > :51:25.saying I have expressed my view as regards my confidence in Jeremy

:51:26. > :51:29.Corbyn as the leader of the party and unless there was a dramatic

:51:30. > :51:32.change, there would have do become for me to go back to the front bench

:51:33. > :51:36.but I can serve the Labour Party in Parliament perfectly well in a

:51:37. > :51:39.number of ways. My first priority is always the constituent I am sent

:51:40. > :51:44.there to serve and I will continue to serve them with 100% passion as I

:51:45. > :51:50.would have done. Let me read you some comments from people around the

:51:51. > :51:53.country. Darren says, "Owen Smith is an absolute hypocrite. He talks

:51:54. > :51:56.about the party being divided and in need of reunited but is the only

:51:57. > :52:02.challenger to Corbyn so he's the one creating the division". Look, Jeremy

:52:03. > :52:06.Corbyn has been a member of Parliament for 32 years and for most

:52:07. > :52:12.of that time, he rebelled against the Labour whip, numerous times.

:52:13. > :52:15.Jeremy obviously believes it is right to speak up for what you

:52:16. > :52:20.believe in even if that means challenging the person who is on the

:52:21. > :52:27.front bench. That is clearly what he believes. I don't think that loyalty

:52:28. > :52:33.to the Labour Party is embodied in one person. We are a movement. Our

:52:34. > :52:38.loyalty as Nick just said is to our constituents and the country and the

:52:39. > :52:41.values of our party and movement. To be quite honest, I think Jeremy

:52:42. > :52:44.Corbyn would understand that as much as anyone else. What Owen Smith has

:52:45. > :52:48.done is put himself forward and say," we are in crisis and we need

:52:49. > :52:53.someone who can put forward arguments that are about power and

:52:54. > :52:57.getting ordinary people what they actually need to deal with the

:52:58. > :53:00.Brexit crisis". Do you feel any loyalty to the hundreds of thousands

:53:01. > :53:06.of members who voted for Jeremy Corbyn nine months ago? That blew

:53:07. > :53:10.absolutely. Really? I represent them in Parliament, they are my

:53:11. > :53:15.constituents, I meet regularly with them. There's a whole mixed range of

:53:16. > :53:18.views. There are people who supported Jeremy in the last

:53:19. > :53:21.leadership election because they believe in his values and they

:53:22. > :53:24.believe in what he stands for but they don't feel that he is able to

:53:25. > :53:29.lead the party, to bring the party together and it has ended up with

:53:30. > :53:33.internal conversations rather than a proper opposition to the

:53:34. > :53:36.Conservative government and the hope of a Labour government at the next

:53:37. > :53:42.general election. Ultimately, we have to listen, not just those who

:53:43. > :53:44.still want to have Jeremy Corbyn as leader but those who supported him

:53:45. > :53:49.last time but want a leader that can actually take the party forward but

:53:50. > :53:52.also, a huge number of members that did not support him, that have tried

:53:53. > :53:56.to get behind him but are very worried about the crisis we are now

:53:57. > :54:02.in. We need to find a way forward because ultimately, we are at a

:54:03. > :54:06.critical point as a country. That is what Jake says, "Owen Smith has

:54:07. > :54:09.divided the party in a time in a country needs some leadership and

:54:10. > :54:14.while the Conservatives unite, we argue". The leadership was already

:54:15. > :54:18.lacking and what Owen is trying to do is create leadership that we can

:54:19. > :54:22.take out to the members. It is up to the members now, do they want to

:54:23. > :54:26.take the party forward. They have a straight choice between Jeremy

:54:27. > :54:29.Corbyn or Owen Smith. At the moment, Owen Smith has put forward a policy

:54:30. > :54:32.platform that we can all get behind, that shows how we are going to

:54:33. > :54:38.deliver on the socialist values that we all share. Jeremy Corbyn, in ten

:54:39. > :54:41.months, has not delivered on the promises of his socialist ideals.

:54:42. > :54:47.None of it has been translated into practical policies. I speak to

:54:48. > :54:50.people all the time who voted for Jeremy Corbyn, some of whom say they

:54:51. > :54:54.still will and some of whom have changed their mind. I understand

:54:55. > :54:58.people wanted to recalibrate the Labour Party and they wanted to

:54:59. > :55:01.press reset. That's why we lost in the summer, those of us who

:55:02. > :55:06.supported different candidates. We have to listen to that view full

:55:07. > :55:11.stop that's fine. But Brexit was a massive wake-up call for a lot of

:55:12. > :55:14.people, I think. We believe in the values of cooperation and solidarity

:55:15. > :55:17.and that was why so many of us campaigned for us to stay in the

:55:18. > :55:23.European Union. If we can't succeed in communicating that message to a

:55:24. > :55:27.third of Labour voters, how are we going to win a general election?

:55:28. > :55:31.There was a moment when a lot of people woke up and thought, "This

:55:32. > :55:36.can't go on". Your back is against the wall so you have to change it

:55:37. > :55:40.and then we will move on. I read a tweet just before I came on air from

:55:41. > :55:45.one of my local Labour councillors and in it, he said, "I voted for

:55:46. > :55:49.Jeremy Corbyn last year, I was convinced by the anti-austerity

:55:50. > :55:53.message but I will now vote for Owen Smith as someone who can take that

:55:54. > :55:59.forward, go beyond the slogan, put some meat on to the bones with some

:56:00. > :56:02.actual policies". I think Owen Smith in the last ten days, I've heard

:56:03. > :56:05.more policy from him in ten days that I have heard in concrete form

:56:06. > :56:11.in the last ten months. Thank you for joining us.

:56:12. > :56:13.An infantry soldier has died in the Brecon Beacons in Wales.

:56:14. > :56:19.It's unclear whether or not he was on a training exercise.

:56:20. > :56:23.That was what was initially reported in the news earlier.

:56:24. > :56:31.In 2013, three soldiers died during an SAS training exercise

:56:32. > :56:35.in the Brecon Beacons on one of the hottest days of the year.

:56:36. > :56:37.With us now is our reporter Tomos Morgan to tell us more.

:56:38. > :56:43.Tell us what details you have been given so far. It is understood that

:56:44. > :56:48.this happened yesterday morning on the hottest day of the year so far.

:56:49. > :56:52.The individual from White is the Catterick died at around just before

:56:53. > :56:56.9am when the ambulance was called. They had the air ambulance and two

:56:57. > :57:00.other ambulances called to the training centre in the Brecon

:57:01. > :57:03.Beacons. He was on a pre-training course for the platoon sergeants

:57:04. > :57:06.battle core. That happened three times a year for the those soldiers

:57:07. > :57:12.who want to progress to the rank of Sergeant. It is not known, as we

:57:13. > :57:16.say, in what capacity the training was taking place, whether he was on

:57:17. > :57:20.his own part of a team. Is also not clear how the individual died. But

:57:21. > :57:25.we know the mountain rescue teams were not called to deal with this

:57:26. > :57:28.incident. The death comes, as you say, following another three deaths

:57:29. > :57:32.of soldiers which happened three years ago on the Brecon Beacons on

:57:33. > :57:39.the 13th of July 2013, again, the hottest day of the year, when Lance

:57:40. > :57:43.Corporal Edward Meer, Craig Roberts and Corporal James Dunsby sadly died

:57:44. > :57:46.after being involved in a 16 mile SAS training course across the

:57:47. > :57:52.Brecon Beacons. The coroner ruled following that death that neglect

:57:53. > :57:57.had played a part in the individual 's' deaths and the MOD were

:57:58. > :57:58.reprimanded for their involvement. The MP in neighbouring

:57:59. > :58:02.Montgomeryshire has tweeted this morning that this is another tragedy

:58:03. > :58:07.on a very hot day but as I say, it is unclear at the moment in terms of

:58:08. > :58:14.what capacity that training took place yesterday morning. Act-macro

:58:15. > :58:17.Tomos Morgan reporting. -- Thank you for joining us. . This tweet from

:58:18. > :58:21.penny on the state of the Labour Party, "Where is the evidence Jeremy

:58:22. > :58:24.Corbyn can't unite the Labour Party? He's never been the one trying to

:58:25. > :58:28.cause division". Thanks the your comment and your daft dog photos. We

:58:29. > :58:30.are back tomorrow at 9am. Have a You're coming across as, frankly,

:58:31. > :58:36.ridiculous.