26/07/2016

:00:09. > :00:11.Hello, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:12. > :00:13.welcome to the programme We'll have the latest from Japan,

:00:14. > :00:17.where 19 people have been stabbed to death at care home for people

:00:18. > :00:20.with mental disabilities in the city of Sagamihara.

:00:21. > :00:26.Customer data for sale, this programme has found that O2

:00:27. > :00:35.users information is being sold by criminals on the so called dark

:00:36. > :00:38.net - the part of the internet which is hidden and often used

:00:39. > :00:41.And we are talking to a former firefighter who was wrongly jailed

:00:42. > :00:44.for sexually assaulting a teenage boy 40 years ago, he was freed

:00:45. > :00:46.after his wife hired a private detective to prove

:00:47. > :01:02.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:01:03. > :01:05.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

:01:06. > :01:07.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text,

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:01:15. > :01:18.We particularly want to hear about Internet safety, we can put your

:01:19. > :01:21.questions to an expert later. At least 19 people have been killed

:01:22. > :01:25.and 20 injured, many seriously, in a knife attack at a care home

:01:26. > :01:29.in Japan. It happened at a centre for people with learning

:01:30. > :01:36.difficulties in the city of Sagamihara, 25

:01:37. > :01:38.miles west of Tokyo. A 26-year-old man, who used to work

:01:39. > :01:41.at the home, later turned These pictures show the massive

:01:42. > :01:45.response from the emergency services at the centre for disabled people

:01:46. > :01:49.where the attack happened. At 2:30am Japanese local time police

:01:50. > :01:52.say they were called by a member of staff who is said to have told

:01:53. > :01:54.them something horrible A man, armed with a knife,

:01:55. > :02:02.had started to attack residents, killing and injuring dozens

:02:03. > :02:06.of people at the home in the city of Sagamihara, about 40 kilometres

:02:07. > :02:14.south-west of Tokyo. A member of this man's

:02:15. > :02:21.family was a victim. TRANSLATION: I can't believe he has

:02:22. > :02:27.done something so cruel. There had been eight staff on duty

:02:28. > :02:30.at the centre, which houses 149 A 26-year-old man named in local

:02:31. > :02:34.media as Satoshi Uematsu He is said to have driven

:02:35. > :02:37.to a police station It's understood he is a former

:02:38. > :02:43.employee of the care home. The chief cabinet secretary in Japan

:02:44. > :02:46.said there was no evidence the attacker had any

:02:47. > :02:47.links to the so-called Islamic State group and a police

:02:48. > :02:55.investigation is underway. TRANSLATION: I sincerely pray

:02:56. > :02:58.for peace for the souls of those killed and extend condolences

:02:59. > :02:59.to the bereaved families Police are investigating the

:03:00. > :03:24.incident to get the whole picture. The suspect is reported to have told

:03:25. > :03:27.officers he wishes disabled Now the area around the centre

:03:28. > :03:30.remains cordoned off, as police try to understand one

:03:31. > :03:33.of the worst mass killings in Japan. These pictures show the massive

:03:34. > :03:41.response from the emergency services Brett Bull, from the Tokyo Reporter.

:03:42. > :04:05.This is unusual for Japan, to have 20 people killed or injured,

:04:06. > :04:12.that is significant. Why did this happen? You touched upon how he had

:04:13. > :04:22.gone to a member of Parliament, submitting a letter, desiring a

:04:23. > :04:30.world where it was possible to euthanise people with disabilities,

:04:31. > :04:35.because living in a home with a person who is disabled is very

:04:36. > :04:43.difficult. What reaction has there been so great? I am in Tokyo right

:04:44. > :04:45.now, I cannot sense a huge reaction. The reaction is on social media,

:04:46. > :04:50.Twitter, Facebook will stop a lot of outrage on Japanese social media.

:04:51. > :04:58.Thank you for updating us. day's news from Rebecca Jones in the

:04:59. > :05:05.BBC newsroom. America's first lady Michelle Obama

:05:06. > :05:10.has delivered a passionate endorsement of Hillary Clinton to be

:05:11. > :05:12.the next president She was speaking on the opening

:05:13. > :05:15.night of the Democratic Party's National Convention in Philadelphia

:05:16. > :05:18.- where Mrs Clinton's former rival, Bernie Saanders, also told his

:05:19. > :05:20.supporters to get behind her. The first day of the

:05:21. > :05:32.Democratic Convention. I hereby call the 47th quadrennial

:05:33. > :05:35.Democratic National Convention But even the gaveling

:05:36. > :05:41.was a struggle, that's because she was only the stand-in,

:05:42. > :05:44.called in a hurry to replace a woman The Chair of the Democratic National

:05:45. > :05:50.Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, faced a mutiny over leaked e-mails

:05:51. > :05:53.that showed the party had favoured She resigned before

:05:54. > :05:58.the day was over. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders may

:05:59. > :06:05.have started a movement even And we have got to elect

:06:06. > :06:21.Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine! All day across Philadelphia his

:06:22. > :06:25.supporters protested. In the evening they

:06:26. > :06:29.were still booing. But for him they cheered,

:06:30. > :06:31.so he tried again to get them onboard, giving

:06:32. > :06:33.Hillary Clinton his most forceful Hillary Clinton will make

:06:34. > :06:37.an outstanding president and I am Mrs Clinton was not on stage

:06:38. > :06:46.tonight, but there were plenty of people who were ready to vouch

:06:47. > :06:49.for her, her character Only one person who I believe

:06:50. > :06:55.is truly qualified to be President of the United States

:06:56. > :06:58.and that is our friend Hillary There may have been chaos

:06:59. > :07:05.and booing during the day, but there was also a lot

:07:06. > :07:08.of enthusiasm this evening The big question now is: will this

:07:09. > :07:12.will be enough to get the Democratic Kim Ghattas, BBC News,

:07:13. > :07:19.Philadelphia. The Bavarian government will discuss

:07:20. > :07:22.measures to strengthen its police force after recent attacks have

:07:23. > :07:26.raised questions over Germany's security.

:07:27. > :07:36.On Sunday evening a Syrian man set off a bomb outside a music festival

:07:37. > :07:39.in southern Germany, killing himself and wounding

:07:40. > :07:40.twelve other people. It follows other attacks

:07:41. > :07:43.across the country in which ten people have been killed and more

:07:44. > :07:45.injured in separate gun, Let's speak to our correspondent

:07:46. > :08:00.Richard Galpin who's Do we know what the Bavarian

:08:01. > :08:03.government will announce? Not much beyond the fact they are thinking

:08:04. > :08:08.about strengthening the police force, possibly giving them more

:08:09. > :08:15.equipment will stop one of the key question is, how to secure areas,

:08:16. > :08:19.keep the population safe. With the spate of attacks, four over the past

:08:20. > :08:25.eight days, people are understandably shocked and scared.

:08:26. > :08:29.Here, a small town, 40,000 people, they were never imagined they would

:08:30. > :08:34.have a suicide bomber blowing themselves up at this wine bar. For

:08:35. > :08:36.them, a key need to get reassurance from

:08:37. > :08:43.the government, that security forces are on top of the problem. We have

:08:44. > :08:47.heard from security forces, saying they have 400 leads on people they

:08:48. > :08:49.believe are potential extremists, linked to Islamist groups.

:08:50. > :09:00.across with the refugees in the past year, into Germany. Looking for a

:09:01. > :09:01.lot of people. As for the bombing there, they're trying to find if

:09:02. > :09:08.there are other accomplices. One person has been arrested, a friend

:09:09. > :09:10.of the bomber. Questions whether this person may have felt to build

:09:11. > :09:17.the bomb that was detonated in. The battle over the Labour

:09:18. > :09:19.leadership enters the courts this morning - with a legal challenge

:09:20. > :09:21.against the Labour Party brought by party donor

:09:22. > :09:24.and former MP, Michael Foster. He is contesting the decision

:09:25. > :09:26.by the party's national executive that Jeremy Corbyn should

:09:27. > :09:27.automatically stand in the leadership contest -

:09:28. > :09:30.without having to secure nominations The communications regulator, Ofcom,

:09:31. > :09:42.says BT's Openreach broadband operation should become a "distinct

:09:43. > :09:45.company" within the BT Group as part of reform proposals.

:09:46. > :09:46.However, it falls short of recommending a sell-off

:09:47. > :09:49.following criticisms of BT for poor customer service and a failure

:09:50. > :10:03.to invest. There are calls for a reduction

:10:04. > :10:06.in the number of prisoners given unspecified sentences,

:10:07. > :10:08.who continue to be held in jail beyond their minimum term.

:10:09. > :10:10.The new Chair of the Parole Board, has suggested changing the test

:10:11. > :10:13.which determines when prisoners in England and Wales can be

:10:14. > :10:15.safely let out. There are more then three-thousand

:10:16. > :10:17.prisoners who have completed their minimum term but remain locked

:10:18. > :10:24.up. It is now safe for pregnant women

:10:25. > :10:28.and the elderly to to eat raw eggs, a food safety committee has

:10:29. > :10:31.recommended. Up until now they were warned

:10:32. > :10:33.against eating them because of the risk

:10:34. > :10:36.of food poisoning. A report by a food safety committee

:10:37. > :10:39.says there is a "very low" risk of salmonella from UK eggs

:10:40. > :10:42.which have been produced under It's recommending that the Food

:10:43. > :10:51.Standards Agency changes its advice. The first solar-powered

:10:52. > :10:55.round the world flight The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two,

:10:56. > :11:29.landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months It is powered by 17,000 solar cells,

:11:30. > :11:32.and is Mehmedi is car. -- no heavier than a car

:11:33. > :11:47.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:11:48. > :11:50.use the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text, you will be charged

:11:51. > :11:56.We will be talking about Internet safety, if you have issues or

:11:57. > :12:04.worries, get in touch. We start with Russia's involvement

:12:05. > :12:09.in the Olympic games, seven Russian swimmers have been banned, the IOC

:12:10. > :12:13.said International federations have to decide whether Russian athletes

:12:14. > :12:18.can compete. Athletes have been arriving in Rio, unsure whether they

:12:19. > :12:23.can compete in the games. Only archery, tennis, volleyball have

:12:24. > :12:28.cleared Russian participants. The governing body of swimming said they

:12:29. > :12:32.will retest samples taken from Russian swimmers at the 2015

:12:33. > :12:38.championships, as more firms could follow. It was as close to perfect

:12:39. > :12:42.as you could want for England's cricketers, they levelled the series

:12:43. > :12:47.with Pakistan. Apart from a nasty injury to Ben Stokes, it was

:12:48. > :12:51.flawless, winning by 330 runs, thanks to impressive batting from

:12:52. > :13:00.Joe Root, and the captain, Alastair Cook. Ben is a pretty tough nut, he

:13:01. > :13:04.said he felt something gophers we will know a lot more tomorrow

:13:05. > :13:09.morning. The good thing is he's walking around up in the changing

:13:10. > :13:14.room. He would be a fairly big doubt for Edgbaston, that is fairly

:13:15. > :13:20.obvious. If it is a good scan result, you can start treating the

:13:21. > :13:24.person. That would be a big risk. The new England manager Sam

:13:25. > :13:28.Allardyce has a tough job of Nissan 's committee did not look like a man

:13:29. > :13:32.who does. He cuts and relaxed figure facing the media for the first time

:13:33. > :13:38.yesterday. Having missed out on the job in 2000 XT Steve McClaren, he

:13:39. > :13:43.was like getting the top job in English football this time around.

:13:44. > :13:46.He promised to build a strong team ethic, as he builds for his first

:13:47. > :13:54.game in charge, a World Cup qualifier against Novak year. I am

:13:55. > :13:57.hard in that many years. You toughen yourself for whatever job you take

:13:58. > :14:01.me take the good with the bat, otherwise you don't do it, don't

:14:02. > :14:06.bother. I am here because I want to be there. I want the challenge. I'm

:14:07. > :14:12.here because I believe I can make the team better. I think I'm tough

:14:13. > :14:20.enough to take it. Bring it on, lads. Absolutely. Forget using a

:14:21. > :14:25.buddy, a new way of carrying your clubs around the course was so who

:14:26. > :14:31.needs four wheels, when you have a jet pack. The idea of a New Zealand

:14:32. > :14:36.-based designer. If you think you will see it in use when golf returns

:14:37. > :14:40.to the Olympics, you are very much mistaken, still some checks to go

:14:41. > :14:45.through. As a rule, surely this will get more people playing golf. Looks

:14:46. > :14:48.like a lot of fun. That is super cool. It would make me stop playing

:14:49. > :14:53.golf. O2 customer data is being sold

:14:54. > :14:56.by criminals on the dark net - a hidden part of the internet often

:14:57. > :14:59.used for illegal activity. Names, emails, passwords,

:15:00. > :15:01.date of births and phone numbers An investigation by this programme

:15:02. > :15:12.has found that it's highly likely a result of something called

:15:13. > :15:13.'credential stuffing' where stolen information is used

:15:14. > :15:16.to log into personal accounts Our reporter Catrin Nye has been

:15:17. > :15:28.looking at it and is here with me How did you find out this was for

:15:29. > :15:32.sale? This was brought to us by a ethical

:15:33. > :15:36.Hacker, a good hacker who looks out for this kind of activity online. He

:15:37. > :15:41.told us that O2 customer data was being sold on the dark net, and more

:15:42. > :15:45.hidden part of the Internet. It is accessed using a special browser and

:15:46. > :15:50.a lot of criminal activity goes on there, you can buy guns, drugs, a

:15:51. > :15:56.lot of stolen data like this. You can see this is the O2 customer data

:15:57. > :15:58.for sale on the dark Net, on a Dark Net market which looks like a market

:15:59. > :16:21.you might use on the normal Internet. It

:16:22. > :16:24.is on offer, by five, get two free, so by five sets of personal details

:16:25. > :16:26.of O2 customers and get to. We bought a small sample to check it

:16:27. > :16:29.was genuine and immediately contacted all of the people whose

:16:30. > :16:31.details we had, because we had their telephone numbers. This is me making

:16:32. > :16:33.those calls. On this screen is a list of names,

:16:34. > :16:35.e-mail addresses, passwords, telephone numbers of O2 customers

:16:36. > :16:39.who I will cool and tell their data has been stolen.

:16:40. > :16:42.Is that George? Is that Roman, is that David?

:16:43. > :16:46.Your details have been stolen by a hacker. Your date of birth, name,

:16:47. > :16:51.telephone number that I have called you on is for sale, and your

:16:52. > :16:56.password is... I know, this is a really strange cool, isn't it?

:16:57. > :17:00.As you can see, some unusual phone calls, people were quite alarmed

:17:01. > :17:04.that I had been able to contact them using stolen details. What I said to

:17:05. > :17:08.the customers was, change your password on your O2 account and on

:17:09. > :17:13.other accounts that use the same password.

:17:14. > :17:17.How did the information get their? We started investigating, and O2

:17:18. > :17:20.were also investigating, and together we found out this is

:17:21. > :17:24.something called credential stuffing. What had happened to these

:17:25. > :17:30.customers, without them knowing, if they had already been hacked, years

:17:31. > :17:34.ago, on a gaming site called XSplit. Usernames and passwords had been

:17:35. > :17:39.stolen and where credential stuffing comes in is that those usernames and

:17:40. > :17:43.passwords were used to log into the O2 account, get more information,

:17:44. > :17:46.and that is what is being sold again. Criminals stuff millions of

:17:47. > :18:04.sets of data through websites like O2 and every now and then they

:18:05. > :18:06.will get a result. If you put in 1 million usernames

:18:07. > :18:09.and e-mails, every now and then Babel match because people use the

:18:10. > :18:12.same details again and they are able to get more data and criminals are

:18:13. > :18:14.able to sell it on places like this. What did O2 say?

:18:15. > :18:16.They investigated this with us and gave us a statement saying, we have

:18:17. > :18:21.not suffered a data breach, credential stuffing is a problem for

:18:22. > :18:24.many companies. O2 have passed on the details to law enforcement and

:18:25. > :18:27.continue to help with investigations.

:18:28. > :18:30.It is important to say this is not just a problem for O2, these

:18:31. > :18:34.customers were hacked years ago, they did not know about it, but they

:18:35. > :18:39.used the same username and password so it was able to be put through the

:18:40. > :18:44.O2 website and can be tried on multiple websites, so many companies

:18:45. > :18:47.are vulnerable. The key is that the username and password are the same

:18:48. > :18:49.and if you do that you are vulnerable to something like

:18:50. > :18:52.credential stuffing. Thank you.

:18:53. > :18:55.Hussain Shaw is one of the O2 customers whose details were sold

:18:56. > :18:59.Also here is Graham Cluley, a security expert who can talk to us

:19:00. > :19:13.Thank you both very much. Hussain, tell us what happened to you? I was

:19:14. > :19:19.approached by Joshua, a BBC reporter on your team, who said he had my

:19:20. > :19:25.details, my e-mail address, password, which was for sale online.

:19:26. > :19:29.Obviously initially I was wary of his contact, but because he had his

:19:30. > :19:35.Twitter handles and everything I knew he was genuine or stop I knew

:19:36. > :19:41.that my account had been compromised because back in February eBay

:19:42. > :19:46.contacted me and suspended my account one evening because of

:19:47. > :19:53.suspicious activity. Someone had used my password to put up lots of

:19:54. > :19:58.adverts for motorcars at that time, and they e-mailed me again recently

:19:59. > :20:02.to say it is possible that my details are on an online database

:20:03. > :20:08.for sale, which was confirmed by your team as well. When you got the

:20:09. > :20:12.call, what did you think, how you? Do you know what your information

:20:13. > :20:19.may have been used for? I do try to stay safe online, it was a cardinal

:20:20. > :20:22.mistake by myself to use the same password across all accounts, so it

:20:23. > :20:31.was worrying initially but I was quite aware that the details that

:20:32. > :20:35.had been compromised were not too critical in terms of banking and

:20:36. > :20:42.e-mails, it was only things I had used for online forms, nothing too

:20:43. > :20:45.critical in that respect. Graham, how often is this happening,

:20:46. > :20:49.people's information being stolen and they did not even know that it

:20:50. > :20:53.is out there for sale? It is happening all the time. These days,

:20:54. > :20:58.if you are on the Internet, you have probably got hundreds of different

:20:59. > :21:03.accounts, on websites, places you have bought things, football forums,

:21:04. > :21:07.eBay, plenty of places. If any of these places gets hacked and the

:21:08. > :21:27.hackers grab your data, your details, your credentials, they

:21:28. > :21:31.will try to monetise it and one of the best ways is what we have seen

:21:32. > :21:34.with the O2 case, they used the information to go to the O2 site and

:21:35. > :21:37.grab further data which adds to the band you of it. And this is what is

:21:38. > :21:40.called credential stuffing? And it is possible because people will so

:21:41. > :21:42.often have the same password for everything you are talking about?

:21:43. > :21:44.This is the cardinal sin, the big mistake, people use the same

:21:45. > :21:47.password on multiple sites. You have to use it unique passwords for every

:21:48. > :21:50.website you have an account on. Each time you get asked for a password

:21:51. > :21:52.you should put something in every time? It should always be something

:21:53. > :21:55.different. People will say, if we have got lots of different

:21:56. > :22:01.passwords, how will we remember them? You don't have to do. I don't

:22:02. > :22:05.know my e-mail password, my eBay, Amazon, Twitter, I don't know any of

:22:06. > :22:09.them, and they are all complicated, but what I know is how to get into

:22:10. > :22:15.my password manager programme, and that is a programme which stores my

:22:16. > :22:18.passwords securely and generates random gobbledygook password because

:22:19. > :22:23.my puny human brain would only choose really dumb passwords which

:22:24. > :22:33.are easy to guess. Is that not "Ability as well? It is good that

:22:34. > :22:37.you ask that cynical question! -- vulnerability. It is always possible

:22:38. > :22:41.that someone could hack into my computer and hack into the password

:22:42. > :22:46.manager but, as a security expert, I feel that is less of a risk. Some

:22:47. > :22:49.people don't like password managers, you could write down your password

:22:50. > :22:52.in a book, there is a risk there if you share a house with someone else

:22:53. > :22:56.or your relationship goes sour, someone could have made a copy. All

:22:57. > :23:00.of this stuff is on the Dark Net and with a special browser anyone can

:23:01. > :23:06.get onto it. Is it quite easy to police? No, it is difficult to

:23:07. > :23:15.police these things. The Dark Net is a shady alleyway off the regular

:23:16. > :23:18.Internet where there are criminal marketplaces where you can buy just

:23:19. > :23:24.about everything, weapons, credentials, drugs, and it is

:23:25. > :23:27.difficult for the police to find out who is running these Dark Net

:23:28. > :23:38.website and shut them down because it is all based on very strong

:23:39. > :23:42.anonymity. Katrin phoned up the people whose information she had got

:23:43. > :23:47.and in many cases they did not know their details had been stolen. What

:23:48. > :23:51.is it used for? They might have used those time and time again to log

:23:52. > :23:55.into different accounts to steal information, in some cases it might

:23:56. > :23:59.not lead to identity theft. There are simply just people selling it on

:24:00. > :24:03.to others who may feel they can monetise it, so if one group of

:24:04. > :24:06.hackers feel they have not been able to do anything with it it does not

:24:07. > :24:13.mean it is of no value. Organised criminal gangs, we have seen huge

:24:14. > :24:17.growth in cyber crime, criminals love to use the Internet because it

:24:18. > :24:21.gives them some kind of anonymity, they can reach far overseas, a long

:24:22. > :24:25.way from law enforcement in this country, but breaking into British

:24:26. > :24:29.accounts. It won't always be bank accounts, it could be your e-mail,

:24:30. > :24:32.that is one of the things you need to protect the strongest Commodore

:24:33. > :24:41.e-mail account, because it is the crux of your online accounts, you

:24:42. > :24:46.need stronger security on that, more than just a password, it gets a bit

:24:47. > :24:49.nerdy but you should enable features like to step authentication which

:24:50. > :24:54.gives you an additional level of security so even if you lose your

:24:55. > :24:59.password the hackers should not be able to hack into your account --

:25:00. > :25:03.two step authentication. You say it is difficult to police the Dark Net,

:25:04. > :25:10.what is being done to crack down on this? Some criminals make mistakes

:25:11. > :25:13.and sometimes will use the information to have goods shipped to

:25:14. > :25:19.them which they can sell for profit, and when you have an address or a

:25:20. > :25:23.money trail, that is something that computer crime specialists around

:25:24. > :25:26.the world are pursuing, so there is a lot of effort being made to combat

:25:27. > :25:31.computer crime but it you are a competent cyber criminal you can

:25:32. > :25:35.cover a lot of your tracks. Annie is asking, how can someone like me, a

:25:36. > :25:41.grandmother, make sure my O2 Mobile is safe from criminals? Can I kick

:25:42. > :25:45.something to prevent this? It is not as simple as that, you can speak to

:25:46. > :25:50.the guys at O2 about what extra levels of security they can give

:25:51. > :25:54.you, but what I would recommend is having a strong unique password,

:25:55. > :26:00.that is the number-1 rule. It may be that are not familiar with it, they

:26:01. > :26:04.could give you two step verification or said they could turn something on

:26:05. > :26:09.to prevent people logging into your account if they are in the far east,

:26:10. > :26:13.or China, something like that, which is not something you would normally

:26:14. > :26:18.do, which should ring bells and prevent them from giving people

:26:19. > :26:22.access to your account. What our company is doing to protect

:26:23. > :26:26.customers People's data? As we have seen more and more hacks,

:26:27. > :26:30.organisations are realising they need to protect the data so they are

:26:31. > :26:35.looking at implementing strong encryption on details and enabling

:26:36. > :26:38.this extra level of security, two step verification, which is when you

:26:39. > :26:43.log into your account, give your username and password, then it asks

:26:44. > :26:47.you for maybe a six digit number, something sent to your mobile phone

:26:48. > :26:59.or displayed by an app on your smartphone, an extra level of

:27:00. > :27:02.security because the hackers, even if they have your password, they

:27:03. > :27:04.don't have physical control over your mobile, so you have possession

:27:05. > :27:07.of that and it authenticates that you are who you said you are, the

:27:08. > :27:09.real account holder. Hussain, you have had an awakening on this,

:27:10. > :27:16.having been hacked yourself. Have you changed the way you will behave

:27:17. > :27:20.in the future? Yes, like your guest mentioned, changing passwords was

:27:21. > :27:24.the first step, making sure each one was unique. I have not yet used a

:27:25. > :27:32.password manager, purely for the reason that I have not done enough

:27:33. > :27:36.research into how secure they are, but it was very shocking initially

:27:37. > :27:42.to learn that this kind of thing goes on. Thank you both very much,

:27:43. > :27:48.Graham, I think you are coming back later to answer some questions, so

:27:49. > :27:50.do get in touch if you have any questions and we will put those

:27:51. > :27:54.questions to Graham later. Still to come:

:27:55. > :27:56.With 13,000 people arrested in Turkey after the failed coup,

:27:57. > :27:58.Amnesty International claims some of the detainees are

:27:59. > :28:08.We'll talk to some of those living under the threat of detention.

:28:09. > :28:11.And as a legal action is launched to overturn the Labour party's

:28:12. > :28:14.decision to guarantee Jeremy Corbyn a place on the leadership ballot,

:28:15. > :28:16.we will be live at the High Court with our political guru

:28:17. > :28:36.Let's catch up with all of the news with Rebecca in the newsroom.

:28:37. > :28:42.At least 19 people have been killed, and many injured, in an attack at a

:28:43. > :28:48.centre for people with learning disabilities near Tokyo. 27-year-old

:28:49. > :28:52.man who used to at the home later turned himself into the police.

:28:53. > :28:55.The man Hillary Clinton beat to become presidential candidate for

:28:56. > :29:00.the Democrats have forcefully endorsed her in a speech at the

:29:01. > :29:04.party's National Convention. Bernie Sanders urged his supporters to

:29:05. > :29:07.unite behind his former rival, who will run against Republican Donald

:29:08. > :29:12.Trump in the elections in November. But many of them ignored his call,

:29:13. > :29:18.booing and jeering at those expressing support Mrs Clinton.

:29:19. > :29:21.The Bavarian Government will discuss measures to strengthen its police

:29:22. > :29:26.force after recent attacks have raised questions over Germany's

:29:27. > :29:30.security. On Sunday evening a Syrian man set off a bomb outside a music

:29:31. > :29:35.festival in southern Germany, killing himself and wounding 12

:29:36. > :29:39.other people. It follows a series of incidents across the country in

:29:40. > :29:45.which ten people have been killed and more injured in separate gun,

:29:46. > :29:47.axe and machete attacks. The battle over the Labour

:29:48. > :29:51.leadership enters the court this morning with a legal challenge

:29:52. > :29:56.against the Labour Party brought by the party donor and former MP

:29:57. > :30:00.Michael Foster. He is contesting the decision by the party's National

:30:01. > :30:03.executive that Jeremy Corbyn should automatically stand in the

:30:04. > :30:10.leadership contest, without having to secure nominations from 50 other

:30:11. > :30:14.MPs and MEPs. O2 customer data is being sold by

:30:15. > :30:19.criminals on the Dark Net, and hidden part of the Internet often

:30:20. > :30:23.used for illegal activity. The data for sale includes phone numbers,

:30:24. > :30:28.e-mails, passwords and dates of birth. It is highly likely a result

:30:29. > :30:31.of credential stuffing, where stolen information is used to log into

:30:32. > :30:38.personal accounts and steal more data. is for

:30:39. > :30:42.The first solar-powered round the world flight

:30:43. > :30:55.The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two, landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months

:30:56. > :31:16.It is powered by 17,000 solar cells, and is no heavier than a car.

:31:17. > :31:18.We start with Russia's involvement at the Olympic Games,

:31:19. > :31:20.with news seven Russian swimmers have been banned from

:31:21. > :31:22.competing after the IOC said international federations must

:31:23. > :31:23.decide whether Russian athletes can compete.

:31:24. > :31:26.Members of their team have begun arriving in Rio, still unsure

:31:27. > :31:29.if they'll be able to take part in the Games, which start in under

:31:30. > :31:32.Only archery, tennis, equestrian and volleyball have

:31:33. > :31:34.cleared Russian participants, with at least 20 other

:31:35. > :31:38.It was as close to perfect as you can get for England's

:31:39. > :31:40.cricketers who won the second test at Old Trafford to level

:31:41. > :31:44.Apart from a nasty looking injury to Ben Stokes, it was a flawless

:31:45. > :31:47.performance as they won by a huge 330 runs.

:31:48. > :31:49.If the new England manager Sam Allardyce has a tough job

:31:50. > :31:53.on his hands, he certainly didn't look like a man who does, as he cut

:31:54. > :31:56.a relaxed figure facing the media for the first time yesterday.

:31:57. > :31:57.He promised to build a strong team ethic,

:31:58. > :32:01.as he prepares for his first game in charge, a World Cup qualifier

:32:02. > :32:06.Who needs four wheels when you've got a jetpack?

:32:07. > :32:08.It's the idea of a New Zealand based designer.

:32:09. > :32:11.But if you're thinking you'll see it in use when golf

:32:12. > :32:13.returns to the Olympics, you'd be mistaken -

:32:14. > :32:16.it's still got some checks to go through.

:32:17. > :32:33.Turkey's President Erdogan has sent a strong message in the wake

:32:34. > :32:35.of a failed military coup that descent of any sort

:32:36. > :32:38.So far he's arrested around 13,000 people.

:32:39. > :32:40.Amnesty International have said the treatment of detainees

:32:41. > :32:43.is so severe it extends to torture and rape and has called

:32:44. > :32:45.for international monitors to be sent in immediately.

:32:46. > :32:48.Turkey's President Erdogan has sent a strong message in the wake

:32:49. > :32:50.for international monitors to be sent in immediately.

:32:51. > :32:52.Whilst in the UK opponents of the Erdogan government have

:32:53. > :32:53.received death threats and intimidation.

:32:54. > :32:56.Let's talk now to Ozcan Keles, a supporter of Fathullah Gulen,

:32:57. > :32:58.the man Turkey blame for the failed coup, Gauri Van Gulik,

:32:59. > :33:00.Amnesty International's Deputy Europe Director,

:33:01. > :33:02.and Bulent Mumay a Turkish journalist who yesterday had

:33:03. > :33:15.Tell us what you are hearing about what is happening to detainees? We

:33:16. > :33:19.have seen an unprecedented crackdown after the coup. The

:33:20. > :33:22.scale is worrying. 13,000 people in detention.

:33:23. > :33:35.ill-treatment, ranging from beatings, starvation, stress

:33:36. > :33:42.positions. Cases of torture. We are calling on

:33:43. > :33:44.international monitors to be allowed in and check these places of

:33:45. > :33:50.detention. These are not always official

:33:51. > :33:53.places, stables,, Sony people being detained. Worrying situation. How

:33:54. > :33:57.are you getting the evidence? We get it through lawyers, family

:33:58. > :34:08.members, research on the ground. so little access, people held

:34:09. > :34:10.incommunicado. Without a lawyer or access to their family.

:34:11. > :34:22.Difficult to find out. We have an urgent need for transparent paper

:34:23. > :34:27.nest, where people are being held, what is happening to them. A warrant

:34:28. > :34:32.was put out for your arrest yesterday. What is that for? What

:34:33. > :34:38.does it say? I don't know the details. I read it from some

:34:39. > :34:42.websites close to the government. They publish a story yesterday

:34:43. > :34:44.morning, there was a list, my name was on the list. Accusing me of

:34:45. > :34:58.being part of the military coup, Absolutely I'm worried. I have been

:34:59. > :35:03.working for 19 years as a generalist in Tokyo. Never supporting anything.

:35:04. > :35:09.I always criticise the Army. am an opponent of the government,

:35:10. > :35:12.either generalist one of my duties is to criticise and write about the

:35:13. > :35:20.government. Turkey, unfortunately it is a

:35:21. > :35:20.tradition. When the government cannot find

:35:21. > :35:24.something to wealth, they add your name into the list, to make your

:35:25. > :35:27.name dirty. Gulen, who has denied being behind

:35:28. > :35:40.the coup. The edge -- government has said he was. You

:35:41. > :35:45.have received messages threatening you. What have they

:35:46. > :35:51.said? The day after the coup, I got a text

:35:52. > :35:52.message signed off by the angel of death.

:35:53. > :36:03.MIT, Turkish intelligence services, UK branch.

:36:04. > :36:09.suggesting we should be aware. What were the

:36:10. > :36:18.It was the movement that Ireland part of that party miscue.

:36:19. > :36:26.Cursing that movement. Offering obscenities to be.

:36:27. > :36:35.It was sent in Turkish, signed off by the

:36:36. > :36:42.National intelligence services special Branch.

:36:43. > :36:48.I offered it to Scotland Yard and the police. Was there an actual

:36:49. > :36:50.threat? Putting accusations, the tone, the

:36:51. > :36:54.wait was drafted, implying that, it did not

:36:55. > :36:57.say directly we are going to kill you, if that is what you are

:36:58. > :37:01.asking. Sent to my private mobile phone, not

:37:02. > :37:05.available online. That's a message sent to numerous

:37:06. > :37:08.people. I have had threats then by social media. On the

:37:09. > :37:16.night of the coup, a cute hours mosque in Edmonton, people descended

:37:17. > :37:26.on it, people started shouting and threatening

:37:27. > :37:37.people. You believe this is orchestrated? A

:37:38. > :37:39.lot of circumstantial evidence online.

:37:40. > :37:42.This is not just happening in London,

:37:43. > :37:47.happening across Europe, other parts of the world. Looking at the pattern

:37:48. > :37:49.of the behaviour, the people involved, looking at what is

:37:50. > :37:54.coming out of official Turkish outposts.

:37:55. > :38:00.What they are saying. They are naming this social movement that I

:38:01. > :38:02.am part of as being part of a terrorist organisation, without a

:38:03. > :38:13.court order. When you add that emerges, not my responsibility to

:38:14. > :38:17.apportion blame. What I would kindly ask, so far we have not had the FCO,

:38:18. > :38:19.the Home Office involved, it is their responsibility to investigate

:38:20. > :38:29.and to speak and say this kind of behaviour

:38:30. > :38:35.should not be encouraged. We don't want Turkish problems exported into

:38:36. > :38:40.UK communities. Scary, is this something Amnesty has been a

:38:41. > :38:45.whereof? There is a climate of fear, very extreme at the moment,

:38:46. > :38:48.certainly in Turkey. Seasoned journalists, who have been doing

:38:49. > :38:51.this for decades, they are scared to talk to us. We are also seeing,

:38:52. > :38:55.linking to what we said, as an international

:38:56. > :39:02.organisation, human rights organisation, not affiliated with

:39:03. > :39:07.any movement. We have also been accused of having ties

:39:08. > :39:15.to the Gulen movement, because we have criticise the government.

:39:16. > :39:19.Certainly a trend of repeating these kind of accusations, this was the

:39:20. > :39:25.minister of justice. Not protecting people enough from the violence we

:39:26. > :39:32.are seeing in Turkey against people accused of having a link to the

:39:33. > :39:35.movement. A real stifling climate of fear, accusations with real

:39:36. > :39:37.consequences, people getting hurt. Adding we have lost our line to

:39:38. > :39:48.Turkey. -- I hear we have lost them alone.

:39:49. > :39:53.We will hopefully get back. Are you in touch with people in Turkey

:39:54. > :39:55.describing feeling that way? We had a call last week from a family

:39:56. > :39:59.living in a block of seven flats, the residence of the six

:40:00. > :40:07.other flats got together, going to the residence of the seven

:40:08. > :40:13.flats was he happens to be in English language teacher, they said

:40:14. > :40:14.to this man, the family living there for ten

:40:15. > :40:27.don't want you in our apartment anymore. You need to get out.

:40:28. > :40:34.Ordinarily residence. -- ordinary residents. The children of the six

:40:35. > :40:37.families got together, made a pact, going to the children of the seven

:40:38. > :40:41.family, saying we are no longer friends with you, you are part of a

:40:42. > :40:43.terrorist organisation. We are hearing stories like this,

:40:44. > :40:52.child going to buy bread, the shopkeeper refusing to sell bread to

:40:53. > :40:56.that child, the child is a member of their family supporting the

:40:57. > :41:03.movement, donating to the movement. The level of purge is that the

:41:04. > :41:10.public level. It is a lynch mob mentality. People getting involved.

:41:11. > :41:17.Citizens encouraged. We have had messages circulated in the UK,

:41:18. > :41:28.asking UK residents to report on the other UK residents supportive of

:41:29. > :41:33.Gulen, to report them to the presidential hotline. It is beyond

:41:34. > :41:38.belief. A telephone number for the presidential hotline, saying for

:41:39. > :41:43.these people. A second message circulated, updated, they have given

:41:44. > :41:50.Turkey's National intelligence services details. A UK-based local

:41:51. > :41:54.newspaper turning this into a local item, they say, if people are trying

:41:55. > :42:02.to report these terrorists to Turkey, and they cannot get through,

:42:03. > :42:08.report it to our local newspaper, and we will pass it on. Not sure you

:42:09. > :42:13.could hear those claims, people reporting on those supporting the

:42:14. > :42:18.opposition to the president. Is that happening? It is not a new thing in

:42:19. > :42:26.Turkey. I am a journalist who has been a

:42:27. > :42:34.target in the protests three years ago. At that time I was the editor

:42:35. > :42:41.in chief of one of Turkey's Figgis website. The government did not like

:42:42. > :42:48.us to publish stories about people's writes, and streets. I name my

:42:49. > :42:59.telephone was being recorded by the government. Several people text

:43:00. > :43:01.thingy on Twitter, using my own sentences, they were using my mate.

:43:02. > :43:11.They put my ex-wife's numberplate on Twitter. It

:43:12. > :43:13.is an issue. Unfortunately the online has gone again.

:43:14. > :43:29.of these things, and now the death penalty being talked about. It has

:43:30. > :43:35.come out a few times. The president seems keen to bring it up, talking

:43:36. > :43:40.about bringing it back retrospectively. Those responsible

:43:41. > :43:42.for the coup can be put to death. That is absolutely unacceptable. We

:43:43. > :43:47.are always against the death penalty. Unacceptable to the Council

:43:48. > :43:49.of Europe, ending any negotiations in Europe.

:43:50. > :43:59.Extremely worrying. I'm keen to continue what was said before.

:44:00. > :44:03.Freedom of expression, crackdown on journalists, activists, it is not

:44:04. > :44:06.news, something we have seen for a while, getting worse. Even before

:44:07. > :44:09.the coup, this was escalating. concerned. That crackdown has been

:44:10. > :44:26.deepened, rather than finding criminal actors, or those

:44:27. > :44:30.responsible for the crimes. Thank you very much.

:44:31. > :44:34.How a Dorset woman hired a private detective to clear her husband's

:44:35. > :44:36.name after he was wrongly convicted of historic sexual abuse.

:44:37. > :44:45.Prisoners held indefinitely after serving their minimum term

:44:46. > :44:49.or tariff should not have to prove it is "safe" to release

:44:50. > :44:52.them, that's according to the new Parole Board chairman,

:44:53. > :44:55.He says various factors make it "incredibly difficult" for some

:44:56. > :44:59.inmates on Imprisonment for Public Protection

:45:00. > :45:02.sentences to find such proof, and wants new criteria for freeing

:45:03. > :45:13.It is effectively a sentence which means someone could be held in jail

:45:14. > :45:16.indefinitely. Shaun Lloyd was given an IPP

:45:17. > :45:18.sentence of two years and nine months for two street robberies

:45:19. > :45:22.when he was 18, but spent more than He told Victoria what it was like

:45:23. > :45:26.not having a date for release. Psychological hell, to go

:45:27. > :45:28.through that and not know when you're coming out,

:45:29. > :45:30.and what you say about the courses, sometimes it's like they're giving

:45:31. > :45:38.you them for the sake of just doing them, to justify why

:45:39. > :45:40.you're in for so long. They give you courses that you don't

:45:41. > :45:43.really have to do. I did some courses twice over

:45:44. > :45:46.and I should not have had to do So you are not, presumably,

:45:47. > :45:51.arguing with the original sentence you got, the minimum sentence

:45:52. > :45:55.you got, it's the fact that it went on and on and there is no light

:45:56. > :45:58.at the end? I deserved a prison sentence

:45:59. > :46:00.for what I did, I did Nine years of my life, what I've

:46:01. > :46:06.witnessed in those nine years, What I witnessed inside,

:46:07. > :46:13.I lost friends, countless friends killed themselves,

:46:14. > :46:16.self-harming, things that And the parole process,

:46:17. > :46:22.can you give our audience a little What happens, do you go

:46:23. > :46:27.in a room and there are three I have got absolutely no idea,

:46:28. > :46:31.describe it for us. You'll have three judges,

:46:32. > :46:34.you will have probation, offender managers and certain other people,

:46:35. > :46:38.if you've got psychological My offender manager I only met twice

:46:39. > :46:44.for ten minutes each time. On my parole document I was fighting

:46:45. > :46:50.statistics that said there was an 87% chance

:46:51. > :46:54.of being recalled within 12 months. I don't know how they could come

:46:55. > :46:58.with that statistic, so precise. I have been out 2.5 years,

:46:59. > :47:01.so I've proved them wrong. Basically, on my seventh

:47:02. > :47:05.parole hearing... Yeah, I just told the truth,

:47:06. > :47:10.I told them that I've had enough I've done all the courses,

:47:11. > :47:29.I cannot do any more, We will pick up on that in a moment

:47:30. > :47:34.but I want to bring some breaking news out of France. The Reuters news

:47:35. > :47:40.agency reporting this, two men armed with knives have taken several

:47:41. > :47:44.people hostage in a church in the northern Normandy region, quoting a

:47:45. > :47:48.police source. The source saying between four and six people being

:47:49. > :47:55.held by assailants in centre tea and, that is just through -- Saint

:47:56. > :48:02.Etienne. Two men holding people hostage in a church in centre tea

:48:03. > :48:06.and, in the northern part, Normandy in the northern part of France. We

:48:07. > :48:10.will check out those reports and bring you more as soon as we can.

:48:11. > :48:12.Let's go back to those indefinite sentences.

:48:13. > :48:15.Our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw is here.

:48:16. > :48:22.How many people are in jail on indefinite sentences?

:48:23. > :48:28.Over 4000 at the moment even though the sentences were abolished in

:48:29. > :48:32.2012, and around 3300 are in prison having served their minimum term,

:48:33. > :48:36.their tariff, and some of those have been held years longer than their

:48:37. > :48:40.minimum term, perhaps they were given two or three years and are

:48:41. > :48:46.still in custody five, six, seven, eight years later, in a Catch-22

:48:47. > :48:49.situation where they have to convince the parole board it is safe

:48:50. > :48:55.for them to be released and they don't present a danger. To do that,

:48:56. > :48:59.they have to show they have been on behaviour courses but the longer

:49:00. > :49:03.they have been in prison the harder it becomes for them to convince the

:49:04. > :49:06.parole board it is said to be let out.

:49:07. > :49:10.It is all about public protection, isn't it? How are they going to

:49:11. > :49:13.change it and ensure public protection is not compromised?

:49:14. > :49:18.This is a proposal from Nick Hardwick, head of the parole board.

:49:19. > :49:22.He wants to turn the test on its head so the parole board would have

:49:23. > :49:26.to show that they were still dangerous enough to be locked up, so

:49:27. > :49:30.it is putting the onus on the parole board to show that they are

:49:31. > :49:34.dangerous, rather than putting the onus on the president to show they

:49:35. > :49:37.are safe. He believes it would benefit three categories of prison

:49:38. > :49:41.at the most, those on short tariffs who have served many years beyond

:49:42. > :49:45.their tariff, some prisoners who are in prison for longer than they would

:49:46. > :50:00.have got under the maximum sentence for the offence they were convicted

:50:01. > :50:02.off, and also some IPP prisoners who he says are frail and elderly and

:50:03. > :50:04.don't present a risk. Those are the three groups who could

:50:05. > :50:06.be released if these provisions were accepted by the new Justice

:50:07. > :50:09.Secretary, Liz Truss. It seems anachronistic when the fact is these

:50:10. > :50:10.sentences are not handed out any more.

:50:11. > :50:13.Yes, the Government has replaced them with a kind of indeterminate

:50:14. > :50:17.sentence liked where the parole board still has to decide if

:50:18. > :50:22.dangerous prisoners can be released but there is a cut-off point at

:50:23. > :50:26.which point they have to be released into custody. I should say, these

:50:27. > :50:31.are controversial proposals because changing the released test goes to

:50:32. > :50:36.the heart of that question about public protection and safety, and

:50:37. > :50:40.some of these prisoners were convicted of serious offences

:50:41. > :50:43.including sex offences, violence, and robbery, and there may be

:50:44. > :50:45.members of the public who would be very concerned if they were

:50:46. > :50:53.released. Could we see some high-profile

:50:54. > :50:57.prisoners in jail, with an assumption they would never come

:50:58. > :51:01.out, ending up being released? I don't think these sentences were

:51:02. > :51:04.ever in post on people with the expectation that they would never

:51:05. > :51:08.come out, the expectation was they would at some point but they would

:51:09. > :51:13.have to prove it was safe. But clearly the idea of the prison gates

:51:14. > :51:17.opening and people convicted of dangerous crimes walking free may

:51:18. > :51:22.alarm some individuals. On the other hand there is a sense that this is

:51:23. > :51:23.not a sentence that is working as it was originally intended to do.

:51:24. > :51:27.Thank you very much. The telecoms regulator has stopped

:51:28. > :51:36.short of ordering BT to sell-off Openreach, the firm behind much

:51:37. > :51:38.of the UK's broadband network. Instead, Ofcom has this morning said

:51:39. > :51:41.that Openreach should become a "distinct company"

:51:42. > :51:44.within the BT group. Rivals - like Sky and TalkTalk -

:51:45. > :51:47.had said Openreach should be taken away from BT following criticisms

:51:48. > :51:50.over lack of investment and poor service levels,

:51:51. > :51:52.and because they claim the fact that BT owns the company that develops

:51:53. > :52:02.and maintains the network gives it The chief executive of BT said there

:52:03. > :52:06.was no evidence that a separation of the company would be any better for

:52:07. > :52:10.customers. There is no evidence anywhere around

:52:11. > :52:15.the world that structural separation works. In fact, the few countries

:52:16. > :52:21.that have done it have led to chaos in many cases, prices going up, no

:52:22. > :52:27.additional choice for customers. Openreach will be able to provide,

:52:28. > :52:32.under this proposal, better service, more investment, more choice for

:52:33. > :52:37.customers. The chief executive of Ofcom said

:52:38. > :52:41.their decision to make Openreach more independent means it will have

:52:42. > :52:44.a legal obligation to customers to provide a faster, more reliable

:52:45. > :52:49.service. What we expect the changes to date

:52:50. > :52:54.to bring about absolutely are faster, more reliable broadband,

:52:55. > :52:59.because Openreach, Bilawal, will have to act in the interest of all

:53:00. > :53:06.its customers, not just eat eat -- by law. That means it will have to

:53:07. > :53:10.provide a more reliable service, and customers want faster speeds,

:53:11. > :53:11.fibre-optic cable to their doorstep, and Openreach, by law, will have to

:53:12. > :53:20.respond. In the studio with me

:53:21. > :53:23.is Rachel Neaman from Dot Everyone, a charity that campaigns

:53:24. > :53:25.for reliable internet Kirsty Styles is a technology

:53:26. > :53:28.journalist and editor at The New Statesman

:53:29. > :53:30.and spin-off website NS Tech. And on Skype is Dido Harding,

:53:31. > :53:32.the CEO of TalkTalk. She wants Openreach

:53:33. > :53:40.to be separated from BT. Thank you all for joining us. It all

:53:41. > :53:42.sounds very technical, why should anybody out there actually care

:53:43. > :53:48.about this, what difference does it make? Internet connectivity is like

:53:49. > :53:53.asking people to chat about plumbing, you are not necessarily

:53:54. > :53:56.that bothers unless something goes wrong and you are happy to leave it

:53:57. > :54:01.to an expert if it does go wrong. The issue with Openreach is that it

:54:02. > :54:06.is a deal that was struck ten years ago when Facebook was still in

:54:07. > :54:11.nappies, before Snapchat existed, and before the first iPhone came

:54:12. > :54:14.out. The landscape, digital landscape, has transformed

:54:15. > :54:19.incredibly even beyond BT's possible understanding over the last ten

:54:20. > :54:24.years, and that means that we need a better additional infrastructure so

:54:25. > :54:27.that people can have better access to digital services, Government

:54:28. > :54:31.services, and so that businesses can do what they need to do, doing

:54:32. > :54:35.business on the Internet. Everybody knows there are the haves and

:54:36. > :54:41.have-nots when it comes to access to good Internet. Will what has been

:54:42. > :54:45.announced today make a big difference? I hope it will because I

:54:46. > :54:49.think there are still too many people who do not have access to

:54:50. > :54:53.fast and reliable Internet. Clearly that is essential now for the way we

:54:54. > :54:57.live our lives. For economic and social reasons, even in the

:54:58. > :55:01.political and democratic process, it is essential to have fast and

:55:02. > :55:05.reliable access to the Internet. Do you believe it is being hampered

:55:06. > :55:12.because of the way the system is set up at the moment? I think it is

:55:13. > :55:17.essential that there is enough competition to allow other

:55:18. > :55:22.organisations and corporations to provide what is needed. I don't

:55:23. > :55:24.think the average consumer minds about the institutional

:55:25. > :55:28.organisational structure behind it but they need access to the

:55:29. > :55:34.Internet, so however that can be best delivered I think is what your

:55:35. > :55:41.average consumer is interested in. Dido Harding, opening up Openreach

:55:42. > :55:45.to companies like yours, for you to have a greater say in what is

:55:46. > :55:52.effectively done with the plumbing behind the Internet, is that going

:55:53. > :55:57.to make of difference to consumers? I think it is a step in the right

:55:58. > :56:00.direction to create a separate Openreach, but there is a real

:56:01. > :56:05.danger that it looks like a good thing but it doesn't change anything

:56:06. > :56:08.at all. The problem we have got is that the copper wires that go to

:56:09. > :56:16.homes and businesses across the country are all owned and run by BT,

:56:17. > :56:20.and by Ofcom, the regulator's own analysis, BT has made ?4 billion

:56:21. > :56:26.more over the last ten years than they should have done in the current

:56:27. > :56:28.regulatory regime, because Openreach's current functional

:56:29. > :56:34.separation has not been working, so the danger is replacing the word

:56:35. > :56:38.functional with legal but we are still dependent on lots of

:56:39. > :56:42.regulation, lawyers, things small businesses don't care about, and it

:56:43. > :56:47.won't change anything. Which is why I think it would be much better to

:56:48. > :56:50.create and Openreach plc, a separate company, where we can all see how

:56:51. > :56:55.much money it is making, whether they invest what they make in

:56:56. > :57:00.improving our Internet... Sorry to interrupt, when you talk about the

:57:01. > :57:04.money BT is making, it sounds like it is more about commercial interest

:57:05. > :57:10.than what is in the public interest? Correct, and that is what Ofcom have

:57:11. > :57:16.said, that BT Group's ownership of Openreach enables them to maximise

:57:17. > :57:20.their shareholders' best interest... So you are not concerned in terms of

:57:21. > :57:24.making things better for people out there, it is about individual

:57:25. > :57:28.companies' commercial interest? Quite the opposite, I think

:57:29. > :57:32.Openreach needs to be run for the country, for all of us who use it,

:57:33. > :57:37.regardless of whether we get services from BT, TalkTalk, sky,

:57:38. > :57:41.Vodafone, anyone, and the problem is you currently have that national

:57:42. > :57:45.asset owned by one retail provider and the regulator says they have

:57:46. > :57:49.abused that ownership. They are proposing what I think is in danger

:57:50. > :57:53.of being a fudge, which is a bit more regulation to try to prevent BT

:57:54. > :57:58.abusing that ownership going forward and we should all be scared that if

:57:59. > :58:05.we don't understand it, and the danger is non-others care about the

:58:06. > :58:13.detail. Thank you all very much. Just to bring you a quick statement

:58:14. > :58:15.from BT saying, we welcome Ofcom's recognition that structural

:58:16. > :58:19.separation would be a disproportionate move. Our proposals

:58:20. > :58:23.provide Ofcom with the benefits they seek but without substantial and

:58:24. > :58:26.unavoidable costs associated with legal incorporation. We will

:58:27. > :58:28.continue to engage with them over the coming months.

:58:29. > :58:31.Coming up: We'll be putting your questions to computer safety expert

:58:32. > :58:33.Graham Cluley after this programme reveals O2 customer data

:58:34. > :58:41.If you have got any questions for the expert, do get in touch.

:58:42. > :58:49.Let's get the latest weather update with Darren Bett.

:58:50. > :58:58.Good morning. The weather this week very different from what we had last

:58:59. > :59:01.week. This time last week we had temperatures of 33.5 degrees in

:59:02. > :59:07.Oxfordshire. Lots of strong, hot sunshine. Today, seven days later,

:59:08. > :59:11.the best temperature will be maybe 23 degrees. That could be in

:59:12. > :59:16.Norfolk, where we started quite funny this morning. It has not been

:59:17. > :59:19.suddenly everywhere, lots more cloud out towards the rest, this picture

:59:20. > :59:23.by a weather watch in Worcestershire. Over the next few

:59:24. > :59:28.days it will be cooler than it was last week, no sign of a repeat of 33

:59:29. > :59:32.degrees. There will be sunshine but a lot more cloud and that will bring

:59:33. > :59:37.some showers, maybe longer spells of rain. Our weather is coming in from

:59:38. > :59:42.the west, all this cloud streaming towards the UK from of the Atlantic,

:59:43. > :59:44.and it will be beginning to give us outbreaks of rain in the West today.

:59:45. > :00:07.It will always be bettered towards the

:00:08. > :00:10.east though we will see more cloud this afternoon, losing some of the

:00:11. > :00:12.sunshine and we could pick up one or two showers. More showers for

:00:13. > :00:14.Scotland into the afternoon, and some rain and drizzle developing in

:00:15. > :00:16.Northern Ireland, that will peg back the temperatures. Some of that will

:00:17. > :00:19.stream into the north-west of England, brighter to the east of the

:00:20. > :00:21.Pennines. But the south, more low cloud across Wales and the

:00:22. > :00:23.south-west, outbreaks of light rain and drizzle, showers ahead of that

:00:24. > :00:26.through the Midlands and the south-east, where temperatures could

:00:27. > :00:27.get as high as 22 or 23. In the evening, wet weather continues

:00:28. > :00:29.across Northern Ireland, south-west Scotland, north-west England, rain

:00:30. > :00:32.and drizzle developing overnight, spilling South into England and

:00:33. > :00:37.Wales. The cloud will keep the temperature is up, 16 or 17 in the

:00:38. > :00:42.towns and cities, but low cloud over the hills so quite gloomy. Fresh

:00:43. > :00:46.conditions for Scotland and Northern Ireland. Tomorrow, rain and drizzle

:00:47. > :00:50.for England and Wales, it will tend to Peter Wright as it heads to the

:00:51. > :00:53.south-east, dull and dump, possibly heavy showers in the Midlands

:00:54. > :00:57.through the afternoon, but further north we get some sunshine across

:00:58. > :01:01.North Wales, northern England, sunshine and showers in the North of

:01:02. > :01:05.Scotland and a much better day for Northern Ireland, where it should be

:01:06. > :01:09.dry with some sunshine. But there is more rain to come, areas of low

:01:10. > :01:12.pressure again of the Atlantic. Not quite sure where this will fit, near

:01:13. > :01:16.the centre we will see most of the rain, so that may push across

:01:17. > :01:21.Northern Ireland into Wales, northern England. To the south of

:01:22. > :01:24.that, warmer but with some heavy showers, and to the north, sunshine

:01:25. > :01:32.and a few showers for northern Scotland.

:01:33. > :01:33.Hello it's 10.00 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling.

:01:34. > :01:37.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us; coming up before 11.

:01:38. > :01:39.We'll have the latest from Japan where 19 people have been stabbed

:01:40. > :01:42.to death at a care home for people with mental disabilities

:01:43. > :01:52.We'll talk to a former firefighter who was wrongly jailed for sexually

:01:53. > :01:55.assaulting a teenage boy 40 years ago, he was freed after his wife

:01:56. > :01:57.hired a private detective to prove her husband's innocence.

:01:58. > :02:05.Customer data for sale; this programme has found that O2 users

:02:06. > :02:08.information is being sold by criminals on the so called dark

:02:09. > :02:11.net, the part of the internet which is hidden and often used

:02:12. > :02:17.Good Morning, here's a summary of today's news

:02:18. > :02:23.At least 19 people have been killed and 20 injured, many seriously,

:02:24. > :02:25.in a knife attack at a care home in Japan.

:02:26. > :02:28.It happened at a centre for people with learning difficulties

:02:29. > :02:30.in the city of Sagamihara, 25 miles west of Tokyo.

:02:31. > :02:32.A 26-year-old man, who used to work at the home,

:02:33. > :02:44.Two men armed with knives have taken several people hostage

:02:45. > :02:48.Police say between four and six people are being held

:02:49. > :03:03.by the assailants in a church in Saint Etienne du-Rouvray.

:03:04. > :03:05.The man Hilary Clinton beat to become presidential candidate

:03:06. > :03:07.for the Democrats has forcefully endorsed her in a speech

:03:08. > :03:11.Bernie Sanders urged his supporters to unite behind his former rival,

:03:12. > :03:13.who will run against republican Donald Trump

:03:14. > :03:17.His fans booed and jeered throughout the event at those who expressed

:03:18. > :03:36.it is no secret that Hillary Clinton and I disagree on a number of

:03:37. > :03:42.issues. That is what this campaign has been about, that is what

:03:43. > :03:48.democracy is about. Hillary Clinton will make an outstanding president,

:03:49. > :03:49.and I am proud to stand with her tonight this thank you all very

:03:50. > :03:52.much. The Bavarian government will discuss

:03:53. > :03:55.measures to strengthen its police force after recent attacks have

:03:56. > :03:57.raised questions over Germany's security.On Sunday evening a Syrian

:03:58. > :04:01.man set off a bomb outside a music On Sunday evening a Syrian man set

:04:02. > :04:04.off a bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany,

:04:05. > :04:06.killing himself and wounding It follows other attacks

:04:07. > :04:10.across the country in which ten people have been killed and more

:04:11. > :04:12.injured in separate gun, O2 customer data is being sold

:04:13. > :04:28.by criminals on the dark net, a hidden part of the internet often

:04:29. > :04:30.used for illegal activity. The data for sale includes users'

:04:31. > :04:32.phone numbers, emails, It's highly likely a result

:04:33. > :04:35.of 'credential stuffing' where stolen information is used

:04:36. > :04:48.to log into personal accounts A computer security expert explained

:04:49. > :04:57.that policing the dark net is extremely difficult. The dark net is

:04:58. > :05:00.a shady alleyway, off the regular Internet, where there are big

:05:01. > :05:03.marketplaces, criminal marketplaces, where you can buy just about

:05:04. > :05:11.everything, weapons, credentials, drugs online. Very difficult for the

:05:12. > :05:12.police to find out who is running these dark websites and shut them

:05:13. > :05:13.down. The battle over the Labour

:05:14. > :05:16.leadership enters the courts this morning with a legal challenge

:05:17. > :05:18.against the Labour Party brought by party donor

:05:19. > :05:20.and former MP, Michael Foster. He is contesting the decision

:05:21. > :05:22.by the party's national executive that Jeremy Corbyn should

:05:23. > :05:24.automatically stand in the leadership contest

:05:25. > :05:26.without having to secure nominations The communications regulator, Ofcom,

:05:27. > :05:36.has ordered BT to make its Openreach broadband operation a "distinct

:05:37. > :05:38.company" within the BT Group. The move follows complaints

:05:39. > :05:40.about Openreach's poor customer performance,

:05:41. > :05:42.and demands that Britain's broadband But Ofcom's decision stops short

:05:43. > :05:45.of the complete split from BT The first solar-powered

:05:46. > :06:02.round the world flight The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two,

:06:03. > :06:06.landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months Pilot Bertrand Piccard brought it

:06:07. > :06:10.down safely in the early hours of this morning,

:06:11. > :06:12.marking the end of an epic The plane is powered by more

:06:13. > :06:15.than 17,000 solar cells, That's a summary of the latest BBC

:06:16. > :06:44.News, more at 10.30. Breaking news on the hostagetaking

:06:45. > :06:49.in a church in France. We are hearing from Reuters, quoting a

:06:50. > :06:55.police he two hostage-takers have been neutralised, the words they are

:06:56. > :07:02.using. This story breaking in the past 15 minutes or so. Two people

:07:03. > :07:08.taking a priest, two nuns and several members of the congregation

:07:09. > :07:15.hostage at the church, near to Rouen. We are hearing police are

:07:16. > :07:23.saying the two hostage-takers have the Neutralizer. There are reports

:07:24. > :07:28.several hostages have been injured. Picked up by BBC monitoring.

:07:29. > :07:35.Firefighters have arrived at the scene of the hostagetaking. Several

:07:36. > :07:42.people injured. This is a situation which has just emerged. Sounds

:07:43. > :07:46.potentially it is over, police saying the two hostage-takers had

:07:47. > :07:52.been neutralised or stop only just emerging in the last ten, 15

:07:53. > :07:55.minutes. We will keep you updated on the latest of that. To get in touch

:07:56. > :07:59.through the morning. Russian athletes have

:08:00. > :08:06.begun arriving in Rio, still unsure whether they will be

:08:07. > :08:09.able to compete in the games, after the IOC said International

:08:10. > :08:11.Federations must decide whether to allow

:08:12. > :08:12.Russian participants. So far Russia have only been cleared

:08:13. > :08:20.to compete in Archery, tennis, Equestrian and volleyball

:08:21. > :08:28.events, with at least 20 other FINA, who govern swimming have said

:08:29. > :08:37.they will retest samples collected from Russian swimmers at the 2015

:08:38. > :08:39.World Championships, after banning seven swimmers

:08:40. > :08:41.from competing in Rio. Irish Jockey JT Mcnamara has

:08:42. > :08:43.was paralysed after a fall at the 2013 Cheltenham Festival,

:08:44. > :08:47.has died at the age of 41. Mcnamara was a leading amateur rider

:08:48. > :08:49.with over 600 winners He fractured two vertebrae

:08:50. > :08:52.in his neck when he fell at the first fence at the Festival

:08:53. > :08:59.three years ago. It was as close to perfect

:09:00. > :09:02.as you can get for England's cricketers who won the second test

:09:03. > :09:05.at Old Trafford to level Apart from a nasty looking injury

:09:06. > :09:11.to Ben Stokes, it was a flawless performance as they won

:09:12. > :09:13.by a huge 330 runs. Thanks in part to impressive batting

:09:14. > :09:31.displays from Joe Root Stokes is a pretty tough nut, he

:09:32. > :09:36.said he felt something go. We will know a lot more tomorrow morning.

:09:37. > :09:42.The good thing he is walking around up in the changing room now this I

:09:43. > :09:47.would say he would be a fairly big doubt for Edgbaston, fairly obvious

:09:48. > :09:50.stop if the scan is a good result, we can start treating him coming

:09:51. > :09:53.here is a tough guy, but that would be a big risk.

:09:54. > :09:56.If the new England manager Sam Allardyce has a tough job

:09:57. > :09:59.on his hands, he certainly didn't look like a man who does, as he cut

:10:00. > :10:02.a relaxed figure facing the media for the first time yesterday.

:10:03. > :10:05.Having missed out on the appointment back in 2006 when it

:10:06. > :10:07.went to Steve Mclaren, he was clearly delighted

:10:08. > :10:09.after getting the top job in English Football this time round.

:10:10. > :10:11.He promised to build a strong team ethic,

:10:12. > :10:14.as he prepares for his first game in charge, a World Cup qualifier

:10:15. > :10:25.And forget using a buggy, there's a new way of carrying your clubs

:10:26. > :10:30.It's the idea of a New Zealand based designer.

:10:31. > :10:33.But if you're thinking you'll see it in use when Golf returns

:10:34. > :10:35.to the Olympics, you'd be mistaken, it's still got some

:10:36. > :10:39.But as a rule, surely this alone is going to get more

:10:40. > :10:55.David Bryant, a retired fire-fighter from Dorset,

:10:56. > :10:57.had his life turned upside down when he was accused

:10:58. > :11:00.of historic sexual abuse, a crime he didn't commit.

:11:01. > :11:02.Despite repeatedly denying the accusations, he was convicted

:11:03. > :11:05.It was only after his wife Lynn hired a private detective

:11:06. > :11:08.to prove his accuser was a serial liar that the conviction

:11:09. > :11:11.After nearly three years behind bars, David was released last week.

:11:12. > :11:15.He and his wife Lynn are now calling for an urgent review of how historic

:11:16. > :11:32.They're both here now, thanks for joining us.

:11:33. > :11:39.Thank you for joining us, it has been a whirlwind? The last fortnight

:11:40. > :11:46.has been a mad two weeks. Gradually getting used to going where I want

:11:47. > :11:50.to go. Take us back, this started to unfold when a letter was posted

:11:51. > :11:59.through your door four years ago. What did it say? I cannot remember

:12:00. > :12:05.exactly. It was, do you remember me? We used to know each other years ago

:12:06. > :12:10.from the British Legion. The time has come to pay now, one way or

:12:11. > :12:15.another for us the person that made the accusation said he was going to

:12:16. > :12:22.the police at six o'clock if I did not contact him. The national press

:12:23. > :12:26.at seven o'clock. We rang the police to find out what was going on, they

:12:27. > :12:35.did not know anything at the time. At seven o'clock in the evening...

:12:36. > :12:40.They arrived at our house, they said they will not be coming to us, the

:12:41. > :12:44.person accusing my husband went to the police station, making

:12:45. > :12:49.accusation, they would not tell us what, from that day they labelled

:12:50. > :12:57.him guilty. This person was Danny Baker waiving right to anonymity.

:12:58. > :13:02.Did the name mean anything to you? Yes, I did remember him from way

:13:03. > :13:07.back was the only reason I knew him, he used intellect glasses in the

:13:08. > :13:15.British Legion branch where I used to go for a drink now and again.

:13:16. > :13:20.When you knew he was making these allegations against you, how did you

:13:21. > :13:25.feel? Completely dumbstruck. Did not know where he was getting them from.

:13:26. > :13:31.Nothing I could do about it, I had to find out and wait until the

:13:32. > :13:38.police told us what was going on. What did you think? When the police

:13:39. > :13:45.were not prepared to come to our house they came to seize the letter,

:13:46. > :13:55.we said, we can most probably prepare an alibi, we have the log

:13:56. > :13:59.books of the fireman. It was not until the first magistrates'

:14:00. > :14:06.hearing, when they said they went spinning to charge him, we learnt

:14:07. > :14:10.the full allegation. We were sat with our solicitors in the

:14:11. > :14:15.Magistrates' Court. He was reading everything put against my husband.

:14:16. > :14:19.We said we can prove he could not have happened on a Tuesday or

:14:20. > :14:25.Thursday. We have the books to say they were people on the station on

:14:26. > :14:30.that day. He said there was a pool table, there was a pool table since

:14:31. > :14:36.1992. Said he was led out for a fire exit door, there was no fire exit

:14:37. > :14:39.door. If they had asked David when questioning him, more thoroughly,

:14:40. > :14:46.doing 20 minutes of investigation, they could have found this guide was

:14:47. > :14:52.lying. The information was there at the early stage, but you were

:14:53. > :14:57.convicted? We started a complaint after David was convicted. The

:14:58. > :15:01.police's attitude was, he was convicted, nothing you can do. That

:15:02. > :15:06.is where I came in to action, saying this is not right. My friend and I,

:15:07. > :15:13.we put the evidence together in 14 minutes. For our team, for them to

:15:14. > :15:19.go forward and do more investigation. That'll came after

:15:20. > :15:25.the moments when you were convicted. You have been sent to jail. When the

:15:26. > :15:29.jury verdict was delivered, and you knew you had been found guilty, how

:15:30. > :15:32.did you react? Absolute shock, nothing you can do. They made their

:15:33. > :15:48.decision, you have to go to prison. So you went to prison, what was it

:15:49. > :15:53.like? There is always that fear, you hear rumours of what prison is like,

:15:54. > :15:59.but I got treated quite fairly. It is hard, locked away for several

:16:00. > :16:04.hours a day, you don't see your family, you don't even get a lot of

:16:05. > :16:10.fresh air, but I found the best thing to do was get yourself a job,

:16:11. > :16:15.keep busy all day long and the time went a little bit quicker. While you

:16:16. > :16:20.were in jail, your wife was doing what she could to get you out, but

:16:21. > :16:24.were you despairing? You were sentenced to eight years in prison,

:16:25. > :16:29.did you think that you might end up serving all of that? You only serve,

:16:30. > :16:35.as far as I'm aware, half, so that meant I had for years to do and we

:16:36. > :16:39.both said before, if it is three to four years, we will just get on with

:16:40. > :16:45.life, go through it, if we can find the evidence to get me out, we will,

:16:46. > :16:50.but we will stay together. That is quite an attitude to take when you

:16:51. > :16:55.have been wrongly accused of something. We made the conscious

:16:56. > :17:00.decision between being found guilty and him being sent to prison, we had

:17:01. > :17:03.one month because they had to do probation reports and a medical

:17:04. > :17:06.report, so we had Christmas together, spent it with some

:17:07. > :17:11.friends, and we all made the conscious decision that we knew it

:17:12. > :17:16.wasn't true, we would do our best to fight it while he was in there, and

:17:17. > :17:19.that is what we did. We were very fortunate to have a legal team that

:17:20. > :17:25.came forward to help us free of charge, and if it had not been for

:17:26. > :17:29.them, we would not be sat here now. They have been amazing, absolutely

:17:30. > :17:32.amazing. They were too modest to admit it but without them we would

:17:33. > :17:37.not be here and Mark, our solicitor, we would not be here without them,

:17:38. > :17:44.they were amazing. Do you worry about what people would think around

:17:45. > :17:49.you? At first, yes, we did. It is out there that we did briefly

:17:50. > :17:53.contemplate a double suicide because we didn't know what people's

:17:54. > :18:00.reactions would be. That is all for, when did you... We thought, no one

:18:01. > :18:04.is going to believe us, this accusation has been made against

:18:05. > :18:09.him, it is horrendous, we both knew it wasn't true, and it crosses your

:18:10. > :18:13.mind. But only for a fleeting second. We decided that if we did

:18:14. > :18:18.that then we were giving in to this person. We have to stay strong, we

:18:19. > :18:22.just made the conscious decision and I said, while you are in now we will

:18:23. > :18:26.do our best to do everything we can to get you out because this isn't

:18:27. > :18:31.right. You said it took you a very short amount of time to actually

:18:32. > :18:37.come up with what you needed to get David out? How did you do it? Burst

:18:38. > :18:40.of all, the plans of the fire station, we were sat round with our

:18:41. > :18:44.friends and he said, why don't you go to the council to see if you can

:18:45. > :18:50.get the plans of one the station was changed? Within ten minutes we had a

:18:51. > :18:56.set of plans which showed the station had not been changed until

:18:57. > :19:00.1991 to how Mr Day had described it. The log books we already had and we

:19:01. > :19:04.put the whole what together in 40 minutes. If the police had spent 40

:19:05. > :19:08.minutes, if we could have had a chance to have told them, they could

:19:09. > :19:11.have most probably put a stop to the whole thing within half an hour to

:19:12. > :19:15.an hour because we can prove it. When you came up with that, how did

:19:16. > :19:20.you feel? I'm assuming you would have felt delighted that you had

:19:21. > :19:25.that, but was there a certain amount of anger as well? A certain amount

:19:26. > :19:28.of anger, because we felt we were beating our head against a brick

:19:29. > :19:33.wall. They were not prepared to listen when we made a complaint. My

:19:34. > :19:38.friend and my cousin, we went to the police to start a complaint

:19:39. > :19:42.procedure. It was not getting anywhere. We felt angry at that

:19:43. > :19:45.point because we could provide the evidence that they were not prepared

:19:46. > :19:53.to go and find. The Crown Prosecution Service said they

:19:54. > :19:58.reviewed the available evidence at the time in the case and decided it

:19:59. > :20:02.was sufficient and in the public interest to prosecute. However, new

:20:03. > :20:05.evidence recently came to light about the credibility of a key

:20:06. > :20:11.witness would fatally undermined the prosecution case.

:20:12. > :20:14.Obviously that was down to you uncovering that? Yes, and when they

:20:15. > :20:19.said they had evidence to prosecute, that makes me angry because there

:20:20. > :20:24.was no evidence from Mr Day committee could provide no evidence.

:20:25. > :20:30.One of the main things that turned it around for us, he said that he

:20:31. > :20:33.was heading for a boxing career, he was going to go professional boxing

:20:34. > :20:40.and we stopped him from having that career. Maybe three weeks ago he did

:20:41. > :20:43.another statement to say he did not have a boxing career, his fights

:20:44. > :20:47.were all illegal, it was all underground and he was never

:20:48. > :20:51.selected for the British Olympics. That was something else that we

:20:52. > :20:54.found out that the police, if they had questioned him again, he lied to

:20:55. > :21:03.the police at the beginning. The period when the allegations were put

:21:04. > :21:08.against you was the time after Jimmy Savile being exposed. Do you think

:21:09. > :21:14.that the climate then may have impacted? Yes, we certainly do,

:21:15. > :21:19.because it was in the press found that the police had said, if

:21:20. > :21:25.somebody comes forward with a claim of six-year-old assault, whether

:21:26. > :21:38.they have got any back-up or not, they were to be believed -- sex

:21:39. > :21:41.assault. It is difficult because allegations need to be taken

:21:42. > :21:45.seriously but in your case the evidence in the end was not their?

:21:46. > :21:53.If the police had taken the time to talk to me, they would have seen

:21:54. > :22:00.that we had evidence to say it could not have happened on... Well, he did

:22:01. > :22:07.not have a date, he gave a two-year timespan, who can prove an alibi for

:22:08. > :22:16.every night or every day for two years? You just cannot do it. It was

:22:17. > :22:22.very difficult. We were lucky that we were able to find the evidence

:22:23. > :22:26.and that it forward and for the proud classic -- Crown Prosecution

:22:27. > :22:30.Service time to say, yes, you are right, you have enough evidence, and

:22:31. > :22:33.that was down to Peter and Rachel, our legal team, working so hard to

:22:34. > :22:37.predict the Crown Prosecution Service again. I know you said,

:22:38. > :22:40.David, that you discuss and felt if you would serve three or four years

:22:41. > :22:45.that you would hunker down and get through that and move on, but you

:22:46. > :22:56.would have forever been a guilty man? Yes. But, where I come from, I

:22:57. > :23:02.have had no adverse comments at all, non-at all, not from people I meet

:23:03. > :23:07.in the town, friends, relations, they have all stuck by me. We have

:23:08. > :23:13.had 100% support from everybody, nothing too blog a tree at all, and

:23:14. > :23:17.that has kept me going -- nothing to Rogge tree at all. It has kept me

:23:18. > :23:22.going to work every day, because I have had to pay the bills, the

:23:23. > :23:25.support has been fantastic. Work colleagues, all the family, it has

:23:26. > :23:29.bought the family closer together, all our friends have been so

:23:30. > :23:33.supportive, we have to thank them, too, because they kept me going,

:23:34. > :23:40.certainly. Before you went through this, would you have thought that

:23:41. > :23:43.you would... Obviously it is not something anybody would contemplate

:23:44. > :23:47.but we never know what challenges might be thrown at us, would you

:23:48. > :23:53.have thought you would be able to whether something like this? With

:23:54. > :23:57.you imagine you could have fought in the way you did? Not at all. Before

:23:58. > :24:02.this happened we were fortunate to be semi retired, had a great life,

:24:03. > :24:05.and when this came along the first thought is absolute despair, then

:24:06. > :24:09.the realisation sets in and you just cannot allow it to go on, you have

:24:10. > :24:15.got to fight. If you don't fight, you give up, and we had to fight.

:24:16. > :24:20.The thing that got us through, we were able to speak most days, if we

:24:21. > :24:24.were able to speak for a ten minute call each day, it kept you going to

:24:25. > :24:29.the next day, and that was good. If there was not a call, you would

:24:30. > :24:33.worry, has he been moved, is their segregation, has he been taken

:24:34. > :24:42.poorly? Briefly spoke each day, it kept us going, and try the day at

:24:43. > :24:45.weekends. Has it changed you? Yes, I'm a little more cautious now. I

:24:46. > :24:51.like to know where I'm going, who I'm going to see, but I'm gradually,

:24:52. > :24:55.that is wearing away now. Now I'm allowed out and about, I'm getting

:24:56. > :24:59.used to going and beating friends whenever I want, and there is no

:25:00. > :25:05.feeling like that. You can go where you want to go. While this was going

:25:06. > :25:10.on, I existed, I wasn't living, but now we can get back to living again,

:25:11. > :25:15.which is really good. How do you feel about your wife? She

:25:16. > :25:20.effectively cleared your name? She's brilliant. I knew she was strong,

:25:21. > :25:25.but I never realised how strong she was. It has made me a lot stronger.

:25:26. > :25:30.I don't trust people any more. It just shows that if you have got to

:25:31. > :25:39.do it, you have got to fight, and I told the police I was never going to

:25:40. > :25:42.give up until David was acquitted and I would keep going. They just

:25:43. > :25:45.said, he is convicted, get over it. How do you feel about that? Are you

:25:46. > :25:48.able to get past that? No, I'm angry at the police, very angry. The

:25:49. > :25:52.treatment I have had from the police has not been very good, but they

:25:53. > :25:55.have got a job to do and I know they are under pressure, but when it

:25:56. > :25:59.comes to people's lives it is not good enough. If I had done my job in

:26:00. > :26:06.the way that they had done their job, I would not be in a job now. It

:26:07. > :26:10.has to be more thorough, they have to be more considerate, they have

:26:11. > :26:18.to... It takes away from the true big tins, you know? -- true victims.

:26:19. > :26:21.Something has got to be done where it happens differently.

:26:22. > :26:24.There is brief statement from Dorset Police:

:26:25. > :26:27."Dorset Police takes any allegations of sexual abuse very seriously

:26:28. > :26:29.and conducted a thorough investigation in this case.

:26:30. > :26:31.The findings of the investigation were passed to the CPS,

:26:32. > :26:49.Linda has tweeted to say, how can a court convicts with no physical

:26:50. > :26:53.evidence? Another says, it is a disgrace that

:26:54. > :26:59.it was down to his wife to present the to clear her husband.

:27:00. > :27:03.How do you move forward? Do you now just put this behind you? We wanted

:27:04. > :27:09.to get the story out there because we don't want this to happen to

:27:10. > :27:13.someone else because it is so easy, I could turn round and say, that man

:27:14. > :27:16.raped me 20 years ago, I will go to the police, they will take a

:27:17. > :27:21.statement from me, from that person, and you can end up in prison. There

:27:22. > :27:25.has got to be more to it. We just wanted out there to help other

:27:26. > :27:30.people so it doesn't happen to anybody else and hopefully if we can

:27:31. > :27:35.get that message across, we want to then get back to a normal life. But,

:27:36. > :27:39.you know, if we can help people then we want to do that, because we feel

:27:40. > :27:44.so strongly about it. Ross has tweeted, very sad for this

:27:45. > :27:48.blog, police and CPS need to review how they approach this, police

:27:49. > :27:51.should take all evidence given. Another, when the CPS reviewed

:27:52. > :27:56.available evidence they mean only prosecution lies and false witness

:27:57. > :28:00.statements, no defence evidence. David, you will not get back that

:28:01. > :28:08.time that you spent in prison, you won't get back that time that you

:28:09. > :28:12.spent apart. But, I guess, from what you are saying, you have both

:28:13. > :28:17.changed in ways that you can take forward in a positive way? We will

:28:18. > :28:22.do our best to get that time back. We are going to have quality time

:28:23. > :28:27.together now. Spend it with family and friends that have supported us.

:28:28. > :28:31.We can't thank the legal team enough, they are all very modest and

:28:32. > :28:36.say it is not just down to them, but, for me, they have a special

:28:37. > :28:40.place in our lives because... We have got a lot of new best friends

:28:41. > :28:46.now, and all public, a lot of people to be grateful for. Without them, we

:28:47. > :28:50.wouldn't be here. Thank you both very much for coming in.

:28:51. > :28:53.And thank you for your comments, as well.

:28:54. > :28:57.Let me bring you an update on the situation in France, where we were

:28:58. > :29:11.telling you that several people have been taken hostage in a church near

:29:12. > :29:15.Rouen, the situation was that two people took a priest, a nun, and

:29:16. > :29:22.some congregation members hostage at that church, in Normandy. We

:29:23. > :29:26.understand that several people have been injured, there are possibly

:29:27. > :29:33.even reports that somebody has been killed in that hostagetaking, but we

:29:34. > :29:37.have heard from the police that the hostage-takers have been

:29:38. > :29:41.neutralised, that is the word that they are using. So we will stay

:29:42. > :29:43.across those reports and keep you updated when we can bring you more

:29:44. > :29:44.on that. As a legal action is launched

:29:45. > :29:52.to overturn the Labour Party's decision to guarantee Jeremy Corbyn

:29:53. > :29:55.a place on the leadership ballot, we'll be live at the High Court

:29:56. > :29:58.with our political guru Norman And retail giant Amazon is to start

:29:59. > :30:03.testing drones to drop off parcels That's a summary of the latest news,

:30:04. > :30:23.join me for BBC Newsroom It is being reported a priest has

:30:24. > :30:35.been killed after two men armed with knives took people hostage in

:30:36. > :30:42.southern France. They were held in the church just outside Rouen. The

:30:43. > :30:44.people enter the church as a mass was taking place.

:30:45. > :30:47.At least 19 people have been killed and 20 injured, many seriously,

:30:48. > :30:50.in a knife attack at a care home in Japan.

:30:51. > :30:52.It happened at a centre for people with learning difficulties

:30:53. > :30:55.in the city of Sagamihara, 25 miles west of Tokyo.

:30:56. > :30:57.A 26-year-old man, who used to work at the home,

:30:58. > :31:05.The man Hilary Clinton beat to become presidential candidate

:31:06. > :31:08.for the Democrats has forcefully endorsed her in a speech

:31:09. > :31:11.Bernie Sanders urged his supporters to unite behind his former rival,

:31:12. > :31:13.who will run against republican Donald Trump

:31:14. > :31:17.His fans booed and jeered throughout the event at those who expressed

:31:18. > :31:30.The Bavarian government will discuss measures to strengthen its police

:31:31. > :31:32.force after recent attacks have raised questions over Germany's

:31:33. > :31:37.On Sunday evening a Syrian man set off a bomb outside a music

:31:38. > :31:38.festival in southern Germany, killing himself and wounding

:31:39. > :31:42.It follows other attacks across the country in which ten

:31:43. > :31:44.people have been killed and more injured in separate gun,

:31:45. > :31:56.O2 customer data is being sold by criminals on the dark net,

:31:57. > :31:59.a hidden part of the internet often used for illegal activity.

:32:00. > :32:01.The data for sale includes users' phone numbers, emails,

:32:02. > :32:04.It's highly likely a result of 'credential stuffing'

:32:05. > :32:06.where stolen information is used to log into personal accounts

:32:07. > :32:22.The battle over the Labour leadership enters the courts this

:32:23. > :32:24.morning with a legal challenge against the Labour Party

:32:25. > :32:26.brought by party donor and former MP, Michael Foster.

:32:27. > :32:28.He is contesting the decision by the party's national executive

:32:29. > :32:30.that Jeremy Corbyn should automatically stand

:32:31. > :32:32.in the leadership contest without having to secure nominations

:32:33. > :32:49.The first solar-powered round the world flight

:32:50. > :32:53.The aircraft, Solar Impulse Two, landed in Abu Dhabi 16 months

:32:54. > :32:56.Pilot Bertrand Piccard brought it down safely in the early

:32:57. > :32:59.hours of this morning, marking the end of an epic

:33:00. > :33:02.The plane is powered by more than 17,000 solar cells,

:33:03. > :33:13.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:33:14. > :33:29.We are hearing the French president Francois Hollande is heading to that

:33:30. > :33:35.church in Normandy where two hostage-takers took several people

:33:36. > :33:43.hostage. It is a place near to the city of Rouen. The latest reports

:33:44. > :33:47.are that different security officials say police are killed two

:33:48. > :33:52.attackers using knives to take hostage in that church. The

:33:53. > :33:54.officials saying the identity of the attacker, and the motive for the

:33:55. > :34:21.attack are unclear. It happened in Saint-Etienne du-Rouvray. Near to

:34:22. > :34:26.Rouen. We are hearing Francois Hollande is heading there. This

:34:27. > :34:36.comes after the Bastille day attack in Nice. Several attacks claimed by

:34:37. > :34:43.the Islamic state group. This church in Normandy, we understand a priest

:34:44. > :34:48.two nuns and several members of the congregation were taken hostage. We

:34:49. > :34:52.understand the situation is over, reports that the two hostage-takers

:34:53. > :35:00.have been killed by security services. We will get the latest

:35:01. > :35:05.from our correspondents on the situation there shortly. For now,

:35:06. > :35:14.let's break away and catch up with the sport.

:35:15. > :35:16.Russian athletes have begun arriving in Rio,

:35:17. > :35:19.still unsure whether they will be able to compete in the games,

:35:20. > :35:20.after the IOC said International Federations must decide

:35:21. > :35:22.whether to allow Russian participants.

:35:23. > :35:25.So far Russia have only been cleared to compete in Archery,

:35:26. > :35:28.tennis, Equestrian and volleyball events, with at least 20 other

:35:29. > :35:31.Irish Jockey JT Mcnamara has was paralysed after a fall

:35:32. > :35:34.at the 2013 Cheltenham Festival, has died at the age of 41.

:35:35. > :35:36.Mcnamara was a leading amateur rider with over 600 winners

:35:37. > :35:40.He fractured two vertebrae in his neck when he fell

:35:41. > :35:43.at the first fence at the Festival three years ago.

:35:44. > :35:46.It was as close to perfect as you can get for England's

:35:47. > :35:49.cricketers who won the second test at Old Trafford to level

:35:50. > :35:56.Apart from a nasty looking injury to Ben Stokes, it was a flawless

:35:57. > :35:58.performance as they won by a huge 330 runs.

:35:59. > :36:00.Thanks in part to impressive batting displays from Joe Root

:36:01. > :36:08.If the new England manager Sam Allardyce has a tough job

:36:09. > :36:11.on his hands, he certainly didn't look like a man who does, as he cut

:36:12. > :36:14.a relaxed figure facing the media for the first time yesterday.

:36:15. > :36:16.He promised to build a strong team ethic,

:36:17. > :36:19.as he prepares for his first game in charge, a World Cup qualifier

:36:20. > :36:23.The battle within the Labour Party rages on and the lengths that people

:36:24. > :36:26.are prepared to go to now to stop Jeremy Corbyn being leader

:36:27. > :36:30.Today it's reached court, as one of the party's major donors

:36:31. > :36:32.tries to stop Jeremy Corbyn from being automatically allowed

:36:33. > :36:36.Michael Foster has handed large sums to the party,

:36:37. > :36:39.and has now gone to the High Court to fight the decision to let

:36:40. > :36:41.the Labour leader run without the support of his MPs.

:36:42. > :36:44.Our political guru Norman Smith is at the High Court for us this

:36:45. > :36:57.Silas the arguments being put forward at the High Court? -- talus.

:36:58. > :37:02.I have just come out of court 76, out of the bowels of the building.

:37:03. > :37:09.No Jeremy Corbyn, but around a dozen legal eagles poring over the Labour

:37:10. > :37:13.Party rule book. The issue is whether Jeremy Corbyn should be

:37:14. > :37:18.allowed onto the ballot automatically for the Labour

:37:19. > :37:26.leadership. Or like the other contenders he has to get the backing

:37:27. > :37:30.of 20% of Labour MPs and MEPs. Often, when politicians or

:37:31. > :37:36.representatives go to court it is a lot less about the law, an awful lot

:37:37. > :37:40.about raw politics. You kind of thing that is what is going on here.

:37:41. > :37:48.Those challenging Mr Corbyn in the court calculates that if he has to

:37:49. > :37:53.get the nomination of 51 MPs and MEPs he won't be able to do it is up

:37:54. > :38:00.he won't be able to get on the ballot paper, knocked out of the

:38:01. > :38:04.leadership race before it had begun. What do those appealing for the

:38:05. > :38:08.court to force Mr Corbyn to get the nomination say? If you look at the

:38:09. > :38:13.rule book, it is clear, anyone challenging for the leadership has

:38:14. > :38:20.to get 20% nominations. Pointing back to the example of Neal Kinnock

:38:21. > :38:23.in 1988, challenged for the leadership from he did get the

:38:24. > :38:29.nominations. Not clear whether he did that to show the support amongst

:38:30. > :38:38.MPs, or forced to do so by the rule book. Mr Corbyn's team say the law

:38:39. > :38:41.but is not so clear. In fact it only suggests those challenging the

:38:42. > :38:48.leaders need 51 nominations, more than that, they say it would be

:38:49. > :38:52.unfair, beyond the natural justice if the leader was not able to defend

:38:53. > :38:57.themselves. Crucially they point to the ruling by the party's National

:38:58. > :39:03.executive committee, the governing body of the Labour Party, last week

:39:04. > :39:09.ruling in Mr Corbyn's favour. What can we expect? We will not get a

:39:10. > :39:15.clear decision to day, the judge may want time to reflect on it. A couple

:39:16. > :39:23.of thoughts. Judges are wary of getting involved in political

:39:24. > :39:26.disputes. Talking to lawyers, often when there is something like the

:39:27. > :39:31.Labour Party, with its own rules governing body, they prefer to let

:39:32. > :39:36.the party make its own decision about what complies with the rules

:39:37. > :39:41.and what does not what does it mean? Those challenging Mr Corbyn, I

:39:42. > :39:42.suspect, have an uphill legal tussle.

:39:43. > :39:44.The party has arguably never been more divided,

:39:45. > :39:48.between those who want Mr Corbyn in the top job, and those who don't.

:39:49. > :39:52.On one front it's a battle between the big party donors -

:39:53. > :39:59.and the ?3 party members who signed up to vote him in.

:40:00. > :40:07.Let's speak to Dr Assem Allam, who is a leading donor to the party

:40:08. > :40:10.and the owner of Hull City Football Club, who has called for the party's

:40:11. > :40:14.He gave the party half a million pounds in 2015 to help fight

:40:15. > :40:18.We're also joined by one of the party's largest

:40:19. > :40:20.donor's John Mills And here are two members of Momentum -

:40:21. > :40:23.the part of the Labour Party which supports Jeremy Corbyn -

:40:24. > :40:36.Thank you very much. When the row over who gets to be on the ballot

:40:37. > :40:46.paper goes to the highest court, pretty horrendous for a party? Yes.

:40:47. > :40:53.The party, if they cannot make up their own rules, how can they ruled

:40:54. > :40:58.Great Britain? If they cannot rule the party. Serve story. They had to

:40:59. > :41:03.go to the courts, to help with the rules. Does it mean, if they win the

:41:04. > :41:15.election next time, which is a possibility. Does it mean that the

:41:16. > :41:21.government, it will have to go to the United Nations, or a High Court?

:41:22. > :41:26.Sad story. Not unexpected, when you have what we have in the Labour

:41:27. > :41:32.Party. A damning assessment of how you see the Labour Party right now.

:41:33. > :41:38.Not fit to govern the party. Do you totally withdraw your support for

:41:39. > :41:47.Labour? Yes, as I said before, I am not in the habit of backing lame

:41:48. > :41:53.horses. Would anything persuade you to start donating to Labour against?

:41:54. > :42:04.You need a Labour Party to start again. As we had it before, during

:42:05. > :42:10.Harold Wilson, Tony Blair, so one. We had a successful Labour Party

:42:11. > :42:17.before. Recently under Tony Blair, right wing, winning an election

:42:18. > :42:21.three times. What is wrong with the? I believe Churchill had a saying, it

:42:22. > :42:31.is insane you do the same thing twice. And expect different results.

:42:32. > :42:45.Here you have left wing failing badly, Michael foot, Neil Kinnock, I

:42:46. > :42:49.can name others. -- Michael Foot. The more right wing, Harold Wilson,

:42:50. > :42:56.Tony Blair, three times. Why have we decided to move? I said this to Ed

:42:57. > :43:03.Miliband, why are you moving left? It badly failed. Let's will not

:43:04. > :43:13.govern. I wish the Labour Party would wake up. They need to be a

:43:14. > :43:21.proper party to rule all be in opposition. Let them wake up. For

:43:22. > :43:27.God's say. Stay with us, I want to get reaction to what you're saying,

:43:28. > :43:31.Tim Johnson. Going so far left is not the way to rule the country and

:43:32. > :43:36.women election is not he seems to say that Jeremy Corbyn and John

:43:37. > :43:42.McDonald cannot govern the Labour Party, but he cannot govern his own

:43:43. > :43:46.football club. His own fans having said protest about his leadership.

:43:47. > :43:51.In terms of labour being right wing or left wing, you don't double the

:43:52. > :43:55.membership within the space of the year, you don't win all your

:43:56. > :44:00.by-elections, winning four may or elections, forcing 22 government

:44:01. > :44:06.U-turn city cannot govern your party. The idea Tony Blair was a

:44:07. > :44:11.success story, he was electoral success story, but we lost 3 million

:44:12. > :44:16.Labour voters, victors of first past the post, he was able to get

:44:17. > :44:19.elected, we saw Labour governments. He seems to think a Labour

:44:20. > :44:25.government under any circumstances is a good idea. Not a good idea to

:44:26. > :44:29.have a centrist Tory party in government, as opposed to an actual

:44:30. > :44:33.Labour Party. If you want to talk about the history of the Labour

:44:34. > :44:42.Party, that is what we need. The question for the Labour Party, who

:44:43. > :44:46.is more in June, Momentum, or people like MEPs and MEPs not backing

:44:47. > :44:55.Jeremy Corbyn? Who is most in tune with public opinion? Jeremy. Why use

:44:56. > :45:02.soap convince? 183,000 members in a couple of days signing up to vote

:45:03. > :45:08.for Germany. Last time, when he was voted, less than a year ago, he was

:45:09. > :45:15.voted in, people signed up to support him. How do you see it?

:45:16. > :45:20.I have been involved with the Labour Party as a supporter for 50 years,

:45:21. > :45:24.it goes through good times and bad times. It is depressing to see the

:45:25. > :45:30.situation in the Labour Party is in at the moment, I don't see a clear

:45:31. > :45:34.way ahead. I'm not sure legal action in the court is the best way to

:45:35. > :45:38.solve this problem. Whether Jeremy Corbyn should be on the ballot or

:45:39. > :45:42.not is a political decision, not a legal decision, and I have to say

:45:43. > :45:46.that if he was kept off the ballot this would be regarded as being a

:45:47. > :45:51.real betrayal by large numbers of members of the Labour Party and I

:45:52. > :45:55.would not support that happening. What do you see happening? Do you

:45:56. > :46:00.think the party will spit? Do you want the party to split? I certainly

:46:01. > :46:05.don't because if it does we will finish up with two weakened

:46:06. > :46:11.left-wing parties and just a Conservative Government forever and

:46:12. > :46:14.a day. They're right enormous problems about splitting the Labour

:46:15. > :46:18.Party, who would own the brand, who would be in charge of the

:46:19. > :46:26.liabilities and assets and the organisation in the country? Who is

:46:27. > :46:30.going to get involved in it? I think the best thing to do really is for

:46:31. > :46:37.the MPs to just accept the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is going to be elected

:46:38. > :46:40.and carry on until we see whether the Labour Party can shake it sucked

:46:41. > :46:44.into a position where it is more electable and have policies which

:46:45. > :46:48.appeal to the country. Will you donate to the Labour Party with

:46:49. > :46:51.Jeremy Corbyn as leader? You have got a situation where you donated in

:46:52. > :46:55.the past and it means dividends from the shares you have given to the

:46:56. > :47:00.party keep giving returns to the Labour Party but you have not chosen

:47:01. > :47:05.to keep effectively giving money under Jeremy Corbyn? The arrangement

:47:06. > :47:08.I have got is that the shares to the Labour Party paid dividends which go

:47:09. > :47:13.to the Labour Party automatically. If the parties but I'm not sure what

:47:14. > :47:18.the situation would be. I have supported the Labour Party since

:47:19. > :47:23.making that arrangement, for example I supported Sadiq Khan becoming

:47:24. > :47:26.Mayor of London, so I'm not against some financial support for the

:47:27. > :47:31.Labour Party but it would be nicer if the Labour Party was in better

:47:32. > :47:36.shape. The Labour Party is spit, there is a division, isn't there,

:47:37. > :47:42.clearly, in the way different people want to see the party going. Do you

:47:43. > :47:47.two think the party should split? Are those two sides reconcilable? I

:47:48. > :47:51.don't think they should split, I think they can be reconciled. It is

:47:52. > :47:59.going to take a lot of work but it needs to come together and the MPs

:48:00. > :48:03.that are not representing the people but voted them in need to come into

:48:04. > :48:07.line. They need to get behind Jeremy and at least give him a chance. They

:48:08. > :48:14.have not given him the chance since he has been there, they have often

:48:15. > :48:24.talked behind his back, gone behind him... Let's see what Tim thinks,

:48:25. > :48:28.very quickly. I agree, I don't think the Labour Party should split but no

:48:29. > :48:32.doubt if the PLP don't come onside and supports Jeremy, support the

:48:33. > :48:35.members who are supporting Jeromy and whose support is increasing the

:48:36. > :48:38.Jeremy, they make up the vast majority of the Labour Party, I

:48:39. > :48:43.think it will be difficult for the Labour Party not as bit, and that is

:48:44. > :48:46.entirely the responsibility of the PLP, not the responsibility of

:48:47. > :48:48.Jeremy or the members. Thank you all very much. Let's go

:48:49. > :49:03.back to the breaking story from northern France, where it is

:49:04. > :49:05.reported a priest has been killed after two men armed with knives took

:49:06. > :49:07.several people hostage in a church. A police source has said the

:49:08. > :49:10.hostage-takers have now been neutralised. Let's talk to a

:49:11. > :49:13.journalist in Paris. What are you hearing? The latest information is

:49:14. > :49:20.that the two hostage-takers have been neutralised, a euphemism for

:49:21. > :49:24.killed, allegedly also a police officer wounded during the

:49:25. > :49:27.operation. Inside the church there, one person killed, one of the

:49:28. > :49:33.hostages, probably the priest, and another person, very seriously

:49:34. > :49:39.injured, his life is currently in danger. At the moment when the

:49:40. > :49:45.hostages were taken there were five or six people in the church, the

:49:46. > :49:48.priest, two nuns and two or three worshippers. One of the nuns was

:49:49. > :49:54.able to escape from the church and alert police, and the police arrived

:49:55. > :50:00.very quickly on the site and now French media are saying the two

:50:01. > :50:06.hostage-takers entered the church shouting Daesh, the French word for

:50:07. > :50:12.IS, the so-called Islamic State, and one of the hostage-takers was

:50:13. > :50:15.wearing a traditional Tunisian hat, so this could indicate that this is

:50:16. > :50:20.another terrorist attack on French soil. And it is an indication of

:50:21. > :50:24.exactly how seriously it is being taken at the highest levels by the

:50:25. > :50:29.fact that the French president is heading to the church? Yes, the home

:50:30. > :50:32.minister and French President Francois Hollande are on their way

:50:33. > :50:40.to the site near Rouen, about 1.5 hours west of Paris, and also the

:50:41. > :50:46.police just said that the situation will be investigated as a terrorist

:50:47. > :50:51.attack, so that shows that it is being considered as a new terrorist

:50:52. > :50:56.attack, indeed. France has been on a state of emergency since the attacks

:50:57. > :51:01.last November. What does that mean in terms of security? When you look

:51:02. > :51:05.at a situation like this, a little church in a little town in the north

:51:06. > :51:13.of France, what sort of protection is their? It is almost impossible to

:51:14. > :51:19.protect these kinds of sites. The French police and also the Army have

:51:20. > :51:24.been on high alert since the January attack at Charlie Hebdo and be

:51:25. > :51:29.kosher supermarket in Paris in 2015. Since November the country is under

:51:30. > :51:33.a state of emergency, which has been extended for another six months

:51:34. > :51:44.following the attacks in Nice. It shows how difficult it is to prevent

:51:45. > :51:46.such kinds of attacks. There are tens of thousands of police officers

:51:47. > :51:53.and soldiers on the streets in France already for the last 1.5

:51:54. > :51:57.years and there are still many terrorist attacks, so it is a real

:51:58. > :52:01.problem for the French government, the French government is under

:52:02. > :52:08.serious criticism because there is a fight now between the authorities in

:52:09. > :52:11.Nice, the local authorities, and the national Government. They are saying

:52:12. > :52:17.that the national Government has not done enough to protect the city and

:52:18. > :52:20.of course this event this morning in Normandy shows again how difficult

:52:21. > :52:22.it is to really guarantee security in the country. Then the very much

:52:23. > :52:32.for joining us. -- thank you. O2 customer data is being sold

:52:33. > :52:35.by criminals on the dark net, an investigation by this

:52:36. > :52:37.programme has found. The dark net is a hidden part

:52:38. > :52:40.of the internet often used Let's bring back in Graham Cluley,

:52:41. > :52:52.who's a security expert - he's already been talking to us

:52:53. > :52:57.about credential Remind us what credential stuffing

:52:58. > :53:02.is? It is when hackers steal your username and password from one

:53:03. > :53:06.website and use that to break into another website where there might be

:53:07. > :53:10.more information about you and they can monetise that information better

:53:11. > :53:14.because they know your mobile phone number or other information, your

:53:15. > :53:19.full name, for instance. People are asking lots of questions about how

:53:20. > :53:24.to protect themselves from that. Joe has e-mailed, how do I find a

:53:25. > :53:27.password manager? What is a password manager something that enables you

:53:28. > :53:32.to have lots of passwords without remembering them? It is a programme

:53:33. > :53:35.on your computer that remembers your passwords for you but stores them

:53:36. > :53:40.securely and encrypted and are protected by one master password

:53:41. > :53:44.which you remember, make sure that is a complicated password which you

:53:45. > :53:47.remember, and it means you don't have to remember individual

:53:48. > :53:52.passwords. You can download some password managers for three of the

:53:53. > :53:57.Internet, others you can pay a monthly or annual subscription for.

:53:58. > :54:01.Is it better to pay? Generally, when it comes to security and privacy

:54:02. > :54:05.online, I prefer to pay rather than get her service for free because I

:54:06. > :54:08.know they are working for me rather than trying to monetise themselves

:54:09. > :54:14.at some other way. There are good open source password managers as

:54:15. > :54:18.well which are free, but some good commercial ones, look at the

:54:19. > :54:21.Independent reviews to find one which is recommended.

:54:22. > :54:27.Stuart has tweeted to say, people need to know about proxy servers and

:54:28. > :54:30.virtual machines. A proxy is when you are using, for instance, your

:54:31. > :54:34.Wi-Fi at a coffee shop, for instance, you go to a hotel lobby

:54:35. > :54:40.and use the Internet there. You have to be careful because there could be

:54:41. > :54:43.a hacker in the facility who is intercepting your communication to

:54:44. > :54:47.the Internet and grabbing your password and private information.

:54:48. > :54:50.Does that mean that, if you are in that environment, someone can leap

:54:51. > :54:54.straight in and don't need a password? They can grab the

:54:55. > :54:59.information as it is sent from your laptop or phone to the Internet

:55:00. > :55:04.because you are using free Wi-Fi, so the recommendation is you use a

:55:05. > :55:13.piece of software called a VPN, I am sorry for the technobabble, but what

:55:14. > :55:15.it does is encrypt your information, send it to another computer which is

:55:16. > :55:19.safe on the Internet, so the communication across the free

:55:20. > :55:23.hotspot Wi-Fi is sent down a tunnel which the hackers cannot crack into.

:55:24. > :55:27.You can get a VPN on the Internet, look at the reviews, there are good

:55:28. > :55:31.ones you can put on your phone and laptop as well. One tweet, why

:55:32. > :55:36.aren't people using junk e-mail accounts for online services instead

:55:37. > :55:40.of real e-mail accounts? You can use a junk e-mail account to sign up for

:55:41. > :55:43.these companies but the problem is, every now and then, the companies

:55:44. > :55:52.want to contact you, and would you be checking all of those e-mail

:55:53. > :55:54.addresses to see if they contact you? But does it give you better

:55:55. > :55:57.protection? If you don't use your regular e-mail address for a

:55:58. > :56:00.particular site, they are not going to be able to know what your real

:56:01. > :56:03.e-mail address is, so there is some advantage. It may be difficult

:56:04. > :56:09.maintaining lots of different accounts. One tweet, why don't you

:56:10. > :56:13.tell us how to set up 2-step verification for our e-mail address?

:56:14. > :56:20.It varies depending on the provider, depending on whether you use Gmail,

:56:21. > :56:24.Yahoo, other services, Microsoft, for instance, but there are ways to

:56:25. > :56:29.do it. I recommended, my blog has a guide for how to enable that kind of

:56:30. > :56:34.protection on those services. It is fairly simple to follow the process,

:56:35. > :56:37.you go to certain places on those websites to enable the service and

:56:38. > :56:43.it really does protect you much, much better.

:56:44. > :56:49.One test, my husband's computer has been hacked, does it mean they have

:56:50. > :56:52.stolen his personal details? She says he thought they were from

:56:53. > :56:57.Microsoft, so it sounds like he was tricked by someone. We see this a

:56:58. > :57:00.lot, tech support scam. Once the hackers have your phone number, they

:57:01. > :57:05.might call you claiming to be Microsoft or a company like that,

:57:06. > :57:10.saying, we have identified a virus on your computer and we will clean

:57:11. > :57:13.it up for you. You think, this is marvellous, someone is helping me

:57:14. > :57:18.with my security! Then they lead you through a process whereby you give

:57:19. > :57:22.them access to your computer remotely and they can install

:57:23. > :57:24.malicious software and steal information. Whether your

:57:25. > :57:27.correspondent has had their information stolen, hard to say but

:57:28. > :57:31.chances are if they have hacked it they could have grabbed data. People

:57:32. > :57:37.don't always know when information has been stolen or what it will be

:57:38. > :57:41.used for? If the Mona Lisa was stolen, it is obvious because there

:57:42. > :57:45.is a gap on the wall. When it is data, it is just being copied, it is

:57:46. > :57:53.hard to know that anything has disappeared.

:57:54. > :57:55.Thank you very much, lots of good advice.

:57:56. > :57:58.Let's just go back to northern France and the hostagetaking at a

:57:59. > :58:03.church. The situation is now over, we understand, with two

:58:04. > :58:09.hostage-takers being killed by the security officials. We understand

:58:10. > :58:18.one of the hostages was killed by the attackers. At this stage, the

:58:19. > :58:22.identities of the attackers and motive for the attack are not clear

:58:23. > :58:25.but the French president, Francois Hollande, and the interior minister

:58:26. > :58:29.are heading to Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, where it

:58:30. > :58:31.happened. More coming up at 11am on BBC newsroom live. Thank you for

:58:32. > :58:32.your company, You're coming across as, frankly,

:58:33. > :58:37.ridiculous. I'm flabbergasted by that.

:58:38. > :58:40.Will they get burnt... You have done an appalling job of

:58:41. > :58:43.selling them online. Erm... I'm... We're... We're...

:58:44. > :58:46.No, hang on. Sorry. I don't think I could work with you.

:58:47. > :58:49.Have you ever watched Dragons' Den? ..or will they set the

:58:50. > :58:51.world on fire?